Full Show Podcast: 11 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News doorgsz B.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
our US correspondent with an update on the man hunt
for Charlie Kirk's killers or killer and how they got
the wrong person in custody, Laura Langman on the Dame
Nolean drama, and Erica Stanford on the new year eleven
to year thirteen subjects that she's announced today.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Wonder how those netball players who complained about Dame Nolean
field today, because what they've done is probably let's be
honest and her career and also brought out a swell
of support that I can't imagine that they foresaw. Silver
Fern's legend. Laura Langman's gone on social media called this
the saddest day in New Zealand netball history. Gordon Titchens,
the sevens rugby legend, called us at Newstalk ZB to

(00:54):
convey his support for Dame Knowles. Former coach Vonn Willering
says Noles is not old school at all and she'd
listen to her players. Now, the details of what has
happened to get to this point are fairly sketchy. Everybody's
trying to keep things quiet. But what we know is
that two players complained on behalf of a group of players,
and that sparked a review, and that review has led

(01:14):
to her being stood down. And what these players have
complained about is her communication style and that they were
psychologically unsafe. Now, you can probably figure out what's going
on here, can't you. We've got a generational problem, don't we.
This looks to me like a generation of young players
who don't like tough feedback and hard words. For whatever
reason that is, I don't know. Maybe because they are

(01:36):
the generation raised through gentle parenting techniques where mum and
dad didn't want to have to say no to them,
so didn't say no to them, didn't want to tell
them they've been bad kids and being naughty. And maybe
they're the generation that came through the education system, the
current one where everyone gets a pass and no one
experiences failure. They are the ones who've gone and complained
because they're psychologically unsafe, to which I think most of

(01:59):
us who've experienced a little bit of life and didn't
go through this nonsense with parenting and schooling, would say,
do you know what you need to do? You need
to grow up, you need to get hard. Life is tough.
You're an elite athlete. If your welfare is getting in
the way of your excellence, get out of the squad. Unfortunately,
for us, the person who is out of the squad
is someone who understands excellence and has actually achieved a

(02:19):
hell of a lot of excellence. And unfortunately, she will
probably stay out of the squad even though she's only
been stood down at the moment. I mean, think about it,
I can't see her coming back in. If they have
to pick between one coach and several players, they're gonna
choose the several players, aren't they. And frankly, I don't
think that Dame Knowles should want to come back because
if her excellence and her skills aren't appreciated by this

(02:41):
generation of players.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Why bother Heather do proceeed?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Hey, hey, hello, helloo, let you know what you're think
And by the way, yeah, Laura Langman is going to
be with us after five o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Now, Scott Robertson has revealed his team for the second
match against South Africa on Saturday night. He's made six
changes to the starting side. Tokiya who is in for Taylor,
Rico Yuanni is out, Noah Hotham and Tyrel Lomax are back,
and Finley Christie and Fleck Nile will also be on
the bench. Leroy Carter will make his debut on the
left wing. Now. Versatile loose forward Wallace Atiti is going
to remain at number eight. We spoke to him earlier.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
High Wallace, Hey, hey, hello, hello.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
How's the body going?

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Yeah, but a fecial bodies after last week? It was
a big game, so yeap recover the well hopefully well
to go to sickond Was it?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Was it because somebody suggested you guys took more contact,
like the contact load was heavier than a normal game.
Was it?

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
I guess he felt that way, said you have the
Souf African you know, big boys. Yet was heavy contact
as we expected it to be and yep got right
to recovery afterwards.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
So did you did you feel like was this week?
Did you feel it in your body this week more
than you normally would?

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Uh? This week?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like this past week? Have you been in the in
the ice spars and in the spas and in the
saunas and hitting the physio and the whole shebang.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yep, or the whole thing human right now as we speak.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
So what are you getting?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
What's happening right now?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
I'm not just physios?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So are you telling me the physio is touching you
while you're talking to me? Yea, yes, okay, Wallace paint
is a picture? What part of your body are they
working on right now?

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Just a sort of cards and yeah and all that.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
So yeah, now, jeez, I tell you what. We were
all nervous going into that game, and then within what
was it three minutes you set all the nerves. What
was it that you guys got it?

Speaker 8 (04:51):
What?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
What made you fight the way you did at Eden Park?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (04:56):
I think that's high stakes? Was the looking forward to
that one. So I really made an emphasis to start well,
and I think we're just that.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Do you reckon you guys, because the question is whether
you can get up again for this game? Can you?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Of course?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Playing spring Box is always a the game and something
that we always look forward to, and not only every
chance we get to put on the black jersey always
go out there, child is so yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
And I'll ready for ye Are you ready for the
mind games that Russy Erasmus might play play in the
next couple of days.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Oh, try to stay away from there as players. But
you know, we we acknowledge that when we can and
try and focus on our own print.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Wallace, Thank you very much, Wallace. The t t all
black loose forward. I did go there, didn't it. I
mean I think at one point, like I tried really
not to make it sound like it was erotic. I
didn't want it to be erotic. But it did sound
like that, didn't it. So I do deserve it. If

(06:08):
you're like, oh, you're no better than Stewart Nash, You're
just a girl version. Yeah, God, I've absolutely got to
wear that right. Thank you, Libby, Thanks for that audio. Anyway.
So I've got bad news for you, terrible news, really
really bad news, especially if you're in Wellington. The ugly
Bridge is staying. But I think the Ugly Bridge has
got a reprieve. And I don't think this is a
temporary reprieve. I think this is a permanent thing. Now,

(06:29):
if you've been following the saga of the Ugly Bridge,
you will know that has been oh backwards and forwards,
in an out of court, in and out of council
and finally they barricaded the bloody thing off and they're
going to start demolishing it. And at the last minute Tory,
who ruins everything, sent out an email to the councilors
and was like, good news everyone, We're not going to
be knocking it down just yet. We're going to pause
it because we're now waiting for the government's updated recommendations

(06:51):
on earthquake assessments. Now, as much as I hate that bridge,
and I really do, because it's hideous, I actually think
they're doing the right thing here the governments. What the
government is doing is looking again at our earthquake standards.
Our earthquake standards are ridiculous, right, I mean, there are
perfectly acceptable structures out there that have been deemed to
be a threat to us when there really aren't at all.

(07:12):
And so we're spending millions, million, millions and millions and
millions of dollars knocking down buildings we don't have to
knock down. And but it's possible that this was going
to be one as well that had been deemed an
earthquake risk. But when you look at it without being
like a dickhead and actually just look at it like
a sensible grown up, you could see it's actually fine.
So as much as I hate this bridge, it was
going to cost a lot to knock it down on

(07:32):
a counter earthquakes. And if you don't have to spend
that money to knock it down on a counter earthquakes
because the rules were ridiculous and conservative, then you know
fair play. You don't have to knock it down. Just
another reason to think Wellington's uctly though he could have passed.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's the Heather duper see Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (07:53):
Heather, that's a low Wallace IQ right there. He had
no idea how to respond to your questions old on
attack though that's not fair. He was being touched up
as we were speaking. So can you answer questions when
somebody's busy rubbing your calves? Eighteen past four Sport with.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
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Speaker 2 (08:15):
Darcy water Grave sports talk host tallow Darce.

Speaker 9 (08:17):
I've never tried that before, having my calves rubbed and
been the end quisition by Heather Duplessi Allen.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I'll tell you what the actually, the All Blacks media
people had a lot of confidence in Wallace that he
was able to answer questions while being done by the physio.

Speaker 8 (08:30):
Okay, quite a lot of this.

Speaker 9 (08:31):
It's a very relaxing space.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
You could have got a.

Speaker 9 (08:32):
Lot out of them.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah or not anyway, So.

Speaker 9 (08:36):
Ri eighteen bit responsibly, let's run with the TB Okay.
So you got to say, ladies, you're listening to me
only bet we can afford to lose, because if you're
listened to me, you'll lose. Okay, but that's the whole idea.
You're going to lose if you put money on the
four NRL games there opening around to the finals, and
you run with the favorites and you put twenty bucks
on one hundred and fifteen dollars. Okay, if you go

(08:57):
the other way and get the underdogs to win all
of the games, and the Warriors are an underdog at
three dollars twenty and you put twenty bucks on seven
hundred and eighty seven dollars for the multi at the end, well,
you go somewhere in the middle. The idea predicting the
NRL is so hard. Panthers one thirty five, Wars three twenty,
the Storm and the Bulldogs, the one fifty two sixty Raiders,

(09:20):
one sixty eight Broncos to twenty Sharks two fifteen Roosters
one seventy. You can't split them. So go all in
one with the winners all the loser and see what happens.
And always make sure you're over eighteen and make sure
you betchl So.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I was in an accidentally in a taxi with the
new boss of the tab after the All Blacks game
on Saturday night. Had you accidentally because what happened was
when you go to Eden Park, right, it's impossible to
get out, and so unless you walk, Yeah, so you
have to walk a distance, but you can also wait
in the corporate box until the crowds have cleared. Like
this is definitely the IP experience. I'm not gonna lie, yeah,

(09:53):
I know, I know, I'm not gonna lie corporate box.
So anyway, so we're in there and I waited for
the crowds to clear and then we we walked out.
And then what you do is you just have to
accept that you're going to pay a lot for a
taxi to get home. Okay, so I got it?

Speaker 9 (10:08):
Do you a ride? Sheer work?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
You can't get anuber.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
And it's been triggered up to four million dollars to
free and you're.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Walking all the way to them in you're anyway. So
I happened to find a taxi right outside, a proper, real, normal,
real taxi. Wow, right as the guy from in Taine
was like, can I sar your taxi? And I was like,
who are you? Because he one hundred percent had on
the perfume that gives me a migraine as well.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
So I had to open the perfume.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I don't know nothing, it might be in a mani
and I had to stick my head out the window
like a dog so that the taxi driver was like
that girl's drink. But I wasn't. I was just trying
to not get a migraine from Andrew from Sydney, who
had no idea who I was. But I knew who
he was.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
How did you know?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Because he said he's Andrew from in Taine.

Speaker 9 (10:53):
Did you say I'm from Marta.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I complained about the fact that I couldn't open a
ta B account, so he said he told me how
to when.

Speaker 9 (11:01):
You put your head out of the window like that,
Because the happiest animal, the happiest mammal in the world
is the dog with its hit out the window. There's
no nothing happy in the world. Were you happy like that?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I was happy. Do you want to know how much
he charged me, that cab driver to get from Eden
Park to basically here where we work.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I hate to think.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Hundred dollars?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Can I do that?

Speaker 10 (11:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
One hundred dollars. Yeah. And then he charged Andrew one
hundred dollars to get from basically here to the cords,
so he basically made two hundred dollars. What is that rageous? Say?

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Oh my lord, is this sport? Well, I suppose it is,
and a run about conway.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
We don't want to talk about game hunting, so what's
his name about it? Talk to me about Knols. It's
a generational problem, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (11:41):
Well it seems like it. But when no one knows
anything for sure, and tell you what. The phones have
been running hot around here. You've seen the production staff.
Everybody's ringing, everybody give us some oil, and we can't
really get any I think you would come to the
conclusion that the generational situation. As you said, some of
the younger players don't like the way they're being treated
by the older coaches and thev.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But what's and all of this. I don't think people
realize it's not just Dame Knowles who's been stood down,
it's her whole coaching and management team, the whole lot
of them, because they're all united in this.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
And I wonder if they stood her down and she
told them all and that's what we're coming with you. Yeah,
I don't think they were still them all down at once.
We said no, you've got to sit down, and they've
all gone solidarity. We're coming as well too.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Right now, quick quick quick take from you on this, Heather,
Have we learned nothing from Olivia Podmore's tragedy? High performance
sport for women has changed forever. We no longer live
in the nineteenth century. Your attitude, Heather, shows your complete
ignorance as to how high level sport has changed.

