Full Show Podcast: 12 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duper Clan Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today. It sounds like
the US is getting cold feet over August. We're going
to go to Ossie get their take on it. Water
bills in the Capitol could soon be fifty dollars a week.
Speak to counselor Tim Brown and what made those wall
carpets suddenly affordable for cying order?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Heather dupericy Ellen's So, I think.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
The UN is wrong. The UN has released a report
today on the world's for falling birth rates and they've
blamed it on money. They reckon that the global fertility crisis,
as they're calling it, we're not having enough kids basically
to replace ourselves, is not because we don't want to
have kids or sorry, it's not because we can't have
kids because we've got a fertility problem. It's because we're
choosing not to have kids because we simply cannot afford

(00:59):
to have kids. Now, well, this is their theory. I
think that theory is wrong because I don't think money
is the problem. I think the problem is women are
just too busy nowadays. The reason I don't think money
is the problem is a bunch of examples that are
given by Professor Paul Spoonley, who's a bit of a
guru on this kind of thing. He points to Hungary
in twenty nineteen, they tried to lift their birth rate

(01:19):
by saying to couples that if couples had four or
more kids, they wouldn't have to pay any income tax
at all. It didn't lift the birth rate. It didn't work.
Sweden another example. Sweden is ridiculous and how much help
it gives parents, right, They make it so easy for
people to have kids in Sweden. They have hugely generous childcare,
they have generous maternity and paternity leave, everything you could
probably need, possibly need to make the journey as easy

(01:42):
for yourself as possible. Sweden's birth rate is basically the
same as ours. So that tells you it's not the money.
It is not the financial help that's the difference. And
actually think about it, even in your own life. How
many rich couples do you know who have maybe one,
maybe no kids, and then how many poor couples do
you know? Who've got apes a sprogs. How do you
explain that. I think it's because professional women and nowadays

(02:05):
just too busy to have kids or to have many kids,
because it is hard to be a working mum. And
I'm not saying this is a complaint. I love being
a mum and I love being a mum who gets
to go to work as well. But it is full on.
You don't get a breakout. You're up in the morning,
crack a door, and they got you up. They need
something to eat, shoving food in their faces, trying to
get them to do their wee wieze, putting their clothes on,

(02:26):
packing their lunch off, they go to kender. You got
them started on their day. What happens you get to
put feet up after that shimozzle that's just gone on
for the last two to three hours. No, you're straight
into the office to start doing your busy thing, which
is going to work. Then after a full day of
work and you're naked your home and then it's straight
into having a bath, getting the dinner, into them, reading
the book, getting them to bed. By the end of that,

(02:48):
by now twelve hours stretch shit you've just done. You're
completely shattered as a working mum. What do you gotta
do Now? You got to fold the washing. Now, you've
got to get as many chores done as possible as
the house doesn't look like a pig star. And maybe
in there you'll get half an hour to watch Ship's
Creek if you're lucky. It's not about financial poverty for mums,
it's about time poverty, and I suspect this will never

(03:11):
change as long as working mums are working mums.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Heather Dooper Cela nine two nine two.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
I would love to hear your experience, if you've got
a different one, or if that is your experience, as
well as standard text fees apply obviously. Now listen, let's
talk about rubbish, okay, kere We households are wasting about
fifteen hundred dollars worth of food every single year. This
is according to a new report by the ends at Ier.
And it's not just food that we're wasting. New Zealand
is amongst the highest producers of general waste in the OECD,

(03:38):
and we also have some of the lowest material productivity
in the world. In other words, we're just basically producing
lots and doing very little with it. Nick quilty is
the CEO of Wasteman's.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Hey Nick, Hi, Hi, here the how are you?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I'm very well, thank Here's a lot of waste day.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Look it is, and we're just spending so much more
on rubbish than we're used to. It's a real problem
in New Zealand. I mean we don't know we know
what local authorities how it's affecting them so to spend
on their waste and refuse services grew forty five to
forty seven percent between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three,

(04:13):
So in twenty twenty three they spent six hundred and
twenty nine million, So yeah, it's not good. And then
you look at illegal dumping. I'm not sure if you
I'm not sure where you live, but if you drive
around Auckland, it's a real problem. And if you look
at Auckland Council, it's costing rap plays two point six
million annually, and for other councils around the country the
cost ranges from one hundred and twenty thousand to two

(04:34):
hundred and fifty thousand a year.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
What should we do with this stuff? What should we
do about it?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Oh? Look, I think illegal dumping, I mean obviously the
councils are doing as much as they possibly can. They're
finding people. But I think a lot of people are
legally dump because they don't know what else to do
with their rubbish, or they've just got too much of it.
But which is rather that people actually did the right thing,
took them to you know, secondhand shops, put them out

(04:59):
of appropriate receptacles that go out on curb side.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, but what do we do? But what do we
do about it as a society? Because I feel like
the problem isn't so much where well it was obviously
that is a problem we're put in the rubbish, but
just the fact that we throw so we just have
a culture. It's just in our minds. Isn't it just
to throw things away?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
I think I think the biggest problem is we don't
treat waste as a resource and it's actually a resource.
So actually when you buy something, think about how long
you're going to use it for? Is it good, good quality?
Is it going to end up in landfall? Because we
don't want these things end to govern landfall. We want
them to continually remain in our economy for as long

(05:37):
as possible, before and before they're disposed of. If at all.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
But how do you do that, Nick, Because okay, let's
just say, let me think of an example at my house. Okay,
so we've got I don't know, let's say a cot
or something, and we don't want this colt anymore. I
have tried. This is an actual example. I had a
cot and I tried to take it a cot mattress
and I try to take it to the I try
to put it out on the Facebook page. Whoever wants

(06:02):
it can have it. I tried to take it down
to the local charity. They didn't want it. In the end,
it went into landfall. I mean, how do you get
around the stuff?

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Readable?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can?

Speaker 6 (06:10):
I wonder if I wonder if you're.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
I'm just making some assumptions here, but I don't know
why someone wouldn't want your court. The only reason they
might not want it is maybe it was maybe it
was painted with lead painted base and you know.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
It was just a mattress. It was just the mattress.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Oh, just the mattress. Oh I see, yeah, yeah. Look,
it is a real problem. And I think part of
it is that we are just a society that is
a consumer of society, and we don't treat the we
don't treat goods with the respect that they deserve. And
so where we are a throwaway society, and there is
a certain portion of us as people that want to

(06:50):
do the right thing. And if we know how to
do the right thing, and we can go onto a
council website and put mattress, how do I get how
do I dispose of this? How do I reciteal this?

Speaker 7 (06:58):
What do I do?

Speaker 5 (06:59):
That's thing? But then you get a proportion of the
society that won't do that, and we'll just dump it somewhere.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
So maybe for those I mean, you know, the people
who are going to go do fly tipping, I mean
I think they are absolutely morons and we should just
write them off. There are always going to be people
like that in the world. But for the rest of
us who want to do the right thing, I feel
like the problem, I feel like the obstacle here is
that it's just not simple, and eventually you try a
few times and then you give up, and then you
just never try again because you think, Jez, that was
far too hard. So almost we need a structure there

(07:27):
where there's a system, right.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Yeah, well, look, we need consistency throughout the country and
we need more infrastructure so that we can actually recycle
and recover our goods in New Zealand instead of having
to send things overseas. That's one of our biggest problems.
And what we would like to see is we would
like to see clear national direction from government from government
on what infrastructure they would like to see and where

(07:52):
it should be. And we would like to see prioritization
of the waste industry from the government. And we would
love to also see and buy minister within cabinet instead
of outside cabinet, because we just don't think they have
enough sway and influence being outside cabinet.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Nick, thank you so much, really appreciate your time. That's
Nick Quilty, the CEO of Wasteman's nailed it. Heather read
the working mums. Don't get us started on what the
hell we do when they start school? What do we
do when they start school? What do we do when
they start school? How's that?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well?

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I don't know who does the homework with them, by
the way, because it's not the working mummers and mum's working.
Isn't it? Good speech?

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Heather.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
We've only had two kids. The first was such an angel.
He's why we had the second, and then the second
was the reason we didn't have any more. Was it
the combo of the two, because if you're having to
bath two. My friend said to me before I had
my second one, she was like, listen, don't worry about it.
One is like, when you're operating with one, you're already
that's one hundred percent of work. Right when you add
a second one, and it's not like it becomes two

(08:48):
hundred percent, it's just one hundred and ten percent. Because
you're you're already having to bath one, you just bath
another one with them Anyway, I don't know. It's just
a lot of work, isn't it. Full sixteen.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
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Speaker 4 (09:06):
I'm never having kids, not due to time or money,
just selfish. I want to travel when I like where
I like. I want to dine out when I like
where I like. I want to focus on my career.
No fun dealing with toilet training and school teacher night.
Suck it up, parents, note, Steve your prerogative entirely. Mate.
You don't want it, you don't have to, And I
appreciate that you're onto it already. Darcy water gravers with
me now right now, Dowzy.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
My only suggestion there is come up with a couple
of really good retorts because people won't stop asking you
about when you're going to have kids?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Oh yeah, because now, well, people don't ask dudes that.
We just ask the girls that because you don't have
you don't have a clock. Do you you can have
children until the day you die? Did you know that?

Speaker 8 (09:46):
No?

Speaker 9 (09:47):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Oh you've had the yeah, yeh ikare too much information? Right,
let's talk about run it then. It's always awkward when
you talk about vaseectomies, isn't it anyway? So run At
New Zealand has moved to Dubai, has it?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (09:59):
It has turndred thousand bucks for the winner. So it's
gone from walking into the Middle East because everyone's freaked
out over here about it. Ah, you can't do it.
It's okay, let's go. So they're pulling. It's gone, and
it's date's not confirmed coming up next month and do buy.
But they're flying everyone over there.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
How many people?

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Are eight competitors there and there's the first prize of
a couple hundred k second prize of fifty thousand bucks.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
What's the who's paying them to take to Dubai? Hmm what?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
Do some digging. Who do you expect they want it
over there?

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I want it?

Speaker 8 (10:38):
I don't know. But the fact there's been eighty two
million views on social media since it's started the sound
of the year. Maybe it's just another way of saying,
you know, it's pretty odd to sport wash that one.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Will go for their lives and if they're into it
and if they want to go for it.

Speaker 8 (10:58):
But I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like a
blood sport and I really appreciate that. I don't know
what the drivers behind that, except they don't want it.
Hear it sounds like they don't want an Australia either.
So off we.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Go other side of the world. I can now overnight
we've got the US open.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yes we have it gets underway at Oakmont.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
And how do we think the Fox is going to do.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
Seventeen bucks bit responsibly to finish in the top five?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Okay, that's not bad.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
I don't know anyone's going to get through this. I've
got a couple of quotes for you about how difficult
it is. Sam Snead, one of the greats to ever
play the game, said he put a coin down to
mark a spot on the green and the coin slid
off the greens.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
That's that bad.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
They're so so hard. Arnold Palmers said, to get hurt
all seventy two greens and regulation and still won't comany
not even close to victory.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
It's that tough.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's nasty.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
And it's not only the rough which strangles the clubhead
when you're trying to out of it, so it basically
goes square if you get it wrong. But the greens
are glass, so there's no relief. There's some skinny fairways.
You just cannot relax at any stage. So Cheffler's favorite,
but who knows. Fox of the Ryan variety and nine

(12:18):
consecutive cuts in majors. He's third on the list at
the moment, behind Shuffley and Cheffler.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
So good.

