Full Show Podcast: 13 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Their facts, and give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand, Let's get
connected and news talk as.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon coming up on the show, Cabinet has finally ordered
government agencies to stop being so obsessed with race and
start focusing on need instead. Nichola Willis the Public Service Minister.
After five on that Trump has said a hard no
to a second debate. We're going to find out if
this is smart from Amy Tarkanian who's a Republican strategist
and apparently one and eight of us like dream scrolling

(00:39):
on properties as in looking at you know, the old
properties online more than having sex.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Ashley keV duplic Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So Mikey Sherman did nothing wrong with that Pole coverage
after all, remember that you remember the Pole coverage everybody
really wound up in April where the Prome Minister called
it frothy and three hundred different people complained about what
they saw. Well, the broadcasting standards Will already's been considering
it and they've just come back. This is the guys.
These are the guys. By the way who keep an
eye on TV and radio. They've made their ruling and
they've backed up Mikey Sherman, saying that while she yes,

(01:09):
she employed strong and provocative language, there was nothing in
her coverage that breach standards. And frankly, the BSA makes
such dumb decisions. I'm glad they've finally made one that's
a good one. I'm pleased this is their decision because
the reaction to Mikey Sherman was completely over the top.
Mikey Sherman is a fantastic political editor. I think she
is one of the best that TV and ZD ever
had in the last twenty years. Her analysis is always good.

(01:32):
I don't always agree with where she ends up, but
I can always see because she explains how she reached
that conclusion, and it's always sound, and I pretty much
always consider that she makes a fair point. I think
what people react to with Mikey Sherman is that she
doesn't sound like your traditional TV and ZE political editor.
She doesn't sound like a university educated person who's grown
up in a city, do you know what I mean?

(01:53):
She sounds like she comes from somewhere way out in
the provinces and I just don't think that people are
used to hearing that on the Fuddy Duddy TV and ZED,
do you know what I mean? I think that people
secondly who watch TV and Z are not used to
her style. People who watch TV three traditionally probably wouldn't
even blink an eyelid at her style. It's very much
in the vein of Paddy Gower and Tove O'Brien and

(02:15):
so on, very fast paced, full of hyperbole. It's basically
just clickbait on acid. That's her style. It's a perfectly
valid style to have. But I think to TV and
Z viewers who are used to sitting through Fuddy duddy,
slow paced, traditional old school ways of doing things, it's
really confronting to have something quite as fun an energetic
coming straight at. Yet what she said in the poll

(02:37):
was not inaccurate, it was grounded. In fact, it was
just hyped and kind of over the top. It's not
the end of the world, as I say. It is
a particular and valid style. Frankly, I do not personally
mind a little bit of excitement on the Tally News.
I feel like TV and Z could do with a
little bit of a shakeup. Nor do I mind the
quality of her reporting. I'm pleased she's been cut a
brake and I look forward to watching more of Mikey Sherman.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Ever, Dupless welcome to get involved.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
In that debate. That's nine two nine two for the number,
and of course standard text fees apply. Now get a
load of this. The kids at a school south of
Auckland are allegedly missing out on free school lunches because
the staff are nickingdom beforehand. A parent of students at
Tuacar College says that her kids had come home hungry
for a month because they've been missing out. Secondary Principals

(03:21):
Association President Vaughan Queil is with us. Now, Hey, Vaughn killed,
how are you well? Thank you? Vaughan sounds to me
like this was happening a because the principles admitted he's
had to tell the staff not to take the food.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yeah, it's it's a little scandalous as far as being
honest with you. We all know that the Healthy School
Lunches program is there to put kids and put food
in the hands of kids who who need it, and sure,
if there's something left over and everyone's had, they go.
There's a spear rap sitting on the bench. You know,
that's better than throwing it in the bin. But it

(03:56):
has to go to the kids first, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Have you ever heard of anything like this?

Speaker 5 (04:00):
For no?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
No, So literally this is and you're stinborn, right, you're not,
You're like you are the association president. You will have
heard if this was going on.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Absolutely, there's and there's a number of secondary schools, large, small,
or whatever, primary schools. I've got these lunches going out on.
It's a logistically massive exercise, and there's always surplus left over,
and it's good to roll model eating with students and
your class and all that sort of stuff, not at
the expense of the hungry child sitting in front of you.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
What does this tell us about the way that we
are doing this particular program. I mean, if it's open
to being gamed like this and teachers just nicking off
with the gluten free stuff, first, there's a problem, isn't there.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah, that's if it's happening. So that the truth is
often somewhere in the middle between maybe your side of
the story and these and so I'd want a little
bit more information before I was going to cast judgment
on them. However, the intent of the program, it's certainly
high trust, but it sort of needs to be. It's
logistically huge, right, getting that many lunches into people's hands,

(05:04):
and so you trust the integrity of the workforce, particularly
the teaching workforce, and so it's not necessarily a flaw
with the program. It's probably some misinterpretation from the grown
ups that are helping support it.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Misinterpretation. How can you misinterpret and take the food before
the kids even get it?

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Well, they well, they might have thought everyone had been fed,
they might have thought it was suit plus. So it's
always better to go and ask in questions rather than
making statements. However, if kids are going hungry, someone's getting
it wrong.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, okay, So the problem here, what this is going
to do, undoubtedly is it's going to turn people off.
If people already sort of are not super keen on
paying for other people's kids to eat at school, this
is going to just turn them off even more, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, well, yes, but this is more than likely a
very isolated incident where people have got it wrong if
it is indeed happening, because I know that, for example,
on my campus, we have first lunch going out it's
at eleven o'clock in the morning, get a calorie payload
in there, and then anything that's left over. Kids come
back around for another go at lunchtime, and the anything

(06:13):
that's again left over, if staff need to grab one,
they can. But also our provider does excess that they
don't charge the ministry for in order to support stuff
in that process. So there's ways to there's ways to
make it all look and feel good. But yeah, gets
there's lots of good work happening in this lunch program

(06:33):
across the country. I would hate for one site that
might be getting it wrong to impact all the others.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Thank you, Vaughan, appreciate it. There's vunque or Secondary Principals
Association president. Of course, it's to a cow college when
the look in the food, of course it is what
school did I go to?

Speaker 5 (06:52):
To?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
A cow college? That's how we roll down there, get
in first before the others can you got it, you know,
like the earlier stuf gets the worm, et cetera, et cetera. Anyway,
disappointing that Turko College is not talking to met because
I was like, hey, I'm an old I'm an old girl.
Tell them what I'm an old I don't feel like
that kind of like a desol too. School is the
kind of one that past people's traditionally called themselves old girls.

(07:14):
And do you know what I mean? So is desil
to the crappy end of the scale. Is it desil nine?
Yet we would dexell too hard out of fact. I
think we were desole one when I was there. Anyway,
school's principal doesn't did not even clearly clearly. I did
not learn my manners from that school, did not even
respond to us, did not even get back to us. However,
has told other media rude Chris that kids had missed

(07:38):
it did not know that kids had missed out for
a month, but has admitted there were some instances where
staff did get the meals before the students did, so
there's no dispute about these facts anyway. So as a result,
started texting one of my mates who was the head girl,
and we were just we were having a little bit
of a game of guessing which of the teachers nick
them first. And I think we agree, we both we
both think we know. Donald Trump has ruled out another

(07:58):
presidential debate. By the way, Karmela Harris has been calling
for one, basically, like the minute she got off the stage,
she was like, let's have another one. I'm ready to go.
The got the first time, his nerves out of the way,
so she's been going at it. She started up again
on it in the last twenty four hours, but he
said absolutely hard, no, he reckons she just wants one
because he clearly won and she lost. I think, however,

(08:19):
most people have settled on the fact that she won.
It's a question of how much did she win by
Some of us think by not that much, others think
by quite a lot, but nobody thinks he won. Quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
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Speaker 3 (08:45):
Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk coasters with me, Hey, Darce, hello
here that I am so thrilled that they finally had
a good jiggle up of the Super Rugby format. Do
you like what you see?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:56):
I do.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Eleven teams is not ideal. Hopefully they'll go back up
to twelve or maybe more, but when the rebels run
out of money and basically saw their bed sheets, it's.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Time to move on. So they've done that.

Speaker 7 (09:06):
I think they've from what I can gather talking with
kind of Man's Bridge for example, he'll be on the
show later on tonight. They've taken into account what the
clubs think, what the franchises think, what the fans think.
But they've not gone too far. They've not gone too far.
They don't want to suddenly make wholesale changes that confuse everybody.

(09:28):
They want to go, Okay, we heard you, we listened
to you. Around the top eight. No, that didn't work.
So we've got a top bridge. Juice it a wee bit.
You've got a top six. There's a lucky loser situation
where someone could lose up in the first round of
Still got.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Me, just explain, So tell me if I've got this right.
So it's six teams, so three teams will go up
against three teams and three will be knocked out in
the first week of the finals. Obviously you can't have
three going through. So this's the lucky loser is the
highest place of those three that are knocked out.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
The high seeded loser makes up the four teams and
the three simple and then if you go another thing
is the draws not out yet and they haven't got
a whole lot of Sunday games.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
I think three Sunday games are there.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
Which is a start. I think they would like to
see more from a crowd point of view. But as
I told Jason pine And on the Fixed podcast, I'm
going to get that in there. I believe that that
says you want these Sunday games, you go along to them.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
So the crowds on Sundays.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
You've got your go around to them the trail and
you show Super Rugby that we want to see these games. Yeah,
Sunday afternoon games. And there's also the real focus on
Derby's so they're looking at what people really want to watch.
They want to watch New Zealan teams play New Zealantines
and want to watch Australian teams playing Australian teams, so
they're looking at that. So they've listened and this is

(10:45):
what they've said last year all the dealings I have
with Super Rugby pacificause we actually need to listen to
the crowd. We need to listen to the people you're
talking to because they're who we're serving. I thought that
was wonderful to hear you're talking to the boss man
at some stage.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yes, I think after half us five we're going to
talk to him because I still think that there's scope
to have gone a little harder. I appreciate that they
might want to try this in nibbles, do this first
and this. If this doesn't work, then potentially you could
do a thing where you trade players and stuff like that.
But I think that's the future. That's where we have
to end up.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, I got no problem with that either. But they've
shame changed, they've listened. It might not be as big
as everybody wants, but it won't be cataclysmic.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
It doesn't what it was. What's the gospel yet? Ka Klimkov,
Why did she step down?

Speaker 8 (11:30):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (11:32):
Did she step down or did she trip over and
she pushed off? Right?

