Full Show Podcast: 13 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplessy Drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming
up today, Al Gillespie is going to talk us through
the chances of Israel via Ran becoming World War three
very low. He says, We're going to speak to a
former US transport accident investigator about that Air India plane
crash and what caused it. Plus the Blues Boss Andrew
hoare on the big game this weekend. Heather Dupicyl, will

(00:35):
we tell you about my colleague Kylie's reaction to that
Air India plane crash last night? She was in bed,
she was playing on her phone as you do. The
news came in at about nine o'clock. Immediately she suspected it,
looked up what kind of plane it was, exactly as
she thought, a Boeing. Then immediately looked up what plane
her twelve year old daughter is on to Somemore the Sunday,
exactly as she expected a Boeing, and she freaked out. Now,

(00:57):
fortunately for her, she's got a partner with common see
and actually she herself is reasonably rational, so she's not
going to be pulling her daughter off that flight, but
she is still feeling incredibly uncomfortable about it. And look,
I don't blame her for that. I would bet that
she's not alone in reacting like this. And just assuming
this is a Boeing problem, truth is, we don't actually
know that this is a Boeing problem. Yes, it was

(01:19):
a Boeing plane, but there is a very very good
chance that this is actually a pilot problem because it
looks like the pilot may not have extended the wing flaps.
But trouble for Boeing is it does not have the
same benefit of the doubt that a plane maker would
normally have with a crash like this because of all
of the problems that Boeing has already had in the
last ten years. Never mind the fact that the problems

(01:39):
have been with the seven three seven narrow body planes
and this is a seven eight seven, which is completely different.
Never Mind that Boeing shares fell immediately they have stayed down. Now,
I would say that speed is of the essence here
for the people who are doing the investigation with getting
those answers out, these investigators I understand, have about thirty
days under international expectations to issue the preliminary findings, but

(02:02):
they should all things going well, have answers out of
that flight data record, the flight data recorders within days,
if not hours, of the crash, and then I think
the sooner that the public are told what has happened,
the better for Boeing's sake, and Boeing will be hoping
like hell that the answers clear the plane and unfortunately
blame the pilot. Ever do for see Ellen, as I say,

(02:23):
we'll speak to her an air accident investigator, after five
and get her take on what's gone down here. Nineteen
nine two is the text number. Now, the National Library
wants to destroy half a million unwonted books from its collection.
The library says most of the titles have not been
issued for the last twenty to thirty years, and attempts
to donate the books in the past have only resulted
in modest pickup. Mark Crookston is the director of Content

(02:45):
Services at the National Library.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
With us now, how Mark, hello, Heather, how are you
very well?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Thank you? What kind of books are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
The books are predominantly nonfiction. Over ninety percent of them
in nonfiction. Most of them were listed in the middle
of last century, so from about the nineteen thirties about
the nineteen eighties, and they were either inherited by the
National Library when the National Ibry came about in nineteen

(03:12):
sixty five, or collected soon after that for the purposes
of supporting people wanting to borrow them who couldn't get
them from their own library, their own public library. So
the National Library provides a lending service to other libraries
to support their communities.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
What kind of books are we talking about.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
So the nonfiction predominantly that covers the whole range of
subjects across the Jewy decimal classification. So a couple that
caught my eye that went I've walked through there got
thousands of travel guides and travel compendiums, for example, the
people in the redundant Now that it's right, will people
get their travel information from sources that are not from

(03:57):
mid twentieth century level guides or travel stories? Things like
there's a lot of technical information in me, a lot
of sort of technical mathematics books, technical DIY books for
people who are wanting to do DIY related.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Which is also redundant. Isn't it because of videos both.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
All right, that's right. You can get your sources from
a range of different places now rather than a mid century.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Some of the books, though, are not as crappy as that,
because apparently the owner of hard to find books reckons
that some of these books would retail for three hundred
to five hundred dollars. He's cited the example of a
two volume set bibliography of UFO books from the nineteen fifties.
Have you tried to sell the books?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
We did not consider sale as one of the options.
We have a policy on removal and disposal and that's
available on the National ob.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Does your policy exclude trying to sell the books?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
No, it doesn't. It says that in terms of consideration,
considered transfer, donation, sale destruction. So we undertook the transfer option.
We had our own experts go through the collection and
we selected about thirty thousand items to come into another
part of the National Library collection that we held other libraries.

(05:18):
We made the list available to other libraries and they
selected about fifteen thousand. We donated some to charities a
few years ago for sale and revenue generation for them.
That proved to be largely unsuccessful and largely reinforced. What
we thought about this is that there's not that much

(05:39):
demand for these books.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Okay, and we.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Considered sale, but it's quite an expensive.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Undertaking because of the man hours that it would take
to sort of take the books, take the books out
to the curb, put them into trolleys, label them with
one dollar each.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I mean it's easy to think that, you know,
it's quite a simple process intensive, it's very labor intensive.
It's to the tune of several hundreds of thousands of
dollars that we didn't think was good use of taxpayer
money for items that are not New Zealand or Pacific items,
which is what our concentration and our purpose is in
the National Library of New Zealand. They're not they're from

(06:20):
a lending collection that's not being they're not wanted, and
spending several hundred thousand dollars in order to prepare them
for sale. We didn't think was.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Partly do you just shove them through a shredder?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, we don't do that. Specifically, there's commercial operations in
New Zealand that that that have documented document destruction services.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Hey, brilliant, Thank you so much. Mark, I really appreciate
it on this. Mark Crookston, director of Content Services the
National Library. I mean most of that stuff. Now, you
know what it got me thinking when I read about
this earlier in the week, I did start to wonder
if the old the old book is old technology, and
if we're just sort of one of the last few
generations that actually are going to use books because eventually

(07:02):
the kids are just going to get all the stuff
on the internet, including the books. I mean, I don't
know about you, but the Kendall doesn't do this. It's
not the same, Like I really want to hold that
jain ardur And book in my hands, do you know
what I mean, rather than just looking at it through
a Kendlege Really because she signed my copy, did you
know that? Yes, it's autographed. Sixty dollars though for that
autograph copy. Now, if you're in the solar power I've

(07:25):
got some good news for you. If you haven't got
it yet, well or in fact, if you've got it,
the government's going to make changes to try to encourage
solar power use solar panels on the roof, so they're
gonna get They're gonna make it easier for you to
actually get sola if you wanted. So if you promise
to put sola on your house, your house will get
consented faster. I mean you're only saving ten days, but hey,
ten days is ten days. Council. Councils are supposed to

(07:48):
consent builds in twenty working days. They'll do yours and
ten working days, so it's only two weeks. And also,
if you've reready got the solar panels, you will be
allowed to sell more power back to the grid. So
we're gonna have a chat to the Minister responsible. Crispining,
he's with us after six quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drave Full Show podcast
on aheard radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
That'd be eighteen pass four. Jason Pines sports talkhosters with well,
actually weekend sport hosters with me right now a pony, Hello, Heather, Now,
how do you feel about the lucky loser at the
end of this week.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Whether it won't be one at the end of this week,
which I think is good. Right, We've got two semi
finals in the format that we're accustomed to. The Crusaders
will play the Blues tonight. The Chiefs will play the
Brumbes tomorrow night. The winners will play the Grand Final.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
The losers can Crusaders.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
A lot of people about a lot of people are
backing the Blues tonight. I just can't see it, Heather,
I can't see it. And well, let's start historically. As
we know the status been thrown around all week. The
Crusaders have never lost a knockout match at home. Never
in the history of Super Rugby. That's thirty three to
zero straight games that teams have gone to christ to
try and beat the Crusaders in a knockout game and
none of them have been successful. Look, the Blues played

(09:02):
well against the Chiefs last week to keep their season alive.
As you know, as the sixth seed going in, they
had to win. They knew they had to they did.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
I just can't see them beating the Crusaders tonight, and
then tomorrow night. I think the Chiefs bounce back, the
Brumbies will cross the Tasman. I think the stat's similar.
I don't think any Australian team has ever won a
knockout match in New Zealand, so history against the Brumbies
as well. So yeah, I think if we're if we're
having a yarn a week from now, which we probably
won't be because it's Martadiki, but I could text you
maybe I think it's Crusaders Chiefs next Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well we're having a yarn on Monday, aren't we. Well
let's do that.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Let's do that, Let's see how we go.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
We'll do that. We'll do that. Because I feel like
you just forgot that for a minute there, Hayem. Ryan
Fox a little off the pace safe.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, but not too much off the pace when you
consider the overall structure of the leaderboard. He's too over,
so you think to you, so I think a Ryan
Fox has shot too over. That's not a great round really,
but only ten of one hundred and fifty six golfers
went under par so actually he's not in bad shape.
He hasn't, you know, blown out spectacularly. There are a
lot of good golfers who were worse than him in

(10:05):
the first round. Rory McElroy four over, for example. You
know a guy who's at the top of his game,
war has been up until recently anyway, So look he's
he hasn't blown out. And it's a course where scoring
is pretty difficult. So look the guys who are at
the top of the leaderboard today. You know, I could
be very well off the mark here, but I haven't

(10:27):
heard of half of them, so I'm not sure that
they have four good rounds in them. I think Brian Fox,
you know, the way he's playing, just has to keep
his head down. And you know, even a top twenty
finish in a major is pretty darn good. So I reckon,
that's what it's about.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Thirty third, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, tie thirty third, but only six shots off the pace,
so you know, six shots off the lead. And you
know there's a bunch of golfers on on sort of
one over, two over, so you know, a couple of
early birdies. He te's off tonight. He's one of the
early early starters over there. So about five to eleven tonight.
So by the time we wake up tomorrow morning, we'll
know what second round Wilson hopefully he's made the curtain

(11:02):
looking good.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, good for him, Piney, thank you. Enjoy your rugby
this week. Who are you rooting for?

Speaker 5 (11:06):
By the way, I've got no skin in this game whatsoever,
And either of these games, I just hope everybody has fun.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's so in keeping with your personality. You are that guy.
I really appreciate you saying that. Jason pine Weekend Spport
host Piney's like that. He's just like, do you know what,
just as long as everybody enjoys that, I don't really care.
What a good dude. Now, Listen. I was asking him
about the Lucky Loser because I can't make up a
mind if I like this thing or not, because I
really want to hate it because I don't want to
reward losers. But then at the same time, so I

(11:34):
want to hate it, right, But then should the Chiefs
not actually be in the final? Because they actually deserve
to be in the final, don't They've played the best
all year, all the way through the season, so it's
good that they're there and they deserve it. But then
at the same time, they don't deserve it because they
actually lost against the Blues. So if they don't get
knocked out, where's jeopardy and the thing? And what's the
point of the knockout round? So I'm conflicted. We'll put

(11:55):
that through to the Sports Huttle. They can answer that
question for US four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
The big stories of the day forward, it's Heather Duplic
on drive with one New Zealand let's get connected the
news dogs.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Quite simply, they retracted the flaps instead of lifting the
landing gear. This is on the plane heither re the
bowing crash has to be human error undercarriage. Down flaps
up should be the other way around at this point,
and thank you very much. What is fascinating about this, obviously,
for every single one of us, is how on oath everybody?
And sadly obviously, but how on oath everybody on that
flight dies except for old mates sitting in eleven A,

(12:32):
who just doesn't. He isn't even really that hurt. It's
remarkable everybody else is dead and he's walking around now.
It's probably quite obviously because of where he was sitting
in eleven A, which is next to the exit right.
So they've done it about about I want to say,
about thirty years ago. So they did a study on

(12:53):
survivability on a plane and apparently if you are sitting
within five rows of an exit row, that is your
greatest chance of survival. Anyone sitting further away from that,
in like six plus rows away from an exit row,
you are more likely to die than you are to
live if you survive the initial injuries of the impact.
The thing is, nobody knows how the sky got out, right,

(13:14):
did he actually get out through the exit door? In
which case did he open because this thing went down
in thirty seconds, right, so did he open the door
in thirty seconds? Or he was facing an air stewart.
Did that air stewart open the door for him and
then unfortunately die themselves. Or was it just that where
he was sitting it sheared off the fuselage that but
and he just walked out. Might have also survived. I mean,

(13:37):
obviously luck plays an enormous part of this. But might
have also survived because where he was sitting falls within
what is described as the sturdy wing box of a plane.
Around the wings, it's all welded together and stuff that's
really really structurally sound, and he was that's the strongest
area of the plane. He happened to have been sitting there. Anyway,
we're going to talk to Mary Chiavo, who's the former
US air Transport investigator, will be with us after five

(13:59):
o'clock and maybe just give us a few clues on
this as full twenty six. Do you remember this? Look fine?