Speaker 9 (12:40):
There are a number of different situation in if you're
talking specifically women's sport over the years with rugby, member
of hockey, with Mark Hagar back of the day, and
you say it on football, the football ferns and Andre's
haraf it goes on, and maybe it's because the way
any are willing to stand up and go no, no, no,
you do not on my watch. I think the public

(13:01):
will probably side with Dame no Lee when we find
out more about that. She's much loved, and of course
Laura Angman's come out. I believe she's going to be
on your show to talk about that. But I think
the big thing here, the overarching thing for me, is
that this has been very poorly handled by the people
New ZEALANMS and that's the big thing here.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Thanks Darcy. Darcy Walter Grave will be back with Sports
Talk at seven. It's four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather doups Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of Satellite
mobile News.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Doorgs Envy four twenty five. Listen. The situation with Charlie Kirk,
if you've caught up on it, is that they originally
this is the law enforcement who were there when he
was shot, have taken somebody into custody and then figured
out that they've taken the wrong person into custody. So
a man hunter's underway. So Jonathan Cursley, our US correspondent,

(13:55):
is going to be with us after five o'clock. We've
got the new secondary school subjects that have been released
by the government. We're going to speak to Erica Stanford
about this latter on. This is for years eleven to
thirteen for the new curriculum, and a bunch of the
subjects are new industry leads subjects, So it's you know,
basically stuff that's going to get you into that particular workforce,

(14:15):
get you ready for it. So primary industry, health and
Wellbeing services, outdoor education, automotive engineering, building and construction, infrastructure engineering,
mechanical engineering, Tourism and hospitality. And then they've got other
subjects that are a little bit more kind of bookish,
so they've got Earth and Space science which is a
new one, Statistics and data science, and electronics and mechatronics.

(14:37):
And then if you're really good at the maths, you
can go into further maths, which, by the way, I
don't know if you realize, but if you know, you
might not realize this if you haven't got a kid
who's in secondary school like the kids at tertiary education,
the secondary school probably realizes this by now. If you've
got gaming kids, but maths is where it's at at
the minute. If you can nail maths, you're going to

(14:59):
you're absolute gainfully employed for the rest of your life
doing something in the computer space. There's also civics and
politics and philosophy, Pacific studies, ate the al Mahordy and
music technology. So as I say, Erica Stanford will be
with us after half past five right now, news is
coming up. News talks, it'd be John again.

Speaker 11 (15:32):
For a new person over again, the name.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
You trust to get the answers you need, It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Use talks, they'd be.

Speaker 8 (15:50):
Don't you win anybody?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I can do this all week. You'll be there to
do the morning johnthan Kursley the US correspondence with us
after five o'clock on Charlie Charlie Kirk's shooting. Also Laura Angman,
Legend of Netball on what she thinks? She's not very
happy by the way, what's about what's going down with
Dame Knowles now stuff? The media outlet has managed to
get its hands on the police radio comms of the

(16:11):
chase that led to the shootout with Tom Phillips. It
sounds like I'm guessing police say they haven't released it,
so I'm guessing it's come from one of those scanners
where people listen when they shouldn't be listening in and
somebody's recorded it. Now police are furious. They say it's
grossly irresponsible to have played this or to have put
it out there at all. They say the material is

(16:32):
not released by police puts it risk the inquiries underway
into the events that unfolded on Monday night. Also, stuff
is standing by it. They say this is of great
public interest. Now they've just published about thirty seconds of it.
They've got the whole lot. So I'm going to run
you through how this all played out on the night
before the end of this hour twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's the world wires on Newstalks'd Drive.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Conservative political activists and founder of Turning Point Us Charlie
Kirk has died. He was shot while he was speaking
at a university in Utah. This Fox News contributor saw
what happened.

Speaker 12 (17:06):
I was watching Troley.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
I can't see that I sat blood. I can't say
that I saw him.

Speaker 13 (17:13):
Get hit, but I did see him fall immediately backwards
into his luck.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
The man hunt for the person who fired the shot
is still underway. Charlie Kirk is being described as an
American martyr, and Trump described the killing as a dark moment.

Speaker 14 (17:26):
An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but
he failed because together we will ensure that his voice,
his message, and his legacy will live on for countless
generations to come.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Others say the shooting lays bare the broken politics of
gun violence in the States. And finally, well, the evidence
would suggest yes, they're actually my face. Mass's perseverance. Rover
has found intreating leopard spots on a rock on Mars,
and they can't find any other explanation as to what
it could be other than evidence of ancient life.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
International correspondence with Ends and eye insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life presenter, Hey Oli, get ahead, OLLI.
So Europe is going to ban the social media for
the kids as well.

Speaker 15 (18:16):
Yeah, well, they're going to look at what we're doing
here in Australia.

Speaker 16 (18:19):
Obviously this comes into effects later this year.

Speaker 15 (18:21):
The Commission President has told the lawmakers that she will
check Australia's policy when considering what next steps can be
taken in Europe. So teenagers under the age of sixteen
obviously will not be able to use social media platforms
like Snapchat, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram and x and even YouTube.
But how we are still to validate somebody's age, It

(18:44):
has yet to be decided in this country, Heather, And
it does look like the most it's all pointing towards
an outcome where we will have some sort of national
digital identity card, which has a lot of privacy advocates
very worried because they say a lot of the technology
that exists at the moment that might look at your
facial features for example, and indicator this person's fourteen, but

(19:05):
they might be seventeen. They're not quite there yet with
the biometric technology. So the national identity card is probably
the most likely requirement that we'll have here in Australia.

Speaker 16 (19:15):
And that's going to open up a whole new can
of worms.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And what does that can of worms?

Speaker 15 (19:19):
Well, people are saying, why do we need to give
that extra information to our governments?

Speaker 16 (19:22):
But let's be blunt.

Speaker 15 (19:23):
I mean, we sign up to these social media platforms,
we sign up to a bank, we sign up obviously
to insurance companies.

Speaker 16 (19:28):
In the light they've gone all of this data on
us as it is.

Speaker 15 (19:32):
And I know there's one argument that will say, if
you have a national identity card, then also why do
all these companies that we do business with, beyond social
media platforms, how they need to hold onto any of
that data that the hackers obviously love. So once they
know that Heather doopl c alan is who she sees
she is, or Oliver Peterson is who he says he is,
they can delete that. Others are saying, once you have
that right, you're actually providing more impetus for the hackers

(19:54):
to get their hands on your identity. So I think
this one just goes around around in circles, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, too right, I suppose.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
So.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
So just Into Price thing is really blown up, hasn't it?

Speaker 16 (20:03):
Big time? It is massive. Now she's been dumped from
the shadow cabinet.

Speaker 15 (20:07):
Susan Lee has indicated that she hasn't apologized yet, And
of course people remember just Into Price was front and
center of the no campaign for the Voice. But she
is here in Perth today, She's here yesterday and tonight
she is due at an Indian Society of WA's Indian
Community event in Willitson, which is a suburb here in Perth.
And it's being described as being quite distasteful because of

(20:30):
course she's been sacked for her comments about Indian migrants
coming into Australia and voting for.

Speaker 16 (20:34):
The Labor Party.

Speaker 15 (20:35):
So this is all to be blunt, a big, big
distraction for the Liberal Party and the Newish Liberal leader,
Susan Lee. I think this decision to dump just Ceder
Price will ultimately cost Susan Lee her own job. And
while they have spent the past week or so fighting
each other publicly, the government's just licking its leaps.

Speaker 16 (20:54):
Albow's got a whole heap of problems.

Speaker 15 (20:55):
Obviously gone Vana Wadu to sign up to a national
security agreement and he was embarrassed and left faced in
the Pacific Islands. And they're just talking about each other
and trying to bring each other down. It's just hopeless
how position party cannot get itself together.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Hey, Now, I was just going through a bunch of
texts the other day. This is this is not just
some random thing. At the point here we go and
I was going through a bunch of texts the other
day and it's between myself and somebody who was Australian
who lives in New Zealand, and they said something along
the lines of just Into Price should be Australia's next

(21:28):
Prime Minister. Now, I just happened to find this while
we're in the middle of this fight with just Inenter Price.
Is that still the vibe? Like, is she still popular
enough for people to think that.

Speaker 16 (21:37):
From the conservative side of the fence.

Speaker 15 (21:39):
Absolutely, Like any time that we interview Just Need a
Price on my program. For example, when she comes on
regularly Heather, the feedback channels go absolutely bananas because she's
not afraid to say what.

Speaker 16 (21:51):
A lot of people are thinking.

Speaker 15 (21:52):
She's obviously an Indigenous woman and she is very much
Team Australia, and she was the one in the Parliament
last week with the Australian flag and she's doing her
best to try and unite the country. But she's also
looked at as a very divisive figure, particularly amongst those
in her own party who are from the progressive side
of politics, and of course the Labour Party can see

(22:13):
her basically as enemy number one. She is probably she's
in the wrong house though she's in the upper House,
she's in the Senate, but she is probably at the
moment the Liberals the Conservative's best chance for relevancy. Nobody
knows who Susan Lee is. Everybody knows who just enter
price is.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Good stuff, Ollie, Good to talk to you, mate. That's
Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Heather do for see Alan Rerea the.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Netballers Heather Live Podmore's housemate here. She loved straight up coaching.
There were much deeper issues at Sea and Z, which
is to say, it's not a coach being straight up
that is the problem for female athletes right. There are
other problems hither concerning the netballers. I think you've hit
the nail on the head and these are the types
that will soon complain that they don't get a medal
because the competition played too hard and they're so used
to getting a medal just for attendance in a sport

(22:56):
that no one is allowed to win, but everyone gets
a prize environment I totally agree with to John, Thank
you you now. We've just got a little update for
you on the injunction ree Tom Phillips, you will, of
course be aware that has been in court today. This
is the suppressed information. The latest is key details of
the Tom Phillips case will remain suppressed for now following
that urgent hearing. Most of the details of what was

(23:17):
said during the hearing even remain heavily suppressed. But we
can report that a hearing was held and that the
status of the and the status of the interim injunction order,
which is the bloody bare minimum. Honestly, Justice Cull has
made an order extending the injunction until Thursday next week
at least. Well, good luck to them, because if what

(23:40):
I'm seeing on social media and on text is anything
to go by by Thursday next week, I don't know
if this injunction is going to be worth anything. Sixteen
away from five.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Speaker 2 (23:54):
Certain right, it's fourteen away from five And just reminder,
I'm going to rain you through what happened according to
that police communications on the night of the Tom Phillips shooting.
But with us right now we have Thomas Coglan, the
Herald's political edit.

Speaker 17 (24:05):
A high Thomas here, a good afternoon.

Speaker 18 (24:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, Stuart Nash has quit his job because of what
he said. How is this going to affect his future
at New Zealand First.

