Full Show Podcast: 13 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talk zaid.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Be good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
We're going to speak to Dennis Or'reiley, who's a lifetime
Black Power member, about the gang's reaction to the upcoming
Gang Patch band and all of the cops meetings and stuff.
David Seymour on the Hea Coy today and the school's
excusing kids to be able to join it, and Sheeheart

(00:32):
is breaking up after forty years. We have a chat
to the lead singer, John too Good.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Heather Duplessy Ellen on this he koy.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I've actually been surprised at the level of anger that
I've heard expressed about the thing and about the fact
that it crossed the Harbor Bridge today, and I don't
think it's a good thing for the particular cause, and
the particular cause, of course, is to oppose the Treaty
Principles Bill. Yesterday, completely out of the blue, I got
an email from a mum that I know complaining about
the impact that we'll have on kids trying to get
to the NCEA exams on time. Today, I bumped into

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someone furious, just absolutely furious about the timing, completely unexpected.
Didn't expect it from this person at all, furious about
the timing because it was crossing the Harbor Bridge at
rush hour. And then someone in my family is raging
about it as well on the regular Now, to be
fair to these people, this is quite understandable anger because
basically what the cross at is that this protest feels

(01:24):
like it is designed to cause disruption. I mean, there's
always the outside chance that the organizers just whoops, just
plan something for mourning traffic. I doubt that very much
that it was an accident. These people have generally proved
to be reasonably smart in what they do. More likely
it's designed to cause disruption. And so what happened is
to facilitate the he coy today, authorities had to close

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two lanes on the Harbor Bridge and our biggest city
from eight in the morning peak morning traffic time. Now,
that will have messed up the start of the day
for thousands of people coming in from the north Shore.
If these guys doing the he coy were decent to
the people of Auckland, you know, people just trying to
do their jobs, largely uninvolved in politics, trying to do
the jobs trying to get the kids to school. They

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would have shifted their walk time over the Harbor Bridge
back by a couple of hours, maybe aimed a little
closer to midday, by which time most people will already
be in the office or you know, have their kids
at the NCAA exams and won't have their day messed around.
It's not as if the heikoy would lose media attention
because it caused less disruption, would it. I mean, they
are already all over all of the online news feeds,

(02:27):
are being covered by radio shows like ours today that
will be all over the TV news for multiple stories
undoubtedly tonight. Because the protest is big, and because it
is about a very contentious issue, being the Treaty Principals Bill.
These guys did not have to muck auckland Is around
to get the kind of coverage that they probably want
to get now. Ultimately, I don't think this is a
smart move from them, just like I don't think it's

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a smart move to have gang members joining the he
coy with their patches on display just days out from
the gang patch band which indicates that people hate seeing
these patches there. They are just wandering down with the hecoy.
All this is going to do is frustrate Middle New
Zealand and make Middle New Zealand more sympathetic to the
other side, because that is how politics works nowadays. We
pick sides, we don't like that side, we go to

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the other side. That's generally how it works. So all
they've done is have just sent people to the other side.
That's ultimately an own goal, because the only hope that
David Seymour has for his bill at the moment is
that it becomes so popular that it has to survive,
that it has to be rescued, that the Nats change
their mind on killing it, and this hikoy I reckon
will not have hurt his chances at all. So listen
to people planning future protests. Try to not cause disruption

(03:31):
on purpose, because that way the rest of us are
more likely to be sympathetic to your cause, not less. Ever,
duplan nine two nine two is the text number standard
text fees apply now onto something else altogether. And by
the way, happy with your thoughts on it, happy to
hear what's happened today. The government's writing up rules for
online casino operators. These guys are currently unregulated in the country.

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Any company offering online gambling in New Zealand will have
to have a license, and those who operate without one
could be punished with a fine of up to five
million dollars. They are also the US usual age restrictions
in play and so on. Brook Van Belden is the
Internal affairsman to stand with us. Now, Hey, Brook, Hey, Heather, Now,
what are you trying to do. Are you trying to
regulate existing online gamblers who are overseas or are you
trying to create a framework to regulate online gamblers based

(04:15):
here in New Zealand who might start up.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Oh, we're trying to do a little bit of both.
So at the moment it's a bit of a wild
West out there with online casino gambling. There's around a
couple of thousand online platforms that kiwis could go to
at any time. They can't advertise in New Zealand. But
the important thing here is all of that money that's
generated is going overseas, so they're getting the benefits, but

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we're getting all the risks, We're getting all the harm.
So what we're doing is regulating that market and saying, look,
we do want to have harmonimization standards so that there
might be up to fifteen licensed operators that can play
in New Zealand. But if you're one of those New
Zealanders who does want to play, you actually know that
these are safe services to using. You can get your

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money and your withdrawals. We know that the advertising that
they'll be using will be safe for children. But importantly,
we are one of the last countries in the OECD
to be regulating this type of market, so we seem
to be at the moment not getting any of the
tax benefit, but just getting all the risk of problem gambling.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Why are you only going for fifteen licenses?

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Well, what we're doing here is striking a reasonable balance
between having a competitive market where it's not just one
or two or a monopoly. So we have competition in
the market, but we're also restricting it enough so that
when we do have advertising and we have a regulator
looking after this market, it's not so overwhelming for the
regulator that.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
It just.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Or hundreds and hundreds. We'd end up with one of
the largest regulators in the country. And I don't think
that's good for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Now how are you going to get have you come
up with a smart way to figure out whether someone
is old enough to be gambling?

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well, under our current gambling laws is a range of
different ages and one of the important things here is
that we're aligning with the age of eighteen, which is
pretty standard.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
How do you go how do these guys operating the
site know that I am actually over eighteen?

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Well, that'll be what the regulator will be figuring out.
When you've got these people going for their license or
bidding to get one of the licenses to be a
provider in New Zealand, they'll need to work with de
IA before they get that license to ensure that they
have age verification system that DIA is happy with. But
it's not something new, it's something that casino games currently

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already do and is quite commonly used across the rest
of the.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Old casino games.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Casino games are random number generated games that are for
a profit, so very different for you know, if you're
just sitting at a home, you know, with your own
fake little money account playing with your friends. This is
actually to derive a profit.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
And how do casino games verify your age.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Well, at the moment, anyone who walks into a casino.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Online it's not an online thing. This is actually going
into a casino.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Well at the moment, other countries have age verification for
online games and de i A has been working and
how do they do it?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
How do they do it? Brook?

Speaker 5 (07:33):
I don't think anyone would expect me to be But
what I do know is that there are systems around
the world.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
The reason to allow this to this is fundamental to
this working, isn't it. It is fundamental to it working
that we know that the people who are actually gambling
are old enough to be gambling. So you can't you
can't sort of like wave this one through without knowing right,
You're gonna have to nut this one out, aren't you.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
No. I think what's really important here is, at the moment,
anybody can go online play thousands of different regulated games
in New Zealand. It is a bit of a wild West.
We're saying, Look, if you want to be one of
these reputable licensed operators, there'll be fifteen or up to
fifteen in New Zealand. Yeah, you need to have an
age verification system that DIA as the regulator, believes is

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accurate and will actually protect children from not going on
to those websites if they can't share the IA of that, Yeah,
they won't get a license. Okay, It's much better than
the current system that we are operating under.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Now, totally. I just I'm slightly I'm starting to get
frustrated by us not knowing the details of these kinds
of things. But I get that we've got a way
to go. So anyway, we'll see what they come up with. Brook,
Thank you, I appreciate it, brookvan Velden, the Internal Affairs Minister.
What I'm getting to is kind of the end of
my wik with us US not having yet age verification

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tools online because Yaksa can right. Actually, it is possible
to actually do this. It's just whether we want to
do it. It's just a bit of a pain in
the butt, frankly. Anyway, we're probably gonna have to. Trump's
made a bunch of appointments in the last few hours.
Elon Musk is probably the most interesting one, isn't it so.
Elon Musk has been appointed to lead a new organization
to drive government efficiency, quite aptly named it the Government

(09:10):
the Department of Government Efficiency, which will be known as
doge for short, which may possibly be a reference to
the cryptocurrency doge coin, which Musk quite likes. And I
think that's very clever that that little easter egg buried.
And now I rang you through some more of the
quite wacky appointments in a minute sixteen past four, Who
will take the.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
White House results and analysis of the US election?

Speaker 6 (09:33):
On?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news talk.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Said be.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
The sport with the new tab app downloaded today, Riten
bed responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Darcy water Grave Sports talkhoasters with me right now, Hey, Dust,
we go in.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
So the boost it's not you.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm not making that noise at you. I'm making that
noise at what is his name?

Speaker 7 (09:58):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Richard?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Richard wrote the opinion piece. Okay, so Richard's written an
opinion piece and it says why the Blues can hold
three all blacks first fives while other Super Rugby teams
have none, and then it starts with New Zealand Rugby
did not approach the Blues to ask whether they would
consider relinquishing one of their three all Blacks first eights
to play for Super Rugby Pacific teams.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Because they don't interfere it. They never had, so they're
not going to.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Why write an opinion piece about New Zealand rugby not
doing something that the rules don't let them do.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
What upsets that?

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Maybe the Crusaders had to bring over James O'Connor to
help their first five eighth stocks because they haven't got
very many.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I'm actually excited.

Speaker 8 (10:45):
It wasn't good last year. What I really like about
this though, who was the team that used to hoard
first five stops?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
The Crusaders, thank you.

Speaker 8 (10:58):
I think that it's important and we'll talk more about
that of the evening up after seven o'clock. Chris le
Engem joining us. He's the gem of professional rugby for
n z are. Yeah, what their attitude is, how they
operate it? Do they stick their nose? And why don't they.

Speaker 10 (11:14):
Stick their nose?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Because this is we don't do this, don't we don't
do a player trading system. We don't say to Boden Barrett,
you have to go to the Crusaders.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
You used to be back in the day when it started.
We need to spread our best talent right over super rugby.
That's twenty five years ago. It's a long time ago now,
and I think it's very important that the players have
some control over where they're going, where they're playing, and
how they're playing. You look at the Melca back in
the day, right, couldn't get a shoe in the blue.
So you know what, I'm going to take control of this.

(11:45):
I'm going down to Otigo.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Bang.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Isn't all black. This stars happen. But when you look
at Auckland Well Bowden, Barrett's a fallback come first five eighth,
Harry Plumer's a second five eighth. So they play in
different persients. Stephen pirefifte, here's a fallback and a first
five eight. There are injuries, Sonique not a great deal
on the ground of first five eights, but doesn't mean

(12:08):
to say you need to spread them.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Is Richard trying to start a discussion about whether maybe
we should be spreading our talents around whether ins are
actually maybe should have a greater saying where the players are.

