Full Show Podcast: 13 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplicylan Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
it turns out that that alleged pawn on the police
boss's computer is being investigated now as objectionable material. That's
a bit more serious. I'm going to talk to our
reporter Jared Savage. Ryan Reynolds football team is coming to
play the Phoenix, and we'll also talk to the man
that Wayne Brown threw under the bus yesterday. Ken Turner.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
He's with us, Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Why.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Has it taken us so long to get serious about
forcing people to pay back their student loans? Eh, last month,
IID had someone arrested at the border. They have now
paid back their loan. Isn't that amazing? They had been
chased and chased and chased and chased, and you know
that they had because IID only arrests you at the
border as an absolute last resort. But suddenly they are

(01:01):
arrested at the border and despite presumably years of not
paying back their loan, they pay it back. Isn't it
incredible what a little bit of pressure can do. We've
got more on this, by the way, IRD has got
in contact with more than twelve thousand people who are
living overseas who owe money on their student loans. Nine
hundred and sixty of them have paid back everything that

(01:21):
was overdue, thirteen hundred of them have started repayment plans.
Eighty nine people have been warned they will also be
arrested at the border if they don't start paying up.
Eleven of them, as a result of that warning, have
started dealing with their debt, either by paying it back
or by applying for hardship provisions. Now why I'm telling
you this is because it's nearly a year since the

(01:42):
government threw extra money at IID to chase down these bloodges,
and ID has put out a press release with the
latest figures to show that actually, yeah, putting that extra
money in for the enforcement is bearing fruit. The only
question we now have is why didn't we do this earlier?
I mean, it is not like this is a new problem.
Is that we have complain about this for years? Haven't we?
About these people free loading on the ever generalist, ever generous,

(02:05):
new Zealand taxpayer, and then getting a free education over here,
going off overseas to live their best lives, paying taxes
somewhere else, not to us, not helping us out, helping
out some other country, and then leaving us holding the
baby in their debt. Now, I suspect our lack of
action in the past. It probably can answer the question
on this. I suspect our lack of action in the
past comes down to a general attitude towards taxpayers, which

(02:27):
is a lack of respect for our money. It's been
treated like it's never ending, isn't it? For too long,
treated like it's never ending, simply handed out to all
and sundry without actually really requiring them to pay it back.
We say you've got to pay it back, but we
don't actually mean it. And you know, this is not
something that has been It's not a historic problem, it's
a current problem. A recent case in point is the
small business COVID loans that were handed out by Grant

(02:49):
Robertson in twenty twenty unsecured right, not very smart, unsecured.
They are now due to be repaid about I think
it's more than eight hundred million, is outstanding a lot
of that will never be repaid. We have to get
used to that idea. We just handed it out. We're
not going to get it back. It is probably too
much to wish for, But wouldn't it be great if
we could carry on getting money back like IIDR with

(03:09):
student loans at the.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Moment, Kell du forer c Allen nine two nine.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Two is the text number. Standard text fees apply. Now
remember how I told you yesterday about those little green
bins in Auckland and how expensive they are. Well, it
came up this morning when Simeon Brown was talking to
Mike Mike hoskang.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Long and the Red District Council. Then you know they're
getting rid of the green bin which is saving rackpads
two or three percent on their own rates. Auckland Council
could do the same, Wayne Brown could do the same.
You could remove the requirement for that green bin and
save Auckland as two percent on their rates.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Now, what I told you yesterday is that it's been
estimated that for every ton of carbon that these little
green bins save in Auckland, it's costing Auckland is one thousand,
four hundred and forty dollars now you could just buy
a ton of carbon from the carbon auction for fifty dollars.
Justine has is the general manager of Waste Solutions at
Auckland Council.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Hey, Justin, Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, thanks for joining us. Is that true? Is it
costing more than fourteen hundred dollars per ton per carbon
ton saved?

Speaker 6 (04:07):
That is the current cost from a carbon perspective. But
really really important to note that there's significant other benefits
in terms of waste minimization for the services.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
What are the other benefits?

Speaker 6 (04:20):
So reducing waste to landfill is absolutely critical in terms
of our waste minimization obligation.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Why does that ma suggusting because of this is all
but this is all stuff that will just break down
in the landfill.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
Food.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Well, there's a significant cost to landfills, environmental, economic, the
cost of community. So we regularly hear from communities that
they don't want more landfills. So in order to achieve that,
we need to achieve waste minimization.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay, what are the other benefits?

Speaker 6 (04:48):
So the other benefits are repurposing organic waste, so we
can use the waste material from food scraps to create
things like energy fertilizers, so it's beneficial in terms of
a circular economy rather than just having to deal with
the byproduct.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Okay, now, okay, so per carbon ton saved, you're paying
fourteen hundred bucks, but you could literally just buy a
unit of the carbon auction for fifty dollars.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yeah, So that's why it's must leading to just focus
on the carbon impact. As I say, there's multiple other
benefits for the service.

Speaker 7 (05:26):
It's also really.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Important to note that we are looking to grow participation
in the service, so that current cost per ton is
based on our current participation, but we are very interested
in supporting Aucklanders to participate in the services, so per
ton can reduce.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Okay, I see, So the more of us doing it,
the more it will reduce if the numbers. But here's
the problem with it, right, You're not going to be
able to bring the price down very much because if
twice as many of us do it as are doing
it now, we will only half that cost. It will
still cost usundred and twenty dollars per carbon ton, won't it.

Speaker 6 (06:03):
That's true. But again there's multiple benefits to the service
and it's part of our integrated service and Justine.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Heck, if every single Aucklander did it, it's still going
to cost us about five hundred bucks per carbon ton,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
So yes, there's still a cost to the service.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
This doesn't look like a good idea, like for a
value for money, which I feel like that's important to
rate payers right now, value for money. This is a
crap deal, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
So there's a reason why it's a region wide service.
And again we are trying to support Aucklanders to participate
so that we can achieve the overall benefits of the service. Okay,
so carbon reduction is one of those benefits.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
How much is this costing me? Me, like as in
one household, how much does it cost?

Speaker 6 (06:49):
The cost is just over seventy dollars and as part
of your targeted rates, so it's approximately two dollars a week.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Okay. Now the government, I know the Labor government made
this mandatory, but this government has said it's not mandatory anymore.
Why don't you opt out of it to save money
for us?

Speaker 6 (07:08):
So the decision to proceed with a food script service
was made over a long period of time. It was
first adopted in our twenty twelve waste management minimization plan.
So there's been a lot of public consultation on this
topic to get to the decision to introduce the service.
The service would require a decision to exit the service

(07:31):
from our governing body, and as part of that advice,
we would need to help them understand what the cost
of removing the service would be.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, I mean when you say cost, you're obviously not
talking about money, are you.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
I know, the implications of withdrawing the service, Justine, of
which there would be multiple Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Justine, thank you. I really appreciate your time. Justine Haes,
the general manager of waste Solutions at Auckland count Quarter
past four.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's the Heather do for See allan Drive full show
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Speaker 3 (08:10):
Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with me right now.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Hello, Darcy, I'm really impressed by your choice of CAx.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
By the way, would you like to would you like
to explain?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're wearing Nikemax nineties and they're a piece of work.
They're beautiful white gray with a gum sole. Im I
can actually de shoot you based on the strength of
that can What size are you on?

Speaker 8 (08:32):
Well?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
In the day, are thirty nine. No, what's the American sizing?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Oh, let me have a look eight point five.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, I can't take them back in the old days.
But when you're young punkers and you had Doc Martin's,
they de boot you, would they? So they'd hold you
down and they get a razor blade and they cut
your laces and whip your boots off.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Wow, I mixed.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
In interesting circles.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's intense. Hey, can we talk about this because I
have had to go for when I bought my my
Emax nineties of my Posh present to myself. They ain't
nobody else buy me a posh present myself a prison,
and so I wanted some, so I bought them. But
they are gray, aren't they? They're gray and white.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well it's a kind of gray and white with a
little purple toe cap on the on the front.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
How boring is that for color? Can I explain this
to you? Because what happened was I went online and
I typed and I said the Color Rangers you can
get amazing, And I almost I thought, oh, these are
my dream ones went to buy it. Oh no, that
was foot locker in America, not available in New Zealand.
So then I was like, oh well, that's disappointing. I

(09:33):
really like that one. So then I went to buy
another one, and I found another one I really liked.
Oh no again America. And what I came to realize
is that the world has these amazing choices available to them,
but we don't.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Try going to the States and going to the outlet
stores and you'll find all sorts of Yeah, well this
is the problem. I did the same thing, and there's
so many sits out there, but I've sworn off sneakers.
Now I've got far too many pairs of Nike sneakers.
I'm going to have a couple and a lie down.
It's like crack to me, So no more.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
What does it say about how pover we are as
a country? If if all they let us have as
gray ones, little purple dots on.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
There are some other good ones out there if you look.
The better ones are all online. This is sport right,
because like their they're sandshoes, they're plum soules, plays sport
in them.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
You don't do that, you'll bung up your knees.

Speaker 9 (10:24):
Even more.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
So, we've got a couple of key warriors back from injury.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It looks like it like two of us as ship
was back last week, but he was coming off there
and to change, so he didn't actually play, but he
was named there. And James Fisher Harris the brute from Penrith,
is on his way back to whether he starts, we
don't know. Whether they're both interchange both, we don't know.
But that's what Andrew Webster was was hinting at today

(10:50):
at the media session out at the war So it
looks like they're gonna well there, try and go five
on the bounce. And that game over the weekend, I
don't know if you watched it, but got away to
a tear away and scored like one and the second half.
But they did enough to win, which is what they
didn't do last year. Their defensive line is quite extraordinary.

(11:12):
Give me down there in a bags, you know we
can't get that team's going to rip your part. You
make one little error, but that was that was extraordinary.
An old metcalf, what to buy that guy's turned out
to be and and Aaron Clark again, there's some I
could name the entire team. They all look so good.
Great to have dalling back again as well. What the
needs are listening out but they're high flying right now,

(11:34):
so long may it last. But the introduction possibility the
two of their superstars there are double barreled superstars. They
can join Martin's elisnak And can.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
You explain something to me? Why do they have so
many double barreled names and warrior in rugby league?

Speaker 10 (11:49):
Maybe non married parents, maybe parents that split up so
they took a name each. Maybe I don't know when
you look at it, because I thought about when when
I got married that my now still my wife even
though the divorced.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
But we bring our child up together.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
She's not your wife mate.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Well we co parent.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Put it there my ex wife and she took my
name and I was like, why why don't you just
stay with your own name. We'll we'll combine, and she goes, no,
I want the same name as my daughter. But it's
quite an antiquated concept, doesn't it. You get married and
you take the name of your husband, and she was like, no, no,
I'm good with that, and she's kept it even though
we're divorced.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
It's like, I like the name.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'm staying with. Water Graves like, really, I love.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I would actually love somebody to do a deep dive
into the culture, the rugby league culture, to understand why
the double barrels surnames? Why the interesting first names? Lots
of interesting first names. Charms, Yeah, yeah, Paris here, and
I'd like to know a lot more about it. Okay,
we'll leave it at that, thank you, Darcy. Yeah, you

(12:49):
look back at seven o'clock sports.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's hither duplassy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
They'd be it's a bogan thing here the end of story. Well, see,
I figured it was because the names like Charles is
probably a bogan thing, isn't it? But why is a
double I don't. I don't understand why double barrel's surname
is a bogan thing? Because I mean because back in
because historically a double barreled surname was the thing that
the upper class in England, did you know what I mean?
It was like, you're a bit fans there for how

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to double barrel surname? You're just too cool to just
have one?

