Full Show Podcast: 13 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spin to find the real story.
Oring It's Heather due for the Elan Drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Jacinda has said no to the COVID inquiry. We'll have
a chat to Senior National MP Chris Bishop about that.
Former Speaker David Carter on what just happened in Parliament
today and has Erica removed Maori words from kids reading
books for good reason or not?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Heather do for Sea Ellen?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, well, I can't blame you if your assessment of
Parliament today is that it's become a circus, because what
happened today is kind of hard to defend or we
even explain. Chloe was kicked out. Brownley suspended her for
a week. All of the government parties voted for that punishment,
and that includes New Zealand. First before Winston Peters then
got up to tell Jerry Brownie that the punishment wasn't
fair even though he just voted for the punishment, and

(00:57):
then Debbie got up and said the C word again.
Now Chloe did actually break the rules. I mean, this
is another one of those seemingly arbitrary or hard to
explain rules in Parliament that MPs can't accuse each other
of being cowards. Nick Smith did it in two thousand
and three. He accused MPs of not across the House
of not having the spine to debate a vote. He
withdrew and apologized. Steve Chadwick did it in two thousand

(01:19):
and seven. She accused the opposition of being absolutely gutless
and spineless. She withdrew and apologized. John Key did it
in twenty fifteen quite famously when he yelled at labor
to get some guts over the war. But he got
away with it and actually probably shouldn't have. So Chlobe
did break the rules. But then Debbie got up and
said the sea word and she didn't break the rules.
So explain that. How is accusing other MPs of being

(01:41):
spineless worse than dropping the sea bomb in the House
of Representatives. I mean, sure one is aimed at someone,
the other one is just a swear word that's been dropped.
But when you get into explaining that level of nuance
on offensiveness, I think you've lost the audience. Plus, why
is Jerry brownly all of a sudden, the tough cop.
I mean, this is the guy who was wringing his
hands over the Maldi Party getting kicked out of Parliament

(02:02):
for three weeks for the hucker in David Seymour's face,
and for refusing to turn up to the Privileges Committee,
and for then leaking the recommended punishment from the Privileges Committee.
But when Chloe says basically the same thing that John
Key once said without punishment, Jerry comes down on her
like a ton of bricks. Frankly, none of this makes
sense anymore. I mean it does on a level of
detail and minutia, sure, but explaining it to a normal

(02:22):
person no sense whatsoever. But guess who's loving this. Chloe's
loving this because Chloe's learned from Tapasimardi and the Hucker
that there's one sure fire away to get attention, and
that's to break the rules of Parliament and not be sorry.
What a circus.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Heather doups the al.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Don't you win? Nineteen is the text number, As I said,
David Carter with us after five o'clock on that Also,
I'm going to run you through everything so you're completely
up to speed before we get to David Now on
another matter, there is a growing chorus of Auckland voices
who are calling for more action to help Auckland's economy
thrive again. Simon Bridges from the Chamber of Commerce is
called for corporate tax cut. Mayor Wayne Brown has now

(03:02):
renewed calls for a bed tax. Viv Back from Heart
of the City is with us on this, haybiv Viv,
I like, well, sorry for stuffing up. You know what
a start. Hey, listen, do you agree with these guys
that there is not enough help at the moment for Auckland.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, I do absolutely, And I think the operative word
you just said then is action and I think speed
because things do tend to go round and round of it.
And you look at that bed tax. If the government
doesn't like it, what there needs to be is discussion
around what are the alternatives so that we actually can
get moving. Because we're talking to people on the street,
businesses who have struggled through ten years as you know here,

(03:40):
and they need people, they need customers, they need people
here and events are a proven way of doing that.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
So what's your preference. Is it for a corporate tax
rate cut or is it for a bed tax?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Well, tax cuts are sort of a little bit out
of our organizational field, but the reality is what we
deal with. There's a lot of street trading businesses that
need people here and we can't just have this sort
of stalemate stuff where things don't go anywhere. So we
need people here. If they don't like a bed tax,
give us our GST back and let us get on

(04:12):
with it. America's cup was a great example, totally missed opportunity,
and I think with a different attitude that could have
been a different outcome.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
So what do you think is going wrong? Do the
guys and I mean, do you sheep this home to
central government?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, I think it can't all go back there. But
I look at our situation here and it's going to
need all the players working together with speed to determine
how we actually get the action we need. You look
at crime that's worked. It's had a minister that's been
wanting to sort of grab it and get on with it.
We've had all the right people here working together and

(04:47):
we've had a significant reduction in crime. We met Minister's
Bishop and Brown last week and said we need the
same level of ministerial support to deal with the social issues. Oh,
that is troubling a lot of our businesses and many others,
and we want it's an attitude with the right people
working together to make stuff happen. And it actually can

(05:09):
happen on social issues because it happened before COVID.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Right, and so who would be the right minister? Who's
the minister who you think should be the one who
does something here?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well?

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Actually, on social issues it's cross agency. Mental health has
been missing an action. We need mental health, we need housing.
So we've got Minister Bishop's attention, Minister Brown, and also
we do need Louise Upstein because at the end of
the day, this is it affects tourism and it's a
social development issue. So it's a cross agency approach. Actually,

(05:41):
we don't think it needs more money. It's actually how
do we work together to solve the issue, make sure
people are housed thoughtfully with the right support, that we've
got the right mental health support for them. Before COVID
we had two hundred rough sleepers successfully housed, and we've
developed a great alternative to begging, bold and aspirational and

(06:01):
make stuff happen.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Do you think that they do not realize in other
parts of the country like perhaps in Wellington, how bad
it is in central Auckland.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I don't think they do. And when I presented at
the COVID inquiry recently, I had it on a graph
the stark reality of the central city versus the rest
of Auckland versus the rest of New Zealand, that it
may not be as severe as it was during COVID,
but the gap is still there. They need to understand that.
I heard the Prime Minister say this afternoon. Apparently he

(06:30):
said something like, well, they're getting a six billion dollar rail.
You cannot seriously think that you're going to open up
a rail and it's mysteriously going to imagically going to
take away the woes of ten years of disruption, the
worst impacts of COVID in the country and the residual
social issues is not going to happen. So we've said
to ministers last week, please be cautious about this. We

(06:53):
need action urgently and it's not all on them, but
they need to work with us locally and not leave
the small business voice out.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's critical to this.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
You don't want to go to a city without retail
and hospitality on the on the streets.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Fair point, Viv, thank you so much. Viv Beck, Heart
of the city. Fourteen past four here there on a
sick day, decided to watch question Time for the first
time in a while. What the actual heck was that?
And they wonder why the voter turnout is poor. I
couldn't believe the sea bomb. Tell you what we could?
We all ready we were, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
I was a little bit disappointed in Chloe. I thought,

(07:26):
at the very least, sure should get the Sergeant of
Arms to manhandle her out the door. So we were
all very excited about it. We put on the big
TV in the newsroom and like the entire crowd, there
was a crowd of people I didn't think were normally
interested in politics were all coming to have a look
at it. And so anyway, the crowds would have dwindled
as it went on and on, and Chippy was sucking
the life out of everything as he does, you know,
with his points of order and stuff. But there was
a little crew still hanging around and we were kind

(07:48):
of like fiddling on our our phones and half listening.
But when that sea bomb dropped, everybody looked up and went,
h yeah, because it was the sea bomb And how
is that not worse? How is that not worse than
saying spine? Anyway, I'll get you across that shortly. This
is important news. The second week of the public hearings
of the COVID Committee has been canceled because Jacinda and

(08:09):
Grant and Chippy and I shall have as I told
you all said no, they're not going to give evidence publicly.
They said they've already given written comment and they reckon
that repeating their answers in a public hearing would be
performative rather than informative, which is unbelievably ironic coming from
the Queen of performance, Jacinda. But you know, maybe she's
had enough of it for a lifetime because I have. Frankly,

(08:31):
they're obviously cowards. They're happy to turn up to run
up the bills, shut up the place. But then then
I want to front up and answer the questions. Very disappointing,
but then again, water surprise. We'll have a chat as
I say to Chris Bishop about that after five and
Barrysoba with his thoughts in half an hour's time. At
sixteen past.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Four, it's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
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Speaker 2 (08:55):
Hither as part of my work, I've been to every
Australian capital this year, plus London, Bulldau and a couple
of other international destinations. And I can honestly say that
Auckland CBD is dead and we need help, and we
need help quickly. Thank you for that. Eighteen past four
and Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters of me, Hello, Darce.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Isn't death beyond help?

Speaker 6 (09:12):
We have dead?

Speaker 7 (09:13):
What are they going to do?

Speaker 8 (09:14):
Now?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You've forgotten the story of Lazarus and Jesus. Actually, for
that matter, you can come back.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
I didn't forget that.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's possible to come back, but I just don't believe it.
Tomighty Martin Hay.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah, well he's got another year.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Only a year.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
I don't know what to make of this. Only a year,
you'd think more. I was talking with one of my
colleagues at the Herold, Alex Powell. He seems to think
he wonders with Metcalf how long hell actually lasts? And
this might be a bit of a let's just wait
and see, because of course, as a young man who
has had an incredible career so far, I expect to

(09:51):
be quite in demand, so maybe they're just covering bases.
I think Tomighty Martin doesn't want to go anywhere. He's
a fantastic player, plays all over the back line. I
thought he would get the knot on the halves at
the start of this, but he didn't. So he's just
signed and said, look, I'm here for another year.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, So was that his choice or theirs? Do you
think for a year?

Speaker 5 (10:11):
I'd say theirs. I'd say, you will sign on. You
want some kind of value consistency in your contract, but hey,
look this basic contracts in the NRL.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Really Nah, So we're having a UFC fight at the
White House alway.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
I still can't wear I looked at the date. What
day is the thirteenth of No, that's not April Fall's day?
Is it somewhere in August Falls date?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Trumpy did say that he was going to do this
a few months.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Trumpy, it's a bit familiars forty seven. He's the leader
of the free world or something. Forty seven will call him, right,
Why forty seven.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Is the forty seventh president of state?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Count when he got ten forty five?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You get to choose, but yes.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
More numbers, right?

Speaker 5 (10:54):
So Apparently this is going to be July fourth, which
is a rather auspicious day when it comes to Themurricans,
they get a bit happy about that happening next year,
the next year, and what's happened next year on the fourth?

Speaker 7 (11:04):
What's the date?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Why is it relevant?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Fourth of July?

Speaker 9 (11:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Beyond that, I believe it's the two hundred and fifty
years celebration around then, isn't it. And they're going to
celebrate by sticking all of violence in the White House.
They're going to do it in the Opal Office.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
You can't accuse Donald Trump of being classy, can you?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Much the working man.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
If they do it in the in the office or
somewhere in the White House, they're going to have to
redoal the chintz and gold because it will be really
bad for the lighting that WWE is going to be
next Wow, the body's been thrown off death.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Tell me quickly, what are you doing tonight?