Speaker 7 (14:07):
Looking good?

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Those good old days of TV ads? You remember it?
But you know Columbine was made in New Zealand. I
didn't know that Columbine is finally closing. It's actually New
Zealand's last hosary manufacturer August one, so it's less than
two months away. They will be closing their doors after
seventy five years, and it will mean the loss of
forty five jobs at the Gisbane plant and obviously will

(14:30):
affect effect has been quite badly. And I'm very sad
to hear that, actually, because it's the end of an era.
But I'm determined to see the bright side of this,
which is isn't it a good thing that we like?
Thank God we don't have to wear pantyhose anymore, do
you know what I mean? Because I feel like, still
about twenty years ago, you could still rock a pair
of pantyhose or underneath your skirt, and because I did,

(14:51):
and nobody would think it was weird. But now if
you came out with a pair of panty hose on,
I'd be like, what are you doing with your life?
But thank God for that, because that was a lot
of hassle, Wasn't it like they were ripping all the time?
Like how much money did we spend in the nineteen
eighties on panty hose? And how much hassle? How irritated
were you at the kids all the time? It always

(15:13):
be ripping it and just you know you're putting a
little trying to put a little your nail vanish on
to stop the tears. Oh thank god.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Headlines next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks. That'd be.

Speaker 9 (15:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
We're going to elderly speed after five o'clock on what
happens next? Now that Israel has hit some targets in Iran,
you would have seen heard in the headlines just then
that the man who's found guilty of murdering the christ
Church real estate agent Jung Fabao has now been sentenced
to life. Unbelieved. This guy is unreal. He was acting

(16:07):
up and caught something chronic. Today he was kicked out
of his own sentencing hearing for basically going off at
the judge. So what happened was, first of all, he
needed to speak to his lawyers because he was confused
at what the hearing was about. Apparently didn't think it
was his sentencing, thought it was his appeal. He repeatedly shouted, yelled,
waved his fist, interrupted, the judge directed comments at the
public gallery. So the judge at this point, Lisa Preston,

(16:29):
was not gonna have a bar of this nonsense, and
she adjourned it and they all took a little bit
of a break, and then they came back and he
just kicked off again, started screaming and yelling again, refused
to listen to directions from the justice. She ordered him
out of the court room again. Word is that he
went away and had a bit of a nap. Anyway,
they obviously managed to get on with things because they
just sentenced him to life. But our reporter in court

(16:49):
was analyisk and she'll be with us later on to
explain exactly what on earth was going on here and
what this chap's problem is going to the US very
very shortly. Right now, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
World wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Israel has attacked Iran. Explosions have been reported in the
capital Tehran. Here's Israeli Prime Minister Ben yamanet Yahu.

Speaker 10 (17:09):
We struck at the heart of Iran's nuclear weaponization program.
We targeted Iran's main enrichment facility in Natans. We targeted
Iran's leading nuclear scientists working on the Iranian bomb.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Now they revised the number of people who've died in
the streamline and crashed down to two hundred and forty.
Turns out that some body parts were counted a couple
of times. Many of those were passengers on the plane.
But somewhere in the building that the aircraft crashed into,
and this man saw the crash happen.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I heard a loud explosion.

Speaker 11 (17:37):
Then I went to the spot and SARSMOK belonging on.

Speaker 7 (17:40):
We went in with the emergency response team and helped
to pull the body soul.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
Everything was charred.

Speaker 12 (17:46):
It was very difficult.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
And the heat coming from it was Incan's. And finally,
a US congressman has brought an Almo soft toy onto
the floor of the House of Representatives. Takim Jeffrey says
the Republicans should reconsider cutting the funding of PBS, which
broadcast Sesame Street.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
How can this be that your priority right now is
Republicans do nothing on the economy, nothing to make life
more affordable, nothing to address.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
The hard cost of living.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
Instead, Republicans are attacking El Mole and Sesame Street.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Jonathan Kearsley, Channel nine US correspondents with US Now. Hey Jonathan,
Hello Heather, to you and all of the listeners. Jonathan,
what's been the US's reaction to what Israel's just got
up to.

Speaker 13 (18:35):
Well, essentially, what we've seen is Donald Trump convene a
cabinet level meeting. He's going to bring his National Security
Council together in the hours ahead, less than twelve hours
or so from now, and Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,
put out a statement. Essentially, it was really interesting because
it didn't exactly fully support Israel. It said that this
was a unilateral decision that Israel had taken, that the

(18:57):
US had not been involved, that the would look after
its troops and send a message to Iran not to
think about coming after American assets or American personnel. So
clearly the United States and Israel have been in talks
about this for days there have been rumblings that this
attack from Israel was going to come. There's some reporting
around in the Wall Street Journal in the early hours

(19:19):
of this morning, as it is now, that says that
Donald Trump told Beniminettnia, who earlier in the week, do
not do this. Do not do this, try and find
a diplomatic way through this, and don't go down this path.
Just a matter of hours ago, the US President had
said he wanted to avoid conflict. He's been trying to
seek a nuclear deal with Iran. He wanted to bring
Iran to the table. Now it seems that's highly unlikely.

(19:45):
I cannot see a position where the United States Iran
can have nuclear talks if Iran is threatening to take
such severe retaliation to Israel, as the Supreme Leader says
that they are going to do. This is an extraordinary
situation that one again has the world watching a region
on the brink of all that conflict.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Has Israel managed to take out the things they wanted
to take out.

Speaker 13 (20:09):
There's some initial reporting coming out of some of the
Iranian state media that says some of their key nuclear
facilities have been severely damaged or destroyed. We know that
the head of the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps General Soslami
has been killed in these attacks. There's been a number
of other senior figures who've also reportedly been killed, and scientists.

(20:36):
Nuclear scientists were also among thost targeted. As well, you're
not going to take out everything in one hit, and
I think this is why Israel is saying that this
is going to be days and days and days of pressure.
So we saw a first wave, and we saw that
reporting come through, and then we saw the second wave
of attacks come through, and I think this is what
you'll see of the course of the next forty eight
hours or so. Is These attacks will most likely come

(20:57):
during the night. They will target key assets that Israel
is looking to try and destroy. Iran has been significantly weakened,
and I think what you see at the moment too,
is Israel perhaps sees a window of opportunity to do
what it's been essentially wanting to do for the best
part of well years. Really, it's been wanting to try

(21:17):
and carry out these attacks. It's been wanting to squash
the threat from Iran, and now it sees itself as
having a chance to do that. So Bena Minettio has
certainly been strong in his language. He's saying that this
is in cohorts with the United States, that he was
very much publicly thanking President Trump for all of his actions,
still seemingly trying to reach out and garner his support

(21:40):
almost at this time. But I think the next as
I said, the next twenty four to forty eight hours
and this are going to be incredibly crucial. Iran Supreme
leader doesn't mince his words, also doesn't necessarily always follow
through with the actions, but this time around, you get
a sense that Iran is serious. So how is it
going to retaliate? What's the retaliation going to be, and
when's it going to come?

Speaker 14 (22:00):
They're going to be the key question.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Okay, Now, listen, what happens now that the federal judge
has basically ruled in California's favor with these National Guard issues.

Speaker 13 (22:10):
Well, they had, and then in came the appeals court
about half an hour ago and has essentially put a
stay in place for what looks like to be four days.
So the National Guard remains in place, and remains in
place over the course of the weekend. So that appeal
had been launched by the federal government almost immediately, as
you mentioned, that federal court ruling had said that yes,

(22:31):
Donald Trump had put them there illegally, he had overtaken
them illegally, and that they essentially needed to be removed.
But then in came the appeals court and said, well,
hang on a minute, no, let's put a stay on this.
We want to assess this, we want to have a
look at this. And this often happens with Donald Trump's cases.
He will lose one of they federal court level, go
to an appeals court, the appeals court will say, well,

(22:51):
hang on a minute, let's just stay this and see
what happens. So you're going to see the National Guard
stay and that's going to be crucial because in forty
eight hours from now, there are going to be massive
nationwide protests planned on exactly the same day that Donald
Trump holds his military parade.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Jeez, hey, Jonathan, thanks so much for talking us through.
To appreciate it. Jonathan Keresley, Channel nine US correspondent Dan
is not with us today because Dan is helping his
daughter move his daughter as an adult. But how old's
his daughter is?

Speaker 12 (23:21):
About?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Nineteen, isn't she It's like in nineteen or twenty Your
college move? Is it your job as a parent? Never
ends a even she can absolutely move by her self.
For parents, just fusst. We just want to be in
there in their faces, helping them out the whole time.
So that's what Dan's doing, so bless them for that.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I used to spend a shike load on the Pantyhoso
has bought the silk ones? Oh, sue your flash. Hither
the wives pantyhose were great for storing and hanging onions
in the shed. Hey, now you're gonna have to find
something else. Hither, How am I going to strain the
lumps out of my paint without the panty hose? The pantyhose,
it turned out we're not just great for wearing, but
had multiple multiple uses. Once once one of the children

(23:58):
had punctured a hole in it, Heather, I used to
go to bed with curlers and a pair of pantyhose
on my bed to keep the curlers in, just to
tie them in a big bow and then curl up
my side bits and stick them down with salad yes, yes,
stick them down with salo tape. And in the morning
I spent ages rubbing the marks off from the salo
tape and then teasing and spraying, and by the time
I bite to college, I look like Phillistilla in the

(24:19):
nineteen seventies. A good from you. The old pantyhose. This
is a thing, you know, Chill. My children's age three
and under, four and under. We're gonna have to explain
to them what the stuff is. They're going to be like,
what the actual hell is a pantyhose? And a VHS
sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
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Speaker 2 (24:41):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us.

Speaker 14 (24:43):
Hey Thomas, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
All right, so is it a bit late in the
piece for Luxe and to be making his first trip
to China.

Speaker 14 (24:50):
Yeah, it's roughly the same time that most of our
leaders have gone. Just under Return tried for a long
time to get one chees. She'd delayed it at the
end of twenty eighteen, I believe. So it's roughly roughly
in the in the middle of the packing terms of
when you make your first visit.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and Winston going.

