Full Show Podcast: 11 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected, youth Falk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, it afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
I've got an announcement from the government on their response
to the Royal Commission and Abuse and State Care. We'll
speak to the Minister Responsible, Erica Stamford after five. Also
have a chat to the organizer of Big Hecoy about
the treaty Principal's Bill. Find out where it's at and
why they won't meet with David Seymour and Nikola Willis
with us after six.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Now, few things get under me Colin more than examples
of dumb council spending. But all Cland's Christmas tree is
not one of these examples. I mean, look, I tried,
I really tried. I did try. I looked at it.
One point three million dollars on a Christmas tree. That
should make me angry, So try to get angry about it,
but you know, I just can't. And the reason I
can't get angry about it is I just read. I

(00:56):
read through the thing, and I thought, but all of
these things make sense to me. Number one, this tree
is not a one time wonder. It's supposed to be
around for the next ten years, right, So that means
one point three million dollars split out over ten years
one hundred and thirty thousand dollars every year. Yep. To
fully understand that it's girl math's going on there, but
I think it's important context. Also, the council's not funding

(01:17):
the whole thing, It's only funding about eight hundred thousand
or thereabouts of it. So that means the annual cost
split over ten years, is now eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
There's a whole lot better, isn't it. They taking it
right down from one point three million dollars to eighty
thousand dollars a year for you. Also, half the money,
half of that eighty thousand dollars annually, is coming from
a targeted rate which is paid for by the central
city residents and businesses, which is supposed to go towards
improving the central city and making the central city more vibrant, right,

(01:45):
which is where this tree's going in the central city. Also,
and this is the most important part for me, four
hundred thousand dollars of the total cost is being funded
by private organizations. None of us are even putting out
hands in our pockets for this right, it's half of
the city. It's also precinct properties, which is a major
landholder and development. Now. I don't think either of these

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organizations or organizations that were just waste money because they
got it for free from a bunch of rate payers.
They don't go around looking for things to spend their
money on, especially a landholder like precinct properties. They're only
going to be spending money because they see value in
spending money, and the value will obviously be in getting
families down at a big spending time of the year,
down to the bottom of Queen Street, spending some dollars,

(02:27):
reminding themselves that the place was once a lovely place
and can be a lovely place again. And we do
not need to need to re litigate how hard a
time Queen Street has had of it of late, and
how much they could probably on Queen Street do with
a crowd like this, a nice crowd of nice families
coming in at a nice time to spend some money.
If there is something in this, I think that perhaps
it is that we need to remind ourselves while we

(02:49):
pick counsels apart, and frankly they do need to be
picked apart, we do need to remind ourselves that some
of the things that they spend money on still have value,
even if it is just in making a place just
a little bit nicer. So anyway, I don't like spending
council money. I don't like wasting council money. But at
Christmas time, given the state of Queen Street, given where

(03:10):
this money is coming from, I don't think that this
is an example of waste.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do you ever duper?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
SYL nine two ninety two is the text number standard
text fees on that now. But if a thing has
been going on in Parliament today, Speaker Jerry brownly has
banned and now unbanned and investigative journalists from covering the
National Apology to Survivors of Abuse and State Care at
Parliament tomorrow. Chap's name is Aaron Smayle works for Newsroom.
He had an application for accreditation to the event, initially

(03:36):
denied by the Speaker apparently there were some issues to
do with his conduct on a prior occasion, but then
after some protests by the Parliamentary Press Gallery, and Newsroom
the employer. The application will now be approved. Now Mark
Jennings is the co editor of Newsroom and with Us.
Now ho Mark, Yeah, Hi, did Jerry explain this is
a speaker? Did Jerry explain to you why he's unbanned?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Erin, he did, but we agreed to a confidential discussion
with him. But essentially, yes, it does relate to what
he thought was Aaron's conduct at some previous media conferences. Now,

(04:18):
we think at this point Jerry Brownie had probably not
really had the full story. He hadn't witnessed any of
it himselves, hadn't reviewed any tapes he was going on
to say of other people, and once we had had
to talk to him, once he had, I guess, experienced
a whole lot of pressure from other people, organizations, etc.

(04:42):
He decided to change his mind.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
So let me get this right, Max. So he's disgusted
with you, but he's asked you not to tell us
anything about the discussion. Is that right?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well that suggests to me that he's embarrassed by this,
is it?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Well, Jerry is Jerry.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I don't know whether there he is embarrassed, you know,
by anything, but I think it's you know, the issue
is when you know he gets told something by people
in the behive. You know, he's a busy man, he
can't check it out himself.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
But I mean, here's the thing. Freedom of the press
is a really important part of democracy, right. I don't
want to like a tastrophise the situation or anything, but
it's really important. And if you're going to deny the
accreditation to arguably one of the most experienced journalists in
this field, you've got to have more grounds than just

(05:39):
listening to the ninth floor having a winge about it.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Surely I totally agree you do. And this, you know,
this has not been good for journalism or freedom of
speech or any of those things. And it's really good
that it's been turned around because Aaron has basically led
the way on the story for a long time. He
is the expert on it.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
So does this call into question the speaker's independence, as in,
like he's not doing the bidding of his own party here?

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Look, I wouldn't I wouldn't say that, but I think
it just required more thoughts than perhaps he gave it
in the first place.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Okay, now is did Aaron maybe push it a little
bit far with Karen Shaw. I haven't heard this, so
I'm relying on doing exactly the same thing as Jerry.
I'm relying entirely on you here. Did he push it
a bit?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Well?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Look it, I wouldn't think. I don't think so, to
be honest, Aaron, Look, his questioning was quite aggressive and unforgiving.
I think there are plenty of ministers that you know,
if it had been Winston or someone like that, that
would have just been water off a duck's back. Maybe

(07:00):
Baron is a little bit more sensitive to this. There
was one particular thing that I guess slightly upset Aron,
and it was when Act referenced in terms of boot camps,
referenced the Marii Battalion. And I think that really upset
Erin because you know, the Maray Battalion has a special

(07:22):
place in our history and to sort of link it
with boot camps that was not a good call by
Act and that was what kind of led to if
you like emotions rising.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Okay, Mark, thank you for talking to us. I really
appreciate your time. I know you're a busy man dealing
with a lot today. That's Mark Jennings Newsroom co editor.
So when we heard that Aaron Smail had been banned,
and that the explanation that he'd originally been banned was
because of his previous conduct on one occasion specifically, we
went back to have a look.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I don't know if that was a reference to the
occasion with the Prime Minister or the occasion with Karen Shaw,
because there were he was at two press conferences where
he got stuck in. Don't know anything about what happened
with Karen Shaw was entirely reliant on Mark Jennings there.
But the press conference with the Prime Minister was July
twenty four And this is it Is.

Speaker 8 (08:11):
This going to lead you to rethink you're on games
giving it? Many of game members are victims.

Speaker 9 (08:17):
Well, what I'd say to you is what it has
led us to do is to say sorry.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
Can you say to the game members? What would you
say to them?

Speaker 9 (08:24):
Well, look, I understand many game members that come from
very dysfunctional upbringings. I get that, but also we can't
have gang members causing pain and suffering.

Speaker 10 (08:32):
But answer sorry, sir.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
It is a volume on the connection, Yes, homes and games.

Speaker 11 (08:36):
Can you I've read that.

Speaker 10 (08:37):
Specause of that that's not that bad is it?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I mean you can handle that if you're the Prime Minister,
can't you? Quarter past?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Who will take the White House?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Results and analysis of the US election on Heather Duplessy,
Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Get connected News Talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Sport with the new tab app Download Today eighteen bed Responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Jason Pine and sports store coasters of US Piney, Hello,
hello head. How good were the All Blacks then? Eh?

Speaker 12 (09:07):
I thought they were good. I thought they were really good. Yeah,
now good on the may I you know, Ireland were
beating their chests, weren't they and playing the cranberries and
Johnny Sexton was winging and whining right up until the
start of the game and probably during it as well.
I thought they played well. I thought Ireland were below par,
looked like a team that hadn't played for a few months.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
And that was the case.

Speaker 12 (09:26):
But it was the pressure that All Blacks applied to them,
particularly in the last twenty minutes. I think they're really
told so yeah. Big test by Damien Mackenzie, Big test
by Usafua Moore. I think they were two of the
players who the spotlight perhaps were shining brightest on and
they delivered. I thought it was a really really good performance.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So what has happened to the All Blacks because the
last two tests have been pretty convincing for the last
twenty minutes a which has been the thing. Remember at
the start of RAS's tenure, we were like, what happens
in the last twenty minutes? What if they managed to
do well?

Speaker 12 (09:55):
I think maybe they've just taken and I hate this phrase,
taken the learnings from what's happened. They clearly we could
all see something was going wrong in the last twenty minutes.
They've just, for whatever reason, worked it out. And look,
maybe we should have expected some teething problems under a
new coaching group. You know, I know Rays has been
extremely as successful as Crusader's head coach, but it's a

(10:17):
different group of players, a different environment, all that sort
of thing. So maybe it's taking a bit of time.
And we always say, don't we that you know, the
World Cup's the thing, and you know this year might
have been sort of just a building block towards it. Well,
the building blocks are looking nice and firm at the
back end of the year. Beat France next year, next
week rather either and all of a sudden. They've won
three tests that a lot of people thought they would

(10:38):
lose all three of us. So you've got a hand
it to the minute.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And has Damien the boot McKenzie proved himself to you?

Speaker 12 (10:44):
Oh yeah, I thought he had a good test. I'd
still be picking Boden Barrett next week. You know, I
like Damien McKenzie a lot.

Speaker 11 (10:49):
I do.

Speaker 10 (10:49):
I really like him.

Speaker 12 (10:50):
I think he proved you know that he can control
a rugby Test from first five. I still love him
coming off the bench in the last twenty minutes as
an impact player. I think of Bowden's foot, he missed
this one because of concussion. I think you bring him back.
I think you probably bring Cody Taylor back as well,
even though Sam was very good. So it's good to
have the selection headaches.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, what about Steven Elker?

Speaker 12 (11:10):
This is so good over fifty, over fifties the PGA
Champions Tour, there's hope for well for me anyway, yet, Well,
I'd have to get good at golf. He has in
the last twenty four hours won one point seven million
New Zealand dollars for winning the PGA Champions Tour overall
season long title. He's been playing on this tour for
the last four years, Heather, he's won seventeen million New

(11:33):
Zealand dollars.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
What does he does he do we know this? Does
he have flash houses? Does he drive him as a Rahsi?

Speaker 10 (11:41):
What if I had that money?

Speaker 12 (11:42):
I think he's pretty understated, as most kiwis are, but
he's just he's found his niche.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
You know, he was.

Speaker 12 (11:47):
He was a good solid pro, you know, on the
on the you know, I don't think he meant he
might have played PGR Tour, I can't really remember, but
the Champions Tour for a guy who's clearly found his
sweet spot. Man, seventeen million dollars, three or four years
in your fifties, give me some of that, give me
some of the love.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
It Piney, Thank you very much. That's Jason Pine sports
talk host seven o'clock tonight. Unfortunately, won't be like good
enough at golf to be leaving by seven o'clock tonight,
so we'll still have him. So Steven Alker, Yeah, got
he finished second in the championship today. This is the
Charles Sharb Chwabe Championship. So he's the overall winner of
the year's champions tour. He almost got first place in

(12:26):
that Cup Championship today as well. His final put was
just short of sending him to a tie break against
the winner.

Speaker 13 (12:33):
Get it, ye, it'll be a car at the last
disaccording reaction for Steven Alker.

Speaker 14 (12:42):
Bernhard Lager is going to secure his forty seventh victory
on the champions Tour.