Speaker 5 (11:41):
What am I doing tonight? I'm actually talking about the
complete lack of volunteers in Speah.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I saw that there currently.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, and it's like, wow, I had no idea. How brief?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Isn't it down forty percent or something?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Amateur Association in the different areas, and why that's actually stopping,
why that's not getting any tracks, and what can be
done to lift it up again, because this is the
this is the heart of not only sport that you
think in a number of areas, the heart of the
community totally the local class.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know what. It's good for kids to have their
parents there. So it's a pity that this has happening now.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
I mean, it's just like putting the crash taggle bags
up on the posts or anything like that. I think
a lot of it is people get dragged in. They've
got one thing, next thing. You know, they're carrying the
whole club about it, right, So we'll find out why,
and we'll find out what we can do about it,
and we'll ask mums and dads and people in the community,
why are they doing?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, Darcy, thank you. Looking forward to it, Darcy water Grave,
sports Talk host. Back at seven, we'll deal with Chloe
Showdown next.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Sport with tab bed Live with in play R eighteen
there responsibly moving the big stories of the day forward.
It's Hither Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected the news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
There's been bit of mixed reporting on this one. Wasn't
actually sure wherev Lotimir Selenski stood on it whether he
was prepared to because they said no, he wasn't prepared
to give up any land to putin. Then he was
prepared to give up land to putin. Now he's not
prepared to give up land to putin anymore. So we
have a chat to Jonathan Kearney out of the US
for US in about fifteen minutes. Right now it's twenty
five past four. So this is how Chloe getting kicked

(13:15):
out went down.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
I write Chloe Swrawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an
offensive comment made in the house yesterday.

Speaker 10 (13:23):
I won't be doing that, missus speaker.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
On the way out, she finally left after a bit
of who whatever, and then finally on her way out
she shouted, never will leave the house.

Speaker 11 (13:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
That was free Palestine. In case you missed it, Jerry
did not have an A plus day.

Speaker 8 (13:43):
The question is that Chloe Swarbrick, The question is that
the Chloe Swarbrick be named.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Ye, and then he got that wrong, and then he
had to do that again because Justinda's little Helper got
up and was a bit of a pedant about it.

Speaker 12 (13:59):
The standing orders are She's quite specific about a motion
to suspend a member and the words that you need
to use as speaker in order to do so. You haven't,
I believe, followed the requirements of the standing orders. So
I wonder whether you could indicate to us what the
motion that the house just voted on actually was.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
And then even after voting for Chloe to be punished,
Winston stood up and spoke up in her defense.

Speaker 13 (14:22):
My personal view is that I don't agree with the
thing that Chloe Swall have said at all, But this
is a robot house where people have a right to
express their abews as passionate as they may, within certain rules.
But I do not think that eviction was warranted.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Then Willie felt left out.

Speaker 14 (14:38):
You have kicked me out twice for calling another member
a liar, and then I have been out of the
house for less than thirty minutes and you gave a
direction that I could come back into the house. I
did not apologize, and I would never apologize. Not Harry,
thank you, thank you very much, and I'd be happy
to repeat what I said again if you like.

Speaker 10 (14:59):
Mister Bisha and.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
He couldn't let the moment pass without being completely over
the top with respect. I think missus BEEGI, this is outrageous,
and then Debbie felt left out. I understand the need
for you to make a rule in on what you
find offensive. As honorable Winston Peters has alluded to there
were many of us that were offended by the word. Yep,

(15:20):
that just just a little drop of the You're happy
that we beaped it for you, which is not the
experience that I had. Have you all feel real proud
of yourselves today, grown ups in the House of Parliament.
David Carter on all of that later headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talk.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 14 (16:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
We're going to the US in a few minutes. Barry
So is standing by going to give us has taken
politics in ten minutes time. Hamas has applauded the Albanesi
government's decision to recognize Palestine. Hamas is calling on other
countries to do the same and recognize Palestine. Hamas is
also arguing that the move by Australia and other Western

(16:25):
governments has vindicated its massacre of innocent Israelis on October seven.
So that's cool for ALBANIESI, isn't it. He just got
the thumbs up from a listed terrorist group twenty four
away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Trump's meeting with Putin is set to be held in Anchorage, Alaska,
on Friday local time. Carolyn Levitt is talking the meeting up.

Speaker 15 (16:48):
The President of the United States getting in the room
with the President of Russia, sitting fast to face rather
than speaking over the telephone. We'll give this president the
best indication of how to end this war and where
this has had him.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Russia says its horses and Denesque are making significant advances.
A Ukrainian politicians says. Ukraine says Putin rather has been
given too much leeway.

Speaker 16 (17:08):
When President Trump gave put In fifty days to finish
his summer offensive before he plans to implement sanctions, this
is exactly what we warrant against the Drussia will be
able to make some advancements at the front line.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Looks like the Aussies are all getting pay rises Australia's
latest wage price index is up zero point eight percent
for the quarter, a three point four percent increase since
this time last year. Treasurer Jim Chalmers is celebrating.

Speaker 17 (17:33):
This shows that the Albanesi labor government is making meaningful
progress when it comes to ensuring that more Australians earn
more and keep more of what they earn.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
And finally, a most in Switzerland has been issued a
one hundred and eighty thousand dollars speeding fine. Why so high?
Will three reasons? The driver was caught doing twenty seven
k's over the limit. Number two, they are serial offender
and three. In Switzerland, speeding finds are based on the
offender's income, So this person is one of the country's
wealthy as people and don't worry, they can probably afford it.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Jonathan Curves the US correspondents with US Now.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
Hey, Jonathan Heathery.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Always amazing to talk to you with the wonderful listeners
across New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, mate, I really appreciate your time. So tell me
about these National Guard troops. What's going on.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
National Guard troops rolling into the heart of Washington DC.
This was announced by Donald Trump yesterday. Essentially, he says
he wants to try and bring crime under control. He
says it is one of the most dangerous cities in
the world. The local city has essentially disputed that and
said that they are seeing violent crime at thirty year lows.
But needless to say, Donald Trump says he's moving in

(18:48):
the National Garden today.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
They came in.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
We've seen them rolling around in humbies around the National
Monument up around the National Mail up there, which is
a very very popular tourist site. It was a very calm,
sunny evening by all looks of it, as the hubbies
rolled in as the sun set. Rather picturesque if you're
a tourist looking to get a slice of America and
see some National Guard out of patrol. Unusual for Washington

(19:10):
d C. We've obviously seen them in California, in Los
Angeles during the immigration protests that took place here a
matter of a few weeks or so ago now, but
he is making that is the President of the United
States is making a very firm message he wants to
crack down hard in Washington d c itself for the
White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt said earlier today there'd
been some twenty three arrests, and they were already pointing

(19:32):
to signs of success on this crackdown. It is expected
to last thirty days. Any longer, he's going to have
to go to Congress and ask for a little bit
of an extension. But this is a message he is
sending loud and clear. He says he is prepared to
roll this out in other cities, including Chicago, including New York,
if he deems it necessary, and he could well take
further steps. He could well bring in more military, actual

(19:54):
military beyond the National Guard.

Speaker 9 (19:56):
That has not been ruled out.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
So the President of the United States is sending a very,
very firm message that in the nation's capital, a nation
he says he wants to make beautiful again. He is
not going to take the issue of law and order
lying down. He's going to tackle it head on himself.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Jonathan, it's not really a surprise that Zelensky hasn't been
invited to this meeting, is it.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Well. I think some quarters, certainly within the Trump administration
may have been holding out hope that he could be
involved in some way, shape or form in this summit. Essentially,
it came down to one response from Carolina Levett, Donald
Trump's press secretary, today, and that was that it was
Vladimir Putin who called for the summit, Vladimir Putin who
asked for the meeting with Donald Trump. So that is

(20:41):
the reason they are saying that Vladimir Zlensky was not invited.
We've already heard the Ukrainian President in the last sort
of twenty hours or so issue a pretty firm warning
to the West that he believes Russia is actually not
seeking peace but on the verge of a new offensive.
This is going to be bigger than Ben heard this summit.
Donald Trump and Vladimir pus and have met previously in

(21:01):
the first administration, the Historic Summit in twenty eighteen and
Nelsinki in Finland. They met again in Osaka, Japan a
matter of a year or so later. And now the
White House is essentially also trying to water down any
expectations out of this summit, essentially saying, look, this is
going to be a listening exercise for US President Donald Trump.
He wants to hear what Vladimir Putin has to say.
He wants to stare at him across from the table

(21:23):
and find out exactly what position he believes the Russian
president is in and how far the Russian President is
willing to go to.

Speaker 9 (21:31):
Get towards any sort of sex file.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Already they're talking about things like land swaps and what
could be handed to Russia and what could be handed
to Ukraine. But a lot of commentators, a lot of
experts here are essentially saying that is well beyond the
pale of where they are now. They're not even at
a ceasefire stage yet, so talking about land swaps is
almost the end mark before the full stop to any
sort of conflict. So there's certainly some way from that.

(21:54):
But it looks like that this summit on Friday US time,
that's going to be Saturday in New Zealand time, is
going to be a joint US military base outside Anchorage
in Alaska, which is going to be a fascinating backdrop. Essentially,
you have the Russian president on US soil, inside a
US Army facility, military facility, potentially trying to discuss some

(22:16):
sort of an end to the conflict with Ukraine, and
the idea that essentially he is dictating the terms of
this summit already, and he is the invited guest. Is
certainly raising some eyebrows before we even get to Alaska.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Too right, too right? I mean, this is high stake
stuff for Trumpy. Now is Taite going back on his
the Boyfriend's podcast again?

Speaker 8 (22:37):
Is she?

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well, she teased out a promo clip yesterday. This is
the New Heights podcast that he's done by Travis.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Kelch hold on, Jonathan. So yesterday's wasn't an appearance that
was just a little promo.

Speaker 11 (22:48):
Was it?

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yesterday? Yesterday's was the little tease clips she dropped out.
So remember those numbers she put out? Twelve twelve on
the twelfth of August was when essentially her website went
live with the idea of this new album that is coming,
which is going to be absolutely gang bust is obviously
for her, and she used a promo clip that she
has recorded already with the New Heights podcast of the

(23:10):
Kelsey Brothers. This is a podcast in the United States
that attracts millions of listeners. It's worth one hundred million
US dollars alone. And obviously her significant bo is Travis Kelce,
the Kansas City Star, and they have been dating for
a significant period of time now and you can see
in this clip there appearing alongside each other. Travis's brother
is obviously in another location, but behind a Tata herself. Obviously,

(23:33):
swifties have been looking into the eggs that have been
dropped in months gone by and into the background of
the images as to what sort of clues the books
on the shelf they have left behind, what the photos
and the photos frames put you know too much, Alla,
we know is orange mate?

Speaker 9 (23:49):
Look.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
We have spent a lot of time digging into this
over the course the last twenty four hours. We have
had a huge amount of people pouring over almost every detail,
much probably like your office has, into every detail, every
clue about what could be the centerpiece to Taylor Swift's
new album, The color Orange Look. She's had an issue
with the US President Donald Trump. He's been described as
looking at rather orange at times. Could there be I

(24:12):
don't know, a little beef continue on this album, I'd
say ent entirely unlikely. But essentially what you're going to
see is a monster album dropping October. The fans are
going to get incredibly excited, and it's certainly a case
of watched this face that podcast actually goes live. We
are less than twenty four hours away. Now, it's going
to be fascinating to hear exactly what more Taylor has

(24:33):
to say, not only about this album, maybe a relationship
with Travis. Maybe she's going to announce she's gone to
New Zealand and spending maybe a New Zealand wedding and wedding.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Every time, every time I thought you got to the
end of it, you had some more to say on Tayay.
It's unbelievable. Jonathan, don't tell me you're not excited. I
appreciate it. Jonathan Kursley US corresponding. You know he's got
he's sitt an alarm on his watch, doesn't he He's
like Siri set an alarm for when Taylor Swift. Actually
I wonder that work hold on. So he set an
alarm for when Taylor Swift's podcast goes live. Nah, it doesn't.

