Full Show Podcast: 14 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
you get the answers, find a fat sack and give
the analysis. Heather dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand
and the power of satellite mobile news dogs, there'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. Former Ossie
officer turned commentator Roger Shanahan on whether this piece in
the Middle East is going to last turns out erdu
Kama Kingi allegedly abused parliamentary stuff will get you across
all the Marti Party allegations. And finally, Air New Zealand
is working with another airline to check you all the
way through.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
We'll chat to them, Heather dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
So what happened last night is remarkable. Before the deadline
of ten o'clock New Zealand time, twenty living Israeli hostages
who had been held for two years, who had been
forced in some cases to dig their own graves, spend
unknown lengths of time in tunnels underground and go without
much in the way of sustenance. At times, twenty living
Israeli hostages were handed over by their captors back into

(00:59):
the care of Hiss, which is their home. That is
remarkable because, I mean, let's be honest about it, in
the last time, in the last two years, there were
times where, surely we started to believe that we'd seen
the last of the survivors make it out. Surely we'd
assumed most, if not all, the remaining twenty would die
in captivity in the years that we may have thought
stretched ahead of us. But look at what's happened. Eight

(01:20):
is now flowing back into Gaza. People are going back
to their homes, whatever is left of it. The sholling
has stopped. So you would think this would be a
moment to celebrate, don't you the very thing that so
many of us have been calling for for such a
long time, and increasingly in the last few months. The
thing has happened. The fighting has stopped, the starvation has stopped.
But where is the celebration. I mean, don't you think
it's remarkably muted today? Now I realize a lot of

(01:43):
that will be that there is some weariness, quite rightly,
over whether this peace can hold because so many ceasefires
have broken down in the past, and there are so
many ways that this ceasefire can break down. Could be
a rocket fire, an error, could be hamas still refusing
to discimn could be anything, But I do wonder if
part of it is. Also it's hard for some people
to give credit to Donald Trump for the role that
he planned in this. I mean, already there are opinion

(02:04):
pieces that are writing him out of this historic moment,
talking up the diplomat diplomatic efforts of others, particularly in
the Middle East, warning he will never get a Nobel
Peace Prize for this, regardless of whether this piece holds.
But you can't ignore his role in this. You can't
write him out of this. He was instrumental in a
way that Biden never was, and it was for various reasons,
mainly because of his friendship with Ben Yaminett and Yahoo,

(02:25):
which Biden never had, but also because of his relationship
with the Arab countries, because of previous work in the
region in his first administration, like the Abraham Accords. Now,
let's be fair, it's always hard to give credit to
people we dislike. It's also very hard to give credit
to people who are so capable of dishing out copious
amounts of credit to themselves, like Donald Trump. But Trump

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does deserve credit, and he deserves a lot of it.
For getting the gars a conflict to a point that
it has never been before, which is that all the
living hostages are out.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Heather duper Cela, who's.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
The text number? Standard text be supply and there's plenty
to get you across in developments in that part of
the world today. Now the Reserve Bank is slightly loosening
its old LVR lending restrictions from mortgages from December. It's
going to kick in December one. Banks will be allowed
to lend twenty five percent of their book to owner
occupiers who have less than twenty percent equity. At the
moment it's restricted to just twenty percent of that lending.

(03:22):
Roger Beaumont is the chief executive of the New Zealand
Banking Association and with us Hallo, Roger.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Good evening here.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
That's good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's good to talk to you back. Does this make
sense to you?

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Look, I think it's a really good move that will
just give particularly first home buyers actually a little bit
with low deposits, a little bit more flexibility in the
market and let banks have a little bit more flexibility
to lend to them.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Don't mind the flexibility, but the first home buyers is
doing pretty all right, aren't they.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
So the data that we have just released shows that
in the first half of the year, of all new
home loans that were taken out, a quarter of them
were first home buyers. And so what I think that
tells us, Heather, is that actually, first home buyers are
being pretty smart here, and they're taking advantage of what
i'd call the sweet spot of softer house prices combined

(04:13):
with declining interest rates. So it's a really good time.
I mean, if I was a first home buyer, this
is not financial advice, but as a first time buyer,
I'd be looking really hard at the market right now.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, totally. I see. Also, the data that you put
out shows the total number of new home loans was
up nearly six percent, and that's in the first half
of the year. What do you reckon's going on there?
Is that just people switching banks.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
There's definitely some switching activity going on there. I think
it's very competitive for consumers in the home loan market,
and so there's a bit of switching going on, and
although prices are subdued, there is some movement happening.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I need to ask you about the dreaded triple CFA legislation.
So I've heard that the government is going to roll
on this and it is not going to pass the
retrospective law. What have you heard.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Haven't heard that at all. But we are waiting on
the Select committee's report that will be coming back imminently
as I understand it. So it's gone to the Finance
and Expenditure Select Committee for them to assess and we'll
be waiting on their outcome.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, with their recommendation.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean it's kind of hard for the government to
change the law retrospectively for just one bank, which is
A and.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Z right, Well, it's also changing it for potential issues
in the future. I mean, this is really badly written
law that actually has left this and it's been so
chipped away out over the years to try and fix
it because it was such a dog's breakfast. Frankly, it's
just left this anomaly with this four year period where