Speaker 10 (12:48):
Pretty nice consolation for Steven Alker, who will be crowded
the Season one championship.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Oh my gosh, life goals. Hey, by the way, here's
a consolation prize to you if you're not a I
don't know, winning two point one million in golf in
a year. If you are single, happy single, has Singles
Day to you. A Singles Day today, the eleventh of
the eleventh, And basically what this has come out of China,
and it's a day that honors people who are not
in a romantic relationship, which I think, by in and

(13:14):
of itself, is actually like that's pretty good. You don't
have other people, you don't have to compromise. You don't
have other people leaving the toilet seat watchever way you
don't like. You don't have other people being dicks at
the dishwasher not stacking it properly. You don't have other
people snoring it. You're like, what, I don't even know
why we need to celebrate your life because your life
is great, but anyway we are. And so today you're

(13:35):
supposed to celebrate for yourself by going out shopping for yourself.
So go and do that for twenty three the.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Name you trust to get the answers you need have
the dupless allan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and youth talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Singles Day here the OMG are you're joking? The eleventh
of the eleventh is Armissist Day? Well does that as well,
but you're gonna have to share it now with the singles,
aren't you. They're always hogging things, the singles, aren't they?

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Now?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Hither the best day for us Singleton's is the fifteenth
of February when the chocolate's are half priced. But mate,
that's the best day for everybody as well, because we
all know about that, don't we. Now listen to the
Prime Minister's post cabinet press conference. They are talking about
the formal apology for the abuse in state care, which
is going to happen tomorrow, and survivors have been pretty
critical of this apology because they reckon it's going to

(14:22):
be completely meaningless without any compo or redress.

Speaker 9 (14:26):
I appreciate that for people tomorrow they would love to
have all the answers, and I would too, But the
reality is that we need to work through a very
complex set of recommendations that are often quite layered and
often interface with each other in quite a complex way,
and it's important that we get it right.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Our government is introducing a few law changes to try
to make it better for people who are currently in
state care so they don't stuffer the same kind of
abuse as they did as people did you know that
we're trying to deal with now the historic stuff, so
strip searches, the kids in childcare and care has gone,
new search powers for people visiting, strengthening restrictions for people
working with young kids, better record keeping, amending the Crimes

(15:02):
Act to include disability and the definition of a vulnerable adult,
and so on. Are we're going to have the Minister
Erica Stanford with us after five We spoke last week
just to Trump really quickly. We spoke last week about
Trump choosing the first woman in history to be his
chief of staff in the White House, which is pretty momentous.
That's Susie Wiles, who was his campaign manager this time around.
Interesting article in CNN over the weekend about why she

(15:25):
is the business and why she's got this chief of
staff job. Susie Wiles apparently wasn't sure that she actually
wanted the job at all, so she said to Trump
she would only take it on some conditions. Now this
is a spark lady a because she watched what happened
last time and she's like, hmm, set up to fail,
So she says she wants some conditions. At the top
of her list apparently was more control over who can
actually get to see the prime the president sorry, in

(15:47):
the Oval office, because what happened during the first term
is that people just like wandered in, so family members, friends,
other interlopers and formal advisors and just randoms. They just
came in. And the problem with Trump is that he
is as good as the last person he spoke to,
so that's his new idea as the last person. And
she was like, I'm not dealing with that stuff. So

(16:08):
she's going to try and keep people away, and I reckon,
she looks no nonsense headlines.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Next on your smart speaker on the iHeart app and
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Speaker 1 (16:21):
And news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
On Stephen Alcare Here. The Stephen Alpha was a hopeless
pro who earned an average of about fifty thousand US
dollars every year on the PGA. No top tens, top
twenty fives or wins. He gets the seniors too, suddenly
unstoppable against all the major winners and really good golfers.
It's unbelievable. There's hope for Russell. That's what I'm taking
from that. Oliver Peterson is with us very shortly, and
Barry Sober in ten minutes time. This is weird. Okay,

(16:52):
there is a problem with the seagulls in christ Chuche,
but in a particular part of christ chuch It's one
end of New Regent Street. There's it looks like maybe
some demolished or you know, not replaced buildings. There's a
bit of a carnage going on there, and it looks
like maybe the seagulls are starting to do all their
nesting and the buildings and stuff, and so there are
so many of them. Now they've got really cocky and

(17:14):
people apparently who are sitting at nearby cafes are getting
dive bombed by the seagulls that apparently are so brave
we'll just dive bomb right down and take the food
off your plate, just go for a children stand no
chance at all. It's just like sitting ducks for the
dive dive bombing seagulls. Here's the weird thing about it.
This is the weirdest thing. There's nothing anyone can do

(17:35):
about it until nesting finishes early next year because the
birds are protected by the Wildlife Act. Since when a
seagulls protected by anything, seagulls arehead he is They're like,
it's like protecting rats. It's like rats with wings. Like,
be honest with yourself, is there anything that absolutely cuts
your lunch at Christmas time in summer? Then a seagull

(17:57):
just you're just having a nice time on the beach,
and then like those guys aggressive eight like even if
you're like, okay, i'll be nice to you. So did
this the other day, so I'll be nice to you.
I'll give you a little bit of Bridian like Agroaz
just fighting with each other fighting with you. It's like
basically feeding the mngrol mob. It's not a fun time. Now,
Why are we protecting these things? Get rid of them anyway.

(18:18):
Talk to one of the cafe owners nearby. She's not
happy about it. I can understand that she'll be with
us quarter past five right now, it's twenty two away.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
From it's the world wires on news talks. They'd be
drive so.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
The Washington Posts reporting that Donald Trump and Potent have
had their first phone conversation since the election, and according
to the report, Trump warned Potty not to escalate things
in Ukraine. Biden has also invited Trump to the White
House for a meeting. A National security advisor, Jack Sullivan
says Ukraine will be discussed there.

Speaker 15 (18:46):
President Biden will make the case that we do need
ongoing resources for Ukraine beyond the end of his term,
because the threat to Ukraine will remain no matter what
exactly happens on the battlefield or at the negotiating table,
and the United States not walk away from its commitment.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Can Charles's lead commemorations for remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph
in London. Quin Camilla had to stay home because she
has a chest infection. But Prince William and Princess Kate
were also there, and a Royal Marine's major says it
was an honor to be on parade in front of
the royal family.

Speaker 16 (19:15):
When I think of remembrance, I think of all those
who didn't make it home.

Speaker 13 (19:19):
But also their families who continue to endure the lot
of that loved one.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now, finally, do you remember the forty three lady monkeys
I was telling you about last week who escaped from
the risk? Who have that monkeys? I supposed to that
escape from a research facility in South Carolina? While the
girls Night on the Town actually became quite a large
girl's weekend in the end. Four days after the breakout,
only one of the monkeys has been recaptured. Forty two

(19:44):
of them are still out there telling a party. CEO
of the research lab says the fugitive monkeys are mostly
hanging out near the facility and some are even popping
back to say hello to their friends that are still
in captivity.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance surveyed for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Business Oliver Peterson sixty hour Perth Life Presenters with us. Hey, Ollie, hey, Heather. Okay,
So the cop I mean, geez, I've forgotten about this.
But the cop who tasted the ninety four year old
ninety five year old is now on triumfled manslaughter and
the manslaughter trialer started.

Speaker 13 (20:16):
Yeh, it has started. So this happened in Kerma last year.
You may remember Senior Constable Christian Whites. He's pleaded not
guilty out of the manslaughter of Claire Nolan's. Now, this
was in an age care home. He arrived at the scene.
She has suffered symptoms, she's got dementia. She was moving
around the agecare home with her four wheeled walker frame

(20:38):
and she couldn't be located by the police when they
arrived just before five o'clock that morning. When they founder,
she was in the administration building, sitting and holding a knife. Now,
she did not say anything when she was spoken to.
She stood up from her chair, she moved slowly towards
the door with her walker holding the knife, and then
she's tased. Now she's obviously died as a result of

(20:59):
the tasering. I think a ninety five year old woman
who needs a walker frame holding a knife might not
necessarily be. I wasn't there obviously, Heather. But I don't
think you're going to be too threatened if you're a
police officer. This is obviously all going to court. I
mean he's saying he's done what he was meant to do,
He's done what he was trained to do. But we'll
obviously here in this case and he'll plead not guilty.
It'll be fascinating to hear the circumstances of exactly why

(21:21):
he decided to discharge that taser.

Speaker 10 (21:23):
It's expected to now last for two to three weeks.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
The poles aren't looking good for Albo, are they.

Speaker 10 (21:29):
No, he's in strife. He's in big strife. And there's
a few different poles which are out today.

Speaker 13 (21:33):
But the nuts and bolts of it are that now
Peter Dutton is the preferred Prime Minister to Anthony Albanesi.
And that is the first time in all of the
polling that's been done since albot was Prime Minister that
Dutton's personal popularity is now surging ahead of Anthony Albanesi.

Speaker 10 (21:49):
So the PM has got a lot of work to do.

Speaker 13 (21:51):
And I see you already today if he got the
Treasurer Jim Chalmers out softening up the Australian public saying, look,
inflation was on its way down.

Speaker 10 (21:58):
We were hoping interstrates were going to be cut.

Speaker 13 (21:59):
But that Trump's the president of the US, are you
know our economic plans, you know, going.

Speaker 8 (22:04):
To the bin?

Speaker 10 (22:04):
Well I don't think that's going to fly with Australians.

Speaker 13 (22:07):
And I think a lot of the scenario that we
saw in the US election last week head about. You know,
the fact interest rates are up, inflations going up. You
can't put a roof over your head. Governments of the
day will say, you know, there's so much we can do,
but that's what's going to kick you out of office.

Speaker 10 (22:21):
People are going to vote with their feet. So look,
this is fascinating.

Speaker 13 (22:24):
Peter Dutton, I've got to say as an opposition leader,
he has been on message, very effective, very callous since
it was his entire shadow ministry team.

Speaker 10 (22:32):
So brace yourselves with this one.

Speaker 13 (22:34):
I think elbow runs till May and he will call
the election after the Western Australian election where I am
because Labor will still absolutely walk it in and he'll
be here on the night of the election in March
the eighth, twenty twenty five holding the hand of the
WA Premier Roger Cook. And then the next day he'll go,
let's go to the polls and let's keep that momentum going,
and the wister Australians and say, mate, your mate is

(22:54):
just vote yes.

Speaker 10 (22:55):
I don't want to go vote again in five weeks.
Bugger off.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Tell me something, Ollie. I mean, I'm prize that Peter
Dutton is doing so well in the polls because if
there's anything he reminds me of, it's Lord Voldemort. And yeah,
and I just wonder like saying that you prefer him
to Elbow is one thing, but when it actually comes
to ticking his name and choosing Voldemort as your prime
minister's that's really gonna happen.

Speaker 13 (23:17):
Well, well, at the moment, if the polls are right,
I think that you've got to remember, you know, the
government has only three year terms obviously here in Australia,
and Albin Easy spent the first twelve months talking about
the voice and how important the voice was going to be,
and then it didn't get up. In the meantime, again,
people can't repay their mortgages, they can't even in w
hate the moment, you can't even find a roof to

(23:38):
put over your head.

Speaker 10 (23:39):
So I think there's a lot of that hold on,
what did you do?

Speaker 13 (23:42):
Like you've just squandered a year on something now that
you know you highlighted as the most important issue, which
absolutely it was. Now he doesn't want to talk about
anything to do with Indigenous affairs in Australia because you
know it's the backlash. So if it was so important
eighteen months ago, why isn't it any important today?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
No fair point. Listen, what the hell is going on
with Reaguan? She says Friday that she's retiring, and then
she turns up at the Tones and I concert in
front of all of these people in Melbourne on Saturday.
What's up?

Speaker 10 (24:06):
She says? I'm never going to stop. She's going to continue.
You know something really funny here.

Speaker 13 (24:09):
That is a brief aside. I was in the high
school musical with Raygun and I only found out last week.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (24:16):
She went to my school and I didn't know this.
She's the year below me.

