Full Show Podcast: 11 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Francesca Runkan on Heather Duplicy Alan Drive with One
New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Let's get connected, news folk.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Said, be.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Good evening, Welcome to Friday on Heather U Policy Alan Drive.
I'm Francesca Budkin filling in for Heather. Heather. We'll be
back with you on Monday. On the show Today, Energy
Minister Simeon Brown joins us to talk about how he
expects the Electricity Authority to get more competitive in an
effort to curb electricity prices. One New Zealand has been
given the go ahead to start testing their Starlink satellite

(00:38):
to mobile service Here in New Zealand. We find out
when it will be up and running and migration figures
they're not good here. We's are leaving in record numbers.
More on this after five Francesca so. In April last year,
it was announced New Zealand as living in Australia suddenly
afforded similar rights to Australians who live in New Zealand

(00:59):
when it comes to having a pathway to citizenship. The
change meant that from the first of July twenty twenty three,
New Zealanders who have lived in Aussie for four years
on temporary or special category visas and met the standard
Australian citizenship criteria, they could apply for citizenship. So kiwi's
who've been living in Australia since two thousand and one
could apply directly for citizenship without gaining permanent residency. First,

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Kwei children born in Australia will become citizens at birth
rather than waiting till late turn ten. It was a
game changer for kiwi's already living in Australia, but the
question of whether it would contribute to a brain drain
like the one we saw in twenty eleven and twenty
twelve was yet to be seen. Yeah, So, today Stats

(01:43):
New Zealand released their provisional data for annual migration figures
for the year ending in August. Migrant arrivals were down
seventeen percent to one hundred and eighty eighty one hundred,
But the surprising figure in all this was the number
of migrant departures, which was up twoty seven percent to
one hundred and thirty four thousand. Out of those one

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hundred and thirty four thousand departures, eighty one thousand, two
hundred of them were Kiwi citizens. That figure one hundred
and thirty four thousand, I think it was one hundred
and thirty four thousand, three hundred migrant departures is provisionally
the highest on record for an annual period. This is

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not good news. So yeah, those new regulations in Australia
probably did have an impact, or at least act as
a tipping point that has sent some Kiwis on their way.
In the year ending March twenty twenty four, fifty three
percent of New Zealand citizen migrant departures were to Australia.
But of course they're not just heading off to Australia,

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They're going everywhere post COVID. The pressure has been on
the Government of the day to convince people New Zealand
is a great place to live and work, not just
to keep talented Kiwis at home or encourage them to return,
but to attract the men any skilled workers we currently
need at a time when the rest of the world
is in pursuit of those same workers. This has not

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been achieved. The net migration gain in the last year
to the end of August was fifty three eight hundred
it was down sharply on the gain of around just
over sixty seven thousand for the July year. Economists are
concerned this may lead to zero net migration next year,
which could impact the economy's actual and potential growth rates,

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the balance of our labor market pressures expect, the tax take,
and of course the housing market. I don't know how
to convince someone who sees a better job, a better income,
a better lifestyle somewhere else to stay. Providing them with
the same or close opportunity here in New Zealand is

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most likely the only solution to the discontent that has
settled over the country. But how likely is that? The
government is working hard to get this country back on track,
and it could hardly work faster. But it is going
to take time. I'll tell you what, though, the government
will be hoping this is as bad as these figures
get and a turnaround is on the horizon for those

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of us still here. I certainly hope so, Francesca. So
we are going to be talking a little bit more
about these migration figures after five. I'd love to hear
from you if you've got a solution as how we
keep talented kiwis in this country, or we attract the
skilled workers. It seems we've kind of operated the leavers

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that we can to bring in the people that we
need in things. But this is a really, really slippery slope,
and of course people are leaving because they are not
happy with the state of the economy. And if we
do not get this immigration situation sorted out, that economy
is going to struggle to grow. So keen to hear
your thoughts. You can text on ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Two months ago, Auckland appeared ready to change the rubbish
collection to a fortnightly service, but now counselors have voted
to trial the change in instead of implementing it or
retaining the weekly service. So Angela Dalton is counselor for

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Manyoea Pupacorda a Ward and voted in support of the trial.
Angela joins me, now, good afternoon. Oh hang on, we're
just getting Angela. Yes she is. Hi, Angela, Hi, Francesca,
sorry about that. You support You supported the trial? Why
did you vote for it? What did you want to

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see come out of it?

Speaker 5 (05:45):
I think the trial is a really good opportunity to
test out how a fortnightly collection will go across Auckland,
so selecting parts of Auckland that can be measured as
to the success. I think the important thing for me
has been able to target the households who are struggling
with weekly collections and just find out why that is.

(06:08):
There's lots of alternatives for households that are struggling with
their rubbish collections. This will be a good time to
see what the issue is, what.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Kind of alternatives.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
There's about fourteen options of different types of bin choices
for people. There's three different red lid bins. If people
need a bigger bin, because I'm saying it's a small
bin that's being propped open with the red lips propped
open with rubbish, you know that those people need a
bigger bin. Do they need toibins? Are they using the

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recycling then? Do they need to food waste bins? So
there are options for people who are struggling if it
is just with the one red bin. I think getting
a closer look at that is going to be really
helpful through the trial process.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Do you think the community is ready for fortnightly collection.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
No, they said they weren't. Having said that it was
pretty split, so fifty. You know, it's pretty split. So
half of Auckland does and half of Auckland doesn't. So
let's not not do it because half don't. Let's give
it a try and let's see if we can. You know,
if it will work. And this will not start until
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
You know just what you've explained to me, then, Angela,
it makes so much makes me relax a little bit
more about the whole thing, because I'm probably one of
those Aucklanders who wasn't quite ready to go a fortnightly collection.
But the minute you say you know what, there can
be alternatives. You need to work out what you need.
You might need a bigger bin or two pins, so
there are those options. Does it change what we would
then pay in your rates or would it still be

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a set fee?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Well, the different bins come at a different cost per
a year. I think what we could do, and I'm
not probably we're going to do this, but I think
what we could and should do is upgrade that then
at no cost, because at the moment it would cost
forty dollars for someone to upgrade their bin. So let's
see if we can just get that bin to them
for free. And the variance across Auckland. We do have

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people contacting us at want a monthly collection, to the
point where it's something we want to seriously look at.
Where we do have people that do only need a
four weekly collection and that will be our rates decrease
for them. And I think we need to meet the
needs of all Aucklanders and this the trial, I think

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is really going to help us home and on what
that is.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
And I'd like to thank the elderly ladies who live
next to me Angela, who very sweetly occasionally tell me
that I can use their empty bin. There we go,
and that's what happens. Right. You can have one person
living alone, then you can have a family of eight,
you know, so it is quite different. We should be
we should be making sure we cater to everybody fairly.
I feel like we're going to need some education on

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rubbish sorting before we just take the collection away, because
I wonder whether people if they go, Okay, I've got
this red bin, it's every two weeks, I'm just going
to put a little bit more stuff in recycle linger I'm.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Going to Okay, Yeah, that's what happens. But we're some
amazing local community organizations. I've got one out my way
called Talking Trash and they work with those families and
those households and they soon get them sorting out the
you know, their recycling from their waste, redbin waste and

(09:21):
their food waste. So it is you're absolutely right, it's
about education. I'm not the best in myself. Don't hold
me up as a model recycler, but you know I
do my bit, and that's the big thing with what
we're trying to do. We're in the twelfth year of
our waste plan waste management plan to achieve the targets
set by central government, so it's not council coming up

(09:45):
with a great idea out of the ear. We have
transitioned our way here. So part of that was implementing
the community recycling centers. That's been a huge game danger
for communities in terms of their recycling. We did take
away for an organic in the streets to make it
on within the household area. And there also has been

(10:08):
a big change in terms of making sure that we're
getting the right rubbish through the right recycling places. So
lots of steps and fortnightly rubbish collections for the next
cave off the rank didn't fly, so let's go with
a trial and see if we can get that.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah, it sounds like a good idea. Angela, thank you
so much for your time. That was all COLLINGD counselor
Angela Dalton. You know, look, I've got my worms are
compost I'm very good at recycling. But there was just
there's just something about when someone mentions fortnightly rubbish collections.
I just bristle and I'm just like, I just know
that it's too hard, and I'm going to be really
honest it is. It's just too hard. I'm being pathetic.

(10:47):
But then you hear Angela and you say, we look,
we're going to make sure there's lots of options for people.
We're not going to let We're not going to say
to you you have to just stick with your little
bin for two weeks. There are options. So then I
just calm down again. Gay to hear from you on
this ninety two ninety two is the text Stas and
Pine is next talking sport. It is eighteen past four.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, It's hither Duper c
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on our eighteen bed responsibly.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
And Jason Pine is with us now host of Weekend
Sport on Satday and Sunday. How are you doing.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
I'm doing well, Francesca.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Have I confused you by talking to you on a
Friday evening and not on a Sunday morning.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I'm a lot of it.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, normally I've got a pair of shorts on. I've
actually got some longs on at the moment, you know,
being a Friday and everything. Ah yeah, bit old, isn't it?
You and I speaking on a Friday afternoon, But here
we are.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I think I didn't realize that you didn't dress formally
for me in the weekend. Anyway, America's Cap is underway.
I am actually really excited, to be honest. IVE pretty
much ignored the tournament, the regatta up till now. But
we're at the pointy end and I'm really hoping these
races are close and exciting and I'm all in.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
I think you've spoken for most of us. I think
that basically sums up how we all feel. It's kind
of hard to get invested in it when it's a
in the middle of the night and B we're not
in it yet. But now that we are in it
and the actual America's Cup race itself or races plural,
have arrived, I think there'll be a much greater investment.
The one o'clock in the morning thing is still nigli
to a lot of people that you know, most people

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are doing other things at that time, most notably sleeping.
So it's I think a lot of people may wake
up in the morning and check how it went. But
as it goes, and if it's tight, like you say,
and if it's exciting racing, then I think people will
be setting their arms and maybe getting up and having
a look at it during during the nocturnal hours. Yeah,
I think there's still a school of thought that we

(12:46):
shouldn't be defending offshore, but that ship has probably sailed,
if that's the right thing to say.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
So.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, but I think, you know, you think back to
the previous America's Cup campaigns and we've got right in
behind them. Let's hope it's the same with this one.
But I'm I'm not entirely sure that it will be.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I think it is time to sort of put aside
where it's hold, how it's run all that. Now it's
you know, it's okay, you're allowed to be sort of
late to the party, but you're going to skip behind
the team.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
Zell.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
My teenagers have this belief that there is no point
watching sport unless you watch it live. That is the
whole point it is to watch it life knowing it
has happened right then and there, which I mean, I
take a much more sensible approach to these things. I
will not be getting up at one o'clock in the morning.
I'm more than happy to get up at wake up
at seven, not look at my phone.