Speaker 8 (12:26):
We will see. He's tired. He's had a lot going
on in the last three or four weeks, but he
seems to perform really well under stress and juress, so
maybe it's his time to shine. But your accuracy and
intent on the green bit not too much.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Hey, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. Darce. Okay,
we'll seek you bringing the opposite energy that you normally bring.
Right now, Darcy will be back at seven for sports Talk.
And we're too relaxed, Darcy water Grave.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
For getting the facts discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
They'd be five twenty five. As I said at the
very start of the program, the US is reviewing the
orcust security pack between itself and the UK and Australia,
and generally, you know, we're all going to jump to
the conclusion that reviewing just means is the first step
before canning it, which is a possibility here, which would
suck for Australia because Australia. Remember the big thing for

(13:24):
Australia is they have to buy the submarines to be
part of this pact, and that's about four hundred billion dollars.
It's a huge amount of money they've got to sink
into it. They've already paid the deposit of five hundred million.
So is this the start of the end of UCAST
or is Trump using it to put pressure on the
Australians to lift their defense spending. We'll find out. We're
going to talk to the Lowy Institute about it after

(13:45):
five o'clock. Very happy to report, by the way, that
the world's most recent and devastating, high profile breakup appears
to be on the mend. Is another twist in it.
Elon has said he's sorry. Elon is sorry. Know is
good because sorry seems to be the hardest word. He's
admitted he's gone too far with the personal attacks. Donald

(14:07):
is happy with this. Donald says he's feeling good about it.
He says, I thought it was very nice that he
did that. Trump spokesperson Carolyn Livett is also very happy when.

Speaker 10 (14:16):
President acknowledged the statement that Elon put out this morning,
and he is appreciative of it.

Speaker 11 (14:22):
And we are continuing to focus on the business of
the American people.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
So that's nice, isn't it. Have you got that song ans?

Speaker 12 (14:28):
By the way, fair it's a sad, sad sitution.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
I'm so happy for them. Are you happy? We're all happy?
Now we can put this, do you know? And they
say women are emotional, don't they? They say, oh, women
shouldn't run businesses and countries because they can't keep their
emotions in check. Well exhibit A. Anyway, listen the Taxpayer's
Union Cole. You would have seen that come out today
in more sad news. Labor is the biggest party in it.

(15:04):
It's sad because Labor sucks so badly at the moment.
I can't believe they're the biggest party. But what does
that tell you about how much National sucks that Labor
is the biggest party? So anyway, National is down to
thirty three point five, down one point one, Labour's up
to thirty four point eight, up one point six, Act
nine point one, Greens eight point two, New Zealand first

(15:25):
six point one, and so on. Headlines neast.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand, let's get connected news talks that'd be I
can hear.

Speaker 10 (15:55):
You were my head, my bere, I'm dreaming.

Speaker 13 (15:59):
You're driving.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Aliston. Nikola Willis is told off the Reserve Bank about
the way they kept that secret about Adrian for two
months to three months three months April May June, three months,
almost one hundred days. Is ridiculous. Anyway, we'll talk to
Thomas Coglan about that in ten minutes time. I can't
believe this, but apparently water in Wellington is going to

(16:24):
cost fifty bucks a week this year. These people are
in Wellington are going to be paying fifty bucks a
week for their water. I mean, how much do you
pay beety for your water in Auckland? Is it fifty
bucks a month? Fifty bucks a month is what? Look,
she doesn't wash every day every other day and that's
a big that's a big thing to consider. But that
is a like these guys in Wellington are basically paying

(16:46):
four times what Laura is paying in west Auckland. She
does shower every day. She wants to clarify. Jeez, i'd hope.
So anyway, I don't quite understand how this has happening
to Wellington. And apparently it's going to get a lot
worse than this. It's going to be something like three times.
That's about one hundred and fifty bucks almost almost in

(17:06):
around about eight years time. One hundred and fifty bucks
a week. That's ridiculous. So we'll talk to Tim Brown,
who is the one of the counselors in Wellington. He'll
be of us after five o'clock, Heather. If Elon was
a woman, he wouldn't admit his fault and say he
was sorry. Now you know that's not true. He would
if he was a woman, he would say he was sorry,

(17:26):
but he would make you sit down and talk him
through the issue for around about two weeks where he
would bring and then after that, even though he said
he was sorry, he would probably remind you of it
for the next three years, that's what But he would
still say he was sorry through clinched teeth. Twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's the world wires on newstalgs. He'd be drive now.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
The US has partially evacuated its embassy in Bagdad, and
it's encouraging Americans to leave the region. There have been
reports that Israel is ready for an attack on Iran.
Here's the BBC's North America correspondent Jae Kwon.

Speaker 14 (17:58):
The Uranian defends mister had said today that if you
around were to be attacked, it will retaliate by targeting
the US basis in the region.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
The Pentagon is doing a review of the Orchest dealers.
We've told you the US government wants to be sure
that the deal fits in with President Trump's America First agenda.
Australian Defense Minister Richard Miles says, nothing to worry about.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
We've known about the review for some time.

Speaker 15 (18:23):
We welcome it and we will engage with it. It's
a very natural step for the incoming administration to take.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
More with Murrayold's on that shortly and finally, police in
South Carolina have engaged in an hour long low speed chase.
So what happened is a suspected burglar trying to steal
a digger from a construction site. Now, as you know,
diggers don't go fast, top speed of four point eight
k's per hour, so it didn't take very long for

(18:53):
the cops to catch up to the digger. Then the
police cars followed it until it got stuck crossing a fairground,
and then the burglar was arrested, and then the burglar
was charged.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Murray Old Alzie corresponding with US now.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Mas, very good afternoon, Heather. So what is going on
with Orcus Well, according to the Defense Minister Richard Marley,
just played that grab. Nothing to see here, he says
Joe Hockey, who of course is a for a former
Liberal Treasurer under Tony Abbott, also a former American Australian

(19:33):
ambassador to the United States. He said, listen, nothing to
see here. Australia should keep going with the orcust plan.
Scott Morrison signed the deal, of course, and snubbed the
French and doing so. But a lot of people in
this country now are saying, for God's sake, grab this
opportunity to run one hundred miles an hour away from Orcus.

(19:54):
If we ever get submarines, will have paid four hundred
million dollars for technology that's going to be out of
date before they even hit the water. And that's the
big concern. I mean. At the same time, I mean
Pete has get that, you know, award winning Buffet's in
charge of American defense spending. He said the other day Australia,
lift your jet. You know you're spending on defense to

(20:17):
three and a half percent of GDP. That's a whole
percentage point above what it is now. And I mean, rightly,
I think most Australians would say, Anthony Albaneze, you got
it right. He's an ang On a second sport will
decide what we spend money on for our own defense. Now,
you know, let's be quite frank without the United States,
Australia is sitting here like a pluck chicken. There's nothing

(20:39):
between us. And you know, if President she wants to
come down the turn butke and so I quite like Darwin,
I'll I'll have Darwin. Well he's going to stop him. Yeah,
But the fact of the matter is Australia can't afford
to spend any more money. And we can't afford to
spend four hundred billion dollars in today's dollars on submarine.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
No, yeah, well you can't afford to buy those submarines.
That's ridiculous. But of course you can afford to spend
more on defense, and frankly, you may just have to,
like we may just have to. But isn't that what
this is really about, muss Isn't this is this review
just designed to actually put pressure on you guys to
lift your spending.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Quite possibly, Yes, indeed, and maybe there's a quid pro
quote to be had here, That's what other people are
saying here. What about the United States crude American nuclear submarines?
What about if they rotate through Australian waters Earth, Sydney,
up in Brisbane, Melbourne and so on. I mean, Australia
has no capacity to crewe these subs. We haven't got

(21:35):
the sub mariners to do that, you know, the obsolete
old subs we've got. Now it's just pie in the sky.
So maybe this is a chance to scrap the submarine
deal spend more money on more relevant defense. I mean,
have a look what Ukraine's doing with drones. For goodness sake.
Does Australia invest in iron dome technology for ports like Darwin?
That could be a jumping off point for US forces

(21:58):
to go and take on the are the Chinese. There's
a million ways to spend money. Is the current expenditure
worthwhile in the long term? I hope that's what is
going to come out of this.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, yeah, fair point. Okay, Now, how did it go
down with you guys? The sanctioning of those couple of
Israeli ministers.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well there's been muted. You know, I haven't heard the
opposition saying, oh it's dreadful and the government's very forthright.
Penny Wong said, these guys, these two ministers are the
most extreme I'm quoting out the most extreme proponents of
the unlawful and violent expansion of Israeli settlements. The Israeli
ambassador is not impressed. I mean, that's fair enough. But

(22:36):
Australia says, listen, these two ministers, and I was not
aware of this, but they recently joined a group marching
through the Muslim quarter of Jerusalem chanting death to Arabs. Well,
that's the way the Israeli government wants the conduct itself.
These two fellas deserve to have sanctions apply applied against them.
I mean, we are in good company New Zealand, Canada,
I think Great Britain and Norway have all signed this.

(22:57):
As long as Australia is on its own two people,
I mean, is it What does it say to the
rest of the world of these two ministers, these hard
right ministers in the Israeli government that net Nio has
stitched together because he can't form one of his own,
he has to have this coalition. What does it say
if the world turns a blind eye to what these.

Speaker 16 (23:15):
Halfwits are saying?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, I mean it's just it's dreadful, don't you think.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Well, yeah, I have got no problem with sanctioning them whatsoever.
I think it's bad. I think, you know, I don't
even know if that's bloody enough at all. Hey Mauz,
thank you. I appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia correspondent, Gee,
wouldn't you love something to be done about Gaza to
sort that out? Heather, if you want to save some
money on water and Wellington, just go out into the
street with the bucket and scoop it up. I wonder,
thank you, Craig. I wonder if that's part of what

(23:40):
people what is unclear is why the cost of water
is going to go up so extraordinarily in Wellington. Maybe
part of part of the problem is just the extraordinary
patch up job that needs to happen. Listen, just really
quickly on the woolen carpets now, I would like to know,
because we've had this massive turnaround from KO Caying of Order,
the formerly known as Housing New Zealand. We they've decided no, no,

(24:03):
don't need the old, cheapy synthetic carpets. Now we just
go the go for the wall carpets, just you know,
blow the budget for the people in the tenants of
our houses. They reckon it's now cost effective to do it.
I want to know the cost because I don't believe this.
I do not believe for one second that somehow we're

(24:23):
found a way to make wool carpets as cheap as
synthetic carpets. I reckon there is dodgy as all hal
accounting going on here where they're taking into account things
like the life of the carpet. Do you know what
I mean? Where they're like, oh, oh, wool carpet lasts
twenty five thousand years as opposed to a synthetic carpet,
which only lasts five. So if you include that, suddenly
it's affordable. Anyway. We're going to talk to the KO
boss about that after the five as well. Thomas Coglan's

(24:45):
next sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us Thomas Hallow
here A good afternoon, right, So what stern words did
Nikola have for Neil?

Speaker 17 (24:58):
Well?