Speaker 19 (24:14):
Oh, very interesting question is obviously not a great look.
It's interesting obviously, Winston Peters has a long and colorful
history in New Zealand politics, but one of the things
he doesn't like is bad language, particularly bad language in
this in this sort of area. Obviously, I think you
can go through the handsard and find a number of
things that Winston said that probably wouldn't wouldn't pass the

(24:35):
sniff test these days. But it's certainly the sort of
language is not really what Winston Peter's likes, so so
I think it would It would negatively, I mean clearly
it negatively affects affects his chances and that in that area.

Speaker 17 (24:48):
Then again, there's always a way back.

Speaker 19 (24:50):
Like Winston Peter's in New Zealand First are famous for
second chances in terms of political candidates, and they do
tend to attract rough around the ages sort of candidate. No,
I think this is probably a bit rougher around the
edges than perhaps they have an appetite for.

Speaker 17 (25:05):
But I certainly wouldn't rule out forever.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Can you think of anything more crass that you've ever
heard in New Zealand. Politicians say no, say right in
the meaning.

Speaker 17 (25:19):
And it does speak to a complete lack of judgment.
It is it is. I my jaw hit the floor
when I heard it. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 19 (25:26):
So, you know, look, with New Zealand First, the general
rule of Doune with New Zealand First doesn't never say never.
But clearly, you know, Stuart Mesh's chances took a massive dating.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, I mean the problem for him is that he
was on a kind of probation and almost in a
weird way, New Zealand First had got out of Stuart
really the thing that they wanted right, which is the
endorsement at the conference.

Speaker 19 (25:46):
Well exactly, and it is, you know, it is a
wee bit crowded at the top there, like obviously Winston
Peters is New Zealand First, and then the ear apparent.

Speaker 17 (25:54):
Is Shane Jones.

Speaker 19 (25:56):
And and you've I've always wondered with New Zealand First
that the party doesn't and the functioned well when there
are a couple of years apparent and and you know
gives that that famous tension between Tracy Martin and Ron
Mark who who famously sort of didn't really get on
and I think sometimes refused to share a car together.

Speaker 17 (26:16):
That there was there's that sort of issue.

Speaker 19 (26:18):
So obviously if Stuart Nash did become an MP, then
he would he would be in the mix for for
taking over if if, if, if that that role ever
became vacant, and and you know, I'm not sure whether
the party really wants that instability again, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
That's a fair point. Now, what's been going on with
the Marti parties have been a little shuffle going on.

Speaker 17 (26:36):
Interesting one.

Speaker 19 (26:37):
Usually usually this is announced in the press release, but
the Parliament website has updated the profiles of Debbie Nardi
Repeca and Mariameno Capa Kingy. So mariamno was the was
the whip for the party for some time. That is
now no longer her role as of the ninth of Septembers,

(26:58):
that was only a couple of days ago. Role has
transferred to Debi Nardi Wapeka again. As of the ninth
of September, no one knows what's going on. Requests have
been made of the party. We haven't heard back and
as as usual that the party, Mariy didn't come across
the bridge today the co leaders went in the house
that I can see very I can't say never, but

(27:22):
I would say almost never.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Close enough on, here is something weird going on in
the party because you now have so you have a
removal of quite a senior job from I will note,
the mother of the protest organizer, and then you've got
another MP who is busy going apparently rogue in eight
minute long midnight video. Is this something up?

Speaker 19 (27:45):
Yes, well, I probably would connect those two things. I
mean that they are a bit of a black box party, Marty.
You just don't know what's going on inside inside the
party in the way that you do with some of
the other parties. And it does seem like Takuda Ferris
has gone a weave at rogue. And it does when
you look at Aharna and RAFTI might be clarkted an
interview the other day, she's sort of distanced herself from
Taku to Feris. The co leaders have been distancing themselves

(28:07):
from him a week. But I do wonder whether there's
a disciplinary thing that's probably probably looming for him in
the wake of these comments, and whether that results in
a bit of a reshuffle that could very well be
the thing, and frustratingly, you know, everyone's having to pieces
together from whispers and snippets that that appear in the
media because the party's not really front footing it and
being transparent about what's going on.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, well what a surprise, Thomas, Thanks very much, appreciate it.
Thomas Coglan, The Herald's Political Letter. By the way, Barrie's
not here. Berries had been called away for dad duties. Also,
if you're wondering what it is that Stuart Nash said,
I'm going to give you a warning that I'm going
to tell you in about half an hour. So just
if you're sensitive to crass language, gonna want to, like,

(28:49):
you know, have a gin and tonic or something, get
yourself ready. Nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 20 (28:57):
It's a bit of banks growing around the government's proposal
for new shop lifting. The law was the change would
ship the burden of proof onto suspects. In other words,
you are guilty until you prove yourself otherwise. This is
where the Bill of Rights Act comes in. All Goldsmith,
Justice Minister with us.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
It's more akin to a traffic offense. You're speeding you
get a ticket, there's no debate about it. Unless you've
got a reasonable excuse, you pay the fine. The whole
purpose of it is to come up with a swift
way to deal with the shoplifting, other than the alternative,
which is to go through the whole court process.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
To find a reasonable excuse. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (29:23):
You're in the supermarket and your three year old stuck
a banana in.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Your handbag and you didn't realize.

Speaker 20 (29:27):
And this is the problem, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (29:29):
I mean, so I know people sometimes do make genuine mistakes.

Speaker 20 (29:32):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, the surely John tarmerheady calling women front bums is
the worst of it. No, do you know what, I'd
never found that I thought it was. I mean, I
just I was like, oh, that's lame, bit weird, But no,
never found that. I think this is far crasser. And
it was crasser a word far more crass anyway, five
away from five. So the chase audio that stuff has
obtained basically describes what happens from the minute the police

(29:58):
start actually pursuing Tom Phillips to them. In it that
shots are fired. It starts with one officer who's parked
on a hill overlooking pupew he's got his lights off.
The quad bike with Tom and his daughter goes past
and the officer starts following, but lights off. Backups coming
from Altara Hunger. The Eagles is en route from Auckland.
The officer then and I think this is interesting from
the cops. The officer then asks the Comms guys to

(30:20):
phone up a local farmer who lives nearby. Ask this
farmer if he can hear a bike, and then he
starts telling the other units where to go. The officer
then says, the bike has seen me. It's stopped in
the middle of the road. I'll put my lights on
now because he's seen me, but he's headed off. Officer
says he's armed. The Comm's operator says the farmer that
he called has now called back and said yes, they've
just heard the quad bike pass the house, so now
they know the direction of the quad bike's going in.

(30:41):
So the officer then gives the Comm's person another name
on another road and says call them up and tell
them to keep an air out. Chopper is now twenty
five minutes away. Officer sees gravel mark starts following the
quad bike down that road. Another officer is now at
a tea intersection, which is nearby on the way that
they think the quad bike is going, asks if he
should spike. Yes, lays the spikes, says, trying to find

(31:02):
a spot to park up pretty narrow and windy here.
Haven't got anywhere to hide. They say, just put yourself
in the best safe position possible. That's obviously I'm assuming
the officer that gets shot. The com center advisers they've
spoken to a resident who has heard the motorbike, but
it didn't appear to have its lights on. The officer
at the intersection says he can hear the bike coming.
Now I think this is the officer that gets shot.

(31:22):
Right says he can hear the bike coming. It's probably
a couple of minutes out. Someone says eagle is ten
minutes away. The bike is now only thirty seconds away.
Over spikes. Over spikes, the officer says, the vehicle is
in front of me. It's got two flat front tires.
He then says he's gone off the road. How far
away are you? And then says shots fired? Shots fired
at the next officer arrives, says the officer who has

(31:44):
been shot is breathing and cooperative. I need a helicopter
to meet asap. Road ambulance is also called for. Someone,
says Tom Phillips looks like he's been shot. Also, he's
in handcuffs and under control. Now, as I say, police
are not stoked that Stuff has got their hands on
that and it has published it. But as Stuff argues,
it's in the public interest, and it's an argument I
would say they'll bang on with right. So we're going

(32:06):
to go next to the US, get you an update
on what's going on with Charlie Kirk and the man
hunt there, and then Laura Langman on the day Nol's controversy.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
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Speaker 2 (32:34):
Afternoon in the US, a man hunter is still underway
to find the person who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk
in Utah this morning. Donald Trump has called the killing
a dark moment and flags on the White house are
flying at half mass. US correspondent Jonathan Kurzley is back
with us. Hey, Jonathan, what if they told us about
the person they're looking for?

Speaker 16 (32:53):
Well, essentially not much.

Speaker 21 (32:55):
I mean, well, what we are seeing is video being
circulated online of a person that had been on the
roof in the moments before that shooting had taken place,
and clearly now that is the person that they are
looking for. The manhunt very much continues. They had arrested
two people were taken into custody two people earlier today.
One was described as a person of interest. Both of

(33:15):
them have been released. One was an old man, the
other a younger male. But clearly now this manhunt continues.
There were hundreds of people at this university gathering that
Charlie Kirk so often does. This is what he was
known for, going into universities, taking in his political action
group that he started when he was eighteen, and openly

(33:35):
debating his ideas with students. He's a conservative thinker. He
believed in a free speech, he believed in the Americans
right for people to bear arms, and he was quite
confrontational with his views. Some viewed him as controversial. Donald
Trump clearly viewed him as an ally and even essentially
said that he had helped win him last year's election. Now,

(33:58):
at the age of thirty one, fassinated America is facing
yet another watershed moment when it comes to gun violence
and politically motivated violence.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean, this is nuts, right the political debate. It's
nuts that the political debate has gone this way. So
the question I suppose is is this an infliction point
where people stop and reflect and change course or do
you think this is simply the new normal.

Speaker 21 (34:19):
Well, you've got some on the far right side of politics,
the Alex Joneses of Info Wars Fames essentially saying.

Speaker 16 (34:25):
That they are now at war with the left.

Speaker 21 (34:27):
You had Jesse Waters from Rupert Murdoch's Fox News are
saying that the left has been accusing the right of
being at war and now the right, in his words,
will no longer stand for it. Donald Trump himself spoke
from the Oval offers and essentially said that it was
the rhetoric of what he said was the radical left
was responsible for, in his words, the terrorism they're seeing

(34:51):
in the country now, and said it must stop now.
He has made a point of singling out rhetoric from
what he views as the radical left from the left
side of politics. You've got to remember, too, Donald Trump
survived two assassination attempts of his own, and clearly now
it is being viewed in that framework. You would have
thought that the assassination attempt on a presidential candidate more

(35:14):
than a year ago would have been the moment that
maybe Americans stood up and thought, well, hang on a moment,
is this the way that we need to have a
political debate? Can't we just be a little bit more
civil and talk to each other about it. Yet, we've
seen politically motivated attacks in Washington, d C. We've seen
the shootings of Minnesota senators, a Minnesota politicians earlier this year, Democrats,

(35:36):
and now we're seeing a conservative commentator assassinated in full
view of the public. It's understood his wife and two
young children were also at the university at the time too.
They are obviously now grieving a husband, a father. But
this country is now finding itself trying to deal with
the consequences now of what some experts are saying now

(35:57):
could be a vicious spiral lead America into something really,
really bad.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
He's hopefully not, Jonathan, Thanks so much. Jonathan Cursley US correspondent.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Heather Dope Allen.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Netball New Zealand's decision to stand down Dame Noline Toto
has sent shockwaves through netball. Silver Fern centurion Laura Langman
has posted on Facebook that it's gutless and selfish for
complaining players not to be upfront with what the issues are.
Let's talk to her. Hi, Laura, Hi, how are you going?
I'm very well, thank you. Do you have any idea
what's going on here?