Speaker 8 (13:31):
You know.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
So you're gonna try and what You're gonna watch it
without knowing the results. And I'm with your teenagers. I
can't do that either. I just because I know, I
know that it's not happening right then and there, and
if I wanted to, I could check my phone and
find out what was going on. But look, I respect
the you know, the the compromise you make on your
sleeping patterns and things like that, but I'm a bit
the same. If I'm gonna watch it, I'll watch it live.

(13:53):
It's a bit like rate your test you know, yeah,
I can.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
It just frustrates me. I'm like, no, no, no, let's all
watch it together. We'll just pre record. It's in the
middle of the night watching football and Formula One and
I'm just like, I don't get it. Just don't look
at your phone, get up, turn it on, watch the
replay off.

Speaker 8 (14:07):
You go.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
Well, if any of my kids, if my kids are
anything to go by, they won't be paying any attention
to you, so you know, they'll probably just do what
they do.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
MPC quarter finals are underway. The sevening Wellington for his
counties YEP.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Wellington County is the first of four quarter finals. The
home side should win. Wellington Bay have plenty Tallannucky and
Tasman over the next three days. If there is an upset,
it might even come tonight. Counties Manecow beat Wellington a
couple of weeks ago by fifty points. Maybe that was
an aberration. I don't know. Camroy Guard will play for
Counties Manicout tonight and t J Peninada will play his
final final final game on New Zealand soil when he

(14:40):
starts for Wellington, so the two half backs are kind
of front and centers. Tonight, I think Wellington should win,
but if there is an upset there it may come
tonight at sky Stadium.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Thank you so much, Piney, I look forward to talking
to you on Sunday. Jason Pine of course's host of
Weekend Sports sat Down and Sunday kicking off at mid day.
It is twenty four past four. News Talks b.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Francesca Ruggins cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Francesca Ruggins on Heather due to see allan drive
with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Let's get connected and news talk as that'd be.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Thank you very much for your feedback, A lot of
feedback about the rubbish, Hi Francesca. Hmmm, So if I
don't my rubbish in the bush, I can apply for
rate reductions if I'm not using the service. Can a
worms methinks, says Allie talk about reinventing the wheel. Western
Bay have plenty rubbish bins are pay as you use,
your purchase your tags. I've seen a massive reduction in
red bins out the Old Lady across the road will

(15:35):
be once a month. Rubbish trucks take a quarter of
the time to a suburb. Francisca, I do not believe
that half of Auckland want fortnightly collections. Also, does it
mean a reduction in our rates? Yes, the different sized
bins will make a difference. Stupid idea. All these options
just end up accosting us money. Like the food scrap bin.

(15:56):
I didn't want it, I haven't in syncorator, but I
still have to pay for it, and there's no way
we pay enough rates and they need to do their job.
My bill bin is full every week and I want
it collected. End of seems to be the general consensus
coming through there. Thank you so much for that. And
just one more here, Francisca, for heaven's sake, do not
lump everyone in the same box. We are not all

(16:18):
feeling like that. Regarding the America's Cup. Get that through
Piney and your head. Some of us have been following
it for four years. Intimately, that was from Davo. I
hear you, Devo. Apologies just putting the majority in the box.
Minority on the outside.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
News Talk hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Francesca Runkin on Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one New
Zealand Let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
News talk z by on the dover Side whiskey. They nummi.
There's a party downtown.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Your fair stream everybody had binde.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
You're with news Talks. It'd be good to have you
with us. There is this horrible story coming out of
the US. One person has been killed and a dozen
rescued after a lift malfunctioned at a gold mine tourist attraction.
I mean, this is the kind of thing I just
one of my biggest fears. I were trapped about three
hundred meters underground. Anyway, we're going to go to the

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U e. S shortly and get more on the story.
It is twenty three to five.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's the world wires on news Talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Starting in the Middle East, where Israel's security cabinet has
met to discuss retaliations to Iran. Here's former Israeli Prime Minister,
that's Halle Bennett.

Speaker 9 (17:33):
I believe that Israel should strike Iran's nuclear program and
strike regime centers.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And I'll explain why.

Speaker 9 (17:41):
The ultimate strategy that I believe that the world should
have is to not allow to Iran acquire a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Ever, and how do you do it?

Speaker 9 (17:50):
By accelerating the toppling of the regime, it will fall.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
The cleanup has begun in Florida following Hurricane Milton, with
the storm not being.

Speaker 10 (17:59):
As bad as What we can say is the storm
was significant, but thankfully this was not the worst case scenario.
The storm did weaken before landfall, and the storm surge,
as initially reported, has not been as significant overall as
what was observed for Hurricane Helene.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
That was rond Decantis. There some locals tufted out overnight.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Daylight brought us of fatalities, but there was good news
on Tampa Bay.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Good morning, you made it.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
We'd spoken to Joseph Malinovski, who defied advice to evacuate
and stayed on his bolt.

Speaker 11 (18:35):
He made it through the night.

Speaker 12 (18:37):
Scary, No, no was I just sat here.

Speaker 11 (18:41):
I watched TikTok all night.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Donald Trump has been talking economics in Detroit, on the
campaign trial and.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
More complaints on grocery. The word grocery, you know, it's
sort of simple.

Speaker 13 (18:52):
Word, but so it means like everything you eat the
stomach is speaking.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
It always does.

Speaker 14 (18:57):
And I have more complaints about that bacon and things
going up double triple, quadruple.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Meanwhile, Obama has been out campaigning against Trump.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
And most recently a Trump Bible. He wants it by
the Word of God, Donald Trump Edition. He got his
name right there next to Matthew and Low. You could
not make this stuff up.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
It's crazy and it's Friday. And finally, the Las Vegas
man spent only twenty three hours going up and down
the stairs in his home to break the Guinness Worlf
record for the fastest time to ascend and descend the
height of Mount Everest on stairs. Sean Greasley had to

(19:42):
climb and descend a distance of twenty nine and thirty
one feet on the stairs in his home to match
the height of the world's tallest mountain.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
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Speaker 4 (19:57):
Me out out of the US is Charles Field.

Speaker 14 (20:00):
Good afternoon, Charles, Good afternoon, Francesca.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Tell me about the clean up it is on in Florida,
of course after Hurricane Milton.

Speaker 14 (20:09):
Yeah, you know, as we just heard. Fortunately it wasn't
as dire situation as a lot of the folks that
were looking at this before it struck Florida were predicting.
And that's a good thing. But having said that, it
did cause quite a mess as it sort of marched
through you know, that part of Florida near the Gulf Coast.

(20:31):
Most of the damage was because of flooding, although there
was an expected surge in the Tampa Bay area that
did not happen. Fortunately that would have been absolutely catastrophic.
But there were nonetheless flooding in some other areas as
the hurricane diminished in strength, but again, you know, moved

(20:52):
through Florida and eventually exited at the Atlantic Ocean. There
were some deaths, unfortunately, not as many as initially feared,
and interestingly, most of them on the east coast of Florida,
and because of tornadoes, tornadoes that were formed as the

(21:12):
hurricane was actually approaching the west coast of Florida. So
that is what ended up happening. The Governor of Florida
has said, you know that it is not as bad
a situation as they hope, but nonetheless it is going
to take quite some time to get homes rebuilt, to
get the water, you know, back to normal levels. Some

(21:33):
three million plus residents, i should point out in that
state are still without electrical power because the electric lines,
of course were knocked down by either the winds or
because of the floods.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Charles Biden has lashed out at Trump's response to the hurricanes.

Speaker 14 (21:52):
Yes, he has, I mean former President Trump has been
saying untruthfully. I should add that FEMA money. FEMA is
the federal agency here that basically supplies the personnel and
the money to help people in catastrophic situations like floods, hurricanes, earthquakes,

(22:13):
that sort of thing. Trump has been claiming that money
that should have gone to help people from this hurricane
Milton and the one that struck that area only a
couple of weeks back, lean that that money had been
diverted and it was being given to illegal immigrants. None
of that is true, by the way, And in fact,

(22:33):
there is money that's given to people who are immigrants
coming into the US, but it's this totally different pool
of money, so it had nothing to do with the
pot that's available to help people citizens when they have
catastrophic occurrences. So to sort of counter these untruths that
mister Trump has been saying at his campaign rallies, yeah,

(22:56):
Biden has said that that kind of talk is not helpful,
that it's patriotic, and at one point, I believe said
of Trump that he should get a life child.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Some good news in Colorado, where there's been this terrible
accident at a former gold mine that is now a
tourist attraction.

Speaker 14 (23:17):
Yeah, there were twelve people who were just actually within
the past hour or so, rescued from that elevator. And
you're right, a lot of people may be baffled by
why people would be in an elevator one thousand feet
beneath the surface of the earth. And the reason is
that Colorado, the state of Colorado, is dotted with these

(23:39):
abandoned gold mines, most of which were founded back in
the eighteen hundreds. Well, of course, now what do you
do with an abandoned gold mine, Well you turn it
into a tourist attraction, and this was one of them.
People go for a one hour tour. Something happened to
that elevator. It is still unclear what exactly the neat

(24:00):
true that the incident was, except that for several hours,
about twelve people were trapped. One person unfortunately died as
a result of this incident. But as you correctly point out,
now everybody is back on the surface. And my understanding
is that we're given a reward, if you want to

(24:24):
call it, that of pizza.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
As you do just what you want, have to be
trapped underground exactly you want a pizza. Thank you so much, Charles.
Really nice to talk to you. That was our US correspondent.
Up next politics, it's quarter to five.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
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Speaker 4 (24:42):
And joining us now from Lasos. Sophie Trigger, senior political
reporter from News Talk Seed. They good afternoon, Sophie.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
Jorda Francesca, how are you good?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Thanks? What have been the highlights of this very busy
trip that the Prime Minister has had.

