Full Show Podcast: 13 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find and give the analysis.
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite Mobile News Dogs VLOOM.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Coming up on the show, Education Minister Erica Stanford on
the phonics results, the FUKA pan named Maori Award counselor
on that Maori Ward decision across the country, and we
will get to Israel ahead of the hostages released this evening.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Heather Duplicity Ellen, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Am very happy to tell you that we're starting the
show on good news. In fact, I'm going to rephrase
it and say great news, which is that the move
to the old phonics way of teaching kids to read
is actually working and the kids are learning to read.
The data that's being released right now is impressive. The
Prime Minister and the Education Minister Erica Stanford are releasing
it at the post Cabinet press conference, So let me
run you through it. What this is is data from

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schools that are already teaching structured literacy, which is basically
in a way, it's phonics. This is going to be
compulsory for all schools from next year. Some schools are
already teaching it. And what they do is they take
the new entrance kids, they teach them with the structured
literacy for six months, and then after six months they
test them to see how they're going. Term one this year, right,

(01:13):
So this captures kids who have learned a little bit
with the structured literacy, maybe some other stuff. At the
tail end of last year term one, this year, thirty
six percent to them could read at or above the expectations.
By term two that had become fifty one percent. By
term three that had become fifty eight percent. Now that's impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I do not like ethnic breakdowns because I hate reinforcing stereotypes.
But there are people who are worried about equity with
the role out of structured literacy. So let me rain
you through those number numbers. MILDI kids twenty five percent,
Term one, thirty nine percent, Term two, Term three, it
hits forty three percent. PACIFICA kids it goes twenty seven percent,
up to thirty eight percent, up to forty three percent.

(01:53):
So nowhere in this are you seeing anything but impressive results.
This is not going to surprise any parent who has
tried to teach a little one to read and has
ended up resorting to phonics because phonics works. It will
surprise no one who's read the literature and seen the
results of structured literacy, which is, as I said, basically phonics,
and it will surprise no one who's followed the results
of schools like Douglas Park School in Marsterton, which used

(02:14):
to aim for about forty five percent of new entrants
being able to read at their age. After a couple
of years of structure of literacy, they were easily hitting
sixty sixty five percent.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I know that we give this government grief for not
being bold enough and not doing enough, and I think
that's fair, but this is one example where they actually
are and we will be grateful for this for generations.
And if we only have to take some reform from
this government, given how crucial education is to the future
of our children and our economy, I will take the
reform of reading every single day. Nineteen nineteer is the

(02:47):
text number. Standard text fees apply now to the methane targets.
The government's new methane targets released over the weekend haven't
been universally welcomed. Climate scientists and environmental groups have accused
the government of not being ambitious enough and aiming for
a low target target for political reasons. The government says
the fourteen to twenty four percent range actually has a
basis in science. Now, Nathaniel Mila Milia sorry, is the

(03:09):
director of Climate Prescience and a senior research fellow at
Victoria University and is with us. Now, Hey, Nathaniel, hello head,
how are you? I'm very well, thank you mate. Is
there a good scientist for grounding here?

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Right? So there is good scientific grounding, But there is
a catch to that question. I can elaborate if you're
likely to, please do thanky. So the science that got
the numbers was conducted by the independent Mediane panel and
those people that did that, the scientists are involved in

(03:43):
the last and the current IPCC climate reports. Right, so
they're internationally trusted and they're internationally leading scientists. The calculators
and models they used to capulate the numbers are the
same that are used in those IPCC reports. Okay, So
the science mon numbers they got perfectly valid scientifically. Where

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the politics and maybe some of the lobbying comes in
to it is twofold. It's what questions you ask and
what numbers you want to use when you come out of.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
That such as such as.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
So, the very fact that you can ask the question
of maintaining warming levels or no further warming from me say,
is a scientific thing. It's because the way methane behaves
compared to carbon diark side, if I put a molecule
of metha in the atmosphere, it drops out in twelve years.
So you know we've had cow herds for more than

(04:42):
twelve years, so you can you can still emit me
saying and not be producing warming. You can't ask that
same question for carbon dioxide that comes out of our
exhaust because that stays in the atmosphere for a thousand years.
So every molecule of that does the warmings? Okay, So
where do sorry? So where the interpretation comes in is
also in the results.

Speaker 7 (05:02):
Right.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
So the government had a choice of which results they
wanted to choose, and the methane panel gave them a
range of results based on what the future atmosphere is going.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
To look like.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Okay, so and so would you take issue then with
the fourteen to twenty four percent range and maybe just
like to twenty four percent, No, lower.

Speaker 6 (05:19):
I think I think I would that is what that
is what I would do. I mean, I've championed the
fact that the governments had this review. I've championed fact
that we should be treating methane differently to carbon dioxides,
and especially with our you know, our makeup of greenhouse
gases and our huge dairy sech I think they should
be treated differently because one it's it's fair to farmers,

(05:40):
it's fair to farming families. And two they're so different
in the way in the way they live in the atmosphere.
But I think the government has shot itself in the
foot tier a bit. I think it could have chosen
toosing that twenty four percent. It could have said, look,
we've got the scientific backing here. It probably wouldn't have
It wouldn't have got as much flat from you know,
the left leading side, the environmentalist and it would have

(06:01):
it probably would have made everyone happy and they could
have money.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Daniel, How realistic is it? Because if I'm listening to
farmers who are saying, even achieving fourteen percent the lower
end of the rage, it's actually kind of a bit
of an ask of them, right, So how would they
get to twenty four percent. Realistically, how would farmers manage that?

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Well, I would like to see the government chucking a
whole heap of money towards farming families. You know, these
guys don't have an easy job. It's not a money
for work their farm. So money can go into research
into methay inhibitive.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
But it does, it does, and I love the idea,
but it doesn't solve the problem immediately, does it? So
how do you get the methane down immediately.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
The mean thing down immediately?

Speaker 8 (06:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (06:43):
Well, these targets are twenty fifty targets, so you don't
really need to do things.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right now, Thaniel. OK but do you believe that even
if we chuck money in right now, we would have
the science there for twenty fifteen?

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Yes, I think so. I think the way sites are
our sciences meeting. If you look back twenty years where
we were with science, it's it's amazing. So I have
faced that we can do some cool things there.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, and we can.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
We can spin up the economy with pouring money into innovation.
That's what New Zealand does.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
There also is the reast of the world on board
with treating me in the way that we do.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
The mess of the world is not in the same
position that we are. I mean that the most similar
government to us and environment to us is is Ireland,
and we share a lot of conversations with Ireland. They've
got a big kind of agriculture set and Darry Hurd
and we share a lot of these conversations. And we're
on the sharp end of the sphere here when when
we're using brand new science and brand new thinking to

(07:40):
find out what should we do with our unique makeup
to do these sorts of things. So we haven't really
got a lot of all our countries to compare to
and we're being a leader here and I think the
government could have been a bit more of a leader
in this. I think it's kind of missed that opportunity here,
but which is a bit sad.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Nathaniel, it's fascinating to talk to you. Thanks for running
us through, Nathaniel. Melia Victoria University Senior research Fellow, Heather,
I've been following the phonics argument for thirty plus years.
We had to teach our three kids phonics and we
were told off by the teachers for doing so. But
I wasn't prepared to allow illiteracy. Geez, Gavin, I'm pleased
you weren't. Hey, How good, by the way, can I say,
is the news that came? In fact, it's such good news.

(08:16):
I got a text from Trisherson to say, how good
is this news? She's on the huddle later so we'll
have a chat to her about it. How good is
the news that women can stay in hospital for three
days after giving birth? I mean, let's be honest about it.
It's not the kind of thing that you can announce
without putting money in. Right, So there is already such
a shortage of maternity care that Wellington Hospital is trying
to take the toast off women have just given birth.

(08:37):
So you're clearly gonna have to pump a lot of
money in in order for this to be possible. But
if the resource goes in and if they can actually
do this, this is excellent because, as we all know,
anybody who's been a parent, the mother who's done it
and the father who's copped it. In the first few days,
that's hard. It's hard. It's hard on your body, it's
hard getting you, it's hard on your body, it's hard

(08:58):
on your nipples, it's hard on everything. Are getting used
to it. The sleep is what you want to be
is around a bunch of other women who've had babies
before who can tell you everything's okay. So this is wonderful,
as I say, talk to Trish about it when they're
with us later on sixteen past.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
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Speaker 1 (09:14):
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Speaker 2 (09:21):
We know something won't work when someone says the answer
is to simply chuck a whole lot of taxpayer money
into it gin as a fairport, I thought, also, what money,
because there's a bit of a shortage of that at
the moment. Isn't it full nineteen.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Good Sport with tab in play bed with real time
odds and stats are eighteen bet Responsibly.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Jason Pine Sports talk hosters with us, Hello Piney, Hello Hei.
You enjoy Bathhurst.

Speaker 9 (09:42):
I absolutely loved it.

Speaker 10 (09:44):
I absolutely you love about it, just the just the drama,
just the theater, just the rain coming down. And I
was thinking to myself, it's hard enough getting home, isn't
it in the rain when the wipers aren't really working
that well and there's cars all around and stuff's getting
slashed up and you' and I can't really see, and
that's sort of sixty k on the motorway or slowing down.

Speaker 9 (10:04):
These guys had them two hundred and thirty. They could
hardly see that.

Speaker 10 (10:08):
I mean, split second decisions, small little movements of the
steering wheel can spell disaster. I just thought the theater
of it was incredible. And have a ki we come
out on top even better.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Now, So Matt Pain won? Did I read somewhere? He
came in second and one?

Speaker 10 (10:23):
That's right, Yes, there was. The guy who crossed the
finish line first had received a five second penalty for
making a legal contact with another driver with about four
or five laps to go, So.

Speaker 9 (10:34):
Matt Pain would have known that.

Speaker 10 (10:36):
He would have known that he could let Golden go
and just finished within five seconds of him, which he
finished within about second of him, So he knew that
he didn't have to cross the line first, He just
had to be within five seconds of Golding.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh excellent stuff. Now what did you think of the
All Black squad? Were you expecting it to be freshened
up a wee bit?

Speaker 10 (10:52):
Only if there wasn't an All Blacks fifteen squad being
named tomorrow. I thought if that wasn't going to happen,
because another thirty players are going to be named in
the All Blacks fifteen tomorrow to up to the Northern
Hemisphere and play a couple of games up there, only
a flight away from where the All Blacks will be.
If that hadn't been happening, I would have expected more.
I thought they might have perhaps taken taken Kyle Preston

(11:13):
is the third half back instead of Finlay Christie. I
thought they might have perhaps moved on from Severa Reese,
but both Reese and Christi are there. Like I say,
there were. You know, I don't think anybody played their
way out of the team necessarily in the Rugby Championship.
It'll be very interesting to see how they how they
manage the All Blacks with the All Blacks fifteen and
if any player makes the transition across during the four

(11:34):
test matches on the Northern Tour.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, piney, thank you very much. I really appreciate time.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's Jason Pine's sports talk host Heather shut up. Next thing,
the teachers will be wanting more money, lols. They wanted
more money before these results come out, so that's not
new Actually, by the way, I do need to tell
you thoughts and prayers to the teachers or not the
teachers actually bug the teachers thought some prayers to the
parents who are dealing with the rolling strikes this week,

(11:59):
because it if you realize it, But yeah, secondary school
teachers are doing it again and intermediate so teachers are
refusing to teach year sevens and nine's Tuesday this tomorrow,
then year eights and tens on Wednesday. Then they're refusing
to teach the year elevens and twelves on Thursday, and
then they're refusing to teach the year thirteen's on Friday.