Speaker 8 (12:18):
We're going to talk to. I can't climb into his
head and say that. And there's also discussions around the
draft and maybe we need a draft process to make
this appear slightly more equal.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's why where Richard's going with it. I am on
board with it.

Speaker 8 (12:36):
Well, I don't know how it would operate, particularly because
these clubs aren't privately owned, so the arguments between could
be interesting. But I don't think insit are are afraid
of that. I think they just need to tread carefully
and then look at it. Look, we have players out there. First,
five eight. You're a member that over a number of
years that role was dominated by a couple of players,

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so really hard for players to come to true.

Speaker 9 (13:00):
We've got a lot of good players out there.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I appreciate you dealing with my frustration there, Darsie and
trying to I'm.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
Only doing it in the studio on a purely professional basis.
I'm not going to deal with anything outside of this.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Thank you appreciate it. Darci water Grave. You will be
back for Sports Talk at seven this evening, four twenty three.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as there'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
But here are a few more of Donald Trump's appointments.
So he's got Elon Musk running Doge. He's at the
Department of Government Deficiency. He's also decided the Ramaswami will
run it with Trump with Musk. Jeez, Honestly, I'm confusing
mask with everybody at the moment. Vivica is famous for
running against Trump and the primaries. By the way, there's
a chap called Pete. I think you pronounced it sooner, hegseth,

(13:50):
I don't know. I don't watch Fox anyway, he will
be the next Defense secretary.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
The reason I say I don't watch foxes because this
guy is most famous for being an army veteran, former
head of two advocacy groups for military veterans, and a
Fox News host. So it finally came around and did.
One of the Fox hosts has benefited out of this.
He's also appointed this is Donald Trump as golf buddy
to be his special envoy to the Middle East. The
guy's name is Steve. Steve Whitkoff, real estate developer, met

(14:17):
Trump in nineteen eighty six after they did a business
transaction and famously bought Trump a sandwich because Trump didn't
have any cash with him at the time, which surprises
absolutely no one. This guy actually is such a good
golfing body of a buddy of Donald Trump's. He was
with Donald Trump. Remember when the assassin was lying in
wait in the bushes and then they managed to get
him and he never actually managed to complete the assassination.
This is the chap who was golfing with Donald Trump.

(14:38):
So there you go. We're going to talk to Dan
Mitchinson about it when he's with us in twelve minutes time.
Hither I feel the same when Wellington has protests some
I'm a tradesman, I run a business. Get out of
the way, angry face. Heither, the very essence of protest
is to cause disruption. How else do you get your
voice heard? Look fair enough? If that's I mean, if
that is the kind of protest that you want to do,
is to just annoy everybody else, go for your life.

(14:59):
But this bill rests on its popularity or otherwise. So
this feels like an own goal, doesn't it. It doesn't
feel like it's a smart move. Coldplay, which one's a
sense yellow yellow? This is the one that made them famous.
A cold Play Tonight here we're going to be playing
Coldplay songs the whole show through. Headline's next, all the

(15:25):
things that.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Hard questions.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's a strong opinion, Heather Duper see Allen Drive with
One New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talk as it.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Bess right.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
We're gonna have David seem Are with us just half
the five o'clock because I'm obviously in reaction to the
heat coy, but also as the Associate Education minist so
I'm quite keen to know what he and I could
pretty much predict it for you won't be stoked. There
is an email from a school to students families doing
the rounds on social media at the moment, and the
email says that the school supports the ongoing he cooy

(16:11):
and any student who attends the hikoy with their parents
will have their appsince marked as justified, which is kind
of not what the government is trying to do with truancy.
And also I think the act Party is taking the
line on this that these are educators forcing their opinions,
their political opinions on students who have chat to David
about that on verifying age right for if you want

(16:33):
to go on the gambling sites and stuff like that.
Blessed in in a text saying hither, for example, the
Department of Internal Affairs manages the real need digital identity
and New zeill now real me. You'll know if you've
got to, if you've ever had to do anything with
ID or any you go on there verify yet, yeah, yeah,
identity and then that's you forever in the government system.
The real me identity is simply verified in person at

(16:55):
the AA, for instance. Then you've got a verified digital
online identity. It's simple, basic, already business as usual in
New Zealand. So there you go. You could simply do that.
The you go go into the AA, show them your
driver's license. They go, yep, Heather's over eighteen. She can
go on porn websites. She can go on gambling websites,
she can open a Facebook account. You can do all
those things. She's old enough to do it, and then

(17:16):
you have permission to do that. Simple, it's like a token.
That's all you need to do. Why on earth we
aren't doing this, I have no idea. Twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the world wires on youth talks. It'd be drive now.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Israel has failed to meet the deadline set by the
US Secretary of State Anthony Blinkin to allow more aid
and supplies into Gaza. So far, the US government hasn't
taken any action in response to Israel missing the deadline.
Here's a spokesperson for the State Department.

Speaker 11 (17:41):
We at this time have not made an assessment that
the Israelis are in violation of US law. I would
not view it as giving them a pass because no
one is up here. Certainly, I'm not saying that the
situation in Gaza or the humanitarian circumstances are rosy.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Albow has revealed some of his details about his phone
call with Donald Trump last week, and guess what they did.
Talk about tariffs.

Speaker 12 (18:07):
I pointed out that Australia has, or the United States
has a trade surplus with Australia, so it's in the
United States interest to trade fairly with Australia.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh Di Luxe and MS miss a trick not mentioning it.
And finally, research company Alpha Genesis still hasn't called all
the monkeys that escaped from its facility in South Carolina
last week. So of the forty three that broke out,
thirty have been recaptured, but thirteen of the fugitives are
still coming and going from the facility's outdoor areas. Just
as they please, just in and out as they please.

(18:41):
And animal rights nonprofit has been trying to get this
particular lab defunded for years. They reckon. This incident proves
Congress needs to act clearly.

Speaker 13 (18:49):
The escape has captured the attention and imagination of millions
of people around the world, has made hadlines and hopefully,
you know, we're helping Congress Texas seasly and finally takes
action to cut funding for this place.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Jan Lichendson, US corresponding with US Now. Hello, Dan, Hi, Heathy, Hey,
Elon's in. He's got his job, well he is.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
Well, you know, I don't know if it's going to
be a job or not.

Speaker 14 (19:20):
I mean, what he's going to do is he's going
to lead, along with the former GOP candidate of the
vik Ramaswami, He's going to lead the Department of Government Efficiency.
So these guys can keep their real jobs at pay
a gazillion dollars and still have influence over policy and
you know, maybe run again in four years. I mean
that's certainly for a vake. I mean, he's going to

(19:41):
keep his finger in the political pot.

Speaker 13 (19:42):
We know that.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So does it sound to you like it's not official?
I mean, the fact that they've been appointed to lead
the thing sort of suggests that they will actually be
hands on managers. But are you suggested it's more of
a consultancy role or something.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
I think so, I think it's going to be more
of a remote thing.

Speaker 14 (19:57):
I mean, I can't see these guys moving across country
to make a job that's going to pay you know,
probably one hundred thousand, maybe a couple of hundred thousand
dollars a year when they're making you know, big millions
and millions of year. But basically their job is going
to be do what mister Trump said, dismantled the government
bureaucracy of bureaucracy and slash all these regulations that are
going on, and cut wasteful expenditures and restructure a lot

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of federal agencies.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
So we've also got Mike.

Speaker 14 (20:21):
Huckabee, who they announced he ran for president of years
back for more Arkans, but UH picked to be the
ambassad Israel. I mean, he was just coming out, well
all kind of Marco Rubio, he's likely to be the
Secretary of State. Now that'll put him on track to
be the first Latino to serve in this role. So,
I mean, these are these themes were just coming out
one after another today.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
What about the Fox News host?

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Uh, yeah, this is going to be interesting.

Speaker 14 (20:44):
A guy by the name of Pete Pigsith, who is
a military veteran, a Fox News host. He's going to
be the Defense secretary. And you know, I mean, if
you watch Fox you know a little bit about him.
If you don't, uh, you're gonna learn a lot more
about him.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
I think.

Speaker 14 (20:56):
I mean, Trump says he's smart, and he's tough, and
he's a believer in America first, So I think he'll
be picking a lot more people from these you know.
I mean, we we've had people from Fox News that
have gone into to politics before, for both the Republicans
and even Democrats in the past, so this isn't a first,
but it's a it's a very high position.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Obviously, does he continue to be a Fox News host
or does he does he?

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Oh no, no, no, no, he's going to have to
give up that that position.

Speaker 14 (21:22):
Definitely what a pay cast, probably yes, probably, but he's
doing it for his country. And then after a couple
of years or whatever, when when Trump gets tired of him,
he'll he'll probably go back on the cable rounds and
you know, write a tell all book and make a
heck of a lot more money than he's making right now.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Nobody ever does anything for their country, Dan, They only
do it for their own personal their own personal ambition,
don't they.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
True.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
You see, like suddenly I know who this guy is
and I didn't know beforehand. Okay, the delay in the
sentencing over the hashmany stuff for Donald Trump, it's only
is it only delayed until November nineteen a win.

Speaker 12 (21:56):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (21:57):
Yeah, just just for the time being, for a short
of about a week or so. And this goes back
to the faults to find the business records and Stormy Daniels.
So the judge today said, okay, we're going to put
a stay on this all the deadlines five months before
he where he takes office. And this will allow mister
Trump to avoid the maximum sentence of up to four

(22:18):
years in prison. So we're going to find out what
happens in the next week or two. And you know,
this has been back and forth too, because we had
the Supreme Court over the summer said that the president
should enjoy immunity from criminal prosecution for most of the actions.
So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what this judge
decides in about a week or so.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
What's Milanio's problem with Jill Biden.

Speaker 14 (22:37):
I don't know, isn't this kind of this is kind
of interesting too, because I mean, she's not going to
the meeting tomorrow. I mean this is going to be
sort of a hand off between President Biden and mister
Trump right now. And you know Jill, I mean Biden
had authorized the FBI to snoop around, you know, in
down in Florida, and people were saying, well, you have

(22:59):
to meet Joe Biden, and Milania supposedly said no, I
don't have to.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
So this is kind of awkward.

Speaker 14 (23:03):
And now they're saying, well, the reason behind this no
show is because she's got media conflicts because of this
new book. There's this new memoir that she has out,
so she's had to turn down this offer of meeting
President Biden's wife.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Awkward, Yes, petty maybe.