Speaker 17 (36:27):
No?

Speaker 8 (36:28):
I don't have any effects.

Speaker 22 (36:29):
I have just had the information that everyone else has,
but it doesn't dull down the shock and disappointment.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
I think that's been felt.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Worldwide, worldwide. Do you think Yeah?

Speaker 22 (36:45):
I saw tans and Greenway has commented on it.

Speaker 8 (36:50):
I just think there's just so many levels to this.

Speaker 22 (36:56):
For me, besides having been a player under Knowles's leadership
for many campaigns, it's just not the way we do
things as Kiwi's first and foremost.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
Secondly, I don't think.

Speaker 22 (37:11):
This is a direction where we want sport to be going.
You know, Nipple used to be a household celebrated sport
and at the moment we're just not doing ourselves any
favors at all.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
So apparently this has come down to Dame Nolean's communication style.
Any idea what that means?

Speaker 22 (37:32):
Yeah, I found that interesting, to be honest, and it's
really interesting the perception of people.

Speaker 8 (37:39):
I can only comment on what I know, and.

Speaker 22 (37:41):
I know that people think Noles and I like besties
and are each other every week like that is not
the case. I have a huge amount of respect for
Noles for what she's done for me as a person
or player. Her communication style I think is appropriate for
the level that she is coaching. When you make the

(38:03):
elite side, a coach's role is a facilitator. You've been
in the sport long enough, you know what you're looking for,
you know the feel the need to seek feedback, and
I think in an environment where you can get it
yourself from video through like support staff, you don't need

(38:25):
to have the coach petting in you on the back
twenty four seven?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Did you reckon that's what it is?

Speaker 8 (38:31):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's There may be a generation of young players here
who don't want to have to be told where they
need to brush up and be told that harshly.

Speaker 22 (38:41):
Well, look, yeah, no one goes into a one on
one and expecting to be patted on the back, that's
for sure. So I don't know if it's around those communications.
I have heard whispers that the environment was one people
were scared to speak up.

Speaker 8 (38:57):
Or do anything wrong.

Speaker 22 (38:59):
And if I'm being really blunt, I think that's a
corp out. Elite sport level, you need to be able
to have those hard conversations, and under every environment I've
been under, Knowles she is one that empowers her athletes
to have those conversations.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
She just like facilitates.

Speaker 22 (39:17):
She wants it to be driven by the player group
because we're the ones that are making the decisions out
on court. We can't wait for Quurt a time halftime
to come and get a pat on the back, or
this needs to be changed. Our game's dynamic, like we
as players need to make decisions. So I think for
players to be like we didn't have a voice, I
think it's a cop out because I blatantly know you would.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Of yeah, Laura, listen, thanks very much for talking us
through at Laura Langman silver Fern Legend. I just want
to say the support for Dame Knowles, I think is unreal.
We even had Gordon Titchens the legendary sevens coach get
in touch with us. We didn't call him. He called
us to tell us he wanted to support Dame Noles
in this He reckons the players have got too much say.
He reckons. She isn't old school at all like she's

(40:02):
been accused of. In fact, she's elevated and changes with
the times and accepts that probably his own style would
not be acceptable to these younger players nowadays. So there
you go. By the way, they think they've got a
ghost at the hotel and Funger Mormona, So we're going
to talk about that next. Yeah, I know where quarter
past Erica Stanford's going to be at us in around
about twenty minutes, just after the half past news. Talk

(40:24):
her through these new subjects she's announced for years eleven
to thirteen. Right now it's coming up eighteen past five. Yeah,
they think they've got a ghost at the Funger Mormurna hotel. Well,
they actually think they may have three, and so they've
got the paranormal researchers and to stay a couple of
nights and confirm whether this is the case or not.
Vicky Pratt is the hotel owner. High Vicki Hi, How

(40:47):
are you well? Thank you? Are you having a bit
of fun here? Or do you really think there are ghosts?

Speaker 20 (40:51):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (40:51):
You know twofold too fold. I'm always suspected something but
not sure.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, well what makes you think there might be ghosts?

Speaker 23 (41:01):
There's one? I think there's three ghosts, when we've been
told by different people that there are definitely ghosts in here.
We had our portraits painted when we first came into
the hotel about eleven years ago, and it was of
a gentleman. And when the portrait was finished, it was
sitting in the binding room and a woman said to

(41:22):
me after breakfast, he said, did you know that that
gentleman just got out of that portrait? She said, he's
one of your ghosts, but he's friendly. His name's Joe.
And then other people at different times have just said
things like, oh, there was a lady wandering down the
hall up stairs last night, but she was friendly.

Speaker 8 (41:43):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Now the portrait is that the chap? Who is that?
The living Levan Darlski chap?

Speaker 23 (41:49):
Is that one Joseph love and dusky Polish descent?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Why is he holding in your hotel? Did he die
there or something?

Speaker 23 (41:57):
No, he was of illegitimate booth back in the day,
and mother sister brought him up because it wasn't the
thing to do then. Oh yeah, and he lived out
here from the time he was about eighteen and never married,
but was a really Everyone enjoyed him and it was
a really good bloke and he looked after the roads

(42:19):
because in those days they lived in little huts and
you needed to get through and they were the ones
that kept the road open for the horses and later on.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
The cast What kind of proof of these people are
going to find, Like, how are they going to prove
to you that there are ghosts? What have they got?
What's the equipment?

Speaker 23 (42:34):
Good question. I don't know that yet. She said to
me that this scientific side of things, And then I
guess other people just see things or maybe feel things.
I'm not one hundred percent sure. I'm open to whatever happens.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
If Vicky, they established that there are ghosts, are you
going to sell up and move on or are you
just going to hang out there with the ghosts?

Speaker 23 (42:56):
Funny you should say that she's on the market, so
whoever wants it can have of the ghosts too, because
they're nice.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
VICKI thank you. I appreciate it. She's on the market.
So if you've got a spare whatever to buy, I
don't know to buy a hotel on funger Warmurna with
three ghosts. So you go, Vicky Pratt, owner of the hotel.
All right, it's gonna deal with Stuart Nash later. And
by the way, did you know that you remember on
the night that Auckland flooded because you remember the Auckland
Anniversary floods and how the council was really crapped you

(43:26):
did you know that they were drinking in the Mayor's
office for a lot of that known me neither. I'm
going to tell you that story five twenty one on.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home. It's Heather Do for c
Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the power of
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Speaker 2 (43:43):
They'd be hither. The spiritual world is as real as
the one where and don't be scared, thank you? You
know that? You know that's that works a little bit
like when you say don't think of an elephant, and
then everybody thinks of an elephant. If you say don't
be scared of the ghosts. That doesn't help AY five
twenty four potty mouth Alert. So the question is should
Stuart Nash have been fired for what he said? I

(44:06):
think the answer is probably yes, because it was pretty crass. Now,
when he was asked what a woman was, he said,
and I'm warning you it's coming. A woman is a
person with a pussey and a pair of tits. Now,
if you know Stuart, you know he was just trying
to make a joke. And any of us who've made
jokes that have landed really badly know that no one
joke as poor as it is should define us. But

(44:28):
it may well be the most crass thing that I
can ever recall hearing a New Zealand politician say in
the media. And the thing is, Stuart Nash was probably
hired by Robert Walters because of his profile. It felt
like one of those jobs that are given to former
politicians because simply because they're kind of famous for being politicians,
and the hope is that that profile would then bring
in work or a little bit of profile for the
outfit itself. This happens a lot, right. You had Paula

(44:49):
Bennett in with the real estate lot Fletcher Tabiteau in
with the lobbyist outfit Chris Favowi and with the insurance
lost and lot we just go on. The list is
just incredibly long. But when that politician tarn that profile
by saying something silly, the value of the politician to
the employer has lost. So it's a pretty straightforward decision
for Robert Walters Stuart Nash no longer has any benefit

(45:09):
to them. And this is not to mention the fact
that Robert Walters itself has already been cutting down jobs
in New Zealand. Nash was already down to three days
a week now. The most interesting question is what it
actually means for his future with New Zealand. First, and
I legit cannot call this for you. I don't know.
On the one hand, a lude joke like this might
go down well with the working class voters that Shane
Jones appeals to, but then it might go down really

(45:30):
badly with a conservative women who love Winston. It feels
like the kind of joke that Shane Jones would enjoy,
but that Winston Peters would absolutely hate from the depths
of his heart. So it kind of feels like a
contest between team Shane's voters and Team Winston's voters. I
think ultimately Nashi's future with New Zealand first comes down
to whether he can convince Winston that it was a

(45:53):
silly mistake and that he won't make it again.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, So this is what happened for anyone outside of Auckland,
just a reminder of what happened on the night of
the anniversary weekend in twenty twenty three right Auckland was
It was Elton John was playing that night, and it
was a bit overcast, and Auckland was just going about
a bit of a summer's day, just doing its thing
and getting ready for the weekend. And we were just

(46:18):
doing our show. And then five point thirty that night,
something was wrong. We could tell something is wrong because
we were getting all of these alerts to say all
the fire trucks in the city are being used, there's flooding,
everything's going down. But remember Auckland Council was really crap
at their response, and they did not sign a state
of emergency thing declaration until half past nine, and then
didn't tell the public until quarter past ten because they

(46:40):
were having drinks. It now transpires in Wayne Brown's office.
They started the booze up. I don't know what time,
but the guy who's now the chief executive walked in
at quarter past four and they were already at it.
Now that's fine, I mean, it's only an hour before knockoff,
you know, so whatever. But then he comes back at
seven forty five, which by the way, is two hours
after we at newstalk ZB know something is going wrong

(47:01):
out there. Two hours into the thing. Thus still on
the ras in Wayne Brown's office. Anyway, the thing about
this that is particularly interesting is that this didn't come
out in that report that Mike Bush did, did it.
Remember Mike Bush did the report where he talked about
all he left out the juicy bits. Now, this is
a lesson in us remembering. And this is the best

(47:21):
case of it so far that I can think of.

Speaker 24 (47:24):
That.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
When you get a report right and it gives you
the information, always ask who asked for the report, because
whoever paid for the report probably gets a final sale
on what goes into the report. And I would say
that probably happened here, don't you think. And that's why
we didn't find out about the drinks until now. Until
the local body elections and someone's leaked it. So there
you go. If you're looking for a nice job that

(47:46):
loves having a booze on Friday night, here it is
Mayor's office.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
News is next, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
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(48:24):
update on the Reserve Bank. The current governor, the acting governor,
Christian Hawksby's given a speech and he's admitted that the
Reserve Bank has been in the news for all the
wrong reasons too much this year and has said the
Central Bank faces a test of trust and confidence as
an organization, which is obviously a statement of fact, but
it's nice to know that they can see that because
it's not you can't always rely on them to notice

(48:46):
the obvious, so that's heartening. Twenty four away from six.
Now we've got the list of new subjects that years
eleven to thirteen students will be able to choose in
the curriculum shakeup. They include Civics, Politics and Philosophy, Media
and Communications, further maths, and Electronics and Mechatronics. Erica Stanford
is with us. Hello, Erica, Hello, How are you very well?