Speaker 8 (11:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (11:38):
Yeah, well we.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
Don't know because there's anyone heard from His Zealand Football.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
No, it's what's going on. Hello, it's very hard to
be to be invested in squads like this when you
don't even know what the drama.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Is New Zealand Football.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Okay, so we don't know anything.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
She's just she gone, there was issues, and then she
didn't go to the Paris Olympics, even though she was
clear to go. And then she decided she didn't want
to go to the Paris Olympics. And then Michael May
went to the Paris Olympics. And now it's like, actually,
this is untenable.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
I'm leaving.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
This should have been sorted out months and months and
months ago. It's been drawn out. What happens in a vacuum.
We've talked about this before. People fill it up with
whatever they want, so rumor and innuendo and gossip and
so on and so forth. But when push comes to shove,
the football side are no longer coached by Climkiver. See

(12:34):
the pause there.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, I wondered if you'd I honestly thought, I just
wondered if you'd had an aneurysm.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
No, no, no, no, Because this is the one thing
I really enjoy about this decision. When I first interviewed,
I said, how do you pronounce your name? And she said,
yet gat Climkiver. And I'll argue with everybody for three
years and they'll say it's clim Kover, you're wrong. So
finally that argument is dead.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
Because she's.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
That's that problems. Yeah, Darcy, thank you. I really appreciate it.
Darcy hut Watergrove will be back this sports talking colin join.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Say right the man you trust to get the answers
you need and a dup to see allan drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected a news talk.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
As they'd be for twenty five So finally, and thank goodness,
we finally got round it. We have been waiting. It's
been over you by about six months or so. Cabinet
has finally ordered the government departments to be color blind
and focus on need, not on race. This is through
the Public Service circular that was issued today. Nicola Willis,
being the Public Service Minister put it out today. It

(13:33):
means what it means in practice basically is you won't
get any more of this stuff like in Hawkes Bay
where the GP visits are free for kids if they're
Mari or Pacifica. But you know if you're Parquier or
Asian or Indian or anything else, you have to pay
because of your ethnicity. That stuff has got to stop.
The waiting list stuff has got to stop where you
get bumped up the waiting list. The surgical waiting list,

(13:55):
if you'll I think that has stopped, but it won't
be happening again if you're of a certain ethnicity. Also, oh,
no more of this given government contracts to Mahori businesses
first because they're Mahori businesses. I don't know if you're
aware of this, but this was one of the first
kind of warning signs that we got from the Labor government,
like as far back as twenty eighteen or something, where
they decided that government departments had to give at least

(14:18):
five percent of their contracts to Maori providers, and then
last March got bumped up to eight percent. So that's
been happening. That's all got to stop now, thank goodness,
because I mean that I think we can have we
don't need to have this argument again. But that seems
like a really deeply unfair and weird thing to be
doing in a country like us. Anyway, we're going to
talk to Nikola Willis, who'll bear with us after five
o'clock on that hither. My brother in law eats the

(14:39):
school lunches every day and he's the deputy principal. That's
from Ryan here, the Rowandale Primary in South Auckland used
their lunches to feed both students and teachers. It's been reported,
and I checked it out. Aaron's totally corrected. It has
been reported, So Vaughan might not have heard of it,
but we have heard of it. It's obviously happening a
little bit more widely than just two of our college hither.
If you think Mikey is great, you are deluded. She

(15:00):
is not impartial, and she's definitely definitely left wing. Listen,
this is the thing, right, Mikey Sherman is a political editor.
She's not a political reporter. She's entitled to an opinion.
That is literally, that's what her job is about. It's
about her having opinion and analysis. You might not agree
with it, but as long as you can understand how
she got to the point that she got to and
if she makes a valid point, I think that's fine.

(15:21):
I have no problem with her her particular sway on
these things because I see where she's coming from. I
think she's very good at it. And I'm getting a
lot of texts telling me I'm wrong, and that's okay.
Headline's next on.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your
car on your drive home. Hither dup to see Alan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And news talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Not Piccola Wills is cold. Beout us after five o'clock.
Talk us through that cabinet circular that just went out
today ordering the public services. I told you earlier to
be a little bit more color blind and just focus
on need. Now, apparently I think this is quite weird.

(16:09):
Apparently we love looking at property porn. Now that's not
really a big surprise. Who hasn't who especially?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I don't think I don't think i'd do it. But
when you have to buy a house, then it's quite
a joy, isn't it to spend a long time looking
at property porn? But apparently some people just do it
as a matter of like part of their life. There
is new data. They call it dream scrolling. There is
new drata that a new data that says fifty nine
percent of us do this dream scrolling, but twenty eight

(16:41):
percent of us are doing it every single week, just
presumably as some sort of escapism. Thirty eight percent of
people would rather look at property porn than watch Rugby,
and twelve percent of people would even prefer it over sex,
which is quite weird. Ashley Church is going to be
with us. A caught it passed by. I feel like

(17:02):
of all people, Ashley Church would fit into one of
these categories, like if you had to find the one
in eight of us who would prefer it over sex
as somebody who writes about property, do you know what
I mean? So we'll find out from Ashley if he's
the guy who basically tik that one like that. Anyway,
he's with us quarter past five right now, it's twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Former US President Donald Trump will not debate Karmala Harris again.
He ruled out the possibility of a second debate or
frankly a third if you count the Biden one, while
speaking at a campaign event.

Speaker 10 (17:31):
So because we've done two debates and because they were successful,
there will be no third debate. Too late, anyway, the
voting's already begun.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
You gotta go out and vote.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Amy Tarkanian is a Republican strategist and will be with
us ten past five or May. Ukraine is seeking permission
from its allies to strike targets inside Russia. With long
range missiles. Now, many countries have supplied Ukraine with these
long range missiles, but they're only meant for use against
Russian military targets inside Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin says,
if any NATO country gives Ukraine permission to do this,

(18:07):
he's going to consider it a declaration of war.

Speaker 11 (18:10):
If this decision is made, it will mean nothing other
than direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, European
countries in the war in Ukraine. And this, of course
significantly changes the very essence of the conflict.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
And finally someone has made a remix. They were bound
to do it. They have made a remix of our
favorite bit from the US presidential debate.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats.

Speaker 8 (18:34):
Eat the cat, eating the cat.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
They're eating the dogs.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
They're eating the cats.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Eat the cat.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Eat the cat.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
They're eating the cats.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
They're eating the dogs, eat the cat, Eat the cat.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Eat the cat.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business, Dan.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Missions and US Corresponding with US Now, Dan.

Speaker 12 (18:58):
Hello, I'm sure sorry. I was just looking at this
real estate site and scrolling through there.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Do you do. Do you do the property porn as well?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I do?

Speaker 12 (19:06):
I have to admit I really do like going on
and looking at places all over the world.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Here.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
What is the endowment that you look for in a house?
What do you do? What do you get excited about?

Speaker 12 (19:15):
Coziness, a place with a good garden and a place
for a nice little library.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I want to pool and like one of those little
outdoor settings where you have like a sheltered barbecue, like
an inbuilt barbecue with a dining room sized table outside.
And now you know you're a baller if you've got
a table outside that's big enough to have your entire
extended family next to the pool. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Ah, it sounds nice.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, that was Actually that was pretty good, wasn't it. Hey, listen,
Donald Trump not wanting a second debate. That's pretty clearly
because he lost the last one.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
Well, I think so, I mean, despite what he's saying,
I mean, there are Republicans who are saying he should
go after Harris with another one and improve that.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Maybe the last debate was a fluke for Harris.

Speaker 12 (19:57):
Maybe it was, I mean, who knows, And maybe Trump
was you know, not on his game, But I mean today,
he wrote on social media. He wrote, when a prize
fighter loses the fight, the first words out of his
mouth are I want to rematch. And he shaid, you know,
he said, the polls show that he won the bait. Well,
the polls didn't show that. And just because you say
it's true doesn't make it true. But we know that
that's kind of what politicians you know, do, and especially

(20:19):
hit Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, Now, what do you think is is is it
a smart move from him to rule this out?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Boy?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (20:28):
I don't think so at this point, I would think
it would be a smarter move for Kamala Harris not.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
To do it. Why is she hit the ball out
of the park?

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Come on?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I mean, she did not Dan she was, she was critible,
but it wasn't that.

Speaker 12 (20:42):
Exciting for Kamala Harris To me? That was hitting the
ball out of the park. I went in with almost
zero expectations. I think a lot of people did, and
to see her come out as well as she did,
I would be hard pressed to see her do that twice.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Why is that? Why did you have such low expectations
of it? Is she so to you? Guys?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I think she just is not great at public speaking.

Speaker 12 (21:04):
And I mean you look at her, you know, talking
to crowds, and the fact that she doesn't give a
lot of interviews, and when she does, you're trying to
make sense of what it is that she's saying. Again,
the same could be said of former President Trump. All
other times you're like, he's off on a tangent.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Where is he going with? I'm lost? Look at the
shiny object you see.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Okay, I'll tell you why she didn't. Why from from
where we're sitting in our powder of the world, why
it didn't feel to me like she hit it out
of the park. It's because she did not match the
hype around her. So Obama was hyped, and then when
he spoke, he was as good as the hype. I
would even say this of our Jisan da Ardurt and
she was hyped. And when she speaks, not anything else.
But when she speaks publicly, her speaking is as good

(21:46):
as her hype. But with Karmala, the hype is way
up there and when she speaks she does not match it.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Well, you bring up a good point.

Speaker 12 (21:51):
I think that's why the Harris campaign is trying to
downplay this not only what happened the other night, but
I think also, you know, the polls that show her
leading Trump were at least very close to him, and
the earlier projections that the results in November are going
to I think amount to just such a razor thin
margin of who wins and who doesn't in this So
I think they're really trying to downplay anything that she

(22:13):
does that looks like it's above what we were expecting.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well so are they. Are they speaking to the media
and telling people to calm their farms?

Speaker 12 (22:20):
Basically yes, but again, speaking to the media, that's one
thing that Harris is not doing one on one, and
that's still something that's annoying everybody.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Does that say to you though, if that tempering, if
her team is tempering expectations behind the scenes, that they
realize this is not going to lead to a massive,
like a mass of movement in the polls.

Speaker 12 (22:38):
I don't know, because I feel what we're talking about
here maybe a couple one hundred thousand people. I think
that could swing this election in a number of states
and key states here. And but again, those who are
for Harris are for Harris that this debate did not
change their minds the same with Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
In fact, I can't remember the last time.

Speaker 12 (22:56):
It's probably been at least over a decade since I
think we had a any kind of presidential debate that
was a big swing for voters one way or the other.
But you know, a few hundred thousand people, that's all
it takes to really swing an election like this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Interesting, Hey, So apparently more women in the States are
getting their tubes tied at the moment.

Speaker 12 (23:12):
Yeah, they are, and this is because of the Roe v.
Wade that was overturned, the decision a couple of years ago.
On the studies showing that they're seeing the biggest increases
in states that ban abortion, About five million women got
their tubes tied and in dozens of states around here.
And the sectomies are also on the rise in a
lot of these states too, for guys. So it's not

(23:32):
just women who are making this decision, but also men,
or maybe it's the women who are making the decision
for those men and they're just you know, going along
and saying, Okay, you did this, I'm going to do
this too.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Interesting. Hey, Dan, thank you very much. But Dan Mitchison
now US Correspondence Labor in the UK. Keep an eye
on these guys because this is Keir Starmer's new government,
because some of what they do is would sound like
absolute common scenes to you, but some of what they
do is pretty wacky. One thing that they're doing and
I've been monitoring. I'm not monitoring because it Jesus sounds

(24:04):
like I'm like the headmaster, but I have been keeping
an eye on this, and just out of pure fascination
is what they're doing with rental properties over there. They
are making it really hard to be a landlord. And
the latest thing that's leaked out today is that they're
basically going to ban landlords in the UK from being
able to get rid of tenants who don't pay their
rent for three months. So at the moment, I would say,

(24:25):
tenants over there already have it pretty sweet. They can
fall behind for two months consecutively, so like basically eight
weeks worth of rent they can fall behind on. At
only at that point, after eight weeks of missed rent
can landlords then act. And even then they can't just
kick them out and be like you've just taken the
mickey for eight weeks mate, bye. They still have to
give them two weeks notice. Kirstarma is going to beef

(24:47):
that up even more in the tenants favor them with
a law that's coming next to year. Tenants can miss
twelve weeks of rent, now twelve weeks and then when
the landlord acts, they have to give them four weeks notice.
By the end of that you'll deally with sixteen weeks
of misstrenth. That is, that's a third of your year.
That's crazy, isn't it. Anyway, keep an eye on it
because there's more of that coming. I think quarter too.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
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Speaker 3 (25:13):
Barry so per SENI your political correspondence with us A Barry,
good afternoon. Head right, So this is circular. The circular
that Cabinets issued is overdue. But finally here.