Speaker 14 (23:17):
And the big scheme of things, you know, it's it's
not huge, but it's just it's very awkward.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I think, Dan, thank you very much appreciated. Dan, Mitchins
and US correspondent. Anybody get the feeling that Malaney just
wishes the circus was all over it and want to
be part of it. I think so looks like Kevin
Rudd might be in a little bit of trouble. Kevin Rudd, remember,
is formerly Prime Minister of Australia, now the Australian Ambassador
to the States. If you remember last week, I was

(23:43):
telling you that he'd had to delete some nasty posts
that he'd put on social media about Donald Trump. They'd
made in the past. And Trump he knows about these
posts because he called Kevin Rudd a nasty man anyway.
So what's happened is, elbow is it's blown up. It's
become a thing. Elbow is standing by k Rudd and
say no, no, no, his job, his job as the
ambassador to the state's absolutely safe. But then Kevin Rudd

(24:10):
tweeted congratulations to Donald Trump, and then a chap called
Dan Scavino Junior, who's an influential Trump ally retweeted Kevin
Rudd's congratulations with a gift of an hour glass, emptying
suggesting that kay Rudd has only got so much time
in the job. Left don't undon't. That's what happens when

(24:32):
you put out you should know better. What have I
said about social media in the past of your politician,
get off social media because it only is going to
cause you trouble. Here's an example sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 3 (24:47):
Barry so O per senior political correspondence with US Now, Hi, Barry,
good afternoon. All right, so that he cooy. I opened
the program saying I don't think that that's going to
be doing the Treaty Principles bills cause any harm. Because
of frustrat I did so many people. They'll just feel
more sympathetic whether.

Speaker 9 (25:02):
It's not about the Treaty Principals bill. That's what you
were told by the organizer.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Kinghi.

Speaker 9 (25:10):
The other day I heard the interview on Interestingly, he's
the son of the Maldi MP Maromino Coppa King. Yeah,
she's the Maldi MP and he's one of triplets. So
she's been a busy woman and younger.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
So hold on just a tick. So he is a
formerly a candidate for the Mary.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
Party, three three behind her on the list and the.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Son of a current Mpeper. Yeah, okay, so this is
not really a hikoy about just activating you know EWI,
it's a he coy about activating the Mary Party support
basis well well, and the protest.

Speaker 9 (25:51):
Has the co leader Rowy white to Tea emblazoned on
the side of them, along with other proud to be mold.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I just think that that's important content, right, because this
is being seen as like a rising up of the
Maori people, but it's actually not. It's a political party
getting people out very much.

Speaker 9 (26:06):
It's the Maori Party behind it, and I don't think
white to Tea would disclaim that. But look, it's interesting
because you have to say, what are they specifically protesting
about if it's not the treaty Principal's bill. Well, I
got tired up in the hikoy today when I was
going on my walk under the Harbor Bridge because they
were all gathered there with the.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
The ten.

Speaker 9 (26:34):
This probably is a good example of what the question was.
I saida to a one of them that was walking
towards me as a man covered in tattoos head to toe,
and I said, Kura, look, can you specifically tell me
what this protest is all about?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
And he said, do you speak malory And I said, well,
as you've just heard clearly, asshole, clearly not.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
And he said if off and walk on. Yeah, And
I tried to stop a number of others, but theygeous
gave me the cold shoulder and walk past. But I think,
you know, look, people who go on these protests, and
there's thousands of them, and it'll be massive. There'll be
a big gang motorcycle motorcycle gang representation. I will guarantee

(27:26):
it by the time they get to Wellington. And of
course the gangs appeaved with this government because of the
legislation that's been passed. On their patches. I saw a
couple of patches there from the Cobras today. They were
on the on the Hikui.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, I saw black Power.

Speaker 15 (27:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (27:43):
Well, they'll all be there, so you know, I would
think the police will be keeping pretty close watch on
them when they get to Wellington because there will be
a lot of people to contend with. So yeah, I
failed in my attempt to get specifically what it's all about,
but just looking at the playcard, you'd have to say
it's very much about the treaty. The principal Treaty's.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Bill, okay, which was the talk of Parliament today, wasn't it?

Speaker 9 (28:07):
It was the talk of Parliament today. I've got to
say the Prime Minister gave a pretty good indication the
government's growing tired of the White Toungi Tribunal when he
was questioned by Labour's Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 16 (28:20):
Listen is the reason why his ministers have consistently sought
to undermine the White Tanngy Tribunal without any censure from him,
even calling for its dis establishment, because the Tribunal has
brought attention to the profoundly negative impacts the Treaty Principal's
Bill as having on the Crown's relationship with Mardy.

Speaker 17 (28:40):
What I'd say to that member is that many commentators
have said, in a post Treaty settlement world, it's quite
a legitimate question to ask what the role in the
White Tangy Tribunal is going forward. That is something that
whereas a coalition and government will explorence of course, and.

Speaker 16 (28:52):
The mere introduction of the bill will according to the
White Tanngy Tribunal prejudice Mardi and there is a risk
that the select committee process will be hijacked by racists
and purveyors of misinformation for six months.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I disagree with the characterization of that question.

Speaker 9 (29:10):
Matter of opinion was old Shane Jones. Of course, Chris
Luson won't be in the House for the first debate
and the first and only debate of the bill tomorrow,
because it will be debated in the House tomorrow. He'll
be on his way to APEC, the APEX sum in Peru.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Very really quickly. I see Section seven AA came up
again today.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Well it did.

Speaker 9 (29:31):
I don't know whether I've got time for a little
bit of audio, because it was fascinating. The case was
being led against the minister by the Greens Kurrangi Krter,
who argued Maori children run the risk of being further
abused if they're removed from their families.

Speaker 18 (29:48):
Here she is the minimum safeguard for protecting tamaitikei and
care is ensuring Maori quote are connected to their Farno
hapu ewie, fucker pop, fenoa real and tea hunger.

Speaker 19 (30:03):
If funo is the right place for a young people's
young person to be placed, that's what should happen. But unfortunately,
mister Speaker.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's not always appropriate and we need to make.

Speaker 19 (30:14):
Sure that the safety and well being comes first, and
we must base it on their needs. And every young
person deserves the same level of care and protection, no
matter what their ancestry is.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:28):
Well, and the person who came out, he basically came
out at the end. He defended you was and she's
an act minister of course, was the New Zealand first Minister,
Shane Jones. And he's tired of the attacks. He's tired
of the repetitive questioning. She gets it all the time
and it is ridiculous. It's going ahead anyway.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Barry, Thank you, Barry so seeing your political correspondent putting the.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
Time, mister Christopher Luxe and Withers, have you been talking
to Donald Trump?

Speaker 20 (30:56):
Yeah, and there's a lot going on on their side,
and it was very decent.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I metus take time out. So yes, did he use
the term at any point? I know you can't talk
about what was on the phone call.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
I get that, but did he use the term at
any point? Drill baby, drill? No, he didn't.

Speaker 20 (31:08):
I congratulated him on what was obviously a very decisive
and comprehensive word and was revery a relationship call. We
hadn't met before. He was looking forward to catching up
in person and due course. And also his perception of
New Zealand is actually very positive.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So it was a good call. Did you get a
word in edgeways?

Speaker 7 (31:22):
Yeah, it was really good.

Speaker 20 (31:23):
Actually it was a good two way conversation. I was
impressed that he knew about New Zealand and has a
very favorable impression of New Zealander's a Country Back.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with the
Rain drove the Lahn News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Hey a cold Play obviously tonight big for Auckland. So
we'll have a chat to Auckland Unlimited about how much
of a role they played in getting cold Play here
for the three concerts. And straight after the news we're
going to talk to Dennis O'Reilly, a lifetime Black Power member,
about what he makes of the situation with Operation Nickel,
the police force coming for crackdown on the gang patch,
the gang patch ban. Shortly now listen this banking inquiry Parliament.

(32:00):
I am losing faith in this sin quicksmarta. This feels
like a giant waste of our time because it basically
because I do not think that the MP's running this thing,
know what they're doing. The biggest story about the banks
in the last wee while is that they have been
forcing our farmers to cut their on farmer missions if
they want loans. And it's mad for a couple of reasons.
Number one, because it's not the job of the banks

(32:21):
to be telling a farm how you know how much
they can emit. This is they're not the climate change police.
And the second thing is that some of the banks
are making our dairy farmers cut emissions by more than
they're forcing Australian dairy farmers too, which is not fair,
or to levels lower that our levels will be lower
than the Assie dairy farmers. That's not fair.

Speaker 10 (32:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Did that feature prominently at the hearing today where ASB
Bank's CEO was there? Did that feature It was that
a massive part of the hearing today, like it should
have been. Not from what I can see. I mean,
I'm prepared to be wrong, but all the news coverage
ic they did not go that hard on ASB but
once again absolutely weirdly fixated on what the ASP bank

(32:59):
CEO is page we know you google it. You don't
need to ask them at the inquiry, just google it.
We already know it. Jeez. Honestly, News Talks eb.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
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Speaker 1 (33:23):
As they'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Good afternoon. Police have announced Operation Nicol. This is an
operation dedicated to enforcing the Gang Patch Band, which kicks
in next week. They have held and this is the police,
They have held hundreds of meetings about it already, some
of those meetings with gangs to discuss the band. Dennis
O'Riley is a lifetime Black Power member and with us. Now,
hey Dennis, have you been at any of these meetings? Yes,

(33:48):
And what happens at the meetings.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Are the police did exactly what they said they did
that hi people as to what was going to happen
and the approach that they were going to take. I
think it was a pretty good initiative and let's see
how things roll out. I mean that was under the
leadership of the Commissioner Costa and he's a man that

(34:13):
you're heavily criticized and said that, you know, he was
politicizing the police. I think what the current minister is
doing is politicizing the police. He's certainly shown his colors
as a very competent Minister of Emergency Management. So we'll
see how he goes in the police role.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
So what, Dennis, I.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Mean, what I'm kind of confused about is what needed
to be discussed. I mean, surely the thing is the
band kicks in. If the cops see you with a
patch on, they take the patch off you. What else
do people need to know?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Well, I suppose it's when the rules change in a
pretty dramatic way, and so you start to get clarity
if you're wearing it in the car, if you had
a tonguey, if you're crossing the road, and all that
sort of stuff. So I mean it's pretty you know,
just a fundamental, good, good sort of exchange. I mean,

(35:09):
the police have invested heavily in this last well since
the since the two by raids and building up a
rapport with pro social gang leaders and to the degree
making life as safe for all parties as possible.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
So what was the outcome, By the way, Dennis, I mean,
if you're wearing a patch in a car, does it
get taken off here?

Speaker 7 (35:36):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
If you're wearing a patch crossing the road, does it
get taken off here?

Speaker 21 (35:40):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
If you're by yourself, just loan, dude on a motorbike
going down the motorway taken off here?