(12:21):
Then they're going to join the big strike, which is
October twenty third, which is next Thursday. This is the
big strike where apparently everybody goes on strike. Now listen,
can I point something out to you if this hasn't
occurred to you yet, do you know what next weekend is?
As not this weekend, but next weekend? Do you know
what that is? That's right, labor weekend. So what do
you think happens when everybody goes on strike on a Thursday?

(12:42):
Do you think they're going to turn up to I
would love to see the number of strikers on Thursday,
ho turn up to work on Friday, because any rational
person would surely go, I'm striking on Thursday, I'm taking
Friday off and then on Saturday, Sunday, Monday. That's a
nice long holiday, just saying anyway. Then the teachers are
also going to ban extracurricular activity the following week October

(13:03):
twenty nine, and then they're going to have a two
hour nationwide strike between quarter past one and quarter past
three on November five, When is four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicyllen drive
with one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
That'd be Molly Peterson is with us out of Australia
shortly right now. It's full twenty five now. As I
was telling you about the teaching stats right the phonic
stats era, Education Minister Erica Stanford is just holding that
post cabinet press conference right now talking about it.

Speaker 11 (13:37):
My message to teachers is that they have done an
extraordinary job in the last eighteen months, packing up a
new curriculum, packing up a new teaching method and running
with it. I've met teachers up and down the country
teaching structured literacy who literally did their PLD ten weeks
ago and are confidently teaching it in the classrooms. They
have done a herculean job, and we owe them a

(13:57):
huge debt of gratitude because in the end, I didn't
teach a single kid to read, neither of the Prime Minister.
It was all of those teachers on the ground and
hundreds of classrooms across the country.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Jeez, she's good. That's why she's Prime ministerial material in
the eyes of some people. Ag she's not still not
loving the strikes though.

Speaker 11 (14:14):
We want to be at the table and we want
to make sure that those children who are going into
exams aren't going to be missing out on the final
few days that they have with their teachers before they
sit their exams or sit their mock exams which they
get their derived grades from that they're in class with
those teachers, and unfortunately we haven't been able to get
to that position. But it's not through lack of trying

(14:35):
and good faith on our side.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, all right, we'll talk to her after five o'clock. Listen,
just on the release of the Israeli hostage is. The
deadline for that to happen is ten o'clock. This evening
has got a little bit tense. In the last twenty
four hours or so, Hamas has been demanding more serious
criminals be released by Israel. They've got a couple that
they really love, a couple they are like real good
murdery types that they're quite keen on getting out. Israel

(14:59):
is obviously reluctant to let these people out because that
murdered people, but also because they're bits of kind of
role models. You know, they might insight get a few
other of the Hammask guys whipped up into doing this
nonsense again. Anyway, Hamas has accused Israel of changing prisoner
lists and stuff like that, so it's getting a bit
bit tense. But as far as we've heard publicly, everything

(15:19):
sings on track for those guys to be out by
ten o'clock. Will keep you posted right now.

Speaker 12 (15:23):
News is coming up, cutting through the noise to get
the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's Heather duplously Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
They'd be.

Speaker 13 (15:50):
Cherry.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
So it's going to be with us in ten minutes
time now, Marty Woods, that was obviously one of the
things that we were most interested in. After the local
government elections at the weekend, most of them are gone,
so there were forty two of them that had been established.
Had to take it to a referendum. Seventeen different local
bodies decided that the rape haers voted to keep the
Maori wards, twenty five voted to get rid of them.

(16:13):
Both sides, I think will claim victory on this one.
So I think if you wanted to keep the Maori awards,
seventeen is actually a respectable number to have kept them.
If you wanted to get rid of them, well, twenty
five is a bigger number, so you'll be pretty pleased
about that. And if it hadn't been for the government's
law change forcing the referendum to come back, we would
have had forty two. Anyway, we're going to talk to
Tony Boynton, who was the Fatani Maori Ward counselor after five.

(16:36):
Right now, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
So we're expecting the remaining hostages to be released by
Hummas in the next few hours. US President Donald Trump
is on his way to Israel for the signing of
a peace deal between Israel and Hummas. Here's a retired
IDF spokesperson.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
A very emotional day here in Israel, and I think
around the world for everybody who cares about freedom and justice.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Over and Assie, there's been a major backdown from the
labor government. They've abandoned plans to tax unrealized superannuation gainskis
the Treasurer Andrew Chalmers.

Speaker 14 (17:09):
The change in the calculation from unrealized to realize gains
is just one of half a dozen changes that we
are announcing today, still to satisfy the same objectives, but
to do that in another way, taking into consideration all
of the feedback that we've received over the course of
the last two plus years.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
And finally, police in Ohio have successfully apprehended a giant
runaway inflatable pumpkin. The pumpkin was part of a big
Halloween display and began rolling through town after it broke
loose from its moorings. A police officer was able to
catch it with the help of a member of the public.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business Olli.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Peterson six pr per Life Presenters with us Alloi Heather Good.

Speaker 15 (17:53):
Afternoon from the wrestling capital of the World.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Perth, Wa, what's happened?

Speaker 15 (17:59):
We had John Cena on the weekend. He's fifth last
match of all time. And guess who I sat behind?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Who?

Speaker 12 (18:04):
Sonny Bill Williams?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh did you?

Speaker 15 (18:06):
Indeed had a good chat to Sonny Bill Williams. And
the Prince of Malaysia was here too.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh that's flash. So were you guys in the same
corporate box?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well we weren't.

Speaker 15 (18:16):
Actually were in row one and Row two, so are
ringside seats Sonny Bill? And I thought he might take
down Roman had like a little band about the Bledderslow Cup.
I asked him actually rugby union or rugby league and
unions of World Games and told.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Me did you?

Speaker 9 (18:31):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Then ask him if he's signing up to R three
sixty or if he's had had it?

Speaker 15 (18:35):
I think he might even be a little smokey, had
a little wrestling career.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh okay, do you know what I'll tell you without
a word of a lie. I didn't realize you were
a big enough deal to be invited to Row one
or two.

Speaker 15 (18:47):
It's a small player. It's a really tidy place. It's
a little bit bigger than New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
But still tidy. You're a good sort, Ali, Hey, listen.
So Labour's trying to pretend it's not making it and
he said there's just a bunch of changes, but it's
not just a bunch of changes.

Speaker 15 (19:00):
And Jim Chalmers has been rolled on this that the
Prime Minister has told him to back down on what
he's big changes were.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
To suit he can sort of, you know, walk and che.

Speaker 15 (19:10):
Gun at the same time and all of a sudden
say things out the side of the mouth.

Speaker 12 (19:13):
This is a win for common sense.

Speaker 15 (19:15):
Jim, you plan to go a lot harder, a lot further,
and to be blunt, if you had the political will
or backbone to do it, you would. Because Labor is
in such a commanding position in Australia at the moment, Header,
they're probably going to be in front of the two
or three terms.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
So if you wanted real reform, you could have.

Speaker 15 (19:31):
Gone a lot harder than you have here. So how
it will work, what's changed is it means he's dumped
this target of unrealized capital gains and the revised key
elements of the policy. Now, the original plan was for
the treatment of unrealized capital gains and to not index
a three million dollar threshold. But what it will do
instead is have a two tiered structure only apply to

(19:53):
realize gains, so dividends or interest for example, not the
paper increases the asset values. And in the end they're saying, lo,
this is a win, particularly for working Australians, and it's
a win for everybody.

Speaker 9 (20:03):
There's nothing to see here.

Speaker 15 (20:04):
So of course all the superannuation accounts that come out
Eybone say it's great, it's wonderful.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
So as bad as it's going to be, but he
still make it changes.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, Now what's going on with Quantus.

Speaker 15 (20:13):
Well, Quantus has now had all of it's six million
customers data released on that dark where they're going to
be facing some scrutiny and that the Minister responsible, Tony
Burkhome Affairs and Cybersecurity Minister, says they will be held
accountable for this. Now, Contus isn't alone. You've got forty
odd worldwide companies. We're talking about Disney Ikea where this

(20:35):
hacker group scattered lapses dollars, hunters stole more than a
billion records of that customer data. They put it online.
Quantus didn't pay the ransom. They're obviously trying to navigate this.
But anybody who's had their data stolen, Look, we probably
all unfortunately had our data stylen with lots of different
hacking circumstances. Now he just had to be extraordinarily vigilant,
whether it's Quantus on the other end or somebody else
who's just trying to pinch him money or pretend that

(20:57):
they're obviously the airline. I'm a member of Cottice, and
I have noticed a lot more activity, to be honest,
but I get lots of scam calls and text messages anyway,
regardless because you're.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
A big deal. Hey have you got your kids any
of those Bluey Christmas coins?

Speaker 15 (21:12):
I tried to like, this is how nuts Bluey is, right.
I missed out on the first round of the coins
by going to the post office.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
They weren't there.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Now they want to ballot that.

Speaker 15 (21:21):
They want to ballot for these Bluey Christmas coins, So
of course I've gone in there for this Christmas. Tried
to ballot for two coins. It's a one dollar coin
and I'm going to pay twenty bucks for a Christmas
coin if I get it, am I nuts?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yep? What are you supposed to do with the coin?
He's supposed to keep it forever?

Speaker 9 (21:35):
Yeah, just look at it.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Do the kids even know these things exist?

Speaker 15 (21:39):
Not yet, but that's right unless they're listening to you
and I talk right now, this is this is going
to be.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you, but if
I got a coin for a Christmas present, they would suck.

Speaker 15 (21:51):
Well, you know what, the tooth fairy might be looking
at these coins too.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (21:54):
I might have a word of the tooth fairy right
at that age with teeth FOILU.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Justfy a queen with the queen's or the king's face
on it is probably the same and it's gonna cost
you less. Good luck, Oli, it's good to talk to you, mate.
We'll talk to you soon. Oliver Peterson six PR Perth
Live presenter. It's eighteen away from five.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Ether two c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Such a good time made though if they weren't so
like they're just such do goody parents, so just make
you feel stink about yourself the whole time. But otherwise
it's a good time. Hey, so Tory didn't make it
in that's hilarious. I mean this sounds a bit mean
for me, and I don't mean to be unkind, but
old mate thought she was the She's nizzled, didn't she
and she was all big deal and looks didn't win
the Mayoralty, didn't even win the mald Award, and she

(22:36):
definitely opted for that because she thought it was going
to be easier anyway. So Tory didn't make it back
in Jamie Lee Ross remember him try to run in Howick?
He didn't make it back in Mark in it All,
Mark krys All from TV and Z Random White to Matar,
he didn't make it in Anne Bartley Burton, who is
the Champagne cat lady from the Real Wives. You know
who I'm talking about. She didn't make it in anyway.

