Full Show Podcast: 14 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spith spins to find the real story boring.
It's Heather Dupaicy on Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talksb.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoons. You do you remember me? That's right,
my name's Heather and I'm back. How good to be
back with you. Coming up today, we're going to have
a chat to a driving instructor on scrapping that second test,
what he makes of that, the Tourism Minister on pumping
more cash into marketing overseas and Finance Minister. As always
on a Monday after sex and Nikola Willis will be
with us. Heather Duplicy Allen right, well, as I say,

(00:35):
it's very very good to be back with you. Finally,
it's been a long time. I've actually been off air
when you count the summer holidays for four months straight.
And I'll tell you what did that give me an
insight into why so many people are frustrated with the
news media. Ahla that aut news media survey which came
out just in the last twenty four hours. Most of
what I did was most of the time that I
was on maternity leave, I just didn't listen to news

(00:56):
talk ZB and you know, obviously love the station, but
it's my work, right, So it's the equivalent of being,
I don't know, a librarian on maternity leaf, but just
popping into the library every day. You don't really get
much of a break if your mind is still in it.
So I decided I'm not going to listen to work.
I'm going to listen to everything else. And what it
meant was that I relied almost entirely for my local

(01:16):
news on the two evening news bulletins. And did that
drive me nuts or what? Because in a fair number
of news stories, what I saw was no fairness, no analysis,
and I'm sorry to say what I would consider to
be a fair amount of media bias. I'll give you
an example, a recent example, right, the situation with Benjamin Doyle,
the Green MP and the creepy bussy galore caption on

(01:39):
the photos. Now, that should have been a story about
what the heck Benjamin Doyle was doing using a pretty
gross phrase like that around photos of their child. But instead,
instead of that ever being what the TV news stories did,
instead they went straight to stories about Winston Peter's being
a mean guy and the fact that we were doing
all these attacks on the Rainbow community and so on.

(02:00):
Or take for example Trump versus Zelenski a few weeks
ago in the White House. Now, obviously what happened there
was outrageous, but there was a very good reason why
Donald Trump did that. He was appealing to his voters,
wasn't he But you wouldn't know that if you watch
the TV news. All you see is some old, deranged
orange guy according to their news reporting, no sense of
why he was doing that, no analysis, just outraged. That

(02:21):
totally clouded the judgment, I thought, and I had to
go to the BBC, of all places, for a bit
of analysis and explanation as to what was going on.
I think that's part of the reason why in this
aut survey only thirty two percent of people said that
they've got trust in the media. I suspect that's part
of the problem anyway. In preparation for work, happily in
the last few weeks, and much to my own relief,
I started tuning into News Talk ZB and immediately felt

(02:44):
a lot less frustrated because while I don't agree with
everything that I hear on this station, at least I
know I'm getting a range of views and I'm getting
a heck of a lot more analysis elsewhere and hopefully, frankly,
I hope that's your experience too. So let's get into
that Heaver do for see Ellen nine three nine two.
By the way, as the text number hit me with it.
It turns out and uncompletely unrelated news, turns out our

(03:06):
public servants are loving the old AI. Almost half of
them forty five percent are using AI and their work.
But the problem is very few have any rules at
work around how to use it now. Kerrie Davis is
the Public Service Association National secretary, Kerry, Hello, Hi, Hi,
he that does this worry you? The use of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
What worries me is not so much the use of
it except without proper guardrails, without safeguards, without training. AI
in itself is not so much the issue. It's the
use of AI without proper proper supports and proper training.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, I mean, because what do these guys have closed
AI or are they just using chat GPT? Do we know.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
There's a whole mixture, but tech GPT is the most
common vemeoes.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
So is it possible that they are uploading sort of
like confidential government documents and to chat GPT.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I wouldn't think so no, So what are they doing more?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
What's the concern that if they're not uploading private and
confidential stuff, then what's the problem.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well, there are still problems about the accuracy of information
that's been utilized through the use of AI and making
sure that you're using the right platform, for the right
platform tool, for the right sort of support if you like.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay, give me an example you might be worried about.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
So one is in terms of when we're talking about
recruitment exercises or any sort of collation of information, there
needs to be guardrails put in place. In terms of
gender and racial bias, there's issues of privacy, there's also
issues of accuracy, and there's also the impact on the

(05:01):
quality of services, particularly when we're aware that New Zealand's
vs community and needs to be tailored to match the
context in which it's been used and the different population
groups in which we're working with. So we do have
an AI framework for the public service and that's not

(05:24):
a bad framework, but what it appears has happened is
that that hasn't been implemented into workplaces. So it's about
translating that framework into workplaces so that people get appropriate
support and training.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Harry, You've lost me. All I'm marrying is a lot
of words. I don't even know what this means in
real life. What's the problem? What we so let's say
I don't know. Let me say. Let's say I'm pick
a department, Kerry, pick a department. Let's say I'm working
at the Treasury and I'm going to into treasury. What

(06:02):
into my little chat GPT. What is the impact of
I don't know, two point five percent inflation on the population.
What's the problem? And it pumps out an answer.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I mean that happens all the time already. You don't
need AI to do that sort of work. The sort
of work that AI has been used for is helping
transcribe and summarize notes. It's also about ensuring that the
right tone might be used in emails or staff communications.

(06:36):
It's also about if you're working in checking code and
problem solving, coding and designer shows, using AC all.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Of the stuff that we feel particularly dangerous to me?
Are we potentially making rules like if what you're arguing
is we need to make some rules around AI, are
we're potentially just making rules for the sake of making rules.
Should we not just let these very competent and often
university educated people just use their judgment.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Well, they are using their judgment, but it's a matter.
You can't like any technology. We've had all sorts of
technology changes over the years, and we've always had appropriate
support and training to make sure that we get the
best out of that technology.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Kerrie, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Mate. That's
Carrie Davis, who's the Public Service Association National secretary. By
Jason Pine's going to be there shortly. Just on the
AI is chatting to a girlfriend of mine the other day.
AI is amazing. She put into aas she wants to
lose weight, so she can only eat in a certain
number of calories a day. Right, so she says to
the AI, AI, can you please come up with a
menu for me that only gives me this number of

(07:38):
calories a day using New Zealand products that are available
in autumn. I've got this in my pantry, so include
that these are my staples. Include that in the recipes.
Please provide me with the shopping list. Please make sure
you include one cup of coffee a day in my
calorie count, and please tell me how to do meal
prep in the days leading up to it, and AI

(07:58):
pumped it all out for her. How incredible is that
called a past?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's the Heather Duper See Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Zippy.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Right, it's coming up eighteen past four Jason Pine sports
talk hosters with us Piney. Hello, welcome back, Heather. Did
you miss me every day?

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I think we know that's not true. I would I
would venture that you did not give four seventeen on
a Monday and a Friday a second thought while you're.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
A I listened to you yesterday and I thought, no,
that's rubbish, and I turned it off. No, I didn't
turn it off. I thought that's quite interesting. He's smarter
than I thought. Piney, thank you for as always making
me feel special. Did you watch the golf? I did?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I was. I was glued to it. Well, I mean,
incredible drama and in many ways, I think it's a
very popular win for Rory McElroy. He seems to have
wanted this for a long time. The emotion when he
finally sunk that part on the playoff hole was pretty palpable,
wasn't it? And look, these guys millions and millions of dollars,
but clearly it still means something emotionally to him, the

(09:04):
one he hadn't won the green jacket they all want
to wear. Only six guys have ever won all four
of the of the majors, which is a very low
number really, and he joins them. So yeah, I was
happy for him. I think it was a popular went
all round.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Really, it was something we're all looking forward to.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
What is going on with Warriors? So is it the
fact that every time we go up is it the
Melbourne Storm? We just can't we can't seem to beat them.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I don't know that I will ever see the Warriors
beat the Melbourne Storm in my lifetime. Now it just
seems as though there is a curse at play here
and we will never again beat them. Seventeen straight losses
to the Melbourne Storm. And look I tuned in, you
know yesterday afternoon. I got home at finish my radio show,
got home at four o'clock, caught right, this is I'm
looking forward to this. I feel optimistic, I feel positive,

(09:54):
and by halftime they were thirty six knel behind. It
was just.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Another incredible aim.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I mean really they just Melbourne are good. Don't get
me wrong here. The Melbourne are a good team. They
are by far the best team in the NRL this season,
you know, on the evidence of the first six weeks.
But I mean second half was better but from the Warriors,
but they were just so far off the pace in
the first half. So yeah, big game this coming. We
came back home, go media against the Broncos Saturday night.
They're going pretty well as well, so let's see if

(10:22):
they can bounce back from another loss to Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Listen, Piney, I've obviously been away for a little while,
so I've been watching the Liam Lawson things, you know
from AFAR. Give me your take on it. Have we
given up? Is it just as as hopeless?

Speaker 5 (10:34):
No?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
No, no, I hopeless. I think we need to accept
that he is going to finish in the teams most
of the time. I don't think we should expect him
to get into the points now that he's dropped down
to the Racing Balls team. When he was in Red Bull,
the cars faster. If he could have come to grips
with it, which he couldn't, he would have been up
on the points. Racing Balls don't pick up a lot
of points. They don't get a lot of play things.
So look, I think he has to try and beat
Hadga his teammate, more often than not, and and just

(10:58):
continue to develop as a driver. To expect him to
pick up points regularly, I think is probably drawing a
very long bug given the car he's in.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Thank you for giving us some context. I appreciate it.
Finance sets me up for the rest of the time.
That's Jason Pine our Sports Talk coaster. We're back seven
o'clock this evening here on news Talk. The reason I
was asking him about it was because, of course Liam
Lawson crossed the line in thirteenth place in the latest race.
But the problem is he'd had a couple of collisions,
so he got fifteen seconds worth of time penalties, so
then ended up being relegated to seventeenth, and then he

(11:26):
got lifted to sixteenth because somebody else got disqualified and stuff.
But I mean, if you're talking about sixteen and seventeen,
it's just not that flash, is it. Heither, How did
your friend know that the AI answer read the food
was correct. I forgot about texts like this. What a
joy to have? What a joy to have? A three
year old texting in because we're going to know if

(11:47):
the food tastes nice or not, aren't we?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Four twenty one moving the big stories of the day
forward a when it's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One
New Zealand, let's get connected. Did the news dogs be hi?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Heather? I absolutely endorse your observations regarding TV news. It's
very biased negativity towards the government, very unbalanced with cherry
picked opinions and so on. Look just for the just
to set the records straight. I'm not particularly picking on
the TV news. I mean, you know, it just happens
to be the only things I was consuming. I think
it kind of speaks to a lot of the media,
you know, Like I think that you can find the

(12:23):
same problems in some print media, the same problems in
some radio media as well, So it's kind of across
the board. Although yeah, as I say, I just I
was consuming the TV news for work related reasons, just
to give myself a break. I didn't give myself. Can
I just tell you this, I had the most I
had the most wonderful maternity leaf. It was lovely. I've
never understood my poort producer the German Laura. She took

(12:46):
a year last time, years long, year long holiday when
she had a baby. I said to her, you just
took a holiday. You're just being lazy. You don't want
to work. Didn't understand why she enjoyed it, because, if
I'm completely honest, I didn't. I didn't enjoy my first
maternity leaf, but this time around, probably because I know
what I'm doing and I'm back in my hometown of Auckland.
I just had an absolute blast. It was wonderful. The
baby is a delight. She's so cute. Obviously, she's my baby.