Speaker 15 (24:56):
It's been an absolute whirlwind thirty six hours or so
we've had here in Laos with the Prime Minister meeting
a number of world leaders, including that all important meeting
with Indian Prime Minister or Andro Moody, which I spoke
about yesterday, and that took place in the early hours
of this morning New Zealand time. It was a warm
exchange between the pair. I was in the room for

(25:18):
the opening remarks and Mody spoke to Luxen through a
translator saying it was a pleasure to finally meet him
and talk through some important issues, and he later invited
Luxon to visit him in India, a visit that, as
we discuss, would be critical to Luckson's goal of a
free trade agreement this term. Luxon said he and Mody

(25:38):
did actually discuss a free trade agreement in this meeting,
and he said Mody was keen to progress trade connections further.
The pair appeared quite close at last night's gala dinner,
and Luxon made a bit of a beeline for Mody
at the East Asia Summit, which began about an hour ago.
So Luson says there actually is quite warm and genuine

(26:01):
connection between the pair. Now, there was also another really
interesting first time meeting ahead of this sit down with Mody.
This one slightly more impromptu, was a handshake between Chris
Lukhin and new Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Shiba, and Luxon
shukar Shiba's hand and congratulated him on recently becoming prime minister.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
What's on the agenda for the summit meeting tonight.

Speaker 15 (26:29):
Yeah, so that's happening as we speak, Francesca. Obviously, the
East Asia Summit is the reason we are all here
in Laos this week, and it's a really significant international
forum because, aside from the Asian partners who convened the summit.
There are quite a lot of major world powers here
as well, the US, China, Russia, India, And speaking to

(26:51):
Luxon earlier today, he says regional security will be really
high on the agenda, and he spoke about how connected
this is as well to New Zealand trade relationships. There
are tensions in the disputed era of the South China
Sea for example, not to mention worries around North Korea's
nuclear and ballistic missile program, and conflict in this region

(27:13):
would have the potential to seriously disrupt, disrupt trade routes
that are really important to New Zealand. So this makes
peace in the region not only critical for reasons of security,
but also for economic reasons. So, as I mentioned, this
meeting is taking place as we speak, and will be
interested to perhaps here a bit from lux And afterwards

(27:33):
about what might have been raised.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
And Sophie Win, does the summit wrap up?

Speaker 11 (27:38):
It should?

Speaker 15 (27:38):
It should be wrapping up within within a few hours, right, Well,
wheels off home to home to New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Shortly Thikidoki and look talking about hitting back home. Immigration
numbers out today they're pretty grim. What's the government's response been, yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 15 (27:54):
The numbers that have come out today show that more
people are moving out of New Zealand than ever before.
I think it was an annual net migration gain of
nearly fifty four thousand people in the year to August.
So definitely not what the government will be wanting. And
when we spoke to Chris Luxon about this, he says
he is trying to build the kind of New Zealand

(28:15):
where people see a future for themselves and their kids,
growing the economy and providing better public services.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
And he also says a big part.

Speaker 15 (28:24):
Of growing the economy and making New Zealand a better
place to be long term is harnessing those international ties
establishing strong trade links, which is part of what he's
doing here in Southeast Asia this week, and he also
talked a bit about this when addressing the Business and
Investment Summit last night, where he made a keynote address.

(28:45):
Luxon spoke about promoting New Zealand is a great place
to work and travel, as well as putting out a
bit of a call for investors to perhaps consider New
Zealand for their next ventures.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Might take a bit more than that, though, Sophie.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 15 (29:01):
But yeah, Luxon says that he's very focused on he
believes we'll keep people in New Zealand and building the
economy and sort of bolstering those public services. He says
other things that the government's doing to keep more people
in New Zealand. So we'll have to wait and see
as to you know, if these numbers start to turn

(29:24):
around in the coming years.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Sophie, thank you very much for your time today. That
was Sophie trigger us seeing a political reporter from Newst
CB in Laos. It is eight to.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Five, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (29:37):
Crown account numbers remind us it's all still a mess.
The deficit blew out to twelve point nine big and
former Finance Minister Stephen Joyce's whether us two point before that,
Nicholas sheckled herself whethers she asked for trouble on that
Given it's already spent and we're not even into next year.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
It's going to be very tough. And I heard the
fee to you guy saying that's terrible. You know, we
shouldn't have cut theories. I shouldn't pretty calculated than even hospital.
But there's a reason for mess because you've doube debt
in six years and now you're running a deficit of
twelve point nine billion. The answer to his question is, well,
you should have got your mate Graham to be under
much greater control three or four years ago, and maybe

(30:11):
we wouldn't be having to make these sorts of decisions.

Speaker 13 (30:13):
Back Monday, from six am, the Mike asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the lawn News talk.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
ZB thank you for your feedback. West Auckland has paid
for rubbish tags for about five years now. Five dollars
every time we put the rubbish bin out. Clearly makes
me more thoughtful about the rubbish we create. And I'll
tell you what. If we're going to do user pays,
that is a way too. You know, if the user
pays is more obvious, it will make you think differently,
won't it. Mike was very kind and complimented on how

(30:40):
refreshing it was that I managed to make an interview
about rubbish collection interesting and positive. I'm going to be
really honest with you, Mike. I came into that quite frustrated,
as you might have gathered, I really like a lot
of people was just leave the rubbish alone, just leave
it how it is, don't mess with it. And then
Angela came along and she was sort of quite practical
about it, and it kind of burst bubble, which meant

(31:01):
that I had to be rational about it as well.
You know, if you've got options, why not. And yes,
I know we have to take these next steps and
kind of move forward and everything, but you know, if
they make it easy for me, then I'll probably get
on board. And another text tier Francisca, why would skilled
migrants to New Zealand when recent governments have been promoting
two tiers of New Zealand citizenship. If your kids are
treated differently from a kid with a tiny bit of

(31:24):
multi blood, that's not equal opportunity and it's divisive. The
media refused to talk about this. Well, there you go,
I have read your text. There we go.

Speaker 16 (31:35):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Coming up after the news which is next here at six,
the government has released its plan for affordable energy. They've
released the Government Policy Statement on Electricity and this sets
out the government's role in delivering affordable and secure electricity
at internationally competitive prices. So the Minister of Energy, semn Brown,

(31:57):
he is going to be with us and we're going
to get our head around exactly what the government is
proposing here. Obviously they're very very keen for people to
be investing in renewables, but actually how it might impact
you and I and things on a daily basis when
it comes to paying our bills. We'll try and get
our heads around that. So that is coming up Afternoons

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Speaker 4 (33:37):
Good to have you is seven past five right. The
government has told the Electricity Authority to get more competitive
as it tries to curb soaring electricity prices. We all
know as of late energy costs have been rising, with
multiple large manufacturers saying prices have forced them to close down.
Energy Minister Simian Brown outlined expectations and a government policy

(33:59):
stare which the Authority must now adhere to as it
works to fix the market, and as Simeon joins me, now,
good evening, thank you for your time.

Speaker 18 (34:09):
Good evening, Simeon.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Are you confident these expectations will ultimately bring prices down.

Speaker 16 (34:16):
Well.

Speaker 18 (34:17):
What we're making very clear is that the government's top
priority is to ensure that New Zealand kei US own
businesses and households have accessed internationally competitive ultricity prices. That
the aultricy Authority needs to ensure that they are focused
on competition, affordability and security of supply and that they're

(34:37):
not focused on what type of fuel is actually being used.
We've been very clear as a governments that actually we
want to keep the lights on and that means they
need to make sure the market is operating in a
competitive way to deliver that affordable energy to New Zealanders.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
So those expectations are the competitive, good, supply and affordability.

Speaker 18 (34:56):
Right, That's correct, That's the key focus to govern was
focused on. Under the last government, they were pursuing significant
interventions into the ultriacy markets, such as the Lake Honslow
scheme they were making. They were at a policy of
one hundred percent renewable energy by twenty thirty, which would

(35:16):
have caught the country billions of dollars to try and achieve.
We've been direct clear, we're full agnostic. We know that
there is going to be more renewable generation becoming online. However,
the altricty Authority's role is to focus on competition, security
of supply and reliability for consumers rather than what type

(35:36):
of fuel is being consumed.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yes, of course, reliability apologies. How does the electricity authority
therefore enforce these expectations that you've put on them?

Speaker 18 (35:47):
So the government sets the policy direction and that is
what we've done today. The ultricity authorities is required to
have regard to that as they make decisions in regards
to the code. They play a really important role in
terms of regulating the market. There's a lot that they need,
they have that they need to do in terms of
responding to this. We want to see more distributed forms

(36:10):
of energy able to participate in the market. We want
to see more competition in the wholesale market. They'll have that.
They have the role of regulating participants to do that,
but also it's about setting a clear expectation to wholesale
participants that they need to manage their risks more appropriately.
What we saw this year with the wholesale wholesale price
being eight hundred dollars a mega what now for many

(36:33):
for a number of weeks through August was unacceptable. We
need to make sure the fuel is in the right
place to manage those dry year risks, rather than that
risk being externalized out into key households and businesses. That's
unacceptable and our message is very clear to the OCTUS,
the authority, and to wholesale participants that that risk needs
to be better managed to ensure that keey households and

(36:55):
businesses aren't facing the brunt of those high prices.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
As a household. When can I expect to see the
impact of this GPS.

Speaker 18 (37:05):
Well, Ultimately, this is about setting our expectations clear. The
regulator now has to put a work program together around
how they intend to give effect to it. They have
regard to it, they will be There's a number of
changes that they need to continue to evolve as there's
different forms of becoming online. Ultimately, this is about our

(37:27):
expectations so that the market is operating more competitively to
deliver that those prices to consumers. In terms of the
impactful consumers, we're obviously very clear that the electricity Authority
has to be very focused on next winter. Next winter
is looking like a very tight winter again like this winter.

(37:47):
So acting now in terms of making sure that wholesale
participants are managing those risks, rather than those risks being
coming to fruition in the middle of winter. They need
to be managed before Christmas in terms of making sure
the fuel is there in the right places, rather than
us entering next winter with those risks in place.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
So then you would expect next winter the market has
reacted and we can all enjoy more competitive affordable power prices.