Speaker 11 (13:29):
Even Watson Wentworth that's right.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
You know, you know you had, you had so many
great options to choose from. Why would you just choose one.
But then, what's happened? Why did the Bogans? Let can
someone explain that to me? How did that become a
Bogan thing that they were doing? Anyway, Yep, you can
let me know. Nine two nine two. I'm endlessly fascinated
by It's literally I spend a lot of time every
time I watched the Warriors just sit there thinking about names.

(13:52):
Jevin mc skimming. Now, this is the case of the
former one of the former top cops who was basically
like second or third in command at the police, who
has resigned because, you know, they felt allegedly found pawn
on his computer. The revelation today is that it wasn't
just a garden of the variety pawn, if you know
what I mean, It was objectionable material, at least allegedly

(14:16):
objectionable material. At least they are investigating the possibility that
it was objectionable material. Anyway, Jarrett Savage is going to
be with us after five o'clock, just give us a
rundown of what he knows about that. Interestingly, Interestingly, on
that though, it turns out the Jevin mcskimmings lawyer as
Linda Clark. And if you're like, why do I know

(14:37):
that name. That would be because back in the woo,
back in the day, Linda Clark was the political editor
for TV and Z. I'm thinking like late nineties, maybe
round about then late nineties. She was before Mark Sainsbury,
who was before Guy inn Espinner, who was before Coron Danna,
was before Jessica much who was before Mikey Sherman. I
think I just did the whole history of it. Actually

(14:57):
just said all the way back to Linda Clark. Anyway,
I think it was in the late nineties. She then
became a lawyer, but she's not a criminal lawyer, and
he's facing potential criminal charge is under criminal investigation. She's
a specialist in judicial review, public law, disputes and processes, investigations,
and defamation. Anyway, young producer Sam called her today and

(15:19):
got her on the phone and she was probably He
was on the phone for about thirty seconds, he says,
and then she hung up on him. That's quite fun,
and I'd love to hang up on somebody in a
position like that. Anyway. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected news dogs that'd be with.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
That sedulity.

Speaker 12 (15:48):
Just met.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Has done a speech today, a pre budget speech where
she's indicated a few things to keep an eye out for.
I'm going to get you across that before we cover
off after five o'clock. Also, and this is a little
weird little thing that is going on the side. I
think this is the second year that this has happened now,
but it turns out that Nikola Willis has banned a
bunch of organizations from the lock up now by memory,
and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but

(16:14):
by memory, this happened last year and then Treasury were
blamed and then we found out actually no, it wasn't
Treasury at all. It was a director from the Finance
Minister's office. Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong. This year
it's the Taxpayers Union, the Council of Trade Unions, the
New Zealand Initiative and Business New Zealand. Now I'm very
disappointed to see this personally, because look, you might go, well,

(16:34):
the Council of Trade Unions don't like them. Maybe you
go all Taxpayers Union don't like whatever. It's really disappointing
either way, even if you don't agree with all of
these people, because they provide scrutiny. The more eyeballs on
the budget, the better I would have thought for us, Right,
this is not about politics, It's not it shouldn't be political. Well,
I mean it will be ultimate because it's always about politics.

(16:55):
But ultimately, what we should all want is to keep
any finance minister of any government on their toes and
spending our money wisely and paying down debt and doing
the right things by the country right. And the more
of us who are there to exert that pressure and
cast an eye over the budget, the better I would
have thought. And I mean the people, especially at the
New Zealand Initiative, are incredibly bright and I think we

(17:17):
could all actually benefit from having them in the lock up.
So I hope personally that the Finance Minister and Treasury
come under extreme amounts of pressure for this and change
their mind, because I don't think that this is good.
What do they say? Sunlight is the best disinfectant, isn't
it twenty three away from five?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd drive, Hey,
I have.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Some good news for you. The woman that this show
has endorsed has come through. Susan Lee has won the
Australian Liberal Party's leadership battle. She will be near the
new opposition leader.

Speaker 13 (17:48):
And I've spent a lot of time this week talking
to my colleagues and I'm optimistic that they have the
right ideas and I'm positive about what Laza had. But
on third word, we faced a significant defeat, and the
scale and the size of that defeat is not lost

(18:09):
on any of US.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Israeli American hostage e Dan Alexander has been released by Hamas.
Dan's grandmother has thanked the US government.

Speaker 14 (18:17):
I want to thank President Trump, Missa Witkoff and Adambula
for everything they did for the release of her.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Done and with God's will.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
Meet their continue to act for the release of all
the hostages that are sitting Gaza.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Hamas is still holding fifty eight people captive and finally
believe in. The Khan Film Festival has banned nudity on
the red carpet. They've decided this year that they're going
to lay down the Lord. This is basically, I would say,
because naked sea through dresses have become very fashionable and
then Kanye West's wife took it way too far and

(18:49):
she showed up at the Grammys in a completely see
through dress like she will be wearing anything at all.
Khan has banned red carpet selfie's in the past, and
has also been known to turn women away for failing
to show up.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
In international correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business, Murray.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Old doesn't correspondent with us now, Hey.

Speaker 15 (19:09):
Mars made, I know she really enjoyed your endorsement, Susan
Lee very good after Do.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I think it's what swung it for her? Do you
know why we endorsed that, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (19:17):
We got about it.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
We endorsed it because.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Of the numerology thing. We thought we need one of
those in there.

Speaker 15 (19:23):
What we do. And look, I found out a bit
more about her. Four ye she's also a qualified pilot
and an air traffic controller. She looks. He's no dummy
and nor is she a political novice. She's been in parliament,
would you believe since two thousand and one? She was
a minister in successive governments Turnbull, Abbot, Turbul and then Morrison.
She was forced to stand down as Health Minister twenty seventeen,

(19:46):
So I mean health. As you know, health is a
very significant portfolio, so she was judged good enough to
be Health Minister. She was forced to stand down though,
because she was on a taxpayer funded trip to the
Gold Coast and while she was there she dropped a
lazy million or something on an new apartment, so that
went down like a lead balloon and she was forced
to stand down. Her deputy is Ted O'Brien. He's the

(20:07):
fellow who was pushing the nuclear energy barrow. Was hard
and he could in the run up to the election.
Of course, with winners the are losers. Angus Taylor, this
hard right chap who was in charge of selling coalition
financial policy, economic policy. He lost the leadership ballot. He
lost that vote twenty nine to twenty five. And when

(20:29):
he went down, just Center Price, who, of course, the
indigenous woman. Firebrand is the usual adjective ascribed to her.
She pulled a name out to be deputy leader when
Angus did not get up. So the Taylor Price dream team,
that the hard right over here, all these frothing old conservatives.
Oh what a dream team?

Speaker 16 (20:50):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
What why?

Speaker 15 (20:51):
They've got the first female leader and that's going to
go over like a lead balloon of the hard right
sort of corner of dark of late night sky television
as well. But having said all of that, she is
very experienced pair of hands and it's going to take
have look what Julia Gillard did in minority government. I
don't know what it is. When you know it all

(21:12):
goes to tripe. Australian politics turns to women. You saw
it in Joan Kerner in Victoria. That was a basket case.
You saw it in w WA twice. Now we've seen
it with Gillard and of course now we see it
with Susan Lee. And she's got a mountain to climb.
Ninety plus ninety two or three seats for labor in
the Lower House. They're just over forty for the other side.

(21:33):
So she's got a very big job, Heather.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Now the Bondei junction stabber, the psychiatrist has testified.

Speaker 15 (21:40):
What have they said, Well, basically, this was a woman
who treated Coucy Joel Couchy for eight years a psychiatrist
in Queensland from twenty twelve to twenty twenty. She treated Couchy.
She told the inquest that she began reducing he was
on very very very strong antipsychotic medication. He was very
very unwell schizophrenia with deluxe schizophrenia, so he was on

(22:06):
very strong antipsychotic medication. She began to wind it down
after COUCHI was judged well enough to leave the public
health system, and that schizophrenia diagnosis was also reduced from
chronic to what they call first episode, and that was
within the first year this woman began to treat him.

(22:26):
So she said he was on the path to whatever
recovery looks like from schizophrenics. I have no idea, but
she's a psychiatrist and she judged him sufficiently well to
go on that path. And she also told the inquest
howther this guy killed six people, stabbed ten others. But
she said she never saw any signs of any problems
or relapse or safety issues in the eight years that

(22:48):
she was treating him. So this was a guy wanting
to explode when he went off as medication. We've already
heard that at this inquest.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, listen on your players, your cricket players. Do they
want to come home?

Speaker 15 (22:58):
Well, a lot of them are home. I don't think
I don't think there's any left in India right now.
The IPL they all hopped on planes and came home.
So to the Australian players over in Pakistan, the Pakistan,
I forget what that's called over there now, the Pakistan
whatever it's called, the Limited Overs Super League super thank
you very much. You're not of cricketers far superior of mine.

(23:18):
Suffice to say, all the Ausies are high tailed out
of there because of the you know, the obviously accelerating
tensions between India and Pakistan. Anyway, Cricket Australia says, is
backing players decisions over whether or not they'll returned if
they don't want to go back. Don't forget a lot
of these players, and not frontline test players, they are
looking to play in the IPL and the Pakistan Big

(23:38):
Bash because of the big paydays they get. And don't
forget as well, this time next month just about they're
going to be in London to take on South Africa
in the World Test Championship that those two countries will contest.
Don't forget. New Zealand won that first time out by
beating India, so it's it's up in the air very quickly.
In Rugby News, Joseph Swartli very bad concussion last week.

(24:02):
He's out for at least a couple of weeks, but
he will be back in time for the Wallaby selection
process with the Lions. And good news too for fans
of Noah Lolla Coo. Clear of a neck fracture, Thank goodness.
Not sure when he's going to be back. Don't forget
he's the number one, he's the incumbent Test number ten,
so not sure when he's back either. The Lions tour
begins in June, late June over here. And Pete Samo too,

(24:26):
who played two years with my team, the Crusaders. He
assigned for the Tars next year. Back from Europe and
available for selection, and apparently he's playing the house down.
So let's look out, clap the hands at the Wallabyes
do all right.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
We'll do, Murray, thank you very much. Appreciated Murray Old's
Ossie corresponding herether, thank you. I've also been wondering why
so many double barreled names in league. I was literally
asking that after listening to the sports news. Well, Cliff,
have I got some theories for you? Hither I understand
at least some of the double surnames in the NRL

(24:59):
are to represent their mixed heritage, which I quite like. Hither,
I suspect it's got something to do with strong Wahiin
and Maori as in, like the mums are strong, and
so they insist that their names are in there, which
also I like. Hither it's Bogan fashion, like all of
the girls being called chardonnay, thank you. Politics next quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
To Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get
payments Serta Dey.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Jason Wall's political edit is with us A Jason, Good afternoon, Heather. Okay,
so they're having a crack at each other over pay
equity again, are they indeed?

Speaker 12 (25:31):
I mean, and I'm sorry if you're sick of this story,
but it does keep it does have the legs to
keep going because the NATS firmly went on the attack today.
They very much changed tack in ten in terms of
what was last week. It was very much the explaining
is losing and they saw what was going on and
they decided to they decided to go through a different direction.