Speaker 14 (25:10):
Winston, to my knowledge, is not going.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Now, I am quickly. Questions have been raised about whether
Winston should go or not. I don't see this as
a problem to you.

Speaker 14 (25:19):
No, the last couple of prime ministerial visit visits to China,
certainly the last one I was on with Chris Hepkins.
The Foreign Minister didn't go and I didn't didn't like
traveling that much, and I well, I'm scratching my memory
about the just thinda returned ones. But it's not it's
not always. I mean, some countries they tend to you

(25:39):
tend to have a head of government traveling with their
foreign minister. New Zealand we don't really do that that much.
The leader usually, you know, is usually quite capable of
handling things on their own right.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And then it's off to Europe after that. Any chance
of meeting Donald Trump, Yes.

Speaker 14 (25:54):
I said there's a good chance of meeting Donald Trump.
Christopher Laxon's going to the NATO, the NATO Leader's Summit,
and the Hague and the Netherlands. Donald Trump has confirmed
his attendance. Quite as you know that these natives. Something's
quite good for New Zealand because they're quite small. You
get about thirty odd thirty odd leaders in the room together,
so you've got actually got quite a good opportunity of

(26:16):
meeting someone I'd say a full scale bile at with
with Donald Trump, like a one on one meeting, as
the chances of that are pretty pretty small. But there's
a there's always a dinner, there's a big sort of
group group meeting where all the leaders get together.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
And in that Christopher Luckson will I'm sure attempt what
is called in the business of pull aside, so that is,
you know, being your your best bols yourself, uh and
just just going up to the guy and and and
and trying to diplomatically give him a piece of your mind.
So so I imagine at that dinner and at that
big event, at the big the full meeting with all

(26:51):
the leaders together, Christoph Luckson is going to try and
make sure he gets some FaceTime with Donald Trump just
what he has to say. Obviously, we're keen to ensure
that we're the free trading system survives. Donald Trump is
less keen on net And obviously we've we've got this
unfolding situation in the Middle East, which is not great
for anyone. And then obviously Christopher Lacksan finding himself in
the middle of the US China at tension as well.

(27:13):
So he's got many things to talk to Donald Trump about.
Just which one is at the top of his list.
There's only something only he knows at the moment, full board.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
What did he say? This is Luxan? What did he
say about Iran?

Speaker 14 (27:23):
Yeah, he said that obviously this is pretty distressing at
the moment, is Rael launching a premium to strike on Iran.
He said this would be potentially catastrophic for the Middle East,
and he urged all sides to to to escalate. He
also warned of the risk of miscalculation, which is which
is probably right, Uh, you know, and and and these
fast moving situations, the chart that someone does something stupid

(27:45):
and miscalculates is very high. So he is urging urging Khan.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Thank you very much, Thomas. Well, we'll chat you a
little bit later on rap the political week. That was
about quarter past six. It's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political
Editor's turn away from five.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
In the tough questions the news speakers, the Mike Husking breakfair.

Speaker 15 (28:02):
Interesting stats on our public service workforces down three point
one percent. What's that meaning?

Speaker 16 (28:06):
Jobs?

Speaker 15 (28:06):
Well, two thousand are gone, but quarterly we now have
a zero point four percent increase. Cameron bagrif independent economists with.

Speaker 17 (28:13):
Us that old sort of adage about this lies as
damn lies and statistics now survive are locker goverment person
and our expenses are up three point one percent. That
doesn't personify too much of a tightening in regard to
what's going on, So there might be a little bit
of hodgepodgings. There's a lot of writers for about the
government tightening the belt, but all the savings are backloaded
to the structural gift, so it's still deteriorating over the

(28:33):
coming twelve months. It's going to get wet back.

Speaker 15 (28:36):
Monday from six am, the Mike Husking Breakfast with Maybe's
Real Estate Newstalk.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
ZB Now listen to this at seven away from five
listen to this. Okay, this video going around at the
moment on social media. It's actually going viral, which is
the important part of this is going viral of a
Democratic senator being removed and handcuffed. What happened was the
Homeland Security Secretary was giving a press conference. In this chap,
try to bust in, bust in and ask a question.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Sir, sir, hands up, I'm senator Alex Padi, I have
questions for the secretary.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So so obviously what happens then is he's not supposed
to be there. The people who are in charge of
security take him outside in the corridor, handcuff.

Speaker 18 (29:17):
Him on your back, behind my back, all right, one
hand lake flat lake clatt other hands, turning other.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Hand, and then afterwards it gives a press conference, and
that Alex Padilla just milks it.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
If this is how this administration responds to a senator
with a question, If this is how the Apartment of
Homeland Security responds to a senator with a question, you
can only imagine what they're doing to farmers to cut
two day laborers out in the Los Angeles community and

(29:53):
throughout the country.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Now, before you feel sorry for the guy, I know
that it was a stunt, right because nobody busts in
on somebody's live press conference unless they're trying to make
a name for themselves, and nobody may I mean, the
whole thing is just as it's been pointed out to
me that the thing is designed to play to a crowd, right,
So he is totally by getting himself arrested and handcuffed. Perfect,

(30:14):
It's exactly what he wanted, so he will not be
feeling sorry for himself at all.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Ever, do for the alm.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Have you heard of the pizza Index, Get yourself across
this thing. The pizza Index has been across the internet
all day to day because the pizza Index predicted the
Israeli Iran conflict that we're now in the middle of. Basically,
what it is is what it means is that when
pizza places around the Pentagon start getting unusually busy, it
means that something is going down because it's an indication

(30:42):
that the defense workers inside the Pentagon are too busy
to leave their desks, so they ordered the pizzas in
to come to them, And the Pizza Index showed that
it got really busy at a couple of pizza places
about twenty four hours before this business went down with
Israel and Iran. So at seven o'clock Wednesday night, their
time Extreme Peach Pizza, which is the pizza place closest

(31:03):
to the Pentagon, I'm reliably told, was about twice as
busy as it normally would be on a Wednesday at
seven o'clock at night. District Pizza Palace, which is a
little bit further away, was a lot busy. It was
about three times busier than it normally would be at
seven o'clock on a Wednesday night. The same thing happened
apparently during at the start of the First Gulf War,

(31:23):
the same thing happened during Clinton's impeachment proceedings, and the
same thing happened during the cost of a conflict, and
of course on Wednesday night. Now, I mean, we're obviously
not going to make a habit of having a look
at extreme Pizza and District Pizza Palace ourselves, but hopefully
the CNN guys and the MSNBC guys and the Fox

(31:44):
guys are onto it and they can keep an eye
on it for us. Here the most likely, it's most
unlikely the pilots would have taken off without their flaps
being set, because there is a takeoff configuration warning system.
This is from a retired pilot who flew only Boeing's David,
Thank you very much. Absolutely, this is one of the
things that's confound people because it does look like what
happened with the Air India plane is that the flaps

(32:04):
weren't extended. I mean, basically, people who have looked at
the video so you can see very clearly the flaps
aren't extended, and it's very important that they are, especially
if you're flying in a place like that particular part
of India where the air is quite thin and it's
really hot and stuff like that. But as David points
out on the text, what's weird about it is if
the flaps aren't extended when they're supposed to be, it
should normally send a little warning to the pilots. The

(32:27):
plane should be sending a pilot a warning to them saying, hey,
this is a problem. So it should have been picked up.
But what makes us even more curious is that it's
now emerged that there is another seven eight seven, which
is this particular plane that is identical to this one
that made four emergency landings in less than a month
earlier this year, was an American Airlines plane, and some
of those emergency landings were also because it had issues

(32:50):
with the wing flaps. So we'll speak to that retired
or former US air accident investigators shortly and just find
out what the hell she things happened here newstalks be.

Speaker 19 (33:03):
Quote who get quote, oh, I get decen with my.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Digging through the spin spence to find the real story gory.
It's either dupis the on drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks. That'd be.

Speaker 11 (33:33):
Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Iran is warning that Israel and the US will pay
a heavy price for today's attacks on Tehran. The attacks
hit several sites in Iran link to the country's nuclear program.
And now Al Gillespie is a White Cuttle University law
professor with US. Now, hey, el, hey, could this lead
to World War three? Or is that an overreaction?

Speaker 20 (33:51):
That's an overreaction. I think you're safe to plan for
your weekend. I think it could get bad, but I
don't think it's going to be a cataclysmic conflict.

Speaker 9 (33:59):
How bad, Well, we don't know how Iran will respond,
but we know that they've got proxies in Yemen, in
Syria and in Lebanon, but most of these have already
been muted by Israel in advance.

Speaker 20 (34:12):
The good news, if there is news, is that Iran
has no formal allies, like Russia is not going to
come to aid in nethers China.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
And so basically that's what stops it spilling into something
much bigger.

Speaker 20 (34:24):
That's right, And also Israel has a huge superiority militarily
over Iran, and so it's unlikely that they're going to
be able to respond in kind. You can think about
the previous missile attack that Iran did on Israel following
the assassination, and most of it was deflected quite easily.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So what do you think Iran is likely to do
in retaliation.

Speaker 20 (34:45):
I think they will bide their time. I think they
will hope that Israel would put boots on the grounds
in one of the countries that they have an influence in,
and that's where they've got more of a chance of
inflicting some pain on them. I can't see a strategic
response in terms of a large missile. They're not yet
nuclear capable. They're probably close, but this will push them
back for many years.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Why is Israel doing this right now? Ol It feels
a little bit like they're using their existing war to
as cover I suppose to be able to do all
the things they want to do.

Speaker 20 (35:18):
I think there's probably truth in that. I think it's
proving its a very good distraction because there's a lot
of legitimate criticism of some Israeli actions right now. But
on the other hand, it's possible that they're aware that
Iran is closer to making a bomb than they have
been for quite some time. I mean, they're up to
sixty percent purity in highly enriched uranium and they've probably

(35:38):
got enough material for about nine bombs. They're not at
the point where they're likely to have one yet, but
they're getting close. But they've been close for decades, but
now they may have just crossed the line. And Israel
will never tolerate in nuclear on Iran.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
And do you think what Israel has done today and
will do over the next few days will set them
back sufficiently?

Speaker 20 (36:00):
I think it will be an ongoing process because it's
not just targeting the facilities, it's also targeting people. And
aside from the questions of the legality of that, it's
the practicality of continually trying to keep your boot on
another country, trying to keep them suppressed in terms of
their science and their development, and it will be a
very hard task. And alls this will do is not

(36:22):
only create more hatred for Miran for Israel, it will
make other countries in the region, like Saudia Arabia think well,
maybe now we should be pursuing the nuclear option as well.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Interesting, Hey, l I really appreciate your time as always.
Al Gillespie, Waikatol University law.

Speaker 11 (36:34):
Professor Togeather Duplessy.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Lots of questions after that crash of the Boeing seven
eight seven jet in India. The Air India flight to
London crashed into a hostel for doctors shortly after take off.
It's now the largest aviation disaster in a decade. Mary
Schiavo is a former Inspector General at the US Department
of Transportation. Hey, Mary, Hi, good to be with you.
There is some speculation that what's gone wrong here is

(36:57):
a flap issue. Does it look like that to you?

Speaker 21 (37:01):
Well, what's interesting is in the videos that we have
now seen from two different vantage points, it does look
that like the flaps are not deployed, and that's always
a serious issue, especially when it's hot out because the
hot decreases the performance of the plane and you need
those flaps more than ever. However, in this plane, it's

(37:23):
very modern plane, obviously one of the newest ones, the
newest model of plane that Boying produces. The aircraft should
have given a warning if there was not a proper
flap setting, and that would be on both the flight
data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Okay, so at this stage two, is it too early
to tell whether it is a problem with the pilot
who didn't deploy the flaps or the plane that didn't
tell the pilot that the flaps weren't deployed.