(05:44):
you know, banks could be taken to task for a
spelling mistake and a loan document and that's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is it possible could the government consider changing I mean,
you guys have a point obviously that the law does
need to be changed. Could the government change the law
for the future, but not retrospectively so that A and
Z still has to deal with the thing that it
has to deal with.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, that there is potentially retrospective issues that we're not
even aware of that could come to come to the surface,
and so it's a matter of dealing with it once
and for all to make the law.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
And you know, all we're.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Asking is is that the law is consistent with the
way the law is now. So it's just this four
year window that's an anomaly that needs to be fixed.
And as the law is today, you know, it can
be up to the courts to decide what is a
fair and just outcome for consumers.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Good to talk to you, Roger, Thank you very much.
Roger Boumont, Chief executive of the New Zealand Banking Association.
By the way, what we were just talking about there
is the case of the Kei Wei, the class action.
The key we's taking class action lawsuits against A and
Z and ASB for things that happened in the past,
and ASB just settled last week for a hell of
a lot of money, meaning the only bank now left
that would benefit from this law change retrospectively by the

(06:57):
government would be A and Z, and the rumors are
that it's not gonna happen, so we'll see how it goes.
Just a little updown on Hamas. So Hamas has apparently
started gun battles in Gaza City started shooting other clans
since the bombing stopped. They've tried to it's part of
it is really part of it is trying to keep
order because as you can imagine, got whole bunch of
people flooding back in, so there is the possibility of disorder.

(07:21):
So they're trying to keep the peace apparently, but also
they're trying to reassert their own control. And you've got
footage of mass gunman shooting in alleyways and they're taking
out the Dormosh clan who will hold up in a hospital,
and all kinds of stuff is going on there. So anyway,
we'll get you across it when we have a chat
to Roger Shanahan after five o'clock fourteen past four.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
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Speaker 1 (07:41):
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Speaker 2 (07:46):
All right, so we late night email was sent last
night by the Maori Party, which the weirdest thing undermining
one of their own MPs, which is money I mean
or Kapa KINGI. I'm gonna get you and her son
ho she has allegedly been paying with the Parliamentary Service.
Fun think so anyway, I'll get you a cross that
shortly right now. Seventeen past four board.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
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bet responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Darcy Watergrave Sports talk Hoosters with me, Hello, Dust.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
It sounds like the plot's thittening more there than it
is a netball New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (08:14):
Or they'll be going neck and neck right now, wouldn't they.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
Jeez.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
One is a lot of facts coming out and the
other one is no facts at all.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
But now Gail Parazza has resigned.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
Yes, selector's just going I can't do this. If you
jump on a Facebook page and take away look at
what she's written around the way, it's all falling apart.
And then she's thought that the coaches in New Zealand
should be freaked out.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
This is not the way to run the netball.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
We all know that it's pretty obvious, even though we
don't know the final detail. I think we can all say,
hand on heart, this has been managed so poorly by
Netball New Zealand and now girl's going I don't want
to be involved in this. I've been left in a
really difficult situation. I don't need to be here. This
is manifestly unfair. I am going Mark Foster, former a

(08:58):
Z championship coach, She's going to join me on the
program this evening up after seven o'clock. She's not going
to toss the coin now at the start of the
Constellation Cup as a way of saying, I'm with you,
Gail Prata. I think this is insane and slowly but
surely everything's piling up against Netball New Zealand and from
what I can gather, see again, I can't say any

(09:20):
of this on air officially because I don't know it's fair.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
Say, but the situation that what.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Started was basically a tiny spark, It's all it was,
and it could have been extinguished reasonably fast, but it's
just accelerated, right.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
She says, Who would step into a role now knowing
that one complaint, one misrepresentation, or one moment taken out
of context could end their career. Is that basically what
you're hearing Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
This is it, and it could have been dealt with
easily with two mature people sitting there having conversation. Maybe
you misconstrued that. Maybe I didn't understand. You know, when
you're talking to people sometimes they go, why did you
say that?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
You go say, what, I'm married? Wow, I know what
that's about.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And isn't that every relationship with a serious sense.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
And then unfortunately that spark, it's got a bit more,
it's got a bit of it's gone further and now
there's a full fledged forest fire.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
And yeah, it's getting worse. So we'll talk to.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Margie about that later on in the piece. They're they're
all sighting on to with No, there's no surprise there because.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think we can all see what's happening.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, sucks to be those players at some stage. Now,
what's your watch? Your beef with Mike Cosking?

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Well, I don't have a beef of Mike Hosking at all.
I was listening to me.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
I was listening to Mike Hosking and the great Mike Hosking.

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Without him, we're all toasted.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
And he was talking with Jason Pine Andrew Saville about
the bath Thurst one over the weekend and I heard
them say this.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
There is no way you could tell me that Payne
was going to win that before the race started. You
could say is he in with the chance yes? Is
he a good driver yes? Has he got some form yes?
But given what happens on a rainy day, you could
not possibly have known.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
Yeah, but you could look at the quality of the
drivers and what happens. They understand how good Pain and
Tander are because they've been there, done that. That's a
sixth one Tander. I'm just going to take it back
to your program, which I appeared on last Thursday.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
Take a listen. I like this option. It's seven dollars.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
It's Matt Pain, who's been tremendous all throughout the year,
with Garth Tander who's got a great record there and
that's his co driver. So it's seven dollars. I think
that represents reasonably good coin.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh look, absolutely does it. Apology?