(25:52):
Now it kind of all hinges on a lot of
what the opposition has been saying. But this video from
Chris Hepkins of Labor Leader is sort of the mean
thrust of what happened today. Have a listen.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
Did you see that Christopher Luxen is now taking money
out of women's pay packets? Last week National Force through
a law change that will stop thousands of women from
getting the pay they deserve.

Speaker 12 (26:14):
So it's that taking women. It's taking money rather out
of women's pay packets. That has really got the NATS
fired up. Started this morning with Chris Bishop who actually
went as far as using the dreaded L word.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
The Labor Party is lying and they spent much of
the last week lying about National's approach to pay equity.

Speaker 12 (26:31):
Then that Chris Luxton had a go.

Speaker 17 (26:32):
Look, I just think it's a terrible shame that Labour's
resorting to lies and misinformation.

Speaker 12 (26:36):
Frankly, and at this point you're probably sensing a bit
of a theme here. It was Nikola Willis Leader in
the morning.

Speaker 14 (26:42):
It is one thing to claim that there is a
debate to be had about the process by which pay
equity regimes are negotiated and settled. It is another thing
to tell an outright lie to New Zealand workers that
women's pay is being cut. That is a lie.

Speaker 12 (26:56):
So it was lie, lie, Lie, the entire day until
it got to the house because you're not technically allowed
to use the L word in the house. So I
think you know this tactic here the Gnats do. It
seems it feels like the dial has shifted somewhat on
this story here. So we put this to Chris Hipkins
this morning and he completely dug in his heels.

Speaker 9 (27:17):
The bet money was otherwise going to be going into
women's paypacker. It's taking it away. It means you're taking
it away.

Speaker 16 (27:21):
Can you see how some interpret that comment as sudding
that Chris Wat's in the taken money of the current paypackers.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Taking money away that women were otherwise going to get.

Speaker 12 (27:29):
Is a cut and you can see why the Gnats
are pushing back on this one. I mean, it is
quite a leap by Chris Hipkins and he's making quite
a lot of assumptions to get there. And it does feel,
as I said, like the government has started to take
control back over this issue.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, fair enough. Now what do you make of this
business when Nikola Willis is barring the union and the
CTU and the Taxpayers Union in the New Zealand Initiative
in Business New Zealand from the lock up.

Speaker 12 (27:53):
Yeah, it's a funny one, and frankly, I'm not actually
that surprised. We saw a similar thing happening at the
the half year Fiscal and Economic Yeah, hypo, Yeah, it happened,
and they barred the CTU and they barred the Taxpayers
Union from coming in. At the time, the Treasury said
that the purpose of these briefings was to provide journalists

(28:14):
and analysts from the media, economic and financial organizations with
sufficient time so that complex information presented can be analyzed
and reported accurately. When the embargo list lifts, assisting in
the transparency and accountability of the public, And it seems
like she's carrying that one over when it comes to
the actual budget itself. And you do look at this

(28:35):
and you're like, the unions, does the taxpayers Unions really
need to be there at the same.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Time as us? Of course, you think so, yep, okay,
because do you think that you understand financial finances better
than Eric Crampton from the New Zealand Initiative.

Speaker 12 (28:52):
Well, well, that's not really what I would use the
budget lock up for. If I really want to get
into the weeds of some of the more curly financial questions.
I can come to them afterwards. That lock up period
for me is a period where about.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
What Jason wants is it. It's about what's the what's
in the best interests of the country. And surely, I
mean the point of the lockup is that we all
sit there for what is it four hours or thereabouts,
and we have really like a quiet time to completely
digest everything that's in there and then come out and
tell the New Zealand public what's in there. Why would

(29:25):
you not want to have a trained economist in there
looking at it and saying this is a problem that
I can see. Well, they are.

Speaker 12 (29:31):
Still in there. I mean that's the point that I
admit you still have economists from A and Z. I
mean you still have your brad Olsen's and a few
others in there as well, because they do the.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Way is brad Olsen in there and not the New
Zealand Initiative.

Speaker 12 (29:42):
Well the Brad Also if you look at the market player,
I mean A and Z would be in there, for example,
because if there is significant moves to the currency, or
if there are significant moves within the budget, which means
that there is a significant fallback on various different positions
that they've taken. For example, I mean it has the
more of an implication of a big bank economist is
there rather than a union that I would say, which

(30:05):
is just going to look at the information and put
out a press service That would be the same as
you would be looking at if it was two hours.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
But what about what about an Eric Crempton for example?
I mean Eric Crampton as an I have a lot
of regard for this man, which is why I keep
using him as an example. He has a completely different
interest to a retail bank, right. His interest is policy.
Surely we value we get value from having him in.

Speaker 12 (30:25):
There, absolutely, And that's my point is you could come
find somebody like that. Afterwards, you can, at that point
in time, what's the information in the budget look at
some of the bigger questions to do with the economy.
You do not need an economist to tell you to
go to the back of the budget and look at
how the different forecasts there's a bit of variation. I mean, yeah,
you know, Heather, I feel like I can do these

(30:46):
sorts of things. I've been doing them for about nine years.
I know that I've got the likes of times cover
who would be able to do them as well. But
it's I think that there is a time and a
place for these people and you don't necessarily need them
in the room.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh, I you know what, I'm shocked. I'm shocked by
what you've just said to me. But I didn't come.

Speaker 12 (31:03):
Into this with an opinion, but you've drawn it out
of me.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
And I'm shocked by it. And you should take that opinion.
It's the rubbish at Jason, thank you appreciate it. Jason
Wall's News Talks. W'd be political editor. We'll talk about
this later. Seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking.

Speaker 17 (31:22):
Breakfast, let's talk aviation CEO of Jetstar and Stepanie Tully,
who is this?

Speaker 18 (31:27):
Can you make money doing what you do?

Speaker 17 (31:29):
The reason they asked that question as emerates came out
the other day and they're making record profits for the
third year in a row. Quantas are making huge profits.
Is that a model based thing? Or can any airline
if they do it right, make money?

Speaker 15 (31:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
You can.

Speaker 19 (31:40):
I mean Jetster is on track for a record result
this year, and I think for us it's harder because
the margins are Fenner of low cost carriers. You've got
to be really focused on keeping your cost based low.
But we also don't offer all the bells and whistles
that cost money. So there's proof around the world that
both models can be very successful.

Speaker 17 (31:58):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, the Eric Crampton used to be a lecturer at
the University of Canterbury. I know, who needs a lecturer?
Who needs an economics lecturer? When you have got Jason
Walls in there? What does Jason Walls go? Has he
got a BA because that's all I've got? Well, I
mean I have got a postgrad. But it's still only
a BA bugger all, isn't it? So anyway, don't we
jug on need a lecturer and economics never mind? Anyway?

(32:27):
Which is going to leave that? Actually, by the way,
we're speaking to the Taxpayers Union at about ten past five,
so shortly because the Finance Minister's done a speech today
where she's talked about, you know, just a few pre
budget things, and one of the things is that they're
going to chuck a hundred million dollars into the Elevate
Fund Now the Elevate Fund is the government's fund that
is used to throw some cash at startups and so on. Taxpayers.

(32:49):
Union doesn't love that. They're going to talk us through
that shortly. Also, incidentally, another thing that she's revealed is
that we're going to pass a bit of an economic milestone.
In three years time, we will have our first ever
withdrawal from the super fund. Government doesn't decide when that happens.
It's based on economic conditions. By the looks of things,
it's come forward a bit, but it was only We're
only supposed to do it in twenty thirty three. Now
we're doing it in twenty twenty eight. And we will

(33:11):
talk about that later on. Actually with Brad Olson after
six o'clock news.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Is next None, digging through the spith sens to find
the real story, soring it's Heather dupis the on drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks. That'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Afternoon. Even more details have come to light about the
kind of pornographic material that Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming
allegedly had on his work device. The Herald is reporting
an investigation is underway to decide whether the material was objectionable. Now,
Jared Savage is The Herald's investigative reporter. Hey, Jared, hi header, Jared,
what do you know about the pawn that was allegedly

(33:58):
found on his computer?

Speaker 20 (34:00):
Well, allegedly, And I do stress that allegedly. It's not
sort of garden variety pronography. It's what it has deemed well,
allegedly objectionable material. Now, objectionable material is subject to interpretation,
but it's generally something that's it's governed by the Film,

(34:21):
Video and Publications Classifications Act, and it's generally speaking, things
that involve you know, sexual violence, horror, cruelty. So we don't,
we don't. We know very little about what we're staying
on the computer. But that is what the police is
looking at at the moment to determine whether this material

(34:43):
allegedly found on Mixcliming's computer could be classified as objectionable.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Now, having that kind of stuff on your computer allegedly
is a crime, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (34:55):
It is an offense under the Act, and it's it's
a sort of offense that the police as well as
the Department of Internal Affairs and Customs actually as well
investigate quite regularly. So if it is classified as addictionable
and there's a big long process where whatever the material
sound is being compared to other material, charges could be

(35:20):
laid and we could be finding ourselves in the cretcase.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Now, will the cops keep on investigating him despite the
fact that he's resigned him in that half do? Wouldn't they?

Speaker 21 (35:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (35:30):
And the Commissioner, which the Chambers has been quite clear
about that, they've been very tightlets the police and Mark Mitchell,
the Police Minister. But Chambers was adamant to say the
resignation of e Scimming yesterday doesn't stop the investigation. That'll
carry on and I guess will have an outcome in
due course.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
They will need to replace him reasonably quickly, I would
have thought, because there's just one police Deputy commissioner right
now who can legally fill in for Chambers.

Speaker 20 (35:59):
Right, That's right. So there's there's been keys that the
statutory diputies. One was given ex Skimming, the other was Timeyakudda.
And should anything happen to the Commissioner or should he
himself come under investigation for whatever reason, the status the
senior statutory ditty takes over. That wasn't skimming. Now it's

(36:21):
time your pudder. So I would expect to see, you know,
an application for that role to be advertised there shortly
as an important role. And you know, it comes shortly
after there's been a bit of a restructure the police
executive as well, so I imagine there'll be a few
contenders putting their hand up for that one.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Jared, thanks for talking us through it, mate. This Jared Savage,
investigative reporter for the Herald.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Heather do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
The Financement has just given a pre budget speech today
and revealed that she is putting an extra one hundred
million dollars into the Elevate Venture Fund, which invests in startups. Now,
James Ross is from the Taxpayers Union with us right now, Hey, James,
I have you don't like this idea? Do you?

Speaker 22 (37:02):
No, we don't like this idea at all.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Why.

Speaker 22 (37:04):
I think there's two big issues that we see with this.
The first is that, you know, a week out from
the budget, we are still seeing a government who thinks
that the key to growth is taxing more, spending more,
and picking winners. The second half is that, frankly, you
know this is it's venture capital, it's high risk by design,
it's gambling with taxpayers money and it's all going on
the credit card. It's money.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
We don't have.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
The point that she's made, though, is that this particular
fund has actually backed successful companies in the past, like
down Aerospace.