Speaker 18 (24:59):
Yes, so we're back into day two, month three. I
think of the scrap over a y Adrian Or resigned
from the Reserve Bank. The bank came under serious criticism
for the fact that it's taken months to get these
official papers out explaining the reason for the resignation. Nicola Willis,
the Finance Minister, criticized that this morning, saying that she'd

(25:21):
spoken to the Bank's chairperson, Neil Quigley and expressed my
view that the Bank did not manage that official information
request well and I expect them to do better, which
was swiftly followed by a statement from Quigley himself which
acknowledged that quote. The Bank was later producing a response
to some of the oas we received on Adrianaw's resignation.
I regret that this delay occurred end quote. So an

(25:46):
interesting war of words there between the Finance Minister and
the Reserve Bank today which you don't often see.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Why is this what they're talking about, Thomas. Why are
they focusing on the delays in the OYA response when
clearly the bigger problem is that the chair of the
Reserve Bank has told multiple FIBs about this.

Speaker 18 (26:03):
Yes, you are right, it does rather look like a
distraction and we don't really have we don't really have
anything firm from the government about whether whether they buy
that explanation around the fact that this was originally quickly
said that this was a personal decision to resign. Of course,
all decisions to resign are, to a certain extent, personal decisions,

(26:25):
and obviously.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
One of Thomas one of many FIBs. Anyway, carry on.

Speaker 18 (26:30):
But as we discovered us today it was it was
actually a probably better characterized I would personally, I think
the more accurate way of describing would be a professional
disagreement over the level of funding the bank was receiving,
which you know, I mean, that's a perfectly fine reason
to quit. Yeah, people quit over money all the time.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
I just think, I think of the sins taking your time,
and I mean I don't love it, but dawdling on
the OI A response is the least of the sins here. Anyway,
we'll talk to Nicol about it when she's with us
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Talk to me.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
About this poll. We've got two poles now in the
last couple of weeks week in a bit that have
put our labor ahead of National. Now, granted, Thomas, it's tight,
but National should be worried about this, shouldn't they.

Speaker 18 (27:14):
Yes, I mean used to. No, Obviously, it's never good
to be behind your main opposition opposition during any part
of the parliament when you're in government. Obviously Labor. Labor
was behind National for a bit in the twenty twenty
seventeen twenty twenty term, and a bit like this, this
Taxpayer's Union poll shows that the right block would still
be in government. It's just that National is behind Labor.

(27:37):
But obviously with those support parties, the National lead government
would be would still be in government. I actually would
counter that and think, you know, that was a pretty
tough budget. They rolled out that the pay equity stuff
was pretty controversial and the key we saver changes. You
know New Zealanders love the key we savers, and the
government really took an X to the key we save subsidies.

(27:59):
So I would think that if you could get away
with that level of cut and only lose a few
points in the polls. I mean, National fell about a
point in this Taxpayer Union poll today, it's on thirty
three point five. It was on thirty four point six
last month. That isn't actually that bad a slump considering
the level of political pain they could have been up
for given the amount of cutting in the budget.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
This is true, but they were not popular even before that,
and should they not be worried about that.

Speaker 18 (28:25):
Yes, I mean you it is, I mean every part
of political party at the moment, all that both the
major parties are relatively unpopular. Y, it's incredible that you
know we've been I've got the numbers in front of me,
and National's polling has had a three in front of
it for month to one month. I mean, I think
they've only once, in January twenty four they cracked the
forty percent threshold, which is basically where the Key government lived.

(28:48):
They lived above forty percent.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Right, I mean, it's such a good point that you make.
Thomas listen, thank you as always, I really appreciate your input.
Thomas Cogland, the Herald's political leedister, nine away from.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Five to day asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Jimmy Carmy is coming back.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
The need is called laughs, funny Jimmy carras whetherus do
you ever stop working?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I mean, look, this is show business. There'll be people
listening to this with proper jobs. Don't put in a shift.
There'll be people digging ditches with some headphones in going.

Speaker 19 (29:15):
Oh he stands up? Does he stands up for two
hours a night and tells jokes? Oh, is there a
go fund? Me, can we help this poor feature. It's
like my issue with life is.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Work is more fun than fun.

Speaker 19 (29:25):
Like if I have a night off, what am I doing?
I'm thin home, I don't come out and do a show.
It's such a joyful thing, and so much of it
is kind of interactive.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's joyful though.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
I work as much as I possibly can.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking breakfast with
a Veda News talk zib.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, this is a fair point on the text, Heather.
The Key government lived above forty percent because they had
no partners on the right, with Act under one percent
at the time. Now, of course the right voters split.
You need to understand MMP blocks. That's right, Dave. You
make a fair point, but take New Zealand First out
of it, because New Zealand First is not strictly a
right wing party. New Zealand First is actually a center party.
So if you take them out of it, now you're

(30:01):
looking at a situation where actually the writer is not
it's not because Key governed without New Zealand First right
and he was still sitting pretty So now you're looking
at a situation where it's really not that flash, is it.
I don't know. I feel like a lot of it's
got to do. It's just because they're so blinking uninspiring,
aren't they Anyway. I was just getting a little bit
cynical about the road road cone tip line today and

(30:24):
I thought for a minute there was bureaucratic nonsense. But
can I tell you that I have some excellent news
for you about the how this is working. So, as
I told you, in the last week or so, multiple
people are using my name to complain about the road cones,
and so I'm getting all the response emails and as
they come in, I'm going to tell you all of
the good news. So someone has used my name to

(30:45):
complain about some road cones in Albany, and as a result,
we have had road cones in Albany now removed. So
the road cones are on arn Way Drive and what
they're doing on Arnway Drive at number five is they
are replacing electrical switch gear. And the person who complained
complained because there were too many cones at the site.

(31:05):
And also the temporary traffic management has been in place
for longer than a week with no activity. So I'm
happy to tell you that Auckland Transport, so how it works.
Is that WorkSafe gets the complaint and they send it
to the relevant roading authority, this being Auckland Transport. Auckland
Transport has gone around to the site, has actually done
an on site inspection and has identified that the site

(31:27):
crew had added around thirty cones, more than was necessary
and more than was indicated in the authorized plan. They
have removed these additional cones. So there you go. Whoever
complained about the road cones in Albany, well done you. However,
I will say, okay, there is a bit of a
snag here. Somebody else, one of my friends has complained about.

(31:48):
This is the kind of thing that we've been talking
about in our boring little lives. She has complained about
the road cones on Kepper Road in Mission Bay. And
unfortunately what has happened is that Auckland Transport has not
done a sufficient job with this one. So Auckland Transport
simply emailed so that the complaint came in, it was
sent to Auckland Transport, and Auckland Transport simply emailed the

(32:08):
people who were doing the road roadworks at Kepa Road.
Is this is being Dempsey Would and Dempsey Wood just
emailed Auckland Transport back and said nay, now it's okay.
We've got enough road cones and not too many. It's
according to the plan. Now, this is where the real
trouble is going to occur. It has to be the plan.
If the plan is approved with too many road cones,
then there's not a lot you can do because the

(32:30):
clipboard warrior is turning up there with the plan and saying,
oh no, you own You said you wanted twelve road cones,
why are they fourteen? So so what they need to
do is at that very inception point they need to
make sure they're not overdoing it on the road cones. Anyway,
keep on using my name, keep on because because we're
going to keep getting these good news stories out there.
Every single road cone that has taken away is a

(32:51):
victory for all of us, isn't it. We're going to
go to Australia next on the old Ull Castile, have
a chat to the Lower Institute and then Wellington. One
on Earth? Are they paying as much water? New storgsv
What what witches?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story?

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Gooring?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's heather due for the drive with one new Zealand.
Let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Newstalgs B afternoon. It looks like there may be trouble
for the ORCHEST security pack. The US is reviewing it
to make sure it aligns with Donald Trump's America First
Agenda agenda now. Doctor Michael fully Love is the executive
director of the Loewe Institute in Australia.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Michael, Hello, Hello, Hello, Michael.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Central to the steel obviously are those hugely expensive submarines.
Is Australia still going to be buying those?

Speaker 15 (33:57):
I think at this stage. I mean there's a The
Trump administration has called a thirty day review into the
AUCUS arrangement, but it's not that unusual for new governments
to review adeals that have been made by their predecessors.
I note that all of the most senior people around

(34:17):
President Trump are in favor of AUCUS, including his National
Security Advisor and Secretary of State Marco Rubio and his
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. The Australian government says it's full
steam ahead. We release polling today that shows that sixty
seven percent of Australians think it's in Australia's interests to
have to acquire nuclear powered submarine so I think at

(34:38):
this stage it's important not to freak out. And at
this stage, yes, I think it is going ahead.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh, I mean we had all just assumed that this
was their way of getting out of it. So you're
pretty confident it's going to keep going. What is the
reason then for the review? Is it to apply pressure
to Australia?

Speaker 15 (34:55):
Well, I yeah, I mean it's a matter of speculation.
It's possible, of course that the review comes out in
a negative way for August. But when I spoke to
my Washington contacts this morning, for example, most people think
the Trump administration is unlikely to kill Aucus. They're more likely,
I think, to use this as leverage, perhaps to encourage

(35:16):
Australia to spend more on defense.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Right, And do you think that'll be enough to get
them to basically commit to this.

Speaker 16 (35:22):
Pack to get the Trump administration.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yes, if Australia was to lift its spending on defense,
which is clearly what Trump wants everyone basically to do,
would that be enough for Trump to commit to this pack?

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Well, I wouldn't.

Speaker 15 (35:36):
I wouldn't present it quite in that way, Heather. I
think Australia. I think Australia should increase its defense spending.

Speaker 16 (35:43):
The reason for that.

Speaker 15 (35:44):
Is not to give a trophy to Donald Trump or
to win an argument over Ucust. But the reason for
that is that the world is much more dangerous than
it has been for a long time, and almost all
of our like minded countries and democracies around the world,
in response to the kind of behavior from Russia and China,
are increasing their defense budgets and improving the capabilities of

(36:07):
their defense force. So I think we should be doing
that in our own interest. I wouldn't say that's part
of the quid pro quo on UCUS from the Australian point.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Of view now, But notwithstanding whether it's the right thing
to do, and I agree with you obviously, I mean,
the world is a different place to what it was
thirty years ago. Let's say everybody should be thinking about this.
But notwithstanding whether it's the right thing to do. That
is clearly what Trump wants, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (36:29):
Well, this is all speculation. We don't really know what
Trump thinks about this. You might remember that President Trump
was asked about August I think it was in February,
and he didn't recognize the acronym. So I don't I
suspect he doesn't have a settled view on Aucus, and
I think, to answer your question, it depends on on
how his officials present Aucust to him. If an August

(36:52):
skeptic like Elbridge Colby, who is running this review, says, look, Boss,
this is not in our interest because we don't have
enough submarines to go around, then mister Trump won't like it.
It won't appeal to the America First mentality. If, on
the other hand, his Secretary of State, his National Security advisor,
his Defense secretary say this isn't our interest because the
Australians are investing in the defense industrial base and this

(37:15):
will strengthen the alliance with Australia and there'll be more
allied capability to deter poor behavior by China, then that
feels like a win for an America First to like
President Trump. So I think a lot of it, as
with everything in this administration, a lot of it comes
down to President Trump's personal response, and we don't yet
know what that is on Aucust.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Michael, thanks for your time. I really appreciate it. Doctor Michael
fully Love, who's the executive director at the Loewe.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Institute here the Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
New State homes will be fitted out with woolcarpet after
a turn around from coyinga order earlier this year. KO
was instructed by the government to go with wool over nylon.
We're practical and appropriate. Matt Crockett is the chief executive
at KO.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
Hey, matt ow, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
So is the wool costing list than the nylon?