(22:58):
The reason I'm telling you this is because of two
own out name recognition. Isn't the be all and end
all like we all thought it was anyway, So that happened.
But also the police had to be called to the
voting booth and on he hung us. So what happened?
So you know, the cutoff was at noon, which is
a weird time to have a cutoff, right, but if
you're standing in queue already at noon, you do get
to vote. But one of the local board members didn't

(23:20):
realize this, Debbie. Debbie didn't realize this, and she arrived
in the minutes after midday. She went into the library
and she told the staff to stop taking the votes
because it was past midday and these people weren't allowed
to vote. And the staff said no, no, no, no, no,
they are allowed to vote. These are the rules. She assisted,
She said, no, this is not the case anyway. So
what then started doing is taking photographs of people, and

(23:41):
that's when things escalated. Then she started name dropping the
returning officer. Apparently staff told her to leave. She waited
outside the library for some time. She doesn't deny this.
By the way, She's admitted that she took a photo
from the back of the library. She says that she's
never seen this voting happening after midday before she reckoned.
She was in fact the victim of a lot of
abuse and the pl have to be called to it.
So who knew. I mean, most people didn't vote, but

(24:04):
Debbie and the people in that que they were really
into it. Very Soper's next.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
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Speaker 2 (24:12):
Listen, there seems to be a bit of a crackdowns
just across government agencies going harder on collecting money and stuff.
So I'm going to run you through some of that
details shortly fourteen away from five Barri Soaper Senior Political
Correspondences with us Alo Barry Afternoon.

Speaker 16 (24:23):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, So it looks like the old structured literacy is
doing what we thought it would, which is teaching me.

Speaker 16 (24:28):
Like you said, you're editorial. It is much better than
what was anticipated in such a short time because it
hasn't been going that long. It's amazing that phonics has
been phased out from the seventies, eighties and the nineties,
and then we had this new structure that clearly wasn't working.
When you see how behind kids were getting so early figures. Well,

(24:51):
I'll basically say it all and reinforce why the Prime
Minister says change had to happen, and you can't argue
with that.

Speaker 17 (24:57):
The truth is that over the past couple of decades
we simply haven't done well enough. Student achievement has been
on a steady decline and new Zealand's results have fallen
compared to other countries we like to measure ourselves against.
Data from last year showed that just fifty six percent
of our year eight students were at the expected level
for reading and only thirty five percent for writing. And

(25:17):
that's a really sobering reality. So teaching the basics brilliantly
and turning those results around is one of our government's
biggest priorities. In fact, it's one of the most important
things that we can do to set New Zealand up
for long term success.

Speaker 16 (25:31):
It is true, isn't it. You've got to instill the
confidence at a very early age and then they go
on to better things.

Speaker 12 (25:37):
That's all, yeah, what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
But remember these are also just fundamental skills we're talking about,
like how can you even survive in this economy or
in this world if you cannot read properly.

Speaker 16 (25:46):
Exactly or yeah, that's right, read or write it.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's just remarkable. Yet, now, what did you make of
the local body elections.

Speaker 16 (25:53):
Well, I've just seen figures that have come out from
local government New Zealand. Now they probably have done what
I've been counting all the time. And I think we
initially said it was thirty two percent, was thirty eight percent,
which represents though if you ever listened from it, one
point three million votes or almost one point three one

(26:15):
four received from thirty three point four or five million votes.
So the turnout was really so small when it compares
to the number of people that were getting out. And
I think I've got to say that I was listening
to the Prime Minister this morning talking about it, and
I think he hit the nart on the head that
when you go to vote in these elections you have

(26:37):
to read the bio biographies of the candidates because when
I voted here in Auckland, I didn't know half them,
so I had to go through them and read them.
But then that's their own opinion of themselves if you like,
and you've got to then introduce your own opinion, and
if there's got to be a better way of local

(26:57):
body elections, and he's is he's in favor of looking
at doing otherwise like electronic, like the internet, like using email,
and that.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
It doesn't But that doesn't solve the problem, does it, because.

Speaker 16 (27:10):
We don't have any polling boots at the moment.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
But it doesn't solve the problem because whether you vote
by post, or whether you vote in person or whether
you vote via the Internet, you're still having to vote
for a bunch of numpties you've never.

Speaker 13 (27:21):
Heard, don't.

Speaker 16 (27:23):
I agree with you? That is the problem that you know,
there are so many people and so many wards, and
when I was voting, I thought, well, I don't know
half these. Yeah, And I guess the problem is that
we don't follow local body government enough as people. We
don't look at our counselors, who arguably are probably more

(27:46):
important to us in many ways. Politicians are well because
you pay your rates.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
And because there are like a thousand of them across
the country, right, so many of them, and there's just
no media resource to be able to cover that much politics,
or frankly, do I have the personal bandwidth to deal
with that much. I just I think we're kind of
it's just too much, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (28:07):
Well, See, I like there's some I agree with you
there totally.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And also if you've got a whole bunch of seats
that are uncontested, we just clearly.

Speaker 16 (28:15):
Have too much true democracy. No really, but I like
the Western Westland District Council mayoralty. It's come down to
four votes. One of them is an eighty two year
old transgender woman by the name of Jackie Grant. Now
she's the most amazing person. I wouldn't had a look
at her. She's at the moment ahead of the incumbent

(28:37):
Helen Lash. Grant has been living as a transgender woman
since nineteen seventy one. She came to New Zealand from
Australia basically because she wanted to feel safer and I
guess you can imagine what the Australians are like well
in those days of transgender woman, I think they wouldn't
be markedly different from what kiwis were. But she moved

(29:01):
to New Zealand and the early seventies and she basically
fostered many, many children, more than seventy five I read.
So she's a very interesting candidate and a what a
good woman at eighty two to be standing for politics.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Brilliant Barry, Thanks very much, Barry So for senior political correspondent.
Nine away from.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Five started your day, Entiteen. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (29:27):
Time was irresponsible in offering those sort of odds or
suggesting too, because here's what I know about Bathurst. As
I watched that race yesterday. There is no way in
God's earth that you can pick anybody to win that race.
Is form is irrelevant. The top ten shootout is completely
and utterly irrelevant. You look at Kostecki. He went round
there better than everybody. Reminded me of the twenty seventeen

(29:49):
lap that McLachlin did. Kostecki was there for all money,
and yet as car blew up and he ran it
into the wall and someone went up his back pipe,
and the whole thing was a disaster. The number of
things that happened in Bathos back tomorrow at six am
the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News talk zib.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
By the way, just on that transgender mayor that Barry
was telling us about not I don't know that he
mentioned this. If she gets, if she wins, is possible,
she made she wins. She's the country's oldest mayor at
eighty one, he says eighty two. But I think he's
just you know, he does that with women. He just
adds age. She's and what I like about her is
her I can see why she got elected. I like
her attitude. She said, being her age and transgender was

(30:28):
probably fairly unique. Most people my age are getting ready
for a ride on the Zimmer frame, she said. She
also said, I think people in Westland are more interested
in what's between my ears than what was between my
legs fifty five years ago. Also runs a sock shop,
So I mean that in and of itself was fascinating.
Who knew that there was enough business to support an

(30:49):
entire shop that sells socks? And she also, by the way,
as if that's not enough, co founder or founder of
the Sock World Museum in Hokitika, Nuff said, anyway.

Speaker 19 (31:00):
I'm always losing socks here. I'm always having just the
one by themselves.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
But then you just wear it with another one that
you have by yourself. I've seen what's going on.

Speaker 19 (31:06):
Not everyone can do that, though. Some people have jobs
where people are they fancy.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
And some people have standards. Welcome back, ads. ADS is back,
as has been Japan for a very long time, and
we have missed ants dearly and it.

Speaker 19 (31:21):
There as well.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and it's just a delight to have us him
and all of us were weird sarcasm back. So anyway,
you'll welcome back, and it's just going to brighten your day.
As you hear from him. Now, the government I was
going to tell you about this. Government agencies appear to
be going harder on getting money back that they're owed,
and I'm on board with this now already you know
ID is going harder on the student loans of people

(31:41):
arriving and getting arrested at the border and stuff. And frankly,
if you've been taking the mickey that long, I'm okay
with you getting arrested at the border. Now they're going
harder on the tax they even some of those taxes
it hasn't been paid for five years. They've just taken
it straight out of the bank account, which I'm also
on board with them. We're going to talk to Tony
Morris about that. He's from IOD. He's going to be
with us on twin minutes time. And then you've got

(32:02):
the bailiffs who are chasing the overdue fines. They're the
ones are turning up at the police checkpoints with the
scanners and then the scanning the old number plates and
they're finding out what's going on here. Get a load
of these numbers. They scanned sixty eight thousand number plates
in just the space of a few months. Found nearly
one thousand people who owed court fines or reparations. Two
hundred and eighty of them just paid right there on
the spot. They had the money, they just didn't want

(32:23):
to pay it, paid right there on the spot. One
hundred and twenty seven of them established a payment arrangement,
one hundred and fifteen had their cars seized, forty five
had their cars clamped. Sixteen of the cars have already
been sold off at auction so people could get their
money back. Another fifty two are going to go under
the hammer shortly, and thirty one people have paid to
avoid their car being sold. That's what happens with a
bit of tough love, and I'm into it, so as

(32:44):
I say, iid on the money part of it. Shortly,
Nikola willis on all of it, just the general going harder,
which I'm into. After six o'clock, as per usual, Newstalk's eb.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Final is at arning. Isn't it Something made bad in
the middle, learning.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Little, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's
Heather Tuo, pericl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
New Stalks haid.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Be afternoon, looks like we have a turnaround and kids
being able to read. The government has just released data
on the impact that structured literacy is having on new entrants.
Back in term one, just thirty six percent of them
could read at or above expectations. That went up to
fifty one percent in term two, and in term three
it's hit fifty eight percent. Erica Stanford is the Education Minister.

(33:47):
High Erica Hike. Were you expecting the change to be
this immediate?

Speaker 11 (33:53):
I was hoping that it would be. I've seen results
from schools who had gone out in advance and been
doing structured for a while, and they had phenomenal results.
But we were rolling this out at scale to tens
of thousands of teachers and thousands of classrooms across the
country and to see it drive up so quickly is
just phenomenal, and it's actually it's quite an emotional time

(34:16):
for every one in my office. I even made one
of my deputy secretaries cry.

Speaker 20 (34:19):
When she saw the results.

Speaker 11 (34:20):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Just really invested in it.

Speaker 11 (34:24):
Oh massively, of course we all are. We've been thinking
about this for so long. In opposition, I spent so
much time in classrooms and talking to teachers and learning
about this science of reading and the reading wars and
phonics and what it meant, and then developing policy and
then implementing it and resourcing it and backing our teachers.
And I said them there in the stand up today,
I didn't teach a single kid to read. That was

(34:45):
all of the teachers on the ground who have actually
put this into action, And I owe them a huge
debt of gratitude.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Now, I would imagine that these numbers will only get
better as we go on further. The thing is completely
compulsory from next year and teachers really start to understand
how this works. Would you expect that too, Well.

Speaker 11 (35:00):
It's compulsory from this year, but we are still training
our teachers. We've done about eighty percent of our year
zero to eight teachers, so in most of our year
zero to three, So it is compulsory this year. But
you're absolutely right. As teachers become more confident and capable
with explicit teaching and the new curriculum and structured literacy,
the results will get better and better and better. And

(35:22):
we see that overseas ording their results.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Where are we aiming? Are we aiming at eighty percent?
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well?

Speaker 11 (35:28):
I need eighty percent. I want eighty percent of kids
to be at curriculum by the time they go to
high school. But with our phonics check data, I've got
higher aspirations and I'd love us to get to about
ninety percent. I know the UK got to pre COVID.
I think they were sitting about eighty five percent. It
dipped during COVID, but they're heading back up again, so
there's no reason why we can't be up there as well.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
While I've got you, how do you feel about the
secondary school teachers with the rolling strikes this week.