Speaker 22 (37:34):
Yeah, but it's I mean the nature the high risk.
It's it pays off until it doesn't. You know, if
we compare this to something like the New Zealand Green
Investment Investment Finance Fund, which was a very similar scheme.
You know, it paid off until they made one hundred
and forty five million dollar loan to Settle zero, which
went broken. Then it very quickly didn't. It's just it's
the nature of the sort of gambling that it is

(37:55):
going to backfire on taxpayers.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Do so.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
I mean, one of the arguments is that any of
these business as would actually be able to attract investment
without having to go to the government if they were good.
Do you subscribe to that idea?

Speaker 22 (38:07):
Look, if they were, if they were commercially violable, then
they would be able to attract that finance and they
wouldn't need the government to prop up these essentially prop
up these other venture capital firms. The fact that the
government is having to do. That just proves how high
risk these investments are, and it proves the risk that
taxpayers are being exposed to.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
James, why should we lit the taxpayers Union into the
budget lockup?

Speaker 22 (38:30):
We should let the taxpayers Union into the budget lock
up because we're there to cut through the spin. And frankly,
it's this of a spin that we're there to cut through.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Jason Walls in ow political edituses. He doesn't need anyone
to tell them to go to the back of the
budget and look at the numbers.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Do you do more than that? Yeah, you know.

Speaker 22 (38:47):
I mean we've been in there before. We've actually found
mistakes and pointed them out to Treasury officials which have
subsequently been corrected. We do this day in day out.
We are we are I hesitate to say experts, but frankly,
and far too much time with our heads in these books.
We know these numbers inside and out. The public have
a right to know what those numbers are without the spin.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
James, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. James Ross,
the Taxpayers.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Union hither due for Ellen Hither.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
You completely missed the point from Jason Wools. He's not
saying that the Taxpayers Union or any other such organizationalor
lobby group doesn't add some value to the conversation. The
purpose of the budget lockdown is for those who need
to decipher and then communicate complex information. That is the
role of the media. That is the role of the media.

(39:34):
Oh it's not that hard to featherm is it?

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
We're hello, What rock are you living under? Have you
seen the quality of the media of late? Turn the
tally on, turn the tally on. Read the papers. Tell
me how much confidence you have? Have you seen how
old they are? They're literally born yesterday, most of them. Anyway,
bless bless you? Is that Jason texting me again, just
trying to get his point across as he harrising me.

(39:58):
It feels like it. We'll talk to the huddle about
it later on. Yeah, I'd suffice to say, I don't
agree with you, but with a huddle, we've got the
right person on the huddle because it's another economist. It's
the economist from the CTU, Craig Rennie, so we'll get
his take on it. Listen, I need to talk to
you about what Judith Collins has been up to. It's

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eighteen past five. Now, the worst kept secret in New
Zealand football is finally out. Ryan Reynolds football team are
coming to Wellington to play the Phoenix. How cool is that?
Rexam AFC famous, of course because of the award winning
TV documentary series Welcome to Wrexham.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Our Heidi Morton is from Wellington, New Zealand. The guys
who actually managed to pull this off. Hey Heidi, Hey,
here's how are you well? Thank you? How much you
paying them?

Speaker 21 (41:55):
I knew that was going to be your first question.
Unfortunately I'm not going to answer that. That's commercially sensitive,
but what I can say is has been a great
buy considering other outcomes that we think we're going to
get from this in on par with what we obviously
partner with other things for other major events in the city.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Auckland's mayor was on our show yesterday saying that that
you know, if Auckland wants to get a big concert
or something, it's about three or four million dollars to
just get them to turn up. Have you paid round
about that amount? Absolutely? Not less or more?

Speaker 21 (42:30):
Absolutely less, well, less, very much less.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
For the money that you've paid. Are we going to
get Ryan Reynolds as well?

Speaker 21 (42:40):
Well, I can't comment on that, but we've all got
our fingers crossed in the office and around the city
that will not only get Ryan, but we'll also get
Rob as well, but of course that's in the hands
of Ryan and Rob's schedules.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Do you think it will sell out?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 21 (42:57):
When we hosted Newcastle United in twenty fourteen we had
around thirty one thousand, and the same for the LA
Galaxy and David Beckham back when they came in two
thousand and seven. So I think it will sell out,
and not only because this is going to be a
fantastic friendly football match, but also the entertainment drawer with

(43:20):
the Welcome to Wrexham show that's on Disney plus and
you know the rise that the that Wrexham have had
going into the English Football League Championship next year.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
What do you reckon Is it going to do well
because we're becoming a football country or is it simply
because it's been all over itally and it's got this
wonderful story behind it.

Speaker 21 (43:42):
I think it's both. So we really look forward to
welcoming all those Auckland FC fans down to down to
Wellington to come and see it. You know, there's people
from all over the country that you know loves love
the Phoenix, loves love Auckland f C. So football is
on the rise in this country and be still to
Auckland you see a near run to the finals. But

(44:04):
also you know the entertainment factor is immense here. I
mean it has one of the biggest followings this show
around the world and included in Willington and New Zealand.
Welcome to Wrexam. So there will be people that are
coming and hopefully you know it's a good weekend for them.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah he is hoping. Hey, thanks very much, Heidi, really
appreciate it. Heidi Morton, Wellington, New Zealand Events and Experiences
General Manager Ken Turner talking about Ken shortly five twenty.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
One checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
That'd be five to twenty three Doug. Yesterday when I
read how expensive those little green bins in Auckland, where
I actually wasn't actually I wasn't entirely sure that I
actually believed the numbers because they were just so mind
blowingly wild. But it turns out, in fact the numbers
are true. Auckland Council is they confirmed at the start
of this program paying fourteen hundred dollars for every ton

(45:04):
of carbon that those little green bins keep out of
the atmosphere when the going rate for carbon. Why this
is wild is because the going rate for carbon is
only fifty dollars. So what's happened as Auckland Council has
decided to set up its own little scheme, right, you'll
be aware of it now. They decided to manufacture these
little green bins in Australia and then send them over,
and then manufacture the liners in China and then send

(45:24):
them over and then give them to every single Auckland
household to put out on the curb every week, and
then they come around with their trucks and they collect
them every week, and then they dump them all into
another truck, and then those trucks drive them down to Epordor,
which is down by Utua, and they dump carbon miles galore,
and then they dump it in a little dumping place there.
And that whole process to take your food scraps to

(45:45):
Rhoda vegas costs fourteen hundred dollars per carbon ton that
is kept out of the atmosphere. Instead of doing this,
what they could, of course do is they could just
take it down to the landfill and dump it where
it will break down, because it's food, that's what food does.
And then to solve their conscience, they could go to
the carbon auction. They could buy themselves a carbon unit
for fifty dollars, or if they really want to, they

(46:09):
could plant some trees to offset the carbon at one
hundred and twenty dollars per ton. But instead what they've
decided to do is not spend fifty, not spend one
hundred and twenty, but spend fourteen hundred dollars. Now I
could give Auckland Council a little bit of leeway if
the price difference was marginal, like maybe if it was
fifty dollars versus sixty dollars. But fifty dollars versus fourteen
hundred dollars is inexcusable. And by the way, this will

(46:31):
never be anywhere close to fifty bucks because even if
every single household and auction actually use these bins, which
we don't, only about a third of us do, if
every single householded, the cost of that carbon ton would
still be about five hundred dollars compared to fifty dollars. Now,
I can't understand why they're persevering with the scheme, but
I suspect it's because they think this is the right

(46:52):
thing to do, and they've got caught up thinking that
they personally at Auckland Council have to save the planet
truck by truck. But they need to dump this. I
mean they have permission to because Labor you will recall,
made these bins mandatory, but the Coalition government has scrapped them.
So persevering with these bins is just stupid ideology. And
though they will say to you it's only two dollars
per household, per week. Two dollars per household per week

(47:14):
adds up and that's thirty six million dollars a year
across all Clind City. That's a lot of money that
would buy a lot of books, or a lot of
street bins, or a lot of anything else. That the
money that the city should actually be spending its money on.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Heatherduper Clo Now, speaking of all.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Clind Council, do you remember yesterday we had the Mayor
Wayne Brown on the show and we asked him why
he supported the co governance and the White Tarketys and
he said, no, I didn't support the co governance and
the White Tarketis And we said, yeah, you did. You
voted for it and he said no, no, I didn't
vote for it. It was Ken Turner.

Speaker 23 (47:44):
We got a parking. I've formed a parks committee and
put Ken Turner on it as the chairperson, and he's
deeply involved in why to arrange the things, and so
I leave it up for him.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Really, they not.

Speaker 23 (47:55):
I'm going to the Saint Mary's Bay Association and I
lived there, so I'm going to go that and it's
my and I don't expect Ken Turners to know anything
about that because he lives out in the wite tegeries,
and so I let him worry about those things. Ten
Turner's all over and he lives in the wi techery,
So why would I bother interfering with what he's doing
on that one.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, anyway, so we got in touch with Kim Turner.
Kin Turner's not stoked about the situation that he finds
himself in right now. Turns out this will alarm you.
But Wayne didn't know what he was voting for. But
Ken also didn't know what he was voting for, and
he is doing huge mere culpas because he does not
love what he's voted for. So anyway, Ken's going to

(48:36):
be with us after the news to talk about why
all the people on council don't know what they're voting for.
Headline's next came.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
After making the news. The newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected. Dogs, they'd be cold. You're taking me out ordinary.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
How would you name go to Andaryhither.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
The landfills that the food scraps go to have gas capture,
which means that ninety percent of the methane is captured
and used for electricity. Therefore the council actually only needs
to spend about five dollars for carbon thanks just makes
it so much worse. And by the way, getting a
lot of texts suggesting that what we should do is
sub out the Phoenix and put Auckland f C in
there instead, because the Phoenix are going to get their

(49:34):
butts whipped by Wrexham, but Auckland FC may actually put
up a good show, and you know what, I would
be all on board for that. Maybe we could do
Maybe we could get them to go to Wellington first,
give those guys a smashing at the Phoenix and then
come up for a real match of football afterwards. How
about that huddle is standing by going to be of
this very shortly and Judith Collins after six I'll talk
you through what she's planning to do. Right now, it's

(49:54):
twenty four away from six now. Last night Auckland Mayor
Wayne Brown was on the show and we are the
way He voted for co governance and the white targets
and he told us he knew nothing about it because
he had delegated that decision making to Ken Turner, who
was another counselor who he trusts one hundred percent on
this and Ken Turner is with us. Now, Hello, Ken, Hello?

(50:15):
Is that really what happened? Did he tell you that
you could do all of the decision making for him.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
I've been beside this from the beginning by myself to
a degree, and in the governing body on the tenth
of December last year, it was just a standard vote
in council.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Okay, did the mayor ask you to vote on his behalf?

Speaker 10 (50:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Well, what was he talking about?

Speaker 13 (50:41):
Then?

Speaker 7 (50:42):
I'm not sure? I voted on my behalf? Unfortunately?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Okay, unfortunately, Well, I.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
Voted yes, and I should not have, and I've apologized
for that.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Why should you not have?

Speaker 7 (50:56):
Because the vote was just to go to public, not
too We were voting on the information that would be
given to the public to go for the have your
Say event, for the public consultation. And I had taken
it for granted that the two options that I'd been
negotiating and sitting beside for nine ten months were in
the resolution. They were in the executive summary, they were

(51:19):
in the analysis and advice, and I did not realize
they were not in the resolution until two months later.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Okay, So what are you apologizing for?

