Full Show Podcast: 11 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather duper Cy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand, Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
They'd be afternoon, Welcome to the show. So Adrian or
packed a tanti because the government wouldn't give the Reserve
Bank more money. We're going to speak to former staff
and Michael Rodell after five more bad stats unfortunately for
ordering a tamitiki. Will have a chat to the Independent
Children's Monitor and a luxury realistic agent reckon, there is
heaps of money waiting to come into the country if
we just lift that ban on foreign buyers.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Ever, duper Cy Ellen, I'll tell.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You who's in the country right now. It's a chap
called Sir Nick Gibb. Now he's here touring schools with
our Education Minister Erica Stanford at the moment. And Eric
has got him here because he is the guy who
was credited with turning around educational achievement amongst kids in
the UK. Sir Nick was in the David Cameron Tory
government when they came into office in twenty ten. Their

(01:01):
education system was a little bit like ours is right now,
the stats had fallen. The kids were falling behind on
the pis are tables. They were doing pretty badly with
literacy and maths, somewhere around the bottom middle of the
pack something like that. But they turned it around. The
UK is now fourth in the world for reading, eleventh
in the world for mathematics. How pretty much exactly the

(01:21):
same way that many of us learned. They just went
back to that phonics learning the basics explicitly, the learning
being taught by the teacher rather than being student led,
expectations set for students. And this is exactly what Eric Stanford,
you'll be happy to hear, is doing right here at
the minute. We've got structured literacy, and we've got structured maths.

(01:42):
We've got an hour a day of reading, writing and maths,
all that kind of stuff, expectations around kids' phones and
so on. And we need all of this because every
single time we do a significant test in our kids,
we are shocked as a country, aren't we. Last year's
NCA tests were a shoker. Only fifty five percent of
teenagers past numerousy, only sixty six percent past writing and

(02:03):
only seventy percent past reading. Now, I asked this on
the show The other day when we were talking about
those stupid giant modern learning barn style classrooms that the
Education Ministry forced on schools for years. I'll ask it again,
we know what works. Why did we stop doing it?
Why did we try other stuff? It was clearly never
going to work. Thank goodness for people like Sir Nick

(02:26):
Gibb and Erica Stanford for bringing back common sense at school.
And here's hoping that she is as successful as he.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Was, Heather Doula.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And by the way, we're going to have a chat
to him after half past six later on in the show.
Nine two nine two is the text number. Now it's
the first day of field days today and thank god
for the farmers pulling us out of recession. Ground Swell
is using today to ramp up their campaign for New
Zealand to quit the Paris Climate Accord. Bryce Mackenzie's Groundswell's
co founder and with us. Now, hey Bryce good Drew,

(02:55):
are you very well? Thank you mate? Why should we quit.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
It simply because it's costing the country a lot of
money and it's costing it a lot of farming production.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Here that.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
We all know that because of these agreements, that a
lot of our good farm land's getting planted out out
in trees and that's not good for New Zealand or
food production going forward.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, now I tend to agree with you for different reasons.
I agree with you that we should pull out of this,
but I don't think we are going to pull out
of it? Are we until others pull out of it first?
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, look, there is certainly a change in the wind,
I think, and I think Winston is certainly going to
look at it, and it's going to be more of
an election issue, I think, than anything else. And we
all know that Winston's pretty a student picking where the
people are going, and.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
What is he telling you this? Behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
He has mentioned that their Paris agreement needs to be
relocked at, so that could be pretty open ended that
at least he's open to re looking at it.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Did he say re look that? Because relooked at is
not the same as just pulling out all together, which
is what we need to do, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yes, I know we do.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
We don't need to do.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
However, it's a concession for a start that it needs
something done, and I guess we've just got to use
that as a bit of a leverage.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bricelessen But just for politics, we can't actually be the
first to pull out because we are so reliant on
people buying our stuff and it would just look terrible
if we if we were accused of being climate deniers
as a country. So we can't be amongst the first
to pull out, can we? We sort of have to
wait for the big guys to go first.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, of course USA is pulled out of it.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, that's not a good look for them because it's
the Orange guy doing it. So don't we have to wait?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (04:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, but China that doesn't have to do anything till
twenty fifty Yes, so they're not doing anything. So and
then we've got India who is considered to be a
developing nation so they don't have to do anything. Russia
is not doing it. Yeah, that's right, and Russia not
doing anything. So I think that's about sixty and measures.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I follow your logic and I agree with you, But
what I'm saying to you is we cannot be amongst
the first, even though you will be proven right in
the end when this whole charade falls apart, and by
twenty fifty eight, nothing going on here. You will be right,
Bryce McKenzie. But we cannot be amongst the first to
pull out, can we?

Speaker 8 (05:19):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
And I think that's where it is going, that that
nobody wants to be first, and it's going to be
like a deck of cards because of likes of Argentina,
Onne or two others go. Then I think it'll all
start to call it.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So what makes you think Argentina will be amongst the first.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Well, they've already made a few sounds that that's the
way they're going, and we all know that they tend
to be pretty cobbery with the USA just now, so
there'll be a bit of pressure coming on.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, So then here's my here's the next thing. If
we all, if those of us who are smart enough
to see what's coming, can see what's coming, then shouldn't
And we all know that we can't be amongst the
first just for political reasons to pull out, Then should
farmers right now acting as if the Paras accord is over?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Ooh gee, I guess farmers will do that to some
extent anyway, Heather. Just how far they can push that,
I'm not too sure because the farmers really don't get
a lot of say in this because mainly the companies
that they farmers deal with that are involved in this,
so farmers themselves don't get a lot of say.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Interesting, Hey, is it a good vibe there today?

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, actually it is a good vibe.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
There's a lot of people around, Yes, brilliant. And I
think there'll even be some buying here because maybe not
big ticket items yet, but who knows. There's certainly been
a good season for most sheep and bee farmers and
the dairy farmers, so there will be a little bit
of money around.

Speaker 9 (06:47):
I think.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. You go and enjoy yourself. Brice appreciated.
Bryce mackenzie Ground's well co founder. Listen, if you haven't
followed quite why if you're not following the logic as
to why the Paras accord is basically dead and why
farmer should act like it's not happening. I'll run you
through it, but we'll get to it later on in
the program. Just quickly sparing her thought on the subject
of climate. For poor Greta Greta t Greta. When they

(07:11):
deported her, the Israelis just chucked her on a plane.
They didn't they don't care about her. Ideology and her
commitments to not fly and her desire to be on
a yacht, you know, paddled with a little bit, you know,
like they weren't going to go for that. They were like, mate,
you're out of here on a plane. This is the
only flight as far as we know, because we don't
know what she was doing and as doing as a

(07:31):
young person. But in twenty nineteen she said no more
planes for her. So this will be the first time,
if she is true to her word, this will be
the first time that she has been on a plane
in six years. And you know what, it looked like.
It was a crap flight. They chucked her in economiyation.
I chucked her straight in economy, like at least she
got the ale seat, although arguably that's the sucky seat.

(07:51):
I mean, I don't know how you feel about it,
but you know, some people like to be by the
window because then that out of the way of the
old trolley's bashing your elbows. She was in the aisle seat,
so I'd say it's it's double it's double sucky. So
she's an economy. She's in the aisle seat, and they've
got her right at the back, right up against the toilet,
so she can't even recline. So not only is she

(08:12):
helping to destroy the climate while on this flight, but
she can't even lie back and relax while she destroys
the climate. So poor gretta quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
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Speaker 2 (08:29):
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Speaker 10 (08:31):
It mea does Heather to plus the Allen?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
You've got Ryan Fox on tonight?

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Yeah, Ryan Fox, who's just had the most wild few weeks.
I don't think he's even had a chance to breathe.
I really don't. It's so much going on. I've got
to win this tournament to get into the next major.
Hop I'll just do that by chipping it off. The
green gets in there, it does reasonably well, comes back,
It's got another tournament you win that. He clips his

(08:56):
ticket for endless money and sponsorship and more entries through
the PGA so we can secure the future for himself
and his family. What does he do plays what he
said was the best job he's ever played in golf.
When he stuck that ridiculous tone and something met a
three wood right on the side of the green over
water and then walks off with the prize and it

(09:19):
was like such a big playoff. He did so well.
Now he's going because he's off to Oakland, which is
arguably the monster of all golf courses for the US
open to see if he has.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
He and his family relocated to the US Florida, so
the family lives there with him as well. Yeap oh,
that's nice.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
Well, really hard for him because if there's no surety
in your future, what do you do around kids? Education,
what do you do around the continuity of life? Making friends?
All of those things? And I think we separate the
golfer from the bloke like all of us. How much
he's got kids, and he's got a wife, and he's

(09:59):
got all his other stery of things we don't see
on it and it's so important in any professionals lit Hey, but.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
How much time if the family is based in Florida,
how much time would he actually spend with them as
opposed to being out on the road playing golf?

Speaker 7 (10:12):
Well recently none so surely see when they did that
when they moved to Florida. It might just be really recently,
but the family have been with them around. But now
it's like, Okay, I'm on the Peachad Tour. I've got
my exemption, I'm playing major golf. I can calm down.
I've made five million dollars in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
How good.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
We're okay to get it, nanny. We're going to be
all right. So that side of things. And look, Ryan,
I recorded this this morning. I got up at early
for me anyway. Got a message going, man, I can't
do eleven thirty.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Can we big up it earlier?

Speaker 6 (10:48):
But later?

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (10:50):
Cheers, So you know, got the recording in and did
it by remote sitting on the couch. He is just
the most approachable, lovely guy. He's one of the great
examples of a New Zealander on the international sporting circuit
that hasn't climbed up the back of his own You
know what I'm saying. He hasn't changed. I've been talking.
I don't know how long I've been talking to Ryan

(11:11):
Fox now hasn't changed. Loves he loves the red wine.
He's had to cut some of the diet down. You
lose some weight. Why because he had hip injury last year. Yeah,
and basically his doctor well it's a repetitive strain turning
and moving.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Oh so bad for me.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Yeah, so that's why I can't play with my knee.
I mean, it's destroyed my career. But doctor said, look,
if you don't change something, we're going to have to
go and do surgery. We're going to have to actually
cut you open. So what do you say now? And
this quote to me this morning was yeah a little
easier to do and got someone holding a gun to
your head. Well, made phoebe more exercising. You know, I'm

(11:57):
not going to go and cut suspursions on his diet.
But he did say that the food in Americas makes
it pretty easy to get those portions.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Ah, I still am fizzing about it, and it's been years.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
I find it's something interesting about the food and ASTRM too.
A lot of it's very very soft. So what it
does this the little soft food.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
That you eat can get your pooping.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Well not not that, but it doesn't trigger your body's process,
which got a lot of masticating, a lot of chewy.

Speaker 11 (12:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
Yeah, it sees you've been eating when you basically just
inhale food, your body doesn't know you've had anything, so
sees you need more so you keep eating processed rubbish.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh yes, yeah, it goes on and on smooth. Yeah, okay,
Darst's what treasure t.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
John Norman out of England joins us right late in
the piece because the World Test Championship starts tonight.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Good stuff all okay, Darcy water Grave Sports Store, Coastal
Back at seven, It's full twenty two.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Moving the big stories of the day forward.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's Heather Dupery Drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and the news dogs that'd behither.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
It's poohing, not pooping. Well, I've got a three year old,
so it's pooping in my house and variations of many
variations of and honestly it's discussed a lot. You don't
realize that before you have children, how much you're gonna
discuss that, do you. But you discuss it a lot
amongst yourselves as parents, with your friends, about.