Speaker 13 (24:19):
I was, of course the Pirate King and the Pirates
of Penzance. Would you believe because I'm also a triple
for it. She was one of the daughters and someone said,
you know Rachel Gun. I was like, no, I don't
know Rachel Gun. I said, Raygun. Evan knows Reagun.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
She went to my high school and she was one
of the and I went back through the program and
I found her.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Can you see her in there?

Speaker 10 (24:35):
Yeah, you can see her in there. You can see
me in there. I know Reygun and I didn't know
An you Reagan now and Philly farras gess.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
We're going to double the amount? What if we pay you?
And I don't know that we do for what you
bring to the show, but if we do, we've got
to double it because you are famous.

Speaker 13 (24:49):
Well you know, there you go, Raygun, and maybe Raygun
and I could come and do something for you in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Hey, you got to head her up. You've got to
be like, yo, what's up. It's only from blah blah school.

Speaker 10 (24:58):
Yeah, correct, Mada, Yeah, she's back, she's gone nowhere. Maybe
she'll come into a New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Well jeez, why not. I mean she's bizarre and completely
unpredictable like Trump, So maybe she will. Oliver, thank you,
Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life Present. Yeah, so she
turns up at the Stones and Eye concert, which is
a big show. And this is literally the day after
saying she's retiring and us being like, yeah, fair enough, No,
I mean you were terrible. It's okay that you retire.
Turns out pulls out the kangaroo, and actually her comic

(25:26):
timing on the kangaroo was, frankly out the gate was
pretty good. But she's all over the show. And if
there's one thing I think, if there's one thing we're
starting to learn about ray Gun, is that this girl
knows how to get publicity a burg time quarter to.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers, and get payments.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Certainty, very so.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Pre senior political correspondence with us. Hey Barry, good afternoon Hill. Okay, So,
I mean, have the survivors of abuse in state care
got a point that apologizing without dealing with the redress
is kind of getting they should be done at the
same time.

Speaker 17 (25:55):
Well, this thing's been going on for six years the
Royal Commission and the government took it over. And what
Chris Luxin has said in his post cabinet news conference
that's just finished. He said that compensation will be part
of the budget next year's budget, but it's making provision

(26:17):
for don't forget Lake Alice. Some Lake Alice patients who
were tortured, they got twenty thousand dollars and the point
that Luxon did say was that money is not going
to cure the harm that was done and it's not
so tomorrow it will be just about an apology. But

(26:38):
after that there will be a bill introduced to the
House immediately. And apparently one of the big bug bears
of patients that went through the system was strip searches,
particularly of children and care. They will be outlawed in
this new law that will be read for the first
time after the apology has made, so they'll be the
first reading and it'll go then to a Select committee.

(27:01):
But survivors expecting anything more than an apology tomorrow will
be disappointed. Compensation, like I said, Chris Luckson says, won't
come immediately tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (27:12):
Our focus is solely on the apology and we are
expecting around two hundred survivors at Parliament and a further
one thousand people watching via livestream events in Auckland, Wellington
and christ Church. And I know there is nothing I
can do or say that we'll ever make up for
what survivors can endure it, but I do hope that
in some small way the apology might help with their healing.

(27:33):
As we have said, the government will progress further decisions
on our response to the recommendations in the report throughout
twenty twenty five, including our plans around financial redress.

Speaker 17 (27:44):
It's a really difficult one, isn't it, because how do
you arrive at a sum how do you decide who
was treated more poorly than others. It's a very complex issue,
there's no doubt about that, and that was made pretty
clear by the Minister responsible Lyricus stand for them and
also the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, Mark Jennings was on before. He couldn't tell us
why Jerry Brownly had unbanned his journal because he promised
not to tell on Jerry, can you explain what's going
on here?

Speaker 17 (28:13):
Well, look, this is a very difficult one. Essentially, the
Prime Minister has said that his office and other officers
in the Beehive had complained about Aaron Smile's behavior. It's
not just in questioning it was, and this is what's

(28:33):
sort of every theory about it. We don't know what
the behavior was. Essentially, Jerry Brownie, what he would say,
I think is that he tried to contact newsroom after
the gallery approved the accreditation. It's temporary accreditation for the
apology tomorrow, and Aaron Smaile has done a lot of

(28:53):
work on it and certainly with survivors of the state care.
And eventually Jerry Brownly apparently tried to contact newsroom. They
didn't contact them back, didn't return his calls. And it
seems that today after he had made the band, because
he had had these complaints to deal with, then the

(29:16):
contact was made by a newsroom and the band was lifted.
That's as I understand it. But look, if it was
questioning that god and band, you'd have to say what
were they? What did they have to complain about? Have
a listen?

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Is this going to lead you to rethink your cos
on games given that many of game members are victims?

Speaker 9 (29:35):
Well, what I'd say to you is what it has
led us to do is to say gaming sorry.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
Can you say to the game mbers? What would you
say to them?

Speaker 11 (29:41):
Well?

Speaker 9 (29:41):
Look, I understand many game members that come from very
dysfunctional upbringings. I get that, but also we can't have
game members causing pain and suffering.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
But sorry is a volume on the connection homes.

Speaker 17 (29:54):
And read the see that's simply hectoring and I remember.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Muldoon, that's not even hectory.

Speaker 17 (30:03):
Well it's you know, it's basically stragetic questions. So but
lux and he told journalists there were issues that have
been discussed with newsroom now about the journalist's behavior, and
that's why it was raised with the Speaker.

Speaker 9 (30:16):
There's a number of issues that have been raised from
not just my team but also from staff from other
offices as well that we're reflected in conversations with newsroom
and as a result, you know, that's up to them
to determine how they might want to handle that behavior.
But for us old whatever, the Speaker of sites is
fine by me, So.

Speaker 17 (30:33):
There you go. I mean, it's sort of up in
the air. You don't know why now the band was
really imposed what was said by Beehive officers. But you know,
the case of a journalist ever being banned by the
Speaker at Parliament is so rare. Yeah, like I said,
it happened to me in the eighties with Muldoon, and
the Speaker wanted me to apologize to Muldoon, which I

(30:55):
didn't do. But then the snap election was called Tom
Scott of course, was banned by the speed by well Maldoon,
recommended to speaker by him many was. So it's very
very rare that it ever ever happens. And I think
probably Jerry's reflecting on this and maybe newsroom will come

(31:15):
back and give a better explanation than what they've given
hitherto Barry.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Thank you very much, very Soper, senior political correspondence given
away from five putting the.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the make asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (31:27):
This protest which may or may not turn out to
be a thing this week. Police Minister Mark Mitchell's will.

Speaker 19 (31:31):
Us week and with the organized as well in advance
is equipment by them that it's going to be a
peaceful boy. People have got the right to come out
and participate in this protests.

Speaker 18 (31:39):
Have you had a word with David Seymour, because of
course you're in charge of this and this is something
that's going to die at the first round anyway. Therefore
there's a lot of energy going into something that's going nowhere.

Speaker 19 (31:47):
You're talking about the Trees Principles, Well, I.

Speaker 18 (31:49):
Mean, yeah, the reason they're marching is the Treaty principles
bills going off DATD Thursday's going up to Selectrim and
he's going to die from there because you haven't got
the support. They're marching for something that isn't going to happen.

Speaker 19 (31:57):
Well, yes, so it's just being related to the trees
bul Yes, you're right, and it's not going any further.

Speaker 18 (32:02):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the rain drover of the larm used talk z B hither.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I'm astounded at the suggestion that there may be degrees
of compensation. Abuse is abused, just as pain is what
the person says it is. Let's hope all those abuse
receive the same in this context. It's all ugly. No,
it doesn't quite work like that. So, I mean, if
you think about it, for example, like if I mean,
if somebody has been subjected to weird injections and electric
shock treatment, I think you know, over let's say a

(32:32):
period of I don't know, let's say ten years. Okay,
I don't know. This is not I'm not saying that
this is what happened. I'm just plucking this out right.
Let's just say that that happened. That person is surely
entitled to more compensation. Than someone who got smacked in
the face once. Do you know what I mean? There
are degrees of harm and degrees of bad behavior. That's
why we have torture and a category of its own.
So it will it will, there will be different kinds

(32:52):
of money attached to it. Anyway, We'll keep an eye
on that because it is complicated. We're going to talk
very shortly, so we're going to talk to Erica Stanford
who was with us, next and after that we're going
to talk to the chap who is organizing the national
One of the chaps who is organizing the National hikoy
on the Treaty Principal's Bill, interestingly, has declined to meet
with David Seymore. David Cema was like, yep, I'll meet
with them when they come to Parliament. He's like, nap,

(33:14):
not at the beck and call of David Seymour. Well, then,
kind of what's the point because you're actually gonna you're
actually gonna front, you can shoot front the guy who's
responsible for this law. So we'll ask him why he's
not going to do that, and then yeah, we're dealing
with the seagulls. Big time news talk, said b.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
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Speaker 1 (33:45):
As said b.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Afternoon. So the apology for past abuse in state care
is tomorrow, but before that, today the governments announced a
bunch of law changes which are designed to protect people
in state care right now. So they'll band strip searches
of children and youth justice facilities, create harsher restrictions for
people who work with kids, and enforce better record keeping
by government agencies. Also, and wants to classify disabl people

(34:09):
as vulnerable adults, meaning they'll have access to better services now.
Erica Stanford is the lead Coordination Minister for the government's
response to abuse and state care and with us. Hey Erica, Hey,
good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Erica.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
I appreciate that the point of this thing is to
try to keep kids safer, but isn't there a case
for strip searching some of these kids, given some of
them will be quite serious offenders.

Speaker 20 (34:29):
One of the things that the Royal Commission talked about
in some of the stories that it went through was
the indignity of the searchers and how inappropriate and rough
they were potentially with members of their wrong sex and
all sorts of things.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
It was not good.

Speaker 20 (34:44):
It only actually happens a very few cases, but it
was something that we wanted to move to make sure
that it wouldn't happen in the future, and instead we'd
be putting in place individual search plans where young people
knew what was going to happen and they had more
control all over how old happened.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
So what do you do in a case where you've
got a really serious young offender and some of them
are who has been taken into a youth justice facility
and there is a concern that they have hidden contraband
like a weapon or something in a place that they
can now not be searched, And what do you do.

Speaker 20 (35:17):
Well in the future, Minister Chore and you can talk
to her more about this is looking to use full
body scanners, which would replace any reason to have to.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Do a search.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Okay, how long are they? How far away are they?

Speaker 20 (35:32):
Oh, you have to ask her about the detail. Well,
I'm the overseeing minister.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I don't have all of the detail of because, because
I mean, you run the risk at the moment of
doing something that looks good but actually puts people at risk. Right.

Speaker 20 (35:45):
Well, actually the bigger risk is people who are coming
in with contraband. So you'll see as part of the
changes in the legislation that we are moving to be
able to search people who are coming in, so staff
members and contractors and family members and people who are
coming in. Because actually, in the last months they found
three hundred and fifty pieces of contraband, including weapons.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
So how do we know that the kids are the
ones taking the contraband, including the weapons in.

Speaker 20 (36:12):
Well, we're only doing a handful at the moment of
those searches anyway, But just that alone is recording to
the Well, well, we're looking at, you know, three hundred
and fifty pieces of contraband in the last six months
with the people who are coming in, and that's going
to make the biggest difference.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Right did your office was your office? What are the
officers that complained about that newsroom? Do you know who's
banned today his behavior?

Speaker 20 (36:36):
No, I haven't made any complaints about mister smell.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Do you know anything about his behavior? What is it
that's got everybody so worked up?

Speaker 20 (36:43):
Look, you've got to have to ask a Prime minister
about that. I just know that there was some behavior
that has happened on a number of occasions that has
been brought up with newsroom that they haven't acknowledged or
done anything about, and that was just raised with the speaker.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
So this is like, is it like physical threats? Is
it stuff outside of the conference?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
What is it?