(25:06):
The watch is not ready for it. I just thought
that would that would be quite a cool gimmick. Actually, anyway,
Barry Soap is next on Politics, Quarter to Politics.

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Speaker 2 (25:17):
You might have caught up on the secondary school teachers
are going to be striking Next Wednesday. Ericus Stanford and
Judith Collins are going to hold a press conference at
quarter past five dealing with that, so we'll get you
across that. We will also speak to the PPTA after
six thirteen away from five. Barrisoper, Senior Political Correspondence with us. Now,
hey Barry, good afternoon. Okay, So the house, the circus
that was the house today, Well it was.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
A bit of a circus, wasn't it. And the main
clown on the circus was Chloe Swarbrick herself. She played
it like a fiddle. I mean it played right into
her hands. Everybody's talking about Chloe Swarbrick refusing to apologize.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That makes her the ring master, doesn't it.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
Well, maybe the ring master or the clown. I would
prefer to you see it as.

Speaker 18 (25:58):
So this is how it.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
All un folded in Parliament fearly predictably, I would have thought.
Although the intervention from Winston Peters wasn't expected, here they are.

Speaker 8 (26:07):
I invite Chloe Strawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an
offensive comment made in the House yesterday.

Speaker 10 (26:14):
I won't be doing that, Missus Speaker.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
Then the Member will leave the house who were refusing
to leave the house. I therefore name Chloe Swrawbrick. Question
is that the Chloe Swarbrick be named. The eyes are
sixty eight, The nose of fifty four of the motion
is the greed the member will leave the house the

(26:38):
point of one of the right Honorable Winston Peters, the Speaker.

Speaker 13 (26:41):
I've been in this house when a pomist accused the
oldition of being or getting some guts for a serious accusation.
Nothing happened, and then worse, I heard the sea word
being accepted as a language of commused in this house.
My personal view is that I don't agree with the
thing that Chloe Swarbick said at all. But this is
a rob house where people have a right to express

(27:03):
their views as passionate as they may, within certain rules.
But I do not think that eviction was warranted. Well,
let me just respond to that. What standard does the
house want to set for itself? My job is to
make sure that this house is a house of representatives
but deals respectfully with each other.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah, well, the House in recent years he has gone
from bad to worse. I mean, you know, people wearing
sneakers into their House jeans, T shirts, hats, no ties.
I think the Business Committee has to meet and they
have to understand that this House should be respected more

(27:46):
than it has been under these circumstances. So it was
interesting when I read the oral questions that were set
down for today. Chloe s Warlbrock had the fourth question
on the order paper and I thought, well, maybe she's
going to do the right thing to keep order in Parliament,
stand up and apologize. Why would she have the question there? Well, anyway, basically,

(28:09):
needless to say, she didn't get to ask the question
because she was out of the House and basically she's
gone for the rest of the week. Asking her a
question was her sidekick Mariama Davidson, who didn't get much
satisfaction from the place.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Does he agree that Benjamin Netta know who's lost the
plot quote? And if so, when will he sanction Israel?

Speaker 19 (28:32):
Well, again, those were comments that I made about my
personal observations of Israel attacking Gaza City overnight, which was utterly,
utterly unacceptable. Was what the global community has called for
for a long time. New Zealand has called for for
a long time with its partners to say Israel, you
need to be listening to the global community, and that
has not been happening.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
And indeed, hither this is what he said before he
went into the house.

Speaker 19 (28:56):
I think what's happening in Gaza is utterly, utterly appalling.
Nettiyahoo has gone way too far. I think he has
lost the plot and I think that you know, what
we're saying overnight with the attack on Gaza City is utterly,
utterly unacceptable, and that's what we have been calling for
as international community now for a long period of time.
He is not listening to the international community.

Speaker 7 (29:17):
I don't know why I couldn't have said that in
the house.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah. Interesting, Now what do you make of the fact
that Jacinda and Aisha and Grant and Chippee have decided
not to talk about what they did to us?

Speaker 7 (29:27):
Well, you know, we listened to the pulpit of truth
for so long, and all the aforementioned were at it
at one time or another. The Prime Minister durn at
it every basically every day when we're counting COVID numbers,
and one would have thought that this COVID inquiry, it
would be expected of them that they would appair well.

(29:50):
The COVID inquiry basically will not be proceeding with public
He says, no longer justified because the main players are
Dern former Prime Minister of course at the time, well
not at the time, Chris Hopkins, Grant Robertson, Ashaverel. None

(30:11):
of them are going to turn up. Yeah, they have
given evidence, but one would have thought they could have
for the sake of the country to be happy to
turn up and answer some questions. Now they shouldn't be
put in stocks.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That was a joke obviously, course, but it's not good
for the brand, is it.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
It's not just you know, I have the courage of
your conviction.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Right Barry, Thanks very much. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence
eight away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast if.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Your Prime Minister David Seymour back.

Speaker 19 (30:43):
Well, this is part of the problem with the Palestinian
debaate and you get people, unfortunately like Chloe, who lose
the plot.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
And that's the difficulty of the debate.

Speaker 19 (30:49):
Doesn't You can't have a debate because there'll be someone
in the room like her that goes nuts.

Speaker 20 (30:53):
Well, I thought we kind of reached peak. Chloe Swawber,
you had the moral supremacy just like all extremists, the
idea that causes so right, you don't have to follow
the rules. You can just assert it over everybody else,
even if it stops the institution functioning. And I just
make the point that how can you call for an
international rules based order when you can't follow the basic
rules in your own workplace.

Speaker 9 (31:14):
She should be able to debate on the issues.

Speaker 21 (31:16):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
Rain Drover News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's four away from five. Now listen on this business
of Chippy and the rest of them, the rest of
the cohort not wanting to appear before the COVID committee.
Chippy's explained why he doesn't want to give evidence.

Speaker 12 (31:33):
I provided written evidence to the inquiry. I answered every
question that they had. I attended the interview that they
scheduled for me. They had asked for two hours. They
ran out of questions after an hour. They've indicated they
have no further questions for me. At that point, they
then asked me to repeat my answers again, to attend
another process where I would repeat my answers again. I'd

(31:57):
already answered all of their questions and they themselves that
it wasn't a matter of gathering any further information.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Now, it's my understanding that the interview that Chippy took
part in was to inform the official public hearing. It's
like a depositions, you know, you're like you do a
pre interview in order to then do the good interview
really quickly. It was never supposed to replace the public hearing.
The x ministers only declined the invitation after they appeared
for that first interview, though the inquiry says it did

(32:23):
consider whether to summons the ex ministers, but decided against
it because being adversarial is against the terms of reference. Well,
they've done a very tricky thing here. They've agreed to
the depositions, going yeah, you no, we'll do the weed
as and then they go that's all you're going to get,
and that's enough. And it will not surprise you whatsoever
that Chippy is being slippery, will it? After what we

(32:45):
talked about yesterday. Anyway, Listen, we have got a lot
to get through. You remember I was telling you yesterday
about that woman who the Keywey woman who's in the
iced attention over in the US. We're going to speak
to her lawyer in about twenty minutes. Sounds like this
thing could take months to get her out swabchat to
the lawyer about that. Also, Erica, the MVP of this government,
has been accused of being a bit racist. She's sake

(33:07):
Maldi words out of reading books. She's not and I'm
gonna explain to you why. But we'll deal with that
in the next half hour. News Talks at.

Speaker 22 (33:14):
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Speaker 3 (33:35):
You trust for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand, Let's Get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
News Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Afternoon. The COVID inquiry has canceled any further public hearings
because Jacinda Ardurn, Chris Hopkins, Grant Robertson and Aischeveril are
refusing to front for it. The former ministers argue that
it would be performative rather than informative. Hearing from the
National Party MP Bishop is with me at the moment.

Speaker 23 (34:01):
Hig Chris Good Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Far from ideal, isn't it?

Speaker 12 (34:05):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (34:05):
I think it's disgraceful. New Zealand has deserve answers to
the scale of the COVID spending that we are still
bearing the consequences of today, and they should front up
and explain to the public and to the COVID Inquiry
exactly why they did this, the scale of the spending
that they did, and how they did it.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Do you think the quiry's done, the Inquiry's done the
wrong thing. Deciding not to summons them.

Speaker 23 (34:26):
Well, that would be an extraordinary step. I think really
what Chris Hopkins should do is decide to do the
right thing and actually front up, because he was in
charge of, alongside just cinder ardun an economic response to
COVID that has left us with enormous amounts of debt.
Core Crown debt increased by one hundred and sixty nine
percent from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three, one hundred

(34:48):
and fifty five billion dollars. That is money that my
kids and your kids are going to have to repay.
We have very little to show for it. By the way,
I can tell you that the country's not one hundred
for one hundred and sixty nine percent better off as
a result of that record spending. And as the Treasury
report that came out last week revealed half of the
response to COVID that the extra spending was completely unrelated

(35:11):
to COVID, so we ended up spending things like you know,
jobs for nature programs so called shove already programs increased
to welfare benefits, training schemes, tax changes. You know, none
of these things are actually related to COVID, but we're
all of course bearing the price of that through high
inflation and high debt that we're still enduring today.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Listen. I don't know if you know the details of
what's gone on here, but my understanding is that what
these guys have done is like a depositions. They've done
a pre interview with the view and the reason it
was done was a pre interview so that they could
do the main interview. But once they did the pre interview,
they basically said that you've got everything you need and
pulled out. Is that what happened.

Speaker 23 (35:46):
That's my understanding about what happened. The inquiry invited them
to appear in public and overseas. That's you know, some
of these hearings have been in public, but the UK
COVID inquiry has all been in public. For example, for
the Stage one of our inquiry was all done behind
closed doors. The State two, which is focused on the
economic response has was designed to be done in public,
and they've basically just thumbed their no's at it and said, no,

(36:06):
we're not going to I mean, I think the irony
that a lot of New Zealanders will understand is great,
which is, you know, more than prepared to speak up
from the podium of truth day after day during those
awful COVID years, prepared to do all of that, take
questions during that period, but not prepared to front up
a few years later and actually answer some tough questions
about the economic response.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think it says at.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
All listen at the risk of sounding petulant, and I
am aware that I could we do that. There are
perks associated with some of these officers that continue. For example,
we continue to pay a stipend to just Sindada because
she was once a former prime minister. I mean, should
we think about would it be would it be would
it be cheerlish of us to take it away from her?

Speaker 23 (36:44):
I think, I mean, look, I can understand people's anger
about that. I think you get into dangerous terry when
you when you do that. So I wouldn't recommend that,
but I do I do think they should be doing
the right thing here, and I think New Zealanders will
judge them for not fronting up, and in particular, I
think they will judge Chris Hipkins, who, let remember, is
still in politics. So zeishaverel to cinder Arderne has left,
but Chris Hopkins is wanting to be the Prime Minister

(37:06):
of this country again, and I think it's disgraceful that
he won't front up and explain to the public why
they went on a spending spree that sent New Zealand
crashing into recession, that we are still bearing the consequences
of today.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Thank you very much, Chris appreciated. Chris Bishop, National Party.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
MP together Ellen.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
So, as you know, Chloe Swarbrick was kicked out of
the House again today after refusing to apologize for calling
opposition members spineless yesterday.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
I write Chloe Swawbrick to withdraw and apologize for an
offensive comment made in the House yesterday.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
I won't be doing that, missus.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Speaker David Carter is the former Speaker of the House
and with us, Hey David, Hi, Ever, she did break
the rules, so didn't she?