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Am I going to lose my job over this? I
know you can't mess with the HOSK, right and.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
You know you need in austral think Well, I mean I.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Am essentially to everybody's consent, I am, he said, nobody
could predict that, So maybe he's just calling me nobody.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Say, though, hard to know whether you were, whether you
genuinely thought Matt Pain was going to win, or we're
just enticed by the odds.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
Raighten bet responsibly. I like that.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
I said, look at all these other favorites. This here
is fantastic, these guys again.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You put your money where you're mate, there's a chance.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Exactly what my daughter said me when I heard that
in the car on Monday, I mean, I haven't got
any money.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
She goes, what's the point? Be quiet? Be quiet et.
I think my daughter's siding with the HOSK.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
I step back, I lose. I'm particularly sorry. I just
had to get in there and say, well, well, actually,
am I sounding pity or what not?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
At all? No, Darcy, it's good to talk to you, Okay,
looking forward to your show. Darcy water Graves SportsTalk Hoast.
He'll be back this evening at seven. It's full twenty two.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Today's newspeakers talk to Heather First.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Heather dup c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the Power of Satellite Mobile News Doorg said be.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Tory Faro is apparently considering joining the brain drain. Now
that she's lost the Wellington the job was she lost
the Wellington Maryalty, but also she lost the Mary the
Mary Ward seat on the Wellington City Council. She says
she's looking at Wellington jobs but the market is tight,
so now she's looking further afield like alban and New York.
But before she goes, she's going to take some legal action.

(13:04):
You know, she's got some schools to settle because she
thinks some people cross the line from legitimate criticism through
to the threats or defamation. She's already got it. Sounds
like it's quite a few people. She's already got one
case filed with the Wellington District Courts. I keep an
eye out for that four twenty five here that the
Maori Party had a reset. How's that working out for them? Well?
Not well. So let me get you across what's happened.

(13:25):
So the situation blew up last night because the Maori
Party sent an email to all of its members outlining
their allegations against Edu and his mum, Mumbang Mariamen or
Kappa Kingi, who's one of the MPs. So the allegations
are that Maria Amen Kapa Kinghi had major overspending issues,
including that Parliamentary Services had warned her on the seventh

(13:46):
of July that she was on track to overspend her
office budget by up to one hundred and thirty three
thousand dollars because taxpayer money, by the way, because she
was hiring too many staff, including hiring her son Eru.
She was told either has to pay the overspend money
back from her salary or find some external sources to
help her pay it back. Apparently she was paying Eru

(14:07):
the tidy sum of one hundred and twenty thousand dollars
per year. It's alleged also Eru allegedly abused security staff
on budget day. What happens, it's at Parliament. Now they've
got the loads of corporates have got this, loads of
officers have got this sitting you after you like swipe
your swipe card and then the little automatic gates opening,
you go through and it's just for you, right. But
apparently he tailgated somebody through, even though he seems to

(14:30):
have had his own card. He tailgated through somebody through
the security gates, and the security guards came and you know,
started asking questions about and he blew up started swearing
at them, using phrases like effing white bald head sea bomb?
Do you know who I am? Do you know who
my family is? You are going to be so embarrassed
and eft when you find out you are just a

(14:51):
piece of shit. If you sea bomb, you aren't shit,
get ft, I will effing knock you out. Sound sounds cool,
doesn't it? Anyway, hasn't denied any of this, It's been
made public. The email also then claimed that he had
had been trespassed and he'd lost his job for serious misconduct.
But then, because he's not stupid, he came back under
a different company name and thereby circumvented Parliamentary Services having

(15:13):
kicked him out. So anyway, it's all a bit weird.
And also this kind of friendly fire of like just
outright trying to take down one of their MP's is
quite a strange thing to see a party do. I
can't recall a time. I mean, usually it's done through
just like leaks. Not quite so outright anyway, Bryce Edwards,
you know political commentator will bear this after five o'clock,

(15:34):
explain where we go to from here with all of
this stuff? News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Away the name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather dupla clan drive with One New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
News talks.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Loving this debate, Arle and the exposure of the true
Mahrdi Party. Ha ha ha ha, says Jake. Well, if
you're loving that, Jake, you're going to love what Jerry
Brownlee has done as well. He has announced today that
he's basically introducing a crackdown on attendance records and dress
standards in Parliament. Now that's clearly aimed at the Marty
Party because the Mahori Party are never there, hence the
attendance records, and they also dress like they're variously at

(16:21):
high school or some kind of a character sitting for
a remake of an historic photo set in I don't know,
colonial New Zealand. It's weird anyway. That's the dress standards.
Barry Sober will surely be loving this as well, and
he will be with us in ten minutes time right now,
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
It's the world wires on Youth Talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Donald Trump has promised that there will be peace in
the Middle East. He's spoken to the Israeli parliament and
addressed a summit of world leaders in Egypt today.

Speaker 9 (16:47):
From this moment forward, we can build a region that's
strong and stable and prosperous and united and rejecting the
path of terror once and for all. We want to
get rid of the terror and get on to other things.
There are many other things in life.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
They're so good, Benjamin and Yahoo has claimed victory after
the release of all of the hostages. Some Israeli protesters, though,
have taken issue with his claim. He always says that
his strategy works, even what hostages are killed. He's saying
his strategy works.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Okay, thirty two hostages were murdered in captivity.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Does that mean that his strategy worked. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
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and then you Big Beef.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
A new study has found that Taco Bell runs the
quickest drive throughs in the USA. So what the researchers
did is they made one hundred and sixty five undercover
visits to each of the thirteen fast food brands to
see how long they had to wait before they got
their food. Taco Bell won with an average wait time
of four minutes, compared to the overall average of five
and a half minutes.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business Murray.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Old Ossi correspondents with us Allo Mars.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
Very good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Do you know Elbow's number?

Speaker 9 (17:57):
No?

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Look, he hasn't given it to me. I've been on
the case, but no. He says it's reserved for best
is like d Trump. So Donald Trump will have it.
I dare say Siki Istama will have it and sundry
other world leaders. But he hasn't given it to Old Mozza.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
I'm afraid than Kevin.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
How today I get it?

Speaker 8 (18:16):
Well?