Speaker 9 (25:20):
Yeah, it's a ruling and in fact it should never
have been required, I think, I mean, surely every New
Zealander should be treated the same. But you remember was
act essentially giving eight percent of their contracts to MALDI providers.
This is government contracts and the first of all it

(25:45):
was five percent. They upped it to eight percent last year.
And of course we saw recently the case in the
Hawk's Bay where young people were getting free medical treatment
from GPS if they were mild or pacifica. It shouldn't
be the case. And as you said that the circular

(26:05):
has been issued by the Cabinet offers and it's essentially
saying there should be no ethnicity considered when government contracts
are let and that to me should be I mean,
it should have been the case all along, but unfortunately
it hasn't been.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, hey, what do you make of the teachers nicking
the school lunches at our college?

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Well, you know that's your old college, so you know,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Type why it came out.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
That's right, that's what they produce. Yeah, it's interesting because
a mother had basically complained that two of our college
staff were eating lunches and the problem was that the
kids wanted to phone home to tell their parents this
was happening, but they couldn't do so because phones are

(26:57):
now banned in colleges.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
So they had to go down to the old end
in the field.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
Day. Didn't they go down to the office to get
your phone back and say, I want to tell on
you for eating my lunch. Well they're not going to
get their phone back, so they go home hungry. But
I've got to say the school Lunch Minister David Seymour,
he has said to please explain to the.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Ministry mostly Sellings.

Speaker 13 (27:24):
Will be very clear that one of the jobs of
teachers is to instill good values in children, show children
the difference between right and wrong. And it's very hard
for teachers to do that when the teacher themselves is
allegedly nicking their lunch and also repressing their ability to
seek justice by calling for help when bad things like

(27:45):
that happen. So certainly something the Ministry of Education will
be looking into, and I look forward in the near
future to announcing more details about how the Healthy School
Lunch program will continue. I think it's going to be
better and cost less, but it's going to be for
the primarily the benefit of the students, not to have
it next by someone else before it gets to them.

Speaker 9 (28:06):
Yeah, but it's his fault, isn't it really, Because he's
made the lunches more tasty.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well, I mean the thing is this will this this
kind of thing plays into his hands, right because it
will undermine support for the lunches because it will it
will absolutely wind a whole bunch of taxpayers up knowing
that reasonably well paid teachers are getting a nice little
gluten free sandwich. Yes, thanks to us, you're more than welcome, right,
So it helps his cakes to actually go harder on it.

(28:30):
But there's nothing he can do about it, because as
long as he's rolling out lunches to schools and teachers
are hungry and and a bit naughty, they will continue
to it.

Speaker 9 (28:38):
Absolutely, you know it's going to continue happening. But they've
got to do so not at the expense of the kids.
And that's the problem. If they're nicky, literally.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Nick I can say that as well, what can you
do about it?

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Well, if does go home hungry, hopefully they will be
reported to the authorities and they'll be moved on. I mean,
you can't teach. They can't go there expecting to get
their lunch.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Okay, quite your harsh punishment barrier. The White Tongue High
School head Whitey Tribunal accusing the government of breaching the
treaty is strike what eight from the White Tinny Tribunal
or what.

Speaker 9 (29:16):
It's incredible really when you think this is the government
overturning a Court of appealed decision and that's what's got
the White TOANNGI tribunal very upset. They put out a
report today and they've pointed to a meeting between senior
government ministers and seafood representatives as one of the many
instances of the Crown breaching the treaty with its foreshore

(29:37):
and seabed changes. They're going to make it harder for
MALDI unless they've got a customary title that goes way
back to eighteen forty. And you know, the changes are
quite significant. As Paul Goldsmith, who's the Minister in charge
of this, he said, the notion of extending the the

(29:57):
the distance from the shore twelve nautical miles is patently ridiculous.
He said, you'd have to have a navy to patrol that,
and that's true. But what they're going to do is
they're going to cut down significantly the number of customary
titles that Mary can have power over. But Mary in

(30:20):
the end will still have the power, but they won't
be able to dictate what is going to happen in
that particular zone.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Interesting, Barry, thank you very much. Listen, we'll wrap the
political week that was when you come back later on
about quarter past six. It's Barry sober seeing your political
political correspondence. Seven away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Entertain the mic Husking breakfast.

Speaker 14 (30:39):
There was one Olympic story that came out of nowhere
for a lot of us who was Hamish care of course, suddenly,
seemingly out of no where, we had the best high
jumper in the world. He was going to be competing
in Belgium apparently, but he said, I bugger it, I
need to come and see Mike.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So he has and he's well.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
I did athletics at a club at a young age,
and high jump was always the event that I was
the best at. I think the thing for me was
every year I just got a little bit more serious,
and then obviously the last years I've been pretty serious.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
I can't remember the name of the term.

Speaker 14 (31:03):
So you'd start with the scissors. What's the one where
you roll forward over?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
That would be called the Western roll.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
So occasionally we.

Speaker 14 (31:08):
Got into the Western roll because the height was too
high for the scissors. Showing you age mate, Yeah, okay,
Monday from six am, the Mike asking breakfast with the
Jaguar fpace us talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Hey, well this is a good day, I would say.
Four away from five. By the way, we've finally got
to the end of the evidence. In the Polkinghorn trial,
it's taken seven straight weeks of testimony involving more than
eighty witnesses. So both sides have now finished presenting their
evidence on Monday that the Crown is expected to take
all day to do their closing address, right, they sum
everything up, they kind of try to convince the jury

(31:41):
that they're right, and then on Tuesday the defense will
give their closing closing address, and then after that, on Wednesday,
deliberations expected to start. And then of course, you know,
we've been here a million times before. How long is
a piece of string? And we have to wait to
find out, you know, what the jury says for. I
don't know about you, but I'm invested in this. I've
got a lot of probably more than any other trial

(32:04):
that I can remember since what maybe like the Scott
Guy trial, have people been really really interested in this.
So it's going to be now. I think it's going
to be quite interesting to see which way it goes.
Right hither, It's noticeable that Luxon is distancing himself from
anything controversial regarding Mardy, isn't it. Yes, Actually, thank you
for making that point, because let's just notice this for
a second. Right, that cabinet circular was released on a Friday.

(32:29):
That's not an accident. That's deliberate. You only put things
out on a Friday when you are like trying to
not have too much attention, or you got to do it.
You know, you got to do it because your coalition
agreements is you got to do it, but you don't
really want to have to do it. Hope it gets
buried by the weekend's news. I would say that is
because National is ashamed of it, because what I hear
keep hearing from Wellington is that Nikola Willis and Chris

(32:49):
Luxon are quote allergic to this stuff. They really hate
having to talk about race stuff. It freaks them out.
They get the eck over it. So I don't want
to have to and if they absolutely have to, then
they want to bid on a Friday. But speaking of which,
unfortunately for Nicola, Nichola is with us next to talk
about race and this particular circulars to standby for that,
and then after that we'll go to the US and

(33:10):
speak to Amy Tarkhaney and a Republican strategist and whether
Trump is doing the right thing by saying a hard
no to another debate, News Talks ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
It's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected, News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Afternoon. Cabinet has finally ordered government agencies to stop prioritizing
public services on the basis of race and instead focus
on need. Government contracts should also be awarded on the
basis of public value, not on where the businesses are
mildly owned, like the last government had ordered. Nicola Willis
is the Public Service Minister with us. Now, hey, Nikolin,

(33:55):
how are you heaping? Very well? Thank you? So does
this mean we're going to get no more stuff at all,
like the g visits and hawks Bay being free based
on race.

Speaker 15 (34:03):
Well, we think it's really important that services aren't arbitrarily
allocated on the basis of personal identity, including ethnic identity.
What we're not saying is that you would never be
able to do that. But if you're going to do that,
you've got to have some real analytical regular that outlines
why that is the best way to target that service,

(34:25):
because most of the time that's just an actual assumption
or a proxy, whereas the actual need might be more
that that there are people who aren't accessing the health
services because of their housing, because of where they live,
the conset of their low income, because of a range
of other factors. And you're much better to be analytical
and rigorous because that allows for the best use of resource.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
How confident are you that the public service is actually
going to follow this instruction?

Speaker 15 (34:51):
Well, this is a binding instruction for the public service,
and I know that they take their professional responsibility seriously.
We've gone to great care with the circular. David Cymour
and I worked hard on it to make sure that
it gives really clear directions so that when misters identify
things in their portfolios that they have questioned about, they

(35:13):
can go back to the circular and say to their agency, well,
how do you justify this according to the Cabinet circular?
Show me your analytical framework, Show me how you step
through the circular to make sense of this. So, yeah,
I think it's going to make a difference.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Do you have any idea what value of government contracts
were awarded to Maori businesses because they were Maori businesses
under that labor rule.

Speaker 15 (35:35):
Well, it had got to just over eight percent, which
I understand was about three thousand contracts. Now, what I'd
like to say about that is I expect that Marty
businesses will continue to before and win government contracts, and
they'll do so on the basis of the value that
they deliver in the community. The problem with the target

(35:55):
was that it led to a perception among many people
who were bidding for government contract that there wasn't a
level playing field and that one business would get favored
over another on the basis that it was defined as
a Mary business. We want one in contracts because they're
the best people for the job.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Nicola. Things like this get dropped on a Friday because
you don't want to get too much attention. Are you
guys doing this on a Friday because you're actually ashamed
of it?

Speaker 9 (36:19):
No?

Speaker 15 (36:20):
No, I've just had a very busy week. Is the
rest of the cabinet. This is an announcement that we
wanted to make. We've agreed it, We've got it out there.
David spoken about it today, I've spoken about it today.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Very heavy to keep you, Nicola, thank you for your time.
Talking again on Monday. That's Nichola Willis, Public Service Minister
and Finance Minister of course with us every Monday after six.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
O'clock ever due for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
So Donald Trump has ruled out another presidential debate against
Karmala Harris before the US election in November.

Speaker 10 (36:50):
So, because we've done two debates and because they were successful,
there will be no third debate. It's too late anyway,
the voting has already begun.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You got to go.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Amy Takanian is a Republican strategist. Hey, Amy, Hello. Is
Trump saying no because he knows he lost that debate?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I believe.

Speaker 16 (37:10):
So he's actually claiming only a loser would call for
another debate, So he's trying to change the narrative and
help the win.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Isn't a smart move from him to not go in
for another one?

Speaker 16 (37:23):
I would actually say so because I think that he's
already got his base in place very solidly, and there
are a number of people who are still wavering in
the center, and if he continues to have another mishap,
it very well solidify his next loss.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Right. So, which is to say that the only one
who really can benefit from a debate is really Kamala Harris.

Speaker 16 (37:48):
Correct, because she already comes in kind of at a
lower threshold people really don't know too much about her.
They don't know too much about, you know, where she
stands on a number of issues. They just know that
she's held a few different offices throughout her lifetime, but
they don't really know exactly much about her as the individual.