(13:09):
I'm going to think that, aren't I. You might not
agree with me. I really enjoyed hanging out with her,
But boy was I productive.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
This.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I am not exaggerating. This is the god honest truth.
I tidied every single drawer and every single cupboard in
that house, every single draw and every single cupboard, apart
from my husband's because he's a grown up and I
don't need to do that and there may be things
I don't want to see, so I left his stuff
to him. But every single my fingers were in every drawer.

(13:37):
A place is spotless, it's they're going to be set
up in the next three months. I just know it's
going to be hideous. I did the hedges. I deleted
my email account, my emails out of my personal email account.
I found emails from my ex boyfriend in two thousand
and five. I don't need that and nobody needs that evidence.
Delete got rid of that. Two thousand and five. I
project managed an installation at home. I said, sowed the

(13:57):
tear and the curtain in the front room. I locked
in a new mortgage radar, updated the insurance. I did
all of this. I've cooked meals for the next two weeks.
I've done all of the things. They've been super productive.
So coming back to work, frankly, is going to be
something of a holiday. I think we can all agree.
Do you know what I mean? Mums, mums around the
country right now, mm hm, sister, Yeah, speaking of mums,
we're going to speak to I mean, this is obviously

(14:19):
not her predominant job, but I always think about this
because she has got four children and I don't know
how she does it. This is Nicolawulis talk to Nicolaulus,
the Finance Minister after six o'clock about Donald Trump's trap
Tariff's the latest with us, and this is a moving
thing all every single day. China has today retaliated by
by halting the expert rather sorry of critical minerals and magnets.

(14:39):
You need these things for making cars and space stuff
and drones and rockets and stuff. They've stopped that. That's
obviously a retaliation from them. He, on the other hand,
seems to have blinked. He's decided that he's exempted the
smartphones and the laptops and so on, which you know,
I think people are seeing as a welcome sign that
he's losing his nerve on this one. Now, have a
chat to Nicolaulas. I'm quite keen to see if we
are managing to make any headway looking for exemptions of

(15:02):
our own or you know, waving of the ten percent
terror for whatever. So she's with us. After six o'clock
news is next news talks that'd be.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
I know you said this.

Speaker 8 (15:12):
Time you really are coming back again, baby, baby, start
this telling me the same.

Speaker 9 (15:19):
Oh, Noise, it was a last name.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Noise was a last name.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
The Peterson is going to be at us out of
Australia in just a few minutes time, and then out
of Parliament. We'll have Thomas Coglan of The Herald before
this half hours through. We got byway some tourism numbers
out today, a record number of American visitors in the
month of February. Never had that number come through before,
so that's quite helpful, but helpful because the Chinese numbers
have dropped right back. Nothing to worry about that. I
don't think we don't need to get hysterical about that.

(16:14):
They had Chinese New Year fall in the month of
February and they tend to stay home for that, so
as a result that kind of balances out in the
long term. But anyway, Government today announced pumping another thirteen
and a half million dollars into tourism marketing to try
to get about twenty four thousand visitors to come and
see us in the next wee. Whisk we have a
chat to the Tourism Minister who is up to after
five right now, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So Albow over in Australia has announced that his government
will build one hundred thousand houses for first home buyers
in young Australian. Sound familiar to you, Yeah, it sounds
just like here we build, doesn't it. Well. Elbow's confident
he can do it, though he's been showing off some
under construction townhouses and a battleground electorate in South Ozi today.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
This isn't theoretical.

Speaker 10 (16:58):
This is happening right now behind us.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
OLLI will cover that off in just a minute. At
least thirty four people have died in a Russian strike
on a town in eastern Ukraine. This is one of
the biggest losses of civilian life since the war started.
Here's Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski.

Speaker 11 (17:13):
Every Russian missile, every drone and every glide box strikes
not only our people, but also diplomacy and the political
efforts of everyone trying to end this war.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
And finally, that's the sound of a helicopter crash. Now,
a helicopter crash in South Africa has been blamed on
a penguin. A passenger in the chopper apparently had a
penguin and a box on their lap, and when the
chopper was fifty feet off the ground, the box slid
off their lap and then hit the pilot's controls. At
that point, the helicopter rolled, it hit the ground and crashed.
And their most amazing part about all of this is

(17:48):
that neither the penguin nor anyone else on board the
chopper was hurt.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
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for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Olli Peterson, it's our Perth Life Presenters with us Ali.

Speaker 12 (18:01):
Hello, get ahead, long time, no chat.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Mate, Good to talk to you. Listen as Albert googled
how that one hundred thousand dollars one hundred thousand houses
in New Zealand wind?

Speaker 12 (18:13):
Yeah, that's right, he's just stolen key we build.

Speaker 13 (18:15):
He thought that that was a good idea.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Do you think he went down and just had a
look at how that came out in the end.

Speaker 12 (18:21):
I mean, I'll be honest with you, let's be all
cynical about it. I don't think anybody believes either party
can deliver what they're promising, right, It's just going to
be too hard. Ultimately, Yes, the idea of trying to
get more young people into a home is exactly what
we were waiting for a big policy announcement because it's
one of the major issues in this country. But what
the Prime minist is promising now in regards to I mean,

(18:41):
hitting five percent for a deposit. I mean, we've got
economists in this country predicting that interest rates are going
to be cut three times this year. We just simply
can't build enough houses. So what's that going to do?
Just drive up property prices and Peter Dutton's tax concessions
deductions at least frames it towards the idea of making
sure that you have to build a new home. But look,

(19:03):
the economists are all warning today the bigger picture here,
to be perfectly blunt, Heather is just yesterday at both launchers,
the two parties promised twenty four billion dollars in extra
expenses plus a few tax cuts, and how.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Can we afford it? We're heading towards a trillion dollars
in debt. Yeah, but now are you telling me that
you guys are standing there watching elbow unveiled us, going,
he's never going to do that.

Speaker 14 (19:24):
Of course we are, because.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
They've been promising this for years.

Speaker 12 (19:26):
I mean they've had a whole building scheme for this
first term of government.

Speaker 13 (19:29):
They delivered bugger all.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
So how they all all of.

Speaker 12 (19:32):
A sudden going to be able to deliver it in
a second term. But I think that's both ways. It's
not just about Albin Easy. I don't think Dutton can
promise the world on housing either and deliver it.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
It just is a reality at the moment, Heather.

Speaker 12 (19:43):
Until we tackle migration, we're going to continue to have
these problems.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes point, listen, what's going wrong with your maths?

Speaker 14 (19:49):
We just can't do it.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
So the nap pland testing, which is the bugbear of
every Australian pairrot a few times a year, is starting
to really show some disturbing habits, particularly amongst students in
g grade four. Only thirteen percent of students in grade
four you would consider a competent maths. Now you compare
that to the UK where it's about twenty one percent,
Singapore is about fifty percent. And you know, ultimately we

(20:11):
have our challenges in our education system. It's still a
very good education system. They're worried that the teachers don't
know how to do maths. They're worried about the teaching
methods in regards to the teachers try to pass on
that knowledge to the students, and they're suggesting the solution
here he is to have a basically maths wizard in
every single school who coordinates maths for every single student.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
And I'm not going to put my hand up for
that because I'm hopeless. So just so basically having somebody
who understands maths teach maths. It's great idea, isn't it.
Isn't it? Yeah, well, yeah, isn't it. Just well, good
luck with that. I mean, you've first got to teach
maths to actually have them understand it. But it's the
same problem we face. Listen, tell me about this. So
the Metro in Sydney has been such is such a

(20:51):
hat you guys actually don't have enough trains.

Speaker 12 (20:53):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, if you think about how
popular metro is. I looked at this before because I
thought it was interesting. The population of Sydney, you know,
is the population of New Zealand. Yeah, so there's a
bit of context for everybody, and you probably already knew that.
I thought that was fascinating. But the metro comes every
four minutes in Sydney. Now this is from Bankstown to Tullawong.
I caught it myself over summer. I think it's amazing.
It's like the underground in London, but the new metro

(21:16):
comes every four minutes. Fifty seven thousand people are moved
between the peak hour in the morning just in one hour,
but they now need fourteen more trains to be able
to send those extra services every three minutes instead of
every four minutes. So the popularity of this metro is
just exceeding expectations. And what I love about it is
we all are naysays when it comes to good public transport.

(21:37):
Here's an example of something that works. I mean, all
of our cities will be experiencing growing pains head obviously
Perth and you and I are not exactly right where
Sydney is at the moment, but we will be in
the years to come. So let's look at an example
like this and have some future forward thinking and planning.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, I totally agree with you. It's about doing it,
but actually doing it well that makes the difference. Oli,
thank you so much, really appreciate chatting to you. That's Oliver
Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter got a little bit
of good news for Donald Trump because lately. It hasn't
been fantastic news, has it. He's got his annual medical
report out, and he's actually in pretty good shape for it.
He's the oldest. Remember, he is the oldest president the

(22:12):
States has ever had, right, so the fact that he's
in good shape says a lot. You want the guy
to be in good shape. He's lost nine cages since
he had his last annual medical report in twenty twenty.
He is now not obese anymore. He's just overweight. This
is according to the BMI, So he's sitting in it
slightly under one hundred and two CAGs. His total cholesterol
is one hundred and forty anything below two hundred I

(22:34):
think is considered good. Has blood pressure is one hundred
and twenty eight over seventy four, sitting a bit on
the high side. Might want to address that. Probably not
helped by the KFC and all the cheeseburgers and stuff.
Resting heart rate of sixty two beats per minute, which
is actually impressive because anything between sixty and one hundred
is normal. Sixty two is right at the low end.
Got a bit of minus sun damage to his skin,

(22:55):
and that's been put down to and I quote frequent
victories in golf for Vet's politics is next.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
The politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editors, with us Thomas Hallo.

Speaker 15 (23:09):
Hello here the welcome back.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, thank you very much. Congrats on the job. How
it's day one for you? Isn't it?

Speaker 15 (23:13):
Day one? Day one? Yeah, it's been. It's been great
so far. I've really enjoyed it. We're a bit nervous,
but I'm doing my best.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh good, now you'll be fantastic aut it, Thomas, don't
worry about a thing. Now, tell me what you make
of this lux and versus Winston thing in the trade
war comments. Is it as the Prime Minister says, a
media beat up?

Speaker 15 (23:28):
I have to say I don't think it is. I
think it's probably inappropriate. Winston Peter's over the weekend making
these remarks that that calling the words that the Prime
Minister has been using hysterical and short sighted. Those weren't
directly at what the Prime Minister had been saying. They
were at people who were using similar words to what
the Prime Minister had been using. So reading to that

(23:49):
what you will, I think and you heard David Seymour
say it on the Country earlier today that the Prime
Minister is basically the de facto foreign minister and Black
at least he should probably have his way when it
comes to deciding which direction the country goes that and
goes in and the foreign affairs kind of kind of world.
That said, I do, I do really think that that

(24:12):
Winston has a point when it comes to the lack
of consultation. This is a big pivot, like the Prime
Minister's decision to hit the phones to basically build this
anti unofficially anti Trump coalition of free traders. That is
a big decision for New Zealand to go out on
a limb and be one of the countries that is
most notably in support of free trade and against what

(24:34):
the Americans are doing. And it probably would have been
wise if he'd circulated that amongst not just New Zealand first,
but Act too the coalition.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
But Thomas, this is not going to be a surprise
to anybody that this is New Zealand's position on trade.
Right Well, we are one of the leading lights in
free trade. So what is Winston worried about?