(49:07):
Thank you? Is there a theme here? You adding these
subjects for a particular reason?

Speaker 25 (49:12):
Look, there is. There is certainly a STEM theme. You'll
be able to see that in other countries. We compare
ourselves to offer things like further maths and data analysis,
but we don't do that because we haven't had the
ability to. Frankly, we just haven't had kids who are
at curriculum. And now that we've got this whole reform
program going, we can actually look to the future and go, well,
what does that look like if we've got more kids

(49:34):
who are at curriculum and in these STEM subjects and
further maths is something that lots of other countries offer
but we don't. So there is a bit of a
STEM theme with the electronics and mechatronics further maths. There's
also applied maths which is, you know, maths for people
who want to go into the trades, So really good
solid maths. But isn't your insane calculus thing for many

(49:55):
people find difficult?

Speaker 16 (49:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
What about civics? Why is that in there?

Speaker 25 (50:00):
Look, it's something that I think has been called for
for a very long time. I remember talking about it
when I was at university myself being interviewed on it
by the news about why we didn't teach civics and
schools and there are many schools out there who have
kind of cobbled bits and pieces of other standards together
to try and create philosophy and politics and civics courses.
But this will be a whole year's curriculum worth of those,

(50:23):
and I think it's about time.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Have you guys dropped agriculture.

Speaker 25 (50:27):
No, it's being created as a industry led pathway, so
it'll be sort of your food and fiber agriculture standards
or curriculum that will be strengthened and aligned with what
industry want, and also aligned with tertiary qualification. So those
lucky students doing that will come out with not only
a secondary qualification, but also potentially level two and three

(50:51):
tertiary qualifications as well.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Now, just on what's going on at the moment with
the primary and secondary school teachers and the fact that
some of them are striking, others are thinking about strike.
Are you guys in government going to limit the ability
of public workers to strike.

Speaker 25 (51:07):
Look, it's not something that it's in my a bit
of things that I look at it. It's Judith Collins,
Minister Collins. She hasn't spoken, she hasn't spoken to me
about it, So I'm not aware of any work that's underway. Look,
I say it is frustrating because in good faith we've
put literally everything on the table and said, look, this

(51:27):
is the total quantum and let's work within it to
make sure that it works for you. And you know,
we've met their demands. We've already put a whole lot
of money into three quarters of a billion into learning support,
you know. And I hear Liam Rutherford from the Nzity
Eye on the news saying, oh, it's not about pay,
it's about learning support. It's like, well, we just had
the biggest boost in learning support in a generation, three

(51:49):
quarters of a billion dollars. That answered almost everything that
teachers wanted. More teacher aides, more learning support, coordinators, more
money for high needs. You know, it was a huge,
significant package. So it just feels like the stands keep
sort of shifting.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I can understand your frustration, Erica, Thank you very much, Erica,
Stanford Education Minister. Twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 2 (52:15):
If it wasn't for low rates and things getting done,
mayor Brown would be gone, then you'll probably bang on
on the huddle with US. Craig rennisi TU Chief Economist
and Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Hello you too, Craig.
On the shooting is I can hear you on the
shooting of Charlie kirk over in the US. I think
we've I mean, I think we can all accept this
is the new normal over there, isn't it.

Speaker 26 (52:36):
It definitely seems to be. You know, we've we've had
the shooting, the shooting of Donald Trump. There's been a
range of shootings of other congressmen and congress women. It's
a country with a Second Amendment and arguably far too
many firearms. You know, it does seem to be a
sort of a cost of doing business to be in
public office in the US.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
What do you think, Nichols, If what worries me is
if it catches on there and becomes established, that kind
of flows into the rest of the world and possibly
even here, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
I think that's what we have to be on guard about.
I mean, I think kiwis value a liberal democracy when
we look at America, and you know, I do also
think that we've lived in an age of relative calm,
whereas political violence has actually often been the norm in
the United States if you look back, you know, one hundred,

(53:30):
one hundred and fifty two hundred years. That's no excuse.
We have to tackle this head on. But actually, you know,
I was not a follower of Charlie Kirk. I am
not a fan of most of what he says, but
I do support him and people like his right to
say it and their opponents. And I think that if

(53:52):
we get to this point where people are taken out
by the use of violence for being controversial, we we
are we are skating so fast and so far away
from democracy that we're we're in trouble as a society.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, I think it's a fair point, all right. Craig
what's your take on Stuart Nash. I'm getting a lot
of texts on either side of this debate. Does he
have a future in New Zealand first or not?

Speaker 6 (54:14):
Well?

Speaker 26 (54:15):
I mean that'll be up to New Zealand First and to say,
but my guess is that he probably doesn't in terms of,
you know, the court of public opinion. I think what
he said was was pretty out there. It doesn't fit
with anything I've ever heard the form of deprem Minister
Winston Peter's ever say. It's certainly not language I think

(54:35):
he would find acceptable in any in any meeting I've
ever been with him in so I really do struggle
with the idea that he would have a front bench
publicly facing role after this.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
What do you reckon Nick.

Speaker 24 (54:51):
Well?

Speaker 6 (54:51):
I mean, obviously his employer has spoken and this is
a pretty gross thing to say. And I think though
that you know, think about the last topic, there are
people are saying, you know, more and more outrageous things
and using language that's out there. New Zealand first, and
I agree Winston would have no truck with this kind

(55:12):
of language. But it has to be a kind of
broad coalition and when you're going for seven eight ten
percent of the vote, you can actually afford for eighty
or ninety percent of the electric to not be you
made and not think you say, you're speaking the right words,
and that's that's you know, this is a proportional electoral
system we've got and that's the reality of it. So

(55:35):
I think that New Uettle First will make that decision
and they'll they'll obviously have their future and mind when
they do it.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I mean, I guess the question is Craig, I mean,
this is a fantastic point that Nick has made. Is
right even if ninety percent of people don't like it,
it's just a ten percent that have to And is
it the right ten percent for New Zealand First? Is it?
Will their voters be okay with it?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Well?

Speaker 26 (55:57):
I think actually one of the reasons that they have
tried to bring Stuart back in is because they were
looking at the seat of Nepier thinking can we get
a seat, which means that regardless of wherefore we sit
on the threshold, we always get back into Parliament. And
so it's actually much more it's that ten percent rule
would apply if they weren't trying to win that seat back,

(56:18):
and so you need to get you know, the plurality
of volts in Nepier, and that's why this is so important,
because that language, you're not going to win the plurality
of votes and Nepier on that basis.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Does Napier include Havelock North?

Speaker 26 (56:32):
I honestly no, I reckon.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
They might might be. Okay, then do we have locked North?
That is like, oh no, you can't say that.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
There is.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
No.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
We don't know, we don't know how this is going
to play in different parts of the country. In my
view was most people don't use that language, and most
people would think it was pretty poor taste and afits
of on some in some instances.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
So it was out the gate crass, wasn't it.

Speaker 24 (57:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Really so?

Speaker 6 (57:05):
But in a year's time, I mean, let's see if
it's you know, if it's remembered. I mean people do
say outrageous things from time to time and they're forgive them.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, And look, I think that an element part of
me wants to forgive them because it was just a
bad joke, wasn't it. Anyway, Listen, we'll take a break,
come back shortly. Almost caught it too.

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Speaker 2 (57:30):
Right, you're back with the huddle. We've got Nick Leggan
and Craig Renny with us. Nick, now this Dame Nole's debate.
I'm putting this down to a generational problem where the
younger generation doesn't like hard work words and what is
it that they said that they're psychologically unsafe? What do
you think it is?

Speaker 6 (57:46):
Well, I would have to give Dame Nolan the benefits
of the doubt as well, but it does speak to
something that's clearly been festering away, I think is how
it was described. And I do worry you. I think
New Zealand is a non confrontational and often the stuff
is left to fester and then it blows out of

(58:07):
all proportion, and you do wonder if those responsible should
have intervened earlier and got it sorted. But I think
there are some hard conversations, you know. I think a
lot generations do differ, and I think that it would
be fair to say that there are elements of this
generation coming up that probably don't like to be spoken to,

(58:28):
or wouldn't find it acceptably spoken to in a way
that perhaps either you, Craig or I would be, but
that has to be discussed and confronted so this stuff
would be sorted because it's so important to allow crises
like this to develop.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, totally. It's sparked a debate in the office today,
Craig about whether you do have to be hard ass
in order to be successful as a coach. Do you
have to be tough on these guys to get the
excellence or can you actually go softly, softly just let
them sort of lead themselves to excellence.

Speaker 26 (58:58):
I think the key thing is you've got to work
with people that you're working with, and you've got to
work with their skills and their talents, and you've got
to work with how you know, you've got to bring
the best out of people, and sometimes that can mean
being hard.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Sometimes that can mean, you know, putting.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
An arm around them.

Speaker 26 (59:13):
The best football managers, the best you know, sports managers,
they work with the people that are in front of
them and they work with them on their strengths and weaknesses.
So I think it's it's it's much more complicated than
that than just sort of saying, you know, you've got
to be Alex Ferguson type and be hard and tlevel much.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Well, he was pretty successful, so your whole.

Speaker 26 (59:32):
Life, you know, it didn't because if you think about
someone like David Beckham, you know, if you're kicking the
boots in his face and then he ups and leaves
and goes to Real Madrid and has a fantastic career there,
then you know, arguably that backfired. But it stage, Oh
he did pretty well at Real Madrid, you know. But

(59:54):
I think you know, and I trust me as a
Newcastle fan, I would have taken them at Newcastle at
that point. And but but I think you know, it's
about it's about building, working with the workers that you
have and working with their talents.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Suppose this is true. You know this is a parent,
don't you, nick. I mean, some of the kids can
can handle a bit of the old tough love and
then other ones, you know, you just look at them
and they start crying.

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
Yes, exactly. And that's I think the point that Craig's making,
isn't it that you work with what you've got and
you adapt, you know, to people and and bring out
their skills in different ways, you know. And that's but
you know, you would I would imagine that that Dame
Nolen would do that there just seems to be some

(01:00:37):
you know, but potentially a mismatch somewhere along the line here.
And as I say, I think if it had been
brought out into the open earlier, perhaps it could have
been you know, there would have been a different result.
I think this is set.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I think you're right, though. I think the born
New Zealand has just completely cocked the thing up by
the looks of things. Now, Craig, would you go and
stay in a hotel if you knew that there were
ghosts there?

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Depend how it depends how stupid it is.

Speaker 26 (01:00:59):
The level of spiritual activity in it is kind of irrelevant.
If it's good and she will absolutely staying it, and
in fact, if the fact that's supportedly haunted makes it cheaper, great, Yeah, yeah,
you know, sort of, no, you know, whether whether or not,
you know, I would be asking if the plumbing is
going to work, because it's often just the plumbing that's

(01:01:21):
making the people believe in the ghosts rather than actually
anything else. But yeah, right, right, rather than rather than
you believe in it being haunted.

Speaker 16 (01:01:29):
And that's definitely not going to put me off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, all right, what about you, Nick?