(38:08):
So I think in this first debate, or this only
debate that she had between her and President Trump, she
really was able to shine without giving too much detail
about her stances. So she allowed him to take the bait, flounder,
fall apart, make himself, you know, continue to look you know,

(38:31):
very angry, upset, And that's really what their message has been.
It's been, you know, do you want to go back,
do you want to go into another abyss of anger
or do you want to move forward? And do you
want to be positive? And they really don't have to
break down any policy in the meantime, which is unfortunate,
but that's where we are right now.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
I know that two right minded people and people who
are maybe able to look at this kind of dispassionately.
The eating cats and dogs commings is pretty loony, But
does it actually hurt Donald Trump? All of the coverage
that he's getting as a result of this.

Speaker 16 (39:07):
Well, I would say to his base, they actually believe it.
And and so now there are stories that are popping
up on social media from people who are of Haitian
descent who are saying, listen, you know, my grandpa used
to do this for voodoo rituals. My auntie used to
do this, you know. But it was back in Haiti

(39:27):
because it was a third world country and they were
in survival mode. Not many stories you hear, if at all,
about it actually happening here in the United States of
America have been verified.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Amy, Thank you, really interesting stuff. Appreciate your time. That's
Amy Tarkanian, who's a Republican strategist. Now on that. Apparently
there is a hard right conspiracy theorist who's traveling with
Donald Trump at the moment, and some Republicans are blaming
this woman for the cats and dogs comment that he
made during the BAK. I've never heard of her before.
Laura Luma, as her name has like a huge fellow

(40:00):
on Twitter, is apparently well known for spreading conspiracy theories,
including probably most notably, that the nine to eleven attacks
were an inside job that was carried out by the
US government, which obviously makes it particularly weird that she
was at the nine to eleven memorial with Donald Trump
on Wednesday, and people got reasonably upset about that for
obvious reasons. Anyway, she traveled to the debate with Donald

(40:22):
Trump on his plane on Tuesday US time. Here's a
really interesting thing. On Monday US time, one day before
the debate, she tweeted the cats and dogs theory on Twitter.
And for that reason, because she had done it twenty
four hours before the debate, people and the Republicans reckoned
that he got that idea from her. Fourteen past five, Heather,

(40:43):
what is the value of the eight percent of the
contracts that were awarded to the Maori businesses? I don't know,
but three thousand of them. There's quite a lot of money.
You can imagine that that has been set aside for now.
The thing about it is you can't quantify how much
of it shouldn't have been spent, because at least some
of those businesses actually would have deserved, like on an
open market anyway, to win the tender, do you know
what I mean? But now, of course, because of what
Labor did, everybody's going to have different ideas about it. Hither,

(41:05):
I don't think there was a Republican strategist more like
a Democratic one. What you need to understand is the
Republicans are quite angry with Trump at the moment because
they think he lost the debate and they are not
seeing the wood for the trees. Just watch. I don't
think it's going to shift the poles. And plus, also
because of all the free publicity that he's getting, because
everybody's freaking out about his cats and dogs comment, he
will actually probably come out of it just fine for him, unfortunately,

(41:28):
eighteen past five. Now, everybody loves a bit of property porn,
don't we. We all do, right, But do you love
it this much? According to new data, fifty nine percent
of us are doing what they call dream scrolling, Twenty
eight percent of us are doing it every single week.
Thirty eight percent of us would rather dream scroll than
look at rugby, and twelve percent would prefer it over sex.

(41:51):
Property commentator Ashley Churches with me. Now, hey, Ashley Gather,
I mean you love the property porn of all the people.

Speaker 17 (41:57):
Right Interestingly, prior to your producer ring you earlier today,
I don't think it's something I'd ever done other than
when I was actually seriously looking at buy and I
don't think I even just go online to have a look,
but I know people do, and I can kind of
understand what drives it.

Speaker 9 (42:13):
Escape is in yeah, a little bit of that.

Speaker 18 (42:16):
And also I saw the stats and it indicated that
it's overwhelmingly people under thirty four, I think, or thirty nine.
So if you think about the cycle of life, either
which you and I went through sort of going through.
You start out your first passion is getting your first home,
so you know, you're looking to see what's available, what
the other guy's got, who's over the fence, And then

(42:36):
you get your first home, and then, as we're all
wont to do, because life's about competition, you're then looking
to see who's got something better than you, to see
whether or not there's something better out there than what
you've got. So I kind of get it, and yeah,
I guess that's what drives it.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
It feels to me like it's an activity that you
do when there is a change of life coming up, right,
So you need to buy your house, or maybe you
need to downscale, or maybe you're going to quit your
job and you want to do something else, move somewhere else.
That's when you start for normal people, that's when you
start your properly porn Yet I.

Speaker 18 (43:06):
Think so and so, at the risk of being hopelessly sexist,
I think it probably depends on your gender because I
think with women, yeah, I think with women it's about,
you know, if you've got a baby coming along or
something's changing in your life, absolutely looking for a bigger home.

Speaker 17 (43:19):
You looking for a home.

Speaker 18 (43:20):
It's got somewhere the build a nursery. I think with
guys it's more likely to be not so much about
the house itself, but what the house, what the house
is worth. So so guys are looking to see what
what a better house might cost relative to what they've
currently got or because the other thing I understand from
the study is quite common as people will look at
their friends and neighbors place as well and snoop on those.

(43:41):
And again, with women, it's looking to see what their
friends and neighbors have. With guys, it's looking to see
what their friends and neighbor's houses are worth.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Now that's a.

Speaker 18 (43:48):
Huge generalization, but I don't think it's an unreasonable if.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
There was anything that you didn't is there anything you
don't have in your house that you would dream scroll for?

Speaker 18 (43:58):
I think I can honestly say no, I'm going to
point in my life where I'm actually pretty happy. I
live in a lovely spot on the beach here in
Hawk's Bay. But you know, maybe when I was younger,
maybe when I was younger, I might have had look
to see if somebody had a pool or a spar
pool or something. But no, now I'm going to point
a life where I'm just pretty happy with what I have.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Beach and Hawks Base sounds awesome, Ashley, thank you very much.
I don't think i'd want to look at anything else either.
That's actually church property commentator. If I could, If I could,
I would. I just can't be naft moving though, like
really cannot like ever again. So I probably just have
the pool installed rather than going and buying a place
that had a pool. I think I've probably solved that problem.
I'm just gonna get a pool when I'm rich. I'm

(44:35):
just going to put a pool in. I'm not gonna
look at any more properties, because moving house what a
ball ag five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allan drive with one new Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be either.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
My wife spends hours dreams scrolling tea mood. You know what, Ben,
I think. I think we dream scroll all the things now,
don't we? Five twenty four Listen how cute with the
black ferns giving King Charles. I want to talk about
this and something that Darcy Waldergrave raised on the show yesterday.
The question he asked was do we want our all
blacks to be a little bit more like our black ferns?
And he asked the question obviously because the black Ferns

(45:13):
pretty much went viral around the world for having the
cheek to break palace protocol and hug the King, and
they loved it, and he looked like he loved it.
And it's frankly hard to imagine anyone watching that video
and not loving it because it was so cute and
full of joy. Would we like the all Blacks to
beached a little bit more like that? I think we would.
I'm not saying that they need to go why. I

(45:34):
can't imagine blokes from New Zealand bowling up and hugging
the King, So I'm not being like unrealistic about that.
I don't think they want to go full noise like
the Black Ferns, but just a little bit. And I'll
tell you why, because the All Blacks are boring. They
are so boring that is deliberate, by the way, that
is not an accident. Somewhere along the line in the
professional area, the rugby bosses decided that the jersey was

(45:56):
more important than the man, and that's why they don't
write the players on the back of the jerseys like
other countries do. They apparently had considered it, but then
they decided not to. It's also why you hardly ever
see any intimate, behind the scenes personal stuff with the
All Blacks, because they're all all Blacks. They're not actually humans.
This is by design. Now, that is fine. Ultimately, the

(46:16):
most important thing is actually that the All Blacks win
the game. But once they win the game, and I'd
be surprised if I would like to know if other
people do this too, once they win the game, I
turn the telly off. I don't sit around for the
post match interviews like I do with the Warriors because
I don't care because they're boring, because they're going to
say nothing other than something like, oh was a gome
with two halves, and yeah, the boys left everything on

(46:37):
the field. I mean, what a yawn. You can already
predict what's going to come out of their mouths, right,
So yes, I would. I would actually much prefer if
they were even half as fun as Ruby Tooey was,
or even a quarter as spontaneous as the Black Ferns
were the other day, or you know, frankly, like, let's
just do something that we can actually realistic, realistically achieve

(46:59):
if Razer was allowed to bust out his break dancing
again now that he's the All Blacks coach. If they
did this stuff, the upside for them is that I
would stay tuned to Sky TV just a little bit longer.
I would maybe pay to stream some of the content
from the New Ends at our streaming platform. I'm not
gonna do that if the players are dull, but I
might do it if I'm going to see something that

(47:19):
might be slightly entertaining. So actually, New Zealand Rugby and
its partners like Sky would stand to make a little
bit more money off me and other people like me
if they just had their players be a little bit
more interesting. So I would say, not only do I
want it, but it's actually in their best interests financially
to be a little bit more like the black ferns
Heather Al the sport tudle about it. They're going to
be with us shortly. Actually, speaking of rugby, we're going

(47:41):
to talk to the Super Rugby Chief executive about the
changes they've just rung in today for the format of
the game. Now on the Treaty principal spell, David Simmol
was waving the white flag. Remember how not that long
ago he was saying Chris Luxon could be convinced and
if it was popular enough, the Nats would change their
minds and so on. He has basically to conceded he's
not going to be able to pass this bill. But

(48:04):
on the bright side, he's saying that because of what
he's doing right now, at some point in the future,
a bill like his will pass.

Speaker 13 (48:13):
Was put up the first Youth and Asia Bill in
nineteen ninety five. He knew that he didn't have a
snowballs chance at hell, but he made it possible for
Peter Brown's bill, which lost by only two votes, which
made it possible for my bill, which won by ten votes,
actually twenty.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
It was seventy fifty.

Speaker 13 (48:29):
So you know this is how these things tend to go.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So what he's saying is he started a process now
that we may see the dividends of in decades to come.
And basically because he's reduced the eck right, we don't
have eck about talking Five years ago, we wouldn't have
talked about this, but we talk about this stuff now.
But he's also conceded defeat, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Oh hard questions? Strong opinion ever? Duper?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
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Speaker 2 (49:00):
Your plath and bod he's drinking night.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
You thank him about me.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
When you're riding where he's driving.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Now you live in last week, nimmy, you see when
you're plaything he's drinking.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I only want to see raise the breakdowns again when
he wins us the World Cup. Well, OK, fair enough,
I mean I think that is an occasion for the
bosses at end z Art to let him break downs.
Don't you think if there's ever a time where the
man should be allowed to do his second favorite thing,
that should be get We're going to be speaking after
six o'clock to a chap called Paul Robinson, who is
one of the store owners or building owners on Thorndon

(49:33):
Key and Wellington. These guys are massively disrupted by roadworks
and stuff that are going on there. I thin they're
building a cycleway and the council's just decided today that
they're going to look at whether they need to give
the businesses some money to try to help them through
the difficult times. Fifteen hundred dollars, I mean, come off,
that's like fifteen hundred dollars is not going to do anything.
You might as well just put the money in your pocket.