Speaker 21 (37:49):
Well, too early to tell. But you can see this
on the second video that's surfaced, the one that's a
slightly different vantage point, and you can see that or
a plane is taking up a good part of the runway.
You can see in that video that the plane is
moving very slowly, and certainly the pilot should have noticed

(38:10):
that you have two decision points in your takeoff roll
B what's called B one and the other one is
called B two, And if you haven't hit certain speeds
in certain performances, you need to abort that takeoff before
you pass those two points, especially at an airport that
does not have what's called runway overrun areas or restor beds,

(38:35):
because if you can't lift off at the end of
that runway in an airport like that, there's no way out.
Slight assumed.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
What does this mean for Boeing?

Speaker 21 (38:47):
I think that's the real interesting question here, because of
Boeing difficulties and because of the two crashes of the
seven thirty seven Max eight. Now this is a seven
eighty seven, that's seven thirty seven, entirely different aircraft model.
I think the Boeing is going to be on the
hot seat to prove a negative you know, ordinarily, and

(39:11):
and it will be the same here. The accident investigation
is a very formal procedure. They have different working groups
that address everything from aircraft performance, survivability, pilot performance, weather, runway, airport,
you name it. And but here I think Boeing starts
out underwater. They literally are going to have the burden

(39:34):
to prove that that it's not the aircraft's fault, rather
than starting out with to prove what it was. Just
because Boeing has such you know, has such a bad
you know track record recently, and ordinarily, you know, they'd say, well,
you know, there's no evidence that we did anything wrong.

(39:56):
I think Boeing's going to have to show here's the
evidence that we did not do anything wrong. And that's
that's tough. That's a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Mary, how did that guy survive?

Speaker 21 (40:09):
You know what's really interesting is I have worked so
many tragically I guess I have a very sad job,
but I have worked so many accidents over the years,
and I have had other accidents where there was a
sole survivor or a few people survived. And it's always
a combination between just just luck. You happen to be
in the right place at the right time. That's part

(40:31):
of it. And then the second part is usually your
willingness to get up and run, fight your way out,
do whatever you have to do to get out. And
of course that you know, that assumes that there's a fire. Now,
if there's no fire modern aircraft, now, I've worked several
crashes where the plane was completely destroyed and everyone survived.

(40:55):
So the issue is a if there's a fire, then
that really this is your chance of survival. Two, if
you're lucky enough to be in the right spot where
you can get out, next to an emergency exitter where
the plane breaks open. Several crashes I've worked, people got
out because the plane happened to break right where they are.
And then three, you know, the willingness to literally walk

(41:19):
through fire to save your life. And I've had several
cases where I have, you know, met amazing people who've
had to do just that walk through fire to save
your lives.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well, Mary, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. Mary Sciavo,
Former Inspector General, US Department of Transportation isten going to
get you across all that drama in court today at
the sentencing caught a past.

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do for see Allen coming up nineteen past five. So
it was a fair bit of drama in court for
the sentencing of the man who killed Christ Church Realists.
That agent Jon Feibau Analyisk is a senior crime journalist
with The Herald and was in court today. Heyana Hiever,
So what happened?

Speaker 22 (42:42):
Well, he was sentenced to life in prison with seventeen
and a half years minimum non parole, and it took
us six hours to reach that judge's decision.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Today because he was acting up, was he Yeah.

Speaker 22 (42:55):
So from the get go there was ranting, raising, screaming, shout, shaking,
and he's just so so adamant that he's been framed
and he's innocent, and he just would not shut up.
The judge sort of tried in various terms to tell
him that there was be time for him to speak,
and you know, it wasn't then and there, but he

(43:16):
just wouldn't. So eventually he got removed and put in
another courtroom to watch proceedings through a video link on
mute so that we could get on with things in
the courtroom.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Somebody seem to me he had a nap in that courtroom.
Is that true?

Speaker 16 (43:29):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (43:29):
Look, for a long time he had his eyes shut.
Various times they were sitting on the floor with his
head in his hands. He did, I genuinely think he
looked like he might have been a slafe at points.
Other times he faced the wall so away from the
cameras and looked pretty disinterested. But it was better than
when he was in the courtroom with the judge and
just the constant screaming, shouting, refusing to sit down was

(43:53):
really disruptive and I guess very very upsetting for Jan
Fay's Stamiley hand friends who were there, I.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Can imagine, and also was there. Did it seem to
you that at one stage he was confused and thought
he was at some sort of an appeal hearing.

Speaker 22 (44:05):
Our one hundred percent He claimed that he didn't understand
the difference between sentencing and appeals, and he had had
this document he kept pulling out that I think he
wanted to read, and his adamant that has been framed,
that police planted evidence, that his own lawyers are covering
up evidence, and that this mysterious mister Tang is the

(44:26):
real offender and he's been mistaken for him and he
just he's very passionate is the word I'll use. He's
very passionate in his belief that he's the wrong man
and he thought today was his chance to have a
chat to the world about that and would not listen
to the judge when she said that wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Well, he has been Yeah, he's been a lot the
whole way through. Hey, and I appreciate it an aa least.
The Herald's senior crime journalist listens on the subject of
crime and court cases and so on. That coronial inquiry
has come through it. This is the one into the
death of the Gaul Toddler Lockey that you'll remember. This
is the boy who was found in the oxidation pond,

(45:04):
very small boy. I think it was about three or
thereabouts in early twenty eleven. The coroner has slammed the cops,
raised questions about how the cops came to the conclusion
that the little boy had drowned accidentally after wandering off.
He says there are investigative shortcomings and it's not possible
to determine how the little boy came to be in
the pond. Now he is not saying this is the
coroner not saying that anyone is complicit or that anyone

(45:27):
is responsible. He's basically just saying the cops did not
do a very good job of this investigation. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Informed Inside into Today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 10 (45:44):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Hey, one hundred drones in coming to Israel. Iran has
just launched them in the last few hours. The IDF
is working to shoot them down. They say should take
a few hours to reach Israel, so we'll keep an
eye on that for you. It's five twenty five. Now
a question for you, is there a reason for year
fourteen's to stay behind at school and play school boy rugby?
I ask because I can't see the reason myself. There's

(46:06):
been a bit of debate over this in the last
few days because it turns out that that Marlborough Boys
College rugby team that pulled that funny little stunt with
the penalty kick that then turned into a try a
few weeks ago actually has five year fourteen boys in
its first fifteen Now, I've got a lot of time
for Tim O'Connor, who is the principle of Auckland Grammar.
So the risk here is that I like whatever he

(46:28):
says just because he's saying it. But he does seem
to make a very good point here when he says
that this shouldn't be happening and suggests that if it
is happening, schools are not doing right by their students.
They're not doing right by the student that stays behind
for another year, because that student should actually be encouraged
to get on with their lives instead of hanging about
at school, and it's not doing right by the students
who miss out on their spots in the school rugby

(46:49):
team because the spots are taken by boys who shouldn't
be there. Now, Tim O'Connor says Auckland Grammar could actually
have asked Rico Ywanne to hang about for year fourteen
because he would have qualified and it would have been
great for the school. But they didn't, so Rico left
and instead Rico debuted for Auckland and the New Zealand
seven's team, and he made his test debut at nineteen,
which clearly is a better outcome for him than hanging

(47:09):
about at school for another year.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I don't know what's happened here because I thought that
Sport New Zealand was considering a ban. But in the
absence of that, perhaps we should consider what Tim says.
Tim says, schools need to remember why they exist. It's
to teach kids, not to put together awesome rugby teams.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Ever, du for ce Ellen, the.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Current Air India crash theory is that they retracted the
flaps by mistake instead of putting up the landing gear,
because a plane wouldn't have let them take off without
the flaps configured. Thank you for that. Look it's gonna
we're basically just scaffed to wait for this stuff to
be pulled. Apparently the data recorders are in the tail,
and the tail is the bit that's lodged in the building,
so she'ld be reasonably easy for them to get it out.
Do you remember this time last week I was telling

(47:52):
you that the Ministry for Disabled People was advertising the
sweetest job you've ever heard of in your life, two
hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars to be the head
of communications, which like is the easiest job in the world,
because nobody's ever mean to disable people congratulations to Shane.
Shane Coalishaw has got the job. It's an internal promotion
he got, he said. He was the one who came

(48:13):
to me when I talked about it on air last week.
He was the one who came to me and said, ah,
yet it's not necessary. They might not get the person
who gets the job, probably knowing full well by then
he'd got the job. I might not get two one
hundred and fifty eight. That's the top of the band.
They might get the bottom of the band. Will come on,
who's going to take the bottom of the band when
you know what the top of the band is. The
bottom of the band was about one hundred and seventy,

(48:34):
which even then is overpriced. But anyway, he's got it.
So if I hope to God that he's Look if
he's negotiating, negotiate for the top, Shane, if you haven't already,
because you know it's available, and if you're taking easy
money from the taxpayer. Tacks them more and drinks are
on Shane tonight a because Shane can afford them by
the looks of things. Let's talk next to the boss

(48:56):
the Blue Sea, how they're feeling about going up against
the Crusaders headliness next.

Speaker 11 (49:11):
For a new person all over again.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected news talk sa'd be.

Speaker 19 (49:28):
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Speaker 23 (49:31):
America Region?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
What time is the Energy ministraan? It is extra Chris
Pink who was the Building and Construction Minister. But it's
on the same subject on the solar on getting the
solar panels on your roof, which he's going to make
easier for you if you want them, and he's with
us after six o'clock. Helen, that's me, Helen. I just
saw something very funny in the Air New Zealand Lounge.
Chloe Swarbrick was walking out and Shane Jones was walking in.

(49:56):
There was no smiling from either of them. I'm guessing
they've both had completely different weeks. It's true. I think
you're right, Chris. Do you think that the do you
think being in the Air New Zealand Lounge is like
a little form of hell for Chloe because she knows
what she's about to do. Like, first of all, she's
there with rich people, right, She's just looking at them
with dollar signs above their heads, and she's like, you

(50:17):
are on a wealth tax you O, and a wealth
tax you OW, and a well tax you. And I'll
tell you what if one of those NBR rich listers
walks and she just flips a nut because she's like,
I really want to tax you. But then also so
she's surrounded by all of the things that she hates
bearing money. But then also she's about to jump on
a plane and start killing that climate eight. That must
be a form of personal hell sitting there just you know,

(50:38):
she could, of course just not do it. She could,
of course just not go there twenty and really live
by her principles. Twenty three away from six. Now we
are under two hours away from the kickoff of the
first Super Rugby Final of this season. Tonight. We've got
the Crusaders taking on the Blues at the Apollo Projects
Stadium in christ Church. Andrew Hall is the Blue CEO.

(50:58):
Hey Andrew, how are you? I'm well, thank you, how
are you well?

Speaker 24 (51:04):
Quite excited there and no nervousness, No, no, I think
generally when you come down here there is a lot
but I think we're gr there's been a genuine excitement.

Speaker 16 (51:19):
This time around, it is a different set of circumstances,
which is yeah, so we're really we're up for it.
And it's been a great feeling in the whole environment
all week, which has been brilliant.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, because if you guys have knocked off the chiefs,
then you'll make easy peckings of the crusaders, wouldn't you.