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Because I would have voted no if I had have
known that, and having voted yes, and having people saying
this was unanimous, this was unanimous, has put me back
a few steps on a very important subject that the
community put me here to fight.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah. I'm guessing that the community is not loving the
co governance and the white targeting idea.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
The community wants their park back. Yeah, the community the park.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Why is it closed?

Speaker 7 (51:57):
We're told it's for carry die pack, but that's been
an eight year precautionary approach. The last review that the
council did in twenty twenty two actually identified well. It
stated it walked away from the claim that it's humans
moving the photosphra around and it also admitted that tatafras everywhere.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Are you suggesting are you by linking the closing of
the park with the co governance? Are you suggesting that
the EWI is behind the closing of the park.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
Behind some of it. I'm sitting here in front of
a twenty eighteen memory of understanding between the Council and EWE.
It's headed why Kaki Ranger's Regional Park tracks plan, and
in it at one place here Item seven sorry, Item
thirteen B. Forest isolation zones will be established in perpetuity

(52:52):
to protect gates to protect asymptomatic and healthy Cowori catchments
by exclusion areas.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Meaning what what does that meaning?

Speaker 7 (53:04):
That permanent closure? By whom the council and Mana Finos
seem to have these ideas?

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Okay, so they've struck an agreement. Okay, ken, So do
you support this idea? If you? If are you going
to get another chance to vote on it?

Speaker 13 (53:19):
Are you?

Speaker 7 (53:22):
I hope so?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
And if it comes up for a vote and they
say do you support this idea? Are you going to
vote yes or no?

Speaker 7 (53:29):
No?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
And what about the mayor?

Speaker 7 (53:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Well I thought you, I thought you're voting on his behalf.
That's what he told. No, no, no, no, he told us
he's busy with the meeting in Saint Mary's Bay and
he trusts you one hundred percent because you live in
the White Argatis.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
Well, that's very nice of him. On flatter, however, I
was voting for myself and I had no idea that
I had a job for the mayor.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Okay, have you written him a letter to explain to
him how nuts this whole idea.

Speaker 7 (53:54):
Is yes, I did.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Did he read it?

Speaker 7 (53:59):
I don't know when I heard that. There was another
time when I heard the mayor didn't know much about this.
So I got in touch with his chief of staff
and said, you've got my letter. It was there five
days ago. Please make sure it gets in front of
the mayor.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Okay, So all right, we'll call BS on that from
the mayor. Then, thanks, Ken appreciated Ken Turner, the famous
Ken Turner Auckland Counselor, nineteen away from six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
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Speaker 3 (54:27):
On the huddle with us this evening. Tim Wilson, Maximum
Institute and Craig Rennie c to you, economist, Hell, are
you too? Anyone getting the feeling that the mayor has
been playing silly buggers on this one?

Speaker 24 (54:39):
Just yeah, my goodness, when you say something in public,
you should make sure the story at least checks out somehow.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah, okay, so we all are. Hey Craig, how are
you feeling about being kept out of the budget lockup?

Speaker 16 (54:52):
Well, I'm disappointed, naturally, I've been to many budget lockups previously,
and the CEA to you has been to pretty much
every budget lockup. It's of a being invited to. So
I guess I'm more disappointed for all of our members
who won't be able to have access to the information
they normally would have and be able to understand what's
actually in the budget.

Speaker 7 (55:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Well, no, Jason Walls, the political leader or at news
Talk zibces he doesn't need an economist to tell him
to go to the back of the budget and read
the numbers. He doesn't need you. You don't add.

Speaker 16 (55:18):
Anything because that's what I told Jason Walls how to
read the budget five years ago, and so he's quote
he's deliberately actually quoting me and telling.

Speaker 24 (55:27):
The great great can you look in twenty tweentyne because
I understand you're probably going to get into Parliament in
Wellington Central. So in twenty twenty nine, when you're the
Minister of Finance, will you pledge now that you'll let
me into the budget lockup.

Speaker 16 (55:40):
I'll tell you what, if I'm ever in the fortunate
place of being the Minister of Finance, I will absolutely
let you into the lock up, and I'll let anybody
else into the lockup who works for a reasonable organization
who has a reasonable reason for being there. Unfortunately, what
we have right now is a situation where the Treasury
or the Minister of Finance has made decisions to lock
up not just see to you, not just me, but

(56:02):
also the PS, every other trade union, lots of other organizations, Zealand, Zealandpaers,
the Taxpayers Union, a whole bunch of organizations who have
perfectly reasonable reasons to be there. And if you don't
like me, just kick me out, right, but don't kick
out everybody else, right. That seems to be a huge,

(56:22):
huge decision.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Because what they do, let's be honest about it, tim
what they're doing is they are avoiding scrutiny because they
know that the economs bring a different level of scrutiny
to your journos and that's just too tough, right, So
they're keeping them out. That's what's going on here.

Speaker 24 (56:36):
Well, it seems to be right, And I'm of the
opinion that some scrutiny is actually helpful when we're looking
at numbers and are you talking with the textpayers Union
guy who said we've actually spotted mistakes. Well, if we
can get more people into spot mistakes, that might be
helpful for the healthy the health of the country.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 16 (56:54):
Certainly, the New Zealand Initiative a couple of years ago
noticed an error in the TOBE or taxation and that
was inside the documents. So there's perfectly good reasons for
being there. But just generally speaking, it's essentially seeing financial
institutions like big Australian banks or Bloomberg, who's a US
based organization. They're allowed access to this information, but three

(57:17):
hundred and fifty thousand workers who we represent aren't. And
that doesn't seem to be No, I don't think it's
fair reason why we're doing that.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
No, it's not fear at all. Craig. Did you just
confirm before, by the way, that you're going to run
as a library?

Speaker 20 (57:28):
I put absolutely not.

Speaker 16 (57:30):
I confirmed that if I was if I was the
Minister of Finance in twenty twenty nine, which seems like
such a vanishingly ridiculous suggestion that I'm happily I'll happily
back up. If I'm in that position, then I'll happily
let you.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
That seems like rule out for us that you're going
to be on the labor ticket next year.

Speaker 16 (57:50):
Well, first things first, there's a whole party process that's
involved in that. I'm not going to rule anything in
or out, because there's a long way before twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I just want you to acknowledge, when you are the
Minister of Finance that we made you famous on the huddle.
Nobody knew who you were Craig before this.

Speaker 16 (58:08):
I'm very happy to do that, very happy.

Speaker 24 (58:11):
I'll tell you what you let Maxa, You let Maxim
and Creg will bring scrutiny and the scones. So it's
a dundee.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Fantaga we made that.

Speaker 16 (58:17):
There are already already savings to the crown.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Really okay, we'll take a break, come back to you guys.
Shortly caught it two.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
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Speaker 3 (58:30):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Tim Wilson and Craig Greenny. Tim,
did you see the carbon cost of those green bins
in Auckland?

Speaker 24 (58:36):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, central government mandating and
not thought through, not particularly desirable policy with not desirable outcomes.
I mean the plastic bags made in China shipped here,
the bins from Ossie shipped here, polluting trucks.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
It's a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
It totally is. But I mean, okay, Craig, you're an economist.
Does this work on any level when you do this
whole elaborate scheme and it costs you fourteen hundred dollars
per carbon ton when you could just buy a unit
on the carbon auction for fifty bucks.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
It doesn't.

Speaker 16 (59:09):
But I think it would also belies.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I think Nikola did that. Nicholas done that. She didn't
like what he was.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Do you know who it was? It was? It was
actually Jason Walls.

Speaker 24 (59:21):
He was Jason was going to be exposed and he
just had to He had to shut poor old Craig down.
But when Craig's the Minister of finance, Walls will do
you think?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Jason was like, we don't actually need an economist's opinion
on this, cut him off. We will understand mats never mind.

Speaker 24 (59:36):
Well this is but this is this is probably how
they wrote this policy. Here there is we'll just shut
the economists out, and you know your compost is great.
Don't worry about the numbers that they'll wash their own faces.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Do you use the green bins? Tim?

Speaker 24 (59:50):
No, we throw our compost over the fence like most Awklanders.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Oh no, that is an absolute lie. That's on the
other side of the Hang on, tech. Now, if you're
going to talk nonsense like and I'm going to talk
to craigallow Craig you there, Yes, I am apologies, Go on,
then tell me what you think.

Speaker 20 (01:00:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:00:05):
Essentially, this is one of these situations in which you
know that the principle of allowing local government to actually
work should actually take place. You know, when central government
is to say, to provide mandates on our thing that
often doesn't work in one area or doesn't work in
another area, we should This is why we elect local
government to make these decisions, and we should allowed Craig.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
All right, but what about this though? Government has actually
repealed the mandating here, right, So it's up to councils now,
and they can scrap these things if they don't want
don't want them anymore. But Auckland Council continues with this.
So this is not a central government problem. This is
now an Auckland council problem, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:00:42):
It sounds like it And I think if the carbon
price is well higher than that, then this is something
that you know in the knes, in the resource constrained
universe that we're all in right now, and certainly many
local residents facing ever increasing rates bills, we'll be asking
hard questions. The key thing here is you know what
works in what's actually going to really make a difference,

(01:01:02):
And it doesn't sound as if it's really working or
if it's actually got the level of community support or
community buy and that will actually deliver a really good
outcome for Auckland.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Is there too?

Speaker 21 (01:01:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Absolutely? Hey, what do you make tim of IID doing
this crackdown and getting the student loan blood is to
pay their money back?

Speaker 24 (01:01:19):
Well, yeah, we all hate Texas, but IID does need
to be collecting them, and this just shows that money
buys money. So they got more on the last budget
to go for this stuff, two hundred million. I think
they should keep doing it because apparently we've got two
point three billion outstanding. Winston Peter should jump on this.
If you get that back, you could buy eight fererries.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
You could buy eight firies, You could buy a lot
of stuff. About whole bunch of green bins as well. Craig,
isn't this interesting though? So I think the best example
of what's going on here is one of the old
mates is not paying the money back for years, presumably defaulted.
IID arrests the person at the border, and suddenly they
pay the money back, So they clearly have the money,
they just don't want to pay it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:58):
I think that happens.

Speaker 16 (01:02:00):
I think there's lots of different reasons and lots of
different things that occur, and some people will have the
money and some people won't. I think there's a couple
of things, one of which is we can't just keep
putting more loans and more costs on students. Student costs
when the cost tituition when it's six percent last year,
the costs of interest if you're having to pay it
when up more last year again. But two, this is

(01:02:21):
a great example of if you invest in the public service,
you get a good outcome. It would be lovely if
we followed that example elsewhere in governments and we made
investments in government that actually allowed good outcomes. Funny Zealand doesn't.
This is a really good example of that happening in
the real world.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I can't tell whether you like the crackdown on the
student loan defaulters or us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Do you well?