Speaker 15 (24:50):
Yes, you're absolutely right. It would look quite ridiculous if
New Zealand came out and said where in support of
tariffs and cont knows what. I actually thought that the
Prime Minister's speech on Thursday was one of his best,
where he said, you know, in the nineteen seventies, we
tried to put up tariffs and shut the world out
and pretend that nothing was happening, and it was an
absolute disaster. And that's certainly a very accurate description of

(25:11):
what happened there. So yeah, there's no surprise that New
Zealand does a free trading country. We're probably one of
the most free trading countries in the world. So there's
obviously our position. I think we're Winston's coming from and
Winston Peters I should be more respectful and my new job,
the Foreign Minister, I think where he's coming from. Is
is it wise to be sticking a head above the
parapet you know?

Speaker 16 (25:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (25:34):
Yeah, And you know those remarks that that were made
in the Rose Garden where Donald Trump's sort of like, well, look,
these are your tariffs. But if you retaliate, and if
you the couples think well we can go further and farther,
and you think, right, well, I think we'll just take
our ten percent and just quietly go about our business.
And that's probably more where Winston Peters is coming.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
And it's a fair point to say that the Prime
Minister is the de factor foreign minister and therefore should
get his way, right, But if you are looking at
the two of them, you'd be dumb not to take
the advice Winston Peters, who is our most experienced foreign minister, right.

Speaker 15 (26:03):
Yeah, And I think you know, Winston Peters has got
a really good read on on how the Trump administration
thinks and operates. I mean, and that's pretty difficult because
the way it thinks and operates changes from out well.
And and certainly you know you've seen well you saw
a few weeks ago, right with with Ted Cruz getting
grumpy about that that that story in the Israeli newspapers

(26:24):
about Israeli citizens needing student paperwork to come to New Zealand.
That was you know, wrong in the end, but he
got very grumpy and it turned into a massive pilava
over in the States. You really want to not be
on the Americans radar at the moment. They are they
are but trigger happy at the moment. And I think
you know. That's that's certainly where Winston Peters is coming from.
Regardless of the point I think the prime is the

(26:46):
point that Prime Minister is making most people agree with,
even labors that have and and people on the left.
There's a really bipartisan view that that we are a
free trading nation and what the Americans are doing right
now is bad for us. But but whether or not
you need to be drawing attention to it right now,
that is certainly something on which the Prime Minister and
the Foreign min is that don't appear to be on
the same page.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, fair enough. Listen, I looked at this tourism funding announcement.
I thought, for nearly fourteen million bucks to bring about
twenty four thousand people here assumes like a hell of
a lot of money. It was a five hundred bucks
per person, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (27:15):
I haven't actually done done the math on that myself,
but yes, certainly it's I mean it's the tourism numbers
are down, but on COVID levels it's unclear to me,
and I'm not sure the Prime Minister made a strong
case today as to whether it's the advertising and the
marketing that is responsible for them not coming here. When
you look at the numbers, I think the biggest issue

(27:35):
is that China is currently having a bit of an
economic meltdown, which is probably another reason why you'd want
to be be careful with the Americans, because when you
look at our trade staff, it's the Americans who are
really driving the growth. At the moment, China is not
really the golden goose it used to be. So really,
if we're looking to what's wrong with tourism, it's looking
at that China number, which I think is sitting at
about fifty percent yearly of pre COVID levels and thinking

(27:58):
how do we get that back to normal? Because again,
when you look at the American tourism numbers, European tourism numbers,
Australian tourism numbers, they're all looking much better than they
used to be. So I'm not really sure it's a
marketing things, possibly some visa issues there, and then global
economic I.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You're right, Thomas, if you if you're talking about a
puddle amount like fourteen million dollars, then what you're really
doing is you just try to look like you're doing something,
because that kind of money's not going to shift the market,
is it I.

Speaker 15 (28:23):
No? I. In short, I would I. Tourism is not
my my area of expertise, but it would be one
would think would be quite incredible if you had spend
fourteen million dollars in all of a sudden. I'm happy
to be proven wrong, happy to be proven wrong, but
at first blush, that seems that would seem unlikely.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Good on Thomas listening again. Congrats all the job. Really
looking forward to seeing how you go. I know you'll
be amazing. That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's new political editor.
It's nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
The Prime Minister is with us for nine billion, the
new money for defense.

Speaker 14 (29:00):
What magic are you pulling out.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Of a hat to find that you're quite skeptical about
our whole your books and they don't look good. No,
look it is without our fiscal track.

Speaker 17 (29:09):
What it means is that we understand what we've committed
around delivering within our operating allowances.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
You know you're going to have to come to you
here on the Monday after and then you're going to
know that's brilliant.

Speaker 13 (29:19):
You've actually wanted to do all of that defense.

Speaker 14 (29:21):
You've got your financial.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Unless you and I hope you can and your decision
is a good one. But I just don't know where
the nine billion's coming from.

Speaker 17 (29:27):
We're assured, we think we can manage it within our
fiscal settings that we've got.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Back Tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the LAM News talk to ZMB.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Either what a surprise the media thinks it's not a
media beat up. I'm going to come back to this.
I think there's something to be said about that. I've
got to tell you about this first, Okay, Katy Perry,
Lord God, the day we talk about Katie Perry on
the show Katy Perry, though, is a legitimate news story
because Katie Perry is going to space in just a
few hours. She is officially going to be what we
all thought she was, our space cadet. She's amped and

(30:01):
in a kind of like a woo wooh kind of
a way.

Speaker 9 (30:04):
Te minus one day before I get to go to space.
I think, if you know me, you know that I'm
always looking for little confirmations from the heavens, from my guides,
from my angels.

Speaker 18 (30:22):
And so I'm in space training today and it's you know,
there's there's a lot to digest, and they reveal the
capsule name and the capsule's name is tortoise.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Cool. Why is that significant?

Speaker 6 (30:36):
What are the chances that I'm going to space on
a rocket in a capsule with my symbol of the
feather called tortoise and my mom calls me tortoise.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Thank god for everybody else on that flight that the
flight is only ten minutes long, because otherwise you'd have
to listen to lots of that checks. You just know
Katie's going to fill the whole ten minutes with talking
about being tortured like little tortoise girl. Oh wow, I've
asked this question. I still do not know the answer
to this question. What is the significance of sending Katy

(31:14):
Peiri to space other than to leave her there? Why
are we sending Katy Perry to space? Why is this?
Why is this even happening to us today? God only knows. Okay,
to go back to the media beat up, it is
not I know. The Prime Minister rolled out the line
saying today it is by the way, we're going to
talk about Katy Perry going to space in another hour
or so, because it is significance, like the first time
in how many years, sixty years, sixty years that the

(31:36):
only ladies have gone to space by themselves and there
hasn't been a dude. I know, I don't care about
that either, but other people do. Anyway, we'll talk about
that later. So on the Prime Minister saying it's a
media bet up, it's not a media beat up. It
is not a media beat up. When the Foreign Minister
says that the Prime Minister making phone calls to other
leaders around the world about the tariffs is premature, let
me remind you it's.

Speaker 19 (31:55):
All very premature. Well, look, and we're trying to sort
out this other thing with America and China trade war,
I mean rushing off the solutions. That's fine on what
happened there first.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's also not a media beat up. When the Foreign
Minister says, I hope that the Prime Minister gets my
message and he'll call me next time. I mean, that's
him pretty much telling Lutson off in public. And if
you're gonna be picking sides on this one, if you're like, oh,
I wonder who's right here, Christopher Luxon or Winston Peters
I think you have to go with Winston Peters. The
guy's been in the doing the foreign minister's job since

(32:26):
like before half this country was born, so he knows
what he's doing. I think he is the one if
you have to choose between the two of them. Anyway,
we'll talk to the foreign minister out of the foreign miners,
the finance baby brain Finance minister about that. After six,
Nichola Willis is going to be with us. We've got
the huddle as well. In studio today Tris Shurson's the
A teen Tris Sherson and Joseipe Bagani. But next up,

(32:46):
let's have a chat about this business dropping the old
second test for the driver's license. I don't know about you,
but I am not entirely sure why we're doing this,
and it doesn't fill me with confidence. News talks, v.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
Jgstrial questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture, Heather Dupasy on Drive with One
New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
News talks. That'd be good.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Afternoon to you. Now, getting your full license will no
longer require a final driving test if the government gets
his way. They're considering dropping the test because it's quote
time consuming and inefficient. Harold Luvenberg is the owner of
a one driving school and is with us. Now, Hey, Harold, Hello,
how are you. I'm very well? Thank you. Good idea
to drop this final test?

Speaker 20 (33:56):
No, I don't think so. No, it is really good
to have the extra test and getting people like if
people have lost that the standard, have dropped their standard
are driving, it's good to do another test and to
just get back up to the standard again.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
The government says the reason that they're doing this is
because it's expensive and it's also stressful for people. But
neither of those things are generally things I would consider
this government to be too worried about. I don't buy it,
do you.

Speaker 20 (34:22):
No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
No.

Speaker 20 (34:24):
And I can't see the the stress. I mean, I
suppose every test can be stressful, but if you're well
prepare it, then it shouldn't be stressful at all, like
any test.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
So what's the real reason that they're dropping it.

Speaker 20 (34:36):
Well, I'm not sure. Actually, I think it's more what
the rest of the world is doing. Like the rest
of the world, there's only one driving test, so that's
probably what they want to get more in line with.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
How many people do you fail in that test?

Speaker 20 (34:49):
Well, we don't do the testing ourselves, but I mean,
I don't have the results for that in front of me.
But it's not as high as the restricted license test
because it is a much easier test.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
But I mean, basically what I'm asking is is this
test actually weeding out bad drivers? I like a significant
number of people being failed and kept off the road,
because that's terrible.

Speaker 20 (35:11):
That's a good question. It's just bad habits. So I
suppose people just have bad habits and a lot of
it is in observation. People are just not using not
looking around them properly and not scanning properly at intersections
and making poor decisions. That really a big one which
causes a lot of accidents.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Harold, thank you very much, Really appreciate your exercise. It's
Harold Livenberg, who's the owner and a driving instructor at
a one driving school.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Heather Duplessy.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
LA government announced it's pumping thirteen and a half million
dollars into a global marketing campaign to attract more tourists
into the country. The Tourism Minister Louise upstairs with me. Louise, Hello, Hello,
welcome back. Oh mate, thank you very much. Good to
chat to you again. Are you worried, just before we
get into this money that you're pumping into the marketing campaign,
you worried about those numbers that came out today showing

(35:57):
a drop off in Chinese tourists in February.

Speaker 17 (36:00):
Well, we do know that the China numbers are down.
They're down at sixty percent of the twenty nineteen numbers,
which is why we need to do some focused campaigns
to bring the China market back. But look, we've also
seen really positive numbers from India and a record month
for visitors out of the United States, so you know,
there's some very positive signs there. But this campaign, this

(36:23):
additional marketing money, will mean that we can have specific
campaigns into different countries looking at whether we're like China
trying to bring the numbers back. India is an emerging
market and we need to focus our marketing efforts a
bit more in a bit more tailored way.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Is that enough money to actually move the market.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (36:45):
Absolutely, Look, we know and a big part of what
we've seen with the encouraging signs out of the Australia
campaign is working with industry really closely. When we work
on things together, we can rarely move the dial. And look,
we're only at eighty six percent of the number of
visitors we had back in twenty nineteen, so there's lots

(37:05):
of capacity and so we want to have more visitors
come in. That's more business for the hospitality sector, but
also shops, supermarkets, petrol stations, you name it. And we've
got capacity and so we just want to let the
world know we're open for business.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, fair enough, Okay, Louise, listen, thank you very much,
really appreciated. This is Louise Upston, Tourism Minister. It's eleven
past five here the duplessy out. The driving can be stressful.
Driving is stressful. Driving is stressful, and tests are stressful.
So the combo of the two is particularly stressful. But
I don't know if you find this if you just
turn the radio down a little bit, I shouldn't be
encouraging this. You turn the radio down a little bit,

(37:44):
so some weird reason you can see better. Do you
find that? I often find when I'm stressed out, I
can't drive right now, I'll turn that radio down. The
oh suddenly I can see quite well. And it's a
sign of old age. I think kind of a bit
of a random text here on the in New Zealand
uniforms from last week, whether we do not like the
new look in New Zealand uniforms at all. That's from Pauline.