Speaker 10 (13:20):
Who is tea on your radio show.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
On the radio show with the child, a lot from
the Lord above. I feel like the point at which
they graduate to feeling embarrassed about it is going to
be a welcome relief for me. So we gonna stop
talking about it. Full twenty five now finally, finally, finally
found out why Adrian packed the tanti that he did.
It was over the funding, like we thought, because he
wanted a billion dollars from Nikola for five years. Nicola

(13:46):
was like, you got to be having a laugh, man,
I'm not giving you that much. And so he was
not happy. But why appears he was not happy was
because he was undermined by Nick Neil. Neil quickly the
chair of the Reserve Bank. He apparently said to Nickolint, yeah,
it's okay, we don't need that much money, and Adrian
did not like it. So Adrian quit. Quote. This led
to mister Orr's personal decision that he had achieved all

(14:08):
he could as the Governor of the Reserve Bank and
more some of us would say, and could not continue
in that role with significantly less funding than he thought
was viable for the organization. Mister Orr and Professor quickly
entered discussions which led to mister Orr's decision to resign.
The matter was distressing for mister Orr. So it appears
to what happened is if you look at the timeline,

(14:29):
it's kind of interesting because he quits officially on the Wednesday, right,
it's around about Middale thereabouts that he quit on the Wednesday,
but he actually had packed the tanti the weekend before.
Let's say, I think it might have been the Sunday.
I'm not sure, but it was over that weekend because
on Monday, everybody came to the office and they were
getting ready for it. They were preparing for the resignation.
Remember Nicola put out the press release that had Monday's

(14:50):
date on it, but she put it out on Wednesday.
And also we now find out, with all this information
that's been released by the Reserve Bank through the Official
Information Act, that the Reserve Bank bunch had a meet
on the Monday as well to figure out how to
actually deal with it if a resignation is received. So
it's almost like it feels the vibe I'm getting from
it is he packs a tanty and he goes I'm

(15:10):
gonna quit. Then doesn't come in on the Monday, and
everybody's sort of like, did he did he mean it?

Speaker 8 (15:17):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
What he did he actually mean that? Or not? And
so they're all preparing, They've got their letters ready and
stuff in cases in case he quits, and then he
follows through on the Wednesday. Anyway, we'll have a chat
to Michael Riddell, former Reserve Bank staff for about this
after five news talks the.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Bey lean talking.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
That'd be brother.

Speaker 12 (15:48):
You don't have to follow.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
O god other.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Whether it was complete arrogance from Adrian or as well
because he couldn't be bothered turning up to a meeting
you're supposed to be at the next day. Interesting, that's
not all that, by the way. This is we're getting
the information from a dump of Official Information Act documents
and that's not the only stuff we're found out. I'll
run you through all the little bits and bobs as
we go on before we speak to Michael Roddell before
five or just after five. Sorry by the way, just

(16:17):
on on field days. Taxpayers union Curier have released a
poll today on how farmers would vote. Now not a
surprise at all that farmers tend to lean to the right.
So you're talking about National and Act and New Zealand first,
I think the surprise in it is just how much
like how overwhelming that is so fifty four percent of
the farmers who are surveyed so they would vote for

(16:38):
National nineteen percent would vote for Act, eight percent would
vote for New Zealand First and Labor podly Old three percent,
just three percent. You have to wonder why Chippy's even
bothering to turn up. If it's three percent, it's basically
a hostile crowd, isn't it. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's the world wires on news dogs they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
A curfew has been declared in downtown La. It'll be
active from eight pm to six am local time and
applies to about two point five square kilometers in the city.
The mayor, Karen Bass says she's had to do this
to stop the looting.

Speaker 9 (17:15):
Yes, last night there were twenty three businesses that were looted.
So my message to you is if you do not
live or work in downtown La, avoid the area.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
The Israeli government will decide next week how to respond
to sanctions on two government ministers that have been issued
by a number of countries. In those countries include New Zealand.
The Israeli Foreign Minister says the sanctions are completely unjustified.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
It is outrageous.

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Of elected representatives and members of the government are subjected
this kind of measures.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
And finally, do you remember that asteroid. The asteroid is
back asteroid twenty twenty four y after or was in
the headlines when it looked like that they looked like
there was a three percent chance that it would hit
Earth in twenty thirty two. But then in February their
astronomer's got a better look at it in the probability

(18:10):
of an Earth impact fell drastically. Well, bad news. Now
looks like it's going to crash into the Moon. According
to observations from the James web Space telescope, there is
a four point three percent chance that the asteroid will
crash into the Moon in December twenty thirty two.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Hey Dan, Hey, Heather.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
So they've got this curfew in LA. What exactly has
brought us on?

Speaker 13 (18:41):
Well, I mean it's just these these immigration protests that
have grown and grown and grown. I mean we're into
day five right now, and you know there's still a
lot of people out there. But I think this has
grown into more of a political battle too, between President
Trump and our governor here at California, Gavin Newsom, who's
a Democrat and who everyone knows will be running for
president in twenty twenty eight, that's no secret. And he's
been calling out the government on this, saying that Trump

(19:03):
is overreaching on this and bringing in the military is
just fanning the fires when you've got the National Guard
and Trump is overstepping his authority. And he spoke just
a short time agoing this is what he had to say.

Speaker 14 (19:12):
California maybe first, but it clearly will not end here.
Other states are next. Democracy is next. Democracy is under
assault before our eyes. This moment we have feared has arrived.

Speaker 13 (19:27):
So here's the thing. He's walking this fine line. Can
he be tough enough? Can he stand up to Trump?
Does he lead or does he look like he's kind
of posturing for the camera and for the media.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
How problematic is it for him to have lost that
court case.

Speaker 13 (19:43):
I mean, I think it's a little bit. I think
I really think that it's not going to be a
big difference in terms of Robert the Attorney General and
he were announcing that they were suing the administration, that
Trump lacked this authority to federalize the National Guard, was
infringing on the state's sovereignty. But I think this is
just going to go back and forth to tell you

(20:04):
the truth between the mayor, between the governor, and between
the president.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Now, when you have the likes of the mayor coming
out and sort of suggesting that what Donald Trump is
doing here is practicing for whatever the midterms or whatever,
is this credible or do these guys look conspiratorial floating
these ideas.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I think we look a little bit of both.

Speaker 13 (20:23):
I mean, you know, you've already got the governor's press
offers earlier today they sent out a post on x
and they put Trump as a Star Wars villain and
the governor's response to his threat and arrest because Trump
said that you should go ahead and arrest the governor
right now. And so you know, Newsom is saying, come
and get me, tough guy. I mean, come on, guys,
you're two of the most powerful men here in the

(20:44):
United States. Governor Newsom is, you know, in charge of
the I think the fourth largest economy in the world
right now, and this is what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I mean, it feels to me like There's a
lot at stake here for Newsom, isn't it Because if
he doesn't get if these riots aren't under control and
these protests control, it makes him look weak, doesn't it.

Speaker 13 (21:03):
It does, It does. And I think that's what that
Trump who was speaking earlier today at the East Coast
about the Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday, that's what
he was kind of bringing up about how weak Newsome
is and how you know he's not going to let anything.
He being Trump is going to you know, clamp down
on this and make sure it doesn't get out of control.
Because this has this has happened, he said, a number
of times in our in our state.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah all right, now tell me about twenty three and
me is going to court over the sale of this
genetic information. Is it going to be able to do it?

Speaker 13 (21:31):
I think so. I mean, I think they've got a
good point. I mean, I know a lot of people
who are into this stuff. I actually have one of
those ancestry kids downstairs from their competitor that you know,
you just kind of spit in, you send it in
the mail and you hope you're related to somebody famous
in three weeks. But what they're saying is that these samples,
these DNA samples and the traits and the medical records
are just too sensitive to be sold. And every person

(21:51):
that has signed up for this needs to give their
written express So that's why we've seen a number of
suits brought up since the company file for bankruptcy. And
you know this, this is a company that was doing
health research and drug development. I mean, they had a
lot going on, but they just couldn't find a profitable
business model, which is why they laid off staff and
then they filed for bankruptcy. But you've got all this
gold that's out there, all this personal information that can

(22:15):
be sold and might still be sold.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Are you going to do this but thing? Are you
going to send it to ancestry?

Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (22:20):
Yeah, I've been with I asked for that for I
don't know if it's for my birthday, for Christmas. I
just haven't gotten around to it. But I'm really curious
because we had one of our kids that did it too,
and it's kind of fascinating just to see all the
what comes up from your pather.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Do you don't care about them having access and potentially
on selling your DNA, which is like arguably the most
private thing. You're most unique for.

Speaker 13 (22:39):
Them, Heather, we've known each other long enough, do you
think do you think anybody really wants what I have
to offer in my DNA? They can have it if
they're that best friend, go go to it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I say, hey, what happened to chet gpt today?

Speaker 13 (22:52):
Kind of went down a big outage And this is
a popular AI chat bot. And the reason why, well,
why are we talking about this when there's so much
going on in the world. It's because we've got students
at university across the country right now that are doing finals. Yeah,
my teams included right now, and they rely on this
kind of stuff too. And I don't think my daughter
as much as my son, but when something like this happens,

(23:14):
you hear about it because it's become part of their
daily use. And even teachers and professors will tell their
students go on it, use it, which seems a little
kind of detrimental I think sometimes to the whole learning process.
But that could just, you know, be because of our
generational gaps I guess between me.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
And maybe the teams.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, you can't ignore it, like you can't ignore
a calculator. You know, it's just part of the world now, Dan,
I appreciate it very much. Damage Is and US correspondent.
I saw chat GPT was down. I thought, how am
I going to because you know, I'm obsessed with it now.
So I was like, oh, how am I going to
find out about Greta? It was working, thank god, and
so I asked Chat GPT are there any recorded flights

(23:54):
that Greta Tunberg has taken? And it searched the entire internet.
I put on the highest mode because did you know
that you can change that as well, so you can
do the like just a you know, just a quick search,
it's really quick, or you can do the one where
it really deep dives into the internet and it takes
a long time. Took forty seven seconds to come back
to me and say there's only one recorded flight that
Greta has ever taken in her life and it's the

(24:16):
one from Gaza. Today. I thought, well, thank god, Chat
GPT is up to be able to tell me that
needed to know it. So Adrian all what is interesting
about the OIA documents is that Adrian or when he
quit on the Wednesday, sent a little sent a little
note out to all of this looks like it's the
bored people. Oh here we are the RB and Z board,
Naomi Mitchell and Christian Hawksby and said a quick note

(24:38):
to thank you all for your expedient work today. You know,
in processing the fact that he'd resigned, he said, I
will proudly open the conference tomorrow morning, noting I am
there to discuss today's news, which I think is a chip,
a little threat. Don't you think He was like, Yay,
I'll be there with whoever's the ben BERNANKI who's going
to be there? Anyway? It was going to be that

(24:58):
big international conference. He was like, I'm going to be there.
I'm going to talk about my resignation. And guess what.
He didn't turn up and he didn't talk about it.
And I'm guessing that's because they put the kibosh on
it themselves. Don't you think quarter to.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
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Speaker 2 (25:15):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us A Thomas.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Why did the Reserve Bank keep this a secret?