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Really, it's quite hard out.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Well, I mean, it is what it is, and god
damn it, it may work. You know, who knows it's
a discontinuity. But I'm sort of with you know, mister
Carhill from the Police Association. I mean, you know, we
just don't know what's going to happen, and so you

(36:09):
know we need you know, calm heads.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
And steady hands and.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Careful words, I think, and let's just see how this
rolls out.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Cool, Dennis, thanks for talking us through. It's a bit
unpredictable as as much of politics at the moment. Appreciate it,
Dennis O. Rileigh, lifetime Black Power.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Member Heather do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
So it appears some schools are encouraging students to take
time off to go and attend the Hekoy protesting the
Treaty Principals Bill. There's an email from one school to
student's families doing the rounds of social media. It says
the school supports the ongoing Hikoy and any student who
attends the Hekoy with their parents will have their absence
marketers justified. David Seymour as party leader and also associate

(36:52):
education ministers with us. Now, hey, David, yeah, are you
frustrated by that?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (36:59):
I am, because educations the kids only real shot, especially
if you're born without much educations, your chance, your leadder
of opportunity. Call it what you will, and I'm pretty
sure that the treaty principals still will not disadvantage a
single child. But missing out on an education because you're
either not there or because you've got a principal who

(37:22):
thinks it's more important to be out joining a political
party process movement than learning to read maths and science
for the future, that disadvantages kids big time.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Is there anything you can actually do about us?

Speaker 10 (37:39):
In practice, our schools are run by parent elected boards
with principles appointed by the board, so they self governing.
We can only publish the data and urge them to
do the right thing. Ultimately, it's up to communities say
to their principle through their school boards. We don't like
what you do and maybe it's time to get someone new.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
So you see this as a breach of the Teaching
Council guidelines.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
How so.

Speaker 10 (38:07):
Well, principles are public servants required to show public sector neutrality.
So in theory someone could take a case that they
are breached political sorry, not public sector political neutrality. Sorry,
So that's that's certainly a case to be made.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Are you basically inviting someone to take a case?

Speaker 10 (38:28):
Well, i'd certainly, you know, wouldn't be surprised if somebody
up there took a complaint to the Teaching Council and said,
I've got this principle that I thought was supposed to
be politically neutral and encouraging children to go to something which,
by the way, is not really a Maori protest. That's
a TEP Party Maori protest. The organizer, Kapa kingis the

(38:53):
son of many Kappa Kingi, the Mari Party MP is
also on the Parliamentary Payer. I don't know if he's
got leave or he's doing it textpayer.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Hey, because I was trying to establish that today. Is
he actually it's a party Marti staffer?

Speaker 7 (39:07):
Is he?

Speaker 10 (39:08):
Oh, that's right, he's in the database, So there's a
question around can you employ your family in the first place.
But even putting that aside, you know, should of parliamentary
stuff have been involved in that sort of political activity?
Is the kindest thing you can say is that's a
bit bulllin. But I just make the point that those principles,
you know, that they may not realize that this is

(39:30):
affictively a political party activity that they are endorsing too.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Right, Actually, David, thanks for pointing that out. David Seymore,
Associate Education mistoes at party leader. I'm going to come
back to that point that he just made about the
he koygather do for ce Ellen. Guess who's going to
the COP twenty nine climate talks? The Taliban. That's right,
Taliban are going to the COP twenty nine climate talks,
aren't they? So the Taliban, I mean, I don't know

(39:58):
if you know, but we don't really like the Taliban
around the world. There's some stuff that they're doing at
the moment we're not too cool with, like, I don't know,
oppressing women. I mean, the latest thing that they pulled
recently was women and not allowed to talk out loud
anymore in front of other women. Lest other women hear
their voices. Dear God, if the Taliban had to listen
to the show and be flipping out, wouldn't they They'd
be like, what the hell ban it? Many people think that,

(40:20):
but unfortunately, more fortunately, the Taliban is not running the show,
is it? But yeah? So, what's happened is the UN
has basically not let the Taliban take up Afghanistan seat
at the General Assembly of the UN because we don't
really like them very much and they're not formally recognized
by the UN Member states and stuff because of the
way that they treat women and they don't let them
go to school and all that kind of stuff, and
they impose limitations on their movement and stuff. But the

(40:44):
hosts of COP twenty nine decided this is azub but Azerbaijan.
They decided that invite the Taliban along. Yeah, so, because
you know, what's more important than a woman being able
to go to school? The climate apparently, what's more important
than a woman being able to speak out loud in public? Apparently? Anyway,
So glad that they've got their priorities right. I do

(41:05):
wanted to send some thoughts and prayers to the Taliban
today because it's been a lot of women there, a
lot of and they're not going to be covering up
and they're just gonna be talking. It's just gonna be
women talking like a lot of hot air at the thing.
So anyway, good luck to them because it's going to
be triggering, and I hope they are triggered. Frankly, quarter
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(41:29):
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(41:51):
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(42:14):
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Speaker 1 (42:35):
Nz Keller do for c Allen.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
Yeats bag Night for.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Auckland tonight because Coldplayer is going to play the first
of their three shows at Evening Park. Guys here reckon.
They're going to start around quarter past eight, So I'm
gonna check that out. So this seems early. Auckland Transports
set up special event buses to get you there whatever.
You can just walk along an official fantrail. There's a
bunch of ways to get there. Michelle Hooper is Tataki Unlimited,
Auckland Unlimited's head of major Events. Hey Michelle, Hi, Heather,

(43:06):
how are you eight fifteen on stage?

Speaker 22 (43:10):
Well, that's what they're saying, that's the time they'll be there.
I won't be their life tonight, but I will be
there on Friday, but let's hope.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
So I mean, they're really parents if they're doing that day,
because you know, normally a good kicks off at nine,
doesn't it. Yes, this is really big for the city,
isn't it. I Mean, I think a lot of people
are a bit like the Coldplay, but actually these guys
are huge.

Speaker 22 (43:28):
They are absolutely global icons, and you know, I'm just
so pumped that, you know, Auckland's buzzing at the moment.
Is a city just come off the back of obviously
two amazing Pearl Jam concerts at go Media Stadium and
now I've got going into a tripleheader of Coldplay at
Eden Park, our most iconic New Zealand stadium. You know,
I really think it's just such a buzz for Auckland's
having such incredible entertainment back to back, you know, and

(43:50):
Coldplayer are such loyalists to Auckland. You know, I've been
to two of their concerts previously here and this is
obviously the third. They may even have come before I
got onto them, but.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
It's just huge. You did we have to put up
any money as a city to lure them over.

Speaker 22 (44:04):
We lured with what we could, but you know, we
plan a bit of a different ballpark to a lot
of other international cities, and we do rely on great
relationships with our event promoters and our stadiums and.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
If it.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Sorry, what did we use to lure them over with
a better equity and.

Speaker 22 (44:23):
Also a lot of you know, come on over and
you know, reward out your New Zealand fan base. We'll
show you a good time.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Michelle will give you a bit of cash. I've always
wondered how this works. So do we actually pay like,
do we actually pay them directly to come over? Is
that how it works?

Speaker 22 (44:38):
It depends on we invest in the promoters and you know,
we work with the stadiums and the promoters on what
the best way to kind of make the compelling package
come together. And it really depends on the artists. You
know what they're looking for and you know how we
can work together as a group to facilitate what they
need in order to get.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
Them over here.

Speaker 22 (44:57):
Yeah, and it does take a lot of favorite of
teamwork because each each proposition is quite different.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Okay, listen, you're not going to tell me how much
you pay day.

Speaker 22 (45:06):
It's a bit commercially sensored obviously because it's right on now.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
But after the event it all comes out. Oh good,
we'll talk to you about it then, Michelle, thanks very
much appreciated. Michelle Hooper Auckland Unlimited, Head of Major Events.
That's how it works. It's how it works with FIFA.
The World Cup works with everything. You've got to pay
them to come over five two.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
youth talks that'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
It's restrictions at Eden Park hence the early start. Yes,
I forgot Helen lives xtdoor coming up twenty five past
five listen on. I don't know if you're aware of it,
but about an hour ago the government launched a gender
pay tool and the thing is designed to help businesses,
you know, to tell a business if it's got a
gender pay gap and then also suggest ways for the

(45:51):
business to actually fix that gender pay gap. Now it's
going to rip your ninety what I'm about to say
to you. If you're a lady who rages about the
gender pay gap. So I'm giving you a trigger warning.
But I've been thinking about this a lot, and I
am somebody who is directly affected by this, given I
am a woman, and I am about to have a baby,

(46:12):
and I love earning money because frankly, who doesn't We
turn up to work to earn the dollars. Right, So
this is controversial, but I do not know that this
is entirely an employer problem anymore in the modern age. Right,
women are educated, women are capable, We're turning up, we're
getting employed.

Speaker 7 (46:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I don't know that this is just an employer problem.
I think this is a woman problem. Now here's my tip.
If you are a woman and you don't want to
have a gender pay gap, don't take maternity leave. Make
the baby's father take the paternity leave. And don't always
be the one to stay home with the kids when
the kids are sick. Make the father stay at home
with the kids when the kids are sick. Because I

(46:47):
think that is now part of our problem. We are literally,
as women, a more unreliable workforce than men. Because think
about this. I mean, this is brutal, but it's true. Right,
If you are standing, if you've got an equally qualified
man and woman standing in front of you, let's say,
early thirties, married, but haven't had babies. You're gonna hire
the lady because I don't know about that. I'd look
at the lady and go, oh, she hasn't had babies yet,

(47:08):
So now she's gonna have babies. Now she's gonna want
to take a year off for every single baby. Now
when the baby's second got a bit of a cough,
the woman's gonna stay at home. She's unreliable. The guy
is more reliable. Guy gets the job right. So it's
because of what we want to do as women. I
was talking to a woman the other day who earns
more than her husband. She's awesome, that's why. And I
said to her, now that you earn more and you're

(47:29):
you want to have another baby, he'll be the one
that stays home for a year with the baby, won't he,
because that way you have more money coming into the house.
And she's like, now I want to stay home with
the baby. And I was like, well, how are you?
Because also she's a woman who rages about the gender
pay gap all the time. I was like, you can't
have it both. Ways, How can you complain about earning
less than men when you're prepared to take a year

(47:50):
off work for your personal circumstances. Now, remember, it's not
just a year off work that influences what you're getting
paid here, right, it's the fact that the employers know
that you're going to take a year off work and
they're building that in already, and they're thinking about whether
they promote you into a crucial job because you want
to take time off work and you're gonna be the
one at home with the kids. As I say, like,
this is gonna this is controversial to say this, but

(48:10):
I can say it because I'm a lady. I know
that this is hard, and I know we want it
all in the modern age, right, we want heaps of money,
We want all the big jobs, and we also want
to be the ones who stay at home and raise
the babies when they come out. But life is tough
and choices are tough, and I suspect women are gonna
have to start helping themselves a little bit here by
getting the dads to do the heavy lifting too, instead
of just complaining that life ain't fair.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Heather duplusy Ellen standing.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
By for the text machine to explode on me. You know,
life ain't fair, so I'm gonna cop it. Hey, By
the way, on another subject, she Hard have announced that
they're going to break up, and this is you know,
it's sad because they've been around for forty years, which
is for many people like most of their adult lives.
So we're gonna have a chat to John too Good,
who's gonna be with us very shortly. News Talks z'b.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Heather Dupless allan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and news talk z be.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Come on, you're listening to this tune, You're like, why
did I buy Teckis to go to col play tonight? Hey,
it's going to be going by the way, I know
she's working, mum going out on a Wednesday night?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
What am I thinking?