Speaker 11 (35:53):
I think it's deeply unfair for students who are about
to sit the final exams that they have been getting
ready for you, and who need those teachers in their
classrooms for that last minute revision. This is disrupting not
only that last bit of time they've got with their teacher,
but also a lot of their mock exams that they'll
get their derived grades from. It's really disappointing that the

(36:14):
union never took the offer to their teachers before they
decided to go on this strike. That's what's so disappointing.
I know that teachers want the best for their kids.
I'm just not sure about the unions.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Erica, thank you very much, Erica Stanford. The Education Minister.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Most of the country's Maori wards are set to be
scrapped after local referenda were held over the weekend. Seventeen
of them are going to remain in place. One of
the districts that voted to actually retain their Maori seat
was Pakatani District Council and Tony Boynton it's one of
the Maori ward councilors there. Hi, Tony.

Speaker 21 (36:45):
Oh cure to Heather, mahit to you. Mahit to you
as a working mama as well as a toddler. So
thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Thanks Tony, I appreciate that today actually very much. I'll
tell you why later on. Do you see this, by
the way, as a good result. Are seventeen of them
staying well?

Speaker 21 (37:01):
I think first of all, we have to say that
having the referendums in the first place.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Isn't a good thing.

Speaker 21 (37:08):
I mean, first off, the reason why it was removed
in twenty twenty one is because it was discriminatory against Marty.
But overall there were four hundred thousand votes nationally in
favor of Marty Wards compared to two hundred and sixty
thousand that we're against. So there is a big shift nationally. However,

(37:32):
we have to deal with the tyranny of the majority
when it's divided down into the district.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, but the tyranny of the majority is just democracy,
isn't it? Will We all feel it from time to
time the minority.

Speaker 20 (37:43):
One.

Speaker 21 (37:44):
The thing is is that we know that that means
that the majority gets to decide what happens to the minority.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, that's democracy.

Speaker 21 (37:52):
Well, that's not a bad thing, and it's.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Called losing the vote anyway, you.

Speaker 21 (37:57):
Won the vote, Y, We have democracy and of the
councils themselves being able to decide that, and that was
quite emphatic. The councils themselves made that decision, and that
decision was taken off them. I mean, if they're elected
by their constituents, that's democracy, right, and they're elected to
be able to make those decisions, and that decision was
taken away from them.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Tony, is am I right in thinking that every six
years councils review which wards they've gotten, whether they need
to add or remove wards. Is that right?

Speaker 21 (38:26):
Yes, that's correct, And so you have situations where you
have rural wards and you might have other urban wars
that might be established.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Now none of.

Speaker 21 (38:36):
Those wards ever will face a referendum, only Mardi Wards.
And that's where you can say, oh, democracy plays a
part in having a referendum, but however, it's not fear
that no other ward gets to face that, only Marighty Wards.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
But what I mean is in about six years it
is entirely possible that this could be reviewed and Marti
Wards could make a comeback in some of these council
these council bodies right.

Speaker 21 (39:01):
Well, definitely, But I mean there's a whole process that
has happened within those districts and what we have seen
is that those who won their Maori ward's referendum were
quite emphatic in the amount of difference of numbers that
they won it by. But also those who those districts
who voted against the margins were quite small. And what

(39:24):
that means is that people from the ground, with very
little resource have done a lot of work to be
able to shift a whole community.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Tony, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
Tony Boynt and fuck Dani Maori Ward Counselor thirteen past five.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Ever do for Cee Ellen her.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Best work yet great results with PHONICX. Congratulations Erica. I'll
tell you what I reckon. That's absolutely I would crack
out a brew, wouldn't you?

Speaker 16 (39:48):
For that?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I think that's worth having a drink or two over.
Trump is on his way to Israel. Looks like he
should be landing in about two hours two and a
quarter hours or there about a half y seven hour
time and is then going to address the Israeli parliaments
with just how the timings work for this evening, He's
landing seven thirty New Zealand time. He will then go
to the Knesset and then the hostages should all be

(40:11):
out by ten o'clock. Now Sky News is reporting hostage
released to start imminently. If that is the case, I mean,
you know, I suppose these things can take a long time,
so you probably want to get started earlier so that
you're done by ten o'clock. So we will keep you
across all of that. And yeah, I'll explain to you
why being maheed for being a working mum means a
lot today. That's not me crying, by the way, that
sounded like a cry. That was a laugh fourteen past

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Speaker 3 (41:26):
Like home, Heather do for see Allen Yeah the.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I'm
a teacher and if I had my way, I'd be
there every day. I don't mind callback days either. The
union and some teachers have no idea what it means
to work normal hours. From anonymous five eighteen. Now, it
turns out Inland Revenue is going hard on collecting outstanding
tech attacks to the extent of taking money out of
bank accounts. Seventeen million bucks has been recovered from more

(41:50):
than eight thousand bank account deductions so far, and Tony
Morris is Inland Revenue Customer segment leader. Hi Tony, Hi,
Heather how av Yeah, thanks very much for joining us.
How many time do you try to get in touch
before you start making these withdraws.

Speaker 8 (42:04):
In this particular case, we're going to have a couple
of goes. We'll have a first call, then leave a message,
and we might try one more contact and then we
can look to take the money straight out of the
bank accounts. But that's in this campaign we're doing. But
other times we might just contact people once or twice
and then take money out of their accounts.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And this is not like to be fair, this is
not your average debt like this is this is debt
that's been owed for six months to five years, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (42:31):
Yep it is. And you know, it's all sorts of
different sizes of the debt we get, but largely at
this time we're focusing on GST and PA WAY and
employer debt. But it's something that we use usquite often.
And with individual customers we often can take money out
of their wages, go to the employer, take money other wages.
But in this case, in the businesses, we tend to

(42:52):
go straight to the banks where we know there's money
in their bank accounts.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
What's the largest amount you've taken out?

Speaker 8 (42:58):
And one off, I couldn't tell you exactly what the
amount would be, but we can take quite sizable. So
depending on how much money they've got the got on
the deck, how do you strike.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
To balance there, Tony, Because I mean, you obviously don't
want to clean out everything because it might it might
it might have you know, quite negative consequences. So how
much do you take out?

Speaker 4 (43:16):
We will we.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
Generally take one hundred percent of that love to take
out a hundred percent of the debt. Yeah, so in
some cases that might be pretty close to all the
money or more. But I mean again, we've tried to
contact the people fest and all we want them to
do that to get in contact us with us so
we can set up some installment arrangements. But yeah, we
do tend to look at the amount of tech. So

(43:37):
that can be whether it's a smaller amount, you know,
down the teen grand, or whether it's a bigger amount
where we will look to take what we can.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Now, how did we get to the point where we
have debt that's that's five years old? Is this is
this specific? Like did we go extra softly during COVID
or is this kind of normal?

Speaker 8 (43:54):
Yeah, we did go We did go soft Durnk COVID
just to try and keep people going so the deck
can grow. But we've always had it where deck can
grow and go past five years. Sometimes it's just extended
times that people get in debt and we might set
up and storming arrangements and try to help them through
and then it all just falls over towards them. And

(44:15):
we've fun too that debt sort of gets past two
years old, it sort of becomes hard for people to pay,
you know, and it almost becomes that it just sort
of grows with interest in penalties and sometimes once we
get past that too, you know, we're really looking at
and solvent to your liquidations, which can take some time,
but it can't get up to five years or more.

(44:36):
But in this case the three can see people have
the money and their pinks. We'll still to go after
up to five years.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Interesting, Tony, thanks very much, appreciate it. Tony Morris, Inland
Revenue Customer Segment Leader. We'll talk about this a little
bit later with Nikola Willis when she's with us after
six o'clock. It's five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Hey, the Dubis, the Eland drive
with one New Zealand haand of power of satellite mobile
the new saw said the hither.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I'm a primary school principal who is part of a
separate union, not striking and choosing to stay at the
negotiating table and good faith, and as a result, we
have already been given a second offer to vote on.
Here you go five twenty four. Listen. I am more
and more convinced that we need to cut the number
of councils we have across the country. I mean that
voter turnout that we've seen at the weekend was abysmal.
Last count I've seen is that nationally only thirty eight

(45:24):
percent of US voted, worse in Auckland only around twenty
nine percent, so not even one in three of us. Now,
I think anyone who thinks that we can fix local
government by ditching the postal voting system and going hard
with the orange guy and his dog is dreaming. That
is not the problem. The problem is not how you vote.
The problem is who you vote for. I think we
have a complete breakdown in the trust between the voter

(45:45):
and the people that we are voting for and the
authority in general. I mean, you've ootened your booklet right,
surely you had a look at who you had to
vote for. It's over populated by people you wouldn't trust
to mind your pet, never mind run the council. You
don't actually believe that these people are going to make
smart decisions do you or do what they say they're
going to do. You wouldn't even know if they do

(46:06):
what they say they're going to do because there's hardly
any media coverage nowadays and holding and holding people to account.
I think it fundamentally comes down to us simply having
too many local body politicians in New Zealand right, Auckland
alone as one hundred and seventy of these people. That
is more than Parliament has for the entire country. Now
run that one seventy in Auckland across the entire country.

(46:27):
It's like one thousand. We don't have enough media to
cover everything grill than when they break promises. We don't
have enough attention spans ourselves to absorb that much information
on top of everything we're already absorbing with central government.
And so what we do is we just tap out
and we give up and only what forty percent of
us vote. I reckon, what we need to do is
we need to take our sixty seven territorial authorities and

(46:49):
just cut it down. Some commentators reckon we need to
go as low as thirteen. I don't mind. That's a
good starting point, certainly a better starting point than sixty seven,
which equals a what thirty eight percent turn.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Out either duper see Ellen, May you.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Know what, Oh gross, I've got to tell you what.
Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry have been spotted pashing on
a yacht off the Santa Barbara Coast. Now I'm telling
you this because I don't know that there are two
more annoying people who've hooked up with each other. He
was annoying by himself and she was annoying by themselves,
and together they're like a doubling down super couple of annoying. Anyway,

(47:25):
it's just broken because remember they went on the date.
I know, for somebody who dislikes them this, who's irritated
by them, I've invested a lot in this. I just
wonder if they can irritate each other as much as
they irritate me. Anyway, So yeah, because they went on
the dates, and remember the photo was taken in the
mirror and we were like, ah, I just I was like,
that could just be nothing. But no, they've been passing
each other up and he's got his hand on her butt.

(47:45):
So the year go, it's a thing. Anyway, did you
realize that basically all the restaurants nowadays are named after women?
The spinoff has pointed this, so ount this morning and
they put together of the entire list alma Ada, Annabelle's Estale's,
Coco's Cantina, bar Magda, Barceleste, Glorias, Freda Megolis, and Grayln
Daphney's Gigi Joline, Matita, Esther ed Are you convinced? Edie's Lilian, Lilias,

(48:12):
Margo's Saint, Mark's mother, Mama Emma which is Hebrew for mum,
sweet mother's kitchen and Wellington Rita, Auntie, Mena's Loretta, Floridita's,
Margo's Daisies, Mabel's Myrtle, Emma, lou Emmaloo's Rather, Monica's eatery Resina, Rosio,
Grady's Bessie, Edith, Delilah, Francesca's Estelle, and Maggie's. It's true,

(48:34):
isn't it. Everybody's naming their their their restaurants after women
at the moment, So you go, I don't know, should
we be proud of that? Maybe it's just a weird thing,
isn't it. News is next, and then we're off to Jerusalem.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
They'd be sorry that your.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
La Willis is standing by. She's with us after six
o'clock and we also have a huddle with us very shortly.
Tressherson and Richard Hill's of Auckland Council right now. It
is twenty five away from Sex. Now it's one of
the biggest days in Israeli history. It's about seven thirty
in the morning there right now, this is in Israel.
Crowds have already started gathering in the streets ahead of
the hostage released deadline, which is twelve pm their time

(49:24):
ten pm our time. First, Donald Trump is going to
touch down in Jerusalem in the next I want to say,
a couple of hours where he will be greeted by
Benjaminett and Yahoo. Alexander Cornwell is at the Kinnesst ahead
of Trump's arrival and with us right now. How Alexander
you there?