Speaker 6 (25:21):
I mean, this is the real question.

Speaker 15 (25:23):
So we've been waiting for months now for these documents
on the Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Law's resignation to be released.
He resigned on the fifth of March usually when these
things are supposed to be released in twenty working days.
So do the met on that they were released today
and they have confirmed what we suspected at the time.
In fact, we put it on the front page of
the Herald at the time, which is there. He quit

(25:44):
over the funding agreement, which is the deal that the
bank does with the Finance Minister to determine their budget
for the next five years. So no one knows, and
even Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister, is pretty unimpressed with
the time it's taken the bank to release.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
But even she herself has been asked by by myself
on the show numerous times why it was that he quit,
and she would not say.

Speaker 13 (26:07):
What.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Why did everybody keep it a secret till today? It's
it's not even that, it's not even that.

Speaker 15 (26:12):
Explosive, honestly, that this is. We don't know, we haven't
done it's a recess weeks. We haven't been able to
ask anyone about it. And and and when the politicians
pop their heads up, when when Parliament comes back to
sit again, and then that will be the first question
we asked them, and obviously on your show too. It's
it's it is such a The strange thing to me

(26:33):
is that the truth of the matter, which is that
this was the dispute over the funding agreement, is actually
quite you know, none, it's benign.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
It's it's totally benign.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
It's almost boring. It's it's it's predictable.

Speaker 15 (26:46):
It was known at the time, was suspected at the time,
so no one can really explain why the bank has
been so secretive about this.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
It's strange.

Speaker 15 (26:56):
If I to speculated myself, I think that the bank,
the Reserve Bank, does have a bit of a culture
of you know, it's less transparence, so we say, than
other other agencies in the government.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, I agree. I think the Reserve Bank has got
so deep into keeping secrets that it doesn't even know
what a worthwhile secret is anymore. It's just kind of
got a default secrecy, do you know what I mean?
But does it look to you Thomas like what happened
is he packed the tanty. He was undermined by Neil
Quigley who said, yeah, actually, don't worry, We'll take a
funding cut that set him off. That happened over the weekend.

(27:26):
He then said, right, if I can't get my money,
I'm quitting. Didn't turn up to work on Monday, and
everybody went, oh, geez, maybe he hasn't. So they convened
a meeting at the Reserve Bank. What happens if he
does actually resign? Nicola Willis got ready and then he
quit on Wednesday. Finally, is that what it looks like happened?

Speaker 15 (27:40):
That's yeah, I mean, that's that's roughly the chain of events.
But I mean, even then there was this Even then,
it doesn't seem to be a recognition of the gravity
of what was going on and just how this would
play out. But the day that Adrian or actually the
resignation was announced and basically you know that the train
of events became irreversible. He was still thinking that he
had appeared the next day at that that Central Banking

(28:02):
conference in Wellington, but actually explained to everyone what went Yeah, don't.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You think that was a chirpy little threat?

Speaker 15 (28:07):
Though, well, that's yeah, that's that is certainly one way
to read it. That is that is certainly one way
to read it. Well, that was that was an internal
an internal message though, but perhaps yeah, perhaps it wasn't
interpreted as the.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Board he had a falling out with it. I mean,
that's how I like to deliver my threats, don't you
chap in my voice?

Speaker 15 (28:23):
Well, the other interesting thing as well is that the
board she and Neil quickly spoke to Interest the Interest
website today and at the time he said in the
talking points revealed today was that the you know, the
the decision to resign was a personal one of the governor,
and obviously every decision to resign it's usually partly personal.
But he was asked by Interest, you know these documents
in nature that actually wasn't a personal reason for for

(28:47):
the resignation. It was a professional reason. That was it
was a matter of principle that he refused to take
this funding cut, and and and.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Neil quickly didn't really he did. He didn't win.

Speaker 15 (28:56):
Speaking the Interest square the circle, he was not able
to to describe how that personal decision, that personal remark
that he made a few months ago, squared with the
truth of the matter, which is that this clearly was
a professional resignation.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, okay, so this brings us to something else, because clearly,
what's happened is the Reserve Bank has just been caught fibbing,
haven't they? Like they have been playing with semantics to
the point that actually they it crossed into a lie arguably.
So now the problem is they just look like a
bunch of fibbers, don't they. And this brings us to
what's going on with a lot of pr at the moment.
You have media people just outright telling fibbs.

Speaker 15 (29:34):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that would you can only
really speak to what they can only speak to to
what they have known and what they have said, and
if there is any difference between the truth of the
matter that they know to be the truth and what
they have said, certainly, certainly what was said in March
seems quite different to what these documents reveal.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I appreciate it, Thank you very much, Thomas Thomas Coglan,
the Herald's political editor. So what Thomas was talking about
is Interest dot Co, Doon and Ze got Neil quickly
on the right because he had previously said Adrian or
had resigned due to a personal decision that was not
motivated by any policy disagreements. So they got him on
the phone. Interest of Codin said and they said them, Hey,
why did you say that when it was obviously actually

(30:14):
a policy disagreement. It was it was the funding disagreement,
and he said he stood by he stood by what
he had said, and he said the things that I
said at the time were true. It was a personal
decision for him to resign, which is just a lot
of crap, isn't it. I mean, every person resigns for
a personal reason. It's their personal decision in the end,
isn't it. But that's not what people take from the
phrase personal decision. I'm not interested, said Neil in having

(30:37):
you question me like you're a lawyer. Seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (30:46):
Back to our power group, Micrown, as the Meridian chief executive, Optimally,
where do we need to be? And as I sit
here talking to you, how far short are we?

Speaker 17 (30:54):
We're actually good shape this winter. I don't think people
need to worry about having enough power. There's a lot
of work that's gone on since last August where we
ran into a few challenges. I think the adjustments that
we've made as we approach this winter have made a difference.

Speaker 16 (31:06):
More generally, though, bigger picture, where are we and how
far short of optimal are we? So we never have
to have these conversations ever Again.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Long term, we're in good shape.

Speaker 17 (31:14):
We're deep into investing so that we can overcome challenge
that lost gas represents.

Speaker 16 (31:20):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defender opt Newstalk.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
ZB four away from five Heather. From my experience with
employment law, it is possible that an NDA was enforced
for all parties. This is readrian or for a prescribed
period of time, or would be litigious so dough risks
could be taken clear. I appreciate that. Look, we have
got an annual report. It's the first annual report from

(31:45):
the Independent Children's Monitor and it has a look at
how auto atomitiq is doing and all that stuff. Unfortunately,
it's not going so well Maori people in the auto
Antomitiki malory young people. Obviously, the kids in the auto
on atomidiqi system are half as likely to get qualification
as kids outside of it, and five times more likely
than any mental health and addiction services, which probably is

(32:06):
not much of a shock to people because I think
we all understand that once you're in ot your life chart.
You know, your options start closing down, don't they. But
we're going to talk to the Children's Monitor, independent Children's
Monitor about it very shortly. Also on that twenty three
and me thing. This is what I think. This is fascinating,
don't you? The sale of your private data? This is

(32:27):
the most I guess you could You could probably say
the most valuable asset that this particular company holds is
all the little bits of spit and stuff that people
have put in it, independent your own data. That's the
thing they're gonna sell. We're gonna have a chat to
a privacy lawyer about it shortly, just to find out
whether this is actually going to be able to go ahead,
because the argument is basically they shouldn't be able to

(32:48):
sell it because you might have spatten that little thing
and sent it to them, But maybe you've got kids
or gonna have kids, and it's their DNA's in there
now too and by association with you, and should they
have their DNA exposed like this? Anyway, we'll find out
all the details shortly. Newstalks at be.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Digging through the spin fence to find the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oring It's Heather d for thel Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 16 (33:36):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Afternoon. So we've finally being told the real reason why
Adrian will quit his Reserve Bank governor job, and it's
surprisingly benign. He quit because the Finance Minister wouldn't give
the Reserve Bank as much money as he wanted. Now,
Michael Riddell is a former Reserve Bank economist. He's been
working his way through the document dump from the bank
today him Michael.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Hello, okay it Hardley seeps.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
It seems something worth keeping a secret for what three months?
Does it?

Speaker 5 (34:02):
No, it's just extraordinary. I mean, you know, maybe they
couldn't tell us the full story on the day, but
the new Reserve Bank funding agreement was published on sixteenth
of April. There's absolutely no excuse for lack of clarity
at that point. I mean, who knows quite why. I
probably trying to protect Adrian because I mean, while you
make the point that the issues about the budget, I

(34:23):
think it's also about Adrian's personality. You know, every government
department chief executive in Wellington's had to cope with budget
cuts in the last eighteen months. A lot of them
probably thought they should grow their own agencies. But they
acted like adults. They got on, they didn't toss their
toys walk out without notice. You know, Adrian's behaved more
like a moody teenager over inevitable for scool restraint.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Do you think that it was kind of sparked by
the fact that Neil quickly appears to have undermined him.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
No, I very reached out there. I mean, Neil has
spent all the time he's been shared basically providing cover
for the governor. I mean, I think where you'd rephrase
that is that the board seems to have eventually faced
reality in a way that the governor wouldn't. So, you know,
the board signed on to this massive bid for a
billion dollars last sort of July or August, sends up

(35:13):
to the minister, and eventually it became lear that the
Minister and Treasury unsurprisingly not going to agree with that.
You know, any sensible person on that board would have gone,
you know, well, ultimately ministers make these decisions, not us.
We have to bow to reality. A saying chief Executive
would also have reached much the same view that if said, look,

(35:34):
I don't like it, but in the end, she's the
minister of Finances her call.

Speaker 8 (35:38):
Do you think he fight the fight that.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
The governor couldn't win and shouldn't have got this this
emotionally involved in it. There were disgraced described in the
statement as the governor became distressed. Well, you know, it's
like a toddler.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Do you think he really thought that he would be
opening the conference the day after he quit?

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Well, it's sort of weird, isn't it. I mean that
email is literally an hour before the press statement went out,
and I've start it beyond comprehension. I mean maybe he
must have. I mean it's there, but how you know?
There just seems to have a bit of detachment from reality.
Presumably someone either quickly or hawks be took on the

(36:22):
side and said, look, Adrian, go away, it's not your day.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Is there any explanation in the documentation as to why
they referred to his resignation as project Baroda?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I think that's just what corporates will do, government agencies
will do. You want to have some innocuous name so
that if people are searching around your document managements, then
they don't find document resignation of governor?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
But why Baroda? What's the song?