Speaker 16 (51:36):
I'm not going to give Colin Nora's crew any anything
to him, are we with? But you've got to respect
them and you've got to respect their record. I've been
texting them all week how lucky we are to be
walking on the same field as them. So yeah, I
just and I also asked them where there is superstitious
thing Friday the thirteenth, So yeah, it makes for a

(51:59):
great back for a great game. And there's a lot
of people travel down which has been brilliant.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So have you meet So you've sort of been sledging
and hassling him on the text?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Have I?

Speaker 9 (52:08):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (52:09):
Yes, we have a we have a little group that
was formed during COVID and we meet every Friday now.
But the the WhatsApp is the WhatsApps had a good
thrashing this week amongst the group, with a bit of banta,
which has been which has been fantastic.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
How do you meet every friday? You meet him person?

Speaker 16 (52:28):
No, we we we zoom in every friday, we have
since since COVID, and we work together on certain things
off the field. But nights like this we probably won't
talk during it, but we will will after it. We'll
share a beer and enjoy we and I think a
lot of that, a lot of that what that created was,

(52:48):
you know, the commission and those initiatives and the law
changes have come from this group actually getting together and saying, actually,
we're not too dissimilar, what can we do together? And
and yeah, it's it's been fantastic. And during COVID, because
we're all facing basically going under, it was almost counseling.

Speaker 9 (53:09):
It was.

Speaker 16 (53:09):
It was very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
We all use the zoom for counseling. I think, well,
what kind of law changes have you guys managed to
come up with?

Speaker 16 (53:18):
Well, I think we really advocated for speeding the game up,
getting particularly scrums, line outs, moving time, shot clocks, those
kind of things. So really trying to make it more
of a fan for aendy. Now we've still got work
to do, we know that, but we have to go
through layers for those changes because the international body is

(53:40):
so strong and it takes a lot to advocate and change.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
But you know, we've been.

Speaker 16 (53:45):
Working pretty probably now for four or five years together,
and even the formation of the Commission as our whole
drive around fandom and creating fandom and getting some excitement
back into the game, which has been brilliant, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Okay, So basically, if we have a problem, So what
I've now discovered is if I have a problem as
a fan with the game, I just need to text
you and you can take it to the Zoom conference.
Take the conference, Andrew, good luck tonight. I really hope
you guys, guys did very very well because I feel
like you deser who cares about the Crusaders. Andrew ware
Blue ceo.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
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Speaker 2 (54:31):
Back to three would all over it.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
The fantastic mister fucks, here's the King of Canada.

Speaker 13 (54:39):
It is what it is. This weekend we are at
home with you know, hopefully get a great crowd and
you do need your your quality to play their best
footy at this time of the year, and.

Speaker 9 (54:48):
You better watch your mouth, bro, because I'm going to
come over there soon.

Speaker 10 (54:51):
We'll see who's greed you are.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Think this is my studio.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I don't come in here and talk to me like that.
Just because you've got nice here this morning doesn't mean
I want to get off this.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yere now, just nice here, a nice faith. I don't
think love that.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
On the sports Tittle this evening, Nikki steyras sports journalist
and Paul Allison news talks he'd be rugby commentator. Hello
you too? Did you see that?

Speaker 11 (55:14):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Did you see Ryan v Sonny Bill?

Speaker 8 (55:17):
He had, Yeah, just another off field, a little promotional
beat up for this boxing contest, which is what been
three years in the making.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
So are you telling me you think that whole thing
was staged?

Speaker 8 (55:28):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
What gives it away the completely uncharacteristic anger from ryany
such chill guy. It's not like him to get that
angry that quickly.

Speaker 8 (55:40):
I'm sure it would have worked that out beforehand. It's
a little bit like the old pro wrestling that you
used to have, all these moves that worked out in advance. Yeah,
to me, I could read through that like a plate
glass window. It was so easy to see through.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I thought, thank you, Paul Nicky.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
I can't actually see it that way.

Speaker 16 (55:56):
I mean, I know Ryan quite well, and I taken
back by it.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And bad acting.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
Do you think so?

Speaker 15 (56:05):
You think so?

Speaker 7 (56:06):
And it's it's a really bad contest too, because Ryan
is not the fighting time anybody knows him, he's going
to stand up and go okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I'm just yeah, that's why.

Speaker 9 (56:17):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Because the producers were trying to convince me, it was realized.
I come on, that's not like Ryan doesn't react like that.
He's a very nice guy. I'm glad that we will
basically come to agree, and you know, hopefully the producers
will be convinced at some stage. Now, Paul, I can't
decide if I like the Lucky Loser or not. Where
do you sit on it?

Speaker 8 (56:35):
Yeah? I like it because of the fact that you
can't really have eight teams and an eleven team competition
making it through to the playoffs. If you go to four,
that's fine, but you've got one week less. You've probably
got less Australian teams potentially in the mix as well.
The one thing I would change though, hither is that
if you are the lucky loser as the Chiefs were

(56:57):
the last week, I would drop them to the bottom
of the four and they would be derived or they
would be deprived of having any home games from there through,
And so there's got to be some consequences.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I mean, here they are.

Speaker 8 (57:09):
They could literally host the final next week if the
Blues get up over the Crusaders and they beat the
Brumbies tomorrow, which I think is not really the sort
of penalty that you need to have if you've lost
the game.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
But I actually like the format.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
I think if they make that change and say the
bottom or the losing team in that quarterfinal or whatever
we call it last week, that top six goes to
the bottom of the four that then progresses through, I'm
pretty happy with it.

Speaker 10 (57:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
See, I don't know, Niki, and genuinely am in two
minds about it, because the problem with the seems to
me to be that there's no that upset by the
Blues is redundant because the Chiefs are still there, like
it should it should knock them out.

Speaker 7 (57:48):
No, because the chief season has been you know, one advanced.

Speaker 16 (57:52):
I think of the Blue season, I don't I don't.

Speaker 7 (57:54):
Mind that it's a little bit lead like and I
think you know that the thing that worries me as
I say that now, I feel like the Blues have
actually probably already played Decnemy final. I'm not sure that
they're going to have it mentally to get up over
the Crusaders like they did last week. You know, the
Crusaders are such a classy outfit in christ Church with
the men. The stats speak for themselves. They haven't been

(58:16):
beaten in.

Speaker 10 (58:16):
So many years.

Speaker 7 (58:18):
So it's certainly going to take something very special from
the Blues to actually achieve. I'm not saying they can't
do it. I love to see them do it from
the Blues stands through and through, but ultimately I think
it's going to be a Crusader's victory.

Speaker 8 (58:29):
Although last week they said that they didn't have a
chance against the Chiefs, I mean the Chiefs were running
red hot. They so they didn't have a chance.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
They won that.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
I mean, someone's going to come back a little bit
like Lazarreuth on this. I mean he's urn Cotter. He
was dead and buried at the halfway through the season
and the Blues were pretty much out of it. They
made it, and then last year at the end of
Super Rugby. Here's Rob Penny that was dead and buried
and really couldn't make the top eight. And here's a
couple of coaches now that are writing contention for, you know,

(58:56):
possibly a championship title.

Speaker 16 (58:59):
Do you know what I think? Though?

Speaker 7 (59:00):
I just think that the Crusader's Ford Pack is going
to stand tall and they're going to be stronger, and
ultimately the Ford Pack and rugby ones, especially Blessed Andrew
Hore the way that the setup is with the scrums
and the rolling waves and that type of thing, and
I think they will dominate.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
All Right, guys, I want to get your take think
about this over the break. Has Mark Robinson been a
good CEO of insid Out. We'll get your take when
we come back.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Quarter to two the Friday Sports title with New Zealand
Southeast International Realty, the ones with local and global reach.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Right, you're back with Nicki Styrs and Paul Allison. So, Nicky,
what do you reckon? Has rober been good at the job?

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Well, I'm going to say from a journalist point of view,
the years that I sat here at TB three and
got very frustrated with his tactics with the media, you know,
I have my reservations. However, on balance, I would actually
have to say, yes, he's been a pretty good CEO,
given that he's also got an answer to a board
and the provinces. You know, he did take the All

(59:58):
Blacks of World Cup Finals. I guess that's the ultimate goal.
I think he navigated that post COVID era pretty well.
And you know, they did start to initiate initiatives around
modernizing and adapting the game through the digital platform and
becoming a bit more fan centric I think, which you
know you need to do because it's an entertainment product.

(01:00:20):
I think where the challenges remain and they will probably
going forward, and I'm not sure you could blame this
on him is that they're you know, the persistent financial
losses and you know, the governance model has obviously come
under fire in recent times. So you know, like I think,
if you if you want to round it out, I'd
say yes. But yeah, there's definitely Rugby on the whole
has definitely got some good, big challenges going to it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I mean, I think everybody's sort of saying mixed bag,
aren't they pulled? But it can't have been that good
because otherwise he'd still be there and wouldn't have been,
you know, given the hint to go to Australia.

Speaker 8 (01:00:53):
Yeah, well he had six years as a board member beforehand,
so they knew exactly what they were getting when they
appointed Mark.

Speaker 21 (01:00:58):
To the role.

Speaker 8 (01:00:59):
But he's had a lot of choppy waters to navigate
his way through, with silver Lake and COVID and the
governance reviews and having a new board and in the
sponsorship and then the Ian Foster Scott Robertson saga that
went on as well. I go back to the quote
that Steve Cheu made after he stood down a CE
after twelve years in the role, and someone said, what
do you do as a chief executive? And he said,

(01:01:19):
you take the blame. And so when you look at
what Mar's had to sort of navigate his way through,
and you know the fact that you've got to take
the good with the bad, and he's had some difficult times.
The lost seventy five million dollars in the last three years,
but you know they've grown the game, so there's a
balance there. It's not a job that any of us

(01:01:39):
would really welcome. I don't think it's a pretty tough
job and you live in a fish bowl or a
goldfish bowl where you've everyone's got an opinion on how
well you've gone. But I think he's been a pretty
capable CEO overall.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Hey, why does the UAU want the run at competition? Nikki?

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
Why do they want it?

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
I have no idea why they want it. I have one,
very very simple view on that, and it's just bloody
stupidity and barbarism, and they should just you know, don't
get me started. It just makes me angry as a parent,
as a grandmother, as everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Grandmother, Nikki, Oh did I just saw that in the.

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
Midst Did you not know that either?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
How well does your granddaby?

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
I've got one that's almost three and one that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
This is look, I'm going to objectify you, Nikki.

Speaker 11 (01:02:27):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Have you seen Nicky's body? She has got How many
ads have you got?

Speaker 13 (01:02:32):
Nikki?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
This girl is ripped as all hell?

Speaker 16 (01:02:38):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
How is does? How long is does a grannie have
a banging body like that? Holy?

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
I'll take this cheper coming.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I'll objective objectify it. Will the cows come home if
you want? Anyway? I don't want to. I don't want
to make this okay for people to do.

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
And I'm not answer that in case of them myself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Your parcel, So you can tell me why people are
sophisticated as the people of Dubai want to watch some
buffheads run into each other.

Speaker 8 (01:03:05):
Look, I don't I just put Ryan Bridge and Sonny
Build together on that one. Look, it's not even a sports.
It's not a sport. It's crazy. No one really wants it.
America has given up on it. I think UK have
as well.