Speaker 6 (18:16):
AI, here's the thing. It was scraped off the internet,
off the web by an American based organization, apparently taken
from LinkedIn. LinkedIn has denied this. The news wire organization
is reporting this. The owner of the site uses AI
to scrape the web and guess what. Other world leaders
are apparently listed as well, including Donald Trump and Malluean

(18:37):
macrom Susan Lee also listed, is reported today. The leak
first was detailed by et Media ETYM Media. I'm not
familiar with their work. But if it's true, they've done
a pretty good job. They shared a video calling a
leaked number for the Prime Minister. The call goes to
voicemail when and Elbow's voice can be heard saying, Ah,

(18:57):
you've rung Anthony alban Easy, please leave him osage. So
if it's right, it's fantastic. But I mean, I'm sure
he's not that thrilled. And how the world leaders wouldn't
be either to think that the personal numbers are out there?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Who are we taking issue with? Are we taking issue
with Lincoln or are we taking issue with the AI business?
Because the AI business should surely have some guardrails in
there where they don't hand over the phone numbers of
people like Anthony Albanezi.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
You've just mentioned AI and guardrails in the same sentence.
That's for boating over here. I mean people are terrified
of it. If you throw it up into talkback radio
as we did on the weekend, people are saying, I
don't want AI. I want to go to the shop
and just get my groceries myself.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
With that AI helping and all I said, hello.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
I mean, no one knows what it is. Everyone's scared
stuff of it. And you know, universities are howling. For example,
university is howling because all the students are churning out
the same rubbish based on AI. No one's going to
the library anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, well, when was the last time you went to
the library? Muss?

Speaker 6 (19:57):
When I was studying a university, university the library all
the time, when it wasn't of the cafe are at the.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Bar, I can't remember the last time I went to
the library. That's a shocker. That makes you embarrassed by that.
Susan Lee, how's it going for her? Not so good?

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Not good, not good. But there's an interesting take on this.
I mean, here you go, right, the performance rating of
Susan Lee has crashed, just dives, absolute swan dive from
plus nine to minus five in just one month. It's
so pronounced that her personal rating has just plunged. It's

(20:33):
so pronounced it's almost good news. That two party preferred,
the Coalition and Labor are remained unchanged. Labour's on fifty five,
the Coalition forty five. Now the Coalition primary vote because
over here we've got you know, as you know, you've
got preferential voting. The people who would say yes, they
would get my top vote. The coalition, the Liberal Party
of the National Party, that's sneaked up one point to

(20:56):
twenty eight percent. Now you wouldn't win a raffle with that,
never mind an election. But these he's got a week off,
got his feet up. He's just getting ready to meet
Donald Trump next week. He's enjoying his holiday. Susan Lee
rated good or very good by thirty three percent of people.
Thirty seven percent say Paul are very poor, the balance undecided.
Conservative opponents are going to be licking their lips. The

(21:16):
people like Andrew Hasty and Angus what's his name, Angus
Taylor over here. But here's the thing, they'll be absolutely mad,
mad to try and get rid of Susan Lee. Now,
I mean, she's probably the only bright light they've got.
You look across the opposition front bench. You've got a
bunch of a bunch of stone faced fellows in blue suits,
all of them hate each other. Just crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
How's it going with the poverty It doesn't look too good, terrible.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
He figures out from the Australian Council of Social Service
say the number of people living in poverty every week
has increased to one and seven one and six children.
By the way, that's seven hundred and fifty thousand children
over here living in poverty in total three point seven
million Australians and that's nearly well, it's just over fourteen
percent of the population now. The poverty rate as devised

(22:05):
by ACOS, it's based on some of the United Nations equation.
It's defined as half the median national income and that
works out in around five hundred and forty dollars Australian
a week over here now. And it's just it's just
nowhere near enough. I mean, why rents are through the
roof unemployment picking up the rate of welfare support payments

(22:26):
according to the Council of Social Services, just pathetic. The
report found from June twenty one to June twenty three,
the median advertised rent for units up forty percent in Sydney,
thirty five percent in Melbourne, forty one percent in Brisbane.
Wages aren't keeping pace, never mind welfare payments. I mean
at the bottom end, they are struggling and it's getting

(22:48):
harder and harder.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah too, right, sounds like it. Murray, Thank you very much.
As always, Murray Australia correspondent. Eighteen away from.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Five here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Can you put money on Matt Payne? Winning seven dollars
would be a good bet, he thought, But then after
practice six they blew out to twenty three dollars, so
he's up six hundred and ninety dollars. Got on yet, Keith.
Now Erica Stanford and the reforms yesterday, all the results
of the reforms yesterday, the results of the structured of literacy,
which is sort of phonics plus plus. Anyway, what she
is doing here is something that the UK actually did

(23:18):
about fifteen years ago. And the guy who did it
as a chap called Nick Gibb, who we've spoken to
on the show before, he was the schools minister at
the time of the UK doing it. He's just written
in an opinion piece basically praising Erica. He says, I
know how hard reform is. As schools minister in the
UK for ten years, I was part of a team
that introduced wholesale change to England's schools between twenty ten
and twenty twenty three. I thought we'd moved fast, but

(23:40):
by year two we had not delivered the scale of
reform that has so successfully been implemented in New Zealand.
What New Zealand's government has achieved in such a short
space of time is extraordinary reforms to reading, maths and
the introduction of a knowledge rich curriculum. What we did
led England to rise to fourth in the world in
one of the reading surveys that's up for tenth from
tenth in twenty eleven. I have no doubt that New

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Zealand will see a similar ranking rise in the years ahead.
And more importantly, as a result of the reforms, millions
of New Zealand children will become better and more fluent
readers earlier in their career. The education reform is rarely
seen as the most glamorous part of a government's program,
but it is the most significant driver of the future
success of a nation and the well being of its people.