Speaker 6 (49:39):
Heather?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
We were all thinking that about the gender pay gap.
You're right, Demo, you were hither, You're right in the money.
I'm an employer and I agree exactly with what you
just said about the gender pay gap and women being
an unreliable workforce. And I am a woman. There you go,
how about that? And I'm a woman too, Heather, that
was so funny to listen to. My wife is exactly
the same train of thought, and it's it's come down
to fenness for the child. Omg, Heather, It's seldom I

(50:00):
hear so much common sense spoken. So I was expecting
to get I was expecting that you were going to
give me like a hard time for this, but not
at all here that I respect your opinion, but as
a new mum and after a traumatic birth ending in
the emergency sea section followed by severe post natal mental health,
I wasn't able to return you to physical and mental health.
Not to mention, I was also trying to breastfeed. Oh
dear god, that's horrible breastfiting. I think it's a bit

(50:20):
more complicated than what you've said, as there are so
many other factors of play. Yeah, totally, and there will be.
There will be outliers, cases like that, outliers. But not
like my mate who decided that she wants to just
forgo all the money in the house and stay at
home for a year. Didn't she more than once, didn't she.
Now we're going to get to chippy because I don't
know if you're aware of this, but Chippy's joining the
hecoy and there's a lot to talk about with that

(50:43):
particular decision, so I'll run you through it before the
end of this half hour. By the way, after six o'clock,
Nikola Gregg, the minister responsible for this gender pay gap tool,
will be with us in the huddle standing by twenty
two actually twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Six ever due Allen.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
So the bad news is that the rumors are true
and she Hard will be after nearly forty years.

Speaker 7 (51:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
They've announced one last tour so you can still get
to see them, and the demand is already so high
for the tickets that the server on the website crash. Now,
of course you know this. John too Good is the
lead singer.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
John.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
Hello, Hi, Heather, how are you going?

Speaker 6 (51:13):
John?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I'm well, I'm sad at this news because you guys
have been a fixture of so many of our lives
growing up. I was only speaking to you, like, when
were you in the studio with me three or four
weeks ago? Did you already know you were doing this?

Speaker 21 (51:26):
I did, but I couldn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Were you dying to say something like it's one of
those secrets when we want to get it out.

Speaker 21 (51:34):
It was a secret. You know, I was there to
talk about when you record, so you know, I wanted
to talk about that. So but it was something that
we've been sort of thinking about for a couple of
years now. And because when we were young, it was
always one hundred percent. She had all the time, even
before families, before everything all came first. And I think

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we just got to that point where it was like,
to do this properly, we need to give it one
hundred percent of the time. But none of us we've
all got kids now, we've all got other things going on,
and it was just like, well, rather than end in
a whimper, let's go out with a band.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
But hold on, John, I mean, you've got kids, but
Bono's got kids and they made it work.

Speaker 21 (52:15):
Yeah, but we've also all got different businesses and jobs
and all sorts of things going on. So everyone's busy
all the time, and it's just this, this, this is
a great band that deserves that's full on attention. I
just think that we came to a sort of collective
agreement that we couldn't do that, and yeah, so it

(52:36):
was time to sort of put it to bed, but
put it to bed in a going out on a
high rather than going out with a whimper.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
What are the other businesses you guys have got? Are
you guys holding down regular people jobs as well?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Well?

Speaker 21 (52:46):
Everyone does. I think Tom manages about three different bands
in Australia. Phil is basically a tour manager for international
acts around Australia. Carl a organic food store down in
Pokakoee stop it does he? Yeah? So it's there's everyone's

(53:08):
doing everything all this.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I come from Pookakoe. I'm gonna have to go and
visit Carl's store. John Okay, So you guys are gonna
you're gonna have You're gonna go out with one last
hurrah and is it going to be epic?

Speaker 21 (53:22):
It is going to be absolutely epic. We've literally laid
down the gortlet to ourselves to make sure that we
cover the whole career, like from first EP right to
the last album. We're going to make sure that we
played bangers off every single one. But the other new
thing we've done which we've never done before, which is
we're going to make every show a bit different. So

(53:42):
usually when Sheeha go touring, we get acceptless together at
the front of the tour and we just play it
to death. And this is the summer around. It's like,
no each We're going to make sure every show is
unique and different and special.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
What's the song that you finish on, Well.

Speaker 21 (53:59):
It'd be pretty hard to not play up in again
last Yeah, you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think you've nailed that. All right, John, listen,
thank you, go well, And I'm I'm personally sad, but
you know, all good things.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
Have to end.

Speaker 21 (54:14):
Well, I think yeah, we're we're It's going to be
a bittersweet, but I think it's going to be at
the same time.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yeah, I think it might well be. Go well, John
too good. She Hard's lead singer. That's the one. You'd
wait till the end of the concert for this one,
wouldn't you. Absolutely? You were nineteen away from.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Six The Huddle with New Zealand's Tutherby's International Realty, Local
and Global Exposure.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Like no Huddle this evening is Nick Mills, Wellington Morning's
host and Fillo Riley I and Duke partners and former
Boss of Business New Zealand. Hell are you too here?
You are very well? Thank you? Are either of you
up here for the Coldplay concert in Auckland or no.

Speaker 23 (54:53):
No, but they're mucking up. I was traveling up for
other reasons in my watch, taking you to get an airfare,
and it's a bit of does or you cold play?
People just stay home so I can travel up for
other reasons.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Please yeah, Now, don't go and see cold plate. The
wife needs to get up. What about you, Nick?

Speaker 24 (55:11):
No, but I have a son that paid over six
hundred dollars for a return flight on Jetstar to go
to the concert tonight, so obviously there's a little bit
of demand for it here.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
Nick, that is right.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
That's a steal. In New Zealand was seven hundred dollars
one way, and that's if you could find a ticket. Nick, listen,
I just want to ask you this. I don't know
that causing disruption at rush hour over the Harbor Bridge
in Auckland was the smartest thing for the Hikoy organizers.
What do you think.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Are you coming to me?

Speaker 4 (55:39):
At first?

Speaker 24 (55:39):
I think that a protest is a protest, and I
think suck it up, Auckland. We're going to have it
on Tuesday and Wellington. I think that's the whole point
of the protesters to get as much attention as cause
as much a disruption as you possibly can.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
About why why it's a good cause. It's a good cause, Nick,
Why do we assume that disruption is good for a protest?
Because as far as I can see it, all it
does is it drives people to be less sympathetic to
the protest and more sympathetic to the opposite, which is
David Seymour.

Speaker 24 (56:09):
Can I tell you that I don't think in my
lifetime that I've had more apart from the obviously the
Parliament Grounds protest. Apart from that, I don't think that
I've ever known the undercurrent of people that want to protest. Now,
I work in the real world as well as working
on z B, and I think that almost all my
staff who are very unwoke are going to go on

(56:29):
that protest.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Are they? Yeah?

Speaker 24 (56:32):
And white, white, Chinese, black, yellow, green, whatever, doesn't make
any difference. They don't like the idea of it, and
they're going to protest.

Speaker 23 (56:39):
What do you think, Phil, Well, that's interesting because when
you ever get the survey material, I'm not suggesting I'm
for or against. When you get surveys, the majority of
New Zealanders actually support something like this. Interestingly, now that
when it comes to the when it comes to the protest.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
So I always think when you say, can I just
stop you there, because it's not clear to support something
like this, support something like the.

Speaker 23 (56:59):
Heat when you're asking no, no, not the equal with
the treaty principles. In other word, to say that the
whole of the public is opposed to this and there's
just no shouting, that's not quite true actually, So just
be cautious about that. But in terms of the protests,
I've always thought that you need to be respectful. You
can cause a bit of difficulty and so on. But
when you're shouting and streaming and carrying on and trying

(57:21):
to say everything is at fault and it's all terrible
and so on, which is really what's been happening. It's
all of shouting and screaming going on here. I'm not
sure that's conducive to the public actually listening to the
arguments and understanding. And this has become really in evidence
free debate, this whole debate, everybody's shouting and screaming at
each other, I think, and I think some sober reflection
is actually necessary. One of the things that worries me
heither is there's nobody really he's able to bring it

(57:42):
together here to say, you know, this is what we
really think. You've got people shouting out to the left,
through the through the Mariy Party, You've got David Seymour,
you know, arguably, you know, getting into it from the
other side. There's not enough sober voices, reflective voices saying
here's here's the way through this this debate. And I
don't think he cays across the Harbor Bridge, which which
just annoy Aorkland traffic again to sold much and to

(58:05):
nix point us. Wellingtoning is are used to this because
with the capital, I know you think we need to
suck it up on the Capitol. That's what protests we're
all about. I don't think it's a good idea to
be stopping mums and dads and kids taking people to
the doctor on a on a Tuesday morning, Wednesday morning,
whatever it was. I just do think that damages the
capacity for us to have the right debate about the
future of race relations.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Yeah, right, didn't.

Speaker 21 (58:27):
We didn't.

Speaker 24 (58:28):
We didn't really care when people were gluing their hands down.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
So we did, are you talking about?

Speaker 24 (58:34):
Yeah, Well, we didn't make this as big a deal
about people gluing their hands down and doctor has not
been able.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
To get to what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
I was on the radio saying they should be put
in jail.

Speaker 23 (58:44):
Yeah, I was pretty I was pretty exercised issue for
that very reason that there was pointless you know.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yeah, So listen, you don't live in the real world, mate,
you live in Wellington. You live in Wellington. It's different,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
No, I live in the real world.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
Definitely liver the real.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Your dream and hold on, hang on a tech. We've
just got to take a break, come back and just
to take quarter two.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
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Speaker 1 (59:11):
Of your home.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Back on the Huddle, Nick Mills and Phillo Raleigh, Phil.
What do you think about Donald Trump pointing Elon Musk
if it's.

Speaker 23 (59:19):
One of those things that looks really good and not
that Elon will say something, since in fact that there
was a who tells me that the federal government in
the United States is anything but bloated. So Ian will
say some stuff and there'll be a lot of who
play around it. Whether it actually means anything, of course,
will be will be kind of a different thing altogether,
but you know, it's it's the sort of thing new
presence and indeed new prime ministers who they appoint famous

(59:40):
people to give them recommendations that might or might not
be implemented, and if they are, usually implemented very very differently.
But it'll all be good, good grist to the mill
for the for the right wing media and for the
talk show hosts and so on. I'll be able to
talk about it, but I don't think it'll mean very much.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Nick?