Speaker 18 (38:15):
Well, ultimately, you know, the outlook for next winter is
concerning in terms of there is significant risks in place
in terms of you know what we saw this year
around low hydro inflows, low wind. Some of the forecasts
are concerning again for next winter. But what our message
is to the ultrot Authority and to the market participants

(38:38):
is that those risks need to be managed ahead of
entering winter rather than being managed during winter. And I'll
give you an example around you know, we had a
twenty percent reduction in gas supply this year and that's
a number of reasons behind it, including the last government's
ban on ail and gas exploration. But the key issue

(38:59):
was that that gas wasn't you know methdex is the
largest user of gas, that that gas has been used
to make meth at all, rather than put into eltricity market,
and that deal wasn't done until the middle of August
to actually ensure that was being made available to produce eletricity.
Those type of arrangements in making sure the fuel's in
the right place, those conversations and those arrangements need to

(39:23):
be sorted ahead of time. Risks need to be managed.
Securio supply to be mentioned in the long term, not
just the short term, so that consumers and businesses aren't
put in those risky positions as we saw this year.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Minister, if you wouldn't mind, would you mind taking your
energy hat off and just putting your local government hat
on just for a quick moment. What did you think
about Wellington City Council's decision on the airport shares yesterday?
Do you think the Government will end up intervening?

Speaker 18 (39:48):
Well, look, I think it's concerning. Ultimately it's a significant
decision to make a significant what it's a significant change,
will repose change to their long term plan my concerns
for Wellington rate payers and the potential impact this may
have on their rates bills. They've already received one of
the highest rates bills in the country and so look,
the Government's keeping an eye on what's happening here. Councils

(40:10):
are able to amend their long term plans, but what
I would say is this is concerning. It is a
significant change. I'm concerned about what the impact it will
have on Wellington rate payers who are wanting to have
a council which is focused on making long term decisions
and actually sticking to them rather than constantly changing their minds.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Energy Minister Simon Brown, thank you very much for your time.
I appreciate it. Coming up later this hour, we have
got the sports huddle and Rafa Nadahal has, at the
age of thirty eight, finally confirmed that he's going to
retire from professional tennis after the Davis Cup Finals in
Spain this November twenty two time Grand Slam winner, he
has finally called it quits on his amazing career and

(40:53):
I think it's going to be quite emotional because who
doesn't like this guy?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Right?

Speaker 4 (40:57):
I don't think it's been a huge surprise he's been
struggling with injuries. Has n he's been recovered from his
hip operation. But I think it's great that he's announced it.
Now everyone can celebrate him and things. But I feel
that there's a real end to an era, and I'm
keen to talk to the sports Huddle about this nearer
the end of the hour as well, because of course
there was the Big three Federer, Djokovic, and Nadel, and

(41:22):
Federer retired a couple of years ago. Novak Djokovic is
still out there performing and now raf is gone. Federa
was quite serious, wasn't he. The Darl's just a bit kookie,
and Raffa was just the one we all loved. He
just kind of came across as a nice guy. I'm
pretty sure there's a lot more to his legacy than
just being a nice guy. So the sports Huddle will

(41:44):
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Speaker 1 (42:46):
Francisco.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
All right, So the Big Dances upon Us comes Sunday morning,
a start of the thirty seventh America's Cup. Team New
Zealand take on the British team of Ineosprtania with the
first to win seven races crowned champions. Mark Orham's is
a sailing professor and commentator from a ut and he
joins me, now, good evening, evening. Do you think people
are genuinely excited about this event or not.

Speaker 8 (43:10):
Well, certainly the sailing community is, but I think it'll
take a little bit of time to build up for
those people who perhaps are a little bit late to
get on board. As we move through this America's Cup
and we start to draw towards a conclusion, I think
the excitement will pull people in.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
You Well, now we're at the exciting end of the tournament.
I'm definitely being pulled in. And I don't really care
where it's held, how it's run, what the boats are.
I'm just kind of I'm just sort of getting on board.
Why should Kiwis care about it? It's not here in
our backyard as a defense normally is. And I know
that that's a bit of a sticking point.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
For some Yeah, I can completely understand that. I don't
think anybody would would be sort of in favor of
it having it out of New Zeland. Really, this is
the city of Sales and Auckland, and it would be
wonderful to be having it here, but it isn't, So
we just have to get our heads around that. I
think the thing to really focus on is that this

(44:11):
is New Zealand competing in a very high technology and
an extremely high end sport that has a massive history
that goes back over one hundred and fifty years, and
what we are doing as a small maritime nation is
competing at the very top end. In fact, dominating to

(44:32):
New Zealand has been this century the most dominant team
in this game. And remembering we're competing against nations that
are not only much larger than ours, with deeper pockets,
but with a lot of technology that we don't have
access to. So thinking about the United States and outfits
like NASA and companies like Bowing the UK and how

(44:55):
they're drawing on their Formula one expertise with any ospri
Cania and so on. So a little old New Zealand
here piecing together an amazing legacy in the sport of sailing.
And when I talk to people from outside of New
Zealand in the sport of sailing, they just shake their heads.
They think, how do you do it? How can you
do something that these really large superpowers are not able

(45:19):
to do? And so it's something really special to be
proud of that we're able to not only compete, but
to dominate in this kind of way.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
That's a great perspective on it, Mark, how much of
an advantage do you think Emert's Team New Zealand have.
They haven't raced intensely for weeks, like any ofs. I
suppose it's got its pros and cons having that break.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
Yeah, absolutely, And of course the Brits are race hardened.
They've had eighteen races over the last months and hard
close races too, so they are certainly very battle hardened,
very race ready. Meanwhile, Emirates Team New Zealand's had no
racing at all, but what they have been able to
do is to watch very very careful, to analyze all

(46:01):
of the data coming off the boats, particularly with a
focus now on Aniospritannia, and to continue to develop TAI
Hortos so that it can be as fast as possible.
And what they know is that in the history of
the America's Cup, the fastest spot always wins, so their
focus is going to be certainly preparing as best they're
able for the racing, but making sure they're optimizing TI

(46:23):
Hoto to be as quick as it possibly can be.
And they've actually broken out some new equipment just in
the last few days that they'd be working on and
keept back in the shed until now, and some of
those I think are big steps forward. So the team
will have a lot of confidence in the preparation they've
done for the boat, and then they'll build into the
regatta as it gets underway.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
So Ben Ainsley versus Berlin, do you think we'll see
some niggle here?

Speaker 8 (46:48):
I don't think from Pete Berlin, he's a very very cool,
calm character, fighter pilot like sort of calm and that
it doesn't seem to matter what's happening around him. He's unfaithed.
So Ben Ainsley's quite different. You know. He's an enormously
experienced and very very talented sailor, the most successful Olympic
sailor in history. But he's also somebody who I wouldn't

(47:11):
say is a hot head. But simmering under the surface
of that huge determination can sometimes be a bit of
frustration that boils over into the if he doesn't get,
for example, umpire calls that go his way, or a
mistake that's made, particularly if it's a mistake that he's
made personally. So there quite different personalities. Equally talented sailors,

(47:32):
no question, but quite different personalities.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Mike Alams thank you so much for your time, really appreciated.
It is twenty three past five.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Newstalks that'd be digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 4 (47:50):
Dogs, that'd be I thank you very much for your feedback.
Just talking to Mark that surely that gets you a
bit more excited if you hadn't been excited already about
the America's Cup. I do want to know if anyone's
gonna get up at one o'clock and watch it in
the morning. I know my friend dave O will be
He's been following it intimately. I know he'll be watching,
and I know there's others of you. I'm just you know,

(48:11):
are you gonna jump on board now? I'm not going
to jump on board and get up at one in
the morning, but I definitely will watch a little bit later.
Maria text to say, be hilarious if it ended up
in Europe because Grant Dalton took it away from New Zealand.
I'm not sure it would be hilarious, Maria, but I
get the sentiment. Coming back to electricity, of course we're
just talking to Energy minister there Simeon Brown, who's yet Okay,

(48:35):
So I'm going to give him to next winter, because
that's what I wanted to know as a consumer. When
am I actually going to see an impact on the
measures that the government is trying to put on the
electricity Authority? And I'm taking from that conversation that hopefully
we'll have some leavers in place. It will mean that
next winter might be looking a bit better. Total nonsense,
simon text to say we should have the cheapest electricity

(48:55):
in the world. Asset sales and privatization has been a
total failure. Re national Is it all now?

Speaker 11 (49:01):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (49:01):
For cheaper power bills. The government needs to change the
law that enables all generators to charge the highest price
offered every half hour on the markets. Thank you very much,
and you're with News Talk ZB. We'll be back after headlines.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
The day's newsweak is talk to Francesca First, Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 1 (49:26):
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Speaker 4 (49:35):
And good to have you with us. We've been talking
quite a bit about the Prime minister's trip to the
East Asia Summit and about the fact that he met
with India's Prime minister, who has invited him to visit
India in the new year. This was quite big news,
and we're going to talk about this after six just

(49:56):
kind of get to the bottom of the significance of it.
I have a funny feeling there's nothing immediate is going
to come out of this. The Prime Minister is playing
the long game and very much building up his relationship
to be able to continue it on, to have more
substantial meetings about a free trade deal and security in
various other things. But we'll talk to an international geopolitical

(50:18):
analyst after six to get their thoughts on it. Francisco
so Kewi's are leading the country and record numbers stats.
New Zealand figures show New Zealand had an annual net
migration gain of nearly fifty four thousand people in the
year to August. However, departures are the highest on record
at one hundred and thirty four thousand, driven by more

(50:39):
than eighty one thousand Kiwis heading overseas. So one hundred
and eighty eight thousand migrants entered the country with Indian
citizens making up the largest group. I might have been
talking about that. Francis Collins is a psychology sociology professor
at Auckland University and he joins me. Now, Hi, Francis
here it a Franciscan. Most nice to talk to you too, Hey,

(51:02):
how do these levels compare to the brain drain of
twenty eleven twenty twelve.

Speaker 19 (51:10):
Well, it's actually quite markedly different in a lot of ways.
Back in twenty eleven twenty twelve, we were seeing a
lot of New Zealand citizens apart, It's not quite as
high as we're seeing now, but pretty high. But I
guess the difference back then was that the arrival of
non New Zealand citizens, so people from India you mentioned,
but from China, from the Philippines were much lower back then,

(51:31):
so we actually had an overall net loss of people
through migration, whereas it right now, as you mentioned, even
though the rate's coming down, net migration is very very
high by historical standards.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Do you think this trend of more people leaving and
fewer arriving is going to continue from the levels that
we've seen.