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yes, she did.

Speaker 24 (37:45):
Her comment was unparliamentary. The important thing is it's the
Speaker's job to determine whether he thinks it's unparliamentary or not,
and then he gives an instruction to her to leave
abide by that you've got no choice.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
It is getting silly, though, isn't it day that when
she's getting punished for basically calling opposition members spineless and
then another old mate jumps up, Debbie jumps up, drops
the sea bomb, and there's no punishment for that. That's silly,
isn't it?

Speaker 24 (38:11):
Well, absolutely it is. There's no doubt in my mind
that the standards are declining. It's a tough environment in there.
You've got to sympathize with the speaker's position. Though he's
sitting at the front, he doesn't always hear everything clearly
because of the noise in the din and the interjections.
He's got to make an instant decision as to how
he reacts to any comment that's been made by any

(38:33):
of the one hundred and twenty oive members of Parliament.
He doesn't have the chance to get an action replay
like a test rugby. He's got to make a decision.
He's got to back himself.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Do you agree with Winston Peters that being kicked out
for a whole week is a bit ott.

Speaker 24 (38:47):
I think in my if I had been there doing
it and I decided that that remark was offensive, and
I had asked her to withdraw and she'd refused, I
would have kicked her out for that day. I would
then have dealt with it as Jerry has today by
them and ask you to at the start a question
time today to withdraw and apologize. If she had been refused,
I would probably have done the same Asteria and asked

(39:08):
her to leave again.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Were you the speaker when John Key said get some guns?

Speaker 24 (39:13):
Yes, it was.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Should you have That's exactly if I.

Speaker 24 (39:16):
If I had my time again, I should have asked
him to withdraw and apologize. And that's exactly the point
I'm making. I didn't hear it clearly at the time.
I let it ride. In hindsight, when you get a
chance to use the tape and hear it again, yes,
I would have asked him to withdraw and apologize. That
would have settled the house down if I've done that.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Interesting, David, Thank you. I really appreciate your time, as
I always do. That's David Carter, Former Speaker of the House.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Heather do for see, Ellen, did you.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
See the All Blacks in Argentina? Did you see the
All Blacks and Argentina lifting the car? So what happened
is that arreon bordhas Artiz and there's a car that's
got stuck on a little bollard ea thing. I think
I'm not entirely sure quite how it works, but it's
the bonardy thing looks like a giant tooth poking up
out of the ground. And it's unclear whether it's one
of those ones that comes up or whether the like,
whether the car parks where it shouldn't have parked and

(40:03):
then it came up and impaled the car, or whether
the car reversed over it. Like Any of these things
are possible, aren't they. Anyway? These guys are good sorts.
They go over there in their kits, They've got their
lovely little matching ADDI dass outfits on, looking all very
professional stuff. They go over lift the car up, lifted
over the barl out and I don't know what you're thinking, Oh,
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Speaker 2 (41:34):
There isn't it ironic that one of the world's most
performative politicians is refusing to be accountable because it would
be performative. Steve nails it eighteen past five. Now listen,
We've got more for you on the New Zealand woman
Sarah Shaw and her six year old son currently in
an IC detention center. New Zealand Embassy staff have made
contact with Sarah, but we still don't know when she
may be released. Minda Thorwood is Sarah's US immigration lawyer

(41:57):
and with us Himenda Hi, thanks for having me on
ye thanks for joining us. Listen. How long, realistically is
it going to take you to get her out?

Speaker 25 (42:06):
You know, I actually can't answer that question. I mean,
I'm working with well, I'm working to get her out.
I'm using every legal process I can, but it's ultimately
going to be up to DHS. We're hoping that they're
just going to release her and her son later this week,
although they may still remain removal proceedings, but we're still

(42:27):
just waiting to find out what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Okay, have foreign affairs been helpful as in't like our
New Zealand Foreign AFA has been helpful in this well.

Speaker 25 (42:34):
I have not been working with them directly, but some
of the government officials here, elected officials have gotten involved
in her case. Senator Patty Murray's office and Reporck Larsen
here in Washington had been working on her case, and
I believe Rick Larson's office I can't honestly can't remember

(42:55):
one of those two is now in touch with the embassy.
I've talked to so many people and so many reporters,
I'm starting to lose loose track of some of it.
So I believe that the New Zealand Embassy is involved now,
but I haven't been directly in touch with them.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Are they helpful? In I mean to have the New
Zealand Embassy getting in touch and weighing, you know, putting
their weight on this. Does that help?

Speaker 25 (43:19):
I mean anything helps? I mean any attention or you know,
any political pressure, pressure from other nations, anything, I mean,
all of that is I mean, I think that all
of that is absolutely helping. We had a USCIS interview
earlier today, you know, with respect to Sarah's Penning petition,
and I don't think things would have happened that quickly

(43:40):
had there not been so much media attention and pressure
from you know, elected officials and the embassy.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Now, this is obviously the case of a woman who
does live in Washington State, so she is residing. But
does this kind I mean should people Should travelers to
the US be wary of having exactly.

Speaker 25 (43:57):
The right Oh asolutely this I would, you know, now,
more than ever, it's essentral that everybody have the correct
travel documents, that they do not stay beyond their alloted
visa time. We've just had such an uptick and you know,
draconian enforcement of immigration laws. And unfortunately, I've seen this happen,

(44:20):
you know, many times where you know, I mean, probably
not the same thing here, but I you know, I
had some you know, you know, twenty year old kid
who happens to forget he has half of an edible
cookie coming from Canada, and that's been immigrating attention for
a month until we can send them home to Germany.
You know, I mean, it's just that kind of thing,
yea where simple mistakes result in basically being incarcerated for

(44:44):
indefinite periods of time.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Menda, thank you for your time based of luck with
it and and keep us a brace of it. Obviously,
Mendethel would us immigration lawyer halor.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
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Speaker 1 (44:55):
Informed insight into today's issues. It's handler duplessy Ellen with
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Speaker 3 (45:04):
Sa'd be here.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
The look I loathe Chloe Swarbrick, but I've got to
say she didn't say anything offensive. In a week suspension
is ridiculous. I think so too. It does seem a
little on the harsh. I think everybody thinks it's a
bit on the harsh side. Yeah, I mean we can.
We can guess as to why Jerry's doing this. I
suspect it's to look like he's the tough guy. Anyway,
five twenty four, we'll talk to the huddle about it shortly.
On the netball, the temptation on the netball will be

(45:26):
to be worried about so many of our silver ferns
and professional players heading over to Ozzie to play netball.
But I don't think that we should be worried about this.
By the way, I don't even think we've reached the
end of that list. Karen Berger, Kellie Jackson to Pie
slb Rickett, Maddie Gordon Grace workare. The feeling is that
now that we've given them permission to head overseas, more
of them will head overseas. That's actually good for us,

(45:47):
at least in the short term. In the short term,
this is going to help the Silver Ferns because the
netball competition that these women are going to play in
over in Australia is the netball competition in the world.
They can only become better players playing in that netball
competition and therefore when they come back to play for
the Silver Ferns, they will make the Silver Ferns stronger. Yes,
there is no doubt that this is going to degrade

(46:08):
the A and Z Premiership, but then let's be honest
about it. The A and Z Premiership is already degraded
to the point that no broadcaster in this country wanted
to pay for it. Now, if your choice is between
saving that competition or saving the Silver Ferns, who frankly
have not had a very good run lately. Because our
domestic competition is not great and is not producing, is

(46:28):
not lifting the standards of our players. You save the
silver ferns now. I realize that this is not a
long term solution. The long term solution is to get
one or two local teams back into the Aussie competition
like it was in the old days. But this is
a short term survival solution. And when you are trying
to save the quality of netball in this country and
the ability of professional players to make a living playing
netball in this country, then I think that this was

(46:51):
the right call.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Heather duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Okay, So on the situation with the Mardi books, you
will have caught up on this has been it's been
brewing for a little bit now. Apparently Erica has banned
Maori being being published in books for teaching the kids
to read. Now that sounds when you just when this
is like year one books. It could affect some year
two to three books as well. Not entirely clear whether
the Mary is allowed back into the year two books

(47:16):
or the year four books, but regardless, it sounds hideous,
right if you listen to it, you go o oh, no,
here we go. So this is dis government hating on
anything Mary related. This actually makes sense though, And take
this from some like I learned Mary for five years, right,
so I care about I actually want to be able
to speak the Mardi language. I want our kids to
be able to speak it. And yet I am telling
you that this makes sense because I don't know if

(47:38):
it's about the phonetic sounds. I don't know if you
can recall trying to teach your kids how to write
and study it gets English is complicated. So you're sitting
there going a A for apple, Oh, that doesn't make
any sense, A for aviation, but also AH for apple. Right,
So we've already got this like inconsistency that you're trying
to teach the kids that A for apple also and

(48:00):
E for egg also is A for apple and F
for egg and somehow they've got to figure this out.
But then you chuck in the mild phonetic sounds and
that's completely different. Now it's A for our. So now
you've got A for apple, a for aviation, and A
for our all looking exactly the same. You can see
how that's going to overcomplicate things for the little kiddies. Anyways,
as a result of this, I think that the idea

(48:22):
that maybe you introduced it at year three or four
whatever makes a little bit of sense. We're going to talk.
We're going to talk shortly with a professor who's involved
with these books. She's going to be with us after
the news just quickly. Education Minister Erica Stanford is just
speaking to media right now actually about that strike that
was announced by the secondary school teachers for next Wednesday.

Speaker 26 (48:40):
See, and it does look like a political stunt. You
can only look at the amount of time they've spent
at the bargaining table and the fact that they have
not come back with a serious counteroffer or even here.

Speaker 10 (48:54):
Are the things that are important to us.

Speaker 26 (48:56):
Just here is everything that's on the table again that
is very DISTINGI and the fact that they've got all
this marketing campaign. Really it looks like they spent more
time on their marketing campaign than they've spent.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
At the table. Chris Abbacombie, who was with the PPTA,
is going to be with us after six o'clock. Next up, though,
let's talk about the marty and the books, and then
we have the huddle as well. News dogsb.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
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Speaker 1 (49:33):
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get connected news talk said b And here you were.

Speaker 24 (49:40):
My head, mam, dreaming.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
How the preta is with us? After six o'clock on
the teacher strive, we got the huddle standing by just
really quickly. This is important. I need to get you
across this. This is not good for Andrew Costa. It
turns out Andrew Costin knew. You remember that, you remember
the story about the six peest who was working in
Luxeon's office, Mychael Forbes, the one who got caught up
with the hookers in Wellington. Turns out and nobody knew.

(50:05):
Nobody knew in Louise Upstein's office, nobody knew. In the
Prime Minister's office. Michael Forbes just kept on working there. Well,
it turns out that Andrew Coster did know. The event
happened on eleventh of July. At seven o'clock in the evening.
The next day, twelfth of July, the police comms are
notified at twenty to six. Costa is told at quarter
past six. He does not at any stage tell he's

(50:28):
got eyeballs, he's watching Telly, He's seeing lucks in there,
he's going, oh, yep, there you are, Michael, yeah, standing
behind the primeister. At no stage does Andrew get in
touch with him and go, hey, you need to know
about what what a security threat we've got going on
here with that bloke standing behind you. Doesn't do it
the onus. He leaves the onus up to He puts
the onus on Michael to tell Chris what's happened, And

(50:49):
of course Michael never does tell Chris. Also, and so
I think this is potentially quite damaging myself to Andrew Costa.
But also second, Kuda knew this is the what was
she deputy police commision assisant Pole commissioner, one of those
things time Yakuda. She's the one who just quit the
other day. Do you think it's timing things? Quit the
other day? And then this comes out and she knew

(51:09):
about it, and I suspect so twenty three away from.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Sex ever do for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Now on the books, the Education Minister is cutting Marty
words from future editions of some books used to teach
reading to five and six year olds. The books in
question are from the Ready to Read Phonics Plus series.
Now Professor Gail Gillen from the University of Canterbury was
one of the people who led the development of that
series and is with us now. Hey, Gail Kyoder, Henna
has Erica got a point that kids need to learn

(51:35):
the phonics sounds in one language before they then switched
to the phonic sounds in another language.

