Full Show Podcast: 12 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Oring it's hither duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talk Sa'd.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Coming up on the show today, Shane Jones is apparently
considering rationing gas to certain businesses. He's going to explain
this to us after five. David Seymour on why the
government is going slow on the State of Palestine Corps
and we'll get you across all the new rules for
the America's Cup.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Heather Dupicy Ellen, I.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Don't love saying this, but I think the government is
actually doing the right thing and taking its time and
not immediately following the Australians in their plans to recognize
a Palestinian state next month at the UN. I take
absolutely no pleasure in saying this, because I would really
like to believe that it would work, that the international
community all recognizing a Palestinian state at the UN next

(00:53):
month would shame Israel and defeeding the kids. But if
we're honest with ourselves and set aside how much we
wish it would work, I think we can all accept
it probably won't work. Right, I mean, those kids need
food right now. What good is it if the countries
of the world go to New York in a month's
time and all say that we recognize Palestine as a state.
Recognizing Palestine doesn't put food in their balleis. Even if

(01:14):
Israel did relent, even if Israel did then allow more
aidan following the meeting, that meeting is four weeks away.
These kids need food now, and I can't help but
feel that we've got ourselves wildly distracted here, haven't we?
For every minute and every colomage that we dedicate to
talking about whether we should or should not support the
state of Palestine in September, we are not spending that minute,

(01:34):
and we are not spending that colomage talking about getting
aid into kids who need food. Sure, Anthony Albanzi looks
like a hero for his announcement yesterday, and we look
like laggards. But Anthony Albanzi has not actually helped feed
the kids. And you cannot ignore this. I'm sorry, but
recognizing Palestine right now, while this war between Humus and
Israel is ongoing, is rewarding Humus for what they did

(01:57):
on October seven. They are already claiming that Palestinian statehood
is one of the so called, as they say, fruits
of October seven. Another way of saying what they are
saying is it's that massacring innocent people on that day
was worth it because they got what they wanted. We
cannot reward massacres like that. There should be a state
of Palestine, there is no doubt about it. I think

(02:19):
there should be. I'm not arguing with that, but that
is a post war discussion. That is the kind of
thing that happens after Hamas gives up the hostages. First
things first, those kids need to be fed and that
should be our priority.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Heather, do for see, Allen, could you're taking me out?

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Would who is the.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Text understand a text fee supply? And as I said
David C. Moore, Deputy Prime Minister with US after five
on that now there are urgent calls to help a
New Zealand woman and her six year old son who've
been in US immigration detention for almost three weeks now.
Sarah Shaw and her son Isaac normally live in Washington State.
They were coming home from Vancouver to Washington State, but
at that point they were denied into the US and

(03:01):
then sent to a detention facility in Texas. Victoria Bezantsen
is a close friend of Sarah's who's been fighting for
her release and is with us now, Victoria, are you there?

Speaker 6 (03:11):
I am thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Hey. Have you managed to speak to her while she's
been in detention?

Speaker 7 (03:16):
I am actually one of two people who has allowed
pretty frequent communication with Sarah.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah? And how is she holding up?

Speaker 7 (03:24):
The detention centers in America are pretty comparable to prisons,
so she's not doing the best.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
And and is she with her boy or are they separated?

Speaker 7 (03:34):
Her six year old son is with her in the
detention facility. Each room has about five bunk beds, so
families can stay together.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Is he okay?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
He is not doing as well as we would have hoped.

Speaker 7 (03:48):
He's been there almost three weeks now, so he's having
a pretty hard time.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah. Now, what was it? What was wrong with her
paperwork that landed her in this detention center?

Speaker 7 (03:58):
So, because Sarah is on a combination visa, when her
visa was renewed for her employment, she assumed the entire
visa had been renewed since the visa is on a
singular card. However, she was waiting on her I three
sixty paperwork. It was an appending status and because that
portion wasn't renewed, she was unable to travel in and

(04:22):
out of the country. However, that wasn't it really explained
to her when she got her renewal paperwork and the visa.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay, So what happens next?

Speaker 7 (04:30):
So right now we're waiting to hear back from the
facility tomorrow. There's been a lot of pressure placed on
them from Washington Senator and the governor, and we are
hoping that they will at minimum release Isaac, who did
have all of his proper paperwork, they still chose to
detain him illegally.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay. Where are the other kids?

Speaker 7 (04:48):
The other two are currently in New Zealand with her grandparents.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Right now, okay. And is there a father here?

Speaker 6 (04:54):
No, their fathers are not in the picture, oh.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Jas Okay, So where does the boy go? If he
gets released?

Speaker 6 (05:00):
He will be released to me.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
And how long might you have to care for him
if she gets if she's still stuck in the detention center.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
As long as it takes.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
I mean, she's one of my best friends, and I
mean our children are like cousins.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
So he'll be with us until his mum's release.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Victoria. He can't come back to New Zealand be with
his grandparents.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
He wasn't able to because he's not old enough to
fly un accompanied.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Oh Jesus complicated.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
Where is.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Normally in this situation like this, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
in New Zealand would be involved to be advocating on
behalf of this person. Any word from them.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
So her lawyer, I'm not sure if she has fully
been able to reach out to them yet. We had
some representatives from Washington who reacted pretty quickly to this situation,
so we've been relying on their help right now.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Okay, the money that you're raising somebody is raising on
the go fundme page. What's that for?

Speaker 6 (05:55):
So I'm the one who organized the gofund me.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
The money is to pay for Sarah's legal representation and
her bills because she was detained outside of Washington State.
She actually has to pay two legal attorneys, one local
to Washington and one local to Texas, and that is
incredibly expensive in the United States.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, what is your vibe on it? How close to
resolution are you on this?

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
How long is she going to have to be in there?
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (06:19):
So?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Right now?

Speaker 7 (06:20):
She has been given a court date to the twenty ninth.
We are hoping that they will release her on the fourteenth,
where she'll be able to have that hearing here in Seattle.
But that's really just dependent upon ICE's mercy. The climate
in America right now is not friendly to immigration.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, okay, Victoria, thanks for talking us through it. Appreciated.
That's Victoria Bazantzen, who is a friend of the New
Zealand woman detained by the by Ice. Sarah Shaw is
her name. Imfet says they are aware of the situation
and they are seeking further information so hopefully they can
get on top of it. Listen, Taylor Swift. I know, randomly,
but Taylor Swift. Has Taylor Swift made her announcement?

Speaker 9 (06:57):
No, we'll do.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
We're chicking, chicking, check and checking, because two minutes ago
she was supposed to make an announcement. I'm surprised that
the producers I forgot about it. I've been front of
my mind this whole day. I've been waiting for this.
They're chasing up the information for me. So what happened
is anyway, I'll explain the Taylor Swift situation in just
a minute. We'll see if we can find out whether

(07:19):
she's actually made the big announcement or it's fourteen past four.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
It's the Heather Dupussy Alan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Zippy.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Oh, here we go. Here's the Taylor announcement for you
got it for Yeah, she's announced a brand new album
and she's done this on her boyfriend Travis Kelsey's podcast.
Her twelfth studio album album is called Life of a
show Girl.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
So I wanted to show you something.

Speaker 10 (07:43):
Okay, what do we got?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
We got a briefcase.

Speaker 11 (07:48):
Yep, mint green, yep.

Speaker 12 (07:52):
This is my brand new album, The Life of a
show Girls.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Wow. He didn't even know that she was doing this hot,
that is what she was doing with her time, this
whole time. Isn't that amazing? Seventeen past four sport.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
With tab powerplays and a lock figure on its it's
our eighteen bit responsibly.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm still going to tell you about the Taylor Swift
thing later on. Anyway. Darcy Watergrove sports talk host is
with us right now. Hello, Darcy, good afternoon.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Run us through all the rules, please, all of them.

Speaker 10 (08:20):
How long have you got the important Okay, the important
ones This is the new protocol for the America's Cup
got released two o'clock this afternoon. Of all the sailors
on board, one must be a woman. That's a big one.
They also have a six person on board the boat
and that will be a guest or a VIP or
a sponsor, or a media guy or an influencer or whatever.

(08:43):
The other one is batteries are going to replace manual power,
so they're no longer plugging it into a gri They're
plugging it into a grid, not using cyclaus or grinders,
which is so punishing. You've been a grinder, I mean,
you be a grinder on it? Don't okay, it's not
worth it. It's miserable. I tried it once and I'm tiny.
It's just no good for anyone. There's also got a

(09:06):
protocol where they're going to set up an implementation of
a group called the America's Cup Partnership. So it's a
body and it's establishing equal authority for everybody involved. So
it looks an on and off the water discussions, development, protection, community, commercialization,

(09:26):
excuse me, all sorts. So they're they're they're opening the
gates to make it a very different event, there's there's
so much more. Jump into the Herald and take a
look at that. But it got released today and it
was along with everyone else's involved, because it used to
just be the defender and the challenge of record that
have put this together, but now they've opened it up

(09:47):
for all of the other challenges.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Can I just ask you a question, why do they
have to have that that position for a media guy
or whatever on board?

Speaker 10 (09:55):
I don't know, an influencer possibly, Look imagine you know
a guy called mister b You heard it right, Okay,
So imagine getting someone like mister Beast on board.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So this is just in order to do pr I
would expect so ought to look after a king or
a queen or a Why do they have to have
a woman?

Speaker 10 (10:13):
Well, because isn't that the way the world that everybody
is engaged and involved? Don't every They need to slowly
feed this in. They've got the America's Woman Women's World Cup,
so they've got that there. But I think, like, let's.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Be honest about it, America the America's Cup team that
it's because Dalton's team's got a really awesome woman and
they know not everybody's going to be able to find
an awesome woman. So they've got an advantage.

Speaker 10 (10:35):
You're talking about mackay, right there you go, are there
planning around Joela is very good. There's a number and
you look across the globe.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Though.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
The screw and the scrum isn't it. It's not about
being wokesters. It's about screwing the scrum. Love it. Hey,
speaking of women? Yeah, okay, So I want.

Speaker 10 (10:54):
To discuss that tonight on the show. We're just walking
around to climb on board with.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
So we've got Kelly Jackson heading over to play netball
in Australia. We've got to Pius Selby Rickett, We've got
Maddi Gordon, We've got Karen Berger. Now four of them.
Well on top of Graton.

Speaker 10 (11:09):
Yeah, no, Grace is gone. Grace wicked play which she's good. Yeah,
and it's confirmed. But this new news around Maddy Gordon
and to Pie Selby record and Karen Berger, that's not
official yet, but it has understood that's the case. I
spoke with Kelly Jackson earlier today. You can get some

(11:29):
of that on the podcast Sports Fix, and I asked
her about who else is coming on board. Well, there's
been discussing to if you talk to other silver Ferns
about this and teammates, well, you know, of course since
the eligibility change, we've been talking. You known to tell
me who they are.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
No, this is good for the silver Ferns. This is
good because they're going over to play in this in
the competition right that you need to play it so
they will come back so strong.

Speaker 10 (11:52):
It's good for them. But is it any good for
the domestic company.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
No, it's not good for our domestic competition. But what's
more important to you, Darcy, our domestic competition or our
international squad.