Speaker 5 (36:51):
I don't know, I mean Baroda wasn't as a bank
that was operating in New Zealand, one of the Indian ones.
But they might just have some alphabetical list that you know,
ABU down to z. They have just been the random
being name that came up.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Brilliant Michael, Thank you very much. Appreciated as always, Michael Radelle,
former Reserve Bank Governor. Look, I don't know what this
tells you about working in the public service. But they
have the meeting, right so they're having this meeting. It's
Christian hawksby John McDermott, Naomi Mitchell, Nick McBride and helenkincaid,
and they're having this meeting where they on the Monday,
he's packed the tanty over the weekend and he's quitting,
and he finally quits on the Wednesday. But on the

(37:23):
Monday they have this meeting. They get together and they're
going to talk about it. Number one item on the
agenda well being check in dot everybody is doing okay.
We all need to work there, just to make sure
we're all okay.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Five to eleven Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Now, the Independent Children's Monitor has released its first annual
report on how Maldy. Children and young people in the
Audu A Tamidi key system are going unfortunately not too well.
Maldy young people in the system are half as likely
to get a qualification as those outside it, and the
five times more likely to need mental health and addiction services.
Aaron Jones is Independent Children's Monasors Chief executive and with

(38:02):
us Now.

Speaker 18 (38:02):
Hey Aaron, yeah, good evening.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Are you at all surprised by this?

Speaker 19 (38:08):
I think the extent of the harm and some of
these outcomes is a little surprising. I think one of
the things that's perhaps most surprising to me is when
you look at young people who've gone to offend, ninety
two percent of them will have had previous concerns raised
about their safety and well being. So what it says
is there were opportunities earlier to help them that may

(38:28):
not have been taken.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
How would what would those opportunities look like? How would
we help them?

Speaker 19 (38:34):
Well, well, I think most children come to the attention
of what Dungo tamriki because they have needs. You know,
some of them will have suffered abuse, but a lot
of them will be coming through for welfare reasons. So
impacts of poverty, housing, security, you know, family violence and
poor mental health, both for their faro and for themselves.
And when that comes to the tension of Ordungo tamriki,
that's an opportunity for government to all agencies to step

(38:57):
in and try and address those needs so that they
get dealt with early and the support's there so that
these kids don't grow up and then end up becoming
these young offenders.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Okay, so this is where the Social Investment Agency is
supposed to pull this all together. Do you have confidence
it's going to work well?

Speaker 6 (39:12):
I think.

Speaker 19 (39:14):
Moving in the right direction, you know, putting investment, because
this report makes that case for that investment approach right,
putting the right help in place at the earliest time.
And if you can do that in a way that
allows providers just to get on and do the work.
And I'm talking about that. This report's got plenty of
examples about great work being done by Ewe Malori providers
to walk alongside Farno, so working not just with the

(39:35):
kid's needs, but the family's needs. You know, in terms
of a youth justice approach, making sure there's restitution. They're
addressing these young people that are addressing offenders. You know,
I heard a great story just the other day about
a young person who had robbed a store. They're now
working there. So this is the thing. You need to
invest in, the interventions early before it gets to crisis.
And so my hope is a social investment approach as

(39:56):
a government moves towards that will help with.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
This brilliant Hey, thank you so much, I really appreciate it,
Aaron Aaron Jones, Independent Children's Monitor together do for Sea
Allen now facial recognition technology. I'm a huge fan. I'm
going to say this right at the start. I think
this is the stuff that all of the retailers need
to be doing. And this is obviously the stuff that
food Stuff's was doing the trial of you know, to
be able to as you go into the supermarket, take

(40:18):
your photograph and if you've already shoplifted from them, then
they intercept you there and go no, mate, you're not welcome,
and the rest of us can go in. A bunch
of retailers have to Diet today signed a letter which
has gone out not so much saying that they're going
to use facial recognition technology, but saying that they support it.
And I think you can probably connect those two dots right.

(40:38):
They are either going to use it themselves or they're
going to try to get the mall that they are
in the middle of to use it. Brisco's, Bunnings, Farmers,
miter Ten, Michael Hill One, New Zealand, Spark and the Warehouse.
Good on them. And I want to know. And actually
this is a question for you because I I called
retail New Zealand about this lather ones that put up

(41:00):
press release and they're being really weird about it and
trying to trying to sell me on the benefits of
facial recognition technology. I was like, lady, why are you
wasting your time? I love this, I love it, I
love it, I love it. Why are you doing this?
They said, Oh, I feel like people need a bit
of education. You don't really understand it. So here's my
question to you. Okay, because they were a bit funny,
they didn't quite couldn't quite couldn't quite explain whether people

(41:23):
love it or not. So I want to know from you.
Are you okay with the facial recognition technology like I am?
Are you like, absolutely take the bad guy's photo. I
don't care, go for it, and I'm happy to have
you take mine. So you can get the bad goes.
Are you okay with it? Or are you weird about it?
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Speaker 3 (42:54):
Two ever dul on nineteen past five.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Now, DNA testing company twenty three and meter is being
taken to court by a huge number of US states
because what's going on is that they want to sell
off the customer's personal genetic information. But this is without
customer's knowledge or consent. The company holds DNA info for
more than fifteen million people, many of them will be
in New Zealand as well. Rick Sheharer is a privacy lawyer. Hey, Rick, Hi,

(43:18):
how are you well? Thank you? If you've sent your
DNA into the slot, should you be worried?

Speaker 20 (43:23):
I've said that right from the start. It's highly tempting. Obviously,
we all want to know where we came from and
who we were related to. But one never knows where
these things are going to end up.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Where are they going to end up? So apparently, if
you're pharmaceutical company said last month it would pay two
hundred and fifty six million US dollars for it, what
do they do with it?

Speaker 20 (43:42):
Yeah, well they'll use it to develop pharmaceuticals, no doubt,
and for any other purposes that they might want to
use it for. They say, of course that they will
abide by the privacy policies and so on that the
company already had. But those, like many privacy policies, are
a little bit of opaque. You don't quite know where
it's going to end up or what they're going to
do with it.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
So what's the worst that they can do with it?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Rick?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I mean, because increasingly, I'm sure you're experiencing this. Increasingly
we are getting we are living in a world where
our information is just widely available to companies, Google, et cetera. Right,
So why should we What are these guys going to
do with it? What should be worried about?

Speaker 20 (44:20):
Well, we don't know what they're going to do with it,
that's the problem. And terms of terms of service and
privacy policies can be changed almost welly Nelly, these days
where we're used to getting the email in our box
saying oh, by the way, our privacy policy has changed.
If you continue to use our service, then you've accepted it.
The difficulty here, I think is that that's all very well,
where you know you're giving up some sort of personal

(44:41):
information of some data, even a credit card. You can
change your credit card when you like, you can't.

Speaker 10 (44:46):
Change your DNA.

Speaker 20 (44:47):
Yeah, So once it's out there, and once it's gone,
it's gone for good. And of course, with the increases
in technology, the use of DNA to do all sorts
of things, including identifying us just for run of them,
all types of things is going to become more prevalent.
So the ability for people to impersonate us using DNA
is likely to increase as well.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Hey, with very good point, Rick, thanks very much, appreciate it.
Rick Share a privacy lawyer. Speaking of your data being
out there, Yesterday on the show, I talked about Reese Plumbing,
great outfit, Reese dot co dot NZ. I said what
popped up on my ADS today renovation for my bathroom.
I was like, no, I wasn't I'm not looking. I
was telling other people about a renovation for a bathroom,

(45:28):
but now they think I want a renovation for my bathroom.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Does like.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
If you're worried about your DNA, you should be flipping
out about the fact that your phone is literally listening
to you all the time. How weird is that? When
you think about it, I mean, I feel like what
we need to get is like a like a black
box or like one of those metal boxes at your
front door. Come into the house, put your phone away
so they can't hear what you're up to all day
and all night. Think about that. Yes here they speaking Jesus,

(45:55):
it's all privacy at the moment. A yes here, they're
absolutely fine with the facial recognition. Here the photo half away.
I'll even make sure I smile for the supermarkets. Hither
only the criminals won't like it. Hither, Yes to the
facial recognition, No problem at all. It goes on, And
I think there was only one who said no, not
okay with it, said Jenny. Now, Jenny, I want to
know what have you been up to that you don't

(46:15):
like this? Five point twenty.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Two informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
News talks, there'd be five to twenty five. Listen. I
think in the end, ground swell is going to be proven, right,
But I don't think they're going to get what they
want right now, and I don't think they should get
what they want right now, because what they want is
for New Zealand to pull out of the Paris Agreement. Now,
we cannot pull out of the Paris Agreement, well, at
least we cannot pull out of it right now. Right

(46:47):
we cannot be one of the first or the first
to pull out, because the first lot of countries that
pull out of the Paris Agreement are going to be
the ones who are blamed for destroying the agreement, and
they will pay for it reputationally. And frankly, here in
New Zealand wely way too much on our good guy
reputation for tourism, in trading and so on to risk
being seen to not care about climate change. But I

(47:09):
think that eventually we will pull out, or more likely
actually just the agreement will fall apart by itself because
it's not working. I mean, just look at the numbers
we are supposed to hit our first significant target, the
twenty thirty target, in five years time. We're not going
to hit it. I can tell you that now. We
are not going to hit it in five years time.

(47:29):
Neither are a whole bunch of other countries Argentina, South Korea,
Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, Canada. Just go through the list
of countries to find how many of them are actually
going to hit it.

Speaker 11 (47:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
When we don't hit it, which is inevitable, we are
supposed to fix it up by planting a huge number
of trees, and we're only going to be able to
do that by paying probably a developing country to plant
those trees for us. And the estimated bill for that
as it stands right now twenty three billion dollars. Now,
do you think we're gonna send twenty three billion dollars

(47:59):
overseas in twenty thirty. No, of course we're not going to.
We know that because the Climate Minister has basically gone
around saying that. And even Chloe Swarbrick knows that this
thing is falling apart, because we had her on the
show just a few weeks ago and I asked her
if the Paris agreement was going to hold and she
wouldn't say yes, which tells you she already knows. So
if Chloe can see that the thing is going to fail,

(48:20):
and Simon Watts is predicting that it's going to fail,
then perhaps we all need to see that it is
going to fail at some point and ground Swell will
eventually be proven, right Heather do for see Allen. Jenny Markcroft,
Jenny Marcroft came into the office today. Who's Jenny Marcroft?
You say, Jenny Markcroft is the Media and Communications Parliamentary

(48:41):
Undersecretary from the New Zealand First Party. Absolute good bird.
I'm telling you this because Jenny brought a couple of
cakes in and normally what happens and this is oh man,
I'm making this about myself. But hey, you know, I'm
just going to do that. I'm just going to lean
right into this. I because of the time of day
that I come in, everybody's already gobbled up all the
cake by themselves. They have a birthday part of this,

(49:01):
gobble up the cake. But Jenny said to them, she
brought in the two cakes for the Radio awards to
say congratulations to news Talks. He'd be is she sucking
up to us a year. She is a Media and
Communications Parliamentary undersecretary. Keep it up, Jenny, So I don't
mind this kind of sucking up. She said to them,
you keep a couple of slices for Heather, and they
were Jenny, those were good cakes. Thank you for that anyway.