Speaker 24 (59:55):
I think that that's a very very smart idea. The
richest man in the world on your side trying to
help you make more money for your country. I mean,
it's pretty simplictic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
It's pretty good. Pr Is that what you mean? That's
a better and a good idea.

Speaker 9 (01:00:08):
You'll come up with something.

Speaker 24 (01:00:09):
You don't think the richest man and the cleverest man
in the world, or one of the cleverest men in
the world ain't going to help you by coming up
with a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Well, yeah, I mean I suppose if you're looking for
a good idea, he might be the guy to help
you out.

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Do you feel feel like climbing into the gender pay
gap and why it actually exists and whether we need
this tool.

Speaker 23 (01:00:25):
Well, I've been doing it for years. Actually, the gender
pay gap is real, and the fact that you know
it exists is one thing. And one of the things
you's fine is when you when a company says, oh,
my gender pay gap is seventeen percent or whatever it is,
that's typically what it is in New Zealand, people say, oh,
you're you're sexist, you're not paying one enough, and blah
blah blah. Actually there's reasons why it exists. There logical reasons.
There's reasons that you can actually work on. And one

(01:00:46):
of the things I like about thinking about the gender
pay gap in the right way is if you then
understand what the drivers of it are, then you can
actually do something about it. When you don't know and
you just know there's a gap, which you tend to
get is a lot of ranting and raving the point
your fingers and so on. So if the government's going
to do that, and I'm not sure they've got a
role to do it, frankly, I think the private sector
should be doing it themselves. Frankly, If the government is

(01:01:08):
going to do it, then they need to work with
the private sector on what really matters, which is the
drivers and the what the private sector and the public sector,
who also have a gender pay gap, can do about
resolving it. That's the best way through rather than simply
pointing fingers because one existence saying look at that terrible. Actually,
there's usually reasons why it exists that are objective that
are nothing to do with sexism that we can get

(01:01:28):
on and solve.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Do you have a gender pay gap? Nick?

Speaker 23 (01:01:31):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 24 (01:01:32):
And my argument for this is Heather, and I've said
it quite a few times on air, if there is
this huge but gap, can you please pay me what
you pay either.

Speaker 15 (01:01:42):
Two per see out on and I'll be very very
happy man. I would be the happiest man and willing
to We'll fix that tender gap. Just pay me what
you pay either. I don't see there's any problem. Three hours,
five days a week.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Same job, basically, Neked's the same job, same job.

Speaker 24 (01:01:58):
I was the one that got the story that you're
going on about last week and the week before.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Well, I want to be paid the same as Hosking.
Then show me the money they were in drum the
money the business is going to be bankrupt and a
tecond fair point there. Okay, guys, listen, thank you, I
really appreciate it. Go and enjoy the rest of the evening.
And that's Nick Mills and Philo Riley a huddle this evening.
It's nine away from six red or.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Blue, Trump or Harris who will win the battleground states.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy Alan
drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Let's get connected use talks'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I was waiting for this text to come in, Heather.
As much as you hate Nceea, I've just done the
scholarship geography exam about demographics. Now, from what I've learned,
don't you think we should be having encouragements for women
to have babies to stop New Zealand's abysmal plummeting fertility.
It's widely agreed that population decline is one of the
biggest crises we have upcoming in the world. Interesting, right,

(01:02:55):
because if you listen to what phil O'Riley just said,
he said, we do have a gender gap problem, and
the gender gap is there for very specific reasons which
we can change and fix to get women paid the
same as men. So if you believe that what I
am saying is correct, which is that part of the
reason have not the predominant reason that women are paid
less than men nowadays is because we are taking maternity leave,

(01:03:18):
we are the primary parents. Then the easiest way to
fix that is, ladies, can you please stop having babies? Like,
if you could just stop being parents and just focus
on work, you'll be paid exactly the same as the blokes.
Is that the world that we want, I'm not sure
it is, And so I'm not sure that this kind
of like absolute focus on getting women, all women paid

(01:03:38):
exactly the same as men is exactly it is necessarily
what we want, because maybe actually what we want is
people to be able to choose have your baby. If
that makes you happy, go and be a mum if
you can afford it. That's tell you what. It's a
bloody easier life, isn't it than having to work and
be a mom at the same time. So yes, to
your point, Actually, maybe we're doing ourselves in the eye
by being like, ladies need to work, work, work, work,

(01:04:00):
and we're forgetting that actually having children is kind of
what we're here for, right, And so we're our fertility
rate is falling through the floors of Fairpoint. Now listen
on Chippy Chris Hopkins. This is what he said today
about joining this hekoy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Well, you join the he koi?

Speaker 16 (01:04:18):
Yes, so, Well, when they arrive in Wellington, I'll absolutely
be going to join them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I will be there to listen. I will be there
to express my support for their cause.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
What a fool. So the leader of the opposition, the
leader of the Labor Party, is going to join ahkhoy
organized by the Maori Party. So this hikoi is not
a This is not a the old Maori hikoy. This
is not an uprising of the Maori people. This is
a Maori Party organized hikoi organized by a staffer of

(01:04:51):
the Maori Party. As you heard David Semill say earlier
on the payroll son of one of the MP's was
a candidate. Like, the Maori Party is through this thing,
through and through. So the leader of the Labor Party
is going to go and join a Maori Party protest.
Now what does that tell you about who's running the
show here? And also, like so for a start, that's
a really stupid idea. That's like Chris Laxon joining something

(01:05:15):
organized by the Act Party. That's dumb. But also on
top of that, are you sure you want to align
yourself with the Marhori Party, because that seems to me
to be Labour's biggest problem forming a coalition government potentially
in two years time when the next selection rolls around,
the vast majority of New Zealand does not support the
Marori Party. They are pretty radical, they are wild right

(01:05:35):
with some of the suggestions and the language and stuff
like that. I think that the biggest problem the Labor
Party's got is that when they line up and they
go and we're proposing the three of us myself, the
Labor Party and the Greens and the Marty Party, we
will be the next government. New Zealand's going to go
and we're not going to vote for you. Nut. So
that his mates now are they? Is he going to
go along to that? I just wonder if if wiser

(01:05:57):
heads may need to prevail on Chris Hapkins there and
just let him help him just to think this one through,
because I don't know that this is a smart move
for him anyway. Listen Nicola Gregg, who is the woman,
the minister who's come up with a gender payeool, She's
going to be with us next. And then also Prince
William has been declared the world's sexiest bald man. Well,

(01:06:18):
we have to talk about this actually, News Talks D.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Tesla's doing
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to Milford Asset Management about that shortly. If you think
your insurance premiums have gone up, wait till you hear
from janetub Trainey what apartment owners are having to pay.
And also a group of have written to the government
warning them off the Treaty Principles bills, so we'll speak
to one of them right now. It's coming up eight
past six. Now, as it was telling you earlier, the

(01:07:08):
government has launched a calculator to help businesses work out
their gender pay gap.

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
The calculator can be found on the Ministry for Women's
website and the hope that businesses will realize what the
pay gap is and then address the pay gap and
Nikola greg Is the Minister for Women. Hey Nikoler, Hello,
how about you? Good? Did you hear my rantet five
twenty five?

Speaker 25 (01:07:26):
I did?

Speaker 26 (01:07:26):
Thought well, Look, I mean I took matunity leaves. It's
up the women individually. Look, I speak to lots and
lots of women led to businesses. I was with a
bunch of lawyers recently. Some of them told me they
went back to work after six weeks. So look, I
don't respectfully here that I don't necessarily agree with you.
I think it's up to the individual and all power

(01:07:48):
to of course, and equally to BOTHO want to be
munth I not totally.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Everybody can decide. But you don't get everything right. So
if you want to take a year's and you'll leave
every time you have a baby, you want to be
the one that stays home with the baby. You want
to be the primary parent. Don't don't bitch and moan
when you're not getting paid the same as your male peers. Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:08:08):
Yeah, And you know what, you touched on a really
salient point here, because we've got a pay gap at
about eight point two percent. We've driven that down quite
hard in recent years, and now it's got really sticky,
and that's because of what we call these unconscious biases,
and a lot of that is driven by women who
choose to exit the workforce to stay home and be months.
And again, that's awesome and I love that they want

(01:08:28):
to do that, but this is why we have to
start encouraging businesses to really open up, get really brave,
measure their pay gap and then if they want to
take action to start to reduce it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Okay, Now, what I'm worried about this thing doing right
is that there will be unintended consequences. So there will
be a lot of businesses where, for example, they have
a lot perhaps they employ majority women, like thirty percent blogs,
seventy percent women, and maybe at the top levels of
the business. And I'm thinking about someone in particularly at
the top levels is the business is pretty even fifty

(01:09:01):
to fifty. But then they've got the gigantic workforce underneath
the women, right, so they're cheap women working there. What
they will do, Nikola, is they will not pay those
women more. They will simply next time a woman leaves,
replace it with a man. Replace it with a man.
Replace it with a man, replace it with man. And
the unintended consequence is that for some women in certain
pay bands, it gets hard to get a job.

Speaker 26 (01:09:22):
You know, I don't necessarily agree with that. I don't
think businesses will do that. I mean, we've road tested
this thing really really widely with all sorts of businesses,
including those gender heavy ones that you're talking about, but
probably the inverse of that, like Port of Auckland, like
various contracting and constructing companies. So look, they're obviously really

(01:09:42):
keen to delve into this because we know that it
will open up a workforce toudent that will unleash a
wider talent caulled ttom. You know, we know that employing
more women is all around diverse thing, canigraater and invasion
and proved decision making, all kind of thing. So I
don't necessarily think this is going to drive people away

(01:10:04):
from employing women. In fact, I think they're going to
see the power of it and it's going to leave
something quite cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
This particular tool. Is it completely private, Like I can
go on if I wanted to type in my business
and all the details and nobody would even know that
I've done it. I don't need to display it.

Speaker 26 (01:10:20):
Yes, yes, absolutely, and each business can choose to do
the whole organization or to your point earlier, they can
drill down by sector, so you can can drill down
any management, mid level management and so on and so forth,
so you can equate. You can calculate out your gender
pay within each of those segments within your business.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
And then what is the possible advice that can be
given to businesses to address it? Is it not simply
paid that woman more?