Speaker 16 (01:02:43):
I certainly like that people. When people owe money, they
should pay it. Yea, and they should. The question is
if they can't pay it, then there's a you know,
there's a process by which they can go through IRDs
in order to get support to get change. So there's
no you want fame mee seeing that they shouldn't pay it.
But we shouldn't be continuing to hugely of a burden

(01:03:07):
of students as a consequence of this. And secondly we
should then be meeting sure that they've got good jobs
to go to in New Zealand, rather than essentially forcing
many of them to go all overseas to get the
knes of work and experience that they need.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Yeah too, right, Okay, guys, it's been great to chat
to the pair of you. Look after yourselves. That's Craig
Rennie and Tim Wilson our huddle this evening ate away
from sex.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Here that we don't elect stupid. Well, that's the plan,
but it doesn't always work. This is true, right, this
is I feel like that's reference to what's happened at Auckland. Council.
I think we're going to talk a little bit about
Auckland Council tomorrow because it's just remarkable how stupid, how
many stupid decisions are being made over there. Listen, I
just want to draw your attention to something just on
that sea bomb column that we spent a bit of

(01:03:56):
time talking about yesterday. Chrishipkins has been asked about this. Okay,
So back in twenty twenty three when Chrishipkins was the
Prime Minister, he did an interview where he was asked
about all the nasty things that people said about Jacinda
Ardun and he said, there is no question unfortunately women
in leadership positions, women in politics, but women in other
leadership positions are the subject of far more abuse in

(01:04:17):
vitriol than men doing comparable jobs are. I think we
do have a responsibility as men to step up and
to condemn that and to speak out against it. So
then somebody came to him and they were like, hey,
you're a man, would you like to speak out against
that vitriol that was aimed at Nikola Willis when she
was called the sea bomb in a column And he said, well,

(01:04:38):
it's actually a journalist exercising free speech, and I'm not
going to tell them what they're allowed to say. Ha ha.
You're not allowed to be mean here here starteth the lesson.
You're not allowed to be mean to Cindy, but you
are allowed to be very mean to Nicky because Nicky's
on the blue team and Cindy's on the red team.
Red team's off bound. Blue teams go for it even

(01:04:59):
if it the sea bomb. Crazy times now anyway, listen,
Judith Collins, she's going to be with us after the news.
It's being reported today that she wants to scrap diversity
nonsense and hiring bosses in the public sector. Newstaloks he'd
be in The Herald have been given her heads up now.
Now this is because she's the new Public Service minister.
It's not actually this is not actually technically a news

(01:05:19):
story right because no decision has been made here. She's
just considering it. This is called flying a kite, I
think so. I think what she's doing is she's just
letting it be known that she's kind of considering doing
this and if it lands well, then she will do it,
and if it doesn't land well, then she won't do it.
And basically what she's thinking about is exploring removing some
requirements to consider diversity and inclusion when hiring chief executives. Instead,

(01:05:43):
she wants them to focus more on merit based appointments
across the public sector. I think this is going to
land very well, particularly with her voter base, so I
think she will be going ahead and doing it. So
in anticipation of this kite being flown and actually catching
the breeze and going for it, We're gonna have it
at to her next just to see what she makes
of it. News Talks at.

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Speaker 25 (01:06:49):
US Talks at B Evening coming up in the next hour.
We're going to dip into the super Fund as the
country for the first time in three years. Now that
date has been brought forward significantly. Brad Olsen on that.
Told you the other day Worth is doing a U
turn on the wool carpets. Jamie McKay on that, and
we'll have Deloitte's Robin Walker on the student loan crackdown.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Seven past six. Now it's being reported that Judith Collins
is looking at getting rid of DEI hiring in the
public service. She's written cabinet papers suggesting that public sector
bosses should be allowed to hire based solely on merit
and without the current requirements to foster an inclusive workplace.
Now she's doing this obviously in her capacity as the
Public Service Minister. Judith. Hello, ah, hi, Heather, How committed

(01:07:29):
are you to actually wanting to get rid of these rules?

Speaker 26 (01:07:32):
Well, I think absolutely committed. This is something that seems
to be some focus of the previous government. But we're
also hearing from public servants that they like to think
that they are employed on merit, not based on little
boxes that have been tipped. So I think it's one
of those things that's going to hold the public service

(01:07:53):
back if we can't get the right people for the
job and we can't have the widest pool of CAPE applicants.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
What are the rules? I mean, are the rules? They
don't seem like they're hard and fast. It's just like
it has to be a consideration diversity.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
Is that right?

Speaker 26 (01:08:08):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with valuing diversity of thought and experience.
Where you're at it too, It's all part of who's
the best person for the job, But at the moment,
it's really clear that the public service seems to be
getting itself wound up and not to make sure that
they followed this particular set of rules, such as the
equal pay rules, the Human Rights Act, all those sorts

(01:08:33):
of rules, but are already in law, so we're not
getting rid of requirements. What we're saying is to follow
that law, not follow just this particular law, and not
even mentioning other laws. So it's like, I don't know
when Labor rewrote this. It was Chris Hipkins, I think
was the minister at the time. They seem to be
completely intent on identity politics, and I just don't think

(01:08:56):
the museum tax should be having to pay for that.
And it's also it's not fair on public servants who
feel sometimes and people accuse them of having been appointed
because of their ethnicity or some diversity thing when they're
just trying to get do the right job. So it's
like acknowledging the fact we already have laws for these things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Is there just explain to me exactly what the rules
currently are. Is there a rule that says you have
to have a woman chief executive or you have to
have fifty percent chief of executives or something like, is
there an actual number a target here?

Speaker 26 (01:09:31):
No, but there's lots of there are targets, but there's
no requirements to actually have a woman chief excess for
this or that. But I think it is more important
to say, you know, this is over thirty percent of
a basically New Zealand's business, and it is important that
we know that everyone who's appointed is appointed on their.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
No, you don't need to convince me I one hundred
percent agree with you. I'm just trying to establish what
on earth the has been doing. So has it been
sort of at your discretion if you're hiring, And many
of them have been overly focused on that.

Speaker 26 (01:10:07):
I think of their overly focused because New Zealanders tend
to be like that in particularly the public service. If
you give them the tools to say you've got to
look at all these things, they'll look at them all right,
they'll look at them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
All day long.

Speaker 26 (01:10:20):
If you don't say, just choose the right person for
the job. And I mean, obviously may well take into
account people's life experience and who they are and what
they're you know, everything that.

Speaker 20 (01:10:33):
They can do.

Speaker 26 (01:10:34):
But it's also their understanding that Once you make those
targets that public servants report on, that's what they will
work to. So just say get the best versus the
job and get their job done.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Have you come across any people who have been hired
because they are women and actually have been otherwise disappointing?

Speaker 26 (01:10:59):
Occasionally I have come across people who I wonder how
they were hired. But that's not just women, of course,
there are Sometimes they come across the odd man and
I think.

Speaker 20 (01:11:10):
Well, how the hell did that happen?

Speaker 26 (01:11:12):
So that's you know, hither that's me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
I don't want to name people's exactly there I'm after
I want you to name names.

Speaker 20 (01:11:19):
Oh you are naughty.

Speaker 26 (01:11:21):
No, but I think whatever it is. If you tell
public servers their role is to get merit based appointments
and not to take too much notice of people's personal
lives or anything else, I mean, you're going to get
better appointments. But also people know that they're being appointed
for the right reasons, not about anything else about their
personal lives.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Judith, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
Judith Collins, Public Service Minister. By the way, I have
a lot to get through in the next hour, so
I'm just going to hone write through a bunch of stuff. Okay.
By the way, the first group of white South African
refugees have arrived in the United States. They will meet
at Dulles International Airport outside Washington, DC by a couple

(01:12:02):
of senior officials. So Trump is quite keen to make
a quite a big deal out of this. It's about
fifty nine adults and kids and stuff like that, stirring
a lot of controversy because generally white people, I'm guessing,
hardly ever considered refugees, especially in a place like South Africa,
where they are you know, not your typical refugee, are
they because they earn a lot more money than the

(01:12:22):
local black population, for example. Anyway, in much better financial circumstances,
is what I'm trying to say. Anyway, So that is
in and of itself stirring quite a lot of controversy.
More controversy because he's described what's happening to them as
a genocide, and also because on the very same day
that he's letting in white South Africans, he has removed
protections from Afghans who were at risk of being deported
back to Afghanistan. So that's the first thing you need

(01:12:44):
to know. The second thing is that Pope Leo has
hosted an audience with international media. About six thousand members
of the media were there. He called for the release
of journalists in prison for seeking the truth. He focused
on the need for press freedom around the world, and
he also asked journalists to help put a stop to
polarizing reporting and to end the war of words. Do
you think he's read Andrea ANS's column yet? Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
It's sixteen past six now, Nicholas Oh, I'm going to
get back. There's a text there on Oh on the
ladies being hired and the DEI positions are going to
come back to that. Nikola Willis has today announced the
government will make its first withdrawal from the super Fund,
first ever in twenty twenty eight with us now as
Brad Olson Inframetric's principal economist, Hey Brad good evening now.
Last year the projection was that the first would first

(01:13:37):
dip into it in twenty thirty three. So why has
this come forward by five years?

Speaker 27 (01:13:42):
Well, effectively it looks like the government doesn't need to
contribute quite as much into the future, and that as
soon as the model shows that there's not a contribution
to be made, that's effectively when the withdrawal starts to happen. Now,
all of this is not really a government choice. This
has laid out in legislation passed back in two thousan one,
I believe as the super Fund was coming in. So

(01:14:03):
this isn't, you know, the government of the day deciding
they're going to do one thing or another. This is
very much just the mathematics of it. But what it
suggests as well is that obviously we are getting closer
and closer to that time where the model shows that
actually the cost of the New Zealand super Scheme is large,
clearly and it needs to start to get a bit
of help from the super Fund to smooth that over generations.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Oh so this is an indication of us having hit
some sort of a threshold with how much we're paying
in pensions, is it?

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
Well, that's in my view, that's part of it.

Speaker 27 (01:14:33):
I mean, that's also looking. I mean that the complicated
formula that goes into it looks at a whole range
of things the cost of the Super scheme into the future,
what our economic growth is likely to be, like, what
the cost of future outgoings from the scheme and everything
will be.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Yeah, but it does.

Speaker 27 (01:14:47):
I mean, we know over time that New Zealand Super
is starting to cost us more and more as a
proportion of GDP. We know that in the upcoming budget,
New Zealand Super is going to be a larger line
item than the entire education budget. I mean it's time
and time again that these costs are coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
So it does hilight.

Speaker 27 (01:15:04):
There's a challenge, and that is also what the Super
scheme was designed to do. Over time that fund would
help smooth just how big that cost was going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Okay, now, did you get any kind of a clearer
picture as to what is going to happen to key
we Saver in the budget?

Speaker 27 (01:15:19):
Look, I don't think the Finance Minister's given too much
away today apart from saying that KEII Saver was and focus.
I mean, I think you spoke to her a week
or two back about the potential for the contributions that
government makes to top up KEI we savers. You know,
might be under a bit of pressure. The Finance Minister
won't go anywhere near answering that. And the lead up
to Budget Day I wonder as well though particularly the

(01:15:41):
focus might well be maybe that conversation, but also potentially
increasing the minimum contribution rates over time, so a bit
more targeted from the government in terms of the contributions
that they give back, but also lifting those contributions like
Australia has done. That would help people save more over time.
Some potentials in the mix. But put it this way,

(01:16:02):
can we say there also social investment looking like a
real key focus for the government. Limited amount of money
they've got to play with means they need to get
best bang for buck.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Hey, why is the New Zealand initiative not allowed into
the budget lockup?

Speaker 27 (01:16:14):
But you are, Oh, I mean that's a question for
Treasury as to who they choose who gets in. I
mean that seems to be a little bit of a
who's in who's out at the moment. Well, I mean
we've put our application in as we've done for coming
up well over a decade now at Infometrics. I mean
we all provide different insights and views, you know that.