(38:05):
Caught my attention because actually, incidentally, Louise, who we just
spoke to, Louise the Tourism Minister, and I were both
at the unveiling of the New Zealand uniforms. Because you
invite me along and you say you're going to give
me a fancy cocktail. I'm that now that I'm allowed
to drink again, because I'm you know, baby's not inside
me anymore on that. Just give it time, Just give

(38:26):
it time. We're weirdly attached to these uniforms. Give it time.
You didn't like the Trey Lease uniform when it came out,
yet you jumped up and down about that fifteen years ago,
didn't you. You said, oh it's hideous, and now you
love it because you can see it in the app
we walk around, you know exactly who you're looking at
when you see that gigantic cacophony of noise coming at you.
So when we will get used to the purple ones
and the pin stripe suits, which are incredibly dashing and

(38:47):
we will learn to love them, just give them time.

Speaker 13 (38:50):
Speaking from experience, how do you recommend people have a
fancy cocktail before they look at the uniform.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Because of what it does is make some of those
patents swirl. And when the patterns starts swirling, because you've
had a very strong coplas when.

Speaker 13 (39:00):
It really you're going to see them on the plane.
And what do you do on the plane?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
You drink, you know, as right, And if you have
one gin on the plane, it's the equivalent of three
gens on land. So those patterns swirl like you wouldn't believe.
So yeah, I would recommend. Obviously I am not a
medical professional. Do not listen to me, but I reckon
meand a couple of gins. Look at that uniform. You
love it? Thirteen past five. Hey, One New Zealand satellite
is officially here right now and it is a game
changer for the living.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I say the living because One New Zealand has just
received a bit of a bizarre endorsement as the most
zombie resilient network. This is from the hilariously real Zombie
Research society which studies disaster response through an apocalyptic lens,
and they've awarded this endorsement following the launch of One
New Zealand satellite last year. Now they reckon that the
innovative technology offers a more resilient communication network in the

(39:46):
face of disaster due to its groundbreaking use of satellites
in space rather than the cell towers on the ground.
Now the service allows customers with an eligible phone and
plan who are out of traditional cell tower coverage to
send and receive texts when they have a line of
sol to the sky. So whether you're hiking or hunting
or hiding from the undead, it's going to help you
stay in touch. So to learn more about how One

(40:07):
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together do for Sea al sixteen past five Listen. Of course,
some heaps of us will have watched Polkinghorn documentary last night,
so we have a little chat about that in just
a few minutes time. First up, though, if you're one
of the people in this world who enjoy using the

(40:29):
text abbreviations, you need to stop in you know, what
I'm talking about here, right, Sending things like brb lol
or wyd what you're doing? It's got to stop because
new research out of the US has found that no
matter how much you think that the rest of us
like reading your text abbreviations, we do not. Dr Ariana
Berardi Wiltshire is a linguistics expert at for Massi University

(40:50):
and with US. Now, Hello, Hi, what's the problem. Why
does it annoy us? Is because the person sending it
to us just looks lazy.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Ah.

Speaker 16 (40:58):
Yes, that's basically the thought of it. It's it seems
to signal poor investment in whatever communication we're engaging with, So.

Speaker 21 (41:08):
You couldn't even.

Speaker 16 (41:09):
Take the time to spell that out completely. That's kind
of the feeling that that we get. Is that really
most situation?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I mean I would look at it if somebody had
seemed it to me, I would just not think that
they're a particularly serious person, do you know what I mean?
It feels like something that a twelve year old would
seem somebody else. Yeah, And is that part of it, right?

Speaker 16 (41:25):
Yes? Yes, it's also part of it. Yes, It's sometimes
you get the feeling when they use when people use
to too many abbreviations that they're trying too hard to
kind of convey some sort of you know, sense of
view or you know, and no. But but people seem
to do it less and less anyway, even younger people

(41:47):
these days, they tend to use abbreviations less and less.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Why do you think that is, Well.

Speaker 16 (41:52):
It's technology has changed now, we have predictive spelling, we
have four keyboards on our phones. So and also I
think that there's a is that young people are much
more relationally aware than people were in the past, and
so they know quite often. I have two teenage daughters.
Actually they know quite often when it's appropriate to use

(42:13):
them and when it's not. And you know, that's reassuring.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Seems to me also that because you were talking about
predictive texting, right, and the order correct that you have
on your phones and stuff, you actually would have to
make more of an effort to say s R R
Y on your phone than to say sorry, true, wouldn't you?

Speaker 16 (42:30):
Yeah, it's true, yes, exactly, yes, exactly. You're doing it
for a purpose. And sometimes there is a purpose why
you would use abbreviations. And sometimes it's humor. You want
to be funny or so people use ong a lot,
but sometimes they just want to be quick. You know,

(42:52):
I'm guilty of having used the occasional K with my children.
You know you can you pick up milk on the
way home K. So you know there are users for it.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
But yeah, jesus, my mum just sent me a K.
I'd hang up on her. Hey, Arianna, thank you, thank
you very much, Doctor Arianna Berardi woolshit, who's a linguistics
expert at Massi University. Sir Peter Peter straight on the
old Texpachie couldn't wait a he was on nine two
nine two, just sent me an ffs. Now, there's a
carve out for that. You are allowed to do that one.

(43:23):
And simply you're allowed to do that one because I
don't know if you've tried to spell swear words on
your iPhone, but they make that very difficult and so
if you just go for the old ffs, I understand
that actually is a shortcut. Five twenty.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Sa'd be just a reminder. Nichola Willis the Finance Minister
with US after six o'clock. Right now, it's twenty two
past five. Now, Polkinghorn looks to me like old mate Polk.
He's already realized he's made a mistake talking to that documentary,
don't you think. I mean the first clue that he realizes,
I think that he's made a mistake is that he
sent out a statement calling the documentary clickbait and saying

(44:05):
he was misled by some involved in the making of
the doco before the thing had even gone to air,
which is to say he's already talking the thing down
before we've even managed to clap one eyeball on it.
Now I can see, having watched the first episode why
he might want to talk it down, because he's not
coming out of this well, is he. I mean, as
I say, I've only watched one episode and there are
two more to go, And look, he may remarkably ride
him himself in the next two episodes, but based on

(44:28):
number one and the trial, I'm not getting mister honesty
vibes from our mate Philip Pulkinghorn here. I think the
most telling moment for me, anyway, was when he was
in episode one, when he was denying the fact that
he used p because he said he doesn't generally keep
his methamphetamin in the makeup draw somebody else's. And then
after saying that his lies darted from one side to
the other, do you notice that one side to the

(44:49):
other and looking a bit interesting, like in a way
those eyes darted around in a way that suggested that
there was more to that story than he was letting on. Now,
he if he is worried like I think he is
a about this documentary, he's right to be worried about
this documentary. It's not going to affect his freedom or
as criminal record or anything like that, but it does
have the potential to shape public opinion even more strongly

(45:10):
than the trial already has, and in a way that
the trial already hasn't. Because that's what we've learned from
the UK recently. The post Office scandal was not really
a scandal until they made a TV show about the
post Office scandal, and then it was a big time
scandal and then there was action from the government on it. Adolescence,
which has come out on Netflix, is something that we
are talking about in a big way now and talking

(45:31):
about what young men are doing with their time. This
documentary is the first time that we've heard from Philip Pulkinghorn.
It's the first time that we've heard from his hooker
mistress in the flesh. It's the first time that a
lot of us are going to see all of the
evidence presented in one place in a concise way for
us to form judgments on. So, yeah, he might be
right judge based on the first episode. There's a lot

(45:51):
of clickbait going on in this thing, But that doesn't
mean it won't shape public opinion, and it doesn't mean
that it was a smart idea for him in hindsight
to talk to.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It for ever duplessy Ellen, Oh the.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Way, just on that, Okay, So this is Philip Polkinghorn saying, Oh,
in hindsight, he could kind of see that his wife
was gonna, you know, say goodbye to the world herself,
because she was behaving strangely in the days leading up
to it.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I just don't know what she was doing, almost like
tiling up for affairs, saying goodbye to people.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. So is
she saying goodbye in the days and weeks leading up
to the death, or did she get the COVID jab
and then get in cyphalitis and then go psychotic overnight.
Which of them was it polky? Was it in the
days and weeks leading up or was it overnight after
the COVID jet just saying I'm not even a police officer,

(46:46):
and I can see that there's a problem there with
that particular story, don't you think. Now we've got huddle
coming in this evening. Got two ladies, Trishuson and Joseph A. Ganning.
I've got one for them, mackay. Because I was reading
the newspapers today, as you do in this job nowadays,
I saw on one news site, like not one news,
but on one of the news sites, a question that
was posed, should we normalize couples sleeping in separate beds?

(47:08):
I'm going to get in so much trouble for this.
I think it's fine. I think it's fine because this
is how we're rolling at the moment. Personally, I sleep
because now that I'm on I'm back at work, not
on maternity leave, and the father's now on paternity leave.
So I'm downstairs where all the bedrooms are sleeping across
the hallway from the three year old, you know, keeping
him safe, and the father is upstairs completely different floor

(47:31):
because I don't want to hear the baby crying in
the middle of the night, do you know. So the
dad's upstairs with the baby in a room by himself,
in his own bed, right in his own bed, and
I'm downstairs in another bed, and it is delightful, isn't it?
Because you number one, you don't need to hear that
baby cry. It's only three months old, so there's a
lot of crying going on. Number Two, I don't have
to listen to snoring, And to be fair, he doesn't

(47:53):
have to listen to snoring either, because I'm not immune.
I'm sure there's no disturbance from somebody else getting up
weeing in the night, is there? Anyway? The reason I'm
asking about this is because when I read that headline,
I thought, oh, jeez, yeah, the minute you say to
anybody and we're sleeping in different rooms at the moment,
people go, oh, that's headed for divorce, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (48:11):
Is it though?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Is it headed for divorce? Or is it just two
adults going, you know what we need? We need to
prioritize sleep at the moment, and this is a really
good way of doing things anyway. I don't know whether
the girls know that we're about to interrogate what happens
in their houses and their bedrooms, but we are, so
you're welcome to weigh on that too. Nine two nine
two is the text number.

Speaker 14 (48:28):
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Speaker 1 (48:50):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
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Speaker 8 (48:59):
That'd be there's beautiful things that I've gone.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
All right, the huddles with us very shortly, we have
pressures and in Joseph Ghanian studio and after six o'clock
Nicklaula's finance minister. If you followed this program last year
when I was last on air, you will know that
I got quite hot under the collar about the old
formula infant formula rules. It looks like the government might
be doing a U turn on it. So we have
a chat to Nikolauless about that after six o'clock. It's
twenty four away from six. Right now. We have hit

(49:29):
the age of space travel where it's not just professional
astronauts and the billionaires and stuff going into space, but
it's also Katy Perry Katy Perry's going along with Gail
King and four other women and they're going to go
up in a in a Blue Origin rocket in just
a few hours. And it's the first all women's space
flight in more than sixty years, which apparently is quite significant.
Kirby Ken is the chair of the National Space Society

(49:51):
Australia and with us.