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Know that that basically it's cost neutral. But wall was
a great product, and you know, we were really pleased
with the pricing that came back.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
And what does cost neutral mean?

Speaker 7 (38:11):
Well, basically it's this very similar pricing to the nylon option,
and you know, was a great product.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
So similar but slightly more.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Look very close, very close.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
So how much does it cost per square meter?

Speaker 7 (38:27):
I don't actually have that figure and that would actually
be commercially sensitive to share.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Mat Come on, So the cost of nylon for you
guys is forty three dollars eighteen per square meter? How
much more than that?

Speaker 7 (38:42):
No, it's cost competitive, it really is. So we haven't
traded away you know, any financial thing. Well, no, we haven't.
So so we believe this is cost neutral for a
great product, and that's why we've gone with it.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
How have you worked out cost neutrality? Is it because
you've factored in the longer life or something like that.

Speaker 7 (39:06):
Look, we've looked at a number of different factors, but
the biggest thing has been like as a you know,
as I said in release media release earlier today, we
were really pleased that the quotes that came back were very,
very sharp on the pricing. And that's the core part
of it. Really.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
When will we.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Find out I mean, if it's if it's if we're
able to find out how much it costs you guys
with nylon per square meter? When will we find out
how much the wall price is per square meter?

Speaker 7 (39:32):
I can't answer that right now?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Will you tell us?

Speaker 7 (39:37):
Well, there's no reason for us to hide it and
left there's something in there that's commercially sensitive and I
will just need to check with my team, and given
that we've just come through the process, I'd rather get
that clear before I say anything on the radio here.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Okay, Hey, thank you, Matt. I appreciate it. Matt Crockett,
Chief executive of KO. What did I tell you bs
that it's cheaper together? Do for c llen some good
news for TA. I am really I'm going to be
honest with you. I am I'm really, really really hoping
that the TV and Z Plus thing works. I really
wanted to work, because I think this is their great

(40:10):
hope for how they last as a business, reasonably big
deal for TV and Z and TV and Z Plus.
Apparently they're going to get some rugby on the thing,
so it's going to be the MPC. Apparently at the moment,
Sky TV is busy negotiating with New Zealand Rugby and
they have to have a free to air partner right
for all the rugby that they put on Sky TV
behind the payble, and their free to air partner is
going to be TV and Z Plus, And apparently it's

(40:32):
going to work a little bit like it does with
the netball, where the games are split between SkyTV and
TV and Zen and you've got a mix of live
games and delayed live games and highlights packages blah blah blah,
and it plays across Sky and then TV and Z
Plus starts next year. By the sounds of things, not
a lot of detail because it sounds like it's still
well and truly in negotiations. But this is good for

(40:54):
TV and Z Plus because we need more reasons to
go and look at that, and they've got excellent content there.
And on the sports front, they've got the breakers already,
they've got the netball and now you're gonna have some rugby.
How good is that quarter past?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
If you're going to field days? And why aren't you
going to field days? If you're going to field days,
you need to go to the Byd stand because these
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(41:27):
in June and you will get five thousand dollars to
spend your way and you can use that money however
you want. You can upgrade the vehicle, personalize the vehicle
with a range of accessories, maybe put the money towards
the cost of the vehicle or the on road costs.
You still get yourself that six year warranty up to
one hundred and fifty thousand k's. You still get yourself
the eight years of roadside assistance field Days five thousand dollars.

(41:47):
Your way is valid for this month, the month of
June only. Terms and conditions apply. And if you want
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(42:09):
thirty two.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Ever, do for Cellen.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Eighteen past five. More water trouble in Wellington. This time
it's the price of water.

Speaker 20 (42:18):
Now.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
It is estimated that the average Wellington household will be
paying an average of fifty dollars a week for water
within their rates bill from the second half of this year.
Wellington City councilor Tim Brown is with me.

Speaker 21 (42:30):
Now, Hey, Tim, Hi, very well, thank you?

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Is this for real? Is this really happening?

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Yes? The average.

Speaker 21 (42:40):
Water charge per rappairers have bit like twenty five hundred
dollars or twenty six hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Why is it so high?

Speaker 21 (42:49):
Well, remember that if you live at Auckland, your water
charges don't cover store border, so our water charges cover
all three store water, sewerage and drinking water, and it
has approximately doubled in about the last five years. So
it's you know, was closer to where Auckland's were five

(43:10):
years ago. And it's quite hard to actually fully understand
why our network is in such bad condition, but it
is obviously in that bad condition because the money, you know,
we do know that the money is being spent fixing
lenks and such like, so you know, it's not like
the money is disappearing somewhere. It has actually been spent

(43:32):
fixing problems.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
If we did apples for apples, and you know, Auckland
has had the storm water included and blah blah blah,
and we're all paying exactly the same thing. Would you
guys be paying in Wellington about what everybody's paying. Would
it be more or would it be.

Speaker 21 (43:43):
Less that I'm not too sure. I think the I
think I saw from a media report that the average
water care charge is about one hundred dollars per month
per residentes or per connection, so it's about twelve hundred dollars.
I would doubt that stormwatar would be the same. Again,

(44:04):
on top of that, so I would suspect that Wellington
is probably paying something more than Aukland at the moment.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Okay, well listen, good luck with it, because you guys
just have constant troubles with the stuff, don't you. That's
Tim Brown, Wellington City councilor hey, by the way, the
chap who is running monash IVF has just quit today.
This is after the news yesterday that they put the
wrong embryo in the wrong woman twice, so probably inevitable
that that was the end of his job. And speaking

(44:30):
of which I think we may need the end of
somebody else's job. Let's talk about it next five to
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
They'd be five to twenty three. Look, I don't enjoy
saying what I'm about to say because personally I quite
like Neil Quigley. But I think that he needs to
quit as the chairer of the Reserve Bank simply because
I do not think that we can ever trust a
single word that comes out of that man's mouth. Again,
as the chair he has been to telling not just
one but quite a lot of fibbs about Adrianall's resignation.

(45:06):
So for a start, on the day that Adrian All quit,
you'll quit, You'll recall. Neil Quigley was the one who
held the press conference at the time. He said Adrian's
resignation was a personal decision. That is clearly not true.
Adrian Winoff now found out find out, packed a sad
and quit overfunding. Neil Quigley also said that there was
nothing that the government had said in the days before

(45:27):
that that caused Adrian or to quit. Not true. Adrian
and Nichola and actually Neil himself had a meeting about
the funding nine days before the resignation. Neil Quigley was
also asked whether there were any policy, conduct or performance
issues which are at the center of this resignation. He said,
there are no issues of that type that are behind
this resignation. Once again not true. He was asked what

(45:50):
happened because quote, Reserve Bank governors don't just up and resign,
and he said, quote there is a time when you think,
having achieved what you wanted to achieve, that's enough. Once
again not true. That's not why Adrian quit. Adrian quick
because he packed a tantrum, because he didn't get enough money. Now,
I do not know why Neil quickly decided that he

(46:11):
needed to tell porkies in order to defend Adrian Or.
I mean, I get the feeling that he has spent
a great deal of his time, unfortunately for him, spent
a great deal of his time trying to manage the
tantrums of our former toddler governor. And perhaps he just
got into a little bit of a pattern of butt
covering for the guy. He has suggested that he was
constrained in what he could say by Or's exit agreement.

(46:32):
But in that case, you simply say, look, I can't
say much because it's an employment agreement. And I think
we all will understand that, because we're all employees or employers,
and we're all constrained by the same law, so we
get it. But he didn't choose to do that, did he.
He chose to stand there and fibb to us. And
that means that next time he's up answering some tough questions.
I don't know if we're going to trust him, are

(46:54):
we already? Unfortunately for Neil, he's got quite a big
black mark against him. He was part of the money
printing team with aid all that stuffed up the economy,
and some already think that that is enough reason to
call for him to quit, never mind the fact that
he has now been busted telling straight out Porky's in public.
So if I was Neil Quigley, and he's got two options,

(47:15):
he can hang in there and see how it goes,
or he can quit while he's still ahead, and I
would do the latter.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Heather do for see Allen Heather?

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Who cares if it's slightly more? This is read the
wool carpet. It's a win for New Zealand wool and
sheep farmers. Now, look, Jenny, I love wool like you
love wool. I love a natural fiber. I love buying
myself the natural fiber. I love dressing the baby in
the natural fiber. You know who wants to sleep under
an eylon blanket if you can sleep under a nice
wool blanket, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (47:43):
Like?

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I get it, and I want and I want to
help the farmers out. But if we start doing this
kind of nonsense, we're essentially heading down the same path
as Muldoon, aren't we? And how did that end up
for us? What Muldoon decided was we need to support
these economy. We need to support these sectors and basically
subsidize them. Without the government and the taxpayer propping them up,
they can't do business. Well, if they can't do business

(48:04):
without the government and the taxpayer propping them up, probably
they shouldn't be doing business. I'm just saying maybe there's
a different way of doing it. But basically forcing ko
to prop up the sheep industry I don't think is
a smart idea. Because we were there with Muldoon. How
did that end? We all know not very well as
much as we because if we do it for wool

(48:24):
because we love wool, well, then what's stopping the Greens
for doing it? I don't know, some weird thing that
they are into and labor doing it for their weird
pet project, and before you know it, the entire economy
is doing it, isn't it Anyway? Listen, let's talk next
to Paul Spoony. I love this man. He's always fascinating.
He's going to talk us through what on earth we
need to do to get fertility rates up again, or

(48:45):
if we even do news talks.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Eb after making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first,
Kid's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news dogs they'd be.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
Ten seven through.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
No yet, should we be thinking about people's health? Free
the wool carpet because wool is a natural fiber that
buyo degrades, unlike synthetic carpets, which can shed microplastics into
the environment. Blah blah blah and so on and so forth. Well, no,
because that shouldn't be because if you take that to
its logical conclusion, right, if you have to think about

(49:28):
health when you're buying stuff as a country, then we
should surely. I hope that we're making sure that every
single meal that we serve the kids for lunch is organic.
And you can see how that ends up just super
super pricey. Anyway, we'll talk to the huddle about it.
They're standing by right now. It's twenty four away from
six now. The UN is warning that the whole world
is facing a fertility crisis as is. According to a

(49:49):
new report. It says that the cost of living, job
in security, and housing costs are preventing people from having
as many kids as they actually want to. Now, Paul
Spoonley is a Massy University sociologist. High pault Hi Heather Paul,
I don't believe it's money. I believe I believe it
is a lack of time. What do you think.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
I think it's a number of things. So traditionally it's
been the level of women's education, so as that's gone
to your babies, it's been the fact that more women
are in the paid workforce. I think it's fertility. So
fertility in the sense of being able to conceive children,
because women are having children much later in life, and

(50:29):
so as we see that first child, the age of
the women for the first child is creeping up. And
I think it is money.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Do you think it is money?