Speaker 17 (01:03:16):
It'll die.

Speaker 8 (01:03:16):
It will die a natural death. And I don't mean
that figature well figuratively really, because you know, with what
we've already seen with poor old Ryan Sathawaite losing his
life and it's a crazy activity. Calling it a sport
is over glorifying it. And I'll be pleased to see
the back of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It too, Right, guys, go well and Nikki keep training,
Nicki Styrus, Paul Allison. How many how many abbs have
you got? A six? It's six more than the average person,
isn't it? Eight away from six?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
It's the Heather duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeart Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Heather read the Air India accident, the rat which is
the ram air turbine appears to have been extended from
below the right now, the rat automatically extends in the
event of a dual engine failure to power the emergency generator,
so it would appear that the aircraft may have suffered
a dual engine failure. Yeah, lots of theories on it. Anyway,
we'll have to wait to find out. You know, I

(01:04:14):
was talking yesterday about how we're talking about the UN
having put out that report into why we've got falling
birth rates and stuff, and I said to you, it's
not got to do with financial poverty. It's got to
do with time poverty. People are too busy to have kids. Well,
apropos that Dua Lipa has just said basically exactly the
same thing. She's got engaged to. Callum Turner, who has

(01:04:35):
been in varis what was that TV show on TV
and Z Do you know the one where they they
were It's like Second World War and they are in
the desert Rogue Heroes. It's called He's one of the
chaps in Rogue Heroes if I remember correctly, he's also
an actor and boys in the boat. Anyway, never mind,
they've got engaged and so she was obviously asked the
next question, are you going to have a family, which

(01:04:57):
has been asked of women forever, and she responded and said, no,
I'm too busy to have kids. She says she doesn't
know how she can start a family and how that
would fit in with her job. And actually, at twenty nine,
has displayed remarkable maturity by saying, I love kids, but
I think there is so much more to raising a
child than just loving children. So there you go. That

(01:05:17):
was my point exactly now, Mark Lundy, you may be
aware of this. When Mark Lundy was paroled recently, one
of the conditions that he was given by the parole
board is that he's not allowed to speak to the
media at all. And at the time we just accepted it.
But actually some concerns have now been raised by private
investigator Tim McKinnell about this. He says this should be

(01:05:39):
reconsidered because this takes away basically a person's most important
tool to be able to advocate for their own innocence,
which is their own voice. He says, actually, this is
potentially a problem with freedom of speech, and the point
that he makes is that when you have a miscarriage
of justice and I'm not saying that I believe there's
been a miscarriage of justice here, But if there has

(01:06:01):
been a miscarriage of justice, you often need the person
at the center of it to be able to advocate
and say I didn't do it, and this is why
I didn't do it. Mark Lundy cannot do that now.
That seems unfair to him because he obviously maintains his innocence.
The parole Board says they've done this to protect him
from the media, because apparently media intrusion is something he

(01:06:23):
is not keen on. But given that he might be
under parole under these parole conditions for decades, I think
they may actually have to rethink this one, and then
maybe we may even hear from him. We'll talk solar panels. Next,
News Talks.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Is that Trump
a trade deal with China actually done like he says
it is. We'll check in with Peter Lewis on that.
We're going to wrap the political week that was and
also have a chat to Gavin Gray out of the
UK at seven past six. Now, our government is encouraging
us to get into solar powers by making it easier
to install the panels. Chris Pink is the Building in
Construction Minister High Chris, Hello, Heather, what's brought this on?

Speaker 25 (01:07:23):
Well, it's been talked about for a long period of
time and we've decided we're going to do something about
it by making it easier, faster and therefore cheap at
it install solar. I mean it kind of makes sense
in the modern age, but particularly with power prices rising,
so the math gets a bit easier. So we're just
giving a push in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
So but am I right in reading this in this
way that if you put the solar panels, if you're
building a house and you put the solar panels on
your roof, you'll actually your house will be prioritized for consent.

Speaker 25 (01:07:48):
Yeah, basically that's it for new builds. For existing homes
is also a scheme whereby we're saying you don't need
a building consent to do it. And to be fair,
some councils already have that as their policy, but others don't.
So we're getting a bit of certainty in consistency by
making that a clear rule in the Building Act, so
you won't need a consent to go ahead and do
something relatively straightforward. That's going to have a great benefit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
And did I see that you're also making it easier
to sell more back to the grid, Is that right?

Speaker 25 (01:08:12):
Yeah, so that's really led by Simon Watt's being the
Minister for Energy. But the point there is that by
changing the tolerance of the energy being a plus or
minus a factor of ten as opposed to six, you
can actually have a lot more power put back into
the grid, which of course is the rest good for
the rest of us, but also, you know, is a payoff,
a little payoff for those who have got solar and stall.

Speaker 11 (01:08:33):
So again it just makes it easier to stay here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I didn't understand that. Can you explain that to me?

Speaker 7 (01:08:38):
No, Like that.

Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
Explained to me.

Speaker 25 (01:08:42):
It made perfect sense. But I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna risk leading your listeners astral.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
No, because I read it and I was like, I
don't get this. I was there something wrong with me,
But no, it would appear that if something wrong with me,
it's wrong with you too. Neither of us understandable anyway
works that way, doesn't it? How much power do we
expect to actually get, Like, what are we banking on here?

Speaker 25 (01:09:04):
Well, it's hard to know, actually because I mean the
move is already being made somewhat in this direction, so
it's kind of hard to know exactly what the extra
uptake is going to be. But with power becoming more
expensive at the same time as the technology is becoming cheaper,
both in terms of solar panels and in the batteries,
And the batteries are really the holy grail because of
course by the time you're storing it, you're not worried

(01:09:24):
if it's a sunny day or not, which of course
is the classic problem with renewable energy. But you know,
a battery and a household that you can do will
even out those those ebbs and flows, both at an
individual household level and for the grids, And you know,
we need that resilience. We've had tough times terms of
energy security as well as the cost, so it'll be
greatly beneficial in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Chris, do you reckon that even without like without this
incentivizing which you're doing at the moment, do you think
that there is increased appetite for solar panels.

Speaker 25 (01:09:52):
I think there is any way to be fair. I
think people increasingly get it, So we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Just actually turning that I get it into I want
it and then doing it.

Speaker 25 (01:10:01):
Yeah, I mean industry would be able to tell you
what the figures are and it dotally. Certainly there is
increased appetite for it, but the cost barrier is huge.
So it's all very well for me to say, well,
these increased appetites and it will pay for itself and
a factor of ten or twelve or fifteen years or
whatever the case may be. But if people can't afford
it in the first place, then they're not going to
do it. So it's a good point. So it's really

(01:10:23):
about taking away some of that barrier in terms of
the initial upfront cost.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah, but interesting to see how this plays out. Chris,
thanks very much appreciated. Chris pink building a construction minister.
Do you remember us telling you a few weeks back
that there was real uncertainty about whether the Shortland Street
would be back next year. It's look, nothing's changed, and
the longer that nothing changes on this front, the more
it feels like Shorty Street is not back.

Speaker 9 (01:10:46):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
See there's always the outside chance that something will change
between now and the end of the year and it's back.
But you'd have to say the longer it goes without
them actually having made a decision, without funding being applied for,
the more it feels like, oh God, maybe it's not back.
The trouble that they've got right now is that they
have to write the end of the season now. And

(01:11:08):
you would know if you watch Shortland Street. The annual
cliffhanger is a bit of a thing, right, But how
do you write the annual cliffhanger if you don't know
if there's a season next year, and more importantly, if
you don't know which actors are coming back Because at
the moment, all the actors are off contract this year,
so they could go off and you know, I don't know,
move to Australia, move to the UK, go where there
are greener passes, do whatever. So how do you write

(01:11:29):
a cliffhanger if you don't know? With four example, Chris
Warner's back, and Chris Warner is one of them ho's
off contract. They have to write if you wonder why
they're running the end of the year now because it's
only midway through the year. That's because when they move
from the five days a week broadcast to three days
a week broadcast, they've basically been banking up like they're
still filming from what I understand, five days a week,
but they're only playing three days a week. So every

(01:11:50):
week that goes by, you collect two more episodes that
you've got in the can, right, so they've got a
full load basically already there for much of the year
to get them through much of the year. So they're
basically doing the very last bits right now. Here's the
thing that they should be worried about, and if you're
a fan of Shorter, you should be worried about. TV
and Z has been asked by us. TV and Z
has been asked now by The Herald and Shane Curry

(01:12:12):
at The Herald, who knows how to ask a question.
He's been around for a long time. He knows how
to ask a question. All of us have asked TV
and zed is it back next year? They are still
not saying if it's back next year. That's got to
make you suspicious, doesn't it. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk ZEBI, Hey, just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
An update on Israel for you. The US Embassy in
Israel has instructed all of its employees and family members
to shelter in place until further notice. That's because, of course,
those one hundred drones coming over, which should arrive in
the next few hours sent over by Iran. Also, they
were going to have the pride parade in Tel Aviv
later today and Caitlin Jenner was supposed to be the
guest of honor. That has now been canceled. As you

(01:12:57):
can imagine, it's quarter past six. Now let's wrap the
political week that was with Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Welcome back, Thomas, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
What's going to happen to Neil? Quickly?

Speaker 14 (01:13:07):
What is going to happen Neil quickly? I think he
is under a huge amount of pressure. This week has
been pretty dreadful for the Reserve Bank, and he has
basically been been called out saying things which do not
tally with what a reasonable person would think of as
the facts of the matter. So let's just recap. When
Adrian or quit, Neil quickly said his decision to resign

(01:13:30):
was a personal decision. The official papers that were released
this week showed very clearly that Adrian or quit because
he disagreed with the government over the amount of funding
that was going to give the Reserve Bank. In other words,
most people would say not a not a personal decision.
Nikola Willis has had a crack at the Bank for
its delay in releasing those papers, and he has come

(01:13:52):
under a whole lot of pressure for that delay and
also the fact that what he has said doesn't really
tally with reality.

Speaker 13 (01:13:58):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:13:58):
Of course, with everything relating to the banks, it has
this independence, it prides that independence above everything. So he
could possibly write it out, but certainly his future at
the moment is looking less safe than it was a
week here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Not flash out. But there's not a lot actually that
Nikola Willis can do because as we discussed yesterday, I
think I discussed it with you, he hasn't met the
threshold for her to really step in and sack him.
Does she even want to sack him?

Speaker 14 (01:14:27):
Well, and I think that's the thing that you know,
a finance minister can ultimately do do a lot of
stuff with the Reserve Bank. The question is whether they
actually want to. And obviously if you start interfering with
the Reserve Bank and the financial markets. And you said
this in the United States, the financial markets get a
bit just read. They're like, well, we really don't like
a finance something around here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
No, no, And that's fair. But also, Thomas, I mean
Neil Quickly as a friend of the National Party. Let's
not forget that, right He he and the NATS have
been working together on that Waikator University Medical School thing.
I get the feeling that he was their guy at
the Reserve Bank, kind of helping to to calm Adrian
all down. So I don't know that they necessarily want
to cut them loose.

Speaker 14 (01:15:05):
And yes, and to that point, you know, the history
of Quickley at the bank is that the current government
reappointed them to that position. So there's a very explicit
boat of confidence there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yeah, that's a very fair point. Now, are the farmers
loving the nets of the nets sucked up sufficiently?