Speaker 10 (12:01):
What they've got to do with the domestic competition now
is look at pathways through and that's what they're doing,
saying when the silver Ferns, we're going to find the
best of the best. But if they're not playing in
our comp the three four, five six, that gives room
for others to write, so try and find the positives.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Looking for I am I'm into it. Hey, thank you
very much.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
Like the sports stories before about the footballer with the
pop star wife, good sports story.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, it is a sports story. I've forgotten about that.
I've forgotten about that. Darcive Watter grave sports forces, Taylor
Swift host He'll be back at seven.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Pas getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's hither duplicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
They'd be there.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Any day that a kid in Garza goes hungry is
a day that Hermas allowed them to go hungry. Her
Muss alone can end the suffering, all of it for
the kids and the hostages alike. Tomorrow. Listen, this is
what this is what you have to understand. For Humus.
They don't care about the people of Palestine. Okay, so
there's nothing you can do to Hammus. It's going to
make them want to feed the kids. They don't care.
This is good for them. The more the more, frankly
it is as a calculated as this is, the more

(13:06):
attention that the world gives this because kids are starving,
the better from us. So Humas and not. You can't
force com Us to feed the kids, nor, by the way,
can you force Israel. They don't care either, Right, I
don't even think that either of these groups, actually the
leadership in these in these organizations care about the people
at the bottom. That is for the world to step
in and try to sort it out. So I feel
like what's happened is that two issues have become conflated here,

(13:29):
which is the state of Palestine and feeding the kids,
and they're completely separate issues. Feed the kids, that's your
number one. Nothing else matters more at the moment. But anyway,
the world works in mysterious ways. It's full twenty.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Five ever, do for see Ellens.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
The debate around this, though, has claimed to scalp in
parliament because Chloe has been kicked out. So Chloe said
something in parliament about, oh, if we can only find
sixty eight MPs, you know, from the nash from the
other side of the house with a spine, then we
can blubb it. And then Jerry got up and said
that's not okay. You can't say that withdrawn apologize and
she said no, And Jerry said, well, you're going to

(14:02):
get to get out of the house, and she said happily,
and off she went, and that was the end of
Chloe in the house today. Anyway, Barry will I can't
quite figure out what it is that she said that
really got the goat of Jerry, because saying with a
spine does not feel like the most offensive thing has
been set in politics lately, you know, after the sea bomb.
That feels like it's quite low level. But anyway, maybe

(14:23):
Barry Soaper can explain to us what exactly so. But
then David got upset. David got upset because they were
wearing the scarves in Parliament, which they've been doing. I
don't know why today he's upset about that. They've been
doing it for ages anyway, so it's been a big
brew haha in there. So barry'sop will run us through
politics shortly. Taylor Swift, So what happened is that Taylor
Swift teased she loves a tease, and she teased today

(14:43):
a series of twelve photos on her Instagram account, all
of the pictures of her on the Era's tour, all
of them in Orange. I don't know what that means,
but people connect with people were like, oh, with that's
an album coming, there's got to be something. And sure enough,
she also said, thinking about when she said see you next, Era,
it's all cryptic youth talk. I don't know, but they
were right, and an album was released was announced producer Sam,

(15:05):
who's into her and all this kind of stuff, says
the official release date and cover art hasn't yet been released.
It has to come out before the thirteenth of October
because that's the latest shipping date. You can already pre
order the album. You can already spend money on it now,
so Taylor knows how to make a dollar anyway. That's
the end of all the Taylor News for you.

Speaker 11 (15:22):
News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
The news talks'd be what is a fill of? It's
on about you?

Speaker 13 (15:51):
What is a pill?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Australia has just cut the cash rates by twenty five
basis points. We'll talk to Murray Old's about that in
a tech and Barrysoper standing by to talk politics in
ten minutes time. Shane Jones has decided to seek advice
from officials as to whether he can ration gas because
as you know, as a country, we're running out of
gas and running out a lot faster than we thought

(16:14):
we would and it doesn't look like we I feel
like we need to get on board of this idea.
There ain't going to be no more gas, So gas
is running out in this country, and it's just a
case of how long can you basically go before you
need to convert? How much gas have we got left?
And so what he's doing is he wants to consider
the possibility of giving the gas to businesses that he
wants to give it to and rationing it to them essentially.

(16:35):
And what's brought this on is that you remember, Balance
announced on Friday that they were going to shut down
maybe for four months in order to be able to
you know, because they can't afford the gas contract. What's
happened as they've been outbid by Contact, and Contact has
basically paid more than Balance was prepared to pay in
order to onsell it to its customers. So this is
what's brought this idea on for Shane Joe's it's nutty,
It's completely nutty. But I think we're down to the

(16:57):
nutty stuff now because I think that there's no other
salts anyway. We'll have it yet to have alfter five
o'clock about that, hither, what do you mean cryptic youth talk?
Taylor Swift is thirty five. Just because she's emotionally stunted
doesn't mean she's youth Well, cryptic youth talk because she
talks like she's a poet. Have you noticed that? Like,
it must be one of the most frustrating conversations. It
must be frustrating to have anything to do with Taylor

(17:19):
Swift in real life, because she talks like she's writing
a poem at you. The whole time she's like trying
to like, what does she mean? Why is the sentence
starting in the middle of a sentence? And then you know,
like it's all just quite weird. I just find it.
I find it takes about three times as long to
understand what Taylor's trying to say.

Speaker 14 (17:34):
Thirty five isn't that old either, is it? I mean,
a thirty five year old could sall tell you why
I have a young person three.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Hundred years ago, she'd be dead. Well, she have a
couple of years left, right, she'd have like a brood
of children. She had about twelve children. She's be on
to her second husband, and she'd be two years away
from being dead, twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Donald Trump has pulled in the National Guard for a
crackdown on crime in Washington, DC. He says crime is
out of control in the Cawpital, despite official statistics showing
that violent crime in the city is at a thirty
year low.

Speaker 15 (18:04):
Well deployee officers across the district with an overwhelming presence.
You'll have more police and you'll be so happy because
you'll be a safe.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
A Democrat strategist who lives in DC says this is nuts.

Speaker 11 (18:19):
DC crime was at a thirty year low last year.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
This year it's.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
Down twenty four percent from that historical low, so clearly
dizey crime is in a better place.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Australian Federal Opposition leader Susan Lay has criticized Elbow's decision
to recognize the state of Palestine. Foreign Minister Pennywong has
acknowledged that the Palestinian authority does have some problems, but
she says that's no reason not to recognize them as
a nation.

Speaker 16 (18:44):
There's a lot of reform for the Palestinian authority which
is required. We are clear eyed about that success is
not guaranteed. That success never comes from just doing the
same thing over and over again and hoping for a
different outcome.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And finally, SpongeBob SquarePants, if you're wondering one of the
biggest nuclear power plants in France has been shut down
by a swarm of jellyfish. The plant shut down automatically
when the jellyfish swam into a pumping station and jammed
the reactor's cooling system. Believe it or not, this kind
of thing happens to coastal nuclear plants all of the time,

(19:19):
so scientists have been working on a jellyfish early warning system.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
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Speaker 3 (19:28):
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Speaker 9 (19:29):
He mus get either, I tell you who likes talking
to Taylor Swift and that would be her back manager.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Oh what bet ay? Because you know, regardless of what billions,
you can't criticize the woman's ability to make a coin
that takes a special talent, doesn't it.

Speaker 13 (19:45):
Now?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Okay, what's Susan Laih's argument about Palestine.

Speaker 9 (19:48):
Well, it's it's kind of like it's a bit specious.
And you know I say that, and you know I'm
a labor voter. It just seems a bit odd because
it's been Coalition policy for years, for since John Howard
for over twenty years, that there has to be a
two state solutions. Okay, but when when it's never going

(20:10):
to be early enough for Israel. I mean, I'm sorry,
late enough for Israel. Israel doesn't certainly under Benjamin Yahoo.
So Susan Lee says it's premature. She's also I've just
got some quotes here. Susan Lee says, Albanezi has gone
early and he's out of his depth. Scott Morrison, former
Prime minister, it's a hollow gesture. Josh Friedenberg at one

(20:33):
point astraight as leading Jewish politician. He of course was
tipped to be the Prime minister after Scott Morris until
he lost his seat. He says, it's a logical because
you're rewarding a terrorist organization that committed everyone acknowledges the
most egregious, horrendous crime on October seven. There's no disputing that.
But as Petty Woma said, and the clip you're played,

(20:54):
when do you start to change the narrative because it's
not going to change anytime soon unless you do a
little proud weird the National's leader, you're giving dessert to
the children before vegetables, which, given the state of the
food supply and gaza properly is a little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Do they not have a point though? Ms Because the
state of Palestine has been put forward as a solution
to the food crisis at the moment, how does that
fix what's going on right now? I mean, surely the
solution to the food crisis is more aid, not a
state of Palestine.

Speaker 9 (21:26):
You're getting more aid in of course, you know, but
Israel keeps resisting that, right, I mean, yeah, isn't Israel
resisting that the Israeli US food distribution plan that's been
in place with what three months or more, that's just
not working. And you know, of course we dispute the figures,
the Hamas figures according to the people who support Israel,

(21:47):
all the figures about dead children, dead mums. You know,
there's a stat came out today. You may have seen this,
I'm sure you have. In fact, Unse says there's a
classroom of Palestinian kids getting killed every day, and that
just as you can't I mean, Israel's losing the pr wars.
There are millions of friends of Israel and Australia. I
bet there are in New Zealand, but Hell's bells. When

(22:09):
you look at what's happening there, you just say, well,
when's it going to be right? You know what I mean? Yeah,
it's a tough question here.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
I think we all feel pretty helpless watching this happen. Now,
how are you feeling about that RBA cut?

Speaker 9 (22:23):
That's pretty good, yeah, but widely expected. I mean, you know,
a third of Australians have a mortgage, a third rent,
and a third ow in their own places. So the
Reserve Bank it did cut interest rates today five of
one percent, so down to three point six percent for
the official cash rate the Australian dollar. Anticipated that it
was sixty five and change sixty five point two the

(22:46):
decision back in July they kept the rate on hold.
Are the interest rate on hold? And that despite a
different inflation and evidence that jobs growth was slowing significantly,
and it did so. Look right now today inflation appears
to be under control. The jobless numbers are rising, you know, modestly,

(23:07):
it must be said. And some people even were saying
there could be a cut of point three five percent
down to three and a half, and a lot of
people were saying, can you just make it even please?
Three and a half three point two five three Because
those of us who are mathematically challenged look suffice to say.
She's a very very able woman, Michelle Bullock. She is
the boss of the Reserve Bank of Australia. And at

(23:28):
about forty five minutes time, she'll be standing up Unusually,
this didn't happen until her reign and she'll be holding
a full on news conference to explain exactly what's happened
and the reasons behind it.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Brilliant stuff, Marz, thank you so much. As always, Murray
Old's Australia correspondent on that business of Trump and Washington, DC.
So what is perplexing about what he's just done with
the National Guard is as as people are saying, in fact,
everything is trending down when it comes to crime. So
violent crime overall, I'll just give you the stats, right,
Violent crime overall is down twenty six percent this year.
Robbery is down to twenty eight percent this year. Murder

(24:01):
rate is down twelve percent this year. Carjackings are down.
So far this year they've recorded one hundred and eighty
nine carjacking offenses, but the same period last year was
three hundred carjacking offenses. So if he was going to
be upset about it at any stage, he should have
been last year, not this year, because this year is
looking quite good. Actually, Barry Soaper is with us next
sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 3 (24:28):
Barry Soaper, senior political correspondents with US Now, Barry, Hello,
good afternoon. Okay, So run us through what's happened in
parliament Regaza.