Speaker 19 (51:50):
Well, so that the flows of New Zealand citizens, what
you can say, is it consistently over time that's being
very large numbers of New Zealand citizens who have left
New Zealand and not returned. That patterns very clear stance
the late nineteen seventies, around eight hundred, eight hundred and
fifty thousand New Zealand citizens have left and not come
back if we think about overall. But it doesn't remain

(52:13):
the same all the time, so there's a lot of
even flow. So there are times when the level of
New Zealand citizens leaving and not returning as much lower
and there are times like right now where it's particularly high.
And the same actually goes for migrant arrivals as well,
which which do even flow, and often they're often associated
with the economic cycle, but also also associated when you

(52:34):
know there are issues around inequality for example, that can
that can lead to increase increased migration as well.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
What does it mean for our skills or shortage our
labor market.

Speaker 19 (52:46):
Well, again, just come back to the point where there
is a very large number of the departure of New
Zealand citizens, but the net migration rate is positive, in
fact it's very high, so arguably there's actually there's actually
an increase in the number of people available or coming
to New Zealand. Many of them will be coming here
to work. I think the question is the difference between

(53:07):
those groups, right, we're talking about citizens and non citizens,
and of course then the mix of people in different occupations,
which would need to get a bit more granular with
the data to really unpack that a bit more.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Do you know how we keep people here? That sounds terrible,
doesn't that we're going to lock them up or something front?
How do we encourage people to stay in New Zealand?
You know, the people that we need to stay here?

Speaker 19 (53:29):
Well, I mean, I mean, from my perspective, you can't
keep people here right in New Zealand. There's a kind
of moderl of democracy. Can't enforce rules of departure right,
which some countries who do. It's relatively uncommon. But what
we can think about is what kind of society do
we have? And one of the biggest drivers of immigration,

(53:52):
and I would argue that New Zealand citizen immigration is inequality.
And it's quite clear that over the last few decades
inequality in the country has increased, you know, it's evident,
and issues within the health sector and health inequity, but
it is evident in housing and affordability and the precarity
and the rental housing sector, and I don't think that's
actually getting any better right now. So while immigration is

(54:13):
not new and there's not suddenly a new pattern of
New Zealand citizens believing it's been a had for some time,
it is we have very high numbers now, much higher
than what used to be the highest levels of immigration.
I think a lot of that is to do with
the growth of inequality over many decades, which you know,
it's not really being substantially addressed by governments. And for me,

(54:36):
I would say, you want to address immigration levels, you
need to make me deal in an inclusive society where
there's a focus on social justice and a focus on
creating opportunities people to see viable lives for themselves and
for their families.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Francis, thank you so much for your thoughts. That was
psychology sociology excuse me, sociology professor at Augland University of
Francis Collins. It is a eighteen to six.

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there is a great.

Speaker 21 (55:30):
Challenge about this, so I'm looking forward to getting stuck
into it.

Speaker 11 (55:32):
Boost the morale. And some of these young boys have
never played with them. They grew up watching them, So
to get a game with teachers I know something that they'll.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Be looking forward to as well. So it'll be a
nice way.

Speaker 11 (55:41):
To send them off. And tomorrow night running out next.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
One, it is time for the sports huddle and joining
us tonight is Clay Wilson, News Talk ZB sports news
director and Alex Powell ins It Held Online Sports editor.
Welcome to you both.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Creating Francesca who introduced.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Who's getting up at one am on Sunday morning to
watch the America's cap.

Speaker 11 (56:06):
Well, I I heard you won't be I've already heard
that this afternoon, I.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Will watch it, and I will watch it. I'll get up,
I won't look at the news and want look at
my phone, and I will watch it and very much
enjoy it. In a pre recorded manner.

Speaker 20 (56:19):
Yeah, well I heard what Plenty said is that maybe
a lot of people will and I feel like I'm
in this boat. Is maybe see you get up in
the morning and watch those replays check in with that.

Speaker 11 (56:29):
But then when it gets to the pointing if it starts.

Speaker 20 (56:31):
To get close, then maybe I'll drag myself out of
bed or pull the phone up in bed, you know,
and watch watch it live at that time in the morning.
But it will be interesting to see how many kiwis
get in and around it, given it's not on our
shores this time around.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeah, I think the races need to be close, don't they, Alex.
They need to be close to draw people in.

Speaker 22 (56:51):
I mean, I think Clay's got it, like absolutely right there.
Kiwis will get behind it if it's close. But also
if team's on, get up and win a few races.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
That simple, okay, So that's what they have to do
if they want us on board. They've just got to.

Speaker 22 (57:05):
Well we've been going back and forth over this Barcelona
thing for a few years now. Everything that needs to
be said has been said. So once they're out there,
and if they weren't a few, then everyone will get
on board. I think that is that symbol.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Yeah, I think it is. And the other thing too
is I think that ANYOSS I wouldn't be surprised did
they take out the first two races. Just because they've
been racing so consistently, there'll be sharper on their starts,
I reckon it. We just it might take as little
while to get rolling clay. What do you reckon?

Speaker 11 (57:30):
Yeah, potentially.

Speaker 20 (57:30):
I mean obviously, Tim New Zealand got to race in
the early part of the time in Barcelona that preliminary regatta,
so they did get a few of racing under their belt.
But of course these other teams have been going head
to head for the last two or three weeks now,
so I mean there's nothing like a bit of match fitness.

Speaker 16 (57:46):
So to speak.

Speaker 11 (57:47):
So we may see something like that.

Speaker 20 (57:49):
But I think it's pretty widely regarded that Team New
Zealand have a fast boat and you know we're the
team to chase in that preliminary regatta. So it'll be
interesting just to see how much ANYOS has closed the
gap and how much they're That kind of match fitness
plays into it.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Alex Shawn Johnson's back, I know, how good is it?

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Good?

Speaker 22 (58:06):
Would have been great. See well, I mean yes and no.
The narrative's great that Sean Johnson gets to potentially sign
off on a HiPE. But I mean the worrying thing
is just the Kewis don't have any other halves.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
When you put it like that, Clay.

Speaker 20 (58:21):
Yeah, well, I mean that's pretty much what it got to,
and it was looking pretty dire, you know, like in
the latter part of the season when a few people
started to fall over and we all had our hopes
pinned on Jerome Hughes and then of course played in
the Grand Final and now has been ruled out.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
So like Alex, he is a great narrative. I mean,
I'm a Sean Johnson fan.

Speaker 20 (58:38):
I love what he's done for the Warriors and what
he's done who he's been throughout his career. Will he
be enough to turn what is you know, a really
heavily impacted by injury and departures and people going to
rugby union in terms of the Kiwi's their squad. I
don't know if he'll be enough to perhaps turn it
around against the side like Australia, But who knows. I mean,
Sewan Johnson has been mercurial times throughout his career and

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you know what he's done so far.

Speaker 11 (59:03):
Wouldn't you want to put it against.

Speaker 20 (59:04):
Him to come in and do something pretty magic for
a Kiwis outfit that's missing a number of players.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Aside from Johnson Alex, are you happy with the rest
of the Kiwi's team.

Speaker 22 (59:15):
I mean, there are so many players that you look
at and go, well, if they were there, that would
just make this team a lot better. But I think
that is the risk of playing international rugby league. At
the end of the NFL season. The NRAL takes up
thirty one weeks of the year, so guys are going
to get banged up. I think the positive for Kiwis
fans here is that Australia in a pretty similar boat.
I mean, look, who aren't playing for them just through

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four man injury. Nathan Cleary's not there daily, Cherry Evers
and James Desko being dropped, Jake Taboya which isn't there's
that's both state of origin captains there, So you'd say
Australia are probably slightly in front in terms of the
Pacific Championships. But we saw what this Kiwis team did
last year.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break
back with the sports Huddle in.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Just a moment, the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand
Southby's International Realty elevate the market of your home.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
And on the sports Huddle today I have Clay Wilson
and Alex Powell. Guys, how much of Bathhurst do you enjoy? Alex,
You'll be a fan, wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'd love Bathurst.

Speaker 22 (01:00:11):
I think in motorsport there's only really a handful of
great races that you get. So in F one you
get the Monaco Grand Prix, Indica, you get the NDY
five hundred, NASCAR, the Daytona five hundred, and Bathurst is
our one. So I think this is a really good
time of year to be a motorsport fan and just
park up all weeken.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
And chuck it on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
How much of it is hype, Alex A.

Speaker 22 (01:00:32):
I mean a lot of it. But that's the whole point,
you know, we need hype for these things because without it,
what's the point?

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
You amped?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Clay Well, I.

Speaker 20 (01:00:40):
Used to watch a lot of Bethists and I used
to get a quite off and sit down on the
Sunday afternoon and watch it.

Speaker 11 (01:00:44):
Probably not much as much though anymore.

Speaker 20 (01:00:46):
That's probably more of a stage of life thing, to
be honest, But yeah, certainly, I think probably you know,
when we had the likes of Scott McLaughlin and Shane
BEng Gersberg and you know, going head to head or
in the continent for.

Speaker 11 (01:00:58):
The championship, probably for you know, your casual KEI we
motorsport fan, there was a bit more interest. But I
mean it's a great series.

Speaker 20 (01:01:04):
It's always super competitive, the coverage is excellent of it.

Speaker 11 (01:01:08):
So if you're someone you know who can has.

Speaker 20 (01:01:10):
The time to sit down and watch, you will. And
you know, I have already spoken to a couple of
people this week. You have, you know, parties at their
flat planed or parties at their house or you know,
sit out on the deck and put a temporary TV
up kind of kind of style.

Speaker 11 (01:01:23):
So I think it still does happen, and.

Speaker 20 (01:01:24):
It is, like Alex says, in our part of the world,
something that motorsport fans can really get around.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I gave Raffer a very bad rap on his twenty
two Grand Slam career earlier in the show when I went, oh,
we're losing one of the nice guys. I mean, I
think there's a little bit more to his tennis, to
Nadal's tennis legacy than just we're losing. You know, obviously
part of the big three. Someone did remind me about
any Murray it was a big form, but maybe what

(01:01:50):
do you see his legacy as Clay.

Speaker 20 (01:01:53):
Well, for me, I was thinking about this, and you know,
obviously I think it is really a big three. While
you know a lot of people loved and you murry
to me, it's a big three. You looked at Jokovic
and feder they sort of people that some people loved,
some people didn't love so much, especially in the case
of Jokovic, and I feel like Nadal was probably the
one in the middle that everyone kind of liked.

Speaker 11 (01:02:15):
And I don't know too many people that really were.

Speaker 20 (01:02:17):
Tennis fans or sports fans that didn't like Rapha Nadal
in terms of what he was as a tennis player,
but also just his personality such like a dogged, determined
athlete who you know, you really got the best out
of his talents.