(49:23):
So I just think that there's a lesson there for everyone.
Suck up with a cake. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Let's get connected. News talks. The'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Huddles standing by Fletcher Building. Finally some good news for them,
they reckon. Potential buyers are lining up to buy their businesses.
The new CEO floated the possibility of selling off some
of their businesses. It's part of this review, they reckon.
It's going down really well. We'll have a chat to Samtratha.
We have Milford Asset Management after six o'clock. Right now,
it's twenty four away from.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Six Togeather do for Cellen too.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
High profile Israeli ministers are now banned from New Zealand.
The Israeli Finance minister Bezlals Motrich and the Security Minister
Ittamar ben Via have been banned from multiple countries, sparking
backlash from the United States. Not particularly happy with us
about this. The Israeli ambassador to New Zealand Alone Roth
is with us now, hail on we do Did your

(50:33):
government get any notice before this happened?

Speaker 21 (50:36):
No, no, we were surprised yesterday.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 21 (50:43):
I think that what we see now is that we
are trying to get some kind of ceasefire in the
fight in the Middle East, in Gaza and Israly fighting
seven frants on the same time. And I wish that
all parties involved, the international players would have helped us

(51:04):
to reach this sease fire and to reach some kind
of ends to this war and make sure that this
our organization from US is not with us. So we
are for discussions, We are for talks, We are for dialogues.
We are not for putting blame or putting whatever was

(51:28):
done yesterday night to our ministers.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Do you expect that you will get more of these
kinds of sanctions that are targeted at individuals in the
government as the risk the world becomes increasingly frustrated with Israel.

Speaker 21 (51:42):
You know, we have to look on the bigger issue here.
What is the context. The context is that a year
and a half ago as well was viciously attacked by
a terror organization. Twelve hundred civilians were massacred, raped, taken
in to Gaza. Many of them are still in Gaza

(52:02):
suffering horrors. The Palestinian population was taken hostage by at
our organization called Hamas. And these are the issues that
we have to deal with, not the composition of the
Israeli government. And I do hope, as I said, the
international players are very important. And this for us is
an existential war. We see an existential threat. You know,

(52:26):
we are being attacked from from Iran and from Yemen
and from Gaza, of course, and he's belind the North,
et cetera, et cetera. And we hope that our friends,
especially our democratic friends, will help us to go forward
and to reach what we really want to reach, and.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
This is peace.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
How are the democratic friends supposed to help you? What
can I what can I actually do practically?

Speaker 21 (52:52):
I you know, I think that there is intelligence in
every government and in empery place. And I see for example,
what our American friends are doing with us. I see
the proposals that are coming time and again to the table.
And by the way, Israel always said yes to these proposals,

(53:12):
even the ones that were more problematic for us and
the other side. Hamas, in a serial kind of answer,
answered negatively. So if you ask me what should be
done the international community, especially the democratics, that democracies should

(53:33):
put pressure on Hamas and not on Israel. Israel really
wants peace, Israel shows it. The Israeli culture is the
culture of life, not the culture of death. We want peace,
but we can't have a terror organization, armed ter organization
on our southern border. We saw on the seventh of
October what happened, and we still have dozens of Israelis

(53:56):
that are suffering horrible suffering in their tunnels.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
You guys must be aware. I mean, you're smart enough,
obviously as diplomats, to be aware of the fact that
it is becoming increasingly difficult for the world to support you.

Speaker 21 (54:09):
Right again, the question is not to support Israel or not.
The question is much bigger. The question is whether we
want to show terrorists this time in the Middle East,
in the south of Israel, but tomorrow it will be
elsewhere that they can fight with lies and with embedding
themselves into their own population, civilian population, and making sure

(54:33):
that they are liked in the world, because the world
is saying, well, Israel is doing harm to this population.
If this is the example that is going to win,
all of us are in great danger and Israel is
today's suffering the world. That will determine whether terrorism is

(54:54):
going to win or whether the idea of life, democracy
and judicial systems that are the strongest and decide whatever
is being done, are winning. And for the time being,
unfortunately we don't see it enough.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
All right, Ellen, thank you very much for your time.
I appreciate it. Alon Roth, Israeli Ambassador to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
The Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you all one of
the kind.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I'm the huddle with us. So see if we have
Jack Taime, host of Q and A Saturday Mornings here
on Newstig Zibi and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too, Jack?
Are you down there at Field Days?

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Are you?

Speaker 10 (55:32):
I sure?

Speaker 8 (55:33):
I am World, It's amazing, it's amazing. The PM got
a little bit more pushback than I think he was expecting.
Notwithstanding that poll we're going to talk about huh. But
I think there's a slight risk that the governing parties
take the support of farmers for granted. Oh well, he

(55:53):
was pretty snaky on the FEDS have a great little
campaign around save our sheep. This is the issue with
forestry take over all the productive for so many of
the productive farmland. And he went in there in the
and spoke at the feeds of ends and sets. It
was the sillier stillboard I've ever seen waste of money,
rare rah. So clearly it's you know, when plants is

(56:15):
reacting that it's hurting a sore spot.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, yeah, So not reading the room on that one,
I would have thought, Jack, what do you make of
ground Swell advocating for us to pull out of the
climate Cord.

Speaker 18 (56:24):
Yeah, I'm not altogether surprised, and I see the X
David Siml was there making similar calls. I can't see
national supporting that move for the moment, but I can
foresee a scenario in the next couple of years in
which our whole stack of countries are going to basically
all come out at once and say, yeah, you know what,
you know, those commitments we made, Yeah, we're not going

(56:44):
to be reaching those.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And that's out that we need right.

Speaker 22 (56:47):
Well, well, look, New Zealand's not going to lead it.
We're not going to be the Internet. We're not going
to be the country that leads all these other international
players pulling out of Paris, you know. But I mean
so much of.

Speaker 18 (56:58):
The stuff is around branding, and we can think of
ourselves as being clean and green, but keep in mind
that even to meet our commitments, even if we had
significantly reduced our emissions much more than we have, we
would still be on the hook for likely billions of
dollars in international carbon credits, as dubious as they might be,
in order to meet our commitments. And I just think
there are going to be a whole I can foresee

(57:19):
a scenario in which our whole heap of countries are
going to come out and say, you know what, we're
not going to buy the credits to make out the
shortfall between where we are and where our commitments. He
would be.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Do you think it's in there's inevitability about the Jordan?

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Jack's being on, But I'd put it slightly differently because
I get really annoyed just with with politicians just misleading
the public because you talk to the even senior cabinet
ministers and you talk to them about the sturdy billion
dollars that we've signed up for missus next Climate Target,
and they all because it's not in the government box,
it's not there. And they say, oh well it's not

(57:52):
it's not their because I don't not worrying Jordan, and
we're not going to pay it. You know, it is ridiculous.
We're not going to really sign it, we don't really
mean it. And then you moment you put them on tape,
for which I did, I asked little agreed today a
sell willing pe the National MP and far When they're
on tape, they're like, oh no, we're very serious about it.
You know, it's unimaginable we pull out and you know

(58:13):
miss lux and has actually clarified.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Like I agree with you. I get irritated by this
as well. But what come on, guys, corry on Jordan,
think about it, think about our international branding. They cannot
go out there and say that they're not going to.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
Trading partners are already I mean the Yanks have already
said this is a joke.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
We're not going to go trading partner by any means, are.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
Going to pull back because we're not in Paris.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Come on, no, but you know that we cannot afford
it reputationally to be the guys at the right, at
the vanguard of it saying that we're pulling out.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
The farmers are saying, you know, it's just it makes
me laugh at the town needs all say we can't
possibly do this because it'll affect the farmers and our
international trading relationships. And yet you've now you're now getting
more and more sort of mainstream farmingganization saying that you
know that this is killing us.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
But Jordan, do you not think do you not think
that it's being played exactly the right way by the
national lead government at the moment, which is that if you,
if you care about this and you read about this,
you can see that they are saying this thing is
falling apart and we're not going to pay the money,
But they cannot say it internationally. So what it means
is you, as a smart farmer, need to start factoring
in that Paris is not a thing anymore.

Speaker 8 (59:23):
You could be right, it's just I am principle really
dislike it when politicians say one thing on tape and
one thing I agree with you generally. That's why, That's
why I don't want to be a politician.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
But if they say it out loud, then someone like
Jack's going to absolutely rip his ninety, isn't he?

Speaker 18 (59:38):
And he shout, who's nightty am? I ripping?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Well?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I mean, I can I just test this with you, Jack?
How gutted are you that the Paris Accord is a
nothing now?

Speaker 18 (59:51):
I mean, I'm not very go because I quite chemical
about these sorts of things at the best of times.
I mean, I've thought for a long time that you
know that the golf between what countries were pledging on
a mission's reductions and what was actually being done was
going to take a herculean effort to overcome. I mean,
I do think climate change is a massive problem. I
do think we need to reduce our emissions. I do

(01:00:11):
think we need to put a whole lot more effort
and energy into adaptation. One thing I do think is
quite interesting though, But the way this is unfolded is
how the market pressures outside of the explicit detail and
the Powis Agreement are dictating behavior. So if you look
at like Fonterra's biggest clients, right is a nest layer
I think is the biggest client for Fontira internationally for emissions.

(01:00:35):
For emissions reductions are arguably going to do a whole
lot more than any of our commitments under Paris. So
you know, it is intriguing to see what the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Market is but a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Let's see, let's see if it holds. I just don't
believe it's going to hold it all, even with the
nestlay front. Guys will take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Come back shortly the huddle with New Zealand South the
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Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,
you ever done yourself one of those little tests as
DNA tests.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I have, and then I got worried about the
data and got them to delete it because it's really interesting.
But I think that's where sort of you know, with
this data sort of traded online and where where AI
is going and probably where insurance is eventually going to go.
I think we need to be a little bit guarded,
but it's probably the horse has already bolted. You look
at that half a few years ago of all the

(01:01:25):
GPS art are across the Wellington region. Yeah, it might
be might be a little late for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I worry. I worry about the insurance aspect of a
jack what about you?

Speaker 23 (01:01:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:01:36):
Absolutely. It sort of feels like remember that movie Gafficer
whom that no, uh it up. It's written by the
guy who wrote The Key We guy who wrote the
Truman Show as well. Oh I am fantastic film anyway,
it's it's kind of talked about the DNA profiling and

(01:01:58):
in the fighting Come On Future, And yeah, it concerns
me as well. I did do one of those that
I did a DNA part of a TV show way
back in the day. You'll be started to learn that
I come from fiercely Scottish, English and Irish stock for
about ninety nine point of the other well, the other

(01:02:19):
that curiously is South Asians, because of course, my great
great great great grandma was a Muslim woman from Kalkafa.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
How do you know this fact?

Speaker 18 (01:02:28):
Because I was on a TV show that went into
my background and and it's it's sort of family law actually,
my my, my whatever whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:02:37):
It is.

Speaker 18 (01:02:37):
My great great great grandfather was the surgeon General of Calcusa,
so moved from Scotland to Calcusa. He and my great
great great whatever grandma checked up and the rest is history.

Speaker 22 (01:02:47):
That is anyway, that is I'm similarly concerned, and so
I'm in the process of trying to have where's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
The coolest thing about you? Actually right now about you?

Speaker 18 (01:03:01):
It's probably a low bar. Really, yeah, it is about
It is true that if you if you yeah, I
think I think.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:03:09):
Basically the entire thing is just as you'd expect, but
for one flash of something slightly interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
So great great great grandfather was you know, but racy
and decided I.