Speaker 16 (49:39):
Hi?

Speaker 22 (49:40):
Yes, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Now when do we expect the hostages to start to
actually be released?

Speaker 22 (49:45):
So the deadline is that they've released at twelve noon
local time, which is just over four hours from now. However,
Israeli media reporting that it could start happening in the
next twenty minutes, and Reuters is reporting that the Red
Cross convoys are on their way Gaza to positions to
collect at least some of those hostages that will be
released today.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Okay, so the involvement of the Red Cross Is this
an indication of what kind of a state these people
are in or are they simply the people who act
as the intermediary.

Speaker 9 (50:13):
Throughout the war.

Speaker 22 (50:13):
When there has been hostage releases, Vita Maas the Red
Cross has acted to collect them, So this does not
necessarily suggest anything about their condition. That's the role they're playing.
They are receiving the hostages in Gaza, and then they
will hand them over to the Israelian military who will
then take them to Israeli territory.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And then at what stage does Israel start releasing the
Palestinians prisoners.

Speaker 22 (50:36):
So Israeli fishers have said that the Palestinian prisoners will
start being released once those living hostages arrive in Israeli territory.
So in the next few hours we should see twenty
living hostages released, mostly the Israeli hostages, excuse me, and
then we should start seeing soon afterwards the Palestinian prisoners
start to being released.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Have we got to the bottom of the niggle that's
been going on in the last day or so between
Hamas in Israel about who should be released?

Speaker 22 (51:03):
No, no, there's been no clarity over that. It seems
that the list is set and it doesn't appear that
it's going to derail the agreement at all. So while
Hamas wanted other prisoners, some more prominent Palestinians, to be released,
it doesn't appear that this is going to break the ceasefire.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Okay, so what does Trump expected to say to the Parliament?

Speaker 22 (51:24):
Trump will give an address in a few hours now
to the Knesset. It's not he hasn't made He's given
a few details about what exactly he will say. He
will talk about peace, he'll talk about and expected that
he will talk about an end to the war. And
he's also expected to meet with families of hostages who
have been released, and even hostages. Now it's not clear
if that would be hostages and families released in previous

(51:47):
instances in the wharf or those being released this morning.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
And then he flies off to Egypt, does he.

Speaker 22 (51:52):
That's correct, He'll be off to Shamel Shaikh, where he
is going to be taking part in an international summer
of world leaders. Is going to focus on the agreement
to ending the war in Gazas.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Good stuff, Alexander, Thanks for talking us through that. Alexander Cornwell,
Ruter's senior correspondent in Jerusalem, twenty two away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your
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Speaker 2 (52:17):
Just to be completely just so that you understand what
Alexander just told us. We're expecting the first of the
hostages to be released six o'clock our time, right, so
twenty two minutes from now, and will keep your breast
to that. With us on the huddle, we have Tris
Sharson of Sherston Willis PR and Richard Hill's Auckland councilor
Hello you guys. Hello Richard, did you win your seat again?

Speaker 23 (52:36):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
I did?

Speaker 24 (52:37):
Go on, do you skyte I got the top because
Desley didn't stand because she was elected unperposed. I got
the highest vote Telly in Auckland and it went up.
I knew you'd love that. Twenty one thousand as of today.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I don't understand. You'll know, you'll know, you know immediately
if that is a significant Is that a big is
that a big margin? Big number?

Speaker 24 (52:59):
Well it is more and last time and we had
a sadly very low turnout, So yeah, I'm pretty happy.
It's exhausted, but back in the office today, so.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, good stuff. Yeah, and have you got anybody new
around the council table? Who's freaking you out already?

Speaker 24 (53:12):
Oh no, there's note not the mayor. Five newbies. The
Mayor's fine. No, we yeah, we've got five new councilors
and we're just gonna work together and make the city better.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
And who did you vote for, Richard?

Speaker 24 (53:24):
I voted with you mean, for mayor, just for anybody,
for anyone?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Well, I voted for Well, I've.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Already been honest about it. I voted for Mark Kreisel
because I know him.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Who is that?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Okay, I'll never mind. Doesn't say a lot, did it?
You did do your vote, didn't you?

Speaker 25 (53:40):
I certainly did. I voted for Mark Kreisel as well,
and actually he was the highest polling independent for the
White Matter local Board, again because I know Mark, and
actually I really thought we need people stepping up to
go for this. So congrats Richard, and you know, anyone
who sits on council, well done to you, I think,

(54:05):
because it's important. But I think on the flip side,
this election signals there is a real problem with local government.
I think there's a couple of things. One is, you know,
when fewer than half bother to vote. You haven't got
a democracy, You've essentially got a raffle. It's just not
it's not good enough considering the amount that local government

(54:30):
rates are now increasingly taking out of rate payers pockets,
and considering the contribution of rate increases overall to our
inflation worries in New Zealand. And I agree with your
point Heather about a structural fix here. If you think
about New Zealand, we're a population of five million, We're

(54:50):
about the size of a big city in a lot
of countries who would have one municipal authority. Now I'm
not saying go that far, but I just don't think
any more we can afford the drag on productivity and
on ratepayers pockets of having so many layers of local council.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
What do you think, Richard, what's the actual problem and
how would you fix it?

Speaker 24 (55:12):
It's a conversation that's going to be longer than the huddle.
But I think there's a few things that one I
know in Auckland, not having a strong meural contest put
a lot of people off, so they said, ah, who cares.
You can see in other areas where there was strong
meural contests, they had far higher turnout. Another thing is
the postal. We lost the vote ten to eleven, sadly
to make it booth voting as well. We thought that

(55:32):
might help a little bit because so many people say
to me, oh, where do we go. I'm happy to
do it, but we're kind of I'm handing out flyers
and people's leaderboxes, and there's chunks of envelopes sitting in
the rain on the ground.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
You know.

Speaker 24 (55:44):
I think the post was antiquated. Most people don't even
know what post is, so I think that would have
helped a little bit if we'd had booth voting. But
I think also it's the candidates and people knowing them.
So yeah, I'll meet a lot of people on the
street of campaign, you know, anywhere I can, and people go, oh,
of because I've met you, of I hope for you,
which is a bit of a worry in itself, but
most people go it looks like a school test, you know,

(56:05):
those tests used to do at primary school.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Don't you think if you have in Auckland one hundred
and seventy local body politicians, which is more than we
have in Parliament, we've got too many, right, there's just
Auckland now you think about the rest of the country.
I reckon what we should do, Richard, which is an
idea I'm going to I started pitching earlier. I reckon,
we cut the territorial authorities from sixty seven down to
thirteen somewhere between thirteen and twenty.

Speaker 24 (56:24):
Yeah, I think you do need you do need the representation,
but it clearly is not working. It's dire like it
does feel pretty depressing seeing those numbers. You can campaign
as hard as you want and then the turnout of solo,
but something structural has to change. Future for local government
study a couple of years ago said a lot of
things that could happen, But I think that people don't understand.

(56:45):
The media don't cover local government like they used to
do in the local paper.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Und Yeah, it's just too much aime and.

Speaker 24 (56:50):
There's not enough money in media.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Absolutely now, Trish, what do you think about that? Structured literacy.

Speaker 25 (56:58):
Massive fans. You know, there's nothing like doing something that
actually works to get results. And you know, when I
came through school, obviously it was very old school structured.
Literally it works. My kids weren't and it was you know,
when I got them home and was trying to help

(57:19):
them with their reading. That was really challenging because I thought, well, actually,
how are you going to memorize all the words in
the English language to try and try and learn. I'll
tell you what I really liked out of today's press
conference where Erica Stanford was with the PM, and I
think this is a mark of Stanford as a minister,

(57:39):
probably what's missing in the government overall. She has real
clarity about what her purpose is and she said, look,
my north star is achievement and reducing inequality, and I
measure every decision I make as a minister. I think
you would struggle to find any other minister who could that.

(58:00):
Maybe Chris Bishop, he's pretty clear. But I think that's
why Stanford is getting results. And the other line she used,
which I thought was fantastic, she said, neither I nor
the Prime Minister have taught one child to read. That's
all down to the teachers and their hard work. And
I thought that is also a mark of her. So yeah,

(58:23):
I think these results are fantastic. And you know, you
can't begin to understand how challenging it is for a
kid to come through school and not be able to read.
It just has such a massive impact on their life,
self esteem, and what happens after they leave school.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Just hobbles them at the start. All right, I want
your take on it, Richard. We'll get it after the
breakouts quarter two. Right, you're back with a huddle, Richard,
Hill's and Tresias and Richard, what do you think?

Speaker 16 (58:51):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I looked at this, this structured literacy thing gave me hope.

Speaker 8 (58:55):
What about you?

Speaker 24 (58:57):
The figures are tracking well, It's hard probably to actually
show the difference between year on year or other factors,
but I think clearly that if it's working, it's important
that kids are getting the better education and learning out
to freadom write. But what I do worry about is
just making sure that the curriculum or the structure is
flexible enough for those kids who don't or can't learn

(59:19):
that way. So, yeah, kids were dyslexic.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
Who a dyslexic?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Good, that's a fair point.

Speaker 24 (59:24):
So you're just got to make sure that you don't
just put a blanket.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You go and this is your kind of starting point,
and in anybody who needs a little bit of something
difference kind of you know, you take them off. But
I think we had it the wrong way around beforehand.
But it sounds good, Trish, I said earlier on the show,
you love the new Mum's and maternity stay as much
as I do. You even text me over the weekend
about it.

Speaker 25 (59:45):
I did, and I'll tell you why. Because when I
had my daughter, she was my second baby, we went
orkand hospital. I may not maybe I didn't listen during
the whole lead up to it, but an hour after
I had her, the midwife said, what do you want
to do now? And I thought, what do you mean
what I'm going to have as a choice between having

(01:00:05):
some breakfast and having a sleep. And she said, no,
you have either got to go to birth care in
the next hour or you have to go home anyway.
My husband and I am Dinard and I said, oh, look,
I'll just go home. He said, I've got some I've
got some work to do, so maybe you should go
to birth care just for the night with a baby.
So that's fine. So you have to get the baby
in the pod, drive across to birth care. We're getting

(01:00:27):
in the room there. I was just nodding off to sleep.
I looked at the baby and I said, that baby
is turning blue. Suddenly the baby was whipped out. Everybody
was running and had I gone home with her, I
would have been there on my own and she probably
would have would have died. So I think she had

(01:00:47):
a little bit of stuff that wasn't suck suctioned out
and she was trusting. Yeah, So so for me, I
just think, you know, that is a really it's a
frightening experience. And I think having had two kids like
it is a big deal for a woman. It's big

(01:01:08):
physically you've got to have time with your new baby
just to get a handle on things, and picking woman
out straight away. I think it's sound safe, and I
think it's unfair on them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, I agree with you. Where do you stand on
this as a dad, Richard.