Speaker 17 (24:35):
Well, you know, a lot of rhetoric and a lot
of fairly fierce rhetoric in parliament, which is to be
expected because people hold very strong views either way. But
you know, the thing that interests me is that this
question of recognition of Palestine, is that going to stop
the war. Are they going to finally put down the arms?

(24:57):
Hummus and say, look, oh they've recognized so that's good.
They can send it as a badge of honor if
they did, do you no.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
In fact anything, If anything, it's actually prolonging the war
because Comas has now come out, since this has blown up,
has come out and said we will not lay down
arms until we get a stated, So it's actually given.

Speaker 17 (25:12):
I think we're all getting sidetracked. And I see Alan
Clark was at the guards a border with Mary Robinson,
the former President of Ireland and I admire Clark for
going there. She wanted to see firsthand just how bad
the situation was. But she had to go at New
Zealand for it. She said, this is not the New Zealand.
I know recognition, she said, coupling, coudling, She called it

(25:34):
right back up to Washington, d C. So she's saying
we're playing a wait and see game to see Washington
and to see how they responded by recognizing we could
upset Donald Trump. And part of that I guess is
could be true. So the Greens co leader Chloe Swarbreck,

(25:56):
she was in the thick of it in Parliament today
during question time she was far in questions at the
Prime Minister. But it was the Palestinian scarf that she
had neatly covering her seat in the debating chamber that
ex David Seymour took a pence at Lester's figure.

Speaker 18 (26:12):
I join your attention to the member who has just
resumed her seat, which is adorned with a Palestinian scarf,
and I'd want you to consider what this House might
look like if everybody who had an interest in a
global conflict started adorning their seats with symbols of one
side or the other of a conflict. I think that
would bring the house into disrepute.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
You make a very good point, Actually, I think I've
been willing to accept that if people were wearing something
that did not particularly Oh here we go. Good, Okay,
we'll stay warm, we'll move on.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Now she's wrapped it around there.

Speaker 17 (26:45):
So yeah, she took it off the seat, wrapped it
around her shoulders, as were all the other Green members
with Palestinian scarves draping their shoulders, all in different colors,
not just the black and white today. So that was interesting.
But look, after questions would with a speaker, brownly allowed
a debate on the recognition of Palestine, and that was

(27:06):
moved by Labour's toe Henade. I keep saying toe.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
I knew it when I raally onset.

Speaker 17 (27:13):
Yeah, exactly after Hanare and Winston Peters had the essay,
as you're about to hear, Swarbrick was back on her
feet and incurred the wrath of the speaker.

Speaker 19 (27:23):
The warrant Gaza has killed so many and created the
humanitarian crisis which greets us.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Every morning we open our eyes.

Speaker 19 (27:32):
Recognition, we believe is a necessary step towards ending the
cycle of violence.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
We are witnessing.

Speaker 19 (27:40):
What we're seeing from this government is an activity and
sadly walking blissfully into the sunset of ignorance for.

Speaker 20 (27:50):
The Labor Party's benefit. They had fifteen years to recognize
Palestine's statehood. I had hewn o'clock this morning. Well, she
was a prime minister from ninety nine to two thousand
and eight. Did you do that then?

Speaker 21 (28:06):
No?

Speaker 20 (28:07):
And then twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three they had
the second chance, and mister Hopkins was.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
There as well to do that. Then did they do it?

Speaker 22 (28:17):
No?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Six years?

Speaker 9 (28:18):
No, missus Speaker.

Speaker 12 (28:19):
I will reiterate my poll for the government to pick
up our Unlawful Occupation of Palestine Sanctions Bill and to
sanction Israel for its war crimes. If we find sex
of sixty eight government MP's with a spine, we can
stand on the right side of history.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
That is completely unacceptable. To make that statement withdrawn and apologize.
N then leave the house for the rest of the week.

Speaker 17 (28:47):
So she's got a week off.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
So offensive about what she says.

Speaker 17 (28:50):
Well, I've got to say I've heard many more eventsive
things in Parliament, don't.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Well brookvn Feld and dropped the sea.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Ball the week.

Speaker 17 (28:57):
It's exactly right, but I think, you know, Jerry was
a It was a pretty fierce debate, but you know,
I think she came out of Parliament and she said,
I think he was a bit heavy handed, and I
think he probably was on this occasion. I meant to
call MP spinalers. You're meant to call them honorable members
when you're in the debating chamber, and of course you

(29:17):
don't think that, but you're not meant to say what
you think in that place. So she sort of incurred
the wrath and is now on holiday for the rest
of the week.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Barry, really quickly, what do you make of the poll?
There's a little update from the Taxpayers Union, isn't that?

Speaker 23 (29:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (29:35):
And there'll probably be more of this on TVNZ tonight
because they always follow up these poles. And it comes
as no surprise at all really that, you know, growing
the economy it got minus three percent, reducing costs for
household minus thirty nine percent, managing national accounts and to
get them back into surplus minus one, creating joles minus

(29:57):
thirty three and wasteful spending reducing it minus four.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
So this is the government's scorecard, according to votors.

Speaker 17 (30:04):
Yes, I was going to say that that everything is
in the negative. That won't come as good news to
the government, but it won't come as any surprise because
they know and we know the economy. Stupid is the
problem here.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Very Soper,
senior political correspondent, eight away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

Speaker 24 (30:27):
A good news around tourism can be found in Queenstown.
Danny Luke is the chief operating officer at Skyline. If
you see it, does the whole town see it? In
other words, as the whole ways booming?

Speaker 8 (30:37):
It is you're seeing real gross down here. At the
moment it went, it's been vibrant and we've got lots
of international visitors coming in, which is great to see.

Speaker 24 (30:43):
What's your vibe in terms of it's too busy, it's
too full.

Speaker 8 (30:46):
We don't think that. What do we think the is
room for growth here? I mean, we're investing significantly in
our infrastructure at Skyline. We know other tourism operators are
doing the same. We believe there's probably an assistance from
the government required in terms of traffic congestion, but there
is great.

Speaker 24 (31:00):
Here back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with Maylee's Real Estate News talk Zby.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Listen, I just the whole taxpayer's Curier poll. The whole
bundle has just landed on my desk, and there's some
really interesting things. Laura just walked in with it. She said,
here you go. You asked for it, I got it
for you. That's how amazing she is. But there's some
very interesting stuff in there actually that I need to
run you through. And none of this let's just get
this out of the way. None of this is good

(31:27):
for the government. So stand by and we'll get through
this in the next hour or so, four away from five.
Do you want to hear how easily Chippy tells Fipps.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
So he was on radio this morning and he was
defending Willow jen Prime for ghosting Erica Stanford's invitations for
a meeting, and he said it was all good when
he got involved because he's such a hero. Have listened.

Speaker 9 (31:47):
Well, as soon as I found out about that, Willow
Jean Prime did go back to eric Is Stanford and
ask for the meeting.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Eric Stanford then came back and said, no, sorry, it's
too late. That's not what happened. As soon as he
got involved with it. Willow jen Prime did not ask
Erica Stanford for the meeting. What happened was, as soon
as he got involved, Willow gen Prime declined the invitation
for the meeting. It wasn't until about three weeks later
that Willow Jean Prime finally wrote back to Eric and say, Okay,

(32:12):
have the meeting now, and Erica's like, ah, no, bro,
decisions have already been made. But the point of this
is not to rehearse the whole thing. It's simply to
point out to you Chippy has a real phibby problem, mate,
Like it's I mean, I know all politicians like to
guild the lily, but Chippy is Chippy's taking this to
a new level of just like he has borderline on
the L word. I'm not allowed to say the L

(32:34):
word too often because I can get sued for defamation.
I'm lying is the word. By the way I can
get suited for defamation also makes me sound like I'm
too hard of a bird, and I you know, I
want you to think I'm a little bit nice. So
I'm just skirting that word and I'm calling it fibbing.
But that boy can tell a poor kier. He's got
a nice smiley face, looks real friendly and stuff. You
got old butterwoodn't mouted on Chippy. Chippy's just blu telling

(32:55):
your FIBs the whole time anyway. Keeping an eye on
it for you. Shane Joe us with us next and
David on rationing the gas obviously, and then David Seymour
will explain what is going on why our government isn't
following the Aussies into recognizing the Palestinian state. Newstalks 'b.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's Get Connected News Talks dB.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Good afternoon. There are reports that Shane Jones is investigating
whether he can or should rationale gas supply to keep
certain businesses going. Now this comes after Balance lost its
gas supply to Contact Energy so that Contact Energy could
supply homes. Shane Jones is the Associate Minister of Energy
and with us right now.

Speaker 23 (34:06):
Hey Shane, Hey, gooda good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Are you seriously considering rationing.

Speaker 23 (34:13):
We've taken some advice as to how we can dedicate
the gas to the most important purpose from Andy Knight
at the gas company and our MB officials. Naturally, there's
a lot of resistance to the idea of the crown
replacing the market. But I've got to tell you, with
the gas plummeting and the ability of gent tailors to
burn more coal, we don't want to see them profiting

(34:34):
from too much gas at the cost of ordinary key
weis who are really living in grim circumstances in relation
to their business life.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Are you considering banning new gas connections on new builds.

Speaker 23 (34:48):
No, No, I'm aware that there is a proposal to
transition people in their homes away from gas to solar energy,
and they've done that in aussy and that should be
looked at. But I'm not in the business of banning
any gas experience. That was my unfortunate acquiescence six years ago,
and hopefully you realize I've paid my penance.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Okay, So what happens if you do get into the
rationing business. What happens to people who need gas to
run their stoves?

Speaker 23 (35:17):
Well, let's just step back. The first thing is we're
going to deploy some of this two hundred million dollars
in the short term to accelerate the delivery of gas
amongst those limited number of companies that are still sinking
wells in Taranaky and can increase the amount of gas.
The bigger problem, however, is that the gas decline is
continuing down inexorably. Trying we are trying to work with

(35:41):
firms to transition them onto electricity. But I got to
tell you, Heather, the electricity prices are still stupendously high
and that won't change until we obtained the animal spirits
in the gentile pertually.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
But listen, Shane, answer that question for me. If you
decide to ration and you give it to business ahead
of consumers who live in houses, what happens to the
houses that need to run gas through their stoves? What
do they do?

Speaker 23 (36:03):
No, we're not We're not making any blunt decisions. For example,
we've got hospitals and schools that it dependent on gas.
So no, no, no, we're not going to make any
blunt decisions. We're going to first make sure that we've
got high quality advice and what is actually doable. And
that's why I would turn to arguably the cleverest man
about gas in New Zealand and the CEO of the gas.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Company Listen, is this thermal co idea goer for you?