Speaker 6 (50:40):
I do you know know the cost of having children.
I've just looked at some data on the cost of
having a child in New Zealand, and you do need
to make a decision about whether you can afford a
child or a house, or whether you can afford to
have a child and see your career disrupted. That's particularly

(51:01):
for millennials and generations said women in New Zealand, they're
beginning to make those calculations.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
But Paul, you yourself point to the fact that Hungary
said if you have four children and more you get
income tax breaks, like no income tax needs to be paid.
It didn't change the fertility rate. Sweden, which is far
more generous than we are when it comes to childcare
provisions and maternity and paternity leave, has the same fertility
rate as we do. So is it really about money.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Well, one of it is one of the factors. It
is one of the factors. So if it's come through
as a major factor in the last ten years, the
cost of living, the cost of housing, the fact that
you're not getting enough salary to cover off.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yes, okay, but can I put something to you? Is
this just what people say when you say to them,
why have you only got two children and not seven hundred?
They say, Oh, it's cost But is that what is
what people say different to the reality, Like if you
actually then made it more affordable for them to have children,
would they actually.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
No, they wouldn't. So what demographers agreed on, Heather, is
that pronatal policies by governments you've mentioned sweating Hungary actually
don't make any difference to the decision about having children.
So governments are really scratching the head at this point,
thinking how can we stop fertility decline?

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Why do we want to we stop at Paul? Why
don't we just accept that this is how it is?

Speaker 6 (52:25):
Yes, yes, I agree with that, Heather. The thing is
that what the UN report is which we're talking about here,
which has identified the cost of having children as being
a factor, and a major international survey, they've said there
are two options. One of those is that we work
longer so we're healthier. Why can't we continue to work

(52:46):
after the age of sixty five, which many people in
New Zealand are doing. And the second is we just
need to use immigration to top up the shortages will
occur in the workforce.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Paul, it is always wonderful to speak to you. Thank
you so much for your time. That's Paul Spoonley, Massy
University sociologist.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
The Huddle, we're New Zealand Southerby's International Realty find You're
one of a kind list.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
I've got to get you an update on some Trump
related matters, but first of all, let's do the Huddle.
We've got Thomas Scrimer of Maximum Institute and Nick Leget
of Infrastructure New Zealand. Hello you guys. Hello Nick, You've
got a lot of kids, haven't.

Speaker 22 (53:20):
You, Well, yeah, more than you.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
How many of you guys?

Speaker 19 (53:24):
I got four?

Speaker 22 (53:26):
And it's an interesting conversation, this isn't it, because it's
actually I think the reason people don't have kids is
because they start later and often like, we're selfish with
our time. I mean, we've got four, so we're busy.
But I can really understand people go, well, I only
want to because they're easy to carry around and I
can still have a bit of a life. So I
think those are the sort of first world kind of choices.

(53:50):
But what we're looking at is massive population.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Before we get there. Before we get there, I'm not
finished talking about you. Does your wife work?

Speaker 22 (54:00):
She works very part time? And how old has she's
only just gone back to that three?

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Okay? Yeah, okay, So it kind of kind of lends
to my theory because I think what is going on,
Nick is not actually so much of a financial problem.
I think that and Paul kind of agreed with that.
I actually think that the problem here is women trying
to work while having babies is just too bloody hard,
and so as a result, they limit the number of children.

(54:27):
And your wife came out of the workforce, had for
and now is going back. Would you agree with my theory?

Speaker 22 (54:33):
I think there's a lot to that.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Yeah, Now carry on with what you were going to
say about demography and economics.

Speaker 22 (54:38):
Well, I mean what we think about countries like China.
You know, it's projected that China is going to have
a massive population drop, and so it's not just you know,
thinking about ourselves, thinking about our trading partners. It's thinking
that this is going to be a worldwide trend. The
question is what, if anything, can we actually do about it. Obviously,

(55:00):
being in the infrastructure sector, you know, you plan to
build infrastructure that meets growing population needs. And when the
population isn't going to grow or it's going to it's
going to evolve differently, you have to start asking some
long term questions about where you plan to put your
money in your investments.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Thomas, I agree with Nick, and I think we just
need to accept that this is what the world is like,
this is what the Western world. Even we'll bring in migrants,
they will simply start to live like we do as
they become wealthier and more selfish like us. And I
think we just need to reorganize our economies to cope
with the fact that we're just not going to keep
replacing ourselves. Fair or no.

Speaker 20 (55:38):
Well, I think it's a reasonably good prediction about what
is likely to happen. I don't know that we should
be complacent or enthusiastic about that. I mean, I don't
know about you, Heather, but many of my favorite people
were babies once. Humans are good. This is a this
is a cultural challenge we have where we've so often
talked about family and kids in negative ways, whether it's

(55:59):
in conversation about you know, humans effect on the environmental
just the sacrifice of time, as if children are just
a burden. Humans are great. I like humans, but we.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Also have to stop having babies. Thomas.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
We can't.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
I mean that is why we have to.

Speaker 20 (56:15):
Stop having babies, because I come from a long line
of people who had babies. This is how the world
works here that you know this.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
You're a mother, you can't just the planet can only
hold so many of us. I don't think it's a bad.

Speaker 20 (56:27):
Risk of us having too many babies. Like you say,
we have this demographic collapse warning from the UNN who
are the last people to realize this.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Only because economies like this, Thomas, we can totally stop
having that we can. We can reach a plateau and
we can just pop along with five million if that's
what we want to.

Speaker 20 (56:45):
Why not, well we can. I just don't think it's
good to view the world in terms of decline. Humans
can go forward and grow and that's great.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
You don't have any kids though, way, Thomas, you don't
have any kids, do you know?

Speaker 20 (56:58):
But you know the family betting markets are out, but
I think I'm putting the money one of my sister
in laws actually, so don't want to scales though.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Nick, I don't want to leave Thomas with the impression
that having children is negative. Isn't it a wonderful delight
to have children?

Speaker 22 (57:12):
It's fantastic. I mean, you could do a whole huddle
on you know how great it is to have kids
and what a delight and the joy they are. But
I also reckon New Zealand should plan to grow. I
think we should have a strategy to grow because five
million people. Okay, it's fine, but actually.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
All migrants, Nick, are you.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Cool with that?

Speaker 21 (57:33):
It's fine?

Speaker 22 (57:34):
Yeah, I am cool with that because we've got to
grow and we've got to grow our economy. And you know,
when you look at the impact the positive impact that
migrants have over time on innovation, on starting businesses, on
growing economies. It's really positive. And actually I want New
Zealand to be wealthire and I think having more people

(57:55):
living here, we've got to really plan that and decide
where and how we grow. I think that's a good thing.
So yeah, I'm in favor of it.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Yeah, I look to be honest, I don't mind us
growing ourselves a little bit. I think the others can
stop growing a week, but I will take a break.
Come back shortly sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 4 (58:16):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Thomas Scrimger and Nick Legett. Now, Thomas,
what do you think of the wool carpets?

Speaker 20 (58:22):
Oh well, I'm in two minds about it. I heard
what you were saying before about Robert Muldoon coming back
subsidizing industries, and I think that's a real concern. And
I would note that the farmers, whenever they're kind of
crying out for New Zealanders to buy New Zealand made products,
they're not buying New Zealand made tractors, and they're not
buying New Zealand made fertilizer. But here, though I'm going

(58:42):
to annoy you, I'm gonna trust kaying Aura when they
say it's cost neutral. They're building something to own in
the long term, you know, lifetime cost they might come
out Even so, wool carpets are a good product.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Thomas, why would you trust Ko on anything?

Speaker 20 (59:00):
I'm an irrepressible optimist.

Speaker 9 (59:02):
You know.

Speaker 20 (59:02):
Bl English is review into them, you know, and they
had some cost blowouts, but no one ever suggested they're
cost blowouts were due to buying two higher quality products.
The management it was the cost of land. So if
wall is a good product and they're owning it for
the next I think if.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
You're trying to contort your mind into this so because
you like the wool, and remind me, remind me to
never trust you on anything to do with finances. Again,
if this is how gullible you are, Nick, what do
you think?

Speaker 22 (59:29):
I have a real problem with political decrees driving what's
hobst where it comes to operational matters. It's how we
get ourselves into problems in this country. Look, once again,
I'll go back to infrastructure because you know. Do you
want politicians deciding where things go and how things are built? No,

(59:51):
you don't. You want politicians to set the broad agenda,
the themes, and you want them to tick off the money.
But actually you want experts to work in the And
I just think that this stuff needs to be about
the judgment of people who know best, those who build
a bit and then manage these properties and understanding how tenants.
You know, how we're in Errika is. So I think

(01:00:16):
we should trust people. I think you know. And I
want to say, get politicians out of day to day
operations and directing proceedings. That's not what they're there for.
We need to get back to some traditional governance versus management.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Could not agree with you more, Thomas. Have you ever
tried to clean a wool carpet when somebody spills something
on it?

Speaker 20 (01:00:34):
I have not, Heather.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I just want to say, it's not as easy as
cleaning a nylon carpet. And I don't know if you
know what the inside of the State House sometimes looks like,
but a nylon carpet's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Thomas thoughts on Neil Quigley and whether he should retain
his job after all the porkies he told.

Speaker 20 (01:00:51):
And I think it's pretty precarious at the moment. Like
government always relies on trust, but the Reserve Bank especially
so when they do their announcements about interest rates and stuff,
they labor over the idea of here's where we think
we're going. You know you can trust us. And Neil
Quigley's description of how Adrian or departed it's certainly an

(01:01:12):
economic with the truth, shall we say? But I think
that the bigger question is, you know, should Nicola Willis
be considered should Nichola Willis consider inviting Neil Quiggley to
resign for personal reasons?

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Because you for personal because it's hard for her to fire,
and may like I don't think that this meets the
threshold for her giving in the sack? Does it?

Speaker 18 (01:01:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Because I think if you look at the Reserve Bank Act,
it's something it takes, something like misconduct or failure to
do the job. And I'm not sure that you can
quite say that telling the public Poorlkey's is one of
those things.

Speaker 20 (01:01:47):
Ah So, then if Nichola Willis can't invite him to resign,
I'm not sure why I should be telling him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
To because I trust you on this one.

Speaker 20 (01:01:56):
I can run the economy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Well, what she was saying before.

Speaker 20 (01:02:00):
Tim said that I would be allowed to resign my
job if I took up here to deserve bank, because
I could probably with the gap in wages, fund my
replacement for a year and come out all right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
I think that's actually quite good maths from him.

Speaker 22 (01:02:10):
What do you think, Nick, I was kind of, Oh,
look to speaking of contortionists. He's got an employee who's
rights and privacy has to respect, and he's got a
minister who's really you know, whose policies of really or
decisions have caused the employee to resign. He's caught in
the middle. But actually, the way you summed it up,

(01:02:33):
he didn't actually have to front a press conference. He
didn't have to say anything. In fact, I don't know
why they took you know, they went out there and
made a big deal when actually they had nothing to say.
And so I do I feel sorry for Neil quickly.
He is caught in the middle. I don't actually think
he should resign, but I do think we need to

(01:02:55):
consider in roles like this, you know that people have
our ability to communicate properly, and you know don't feel
that they have to say everything. I mean, there's an
employment relationship here. You can't comment on that, so don't
try to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah, absolutely all right, guys, it's been brilliant to talk
to you. Thank you very much and go back to
your troop of children. That's Thomas Scrimger of the Maximum
Institute and Nick Legget Infrastructure, New Zealand. Eight away from six.

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Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Heather. Have you ever tried to repair nylon carpet that
has had the tenants putting the ghds on it and
trying to iron their clothes on it. It's impossible. It
has to be replaced. Wool carpet is the way to go. Honestly,
I always baffles me the stupid things that people try
to do, Like do you know some people try to

(01:03:52):
put will Will in the will jerseys in the dryer?
How do you think that goes? Honestly, I think people
should live their lives according to Google before they do.
Were they trying to put a shirt down?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
And then? Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Anyway, whatever is.