(24:22):
How true is that? And what high praise from a
guy who tried to do it himself? Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Apparently we score as a New Zealand we score at
three point three out of five. As a place to die.
We will deal with that in half an hour's time.
Right now, it is fourteen away from five and Barries Soper,
Senior political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry, did you make.

Speaker 11 (24:42):
That announcement just because I was to do with you?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
But you do sound like you're dying.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
Right, a bit of a croaky voice.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
But now I know what's wrong with you is you
just went for a long lunch and you not No,
I wasn't correct along with Booze. I wasn't suggesting booze.
But it was a longer than normal lunch. He's talked
a lot.

Speaker 11 (25:01):
I did talk a lot.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, what I've heard, Yeah, okay. Anyway, so what do
you make of Jerry cracking down on Parliament?

Speaker 11 (25:07):
Well, you know, clearly he's had enough, hasn't he? The
standards in Parliament they've certainly been slipping. We've talked about
it on this program many a time. Began with Trevor
Mallard and he relaxed the dress code in Parliament. Now
they're wearing T shirts, they're wearing sneakers, they're wearing jeans,
I mean, honestly, and don't forget the way that Mallard

(25:30):
treated the protesters. Barry Manilow and has put the sprays
on the front of the parliamentary lawn. Last Thursday's a
speech by maiden speech by Areny Kuiper that essentially broke
the camel's back for Jerry. There'd been an agreement with
the Maldi party that the speech and why Arta would

(25:52):
last no longer than fifteen minutes, which is the longest
you ever have a maiden speech. For well, that went
well over toy minutes and the bell was ringing all
the time, So they can thank themselves the Mauldi party
that Brown is now going to try and tighten the rule.

Speaker 12 (26:08):
Last Thursday's engagement from the gallery could have been accommodated
if already Kuipra had stuck to the Business Committee decision.
Choosing to ignore that turns celebration into disruption. More than
that a highlights of practice and at times iny equitable parliament.
While I firmly believe the atmosphere in Parliament is the
business of its members and that standing orders should accommodate

(26:30):
good humor and reasonable banter, it's my intention that from
this point I will more critically apply the limited measures
available to a speaker to ensure greater respect to show
and from members one to the other, and to the
dignity of the House and the processes of the House
are upheld Later this afternoon, I intend engaging the Business
Committee on changes to attendance records, to dress standards and

(26:55):
to leave provisions.

Speaker 11 (26:57):
I think that's excellent and about time, and the attendance
standards that'll go down like a hot billow or a
coup culture than with the Maori Party, There's no doubt
about that.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Because but I'm going to take what he's doing because
because what ord Any Kuiper it did wrong had nothing
to do with attendance records and nothing to do with
the way that she was dressed. She was actually dress
perfectly fine, right, So he is cracking a completely different
nut to the one that he's complaining of.

Speaker 11 (27:25):
He's talking about basically standards in Parliament that have been
slipping now for some years and they really have to
be restored.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
And that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
And that was an example of the standard slipping when
Kuyper went off on her own and did her own thing.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
But it's clearly designed to target the Marori Party, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (27:44):
Absolutely performative point the question.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
For you why didn't he do this ages ago? Because
this was evidently a problem ages ago.

Speaker 11 (27:52):
It's a good it's a good question, but it really
had to be done.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean it really. It feels like trying to trying
to shut the barn door when the horse was already bolted.

Speaker 11 (28:00):
Well, i'll tell you what, the horse baults again. They
might be bolting out the exit.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
All right, So what do you what does Winston have
to say about the Middle East?

Speaker 11 (28:09):
Well, the Foreign Minister, Winston Peters, he got a question
on developments on the Middle East and wasted no time
in pointing the finger.

Speaker 13 (28:19):
The silence over the past week from some of the
so called pro Palestinian protesters around this country has been
absolutely deafening. For two years, they've rented and raved and
fumed and fulminated about the situation in Gaza. They have
the mandy that we do more, give more, say more,
and virtue signal more. And then over the past week,

(28:40):
as a peace deal has been struck, adios a megos,
as a ceasefire has taken hold, Adios to war and
welcome to peace from them. Not a mutter, not a murmur,
not a civil not a sound. Anti Americanism or any
other sentiments is of no value when you're concerned about peace,
and particularly if you're some arrogant twitter arrived here five
months ago, it doesn't give a concern about this country's

(29:03):
initiative and his peace over the years.

Speaker 11 (29:06):
So who is referring to? There was an interjector, Ricardo
Mendez March who came of course from Mexico.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
That was the adios.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, he makes a good point, doesn't he. That is
it is just radio silence from the people who've got
exactly what they wanted, which is an end to the piece.

Speaker 11 (29:22):
Well, the thing that interested me that the Labor Party,
the Green's Party, the Maldi Party, who have been on
their feet all the time about the Middle East and
Palestine and blah blah. Not one question they could have
asked it today of Winston Peters, not one question came.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
From those quarters.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Just quickly. Jim Bolger's not well.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
Well.

Speaker 11 (29:44):
Just before I leave Winston, he's speaking the Oxford Union
debate the end of next week has been announced to it.
But I've got that on good authority, thank you, and
very sadly. Jim Bolger, of course led this country for
some considerable time in the nineties. He's in the Pelliate
of kir Ward now in Wellington Hospital and his family
has been summoned. So you know, he was a very

(30:07):
entertaining character and a good man to deal with when
he was the Prime Minister and I was a working
journi then.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And your voice sounded a lot like it does today.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It would have thanked appreciate it very so for senior
political correspondent. Eight away from.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (30:29):
In Jerusalem is back with this? Has today been the
easy part? In other words, does piece hold? Is the
war really over? Do they rebuild Gaza? Is the a
gonna flow? And all the other questions.