Speaker 23 (36:27):
Well, it originally started, I'm told, with Contact Energy before
I had the portfolio, and well, you know, we've got
to move through the various options that the officials will
provide to us, and we haven't got to that point.
But the mixed views about it. One view is that
the Crown is absorbing the detritus of the gent tailors

(36:50):
will lay swell off and make more money, but that
won't be happening. Their glory days are over. And the
other is if we need gas and coal, it's probably
a good idea to ensure that we have our own
reserves of coal rather than just bringing it in from Indonesia.
And if we're going to get more gas either imported
or extracted from our own land, then the government needs

(37:11):
to have an integrally involved in that to keep the
lights on, right.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Shane, thanks for your time, Shane Jones, The Associate Minister of.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Energy, Heather due for the Allen.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
The government is defending its decision to take its time
on the recognition of a Palestinian state. There are reports
it's being held up by coalition disagreements. David Seymour is
the Deputy Prime Minister and the ACT Party lead down
with us. Now, hey, David, is it really coalition disagreements
or is it simply that all of you guys are
on board with taking your time here.

Speaker 25 (37:38):
Well, first of all, the only person saying that is
Chris Hipkins. Chris Hipkins doesn't know what's happening in cabinet,
mainly because the voters ejected him from that room for
being a bit useless. Quite frankly, the truth is that
the government is taking its time. Some people say this
conflict goes back four thousand years. I don't think it's

(37:59):
a major problem for the government of New Zealand on
the other side of the world to take a few
weeks to come to a sober and sensible decision where
we know where we stand and also have thought through
things like what happens next. Because I can understand people
who are affected by the emotion of seeing these grotesque

(38:21):
scenes and terrible things that are happening. We understand that,
but the question is what do you do about it?
And I believe going to come to a very good
position as a government that upholds New Zealand's tradition as
a country of independent and thoughtful foreign policy, seen as
an honest broker in the world.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Okay, what is the argument for not doing it in
September with everybody?

Speaker 25 (38:44):
Well, we may very well do that if we go
through the discussions we have planned and get to a
position by then. But again I think there's this enormous
onus of everybody must do something. It almost doesn't matter
what the truth is that these kinds of awful conflicts
occur because people are ruled by their passions instead of

(39:06):
thinking carefully about how they'd like the world to work.
Now we will get to a place where our government
can hand on hearts say that we are thinking carefully
about all of the different sides and their objectives and
the challenges they face and why they are in the
place they're in, rather than trying to almost prove our

(39:27):
own moral superiority over each other, which the likes of
Chloe Swarbrock have just been doing getting kicked out of Parliament.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
For David, Thanks very much for your time, David seymore deepity, Prime.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Minister Heather Duplessy, Allen some good news.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
On what's going on in this country. I suppose this
can be kind of a marker of what's going on
the Codrona hotel. People have had so much interest in
selling their hotel they've narrowed it down to an exclusive
group that they're negotiating within that group of still eight groups,
so they have got they've had that much interest that
when they narrowed it down, thus still dealing with eight

(40:00):
different potential buyers. They reckon that they have had interest
from locally, so there's enough money here to be able
to buy it. They've had interest from Australia, they've had
interests from the US, and they've had interests from Singapore.
They say a sale announcement on that hotel is expected
in the coming weeks, and good luck to them. Fourteen
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(40:43):
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Speaker 4 (41:04):
Heather do for Sea Allen hither.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
We are unfortunate enough to be in a house that
is gas hot water, gas heating and gas cooking. Not
sure how we would afford to transition off. This is
the trouble. Even though Shane Jones played that down just
then a you notice that he was like, ah, nothing, Cavin,
but listen, we are running out of gas as a country.
We're not gonna get more gas, and if we do
get more gases not happening in the next decade. So
if you have got the gas connections which I have.
Start thinking about what you're going to do, Start saving

(41:28):
your pennies. I think seventeen past five. Now the new
America's Cup Protocol has beneficially signed and there are some
big changes here. Grinders and cyclers are gone. There will
only be five crew members per boat, and every team
must include at least one female sailor. David Blakey is
commodore of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron and with us.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Now, hey David, hi Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I'm very well, thank you. Now, will you admit that
the token woman is definitely Grant Dalton screwing the scrum
because he's got a great token woman.

Speaker 26 (41:56):
No, absolutely not. One of the successes of the Life
Last event was having both a youth and the women's
America's Cup. And what this does is creates a pathway
for our talented young female sailors to go all the
way and be able to compete on the America's Cup
boats themselves.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Oh yeah, okay, so is the ladies there for a pathway?

Speaker 25 (42:15):
Is she?

Speaker 9 (42:16):
No?

Speaker 26 (42:17):
Well, as I say, creates a place for aspiring young
sailors to be able to participate in the boat itself.
And one of the questions we got asked today does
that mean potentially in the future you could have a
boat crewed solely by a woman. And the potential is
indeed there.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
David, do you reckon you've I wasn't planning to do this,
but now you've opened it up. Do you reckon? Have
we taken all of the physical strength stuff out of
this so women can compete fairly against men in.

Speaker 26 (42:43):
This Well, that depends on whether the technology goes hither.
What you will have noticed today is the cycles are
no longer on the boat. That's created more place for
sailors to get on the boat. But they're extremely powerful
machines and they require a lot of skill to sail.
Going to come down to a combination, as it always does,
between the technology and the skill of the sailors. Ultimately

(43:05):
it's going to determine who wins.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Okay. And one of the rules is that what you're
allowed to foreigners on your boat? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (43:11):
That's correct?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Okay? So is that allowing what does that allow us
to do?

Speaker 26 (43:16):
So that that that allows a team to have two
non nationals on their boat. So so two crews from
not not from their home nation on the boat. So
and and that that's particularly helpful to to new teams
who want to enter the Event's rule Well it's not
the Peter Burley rule, but but it you know, opens

(43:38):
up the possibility for people to be able to sail
and other teams, particularly the newer ones that want to
get established.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Hey, why do we get rid of the grinders and
the cyclists?

Speaker 26 (43:49):
A couple of reasons. So one was to take weight
out of the boat and and change the way that
they're sailed.

Speaker 27 (43:55):
So you're you're.

Speaker 26 (43:56):
Bringing in more of the new technology around batteries to
to to make it easier for them to sail, and
to adjust the sales and the trim of the foils
on the boat while they're sailing. And as I mentioned earlier,
it enables us to have more people on the boat itself,
so more people actually sailing the boat, which I think
was one of the bits of feedback that we had

(44:17):
from the previous adventors. People would like to see more
people actually sailing the boat rather than necessarily just powering it.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, fair enough, David, Hey, thanks very much for talking
us through to appreciate it. David Blakie, Royal New Zealand
Yacht Squadron Commodore. By the way, the token woman is
called Live Mackay. I mean she's actually a really good sailor,
so she deserves to be named Live MacKaye is the woman.
We have got a bit of a problem. If you've
been following what's been going on with hell Morton Hospital,
you'll know a couple of guys who are in hell
Molton Hospital with the mental health problems got out and

(44:44):
killed people. Just had an inquiry into it. We'll have
the results for you. We'll talk it through with Health
New Zealand after half past five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Let's get connected these.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Dogs, they'd be five twenty three so unhappy to report
to you that it looks like some of us want
to play the old should Luxe and be rolled game.
In the wake of the not so great polls that
came out yesterday, there is a column by Andrea Vants,
who I am name checking because she's good and credible
and not just some junior reporter with an opinion. In
her column, she predicts that Luxon is in trouble, that

(45:21):
his caucus is getting impatient, that speculation about his leadership
has reached fever pitch, and that if it doesn't improve,
she is not sure that he's going to be the
one leading the National Party at the election election this
time next year. Now, if this is really what National
MPs are considering, they should ditch that idea immediately because
Luxin's not their problem. I mean, he is a problem,

(45:42):
there's no debate that, with personal popularity setting at about
twenty percent, he is a drag on the National Party.
But he is not their actual problem. Their actual problem
is that the economy is stuffed and that they haven't
yet figured out what to do to fix it, even
though they've had eighteen months. And it really doesn't matter
who the leader is, whether it's Nicola or Chris Buship
or Erica or Mark Mitchell or Golden Balls, it doesn't matter.

(46:05):
They still will not have a plan for the economy.

Speaker 8 (46:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
If they're worried about their polling right now, they should
try playing the game of musical leadership leadership musical chairs
and see what happens to their polling then, because they're
still not going to have a plan for the economy.
But then they'll also have voters feeling like it's the
shambles up the top of the beehive and not sure
what's going on there. Yes, they have a problem. Yes
you can see it in the polls. So fix it.

(46:31):
Come up with a solution, Come up with a credible
plan for fixing the economy now and into the future.
That is where the NATS should be directing their energy,
not into undermining Chris Luxen together. So I told you
earlier that Laura the producer, had managed to get a
hold of the entire bundle of what's going on in
the taxpayers Union Curier Pole, and we've been told to
get a hold of it because apparently the wrong track

(46:52):
right track is fascinating. Well, it's fascinating in that it's dire.
It's just dire. This is where people get asked, quite simply,
do you think that the country is headed in the
right direction or in the wrong direction? Because what that
takes into account is yet, it might be a bit
shite right now, but as long as it's headed in
the right direction, you've got confidence. It's completely in the
wrong direction. Two thirds of people are saying it's headed

(47:13):
in the wrong direction. So it's a full thirty four
percent says yep, we're going in the right direction. Fifty
four percent say we're going in the wrong direction. So
when you subtract one from the other, what you get
is a net negative of twenty one percent. Now, that
is as bad as it's been. It's worse than it's
been the entire time that these guys have been in government.
It's as bad as i've It doesn't go back far

(47:35):
enough because we've only got we've only got it from
pretty much when they took over. So I don't know
what was going on under labor, but that's a really
bad number, and I'd be surprised if it was any
worse than that under labor. Anyway, that's their problem. And
as to you back up my claim that the economy
is the issue here, they ask people as well, this
is the taxpayer's union, curier pole. They ask people, what
what is it that you are the most worried about.

(47:55):
What's the thing that you're going to vote about? Vote
on health ten percent, the treaty three percent, housing three percent,
Law and order two percent, the economy and cost of
living forty five percent, forty five percent, like look at
the others. Right, it's two two percent, three percent, ten percent,

(48:17):
the economy forty five percent. That is why these guys
are getting punished, not only because the economy is bad,
because they don't have a plan as well. Anyway, good
luck to them, hopefully they can figure it out. Now
the nappy case. I don't know if you've been following
the Zuru case in the High Court, but it is fascinating.
I reckon we've got more insight from this nappy case

(48:39):
and to how the supermarkets work than we have from
the grocery Commissioner. Anyway, I'm going to run you through that.
Before six o'clock we got the Huddle standing by Garethuse
and Thomas Scriminger. And also let's talk next about what's
going on at Hill Morton News Talks. He'd been til

(48:59):
fly twice.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
After making the news. The news makers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talk.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Huddle standing by. I'm going to run you through. Remember
I have to run you through what's going on with
the Zoru nappy case. I think it's fascinating. Also, apparently
one in five businesses made a loss last year. This
is according to the IID. Now, that sounds like a lot,
but that's actually not that unusual, which is quite good
news given what we're going through as an economy. So
we'll have a chat to Gareth Kennan of Informetrics after

(49:41):
six about that. Twenty four away from six now, a
scathing report has found significant failings with Canterbury mental health services.
Two psychiatric patients have murdered innocent people in the community
on two separate occasions. You had the case in twenty
twenty two when the hill Morton Hospital in patients stabbed
a woman outside her christ Church home while he was
out on munity release. And then you had October last

(50:01):
year or another one of the mental health patients, Elliott Cameron,
murdered Fay Phelps in her garden. Phil Grady is the
National Director of Mental Health Service and Addictions at Health
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
I fell, hey, Heather, Phil, why did.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Your staff ignore Elliot Cameron's own warnings that he was
going to kill again?