Speaker 22 (49:51):
Hey Kirby him, welcome, Thank you for having you on.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, thanks for joining us. Why are we sending Katy
Perry to space? What's the value in that?

Speaker 22 (50:01):
I believe it is her wanting to go rather than
being sent, so to speak. I think they're all sort
of passengers who are choosing to have an experience.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Are they paying?

Speaker 22 (50:14):
Most of them?

Speaker 16 (50:15):
Are?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
As?

Speaker 22 (50:15):
I understand it.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Oh, okay, well that makes a lot more sense. I
thought we've picked this one and so we're sending it.
I thought maybe it's for some publicity, but I suppose
it probably does that as well. Are you are you really? Actually?
Can you say that you're up in space like you've
done a space trip if you've only been up there
for ten minutes.

Speaker 22 (50:32):
It's a very good question. There's also the definition of
what is space now technically, and this is somewhat arbitrary.
Accepted definition is above one hundred kilometers. Yeah, and the
Blue Origin capsules do actually go above that level, but
it's what's called a suborbital trip. You're not actually in

(50:52):
orbit and going all the way around the Earth, which
is what would be orbiting. And that's slightly different to
the virgin galactic experience, which doesn't quite make it to
one hundred kilometers. So it's a little bit of pickiness,
but it is technically in space.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Kulbe you ever been up there? You've been to space?

Speaker 22 (51:11):
No, I might wish, but only in my.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Imagination would you like to go?

Speaker 22 (51:16):
I would like to go, but I am probably somewhat
risk averse in the sense that I would like to
have seen many many flights before I would choose to
do that myself.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Okay. And if you saw in our flights and then
you were prepared to go up, how much would you pay?

Speaker 22 (51:32):
Another interesting question when all of the space tourism companies,
and I say, or there's been some that have come
and gone, but the two main ones are the Origin
and Virginio acting. They were charging initial people who were
signing up something in the region of two hundred and
fifty thousand US dollars that has I believe gone up,

(51:54):
but the intent is that it will ultimately come down
as more and more people fly vehicles, become more reliable
and learn more of them.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Realistically, where does a bottom out at?

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Like?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
What are we going to pay when normal punters like
us go up?

Speaker 22 (52:09):
I would venture to say they're hoping to get down
to maybe something in the fifty to one hundred thousand
dollars range being reasonable. But I guess you could equate
it to maybe an expensive cruise equivalent something like that,
But I think that's going to be quite a few
years away.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, quite an expensive cruise and a very short one. Kirby,
thanks very much, appreciate it. KIRBYIK in National Space Society,
Australia right now coming up twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones
with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
On the huddle of this this evening. Tris Herson of Shehirson,
Willis pr Jo Spergunny of Child Fund, Hello you too,
Hello Chris, would you go up to space?

Speaker 23 (52:49):
I am not a space person. I'm an ocean person,
so people often say would you would you like to
go to space?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And I'm like that sounds very hippy. True.

Speaker 23 (52:58):
No, I love diver, so to me, I love I'd
have scuba diving, so that's my thing. And often people
say to me, oh my god, I could never dive,
I'm so afraid of the ocean. To me, I find
space much more terrifying, terrifying, black cold, whereas under the
ocean it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I don't reckon. I would pay a hundi foun to
go into space for ten minutes.

Speaker 21 (53:19):
Would you know when you compared it to a really
nice cruise, I'm thinking, right, cruise cocktails feel sunshine, sunshine.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
But now you've just got Katy Perry and a little
tin littlely for.

Speaker 21 (53:31):
Ten minutes, thank god. Yeah yeah, Katie Perry for ten
minutes and a little tardis.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, no fun. Okay, Trish. Do you think that this
business with Winston Peters versus luckx and is significant or
is it, as the Prime Minister says, just a media
beat up.

Speaker 23 (53:44):
I think the Prime Minister is trying to gloss it over.
This is my read what National is trying to do.
They're trying to balance pissing Trump off, because we know
the US is watching everything that everyone does and they're
very thin skin, and I'm predict and unpredictable. So so
National's balancing that with making the most of what they

(54:05):
probably see as their best political opportunity to pull out
of what have been pretty bad polls for them, pretty
negative poles, and stamp their mark. And someone over the
weekend said to me, Oh, you know, do you think
Luxon thinks this is sort of his christ Church earthquake moment,
This is his moment to really shine. I can't see
a reason otherwise. Even even with that, why you wouldn't

(54:29):
have told Peters about the speech? I mean, I watched it.
I don't think there was any particular magic in it.
And you can understand Peter's being grumpy about it and
grumpy about these calls going on without Do.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
You think that Winston's going to steal your thunder?

Speaker 21 (54:43):
Well, he's been, and he has been moving towards this
kind of you know, slightly trumpy populist support for Trump,
hasn't he? And I think like everybody's trying to work out,
you know, what do you do with a bully like Trump?
And you can't ignore them. So there only really two options.
You either suck up and kiss ring or you fight back.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
And I think, can't you say nothing, Josie, because we
are the tiniest little country at the bottom of the ocean.
You don't have to say anything. You can wait for
this whole thing to blow over.

Speaker 21 (55:10):
Yes, so that's different. You can say nothing and be
off the radar. Absolutely, but you still got to do
something because this crisis isn't going to fix itself, right,
so we have to go. We don't want to, we
don't want the bully to notice us, that's true, but
that's different to sucking up. Right, So Trudeau tried to
sucking up things. Starma tried to sucking up thing and
it backfired or didn't help. And I think what Luxan's

(55:33):
trying to do, I think is the right thing. Where
he's gone right is our what are our opportunities here?
CPTPP reach out become a kind of a sensible, rational
rule of law trading group that makes sense. You've got
to make friends in Southeast Asia, you've got to reach
out to Japan, you've got to reach out to Canada.
I mean we've done bugger or actually to support Canada

(55:56):
who've been threatened with invasion. So we're trying not to
be noticed. Yes, that doesn't mean we don't do stuff
behind the scenes. I think that's what Lutson's doing. And
I think Winston is still in that slightly sucky uppy
phase and the sucker Uppers. I watch Game of Thrones,
the sucker Uppers don't make it to season.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Two, season two, they're dead.

Speaker 23 (56:13):
Well look at I mean Mark Carney in Canada. He
hasn't he done a great job of actually pushing back
pretty hard and doing well.

Speaker 21 (56:22):
He was going to lose, and he's possibly the most
boring man I've ever met.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
And somehow starma.

Speaker 21 (56:28):
Oh well, Kirs Starmer, Yeah, you kind of if he
shouted at a pigeon, the pigeon wouldn't move. He does
come across quite wooden. I did kind of guy who said,
you know, what would you like? What kind of wood
would you like with that casket?

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Sir?

Speaker 21 (56:42):
That's kind of what you expect him to say.

Speaker 23 (56:44):
I did kind of think though. You know, Luxeon's message today,
I don't know why. It sort of made me smile,
But you know, I'm calling around everyone and I'm saying, hey, guys.
You know, I hope you're staying call calm and collected
sort of, you know, you can you can just imagine.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Could be a momentary. I actually think it could moment.
It could also be. But even the politics aside, like
see the politics aside, Josie, and just look at the
practical stuff that maybe that we may be at very
delicate stage of chats. You ever know, with the White House,
which Winston's all over and then lux and goes and
does this and kind of rains on his parade. Right,
there's the practical problems could be real.

Speaker 21 (57:18):
Yeah, But again I come back to those that have
tried the suck up path and it just hasn't worked.
So we're not going to get below ten percent. We
might get some carve outs, we might not.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Who knows.

Speaker 21 (57:30):
Our biggest bet is to actually make the most of CPTPP,
which at a TPP for God's sake, let's just call
it TPP. And it is the biggest trade block in
the world. It's bigger than our trade with the US.
So the potential lies there. We don't want to piss
off the US to the extent that we lose everything.
But I think what Luxein's doing is right. I think
it's it's where the opportunity is.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
All right, Okay, we'll come back to you guys and
just take sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty A Chief
Extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Right, you back with the had altricious and Joseph Ganney, Josie,
you didn't watch the pocahon You're going to it's on
your watch list? Is someone watch list?

Speaker 21 (58:08):
But I just got over the White Lotus.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
It's just so much. No, I've got half. Now go
and spoil it. Well, guess who dies? I'm not going
to tell you.

Speaker 21 (58:16):
But anyway, if I wanted horror scandal and you know
who's guilty who's innocent, I don't know. I just watched
the latest Trump tariff announced.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I don't need to watch this.

Speaker 21 (58:25):
I mean it does have that salacious, you know, appeal
like the Lundee case and the Bain case where we
want to watch we want.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
To watch the documentary hooks wonstrous.

Speaker 21 (58:37):
I mean, it's it's compelling.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I get that, but it's just, you know, I just
used too much horror on us. You have got so
hot actually.

Speaker 23 (58:46):
Steam just menopause talking, just talking of overheated.

Speaker 21 (58:52):
You wouldn't know you've breastfeeding woman you Yeah, the story.

Speaker 23 (58:55):
Well, let's move before we get.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Obviously regrets already talking about it.

Speaker 23 (59:01):
Well, and here's why. Did you read the key line
in his statement he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
These the producers, right.

Speaker 23 (59:08):
Well, first of all, he calls this clickbait. I mean, hello,
you know, I mean as if there aren't huge elements,
as if all of Auckland wasn't riveted to this grubbing
saga already. But then he says he's talking about the
producers in his statement, and he says, they told me
what I wanted and needed to hear at the time, understanding.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
To prove my innocence.

Speaker 23 (59:32):
He is his line. They said they would be able
to help, and without any advice. I trusted them both
and what they said to me without any advice.

Speaker 24 (59:42):
I e.

Speaker 23 (59:43):
While you're on bail, you speak to documentary makers without
telling your lawyer.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, that's what happened, right, There's clearly what happened, because
who in.

Speaker 23 (59:57):
Their right mind would would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I'll call the answer for you. Hey, listen quickly, Josie.
When I was on maternity leave. I see this at
the start of the show as a matunity leave. I
stopped listening to ZB because it was too much like
work for me, and so I had to kind of,
you know, just focus on a few media anyway, got
so frustrated. Do understand why people feel frustrated and have
this lack of trust in the media.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Absolutely?

Speaker 24 (01:00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:00:22):
And it's not just media, it's it's institutions, right, It's government,
it's government, it's government institutions. As a general in New Zealand, actually,
I think it's in the Adelman Trust Advice at Adelman Barometer,
which is a global one, so compair ourselves global this
is the aut one. But I think we have like
sixty seven percent of this have a real sense of

(01:00:43):
grievance towards institutions, including the media, right, and that is
well above the global average. So we're really passed off,
as you said, and I do understand it. I think
there's a if you look at all the institutions, there's
a feeling that the educated elite, and I'm one of them,
have have sort of taken over the institutions, and so
the issues that the media focuses on whether it's you know,

(01:01:06):
whether it's gender, whether it's diversity, whether it's school lunches.
It's a whole bunch of things that just they focus
in on stuff and people go, hold on a minute,
that's not the thing that's bothering me right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
But when they focus in on something. I think the
Benjamin Doyle story was such an excellent example of why
we get so across with the media because there was
an accusation of something really weird and gross happening, and
then the media just focused on something else, being Winston Peters.