Speaker 18 (01:03:18):
Feel a story there, like we don't have all the details.
I was like, I was trying to look up the
marriage records and I was like, oh, they're curiously missing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
M I love it. Hey. By the way, Jordan, just
quickly on that poll that you guys commissioned that found
only three percent of farmers would vote for later.

Speaker 8 (01:03:33):
This isn't us.

Speaker 10 (01:03:34):
This is the said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I gave you the credit. Take the credit, Just take
it while you still can. But why should be even
turning up because that, I mean, that's heartbreakingly low for him.

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
Isn't it clearly clearly there's no way through farmer support
labor what Poland company is? There was this courier market research.
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:03:56):
I mean labour actually just down down the way and
we're all living Marquee. You find a near the text
files yet we've going to chippy hasn't turned up yet
when there's been a holy copter coming in there out
what we're waiting for. It very clearly that they're trying
to make an effort, but it is a real worry
and this is our largest export industry. Labor need the
economic credibility and you're only getting three percent. The other surprise,

(01:04:18):
the feeds tell me that compared to their last poll
a year or two ago, that act has come down
quite a bit. Again, I think that if the center
Rid are going to have to start delivering rather than
just slow walking there their promises, which is what you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Were saying before taking them for granted. Guys, thanks so much,
Jack Tame, Jordan Williams Huddle seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Hard Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Hither the Crunch for Paris this is the Paris Agreement.
Hits the five year treasury forecast at next year's budget,
that's when it becomes a realized liability. There has to
be accounted for.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Of course, we could just be s and say we're
going to hit the target, but I don't think Treasury
are allowed to b s to the tune of twenty
three billion dollars, So we're just it's added to the
three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty billion
dollar borrowing. Thank you for that grunt. Yeah, we'll still
be pretending next year, I think four away from six
now there. So there's been a bit of discussion online
lately about how different generations do different things, and there's

(01:05:16):
an article in The Guardian and it's also in the
New York Times, different articles, but basically about how generations
are behaving and apparently we all do our own annoying thing, right,
So the boomers when they go into a bar, find
things to complain about, and apparently this is particularly in
the States. Used to do this thing where if you
bought a certain number of drinks in the States, you

(01:05:37):
get a free one. The boomers still want that, and
they just don't do it anymore, but they're still going
for it. The gen Xes are big time complainers. They
want to pick where they sit there. They tell you
every miner inconvenience that they're going through they have to
have air conditioning and it's always breaking down. Blah blah blah. Millennials,
my generation, we still drink like we were in our
twenties apparently, but we can't. So we go hard on

(01:05:59):
the whiskeys on the rocks and then were munted before
you know it. But I thought this was interesting. The
very very young ones, the ones who were just drinking
at the moment, in know, like twenty eight year olds
and thereabouts and under. They apparently don't open bar tabs.
Now this is a big This is blowing the minds
of the Americans that the kids aren't opening the bar tabs.
But it got me. I looked at that and went, well,

(01:06:19):
it made me think we don't actually have a culture
of opening bar tabs in New Zealand?

Speaker 21 (01:06:24):
Do we?

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Like if you think, when was the last time you
went out and to a bar and just went, here's
my here's my credit card, start a bar tab. We'll
put all my mates and me and put drinks on it.
Why don't we do that?

Speaker 8 (01:06:35):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
And I suspect it's because we're just tight ons? Is
that what it is? Is that why we don't open
the bar tabs? Anyway, if you have an answer, I'd
love to know, because first time I ever opened a
bar tab I felt like such a gangstay. I was like,
I'm rich now. It was just the one though. News
Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Said v.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Even in coming up to the next hour. As I
said at the start of the show. Currently in country,
Sir Nick Gibb, the former UK Schools Minister who turned
their educational achievement around. He's going to be at us
after half past Sam Trafu. We have Milford Asset Management
on Fletcher Business and also Gavin Gray out of the
UK at seven past six. Now, a luxury real estate
agent is calling on the Prime Minister to lift the

(01:07:37):
ban on foreign home buyers. He's written an open letter
saying that he has clients wanting to invest millions of
dollars in New Zealand, but they can't because they can't
buy homes here. And Didy morsen Coff is with us.
Our he Anthony, Hi, thank you for having me on
your show. Yeah, thanks very much for joining us. Now
I understand you've got one ultra high net worth individual
in particular that you are representing.

Speaker 11 (01:07:57):
Is that right, I've got Molti Paul. I've got a
whole series at Forbes. At Forbes Logal Properties, we deal
with one of the largest databases of ultra high networth
people in the world, and there's quite a number of
those that have property port investment portfolios around the world.
They'd love to include New Zealand in that portfolio and

(01:08:20):
they are having. The current legislation that we're dealing with
is good for corporates, but it's not good for the
owners of those corporates because so they want to come
here and invest into New Zealand, they cannot buy a
house or they have to wait three years, which is
just not practical. People walking away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
How much do you reckon is sitting out there and
just on your books wanting to come in money wise,
but can't.

Speaker 11 (01:08:47):
I would have easy five hundred million dollars of people
wanting to invest in New Zealand, and I mean easy.
I've got clients there that want to invest into big
land developments for residential houses. I've got to buy a
tech company that wants to come to New Zealand. So
I've got a lot of different sort of people that

(01:09:10):
want to invest here in New Zealand, and they want
to buy properties, not only in Auckland. These are not
only Auckland buyers. These are people that want to buy
also in the country where often, you know, we get
homes that are worth let's say four or five million
dollars and they can't. And they would be really good

(01:09:31):
to adding to the people in the countryside that they
get the people in the countryside get additional income from
these people buying these properties they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
How long do you reckon we've go because obviously Australia's
are doing the old ban on the foreign buyers, and
there's also talk about the wealth tax and stuff like that.
So how long have we got do you think to
cut Australia's lunch?

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
I think yeah, that may change, but at the current moment,
I don't see that. I think we've got a short
time pero with everything what's happening in the United States
and over in Europe. Those are the people at a
moment are looking at New Zealand. It's a safe haven
and we've got a lot to offer as New Zealand
for those people. But at the same time, those people
have got a lot to offer to New Zealand. You know,

(01:10:14):
they offer employment, they bring tech skills, they bring investment
to companies here, and we're not letting them buy a house.
It's too crazy for words.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
All right, Listen, you've spoken to the Prime Minister about it.
Any indication it's going to change, he.

Speaker 11 (01:10:30):
Said to me personally, he says, about half a year ago,
watched this space and I've had That was November last
year at at a meeting with him, and since then,
I've watched that space and I've talked to other ministers.
I've talked to members of Parliament. I've had clients talk
to ministers, and everything seems to be on hold. Nobody's

(01:10:50):
doing anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
We're still watching the space. Okay, listen, thank you very much, Anthony.
I really appreciate your time. Anthony Morzenkoff Luxury Real estate
agent Heather. Jetstar in New Zealand looks like it's going
to be boosting its capacity because Quantus obviously owns the
jet Star brand. Quantus is closing down its Jetstar Asia business,
which means they've got thirteen planes that are being freed up,

(01:11:12):
and they're going to send those thirteen planes to Australia
and New Zealand. Now, I would imagine vast majority of
those planes will go to Aussie, but some of them
will be coming here. And I don't know about you,
but if you've been complaining about Air New Zealand's ticket prices,
you should be pretty stoked about this because any capacity
that jet Star brings to New Zealand means that Air
New Zealand's going to have a bit more competition, means
that the prices should come down a little bit. So

(01:11:33):
that's good news, Heather. This is why we don't This
is why people don't start bar tabs. Have you seen
the prices on drinks in New Zealand. My credit card
limit would be exceeded, Heather. Yes, we're tight asses, but
also drinks are such a ripoff in New Zealand. Heather,
it's because the beer in town costs fifteen dollars. The
price at home hasn't changed that much. I suppose that's
what it is, because there's a thing like if you

(01:11:54):
because Ants and I have had a debate about this.
I think it's an age and stage thing. But well,
at least I thought it was an agent stage thing.
I thought, Oh, well, it's when you're a young person,
do you know what I mean, and you sort of
the start of your career, you don't have a lot
of money, so you go out and you really mind
your money, just buy one drink at a time, and
if you're going to buy your made a drink, you
totally expect them to shout your back. Then you obviously

(01:12:15):
hit your stride. You know, when you get you start
getting your ball of money and your gangster money, and
then you don't care anymore. I just think that maybe
there's not enough people with the gangster money just sort
of would you agree with that answer to sort of
make it a cultural thing?

Speaker 24 (01:12:26):
Well, yeah, I mean the main reason I haven't started
to have is that I'm just terrified that I'll put
my credit card behind the bar and after about twenty minutes.

Speaker 10 (01:12:31):
The sort of friends I've.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Got like that will absolutely make it.

Speaker 10 (01:12:35):
It will have hit the limit, like yeah, yea, yeah
and yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:12:37):
And I always don't like the whole round system because
to me, I'm just a practical person in this sort
of thing. You know, I know what I want to drink,
I'll go get it, I'll go pay for it there
like sort it out, where as opposed to, you know,
with rounds, you're going having to sort of remember everybody's
drink order, go up, pay for everybody, and then oh, okay,
we're going to leave after this one, and then you
have to keep track of who's turn it is to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
About to tell a story that's going to get me
in trouble? Shall I do it? Okay, here we go.
So once upon a time when I was a young person,
myself and my friend Angela were working for for We
were very very new journalists working in radio, working for
Radio Life. They don't exist anymore. And we went to
White Hongey and Guyan Espiner was the TV and Z

(01:13:17):
political editor and he was he was look I like Guyan,
I really like gone. But he was not cool that
night at all. And we were we were, you know,
we were like, you know, you're not cool, are you
and we we were standing next to him when he
went to the bar and said, I'll just put that
on on my bar tab. Guy and Espiner, TV and
Z and so when he walked away, we said, oh,

(01:13:37):
we'll just put the just put it on his bart.
We'll just put it onto the bar tab. We're with
TV and Z just put on Guyan's bar tab. And
they did. They wrung it up at the Kopthorn in
White Hongey. And I don't think anybody ever told Guyan
and now we did so anyway.

Speaker 10 (01:13:53):
That's why to get him on the show tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
That's why ant's never put clearly, I'm not going.

Speaker 10 (01:13:59):
To start on when you're when you're around here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Yeah, that's right, because this is what people do, especially
if you're a bit of a dick that night anyway,
and Guyan is not a dick, he's a lovely man.
But anyway, he did pay for it that night. Fourteen
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Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
In addition to attracting the international foreign home buyers, the
fifth rules that you've previously discussed, the FAAF rules still
outstanding putting foreigners off coming to New Zealand. Michael, thank
you that those rules are the ones about how long
you need to stay in the country or not stay
in the country in order to avoid certain taxes and stuff.
It's all the shambles by the looks of things. Eighteen
past six Now there are fears that Finance Minister Nikola

(01:15:33):
Willis might be opening a can of worms if she
lets young farmers withdraw their key we saver funds to
buy a farm. G Native Chraney is The Herald's Wellington
Business editor. Hey, you know, a hey, what's the problem?