Speaker 24 (01:01:24):
Yeah, I mean it sounds perfect. It sounds absolutely good
if woman parents want to have that time. I mean
obviously personal choice if you want to leave straight away
all after one night short, but I think to have
that access to professionals when you're extremely tired, you are
potentially a new parent and don't know what the heck
you're doing, I think it's really important. But I think

(01:01:45):
the whole thing relies on the resources. So I've got
family who are midwives and they don't have the beds.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Go on, tell the story right now, Richard. Oh, tell
the story right now.

Speaker 24 (01:01:56):
That's not appropriate for me to know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
You tell it. I'm giving you permission.

Speaker 24 (01:01:59):
Okay. Well, my mother in law was a midwife.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I had the dou for c Ellen, right, so here
I am trish imagine this. I go in and I'm lying,
leagues are timbo, you know, getting ready to have a baby.
She goes, oh, you might know, Richard. I was like,
oh lord, I was like, what goes onto? Her stays
on tour?

Speaker 25 (01:02:19):
And she was like, New Zealand is a very very
small place.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
But this is how I get elected.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I think.

Speaker 25 (01:02:27):
I think it's a bit it's a bit of an
indictment that we've let the service get to this point
where we don't have the resource to look after women properly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, totally. Hey her name is Julia, Yes, now Julie.
I have to say it was so discreet, which I
think is midwives amazing. She was so discreet that I
knew and she knew, but you didn't know until I
told you. She didn't get you on the phone and go.

Speaker 24 (01:02:47):
She didn't tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
She wasn't like I just did.

Speaker 24 (01:02:50):
But yeah, midwife's diod an amazing, amazing job, but they
are understaffed and there is not a lot of resources.
So this will only work if the hospitals and the
house system holds up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Well yeah, I mean if you've got Wellington Hospital wanting
to take toast off mums.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Okay, guys, listen, thank you so much. Are you gonna
go away and celebrate Richard? You're gonna have a beer?

Speaker 24 (01:03:13):
What do you mean today?

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
No, oh no, you celebrated with Wayne yesterday. Yeah, you
had to be with Wayne.

Speaker 19 (01:03:18):
We've got work to do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Now, yeah, now you do the muhi. Okay, guys, thanks
very much. Enjoy your week. What am I saying a weekend?

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Lord?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
What is going on?

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I'll tell you, I am. I've got to explain this
is I forgot to tell you this you and hang on.
It'll explain everything in a minute. Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Zeb heither just to Richard's point about making sure the
dyslexic kids know how to read. Structured literacy is exactly
how dyslexics learn best. My son went through the old system,
which is the whole word world and whole Wordson's. We
spent thousands of dollars in and out of school tutoring
where he out of school tutoring where he learned via
the structured learning method. This is kind of weird. Israeli

(01:04:11):
hostages will receive a reception kit. It's just been it's
just been revealed. They're going to receive a reception kit
that includes clothing, obviously, because I mean that's been two years. Clothing.
Personal items are laptop, a mobile phone, a tablet, and
also a personal note written by Benjamin Netanyahu and his
wife Sarah. It reads on behalf of the entire people

(01:04:32):
of Israel, welcome back. We waited for you, and we
embrace you. Anyway, about five five or so minutes before
the first should be released, so we will bring you
that obviously. Yeah, so what happened because because lovely old
Tony Boynton just after five mehed me for being a
working mum, and I appreciated that. Today because yeah, help

(01:04:52):
us one this morning, guess where I was? I was
in starship with the three and a half year old.
So what happened. He's absolutely fine and the nothing to
worry about. But it's just a working life job, working
mum's life, isn't it. You're there, you're sitting in starship
until half past one, and then you're taking the child
home and then you're doing your day's work anyway, and
you're not complaining about it. What happened was he just

(01:05:13):
had a bit of a lung thing and then he
was coughing, and then got the Plunket line on that
on his own and we went to bed helps nine
and looked at him and I thought, yeah, I don't
like how much you're having to work to breathe. So
I got Plunket line on the phone and they did
a little video console, which, by the way, if you
didn't know they do that is amazing. They say, just
turn the video, just press this link, turn the video
on your phone. They have a look and she was like, Nap,
take him to hospital immediately, and if he turns blue

(01:05:34):
before you get him to hospital, you call a nambo.
I was like, do I have time to pack a bag?
She's like, just pack a bag now, go. I was like,
who anyway, took him to hospital and they've sorted him out.
He's on the antibiotics and he will be fine. Also,
just while I was there, I was thinking, why is
it that we always discover that the children are having
difficulty breathing in the middle of the bloody night. Why
can't we discover this at I don't know, a convenient

(01:05:56):
time like ten in the morning. Anyway, Shout out to
the people at Starship are awesome at what they do.
Right Nikola willis another working mum is going to be
with us straight after this news and choppers are arriving.
In the footage from from Israel, they've got locked off
cameras looking at the various points where their hostages should
be emerging from. So as soon as anything happens, I'm

(01:06:17):
going to get you across it.

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at seven past six, and with us now we have
Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. Nikola Hello, Hello Heather, Hey,
before we get started. Is there a poll coming out

(01:07:18):
with TV and Z tonight?

Speaker 27 (01:07:19):
I understand there is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Is it good for you guys or not?

Speaker 27 (01:07:24):
Well, As we always say, poles bounce up and down
and all around. It is fair to say that this
one shows a different result from other polls that have
been published recently.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
So for this one you start with a three instead
of a two.

Speaker 27 (01:07:37):
I'm not going to comment on it because I take
our obligations to TVNZ seriously and till I've taken that
news to their viewers, I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Well stand by Will stand by now on Chorus, if
we sell the Chorus debt at how much of a
discount are we selling it?

Speaker 27 (01:07:51):
Well, that's exactly why we're going out to explore that
with the market. Essentially, Chorus already obligated to pay us
back lending that the Crown did to them. And what
we're investigating is if we gave that debt to someone
else to manage and we got paid back quicker, would
that be worth it for the crown? So we need
to weigh out what price would we get it for.

(01:08:13):
What could we use that money for today that would
be of value, what extra borrowing would that prevent us
having to do, and what would that be worth overall?
So we're going out to get a bit more information
about what the price would be that we could get
for it, and then we'll make some judgments about whether
we proceed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
What if you I mean, you must have crunch some
numbers to kind of have a fair idea of what
you would tolerate. Would you tolerate? I don't know it
discount as big as thirty percent?

Speaker 27 (01:08:36):
Well, it is a commercially sensitive transaction, so I don't
want to comment on that because I want to get
the best steel possible for the taxpayer, and any comments
I make at this point could foreclose the options. At
the current book value, the securities which we have have
a value of six hundred and forty two million, but
the actual value will depend on the market.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Okay, now, on the family boost nearly half of the money.
It was revealed the weekend is going to families who
earn more than one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. No,
this can't be what we want to do, be putting
money into relatively wealthy families pockets.

Speaker 27 (01:09:08):
Do we well break that down and think about who
are those families. So the thing with family Boaster is
you claim more depending on what level of fees you pay.
So you have to be paying three hundred dollars a
week or more to claim the full entitlement. So families
paying that amount of fees tend to be where mum

(01:09:29):
and dad are both working full time or both caregivers
are working full time, and so therefore they're eligible for
more support because they're paying more than fit in fees.
So it's always been designed to give a little bit
of help to those people who are working hard, paying
huge early childhood education fees in order to be able

(01:09:49):
to work. So that's what the scheme's for. It's for
those battling parents who are out there trying to do
the right thing, working really hard, juggling like crazy, and
then they get hit by big ec.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
This is welfare, right and we just don't have that
much money as a country. We should be giving welfare
to the people who actually can't afford it, and the
rest everybody else just needs to make do, don't we.

Speaker 27 (01:10:11):
Well, this is very targeted support, so to be eligible
for it, you still have to be under household income
over the course of a year, and you have to
be paying those ECE fees in the first place. It
was a cornerstone part of our tax relief package that
we campaigned on at the election, because we said, look,
when we're offering tax relief, we want it for everyone

(01:10:31):
who's working, and we've delivered that. But we're also particularly
sympathetic to parents at that early stage when you're just
set upon by fees, because actually you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Shouldn't be appreciating you should have simply get in tax relief.
Then shouldn't you let people keep more of their tax
rather than taking the tax and then redistributing it as welfare.
It's a rich one.

Speaker 27 (01:10:49):
Well, it's the most expensive time in life when your
kids are in early childhood education because once they go
to school, that's free. But in that early stage when
you've often also got a first mortgage or high rental costs,
where you're actually limited in your ability to return to
work full time, you really get hit by costs. So
we're upfront. We're going to target extra relief at families

(01:11:11):
with young children. And actually when I talk to moms
and dads up and down the country and actually grandparents,
they say, well, of all the times in life, that's
the time to help.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Did you vote in the local body elections?

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
If anybody was going to get away with not voting,
I thought it was going to be somebody as busy
as you. All right, when you opened your book phone, Nicoler,
were your heartened by the quality of the people. Was
there a moment where you thought, oh lord, here we go.

Speaker 27 (01:11:40):
Well look I'm in Wellington, right and so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
So it was oly, here we go.

Speaker 27 (01:11:46):
Well look, I've been up front. What I want for
Wellington is for Wellingtonians not to face the rate increases
that they had in recent years. And what was quite
obvious to me was there was no one really run
a campaign message that was really clearly about that, with
a really clear plant that rage chungs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
But then he got tripped up by the pendulous breasts.

Speaker 27 (01:12:10):
There was that, But also you missed my second bit,
which was and a really clear plan to deliver it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Oh you plan?

Speaker 27 (01:12:15):
Okay, Well, I just think that spelling these things out
really helps. And look where we are. We've got a
new mayor that can only be a good thing that
he's got a clean mandate from the people. We've got
a new council, and I want to work really constructively
with that new council to do good things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Well, given the turnout is so poor, do you know,
I mean, I'm starting to come around to the idea
that we need some structural reform here. We actually probably
need to. We've got sixty seven territorial authority's probably about
a thousand local body politicians across the country, not a
number I'm making up. Do you not think that we
need to cut it right back?

Speaker 27 (01:12:48):
Well, of what I'm increasingly of the view of is
that this whole postal voting thing is too complicated for
a lot of people. It might be about if it
was just turn up and vote, Turn up to the booth,
turn up to the place, just as you do for
general government elections. Because I just have sympathy for the people.

(01:13:09):
You know, you get the letter, or you don't get
the letter, then you have to fill in the papers,
then you have to remember to send them, and that's
a lot of steps in the process, whereas just bowling
up to your local voting place is quite simple. I'm
not in favor of online voting. I think that's open
to all sorts of problems, but I do think that
we should be having another lock at the voting system
as a whole to make sure as many people vote

(01:13:29):
as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Now, I am loving all the government agencies going after
the money that's owed to them or other people, and
the IDs OBUs doing a great job here. But my
question to you is why has it taken so long
to recover debt that has been outstanding for five years?