Speaker 11 (01:02:29):
And while he was incredibly talented, to.

Speaker 20 (01:02:31):
Compete in that era, you know, you had to have
other attributes and that's what that that was his was
to be just so determined get every single ball back
and chase everything down. So you know, I think, you know,
it's very firmly among that three as players that will
be remembered forever in that sport.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
That was clearly an issue with my tennis. If it
was a bit too far away, just really couldn't be bothered.
Alex thoughts on Nadhal.

Speaker 22 (01:02:56):
I really echo a lot of what Clay said. I
think the big thing about and the big thing about
sport in that regard is you need the rivalries. And
for a lot of time it was Federer v. Nadal,
they were doing it against each other before Jokovic came along,
and obviously, like to be honest, when it came when
I saw the news that he'd retired, in my head,
I thought, didn't already retire because he does feel like
he's just been injured for about ten years now, retired,

(01:03:19):
his body retired, but always good to get out there
and get those last paychecks why you can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
But no, I mean, that's crol. Alex already think I
don't know if it wre man. You know, he hasn't
played that much in the last few year because he
had the hip operation of various things. But I don't know,
you should be allowed to put the time. I don't
feel like he was out there trying to turn up
when he couldn't perform.

Speaker 22 (01:03:39):
Well, when was the last time he won anything?

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Yeah, I'll just google that. Yeah, exactly, all right, point made,
point made anyway, I still feel like we're losing one
of the lovely ones staying with tennis though, when Woden
is moving to the electronic line umpiring. That was the
other sort of big news week, which is really just
a sort of a you know, you just have to
get over a bit of tradition really. I mean, it's

(01:04:05):
what most of the Grand Slams do, isn't it Clay?

Speaker 20 (01:04:08):
Yeah, and you know what Like in terms of technology
and sport, I've certainly been someone who's been a critic
of some of it and is still not a big fan,
especially in the likes of rugby and cricket. But I
think tennis, you know, the sport lends itself to it
a bit because you know, the balls in and out,
but the way they do it, the speed they do
it with to have one of the majors not using it,

(01:04:29):
and I know the French Open doesn't use it, but
of course we have the clay which can define that.
It makes it a bit easier and I think it
just makes sense, doesn't it. Like it's been around for
so long and all the other tennis tournaments and all
the other.

Speaker 11 (01:04:40):
Majors that you know, it's sad to lose the tradition.
I'm a purist of sport as well.

Speaker 20 (01:04:46):
It is a bit sad in that sense, but I
think it's, you know, a logical decision at the end
of the day, you know, for a massive, massive sporting event.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Thank you both very much for joining me on the huddle.
That was Clay Wilson and Alex Powell. It is a
six to six on.

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Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Thank you very much for your feedback. Francesca. People are
overlooking that Team New Zealand was out on the water,
racing up and down outside the course during the Louis
Vuitton Cup. I was there in Barcelona and watched them.
Cunning strategy that got out in the same conditions and
tested themselves. Very good to know I thought it was
very strange the way that they also were in the
very first was it the Challengers Cup that was the
very first one that began like a month ago. They

(01:05:33):
also raced in that, so they sort of they've had
an opportunity to sort of, you know, eye up the competition.
Regarding the migration numbers, how much impact has the many
many who returned to New Zealand during COVID lockdowns around
the world, a number came home. How many of them
decided to head back out there again? Thank you? Well,

(01:05:53):
I think that's a really good question. I think there
were probably quite a few who did that. And also
Bruce Texas when she scrid love to know how many
people live in New Zealand were immigrants who came here
to get a better education and get New Zealand citizenship
to make it easier to get into countries like Australia. Yeah,
I hear that that is quite common. People come and
work here, they get the qualification and then head off

(01:06:14):
to Ozzie. So unfortunately that is happening in certain sectors
as well. Thanks for the feedback, Keep it coming. Next hour,
we are going to take a look at inflation. It's
finally easing across the board, so we will cover that
off with ASB Senior economist you with NEWSOOKZB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
It is seven pass six. Good to have you with us.
Coming up this hour, we're going to talk to an
international geopolitical analyst about the significance of a prime minister
for Christopher Luxon and his meeting with the Indian Prime Minister.
One New Zealand has been given the go ahead to
start testing their Starlink satellite to mobile service here, so
we're going to find out when that might become available,

(01:07:08):
and of course we will head to the UK and
talk to Gavin Gray near the end of the hour.
Right inflation appears to be easing, although some costs are
continuing to search. The latest figures from Stats New Zealand
show petrol is fourteen point nine percent cheaper than a
year ago, and food prices rose one point two percent.
Fruit and veggie is eight point three percent cheaper, but

(01:07:32):
olive oil is fifty eight percent price here man is it? Ever?
While butter chocolate, biscuits and alcohol have also been getting dearer,
asb Senior economist Mark Smith joins me. Now, good evening, Mark,
how are you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:07:46):
Good evening?

Speaker 16 (01:07:47):
Good?

Speaker 21 (01:07:47):
Thanks?

Speaker 8 (01:07:47):
How are you a bit of.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
A mixed bag? There isn't it? Some highs and lows? Yes?
Are we seeing though signs inflation is getting under control.

Speaker 21 (01:07:56):
Yes, yeah, there are welcome signs of that happening. But
as you said, this quite a lot of variation. But
really what we've done to see is the general tendency
for price increases is slowing and that is really encouraging.
Two households have really been under the cosh over the
last few years.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
So what are still the biggest drivers of inflation.

Speaker 21 (01:08:15):
Well, really, when you look at it, you've got the
external environment. So as you see, petrol prices fell in
the quarter and that's likely to bear a major contributed
towards falling external prices that we expect for the year,
so down around one and a half percent. But on
the other side, the domestic component of inflation remains elevated
at around five percent. Now, looking at those certain areas,

(01:08:39):
there are some welcome signs things like construction cost inflation
should sharply fall in the quarter, but Unfortunately, there are
a lot of cost increases. Things like local authority rates
and insurance will keep that domestic in placement rate high.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Will they also to help ease any of this? I'm
sort of thinking about rents and things.

Speaker 21 (01:08:59):
Really, the OCR is responding to the inflation rate rather
than the other way around. But what we are seeing
now is as the economy is calling inflationary pressures are
starting the call and as a result, the OCR is
moving lower. Now at four point seventy five percent, it's
still pretty much on the tighter side of neutral, which
is around three to four percent, but encouragingly, it's starting

(01:09:21):
to move lower.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Okay, what do you think this means for the CPI
next Wednesday?

Speaker 21 (01:09:28):
We expect a two point two percent and increase, but
as you said, there's quite a lot of variation, but
we do expect signs there to really confirm that the
central kndcien price increases is falling, core inflation is falling,
and as a result, the official cash rate needs to
move lower.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
From here, would you be happy with that two point
two percent increase? What would you like to see?

Speaker 21 (01:09:49):
Again? Again, the lower the better. It would depend on
the composition, But really, what we're seeing it's the reserve
bank if worked hard. But as a result, inflation is
certainly calling. So as a result, we expect at least
the fifty basis point cup in the official cash rate
in November.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Yeah, we sort of we're just sort of we're edging
along and now we're taking quite big leaps with the
ocr aren't we. Do you think that will continue?

Speaker 21 (01:10:16):
I think until we get to sort of more neutral levels.
So at the moment, the OCA is at four point
seventy five percent if you like the Goldilocks zones, you know,
three to four percent, So they need to move it
pretty quickly now with evidence inflation is pretty much you know,
it's been beaten. The inflation beef has been beaten. Never
say never, but signs is certainly encouraging. So as a

(01:10:38):
result they need to really take the foot off the
brake pedal and move into neutral. Unfortunately, if the economy
really weakens, they might need to actually put the foot
on the accelerator and that means the official cash rate
lower than three percent.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Okay, oh, look good to talk to you. Thank you
very much Mark for talking us through that. That was
asb Senior economist Mark Smith, it is eleven past six.
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Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Maria has texted me and thank you very much for
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Speaker 14 (01:11:15):
Maria.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
I'm going back to the sports huddle here just before
the news and we were talking about Nadala and how
he is retiring at the end of the year and things,
and there was a bit of a snide comment about well,
wen did he One of my contributors said, well when
did he win something last? And Maria has just made
the point. Only two years ago, twenty twenty two, he
won the French Open. So thank you very much for

(01:11:36):
pointing that out. We deserve a bit of a serve
for that. You'd think that miss sports Huddle would know that,
but you know, here we go just giving a bit
of kudos back to nadal There right a step forward
for New Zealand's relations with India. The Prime Minister Christopher
Luxen is in last for the East Asia Summit, where
today he met with India's Prime Minister Nerendi Modi who

(01:12:00):
invited him to visit India in the new year. Luxon
says New Zealand's relationship with India is moving in the
right direction, with the two discussing trade in other ways
to work together pre election national pledge to secure a
free trade deal with India. But this is the first
face to face the prime ministers have had. International geopolitical
analyst Jeffrey Miller joins me now on this good evening, Jeffrey.

Speaker 16 (01:12:23):
Good evening, Franchester, What what have they.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Talked about in this meeting?

Speaker 16 (01:12:29):
Look, I think this is the first safe to safe meeting,
so it will be very much getting to know each
other and just setting the ground for that visit by
Christopher Luxan to Indiana which is going to come early
next year. So I guess that was the real win
to come out of this meeting, the confirmation of an
invitation to visit India for Christopher Luxen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
It's really just an opportunity to say, yes, we'd be
happy to have some conversations in the future, isn't it Jeffrey.

Speaker 16 (01:12:57):
Essentially, yes, it's the beginning of the conversation. A free
trade deal is a very long way away. This is
a marathon, not a sprint when it comes to India.
I mean, Christopher Luxen is right to focus on India
as one of his foreign policy priorities. He makes the
point that India is going to be the third biggest
economy by twenty thirty. It's already the world's most populous nation.
It's the leader arguably of the global South. So yes,

(01:13:20):
India should absolutely be in the mix. At the same time,
India's the two way trade that New Zealand has with
India is less than ten percent of what New Zealand
has with China, and that's a relationship which is hugely
important to New Zealand. And Yet Christopher Luxen didn't have
a meeting with his Chinese counterpart in lass and Winston

(01:13:41):
Peters didn't meet with his Chinese counterpart of the UN
a couple of weeks ago, unlike Australia's Penny Wong. So
I think that perhaps is a crisis brewing when it
comes to New Zealand's engagement or lack thereof, with China,
because there's absolutely no visit on the horizon for Christopher
Luxe in to China or a visit Eban by wis
in Peter's the foreign when to start and we're one

(01:14:02):
year into this government now, I find that quite concerning.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Mkay. Do you think that this meeting takes a bit
of a focus off our relationship with China.