(49:53):
But anyway, we'll have a chat to Paul about it
after six. I raised this the other day, maybe even yesterday,
that that I was kind of a little bit surprised
that nobody's even slightly worked up about the fact that
we were supposed to play cricket against Afghanistan, which is
a Taliban led place, And Dylan Cleaver, who writes on Sport,
has just raised exactly the same with the same thing today.

(50:14):
Why is Black Caps Sport in contact with Afghanistan not
receiving the same sort of blowback that the All Blacks
did when they were playing South Africa in the nineteen eighties.
We're gonna have a chat to the sports huddle who
are standing by very shortly. It's twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Six Heather Dupla see Allen.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
So changes are coming to Super Rugby. The playoffs have
been reduced from eight to six teams. Once three of
those teams are knocked out, there will be a lucky
loser from the losers who makes it through to the
final four. And for families this is good news. There
will also be three Sunday afternoon games. Jack Mesley is
the chief executive of Super Rugby.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Hey Jack, Hi, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I'm very well. Do you reckon that what you're doing
with the finals and the playoffs is enough to get
us interested again?

Speaker 19 (50:55):
I certainly hope so, Heather. I think we're really excited
about the new finals format. We think it's going bring
a lot of interest at the back end of our
regular season and certainly provide lots of compelling content throughout
the final series.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
With the new format, did you think about going further?
Did you think about doing things like allowing New Zealand
based players to go and play in Australia and be
traded and stuff like that.

Speaker 19 (51:18):
Well, I'm new in the role, as you know either
and as is the board, we're certainly looking for all
opportunities to grow super ugly specific So at the moment,
certainly nothing's on the nothing's off the table. But right now,
you know, our key focus has been to reinvigorate the
Final series with this new sixteen format and we're super

(51:40):
excited by that.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
So you sound like you've got on an Australian accent,
do you?

Speaker 12 (51:45):
I do?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Do?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I mean you would admit that the Australian teams suck
and basically need New Zealand players to make them competitive.

Speaker 19 (51:52):
Well, what are you to be sure about that the
Australian teams? Some of the Australian teams had a great
season or some great rugby content throughout last season, and
I think with some of the announcement the Aussie teams
are making at the moment, the squads are shaping up
really well. And you know, I think what this six
team finals format actually does is make sure rather than

(52:14):
eight teams as we've previously had, and as fans have
sort of told us that they're not that in love
with the eight team format, it's going to make sure
that the best teams play the best teams and that's
going to you know, that's going to provide some great content.
And we hope that the six teams are made up
of teams from all around the Pacific, be that Fiji

(52:35):
with the Drewer, be that the Australian teams or indeed
Minor PACIFICA and the New Zealand club. So you know,
we want the best teams to get into the top
six and we want them to go absolutely hammering times
to provide some unbelievable rugby content come the back end
of the season.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Jack, I've been told that the Sunday afternoon games a
use it will lose it. If we don't attend them,
you'll just scrap them and go back to Saturday evening games.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Is that right.

Speaker 19 (53:01):
I'm a huge fan of Sunday format. We've got to
make sure that they work both for crowd build but
also for our great broadcast partners. So yeah, we want
people there for daytime rugby. We want families to get
out and see our amazing athletes juke it out, but
we want to make sure that our broadcast partners are
happy with it as well. So you know, I think

(53:22):
We've all worked together to get some Sunday fixtures in there,
and we wanted to work for all of it, all
of all of the ecosystem, the broadcasters, the clubs and fans.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
How will you know if it's a success.

Speaker 19 (53:36):
Well, I mean these days we have lots of data
to be able to measure success across those different elements.
So we'll be watching that really carefully and hopefully be
able to tell it a great story.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Jack, It's good to talk to you. Beast of luck
with it. That's Jack Measley, Super Rugby's Chief executive twenty
away from Sex the.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
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Speaker 8 (54:06):
I actually like the fact that we've got a Super
Radio Pacific.

Speaker 19 (54:09):
Board thinking about these things with a fan first mindset.
How can you get good finals, quality and quantity into
those weeks.

Speaker 15 (54:18):
We want everyone and no matter of their gender or
how they identify, to be able to participate in the
community sport.

Speaker 20 (54:23):
That is really important, but also that there's fairness in
the sports and safety.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
On the sports stitle of us. This evening we have
Adam Cooper, host of the All Sport breakfast in Wellington
and Jason Pine weekend sport host, Hello you too, Hello,
hello Piney. How are they going to know if it's
a success.

Speaker 21 (54:46):
I think crowd numbers will be a good indicator. I
think people turn up to watch again. I like the
afternoon kickoffs Heather. Hopefully there'll be a few on Saturdays
as well, which I'm hearing there will be.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (54:56):
I think the biggest metric is as crowds or the
most obvious metric is they'll probably ask the teams whether
they're enjoying themselves. I love the fact that there are
more derbies. The finals format, I'm not entirely sold on.
I think it's a little bit confusing with the lucky loser,
which is I think if you can't explain a concept
to somebody in less than ten seconds, then you know.

(55:16):
I'm not sure it's exactly the right one. I get
that they want more finals games. It really gives them
one more, but look, I'm willing to be convinced. So yeah,
I like a lot of what the new format.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
But it's been a way of doing it because the
thing is eight was far too many, right and six
is about right. Fours too few, six is about right,
but then you end up with the weird three.

Speaker 21 (55:36):
Yeah, so do only either way they could have done
it is one and two get a buy into the semis.
Three plays six, four plays five for the right to
play the semi finals. That's more regular, it gives but
it gives you one less game and they want more games.
They want, as Jack said, more content. So that's the
reason they've gone with what they have.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
What do you reckon, Coops, Yeah, I reckon six are
still too many? To be honest, you give us four,
give us the four best team? Just looking at the
table from this year that the sixth place team was
the Highlanders, who won six out of their fourteen games.
Is that playoff worthy? Is that worthy of recognition in
the chance to go up against the top team? And
one verse six, which is what is scheduled, is again

(56:16):
just such a mismatch. I think whatever, you know, quality
over quantity in terms of the content that they want,
and that first round of the playoffs for me, these
last few seasons has been the most uninspiring sort of
portion of Super rugby from the year because predominantly it's
got two or three mismatch matches.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
So, Coops, you've struck on something that I think I
was kind of getting at with Jack just before, which is, Yep,
it's changes and look, it's going to be better than
it was, but it really doesn't go far enough, Like
you have to. If you want to save this particular format,
You've got to go a lot harder, don't you think.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
Yeah, well, I mean I'm sort of just of the view.
There's eleven teams next year, and you know, more than
half of them are going to make the playoffs, which
I just think is not the right format. Take it
to four, I have two weeks of grueling, exciting, couple
of rugby games to decide semi five lists, and then
the finalists maybe have a you know, third verse fourth playoffs.
So you get four games as part of a you know,
intense high high fun and an intense playoff series for

(57:09):
everyone to watch and enjoy and really reward the teams
and make them fight for those top four spots during
the year. But I do think, you know, the biggest
measure is people actually getting along, being involved with the teams,
feeling connection with fans, and I do get the sense
that rugby, especially you know, some of the super rugby
clubs around New Zealand are starting to have that wake
up call and treat fans a little bit more like family,
have them involved, have players out of the community a

(57:31):
lot more. And that's just such a big part of
keeping people integrated in the game of rugby as well.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Poney, listen, what do you make of my argument that
the black all Blacks need to stop being so boring
and be a bit more like the black Ferns.

Speaker 21 (57:43):
Well, I think I mean what I've found in my
in my life, admittedly a bit of a sheltered one, Heather,
is that is that females are, on the whole a
lot more interesting than males most of the time.

Speaker 18 (57:51):
Anyone.

Speaker 21 (57:52):
You know that they're better talkers, they're better conversation lists.
They seem to they seem to be able to, you know,
to connect with with others a lot more.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I think that's so unfair. Look look at the two
of you. You're on the sports title with me this evening,
and you're great talkers.

Speaker 21 (58:07):
Pioney, Well, I think most people are tuned in for
you hither, that's the thing. But look, I love how
authentic the black ferns are. Look, and I love how
disarming they are so much so that you know, snooty
old King Charles was quite happy to have a hug
with them, you know, go against royal pronio. Look, anything
that connects us as fans to our teams, it has
to be a good thing. And like I say, the

(58:29):
Black Ferns seem to have struck a magic formula under
which actually it doesn't actually matter how they go on
the field. Well, that's important. They have have found a
real deep, old use word again connection with us, which
a lot of other teams could take, could take real
note the coops.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I think there is financial upside in this for the
All Blacks if they stopped being so dull, because I
think that they would actually get us to stay tuned
for longer, consume more content, maybe even buy more merchandise
with their name on it if we like them, don't you.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
Think, Well, I think it's just been the case that
you know that there have been such a professional arm
and professional organization, and you know, Mammoth won at that
for so long that there it is just almost a
machine that you know, things are very controlled, things are
very sort of done by the book, and there isn't
that chance necessarily for that character of a lot of
these players to come out. You know, you talk to
some of these players just around the traps and outside

(59:17):
of a formal interview situation, they are just as funny.
They are just as exciting and charismatic as some of
these black fans are. But there's often just been a
line that's that's been put between them and between them
and the media.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
So who is charismatic in the all Blacks?

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Oh, there's plenty of players. I can say that they
have great fun. They are fantastic. We just don't see it.
You don't see it because those walls are up and
the moment I think we will see them.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Do you know who it is? Coops? Are you still there?

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Yeah, I'm listening.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I'll put you on the spot here. If you name
an interesting all black, is it going to reveal who
your drinking buddy is?

Speaker 6 (59:56):
As example, new All Black? This, Yeah, Pussily a TOSSI
fantastic guy.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Okay, I'm just drinking.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
I'm as drinking buddy, are ye?

Speaker 20 (01:00:02):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Jeseus? Well, if he's interesting, I'll be as drinking buddy Pinney.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Jordie Barrett strikes me as quite a fun guy. He
could be quite fun.

Speaker 21 (01:00:10):
Coops, is need, right though, you know that these are
guys who perhaps, and again I wonder whether it's a
not entirely, but it is a bit of a male thing.
We don't like to sort of put ourselves out there
too much, you know, these guys are they're rugby players.
At the end of the day, not everybody loves public speaking,
you know, not everybody loves the media. Odders that may sound,
you know, inside their own inside their own environments. I'm

(01:00:32):
sure they're just like any other bunch of guys who
check a little bit of jib around at one another,
who do have a laugh, but you know they are
also in a pretty different position from say me and
Coops or or anybody who happens to be listening in
this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break, come
back with you guys shortly as coming up thirteen away from.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Back with the sports tititle. Coops, tell me what you
think about that letter from the former Olympians which came
out this week. Do you think that community sports should
or should not include transgender athletes.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
Yeah, I'm going to struggle to sit here and argue
one way or the other because there's a lot of
science to read through that you know, there's many different options.
But I think there's what there's a couple of things
that I think, you know, it needs to be discussed here,
and that's that when you've got fifty Olympians with the
likes of Barbara Kendall's name on a letter and a
Stanley's name, Jeremy Stanley, that they can't be discounted by
the Sports Minister when when looking at some guidelines and

(01:01:27):
I think one general guideline which Sport New Zealand have
for all community sport probably is going to be looked
at and tweaked and probably can't be the status quo
because I think you need more than just former athletes
to weigh into this. You need stakeholders and you pretty
much need I think the community sport model to do
what all sports around the world and are doing, and

(01:01:48):
they're doing their own research as to their particular sports
and they are deciding it amongst themselves, not one blanket
rule for all. So it's going to be really interesting
to see what Chris Bishop and the government do around here.
It's almost a damned if you do, damned if you
don't situation. Considering that, you know the often hostile debate
it can be. But you get the sense that he
is looking to maybe change some of those community guidelines,

(01:02:10):
which will be really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
I've conflicted on this one, Piney, because I mean, I
really want everybody to be able to go and have
a run around on a field just like normal punters,
like we do on a Wednesday night or whatever with
our mates. But then I don't want a woman to
be bashed into by a transgender woman and really hurt.