Speaker 23 (01:01:30):
A simple way to sum this up, and you get
this especially when like I do, you go down and
visit the friends infar Noo in Normalville in the King Country.
They say the media don't have their finger on the pulse,
and that is a great way to sum it all up.
It's not reflective of what you know, Middle New Zealand

(01:01:53):
is worried about. They do feel it's gone off in
a tangent. And then if you mix the auty in
today where with stats that came out last week about
left leaning, center leaning right leaning media in New Zealand.
Overwhelmingly the stats that came out were from newsrooms that

(01:02:14):
there is a left bias among journalists in newsroom, and
again I'm not commenting on whether that's right or wrong,
but that's also I think where this finger on the
pulse things comes from, because a lot of New Zealanders
feel that that is just not representative of where they.

Speaker 21 (01:02:30):
Are, a remoteness from places we live, right. Yeah, it
feels that the media is just not connected. And it
used to be that job in journalism you could do
without a degree. I mean, Usked, Mike Costking, you don't
have to have a degree, and that used to be
really normal that you would have a diversity of life experiences,
diversity of incomes and diversity.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Now it's all the university educated. Is it okay not
to sleep in the same bed as your husband?

Speaker 23 (01:02:56):
If I were in your situation right now, I would
be down stairs getting as much sleep as I can,
just just as you are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
How long can I stretch this for?

Speaker 14 (01:03:05):
Hey forever?

Speaker 23 (01:03:06):
But again this is absolutely different strokes for different folks.
I am what sleep is one of my superpowers. I
have to have at least eight and a half to
nine hours a night. Any form of disturbance is not great.
And my biggest problem more is that you know, I
do have a very loving husband and a cat, and

(01:03:27):
I wake up sandwich between them in the night, and
you know, I'm like Fukushima. The core is just absolutely
melting down and I need cooling.

Speaker 21 (01:03:36):
Look, people who have full sleep have a higher rated divorce.
That's a statistic. Don't ask me to source it, but
I read it. And so if you can't get good sleep,
you're not going to have a good marriage. It's as
simple as that. You're more irritable, you're less empathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Enough about my marriage when your husband was on a
boat for two months. Absolutely? Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:03:55):
And actually I live in a different half the time.
I'm in a different city a little in a different bed.

Speaker 23 (01:03:59):
Can I just say I love waking up in the
night because I'm also an absolute baby when it comes
to the dark. I love waking up in the night
and having that lovely, warm person next to me that
you can keep it.

Speaker 21 (01:04:09):
And be your husband.

Speaker 23 (01:04:11):
Oh absolutely, And I don't even need to think about it,
and he just sort of knows and cuddles into me,
and I find that absolutely delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Oh ah, No, which is more selicious, the poking worn
documentary or Trish Well. I don't think that's selectious different guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
There's the sex music for you. Trish Bloays, pull that
one out. Tricia's and Joseph Ganni a huddle this evening,
seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Lots of people sleep in different rooms.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
My wife and I have slept in separate rooms for
ten years. We love each other, but we're both snoring
for our own sanity and sleep. It's just easier here.
The separate rooms is wonderful. Visiting is such fun. Hither,
I'm with you going into my room with my harlicks
and my book. It's peace and quiet. It's bliss. Heather.
We did the same thing when we added a new
puppy to our family. Nothing says city people like separate

(01:05:07):
bedrooms when you get a new puppy. Listen right now,
it's four away from six. Very disappointed to read I
said I was going to talk to you about this
business with the infant formula. Very disappointed to read that
we are apparently considering a U turn on those infant
formula rules. Now, this is something that happened last year
where Australia. We had kind of a combined thing that
we do with Australia and we both have the same
kind of food regulations they and was heading towards having

(01:05:30):
these new rules for infant formula and at the last
minute we pulled out, and it was a good thing
we pulled out because all of the rules basically designed
for breast is Best, which if you have breastfed, you
know is you know, you don't need anybody else telling
you what to be doing with your boobs. And sometimes
if you just want to put formula on the baby,
that's your choice, your baby, your choice. Anyway, it's all

(01:05:50):
designed around breasts Best and all that stuff, and it
was going to pull certain formulas off the shlves and
it was all just very kind of nanny state and irritating.
So we didn't do it, and I was very pleased
about that. But now it appears that MPI, according to
reporting in the last couple of weeks or thereabouts, is
considering doing a little U turn on this. Nikola Willis
was on the show last year she said, no way,
We're not signing up to this, so are we going

(01:06:11):
to do?

Speaker 25 (01:06:12):
No way?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
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Shortly, we've got Shane Soley on Trump's smartphone exemption and
Gavin Gray out of the UK. Right now, it's seven
past six and with us as Nikolaullis, the Finance Minister Nicolalo, Hello.

Speaker 24 (01:07:13):
And welcome back, Heather, you back on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Lovely to be back and lovely to be chatting to you.
I want to know by the way we seeing this
is obviously the thing that everybody's talking about. Where are
we at with these tariffs from Trump? Are we getting
FaceTime with the White House on this?

Speaker 24 (01:07:27):
Well, our officials are continuing to engage with their counterparts
in the US. Of course, all countries now face the
same based tariff of ten percent, which is what New
Zealand's facing and we're continuing to press the case for
our exporters, which is we'd prefer we weren't facing that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
So are we asking them to drop the tariff all together.

Speaker 24 (01:07:46):
Well, we're pointing out that our tariff regime is very
limited towards the US less than two percent, that we
have very few non trade barriers, and that as far
as possible, we'd like to grow the trade between our
two countries, so we'd prefer no tariff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
And are we getting any headway with us?

Speaker 24 (01:08:04):
Well, I think there's quite a queue of people having
a chat, Heather, So we are one of literally dozens
of countries around the world are probably pressing a similar case.
And I think it's too soon to say where all
of this will land, so cool heads need to prevail.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Are they actually taking our phone calls?

Speaker 24 (01:08:23):
Well, yes they are, because the Prime Minister and the
Foreign Minister and other ministers have established relationships with their
counterparts around the world and they're speaking with them about
how they're saying seeing the tariff regime unfold and what
it means. And in the US we have relationships at
officials level which continue to function no matter what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
So how far up, like, who's the most senior person
who's taken a phone call since these tariffs were announced.

Speaker 24 (01:08:48):
I couldn't answer that, but I do know that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Just getting the receptionist, are we No.

Speaker 24 (01:08:55):
I don't think so. We've got obviously an entire embassy
in Washington, senior people who speak to their senior counterparts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Marco Rubio taking a phone call from Winston.

Speaker 24 (01:09:06):
I don't think they've had a discussion as yet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
So what has Winston told you? Has he told you
that he's got anybody seen here on the phone?

Speaker 24 (01:09:13):
Winston has told me that he is continuing to engage
via our diplomats and that that's the appropriate way to
do it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, okay, So it's not sounding all that hopeful on
that front. Then do you think, based on the fact
that Trump announced these exemptions for smartphones and laptops today,
are you taking any heart from that? Does it look
to you like he's going to cave?

Speaker 24 (01:09:33):
Well, it looks to me that there's quite a lot
of water to flow under the bridge yet. And what
President Trump has said is that he's only put a
ninety day pause on the other higher tariffs, that he
is continuing to observe the way that different countries are
retaliating with tariffs, and that all of that is being

(01:09:53):
taken into account. So I don't have a crystal ball
about where this will all land. I think anyone who
claims that I know exactly where it's all landing is
probably fibbing, because ultimately the US administration is making decisions
in real time, will make decisions that we don't know
the results of yet.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
What is Winston so worried about read what the prime
ministers said publicly.

Speaker 24 (01:10:17):
Well, I think that they're actually saying very similar things,
which is this is a time for pragmatic dialogue between countries.
No one benefits when we get into tit for tat
retaliation wars. That it's actually hugely beneficial to the world
as a whole and to individual countries to have free
trade flowing between borders.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Yeah, that people should be talking points. But Winston did
say that he was hoping that the Prime Minister would
take his check his messages and take his phone calls
next time before he sees anything. That's a bit of
an admonishment. What's he so worried about.

Speaker 24 (01:10:49):
Well, I think that he just wants to be talking
with the Prime Minister regularly at a time where clearly
trade in the world is influx come on and that
will be the case.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
He wouldn't want it. He wouldn't have wanted those messages
check unless he had something to say. What is he
worried about? I mean, did the problems has say something
that has freaked him out?

Speaker 24 (01:11:06):
I think you'd have to ask Winston. But what I
can tell you is that he and the Prime Minis
to have a very strong relationship and they're very aligned
in the fact that New Zealand benefits from the free
trade settings that we've pursued over multiple governments and that
we will continue to pursue.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Nikola, why are we really dropping that final test for
the full license.

Speaker 24 (01:11:26):
Because it just adds cost and pain for people and
doesn't make anyone safer. You already have to do a
practical test when you sit you're restricted, having to do
it again for the final test. Actually, there's pretty good
evidence that it stops some people ever getting their full
driver's license because they get there restricted, they're free to
be on the road and they think are doing the

(01:11:46):
next ones a pain? And actually we want people to
have their full driver's license. We want people to not
face problems with the police when they're stopped because they
don't have the full license. So we want to make
that achievable. And the practical test for the restricted ticks
the right box, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
So we see it as an obstacle like this is legitimate.
You guys see it as legitimately an obstacle to people
getting there full and so if you take it away,
people will we'll square up with the law.

Speaker 24 (01:12:10):
Basically, yeah, they're more likely too, and it just reduces
another cost. It's quite stressful sitting that test. It comes
with a cost. It's something you have to book in.
And if we've already done it at the restricted stage,
then why repeat it in general. If we can reduce
the cost of living for people, if we can make
things easier, we want to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Now, are you guys considering doing a U turn on
those infant formula rules?

Speaker 24 (01:12:32):
Well no, so just to remind you of the situation, Essentially,
the New Zealand Australia Standard on labeling provisions would have
restricted how some of our infant formula companies were able
to market their products. Since then, we said, well, if
we can't work this through, we'll withdraw. I understand that
there have now been discussions about how we could align

(01:12:54):
our interests. We want to stay in the joint food
system with Australia that has very good benefits. So this
is just a small issue relating to labeling. So if
that can be resolved and then we can stay in
the New Zealand Standard, that's what we want to do.
And I understand that the Minister has been advancing discussions
on that basis. He hasn't brought recommendations to Cabinet yet,

(01:13:15):
so I wouldn't want to get ahead of him. But
if we can resolve the labeling issue and stay in
the standard, that's ideal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
So are we asking them Okay, we sign up to
the standard, but they have to change the labeling rules
to suit us. Is that essentially what we're wanting to.

Speaker 24 (01:13:27):
Well, it may yeah, it may be that we stay
in the standard, but then we allow for some slightly
different labeling for some of our products without having any
food safety issues.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
And we don't start pulling infant formula special infant formula
off shelves and giving it to pharmacies to sell and
all that kind of nonsense.

Speaker 24 (01:13:42):
Well, what we want to avoid is anything that restricts
the ability of our food and infant formula providers to
be able to market their products effectively. So that's those
are the issues that we've been working through, NICLA.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Do you think that these rules about requiring the public
servants to use will are really a good idea?

Speaker 24 (01:14:00):
Yes, I do, because wool is a great product. It's
been underrated, undervalued, has lots of uses. And by saying
to the public agencies, hey, look, consider WILL when you're
doing your procurement. It has really good sustainability benefits. It's
actually much better value for money than many of you think,
and it has good whole of life costs. By giving

(01:14:22):
agencies that nudge, we're pretty sure some very good bids
will come forward for woolen products and buildings that will
stack up on their own merits. So that creates value
for the New Zealand economy as a whole, and it
creates great products and governments.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
It's not going to it's going to work out at
the same price as a synthetic carpet.