Speaker 14 (30:38):
President Trump has put the full weight of his office
behind this. Deal is very significant and it's taken a while,
but he really has shown that together with Katar in
Egypt and and the other media mediators, he can push
them all to make a deal. So yes, for the
first time, there is hope, a hopeful feeling in the air.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
But you can never tell.

Speaker 10 (31:02):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk Zi.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
B Heather ordiny Kai. But I had bare feed, so
it wasn't fine. That's from Colin Fairpoint.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
Here.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I didn't see the feet, actually, I just saw a
shot from the sort of knees upwards here, the bloody brilliant.
I was just saying last week that Jerry needed to
grow a pair of balls. Discipline and tax standards. Our
taxes are paying for these clowns. Yeah, I don't. I
don't think anybody's going to have a problem with them
imposing these rules. Are we four away from five? Now?
On the Eru Kappa kingy thing right him abusing the
security staffer allegedly this is what the security staff has written.

(31:35):
I think this is weird, but you tell me what
you think. Eru multiple times referred to redacted name as
an efin white bald head sea bomb brackets. The use
of the term bald head in New Zealand is a
derogatory term towards white people, associating them with the far
right neo Nazi regime and basically calling them a racist
in the worst possible way. Essentially, it can be compared

(31:57):
to someone using the N word to describe a person
color Is it?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I mean, I feel like this security staff has gone
out on the limb. I don't I don't think calling
somebody a white bald head is calling someone a racist,
is it? I mean, it's just it's literally sometimes a
description of what's going on around your face. What Edu
Kappa KINGI did is bad enough. I mean three, you know,
doing the whole like do you know who I am?

(32:25):
You're gonna hate it. When you know who I am,
I'm gonna punch you out. Then a whole bunch of
swears that is bad enough without having to pretend that
what he's done is somehow the equivalent to calling a
white person the N word. But anyway, tell me if
I'm wrong. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
Hither one hundred and forty one hostages were released under Biden,
and there was a ceasefire in place that was supposed
to be permanent. Listen, what, Yes, there were more hostages

(32:49):
released under Biden. That's a fair point to make. But
Biden did not release the last of the hostages. It's
the last that matter the most because it ends the thing. Anyway,
We're off to have a chat about exactly this, what
happens next, what Hamas is up to now, shooting around
Gaza City, whether the peace will last? Roger Shanahan, who
used to be an Australian Army officer and obviously two

(33:09):
commentators with US next on that News.

Speaker 13 (33:11):
Talks B.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's Heather duperic Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Afternoon. Donald Trump has promised a new age of peace
in the Middle East. After the successful return of the
twenty remaining living hostages, he and some other world leaders
have signed a document ending the war in Gaza. The
agreement requires HUMMAS members in Gaza to disarm and make
way for a temporary Palestinian governing committee.

Speaker 15 (33:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Roger Shanahan is a former former Army officer and a
Middle East analyst and with US Hi Roger Hi, how
and well, thank you? Do you think that there will
be lasting piece as a result of this?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
I think we probably have to temper our expectations. Certainly
there's a good chance of peace in Gaza, but broader
Middle East still the foundational elements that make it politically
unstable are still there. This peace agreement doesn't really do
much about that.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
How can you be confident there will be peace in Gaza?

Speaker 16 (34:33):
Well?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
More confident. I think there's a sense of exhaustion after
two years. Both sides really want to go back to
their corners and take stock about the next steps. Hamas
has been severely degraded, but not defeated, and Israel will
be looking to relieve itself as a burden of having

(34:55):
to continually mobilize its reserve population for military operations and
also try and repair its international reputation.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
What do you make of Humas firing in Gaza City?
Is this them trying to assert their dominance again?

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, listen, I think so. There's an inevitable vacuum after
Israeli troops withdrew to their first Phase one lines within Gaza.
There's no international stabilization force yet in place, and so
order is being restored, if you want, by the strongest

(35:35):
party at the moment, and that remains hummus.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, and how will it always remain hummus? Or is
there a chance that somebody else comes up here and
challenges them?

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, well that's a good question, and I think what
we're seeing at the moment is hummus ensuring that in
the short term, at least nobody else is going to
come and try and assert their authority. It's going to
be much more complex when this new stabilization force and
the governing authority whatever that looks like, comes into power,
and what role if any Hamas or a Hummas two

(36:08):
point zero are going to play.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Now, as you've indicated, we can't be sure at all
that this piece is necessarily going to last. But to
the point at which it's got to, right with the
release of the living hostages and peace at the moment
and AID going in, is that enough to qualify Donald
Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize?

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Listen, I think he'd probably be one of the people considered.
But you have to look at persons overall makeup and
contribution to peace. Certainly, there are other players involved in
this peace process. Certainly it wouldn't have got over the
line unless President Trump was there. But we also have
to understand that the US was heavily backing Israel in

(36:51):
a conflict as well. US also bond Iranian territory, and
so does that negate from the positives from the signing
of this peace agreement? I think that'll be up to
the Nobel Prize committee twelve months time.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
And possibly whether they like him or not. Roger, Thanks
very much. Roger Shanahan, former army officer in Afganistan and
a Middle East analyst. It's eleven past.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Five together, do for c Allen.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Now.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
The Maori Party saga's blown up even more last night.
The party sent out a late night email accusing their
MP Muddy a mental Kapa Kingi, of being on track
to overspend her parliamentary budget by one hundred and thirty
thousand dollars. The email also alleged that her son Edu
Kapa Kingi, who's the founder of the toy Tuo Te
Tarti movement, verbally abused parliamentary security staff and was trespassed

(37:40):
from parliamentary grounds. Now neither of them have directly responded
to the allegations. Bryce Edwards is the director of the
Integrity Institute and with us Now, hey, Bryce, hi, heither
this is weird, isn't.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
It to have?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I mean, you have friendly fire in parties, but often
it's through leaks rather than just outright like this isn't it?