Speaker 17 (01:04:06):
This text of saying it's safe for me to attempt
to iron my shirt with a GHD on a wall carpet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
It would be better if you absolutely all.

Speaker 17 (01:04:13):
Right, sweet yeah, solf, I'm going to If I'm going
to do it on the floor, then I should check
what kind of carpet it is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Wow, we forget about the stuff that you teach your kids.
Say that if people don't teach their kids, they have
to learn the hard way. Hither are your theory re
women in work and it's been too hard to do both?
Is bang on? Thanks for saying what most women are thinking. Hither,
we cannot save up for retirement if we have more
than one or two children, Celia, we cannot pay for
your retirement. If you don't have two plus children, you've

(01:04:39):
got to have You've got to have three children in
order to pay for your retirement. Did you know that anyway? Listen?
Donald Trump? Donald Trump says that the China Deal has done,
which has been very very good news today for those
of us hoping that he doesn't stuff up the world's
economy completely. He's doing a pretty good job of trying
to do it. Though. He says that the China Deal
has done, He and she just needs signed the thing off.

(01:05:01):
Trouble is, markets don't look like they believe him. Pretty
mixed trading today on the Asia Pacific markets. And you
can't really blame the markets, can you, Because the last time,
every time the markets get excited about what Donald Trump says,
turns out that the opposite actually happens. Also on Donald
Trump News, apparently JD. Vance and Susie Wiles had to
get involved in the lover's tiff in order to sort

(01:05:22):
this out. First of all, JD. Vance and Susie Wiles
had to call and it sounds like it was a
conference cause basically an intervention, isn't it. You know, when
you're having a bad breakup and then people need to
intervene and be like, hey, you know you're gonna regret it.
You really love him? Are you sure you want to
do this? Well, that's what Jadie Vance and Susie Wiles
had to do with Elon. They had to call him
up and say, probably going to regret this later, can

(01:05:45):
you make up with Don? And then they set up
a phone call and it sounds like Don then spoke
to Elon and the rest, as they say, is history.
That's according to insiders who've spoken to the Wall Street Journal.
So there you go. That's how we mended the situation. Now,
if you love locking up the krim and who doesn't,
good issue news for you who we're going to lock
up a lot of them. May about another four thousand

(01:06:09):
or so in the next ten years. The prison population
is going to go from ten and a half thousand
to about fourteen point two something or other. Problem is
we don't have the space. So what are we gonna
do about it? We're gonna chat to the Corrections Association
with us next Newstalk to b S we can only

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dan on the retail numbers out today and it's not
that flash unfortunately, seven past six Now it looks like
the government is going to have to get a move
on and build some more prisons. There's a new report
from the Ministry of Justice that predicts that the prison
population is going to grow by thirty six percent just

(01:07:18):
over the next ten years. Floyduplassy is the national president
of the Corrections Association. Hey Floyd, good evening, Either why
so many prisoners? Are we just locking them up more?

Speaker 23 (01:07:29):
Yes, we're just locking them up more. There was six
ord years ago there was or predictions that the prison
population was going to go to those numbers. It was
a time where National had obviously predicted and planned to
build some prisons that was scaled down under labor and
now obviously with national backend, they've got that focus on

(01:07:50):
crime and focus on dealing with what's happening at in
the public and with that comes an increase in prison population.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
How close to capacity are we at the moment?

Speaker 23 (01:08:02):
At the moment, we're sitting in about ninety five percent capacity,
So it's not looking good at all. There is obviously
slight hope in the very very short term with Waycarrier
coming online within the next two to three months and
that'll give us another five hundred bids, so that'll increase
it very slightly. But even if we incorporate that, we're

(01:08:24):
still sitting at around that ninety percent capacity immediately, let
alone any small increase that's predicted over the next twelve months,
and we'll be full within twelve to eighteen months.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Brilliant. Oh just twelve to eighteen months, did you say, Well, that's.

Speaker 23 (01:08:38):
What our predictions are, given that even with that, we're
only sitting in about a ten percent buffer, right, So there's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
No way we can build another prison in twelve to
eighteen months. So we're going to have to start looking
at double bunking, aren't we.

Speaker 23 (01:08:51):
There's definitely going there need to be some serious plans.
We have been invited by the department to meet with
them next week to start looking at what options are
on the time and what can we do. Yeah, but
there is no question obviously at the moment, there is
a plan to build the new prison down in christ
which means now that's only going to add another turn
of forty beads. But even that they announce at the

(01:09:13):
beginning of the year, they've got a completion date of
twenty twenty nine. So building these things it is just
takes far too long and we're going to need to
do some serious planning now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Yeah, all right, Floyd, listen, thanks for talking us through
to appreciate this. Floyd Duplassy Corrections Association National President Yeather
do for Cellen to skip the carpet used the flagstones, Well,
I guess around the cleaning problem, doesn't it. Also, I'm
getting a lot of texts from people saying, oh, I'm
allergic to wool. Oh you don't want to be checking
the wool and the old ko houses because what about

(01:09:46):
the state house tenants are allergic to wall or what
about the woll bugs? Wol bugs are going to have
a feast. Well, you solve all of those problems with
the flagstones, don't you. So Yeah, not the stupidest idea.
But it's all about price. I just want to know
they can do it cheaper.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
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Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
You will have noticed, of course, speaking of price, that
undoubtedly by now your electricity bill has gone up. And
that's that's something to behold it isn't it. If you
want to know exactly how much the gas is contributing,
let me run you through the numbers, because we've got
the government data for the first three months of this year.
Residential gas prices up by eighteen point five percent, commercial

(01:10:21):
gas prices up by twenty point five percent, industrial gas
prices fourteen point nine percent and wholesale prices twelve point
eight percent. Obviously, most of this will be down to
supply and demand, and we've had a nineteen percent drop
in gas production in the last three months. So therego.
That's what's going on with gas at the moment. It's
not not pretty at all, is it.

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okay so what are you expecting for THE gdp?

Speaker 11 (01:11:11):
Number, well WOULDN'T i have thought it would be that?
Flash but looking through all the economists, forecasts they've just
they've perked up a bit and they're all they've all
upgraded their forecast for the quarter to zero point seven
percent for the, quarter which is the same as we
had in the last quarter of twenty twenty, four and
which is pretty. Good so The Reserve bank had picked

(01:11:33):
zero point four for the first, quarter and most of
the economists were thinking the same. Thing but we had
some fairly good numbers business sort of business finance and
business employment numbers On, monday so they just they think
it might be a bit. Stronger but we do have
to bear in mind that that first, quarter it seems

(01:11:54):
like a long time ago, now goes right up To
Donald trump's Liberation, day but not not you, know doesn't
capture how everyone was feeling afterwards when confidence took a
bit of a. Knock so, yeah it's possible it's actually
slowed down a bit since.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Then even why are they lifting the, Forecasts.

Speaker 11 (01:12:14):
Well they're just looking at some of what they call
the high frequency. Data so manufacturing, production that sort of
thing was slightly better than they. Expected obviously everyone's everyone's
talking about the rural sector going great, guns but that
takes some time to come. Through but, yeah just a
little bit more upbeat around some of the manufacturing and

(01:12:35):
some of that core business.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Stuff so that's.

Speaker 11 (01:12:38):
Positive but you, know as we sort of sort of,
day you, know retail spending still really flat to. Backwards
so the consumer, end you, know for those of us
in the cities and in retail and, hospitality that's where
the economy is really still doing it. Tough it all
kind of matters in a, way even though it's, historic
because we're talking about whether we get another rate cut

(01:13:01):
On july, ninth and the sort of feeling as if
it's landed at zero point seven percent for the quarner
and it's better than The Reserve bank, expected they might
decide to pause and just wait and see and maybe
cut again In.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
August, yeah perhaps. So and in this retail number that
we've got out, today which is an all together, flash
can we put most of it down to the petrol
prices a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Good chunk of.

Speaker 11 (01:13:23):
It but even when you strip out the fact that
petrol prices were, cheaper you, know you still when you
look at nominal, terms you've still got some inflation going.
On so still some of those core retail sectors pretty
much like it was zero point two, down which is
basically flat but still not. Great, anyone you, know in
the retail sector or the hospitality sector looking for signs

(01:13:46):
that we've turned a corner, there it's just hasn't happened.
Yet seems to be taking, forever doesn't?

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
It, yeah. Totally, hey thank you very, Much, LIAM i
really appreciate your. Time It's Lim, dan The herald's business
entitor at. Large how you want to hear get a
load of?

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
This?

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Okay this is this is From tim Herether are you
aware how government procurement. Works tenders for products and services
are evaluated and evaluated on weighted. Attributes tenders are evaluated
on price and no. Price the percentage for the price
versus non price could be fifty to, fifty but sometimes
seventy thirty or thirty seventy as, in it's not one
hundred percent price, right price only makes a proproportion of

(01:14:21):
what they're, considering maybe thirty, percent maybe seventy, percent maybe fifty.
Percent price is pretty, simple, obviously but the non price
can be evaluated on all sorts of, criteria things like,
sustainability maori or pacifica influence broader outcome using local. Resources
it can be pretty ambiguous and very. Subjective you can
make a tender deliver whatever outcome you. Want rarely in

(01:14:43):
the INDUSTRY i, work And i've had lots of experience
with this type of, thing and the cheapest product service
offering does not always win a. Tender there can be,
one hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars difference at.
Times if taxpayers knew how this all, worked they would be.
HORRIFIED i think if we knew exactly how this ko
wool carpet one was, working we would probably be, horrified

(01:15:04):
don't You.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Heller duper c allen A.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Sunscreens what is wrong with these? PEOPLE i cannot? That
why can they not get this? Right, so once, again
for the gazillionth year in a, row we have DODGY
spf claims that have been Put is this from consumer?
Again this? One this is From it's always consumer, like
it's always the same. People it's always consumer who go
let buy, that let's test. It oh, no the S

(01:15:32):
spf is off and we just keep doing. It no
one improves. It so there are eleven sunblocks that are
for sale In New zealand that have failed to meet
their LABELED spf. Claims it's pretty much all the Bicknames Banana,
Boat Bondi, Sands, Neutrogena, Nivia. Sunbam you've owned, one if not,
many of. These these are the ones that have caught my.

(01:15:55):
Attention ultraviolet's lean SCREEN spf fifty was found to prove
if i'd only IS p four in one lab test
and only IS pf five in a second lab. Test
that's not very, flash is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
It?

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Like if you're putting on the fifty and then you're
going out there for three or four, hours, girl you're
coming in like a, lobster because you've only had four
or five on. You what A Shoka nivia Sun protect
And Moisture locke and sun bum IS pf fifty plus,
lotion both tested at IS pf. Forty, NOW i don't
know about, you But i'm a bit lucy goosey on this.