Speaker 27 (50:20):
Look first and foremost, this is a tragic circumstance where
there has been two people killed in our community in Canterbury.
What I will say is that I can't talk about,
particularly around any findings related to Elliot Cameron because that
is part of a coronial inquiry.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Hold On, hold on, well, why does a coronial inquiry
prevent you from talking about it?

Speaker 23 (50:41):
Look, the.

Speaker 27 (50:43):
Coroner has put non publication order against the report. But
what I will say is that the internal report that
we didn't that particular case.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Okay, so he said you can't. They have said that
you can't publish that. But have they said you can't
talk about this at all?

Speaker 27 (51:05):
So there is a you know, there's all of the
coronial requirements in relation to that. But what I can
talk about is that I.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Just want to just explain to me just before we
move on, Explain to me, are you telling me that
because of a coroner's order you cannot talk about this
case at all?

Speaker 27 (51:25):
That that's why I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Year carry on then as you were.

Speaker 27 (51:29):
Yep, yes so. But look, today was released of the
section ninety nine report from doctor John Corshaw from the
Ministry of Health and look as how New Zealan look.
We accept that the report has identified failings in some
of the operation of the Caunterign Mental Health Service, except
the findings in full and certainly welcome doctor Coreshaw.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
So what you're telling me is you agree with what
he says. So what he says is that you guys
do not have enough staff. And what makes that even
worse is that even though you know you do not
have enough staff, for some reason, management just don't say
yes to hiring more staff. What's going on?

Speaker 27 (52:10):
Yeah, Look, so at the time October, sorry June and
twenty twenty two, there were staffing issues, particularly in the
forensic Mental Health service. But what I want to say
to you is that the staffing of that service has increased,
so there are more staff on the ground running that service.
In fact, there are eleven percent more staff in that service,
six percent more staff in the whole I increases in

(52:33):
the whole of Canterbury mental health services. Have you got
enough round more staff on the ground? Look, there is
an international challenges in recruiting mental health staff. They are
a key engine for operating a mental health services, a service.
We're focusing really hard as a country, but also on
Canterbury around recruiting more psychiatrists and increasing that pipeline and

(52:57):
that we can always use more.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Okay, now, listen, I think what we all want to
know about is the case obviously of Elliott Cameron and
Faith helps. So do you know when this publication order
is going to be lifted or when the coronial inquiry
is actually happening?

Speaker 27 (53:10):
Look the coronial inquirement. We know the coronial inquiry process
takes time and I think either behind you or what
question is? I think there's questions around why this happened
and you know what learning there can be from it,
but I just can't talk about it and the coronial
process will work through. It's work through the coroner's process.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
All right, Phil listen, thanks very much, look forward to
hearing what they've got to say at the coronial end.
Phil Grady, National Director of the Mental Health and Addictions
Service in Health New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
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Speaker 3 (53:46):
For you coming up twenty away from six and on
the huddle with us we have Gareth Hughes, director of
the Well Being Economy Alliance out here Allway, former Green
MP obviously and Thomas Scrimser of the Maximu Institute. Hire
you two. Gareth, you see Shane Jones's considering rationing what
gas we've got left. I mean that sounds desperate, doesn't it.

Speaker 28 (54:05):
Well, it's pretty odd thing for a government ministers to say.
I mean, it's quite incredible to be in the situation. Look,
I agree with Shane, probably not for the reason that
he thinks so we should be rationing it because it's
a fossil fuel. But it's ridiculous that we're in this
situation where businesses are shutting down, people are potentially going
out of work because of the problem, which has been

(54:25):
a long time in the making.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Is it a surprise to you, Garris, No, it's not.

Speaker 28 (54:30):
I mean people have been warning about this for decades,
and this is why I think a responsible government would
have acknowledged this is a sunset industry been trying to
look at the most high value, most efficient use of
the gas. Look, it's a real waste. If we're just
burning this for electricity or using it at our homes,
we'd better.

Speaker 23 (54:46):
To use it for now.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
You've got to stop working. I'm desperate not to. I'm
desperate not to get into a fight with you, Thomas.

Speaker 28 (54:55):
More than just the measure there for government, even you know,
the previous labor government have been rolling out salt of
the panel. Some people, Oh, we probably wouldn't be in
the fast you're asking for it.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
You're asking for it, Thomas, what do you think I mean?
This is I feel like we need to accept there
is no coming back from this. Is there like we
are running out of gas. We have not got gas
coming out. Probably rationing is the only sensible thing left
to do.

Speaker 23 (55:18):
Well.

Speaker 29 (55:19):
Gareth was talking about finding the most high value and
efficient use for the gas we have, which, as you mentioned,
is highly limited. But we have a system for rationing
and finding efficient use of resources. It's the price system.
And so I guess my observation is that if businesses
are getting outbids for gas on the open market against consumers,

(55:41):
that's telling us something that the consumers need for the
gas is higher than the businesses. Now, Gareth raised, I
guess solar panels on the roof of every house. It's
kind of misunderstanding where gas is used in the electricity
generation market. It's used as a peaking when other sources
are unavailable, and so currently the gas is providing a

(56:04):
really important function in the consumer electricity market. So it's
not the future of it, you know, It's not like
we can it's not like we're looking like we're finding
much more gas if we go exploring, but at the
moment it's still pretty crucial.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, Gareth, I need to ask you this question, right
because I just I don't always understand how greenheads work.
So is this what you guys wanted? I mean, what
you've got is you have got gas running out and
that's the ideal, but the reality is that we're replacing
it with coal. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 10 (56:36):
Oh?

Speaker 28 (56:36):
I feel terrible about it. It should not have happened.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yeah, what should have happened instead? Though, because this is
the only way that peaking works, well.

Speaker 28 (56:43):
We should have had a proper just transition to look
after those workers and actually transition. And the problem is
we've got a crazy electricity market that even you know.
I agree with Shane Jones on this point, the fact
that we're deindustrializing because of our super expensive electricity, where
gas is setting up the marginal price, the expensive price.
I think successive governments have failed to unlock what is

(57:05):
cheaper electricity. You look around the world, keeper investing in
wind and solar because it's cheaper, but we haven't taken
advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
People are investing in wind and solar because they don't
have as much renewable energy as we do. We are
like maxing it out. We're really good on that front, and.

Speaker 28 (57:20):
We should be saving the hydro dams to that peaking
function that Thomas mentioned. But when we're running our system
entirely for profit rather than the public good or actually
delivering cheaper electricty for companies and customers.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Okay, now do you think yeah? Actually, do you know
what I was going to ask you about Palestine? But
we need to take a break and then we'll deal
with Palestine afterwards. I think fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the Ones
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Speaker 3 (57:50):
Write your back of Thomas Scrimjer and Gareth Hughes on
the huddle. Thomas, should we recognize the state of Palestine
now or should we take our time?

Speaker 29 (57:57):
Well, I think it's perfectly reasonable for the government to
want to take its time. New Zealand's long express a
desire for a two state solution, but there are some
really key things we have to be clear on if
we're going to recognize a Palestinian state and for it
to be meaningful, so as people will be aware. Palestine
as it currently exists in two geographic areas with two

(58:19):
different groups in authority. Gaza, where Israel is waging its war,
is governed by Hamas and has been for over a decade.
The West Bank is ruled by the Palestinian Authority, And
like an indispensable part of recognizing a state is identifying
a legitimate government that has a capacity to enter into

(58:40):
relations with other states. If we can't point to this
group and say they are the government of this new
Palestinian state, recognition doesn't mean a whole lot. So the
question for New Zealand to actually resolve in our minds
is who is this state of Palestine we will recognize?
And because this is the merging out of a concern
for the war in Gaza, how recognizing the Palestinian authority

(59:02):
as that state actually help the people on the ground there?

Speaker 23 (59:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Can you argue with any of that, Gareth.

Speaker 28 (59:08):
No, But the fact is that France, the UK, Canada
and Australia, countries that we would normally be standing alongside,
are prepared to make this step now. Obviously what's happening
in Gaza is horrific and for a country like New Zealand.
It is respect on the world stage. This is something
meaningful we could do to be ultimately halting the well,

(59:30):
it's actually following through on the long standing policy. Both
David Ceymour and Winston Feeders have said it's a case
of when not, If so, why not do it now?
Obviously there's mechanisms in place, from the Palestinian authority to
the Stabilization Force which the UN has been discussing. I
agree with former Prime Minister Helen Clark. It is humiliating

(59:50):
that we're following behind them and it doesn't look like
we're able to reach a position, and the question is
will even be able to get a consensus position in
the cabinet. That's not clear.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
What I'm confused about, Thomas, is how we have landed
with this being the discussion. I mean, we have children
who are starving in Gaza, who need food, So why
are we discussing the state of Palestine instead of discussing
how on earth we force Israel to feed these people.

Speaker 29 (01:00:15):
Well, I think it's a reasonable discussion to be having
because at some point the hot war will cease and
you know there will be some sort of, if not
an absolute peace, there will be a relenting of military power,
and we have to think what comes next. So it's
perfectly appropriate for us to be having this discussion and
thinking about what institutions can protect the people in Palestine,

(01:00:39):
both in the West Bank and Gaza, because the status
quo that existed before October seventh wasn't sustainable and wasn't
acceptable to anyone. So we need to be thinking about
what comes next. But we also have to keep in
mind that's simply recognizing a Palestinian state, especially if we
can't identify who has their legitimate authority over that state,

(01:01:00):
won't actually help people on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Gareth, do you agree with me that national would be
crazy to roll luxem Now?

Speaker 27 (01:01:07):
Well, it's a hard one.

Speaker 28 (01:01:08):
I mean, look, the measure of the yardstick that lux
and himself has put up is his management of the economy,
and that's clearly not delivering at the moment. You know,
we see factories closing, historic high unemployment since twenty twenty,
you know, tens of thousands of people are out of
work because of the poor economic condition. So yeah, on
his own yard stick, he's not delivering. It's pretty clear

(01:01:29):
he's one of the weaker performances performers when you look
at his personal polling versus the polling of the government,
I think an uncharitable opinion would be that, you know,
keep him on, keep them having the blame until conditions
turn around. There are some other performers within the government
as well, but it's pretty rare at this point in
the electoral cycle to even be considering a change of

(01:01:51):
the Prime minister so soon after the election. That books
the sign of the times, and there's clearly a bit
of momentum and a bit of pressure within the National
Party and outside to raise this question.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Are they really considering it Thomas or I mean, tell
me honestly what you think. Are they really considering it
in the NATS or is this just columnists and viewing
their keyboards.