Speaker 20 (37:01):
Look, it's not something that I've ever been involved in
or been around it. I just know that there was
some inappropriate behavior.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Okay, hey, by the way, just kind of unrelated to this.
But because you're the immigration minister, I see Candice Owens,
who's that controversial speaker, has had her gig postponed. Do
you know where where where you guys are at with
her visa?

Speaker 20 (37:19):
I do know that her gig has been moved I
think to early next year. That means that the immense
pressure and Immigration is Zealand to look at it in
a speedy way is now off and they will just
process it and look, it is a matter for them.
They've got rules and processes that they worked her, and
it would be an appropriate for me to get involved.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
But was it because of But was it because of
visa processing at our end? And not nothing to do
with Australia, but it was a New Zealand visa problem
that caused us to happen course.

Speaker 20 (37:44):
Her to shift her I have not been told that
the reason that she's moved her her gig has got
anything to do with the visa processing time.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
All right, Erica, thank you as always. It's Erica Stanford
Minister obviously read the State abuse care and also in
the now, the nine day National HIKOI, opposing David Siema's
Treaty Principal's Bill, has started its journey to Parliament's grounds.
Police preparing for twenty five thousand people. Protest organizers are
hoping for forty thousand. HIKOI leader Eru Kapakini is with
me now, Eru, Yeah, Connor, where are you guys at

(38:16):
in the country.

Speaker 11 (38:18):
We're just north of Falgan at the moment. But I
just want to make a few corrections of sequois and
about the treaty principles. Though it's about tvty or White
tonguey and that's not a protest, that's an activation of
TV marty.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Oh, so what are you talking about? The treaty for.

Speaker 11 (38:34):
Begaether it's a constitutional document that protects the man, but
also as well allowed non Mary to make a home here.
And we're reminding everyone that lives on these lands of
that truth and standing in that power and that Mama
through every step of the sequoy.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
It's got nothing at all to do with the Treaty Principal's.

Speaker 11 (38:51):
Bill, not nothing, but a very minor part, because the
Treaty Principal's Bill is but a bleink of an eye
in the pursuit of and it's really just a symptom
of along how ignorance around the truth obtort to your
white thinging. And so that's all were reclaiming. We're not reacting,
but we are responding. But that plays a very little part.

(39:14):
And the sequey and the sequeys as the platform for deeper,
meaningful change in for but also all people's to be
able to live on the land and truly thrive in
the land where no one has left behind.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Cool. Okay, So is that why you're not meeting with
David Seamore because it's actually not about his build this,
it's just about general good vibes around the treaty.

Speaker 11 (39:37):
Well, I think that's oversimplifying it. Talking about general good vibes.
This is the manner of my ancestors. I mean this
is a mana that.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, but is that why you're not meeting with David sewink.

Speaker 11 (39:48):
I haven't been asked to meet with David seymore so,
I don't know why there would be an insinuation that
I've refused any invite.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I didn't I hear you this morning on the radio
saying you don't want to be at as beacon call.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
No.

Speaker 11 (39:59):
The question was whether I would consider an invitation to
meet with him, and I said no, Well I haven't
actually invited to.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Speak with him.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, how many people are you hoping to get a million? Okay? Ero,
thank you, good luck? Ero KAPPAKINGI HEKOI leader, fun guy
coming up? Fourteen past together due for ce Ellen Crown
Observer appointed to Wellington City Council. Who is it Lindsay
McKenzie Now Lindsay McKenzie is going to be starting thirteen

(40:29):
November on Wednesday. Lindsay is a bloke, by the way,
in case you're wondering, Former Chief Executive Officer Tasman District Council,
Gismond District Council, Significant governance and senior and leadership experience
a local government which is good when in Bakago City Council.
This is Simeon Brown's press release, just hot off the press,
like literally two minutes ago, was facing governance issues. Mister
mackenzie was called upon as an external appointee to support

(40:52):
its governance performance improvement program. He also has strong financial acumen,
which is reflected in his current appointment as an independent
member of the Nelson City Council Risk and Finance Committee.
So he's got a lot of experience which he will
need because Wellington City Council is a cot case And
if you haven't caught up on the latest thing that's happened,
I'll run you through that before this hour is finished.
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Speaker 3 (42:20):
Okay, eighteen past five. Now, apparently the seagulls been talking
to you about The seagulls are a major problem in
christ Church, particularly around New Region Street. They've been there
for five years, been nesting in the foundations of a
nearby demolished building. Now that's causing havoc for the local
cafes and restaurants because the birds dive bombing the customers
and stealing food off the tables and living their poop
absolutely everywhere. Bell Cafe is on New Regent Street and

(42:42):
its manager Casey Alderson, it's with us now, Hey, Casey, Hi,
this sounds horrific. Are they actually dive bombing the kids?

Speaker 11 (42:50):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Yeah, basically, so if there's any food scraps anywhere, they
will immediately dive bomb and take whatever they can get.
But also small children don't freak them out that much,
so they're not hesitant to swoop down in front of
a small child and take whatever they have in front
of their play Also no, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Is this I mean, is this getting worse? Do you
think it's a trend of it getting worse or is
it a little bit like a mast season, like every
now and again, just get a really bad year and
then it kind of goes back to normal.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
I believe that it's getting worse because the seagulls migrate
to the same place every year to nest, and so
because they've been in the area the last couple of years,
they just keep coming back and bringing everyone else with them.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Okay, now is it weird to you that the council
can do nothing about this because seagulls are protected.

Speaker 11 (43:36):
Ah.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
Yeah, So the seagulls are protected from their nesting season,
which is October through to February, so for the rest
of the year, something can be done about it.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, what do you want done about it? Casey?

Speaker 7 (43:48):
Well, ideally I would really love for the seagulls to
be back within nature or go towards the water, or
just kind of be out of urban area.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
How do you get a seagull to go back towards
the water? Do you just go stand there going go
that way? That way?

Speaker 20 (44:02):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (44:03):
I wish it would be that simple. But yeah, we
need to kind of put a proportion in place so
the next year when they come around to ness, they
can go somewhere that isn't among hospitality businesses.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
You do?

Speaker 5 (44:13):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Put up some knitting?

Speaker 7 (44:17):
Yeah, well, there's a whole bunch of preventative measures that
we can try to put into place, but we have
been dealing with us for the last four years so
so far nothing we've thought of has actually worked. So
any ideas would be very helpful.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Well, I mean all of the ideas that I would
suggest to you, Casey, would be ideas that will probably
get me in trouble with Doc. So we're not going
to have them on the air, but thank you for that.
That's Casey Orderson Bell Cafe, New Regent Street. You know
what I'm thinking. The seagulls just leave it. They don't
shouldn't be protected. We'll just leave it there. Five twenty
one Heather.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and you talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Five twenty three of 've Beck is going to be
with us, part of the city. I'm responsible for that
Christmas tree. She'll defend it when she's with us in
about fifteen minutes. So I'm now listen. If the reports
are true and Donald Trump really is preparing to pull
out of the Paris Agreement again, I suspect that they're
going to be a few world leaders actually secretly breathing
a sigh of relief. Now, before I get to why,
I think that I just need to bring you up
to speed on this. Right, If you feel like this

(45:18):
is deja vous, absolutely fair enough, because Trump has done
this before. He pulled out of the Paris Agreement. This
is a climate agreement the last time that he was president,
but he left it too late, and he pretty much
pulled out like after he said it and train while
he was the president, but in that pulled out after
he was the president, and the US basically just rejoined
again quickly, so really ultimately made no difference apparently though
learned is less and keen to do it again, going

(45:39):
to be smarter about it this time. And it's being
reported by the New York Times that his team are
already preparing the paperwork to pull out of this thing. Now,
let's be clear about this, right, If he pulls out
of the Paris Agreement, this is terrible for global efforts
to fight climate change, because unless the whole world does
this thing together, it's not going to work. It's pretty
much everybody or nobody, and the US absolutely has got

(46:01):
to be part of it because it is the world's
second largest polluter. Right, If the second largest polluter is
not there, what's the point in the rest of us
doing anything. But on the other hand, if we're honest
about it, the agreement isn't working, is it. I mean,
it's demonstrably not working, right, because we're not going to
make the one point five degree temperature target. There was
a whole point of the Paris Agreement. We're not going

(46:23):
to make that. We're looking at two degrees now for
global warming. The world's biggest polluter, China, is building coal
powered plants at a giant rate of knots, which suggests
it's not really trying either. If it's not really trying,
why the hell are we trying. And we are trying.
We're trying a lot for New Zealand, a lot of
other countries are also trying. I mean, at the moment,
we're talking about the unbelievable situation that we've got a

(46:43):
couple of our biggest banks in this country forcing our
dairy farmers to cut their emissions if they want to
have money lent to them by more than what the
Australians are cutting their emissions, and we as a country
face a bill I'm not sure if you're aware of this,
but if we do not meet our targets in six
years time, which we are not going to, we will
have to pay a bill of twenty four billion dollars

(47:05):
to some other country to plant some trees for us
so that we can actually meet our target. Or we're
just gonna have to get rid of all our sheep
and beef farms and plant some trees ourselves. And that's
really gonna stuff us, isn't it. So I don't know
about you, but this looks to me like it's one
of these kinds of awkward things where you're like, yeah,
I want to do good by the climate, but jeez,
I could use that twenty four billion dollars rather than
giving it to Brazil or whoever. I could use it

(47:27):
to hire some doctors, or maybe build some roads or
I don't know, pull some kids out of poverty in
New Zealand. Now, I suspect that there are quite a
few countries like us who can see already the thing's
not working and we will never meet the goal that
we've set ourselves, and starting to lose a bit of hope,
and I just wonder if what happens is he pulls
out this is Trump in January next year or whenever,

(47:48):
and a lot of politicians publicly tell him off and
say it's a terrible thing that he's done, but secretly
relieved as all hell to be off the hook on
a plan that isn't working.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Heather Duplessy Ellen, You've got to go see.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Crowded House in Auckland the Saturday. I saw them in
a crowded House in Wellington on Saturday was one of
the best concerts even Nick, thank you'll think about it.
I went to see Pearl Jam on Friday. What surprised
me about and the reason this is connected, is because
one of the Finns was there. Liam was there and
he's a member of Crowded House. Now I don't know.
He must have gone to the Mount Smart and then
flown straight down to Wellington. Anyway, what surprised me was

(48:22):
the number of young people who were at the concert,
Like there were a lot of them who one hundred
percent would not have been around when Pearl Jam were
around the first time, when they were big. Anyway, So
I was with this group of people camp and James
was there. I know James. James brought his twenty one
year old daughter there. She was not around the first
time that that Pearl Jam were around. So Pearl Jam
at the stage, she comes running over to us and

(48:44):
she's like, dad, where's this guy from? This is Eddie
Vedder and she goes what state is he from? And
James the father says, well, he's from Seattle. Also, it's
from Washington, and she goes, I drank with him last
night at ding Dong on Krow and then the guitarists
came on and she's like, oh, he was there too,
And then she remembered that they had offered her she

(49:07):
doesn't know who they are. At ding Dong, they'd offered her,
apparently tickets to the free free tickets to the Pearl
Jam concert. She'd said to them, Nah, actually don't like
Pearl Jam. So comes to New Zealand. When we tell
them some time truths they don't actually like Pearl Jam.
Go to the concert anyway. Headline's next.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Hard questions, that's a strong opinion. He a duper See
Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and
news talk as it'd be you.

Speaker 17 (49:41):
Yell cold.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
The huddle is standing by Michael Willis is going to
be with us after six.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I don't know if you realize this, but we may
actually have a bit of an inn with Donald Trump
as a country. Collectively, we may have an in with
Donald Trump because Elon loves Luxem and Elon's gotten in
with Trump. Do you remember Elon has twice now on
Twitter has called out, oh, Chris lucksonman, like I really
like this dude. This dude is really cool. Now that's
actually quite like you might go, oh, who cares well Trump?