Speaker 27 (01:13:42):
Yeah, look, it's a really good question. I actually spoke
with the ID about this today, and they made quite
a deliberate decision during COVID not to chase text debt
because they wanted to leave a bit of time for
everyone to get on their feet. But the problem is
we're still paying the price for that some years later.
And at the end of the day, the vast majority

(01:14:03):
of tax payers pay the text they owe by law,
and it's not fair on everyone else if some people
just shirk their obligation. And so ird are now chasing that.
We of course as a government have given them funding
to ensure that they can do audits, they can chase up,
they can do those things because for us it's about fairness.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yeah, brilliant. Hey, Nicola, thanks very much, appreciate it. Nichola Willis,
Finance Minister the Red Cross says the hostage release has started.
So far there is no video evidence, I mean take
them at their word. So far, there is no video
evidence showing that, although we're standing by for that, and
you know the cameras are locked off on Gaza waiting
for it, so as soon as it happens, we're telling
you everything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Quarter past it's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full
Show podcast on my Heart Radio powered by newstalg ZEPPI let.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Me run you through the tvns at Verian poll which
just came out just before National is on thirty four
percent no change, Labor's on thirty two percent down one,
Greens are on a lie even up one. New Zealand
First is on nine no change, Actors on nine no change,
the Maori parties on three down one and the Coalition
made empower on those numbers. So it is slightly different
from what we were quite different from what we saw

(01:15:11):
from the Taxpayers Union Caurier poll last week. Approval ratings
really not This is not good for the Prime minister unfortunately.
These are the approval ratings that how you get them.
You look at the positive and then you duck the negative.
You know how people feel about him, and so his
approval rating is now negative fourteen, down seven from March.
And Hipkins is on approval rating of one, which is

(01:15:33):
down fifteen from March eighteen past six. And Shane solely
harbor asset Management is with us a Shane, I like
you that all right? So what did you make of
the economic data out today?

Speaker 13 (01:15:43):
Yeah, unfortunately is a more self data.

Speaker 28 (01:15:46):
We saw the New Zealand Performance Service and the Extensive
lead indicator for service sector in New Zeon. It was
up to forty eight point three in September from forty
seven point five in July, which is good, but it's
still below fifty. But that means the services sector still
can try acting. Our economy is still struggling. The g
gain in traction net migration for August was a whole

(01:16:06):
four hundred and sixty people, well below the rate of
two thousand seen in June and July. Other side, we're
seeing a little bit of improvement and tourism. Short term
visitors up set and a half percent, and August.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Net was up.

Speaker 28 (01:16:17):
July was also positive. So we are still lagging though
they visiting numbers. We're still at ninety one point of
pre COVID, so meaning that international tourism still a bit
of a drag on the economy. Good news is all
of airline representers is on. They're saying international service is
coming in the next six months. They're going to see
us starting to grow again. So tourism could be starting
to boost the economy again. If we're here, if we

(01:16:39):
look forward twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Months, Wow, what do the market make? By the way
of today's Fletcher Building a quarterly update.

Speaker 28 (01:16:45):
Yeah, unfortunately a bit of below expectations. The first quarter
for Fletcher Building, the light building products were weaker than expected,
so they're slightly better than that fourth quarter of twenty
twenty five. But spectations heavy building, that was the real
hip that was where the materials really dropped away. Some

(01:17:05):
margin Hip two in terms of some things like some
of the retail parts their business things, a bit of pressure.
Fleitcher building are pretty cautious outlook statement from management talking
about market conditions remaining challenging for the rest of twenty
twenty six given this uncertainty of time when they recovery
and residential sector, they have gone another notch in terms
of cost saving. They're now targeting another one hundred million

(01:17:26):
of cost savings with fifty mil in the first half. Unfortunately,
the Fletcher Building ship ice down two percent on the
data three dollars twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
And precing property I announced that new equity capital raise today.
What is the take on that.

Speaker 13 (01:17:39):
Yeah, look, it's actually been taken pretty well by the market.
They're raising three hundred and ten million dollars.

Speaker 28 (01:17:44):
To really help kickstart their three point seven b in
development portfolio. Some of the three hundred mil will be
used to funday six hundred and thirty eight bid purpose
built student accommodation building in Orpen's Queen Street about two
and eighty five mil. Heather was raised institutional investors a
dollar twenty three. It's been pretty well supported. Retell them

(01:18:05):
this is they've got the opportunity to buy into the
Sharp Poogs plan at the same price if.

Speaker 13 (01:18:10):
They own shoes. Before the announcement today. So yeah, big
big day for the new Zealasy marker.

Speaker 28 (01:18:15):
I've watually the market down zero point eight five percent
on a combo of all the above.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Shane, it's good to talk to mate. Thanks very much
for running us through Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management. Look,
this is an update on the hostages. Seven hostages are
with the Red Cross en route home reportedly, and just
to illustrate how emotional this is at the moment on
Sky TV, the reporter has actually choked up speaking about this.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
Andrew, this is the moment we have been waiting for.
Seven hostages with the Red Cross after two years on
their way home to Israel. They are coming home. This
is the beginning of the end of the war. To
see them home shortly. I can't tell you there will

(01:18:57):
not be a try I in all of Israel. There
are hundreds of thousands of people on the streets celebrated.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Yeah, obviously seven out of twenty so more to come.
Keep you posted six twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
The business hour, we're the header do for c Ellen
and mas for insurance investments and Juye Safer and you're
in good hands news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
That'd be as I said earlier, we're going to be
speaking to the Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner in about ten
minutes time. She's written a piece, an opinion piece where
she's basically said, we need the DEI and the DEI
makes everything fairer, but it also makes your business run better.
So we'll just see if we can understand quite how
that works. Is I don't mind it. It's you know,

(01:19:44):
they say these things and I'd love to believe it.
So I'm here to be convinced. Here the read the
local body postal vote. Where on earth do you actually
post the envelopes these days? All the street side postboxes
are gone. Some places don't have post offices anymore. It's
pretty much obsolete. Andy, such a good point. We are
very lucky we have a post office right next to work,
so I don't feel the pain that most people feel.

(01:20:06):
But I mean, the postal thing is dead. But look,
you can't be going to the internet right kill any
idea in your head that the internet is a solution here,
because we there is cyber war going on on a
scale that I don't think that we really understand. In
New Zealand, and Russia and China are going large on this,
and the minute that we did anything like that on

(01:20:26):
the internet, guarantee they'd be in there and they'd be
basically fundamentally undermining our democracy. So we cannot don't even
think about it. We cannot do this properly. In New Zealand.
I mean the other day a guy who went and
took a handwritten notes at a conference for five Eyes
gave the notes to the post office, post shop or
the op shop for us to find it. We can't
even be trusted with written notes, never mind the Internet.

(01:20:48):
So that's not gonna happen. I think it's going to
have to be in person like it is central body.
But as I said earlier, that's only in a solve
part of the problem, not the fundamental problem, which is
that we're being asked to elect numpties who we don't
actually believe will do the work.

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
Six twenty six, Show business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Now as Church Diane Cington, Hollywood legend, passed away over
the weekend, we now have a few more details. Turns
out the seventy nine year old died after a very
short illness and her friends, like singer songwriter Carol Beyer
Saga told press that Keaton's health declined very rapidly. She
became very thin over the past two or three weeks.
She was famous for her roles in the Godfather movies

(01:21:26):
in The First Wife's Club alongside Goldiehorn and Bette Midler,
and then went on to star as Annie Hall and
Nannie Hall, which obviously one of her first OSCAR after
three other nominations, and it's been revealed we wouldn't have
had one of our brightest stars without her influence. Reese
with a Spoon posted this tribute on her Instagram. No,
that's not what she posted. This is what she posted.

(01:21:48):
Dane was really important. She was one of my first mentors.

Speaker 11 (01:21:50):
I was playing this little southern girl.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
And she goes, who are you.

Speaker 23 (01:21:55):
I said, I'm Reese Witherston Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
But she said are you making that up?

Speaker 23 (01:22:01):
And I said, no, ma'am, I'm from Nashville, Tennessee, and
I'm here and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
I'd love to be in your movie. And she was like, well,
you're hired. You're hired today, tomorrow and the next day.
Tributesful Diana have poured out over the last twenty four
hours from stars like Ben Stiller, Steve Martin, Octavia Spencer,
Cynthia Nixon and family. Has also said she was with
loved ones when she passed away in her home. There
you go, right, News is next, and then after that,

(01:22:26):
let's talk DEI.

Speaker 26 (01:22:27):
News talks Evy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
It's hither toothless Ellen with the Business Hour and Mas
for insurance investments and Quie Saber, you're in good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
News talks d be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Kist that a Labor Party Talbot Mills poll comes out
tomorrow and shows Labor and the Left with the numbers
to govern, just to retake the narrative would be the
first time it's happened, by the way, somebody's pointed out
that Chippy has got himself a fresh haircut, and he
does he got a cut for today, maybe I don't know,
maybe for maybe just for it's a Monday. You can

(01:23:26):
turn up with a fresh cup, maybe for the pole.
But it is so fresh that you know it's been
cut today because that hairdresser he's put some gel in
it and he's got he's done a little side parting
and combed. It's very nice. It's a good look. On Chippy. Actually,
Chippy should be doing that on the regular. By the way,
we have Gavin Gray back from his holiday. He's with
us in ten minutes time. It's twenty four away from
seven now. The Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner has penned an

(01:23:49):
op ed in the defense of DEI, which is obviously diversity,
equity and inclusion. Earlier this year, Judith Collins announced she
wants to remove DEI requirements from the Public Surface Act.
Winston Peters has long been railing against it, and both
say that we shouldn't stand in the way of hiring
the best people for the job. You need to stop
putting labels on people. Gail Pachaco is the Equal Employment
Opportunities Commissioner with US. Hey, Gail, Hello, Now I'm fascinated

(01:24:14):
by the fact that you say it's good for productivity
to implement the DEI. How does that work?

Speaker 23 (01:24:20):
Well? As you said, I'm an EEO commissioner, but I'm
also I've been a professor of economics for many years,
and i was a former Productivity Commissioner, So I've looked
at the evidence through all of these lenses, and the
evidence sort of consistently shows whether it's international evidence or
even New Zealand evidence that I've researched that I've led
that DEI policies, when they're embedded into the workplace, they're

(01:24:43):
actually good for ensuring meritocracy and they help with productivity growth.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
How do we know that? How can we measure it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:24:52):
The research papers have worked with data from thousands of firms,
So there's McKinsey data, there's work with thousands firms. There's
Odd data as well, and there's New Zealand data that
we've recently done as well, and that's worked with two
decades of administrative data from across all of New Zealand firms,

(01:25:13):
and in that we find a very clear and positive
link between workplace diversity and productivity growth.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Okay, so done, you've compiled some data yourself.

Speaker 20 (01:25:23):
Have you?

Speaker 23 (01:25:24):
Yes, So we've done data using the administrative data from
the longitudinal Business data frame.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Okay, Now, how do you know that it's definitely about
the DEI.

Speaker 23 (01:25:36):
Well, in this research, so we use econometric methods where
we also control for other characteristics of the firm, so
you can kind of control for things like firm size
or other firm characteristics that might also be related to productivity.
And if you can control for those things and you

(01:25:57):
still find a positive link between diversity, and this matches
with dozens of international studies, that's very clear signal that
DEI is actually good for productivity and economic growth.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
But what is it about DEI that's creating productivity growth?
That's the thing I don't understand. I mean, you've got, sure,
you've got. I mean you get yourself a new staff member,
which presumably is good for productivity anyway, because they are,
you know, excited about the job. But then what about
being a woman, or being brown or you know, being
less able suddenly makes productivity shoot up?