Speaker 21 (51:41):
Well, the evidence that we have would suggest that our
five year old children are coping very well with the
inclusion of just a few koupon mary in these early readers.
We have evidence from over twenty nine thousand five year
old children from across the country who are using these
readers as part of our Better Start literacy approach, and

(52:01):
the teachers are doing a wonderful job and using these
readers to really improve children's literacy skills.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Okay, so tell me about this evidence. So have we
done a test here where we've selected a group of
kids and we've given them just one language in the
phonic sounds, and then another group of kids with two
languages and phonic sounds and seen how they compare to
each other.

Speaker 21 (52:20):
No, we haven't done that type of experimental research. The
research we have done, though, has shown that the approach
that uses these readers in a controlled way through using
these readers compared to using other types of literacy approaches
has shown that the better stant literacy approach is more
effective than other approaches. So we have data at that

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large group level to show that these readers being included
in the year one teaching approach is working really well.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Hold on, Okay, so, Gail, So we don't know if
better Start just English is better than better Start English
plus Mariti.

Speaker 21 (52:57):
Well, the Marty we're talking about is a few who Mary.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I do understand and listen, I'm pro Mary language. Don't
get me wrong. Don't think that I'm not into this.
I'm like a wholeheartedly into it. But we don't know
for sure do it because we haven't actually tested this.

Speaker 21 (53:13):
Well, we haven't tested Mary versus English as teaching media.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Okay, So then, so, Gail, doesn't it stand to reason,
just using common sense that when you're trying to teach
kids English, it's it's difficult enough with the phonetic sounds. Right,
You've got a for aviation, A for apple for apple.
Now you're chucking an A for hour. It's going to
get really confusing for these little dudes, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (53:35):
Well, English is confusing in itself why. Of course, how
these words are introduced are in the same way as
that we introduce a number of words in English that
are also confusing. In other words, that's simply told to
the child as they read the line of text. So
it's no more confusing introducing a word like kai or
manu or kapa hakka than it is introducing a word

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like said or they.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
But that's my point. I mean, like I said, and
I'm saying this because I'm trying to teach my boy
to read at the moment, and I'm not going well
bloody hard because English is just so messed up. But
the thing is, I what I and I'm not trained
in this, so obviously I'm going to make huge mistakes.
But what I am finding is that already trying to
explain to him the aberrations that we have in English

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is bloody hard enough without chucking in as well. So
then my question is, I mean, does it not mean
are we going to offend people if we just let
let the first three years be exclusively English phonetic and
then we chuck the Marty sounds and after year four
maybe well, of.

Speaker 21 (54:37):
Course, in English we're integrating to our Mary all the time.
So this is an opportunity as we begin to teach
our readers right from five, to introduce just a few
Kooper Maria into those texts. Now, remember this is in
the context of some beautiful stories that are really relevant
and purposely written for our New Zealand cultural context, and
the teachers have support and how to gradually introduce are

(55:01):
these words alongside the English words that they're using. So
it's not like we're putting a whole lot of Marty
words into one book. They're gradually introduced. And the evidence
is very clear here that the data we have from
twenty nine thousand children is suggesting we are not confusing
children by using these readers. Well, without all three Marty

(55:21):
some of the readers.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
With respect our kids cannot read properly in this country.
So we haven't got great evidence, have we.

Speaker 21 (55:28):
We do from the better Start at Tricia approach. That's
where you're wrong. We published this data. We have very
clear evidence that the better Start that Tricy approach, which
uses these readers as part of the teaching approach, is
significantly accelerating reading, spelling, oral language, phonics and phony awareness
of our five and six year old children. Listen that

(55:50):
research is published internationally.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I really appreciate it and you're the experts. I will
defer to you. Thank you. Professor Gal Gillen, director of
the Child Well Being Institute at the University of Canterbury.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
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Speaker 2 (56:05):
Do we have the huddle with us right now. Morris
Williamson All can Counsel, the former National Minister and also
Jack Tame, host of Saturday mornings on ZB and Q
and a high Lads, good evening. We're going to come
back to this if we have a chance, Morris, just
send it. Chippy Grant Aisha All refused to front for
the COVID inquiry.

Speaker 27 (56:20):
Your reaction, Oh well, I've got a strong view on that.
They took some terribly tough decisions. They put New Zealanders
through a hell of a lot. The second lockdown on
Auckland was I think criminal. I think they've got to
be able to come back and say why and say
we did it because and here's the results we achieved
and really explain themselves. Because they're hiding and saying, oh,

(56:42):
we won't come and answer. It suggests that they think
they got it very badly wrong and would only come
out the wrong side of it.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I mean that's a very good point, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Jack.

Speaker 27 (56:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (56:51):
I mean they still have to give evidence, right, and
they still have to be interviewed. They've all agreed to that.
But I think, actually, I mean I agree, I think
it would be ideal.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Haven't They've already done it Jack for.

Speaker 11 (57:01):
A full account? Yeah, they have, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Already it was the deposition's version, right, So they did
the pre interview ahead of what was expected to be
the main interview, and then once they've done the pre interview,
they said, oh ye, and now you're not going to
get the main interview. So that's only a half job.

Speaker 11 (57:15):
Okay. Well, if the people heading up the inquiry desire them,
they're in person, they also have the opportunity to summon them.
Just just let me make this point though, I think
sadly it's just a continuation of an over politicization of
the whole Commission of Inquiry process. So I think like
the phase one of the Commission of Inquiry I think
missed out a couple of critical points, Like I think

(57:37):
it was really a poor call not to include decisions
about monetary policy in phase one. I think it was
a poor call not to consider vaccine efficacy in phase one,
and I was broadly supportive of Phase two except when
I saw the terms of reference, and Phase two only
starts from February twenty twenty one. I think if we
as a public were to have a proper comprehend into

(58:00):
accounting of the COVID decisions and how they were made,
you'd go from when the vaccine first emerged the whole
way through. You'd include the period in which you get
in first ministers were part of the government. You'd include
the period in which de Cinder and Chippy might say
they made really good decisions, and you'd include some of
the big mistakes. And I think sadly this has kind

(58:21):
of been over politicized on the word gut ye.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
There's nothing.

Speaker 9 (58:25):
Can I just.

Speaker 18 (58:25):
Simplify it quickly?

Speaker 27 (58:26):
If I was a minister who had done what had
happened over the few years and the damaged under the
economy that we're still feeling, and inflation and explosions of expenditure,
I'd actually want to come on and say we did
it because these were the outcomes we wanted to achieve
and we did. And the idea that you're not prepared
to I mean, I jump at the chance to try

(58:48):
to justify it. Even if the public thought I was wrong.
You've got a chance to explain why and why you
wouldn't take that. I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, well it's not good for the brand overseas is
it will take a break? Come back quarter to six.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
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Speaker 2 (59:06):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Jack Tamer Morris Williamson
are with us. Jack, did Chloe deserve a week suspensions?
It feels a bit harsh.

Speaker 11 (59:12):
Yeah, I think it's actually a bad call from the speaker.
I think largely the speakers then done such a good
job during a pretty tricky term in parliament. But no,
I think serious, I think I think, yeah, I think
it's done a pretty reasonable job.

Speaker 27 (59:25):
And Morris, no, no, Look, look you just talked about
bringing up your little baby and teaching them things. One
of the things you teach your kids is you don't
say if you carry on doing that, I'm going to
send you to your room, and then they carry on
doing it. Keep on doing that.

Speaker 9 (59:40):
No, he does that every day.

Speaker 27 (59:41):
He says, if this carries on, if you keep speaking
like that, I'm going to sorry, and you know, day
after day. And then finally when he does something, he
does it with a megatun bomb, rather than is.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
He going to sack that hard? Hey, you know what
gunny sacking is, Morris. It's when you put up with
the crap that they're giving you and then you just
come at them with the lad Yeah, it's not even
a wooden spoon at this stage. It's like the begin
thing you can find.

Speaker 27 (01:00:01):
He would have been better to have taken a few
more steps along the way up.

Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
To this point, and I don't think you'd have ended up.

Speaker 27 (01:00:06):
I mean that so many members of Parum Exponent that say, oh,
we don't care, Deari's not serious. He never throws people out,
he just threatens them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah. But anyway, Jack, listen, sorry we spoken of you.
I would have put this sound to you just being
a really nice guy. But carry on.

Speaker 11 (01:00:17):
Yeah, no, I mean perfectly plays in to close hands.
She's able to make it a point all the more forcefully.
I'm sure at the moment he sees you'll be out
for a week yesterday, she was secretly delighted in knowing that, yeah, yeah,
that megaton bomb was going to turn into a megaphone
for her. And so yeah, politically it's probably been que A.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Few are okay, but okay, so Jack, I know that.
I mean, the spineless. You're not allowed to say somebody
is spineless in the house. There are rules around that,
and you are you are directing it at people, which
is different to just dropping the sea bomb. But to
the average person looking at this, the fact that the
sea bomb is okay and spineless, isn't it looks ridiculous,
doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:00:53):
Yes, I agree, No, I think it's crazy if she's
been kicked out for a week, and I think it's
just totally excessive. And yeah, I don't think there's kind
of consistency there. I mean, there are so many worse
things you could be called, and I just don't have
an issumer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
How Morris do you tidy up the standards in parliament?
If you don't, if you allow this kind of weird
thing to happen, where you could just drop the sea
bomb casually if you want to.

Speaker 9 (01:01:17):
Well, what you have to do is nip it in
the bud. And this for months after months.

Speaker 27 (01:01:22):
I'm one of these sad souls who at ten o'clock
at night, after I've got everything done, I often watch
question Time and I just see Jerry threatening over some days,
seven twelve to fifteen times.

Speaker 9 (01:01:32):
I'll throw you'll be gone the member, and he never does.

Speaker 27 (01:01:35):
Well, what that just does is credit environment where people
just carry on misbehaving, doing what they like, saying what
they want. I think if you'd nip things in the
bud Dowell there and said you carry on doing that,
you're out, and if someone did it, you say right,
you're gone, then people would realize he was serious.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
I'm one of these.

Speaker 27 (01:01:49):
People who will allow my opponents to say whatever the
hell they like about me, I'll die, and that it's
defending their right to say it. So I'm not a
big censorship person, but you do have to have and
is in Parliament. And I think you know, saying people
are going to look for a backbone is a breach
of the standards. But so so, I guess is a
c word although you're only quoting what somebody else said,

(01:02:10):
rather than it was a journalist that said it and
she was quite no, it's there is a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
No I know in one you're quoting what somebody said
and in the other you are accusing members on the
opposite side of sorry.

Speaker 9 (01:02:20):
That's the difference. That's the difference.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
That's the kind of nuance thet Anyway, listen, Jack, I
haven't got long, but I know you're going to be
hot on this, so I want to hear what you've
got to say. Do you think taking kobu Maori out
of what year one to three reading books is okay?