Speaker 12 (01:02:26):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 21 (01:02:27):
Yeah, to balances, and you've got to balance these things diversity, opportunity,
fairness and safety, I think, and you know, at a
community level, they're all important. The high you go into
the elite competitive side of things, feness becomes elevated, I think,
and that's where we get a lot of the robust
debate around when you know, when it just seems unfair
to people, that's not fair that those two are up

(01:02:48):
against one another. Unfortunately, what this debate does is brings
out the worst and people on both sides of the spectrum.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
You know, there's just.

Speaker 21 (01:02:54):
People out here yelling at the rain most of the time,
you know. So look, I don't think I'm going to
find lants either, but there has to be a balance
strike at both community and elite levels.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
For me, I don't have a lot of time coopsball.
What do you reckon? Should we be outraged that the
Black Caps we're going to play Afghanistan?

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Well, I mean, look, I think every if you look
into different sports in different worlds where money comes from,
I mean, you'd be stopping all sport if you were
counting out you know, immoral actions, you know, bad money,
all all that kind of stuff. So I think, you know,
we want the Flat Caps to play cricket and one
off test against Afghanistan. I wasn't too uncomfortable like that.
I am uncomfortable about the scheduling.

Speaker 20 (01:03:33):
To be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Here is that the thing that got your goat pony?

Speaker 21 (01:03:37):
It was, yeah, Look, she's a cricket test and I'm
on soon season. It's like having a one day International
and napier. If you wanted to reign and nap you
just chid a cricket mats.

Speaker 10 (01:03:43):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Jesus tells us a lot about our morals, guys. I
really appreciate the pair of you, Adam Cooper, Jason Pine
our sports title this evening seven away from six Pine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Be the maybe Razor and ray Gun could dance off
at halftime when the All Blacks play Australia. You mark
you should be running the New Zealand Rugby Union with
ideas like that, because that's a fantastic idea. I'd stay
tuned for a very long time for that, wouldn't you. Hey,
Eden Park, I am loving Eden Park's commitment to concerts.
They are going hell for leather on this. They have

(01:04:24):
knocked down one of the stands. This is the Lower
West Stand and basically that why they've taken the standout
is because it was basically getting in the way of
people being able to stand on the ground and watch concerts.
So in a weird way, they're almost prior almost They're
probably gonna hate me for saying this, but almost prioritizing
concerts over sports fixtures. Now it's almost and not quite

(01:04:46):
because it was twelve hundred permanent seats that they're taking
out right, and what it gives them is potentially up
to ten thousand spectators at a concert. So you can
see that the maths makes it work. They reckon that
taking out the twelve hundred twelve hundred seats. You can
sort of replace the capacity by having a standing room
area or some temporary stand standard temporary seating or a

(01:05:08):
retractable stand or something, so they can kind of make
it back. But they are I mean, I'm choosing to
see this as a prioritization of the concerts. That is fantastic.
I love that it's going to rip some people's nineties
in Mountain. But anyway, we'll see how they go with
this little thing trying to get twelve twelve concerts across
the line, because that's still a process that's happening. The
latest thing, by the way, it's four away from six.

(01:05:31):
The latest thing is you can now buy coffee that's
made from whatever, but it's not made from coffee beans.
This is this is how, this is how intense people
are getting about worrying about their habits herting the planet
because apparently coffee is really bad for the planet because
it's one of the biggest de foresters in the world
right and that's not good for climate change, et cetera,

(01:05:51):
et cetera. So now what they're doing is they've tried
for the longest time to make a product that tastes
like coffee and gives you a caffeine hit, and they
haven't been able to pit. This particular company called a
Tomo has But get a load of this. This is
what they make the coffee out of date seeds, ramon seeds,
sunflower seed extract, fructose, pea protein, millet, lemon, guava, finugrick seeds,

(01:06:17):
caffeine like processed fake caffeine that they're now putting in
and baking soda. So I don't know about you, but
if I had to choose between that gigantic list that
reads like a novel, putting that into me or just
putting in a bit of coffee, I'm gonna go that
maybe the coffee is more healthy. What do you think?
But you know you do you Now you can have
a coffee, you can go out, you can order a

(01:06:37):
self a coffee. It's got no coffee in it and
no milk. So what if you're drinking is not even
a coffee anymore. Headlines next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Keeping track of where.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
The money is flowing with a business hour with the
Duplicylan and my Hr on news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Atv even in coming up in the next hour. Apparently
foreign companies are getting real cold feet about investing in China.
Peter Lewis will where the shortly talk us through that
very soball wrap the political week that was in Gavin
Gray is with us out of the UK at seven
past six. Now Wellington Council has voted in favor of
having a look at whether they should give businesses on

(01:07:19):
Wellington's Thornton Key a micro grant. This would help them
stay afloat during ongoing roadworks and disturbances. But the microground
grant is worth just fifteen hundred dollars. Paul Robinson is
the chairman of the Thornton Key Collective, which represents the
area's business. As he Paul high Heather, fifteen hundred bucks
doesn't sound like a lot. Is it going to help?

Speaker 20 (01:07:40):
Well, it won't help. It's just a distraction from the
real issues, which are what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
Well.

Speaker 20 (01:07:47):
The real issues are that businesses are facing a downturn
along Thornton Key that is far more severe than any
downturn that's been caused by the economic circumstances. We presented
a petition to Wellington City Council two years ago asking

(01:08:09):
them to do an external review of the likely impacts
of this roading project on businesses, and they refuse to
do it. They turned us down. The economic consequences have
been vastly in excess of what anybody anticipated. So we
present another petition asking them to do that and also

(01:08:32):
look at other issues such as the pipes that run
under Thornton Key that need replacing, and looking actually at
their original business case. But we get knocked back again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
So the disruption that's caused you is the removal of
the car parks and all the digging up of the
ground and all of that kind of stuff. Yeah, yep,
And how much do you reckon it's cost your business?

Speaker 20 (01:08:53):
Well, we own one of the old historic buildings. My
family's got the old Wall store down in Thornton Key,
and you know, that's been a wonderful community over the
last twenty years and it's never really had any vacancy.
But now you know, we've got four vacancy out of
the twenty odd tenancies. In there and more will emerge

(01:09:15):
in the coming year.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
And have you done the numbers? Have you any idea
how much this has cost you?

Speaker 13 (01:09:21):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:09:21):
Look, I could hazard a guess. We will know when
the qvs come out. But it's millions. Well that's a
twenty million dollar building, and who knows whether it's had
thirty forty percent of its value knocked off, So you're
talking multiples of millions, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
How long is this this disruption supposed to carry on for.

Speaker 20 (01:09:45):
Well, it should be finished by the middle of next year.
The difficulty we've had with that is that the communication
has said you'll only be disrupted for twelve weeks while
work happens outside your building. But the reality is, for
anybody who goes down Thornton Key, you see we've been
orange cone orange coned basically from our navel to our neck.

(01:10:10):
How longe, Oh, for the whole eighteen months.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
So are you telling me so they've given you fifteen
hundred dollars for eighteen months worth of disruptions, not even
a thousand bucks a month. Oh hell no, what is
this money supposed to do?

Speaker 22 (01:10:27):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Who were they kidding? What is fifteen hundred dollars supposed
to do well.

Speaker 20 (01:10:32):
I know what I'm going to if we get fifteen
hundred bucks, I probably should share it with my brother
and two sisters. But actually probably what I will do
is I'll probably go down to the Capitol restaurant and
have a fifteen hundred dollar lunch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
I think, why don't you spend it on an advert
in the local paper telling everybody how annoying the counsel is.

Speaker 20 (01:10:49):
We have spent a lot of time on social media
telling the public how annoyed we are with the council,
and we have a huge following. If I put a
poster tomorrow, I'll get six or seven thousand people acknowledging
that post.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Paul, thank you for your time, Best of luck dealing
with these numpties. It's Paul Robinson Thornton Key Collective chairman.
That's what I would do with the money. If they
gave you fifteen hundred bucks, which wasn't going to do
jack to help you to last, wouldn't you just spend
it on something completely different like put an ad in
the local paper. And if every business took out an
ad with their fifteen hundred bucks, you could just keep
that thing going for ages, just constant stream of ads

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telling the council how dumb they are.

Speaker 23 (01:11:29):
I quite like the idea of the fifteen hundred dollars
lunch as well here because you know, you know how,
there's always that thing on the menu where it's like
a two hundred year old vodka that was made by
monks and like a Russian monastery, and it costs you, like,
you know, one hundred and fifty dollars for a glass.
You know you could find if you're having a fifteen
hundred dollar lunch, you could finally order all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
It'd be great, you could do that. Yeah. I like
where you're going with the sands. Make make the thing
work for you. But then you'd literally it'll be gone.
What about if you just took the fifteen hundred bucks
and took out a billboard in the middle of town
about what numbtie the councils are.

Speaker 23 (01:12:01):
Well, yeah, I suppose that's probably more likely to help
you your business get back here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I feel like I get more satisfaction out of the
fifteen hundred bucks that I would spend on a billboard
that I could continue to look at, as opposed to
a drink that I would just drink. A big and
it'd be gone. What do you think, maybe just one
glass of the fog? Give okay, one glass of the vodka,
and then the rest goes on. Ads and billboards got
the numbers for you on how many people in the
US watched the debate. It was big, It was really big.
It was sixty seven million people. Now how you know

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that's big is because the Biden and Donald Trump debate,
which was already big, was fifty one million. So fifty
one million shot up to sixty seven million. That'll be why.
And you know how Trump loves a crowd size, so
that would really that will be ripping his ninety about
how badly he did in the debate to his you know,
apparently and had lost it. Bad news for Boeing. Thirty

(01:12:47):
three thousand of their workers are going to go on
strike tomorrow morning. This is their first strike in sixteen years.
And I think we can all agree this is not
what Boeing needs right now. Boeing's planes suck, Boeing's got
a couple of people stuck up in space they can't
get back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Bowen's workers are going to go on strike too. Union
members voted against a proposed four year contract here's the
interesting bit. Even the union leadership says this was the
best deal it had ever negotiated with the airline. Would
have given staff pay raises, pay rises, get this of
at least twenty five percent, would have increased their job security.

(01:13:22):
But they're still going on strike. Coming up fourteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Six, crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather
dupicy Ellen with the business.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Here's the point. This is what's going on on Thorndon Key,
just so you can understand what's going on going on
with Paul's business Hither. I went up thorn and Key yesterday.
I thought I'd go to Bordeaux Bakery for lunch. It
was conageddon, zero parks anywhere, so I just kept on
driving a founder park in Featherston Street and I went
to Astoria instead. Councils are destroying business. That's from Andy, Andy,
thank you for putting that in perspective. Right, it's coming

(01:13:57):
up seventeen parsix to wrap the political week that WASR.
Soper is our senior political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Heather.
See Donald Trump doesn't want a second debate.