(01:16:30):
Stuff so you, know if you say you're a fifty
but you're a, FORTY i, Mean i'm Think i'm getting
eighty percent of what you. Said So i'm kind of
a bit chill about that Because i'm Not i'm not
rocking some sort of you, know Like germanic white skin
that's Gonna i'm. Not i'm not at risk of. Crisping
SO i Feel i'm a bit more chilled than maybe
The german would be about, it because she, is you,
know you want to see. Her it's reflective banana. Boat don't, Lie,

(01:16:53):
laura it's Very it's because it's because you're using this.
One this is why you're in. Trouble The Laroche Poe
anthelios wetskin sunscreen IS p fifty came in at a seventy. Two,
NOW i don't know about, you but that would rip my,
ninety wouldn't it? You Because i'm Already BUT i begrudge
having to put the fifty, on don't? YOU i GO

(01:17:17):
i go fifty for the wei one because he doesn't
have a choice in the, matter AND i don't want
him to blame me for bad parenting decisions later in.
Life but for, ME i got a thirty BECAUSE i
STILL i, STILL i still feel LIKE i need a
bit of that VITAMIN. D AND i don't want to
be feeling depressed all summer, long you, know from a
lack of VITAMIN. D SO i go for the. Thirty
but how how much would it rip your ninety if you, thought,

(01:17:38):
Gosh i'm just not browning up Like i'm putting on my.
Fifty i'm being responsible And i'm getting a bit of
sun And i'm so. Sad i'm, sad so. Depressed not browning.
Up it's because you got the seventy two on your,
skin haven't?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
You that's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Why, anyway what blows my mind about this is that
every single year we do, This every single year we
run these people down and you can't Do you had one,
job which is to put the right stuff in the right,
container and you're not doing. It and then every single
year they just keep on doing, it isn't it? Weird
six on The Rural.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Report with HIM Msd Animal health home of Rotovec corona
ends it's leading calf scars.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Vaccine six twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Three jamie McKay hosts of The country With us From Field.
Days Hey, Jamie Hello, heather how much fun are you having.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
A lot of?

Speaker 14 (01:18:25):
Fun i'm about to go out for a night on
the trom with The country.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Team are all in the? Background is that them?

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Laughing smoothing?

Speaker 14 (01:18:32):
Away now they're laughing at me for talking about a
night on the. Trom but, look, Honestly thursday night In
hamilton at Field days is as big as it. Gets
if you're from if you were right And gore Or
River star like.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Me, yeah this is a big. Lights now where do
you got to?

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Go big?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Lights?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Yeah where do you go when you go out In,
hamilton where.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Are we going?

Speaker 14 (01:18:52):
To Ben smith and McKenzie's shameless plug for that. Restaurant
but after that, here but, wait there's. More we go
to the Bates alehouse And, hamilton run by Former All
Black Aaron, penny and we have the unofficial you know
how we had The Radio awards last week and you're
The broadcaster of the year decade, CENTURY i don't, know

(01:19:13):
but we go out and have like The Rural broadcaster
of The. Year but it's just an absolute roast between,
ourselves media works and what are that other out?

Speaker 18 (01:19:22):
For Co Sport?

Speaker 14 (01:19:23):
Nation, yeah so that's just a few bears Spats.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
God and so tomorrow is it a complete right? Off
like are you going to be chugging back the ginger
beers and eating the McDonald's to try and make it?

Speaker 14 (01:19:35):
Through, no, no, no not at, All, HEATHER a drink
like a, man worked like a man the next.

Speaker 16 (01:19:40):
Day, now, Look i'll be home tucked up in good.

Speaker 14 (01:19:43):
Time nothing good happens after. Midnight back in the early
days thirty years, AGO i would burn the candle at both.
Ends but not, now Because, Heather i've got to do
serious rural reports like The situation And outlook for primary
industries reports which was released Today AND i know you're
dying to find out all, then, right so our primary

(01:20:04):
sector exports are worth nearly sixty billion fifty nine point nine, billion,
okay And, raysmith The Director general OF, mpi said he
wanted to tweak the accounting department just to get it
past sixty.

Speaker 20 (01:20:16):
Billion they died in the hole just shut sixty.

Speaker 16 (01:20:19):
Billion but here's the.

Speaker 14 (01:20:20):
Kicker they want primary sect direct who reached sixty five
point seven billion by twenty twenty, nine which is in four.
Years remember they set the target last year twenty four
primary sector exports in the next decade where they're going
to have to go a long way because they need
to get from fifty nine to about just over one

(01:20:41):
hundred billion to double. Exports so someone's going to have
to do the heavy. Lifting as it stands at the,
moment the dairy export industry up sixteen percent for the
year ended Thirtieth, june twenty seven billion dollars out of
the sixty that's nearly half meat and waller good solid
twelve Billion, hortico so a bit of a star of the.
Stable perhaps that's what we'll save bacon in the end

(01:21:04):
up nineteen percent to eight point five, billion forestry slightly
stagnant at six point three, billion And Shane jones's seafood
export revenue has lifted two percent to two point two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Billion brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Stuff, hey go and enjoy. Yourselves you will deserve it
and spend up large and help them. Out That's jamie,
McKay host of The. Country where did he say smith
in something or? Other if you want to see, him go,
there buy him a. Drink the man deserves. It, hey
what about The artit? Seady? Though am that thing that
happened over AND i don't know if you've seen this
broke down for. HOURS arditeeddi is the one that ran,

(01:21:37):
aground of course it. Is it left picked in at
about ten to nine last night and then it had
a bit of an unexpected issue with its propulsion, drive
so it was bobbing about in the. SOUNDS i think
it was The Queen charlotte. Sound they were waiting for
a specialist electrician to come out and fix. It the
electrician arrived fixed it one o'clock in the. Morning they
set off again and they went over To wellington and

(01:21:58):
then they were quite late To. Wellington so, anyway this
is the this is unfortunately fortunately only four people on
board of the rest was commercial. TRUCKS i feel sorry
for the freight industry because they are the ones having
to deal with this nonsense all of the. Time headlines
next and we'll have a chat To Sam dickey about
all THOSE i, pos.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Whether it's macro microbe or just playing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Economics it's all on The Business hours With Heather, Duplessy
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Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Future these talks at. Me if this world Man raman or, seven.

Speaker 16 (01:22:38):
If there's role as a, MAN i take, You, james
and if there's roll as, MINE i Take amusing Fun.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Brady is going to be with us out of THE
uk and ten minutes. Time do you REMEMBER i was
telling you maybe last week that there was The NATIONAL
mp who'd Berated Jacinda ardern In parliament and she's written
about it in her. Book we now know who it
is Is Amy. Adams we know that Because Audrey young
has put it in her. Column she says there is
only ONE mp who meets that, description had a bob

(01:23:05):
and was respected by, labor and it Was Amy, adams
which is what our sources in The National party had
also told. Us if you recall, also did you know
That Grant robinson has got his own memoir coming. Out
it's Called Anything Could happen and it's due out in
two months. Time, YAY i can't. Wait twenty four away from. Seven,
now after a couple of dire, years we're seeing the
number of companies listing on stock exchanges rise again AND

(01:23:28):
ipo is a key source of funding for, companies and
investors get very excited about. Them And Sam dickey From
Fisher funds is with me and very.

Speaker 10 (01:23:35):
Excited, sam he always very.

Speaker 16 (01:23:38):
Excited, wait good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Evening now give me some, context, yea how many IPOs
are happening at the, moment you, know globally and regionally
versus what we've had in the.

Speaker 10 (01:23:45):
Past, well the amount of IPOs globally tends to go
hand in hand with the amount of animal spirits or
enthusiasm in the stock. Market so if you were selling
a company you, own you'd prefer to sell it where
enthusiasm for stocks is. High so twenty twenty one is
a good being. There that was the everything. Bubble markets
were on. Fire second, end cars are on. Fire mean

(01:24:05):
stocks are on fire and the issuance of. IPOs then
over three thousand new companies were listed on The Stock
exchange that, year which is a staggering. Number and then
in twenty twenty two that issuance havel so half the
number of companies listed the next, year and then halved
again in twenty twenty.

Speaker 16 (01:24:21):
Three to give you a sense of.

Speaker 10 (01:24:22):
The, scale it picked up a little bit in twenty twenty.
Four but in THE, us for, example in the last few,
months the run rate of companies listing on The Stock
exchange is doubled as animal spirits are. Returning, now what's super,
interesting this is a bit of an, aside is in
the last year or Two india has been listing more
companies than THE. Us is that tiger economy continues to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
Grow our IPOs always good, investments though because there have
been some, shockers haven't.

Speaker 10 (01:24:48):
There definitely not always good. Investments and actually you AND
i did talk about this about eighteen months ago and
back in twenty twenty. Three of the ten largest IPOs
in THE us that four year period from twenty nineteen
to twenty twenty, three eighty percent of them were, underwater
and they were underwater by an average of forty, percent
but that was a bit of a harsh time period

(01:25:09):
because investors were sliding down that slippery slope off the
peak of the LAST opo cycle.

Speaker 16 (01:25:14):
In twenty twenty.

Speaker 10 (01:25:15):
One and if you think about, it when more than
twice as many companies as you would normally see lists
on the stock, market it's just a truism that many
of those IPOs will be lower. Quality so more, recently
as THE ipo cycle started picking, up usually you'll see
higher quality companies listing at the start in the middle
of the cycle than towards the, end and the returns
are much.

Speaker 16 (01:25:34):
Better so high profile IPOs in THE, us like Care.

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
We for, example AN ai infrastructure play And Circle, internet a,
cryptoplay have both done very, well up one hundreds of.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Percent how do you, KNOW i, mean if you're an
investor and you see AN, ipo how do you evaluate
whether it's a good one or?

Speaker 10 (01:25:49):
Not, well it's much trickier because as an investor looking
in from the outside, in there is always an information
imbalance when you evaluate listed. Company you can even know
as much about the management or the board of that
company as to what makes that company, tick and that
imbalance is extreme when it comes to AN ipo because

(01:26:10):
there is no decent historical track record to. Observe and
the other thing to remember is all of the smartest
people in the, room so the, owners the, management and the,
board the people who know the most about the company
are usually, selling not buying. Shares so that's that sort
of extreme, imbalance so that the bar to invest in
IPOs is. High but if you are going to invest in,

(01:26:31):
IPOs it's better to do it nearer the start of
THE ipo.

Speaker 16 (01:26:33):
Cycle when the number of listings is only just starting
to pick.

Speaker 10 (01:26:36):
Up and a final thing to remember, here there is
that many great, companies and.

Speaker 16 (01:26:40):
This is a new phenomenon in the last few.

Speaker 10 (01:26:42):
Years many great companies are choosing not to list on
the stock market at all these days to stay, private
and that's because they have access to ample capital from private.

Speaker 16 (01:26:52):
Investors and that's one of the many reasons keep you.

Speaker 10 (01:26:55):
Save providers Like fisher are moving more into the private
equity space and very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Stuff, hey thanks for talk going through, That, sam as,
always it's fascinating to talk to. You Sam dickie A Fisher.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Funds Heather duple See Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Heather this is the greatest tip for cleaning spills on
carpets with one hundred percent results on wool and. Synthetic
it's very easy when. Spills this is From. Carol WHEN'S
i always feel like a woman Called, carol you can
do you know WHAT i, mean like you can trust her.
INFORMATION A carroll knows what they're talking about when it
comes to the. House AND i don't know why that. Is,
Anyway it's easy when the spills. Occur you need to

(01:27:28):
flood the area with a lot of. Water you need
to agitate with your, fingers and then you need to
put folded towels on the area and stomp on the
same which is the. Towels the spill or the stain
is sucked up and removed into the, towels and, hey,
presto it's perfectly. Cleaned it's so. Simple pass it on
wool is the. Best you're. Welcome carol then followed that
up ten minutes. Later carol was thinking about, it and

(01:27:50):
then ten minutes later text me and, said read the
carpet cleaning in the prior. Text it must be done
immediately before the stain spells or. Dries best. Tip now
here's A, CAROL i think you're onto. It BUT i
word of, warning, okay because one TIME i lived in
a house which wasn't long, ago which the house that
it was renovating In, wellington and it had sort of
like a, LIKE i want to, say a beige, carpet

(01:28:13):
but it's more like a butter. Carpet but to say
it was butter makes it feel like that color was.
INTENTIONAL i don't. Know it just felt like it was just.