Speaker 26 (01:10:46):
No, it's really really user friend Now I've run through
it a couple of times myself. It's going to be
hosted on the Ministry for Women's website and business end there.
So we're going to get it out as wide as
we can possibly go and all of so A is
the calculator, but B then that there are a whole
he guides that you can then download help you address
that pay gap, and that they have been informed by
international best factors. But also, I think more importantly New

(01:11:08):
Zealand business. We want to create something that is designed
by business for business to the unique New Zealand environment.
So therefore you know as applicable to them and their
context to operate it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Nicola, thank you very much for taking the time to
talk to us. It's Nicola Gregg, the Minister for Women.
I'm going to talk very shortly to Milford Asset Management
about Oh, by the way, I need to tell you
about Elon Musk because obviously Elon Musk's business is doing
well and he tweeted out today threat to democracy. Nope,
threat to bureaucracy, which is actually quite clever. So that
deserved to mention, didn't it Not a good start for

(01:11:43):
the Crown Observer who has been pointed to babysit Wellington
City Council. This is Lindsay McKenzie. Bloke didn't turn up
to the meeting today, which is unfortunate because it was
his first day on the job. And what makes it
even more unfortunate is he has paid one thousand dollars
a day to be there, but grudgingly paid one thousand
dollars a day because the people paying him one thousand

(01:12:04):
dollars today are the Wellington City Council who don't really
want him there. He didn't turn up to the meeting
apparently a bit of trouble getting there. So this is
one of the hazards I think of living in Nelson
and working two days a week in Wellington there were
travel delays apparently so might be I don't know, as
from one former commuter to a current commuter. Better to

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of apartments and also multi unit buildings because it looks
like they have been hit Exit for hard. Gnative trainee
as The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Hey your name.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Hey Heather?

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
How hard have they been hit?

Speaker 20 (01:14:06):
Well?

Speaker 27 (01:14:07):
Pretty hard, and it really depends on where you live.
The Treasury recently surveyed a bunch of apartment and other
multi unit building owners. It only surveyed one hundred and
forty two of them, so quite a small sample size,
but from that group it found that in Wellington and
the five years to twenty twenty three, those premiums rose
by fifty eight percent, and in Auckland they doubled. Now,

(01:14:30):
by way of context, you know, houses on standalone houses
owned and by people who live in them, those premiums
only increased by thirty percent over that time, So we're
looking at thirty percent versus fifty eight or one hundred percent. Now, Wellington, particularly,
those premiums were super high, about eight thousand, two hundred
dollars a year, much lower in Auckland at about one

(01:14:55):
eight hundred. Now, these are numbers the Treasury Collee collected
a little bit roper, you know, because that sample sizes
is small, But I think that general trend is there,
those multi unit building premiums shooting up much more quickly
than regular insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I tell you what I found fascinating was that the
respondents who were talking about they said that the earthquake
strengthening that they had done on their buildings hadn't lowered
their insurance premiums. Why not?

Speaker 27 (01:15:20):
Yeah, you know, I think that is a real blow
because I know some body corps are sinking really large
sums of money into getting the buildings up to standard
and you think if you do that it would make
a difference. The insurers told the Treasury that actually, just
because a building meets the standards, the building standards to

(01:15:40):
make it really safe, doesn't mean to say that that
building won't be damaged. So the building could still be
damaged and therefore costs the insurer a lot, even if
it's built in such a way that keeps people safe.
So I think that is a real blow. The Treasury
reckons that the amount you could save is only about
ten percent on your premium if you go to all

(01:16:02):
that hassle and expense to you know, to get your
building up scratch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
This is fascinating. And then really quickly, why is Treasury
pairing back its monitoring of the insurance costs?

Speaker 27 (01:16:11):
Yeah, you know, this had me scratching my head. Previously,
the Treasury got Finity Consulting, which is the scrip of actuaries,
to do these quarterly reports that go into much greater
detail than the survey we've just been talking about, really
sort of gnally stuff to see how much insurance is
costing and what the coverage is like. That has only

(01:16:33):
happening annually. Now I think that is probably a cost
saving thing Also, the Treasury is no longer as interested
in monitoring how the private insurance market is responding to
EQUC doubling its coverage. So in twenty twenty two, EQC
took on a whole lot more risk. Everyone was worried
that if that happened, the insurers wouldn't actually cut their premiums.

(01:16:54):
That didn't actually happen, which is why the Treasury was
monitoring it, So it's pairing that back. The thing I
think is significant here is that the government is acknowledging
that it can't really do anything about this risk based pricing,
the fact that some property owners face very, very high
insurance bills. In fact, the government is happy for this

(01:17:15):
to happen because if insurers kind of do the dirty
work making people who live in risky properties pay more insurance,
that encourages people move to move to safer areas, which
means if there's a storm or something bad, the government
doesn't effectively have to bail out those people. So that
government is actually quietly happy for the insurance industry to
do a lot of the heavy lifting encouraging people to

(01:17:38):
move to safer places.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I see that makes sense. Thanks very much, appreciate It
is Gennative trainee, the Herald's Wellington Business Editor. Probably the
biggest news out of England today is that out of
the UK's at the Church of the head of the
Church of England's Justin Welby has resigned. I feel like
that I mangled that sentence as we try that again.
The Head of the Church of England, who is Justin Welby,
has resigned. Now he has resigned, and this is a

(01:18:00):
big deal because it was revealed he didn't tell the
police about the chap who was a serial abuser and
it's both physical and sexual and he was a volunteer
regularly at Christian summer camps and stuff like that. So
we're going to have a chat to our I think
it's Gail Downey for us this evening, our UK correspondent
before the end of the program six twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
One, croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather
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Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Hey, it's reasonably significant this Forty two members of the
King's Council, which is the country's most senior legal minds,
have written an open letter to the government calling on
them to abandon the treaty principles. Bill will chat to
one of them, get you across that detail in about
twelve minutes. It's twenty four past six. Stephanie Bachelor, Milford
Asset Management. Hey, Steph, Hi heiber Steph. We've had about
a week of trading now since Trump won the election.

(01:18:49):
So what are you seeing a week on in terms
of themes positive or negative? Now that the dusters may
be settled a little bit.

Speaker 28 (01:18:55):
Yeah, So there's been a lot going on, but it's
all really been a risk on at each driven by
the fact that most of Trump's policies are very pro growth. So,
for example, small and medium sized businesses, particularly in software,
have done very well and they're expected to see a
boost from his supportive business policies things like tax cuts
and less regulation. Another sector benefiting from that deregulation theme

(01:19:18):
is financials. They've done very well, also helped by tax
cuts and more supportive conditions for mergers and acquisitions. Another
one is consumer discretionary, so that's moved higher. It's a
sector that tends to do well as growth picks up,
and now that the overhang of the election has gone
and we're heading into the holiday season. It's expected that
consumers will start feeling good and spending again. But on

(01:19:42):
the flip side, of course, the consumer companies that are
exposed to tariffs, so for example, any companies that import
goods from China, they've been seeing a bit of pressure.
And another area that's seeing pressure is clean energy or renewables. So,
as you know, Trump supports traditional oil and gas, expected
to enact supportive policy there while reversing some of the

(01:20:04):
more green friendly policies.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
But how long is it going to take for him
to implement some of these policies.

Speaker 28 (01:20:10):
Well, it's looking like it will be a red sweep,
so Republicans in both the Senate and the House, so
that will make it a lot easier for Trump to
enact as policies, but he still will need to convince
the more moderate members of his party and there are
still some checks and balances in place. The makeup of
his cabinet appointees will also be key, and he's going
through that process right now. But in terms of timing,

(01:20:32):
so it's thought that tax cuts might be the first
cab off the rank. He's hoping to see those flow
on growth impacts much more quickly than he did when
he implemented tax cuts back in his first term. Whereas
the more extreme policies, so the ones around tariffs and immigration,
they'll probably take a little bit longer to implement. And
he'll also want to be quite careful because those sorts

(01:20:53):
of policies are more inflationary, and he's not going to
want to derail his sort of overarching plan, which is
to stimate growth and boost US businesses.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Tesla has appears to have been one of the big
winner's post election. I mean their shares, we're up a
I think something like forty percent over four days. Why
has it been so strong?

Speaker 28 (01:21:12):
Yes, So a large part of it is that Elon
Musk has been one of Trump's most visible and outspoken supporters,
and Trump seems to view him as a trusted voice.
So he's apparently been spending a lot of time with
Trump since the election, you know, even weighing in on
staffing decisions for the next administration. And actually Trump has
just confirmed that Musk, along with one other will lead

(01:21:33):
a new Department of Government Efficiency, and so they'll be
tasked with cutting bureaucracy, wasteful spending, removing excess regulations and
even restructuring federal agencies. So this is certainly going to
give him a lot of power, and Musk has presumably
also been hoping that Trump will make certain decisions that
will help his various businesses.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
That he has, hence the rally in his stock price.
All right, now, the Fed it cut the rates by
a quarter of a scent last week, which is pretty
much expected. I think we've had quite a few conversations now,
you know, on the show in the last few days,
where it's starting to look like Trump's victory actually means
the interest rate cuts are not as strong as we
would have thought. Would that be what you think?

Speaker 25 (01:22:14):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 28 (01:22:16):
On the FED chair, Jeroon Power was specifically asked at
on the press conference and sort of saying, you know,
can the election outcome impact the path for future interest
rate cuts? And his response was that for now, there's
no immediate impact, given we don't know the timing or
substance of any new policies. So he said, you know,
we don't guess, we don't speculate, we don't assume, So
for now they do remain on a rate cutting path.

(01:22:39):
But obviously how Trump's policies end up impacting the economic
data further down the track will have an effect. And
so I mentioned a lot of his policies are inflationary,
and so that would reduce the number of rate cuts
that the Fed implements. And actually the market is already
starting to price that in. So it's pricing in that
rate cuts will potentially stop much earlier and at a
rate that's much higher versus what was expected you back

(01:23:03):
in a few months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Yeah, Steph, thank you so much. Stephanie Bachelor Milford Asset Management. Right,
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Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Either the head of the Church of England is actually
King Charles and the archbishop who resigned justin Welby as
a cleric under him. Thank you, Karen Ow and enjoy
cold play tonight. And thank you again, Karen. You are
correct on what you said about King Charles being the
head there. I apologize for that. We will talk to
Gail Downe about it when she's with us in ten
minutes Main Freight. This is one of the announcements we
were expecting today in terms of market announcements. We're going

(01:24:07):
to watch this one and it has reported an eight
percent drop a net profit. Now, while it's down, it's
actually better than we were expecting, because it's marginally better
than the guidance it was giving to investors only what
like a month ago thereabouts. Looks like the problem is
largely that the US market has taken a hit twenty
three away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Heather duper Cil forty two members.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Of the King's Council, which is the country's most senior
legal minds, are calling on the government to abandon the
Treaty Principals Bill now. They've written a letter to the
Prime Minister and the Attorney General Dudith Collins, saying they've
got grave concerns about this piece of legislation. Karen Faint
is one of the signatories and with us.