(50:10):
He is the kind of guy who what did I
say to you earlier in the program. He's as good
as the last person who spoke to So if he's like, ah,
I have to meet with this guy Chris from New
Zealand and Elon's like, what that guy, he's a cool guy,
at that point Trump will be like, oh great, okay,
Luxeon's and basically he works like that. So anyway, we're
gonna talk to Nicola about that when she's with us
just after six o'clock And also, good New Simeon Brown's

(50:31):
picked up the phone and he's happy to come on
the show. I have a chat to us in an
hour's time about this chap. Lindsay. He's just been appointed
as the Crown Monitor to Wellington City Council and the
work that he's got cut up for a man twenty
three away from six.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Forge do to see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Absolutely brown Marry, isn't it. But unfortunately the Auklan rate
Payers Alliance is really not getting into the mood of
things and they're all bar humbug at an enormous Christmas
tree that's going to go up in central Wellington at
the bottom of Central Auckland sorry, at bottom of Queen Street.
That's stressed about the thing costing one point two to
one point three million dollars, most of which comes from
the council. Part of the city is also putting some
cash towards it, and the chief executive, Viv Becker's with us, Hey,

(51:11):
Viv hello, Now Viv. I was all like, oh, you
know cost per year, it's fine, but then somebody sent
me a text for then they said, you are putting
in four hundred thousand. You and precing properties, You're putting
in four hundy. The Council's putting in four hundy and
then every year it's going to cost us four hundred
thousand to put the thing up.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
And put take it down.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
No, ill, No.

Speaker 21 (51:33):
And the first thing is council is putting in a
contribution of the city Center targeted rate, which is paid
for by city center property owners, businesses and residents. It's
not being paid for out of general rates, so the
Auckland rate payer outside the city Center is not paying
for this, but we'd love them to come and enjoy it.
So this is money, and in terms of the operating cost,

(51:55):
so count what's happened is that you might remember a
bit of an outcry when we retire center a few
years ago. We always said we would bring another significant
attraction for Christmas to the city Center. It's been a
bit of a long, sad process for us because of
COVID and a whole lot of things you won't want
to hear about that. The reality is what's exciting about
this is the partnership with precinct properties and councils support

(52:18):
recognizing the importance of rejuvenating the city center with the
targeted rate contribution means we can do something bigger, better, brighter.
We're coming out of ten years of construction, COVID, the
worst impacts in the country, all the stuff you know
well about. We are aspiring to be an international city

(52:38):
and we want to do something fabulous. And the operating
cost Council has said will support the first few years
as a contribution with our heart of the city and
precinct properties, and then you're on your own. So they
are not contributing beyond some initial obviously the share of
the purchase, which you're right, it does need to be
considered over the term of the investment. And look at

(53:01):
Sandre lasted sixty years, so we're not making a promise
to have the tree for sixty years. But the realist
we want it to be an enduring investment. We want
kids to come and love it and enjoy it for many,
many years to come. Okay, so how much does the
tree actually cost one point two for million.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
And how much is the putting up and getting it
down cost?

Speaker 21 (53:25):
Well, that varies a bit, it's not I haven't got
those exact figures in front of me. But the council
targeted rates share contributes towards what precinct in us are
putting in now and for at least the next year
or so, depending on how much it ends up exactly
costing on an ongoing basis, and we don't exactly know

(53:45):
that yet, but where it'll be put up locally with
the local resources, and we want it to be as
streamlined as and cost effective as possible.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Okayv thank you very much, appreciate your time. That's Viv Beck,
Heart of the City, Chief Executive. This was the text, Heather.
Only the purchase price of four twenty thousand can be
spread over ten years. The other four hundred thousand is
per year for putting it up and putting it down.
That's successive. Don't send me lies like that because now
look I gave the lie to Vivid. Now we had
to deal with the lie. At least we shot the
lie down. But be sure about your stuff. In four

(54:13):
hundred thousand pot a tree up, Mate's that's a lot
of money. Twenty away from six.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
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Speaker 3 (54:24):
I'm the huddle with me this evening. Tris Sharson of Sheerson,
Willis pr and Dave Latally Butterban Motivation. Hello are you too?

Speaker 14 (54:29):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Now what do you think of this? Trisua? Are you
cool with tree?

Speaker 22 (54:34):
I'm actually cool with the tree.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Me too, I'm cool with it, you know.

Speaker 22 (54:37):
I think if every time we try and do something
as an international city, we get all mingji over are
we spending a dollar fifty or not? That's why we're
going backwards at a great rate of nots. And I
do think this is, you know, in the biggest scheme
of things, is actually a small step to try and
get people back into the city, and especially to try

(54:58):
and get families back into the city.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
What are you making those noises for?

Speaker 5 (55:04):
So I didn't think you could hear me. No, I
just think, you know, I mean, it's when you have
the City Mission, right, they've got funding toil awkward. City
Mission have funding until until Christmas. Then they have to
cut thousands of people that will no longer be able
to get support from them. It just seems like it's

(55:25):
just such a waste of money. And then I and
then you know, listening to the interviews, it's like they're
just dressing up Mutton as I am because I don't
want my family go into the city.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
There's no way.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
Look at Christmas, sure not because it's so unsafe there
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
But that's the point, that's the point. It's like we're
gonna flood. We want all the families to come and
flood out the bad guys.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Yeah, but you've got to look at You've got to
you've got to fix the issues out Are there some
deep rooted issues there and it just seems like this
is just it's just a waste of money. I mean,
I mean, it's cool, but it's a waste of money
to me. We've got bigger problems to.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Solve now, Dave, does it make it any better if
the money was literally taken for this, Like if you
go out there and you go listen businesses and residents,
we're getting a targeted rate to try to do nice
things to make the city look nice, and then you
use it for that. Does that make it better to you?

Speaker 11 (56:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (56:12):
I mean that makes it a bit better. Problem is
it taken all the parking away so you can't park
then a shop anyway?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
You just got general gripes of the councilor I mean,
so do we we all do?

Speaker 23 (56:19):
Really?

Speaker 11 (56:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (56:20):
And I'm probably very much on the on the love
of Christmas ballble side of things. I am a massive
Christmas person. Always do the Franklin Road Christmas lights.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Do you let just love the whole vibe. Don't you
hate those people on Franklin Road who just put up
icycles and they're like they think that's enough. You're like,
I have come and traffic jammed outside your house at
eleven o'clock at night for more than that.

Speaker 22 (56:42):
But listen here this year, you you better bring your game. Yeah,
you better bring your game to those Franklin Road lights.
It's all been sitting here talking about.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
The ice skills.

Speaker 22 (56:51):
But come come the day before when you're in a
panic and you've sent you know, your lovely husband off
to the warehouse. That's not gonna be good enough.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Dave?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
What do you make of the speak of banning and
then unbanning a journalist?

Speaker 5 (57:05):
I just think it's just taken away from the apology
To me, I mean, it's why are we so? It's
just yeah, I mean it's just why are we're worrying
about this? That the big thing is the is the apology?
And then what's going to come after it? I think
they need I mean, they can fast track everything else.
They had to fast track this too.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
What do you make of this stretch this? I mean,
in terms of banning a journalist, it's a really big
call to make, right and it doesn't feel like it
was made with any evidence. It feels weird. I agree
with you.

Speaker 22 (57:32):
Feels odd and it's a very big, a big move
to have come out. And look, I haven't followed this
at all, but the fact that this is a journal
who has followed this this along since weird. I think
it is a real shame. It's detracting from tomorrow. And
one of the things that I sensed from Erica Stanford

(57:56):
was the build up already of the emotion around tomorrow
on all sides, but particularly that the government wants to
make sure that this does have the the seriousness and
the sort of reverence that the day deserves for the survivors.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, I think so, okay, we'll take a break, come
back to these two ands. Just to take sixteen away
from six.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
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Speaker 3 (58:23):
Back with a hardle Dave Lettalian Tricius and now Dave
Donald Trump has made has made some really big calls already.
He's told Pooty not to escalate the war in Ukraine
and apparently he's preparing to pull out of the Paris agreement.
How do you feel about this?

Speaker 5 (58:37):
I just, you know, and can't be surprised about it.
It's you know, I think we all have to do
our bit. It's just but I'm not surprised he's doing that.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
No, what do you think, Trisha?

Speaker 22 (58:48):
Well, I wanted to bring my hat in today so
I could eat it after last week predicting I was
not going.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
To raise attrition. You've raised it. You've put the egg
on your own magnanimous.

Speaker 22 (59:02):
But this is exactly a re This is just David
deja vux. Remember the last time Trump got the presidency,
he spent several days in the White House with the
cameras rolling, signing presidential decrees for all of this kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
So, you know, just I'd pull up the popcorn and now, okay,
tell me while we've got you here and you've raised it,
so now I can deal with it. Why why were
you so convinced that that comment? Was it wishful thinking?

Speaker 22 (59:30):
I have to admit I think a part of it
probably was thinking. However, what the other reasons that I
was basing What I was basing that prediction on was
I was dubious about Trump's ability to drive out young
male voters because they don't vote, and Carmela had gone
so strong into the young woman voters. I was basing

(59:54):
it on the fact that it was so tight, and
I felt like in that last few days, probably like
a lot of people who called it the wrong way,
in the end, it felt like Trump had run out
of steam. And in fact, when you looked at him
at those final rallies, he looked absolutely rooted. We're allowed
to say that, but there was a technical political term.

(01:00:14):
He looked absolutely exhausted, and she looked like she was
really just starting to hit her straps.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Looking at it now, though, you know, the Democrats.

Speaker 22 (01:00:28):
The one thing I did think about KRMLA Harris, I
felt like, was there a bit of disindomania there, Like
there was a lot of good, you know, good smiles
and nice feelings, but that wasn't actually reflecting back to
the majority of American voters the kind of anger that
they were feeling, and they wanted to see a presidential

(01:00:49):
candidate who was actually representing and voicing that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, I think feels a great
feels don't pay the bills.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
They do that Trump Trump appealed to the working class
to that for people that were just angry with how
everything has gotten worse for them. He appealed, he spoke
to them, and they turned out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You know, yeah, how much do you reckon, Dave? How
much of it was an economic vote versus an anti
woke vote?

Speaker 24 (01:01:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
How too?

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
Yeah, a lot anti woke. I think it's interesting seeing
that all the celebrities come out for come out, but
it didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
You know, Yeah, Trisha, if he pulls out of the
Paris Agreement, how do you feel about that?

Speaker 22 (01:01:28):
Well, he did it before, and then the question is
for everyone else, well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
What do we do what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Because the reason I'm asking you is because the nationals
over in Australia are already putting pressure on Peter Dutton
to also then pull out or rethink it all together.

Speaker 21 (01:01:41):
Yes, and I heard your.

Speaker 22 (01:01:42):
Editorial actually just writing in, and you know, there are
great reasons for everyone around the world to go, oh,
great relief. Now we can start to paddle our own woker.
But I guess my question around this stuff is the
only way we're going to solve it is is if
humanity comes together, and the stupidity of humanity is that

(01:02:07):
we take our short term you know, things that we
want over the long term and selfishness, your selfishness, and
that's exactly what Trump is doing here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Dave, does Liam Lawson have a point that we should
be playing the national anthem? Our national anthem? When McLaren wins.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
I'm not. I haven't really followed. I mean, I couldn't
care less, to be honest, How.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Dave, how can you be like this? You're in New
Zealand aroundt you. I mean we should be. We're always
excited every time in New Zealand. It does like farts
on the national stage of the global stage, like you
play the anthem?

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Yeah, no, I mean play it. Yeah, I mean I'm
just more worried about everything else that we've got going on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
So well, Yeah, I really love this.