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Well, no, I'm into it. I've done it. In fact,
I stayed at some Bethan's and Otago. There's the old
pubs here, and I stayed in the Haunted Room where
the woman apparently it actually turned out when I approached
the owner that it was probably garbage, but that was exciting.
And I've also stayed at the White tom Or Caves Hotel,

(01:01:54):
which has a definite sort of air about it, So yeah,
it would attract me rather than.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Del Okay, look at you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
I'm a gruleissh. I'm a goulish head.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Run to danger, Nick, run to danger. Yeah, guys love it.
Thank you the pair of you. Craig Rennie, Nick Leggott.
Ain't away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Good point, Heather. Seems to be a common thread here
regarding coaches getting sacked in New Zealand. They are all
women's coaches netball, football, swimming, cycling, hockey, The list goes on,
oh and women's rugby. Grant. Thank you for making the point. Now,
should we be honest about why that is, we'll just
we'll just say it right, that's because women are Karens

(01:02:44):
and I say that in the same way that you know,
like I shouldn't make generalizations, and yet I just have,
and I know that I shouldn't, but you can. You
can broadly generalize because you know it's often stereotypes are true. Right,
So men are more resilient because I think because the
well I don't. We don't need to go into that.
But I think it's because they're sometimes not even tuned

(01:03:06):
in and don't know what's going on. But men just
focus at the task, focus on the task at hand,
and get on with it.

Speaker 24 (01:03:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Rere's women have a moan about it. Afterwards, we have
a moan about it. Moan, moan, moan, and then we
talk to each other. Oh no, and then we go
you know what, you and I we need to go
see the Players Associated. No, we're going to the players.
We're going to the Players Association on behalf of all
of us because we've all been just abuse and we're
psychologically trauma traumatized by Dame Nolth. And then we go

(01:03:31):
to the Players Association and the player Oh no, no,
need a review. So then we do a review. And
now we've ruined someone's Now we've ruined someone's career, allegiance
career because we just wanted to moan. Because we're women, ladies,
to be honest about it, this is what we do.
We do it all the time. Men just get on
with it. You don't see men complaining about things like this,
having a bitch and a moan. Sort it out, ladies.

(01:03:52):
Otherwise we deserve all the crap that we get for
being women, and often we do. Hey, we've got a
couple of pieces of really good news for you. The
first one is Prince Harry's caught up with with King Charles,
and that's a good piece of news because I hate
seeing families fall apart, and this is just ridiculous from adults.
I mean, I just was complaining. I was just saying,
men don't get involved in this. And there's three men
who have just had this most epic catfire, haven't they,

(01:04:14):
Charles and William and Harry. Anyway, has Her hasn't seen
his dad since February last year, so they've finally seen
each other. They had a slightly shy of an hour
catch up, had a cup of tea or whatever they did,
and then he left and he said his father is great,
So that's nice also, and we will talk to get
Inani Brady about it when he's with us out of
the UK just before seven o'clock. Also, avocados are super cheap,

(01:04:37):
apparently reaching as low as nineteen cents in parts of
this country. Now I don't know where they are nineteen cents,
but if you know where they are nineteen cents, you
need to text me on nine two nine two, Thanks
very much. The Germans says if she saw an avocado
price at nineteen cents, she wouldn't buy it because she
would number one, think it was stolen. I mean, she
isn't nutty. She said she'd think it was stolen and

(01:05:00):
being sold to her whatever made who's going to steal
a nineteen cents of akado and whatever? Anyway? But also
she'd think would be a dud. But that's okay because
you and I can buy it. So if you know
where they get there at nineteen cents, let me know anyway,
Talk local government, next news talks Edbre's you know, I
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ahead of their first shot at local elections, and one
of their proposals is to scrap voting rights for unelected

(01:05:57):
council members that we're talking about Mana, Fina World pointies,
youth councilor positions and so on. Neil Holdham is the
mayor of New Plymouth and with us, Hey.

Speaker 24 (01:06:04):
Neil got a head the hair done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I'm very well, thank you. Did you guys have do
you have unelected positions on your council?

Speaker 24 (01:06:11):
Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, we've got well look they've been elected
by their own people. But yeah, we have a committee
that's got five councilors and a representative of each of
our five EWI and you know they make decisions they
do things like road naming, allocating funds to MURI. They
make recommendations on a whole range of council issues and

(01:06:34):
it's been We've been doing it for eight years, works
works really well. And I mean I look at this
whole thing. You know, you've got these political parties in
Wellington and they're laying awake at night. You know, we've
got cost of living issues, the inability to build infrastructure.
People haven't got homes to live in and this is
the stuff that's keeping them up at night. You know,

(01:06:55):
it's a joke. And I mean you know they do
of the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Cost of living for you. I mean, like it is possible,
isn't it? Because how much can they can?

Speaker 24 (01:07:05):
You give us an example of one example where having
an EI representative on a council committee has caused a
problem for somebody or somebody's messed out. Well, hold on
a good policy problem.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Didn't you just say the ACT Party and people in
central government should be focused on the cost of living?

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Absolutely, Okay, So so how many you've got five of
these man offener positions?

Speaker 26 (01:07:27):
Have you?

Speaker 24 (01:07:28):
Yes? Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
And who pays the wages of these man of feneral positions?

Speaker 24 (01:07:32):
Well, look, yeah, we pay them an hourly rate for sure,
and if we, if we didn't, I think it's I
think it's about eighty or one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
An hour, Neil, eighty or one hundred eighty or one
hundred dollars an hour. That's like twice what you pay
for a senior builder.

Speaker 16 (01:07:46):
What are you doing well, I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:07:48):
I mean, didn't we just pay forty four thousand dollars
to fly a couple of prime ministers to the top
of them?

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
It doesn't mean you're just as somebody else is making
a stupid decision.

Speaker 12 (01:07:56):
So point so we're paying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
We're paying possibly up to five hundred dollars for these
people who are unelected to sit there around the council
and give their vibes on things that pushes up your rates.

Speaker 24 (01:08:09):
There you go, cost of I think that. I think
what you're saying is if we, if we, if they
weren't there, that we wouldn't have people in those sects
because we would be prank councilors.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
So are you telling me that you have just taken
five enough positions away to put unelted people. Literally just
asked me the question, Neil, before you said who are
these people taking things from? And I can tell you
it's elected positions now because you're talking.

Speaker 24 (01:08:34):
About such a minuscule amount of money on the on
the bigger picture, you know this is not going to
materially change the cost of living councils, you know, when
we pick up your rubbish, how often we mow the lawns,
when we're replacing pipes down the street. And you've got
these micro managers in Wellington that now want to determine

(01:08:55):
what the committee structures are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Well, hey, what's yours struct What was your rating?

Speaker 24 (01:09:01):
What was your rating for average rate increase for newponments
district council this year? Was about seven point five percent?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
That's not bad, seven point five percent.

Speaker 24 (01:09:12):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
And what was it last year?

Speaker 24 (01:09:15):
I was about twelve?

Speaker 18 (01:09:16):
Yeah, okay, But but I think you know, if you're
if you're a hold on but if you're trying to
draw a connection between you know, EWE representatives on council
and those numbers, you know, you know, I could tear
that argument to pieces here that it's an absolute nonsense.

Speaker 24 (01:09:33):
Government have been putting non elected members on things like,
I mean, district health boards. The acting National Party were
quite happy to support those for years and guess who
they put on their non elected members, government appointed and
they were making decisions about money. This is actually about
Mary bashing. This is about climbing over the fence and saying.

Speaker 17 (01:09:53):
Yes it is.

Speaker 24 (01:09:54):
It's about climbing over the fence and saying we're doing
such a good job in Wellington of getting the economy going,
getting the housing built, getting the cost of living down,
that we've got time to climb over into that eight
percent that counsels manage and tell them how to do it.
I'm waiting for the policy on what days we have
to mow the lawns. But we need to be told,

(01:10:14):
trouble well, what don't we need to We get to
be told every three years the same as them by
our electorate. But they micro managers, Neil. And the reality
is if they were doing a kick ass job down there,
and then then I'd say, yep, okay, look, you know
I've got a lot to learn from you, because you
guys are smoking it. You know, you're doing amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I think you make a fair point. I think you
make a fair point. But hear me out on this, Okay.
So what you're saying is it's Mardi bashing, and I
really object to that.

Speaker 24 (01:10:41):
It's not because they're used it in their example.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Well hold on, but they also use the youth councils,
didn't they the youth council say that.

Speaker 24 (01:10:48):
But it's primarily focused because I think there's one example of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
A youth neil because you're you're very compelling and very
likable until you start cherry picking stuff and then I
start losing patience.

Speaker 24 (01:10:58):
Well, you start cherry picking stuff. My daughters were saying,
they were looking forward to the summary.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Okay, so do you remember when hawks Pay did that thing,
one of the Hawk's Bay counselors, and they had.

Speaker 16 (01:11:07):
That the youth.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
We went like, we rained hell fire on them for
the youth counselor's thing. So to say it's just Mardi
bashing is not fair because when other examples crop up,
like the youth counselors, they get just as much grief
for it. And also what I would say to you
is I know that you think that that you can't
really draw a line necessarily between this and what happens
with rates, But I would put to you that it's

(01:11:29):
an attitude problem that we have at local council where
if it's not you pay these guys over the going
rate for things, and then I'm not saying necessary.

Speaker 24 (01:11:39):
People stay aligns with government's fees. You know, they've got
a fee schedule for all of the boards that they
allocate people, and our fees are well in line with them.
So so in terms of what we're paying, it's consistent.
But but I mean, I'll just oh, you know, in
the big picture of things, we're working really well with
Marty and it's delivering results for our people. We're getting

(01:12:01):
projects done. Cool, we're cutting through a lot of the rebound.
You're makings well, no, no, because what it is is
about a group of people in Wellington that you know. Well,
I'll let you know. The public decide how efficient central
government is that they're so confident in their own abilities
that they're micro know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
You're doing that annoying thing that kids do to parents
without Now Johnny, wasn't that good either. Well, I just
want better from both of you, Neil. I want you
guys at local government to do a better job and
Central so are you're.

Speaker 24 (01:12:32):
Saying it's better not to have you don't believe that
we should be able to bring in the people that
we feel will add value.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
To our unelected positions.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
Get rid of all of them, really, yea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
One hundred percent. Okay, thank you for asking me, Neil.
It's lovely to chat to you. Neil hold him, but
he regrets that now I got the last word, and
that's not what his daughters wanted. Mayror of New Plymouth. Okay.
So MSNBC has had to apologize because when the Charlie
Kerr shooting became public, they were live on air, obviously,
and they had a political analyst, Matthew Dowd on when

(01:13:05):
the news came in, and this is what he said.

Speaker 27 (01:13:07):
He's been one of the most divasive, especially divisive younger
figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to
hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Basically what he was saying was, well, if Charlie Kirk
hadn't said the stuff he said, he wouldn't have got shot.
That's basically what Matthew Dad was saying. For that reason,
he is quite rightly no longer a political analyst at
MSNBC and as I say, they had to apologize quite rightly.
Quarter past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
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Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and to mass for Insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Kuye Saber. You're in good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Ads, Heather. Yes, you took Neil down. Heather, you got
smoked by Neil now yeah, eighteen pass six.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
The Rural Report on Heather do for see Alan Drive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with us Alo.