Speaker 11 (01:02:33):
I just don't think it's a good use of the
Education Minister's time. I think this is a case of
everyone leaning a bit too hard into their personal issues.
I think Erica Standard is totally committed to structured literacy.
That's fantastic, But do we really need her fussing over
a couple of words and a couple of books of
five year olds.

Speaker 9 (01:02:48):
Probably not.

Speaker 11 (01:02:49):
On the other side of the equation, to suggest that
this is some evidence of like a grand scheme to
suppress the Maori language is just totally disingenuous when the
Minister has demonstrably done things support reading in todayl Mardi.
So I just think everyone needs to come a farm
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Okay, what do you think Maris.

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Yeah, no, I think I agree with them. Jack. Do
you know what the word corpico means? Colla pico col
Pico's k o p i ko copico?

Speaker 24 (01:03:17):
No No.

Speaker 27 (01:03:18):
I tried out Tama Potacker and I tried out Shane
Jones because they both fluent. They didn't, but at have
picked big signs up around our saying waka corpico. And
it turns out it's the direction is where the fairies are.
And this is where I start to depart with things.
If you're going to use language that even fluent Malori
speakers don't know what the word means, the signs should

(01:03:39):
be saying fairies and so. And when I set up
twenty three Malori radio stations, I set up to Areo Kokopuairangi,
which you'll know is Tomomapaho. I was a big fan
of getting to promotion of Terreo and really getting it going.
But what I'm really concerned about is mixing it in
and having some words English some words Malori, because I
think if you come back in twenty years time, you

(01:04:00):
may have such a pigeon English, no tourists, no foreigner
sitting here with listening to our news or watching us
will have a bloody clue what those words mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Guys. It's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Jack,
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Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Heather because learning two things at once is always easier
than learning one thing at a time. A yet Steve
nails it. Obviously, it's harder if you're going to learn
two things at once. Listen, this is weird. Have you
seen this business with the mystery the mystery payment that
appeared in the oyster farmers accounts. I don't know if
you've kept abreast of this, but there's been quite this
little kafuffle going on up north of Auckland and the

(01:04:43):
Mahurangi Harbor with the oyster farmers they have had they've
basically I feel terrible for these guys, but they've basically
been shut down since December and have been unable to
do the oyster farming because water Care, the guys who
do the water in Auckland have basically been pumping pope
into the water.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I don't know if you know anything about oysters, but
you can't be eating poop. The oysters can't eat the pope,
because if the oysters eat the poop and then you
eat the oyster, you end up with Nora virus. Asked
two of my friends who ate the oysters while I
was pregnant to thank god I didn't it is. It's
a shaka. So anyway, as a result of that, these
guys business, it's just it's terrible for them. So they've
been in this space what appears to be a seven

(01:05:22):
year long battle with water Care about this anyway, The
other day, ten thousand dollars just appears in their account,
really random. They don't even know who it's from. They're like,
is this from water Care or is this from Aquaculture
New Zealand? Has water Care given it to Aquaculture New
Zealand to give it to us?

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Does what's it for? Anyway, it turns out it is
actually from water Care and as a payment of ten
thousand dollars for their well being. Well that's a laugh,
isn't it, Because I don't know if you know what's
going on and the extent of the problems up there.
But forty people who work across the oyster industry this
week have just been let go forty people. What do
you think ten thousand dollars this is going to do

(01:06:00):
for forty people? I mean, I think it's across five businesses,
so it works out at fifty thousand dollars. But fifty
thousand dollars is not going to touch the sides of
what's going on out there anyway. I mean, when you
start giving little token bits of money like that and
then weirdly just randomly drop it in people's accounts, which
makes you look inredibly guilty. You shouldn't actually give any
money because it's not helping anyone and you're just you're

(01:06:22):
just wasting your own cash, aren't ye. Anyway, Let's have
a chat next to the PPTA. These are the this
is the union in charge of the strike that's happening
next Wednesday for secondary schools. Get their take on it. Next,
news talks EV.

Speaker 14 (01:06:38):
What every window, what wind.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
B Evening coming up in the next hour. The US
reporting season kicks off tomorrow. Milford Asset Management on that one.
In five Reserve Bank staff need to go. Janetib Cheriney
on that and Gavin Gray will do the UK for
US at seven past six. Now bad news obviously if
you've got kids at secondary school, because teachers have announced
they're going to go on strike next Wednesday. They say

(01:07:23):
the government's payoffer of a three percent rise over three
years is unsatisfactory. Chris Abercrombie is the president of the
PBTA and with us. Hey Chris, good Annie, how are
you very well? Thank you sir. What does this mean?
No school little on Wednesday?

Speaker 28 (01:07:35):
Ah?

Speaker 18 (01:07:35):
Yeah, so for seniorary schools though no members will be
at those schools next Wednesday. Unfortunately, there's a decision we've
had to the membership has had to make, teachers they've
had to make.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Okay, So have you conducted your your negotiations and good
faith because the Public Service Commissioner says you haven't.

Speaker 18 (01:07:52):
I disagree with that. We're literally bargaining on Friday. It
was confirmed yesterday, so we're still at the table. We're
still bargaining. We've got a real well thought out claim
that deals with the needs of the sector. So yeah,
I disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
How do you put a counter offer on the table.

Speaker 18 (01:08:07):
Well, we turned up with an offer. That's that's the
point of vague. We came with a claim. We said,
these are the things that need to meet the unmet
need in our sector. And so we're and we're willing
to discuss those So it's up to the government to
sort of do their part in this equation. We're doing ours,
So it's up to it's on the government side.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
What's your claim?

Speaker 18 (01:08:28):
Well, there's several passwords. There's obviously a pay claim. There's
also we need and cenders for curriculum leaders. We will
subject specialist advisors, teacher lead, PLD and development. We've got
so much change happening in the sector at the moment,
we need these really experienced leaders to be able to
support that change package through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Okay, and what's your pay claim?

Speaker 18 (01:08:48):
So it's a four percent the year for three years
and then plus another four percent in the first year
to recognize the removal of the pay equity claim that
we went almost about to settle but then was removed
with the origin law.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Hoden was that four percent a year for three years.

Speaker 18 (01:09:02):
Yeah, so four years, four year for three years at
plus a four percent and extra four percent in the
first year. Because of the removal of the pay equity
under urgency.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
So eight percent in the first year, then four percent,
then four percent. Yep, Okay, do you think that's reasonable, Well, we.

Speaker 18 (01:09:16):
Believe is what we need to meet to meet the needs.
We know we have an increasing shortage of teachers, we
have an increasingly complex work environment, and we need to
make sure we've got the skilled specialists in front of
our young people to implement the government change, but also
to maximize our young people to be the best they
can be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Oh yeah, look, I want the good ones to be
paid paid really well, I totally agree with you. But
didn't you get fourteen and a half percent two years ago?

Speaker 11 (01:09:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:09:40):
And we need we need more. We need We don't
have enough teachers, is the short answer, and we will
need more.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Are you going to get the money from? Where's the
government going to get the money from?

Speaker 18 (01:09:49):
Well, the government can make decisions about where they spend
their money, and it's up for the government to decide.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, okay, so you're okay. If we start cutting stuff
like I don't know, reserve bank staff, so you can
get pay raisers.

Speaker 18 (01:10:00):
The government has to make decisions that make so for instance,
tax cuts for landlords, for instance, or the decision they made.
They could make other decisions. It's up to the government
to decide how they spend their money. We believe the
best way is to support education.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Listen, Chris, I love you guys. I love a teacher.
I think you guys do excellent work, and I think
that the brilliant one should be paid heaps, and because
kids are the most important thing that we do right.
But I just think that you're going to lose the
confidence and you're going to lose the support of people.
This looks really grasping.

Speaker 18 (01:10:29):
I disagree with that. We know parents want the best
of the kids. Teachers want the best of the kids.
We know parents support their local schools and their local
teachers and total.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Somebody else Chris named somebody else who was paid fourteen
and a half percent two years ago and then is
going to get eight percent and then four percent and
then four percent. That's not happening to anybody.

Speaker 18 (01:10:48):
Well, we disagree. We think that this is really important.
It's what we need to meet the needs of our students.
We know there's increasing complex need in our schools and
we need to have a workforce ready to meet that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Chris listen. Thanks very much, appreciate it. Chris Abercrombie, president
of the PPTA, I think you can see where this
is going. I don't think they're going to be flavor
of the month after this.

Speaker 24 (01:11:05):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Eleven past six?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Heather?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Do see how if you are in the Lower North
Island you might have been feeling the shanks we've been getting,
Paul says Heather. Big joelt here in Hawk's Bay went
for his few seconds. Yeah, it was a four point
nine er twenty k's south of Hastings, depth of thirty
k's just before six o'clock. So that's what you felt.
So you know, brace yourself for the after shocks, if
there are going to be after shocks. By the way,
on the it feels to me a little bit like

(01:11:31):
I'm just feeling like Albanzi would have felt like a
hero on Monday after he did today, after he went
for the state of Palestine, because we all want a
state of Palestine. Anybody right mind, it wants two state solution.
I reckon ALBANIZI went to bed that night going, oh,
I'm a legend, I'm a legend. And then Hamas came
out today and they were like here you're a llegiend.
Thanks for that, and so then maybe not so much

(01:11:51):
of a hero. And then Marco Rubio wigde in as well,
he was speaking to WABC radio in New York.

Speaker 28 (01:11:57):
Yeah, and first of all, it's largely meaningless, right, it's symbolic,
and they're doing it primarily for one reason, and that
is their internal politics. They're domestic politics. The truth of
the matter is that the future of that region is
not going to be decided by some UN resolution. It's
not going to be decided by some press release by
a prime minister or a president from some country.

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
It's going to be decided on the ground. In fact,
that a lot these statements are meaning.

Speaker 28 (01:12:20):
It's like they're not, they're not can't change anything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah, And then I went, yeah, bummer, that's true. Isn't
it quite refreshing though, when people tell the truth out loud?
Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Heather do for CLA.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
It's all on. The nurses have just announced they're going
to strike as well. They're going to be striking on
the second and the fourth of September and it will
involve fourteen thousand nurses. Don't tell me this isn't coordinated.
Do not tell me this isn't coordinated. Sixteen pass six. Michael, look,
Milford AIDT management is with us A Michael, Hey have it,
Okuess We've got the US inflation data for July out
last night. Good news or bad news for the economy

(01:13:53):
over there.

Speaker 29 (01:13:54):
Well, we would call that inflation dot am mixed, but
it was better than some adfared given tar gariffs, and
we did see the US shaar market really on the
back of it last night. Now, looking at the numbers,
overall inflation stayed steady at two point seven percent. However,
core inflation, which strips out woldtil items like energy now
that was hired and expected up zero point three percent

(01:14:16):
in July and up three point one percent compared to
last year. So while reported inflation data was steady, underlying
inflation pressures in the US are growing with businesses done
to pass on tarifflated costs. And we have to remember
a large proportion of those tariffs only came into effect
this month, so there's still is arrist that core inflation

(01:14:37):
continues to build throughout the year and the US as
businesses increase prices on tariff goods.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
So with inflation looking I suppose we could say relatively tame,
are we going to start to see cuts in the rates.