Speaker 22 (01:02:54):
I loved it because I love I love Drive to Survive,
I love formula.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
You are the second person in two days to tell
me that it's awesome. Absolutely love it. I love it.

Speaker 22 (01:03:05):
But I also love Liam Lawson like to become an
F one driver. We think getting to the All Blacks
is amazing. This is needle in a hasting kind of country.
He's bided his time, He's now got a seat. But
also I love this position that he's taken, because it
kind of sets him apart. And you know what, it

(01:03:25):
also says, Hey, I'm from New Zealand and I'm really
proud to represent the country.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
I think it's alsome. Go aham, what a great call, Tris,
you want me over? I love you are so easily
won over.

Speaker 22 (01:03:37):
That's a great win for today day.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
You will take that, guys, Thank you, really appreciated. Tris
Shurson Shurson, Willis pr and Dave Letelly butter bean motivation.
It's eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Red or blue, Trump or Harrison? Who will win the
battleground states.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
The latest on the US election is Heather duple c
allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Youth talks be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Hither of humanity pulled together would do exactly nothing for
the world's climate. Dump the Paris Agreement.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Good on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Trump did a lot of people. I'll tell you what.
There are a lot of people who'll be like, I
don't believe in Clanet Kang. They will love it, obviously,
but then there'll be a whole lot of other people
who are pretty rational about this and go, well, I
don't know that this is the solution. If New Zealand's
going to be spending twenty four billion dollars on something

(01:04:27):
that's actually going to achieve, sweet fa and you over
there China are going to keep building your coal power plants,
and you over there the US is pulled out, you know,
And I'm very honest with you, I'm in that category.
I'd see no point in staying in the Paris Agreement
just to waste money if it's not going to achieve anything.
So I think he will actually end up with quite
a large group. I don't know how big the climate
change deny a group is anymore, but I reckon the

(01:04:48):
stop wasting money group that I belong to is quite big.
Twenty four away from six. Now, I'm going to talk
to Nikola Willis when she's with us shortly about this.
IID privacy breach because this makes I can I understand this.
I can understand a mistake where you hand over two
hundred and seventy thousand people, two hundred and seventy thousand people, Yes,
that's the right sentences, two hundred and seventy thousand taxpayers

(01:05:10):
details right, So I kind of understand you made a mistake.
You gave them our contact details and our names and
our ages and our birthdates and blah blah everything. I
get that that's a mistake whoops. But I don't understand
why when you have that detail and you can just
get hit me up and be like yo here that
you haven't paid your tax bill, why you need to instead?
That's free, that doesn't cost you anything. But then why

(01:05:31):
you feel like you've got to give them money to
Facebook so they can take an ad and target me
just in case I look at Facebook, which I don't
look at anymore. I don't get that, So maybe she
can explain that to us when she's with us shortly
on Sam and Brown. So I was going to tell
you what's happened. The council's at it again. This is
the Wellington City Council because two councilors have now written
to the mayor, Tory Fino, asking her to do something.

(01:05:51):
But she's tourist, so she I'm gonna do nothing. She
doesn't like hard work. They've asked her to take appropriate
action because another counselor who's not elected. This is the
mon affair to a counselor, Liz Kelly, has had a
cracket and another counselor Diane Calvert apparently been aggressive and
confrontational after a meeting, raised her voice, stood called Calvert
a liar, moved towards Calvert in a threatening manner. Now

(01:06:12):
Liz Liz Kelly says she did not do that, but
she did say she was annoyed about false information and
she will keep calling out the false information and I
will no longer remain quiet. So when she says she
didn't do it, I get the vibe though, that something
did happen because she's all like that, I'm going to
stand out for it, aren't I anyway, So you can
decide for yourself what happened. Will probably never really know.

(01:06:34):
Tory is never going to do anything about it. But
it's vindication that Daddy Simeon, absolute vindication for Daddy Simeon
that he's bringing the babysitizen to deal with this, and
we'll talk to him about that. Half plus six News
Talks eb.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Can keeping tracking where the money as you are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Without a business hour, we'd had the duplicy Ellen and
my eight on News Talks Evening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Coming up in the next hour, mark lista shortly on
how long we should expect the Trump market run to continue,
Simeon Brown on the man that he's picked a babysit
Wellington City Council. He's with us after half past six,
and Gavin Gray's with us out of the UK as
well at seven pass six. Nikola Willis, of course, is
the Finance Minister. Hi Nikola, Hello, heav are you doing
anything about this IID privacy breach?

Speaker 23 (01:07:25):
Look, the IID have obviously made that information known to
the Privacy Commissioner and it's now a matter for the
Privacy Commissioner.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Did they explain to you how this happened?

Speaker 23 (01:07:35):
They have given me a briefing at their view that
this is a small error and they are doing what's
right in the situation, which is they're sharing all of
the information with the Privacy Commissioner so that they can
make any findings that may be necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I'll tell you what I find weird about this and
can't quite get my head around, is if they have
got all of this information on us, and they do.
If they've got all this information on us and they
need to get ahold of us, why aren't they just
getting a hold of us? Why are they giving the
information to Facebook and LinkedIn and these guys try to
get a hold of us.

Speaker 23 (01:08:08):
Well, there's two separate things here. The first is, yes,
they can get hold of us they want to. The
second thing is often what IID want to make sure
people have is good information about their tax entitlements and obligations.
And so they have historically used social media as a
way of targeting information at relevant taxpayers. They've obviously reviewed

(01:08:29):
the way that they've done that, They've made a decision
not to do that anymore, in line with their commitment
to upholding the highest standards of privacy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
And that's a good thing. Yeah, but I don't get it.
I mean, so if they're like, Okay, Heather needs to
Heather needs to know that she needs to pay her
taxes by the end of the financial year, why don't
they just send me an email? Why are they giving money?

Speaker 23 (01:08:48):
Took Not everyone opens their email do that? And people
spend a lot of time scrolling on Facebook and social media.
Think it's simply about the IID trying to bring information
to where pelas.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
But surely you're going to have a higher chance of
the person opening the email than the person potentially seeing
it on Facebook.

Speaker 23 (01:09:08):
Well, look, I think the nature of this kind of
advertising was that they were able to target particular information
at groups of people to whom it was bellaviat.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yes, that's literally what you do with an email, which
is free.

Speaker 23 (01:09:22):
Look, I don't think the IID would have done this
practice unless they believe that it was a better way
to get information.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Really, now you have too much confidence and then they
just hand it over the details or two hundred and
seventy thousand people to these guys.

Speaker 23 (01:09:35):
I don't think that's right. They have assured me that
they scrubbed data in a way that no one's individual.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Not in the case of the two hundred, not in
the case of the quarter million, right, in the case
of the quarter million, they just hand it over all data.

Speaker 23 (01:09:50):
Well, in this case, I want New Zealanders who are
listening to your show to know that their individual tax
information hasn't been compromised. There has been an you here
that has been brought to the attention of the Privacy Commissioner,
and IID are making sure that they are using best
practice in future.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Do you think can you be absolutely sure though, that
they are not just wasting money on advertising for the
sake of wasting money on advertising.

Speaker 23 (01:10:16):
I'm pretty confident about that. Heither because there's a couple
of things that are important to me. One that people
are who are due tax refunds or a DOE money
back know that and are getting their entitlement. And two
that where the government is o tax ida chasing that
hard and so it's important that the IID use the

(01:10:37):
resources it has to go after both of those things.
As I say, they've reviewed this practice, they're not using
it in future.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
That's a good thing, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Are they like?

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I can understand that maybe there are some numpties out
there who never check the email accounts, so it will
be very few of them. But are the IID before
they're haitting Facebook and LinkedIn to try and advertise it us.
Are they first just sending us a free email and
then if we're not opening it and responding, then they're
going for the advertising.

Speaker 20 (01:11:04):
Look, they may be.

Speaker 23 (01:11:05):
You'd have to talk to them to understand the detail
of their practices, But I just do want to be
a bit real world here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Okay.

Speaker 23 (01:11:12):
A lot of people get a lot of emails, and
it's not necessarily the case that every email gets opened,
but sometimes we see things flash up on our social
media account and that can be a promptu action. So
I know that it's the practice of many organizations to
do both, to do both email and advertising on other
digital platforms. I don't think that's an unusual thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Okay, listen, have you caught up on this business about
the banks forcing our dairy farmers to emit less than
the Aussie dairy farmers.

Speaker 23 (01:11:41):
Look, I have heard a little bit about that. I
haven't been briefed fully on it. It's something I'm interested in.
It's one of the matters I expect the Parliamentary Select
Committee inquiry will want to delve deeper into.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Have you asked you haven't talked to the banks then
if you've just got the first hint of what's going on,
you haven't have a chat to them yet.

Speaker 19 (01:12:00):
Not yet.

Speaker 23 (01:12:00):
But as I say, this is one of the issues
that I think the Parliamentary Selectmittee should inquire into. They
should be asking questions of the banks about it. It's
important we get full information about this. Where I'm coming
from is I want a growing productive economy that means
farmers having access to capital, that means farmers being able
to expand and grow and export more. And I don't

(01:12:21):
want the bank standing in the way of that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
No, And on the face of it, do you feel
I feel slightly uncomfortable that banks are getting involved in
the climate stuff with our farmers. What about you?

Speaker 23 (01:12:30):
Well, the thing that particularly struck me when I heard
your conversation with Jamie Mackay about this issue was that
there was a sense that there might be different rules
at play in New Zealand. Yes, there are than in Australia,
and that worries me because I want there to be
at the very least a level playing field, and if
I'm honest, I want it to be even easier for
New Zealand farmers than Ossie farmers. And so any idea

(01:12:52):
that it's been made harder for our farmers to access capital,
that the Ossie banks are making it hard for Kiwi
farmers don't like the smell of that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
No, not at all. Okay, listen, is it true that
some public servants are not allowed to use uber and
they have to use taxis?

Speaker 21 (01:13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:13:08):
Look, I understand that there has been a guideline from
the Department of Internal Affairs discouraging the use of Uber.
Now this has been brought to the attention of the
Public Service Commission. They're having a look at it. I'm
going to fess up right here, right now. I use
Uber pretty regularly. I pay for it personally, and the
reason I do that is it's convenient, it's cheap, and

(01:13:30):
I love chatting with Uber drivers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Do you do you know why did you say it
was inland Revenue or who was it? Internal Affairs?

Speaker 23 (01:13:36):
The Apartment of Internal Affairs?

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Why did they say no Uber?

Speaker 23 (01:13:40):
Well, look, you'd have to ask them about that. But
as I say, this is something I'm very open to
change in because you know, technology changes, the way people
do things changes, and it seems just to me perhaps
a little old fashioned.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Too right, and it's miles cheaper. Now, have you do
you reckon or have we as a country gotten in
with because Elon loves Christopher MUCKs the Christopher Luxeon. Oh
my gosh, I've made one person out of two people,
Christopher Luxon, Elon loves Luxon.

Speaker 23 (01:14:10):
Interesting that come to my mind with that description. Look,
both the Prime Minister and the Minister for Foreign Affairs
have been very careful to make sure they have relationships
in place with both Republican and Democratic side of politics
coming under the presidential election, and I think that there's
every reason to believe that New Zealand can have a

(01:14:31):
close relationship with the incoming administration. Obviously there's big points
of commonality between the United States of America and New Zealand.
There's many things which are in our dual interests to pursue.
Does it help that Elon says nice things about the
New Zealand Prime Minister on Twitter?

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Probably if Trump does go ahead and pull out of
the Paris Accord, does that basically mean the thing falls over?
That's over, isn't it?

Speaker 23 (01:14:56):
Well, look, I wouldn't. I wouldn't jump into judgment there. Obviously,
the new administration hasn't even started yet. How they engage
with those global treaties is yet to be seen. But
for New Zealand's part, we have a Zero Carbon Act
in law. We're on track to deliver to those objectives,
reducing emissions, having renewable affordable energy. Those are good thing

(01:15:18):
regardless of what happens with those international treaties.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
If he pulls the funding from Ukraine, do we pull
the funding from Ukraine?