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
Yeah, it doesn't come as any surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
To me at all, because he knew he lost the
last one.

Speaker 9 (01:14:10):
And indeed, Carmala Harris or Camilla Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Or Carmela going to be painful.

Speaker 10 (01:14:17):
I know it is for you.

Speaker 9 (01:14:19):
That's not for me because I sort of know how
to say it. But anyway, oh, Carmala Harris. She is
champion at the bit to have another debate with Donald Trump.
But not surprisingly, Donald Trump isn't interested. And you know,
when you look at the lead up to this debate,
the big question being asked was whether Harris what would

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be a match for Donald Trump. Well, not only was
she a match, she annihilated him in my view. I mean,
and I know the contention, and it's a contention than
you hold, and I think it's a pretty good one
when you think about it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
That you know, when he.

Speaker 9 (01:14:54):
Talks about Hiatian refugees eating cats and dogs and family pets,
He's seen one television program that maybe portrayed that, But
the fact that he said it, what are we talking
about when it comes to the debate exactly? And so,
like you've said, it's not going to make a great

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deal of difference to the people that will or will
not vote for Donald Trump because you know he's known.
You know, it's a game that politicians do. Plan you
think of our own example in this country. Dare I
say at our old mate Winston Peters, when he mentioned
Nazis in his State of the Nation address, what was

(01:15:36):
the media talking about Nazis? So you know, politicians are
good at throwing something out there. The media will clamor
for it, and rightly so, I guess. But you know
that's the only thing that debate is remembered for that
and executing babies, which is patently This is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Not always true, but it is true with Donald Trump
all the time. There is no such thing as a
bad headline no for him. Okay, did you hear do
not Donald? Sorry, David Seymour cheese, I'm going to cop it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:07):
Se now having problem with names as well.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Did you hear David Seymour's comment about the Treaty Principal's
Bill today when he was doing that press conference. Yes,
And what he said you will have noticed this. What
he said was basically, even if he doesn't get the
Treaty Principal's Bill across the line this time, he has
reduced the X factor in us talking about this, So
at some stage it will happen, do you believe?

Speaker 21 (01:16:28):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:16:28):
Absolutely. I mean it's like, dare I say it? The
changing of the flag issue that John Key raised and
was debated for months upon months, and now we think
about that and every time I look at our flag,
I've got to say I think about it. But you know,
the same principle applies to David Seymour and the Treaty

(01:16:51):
Principal's Bill, because I think a bill that we haven't
even seen yet, but I think further down the track
we've been thinking about it. They may go into the
next election and there won't be any bill in existence,
but it's still been out there and there's nothing to
stop in a new coalition government. David seymore raising the issue,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
You may find when we go to the twenty twenty
six election there may well be a bill. Because one
of the possibilities is that it doesn't get It doesn't
even come up for a second for a third vote, right,
it doesn't even come up for a third vote. It
languishes on the order paper in the way that the
kermit X Bill had languished in the order paper. We
go to the twenty twenty six election with it's still
sitting on the order paper and David Seymour runs on

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that as his platform and.

Speaker 9 (01:17:32):
It doesn't even have to sit on the order paper.
I mean, he can reinstitute it himself, redraft it, stick
it back in the max.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
But it's better for him if it's still sitting and
it hasn't been deleted, because it's still sitting there, and
he can go to the twenty six election and say,
you know how we didn't vote on that, let's go. Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 9 (01:17:53):
I can't help thinking why the National Party is so
opposed to it. I would think that most well polls
have shown that most of its voters believe that there
should be a treaty more defined than it has been.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
I think you would think that traditionally the Conservative National
Party voters, you're right, have got tired of this nonsense
with like government departments giving eight percent of their contracts
to marty businesses, because the marty businesses.

Speaker 9 (01:18:21):
Like we talked about earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Absolutely, Ks Luxen and Nikola Willis have got the ick. Yeah,
it makes them feel gross and weird. Well it does,
and they don't want to go there.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
Well, I don't know why. I think they should have
the courage to go there, but nevertheless they apparently lack that.
And David Seama, I don't think David Team was coming
out of this looking that bad. I think it's fair
that these sorts of things are raised. Surely this country
is mature enough as a nation to debate these issues.
But it would seem not when we've got the Treaty,

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the Waitangi Tribunal out there stirring the pot constantly. You
can see why there are some in the political system
at the moment that would like to get rid of it,
because the only ones that are becoming rich out of
the Waitangi Tribunal are the lawyers appearing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Before it very quickly. Has Darlene convinced you?

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:19:11):
Still not No, she hasn't convinced me at all. I'll
tell you why, Heather. And it's unfortunate because I haven't
seen the full report, and I haven't seen how she
was implicated fully in her husband's business. And I was
talking to somebody that's very seen in the very senior
in the Green Party today and in fact they haven't

(01:19:33):
seen the report either. And the Minushai of exactly what
was arrived at to get kicked out of the party
the way they did it. Constitutionally, they may have a problem,
but I think you'll see the woker jumping legislation will
be enacted in very short order when the judge, probably
in about a week's time, comes down with his decision.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Barry, thank you very much, appreciate it, Bary so, SENIORR
political correspondent, rapping the political week that was hither. The
problem is not just the council, it's also Tory fun
who's the mayor? Forget fifteen hundred bucks and give the
retailers their bloody car parks back. I'll tell you what,
if they had the choice between the car parks and
fifteen hundred bucks, that take the car parks, wouldn't they
And let's understand what this fifteen hundred bucks is. This
is basically a pr payment. It's designed to make the

(01:20:14):
council look like it's trying to help businesses. Because what
happened in the last week. Pandora closed down, if it Edwards,
the florists closed down, Egmont Street, each tree closed like
a whole bunch of businesses have closed down, and so
they know they look bad, like they're business killers, and
they give them it just a tiny bit of money
to make them go away. That's all this is. It's
not actually designed to do anything. Six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Alan and my HR
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Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Hey, beam scooters have just been banned from Wellington. I
think they're pulled off a couple of weeks ago, pulled
off the roads or something. But they've been bound. They've
had the license suspended or removed or whatever. So it's
Auckland down Wellington now that beams beams were being taken off.
Listen to this Out of Australia okay. By the way,
twenty six PAS six nineteen year old kid appeared in
front of a magistrate this week in Waverley on drug chargers.

(01:21:06):
He appeared there because he was picked up near the
Royal Bondie Hotel on Friday last month when the cops
were targeting a diala dealer drug supplies. This is when
you send a text and say I want some coke
and then they come around or whatever. Anyway, so the
cops were watching the hotel, which is a pub. They
saw a man leave the hotel get into the passenger
seat of this kid's car at about twenty to nine,
and the man got out again twenty seconds later, so

(01:21:28):
obviously it was a drug deal. So the cops stopped
them and found the guy had cocaine. And the kid
had seven six hundred bucks Australian in a lollipop container
and eight bags of cocaine. So he's appeared before the magistrate,
Michael Barco, and this magistrate rips him one a This,
by the way, is the third drug supply case that
this magistrate had dealt with in less than two hours.

(01:21:49):
The magistrate says to the nineteen year old kid, you
with respect, are an idiot. You all think you're such
gangsters you come out to the Eastern suburbs with your
encrypted fhones. We are sick of it, he says. He
then says to this kid that he was tired of
drug dealers, assuming that the court would give them just
a slap on the wrist. So he thought jail now

(01:22:09):
basically had to happen to address these dialer dealer operations.
And he said to the nineteen year old, pass the
word around around amongst you mates and think about cooperating
with the cops. And he also said that the kid
had been selling gram bags of cocaine, but the grand
bags only weighed zero point six grams, which made him
a dishonest thief, which is even worse than just being

(01:22:31):
a drug dealer. This kid's back in court next month
for sentencing, and the magistrate told him to bring his
tooth brush a brush as in to say, you're going
to jail this. Can we bring this guy to the
courts here because I love the sound of him. He'd work, wonders,
wouldn't he headlines? Next, then Peter Lewis to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Start crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Have I been telling you about? The UK government got
another weird little thing that they're doing. They're gonna ban
junk food adverts being shown on Tally before nine o'clock.
We're gonna talk to Gavin Gray about it when he's
with us shortly. So this is quite fascinating all the way.
Back in September, a bunch of researchers around the world,
in fact, all of these senses around the world picked
up something that had happened. It was a seismic signal,

(01:23:27):
and they all picked it up in September and they
couldn't figure out what it was, and it was going
on for about nine days. So they all had the chat,
the chat websites whatever, like I don't know scientist WhatsApp
groups or whatever. You know, I don't know scientistsar us
dot com started chatting about like what's going on, look
at the senses of doing this, And eventually, after a
lot of sleuth work, they managed to figure out that

(01:23:47):
what had happened was that there was a mess. And
it's obviously take them a long time, like this is
a full year later that they're telling us what they found.
They found that a massive landslide had happened in a
greenland field, and the landslide was so big it had
basically set off a wave that was something like two
hundred meters big, and because it was in a fjord,
the wave couldn't just roll out to sea and sort

(01:24:08):
of have its energy dissipate. It sloshed back and forth
for nine days, and that was what they were picking up.
And it was so big, the sloshing back and forth
for nine days, that it literally shook the earth. How
fascinating is that? Twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Seven forgiver sel.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Peter lewis our Asia business correspondence with US. Peter, Hello, Hello, Heather.
What are you doing in Bangkok? Peter?

Speaker 24 (01:24:31):
Escaping from Hong Kong for a little bit. I've actually
been in India in Bangalore, India for the last four days,
hosting a moderating an Indian investment conference. So I'm sort
of coming back through Bangkok for a few days, which
is a very very pleasant place in Asia to spend
some time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Have to say, as the food is outstanding, enjoyed. I'm
jealous of you. Now over in the in the EU,
I see Spain wants the EU to ditch those massive tariffs,
aren't they.

Speaker 21 (01:24:56):
This is very.

Speaker 24 (01:24:57):
Significant because this is quite a six living a turnarounds
from Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez. He was in Beijing
at the beginning of the week, met with President she
and has come away saying that the EU needs to
rethink this whole idea of tariffs on electric vehicle imports

(01:25:17):
into the European Union. Now, this has been a big
thing for the EU because it's claiming that, in effect,
China is dumping its over capacity, it's over supplys It's
car makers are getting enormous subsidies from the governments, which
is allowing them to undercut car manufacturers all over the world.
It's causing big problems for EU manufacturers. We're hearing a

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Volkswagen for example, you know, talking about shutting plants, laying
people off because of this flood of electric vehicles. So
the EU solution was tariffs. They put tariffs on on
on a U on Chinese vehicle manufacturers, depending upon how
much that particular manufacturer cooperated with the EU investigation. But

(01:26:03):
it's up to almost fifty percent. But now Spain, a
key member of the EU, is backing down. Now this
is a sort of a success for Jiji Ping's divide
and conquer strategy. What he had been hoping to do
was split the EU on this issue, and one of
the things he did was he targeted an anti dump

(01:26:23):
investigation into pork. Now, pork is a key Spanish export
to China. In fact, all over the world, but particularly
to China, and I think this is obviously rattled Prime
Minister Pedro Sanchez. Now, whether this is enough to affect
the votes that's due to take place next month, which
would make these tariffs on EU vehicles permanent, well, we're

(01:26:48):
not sure because Spain was one of the countries the
eleven countries that originally voted in July on increasing the tariffs.
So it'll be interesting to see now what happens in October.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Do we have any eye deal whether there are others
who also secretly feel the same.