Speaker 25 (01:24:40):
Now, hey, Karen Kilder, even, Karen, is it fair.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
To say that your primary concern here is that what
would happen if the spill was to become law, was
that it would rewrite settled law around what the treaty
principles actually are.

Speaker 25 (01:24:55):
Yes, that's absolutely right and fake. They would not only
rewrite the treaty print sibles, that would rewrite the treaty itself.
And that's unilaterally rewriting a treaty without the agreement of
the treaty partner, which is Mari.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
How would it rewrite the treaty.

Speaker 25 (01:25:13):
So what they're doing is trying to arrange the Maori
rights of tina rang a tra tungue under Article two
of the treaty. That's the effect of the treaty principle still,
and that means that the right of self determination that
may have in relation to their communities, their properties and

(01:25:35):
their tongu is no longer recognized.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
But is it not recognized in the treaty settlements in
that if you if you retain a piece of land,
if you've given this piece of land back you retain
over it, you do.

Speaker 25 (01:25:52):
But that's the presettlements are very limitive in terms of
the political authority and self determined rights that they grant
to Ewi. So the I think Maori would say that
Tenurunga tara tunger is about much more than that it's
about having the right to be Maori and to govern

(01:26:19):
for your own communities, according to Tea Kunger, and that's
something that they've had promised to them donating or had
guaranteed to them in eighteen forty and that David Seymour
is trying to erase.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
And so under the existing treaty principles, how do we
recognize that right beyond property?

Speaker 25 (01:26:43):
So under existing treaty principles they're recognized through over forty
pieces of legislation, and there's also recognition in the decisions
of the Courts of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
I'm kind of looking for an example of how we
actually use it practically well.

Speaker 25 (01:27:05):
For instance, in relation to the Resource Manment Act, it's
recognized in the Act that the relationship of Maori with
their lands, waters and the resources as a matter of
national importance.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Okay, Now, the thing about it is, Karen, doesn't Parliament
always pass laws that rewrites settled law because that's their job.
They literally pass law.

Speaker 26 (01:27:35):
It is their job.

Speaker 25 (01:27:36):
But the difference here is that we're talking about constitutional arrangements.
So the Supreme Court has said that the Treaty is
part of it has constitutional significance and that's recognized in
the Cabinet Manual as well, that guides the way executive
government makes decisions. And what we're saying as you can't

(01:28:01):
just rewrite the Constitution of New Zealand without having a
proper dialogue about it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
But it's not actually the constitution of New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Is it.

Speaker 25 (01:28:14):
As part of the unwritten constitution? Absolutely, that's what we're saying.
The treaty is recognized not only in our law, but
it's also part of the constitutional arrangements.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Okay, So if we accept that, So what do you
need to be able as a group of people in
twenty twenty four in the country. What the threshold and
what threshold can we adjust our constitutional documents?

Speaker 25 (01:28:40):
Well, if you're talking about changing the treaty, then we
would say it's fundamental that you have to engage with
Muori because they're the parties to the treaty along with
the Crown.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Okay, So just to be fair, right, we're not changing
the treaty, we're changing the interpretation of the treaty. And
even even at that point, because you believe the treaty
is a constitutional document, you need to in order to
do that engage with the other signatory.

Speaker 25 (01:29:07):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
When the courts made their decisions that have led us
down this path that take us to where we stand
with the treaty principles, did they engage at every turn
with the other signatory. But what I'm trying to get
to is why can the courts interpret the Treaty on
our behalf but Parliament can't.

Speaker 25 (01:29:32):
The courts interpret the Treaty on our behalf because Parliament
has incorporated the Treaty into a range of different statutes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
And so once again the power lies pariflation.

Speaker 25 (01:29:45):
The power lives of Parliament to pass legislation.

Speaker 10 (01:29:50):
But in relation to.

Speaker 25 (01:29:54):
Matters of constitutional significance, where saying you can't just.

Speaker 21 (01:30:00):
Mendos what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Also saying any elaments what you're saying to me, courts can.
Courts can amend it because Parliament gave courts the right
to by putting it into statute. But Parliament can't do
it itself.

Speaker 25 (01:30:14):
No, I'm not saying that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Oh that's what that sounds.

Speaker 25 (01:30:18):
No, the courts have a role of interpreting the legislation
that Parliament has passed. But where what I'm saying is, well,
what we're saying as a group is when you have
a discussion about the constitutional arrangements of our country, and
we have an unwritten constitution, so it's not as clear

(01:30:42):
as it might be with the American Constitution where it's
written in text. We're saying that that needs to be
a proper, respectful dialogue, not only with Maori, but with
all New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Isn't that what we're doing, Like, isn't that what to
six month select committee processes? It's a respectful dialogue with everybody.

Speaker 25 (01:31:05):
No, because because David seymose gone straight to the bill
and draft of the bill without engaging with the experts.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
But that's how it that's how parliament works. You generally
turn up with a piece of legislation, you have a
discussion at the select committee stage, you amend it to
reflect what everybody says, and then you pass it if
you can.

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:31:26):
Absolutely, And I'm not I'm not saying that that's not
the way that works. That's how legislation has passed. But
we're saying when you have constitutional issues and needs a
much broader conversation, Okay, nationally.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Right, Karen, thank you. I really appreciate you just fleshing
out those issues for us. Appreciated. That's Karen faint Casey
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Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I'm glad you enjoyed that interview on the Treaty Principal's Bill.
I can tell by the Tics thirteen away from seven
and Gale Downey is our UK correspondent. Correspondent A Gail,
Hi there?

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
I mean yesterday justin Welby was holding firm and then
whoop is gone? Did you see that coming?

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
No?

Speaker 29 (01:32:22):
I didn't see it coming, except the fact that the
archbishop in Newcastle was on television and giving interviews saying
he should resign and log behold he now has resigned,
so that that's finally come about.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
But he needed to, Gail, didn't he. I mean, if
you're found to absolutely have not told the police as
soon as you possibly can that there's somebody out there
who's doing bad things to kids, and you're in his position,
it's completely untenable, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Well?

Speaker 29 (01:32:52):
The Independent Review, which has now been published hence how
this has all come about, did say that if the
archbishop Justin will Be and the other church officers had
reported all of this to the police in the UK
and in South Africa, where john Smith was also working
at the time. He could have been brought to justice
at a much earlier point. Instead, he carried on abusing

(01:33:14):
boys while in South Africa until his death in twenty eighteen.
His abuse was first reported back in the UK in
the nineteen eighties, and the review says that those given
the reports participated in an active cover up, so it's
taken a while for this to come out. There was
a television documentary investigation into him in twenty seventeen and

(01:33:38):
at the time the Archbishop of Canterbury did apologize, but
he didn't resign. But now there's been pressure on him,
not just from the Newcastle bishop but from others in
the church as well, and he's now stood down.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Gone right. Why is it that Netwist banking group has
blocked the WhatsApp and the Facebook messenger and the Skype
and all that stuff from the company devices.

Speaker 29 (01:34:01):
Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because they're not
the first to do it. Some government departments have actually
stopped people using these as private ways to contact their
colleagues and talk about business matters. The reason being, of course,
because the problem is these messages via Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApps,
Gype can be difficult to retrieve and they can actually disappear.

(01:34:25):
And of course if you're discussing business matters, financial matters,
that's not kind of open and transparent. If you remember
in the UK COVID inquiry that revealed that WhatsApp messages
have been deleted by government officials and ministers during the pandemic,
including the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson. So NatWest really

(01:34:45):
is going along what a lot of other organizations are
doing and saying, you know, only use approved channels for
communicating about business matters, whether internally or externally.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Gail, it's good to talk to you mate. Thank you
so much, Gail Downey, our UK correspondent. All the King's
Counsels are worried about is that they will have lease work,
maybe because it does make things somewhat are more clear
if you only have three principles as as opposed to
the myriad that we have at the moment. Look, I
think where where where Karen the CAC had a really

(01:35:16):
good argument is that the principles as written in the
Treaty Principles Bill do not reflect the tenor unger Tetatanngua
that's in the Article two of the treaty. That's a
fair point, right, but that's it. And where her argument
falls short is that all of the treaty principles that
we have currently are made up. They are made up.
They're not in the treaty. They're make it upy. We

(01:35:37):
made them up ourselves. Who made them up? The courts
made them up. So why And this is where where
she came unstuck, because apparently it's okay for the courts
to make up some treaty principles, but when the government
is like, no, that's too complicated, get rid of them.
We don't like them. We're going to make up our
own ones. Now. Now that's a problem. So it's okay

(01:35:57):
for this group to make up the treaty principles, not
that group to make up the treaty principles. And frankly,
if I had a choose, and this is where I think, Actually,
what they're up to the cases is they're defending their
patch right because the people of the courts that they
are defending what their peeps are doing, what their tribe
is doing. If I had to choose between who gets
to rule my life the courts or Parliament. I mean,
obviously we need a combination of the two of them,

(01:36:19):
but ultimately parliament. That's how democracy works. Haight Away from seven.

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list of.

Speaker 30 (01:37:42):
Like mofuitness, How did Danny DeVito get in there?

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Quite so, this is how they do it. Ants They
considered each balding man's smile, golden ratio, which is like
how the face works together, perception in the media, vocal
attractiveness height which definitely should have counted Danny DeVito out,
and also shine factor of the head. But then they
also had a look a look at how many people
were searching for shirtless and naked images of this particular celebrity.

(01:38:09):
And it turns out that in the last year, seventeen
thousand people, which worldwide is not a lot, have Google
searched shirtless and naked images of Prince William.

Speaker 30 (01:38:19):
Well, yeah, but Vin Diesel should still win on those criteria.
I can't see how he didn't went on literally all
those criteria anyways, and its palette.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Oh mate, William's Palette's not even that shiny. Carry on.

Speaker 30 (01:38:30):
Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, maybe you did
well on the internet search metric comfort me by she
had to play us out tonight. We've had enough Cold Player.
I think this is really big news she Had finally
breaking up after so many years. This is my favorite
She Had song, which is probably quite controversial because the
Pacifier album isn't really looked on that fondly compared to
their other rs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Is that when they changed their name, that.

Speaker 30 (01:38:51):
Was when they changed them to Pacifier. But I just
think the song is such a banger and it does
actually capture quite well the feeling that a lot of
the Western world had right up after September eleventh, which
is what it's about. And yeah, just superbrocks, I reckon.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
This is my hot take on this, because you're not
full of them already. If you're going to go to
the Shehad concert, you need to go to the one
in Auckland and Spark Arena because they will be playing
with the D four and the D four were a
good time. Do you remember the D four exit to
the city like it's it was a time, and if
you want to see some rock, go to that one anyway,

(01:39:25):
really good sound as well. Enjoy yourself and if you're
going to cold place, stay safe and once again thoughts
some prayers to Helen because it's going to be a
big time news dog. Z'd b.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
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