Speaker 25 (01:15:45):
Well, you know, if you say that you can dip
into your key we savor to buy a farm, then
then where does it stop. Can you dip into your
key we saver to buy a business, or to buy cryptocurrency,
or to buy art or whatever else you think might
help set you up for your retirement? I mean, arguably
already by allowing people to use the Kiwi sabor to

(01:16:06):
buy a house a first home, you know that that
is a controversial thing. But if you start allowing farms,
then then where does it stop?

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
So could we say, okay, I mean I agree with
the distinction that's being made here because I think when
you start getting into buying herds and flocks and stuff
like that, then it's basically, why don't you buy your
first set of tools or your coffee shop or whatever.
But could you say a farm is like a house
because you can live on it.

Speaker 25 (01:16:33):
Well, I guess you could. But then you'd say, well,
if you want to live on the farm, then you
could use the exemption that exists which says you can
use your KEYW saber to buy your first home.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
So you can't live in that first home. You can't
live in it yet because you're living on somebody else's
farm and working that FuMB.

Speaker 25 (01:16:51):
Well, you know that's true. I mean the other thing
is like if I have to live in Wellington for
my work, but I want to buy a house in Auckland,
then then that's also a problem. Like if you need
to be here for work but you want to buy
your house there, then you know, then that's a problem.
So that's that's just how it works under the rules.

Speaker 11 (01:17:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I just wonder if is that potentially the thing that
needs to be eased up a little bit, that you
can live wherever you want, but your first home, wherever
it is, you're able to use key we say before.

Speaker 25 (01:17:20):
You know, look, as someone in that generation that has
struggled to get into property. You know, it's it's kind
of galling when they put these rules around things. But
I think the concern is is that if you allow
people to buy houses they don't live in, then that's
an investment property. And and you know, do we want
to be encouraging people to use their KEB savers for

(01:17:43):
investment property or do we want to help them use
their QB savers just to put a roof over their heads.
But I think this is the exact sort of debate.
You know, that would that the first time exemption has created,
but if you extend it, then it just sort of
exacerbates that debate. Now that you know that there might
be good merit and you know, the farmers would say,

(01:18:03):
we're actually it's much better for us to invest in
a farm than have our money tied up in the
share market, you know, supporting American companies. That might be true,
But the issue is here that that if you if
you tinker with KEI, we save it, which is is
meant to be a really stable scheme. You know, it
has to be stable because we're investing it in the
long term. If you tinker with it too much, people

(01:18:26):
stop trusting it and if they stop trusting it, they
don't want to invest through it. So I think that's
kind of one of the most compelling arguments that people
who don't like this idea have made.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah, hey, thank you, Jane, I really appreciate it. Janetib Trainy,
The Herald's Wellington Business Editor, six twenty one.

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Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I'm a little bit obsessed with with education at the
moment because obviously I think this happens to many young
new parents because my kids are going to start going
through the education system in a couple of years time.
I'm obsessed with them getting this right. So we're going
to talk to Sir Nick Gibb, who is the former
UK Schools Minister who turned around what they able to
do all the same kind of nonsense we are at

(01:19:16):
the moment, and he did the same stuff that Erica
Stanford's doing, So we'll talk to him about the results
that they saw. He'll be with us after half past
at six twenty four. Now it was a strong day
for Fletcher building on the ends at X company announced
it's been fielding a bit of interest for some of
its businesses. Sam Trith that we have Milford Asset Managements
with us to talk us through a day Sam good
evening header. So what do you make of the announcement?

Speaker 9 (01:19:37):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:19:38):
Yess It certainly has been a big day for the
Fletcher share price today after the news that it had
received that ongoing inbound inquiry from interested parties for some
of it's businesses, so the market took it as a
clear positive sign. The background to this is that the
new CEO, Andrew Reading, who started in September last year
and has been essentially tasked with turning the business around,

(01:20:00):
has been undertaking a review of Fittcher's division since his appointment,
reviewing what makes sense going forward and what is non
core and could be divested or sold off. The first
outcome of this last month was announced when the company said, look,
we're going to move some of our problematic Australian divisions
into integrate them into the appropriate New Zealand businesses. But
the strategic review, essentially for many listed companies, is about

(01:20:24):
really putting up a for sale sign for parts of
his business. And Andrew has been pretty cautious on his
comments about what the outcomes could be. But today to here,
look they're receiving ongoing in particular inquiry employing just not
one or two buyers, but a good level of interest.
I think really was liked by the market and there's
a signal that there is more to come. There's deals

(01:20:46):
to be done here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
So what do you think the shareholders are expecting as
outcomes from both a review and also the potential sales.

Speaker 23 (01:20:52):
So the shareholders are set to receive an update in
two weeks time, and I think at the high level
most want to see the business really refoukocus on its core,
so where the profit has been driven Australia historically in
New Zealand, building products and in distribution. And there's some
very strong, well positioned businesses within those division divisions, of
which is so the likes of Winstone, wall words, pigbacks.

Speaker 8 (01:21:13):
Et cetera.

Speaker 23 (01:21:14):
Then remove the distractions, so these are the businesses that
really are for sale, the Australian divisions which have little
or no contribution to the group in terms of synergies
and or profitability, and then get rid of some of
the lower margin risky divisions like that construction piece. So
it was interesting today to actually see buyer interests called
out for that construction division specifically within the release. So

(01:21:37):
it does have it that that division does have a
reasonable pipeline of roading and infrastructure work ahead. And I
know how much you like a road cone headed, but
it has been a clear source of clear loss of
losses and as in the courts with SkyCity at the
moment for that lawsuit read the convention center fire. So
wait for that update in two weeks that what's the market,
that is what the market's looking for, and anything along

(01:21:59):
those lines I think will be well received.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Now, I mean, obviously it's been it's been a business
that I think we could say has been is fairly beleagued.
How do you how hard do you think this task
is going to be to execute this turnaround?

Speaker 23 (01:22:12):
Not straightforward and short, and I think it will take time.
So the challenge for Andrew men as management team really
is to manage that that conflict they have around the
desire to exit and sell off the business divisions and
get get on with life essentially versus keeping the buyers
honest and make them pay a fair and reasonable price.

(01:22:34):
You know, when you do put that for sale, sign
up through a strategic review, I think often by pricing
expectations and naturally fall, so they'll be out there having
trying trying to have those conversations convinced buyers that you
know that they are not desperate sellers, that they're more
opportunistic at times. And on top of that, really I
think the economic conditions which we've all been dealing with

(01:22:56):
make the conversation not as easy in terms of the
profitability just depressed for many of these divisions that will
be up up for grabs. So like the opportunity is there,
the trade off which the management team really facing is
do do something now and potentially cheaper. We'll hold on
for a couple of years and wait for those economic
conditions to improve and try and get that better price.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Sam, good to talk to you as always. Thank you, mate,
Sam for three of Milford Asset Management. Listen. Woman had
who jag stolen in the UK cops wouldn't do anything
about it. I'll tell you that story because it's very
similar to what's going on in usual. I'll tell you
that story shortly headlines next.

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Us in ten minutes time. Talk us through that Austrian shooting. Heather.
I love your show, listen to it each night before dinner.
I haven't commented for a while, but felt compelled to
after listening to the Aussie Luxury property guy. Thank god
we have limits on foreign property buyers and investors because
I lived in Sydney for ten years working in construction
and was on a weekly basis horrified at their standards,
especially multi story buildings. Twenty four away from seven now,

(01:24:17):
the Education Minister, Erica Stanford has called on some advice
on her massive educational reforms former UK Minister of Schools.
The former UK Minister of Schools is a man called
Sir Nick Gibb. He led similar charges in the changes
in the twenty ten with huge impact on reading in
math skills, and just fifteen years ago the UK was
at the bottom of the OECD's PISA rankings. Fast forward

(01:24:39):
to today, they're now sitting fourth in the world for reading,
an eleventh for mats. Let's have a chat to sir
Nick Gibb Nick, Hello, Hello. How did you turn those
rankings around.

Speaker 12 (01:24:49):
By engaging in the sort of reforms that Erica Stamford
is implementing in New Zealand. So we introduced structural structured literacy,
which we call phonics in England, making sure children are
taught the sounds of the alphabet and how to blend
them into words. As opposed to the previous method we
had in England, whole language and so on. It really

(01:25:10):
wasn't working for too many children. So we implemented that.
We look to the to East Asia, see how maths
was taught the people at the top of the league tables,
and we basically copied and learned from those countries. We
brought that method into England. That's why we have risen
in terms of reading and in terms of maths as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Is it going to say it's going back to the
way that you or I might have learned to read
and do mets.

Speaker 12 (01:25:34):
Yes, But on top of that there's been some huge
advance advances in colative science, so we know a lot
more now about how children learn, and we've based a
lot of our reforms on that new science, scientific research,
so the importance of knowledge now has been demonstrated to
show that by having a curriculum that's knowledge rich, children

(01:25:55):
have acquired skills such as problem solving and creativity and
critical thinking in a much better way than previously educationists
have thought. And I've been visiting schools today with the
Education Minister and seen some of the effects of those
reforms in schools. So children are learning to read here
better than before, and the approach to math is far

(01:26:17):
more effective than previous methods. And we've seen in our
country how affective first methods are.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
What advice are you actually providing here?

Speaker 8 (01:26:25):
Oka?

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I mean, it seems to me she already kind of
knows what she needs to do, doesn't she?

Speaker 12 (01:26:29):
She absolutely does. When I first saw her speak in
London and realized this is a minister that really knows
what she wants to do, which is essentially a closed
attainment gap between those children disadvanced backgrounds and to make
sure that New Zealand is rising in those international details.
And that was my worry in England that we were
falling before twenty ten in those league tables, and that's

(01:26:50):
where we engage in a very significant series of reforms
in England. And now, as you said in your introduction,
we're now rising in those league tables. We're fought in
reading and eleven in maths in the world. Erica and
I have known each other for a couple of years now,
and what I've been able to do is to talk
about what worked with our reforms, but also the things

(01:27:11):
that did not go well, so that you know, Erica,
in implementing her reforms in this country doesn't need to
make the same mistakes that we made, such as what.

Speaker 8 (01:27:21):
Well the pace of.

Speaker 12 (01:27:22):
Reform, the compromises that you have to make in introducing reforms.
Those are the kind of mistakes, if you could argue,
that we made in England, and there's no need for
similar mistakes to be made when reforming in this country.
And now people are coming to New Zealand to look
at the reforms happening in this country. So the reforms

(01:27:43):
that are being implemented here are world leading and I
think you're going to have a very successful education system
in the years to come.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Do you feel that you did it too fast or
too slow?

Speaker 12 (01:27:53):
We were learning I was the minister for ten years,
and we engage in a very expensive series of reforms,
not just a math in English, but the whole curriculum
to our qualifications. We change the structure of our school
system as well. So there was a very very extensive
system of reform. But unless we had gone at pace,
and unless those reforms had been as extensive as they

(01:28:14):
had been, we would not have seen big shoes improvements
in schools in our country. And you go to any
school now in England and you'll see very effective teaching
of reading using phonics. You'll see children really understanding the
mathematics that they have been taught, and you'll meet children
who really know a lot about the cultural and history
of our country and who are deeply immersed in science.