(01:16:36):
Really it's a question for Treasury and I think again
It seems odd that these organizations have been allowed to
apply but not told until a week out from budget
that they're not allowed to go in. I would have
thought they might have been told right at the start, look,
don't even apply because you're not in the criteria. Letting
them apply and then letting them down a week out
very very odd.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Yeah, well, I'm glad you're there, Brad brad Olson infometrics
principle economists. Okay, Heather, I'll tell you who comes to mind.
Read the DEI hires the navy captain of the captain
of the Manawinui. That's the one who sunk the boat,
by the way, Heather, Margie Upper, great example of a
DEI higher. Now I'm not gonna lie. I had exactly
the same thought this morning as Rick. In fact, so

(01:17:14):
did my husband quite independently. He said, was that one's
name who was running the house in New Zealand? I
was like, oh, yeah, Margie. And I thought about her too.
I thought, yeah, now she was hired because she was
a lady, wasn't she. There's a load of people who
were hired, especially under the last government, and you do
look at them and you go, were you only hired
because you're a lady, because you actually suck at that job. Now,
this is why I hate the DEI stuff because I

(01:17:38):
feel like it casts a pall over all of us
who are women right, who have taken positions. Maybe no,
I am the first woman to be the host of
the drive show on news Talk ZB okay, so immediately
I was like, ah, Yep, here we go. Yep, they're
gonna think that about me, and I hate that. I
hate that anybody think because because there are really really

(01:17:59):
smart women out there. For example, I mean, you could
use as an example, just Nikola willis right, she's smart
that you name somebody else in the National Party who
would be a more capable finance minister than Nicholaoud. She's
perfectly capable, entitled to do that job. But everybody's like,
oh did she get it because she's a later. That's
not fair. And so that's why I think these DEI
things need to be scrapped, because actually I would like

(01:18:21):
to see I would like all young women who are
growing up to think that the women ahead of them
got those jobs because they're smart, not because they were
being giving Nobody was giving them a favor, And I'd
also like them to think that they will be able
to get jobs, not because they're going to get a
hand up, but because they will earn it and can
earn it. So this thing of having these I think

(01:18:41):
it just makes everybody wonder why we all got the jobs,
and that's not good for anybody. So I'm very very
much behind Judith Collins scrapping at all and if this
is flying a kite, as I said earlier, she wants
to test the water as well, happy to support it
until she changes. At six twenty two, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Dogs V coming up twenty five pas seics. Oh by
the way, listen, a man has just been arrested over
in the UK for that fire bomb attack on the
Prime Minister's home in North London and de Brady will
be with us in about twenty minutes on that. With
us right now is Jamie McKay, Host of the Country.
Hey Jamie, good evening, Heather, Now, what did you make
of Bremworth deciding to do the synthetic carpets again.

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
Well, it hasn't probably gone down well with some farmers,
but I think if you look at it from a distance,
it's probably a pragmatic decision. So they've reversed their wall
only policy and they're now going to start making synthetic
carpets as well. Now they stopped producing synthetic carpets back
in twenty twenty in favor of the wall only policy.

(01:19:51):
But there's been a recent shakeup on the board. You
might remember that Rob Hewitt, the new chair, ditched the
old board. He's the chair of Everything in New Zealand,
formerly Silver Firm, Farms and Farmlands. But he did it
off the back of falling revenue. The chief executive, by
the way, he was a victim. He stepped down recently
after four years, a guy by the name of Greg Smith.

(01:20:12):
So revenue fell from one hundred and fifty million to
eighty million in the space of six years. I guess
they had to do something that Hewitt said the decision
to stop selling synthetic carpets in favor of wool only
products had not resulted in improved sales, while operating costs
had still remained high. He said not having synthetics in

(01:20:34):
their portfolio actually made things more difficult because their customers
wanted to sample both synthetics and wool and they, says said,
we need to spread our costs across the wider base,
and our customers are clearly looking for a synthetic product, okay.
And he also said having a complete portfolio ie synthetics

(01:20:54):
and wool will actually help them grow their wall product sales.
I hope so federated is not surprisingly Meet and Wall
chair Toby Williams said the wall industry was teating teetering
and this would be another knock for farmer confidence. He
said it was disappointing but understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, I mean because it's market reality, isn't it. But
how embarrassing for Brimworth because remember that campaign that they launched.
It was just so harsh about synthetic carpets and now
they're doing them again.

Speaker 8 (01:21:20):
Well they've done a bit of a backflip. I mean
everyone's doing these days, look at Trump and his tariffs.
But look the reality of it is, as much as
we want to use wall carpets and the government have
been a champion of that in there in their buildings,
some people don't want wall carpets. They want the cheaper
synthetic option, which may have some advantages. In an ideal world,

(01:21:43):
we would all we would we would all choose wall carpets,
but ultimately the market will decide.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Yeah, brilliant, Jamie. It's good to talk to you, as
always talk to you in a couple of days. Jimmy McKay,
Host of the Country. By the way, there is an
interesting conspiracy theory about Emmanuel Macron going around in his cocaine.
So it happened on the train to Kiev. He's sitting
at a table with a desk with Kirstarma and the
new German Chancellor, and just before they're getting ready for
a photo, and just before a photo was taken, he

(01:22:10):
reaches over and grabs something and hides it. And the
Russian trolls were like, look, it's a bag of cocaine
and it's a little white thing. But unfortunately for them
it's quite clearly not it is. I mean, it'd be
very exciting, but it was actually just a tissue which
he'd used to blow his nose. So I think it's
fair that he tried to hide it for the photo,
don't you think headlines next.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Oh, aren't you. I need you Olga h.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
Need.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
It's beautiful. Oh everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 16 (01:22:51):
D be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Jesus when they have you joined the dots. Yet the
consumer won't pay more for sustainable That goes for everything
net zero being pushed on farmers. Sarah, I totally agree
with you. I've said this for the longest time. You know,
when they say, oh, our customers want it, they want

(01:23:12):
us to do everything so sustainable and it's got to
be climate friendly. But BS no that the customer doesn't care.
I don't know what that customer is. If it's Nestle,
it's a different kind of thing we're talking about all together.
But as in me and you buying our chocolate down
the supermarket, we don't care. We just go for the
thing that's the cheapest, taste, the best, looks, the best,
whatever it is that we're trying to buy. Listen quick,
heads up Auckland War Memorial. There is more this is

(01:23:34):
the museum. Sorry, more as bestos that has been detected there.
So it's pretty much everywhere. It was first it was
just in one little spot. Now it's everywhere. So the
whole thing is closed, so that I don't know when
they're going to reopen, as if you're planning a trip
to the museum, not for a little while. Are you
going to be allowed into the earthquake house twenty four
away from seven? So it turns out that the IID
crackdown on the overseas student loan defaults is bearing fruit.

(01:23:57):
IID has collected more than two hundred million dollars in
student life repayments in the past nine months, and that
represents a forty three percent increase on the same period
the previous year. Deloitte tax partner Robin Walker is with
me on this. Hey, Robin, Hi, you surprised at how
much they've managed to rake in.

Speaker 28 (01:24:14):
I think there's definitely plenty to be collected from overseas.
So it is good to see that the investment that
ID has made an increasing their focus on this area
is actually paying dividends in terms of that increase in collections.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
What does this tell us? What do you reckon this
is down to? Is this down to increased resources for
IID or more direction for IID.

Speaker 28 (01:24:37):
I think it's a bit of both, right. So in
budget last year, IOD was allocated I think twenty nine
million dollars a year for the next four years to
increase their audit activity and that was split across that
was to be split across general audit work and also
specifically in.

Speaker 26 (01:24:53):
Relation to student loan borrowers.

Speaker 28 (01:24:56):
So what they said last year was that they actually
increased their FTEs working on student loans from twenty to
forty five, so more than double the number of people
focusing on this. So I think they will have really
ramped up their efforts to contact people to just give
them a bit of a nudge along to say, hey,
we know you're not in New Zealand and we know

(01:25:18):
you are us money and we want you to start
making some repayments become compliant.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Again, does it pay for itself? Like the amount that's
being put the extra funding that's been put in to
actually beef up this team, is they are collecting much
more than we're funding them.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 28 (01:25:35):
So normally on your when Iody puts more money into audits,
the return is around eight to nine dollars per dollar
put in. So I haven't done the math on this
particular one, but it's definitely proving to be worthwhile.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Now, Robin, I am so desperate to believe that this
represents a change in attitude towards how much we respect
the tax payer, because historically we have just been so
frivolous with money, right, loans like the COVID small business
loans just given out unsecured. Does this mean what we're
seeing here that we are prepared to be more respectful
towards it or am I just hoping too much?

Speaker 28 (01:26:11):
Well, this is more about collecting the money that people. Oh,
so obviously it's great for people to get an education,
and the student loan facilitates people being able to do that.
And obviously we've got this real incentive for people to
stay in New Zealand after they finish they're studying, because
if they stay here then it's interest free. But as
soon as you leave New Zealand, you suddenly start incurring interest.

(01:26:36):
But the issue there is that it's it's a lot
harder for you know, New Zealand to get its claws
on those repayments as soon as somebody leaves New Zealand.
And there's various statistics that are available, but it's quite
it's quite telling that what IDY has available. Generally New
Zealand based borrowers are ninety five percent compliant, but overseas

(01:27:00):
borrowers the compliance varies. Like back in twenty twelve when
the statistics started, about fifty percent of people were consistently compliant,
and then it dropped down, and I think the lowest
I've seen is twenty twenty three, it was nineteen percent
first were compliant and at the moment it's only thirty
thirty percent of people are compliant as of the end
of twenty twenty four. So yeah, there's definitely a lot

(01:27:23):
of people overseas that could start repaying more of their loans.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Interesting. Hey, Robin, always good to talk to you. Thank
you so much, Robin Walker Deluyte.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Tax partner Heather duel Cellen pull.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Follow up, Heather, you remind people to pay money and
they will pay money. Fairpoint.

Speaker 20 (01:27:38):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I heard Mike the other day banging on about how
we just report absolutely everything in the media that a
New Zealand does kind of without any judgment. Had the
point that he was trying to make is e New
Zealand basically breathe and we go oh, my gosh, Air
New Zealand breathed. They go, we've got a uniform. We go, oh,
they've got a uniform, you know, like they literally can
do anything. Well, ah, let's report it. Well I've come

(01:27:59):
to realiz he's bang on, because today I opened the
papers and there was a story Air New Zealand plans
Elite plus frequent Flyer tier new exclusive lounge at Auckland Airport.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
I thought, what on didn't I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Already know that that they were going to do this?
I think I knew that they were going to do
this lounge, so I googled it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Oh look story.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
February five this year, Air New Zealand has confirmed its
investigating a new luxury lounge for frequent flyers eighth of
May this year. What's another one? One of the perks
will include access to the new International Elite Lounge at Auckland.
Thirteenth of April last year, Air New Zealand is set
to introduce a new top tier. The new tier is

(01:28:43):
likely to be above elite. It will include extra perks.
One of those perks being considered as a new Elite lounge.
The first of March last year, Air New Zealand is
asking members what they want, and one of the proposals
is an Elite Air New Zealand lounge. Thirtieth of August
twenty twenty two, a significant shakeup of the New Zealand's

(01:29:04):
airpoint scheme is being considered on which will deliver more
perks for frequent flyers. Some of the benefits being considered
include separate lounges for elite members. So we've literally been
reporting on this for nearly three years now through I
know listen to the media. I know that there's another

(01:29:25):
lounge coming. I've read about it now at nauseum and
some of these stories are written by the same person.
Brooks Saban just keeps on writing about this lounge. It's
just because he's the travel writer a stuff. It's like,
did you know there's a new lounge coming? And I go, oh, look,
click next time. He's always up to spend three months
old on let's write it. There's another lounge coming. I go, oh,
well click, oh yeah, you can leave another three months.