Speaker 14 (01:15:21):
The farmers love the nets a field days. Obviously this
week it's the biggest. It's it's the week of the
year where everyone reminds reminds ourselves of the centrality of
other primary industries to the New Zealand economy. The taxpayers
Union Curier Pole. There was a Curier Pole of farmers.
I think it was a commissioned by Federated Farmers actually,

(01:15:42):
rather than the Taxpayers Union. But it showed that half
of farmers are backing the NETS, nineteen percent backing Act
and eight percent back in New Zealand First. Interesting Act
Act really leap frogging New Zealand First. New Zealand First
has typically done really well with farmers, but acted at
nineteen percent, that's pretty impressive. Labor, Labor not doing so
well on three percent, the Green two percent. So so

(01:16:04):
if farmers were the only people who could vote, then
you'd be having a very very national national government. Of course,
it's a bit like asking the unions who they would
vote for. I think you could get the same results
in reverse. But I think I think the NETS will
be pretty happy with that. Well, actually all the coalition
maybe New Zealand verst We're pretty happy with that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, But labor would be much more happy with that
Taxpayers Union poll that looked across the country. I still
I still think that. I mean, you could tell me
if I'm wrong, but I said m MP aside and
the fact that I act as cutting the lunch to
some extent of the National Party by hoovering up some
of their support base. I still think the NETS should
be worried that they're being eclipsed by labor because labour
sucks at the moment. They don't suck as a concept,

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they just they're not a great version of labor right now.

Speaker 14 (01:16:47):
No, I I this is I take I take your point.
It's not that this is not this is not you know,
the stardust, the stardust years, as you might have called
the last last period of labor. I think if you
would have if you were to ask yourself what has
been the toughest time for the National Party, specifically the
National Party since they got into government, I would say

(01:17:07):
that this budget has been the toughest period. That that
pay equity decision was a difficult decision for the National Party.
They were there in government when the original PA equity
settlement was done. They support a pe equity and government
they backed it all the way and now they have
you turned on that and significantly twelve point eight billion
dollars significantly. And then they came after kiwisavers in New Zealand,

(01:17:28):
the New Zealand loves KIV Saver so I reckon, if
you do all of that and you only lose a
point in the polls, and you gain all of that
money to spend elsewhere, then maybe in the National Party
is thinking, you know, thinking, you know, a few tens
of billions of dollars, more than ten billion dollars and
all we've lost is a point. Well, that's not a
bad trade. But yes, I mean, when you look across
the aisle and you're in your first term, you're in

(01:17:50):
the middle of your first term, and you're actually being
eclipsed by your main opposition party, that is not a
great position to be. And it's not just one poll.
There have been several poles this year where Labor has
eclipsed or the opposition parties ever cclipsed the coalition and
government when Labor was in government. You only saw that
happening really towards the very end, when the polls was

(01:18:11):
showing a change of government for just underdoing versus signon bridges.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, Thomas, listen, thanks as always, really appreciated. Thomas Coglan,
the Herald's political editor, wrapping the political week that was
six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Dogs v Peter Lewis is with us out of Asia
very shortly, just because, as I was saying to you yesterday,
the markets don't believe Trump when Trump says that the
whole thing is done and he just needs to approve it,
and Jesus needs to approve it. So we'll see what
Peter's got to say about it. On the Reserve Bank,
the Reserve the job, jeez, if you haven't applied for
the Reserve Bank governor, you I feel like you might.

(01:18:55):
I'm not entirely sure when it closes, but it closes today,
so you may still have a little bit. You can
still flick your CV through if you need to. But
it does close today. Jeez, I hope it's not prescient
that it's Black Friday. Anyway. The Reserve Bank has been
asked whether a lot of people have applied for the job.
They said, we are pleased with the level of interest
in the role, which I think means that I guess

(01:19:17):
you're supposed to read it like there are lots of applications.
But then but it could also mean only Christian applied,
because I mean, if all they want is Christian and
Christian applied, then they would be pleased with the level
of interest and role. What surprises me is that the
Reserve Bank is so determined to say nothing all of
the time. There really are on a lockdown.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
They feel like if they give us any information even
about how many applications there are or exceeded the expectation,
slightly under the expectation, not as many as we thought
from around the world, Like any information like that, what
I'm just gonna flip out with all that information, aren't we?

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
The cops. I don't know how you're gonna feel about
me telling you this, but you remember how we talked
about the cops and the quality of the candidates who
went into the police force. As a result of the
Herald doing the little investigation into that, they've done a
review of the quality of the police candidates and it's
come back with some things that I think we should
be reasonably concerned about. The First thing is that seventeen

(01:20:16):
candidates failed the police fitness assessment, or actually eight of
them failed. Nine of them passed individual bits of the test,
but they didn't do it on the right dates, which
I'm not terribly worried about. So let's just say eight
of them failed the fittest test. Now, I still don't
care about that. I don't care whether they're fat or
first or whatever, because if the big fatties you just
chuck them behind the computer, they can just do that instead. Right,

(01:20:37):
there's absolutely they may have amazing brains, and we don't
want to let that go. However, one hundred and twenty
eight of the recruits failed a basic English test and
they still became coppers. Now that I think should be
reasonably concerning to us, don't you think, Because I think
most of us understand that there are just slight variations

(01:20:58):
in the English language that mean a completely different thing,
and you need to have a full grasp on what
we're talking about. It's a very complicated language, right, And
if somebody's standing there with a notepadd and you go,
you come running up and you say, oh, this is
what the person looked like, and this is what they did,
and this is my experience. You're taking the notes down
for you know this, that stuff is gonna He's gonna
turn up with a little little document in court isn't he,

(01:21:19):
And he's gonna give his testimony based on what you said.
And if you can't speak English properly, and if he's
miss misquoted you, well, now we're in trouble because that
case is gonna fall apart because you're just gonna look
at it. Go well, obviously officer can't speak English. And
by the way, it's not a high level of English.
It's not like we're asking them to do sort of
like professorial English here. It's just level two in CEA English,

(01:21:39):
which means they have to speak English like a sixteen
or seventeen year old. And also bearing in mind it's
in CEA, which means you can discount that and basically
say English like a thirteen year old. So we're just
asking them to speak teenage English and they failed that.
Now I would be worried about that. I think that
is the one that they need to I suspect they're
gonna have to. I don't quite know what they're gonna
do about it, but then they have to go and

(01:22:00):
look at it, because don't care if the officer is fat,
don't care if the officer can't type, don't care if
the officer is a tiny little woman who can't do much.
But if the officer can't speak English, we're in some
sort of trouble, aren't we. Anyway? Headlines next, and I'm
going to tell you later on about all the jobs
that no longer exist in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
News talks be talking came to all this lan talking,
crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither to
the c Ellen with the business hour and mass insurance
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that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
You don't have to follow in your gun.

Speaker 19 (01:22:44):
Oh god, shudder.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
If you've got to borrow.

Speaker 17 (01:22:48):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
We're going to talk to the UK in about ten
minutes time. Gavin Gray with us Brimworth has just out
of itself as the carpet maker. It's going to be
making the wool carpet for cayeing order. Quite quite interesting
that the are the ones doing it, because they are
the ones who also remember they went on that big
only wool thing for a while there and then not
really not long ago, they decided, wow, this is not

(01:23:14):
working for us. Basically, wool is not where it's at.
People want the synthetics, so they brought the synthetic cup
it in, but they are also the ones who are
now going to be making the wolf coying at order.
So anyway, have you have you as Laura, Yeah, Laura's
hate Brimworth, Laura's and as send an email in a minute.
We might would love to chat to you on Monday
if possible, about this fascinating twenty four away from seven.

Speaker 8 (01:23:35):
Together do for c L.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Peter Lewis Asia Business corresponds with us, Hey Peter, Hello Heatherah.
Is the deal done like Trump says it is?

Speaker 12 (01:23:44):
I don't think so. I think they're sort of dancing
around each other a little bit. These are two sides
that are talking to each other in spite of each other,
rather than trying to find the areas of common ground
where they can work together, where they can find some
areas of mutual benefit and both sides benefit and reap

(01:24:06):
the rewards of that. It's not really feeling or sounding
like that at all, and also, rather worryingly, the Chinese
side has actually been very very quiet since they left London.
Trump has said this is a done deal, and what
is concerned about is these rarers, these earths. These are
the metals that are used in things like semiconductors, defense

(01:24:29):
equipment absolutely essential for a whole range of electronic products.
China really controls the global market in these and has
put restrictions on them, and it's turned out that is
quite a potent weapon for China to fight back against
Donald Trump's tariffs. In return, he's put all sorts of
restrictions on exports of semiconductors to the United States, on

(01:24:53):
software that's used to design memory chips, on aircraft engine parts,
and so on. He talks about the rare earths being
allowed into the US, but he says nothing about the
other stuff that's on on their exports restriction list to China.
And I can't imagine that President she would make a

(01:25:15):
deal whereby he agrees to send rare earths back to
the US but doesn't get in return restrictions lifted on
some of the things that he's concerned about. So we
really need to see some more details on this trade deal,
this so called trade deal, which we don't have at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
If he's bluffing, why is he bluffing, because surely he's
going to get found out.

Speaker 12 (01:25:36):
Well you would think so. But you know, this is
a very very strange negotiation both sides seem to think
they've got the upper hand on each other. They actually
both do have some areas where they can do damage
to each other. But until we get the details about
what was actually said in this meeting in London, you

(01:25:58):
sort of almost you could reinterpret what has happened, not
in the Trump way, which is this was a great
meeting and you know we've agreed to lift restrictions. This
is rather we spent two days talking to each other
and we couldn't agree at all. I mean, if you
could agree, why do you need to go back to
your respective presidents to get their approval? That rather suggests

(01:26:20):
that things aren't greed at all, and this isn't the
trade deal that is being made out to be.

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Interesting, Now, why does Europe reckon that the Chinese are
dodging these taxes on plywood products? What's going on here?

Speaker 12 (01:26:35):
Well, that China's very good at evading tariffs and restrictions,
whether it be through sending products through third party countries,
which it does with automobiles for example, sending them through
Mexico and elsewhere. Another way in which it evades restrictions
is by sort of disguising the product or changing it
in a slight way so that it gets reclassified and

(01:26:58):
then doesn't attract whatever the restrictions or the tariffs are.
And they're doing that with plywood. They're sort of putting
a veneer on it and then reclassifying it as not
being plywood. Well, plywood is a bit of a sensitive
issue in the EU. China once again dominates the market there.
It has about a third of the markets and local

(01:27:20):
companies aren't really getting a look in, so there are
restrictions on exports of plywood. But they're really saying it's
not actually plywood anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Fascinating, ah, I mean, can you imagine having to put
the veneer on it and then presumably do you take
the veneer off at the other side?

Speaker 12 (01:27:37):
Well, that you wonder, don't you how you do this?
I mean, you know, I suppose yes they do, because
you know, it's not plywood. Is it a veneer?

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But then presumably so the cost of taking the putting
the veneer on and taking the veneer off has to
be less than the tariff.