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
I suspect there are.

Speaker 24 (01:27:06):
We know some countries have spoken out quite openly about it.
Victor Orban, the Prime Minister Hungry, has said so. I
suspect there are, because the last thing the EU can
afford to have at the moment is a trade war
with China. Its economy is pretty well on the verge
of stagnation at the moments, particularly Germany's economy. There may

(01:27:28):
even be signs of stagflation, with the economy not growing
but inflation still moving higher. The ECB's just cut interest
rates yesterday. It would almost certainly have to cut interest
rates again before the end of the year. I personally
think the EU is going to have to move far
more than the fedies on cutting rates because It's economy

(01:27:51):
has got sculosis at the moment, it's just struggling across
all front.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Peter, you will have seen the fact that Chinas asked
its car makers to keep the technology that they have
at home.

Speaker 24 (01:28:02):
Do you think that they will, Well, if they're told
by the governments, absolutely they will, because I don't think
they there defy the state coup.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Then how do they manufacture their cars off shore to
try and get around the tariffs.

Speaker 24 (01:28:16):
Well, what they'll do is they will in effect build
them in China in huge sort of chunks and then
just ship over the basic bits and bolt them together,
you know, in a foreign country, whether it be Hungry
or Thailand or Spain. But this isn't really manufacturing overseas,
which is what those countries want to see.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:28:37):
This is the complete opposite to what China did. You know,
when China was industrializing and growing its economy, it was
well known for getting overseas manufacturers to set up factories
in China and then it would watch very very carefully
how they did it and copy that technology. That's how
they've stolen an advance in some areas, but they want

(01:28:59):
to make sure that there that their technology on EBS,
which is pretty advanced and innovative, doesn't get into the
hands of foreign manufacturers. Now, I don't think this is
the idea that the EU wants. I think they thought
that there was going to be, you know, the opening
up plants with the cars actually be fully manufactured in
those countries.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Peter, what is going on here with the kind of
the tipping point that apparently has been reached with companies
foreign companies wanting to invest in China? Is this basically
because right now the risk and reward metric is out,
because the economy is and the doldrums. Is that what's
going on that's part of it.

Speaker 24 (01:29:35):
This comes from the European Chamber of Commerce. Now, actually,
the European Chamber of Commerce has been down on China
for a good couple of years now. Every time it
releases a paper, it's saying that more and more companies
are concluding that the risks of doing business in China
are just too high. They're struggling to make profits because
of all the restrictions that are on them on things

(01:29:57):
like data security, to entry and On top of that,
the economy is not doing well either, which makes it
very difficult for these companies to sell their products in
mainland China at the moment, and we are weak domestic
economy is translating directly into lower profits for many of

(01:30:18):
these companies. Now, the EU does the EU Chamber of
Commerce does an annual report on doing business in China
and how its member firms are doing. And in this
latest report, it's said that the companies have reached the
tipping point in terms of investing in China and that
they're now thinking that maybe there are better opportunities elsewhere

(01:30:41):
outside of China where their economies may be a more
more attractive for some of these EU companies. And they
talked about supply chain risks in particular and how that's
hurting EU companies.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Peter, look after yourself and enjoy Bangkok very much. It's
Peter US, our Asia Business correspond will talk to you
in a week. The commander of Israel spy agency, which
is called Unit eight two zero zero, I don't know
if it's eight two zero zero or eighty two eighty
two hundred or eight thousand, two hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
I don't really know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
I've never even heard of them before, which I suppose
is a good thing for a spy agency. But anyway,
the commander of the spy agency has quit because he's
taking responsibility for failings are that basically allowed Hamas to
get into the country and Israel are the seventh of
October attacks. This chap name is Josi Sail and he
says the responsibility for eight to two zero zero's part
in the intelligence and operation failure operational failure falls squarely

(01:31:35):
on me. That is nearly I mean coming up a
year right, a year they've done the investigation and people
are still coppying it over there for that happening sixteen
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Hey, if you're an Auckland you recently got yourself a
little parking ticket, and the reason you got the parking
ticket was because the parking machine wouldn't leak you pay.
You are not alone. This has happened, by the looks
of things, to about two hundred and seventy different people,
and so as a result, Auckland Transport has canceled two
hundred and seventy parking tickets which are issued in error
for drivers two drivers rather for failing to pay despite

(01:32:17):
the parking machine not allowing them to do so. The
lesson in the story is, do not pay your parking
ticket if you don't think you need to make a
fuss about it, be a squeaky will. You're basically going
to turn into our hero as a result of that.
And look, you might not even have to pay it.
Right now, it's twelve away from seven and with us
now as Gevin Gray are UK correspondent, Hey, Kevin, hither
have that? How big a deal is this that Moscow

(01:32:38):
has revoked the accreditation of six British diplomats.

Speaker 22 (01:32:42):
I think it shows things to getting really, really spiky
between Russia and the West as it's seen. This of
course following the announcement that Iran has been stepping up
its support of arms and drones in particular for Russia
in its attack and war with Ukraine. And what we're
now learning is that Moscow has revoked the accreditation of

(01:33:04):
six British diplomats. The Russian media outline in this no
news yet from our media, but the security service in
Russia says that the six are suspected of espionage and
quote threatening Russia security, and the move is a measure
against quote, multiple unfriendly acts. Well, I'm afraid things have

(01:33:25):
certainly stepped up a gear. This is a serious escalation
of the war, as Vladimir Putin is saying that Moscow
will regard Western missiles being fired into Russia as a
serious escalation of the war. And indeed, Secure Starma is
now in America in Washington for talks with US President
Joe Biden, allies of Kiev really discussing giving Ukraine permission

(01:33:48):
to fire their missiles because of course the West giving
missiles to Ukraine whether to fire their missiles at targets
inside Russia, something that Vladimir Zelensky has been asking for
for a long time. And this in the first few
days of several trips now with the Prime Minister and
the Foreign Secretary David Lammy with international diplomacy going to Italy,

(01:34:10):
which currently holds the rotating presidency of the EU, and
to other countries as well, or trying to get support
and a measure of what we're trying to do its
retaliation by Vladimir Putin and whether or not he's bluffing
that is at stake.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Kevin, what do you make of the ben on the
junk food ads.

Speaker 22 (01:34:31):
It's an interesting one, isn't it. It's certainly now something
here in the UK they are really looking at. We
had a damning report into the National Health Service here
yesterday and part of the problem is obesity and dealing
with obesity and dealing what is seen as almost a
tidal wave of obesity linked illnesses like diabetes, and so
the government had promised before the general election, put it

(01:34:55):
into its manifesto that it would ban junk food adverts
being shown on television before nine pm. Well, they have
confirmed that that is to come into place in a
little over a year's time. I flag it up now
because this is something one of a number of measures
that the government is going to do now. The Conservatives,

(01:35:15):
the party currently of opposition, had committed to the ban
in twenty twenty one, but Boris Johnson pushed back the
plan to give the industry more time to prepare. However,
this government says no, we've had enough now and it
is something being supported by some health professionals including the
Royal Society for Public Health, calling the ban a welcome step.

(01:35:37):
Others are saying, no, we've got to go much much
further than this, And indeed, under the proposals there's a
two stage approach that a product is considered less healthy
for the purposes of the restrictions, and it's a sort
of fine tuning of an earlier definition that just said
products high in fat sold or sugar.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Gevin, do we know what happened to these two paralympians
from the Congo.

Speaker 22 (01:36:00):
They have disappeared, disappeared off the face of the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Have they been kidnetted? Have they been kidnapped?

Speaker 22 (01:36:09):
I suspect there's a hint of absconding here. So we're
talking actually of the two flag bearers for Congo in
the Paralympic Games. One of them, Muriel and Ganga, is
a shot putter and the second, Emmanuel Grace Mumbaco, is
a visually impaired sprinter accompanied by guide. But they went
missing a week ago along with the third person. The

(01:36:31):
suitcases are gone, that they don't have their passports, but
they do believe, yep, they have absconded.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Interesting stuff, Kevin, Thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate,
look after yourself. Enjoy the weekend. Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent,
eight Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Away from seven. Hey, I found it fascinating how the
world has reacted to the Trump Harris debate, apparently in hungery.
I don't know if you remember this, but during the debate,
Donald Trump called Victor Aubarn one of the world's most
respected men, and I mean, I think that kind of
was a surprise to many of us to hear that
I'd respect for what exactly. But anyway, over in Hungary,

(01:37:16):
the pro government media are just absolutely thrilled about this.
As you can imagine. China is a little bit worried
about it, but about both candidates because Donald Trump, they
already know, is unpredictable that I don't know what he's
going to do. But they're also worried about Karmala Harris
because she's an unknown quantity. She's got no track record
in China, but it sounds like she's going to stay
tough on China because she said that the US and
not China would win the competition for the twenty first century.

(01:37:39):
Ukraine is particularly worried about Donald Trump because he was
asked if he wanted Ukraine to win the war and
he wouldn't say, which is like stressing them out. Russia's
confused because Karmala Harris told Donald Trump that Putin would
eat him for lunch. But they don't have the expression
in Russia to eat someone for lunch. So let's just
hope they're not taking that literally.

Speaker 23 (01:38:00):
As training season by due leaper to play us out. Tonight,
Jwa Leiper is coming back to New Zealand. She's going
to be doing one show justin Auckland, so you'll have
to get yourself up to Aukland if you want to go. Unfortunately,
but Spark Arena on Wednesday, April to second. This is
very good news because I was reading a piece this
morning about all the bands that are skipping us, like
Green Day is going to Australia but not coming here,

(01:38:21):
and I think the Killers are doing that as well.
I know, so it seems like we would finally becoming
a bit of a backwater. But you know, Juwe Leap
is going to excuse me, hello, Well, yeah, that seems
to have been what kicked it a lot of her
in the weekend. We've got them to think for it, apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
I think that's real stink from the Killers, because the
Killers have been here multiple times, so maybe they've just
decided they've bled this market out.

Speaker 23 (01:38:40):
Well or the other one of the theories I saw
is that they're kind of too big for Spark Arena,
not really big enough for Eden Park, and we don't
have anything kind of in between those two sizes, so
it just becomes economically a bit of.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
A tricky one.

Speaker 23 (01:38:51):
I don't know where did they play last time that
we're here. I think Spark Arena, but you know they're
big now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
And then they also played at Auckland Town Hall. So
that argument sucks, doesn't it, because that's away, you know,
like A and then what's next? Now, this gig is
just going to be full of teenagers.

Speaker 23 (01:39:05):
A you say that she's been around for a wee while,
so yeah, I think there will clearly be teenagers there,
but there'll be people my age as well, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
So he's the one that a lot of mums are
going to take their daughters to.

Speaker 23 (01:39:15):
Absolutely, yes, A great one to take them to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
What a good time for the thirteen year old sir
ant and I are heard out going to skip Ada.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't mind her, but yeah for
skipping it too. Enjoy See you on Monday by you
Musnosidelines were given.

Speaker 23 (01:39:36):
For someone tell you, for someone tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Who feels like Rod just take.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Taking conversation Christrain.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
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