Speaker 16 (01:14:09):
Well, look, it's clear that this government wants to refocus
New Zealand's international relations. We've seen the move towards Australia,
the United States, the fact that New Zealand is becoming
interested in joining Pillar two of August. So that's the
context we're operating in, and clearly China is something that
is a bit difficult to handle for New Zealand. We

(01:14:29):
had that very positive visit by Lee Chang, the Chinese premier,
back in June, but since then, Christopher Luxon has actually
taken a fairly hawkish turn, you would say. He attended
the NATO summit in July, he gave quite a hawkish
speech in to the Lowe Institute in Sydney back in August,
and also hiked visa fees. Now that's applied to all nationals,

(01:14:52):
but China is one of our biggest tourism markets and
I think they would have taken it as something of
a slight given that they provided visa free access to
New zeal And Citizens for Tourism at that meeting back
in June when Lee Chang, the Chinese premier, came to
New Zealand. So I think there's a there's a crisis
brewing in some ways with China. I think New Zealand
really needs to step up its engagement with China while

(01:15:15):
not overlooking opportunities of the future when it comes to India.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
And you can do both, right, I mean, you know,
as you say, it's always a bit difficult and a
fine line dealing with China, but they are an important
trade partner and we have to be able to do
hard things. Jeffrey, we you can't just.

Speaker 16 (01:15:31):
Go on different indeed, and absolutely that the truths here. Look,
New Zealand has thirty eight billion dollars worth of two
way trade with China. They are our biggest trading partner
by far. I find it quite concerning that it was
not a priority to meet with Lee Chang at the
stage of summit and rebalance New Zealand's relations to some degree.

(01:15:53):
You know, New Zealand's often said that New Zealand places
walks as tightrope or has his balancing act, but there's
not a lot of balancing up going on At the moment,
it seems to be largely one way traffic. New Zealand
diversifying its relations away from China. You know, that is
a big risk for New Zealand. I think if New
Zealand doesn't get its relations with China back on an

(01:16:16):
even keel, you know, at some point there may be
some repercussions in New Zealand. Ter faith.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Any other outtakes from the summitch that you have diffree well.

Speaker 16 (01:16:25):
I thought one comment was really interesting by Christopher Luxon
at the media stand up today, and it was he
had absolutely no intention of meeting Sergey Lover of the
Russian Foreign Minister at the meeting. I think that's really
interesting when you look at this wider context of Christopher
Luxe and being happy to meet Narendramodi, the Indian Prime Minister,
because of course India talks to everyone. India has good

(01:16:47):
relations with Russia, good relations with Western countries overall. I
think New Zealand is a small state absolutely has the
power to play this role in terms of dialogue, diplomacy,
de escalation and actually that thing. It's that helpful to
just say I don't want to talk to sege lover
of the Russian Foreign Minister. While he's got the opportunity
to do so, I think he should and put New
Zealand's position when it comes to war in Ukraine and

(01:17:10):
at least have a conversation and keep some dialogue open
with Russia while he had the opportunity. I mean, you
can argue he shouldn't go out of his way to
meet his Russian counterparts, but I think it's a bit
it's a bit silly actually, just to say no, I
don't want to go and talk to him. I won't
talk to him at all while I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Okay, And look, finally, do you think Christopher Laximith's meeting
with more global counterparts than Chris Hipkins did? Or it
is my memory just fading? Or is it also because
he's just so new in the PM seat.

Speaker 16 (01:17:40):
Well, I went through the list of his foreign trips
this year that Christphluxen has made, and we're up to already.
I think trip number eleven. We're just quite you know,
I think quite something, or might be over the year
since he became Prime Minister, and might include those ones
at the end of last year. But either way, that's
a significant number of trips, and it's quite clear that
Christopher lux And does prioritize international relations and foreign policy.

(01:18:02):
I think that's a good thing for New Zealand. I
think it's good that Winston Peters of course is prioritizing
traveling as well. He's tried to get to every country
in the Pacific Islands for and I think he's managed
all of the countries now territories apart from New Caledonia.
But I'm sure you'll get there in the coming year.

(01:18:23):
So I think it's very good to prioritize just getting
out there, and especially after all that COVID period where
New Zealand just wasn't getting out there and traveling enough
when it comes to our Prime minister and Foreign minister.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Appreciate your thoughts. Jeffrey, really nice to talk to you.
And that was international geopolitical analyst Jeffrey Miller. It is
twenty one past six years News Talks ZBB.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
I thank you very much for your feedback as somebody
to make the point if the Prime Minister met, if
he did meet with the Russian Minister of the media
would have had a field day saying we're supporting Russia
in some way. Essentially, if just Sinda durn another text
read he's got an invite to visit India, would it
be played down? Like hely, India has more potential for

(01:19:20):
growth in China, who we already do a lot with.
But I did think that was really interesting. Actually, Jeff,
we're just making that comment where you're there. Why wouldn't
you make that effort to just, you know, continue that
relationship on just gently with China. So that was very
interesting to hear his thoughts there. At the end of
the hour, we're going to head to the UK to

(01:19:42):
talk to Gavin Gray and I'm really keen to know
whether he has read former Prime Minister Boris Johnson's memoir
which has just been released today. It's called Unleashed, even
though I think he's always unleashed, isn't he. The book
covers his time as the London mayor, the Brexit campaigner,
foreign secretary and the Prime Minister, and most of the
time when a form released as a memoir you generally

(01:20:02):
expect there to be some reflection within it. Apparently this
is not the case worth Boris Johnson's book. Apparently he
gives his version of all the big episodes, but then
he sort of dodges all the large issues they raised.
There's no reflection going on there at all. He's just
kind of rewriting history to suit his narrative. Anyway, He's
been all over the media in the last week selling
this book, and he's been making quite a splash for

(01:20:23):
his statements. In the book. He claims the Queen had
bone cancer. He wrote, I had no one for a
year or more that she had a form of bone
cancer in her Doctors will worried that at any time
she would enter a sharp decline. He wrote about the
final time meeting the late monarch, describing her as stooped
and having bruises on her hands from drips or injections.

(01:20:44):
Not usually sure that's respectful for the Queen or whether
she would be interested in that information, Begaup. I have
no idea whether it's correct or not. This one amused me.
He had to have the flat in number ten redecorated
when he became Prime Minister because the previous incumbent had
left it looking like a crack den. The incumbent was
the reason. May probably wouldn't describe to reason they as

(01:21:09):
a crack addict, But then how does Boris know what
a crack den looks like? Anyway? Other stories of note
that are making the realms. He seemed to have seriously
contemplated making a ludicrous armed raid on the Netherlands in
order to bring millions of Astrazeneka vaccine doses to Britain.
Apparently he almost drowned on holiday in Scotland in summer

(01:21:31):
twenty twenty two because he was determined to sit out
at sea in an inflatable kayak to avoid the Highland
midg midges. Then he comes super close to implying that
Benjamin Netanyahu personally planted a listening device in his private
department bathroom. Honestly, it just goes on and on. I'm
gonna be honest with you. I'm going to put my

(01:21:51):
name down on list for the library for this because
it just we all need to laugh, don't we. And
I think that we're going to get one. You're with
a new stocks he'dbhades are up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Next crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Francesca
Ruggan with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the
HR solution for busy SMS on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
You know it is twenty five two seven.

Speaker 12 (01:22:35):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
Look, if you are waiting for someone to get off
the Blue Bridge ferry the Connie Marra, and they haven't
texted you or ready to tell you, the ship lost
power to one of its engines just after five pm.
Apparently it is fully operational again. The anchor is being
lifted and there is a tugboat on standby four hundred

(01:22:58):
and thirty five people on board. It should be able
to birth shortly. I'm not sure whether it has yet
or whether it has moved yet. But yeah, if you're
wondering why someone hadn't got home in time for Friday drinks,
they could be on the and they're on the Connie Marrah.
That's just because they're having their drinks. Are sitting sitting,

(01:23:19):
I shouldn't laugh, sitting near the northern tip of the
Mirama Peninsula. It's really no longer breaking news. Is it
anything to do with theories. It's just kind of part
of our day to day life here in New Zealand.
Let's hope that the government are going to get on
and sort out what they can with the fairies that
they look after. Right twenty three to seven, Francesca One

(01:23:43):
New Zealand has been given the go ahead to start
testing of their Starlink satellite to mobile service here in
New Zealand, so forty percent of the country currently has
no mobile coverage and one in New Zealand en Z
says satellite to sell a place a vital in keeping
people connected, and the CEO of One New Zealand, Jason Paris,

(01:24:04):
joins me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Now, good, evening good.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
How does this technology work?

Speaker 23 (01:24:11):
So think of the cell towers that you see around
your neighborhood. Some people like them, some people admittedly. What
happens is they basically get strapped to satellites, and then
those satellites get strapped to rockets, and then the rockets

(01:24:32):
get launched three hundred and fifty kilometers up into space
into lower orbit, and then those satellites they get distributed
into a constellation of other satellites and they've been signals
back to your mobile phone back in little old New

(01:24:54):
Zealand to allow you to be able to make a
text message, make a phone call, or use or use data,
so it's quite extraordinary technology that we're.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Bringing to us on Jason, how many satellites do you need?

Speaker 23 (01:25:10):
So it depends on what you want to do. So
if you want to text, you need about three hundred,
which we're on track to have by the end of
the year. So these rockets with satellites on them are
being launched every week. To do voice, you need fifteen hundred,

(01:25:30):
so oney, five hundred of them. The reason you need
more with voice is you need constant coverage. When you've
got when you're making a phone call, it can't trap
where when you've got when you're doing a text message.
If I sent you to a text and it took
a minute to send and for you to receive it,
you wouldn't know that. And if then you receive and

(01:25:52):
send a text message, expect to me, I wouldn't know
that it took an extra you a minute to do that.
So you need three hundred with satellites to do text
messaging and there'll be a delay of a few minutes.
But you need a lot more than that if you
want to do our voice, which is about twelve months later.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Testing is going to kick off very shortly. What does
the testing look like.