Speaker 12 (01:27:53):
Well, the tariffs are quite high. I'm not sure the
exact rat at the moment, but I think they're around
thirty percent something like that, so you know, they're presumably
that you know, it's still profitable for them to do this.
But Chinese companies anyway often think not so much in
terms of profitability but market share. How bigger market share

(01:28:13):
can we have? And we see this with autos, for example,
even in their own country, there's cut price competition which
is sort of destroying their own markets, and they all
keep going at each other just to gain market share,
even though it's hugely unprofitable.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Jeez, I thank you very much, really appreciated, Peter. That's
Peter Lewis out Asia Business correspondent ninety n do for
see Allen. Okay. So, Infametrics has looked at the type
of jobs that we used to have heaps of in
the country that we're no longer doing. And these are
basically jobs that and I'm talking about, you know, fifty
sixty years ago. I'm just talking about in the last
twenty five years, just since the turn of the century.

(01:28:49):
The one of the jobs that we've seen the biggest
decline and is service station attendance. There used to be heaps,
like thousands of them. In the last twenty five years,
seventy seven percent of them have disappeared. Five hundred and
fifty seven people have lost their job as service station attendants,
telephone betting clerks down eighty six percent. Now this is

(01:29:14):
a much smaller group of people. It only represents the
loss of about one hundred and fourteen people, but eighty
six percent of them are gone. Footwear production, machine operation
operators down eighty two percent, postal sorting offices down seventy
six percent, and mail clerks down seventy one percent. I
find that surprising because I didn't know that we automated
this yet. I still thought that there were little dudes

(01:29:36):
standing in the back of the post office going to
This one's going to nine I, This one's going to
Lower Hut, This one's going to the city, this one's
going to CARRAI. Like, I thought that they were still
putting in little holes. But apparently I'm assuming that that
is now done by machines. In absolute terms, some of
the biggest job losses are amongst people who call themselves secretaries,
general clerks, or sewing machinists. So the category that includes

(01:29:57):
your personal assistant, your general sect, your legal secretary of
General Clark, your data entry operator, your machine shorthand operator,
word processing operator. Total employment numbers have fallen by quite
a lot, from ninety eight thousand, seven hundred sur rounded up,
say ninety nine thousand, down to only forty two thousand.
But heaps of these people have just become something just

(01:30:18):
moved slightly sideways, and they've become contract administrators, program or
project administrators, office managers, health practice managers, practice managers. Generally,
that's gone from about twenty six thousand to about seventy
five thousand. In the same period, it's basically same same
numbers fifty thousand or thereabouts sewing machinists, footwear production machine operator,
hide in skin processing machine operator, in kitting machine operator,

(01:30:40):
textile dying and finishing machine operator, weaving machine operator, yarn
carding and spinning machine operator, textile and footwear production machine operators.
The employment there has fallen from fifteen thousand to only
about five thousand, six hundred, and as you would imagine,
in the manufacturing areas like the paper and pulp mill worker,
the saw mill timber yard worker, the wood and wood
products factory worker, employment has fallen from six four hundred

(01:31:03):
down to two thy nine hundred, and that's basically because
we send all of our logs to China unprocessed, and
then they do it over there. Of all of these jobs,
the one I missed the most is the petrol person,
don't you. Don't you though, do we? Because you turn
up and you go oh, and then do you know?
And do you know? Is this not the most frustrating

(01:31:24):
thing when you get there and you realize that some
little shite has turned up there and run off with
one hundred and forty nine dollars worth of petrol too
many times, so the cops haven't even bought. So these
guys are now they've got they've got your number, haven't they.
So you turn up and you go, oh cool, okay,
well you know I'm gonna di wiatt. So you go
get the bowser out and you stick it in a
little hole and then you go, oh, I've got a prepay,

(01:31:45):
So then you put it and you sort of wave
at them like I think, because I drive a European
car and I'm clearly a mum, I sort of wave
at them, you know, and I think they'll they'll judgment.
They'll go she's got money, she's got a European car
and a baby, and she's not gonna run away with them,
and I wave at them and they look at me
like that, not even your mate. Ah, put it back
in the thing, walk in, you go, mm, can I

(01:32:06):
fill it up? Please? Because then and then you've got
to and I don't even know what that and think
you do? You leave your credit card. I don't even know.
All of the cars are empty at the moment. So anyway,
then you have to go back out. Then you have
to fill it up, and then you have to go
back and so now you're doing two trips in when
all you wanted to do was one, and you've wasted
time putting the bowser in and out multiple times, waiting
and waving at them and stuff. What you've just got

(01:32:26):
to do is simply just understand the situation when you
get there. Because the dude is not there anymore. He
does not work there. It cannot help. He's not going
to clean your window for you anymore. You just got
to arrive, walk straight in with purpose, give them the card,
walk out, fill it up, go back, and just cut
cut the journey short, right. That's how you have to
do it. And that is why I missed my little
man with the petrol thing.

Speaker 11 (01:32:46):
Quarter two.

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
Maybe you need an nev hither.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
You tell Kevin Gray out of the UK with us down.
Hey Kevin, Hi, have they not found the black box yet?

Speaker 9 (01:33:08):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:33:08):
No.

Speaker 23 (01:33:09):
The wreckage from that Air India plane that crashed at
Amedabad is really very very widespread, and so consequently I
think this is going to be quite a long hunt
actually for the black box. There is a UK team
that's on its way to India in order to help
with the investigation, along with US counterparts as well. But

(01:33:31):
it does look as though there are going to be
dead on the ground as well, in other words, people
that weren't in the aircraft, who were on the ground,
who might have been caught up by the wreckage.

Speaker 11 (01:33:42):
It's really scorched a huge area across and we.

Speaker 23 (01:33:46):
Know that all but one of the people on the plane,
So two hundred and forty one people have died. Amazingly
still one Briton survived in seat eleven.

Speaker 11 (01:33:55):
A and nobody knows how he managed.

Speaker 23 (01:33:58):
I mean not just did he survive, he walked away
from it, and when you see the debris you wonder
how that was possible.

Speaker 11 (01:34:03):
But the hunt of the black box so important.

Speaker 23 (01:34:06):
With three different theories coming forward from little bits of
video that you can see before the plane crashes.

Speaker 11 (01:34:12):
But anything at the moment is sheer speculation.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Yeah, it really is. I'm telling about these guys. These
two fringe antiques experts have been convicted.

Speaker 23 (01:34:20):
Yeah, very interesting story, this which really did rock the
antiques world actually in France. So the pair have been
given four months in prison and longer suspended sentences for
selling fake eighteenth century chairs to collectors including the Palace
of Versai and a member of the Katari royal family.

(01:34:41):
In other words, these chairs went for a lot of money.
Now the pair were also fined extensively, so they're going
to be fined roughly sort of five hundred thousand New
Zealand dollars as well, which one of them described as
a little hefty, a little harsh finance. But there are
plenty in the antiques world who are furious with this pair.

(01:35:03):
Basically they were quite high up in the antiques world
in France. They found out items that had gone missing
and that were in documents from the time of Mary
Antoinette and other leaders in France and then basically made
the chairs to order, making them look old. So one

(01:35:24):
of them was the sort of hands of the operation.
The other was the head of the operation, as it
was described in court, and it thought the Katari royal family.
Prince Muhammed bin Hamad Altani bought two chairs said to
belong to Marry Antoinette, they didn't, and he bought them
for nearly four million New Zealand dollars. There's a lot

(01:35:45):
of money in this and that's why it rocked the
French world of antiques so much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah, jeez, And it takes quite a lot of skill
to be able to do that. Hey, thank you very much. Yeah,
I appreciate it. Kevin Gray, UK, corresponding, did you realize
the guy who's running here India by the way, is
a Kiwi. His name is Campbell. Wilson's from christ Church,
grew up in Sumner, went to Shirley Boys High. I
went to the University of Canterbury. I did a Master
of Commerce and then graduated in nine to ninety five

(01:36:12):
and then he worked for Singapore Airlines for twenty six years.
Singapore Airlines Singapore Alanes has a reasonable stake I think
in Air India and then worked his way through various
senior roles. He founded Scoot, which is a low cost
subsidiary airline, and he has been with Air India based
in New Delhi for around about the last three years.
Eight Away from.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Heather, you could move to the South Island because we're
much more honest and we're allowed to pump gas before paying,
are you?

Speaker 9 (01:36:45):
Do?

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
The longer that the older I get, the more the
more I realize that there are two completely different New
Zealands and the South Island and the North Island, and
nothing like each other. I mean we've got the same accent. Well,
I mean there's Gore, so we don't even have the
same accent some of the time, do we? And then
it's completely different demographics and just completely different vibe. It

(01:37:06):
is a different vibe in the South Island and increasingly
increasingly there are many reasons why you may want to
move to the South Island, aren't there Hither I thought
you were driving a byd youte. Steve thank you for asking. Look,
let me tell you about the kafavel of my life
at the moment. I've got three cars on the go,
all at one at the same time right now. It's
incredibly frustrating. I have to rotate which car I'm taking,

(01:37:28):
and I have to keep a very close eye on
the battery life of each to try to keep them
all going at the same time. As if I don't
have enough going on being a mother of two very
small children, working a full time job and responsible for
literally everything in the house, managing the pool, managing this bar,
managing everything, I have to keep these three cars going.
Because what happened is we've got our car. Then we've

(01:37:49):
got the BYD that we're driving, which I'm not ungrateful for.
That is a fantastic car to drive. But then I've
also unfortunately had to bring the Jeep. It's a twenty
year old Jeep which lives at the beach, and the
mechanic at the beach said, if you keep leaving it
here every winter on the trickle feed thing for the battery,
you are going to kill it because you're not driving enough.
So now I have to bring it here for the winter.
For the winter to Auckland. Then they have to drive

(01:38:11):
every single one of them. And the jeep's battery got
a bit funny the other day, so now I'm having
to drive it. And also it's the soft tops, and
now the rain's got in, so now I'm having to
try and dry it through. And it's like forecast of
rain for the next two weeks, so I'm having to
try and drive that and dry it. It's under here,
under ends in meat wine, the windows down, hope it
will dry out. It's honestly, my life sucks, it really does.

(01:38:33):
And then the other one, the land drover, doesn't matter
how much you drive it, that battery doesn't want to
get back to normal. So every time I turn it off,
the just complete dark inside the car. It's very hard.
It's very, very difficult. Thank god for the BYD Shark
because at least that thing is running okay and well.

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
And at least you'll be able to cool off in
the pull in the spa once those are sorted.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
As sign I know, because I'm so stressed out, I
have to go into a complete cold plunge and then
relax my muscles.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
That's terrible, why you need them. End of an error
by Dual Leap at a players out tonight. As you
mentioned earlier in the show, to a Lipa and Kellum
Turner appear to be engaged. Apparently the ring was custom made.
Callum had a word to her sister and her best
friends to find out what kind of rings she wanted
and had it done up. They've been dating since January
twenty twenty four, so you're getting engaged about what a

(01:39:16):
year and a half into the relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
There you go, Hey, that's not bad. That's not bad.

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
Yeah in Hollywood's that's positively century, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Yeah. She seems like a really nice girl.

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
A she really I think you're right before that thing
she said about the cause it's very intelligent. It seems
like very intelligent.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
She's not the kind you know, she's just not one
of those ones who's gonna, you know, drink too much
and party too much and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
She seems don't make us a liar, do alepa, don't
make us a Liar's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Keep us proud of you, girl, Okay, listen, enjoy your weekend,
Go go the blues tonight just because geographically whatever, and
we'll see you on Monday. News Talks AB.

Speaker 7 (01:40:04):
In the car she goes part of class.

Speaker 8 (01:40:10):
Nothing leaves the clubs the briscombes of pretty eyes and nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Nothing leaves the club.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
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