Speaker 6 (37:58):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (37:58):
This just shows how deep and bitter those factions are
and the degree of feeling that you can have an
email like this sent out at ten pm on a
Monday night, which is a real payback. This is from
the leadership against the MPs in question. So yeah, this

(38:19):
is a bit of a meltdown.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Are there rules bryce about employing your own family you know,
if you're using taxpayer money like shares.

Speaker 16 (38:28):
There should be I mean they have some soft rules
about it, they're not hard rules that you're supposed to
only hire family members if you can't find someone better, basically,
which isn't much of a rule. So that's what's happened here.
And of course it's only come to light through a
leak that there were family members employed, and only after

(38:51):
there was this person was essentially fired because of these
alleged bad behave so yeah, it's pretty it's pretty amazing.
It's also a case that, as far as understand, the
employee was also an officeholder in the party, which is
also normally not allowed. Parliamentary staff aren't allowed to be

(39:18):
paid to carry out party functions. They're there for parliamentary functions.
They're not supposed to be electioneering, and that's pretty much
what Aero kept Acoming was doing. So yeah, it's right.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, So then who should be investigating this?

Speaker 16 (39:35):
Well, I think Parliamentary Service will be carrying out some
sort of investigation, but of course they are run by
the MPs essentially, and so we probably need an outside
independent person coming into clear all this up, because it
does look like there's been a lot of misuse of
taxpaths funding and used for party purposes. And in the

(40:00):
past the Orders of General has taken a great interest
in this, so I think with about two thousand and
six the Orders of General came in and looked at
some of the ways that the politicians we're using taxpayer
money to essentially electionnere and that's what seems to have
happened here. Yeah, probably good time for the Orders General
to come back in.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Quite Bryce, thank you, it's good to talk to you.
Really appreciate it. This Bryce Edwards, who is the director
of the Integrity.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Institute whatever DUP clan.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Finally, jeez, finally, we've waited so long for this. We
have the name of the company that we've chosen to
build our fairies, and it is the Guangzhou Shipping International Company,
the largest, as Winston says, the largest modern integrated ship
building enterprise in Southern China. So that's good. And now
we're still negotiating with them. Obviously, Ferry Holdings Limited, the
company that's supposed to buy the Fairies on our behalf,

(40:47):
are still negotiating with them, so we have no other details.
The details will be announced in December, but it has
been reiterated that the two Fairies will be arriving in
four years time, so at least we know that news
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good news for us as they're about to launch four
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Atto two, mid sized suv getting a bit bigger here,
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for Sea Allen here the Chippy needs to rule out
the Maori party, Ben, I think many of us agree
with you on that. It's eighteen past five now. By
the way, there is some data taxpayer Union Curier polling

(42:17):
that I think should alarm all of us which indicates
that about one in seven of us thinks violence is
okay if you use it to get the country back
on track. We will discuss that after half past five
right now, though, turns out New Zealand is a three
out of five star place to die. This is data
from Hospice New Zealand. They got dying people in their
cares to give reviews on the services that they're interacted with.

(42:38):
The best was restaurants at four and a half out
of five stars, and the worst government agencies at two
out of two and a half out of five stars.
Wayne Naylor is the CEO of Hospice New Zealand with
US high WAYN Hi here, how are you? I'm well?
Thank you? Why did restaurants school so highly?

Speaker 17 (42:55):
I well, based on the reviews, the people week in
hospitality would more often than not go out of their
way to be helpful, friendly and accommodating for people. I
think that's generally what we expect from hospitality and that's
certainly what came through in the reviews.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And then why do government department school so badly?

Speaker 17 (43:13):
Well, again, based on the reviews, it's that it was impersonal.
It was bureaucratic. People had to go in person to
sign documents or they were faced with a digital wall
that stopped them from doing things, and it was just difficult.
And when they're tired, unwell or grieving, the last thing
you need is just more complication when you're trying to
sort things out and.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Go in person to sign what kind of documents?

Speaker 17 (43:39):
Right, there's a good example of someone having to literally
be taken out of their death bed, put into a car,
taken to get a signature, then had to get taken
to a bank because the only way to do it
was to have an in person on paper signature. And
there's another story at the other end of the scale
where the bank went to the person's house and did
the work with them. Then that was your so that

(44:00):
everyone was in a place of comfort and it was
a great experience. So you know, and the review shows many,
if not all, of these organizations businesses are reviewed, could
be at either end of the scale.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
And it was it two different banks.

Speaker 17 (44:16):
There's I mean, people reported across a range of banks,
so we haven't got just one bank and the same
bank could have a five star rating and a one
star rating. And it really came down to the person
who was in front of the other unwell person, how
they interacted, What.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Do we take away from this, what do we do
about it?