Speaker 23 (01:26:17):
So we have done a bunch of testing so far
already we have sent text messages and we've tested also
the kind of we've altered in some video calling. But
we now need to do that at scale, and so
we just got to approve all this suite from the FCC,

(01:26:37):
which is the US regulator, to be able to launch
this service from a testing perspective in New Zealand. So
from the next week we'll do ten weeks testing. We'll
do that testing on a whole bunch of different devices,
so a range of different smartphones. We'll use those smartphones

(01:26:59):
smartphone all and right across the country in different places,
just to make sure that before we launch this to
everyone that we're confident that it works on every device
that we say it can and all the locations that
we've set it with.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
How much coverage will this give New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (01:27:22):
So just to explain again, the satellites when they are
up in lower orbits, they beam back down from space
to New Zealand. So the advantage that you have with
this coverage from space is that it covers the higher country.

(01:27:42):
So as a satellite is flying through space at twenty
seven thousand kilometers, an hour. That's how fast they are going,
and there's another one right behind it. They are constantly
beaming signals back down to New Zealand. So at the
moment we've got forty percent of the country that doesn't
have coverage, that doesn't have three G or four G

(01:28:04):
or five G coverage. This will sort that and it
will also mean that right out to see so our
license is twelve nautical miles off the coast of Museum.
It means even if you're in a fishing boat, then
you will be able to have a smartphone in your
hand see the sky and you'll be able to send

(01:28:27):
a text message. Once we've been demonstrating and finishing all
the testing that seeing the sky is an important another
important one franchise. So at the moment we know that
if you can see the sky, the service works. We
know that it actually works if you're in a room

(01:28:48):
and you've got you and you're by the window. We
need to do a whole bunch of other testing inside
and outside buildings, the bridges and dense bush, all that
time of stuff to make sure that when we say
to someone if you're a remote part of New Zealand
and you need to you need to get in contact

(01:29:09):
with someone that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
You can When will the service be on offer to
the public, So.

Speaker 23 (01:29:17):
In the early in the new year, so that the
plan was to launch this in twenty twenty four. The
delay wasn't actually from a technical perspective, so the rocket
has been launching on time. All of the satellites are
working well. The testing that I said was ifore work
pretty well. But there were a few complaints from Talco's

(01:29:42):
in the United States who thought that the satellite service
might interfere with their existing networks, and the SCC, which
is the US regulator, had to take its time to
work through that. That's now been sorted and we can
move into testing. Our government, by the way, has given

(01:30:04):
us approval to launch the service many months ago, so
there's been no similar concern from from New Zealand. That's
the way that we're deploying that technology will interfere with
existing with existing networks.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Thank you so much Jason for talking us through that.
There was CEO of one New Zealand, Jason Paris. I
thought it was really interesting when he was talking about
at the moment, you know, you need to be able
to see the sky because and they have to be
very careful about how they do promote this and when
they say that it's going to mean that New Zealand
will have one hundred percent coverage. As somebody who loves
to head into the bush and go quite remote in
the middle of nowhere, I always carry a personal location

(01:30:40):
beacon with me and even when this is in place,
I still will because you just cannot really be one
hundred percent guaranteed, can you that you will get the
reception that you need if you need it. Hey, look,
if you are a bit of a stargazer though, and
you want to enjoy the sky before it is covered
in satellites durpling around New Zealand, and New Zealanders are

(01:31:01):
going to be treated to a dazzling night sky display.
Fingers crossed. There is a geo tonight. There is a
geomagnetic storm bound for New Zealand and it's bringing with
it the possibility of more aurora activity. So the aurora
activity each might be visible in the Lower North Island
and the South Island tonight. There are clear skies forecast

(01:31:23):
across central and Northern North Island, but not in the East.
And as you probably know, the aurora they're generally not
visible with the naked eye, but can be seen with
taking a long exposure photograph.

Speaker 16 (01:31:37):
So there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
If you happen to be in the Lower North Island
and the South Island tonight and it's a beautiful, clear night,
not too chilly out there, head out when it gets
dark with your with your camera, take a long exposure
photo and see what you come up with. Sounds wonderful.
It is a fifteen to six. We are going to

(01:31:59):
head to the UK shortly oh seven.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
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Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Listener makes a very good point on the text machine
that my personal location Beacon will had the same restrictions
as both sending signals to a satellite. I think when
you know that your PLB it's batteries, all good and everything,
I still think it's good to have both there. I
mean I'd probably take too many photos and run down
my phone battery and things like that, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:32:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
I just feel like there's more that can go wrong there.
That's just me, just in my head. But thank you
very much for pointing that out. I appreciate that we're
going to head to the UK and Europe. Now it
is time to catch up with Gavin Gray. Good evening, Gavin.

Speaker 12 (01:32:48):
Him Francisca, good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
The UK government is investigating thirty seven UK linked businesses
but potentially breaking Russian oil sanctions.

Speaker 12 (01:32:58):
Tell me about this, yeah, well, of course the Russians.
The sanctions brought in against Russia were introduced by the
UK and other countries following the invasion of Ukraine in
twenty twenty two, but since then critics said they're not
very effective because the latest figures actually show the Russian
economy is growing. So the question is how is that
being allowed to happen. Well, a report out suggests there

(01:33:21):
are thirty seven businesses that have links to the UK.
It is thought that they are potentially maritime insurance firms.
Why does that matter? Well, because what it's enabling Russia
to do, if it's true, is effectively to have Russian
oil refined in another country and then bought around the world. So,

(01:33:43):
in other words, a loophole in the sanctions effectory effectively
and some of the oil is being exported into the UK,
but because it's being refined third country, then it sort
of is escaping these very sanctions. So although the government
and authority see are saying, look that this cap is

(01:34:06):
reducing Russia's tax revenues from oil, it does appear there
are loopholes around it. We don't know the names of
the companies involved, and we do know there are some
fairly hefty sanctions fines that can be given out to
companies who break these rules, but so far no finding
and many a calling for these sanctions to be tightened

(01:34:28):
up considerably.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Gavin good times for people under thirty five and Portugal, yeah,
very much so.

Speaker 12 (01:34:36):
They are absolutely the government in Portugal absolutely slashing the
amount of tax that they have to pay if you're
under thirty five. And it's all an attempt to try
and dissuade people from emigrating from Portugal and also encourage
foreigners to settle in Portugal. So this has been presented

(01:34:57):
to Parliament. The center right government of the Prime is
aiming to reduce income tax for young people considerably, so
those with an average salary of just under thirty five
thousand New Zealand dollars currently paid twenty six percent rate
of tax on the money they earn over roughly it's
sort of roughly over about twenty thousand New Zealand dollars

(01:35:20):
twenty five thousand New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:35:22):
But under the.

Speaker 12 (01:35:22):
Government's plans, those I have anander can earn up to
fifty thousand New Zealand dollars and will pay nothing at
all in tax for the first year. The tax burnden
will then progressively increase over ten years. And this does measure.
This measure does apply to foreigners as well. It's all
because in recent years many foreigners are flocked to Portugal,

(01:35:45):
lured by affordable rents, mild weather and natural beauty, but
many others of the under thirty five age bracket are
leaving Portugal with low salary in that country a major
major issue, combined with rents going up considerably in particularly
the towns and cities of Portugal. So this is a

(01:36:05):
bold move. I wait to see if it works, wait
to see if it does come in.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Well, Kevin, we've just been talking on the show today
about the migration issues we have here in New Zealand
and trying to keep our young talented New Zealanders here
and now they're probably are just going to heat the Portugal.
So thank you for thank you for The Princess of
Wales has made an unexpected appearance alongside the Prince of Wales.

Speaker 12 (01:36:26):
Yeah, significant step. I think it's her first official public
engagement since she finished her chemotherapy treatment and she visited
southpot which is in northwest England and where three children
were killed in a knife attack back in July that
we were reporting on. She met the parents of the bereaves.

(01:36:47):
She also met the emergency service workers with Prince William
as well, and the couple respoke to those first that
devastating attack in the seaside town of Southport. Catherine some
of the emergency workers with the local far chiefs, saying
that you know, she could really see emotion in them all,

(01:37:08):
including the royals. It was planned as a low key
event to allow time to be spent in private with
the families and Catherine was a sort of a surprise edition.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
And whether it's Macro, MicroB or just playing economics, it's
all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and
my HR the HR platform for sme us to.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
Xib Yeah, with news talks, HIBB Apology it's not sure
what happened together. And then we have a ghost producer
and action here at News Talks. Ybe at the moment,
but great to hear from her, and love you to
hear that The Princess of Wales is out and about.
Hopefully we'll be seeing more of her shortly. Thank you
so much for joining me the last couple of days.
It's been lovely just to visit and pop and I'll
be back on Sunday. I've got two really fabulous guests

(01:37:51):
on the Sunday session on Sunday. Britmasala is joining me
at ten She's got a really interesting story to tell,
just about growing up in rural Queensland and fitting in
and getting into the radio industry and dealing with anxiety
and being in the public eye and things. And also
Paula Hawkins, if you're a fan of her novel or
the movie The Girl on the Train, she's got a
new book out. It's called The Blue Out. It's really good,

(01:38:12):
could be her best yet. So we're going to talk
about that. So love to have you join us on
the Sunday session at nine am on Sunday. Don't forget
Nick Buley is going to be up next with Sports
Talk Andy, What did you pick for us tonight?

Speaker 17 (01:38:25):
Yeah, tonight we go out with some more Taylor Swift.
She just keeps playing or making big moves ahead of
the election. She's donated five million dollars to the hurricane relief.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
She's not You make it sound like she's sort of
she's running. She's running. She's not running. She's she's just
seen a disaster. She's got a bit of spare cash,
and she's kind.

Speaker 17 (01:38:45):
The amount of support that she's thrown behind Kamala Harris
would be pretty insane, wasn't it. I mean, she's pretty
much saved the US economy when heard, Yeah, but is
this about the election?

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
Is this about a terrible tragedy? And she's loaded.

Speaker 17 (01:39:00):
No, that's doing the right thing. Could be right, Maybe
it means cynical, but they're they're politicizing the whole thing
over there at the moment anyway, between Helene and the
latest one that hit last night in Milton. So anyway,
five million dollars, eight million dollars in New Zealand has
has gone to the efforts in Florida, which is nice
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Thanks team, thanks for joining me. Have a great Friday night.
See your Sunday at nine

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
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