Speaker 23 (01:15:27):
I would not jump into speculating on that either. That's
a matter for the Foreign Affairs Minister. I'm sure that
it's something that he will be considering, but again far
too soon to judge how the United States will respond.
And of course the administration doesn't start till next year.
So but to order to go into the bridge till then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
How do you rate the chances that we get slapped
with tariffs?

Speaker 23 (01:15:47):
Well, look, here's what I reckon. Trade is about, the
exchange of value. For it makes sense. It needs to
benefit both sides. And when I look at New Zealand's
growing trade relationship with the United States, whether it's red meat,
whether it's wine, whether it's tourism, it's clear of the
Americans like what we're selling. Equally, we import a hic
a lot from the Americans. It works for both sides.

(01:16:08):
We have a close, positive relationship. So if there's any
country in the world that the United States should look
favorably upon in trade, I'd pick New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Nicholas, thank you, always appreciate your time. That's Nichola Willis,
the Finance Minister. Do you get the feeling Nichola didn't
know that the IID had handed over the private details
of two hundred and seventy thousand people without even encrypted
Do I felt like that was new information to her,
that they'd made that big whoopsie with the raw data
and just handed it over to like whoop, here you

(01:16:40):
go Facebook, here's all of Heather's contact details. I feel
like that was news to her. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
That'd be here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
The reader starts at privacy breach. I'm one of the
people that they've breached. This is the two hundred and
seventy thousand people. I've got their emailed letter telling me
that they screwed up. I've never in my life been
late for a payment or owed past due. I'm a
high income earner and bloody furious my info would be
used in this way. All the details they shared, other
security questions the scammer would be after For the first
time since the election, I'm calling bs on Nicholas explanation

(01:17:21):
Heather second text. I was one of those clients that
received one of the IID letters advising the data breach
of my information, but I did not owe them any
money and in fact, I've got a refund for the
year ended thirty first of March twenty four. The reporting
gives the impression that the custom list was for clients
that owed money, and that meta was a way of
reaching This is something weird going on here, because if
they need to get a hold of you, they will

(01:17:42):
email you, they will call you, they will, for God's sake,
send some bounces around to the door to pack up
the fifty bucks you owe them or whatever. But if
they who believes that you're more likely to respond to
a Facebook add than an email, there's something weird going
on here. I feel like IOD is just blowing cash.
They get an advertising budget and have to keep spending it.
Do you feel like that's within like a skip it

(01:18:02):
to Facebook?

Speaker 22 (01:18:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Cool, guys, something weird A six twenty one listen on
another subject altogether. Mark Listener from Craig's Investment Partners is
with us.

Speaker 24 (01:18:10):
Hey, Mark, afternoon, how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I'm well? Thank you? Now listen Mike. I'm fascinated by
this exuberance in the market post Trump's victory. Is this
going to last?

Speaker 24 (01:18:20):
I think over the short term, yes it will. I
mean markets are in a very good mood. They like
Trump because he is pro growth, he's business friendly, his
anti regulation. And when you also combine that with inflation
that's now back in the twos and you've got the
Federal Reserve cutting interest rates, the US economy is holding

(01:18:40):
together quite well. I could see the US market continuing
the strength into year end.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Do you think though, that he means he spells the
end of the rate cuts because this is inflationary what
he's planning to do.

Speaker 24 (01:18:54):
Oh, it definitely is going to put the Federal Reserve
in a bit of a bind. Jerome Powell just did
not want to talk about politics at all on Friday morning,
but he won't get off that lightly next time. And
financial markets now see, you know, it is pretty much
a fifty to fifty call whether he cuts again in
December or whether they pause. So I think the part

(01:19:18):
of interest rates in the US are still down, but yeah,
markets are absolutely wondering about inflation, wondering about debt levels,
and I think we will see a return to that
tension between Trump and Powell that we saw a few
years back. So it remains to be seen, but there's
definitely going to be an interesting, interesting dynamic between the two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Yeah, totally. Now listen on China. Okay, we've got the
stimulus package. Is this going to be enough? Because I
had I mean, the markets have not reacted well to
it today, have they?

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:19:48):
Markets a little underwhelmed. We also had some inflation figures
out of China over the weekend, and they were too low.
You know, the rest of the world has an inflation
that's too high, Chinese inflation too low. So they're trying
to actually get a bit of inflation stimulus a little underwhelming.
I just don't know if it's going to be enough
to deal with the massive issues they have around the
property sector and some of their other challenges. And now

(01:20:11):
we're also thinking ahead to next year and we're thinking, well, geez,
what will Trump do when he gets into office in
terms of tariffs and so forth, that China will be
right in the firing line of So I think there
are still some big question marks around the Chinese economy
over the next little while.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
How about that dairy payout upgrade though for US?

Speaker 10 (01:20:32):
Yeah, fantastic, isn't it?

Speaker 24 (01:20:34):
And I guess the positive news is that we are
selling the right sort of products to China. You look
on the ASX today and it's the mining companies are
all down, whether it's PHP, Rio and so forth, but
dairy prices are up what eighteen percent this year and
now the payout having been bumped up from nine dollars
to nine point fifty, that's the highest of all time.

(01:20:55):
The previous high was nine dollars thirty I think that
was in the twenty twenty two seasons. So nine point
fifty best ever payout. Really, you can't be unhappy about
that totally.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
And look, we've got a whole bunch of corporate releases
to watch this week, but you're picking Main Freight is
the is the key one?

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Is it?

Speaker 16 (01:21:12):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:21:12):
Just such a high profile business, well owned, well followed.
You know, everyone loves main Freight and everyone owns it.
You know it'll be in everyone's key we Saber account.
So it's not the only company reporting here. You've got
in for two, You've got Goodman Property, a couple of others.
But Main Freight is just important because it's so big
and so widely followed, and it's sort of right on

(01:21:34):
the cusp of global growth because it's in the logistics business, transport,
big operations, not just here in New Zealand and in Australia,
but also in Europe and Asia in the US, so
you always learn a lot from the main freight result,
and I think given what we're now seeing in terms
of the geopolitical environment and what that could mean for

(01:21:56):
tariffs and the costs of moving things around, I think
it would be a really interesting result to monitor.

Speaker 10 (01:22:03):
On Wednesday, Mark, it's good to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate, This Mark Listter
Craig's Investment Partners, Shane Solly's on holiday or something like
that will called in sick or truant. I don't know,
But anyway, Mark did a good job, didn't he six twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Hither if I got something on Facebook about IRD money,
I would assume it was a scam. Hither if I
got an email from Ird saying you owe us money,
it's number one a scam. So basically doesn't matter how
they do it online, whether they email you will put
an ad on Facebook, You're just going to go NA
it's a scam. I don't know them any money. Honestly,
you're going to end up in so much trouble. If
they're that's the attitude in take, you're going to end up.

(01:22:49):
You're going to end up owing a lot of money.
I suggest to change attitude towards that, but always be
scam careful or whatever they're saying is listen, this is
not looking good for Zelenski by the ways. I don't
know if you see have you seen what Donald Trump
Junior's put on his Instagram account. He's put a picture
it's like it's in a video film, but it's a
picture of Zelenski standing next to Donald Trump Senior and

(01:23:09):
Zelenzi's got a sad face, and the caption at the
bottom says, point of view, you are thirty eight days
from losing your allowance. Now, obviously the allowance is the
government funding, the US government funding for the war in Ukraine.
And this would echo what Trump Senior has been saying
for a fair few weeks months now, which is that
he's pretty keen to pull funding from Ukraine and stop

(01:23:31):
funding the war. So far, the US government has pumped
in fifty six billion US dollars. So if I was Zelenski.
I mean, like, look, who knows whether Trump intends to
do this, whether it's a threat, whether it's real, or
whether it's just designed to make Zelenski stop being such
a you know, like so hard out. I don't know.
I don't know what it is. But either way, if

(01:23:52):
I was Zelenski looking at that, I don't think I'd
be feeling very good at the moment. Would you have
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Speaker 10 (01:24:14):
The dover shiding Wiskey They I need downtown. Yes, there's
a party downtown here. Everybody had Barget.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Gavin Gray is going to be with us. Actually we've
got a Gail Downey filling in for Gavin Gray. So
normally a be Gavin on a Monday, but it's Gale
on a Monday, this Monday, and she'll be with us
in ten minutes time. Listen, this is a weird one
from us. I'm just going to leave you to draw
your own conclusions from this. Well, this is the State
Housing provider coying of order.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
So it turns out Order kind of order has got
some really weird houses in its portfolio. Because when I
think about state houses, I think about you just want
to get something kind of basic but with as many
rooms as possible and across all kinds of you know,
across all the available configurations of a house, but basic stuff.
I'm not thinking that. I'm not thinking it needs to

(01:25:02):
be super flash. I think it just needs to be
nuts and bots and that's all you need. Right, So
we're getting value for money but providing a roof it owns.
It turns out a beautiful heritage listed villa in Mount
Cook and Wellington. It's like seriously beautiful house. It's one
of those really skinny terrace houses, you know, gorgeous to
look at, beautiful filigree with just really nice house and

(01:25:23):
a beautiful paint job on the outside to keep it
all tidy and stuff. Quite why it owns that house,
I have no bloody idea. But anyway, the house is
now worth one and a half million dollars. Trouble is
the house has been empty for three years. So it's
been empty since mid twenty twenty one because they can't
put anybody in it because they have to do lots
of work on it to basically make it legal to
put the tenants. And they've got to do a foundation upgrade.

(01:25:43):
They've got to get it ready with a healthy homes.
They've got to put a ducted heat pump in, gotta
put in some drafts stopping, some new underfloor and sealing
insulation maybe even oh maybe even so double glazing. Got
to do all of that stuff just to make it
okay for the tenants to move in. Do you know
what's funny about this guarantee? You can't put an tenants
in at the moment, can't possibly put like somebody living
in a tent, can't put them in there, somebody living

(01:26:06):
in their car can't put them motil accommodation can't put
them in there. Wouldn't be up to standard. Can't do that.
But if it went on the market, just as likely
as not somebody would buy it and moving straight away.
So good enough for the people who own it, but
not good enough for a tenant. And that is one
of those things in the law that is just how
did we get to that place? Twenty one away from seven,
the government has appointed a Chap called Lindsay mackenzie to

(01:26:28):
be the Crown Observer to Wellington City Council. Now, Lindsay
McKenzie comes with experience. He was the CEO of Tasman
and Gisban District Councils. He also helped out in Vicargo
City Council with Governman's issues, so he knows what he's doing.
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown is with us a simn
good evening, so he's starting on Wednesday, which is pretty quick.
Why are you getting him in there so quickly, Well, there's.

Speaker 16 (01:26:48):
A number of reasons. Firstly, the issue around the long
term Plan is under council. Of course, one of the
reasons why we've decided to point an observer one because
there's been a number of relationship issues at the council
to the long term plans being fully relitigated and so
the council's going through that process. They asked me to
get someone in there as quickly as they can to

(01:27:08):
assist with that process. So we've identified Lindsay. He's got
local government experience and background. He'll be able to provide
another set of eyes and ears into that council reporting
to me. But also his experience having dealt with issues
in the Cargill District Council will mean that he's able
to assist Wellington with the challenges they're facing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I see you've got an end date on his contract,
so thirty first of July next year he's finished. But
what if it's still a mess.

Speaker 16 (01:27:34):
Well, the issue here is the key issue is that
they decided to relitigate their long term plans, so they
need to have that fixed by the middle of next year.
And so my intention is for that observer to be
there during the process of the council going through its
long term plan, reconsulting on it and then finalizing it.
But after that will be shortly going into the local

(01:27:56):
government elections and the people of Wellington will.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Presenting them.