Speaker 29 (01:14:50):
There well after the data markets are now seeing a
ninety five percent chance of a fair rate cut next
month from eighty five percent the day before, so investors
think it's pretty certain that they'll cut rates next month.
With July inflation relatively steady and a weekening job market,
so there are now two to three FED rate cuts

(01:15:11):
expected this year, which requires tariffs to not have a
large impact on inflation or for the FED to cut anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Now we've got the reporting season kicking off here tomorrow.
What should we be watching?

Speaker 29 (01:15:24):
Well, While the US earning season is winding down here
in New Zealand, we're just about to start when New
Zealand companies are going to report their results for the
past six months as well as given outlook on the future,
and generally we expect results are going to be pretty
soft given the tough economic environment. However, the real focus
for investors will be on whether company outlooks show signs

(01:15:44):
of improvement or not. Now, first up tomorrow is Vista Group.
They sell cinema software all around the world and we
think they could post a bit of a mixed result
if the cinema is still under a bit of pressure
and a weaker US dollar impacting their revenue by the
main focus for them will all be about whether they've
got strong customer demand or not for their new cloud products.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeah, brilliant, and which earnings of the market going to
be watching.

Speaker 29 (01:16:10):
Well next week starts with a two milk on Monday,
which is always an interesting result with their share price
known to move sharply.

Speaker 18 (01:16:17):
Up or down.

Speaker 29 (01:16:19):
Now they sell infant formula into China, which can be
a difficult market to follow and always creates a bit
of uncertainty going into results. And then the other one
i'd call out is just Spark, which will report next Wednesday.
Now that will be an interesting result after them selling
their data center business yesterday, and I think the real
focus for investors will be on whether their earnings and

(01:16:40):
their core business have stabilized or not, as well as
what they do with the dividend and whether they cust
it and by how much good stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Michael, thanks for running us through at Michael Luke, Milford
Asset Management. Heather is Chris Abercrombie from the PPTA On
another planet. Thirty percent increase over five years, greedy buggers.
No other industry is getting increases of that value. Think
about that right in five years a thirty How good
would a thirty percent pay? Would you put a pool in?
Wouldn't you If you got a thirty percent pay increase,

(01:17:10):
you go out you buy yourself a new car, wouldn't you?
How good would a thirty percent You could probably buy
yourself some butter for the first time in ages? How
good would a thirty percent pay increase be? I don't know,
ask the asked the secondary school teacher in your life?
Hither I'm a teacher. I resigned from the PPTA today.
I'm told I have to give them a minimum of
two weeks notice, even though school's got only one week
notice and they said schools only needed seventy two hours notice.

(01:17:32):
It is a stunt. It is a political stunt because
it took months to get to this point under the
previous government. Absolutely here the stuff the PPTA aka the
Labor Party and drag in centralized pay, bargaining, pay teachers
on performance, give parents vouchers to fund schools in this
union blackmail? What did I say? Not going to be
on the right side of this. They're not going to

(01:17:52):
have everybody loving them, are they? Six twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
News talks'd be whether if you gave me a thirty
percent pay increase, I would swap from nylon carpet to wool.
Me too, I'd really go bougie and get myself some
wool carpet. Here here's a question that should be asked
and clarified. Read the Marori cupoo and the text of
Mary words it's koopoo Marti. What research did Moe and
the authors used to decide it was a good move

(01:18:25):
to have two languages in these texts. This introduction and
foundation text is the first time it's being done, and
we do not know of another country that does this.
So what evidence was there used to include it from
the outset? Carla, you make a very good point. That
was the point I was trying to make, right. It's
totally fine to be like and we have great evidence
that it's fine, yes, But what's like what study was done?
Because if you're going to do a study, you've got

(01:18:46):
to have one group of kids who are doing it
just with English words, and you gotta have the other
group of kids who are doing with words from two languages,
and then you compare them, don't you like?

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Is how you do a study on that? Really of it? Now,
that didn't do that? So I think it's fine to
come here and says it's going well, but there is
actually no evidence that it's going well. So then it's
just basically a corbay or echo as to what we
think and commensate the sense would dictate you do one
at a time, isn't it six twenty four? Here's your
show business tonight? Yes, who's back?

Speaker 25 (01:19:19):
I love the idea of just spending time together. Now
ways to show its people you care.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Look at that?

Speaker 28 (01:19:27):
Oh my gosh, I could do this every day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Look at that. Yeah, you haven't heard from her in
three seconds. So she's back, Megan. That's with love, Megan.
That's the name of the show. The trailer for season
two has dropped. This one's on Netflix. Remember the last?
It's the last? Remember the last? Is it's the last?
I don't really know. I don't really know it's the
last in the season or something. Netflix decided not to

(01:19:50):
renew the series. Was just that was what I was
trying to get. As you can tell I'm still struggling
with my foundation text here to learn to read anyway.
The trailer shows the Duchess of Sussex eating cheese and
preparing snacks and drinks with her friends wonderful like gripping,
gripping viewing. Season two will include famous guests like Chrissy Teagan,
the model, and look, it's all as lovely as the

(01:20:12):
first season.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
There are easy ways to show up lovingly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
She has given me a goose bump that is so lovely.
It's lovely. But there's one notable person who's missing from
the trailer, and that's Prince Harry. So that's not that lovely,
is it. By the way, Oh, I forgot I need
to tell you about last night. I went to block
party and I'm trying to cheer you up after having
to listen to that crap from her. I went to
block party last night, which is very much I realized

(01:20:38):
a punk band. And I didn't realize this when I
was twenty years younger than I am now and listening
to it the first time around. It was fantastic. It
was really like it was. It took me a while
to warm into it because, oh, look, I don't know
if you remember, but Silent Alarm was their big album
back in like two thousand and two, two thousand and three,
round about there or whatever. They are a big deal
out of the UK anyway. So I've moved on, had

(01:20:59):
chill and got married, you know, become an adult ish
and so I hadn't realized that i'd kind of grown
up past block party. So I was I sat there
and like it started, and it was. They're very kind
of they're very industrial in their sound, like a little
bit like joy to it.

Speaker 30 (01:21:14):
Hang hang on here, there are you saying that you
and the concert club weren't the first people to charge
into the circle as soon as it opened up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
It took me a full one and a half songs
to kind of warm up to it. I was like, well,
this is confronting anyway. We realized that we're old because
on one side of me, one a member of the
concert club, had ear plugs in she has to have special.

Speaker 30 (01:21:33):
No, no, that's not a natthing. Everyone should do that at
all concerts.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
She has special doctor's ear plugs because she's old. The
other one tried to put her jacket on and ripped
a rotator cuff and then we saw Andrew Dickens. That's
how old we are.

Speaker 27 (01:21:48):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Don't tell Andrew I said that. But when he saw them,
I was like, oh, I thought this was a cool concept.
What's Andrew doing here? Anyway? The lighting was awesome, the
band were great. We had a wonderful time and now
we're absolutely exhausted. Wingless leap for three days here they are,
By the way, how punky is this when you listen
to it today? Next says, oh, I's been days the
big shot.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Way up classes. Oh I shut the fall out for
a while, Way up classes, honor been at that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Part child, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy, Allen
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Speaker 8 (01:22:37):
Ten seven True, nobody knows.

Speaker 21 (01:22:43):
The hill.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Chloe is getting what she wants, which is publicity. That
is a very good point. Chloe has been all of
the the news. She's been all over our bulletins. I
saw her on TV three doing an interview, Yes, pushed.
She had a really nice shirt on it. I should
probably text her and ask her where she got. Just
quite nice. It's a nice khaki shirt. We're nice with her.
She's got she's got the she's got the kfel of course,

(01:23:11):
but it's the I've actually got this one at home.
There's an admission. It's the bottle green one. And the
contrast between the shirt and the KFA on the news
was actually quite nice. Do you think that they have
in the Green Party currently? I don'tt to make light
of this situation too much because it is quite serious,
but of what is actually going on in Gaza. But
do you think that they've just got like a stack
of them and they just they Somebody stands there as

(01:23:33):
the Greens are headed off into the house and they
go go tack take one and I have you got
anyone in the red ones? He got easy read one
for you. Do you think that they just hand them
out to them like at my workplace we get handed
out lanyard's and pens, but they get KFA. Wouldn't be surprised.
Interesting The Royal editor of the Telegraph has been ringing
around her sources this week because there's a lot going

(01:23:54):
on with the Royals. Obviously got has assigning the deal
with Netflix, and then you've got the problem with the
charity that he's had got Andrew with the book and
the Epstein stuff bubbling along, and Anne's actually about to
celebrate her seventy fifth birthday. So the Royal Editor of
the Telegraph's been ringing around, you know, trying to trying
to get some involve what's going on stuff. She says,
this is her takeaway from ringing around this week. She

(01:24:15):
has found it difficult to track down anyone who had
anything nice to say about Andrew. But she also has
found it difficult, nih on impossible, she said, to find
someone who had something bad to say about Anne. So
what does that tell you? Twenty three away from seven,
Heather Dupless, the Reserve Bank is cutting twenty percent of
its staff in a bid to unwind a massive hiring
spree by Adrian Or. The restructure that is proposed would

(01:24:37):
see a net reduction of one hundred and forty two
roles that includes thirty five that are already vacant. Jane
Chipschraney is The Herald's Wellington Business edit and with us
right now, Hey, Juana, hey, Heather. Sounds like a big cut,
but actually when you go back to what they were hiring,
where they were at what six or seven years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Not really, is it?

Speaker 28 (01:24:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
Exactly.

Speaker 31 (01:24:56):
So the proposal at the Reserve Bank at the moment
is to cut one hundred and forty two rolls. That
would come on top of fifteen roles being cut.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Early in the year.

Speaker 31 (01:25:06):
Those were sort of leadership roles. Now, if that all
goes ahead, that would only take staffing levels back to
what they were in twenty twenty three. God so yeah,
So in January this year there were six hundred and
sixty staff at the bank and the cuts proposed would
take it back to twenty twenty three. So Adrian Or

(01:25:27):
definitely did go on a hiring spree or the people
around him towards the end of his time at the bank.
You know, I don't want to get two in the weeds.
But basically, the Reserve Bank did do a big spend
up in twenty twenty four because it collected up money
that it hadn't spent in previous years. Like it gets

(01:25:48):
an envelope of funding from the government five the envelope,
it collected up its underspends in previous years and then
spent it all in twenty twenty four. And that's the
year that there was really that spike in staffing, so
that that was controversial and that Nicola Willis has since
come out and said, no, Brave Bank, you can't do
that again.

Speaker 10 (01:26:07):
You have to spend the money every year.

Speaker 31 (01:26:08):
But that's where the funding came from for that big jump.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Do we have any idea what kind of roles they're cutting.

Speaker 31 (01:26:16):
Well, the Reserve Bank has been typically you know, not
particularly forthcoming with information, but it has said that it'll
be enterprise services and operations. So it seems like that
is stuff that isn't you know. It's not the economics team,
it's not the team that regulates the banks and insurers,

(01:26:36):
but it's more like strategy, stakeholder engagement, risk compliance, governance,
general counsel people and culture, technology, finance, finance and data.
So it sounds like those are the areas that will
suffer the deepest cuts, whereas you know, economics, money and cash,
crudential policy, that type of thing won't be hit as hard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I talked about ASB they announced their results today. What
is that thirty three million dollars that they've set aside
for possible payouts?

Speaker 31 (01:27:05):
Good question, and the ASB CEO Victoria Shorts, she wouldn't
tell me that today.

Speaker 10 (01:27:10):
So she said it was quite normal.