Speaker 24 (01:14:42):
Well, you have to take into account a number of factors.
Whole of life cost, you have to take into account,
the sustainability, you have to take into account, the health
outcomes and we're asking our government agencies when they're doing
procurement not just to write off Will right from the start,
but to consider all of those factors when they're putting
together their procurement.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
But isn't it I mean, it feels like the kind
of dumb rules that Muldoon would have issued in order
to prop up in an industry.

Speaker 24 (01:15:11):
Well, no, because Will is a great product and it's
come a long way. It can now be used not
just for carpet but for insulation for acoustic panels. But
it's story well not always, not when you take into
account the value that you're creating. And this is a
principle that I want in our procurement rules more generally,
which is we shouldn't just be saying that one's twenty

(01:15:33):
cents more expensive per meter than that one. We should
be saying, what's the value we get as a country
from spending millions of dollars on this contract? And the
truth is when it's creating a industry, when it's supporting
an industry on the margin, that can create greater value
for New Zealand of course we should take that into account.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Did you buy Winston a present? Yes? What did you
buy him?

Speaker 24 (01:15:58):
Well, I respect that he's a private person and so
the gift that I've bought him, I will leave it
to him. Was it a whiskey he would wish to
reveal it It was not. I was a little more
creative than that. Links I paid tribute to his love
of rail and a form which I will lead him
to discuss should he wish to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Okay, but you just okay, So it's got it's rail related.
Just a final question, was it a toy set or
was it a ticket on it?

Speaker 24 (01:16:26):
It was neither of those things, fairies. No, well those
were not. Those were not a gift because of course
they're funded by the New Zealand Text Path. So not
on my gift to give.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Nicola, thank you very much for your time, lovely to
chat you. That's Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister a trains.
I would have gone straight for a single Moult would
new It's just the simplest thing and you know bring
him a lot of joy. But you also know gone
in one night seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Heather, you need to change your attitude about will Heather,
would you like to wrap your baby and you're not
in nylon or in wool, Peter, Look, of course I
want to wrap the baby in wool rather than nylon.
But the thing is it's my choice, right So if
I want to wrap the baby and nylon, I can
wrap the baby baby and nylon. And that's ultimately what
it comes down to is you should be able to
choose whether you use wool carpet or whether you use
synthetic carpet. That's the important thing, is the choice. Otherwise

(01:17:20):
we're back to some sort of weird, kind of old
doom way of running the place. Having said that, though,
if you can do the wall, you probably want to
do the wall, because, as somebody's pointed out, petroleum based
carpets give you about three minutes to vacate your house
in the event of fire. Do you want a bit
longer to save yourself and your children? Probably want to
lay the carpet down that's wool, wouldn't you. Twenty past
six time for a look at the Markets've got Shane
solely from Harbor Asset Management. We've been our Shane gooda.

(01:17:43):
How are you and very well? Thank you? Now, what
did you make this? O mate, thank you, it's good
to talk to you too. What did you make of
this exemption for the smartphones and the computers and the
electronics and stuff from Trump? Is this a good news sign?

Speaker 27 (01:17:54):
Yeah, it is, but you know, you've got to step back.
We've had a policy induce skier to grow, so anything
that with Jesus policy rest that's helpful. So this ninety
day reprieve, and we're going to be careful about this.
It is a reprieve to tech tariffs is helpful, go back.
We are a little bit worried as a capital market.
This is a bit of a go and o go
situation that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
Pushed out tariffs.

Speaker 27 (01:18:15):
But the administration saying, hey, look we're going to launch
some new investigations into semiconductor chips and that may actually
capture a bunch of tech applications.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
So it's helpful. It's in the right direction. But we've
got to heck up and we are.

Speaker 27 (01:18:28):
Perhaps past peak tariff noise, but there's a lot of
uncertained to heather and that's going to continue to keep
pressure on consumers and businesses and markets.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Now I see the Fed is saying it's willing to
get involved. What exactly does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Yes, a season Colin.

Speaker 27 (01:18:43):
She's the head of a Boston see and she's a
member of the FED Open Market Committee. She told the
Financial Times that the US Central Bank, the FED, is
absolutely preared to step in and stabilize financial markets of
conditions become this order. And so what we saw last
week was some disruptions the government bond yields, government bond markets,
and that's what you're talking about, disruption. What she's saying

(01:19:04):
is we think markets are still functioning well, we're not
seeing liquidity issues, but we're ready to step in. It's
really important. It's important to give people confidence that US
government bonds they are a safe asset and by definition,
other government bonds, including our own, are safe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
And so what's been the reaction locally to both the tariffs,
the tech tariffs and the and the FED comments.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
Yeah, Look the bond yields, and they are important. They're
pretty flat.

Speaker 27 (01:19:31):
The tenure government bond youars flat at four point seventy five.
They're quite a long way up from where they started
the year, but they've stopped going up. That's important. The
New Zealand dollar back to just turn of fifty nine
cents fifty eight sixty against the US dollar.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
That's about US dollar weakness.

Speaker 27 (01:19:45):
So one of the things we've seen through this last
few weeks is the US dollar has been falling and
the New Zealand shear market was about point seventy percent,
so less than one percent more than half led by
defensive growth companies like infratill them already and phishent Parkway
out here near Boss.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
So yeah, not a bad day, but not super exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Okay, what's coming up this week that the investors should
keep an eye out for.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Yeah, busy week. Thanks said that. The probably q and
locally is on Thursday.

Speaker 27 (01:20:11):
We've got this New Zealand consumer price inflation from March
the March quarter. I should give the Reserve Bank in
New Zealand a green light to keep cutting official rates.
We're seeing certainly businesses and surveys saying, hey, look the
inflation conditions of form, so that should give us a
green light for more cuts thusday night. We've also got
mister Powell, who's the cheer of the US federal is

(01:20:31):
there talking about economic outlook. He's probably going to be
a little bit weary. We've also got the European Central
Bank potentially cutting interest rates. And then later in the
week we've got a large number of US companies delivering
profit results and then it'll give the real tone for
where we should expect the markets to go on. Of course,
we're closed for Easter Friday, so simply to be a

(01:20:53):
little of focus on Easter eggs on over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Shane, thanks very much, looking forward to sewing you next week.
Is Shane solely how management hither. It's right that it's
all about choices to read the carpets, to use or
not to use the wall, but up until recently public
servants haven't actually had the choice to use and I've
I've had to take the option of not using the wall.
And now the floodgates are open, they will choose what
they will choose. To fairpoint twenty four past six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results, it's heather to
the clan with the business hour and mass insurance and investments,
grow your wealth, protect your future usetogs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
That'd be a bit of a mixed bag on the
old business sales at the moment sounds like the heaps
of heaps of interest. So if you've got a business
to sell. There's a lot of interest in buying it.
But the problem is, by the sounds of things, prices
a dropping, so you want to get selling pretty quickly.
So we're going to talk about that in about ten
minutes time. It's twenty seven past six. Argentina. Now, I
am fascinated by the story of Argentina at the moment.

(01:21:47):
There's been some big news out of Argentina just in
the last few days. Fascinated because the IMF has just
given Argentina a huge loan of about I think it's
about fourteen billion US dollars and it sounds like bits
and bob, maybe like another six billion from others and
so on, but it it adds up to a total
package of twenty billion. But what this is is a
real vote of confidence in what the President of Argentina

(01:22:10):
is doing and if he gets this right, what he's
doing at the moment, it's a blueprint for basically going
fast and hard if you want to turn an economy around,
as opposed to what our government is doing, which is
sort of a bit of tinkering and sort of go yeah,
it's not that bad, it's not that great, but it's
going to do a little bit here and a little
bit and it's a fire. Maybe like a few public servants,
but not too many. Over in Argentina, as you well know,

(01:22:30):
they've had huge inflation, a devaluing currency, massive fiscal deficits.
It's just been a disaster. So Zaviamila has just gone
through and fired tens of thousands of public servants, has
done all this stuff and at the moment it's working.
And because of this IMF floan, he's going to now
lift the strict capital and currency controls which they've been

(01:22:51):
keeping in place in order to stop capital fleeing the country.
So keep an eye on that because it looks very
much like a good news story for Argentina. And he's
been in charge as long as the nats have been
in charged here, so we'll see which one who gets
there first. The guy who's doing it big and bold
are the ones who are tinkering headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
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Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
These talks at me.

Speaker 18 (01:23:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Gavin Gray out of the UK is going to be
with us very shortly. In the next ten minutes, took
us through what is going on with these efforts to
keep the British steel industry going. Winston Peters has just
given a press conference. He's in a YI at the
Moment's just given a press conference where he's been asked
about this business about telling the Prime Minister off in public,
and he has just shut it down very quickly.

Speaker 25 (01:23:50):
A question from the press gallery entrede war talk. The
Prime Minister has called your comments. I'm writing about him
calling you first before going and having me to to
build leaders and you'll.

Speaker 19 (01:24:01):
Speaking the first guttery back home. And I'm in Hawaii
now dealing with our old story. If and when I
get back home, I'll deal with their domest gessues.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Interesting from him because wasn't he offshore in Samoa and
Tongue of various other parts of the Pacific where he
was making all these comments that kicked us off in
the first place. But now that he's offshore in Hawaii,
apparently we don't want to be dealing with it anymore.
Twenty three away from seven Heather do for see. Apparently
demand is outstripping supply when it comes to the sale
of small businesses, there is a wrinkle though, for anyone's
selling prices are going down. This is from data released

(01:24:31):
by ABC Business Sales and the managing director, Chris Smaller's.

Speaker 26 (01:24:34):
With us at Chris, Hey here, welcome back. How are
you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:24:37):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:24:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
I'm very happy to be back. Although I'm going to
be honest with you, while the bosses are not listenings,
I'm assuming they're not listening for it this very minute.
Doing it one day is something doing it every single
day from here on and is kind of confronting. Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
I'm sure you'd be Okay, I think so too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
I've done it before. Okay, now, Chris, why have we
got the spike in demand?

Speaker 26 (01:24:57):
Look, there's a couple of buying groups that to the four.
You know, we've had over twenty five thousand confidentiality agreement
signed this financial year versus nineteen thousand the year before,
and we've really seen a lot of There's still a
lot of new migrants coming in from countries such as India,
China and the Philippines, and they're more inclined to want
to purchase a small business than actually work for a

(01:25:18):
big corporate We've also still got a pretty steady flow
of people being made redundant out of the big corporates
who then have to look to replicate their income. And
they're probably really the two key groups that have sort
of jumped on this sort of business ownership to look
to find some income.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
And why the price is coming down. Is this a
case of prices actually falling or is it simply that
the average is being skewed by lower prices.

Speaker 26 (01:25:41):
Yeah, it's definitely the latter there, Heather. Again, when you
think about those Asian immigrants of countries and they're generally
their budgets below five hundred thousand dollars, so we've had
a raal uptick and really quite small businesses being sold
for two three, four hundred thousand dollars in really high volumes,
and that's skewed.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
It skewed the average.

Speaker 26 (01:26:01):
Another meaningful statistic we used to measure, you know, how
business prices are going as the multiple, so business is
usually profit times are multiple. Now that multiple has actually
gone up seven percent, so that's almost a better way
of realizing our prices of business is going up. And
the answer to that is, well, the multiple is going
up seven it's gone up seven percent, and that's probably
a better test. But yes, you are technically correct. The

(01:26:22):
average has gone down. It's because we've got a really
high volume of low price business has been sold at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
How do you think the business in the global economy
is going to just the uncertainty around what Trump is
doing is going to affect sales?