Speaker 16 (01:14:18):
Jamie get Neil Neil.

Speaker 24 (01:14:20):
I'll right, Heather, really, I won't.

Speaker 10 (01:14:22):
I won't smoke you, Heather, try not to smoke you need.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Do you need Stuart to tell you what a woman is?

Speaker 24 (01:14:29):
Uh? No, No, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 10 (01:14:31):
We're having all sorts of issues with politicians in this
country telling a swa woman.

Speaker 24 (01:14:36):
He was on my.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, somebody tells me and said when he was on
your show and actually didn't sound that cross at stew
at all.

Speaker 10 (01:14:43):
Well, he was on my show today and he didn't
sound that cross Stewart at all. But that of view,
and I had looked back on it was recorded at
about quarter to eleven this morning. I'm not sure whether
he knew at that stage that Stuart Nash had resigned
or was going to resign. Yeah, he said, oh, well,
he made a mistake. We all make mistakes. He immediately apologized,

(01:15:05):
business as usual. I suspect underneath it all he's human
because you know him as as well as I do,
and the man himself has impeccable manners and etiquette.

Speaker 24 (01:15:15):
He would never have mutted that himself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
No, I think you're quite right. Hey, listen, is it
the case that some forest is starting to regret getting
into the carbon farbing?

Speaker 10 (01:15:24):
Well, A really interesting comment came out from in a
panel discussion from doctor Elizabeth Heigh, who's the chief executive
of the Forest Owners Association, and she's saying that it's
turned into a bit of a poison chalice for some growers.
They're starting to regret rushing into carbon credit farming. She's

(01:15:46):
saying that it's true that some people and this is
what we've been or I've been arguing all along, we're
treating it.

Speaker 24 (01:15:52):
Like a bit like a gold rush rush.

Speaker 10 (01:15:54):
She was fed up with dealing with a lot of
negativity around forestry, because most of it is.

Speaker 24 (01:16:00):
Not negative at all.

Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
But she said every forest needed to be actively managed,
but there were a small number of people failing to
uphold their legal and moral land management obligations. And then
she went on to save anyone says they can plant
and walk away, this is spray and walk away with
everything climate change is throwing at us. They are a
liability and they need to be held to account. So

(01:16:22):
strong words from a doctor Elizabeth on that one Federated
farmers when it comes to the carbon farming, they made
a good point. They said farmers could probably accept re
a forestation because the rates apparently in numbers of hectares
are no higher than they were twenty five years ago.
It's just where we're planting them right at the moment.
They're saying they could probably accept this real forestation if

(01:16:45):
it were driven entirely by the harvest market i e.

Speaker 24 (01:16:49):
Log prices, etc.

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
However, seventy percent of the revenue for harvested trees was
coming from carbon, and they're saying they wouldn't be planted
at the scale they are the moment if it wasn't
for the carbon price. The other issue is with these
carbon farms, farms adjoining pine forests were losing the likes
of lambs, newborn lambs to feral pigs coming out of

(01:17:12):
the trees. Pest control has fallen away in these forests.
It's leading farmers to have to move away from sheep
to the likes of beef.

Speaker 24 (01:17:20):
So it is a real issue.

Speaker 10 (01:17:21):
And then there's the fact that carbon farming has made
sheep and beef farms more valuable, and that has a
negative effect on the return of assets for sheep and
beef farms. So yet it's an interesting argument, and I
think that the the forestry industry per se is getting
a bit sick of being tarred with the carbon farming brush.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Jamie, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate
you taking on that. There's Jamie mackay, host of the Country.
Heather Oakridge Fresh Limited sells four cagees of not four,
four cagees of avocados for twelve dollars sixty That works
out to be about sixty three cents per avocado. That's
great value. Ben, thank you for that tip. Six twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicllen and Mass for insurance
investments and Kui Safer.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
You're in good hands news talks that'd be hither.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
It might be exciting for consumers to purchase cheap avocados,
and I'm one of them, but it's heartbreaking for those
growers who now have no value in their fruit. Look,
this is actually you do need to bear this in mind.
What's gone on is that basically the reason we're buying
so many cheap avocados is because we're not exporting as
many because Peru has just got so many coming out.
Now the US is completely drowning in Peru fruit. They

(01:18:36):
don't want any of our fruit, so they're selling it
to us. And so I do feel sorry for the
growers because they might have got a mint once upon
a time for these fruits, and now they're selling it
to us for what nineteen sixty three cents or something
like that. Six twenty five. Here's a bit of showbiz
newss lod Good times, weren't they move over? Ross Jen's

(01:18:59):
got a new bow. His name is Jim Curtis. I
guess what he does for a job. He's a hypnotist,
Like he's actually actually a hypnotist. Now I'm happy for
Jen because this guy is hot. He's like one hundred
percent more. Imagine, it's kind of like a Yaquin Phoenix vibe.
Joaquin meets George Clooney, So it's an improvement on Joaquin.

(01:19:19):
And then he's because Joaquin is kind of a little menacing,
isn't he. He's a bit grim anyway, so a little
bit more, a little bit like George Clooney he looks,
but with Joaquin's sharp face. I'm overdoing this completely to
try and get anyway, whatever, go just go google him.
It's not She's not his first celebrity girlfriend because he
used to go out with Bethany Frankel, who's one of

(01:19:39):
the Housewives of New York. Anyway, she said on a
podcast that the reason that they split is because he's
a bit woo woo, a bit into wellness, and she
may have a point.

Speaker 13 (01:19:48):
In our subconscious mind, we want to obchage, obtain something
what you know, it becomes exclusive. Sometimes that bleeds over
into dating.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
You know.

Speaker 13 (01:19:58):
Subconsciously we realize that they feel they know something, you know,
because if they did know us, then they would not
be interested.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
What I way prefer the Ghosts and the funger Mormona Hotel.
Do you know what I mean to this woo word, Dippy,
imagine getting imagine getting on the on the wines with
him on a Friday night. You'd be like, shut up.
Then what you would do is you would turn on
season four of The Morning Show, which is coming out
on Wednesday on Apple Plus. Do not do not miss

(01:20:30):
out on that, and that's a good time anyway. That's
how we know about him because she hard launched him
at the premiere of that. Anyway, Sam Dickie like, if
you love your retail, you're in for a treat. Next
we're going to talk Costco and I Care with Sam Dickey.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour where they header do for c Ellen
and MAS for insurance investors and Qui Safer and you're
in good heads news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
The'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Like end of Brady is with us in about ten
minutes time. Out of the UK, there is quite a
quite a little brew ha ha that's developed in the
Labour Party because the UK Ambassador to the US, Peter Mandelsson,
is in a bit of trouble over links to Epstein
and now the Labor MPs are demanding that he'd be sacked,
and it's putting Keir Starman in an awkward position, which

(01:21:35):
is basically where he's been there. He's never been out
of an awkward position the entire time he's been in government.
But anyway, we'll have a chat with Ender and just
get his take on that. Heather Omg Neil Holdham living
proof that counsels don't care about how they spend other
people's money. Well, I think they to be fair to them.
I really like Neil by the way. I think he's
a very good sort. But I think they do care,

(01:21:55):
but just not as much as we do, and just
not as much as a private business does. And that's
our problem is that we all, most of us work
in the private sector, right, so we fight for every
single dollar that we get to spend. You want the
core club membership, They're like, nah, you can't have the
corric what plan you're living on? It's not nineteen eighty
five and you're fighting about every single dollar. Whereas these
guys are like, oh, did you want you're unelected? Would

(01:22:16):
you like the Curri club membership?

Speaker 24 (01:22:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
How many would you like?

Speaker 10 (01:22:18):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
They kind of have that, so they care a little bit,
but raally not enough for us. I'm not suggesting that
the unelected people have Courri club memberships, but I wouldn't
be surprised twenty four away from seven. Now, over the
last few years we've managed to pull a couple of
retail giants to shore and they changing our shopping landscape.
We've got Costco opening its first door and we Stalkland
in twenty twenty two, and now i Ka is going

(01:22:39):
to be opening up at Sylvia Park in December this year.
Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us. Hello Sam,
good evening hither. Now these are really really big business
is very successful. What makes them so formidable formidable? Indeed,
they are phenomenal businesses.

Speaker 7 (01:22:54):
So Costco half a trillion dollar companies share price up
around almost four thousand percent in the last twenty years,
and Ikea the biggest furniture retailer in the world. Costco
is obsessive about its customers. So when they go into
any board meeting, any management meeting, they always talk about
how they can drive down the price of their goods

(01:23:14):
for their customers. They never talk about how they can
gouge more profit. Or margin out of you and I,
and that's called scale. Economy is shared and its feeds
on itself, and it's very hard for smaller players to
compete with and that's why they were stalking stores booming,
and IKEA's motors is also at sheer scale, so four
hundred and twenty two stores across sixty odd countries. What's

(01:23:36):
really interesting about Ikea though, is its unique ownership structure,
and that's kind of a competitive advantage. So it is
owned by Dutch and Swiss foundations, and the Dutch foundation
model makes selling Ikea more or less impossible, which ensures
independence from shareholders and that silly quarterly pressure, and it
allows them to take one hundred year strategic view while
competitors chase short term gains.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Interesting and why are they interested coming to New Zealand?

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
Yes, well, what is interesting because global behemoths have sort
of ignored New Zealand for the last fifty years because
it's so small until now. And you know, you think
about the biggest retailers in the world, warm Amazon Home Depot,
none of them have ventured down here with local operations,
so so Costco, the third biggest retailer in the world
is here, and that's because New Zealand is an attractive

(01:24:22):
market because it's dominated by it sort of a small
handful a cartel or an oligopoly of duopoly in each segment,
so a small handful of supermarkets for Costco to disrupt,
a small handful of furniture players for Ike to disrupt,
and plus IQ sided the government's streamlined approval process to
encourage overseas competition in retail, and of course it's a

(01:24:42):
point in time thing. So New Zealand is an Auckland
is a compact, affluent market. And while we're not number
one on the global expansion list for these these great companies,
they do get to us eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Should retailers here in this country be worried.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
The look?

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
I do think they have been sheltered these oligopolies until
now from these global bohemos, so that the news is
not quite as rosy. They're gonna have to run really
fast to outcompete these companies. And remember that they only
have one store each by the end of this year
at Costco's plenty another one in South Auckland and another
one in christ too, so they kind of have a
land and expand model that they don't really come down

(01:25:18):
here just to have one store.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
And what about consumers? Should we be as stoked as
we are?

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
I think so it's great news for us. So again,
Costco's obsessive about us, about you and I, and using
its scale to drive down prices for us every day.
That's nice to have and choices is always good. We've
been restricted to a small handful of supermarket players and
IKEA runs exceptionally lean profit margin and uses its massive
scale to offer very low prices in that mantra that

(01:25:46):
there's nothing free in life, but the best price you
can get is when you do as much as you
can yourself. So that's pretty exciting. So I think it's
good news for us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
So what does it mean for investors?

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
Well, for investors Costco doesn't mean much at all really
because New Zealand's pretty tiny and we can't invest in
the ike But it means quite a bit for investors
in New Zealand companies. So on the good news front
for main freight, allegedly, I think there's been in the press.
They've apparently won the ike in New Zealand logistics contract
and apart from being the best logistics operator in New Zealand.