Speaker 16 (01:28:03):
I don't intend for the observer to stay during that period.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Okay, is you mentioned relationship issues? Is he going to
deal with things like like the thing that's in the
paper today where Liz the counselor shouted at Diane the Counselor,
which made Tony and Nickel of the councilor's right to
the mayor to try to sort it out. Is that
the kind of thing he's going to deal.

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
With well, there'sn't.

Speaker 21 (01:28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:28:22):
As I said, there's a number of issues that need
to be sorted out. One is the relationship issues, which
is the personalities.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
But how does he deal with this? What's he going
to do? Sit there and go okay, there's sit down,
shut up?

Speaker 16 (01:28:32):
How does the observer has the ability to assist the council.
He's not making decisions on behalf of the council, but
he's able to assist the council lose the mayor and
provide another set of eyes and ears and another set
of advice. That's one of the roles of a council observer,
and he put that what is being seen or what's happening?

Speaker 10 (01:28:54):
The third is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Around the this this is you knows.

Speaker 16 (01:28:59):
He comes with a lot of experience in local government.
He currently sits on the Nelson City Council Audit and
Risk Committee adependent member. He's got good financial experience and literacy.
He's going to be out of system as they go
through that process and give them another set of another
some external advice. Effectively, if they want the council and
looking and it's up to them, but another set of

(01:29:20):
advice so that they can actually look at the issues
that they've been granted with and be given some further
So this is to me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
And let me just get this right. This is for
the councilors who are just ordinary lay people elected to
this position. He sits there and they go, Lindsey, can
you explain to us the most important things in this
financial document? And he'll be able to do that.

Speaker 16 (01:29:39):
That's correct, And ultimately at the moment they have the
Chief Executive of Wellington City Council does that having an
observer in there as an ability to the council with
another effective but also provide advices as well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Okay, and what if is one of the problems with
Wellington City Council is that there's been a relationship breakdown
between the unelected officials like the Chief Executive and the
elected people. Right, so is he going to be able
to sit there and go, hey, Barbara, the Chief Executive,
I know you need to give them more information handed over?
Can he take his own initiative.

Speaker 16 (01:30:12):
There he is able to assess the Council on those
issues in terms of the terms of references around the
long term plan. So he's able to provide another another
set of advice to the counselors and to the mayor
around the issues that they are facing as they go
to that long term plan process.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Good stuff, Hey, Simon, thanks very much, really appreciate it.
To me and Brown, the local government minister sounds to
me like Lindsay's the man for the job. He is
hoping he's got us wits about him and he is
hoping all the councilors actually tap into that information. Ah, listen,
weird thing happened. Okay, cruseet l cru set. Are you
into this because I've got a yarn for you on this.
I don't really understand it. I'm going to talk you

(01:30:48):
through this shortly seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Gail Downey UK corresponding with us. Now, Hi, Gail, Hi there?
Why is it, Gale that the hospitality seek are so
worried about these tax hikes?

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
Well, I guess the thing is that what they're saying
is hospitality restaurants, bars, cafes. They've had a difficult time
during COVID obviously, and the recovery after that, and so
they're worried because actually the National Insurance Tax, which is
an additional tax that we pay over here on top
of our normal tax.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Is going up.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
And also not only that, but businesses are going to
have to pay the tax on employees earning five thousand
pounds a year rather than before it had been nine
thousand pounds of years. So basically more people are going
to be brought into the tax bracket. They say they're
going to be disproportionately impacted because of course going to pubs, cafes,

(01:31:57):
restaurants is a luxury really time and cost of living,
and that's what worries them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Yes, I've got a fair argument. If they've already had
a tough they're just going to keep on having a
tough way. Listen, what's going to happen to these guys
who've been arrested in Amsterdam?

Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
All we know at the moment is that they've been detained.
So it's dozens of pro Palestinian demonstrators and what they
did was they defied a ban on public protests in
the Dutch capital. And the ban follows unrest last week,
Whether about sixty two arrests, and it was just after
a match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Israeli football team

(01:32:33):
and IAX Amsterdam, obviously a Dutch football team. Yesterday, hundreds
of pro Palestinian demonstrators. They gathered in Damn Square, which
is a main square in Amsterdam, calling for an end
to the conflict in Gaza, and they were very unhappy
with the ban on public protests, so the police went in.
They've now detained dozens of protesters. Meanwhile, the Israeli government

(01:32:58):
has advised its citizens to, in their words, categorically avoid
Israeli sports.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
And cultural events while abroad.

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
And one of the things they've focused on specifically is
a football match between France and Israel, which is in
Paris this coming Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Okay, what is it that Jamie Oliver has said in
this book that is inappropriate that's caused them to.

Speaker 10 (01:33:19):
Pull up right?

Speaker 6 (01:33:21):
Well, I will quote the chief executive of the National
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education Commission, Sharon Davis. What
she says is the story mainly is set in England,
but part of it goes to Alice Springs, where it
tells the tale of a first Nations girl living in
foster care in an Indigenous community who's kidnapped by the

(01:33:43):
villain of the book.

Speaker 20 (01:33:44):
That's the villain of the whole book.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
And what Sharon Davis has said is that this chapter,
which is called to Steal a Child, that it implies
that First Nations families are easily swayed by money and
neglect the safety of their children. She says it perpetuates
a racist stereotype that has been used to justify child
removals for more than one hundred years, and that the

(01:34:08):
portrayal is not only offensive but also reinforces damaging biases.
Jamie Oliver has come back. He's currently in Australia promoting
his latest cookbook, By the Way. He said he was
devastated to have cause defense and he apologized wholeheartedly. The
book has now been withdrawn from sale.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Feels like it's kind of it's like fundamental to the
book though, So that's that, right, The book's not going
to come back. It doesn't seem like it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I haven't read I have to
confess I haven't read the book, so I don't know.
I'm only telling you what the criticisms are. But yeah,
it looks like it's not going to come back.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Off the shelves, off the online that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
It doesn't feel like a small chainte Thank you, Gal,
always appreciated. Gale Downy, UK Correspondence evening. Okay, here's what
I get. This is about Licorcic. So you know what
I'm talking about when I talk about Lcrusic. Right, everybody's
got one somewhere of some size, and you've baby got
the little tanny tanny one that you can only fit
like three mandarins, and maybe you've got the really big

(01:35:09):
one that you could do a big bolonnaise in. It
always comes in a garish color like at some sort
of like nineteen seventies assault on your face, you know,
like volcanic orange, cobalt blue green. You know what I mean?
The cast iron its cast iron, isn't it anyway? So
what I don't get is why people love it this much.
People love it this much that this past weekend in

(01:35:31):
the UK and Hampshire they had a sale in this
industrial complex in Hampshire and on Saturday started at nine,
and on Saturday started at nine and on Sunday start
of to day they probably realized on Saturday Saturday. How
popular it was they started how early people lined up
outside for four hours to be able to get in
there to buy stuff. They lined up so long. The

(01:35:53):
queue was so long it like wound around the blocks
for miles. The cops had to be called to come
and keep the peace. I don't know what these people
were doing to each other. I don't even Maybe somebody
just looked out the window and they were like live
with a lot of people, Call the cops. Or maybe
these people were really intense about cookware and they were
acting up. I don't know what was going on. And
to be fair to them, it was quite a deal.

(01:36:13):
I mean, you could get up to half price off
your casse roll dish and your baking tray and your crockery,
and frankly, who doesn't love a bargain on something like that.
But would you actually would you actually que four hours
for lit crusett? And I don't want to be a
dick about liqu No, I'm going to I am would
you number one Q four hours for homeware? And number two?

(01:36:33):
If you were going to Q four hours for homeware,
would it be for li crousette, which looks like something
they'd come out of your grandmother's kitchen, because I don't understand.
A girlfriend of mine bought a house the other day,
like the other day last year in Mission Bay. Really nice, right,
and she was like, hey, I when to got myself
a lit crusette and I put it on display, and
I was like, why why are you putting that on display?
That looks like something my granny had in the seventies.

(01:36:54):
I don't get it. I don't get the liquorusette thing.
And it's not actually, it's not even that good. It's
not even that good because apparently it's for life. Well,
try telling me it's for life. We have one not
from my marriage. I'll tell you that that's survived from
a previous husband. That's from the husband's previous marriage, isn't it.
Because I wouldn't let that in willingly and he burned
holes in it in the bottom. So it's not for life,
is it. So I don't get it. It's just rubbish

(01:37:16):
and ugly. Away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Be Heather, It's pronounced le crusee regards a pedant. James,
I'm so glad you brought that up. Thank you. I've
been dying for a reason to get into this. Okay,
you've started a thing. We're speaking English, aren't we. Though
we're speaking we're not speaking French. So if we were
speaking French, I'd say let crusee. But if I'm speaking English,
I'm going to say le crusette, aren't I In the

(01:37:50):
same way that when I speak English, I don't talk
about a fila of steak? Do I talk about a
phillit of steak? Because I'm speaking English. And also, if
I did have a man who came into my bedroom
every morning and helped me get into my jacket, he
would not be my vale valet, would he? He would
be my valet, wouldn't he. I'm speaking English. So, and
we're going to take this too. It's extremes now like

(01:38:11):
I am going to I am going to take it
to its extremes, and there are going to be times
where you are offended that I am not trying to
pronounce things properly, but I'm speaking English. I'm going to
give you English version, but also, there will be times
where you probably don't know what I'm talking about, because
I feel like if I tell you that I'm going
to have my car valeted, You're probably going to be confused,

(01:38:32):
aren't you, Because I could I could say valet and
then you know, but I'm speaking English, and on a
matter of principle, I'm going to I'm just I'm going
to stick with it. James. I look forward to your
correspondence on this, Heather. You've got to change your mind
on the home where it's absolutely gold. But I think
there is also a movement away from teflon because of
chemicals and going back to more cast iron products. Well

(01:38:53):
that's cool. I just want my cast iron product to
look like it comes from twenty twenty. It's like, look,
I'll be I'm going to be generous. I don't mind
my cast iron product looks like it comes from twenty nineteen.
But I am not going to have my cast iron
product sitting on my stove looking like it comes from
the nineteen seventies. So that's not a vibe right now.

Speaker 14 (01:39:09):
Hence, I cannot wait to see how this spledge of
yours starts going wrong. I mean imagine if you start
to try and invite your friends out to go see
the ballets dancing, and you know you say, hey, you
know what, Yeah, you should wear your barretts out there.
You'll look really good in your barrets. Yeah, I think
your barrett looks very shick or chick.

Speaker 11 (01:39:25):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
I do have somebody in my life who did once
say to me, oh, you're looking chick today, And I thought,
but I mean, like, why am I trying to say? Oh,
I want to afford a riprosh more nat, you know, like.

Speaker 14 (01:39:39):
Exactly, And in this way, people understand what you're saying
better now that you're using better English. That's definitely how
that will work. West n Girls by the Pitt Shop
Boys to play us out tonight. The Pit Shop Boys
have been honored with a Pop Pioneers Award at the
MTV Europe Music Awards today. This is the first such
award that's been given out and it seems to be
just like a lifetimee Achievement award, but they've given it
a different name because pop Pioneers sounds a bit better.

(01:40:00):
Forty years since this, which was their first record, came out,
and I feel like you've really.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Screwed with my plans, because now I'm going to have
to say ballot formerly known as ballet every time I
say it.

Speaker 14 (01:40:11):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say it all made sense,
didn't until you hit an edge case, And now all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Of a sudden it's annoying that you're so smart.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Oh, deb debs, Yeah, Debores dibbit. This is my All
Blacks Debit debut. Oh I'm gonna have trouble, aren't I.
I might have to bend on this principle. Thanks ants,
Thanks also to producer Michael, who just got involved there,
just briefly. Anyway, James, we'll chat soon, mate. See around Bar.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
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