Speaker 29 (01:02:10):
Well, I don't pretend to understand what's happening on the
inner workings of the National Party. I think it's pretty
unlikely that they'd be taking the knives to him. I
think would be fairly foolish for them to do so,
because even if Luxon is in some sense struggling to
connect with the public at the moment, instability is the
great killer of governments anyway. If people don't believe that

(01:02:32):
there is a team that is working together and Luxon
might not be connecting as well with the voters as
he would like, but he is setting up as ministers
to achieve a lot of things. And I think even
you know, Gareth might not be the kind of person
who is a fan of what the government is doing.
He might think they are enacting policies he doesn't like,
but they are moving at pace on the things they

(01:02:53):
say are important to them. The economic growth has not returned,
but governments have relatively little control about economic growth months
to month, and so they are enacting structural change in
the economy for better or worse.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Guys, it's great to talk to the pair of you.
Thank you so much, Gareth Hughes, Thomas Skrimjar huddle this evening,
it's coming up eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Zeb right zero.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
I've been dying to tell you about this. I'll find
this absolutely fascinating. By the way, it's six away from six.
So Zuru's nappy case is on at the High Court
in Auckland at the moment and it's fascinating for the
insights that it gives you into how the supermarkets work
with their deals with suppliers. So it turns out that Rascals,
by the way, is the Zoru nappy brand. Turns out
Rascals has one of these exclusivity deals with food Stuff.

(01:03:42):
Food Stuffs are the guys who own Pack and Save
a New World and four Square and so on, and
the exclusivity deals and stuff. That's the stuff that's really
winding up the grocery commissioner. And this deal basically says
that Rascals branded nappies would only be on their shelves
only on the food stuff shells. No one else's can't
be supplied to Woolworth's. Will worth is running the Countdowns
and the Wolworths's and the Fresh Choices and the supervalue

(01:04:03):
supermarkets and so on. So that's the first thing, but
that's like an obvious thing in an exclusivity deal. The
second thing, though, is that food Stuff's then also has
a rite of refusal on any new products that Rascals develops.
So they come up with a new product, for the
first one hundred and twenty days, which is about four months,
they have to first give it to food stuff. Food
stuffs can take its time with it, then they can

(01:04:23):
go nah, yeah or whatever, and after that food stuff
doesn't want it, then they can take it to the competitors. Also,
Zuru has a fascinating advertising strategy for how it gets
mums to buy those nappies. It doesn't take out expensive
TV and radio ads. Instead, what it uses as social
media and at geo targets mums on social media. Mums

(01:04:43):
I did not know this. Mums are the most engaged
social media users of everybody, and I think that's probably
because this is new mums by the way, probably because
they're breastfeeding in the middle of the night and board
and so they just scroll on social media. Anyway, what
it does, and this is Zeru, is that can basically
choose a supermarket and then say a food stuff supermarket

(01:05:04):
obviously because that's the one they signed up with, and
then it can say I'm gonna drive I'm gonna drive
sales in that supermarket, and they do it by geo
targeting the mums living around it, and it works and
apparently they're able to turn a few hundred dollars of
spend into tens of thousands of dollars of views on
the social media. Also also, and this is the last
thing that I think is fascinating here. Also, so far,

(01:05:25):
the claim has been that supermarkets, in this relationship between
supermarkets and suppliers, supermarkets are the ones who bully the suppliers.
But this case actually suggests that it's not that. That
is not where the power always lies, because Nick Mobray
of Zuru appears to be the one calling the shots here.
The claim is that he tried to stop Woolworth's stocking Treasures,
which is a competitor nappy brand, and so he called

(01:05:47):
Woolworth's in February two thousand and one and said some
stuff about Treasures. The claim is that as a result
of that phone call, Woolworth's made purchase orders on the
Friday and then canceled them the following Monday. Nick Mobray
does not dispute that he made that phone call and
does not seem to dispute what he said in the
phone call. He stands by everything. So there you go.
How fascinating is that. Next up, we're going to talk

(01:06:08):
to Gareth Ken of Informetrics. Apparently twenty percent of businesses
are making losses, which is actually not that unusual. Despite
the fact that we've been in the greatest recession of
thirty to fifty years. Also, I've been getting a lot
of texts throughout this program asking me what I think
of this young drug dealer who just got sentenced on
home d yesterday. It is a fascinating case, so let's

(01:06:30):
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Brady will do the UK for us. Right now, it's
seven past six. Now economists are a little bit worried
about the number of businesses posting a loss. IID data
from the twenty twenty three tax years showed one in

(01:07:36):
five businesses made a loss. That's one hundred and seven businesses.
One hundred and seven thousand businesses obviously in total. Gareth
Kennan is Infametric's chief forecaster. Hey, Gareth, evening, Heather. Now,
it's a bit of debate about these numbers. Is it
one in five or is it actually one in three?

Speaker 30 (01:07:53):
Well, there's about a third of businesses when you look
at those numbers that record it neither a profit nor
a loss zero and come. So my feelings those were
should probably be taken out of the numbers because it
looks like they're not operational, probably not even you know,
sort of a real business in a sense. So you
probably get a better steer just looking at the numbers
excludingized ones.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
And that takes us to what one in three?

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah, okay, Now tell me you understand this better than
I do. But if we have an increase in the
current loss share from thirty two point three percent to
thirty four point six percent, that doesn't seem that bad.

Speaker 30 (01:08:25):
No, I mean, I was surprised by the sort of
lack of movement and the numbers when you look at
the data over the last seven years, they haven't really
swung around a lot. The changes seem to be pretty marginal.
The other thing that surprised me is the fact that
you know, you are talking a third of businesses that
are making a loss in any given year, and you
would hope that across the economy overall, that things were
a little more profitable when times were going good. But
doesn't seem to be the way the numbers work out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Now, why would it be that it hasn't got given.
I mean, we are talking about having a recession, some
say the worse than thirty years, some say the wors
than fifty years. Whatever it is, it's bag how come
it hasn't gone up more than that?

Speaker 30 (01:08:59):
And look, it may just be a reflection that there's
sort of an uneven distribution across you know, companies making losses.
We don't know how big those losses are, and they
might have been quite previous years and there might be
more loss making going on. So you know, it's a
case of I guess, having to look at some of
the other indicators around how businesses are performing out there
as well and just trying to get a steer on them.
But you know, over the last two years, those numbers

(01:09:19):
at least suggesting there are more businesses making a loss.
So it is consistent with the deterioration and the economy
that we have seen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Is it possible that because this is the twenty twenty
three twenty four tax here, that actually we're not seeing
the ugliest stuff yet.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 30 (01:09:34):
I mean when you look at the numbers and the
way the economy performed, it was kind of flat through
twenty twenty three through that, and so that's still being
captured in the twenty four year, like you say. And
the worst of that recession we know, was through the
middle part of last year, so in the twenty twenty
five tax year, So it could well be that over
the next twelve months or so, as we get more
data through, you do see more of a deterioration and
those figures coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah. Now, we have been spending a lot of time,
because everybody's feeling gloomy in the middle of and tough
and feeling a bit poor, We've been spending a lot
of time just thinking about the economy. What is your
forecast for when we start to feel decent about what's
going on.

Speaker 30 (01:10:08):
Yeah, Look, the one thing that's really holding us back
as far as I'm concerned, is the labor market. You know,
we were hoping that the unemployment rate would peak in
them this year and start to track lower. We've pushed
out the timing on that, but the real concern for
me is when you look at things like job ad
numbers or monthly job figures, they've gone sideways for the
last year or so and there's not really any sign
of an improvement there. And my feeling is that until

(01:10:31):
you start to get that labor market turning around, until
there's an improvement in people's sense of job security and
income security around that, even though interest rates have been
coming down and people of not having to pay as
much on the mortgage, they will still be cautious on
their spending for some time. So it could well be
into late late this year or early twenty twenty six
before that household spending starts to pick up, and of

(01:10:52):
course at that time we should start to see more
spending coming through in provincial areas with the good export
prices that we've had as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Good stuff. Gareth, Thanks for your time, Gareth Kin and
Infirmetric's chief forecaster. It's eleven past six so the Australian
Reserve Bank governor has just been speaking to media because
of course they cut the OCR over there by twenty
five basis points, taking it down to three point six.
And yes, if you've been thinking that the Ossie should
be returning to a more palatable three point five rather

(01:11:18):
than the wonky three point six, the Ossie junos have
been thinking the same.

Speaker 31 (01:11:22):
It was a unanimous decision to cut interest rates by
twenty five basis Was there any discussion for a larger
cut even thirty five basis points to bring it back
to those twenty five basis point increments? A lot of
people have ocd about the art of cycle rate.

Speaker 32 (01:11:35):
Yes, I get a lot of questions about the that
Juliet about the thirty five The answer is no, there
wasn't discussion of a larger rate cut.

Speaker 11 (01:11:42):
It was, as you say, unanimous.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
And on the international economy they reckon the outlook is
not terrible, not great, but not terrible.

Speaker 32 (01:11:49):
The global outrook remains unpredictable, even though it seems that
the risk of all more damaging widespread trade war has
eased a bit. We expect global growth slow over the
red to the year and into twenty twenty six as
impacts from high tariffs and brought a policy uncertainty way
on activity.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Oh yeah, that global growth is slowing into twenty twenty six.
What's happening in twenty twenty six? That's right? Our election
just saying cutting it a bit fine, old national, aren't
they listen? Scumbags Now scumbags has blown up into a
thing that's not a word you're allowed to call people anymore.
I'm going to explain it some stage.

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Heather, is this guy aware of reality? That's Gareth Kennan
of Informetrics. We own a small business. We have absolutely
no security moving forward when not looking to employ whatsoever.
Quarter past six.

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farmer owned, one hundred percent cooperative in the meat industry,

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or certainly that I know of. Anyhow, it is based
out of Inmbicargo, but it's got plants in the North
and South Island. It Isney Zealand's biggest sheep meat exporters.
Silver Fern Farms is our biggest meat processor enterprise. Or
this deal values the enterprise at five hundred and two
million dollars. Now what are they going to do with
their two hundred and fifty million dollars? Or they're going

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to use most of it? It would seem to pay back debt.
They're going to accelerate the capital expenditure program. Some of
it will go to farmer shareholders. Just how much will
be interesting and how it affects their share value will
be interesting as well. The board unanimously endorsed the deal.
Other suitors there were other suitors. Apparently there were three.

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They got down to three. I think I'm reading between
the lines there. I think Silver Fern Farms might have
been close. Of course, that's the other big meat company
in this country. Fifty to fifty joint venture with the
Chinese now bought by Shanghai Mailing a decade ago. And interestingly,
Dawn Meats was understood to have been the underbidder to

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that offer in twenty fifteen sixteen, So we need shareholder
acceptance obviously, Heather. If they don't get it, what are
the options for the Alliance Group then asset sales, site
closures We've already seen Smithfield in Timaru and further cost
cutting initiatives.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
And just to give you some.

Speaker 22 (01:14:41):
Idea about Dawn Meats who they are family owned Irish
company founded in nineteen eighty core An you'll turnover a
five point eight billion compares to one point eight billion
that's New Zealand dollars for the Alliance Group, whose turnover
has been slipping in the past few years. Interestingly, the
final point old mats makers. The Alliance Group has come

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in for a fair bit of flack in recent years
or seasons because as the only one hundred percent farmer
ow meat process and co op, it's been accused of
uncooperative sweetheart deals for largest suppliers and third party traders.
See if you pay if you supply Fonterra, for instance,
Heather or Zesbury, you get the same no matter whether

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your milk or kiwi fruit comes from Northland or Southland.
Not that we grow keywi fruit in Southland just yet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Not yet, not yet. But if we carry on with
this climate change in the coal for long enough, you
will be talk to me about B and Zen. Why
are they feeling so confident?