(01:29:47):
You could write the same. Basically, he just needs a
rotation of that. This week he can write about the uniform.
Next week he can write about the lounge. Next week
he can write about the food. Do they just rotate it?
Just keep going on a rotation. Click on it every
single time. This is what I'm gonna do. Okay, next time,
this is what I'm gonna do next time. There is
any New Zealand story that's about some cool new thing

(01:30:11):
they've done, like the cassava chips or biggest screens or
like herring bone setting, I don't care what the hell
it is. Whatever. If it's something that's good for a
New Zealand, I'm not clicking on it. I'm gonna look
at them and nap. I'm not rewarding that with a click,
because I know I already know everything in it. Because
how many blinking stories did I just tell you about lounges?
Goodness me? How right is Mike on that seventeen away

(01:30:31):
from seven?

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Hey, Heather, did you know that there is going to
be a new n New Zealand luxury lounge? Oh my gosh,
call the Herald right now. Call the Herald before they
print the papers. They need to put that on the
front page. Fourteen away from seven end. Brady UK correspondent
with US now.

Speaker 18 (01:31:00):
And hey Hea, they're great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
What do we know about this blog? Who's been arrested?
Read the fire bombing.

Speaker 18 (01:31:06):
So he's twenty one years old and in the past
half hour he has been arrested. Counter terror police involved
in this because the properties that were attacked are linked
to the Prime Minister. Now clearly everyone knows kir Starmer
lives at number ten Downing Street, London. That was not
the address that was initially attacked. It was an arsonal attempt.
Basically the porch the front door of what was the

(01:31:29):
Starmer family residence in North London place called Kentish Town.
It's about a four million dollar property. The Starmers lived
there clearly before they moved into Downing Street, and he
won the election last July. So we now learned that
there were three fire incidents in four days last week,
one at that property which the Starmers have let out.
There is another property apartment in the same area of

(01:31:53):
North London the Ker Starmer owns. There was a suspicious
fire there too. Nobody hurt and not a huge amount
of DAMA and a vehicle park in the street which
is linked to the Starmer family was also the subject
of an arson attempt, so counter terror police were called
in and a twenty one year old man right now
is in police custody in London, all.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Right, And I suppose we're all going to be watching
to see what the motivation here was. What is going
on with this clamp down on immigration, because it feels
to me in it if this is coming from the Tories,
it would feel like the Breden battter, but it feels
weird coming from a labor prime minister.

Speaker 18 (01:32:27):
It does feel very strange because a lot of people
would say that labor in the certainly under Blair years,
drove immigration into the UK and they felt that this
was benefiting the economy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Clearly now it is not.

Speaker 18 (01:32:38):
It is a big talking point on the doorsteps and
I think a lot of labor politicians are feeling the
heat because of really poor council results in those elections
across England last week. And who's benefiting from all of this.
Nigel Farage and Reform UK. Now he has been anti
immigration from day one. He came up with the slogan
take back control of our body orders, which it's no coincidence.

(01:33:02):
In Starmar's speech yesterday he used that exact phrase. So
they're tightening everything up. If you come to the UK
it will be ten years before you can apply for citizenship.
Currently it's five. They're going to make a ten and
they're clamping down on everything. Student visas in particular, there
is a feeling that that system has been absolutely abused

(01:33:24):
by people coming to the UK coming, not even attending courses,
disappearing others who do stay. Then bringing family members in
immigration is going to be a big talking point for
a long time in the UK. Starmer has set his
stall out and he said, I promise you I will
bring it down. If he doesn't, he won't be back
in Downing Street in four years time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Interesting, helly, listen, have you been in Warsaw?

Speaker 10 (01:33:45):
Have you?

Speaker 18 (01:33:47):
I'm still here, Yeah, I'm here. We're filming my TV
show this week because there is a huge presidential election
first round voting this weekend across Poland and it's absolutely
fascinating what's going on. So the Prime Minister is Donald
Tusk and you'll be seeing a lot more of him
around Europe, you know, stepping up. He's with Starmer and
Macron and trying to sort out peace in Ukraine. There's

(01:34:09):
so much going on Poland. The economy is booming, three
point two percent growth predicted this year. They're spending a
lot of money on defense. They're spending nearly five percent
of GDP on defense because they're very worried about Russia
and this presidential election this weekend. The government are warning
of unprecedented attempts by Russia at election interference. So it's

(01:34:31):
all going on in Poland.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Interesting stuff. Hey, Inda, thanks very much, really appreciate it.
Into Brady UK Corrispondan listen. I've just something's going on
with Rico Yuan his face and I don't know what
it is. So he was just on the TV news.
I've got the TV news on in the studio. Yeah,
I know, it's cool. We're we've got three three TVs.
How cool are we? Anyway, So I was watching him

(01:34:54):
on the TV one news. Is just who was giving
a bit of a press conference there and some he
looks different and I don't know what it is he's
got himself. It could be it could be that he's
got a very nice haircut because if you know that
all blacks sometimes have like the world's worst haircuts, mullets
and all kinds of weird things going on, because obviously
I don't know what, but that a trend will sweep
through the all blacks and they all look hideous. But

(01:35:16):
he's got himself a really nice haircut, the kind of
haircut that you'd be happy for your son to have.
Looks decent but also a bit jazzy. But then also
he's got himself like a little tight beard, you know,
like nothing too much, just a little bit of stubble there.
And it could be that it could be that the
combo of a nice little tightly cut beard, nice little
haircuts made him look very handsome. It may be that

(01:35:37):
it may also be that every time I see Rico Yuani,
he's got a mouth guard in his face, right, so
when he's playing rugby, so I've got used to seeing
him look a bit weird with a mouth garden. So
when I see him without a mouthcut, I'm always very handsome. Actually,
it could be all of that, but it also could
be that something else has happened, like maybe some orthodontic
work or a nose job or something, and I don't
know what it is. And if you do know what's

(01:35:57):
gone on with Rico Yuani that his face looks different
to me, can you please let me know nine two,
nine two. You've got nine minutes before the show is over.
Otherwise I have to ask Darcy and then we'll have
to talk about it Tomorrow's Darcy will surely know. Darsie
could probably ask some questions for me, So anyway, yeah,
sort that out for me. Something has just come out
of the justice system over in Northland. Gandalf has been charged. Now, Gandalf,

(01:36:19):
if you don't know, is what probably i'd say probably
the country's most famous green theory. And a green theory
is somebody who grows marijuana to supply other people who
need it for pain, right, so it's like an assistance
thing rather than for you to just get stoned on.
He has been charged for supplying cannabis oil and he

(01:36:42):
has appeared in court. He's pleaded not guilty. He has
elected a trial by a jury and he faces fourteen
years imprisonment. Now I'm quite fascinated by this because what
I want to know is whether Gandalf has actually been
doing some other stuff, like it's not just you know,
the altruist that we think he is as something else
going on here, or are the cops actually genuinely spending

(01:37:03):
their time cracking down on green fairies. So I'll keep
an eye on that coll cas, because that would not
be cool. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
I tried to call Darcy on his phone to ask
him what happened to Rico's face, but he hasn't answered
his phone. His phone must be and I'll be completely
honest with you, so I don't have an answer, and
that's entirely my fault, because I could have if I
wanted to just get up out of my chair. Stop
being a lazy guy, get up out of my chair
and walk. What do you reckon? The distances ants to
Darcy's desk like ten mets?

Speaker 11 (01:37:40):
Oh yeah, ten meters at most. That's the thing is Heather.

Speaker 29 (01:37:43):
For people listening at home, Heather is a chronic for
this and that while I'll be sitting even close in that,
I'll be sitting five five meters away and my phone
will ring and it'll be Heather. Because you can't be
bothered to get up and open two doors. It's quite amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Does this become a like do you people talk about this?

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
I just talked about it to the radio audience there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
But the Germans smiling at me like she thinks this.

Speaker 11 (01:38:03):
No wond I have not discussed this with Laura at all?

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Is this a problem, Laura? I thought it was just
being efficient.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
I do do this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Of course I do this to you because I have
a cell phone. I'm do you know what, I'm using
the same cell phone to call you as I'm using
to call ants over there.

Speaker 11 (01:38:17):
But to be fair as well, listeners, Heather is very
busy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
That's how I myself.

Speaker 11 (01:38:24):
And doing research and all that sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
I'm talking to too many people then around out of time,
but also ants like why would you walk five meters? When?
Why would you not reward the geniuses that have made
the iPhone by using the iPhone? Also?

Speaker 10 (01:38:38):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Else? Though, this is why I'm doing it at the moment,
especially is because I went to the gym yesterday, didn't
I to a pump class? Because I was told maybe
it's a good idea to incorporate a little bit of
strength training at your age, Heather, because you're getting on now, right.
So I went into the pump class and it's the
first time and I don't do pump classes because I
don't like doing squats and lunges because it's hideous. So

(01:38:59):
I did them and it's the first time I've done
it in four years, and I am paying for it. Mate,
it's it's really hard to walk.

Speaker 11 (01:39:08):
Well, there you go a couple of five.

Speaker 25 (01:39:10):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
You don't know what I'm talking about, do you, because
you wouldn't have been a hell have you ever done
a squat in your life?

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:39:16):
I've done squats?

Speaker 20 (01:39:17):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (01:39:17):
Have you?

Speaker 15 (01:39:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:39:17):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Okay, because I wouldn't know that by the size of
your lex.

Speaker 29 (01:39:20):
You No, well, I wouldn't say I have done a
lot of squats, or I wouldn't wouldn't have done any. Recently,
Vogue to play us out by Madonna. So the bio
pic of Madonna is like a rumor that's been flying
flying around Hollywood for ages because apparently Madonna would really
like to make one, but she wants to write and
direct it, so no studio wants to really do it
because they'd rather get an actual writer and director with

(01:39:41):
a bit of traitrical than her to do it. But
apparently Netflix have picked up and Netflix are gonna are
going to do it, but it's going to be rather
than a film, it's going to be a limited TV
series and Sean Levy, who is a director, has been
attached to it. So maybe Madonna has compromised on the
directing side of things, but we don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
It's all still fun.

Speaker 8 (01:39:56):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Netflix is really good at picking like random people to
do documentaries. I remember how really well for Harry and Meghan.

Speaker 11 (01:40:03):
Oh yes, yeah, the talent selection at Netflix top notch.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Really awesome, mattered, Okay, anyway, listen, So it's tomorrow's job
to find out what's going on with Bill Rickins. It's
because Rico cut off as Ratsdale and that's made him.

Speaker 11 (01:40:15):
Look I'll email Darcy him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
I'm just going to walk past a minute. I'm just
kidding it on it hurts, I don't I'm going to
walk to Darcy and I'll come back and by the
time I get back and wear my show tomorrow see then.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
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