(01:28:38):
And that wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been introducing
those reforms at pace.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
No, how on Earth, And this is a question I
have been asking on the show lately, because we have
been basically we're undoing a lot of the stupid stuff
that's been done by an education department in the last
fifty years or so. But how on if did we
go down this path where we had a perfectly good
way of teaching reading, for example, we just screwed it up.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
Well.

Speaker 12 (01:29:02):
Lots of the reforms sound very compelling and they sound
superficially attractive. Teaching a competence spaceed criculum sounds very modern
and scientific, but actually the evidence that it just doesn't work.
And I think people were taken in by by the
attractiveness of those arguments. But what we now know, we
know a lot more about how children learn about cognitive

(01:29:26):
science and we need to make sure that our curriculum,
that our teaching methods, our structure of assessment reflects the
latest scientific knowledge. And that's what we have introduced in
England and what Erica Stanford is introducing in New Zealand.
So some of it does sound very very traditional, but
actually it is based on a modern understanding of the
qualitive science.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Neck It's been very very good to talk to you.
I really appreciate your time. That soon that Gibb former
UK Minister of Schools. So in New Zealand if you
call you'll know this. In New Zealand, if you call
the cops and say, hey, and my bike has been
nicked and I I need your help finding it, no
hope in hell, right, no hope in hell. They've got
more important things to do, actual real life crime. Your

(01:30:09):
bike has gone. Same thing is happening in the UK.
They have the same problem. They just have far too
much crime and far too few cops to be able
to deal with it. This one woman has spoken to
the Telegraph about what happened to her and what she did.
She actually had her jag stolen. It was a Newish
Actually I can't remember what the jag was. Oh epace.
It was an epace. It's a very nice looking jag,
modern jag. It was outside the house. Work up the

(01:30:31):
next morning when not there thought the husband had taken No,
he hadn't.

Speaker 10 (01:30:35):
It hadn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
What they did, what they realized is they had an
air tag and maybe this is a good thing to
put in the car. They had an ear tag in
the jag and they thought, what are the chances if
we turn just go have a look. Sure enough there's
the air tag lights up. They now know where the
car is. The car is three miles down the road,
not far at all from their house, because they're in
brook Green and this house is This car is now
parked in Chiswick. So the wife and the husband get in.

(01:30:59):
They've got another car. They got a v dub Polar.
They're getting that. They drive down right. They call the
cops on the way. They say, what are we going
to do? The cops say, no, we're too busy, you know,
We'll send a patrol car. Thanks for telling us where
it is. We'll send a patrol car if we can,
but we're just we can't at the moment. So they
go to see if the car is, if they can
bring the car back themselves. They get there inside outside
completely untouched, inside, bit of a mess, ripped up carpets,

(01:31:21):
air vents, torn apart. Someone had tried to bypass the
immobilizer that they had on the carpet. It failed. As
a result, the cars now locked. They've got the keys
in their hands, but they can't get into their own
Carbo cars lock, so they call a tow truck company.
Tow truck company brings the car back. Problem sorted. But
what does that tell you? You can't rely on the
police to get your stuff back and whatever they did,

(01:31:41):
I mean, this is this is the UK we're talking about,
not New Zealand. But the same thing will happen here
at some point. So you've got to figure out how
you're going to get your own stuff back. So if
you've got something valuable like a car or a bike
or a child, maybe stick an air tag on it.
Then you can track it down and go get it
yourself off the bad guys later on sixteen where seven.

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I'm cooking dinner. I'm resting my utensils on a sucepan.
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in your draw already. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray,
UK correspondents. Will I say, Kevin, Hi, there have that right?

(01:32:35):
So Austria, I've got three days of national mourning.

Speaker 26 (01:32:37):
Yeah, yes, it's begun after a very emotional raw night
as well. In the second largest city in Austria called
Gratz yesterday, it was the scene of a shooting in
which ten people were killed and the suspect themselves then
killed themselves in the school toilets, and the area really
completely devastated by this Austrian nomally and extremely peaceful city.

(01:32:59):
So the three days of National Morning has begun and
in another hour and ten minutes the minute silence will
fall across the nation as well, marking twenty four hours
on from the moment that the killing started at this school.
The motive still remains unknown. There's a report that the
attacker left a note at his home, but we haven't

(01:33:21):
had the details of that yet. We do still know
that it looks like there are eleven people still in
the hospital, some of them critically injured, so concerned for
them of course, and a big appeal for blood within
that city as well for the hospitals running short of that.
Plus in the main square of vigil overnight of candles.
They have all gathered from around the city there right

(01:33:44):
through the night to basically show their support for those
who have been affected by this and to remember those
who have died.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Now tell me about what's going on with these UK
Foreign Office staff who raised concerns.

Speaker 26 (01:33:58):
Yes, so an open well, not an open letter. It
was a letter written by staff roughly three hundred Foreign
Office staff and sent to the Foreign Secretary, and it
basically said they called there was a quote stark disregard
for international law by Israel with their conduct in Gaza,
and they said they also profoundly disagreed with government policy.

(01:34:20):
And then the Foreign officer shot back saying, well, if
you do profoundly disagree, then you can always resign. The
Foreign Office says it's got systems in place for staff
to raise concerns and that the government had quote rigorously
applied international law in relation.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
To the war in Gaza.

Speaker 26 (01:34:39):
This government coming under a lot of pressure both from
ordinary people but from within as well, saying look, are
we actually complying legally with what we're meant to be
doing here? And also just shouldn't we be condemning Israel
more than we are. There were sanctions announced yesterday on
two ministers in the Israeli government, but something that's just
not enough. We can't stand by and see the scenes

(01:35:01):
that we're seeing on our news nightly in Gaza for
this to carry on. But this is quite a start
warning to those several servants, particularly at a time when
they're already being warned that they could really be slimmed
down in numbers under the government's drive for efficiency.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Tell your Whatgevin Laura of the German is very very
excited about the trains running from London to Germany.

Speaker 26 (01:35:22):
Are you yes, this is a really good service that
I'm hoping will come in already. Of course, we do
have our regular trains that run under the English Channel
from London and we connect to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam,
and they even go to the French Alps in the
ski season. But two new routes have been announced into

(01:35:46):
Germany and Switzerland. The travel time between London and Frankfurt
will be about five hours and five hours twenty to
go to Geneva, and there are questions over the expansion.
The firm does need to make sure it's got enough
space for more trains stepot in East London, but the
boss of Eurostar saying there's strong demand for train travel
across Europe despite higher operational costs and infleation squeezing customer budgets.

(01:36:11):
One other fact that he didn't mention there is it's
often actually cheaper now to get on a flight than
it is to go for short hauled train journeys. But
that is something which perhaps over time with the increase
in oil, might change as well. Nevertheless, there are hopes
to get these new train lines up and running by
the early twenty thirties.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Hey cool, Thank you very much, Kevin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK, corresponding, Hither,
I had all of my tools stolen from a site
during COVID. So I went to the local tool market
on the first day that it was open after lockdown
and I found all of my tools. The cops could
not attend, so I started removing my own stuff. It
escalated to violence, and the cops still didn't want to attend.
Jay's nine Away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
It's the Heather too per.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Hither, we put an air tag on my eighty two
year old mother in law when she went to Vietnam
on holiday. It worked like a charm to keep the
tabs on her pieces. Not a bad idea, I reckon.
The old ear tags are a solution to a gazillion
different problems. Don't you think like a toddler. Well, I'm
not a toddler, I mean a toddler. Gez, youve gotta
have eyes on them all the time. But if you don't,
if you don't have eyes on them and you're relying
on a near tag, you're in trouble. But a teenager,

(01:37:20):
do you know what I mean, goes out for a night,
what what ants?

Speaker 24 (01:37:25):
My mum would have loved to be able to put
an air tag on me when I was a teenager?

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Yes, yeah, would that have been a bad thing?

Speaker 10 (01:37:30):
That would terrible?

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Where would you have gone that she didn't know you?

Speaker 24 (01:37:33):
It's not the point, you know, you need your privacy
when you're a teenager. Your parents can't be, you know,
hovering over your shoulder like a hawk the entire time.
That's not it's not a healthy fanily, and I can't
see what you're doing, and they can't hear you. They
just know that you're, you know, at blah Blah's house. Well,
I mean, imagine if you catch a different bus home, right,
You're like, okay, actually the bus, the bus to Glenfield
and home is going to be slightly faster than you
get home. And Mum's going to be like, why are

(01:37:55):
you in Glenfield? Why you come straight back from Takaperna,
What are you doing out there? Who lives in Glenfield.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Heart out would have done that. My mom has tracking
on my phone. Now I'm forty one and she has
tracking on my phone and sometimes she calls me. She goes,
what's the parking like there? And You're like, oh my gosh,
leave me alone watching it.

Speaker 24 (01:38:11):
Yeah, well, I think given the technological level back in
the day when I was younger, my mom managed to
keep very good tabs on me anyway, So I dreamed
to think what she'd be able.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
To do with it now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Brad Olson. I heard Mike this morning talking about Brad
Awlson because apparently Brad turned up at the Field Days
today at six thirty cheers. I mean, man, that guy
thirsty for fun.

Speaker 18 (01:38:31):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
He was one of the first people I saw at
the Radio Woods the other night.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
I was like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yeah, I still It turns out he's a judge for
the Radio Awards. Who knew also? Then Laura tells me,
did you know that he's a JP? He's a Justice
of the Peace and sometimes he does court duty. So
there over Christmas there was one weekend where he needed
to help them clear the backlog. So Brad just turned up.
Imagine if you go to court. I mean, I don't
think that a criminal knows who Brad is.

Speaker 11 (01:38:55):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Probably not? But imagine if you did, And imagine if you're, like,
you got yourself in trouble for something minor, like a
little bit of drink driving or something like that, but
of a speed and I don't know whatever, and you
turn up in Brad's there as your JP, your magistrate
presiding over your case. How listen, how does this guy
just confounds me? How does he have time and energy

(01:39:16):
for all of this stuff? He is honestly a miracle,
isn't he. He's a miracle alive in our time. He
is like Jesus.

Speaker 24 (01:39:24):
And those are all hard jobs as well, right, like
being like a judge and like an economist and being
able to not just like baby sitting. Yeah, he's not
just working at macis or something. It's not that those
jobs aren't hard as well. I suppose Type Dangerous by
Mariah carried a players out tonight. This is a new
one from her. It is off her upcoming sixteenth album,
and then it's good news out today that that's not

(01:39:45):
going to be her last one, the number sixteen. She
has signed a multi album deal with the record label Gamma,
which are also Usher and Snoop dog As signed to
that label as well, so it's like she's going to
be doing a few things coming up.

Speaker 8 (01:39:55):
Good for her.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Ah, there we go, like Brad, lots of energy, see
you tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
Danger.

Speaker 18 (01:40:05):
Bye, well get danger, danger, Danger, and.

Speaker 25 (01:40:24):
I want to serve me.

Speaker 9 (01:40:26):
I want to.

Speaker 20 (01:40:29):
Be afraid.

Speaker 8 (01:40:33):
I've never been afraid of you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
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