Speaker 22 (01:15:41):
Ah, well, they've led the charge for their forecast milk
price for the twenty five to twenty sixth season. They've
lifted it seventy five cents to ten dollars twenty five,
remembering Fonterra started with a pretty a pretty bullish forecast
milk price themselves at ten dollars, albeit their midpoint wasn't

(01:16:02):
exactly in the middle because their price forecast range was
from eight to eleven dollars now GEDT last weeks, GDT
will have probably boyed the ben Z a wee bit here. Interestingly,
the futures market's called its heels a wee bit. But
this afternoon, when I last checked, the twenty five twenty

(01:16:22):
six futures market was trading at ten dollars sixteen, down
from ten to twenty three. If we get another ten
dollars payout, hallelujah, praise the Lord, because we're going to
get one for the twenty four to twenty five season.
That will be decided by Fonterra anyhow in September or October.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Brilliant stuff, Jamie, Thank you so much, Jamie McKay, Host
of the Country, nineteen past six.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Heather do for Sea Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I've got a company for my rental, Heather, I've posted
a loss for the last two years. Well, that goes
to explain all those kind of the companies just posting
losses that Gareth was talking about. He couldn't quite explain it.
There's your explanation, now, scumbag. So scumbag has turned into
quite the thing over in the UK. And what's happened.
How it came about is that there's a chap who
runs a shop and he's he's like, he's not a hater,

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he's a bit woky, to be honest with you. So
it's he probably is alarmed at the fact that he
finds himself in the middle of this. But he runs
something like a thrift shop or something like that. He
looks like Gandalf. So Gandalf is running a thrift shop
and he puts up a sign and it says, I
just got to get thee un here we go. Do
you to scumbags shoplifting? Please ask for assistance to open

(01:17:28):
the cabinets. Thank you. Now if I saw that, I
wouldn't think anything. Okay, fair enough, I'll ask for your assistance. Well,
actually police didn't like that. So police came around to
his shop and said, yeah, you need to remove that then,
And he was like why and they said, because he
says it's not illegal to call them scum bags. They
are scumbags, and they said, n it might be offensive
to the shoplifters, so can you remove it? Anyway? This

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is blown up and as you can imagine, and quite rightly,
into a mass of brew haha in the UK, because
the cops in the UK are bonkers, like they are
honestly the weirdest police force ever, the busy doing the
weirdest things like telling people off for riding a bike
without their hands on the handle bars and going around
to former journalists' houses and telling them off for tweets

(01:18:11):
and arresting them over like this is literally what the
cops they are doing. So, as you can imagine, this
has got the cops in a whole lot of trouble
because in the UK they've got a major shoplifting problem,
just like we do. And I think most people over
there would like to see the cops actually turning up
and dealing with shoplifters, not turning up and dealing with
Gandalf and telling him that he's not allowed to call
them scumbags anymore. Bizarre set of priorities from the police. Anyway,

(01:18:34):
it's blown up massively. The Telegraph has written in opinion
piece saying we stand by Gandalf. He's allowed to call
them scumbags. People have gone to the Prime Minister asked
him would you call them scumbags? The whole thing has
just become an entire drummer, which could have been avoided
if the cops just arrested the scumbags and didn't try
to defend the scumbags anyway, Ander Brady will run us
through it when he's with us. Get his take at

(01:18:55):
about quarters to seven, six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all
on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Allen and maz
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions use talks EV.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Heather, please tell New Zealand if you were the finance minister,
what you would do with the current restrictions. Nicola has
oh Man, you asked me my favorite question. Okay, hang on, well,
if we get time before this program is finished, I
will answer that question for you. Twenty four past six.
Now here we go. Here's the story about the drug
drug dealer. So there's a young chap named Rowan Hewitson
who lives in Wellington, nice part of Wellington. Raised in

(01:19:29):
a nice part of Wellington, between his parents' home in
Wilton and in why can I not rough parts of Wellington.
He's been busted for importing up to nearly six million
dollars worth of ketamine and MDMA, most of which arrived
in the country labeled as consignments of baby food and
pain reducing heat belts. He's pleaded guilty. He is now

(01:19:52):
twenty one, but he was eighteen or nineteen at the
time of the offending. He appeared in court yesterday for
his sentencing and the starting point was five years five
months in jail. Hang on, before I tell you what
actually happens, got to first tell you how he got busted.
What he was doing. This kid's clever, what he was
doing was he was having his packages of drugs sent

(01:20:12):
to other people's houses, as you know, like career packages
and stuff. And he arrived at one of the houses
and asked the woman if his package had been wrongly
delivered to her property, and she didn't want to hand
it over because number one, the name on the package
was that of a woman. He was not a woman,
So she's like, is this actually your package? But also
she recognized him because he'd done this before to her
house a number of times. By the looks of things,

(01:20:34):
she's starting to get suspicious. So he was pleading with
her to hand over the package. He then took a pot.
She said no, She took a photograph of him, threatened
to call the cops if he didn't leave. Eventually he
left and then they reported the incident's incident to the police,
and that is how he got busted. Anyway, turns up
in court. Remember five years five months is the starting
point of his jail term. By the time Judge Kelly

(01:20:56):
is finished with him, Judge Kelly has discounted it by
sixty five percent sixty five percent, leaving a substitute of
home d available. Oh wow, don't judges always end up there,
and so he ends up with ten months of home
d and two hundred hours of community work. Now my
question to you is how did he get sixty five

(01:21:16):
percent discount? Because did we not just pass a law
in June that captain at forty percent? What's going on anyway?
Laura's asking, Laura's asking Paul Goldsmith's office right now, and
I'm gonna have an answer for you tomorrow. So is
the rule happening or is the rule not happening? Have
we changed? What's going on? Why is Judge Kelly doing
this to us? Twenty seven past.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Six Keller do for cee Ala.

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Here's your Showbazz News. First there was Stan Walker. Now
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good Luck Babe.

Speaker 9 (01:22:16):
Where does?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
She says she managed to get all four judges to
turn their chairs around. That's a good thing, by the way.
That means they like and want to see her. Judge
Ronan Keating said her performance was like that of a
professional artist. Melcy from The Spice Girl says she was
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Speaker 13 (01:22:40):
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Just that.

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Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour
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Speaker 22 (01:23:18):
Five.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Let me tell you where this is how efficient? Paul
Goldsmith's officers. Young Jack, who works there, has already come
back to us with an answer on why the discount
was at sixty five percent Because while the law yes
has already kicked in, the law only applies to crimes
that are committed after the law kicked in. So from
now on, from crimes committed from June onwards, that's a

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forty percent cap. But if you've already got a crime
in the bank, and yeah, you're going to appear before
Judge Kelly for a crime you already did before June,
you're in luck. Judge Kelly might give you a massive
discount sixty sixty five percent, seventy five percent, why not
twenty four away?

Speaker 14 (01:23:56):
Out now. Not to undercut what Jack did, but we
said to Laura before can you go get us that
full poll? And boom, there's the poll. Look, we said
to her, can you go get Jackson? Can you go
to Jack and Paul to tell us about the Senate singtion?
Well she go, excuse it, Laura, can you go get
us the Epstein files.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
And this is a good call.

Speaker 14 (01:24:12):
Let's if we can raise the bar bit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah, just flying out really quickly. She'll be back in
a minute with it. Twenty three away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Heather Duplicy Ellen So, Spark has.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Sold seventy five percent of its data center business to
Ossie firm Pacific Equity Partners. PEP is paying four hundred
and eighty six million dollars for this, along with another
eight ninety eight million dollars if performance targets are hit
by the end of twenty twenty seven. Greg Smith is
the head of retail for Devon Funds and with us.

Speaker 21 (01:24:35):
Hey, Greg, Hey, good evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
This is the high end of what we were expecting a.

Speaker 21 (01:24:41):
Incertainly is I mean, it's thirty point eight times for
you twenty five earnings.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
So that's a pretty good price.

Speaker 21 (01:24:47):
And I just I suppose it reflects the demand, yeah,
for these sort of assets. So look, it had been
well flagged that this divestment was being considered, and it
was sort of really something that Spark had to do.
There'd been a lot of focus on their debt levels,
on protecting the dividend, and the reality is building up
these data center is expensive, so they're going to need

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to spend a billion dollars on the data center roll out.
So it's a good outcome, it's a good price. They
can pay down some debt, they can keep some skin
in the game, and of course they're getting in this
out of the way before the four year results next week.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Yeah, and they're obviously using some of the money to
pay the dividends. Should they be paying dividends at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Though, Yeah, And I mean that's been the question.

Speaker 21 (01:25:28):
So you know, they've effected been paying dividends that they
actually can't really afford to. So this is going to
change things a bit. You know, this business is being
sort of separate into a new standalone company. So we
are expecting, with the sort of clarity that we've got now,
some sort of dividend cut next week. So the current
divin to give you an idea, is around about twenty

(01:25:49):
five cents per share. That's expected to go down to
around eighteen the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
Current share price. That's still a pretty good yield.

Speaker 21 (01:25:55):
Yeah, six to sort of seven percent. So obviously investors
haven't liked the result today today will the announcement today
so much? She is down two and a half percent.
But I think, you know, it is sort of that
fact that now we are going to be facing a
cut in the dividend announced next week, and the question
will be whether it's the final dividend or the dividend
for the sort of the forthcoming year. We know the

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pressure that Spark has been under. Business spend has been
under the pump given the economy, Government spending has been pressurized.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
So I think what'd be really.

Speaker 21 (01:26:24):
Interesting as well is whether there's any sort of green
shoots in that outlook. And yeah, I suppose that's what
investors will perhaps be clinging to.

Speaker 8 (01:26:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
There's been a fair bit of talk about the leadership
on board leadership, executive c suite leadership as well. What
do you reckon is going to change here?

Speaker 21 (01:26:41):
Well, I think for the moment that's probably you know,
I think the benefit of the doubt is going to
be given to the current current leadership. But yeah, sparks problems,
you know, are a lot of it's been about it
out of its control when you look at what the
economy has been heavily pressurized. So there's certainly not a
lot there. There have been some questions over you know,

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what they're going to be doing with various assets. We
now have some certainty there around the data centers, so
I think there will be an element of benefit of
the doubt, And yeah, what invests are really looking for
some sort of signs that things can turn around. I think,
you know, for a long time, your sparks sort of
been out of its depth in terms of you know,
I suppose the checks has.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Sort of been going one way. Now you know that
obviously now got.