(01:26:18):
I suspect Maine Freights pretty unique hundred year vision gelled
quite well with Ikea is pretty unique kind of one
hundred year vision. It's pretty pretty rare to have that
long term vision. But for investors in listed retailers that
cross swords with IKEA companies like the warehouse Harvey Norman,
they should those investors should revisit their investment thesis and

(01:26:39):
make sure they've factored in a significant step up in
competition from global winners.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Yeah, hey, Sam as always really appreciated it. Sam Dickey,
Fisher Funds will talk to you again in a week's time.
It's nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Ever, do for Cea Ellens?

Speaker 8 (01:26:52):
Hey, can I just.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
On the Dame no Lean's total. I think I feel
like I haven't actually told you exactly how this played out,
So just bear with me because I think this is
fascinating now. Apparently this dispute between no Lean and the
guys at Netball New Zealand, and by that I just
been netballers and the management the bosses, I don't really know.
Apparently it goes back to January. So what happened is
the Silver Ferns played some training camps they went over

(01:27:14):
to Australia played against the Swifts, the New South Wales side,
and that they performed poorly. They basically lost all the games,
and I don't think that all of the games were public,
but they lost all four games. After that, they must
have had a bit of a a dressing down from
Dame Knowles because two of the players went crying to
the Players Association and complained and they said that the

(01:27:36):
environment had become psychologically unsafe for them and they described
a culture in which some felt fearful of raising issues
with Dame Knowles. After that there was a bit of
tearing and throwing or whatnot. And then I think the
Players Association association with the one who pushed for a review.
So there was a review and the review found issues
with the environment and this was presented to Dame Knowles

(01:27:58):
and her assistance and they they didn't agree with it,
so they got their lawyers and can test that review.
So this has been going on for a little while,
Like basically you can take it all the way back
to January last year, right, but then things really had
a wall. On Friday last week, the squad were due
to assemble in Auckland for a four day training camp
and it never happened because the night before there was
a crisis meeting and around the table was the board

(01:28:20):
chair of Netball New Zealand, Matt Winnerey, who we spoke
to on the show yesterday, Dame Knowles and her whole
management team, and then High Performance Sport New Zealand rep
representatives and then members of the New Zealand Netball Players Association.
Now apparently the talks lasted a whole day. Several solutions
were put forward, including the option of bringing in the
Silver Firm's defense of Great Tracy Fair and former All

(01:28:40):
Blacks team manager Darren Shan to support the players coaching
and management. This is like Dame Knowles's people. They all
said no and so they stood down. That's what happened, right.
So then I was pointed to the podcast Between Two Beers,
which Dame Knowles spoke to in July. Listen to this.

(01:29:01):
Every time when I look back on what I've done,
I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Ah, you poor players.

Speaker 28 (01:29:06):
You guys have been through how And that's why I'm
so grateful for like the laws and the cases and
a lot of those players who have stuck with me
because they've been tormented honestly, they've been abused and tormented
sometimes with me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
What do you think of that? Laws and Casey Ho
stuck with her, have been tormented like she has. Sound
sounds fun and awesome, sounds really well managed, doesn't it
not at all? Anyway, Oh, the German has sent me
an article and she would like me to withdraw and apologize.
In fact, in fact, sometimes avocados are stolen. And if

(01:29:44):
I had done my research dating back to twenty twenty
a spinoff article, I would have found that, yes, there
were in fact avocado gangs that in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen did in fact strip commercial
trees take all of the avocados. And then she says
seldom to the local dairy. However, I've read the entire article.

(01:30:05):
I find no proof of the local dairy bitten and
that I think she has just made up. But anyway, whatever,
so it is possible that there is avocado crime. However,
I will point to the fact that at the time
that the avocado gangs were striking, as in hitting the trees,
AVOs were selling for seven dollars fifty each. So it's
a little bit of a different game now when they

(01:30:27):
are nineteen cents, but point taken, I withdraw and apologize
quarter to approaching.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
It's Heather due for Sea Ellen with the business hour,
and Mas for insurance investments and Kui Saber you're in
good hands news talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Be text for Heather. Yay, Laura thumbs up, stop it
thirteen away from seven Endo Brady UK correspondence with US.

Speaker 17 (01:30:49):
Hello Ender, Hey, har good to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Gain right, so are you? I looked at this hazard
story and I thought, oh, that's lovely. He got to
see his dad for an hour. You looked at it
and went his dad gave him less than an hour.

Speaker 12 (01:31:01):
What's going after nineteen months? After nineteen months, forty five
minutes and a cup of tea after nineteen months. Look,
you can see Charles's thinking, And I think the people
who'll be really annoyed about this meeting taking place at
all are the insiders behind the scenes that who Harry's
mother referred to as the men in gray suits, because

(01:31:22):
they will now be worrying that there will be a
podcast next week or Oprah Winfrey will suddenly pop around
with a TV crew of twenty and every word that
was said inside the palace yesterday evening as Laren's house
yesterday evening will be made public. But I guess it's
the beginning of healing between father and son. But interestingly,

(01:31:43):
absolutely no sign of William this week on Harry's radar.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
No, not at all. I mean this will be the test,
won't it, Because Harry has to prove himself, so they
will tell him things. They'll have conversations and see whether
it comes out or not.

Speaker 12 (01:31:55):
Yeah, and look, if you wanted to be really twisted,
you could have told them an awful lot of life
and waited for it to hit the media. You know,
it's it's it's just a fascinating dynamic. But I think
he is moving in the direction of travel, that he
wants to spend more time in the UK. Major donation
to knife Crime charity in Nottingham the other day two

(01:32:16):
million dollars. He's talking about being here more often. But
where is Meghan in all of this, because I don't
think she ever, I don't think she ever wants to
look at Europe again unless it's with some a list
celebs in Amalfi on the coast in Italy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
What are you suggesting, Hinda, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:32:32):
I just think long term, perhaps young gl vent doll,
it's cracked up to be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Are you just asking some questions?

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Are you in my head?

Speaker 12 (01:32:40):
In my head hypothetically?

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Listen, We've lived a life, haven't we. We know how
this thing often goes. Now, talk to me about Peter Mandelsson.
What are the chances that he gets the sack?

Speaker 12 (01:32:49):
So Starmar's sticking by like the wind next week is big.
The timing of this is crucial. So for anyone who
hasn't followed, it's Peter Mandelson is Labor Royalty. He was
the architect of New Labor. He helped Tony Blair could
not have happened without Mandelssohn. So he's been embedded in
the UK political establishment for decades. Turns out he was

(01:33:13):
very very good pals with Jeffrey Epstein. Now pictures have
appeared of Mandelssohn lounging in a dressing gown, chatting and
having breakfast at Epstein on the island, all looking very
very cozy. Now I should point out that there is
absolutely no suggestion Mandelson has done anything wrong or was
involved in criminality, that we know Epstein was and Mandelson

(01:33:34):
is a gay man, so he would have no interest
in what Epstein was doing with girls categorically. But I
think the question marks being raised are over his judgment,
you know, being around this guy. Mandelsson has come out
and said this week that he deeply regrets ever meeting
Jeffrey Epstein and that there's more to come. He's gone
on a podcast yesterday and he said, actually embarrassingly, there

(01:33:56):
would be more information to come. So it was clear
that he was very, very close to Epstein. This is
causing Starmer a problem and into the mixed next week
we have Donald Trump coming and Mandleson is the UK's
ambassador to America.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yeah. Well, Mandelson is smart and he knows how PR
works and he knows it's drip trip trip, right, so
he will be away that if he is being taken down,
that there will be a constant leaking of information, right, Yes, So.

Speaker 12 (01:34:21):
I think Sunday will be the key day in all
of this. The Sunday newspapers, if they've got a lot
more and I think with Mandleson and Epstein it will
be more business or more Who did Epstein want him
to lean on or introduce him to You know, I
just think Tony Blair's name might get brought into the mix.
It's just very embarrassing for everyone that Mandelson but was duped.

(01:34:45):
But like he says, this was a very charismatic criminal
who fooled everyone. But Mandleson is as sharp as attack
and as sharp as he is today, thirty years ago
he was even sharper. So I'm a bit surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Sure enough, Hey, what the award is that? Jeremy Clarkson's got.

Speaker 12 (01:35:03):
National Television Awards? So he won Best Factual Program last night,
and the standard of TV in the UK is very,
very tough, So Clarkson turned up. Clarkson's Farm won and
it won big, and all the characters were there with him.
Caleb Cooper, the young Oxfordshire farmer who's turned into an
agricultural superstar. He was there, Clarkson's partner Lisa Charlie, cheerful

(01:35:25):
Charlie who always breaks the bad news about the realities
of farming and finance to Jeremy, and he was very
very funny. Clarkson. I have to hand it to him.
He has done more for farming in the UK and anywhere.
I would say, remember because having spent childhood summers on
my grandparents dairy farm in Ireland, I've seen how hard
it is to make a living out of the land

(01:35:47):
and Clarkson just shows you that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah too, right, and it always good to talk to
you mate. We'll talk to you next week into Brady
UK Correspondent. Right, we need to talk about this life
on Mars Business next eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Five away from seven. Okay, so just really quickly want
to give your heads up if you're in Auckland on Saturday,
there will be the Harbor Bridge will be closed because
the pro Palestinian March is going to come across the
Harbor Bridge and it's gonna it's gonna start in North
Kit and Northcote and then it's going Isn't it bizarre
that Auckland's the only place in the whole world that
miss like deliberately mispronounces a suburb. Everybody else is North

(01:36:29):
Kit because that's how you pronounce it in Auckland, where
I have had to correct my husband from Wellington. I'm like, no,
it's not North Kit now it's North Cote, North Cote,
so we like to mispronounce it. Anyhow are they going
to land at Victoria Park? So just be aware of
that and try to plan your journey somewhere else. Now, okay,
so if you're not on the march by the way, obviously,
now life on Mars? Right, So I heard this headline

(01:36:50):
this morning. They were like found scientists believe that they
have found the clearest sign yet of ancient life on Mars.
I thought, here we go, here we go, here we go.
So I opened it up. What is it? It's leopard marks,
leopard spots, leopard spots on a rock sampled by the rover.

(01:37:11):
And do you know how they know that the leopard
spots are a sign of life because they can't that nothing.
They've come back after a year of review and they
can't find another explanation. Well, look, I'm sorry, but you
don't just go on. I don't know. Therefore it must
be life like it cannot be the best case, it
can't be the thing that you're looking for is the thing,
because you can't explain it some other way. And also,

(01:37:32):
can they please stop over hyping? Like every time I
click on one of these things, which is like life
outs there's some alien life out there. It's always something
really dull and not at all I think to the
normal person a sign of life. So anyway, very disappointed
this morning. It's it's been hanging over me all day, Libby.

Speaker 8 (01:37:50):
We've been teasing it.

Speaker 22 (01:37:51):
So I thought we may as well go out with
a bit of a mile on because because here is
one of.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
The top five for the Silver Scroll.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Or all the other ones, I didn't care about that.
There's five of them who might win the Silver Scroll award.
I looked at them all I was like, don't know,
you don't know, you don't know, you don't know you Malin,
I know you and I like the song. So here
it is, See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
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