Speaker 26 (01:26:36):
Look really good question. I think a lot of these
businesses are quite domestically. Obviously, anything with an export element
to it that might be goodness. Twenty percent of the
businesses we sell, but eighty percent of the business we
sell are just domestic focused, and they're more interested in inflation,
how much money people are spending domestically. So I would
suggest that really it's it's going to have a little

(01:26:57):
bit of an effect, but it's not going to be
material or meaningful.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yes, good stuff and please to hear that, Chris, Thank
you so much, appreciated Chris Small, ABC Business Sales Managing Director. Well,
I mean this was bound to happen. I'm back one
day and Tory Farno's made a dick of herself again,
hasn't she? Of course she has, because why, I mean,
did anything change in the last four months. I don't
think so. One of the things what I'm talking about specifically,

(01:27:22):
is the response to one of Tory's bright ideas. Now,
one of the things that Tory Farno did was one
of the first things she did when she became the
mayor of Wellington was to launch a campaign to try
to lure Aucklander's to Wellington. I mean, thank god, unfortunately
not particularly expensive. She only spent six thousand dollars on it.
And what it was was a half paige ad in
the Herald. But it sounds of things just one half

(01:27:43):
page ad, So I mean, that's not much of a campaign.
Is it more of a self promotion? I would have thought,
But anyway, never mind. So she took out a half
paige ad in the Herald for six thousand dollars and
it said killed a Tarmiki makodo. We understand a few
of you may be considering your career options at present.
To just thought I would drop you a wi note
from us in tefung and Nui a Tata. I'm testing

(01:28:05):
your geography here immediately, your geography and your understanding, said
el Martin, just to let you know that we're on
the lookout for more talented, creative, innovative people to help
grow Altia or his capital. Get in touch. No, mahe
Tory Fano, Mayor of Wellington. And then it's got the
email address work at wellingtonenz dot com. Guess how many
people replied to that? Right, this is a city of

(01:28:26):
one point seven million people reading the Herald, and the
Herald goes nationwide, so anyone could really have decided to
respond to it. So let's just include the whole country.
There's six million people thereabouts. How many people reply to
Torri's email?

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
Twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Has there been a poorer strike? Right anywhere in the world?
You have five million people potentially as you pull, you're
fishing in five million people. No, may Hey Tory, you
get twelve, replied, oh man, I think a scammer has
a better hit than they're eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
These talks d be listen if you've got any trouble sleeping.
I've got some tips toe this. It's not weird like
I've actually got some it's not going to get sixty.
We're not going to play the sixty music. I've got
some good tips for you how to get to sleep,
so just hang on. I'm we get to that shortly.
It's quarter to seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondence
with me. Hey Gvin, Hey, Heva lovely to have you back, mate,
It's lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
How are we going with British Steel?

Speaker 10 (01:29:37):
A very very touch and go at the moment, the
government called an emergency sitting of Parliament on Saturday, the
first time since the Falklands War that's happened back in
the early eighties, and both houses, the House of Lords
and House of Parliament sat in order to pass through
emergency legislation to take over British Steel. Today, the rush

(01:29:57):
is really on to secure the supply of raw materials.
It now materializes that the company which had bought British Steel,
a Chinese company, had stopped buying any more raw materials
to make the steel, and indeed was selling off some
of the stocks of the ingredients the iron ore and
coal and other raw materials were selling those off, So

(01:30:17):
in other words, they were deliberately running the plant down
that the government said it couldn't allow. That's why it
took this emergency work. They believe that it's the only
place in the UK where you can make prime steel
in other words, not from recycled metals, but from the
oars themselves, and they said this is far too important
to let go. So this relationship with the Jinghi the company,

(01:30:40):
well it certainly looks very fractious, but the government determined
to try and keep it going. But the moment those
raw materials run out, the danger is those blast furnaces
will not reopen and listen.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Despite all the big talk from this new government, it's
not managed to do anything about the number of migrants
crossing the channel, has it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:30:58):
The slogan was We're going to smash the gangs, referring
to the people smaggling gangs. Well they have made no
improvement at all. In fact, the number of migrants arriving
in the UK after crossing the English Channel has reached
a new record for the first four months of the year.
In other words, since this new government has been in.
Over the weekend the total went over eight thousand and

(01:31:21):
fifty well less than halfway through April. It's already higher
than these seven five hundred and sixty people who crossed
the channel over the first four months of last year,
and that was a record high at the time. So
the big question pressure on the government to do something.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
What can it do?

Speaker 10 (01:31:38):
Well, clearly the plan to smash the gangs is not
enough on its own. I appreciate these things take time,
but I do think this government and successive governments or
predssessing governments have really misunderstood the level of angle that
people are having, particularly when they hear migrants in France
say we want to get to the UK because in

(01:31:59):
some cases, you know, we want to be put up
in a hotel. Well, that bill is costing sixteen million
New Zealand dollars a day, and this government seemingly has
not got the numbers staying in hotels down either.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Yeah, amazing, Okay, how's it going in Birmingham.

Speaker 10 (01:32:16):
With great difficulty. So Birmingham has had a rubbish strike,
a bin strike since the middle of March. The row
is overpay and it's a row with unions. And this
is interesting because of course the government, the labor government
here is supported by a lot of unions and vice versa.
So this is an awkward one for it. This is

(01:32:36):
Birmingham City Council, which is a labor run council, is
now having to appeal to neighboring authorities to help and
is having to pay them. And now they're even calling
in the army to help tackle the crisis. Now, don't
get me wrong. This isn't soldiers doing the manual work.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
This is military.

Speaker 10 (01:32:54):
Planners called in to help tackle the mounting piles of rubbish.
Seventeen thousands of rubbish are said to have accumulated across
Birmingham over the first four weeks at the strike. A
recent negotiation did not work. The unions walked away and
couldn't get an agreement with the council. The government's trying

(01:33:15):
sort of not to get involved because it doesn't look
very good on it, of course being a labor council
and supporting the unions, but what a mess. People are
reporting terrible problems with bermin and rats and frankly with
warm weather. It's been pretty disgusting for the people at Birmingham.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Can Imaginekevin, thank you very much, Check you in a
couple of days. Look after yourself. It's Kevin gray Are
UK correspondent I can.

Speaker 24 (01:33:35):
Here we go. So this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Is relevant to probably everybody everywhere, but especially people who
are particularly sleep deprived and really need to peck in
as much sleep as you possibly can. I'm talking about
myself here with a three month old right hair, to
get to sleep really quickly. Apparently this is according to
new research. Apparently what you need to try is a
thing called cognitive shuffling. Now how cognitive shuffling because is

(01:34:00):
basically you have to try and think about random words
and then you will fall asleep. And if you do this,
you will fall asleep anywhere between five and fifteen minutes.
Sounds like a long time to me, but if you're
waking up at three am and then you're awake for
an hour, five to fifteen minutes is a good time, right.
So this is how it works. Pick a word like piano,
and then you go through every single one of the

(01:34:21):
letters and you try to find as many words associated
with that letter. So, for example, piano starts with P,
so you go pair parachute, paul pirouette. Then you go
to I and you do that for five to eight seconds,
not for particularly long, just as quick as you can
in five to eight seconds. Then you go to I
and you go item intention immature igloo, and then you
go to a Apple and eater as whatever, Apple phone whatever.

(01:34:45):
Then you go to end November nitron, I don't know,
you know, and you go work your way through it.
And so you basically just you basically just thinks of
as many random words as you possibly can and it'll
lull you to sleep. Now, not only does that works
into two ways. Number One, you're taking your mind off
whatever it is that's keeping you awake at night. Right, So,
if you're thinking about your mortgage, or you're thinking about

(01:35:06):
how irritating your mother in lawyers or whatever, it's going
to take your mind off that. But also apparently when
you fall asleep you do a series of little micro dreams.
I don't think many of us aware of this. Apparently
micro dreams happen where your your mind just kind of
like shuffles through fragmented, non li nonlinear thought patterns, and
by coming up with random words, you're just mimicking that,

(01:35:29):
and you're basically forcing your brain into a similar thing.
Give it a hon I'm going to give it a
hern tonight and we'll chat again tomorrow about whether it
worked or not. Because it's possible. I've just lead you
completely up the garden path. But it's worth a hern,
isn't it. Nine Away from seven it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Debate debate, debate going on in the team right now
as to whether the amount of pawn that's been accessed
in the Prime Minister's office is a lot or what
was to be fair? Prime Minister.

Speaker 13 (01:35:58):
Welcome back, Heather, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Yeah, this is the second time, isn't it in the
show that we needed the sex music? So we're getting it.
We're just starting off with a bang unintended department of
Prime Minister and cabinet. Taxpayers Unions be no IA in
them because who's got a filthy mind? Of the Taxpayers
Union thought, I wonder how much porn they're watching in
the Prime Ministers So they sent in an OIA for

(01:36:20):
how much you've been watching in a year, and it's
only twenty four times. Laura the Germans says, it's quite
a lot for a year. I say, how many people
are in there's not just one person working there.

Speaker 14 (01:36:32):
Hey, that's not a loss at all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
And so we thought who better to arbitrate than the
male and the team, and.

Speaker 13 (01:36:38):
Well between a whole team of people, it's weird on
your work phone.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
It's dumb on you, it is.

Speaker 22 (01:36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:36:43):
I think most people who have a work phone and
a personal phone know there are certain things that they
don't do. And maybe sometimes it gets kind of like,
oh is snapchatting your mate because the workphone is the
only your pulp. But this is this is another lead though.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Is what it should its instance?

Speaker 13 (01:36:56):
Sad, No one should be defended for using these any work.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
For this It's a secable offense, right, It's an instant,
secuble offense. Not because I'm offended that you looked at
pawn on your work phone because I think you're dumb
who does that?

Speaker 13 (01:37:09):
Yeah, I'm just a bit worried that the people advising
our Prime minister, a very very important job are the
sort of people who just don't even think before they
do that on their work Ford. Do you remember the
big Ashley Madison leak Heather a few years ago, the
site where you go to look up like getting an affair,
And in that big leak there were a bunch of
US government email addresses and the big concern at the

(01:37:29):
time was that there are publics, there were public servants
in the US who couldn't even be bothered starting up
a fake Gmail account for the you know, for the
website where you go to look for affairs.

Speaker 14 (01:37:39):
Fire them.

Speaker 13 (01:37:40):
So this is the thing. These people can't be bothered
buying a bonafie with their or using their personal phone
with the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Yes, no, stupid, Not because I'm offended by what you did,
just because I think you're dumb? Okay, And what have
you got for us?

Speaker 13 (01:37:49):
Hot and cold by Katie Corry to play us out tonight?

Speaker 7 (01:37:52):
Why not?

Speaker 13 (01:37:54):
She's going to space. She's going to space, She's in news.
This is a topical thing to play and it's a
vaniled welcome back you you mistustin. This is the best
song Katie Peririe. I will I will die on it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Well, it's a song that Katie Perry did so qualifies.
Thank you and oh let me not talk over the chorus,
Bye see you tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:38:19):
Why my drops down jacket?

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
This change your mind like a girl.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Change is close.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Because you're hot?

Speaker 7 (01:39:21):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Do you.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
Up ut down your way? By back? We can't win
pay back down back, We can't win. Yes, things.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
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