Speaker 21 (01:27:26):
That going the other way. This data center. So so
it's going to pay down debt, it's going to make
the balance sheet in this in better shape. That's going
to be good in terms of the credit rating. Agencies
are going to maintain that a minus rating. They're going
to say, protect the dividend to an extent all that
it's probably coming down, And I think there will be
some benefit of the doubt given for the company to
sort of get through and hopefully have a better sort

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of six to twelve months ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Brilliant stuff. I really appreciate it. Appreciate your expertise, he agreed.
That's Greg Smith, Devin Fund's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Head of retail, Heather du for cl.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Yeah, here's my favorite thing to do. We're going to
respond to all of the texts, like the text from
Gary saying what would you do if you're the Minister
of Finance. Well, first of all, I'm not the Minister
of Finance, and you should be grateful for that because
I have no idea what I'm talking about. But you
can't be criticizing the Minister of Finance and giving her
a hard time unless you have some idea of what
you think she should be doing. And I frankly think
she should be cutting the corporate tax. Once again, I'm

(01:28:20):
telling you, I'm no idea what I'm talking about, as
a lot of the Minister of Finance am I. But
I will point to the fact that the head of
the Chamber of Commerce and Auckland, Simon Bridges, has also
just called for the same thing, a cut in the
corporate tax rate. Now I don't know I mean, there's
a lot of it seems to me what we want
to do is we want to get money into this country,
don't we want foreign investment in this country. But we

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don't just want random foreign investment that people just come
and park millions or billions here, just put it in
the bank. That's no value to us. You actually want
them investing in building, right and spending. And so what's
the easiest way to bring foreign investment into the country
is to cut the corporate tax rate. So then you
cut the corporate tax rate. It's going to do that.
The downside of cutting the corporate tax rate, obviously, is
that you're immediately in order for the long term gain

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with all those tax that all that tax going into
the government's coffers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Long term.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
Short term, you lose out right because you were raking
in twenty eight percent from the banks and now you
cut it down. Now you're only raking a nineteen percent.
This material difference. I don't know how you get around that.
Maybe you stagger it, Maybe you do something clever. You
go new businesses, you come in at nineteen percent, everybody
else you're at twenty eight percent. It will stagger you
down for the next ten years and it will drop off.

(01:29:28):
Maybe you drop everybody down, you put a banking levy on.
I don't know. There's a number of ways you could
skin that cat, but that is what I would be doing,
or something equally bold, because I think if we're in
the position that we're in right now, surely what we
need to be doing is something bold, isn't it. So anyway, Gary,
thanks for the opportunity. There you go. Now there is
a prediction I'm sad to say that the convertible is dead,

(01:29:49):
and this is coming from motoring people over in the
UK who've looked at the sales of convertibles and the
number of convertibles on offer from various motoring brands go
it looks like the thing is dying a death. There
are not as many available to buy. This is just
out of the UK right so it's not clear whether
this is also happening in New Zealand, but probably not

(01:30:10):
as many available to buy. The number of drop top
models available to buy in the UK has fallen by
forty five percent just in the last five years, basically halved.
Sales have declined dramatically in the eighteen years between two
thousand and four and twenty twenty two they had an
eighty three percent drop in the number of convertible cars
that were sold. They back in two thousand and four
about ninety four thousand cars sold, twenty twenty two only

(01:30:34):
sixteen thousand. That's a massive drop off. They've pointed out
that our de lexis Smart, Jaguar, Nissan, Pergo, Reno, Toyota, Vauxel,
and Volvo no longer offer any convertibles for sale, none
at all. They used to, they do owned anymore now.
The reason for this is probably they think because we've
all moved into SUVs. Back in the day, it was
Diana driving around in a convertible. Then we all wanted

(01:30:55):
a convertible. But now you see all the celebs like
the Kardashians and stuff driving around a gigantic Blackie, and
now we want those instead. So SUVs are the new
glam car to have. Also, you don't need to drop
top if you've got a sun roof or one of
those really like long, full length glass roof things that
you often get in the in the suv. Our SUV's
got one of those. I think I don't look up
that often, but I think so. So then you don't

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need a convertible. Also, electric cars are a problem. They're
expensive to make, so if you're playing a lot of
money into electric cars, then you don't want to sell
stuff that's not very profitable. So anything that's slightly less profitable,
like convertibles, are dumped. And that's a pity, isn't it,
Because there is nothing as fun if you've been in
a convertible in summer. There's nothing as fun as driving

(01:31:37):
around in the sun, is there? Sixteen away from seven?

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
If it's to do.

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Talks, that'd be Oh you want to see the latest
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through that. Thirteen away from seven, end of Brady UK
correspondence with US.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Hello Ender, Hey Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
I'm very well? Thank you. How you enjoying having JD Vansentown?

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Well, that's very interesting the security detail this man brings
with him. So he's in one of the most rural
parts of England, the Cotswolds. He's staying at dean Manor,
which is basically a golf balls drive away from David
Cameron's house. You could hit Dean Manor from Cameron's backyard.
I reckon with a wedge, that's how close he is

(01:32:28):
to the Camerons. It's so quiet over there, there's nothing
to do. It's farmland that I don't think he'd even
find a pub open most days. It is really really
remote and rural. And yet he's gone for lunch and
his security detail took twenty vehicles. That was the size
of the convoy. I've seen the pictures I've heard from locals.

(01:32:50):
Twenty vehicle convoy for one man, one woman, and three
children to go for lunch. Now, clearly he's vice president
of the United States, but I don't think that would
be going down well with the local population. It's mostly
farmland and tractors and small lanes. And we're seeing American
Secret Service agents pop up in the middle of nowhere,

(01:33:11):
and people are spotting them a mile away because we're
in the middle of a heat wave here, and these
guys are wearing suits.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
You're really blending. And now what do you make of
this chep who wanted to call the shoplift of scumbags
and got told off by the coppers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
I one hundred percent applaud this man and I would
not be removing my signs from my shop. We're in
the middle of never mind a heat wave. We've had
a shoplifting epidemic here for years and if you go
on social media you are type in London or any
town in the UK and shoplifting. You will see people
walking into business premises with huge rucksacks, wearing ballet lavas

(01:33:46):
and clearing the shelves and they go for the good stuff,
the expensive stuff, everything that can be sold on quickly.
I just find it reprehensible that these people are getting
away with this. One man has fought back in a
tiny little shopkeeper in Wrexham, and what he's done is
he's put a sign up. He sells vintage clothing and
a lot of the good stuff. He's put behind cabinets

(01:34:08):
and he's put a little sign up saying owing to
scumbags shoplifting, please ask for the key if you want
to inspect these items. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he
put on his sign. He got a visit from the
police saying that his sign may cause offense. It gets
even worse there was a lady in Kent who had
a visit from the police this week. She decided to
go to her CCTV capture some images of the shoplifters

(01:34:32):
and plaster them around her shop, and she had a
visit from the police saying that she was breaching their privacy.
Can you believe?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
So what is going on with your police that dayad
doing all these weird things?

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
You never see them. First of all, I can tell
you now, if I rang instead I've just been burgled,
you might get a cop round here in a week. However,
if I rang and reported a certain type of crime,
or indeed, if I said, yeah, I've been burgled, but
you know what I've got and I'm sitting on him
right now and I'll deal with this, you'd have a
cop round in five minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Yeah, okay. Now, this pilot who was found drunk in
the hotel and naked. Was he in his own room
or was he outside?

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
He was everywhere roaming the hotel as if he owned us.
The problem being that he was completely naked and very
very drunk. And this was spotted by passengers who had
flown with his airline a few days previously, and he
was due to fly a group basically a plane full
of people back from the Cape Verde Islands off West Africa.

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He was due to fly them four thousand, three hundred
kilometers back to London Gatwick thirty six hours later. So
he was quite rightly apprehended. He was reported and now
easy Jet have suspended him pending an investigation. But one
would imagine that is the end of his career as
a pilot. Apparently he just started drinking from the minute

(01:35:56):
they got to the hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Okay, and as you do, hey, Inda, thanks very much,
appreciate it. Into Brady UK correspondent Heather. The number one
brand for convertibles is Mazda, who have committed to the
MX five, So go to Masda if you want fun,
open top driving ideas. Thank you, Tim nine away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
The MX five is a girls car. I know it's
a girls car, Simon, but I'm a girl. It's just
all be a surprise to you so I can. Actually
I wouldn't drive it because I drive a Jeep. Because
I do have a convertible. It's not really a convertible, though,
is it. It's a drop top. It's like a soft
top jeep. So it's just a bloody hassle to get that.
When you take the roof off my jeep at the
start of summer, you don't put it back on you

(01:36:43):
you just check out on the car port, because that's
just I don't know if you've ever tried to put
a jeep Brangler's roof back on the old because I
don't drive a new one as well, like it's twenty
something years old, twenty years old or something like that.
You can take a finger off when you're trying to
put that roof back on, so it just stays off
all summer and then it goes back on in the winter.
But anyway, the point of the story is that I
probably shouldn't have been born a girl. I'm obviously something

(01:37:05):
I like to think. I'm a guiver, so I wouldn't
be in an m X five, So thank you, Simon. Okay.
So Tofino Uppernui is the East Coast Ewe who have
been caught in a little bit of a thing with
the government because they they were almost there with their
treaty settlements and then remember the government they wanted. They
wanted a little special clause in their treaty settlement whereby
the government would admit that they never seated sovereignties to

(01:37:26):
the crown. And then the government came out and we're like,
we're not going to do that anymore because you did,
or for all intents and purposes you now have to
so blah blah whatever. So as a result of this,
East Coast EWE Tofanoa Upnui has decided that it will
now by the looks of things, just basically pump the
brakes on the treaty settlement and they'll go no further.

(01:37:48):
Tepati Mai co leader and to Finnuik spokesperson that are
w e y t t said the issue. Did you
see the problem there? It didn't really matter what he
says after that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
How is how is? How is it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Awy the spokesperson for the EWE but also the spokesperson
for the Maori party, and can they not see that?
If that is the case, then we're all just going
to look at that and go, oh, that's political, so
that's why you're doing that. It immediately undermines it, doesn't
it anyway? Good luck to him has it and mesa,
I've got happy news for you. Are not breaking up
with Netflix. They have, in fact, just renegotiated the terms

(01:38:22):
of the deal. They've signed another deal with Netflix. It's
a multi year first look deal, so Netflix can look
at their stuff and go first writ of refusal. Basically
can look at it, go yeah, we'd love to broadcast that,
or for the most part, I would imagine no, because
with Love Megan the cookery show has got four point
three million views and that's not a lot for Netflix.
That doesn't even put it in Netflix's top three hundred

(01:38:43):
most popular shows Top three hundred most popular shows for
the first half of this year five point three million,
compared to Adolescents, which has one hundred and forty five million.
So anyway, there you go, AND's.

Speaker 14 (01:38:55):
Banquet by a block party to play us out tonight.
Why are we playing block party either because.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
The concert clubs, three middle aged women are going to
block party tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
That's right.

Speaker 14 (01:39:03):
If you were on the fence about going to block
party at Spark Arena in Auckland hither and the concert
club will all be there. It's you know, it's going
to be a good time. And apparently The show in
christ Church on Sunday night reviewed very well. I'm looking
at one that's gave it four stars out of five.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Yeah, it would be a good one.

Speaker 11 (01:39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Now, as am I a little bit cooler than you
thought I was? When you know I'm going to block party?

Speaker 14 (01:39:21):
No, I well no, because we are. Your favorite band
is Boy and Bear, So we know that you're into
stuff that's off the beaten track. Sometimes that's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
I take that as a compliment from ends. I'm Chuck.
I'll tell you what they're like tomorrow. Enjoy your evenings.

Speaker 22 (01:39:33):
This me.

Speaker 17 (01:40:13):
Here, here, here here

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
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