Speaker 31 (01:27:13):
You know, if the bank sees that there's been a breach,
it'll go to the regulators, or the regulators will come
to it and they'll they'll work together and then the
bank will put money aside to potentially compensate customers for
that breach. Now we don't know what that is. We
don't know if it's one breach or several breaches. But
thirty three million Australian dollars that the bank has put

(01:27:35):
aside as pretty material in the scheme of ASB. So
presumably in time we'll find out what that's for and
find out what ASB has done wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Interesting. Hey, thanks very much, you know. Jane Debshraini, the
Heralds Wellington Business editor, twenty away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
Together for c Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Did I or did I not predict that there would
be heaps of exemptions to that rule out of Victoria
that requires people to be able to work from home
two days a week if they want to. This is
the just into Alan thing right when just Into Alan
announced this, like it's just nutty. You can't say to
an entire an entire state's workforce that they're allowed to
just work from home for two days a week if

(01:28:13):
it suits them. It's so nutty because I mean, there
are obviously so many work workplaces where that is not
a possibility. Firefighters cannot work from home. My job I
cannot do from home. The dudes who clean your bathroom
cannot work from home. So you're just going to have
heaps of carve outs. And sure enough, that's exactly what's
happening they are at the moment they are saying they
will absolutely most well I think i'm proper proven words

(01:28:37):
in her mouth. Absolutely maybe be exempting small businesses and
also employees who are on probation. But they are currently
seeking feedback from employers and employees on the quote real
world experience of flexible working, including what's fair, what's practical,
and what's already working. So I would say that when
they're finished with that consultation, which I think lasts for

(01:28:57):
seven days, there will be heaps more exemptions, because it's
very nice idea to do this, Like many ideas from
Disint's fellow, you know her ilk on the left, nice
ideas when you actually experience them in reality, don't really work.
But on that subject, it also looks like more is
coming at the Australian workforce because the union movement has

(01:29:19):
now indicated it's going to push for a four day
work week at the Albanesi Government's economic roundtable next week.
So that's gonna get really interesting. I mean, that's gonna
be interesting. That's gonna be awesome. Time in Victoria, isn't
it if you only have to work four days a
week because that's the new Australia rule four days a week,
but then two of them have to be at home.
I mean, heck geez, you only actually have to work

(01:29:42):
two days a week in Victoria then, because you know,
when you're at home, you're not actually working, like we
know you're not working, you're just just occasionally going and
moving the mouse. But then you're doing the dryer and
the casserole and tending to the children and making your
bed and watching Netflix two days a week for five
days a week. Pay, I'm moving there, aren't you? Seventeen
away from SEV.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Hey, by the way, I actually should have updated you
on this earlier because we are making a point now
of talking about what's happening to the kids in this country,
that we remember the case of the toddler last week
in the suitcase on the bus up north Well. The woman,
the mother of the toddler has appeared in court today.
She is asking for permanent name suppression. Judge is not
dealing with it at the moment. I think she's due

(01:30:32):
to reappear in October or something like that. Judge is
going to deal with it then. But also her fitness
to stand trial was raised, so I think you can
probably put two and two together about what kind of
a person puts a baby in a suitcase and then
their fitness to stand trial and kind of deduce something
from that. Fourteen away from seven. Really interesting thing has

(01:30:52):
appeared in the papers about depression, which I find fascinating
because I was always under the impression that there is
just one type of depression. In basically, it's your option.
Do you want to exercise and eat healthy and sleep
your way out of it and CBTU way out of it?
Or do you want to take the antideprisiants not so
Actually different types of depressions so hanging I can run
you through that shortly with us right now, as Devin

(01:31:14):
Gray are UK correspondent, Hello, Gevin Hi the hell all right?
So complete about face from the police now and they
are going to give us the ethnicities, are they?

Speaker 32 (01:31:24):
Yes, that looks like the guidance that's been issued to them.
However it is fairly wooly and still allows each different
force to sort of go about things in a different way.
So here in the UK the police are different, split
in different geographical regions, of course, and they all have
their own bosses. But what now the National Police Chiefs
Council is saying is that they should be encouraged to

(01:31:46):
disclose the ethnicity and nationality of suspects charged in high
profile and sensitive investigations. Again, so much of this is
open to their interpretation. What the aim, of course is
is to reduce through to public safety where there are
high levels of misinformation about an incident, and that of
course very much follows on a series of high profile

(01:32:09):
cases now, some of which have led to some violence
or protests on the streets. So there was a series
of high profile cases in I guess the last couple
of months, including two men reported to be Afghan asylum
seekers charged over the alleged rape of a twelve year
old girl in the Midlands, and of course people got
immediately very very upset about that and they want more

(01:32:32):
information from the police. This all stems incidentally, from just
over a year ago with the awful stabbing of those
young girls during a dance summer dance class in Southport
in northwest England, where information about the man who was
now in prison for it as or Ruder Bakhana, was
spreading like wildfire across the across the social media. It

(01:32:54):
was false in that he was not an asylum seeker,
but parts of it were true in that his parents
have come from Africa, etc. So that's why they tried
to do that, and that's why there was another incident
you'll remember the Liverpool football club parade was rammed into
by a car. The police very quickly said this is
a man from Liverpool who is a British national. So

(01:33:16):
there are changes and now this will I make it
slightly easier for the police to get through this puzzle
of how much information to release?

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Ye here enough, how's it going with the migrant arrivals via.

Speaker 32 (01:33:27):
Boat Well, there is now a target that the new
Labor government here will not have wanted to have hit
so early, So thirteen months in to their government, the
politicians have had to admit that now the number of
people crossing in small boats has passed fifty thousand. The
figures were updated about twelve fourteen hours ago and were

(01:33:51):
updated where a further four hundred and seventy four arrived
in a single day. Labor when they came to power,
pledged to smash the peace people, gus, smuggling gangs and
reduced channel crossing numbers. But opponents saying, look, this is
just a slogan. You've done nothing. You've lost control of
the borders. This fifty thousand figure is thirteen thousand higher

(01:34:13):
than for the same period last year. The government's pointing
to its new one in one out returns deal that
we were reporting on a week or so ago, Heather,
and they say it's going to act as a de terror. Well,
there's no sign of it working yet, and plenty of
people in this country field. We've been taken for a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Ride, Devin. Where do the cops get all these flesh
cars from?

Speaker 32 (01:34:34):
They have finally grown wise to the fact that many
people predominantly from the Middle East and very wealthy ship over.
They're very very expensive racing cars into the center of
London to show them off to their friends each summer
and then ship them back to their country.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Of where they live.

Speaker 32 (01:34:54):
And we are talking incredible wealthare including an identical pair
of perp Lamborghinis. Anyway, police have been told by many
local residents that the driving around of these very noisy,
very high performance vehicles, particularly at night, has become quite
dangerous and so they've seized seventy two vehicles worth about

(01:35:17):
fourteen million South African rand in a three day operation
across some very Swiss boroughs of Southwest London, High Park, Kensington, Chelsea.
The drivers have been issued with tickets for a variety
of motioning offenses and this is very interesting, Heather, including
driving with no insurance, no driving license, they've either been disqualified,

(01:35:39):
false documentation and the use of fraudulent number plates. Now
lots of them bring carst to the UK, assuming their
insurance in their home country is valid here in the
UK it often is not, their driving licenses often not.
And the idea that some other are disqualified, have no
insurance and are driving around the center of London he

(01:36:00):
frankly alarming.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Wow, Hey, thank you very much for that. Gavin appreciated
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent Nine Away from Seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Here the Why died Gavin converts to South African rands.
Does he know you live in New Zealand? I noticed
that as well. What happens is that Gavin does a
lot of Gavin talks to a lot of people around
the world. Right, He's not just giving us the news
out of the UK. He's doing a whole bunch and
he'll be doing a whole bunch of South African radio
stations as well. And so maybe what he did, I
don't know. Maybe he just had a brain fade. Maybe

(01:36:36):
he just looked at it and went out duplasy, must
be it South AFRAA No, not at all. That's rude.
And what he did, you know what he did? He
typecast me, didn't he He's stereotype. That's racist, that's what
he is. He was racist against me anyway. So I
was gonna tell you about the depression. Right, everybody thinks, oh,
we all just assume there's one kind of depression and
you can cure it. However, what you can choose how

(01:36:57):
you want to cure it. You want to take the antidepressants,
or maybe you want to exercise your way out of it,
and you know, do all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:37:02):
Not so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
The researchers at the Washington University School of Medicine and
Saint Louis found that there are actually three key types
of depression, and I mean, you know, the more they
look into us, the more this is going to expand
into other types as well. But three key types. First
type is where you feel sad but you still get
up and do your stuff right, but you just feel
miserable the whole time. The second type of depression is

(01:37:25):
that you don't feel sad, but you just can't be faffed.
You've just got such low motivation you want to go
to like you know, you know, you know, the one
where you wake up in the morning you're like, oh,
I can't wait until like I go to sleep at night.
I just can't be bothered with all of this. That's
a different type of depression. And then you've got the
third type of depression, which is combo of both, and
a lot of people get that as well. That's when
you feel sad, and you also feel unmotivated and you

(01:37:47):
just don't know what to do with yourself. Now, the
importance of the fact that they have figured out that
there are different types of depression is that it means
that you want to treat them differently, right, so they
will require different treatment. So if you've just got the
low mood, you feel sad but you can do things,
then probably the best best treatment they think for you
is an antidepressant or maybe cognitive behavioral therapy and other

(01:38:09):
talking therapies and stuff like that. If you've got the sadness,
the whammy of them, the double whammy where you got
the sadness and you don't want to do stuff, then
they reckon mindfulness is actually the one that's good for you.
On that it's just been grateful for all the stuff
around you, working your way out of it like that.
If you've got like really really really deep sadness, then

(01:38:30):
you need what they say is deep brain stimulation and
transcranial magnetic stimulation, which feels to me like it freaks
me out. It feels like electricity involved with your brain there.
And if you've just got the low low motivation, like
you're not sad, but you just can't be fasted with life.
Then it's excellent exercise or marshes.

Speaker 11 (01:38:48):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
They reckon. They reckon also that they've discovered there's a
thing that's going on with inflammation in the body. So
people who are depressed often have inflammation elsewhere in their body.
And that's interesting because often maybe that if you've got
inflammation and in the rest of your body, you got
inflammation in your brain, and maybe that's causing your depression.
They reckon. They don't know what's going on there yet,
but in five years they will, so hey, maybe we

(01:39:11):
are getting closer and closer to actually figuring out why
people get gloomy.

Speaker 30 (01:39:16):
And Santa Gold lies Artists to play us out tonight.
Santa Gold's that singing elis Artistas is a song Santa
Gold is going to be playing at Rhythm and Alps
Festival at the end of the year. Of the New Year,
a couple of it. The whole lineup's been announced. The
other headline is Rudimental and this one will be controversial
Dizzy Rascal, Who've gotten There was a bit of controversy
the last time he was announced in the New Year's

(01:39:37):
Festival because domestic violence Convection MAC in the UK. But yeah,
there we also Dombrisky canein interruptive him a whole bunch.

Speaker 9 (01:39:44):
Of other people.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Look, will we say Santa Gold? Is it like s
A N T I g o ld?

Speaker 30 (01:39:49):
I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
It sounded like Santa couls, So I just wanted to
clarify that.

Speaker 30 (01:39:53):
Yeah, all one word as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Yeah, thank you for that, and so it sounds fascinating. Hey,
enjoy the evening. We will see you again tomorrow. News Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
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