Speaker 19 (01:28:22):
Blu.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Yeah they kind of like, white, yellow, creamy crappy, color
do you know WHAT i? Mean, anyway SO i don't
know what. Happened there might have been something was spilled on.
IT i don't know what it. Was AND i did
exactly What carol told me to. Do there is a
thing that happens with carpet wool carpet's called, wicking WHICH
i hadn't experienced. Before and what that is is that,
actually sometimes if you do exactly, that you draw all

(01:28:43):
the impurities that have collected for the last fifty to
seventy years at the base of the, carpet at the
base of that wool, strand and by doing, that you
wick it all, up and now you've got whatever your
previous problem was you now have a giant problem because
it's all come up with the. Water so before you do,
THAT i feel Like carol's tip may be a good

(01:29:04):
tip if you if you have a newish, carpet do
you know WHAT i? Mean as opposed as opposed to
an oldish. Carpet oldish, carpet you at risk of wicking just,
anyway fact to order that and go TO ai ask
them what to, do they'll tell. You uber has put
out its list of the most the things that have
been lost and found in, cabs and there are some pretty,
weird like some of it you would. Expect are the
most common hours of the day to lose things are between.

(01:29:26):
Midnight it's midnight is a common. Time one am and
five am those are the. Hours so that's obviously when
you know your first wave of people are going home
sort of like midnight and one they are losing, things
and then you've got ANSWER's friends who are coming home at.
Five the top ten most forgotten items, clothing, backpacks, bags, phone, camera, jewelry, watch, makeup,

(01:29:47):
wallet's pursa's, umbrella, headphones, speakers, vape, keys, laptop you know
the usual. Stuff you're coming home from, work you're coming
home for a big night on the drinkies' that is
the stuff that you have with. You but the most
weird THINGS i have been lost a single. Tooth somebody
lost their tooth in the. UBER i feel like if you,

(01:30:08):
WERE i feel like if you were holding onto that
tooth and the hope that you could put that tooth back.
In this is a devastating loss few And i'm.

Speaker 17 (01:30:13):
SORRY i feel like that's something that you'd go back
for and try and find as.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
WELL i.

Speaker 17 (01:30:16):
WOULD i, mean it's always a bit of a drama
to ring up that try and ring up the, Driver
BUT i feel like for my, TOOTH i. WOULD i
would go to as much of an.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Extenty do you have any of your teeth at? Home an's,
no it's.

Speaker 17 (01:30:26):
Teeth you've got. TEETH i.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Do when they gave me my wisdom teeth WHICH i
had taken out in like about about twenty, twelve they
put in a little punnet AND i brought it back.

Speaker 17 (01:30:38):
And collecting teeth in your house to sort of thing
serial killers, do.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Yes but it's my, teeth. Okay but here's this is
the weird, thing because there was it came out of
my mouth and it had attachments of blood and flesh on.
It WHEN i opened the punnet after a, while it
was so, hit so. HIDEOUS i just just put the
back on and put it back in the drawer AND
i haven't opened it. Since SO i haven't opened it
in about a, decade SO i think the smell is,

(01:31:04):
gone But i'm not. SURE i also not brave enough
to have it lock. Anyway there's That Crusaders jersey golf. Clubs,
now how did you lose your golf? Clubs BECAUSE i
feel like you should have known that you had left
your golf. Clubs if you're going somewhere with your golf,
clubs they are the item that's like leaving your baby
behind your. Wardo you're fishing rod a silver. Walkman somebody
was still rocking a walkman in twenty twenty. Five Louis

(01:31:27):
vuitton sunglasses does not feel unique to. Me that just
feels like somebody drunk forgot them a hip. Brace somebody
forgot a piece of paper with a contact list on
it that should be reported to the. Police that's. Creepy some,
champagne A christmas, hand a chili bin was left. Behind once,
again you probably, drunk aren't? You and A Captain America lego.

(01:31:49):
Set so you go if you're, going oh My Captain
America lego. Set it's in The uber sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
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Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Envy indebrady ARE uk correspondents with a Cello.

Speaker 13 (01:32:11):
Inde, Hey, heather great to speak to you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Again not looking good on THE gdp, front is?

Speaker 13 (01:32:17):
It it's not Really and today was meant to be
the big reset off the back of yesterday's spending review
By Rachel, reeves who's The chancellor the finance minister, here
so horror, mantra and the narrative was that they were
investing and spending and we're going to see a decade
over a newell in THE, uk an awful lot of

(01:32:37):
money being outlined as rail projects and you, know a
new nuclear, plant get pink things moving again and get
money back in people's. Pockets and in the last forty
five minutes we've just had THE gdp figures come out
for the last month and THE uk economy has shrunk
by zero point three. Percent now what they're saying is behind.
This it's Clearly trump's tariffs that a lot OF uk

(01:33:00):
manufacturing front loaded exports To america to try and get
round what he was. Doing but it's having a big.
Impact and if this keeps going, ON i think this
would be the big fear For starmer And reeves here
that if this keeps going on month by month the
economy keeps shrinking zero point three, percent this is very bad.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
News, yeah. Totally, hey listen On. Ireland what's it going
to take to get the stuff to calm?

Speaker 13 (01:33:23):
Down so we've just had a third consecutive night of
violence in the town Of ballymena in The north Of.
Ireland and what's behind. This this is nothing to do
with any of the what you might call traditional historic
issues between the two communities in The north Of. Ireland
this is all over an alleged sexual assault in the

(01:33:44):
town Of ballamina earlier this. Week the victim was a
teenaged local girl allegedly attacked by two fourteen year Old.
Romanians now they were, arrested they were brought to court
and the boys spoke only through A romanian. Interpreter and
obviously simmering tensions in the community so for three consecutive

(01:34:05):
nights we have seen. Rioting we have seen properties belonging
to people who are not born on the island Of
ireland that have been, Attacked vehicles set, alight dozens of
police officers, injured and last night it took a very sinister.
Twist so people who have been burned out with their
own properties have now been moved temporarily to a leisure
center in the town of Larn and what happened last

(01:34:27):
night was a gang turned up and tried to burn
down the leisure. Center so the police are so stretched
they've had to call in extra personnel From Police scotland
to come and back up and. Backfill it's, very very.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
Worry but what's it going to take to get them
to calm, down do you?

Speaker 13 (01:34:45):
Think, LOOK i think the big fear here would be
that as we head into, summer you, know there are
traditional parades from one particular community in The north Of
ireland that happened During. July you, know we've seen summers
of discontent in The north Of ireland previously where there
have been community flash. Points all of that had mostly gone.

(01:35:05):
Away life was, good but this alleged sexual assault has
just been the tinder spark really this week that has
kind of created such kind of chaos and it was
interesting The Assistant Chief constable Of Police Service Northern ireland
coming out this week and warning people if you, riot
you will be prosecuted and then you could go to
prison and that has not even put people.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Off, Jeez, inda thank you for talking AS i really appreciate.
It Into brady A uk corresponding you that business In.
IRELAND i don't know if you've been keeping an eye on,
that but that's pretty rough what's going on there, here.
Though i'm more surprised that The yuba driver went through
the whole reporting process for a single tooth Nine away
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
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Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
For six away From goodness me it's actually siven away
from sevens or just don't even know WHAT i was talking,
about Siven away From sive and, LISTEN i got to
talk to you about what's going on In. Syria do
you remember when the new guys took over In, syria they, said,
hey don't worry about, It we're not going to go
all weird on. You we're not going to turn this
place into Like taliban Run. Afghanistan Now i'm not saying

(01:36:14):
that that they're doing, that but they have already started
to take a step in that, direction and a very small,
step but it's a step in that. Direction so what
they've decided is that women who go to public beaches
have to wear burkinis or other decent, clothes and this
is at swimming pools as. Well there are exemptions because
they obviously want to court the tourists, still so there's
still exemptions for private, beaches, clubs and, pools as well

(01:36:35):
as hotels with more than four. Stars men don't get
away with nakes. Either men have to wear a shirt
when they are not, swimming and they are not allowed
to be bare chested outside the swimming. Areas, now they
maintain their adamant they're not going to get all weird
and you, know prescriptive on people and how they. Dress
but already you can see that things are Not, yeah

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it's not great when they tell you how you have
to look when you're at the, beach is it? Now
AS i know that you love yourself a, dinosaur so, yes,
yeah big. Fan have you heard of the Khang kulou.
Mongoliensis Khan kulou.

Speaker 17 (01:37:11):
Mongoliansis that's a new.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
One, no, no, Okay so the Khan Koloo mongoliensis was
first discovered in it means the dragon prince Of mongol
and it was first discovered very very, cool it isn't?
It it is cool A it was first discovered back
in the nineteen, seventies but originally was was wrongly assigned
to the wrong. Species and the species that it was

(01:37:34):
it was put down to Was electrosaurus.

Speaker 17 (01:37:37):
Electrosaurus AND i don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
One, no it's. Electrosaurus and so, anyway for the last
fifty years they have, thought, oh it's just a little
dinosaur called like that belongs to the. Electrosaurus but somebody
went back recently and had a look and was, like,
no hanging a, tick this is not an. Electrosaurus this,
is in fact the daddy of the t. Rex so
this comes before the t, rex and it's it's an

(01:38:01):
Early it was during The jurassic period where these little
dudes were running around much smaller than a t. REX
i can't Believe i'm teaching you about dinosaurs much smaller
than a t rex would have weighed about seven hundred
and fifty cag's and as you, know the t rex
could be eight times.

Speaker 17 (01:38:14):
Sorry, sorry much more seven hundred and fifty. Cag's, Yes oh,
okay so, tiny isn't. IT i MEAN i could PROBABLY
i could probably beat one in a, fight Suld, no.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
This, guy this guy stood no chance against. You AND
i started to have the jaw power of the t,
rex and basically is what evolved into the t. Rex
and they their arms are not kind of as like
weird and. Small they've got a little. Bit it looks
a little, bit but it's prove weird and. Small, anyway
there you, Go there you. Go there's something to add
to your dinosaur.

Speaker 17 (01:38:39):
KNOWLEDGE i, mean if any evidence exists that we should
GET i should get back into. Dinosaurs clearly they're discovering
even cooler stuff than you know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
About the science is not, settled and the science is
not far from.

Speaker 17 (01:38:51):
SETTLED a sad one to follow that. Up, unfortunately for
the other song we're going to go out with, TONIGHT
i get around by The Beach. Boys, Obviously Brian wilson
has at eighteen. Two we haven't given any details about
how exactly he, died But the family announced the death
on the web, page and he was very much seen
as the founder and the principal creative, force and was
one of the co writers of the song as WHILE

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I get.

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Around wonderful, band terribly sad life, anyway enjoy and we'll
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Gusty because it wouldn't be right.

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