Speaker 23 (01:26:34):
Well, having a diverse range of ideas, diverse range of expertise,
and diverse DEI policies in not themselves mean that you
ensure the best people get to the role. So it's
not just about particular groups getting into roles. It's about
ensuring the best people get to the role, and de

(01:26:54):
policies ensure that you remove some of those barriers that
sometimes might mean the best people aren't getting to the role. Okay,
So well, in the column, I'm focused on sort of
showing how DEI actually supports meritocracy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Okay, So when you did the study, and yet you
saw that there was some sort of a link between
you know, DEI and productivity. Did you have a comparison
group that was less diverse and therefore less productive?

Speaker 23 (01:27:22):
Yeah, well that's what the study does. It looks at
those with lower productivity and the difference that happens when
or as well as those with higher productivity, and looks
at the differences in terms of workplace diversity.

Speaker 11 (01:27:36):
And so it looks at the full range.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Okay, and so how this is going back years? So
you're telling me that for years you guys have been
able to access the data of like whether the employees
are women, whether the employees are brown, whatever.

Speaker 13 (01:27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:27:48):
So the data in the stats New Zealand, the administrative
data on firms allows us to look at firm characteristics.
It also allows us to link with individual information and
you can see the characteristics of the employees by gender,
by ethnicity, etc. And this is data that we've used

(01:28:09):
even in my previous role when I was Director of
the New Zealand Policy Research Institute for dozens of different
projects that were focused on evidence of different policy evaluation,
whether firm level policy, where the labor market policy, where
the health policy, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Okay, Gail, I'm really open to being convinced, but I'm
not convinced yet. Have you got one example, just one
example of this in practice, Like these guys hired a
woman and therefore they were more productive because she did this.

Speaker 23 (01:28:38):
Well, these are averages of course across the ecuntry. But
what's really important, I mean, a really good example I
find to point to is what the public service did right. So,
the public service had a very concerted effort towards DEI
between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty four. In particular,
actually started back in twenty eighteen. And when they had

(01:28:59):
a concerted effort and they introduced requirements for public sector agencies,
for instance, to report on pay gaps, they provided a
lot of concrete guidance on DEI. They provided guidance on
removing bias from reeneration, human resources policies, et cetera. The
impact that had over those six years was immense. Like,

(01:29:20):
the pay gap fell.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Maskedly, the high gaps are not productive.

Speaker 23 (01:29:24):
Ad yeah, well, the pay gap, Well, the data they
had showed the pay gap fell markedly. They also corrected
for salaries of similarly skilled employees in the same or
similar role. So in that race, in that piece of work,
they had really good results in terms of closing the gap.
And I mean the other thing to consider here, Heather,

(01:29:49):
is that you know what our workforce is going to
look like in the next twenty years, So if we're
not tapping onto this talent pool of and ethnic communities,
et cetera, that's not going to be good for our
productivity in the long run. Just from a pure demographic
point of view, Like within twenty years, sixty percent of

(01:30:10):
our workforce are going to be either Mariy, Pacific or Asian.
And if we don't tap into that workforce capability and
capacity now and start building into that now, what is
going to happen to our productivity in the long run? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Gal? Thank you? Gal Pachaco, Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner. Seventeen
away from seven hither dup c Ellen. So on another subject,
the Maori Party hucker from last week made it onto
Fox Tally. So this is a chap called Raymond And
I actually don't know who Raymond is. You might know
who Raymond is if you watch Fox Tally, but Raymond
was on Laura Ingram Show.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
The New Zealand Parliament, which was overtaken this week by
Polynesian war cries complete with face paint.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Hey, non's seeing face paint. There's real tattoos anyway. So
then they play a clip, they have a look to
it and look at it and they chat about it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
That new member, she's a member of this Morari party,
which is an indigenous party there in New Zealand. She
is being examined and they may suspend her as well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Oh wow, okay, anyway, So that's what it's like when
the internationals discuss us. Listen just quickly to what's going
on with the hostage situation. This has just come in.
Seven hostages, as we told you earlier, have been released
to the Red Cross. This is Jeremy Diamond, CNN's Jerusalem correspondent.

Speaker 29 (01:31:26):
We do not yet know what their condition is, but
we do know that here at the Reign Military basis
where they will receive an initial medical evaluation. Depending on
their condition, they will either spend time with their families
here or if there's a sense that they need immediate
medical attention, they will then be taken directly in helicopters
to those hospitals in the Tel Aviv area.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Right that explains the helicopters being there. Gavin Gray out
of the UKs with us shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Whether it's the macro microbe or just plain economics, it's
all on the business hour with hither duplicy Ellen and
to men for insurance investments and Kui Safer.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
You're in good heads.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
There is no data on DEI. Ask her for the
details of the data. The work that I read out
of MIT said that all the DEI proponents are quoting
the same faulty data and then quoting each other. A
true mirt by the way, I've read the same thing.
A true meritocracy will negate the need for DEI. What
we have to do is ensure there's a true meritocracy
without bias. How can anyone ever out before, how can
anything ever outperform having the best kindest regards, Paul, Look,

(01:32:29):
I think where we saw that there. When you press
for actual examples, and then the example is the public
service under just sinder our Durn's administration. You know that's
not an example. That's the opposite of productivity. And then
the measure of productivity is that people get paid more.
That's not productivity. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, unconvinced,

(01:32:51):
and remain thus twelve away from seven. Now Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent is with us now hallo, Gavin Hi. So
star is off to Egypt.

Speaker 20 (01:33:01):
Yeah, he's there and ready to bask in the reflected
glory of Donald Trump. And plenty of people, however, are saying,
why is Secure Starmer going to this ceremony when this
is a deal done between Israel and Gaza and Hamas
and the US. And really we can't quite work out

(01:33:21):
what the role of the British government is, but we
are told that the UK government played a key role
in the Gars of Peace plan.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
The question is what.

Speaker 20 (01:33:31):
Well, in the weekend interviews at the television, one cabinet
minister said, yep, it was a key role we played.
We're really done behind the scenes here in shaping this
deal and it was the right thing to do because
it's in all our interests. However, the US Ambassador to Israel,
Mike Huckabee has reposted her comments and put the tag

(01:33:54):
I'm sure, I assure you she's delusional. She can thank
Donald Trump anytime, just to set the records straight. And
this is, you know, a feeling of some of our
opposition Mpiece were saying, look, there's so much to do
here in this country. Why is our prime minister swaning
off abroad declined glory for something which we can't really

(01:34:14):
work out what.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Glory that is.

Speaker 20 (01:34:17):
And indeed, in some instances back in August to mister Huckerbye,
the ambassador again said that the UK and other European
nations who were declaring a Palestinian state say they are
having counterproductive effects and more than they were probably thinking. Indeed,
Israel's deputy Foreign Affairs minister said that the UK had

(01:34:39):
the opposite of a key role in the piece deal.
Anyway he's there, We're going to look to see what
it's said and what that key role is. But people
are still pushing to find out exactly the role the
UK is supposed to have played.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
How I'm fascinated by diesel Gate. This is kicking off today,
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:34:54):
It is? It starts today. Don't hold your breath, however,
because it looks like we won't get a judgment for
at least well nine ten months or so. It's looking like,
and this is all about five leading car makers accused
of cheating on emission tests. The trial is this big, big,
chapter in what's become known as diesel Gate, with the

(01:35:15):
companies facing allegations that they used software in order to
allow their cars to reduce emissions of harmful gases under
test conditions. In other words, allegations these companies were simply
lying about how environmentally friendly their cars were. This is
the largest class action in England and Wales legal history

(01:35:36):
and could eventually involve one point six million car owners.
The manufacturers are Mercedes Ford, Pergio, Citron, Reno and Nissan
Pergio Citron, part of the same group. They all deny
the accusations and the five have chosen been chosen by
the court as lead defendants to be tried first because
the case is so big and is really going to

(01:35:59):
be in to see how this goes. The scandal first
emerged back in twenty fifteen when the US Environmental Protection
Agency accused Volkswagen of installing the so called defeat devices,
but since then the Volkswagen has had to settle roughly
nearly sixty billion New Zealand dollars over the scandal.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Jaece Gavin, thank you very much looking forward, even if
it's nineteen months and by the way, it's lovely to
have you back on the program. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent,
Yike's Heather, you're really struggling with the thought that having
a diverse workforce is beneficial. That's hilarious. How many different
ways did you have to tell you how the benefits
are statistically clear?

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
I don't mind diversity though, but I prefer just a
straight meritocracy. That has got to be the most productive thing,
don't you think. Eight away from seven it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Zebby listen, we need to talk about Prince Andrew really quickly.
He's been busted lying again. Now I think this is
I mean, is always busted, you busted in some way,
but I think this is a significant one. He previously
said that he hadn't contacted Jeffrey Epstein at all since
December twenty ten. That was when the photo was taken
of them walking in Central Park in New York, and

(01:37:13):
he said he'd flown over the sea he could tell
Jeffrey Epstein in person that was the end of their friendship.
They couldn't be chums with each other anymore, right, So
that he said that's the last. Well, now it turns
out he actually emailed Jeffrey Epstein in twenty eleven, the
day after the photo emerged, the now famous photo of
the pair of them standing there with Gallain kind of
lurking in the background. And Andrew's got his hand his

(01:37:35):
hand around Virginia Jeffrey's waist. He emails them the day
after that photos released. He says we are in this together,
keeping close touch, and expressed a wish to play some
more soon. Ah, he's hadious, He's httious Andrew, Andrew, Andrew,
welcome back from Japan.

Speaker 19 (01:37:55):
And thanks good to be here. My name had changed.
I've been always so long that you've all forgotten what
That's fine, It totally happens.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
And now I'm testing you. How are you gonna come
off the back of Andrew the creepy guy?

Speaker 19 (01:38:06):
Yeah, yeah, this is a difficult segue, so I'm just
not going to do it. I'm well that move on.
So which is what I do in this segment quite
a bit too often. Probably our dance floor anthem by
good Charlotte to play us out. Tonight, they are coming
back to New Zealand for the first time since as
far as we can tell. Twenty seventeen, they're going to
be playing at the Auckland Domain, so just the one
show you will have to get up to Auckland if
you want to go. It'll be on the February the

(01:38:26):
twenty seventh, but it's at the Domain, so a it'll
be a bit of fun and Yellow Card are on
support as well, a pop punk band from about the
same era of songs like Ocean Avenue and Only One,
and they are teasing there'll be special guests as well,
so maybe there's more on this line.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Up to come now. Ants out of ten, how good
was Japan?

Speaker 19 (01:38:44):
Yeah, I have can'd to give it anything below a
ten to be honest, lots of people go to Japan.
If you're listening, chances are you've been, and you'll be
agreeing with me, nodding along your head. It's just a
great place. It's nice, highly recommend.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Nice to have you back ends, which is nice to
be back. We've actually missed you, like sometimes when you
have to go away for people to realize how number one,
how much we missed you, and number two how hard
your job is.

Speaker 19 (01:39:06):
And I'd love to I'd love to say that I
thought about you guys and the show a lot when
I was over there, But no, not even not a second.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
The fair enough enjoy evening tomorrow he's so zibby.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
Good thing is good? What to doing you do around it?

Speaker 16 (01:39:27):
That's at

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
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