Speaker 17 (44:35):
So it's a great opportunity for a whole range of businesses, organizations,
agencies to look at the reviews find out what great
looks like when you're dealing with someone who's dying and
someone who's grieving or someone who's so busy caring that
it's everything's a trial and learn from what's not gone well,
and also learned from the things that people have said

(44:57):
we're great, so that we can change the experience people
who are dying in New Zealand and the people caring
for them to make it so much better as society
can do way better than what there are is show.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Wayne, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.
Wayne Naylor, CEO of Hospice New Zealand. Heather, I hope
the ships that were buying off the Chinese are better
than the trains that we brought off the Chinese. Me too,
Russell five twenty one on.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your
car on your drive home, it's Heather duper c Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talks, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's five twenty four. As I said, we're going to
talk about violence and politics shortly. Let me tell you, though,
I am praying that this economy turns around quickly and
starts humming again, because I'm really worried about those brain
drain numbers that we're seeing forty eight thousand, kiwis that
is how many left left this country to go live
somewhere else in the year to August. Now, what I
find really weird about this is that we're not really

(45:50):
freaking out about it. Because you think back to two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, the numbers were similar,
but we really freaked out so much back then. Remember
John Key ran his election campaign on turning the brain
drain around. Remember he sat in the Caketon in Wellington.
He did the TV ad where he said the number
of people leaving to Australia could fill the stadium and
he would stop it from happening and so on. So
explain to me, Howard is that in two thousand and seven,

(46:12):
two thousand and eight we freak out about it enough
for that to be an election campaign, but we don't
freak out about it as much today. I heard a
guy talking about this the other day. I reckon I
would put him in his early sixties. He was saying
his two daughters are living in garages in Wellington. They've
both got really good degrees, but they can't find jobs
because the job market is just so tight. It has
now got to the point where he called them both

(46:33):
up and said it's time for them to try Australia.
And he told them if they go over there and
if they start families over there, he and their mother
would follow them over And when he said this, he
actually got a bit misty eyed, because that's a big
thing to do when you are when you have, when
you've lived in a place like New Zealand, as long
as you have that you've established a career. It's your home,
it's where you've been born. You decide that. And yet

(46:54):
what early sixties, you're going to move to another country
near the penchin Age. That is an incredibly scary thing
to do. That's what a lot of people are doing.
I mean, Annie King and her husband live there now
and that's because that's where the grandkids are. This is
what is happening. I worry about this because this is
what Paul Spoonley calls the hollowing out of New Zealand.
It's the stuff that we watch happened to the small
Pacific islands where their brightest kids move to New Zealand

(47:15):
and Australia to have a good life. That is now
happening to us and those kids that we are talking
about leaving New Zealand and now taking their wider families
with them too. What worries me is that the reason
we're not freaking out about it like we did back
in two thousand and seven, in two thousand and eight,
is that, just like those smaller Pacific islands, we now
think this is completely normal.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Just together do for Sea Allen Ah, I.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Got another interesting mayor to talk to you, to tell
you about. So this one is Dunedin's new mayor. Sophie
Barker fifty eight years old. Grew up in Larnark Castle.
Not a lot of people can say that. Her parents
bought Larnak Castle in nineteen sixty seven to renovate it.
And you know, as always happens with the renovation, it
wasn't quick, so it took them a very long time

(47:58):
and there was a lot of rain coming through through
the roof while she was growing up. She's a single mum,
she's got a daughter studying at Otago University. She has
what three brain surgeries I think in her early forties
and still alive to tell the story. She had a
plan B if she didn't win the mayoralty, she was
going to open a cat cafe, so you know people
are interested in need and aren't they Anyway, she says,

(48:20):
becoming mayor is not going to stop her shopping at
Pack and Safe because she has Scottish Presbyterian heritage. She
loves a bargain and she is frugal and as somebody
else with Scottish Presbyterian heritage. Boy, I love that, and
you know what, I think Dunedan's going to love that,
because what do you want in a mayor? Yep, someone
with very short arms of long pockets. Right, Let's talk

(48:43):
about the political violence next, and then we have the
Hubble news talks.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
They'd be in the cutting through the noise to get
the facts. It's Heather do for cy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand coverage like no one else news talk
said me.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Heather, a single cat lady in charge with Duneda and
what could possibly go wrong? Thank you Steven. Here the baldhead,
Oh gosh, I forgot to tell you this. I'm getting
so many texts on what I said about the bald head.
I feel I appear to be on the wrong side
of opinion on this.

Speaker 9 (49:17):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Baldhead is a racist term, especially in the UK. Bob
Marley released a song in the seventies called We're Gonna
chase those crazy bald heads out of town. Roddy, thank you.
This is all new to me. I didn't realize, didn't
realize it was a thing. Anyway, I've got to tell
you about what are in New Zealand's up to, because
were gonna talk to them after six o'clock. But we'll
get to that in attack in the huddle standing by,
it's twenty four away from sex Heather. First of all, though,

(49:40):
a worrying stat has emerged from the latest Taxpayers Union
Curier poll, which is that fourteen percent of people one
in seven of us, agree that New Zealanders may have
to resort to violence to get the country back on track.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
The sentiment was strongest among act Party supporters and Maori
Party supporters. Catherine Dalla Hunt is a former MP and
she's with us now, Hi, Catherine high there Suter. Does
this worry you?

Speaker 18 (50:03):
Well? The country has got a lot of violence in
it already, so of course it worries me. What worries
me is like one in three women experienced domestic violence
in this country, and we've had a shooting of fifty
one people, and so clearly that we're resorting to violence
as part of our daily lives. And I am interested
in the poll though, because it's like, why would people

(50:25):
Why are the supporters thinking this when they've got the
Deputy Prime Minister as their leader, they've got access to power,
and why do they think we need violence to get
back on tracks? As you know, they they've got people
in power who are supposedly getting us back on track.
But I think it's I think it's the sign of deepening,
deepening inequality right now that some people are really really

(50:47):
frustrated and feel really excluded from our society in terms
of it of the things in life that actually make
you feel part of that society. And so some of
those people might be feeling frustrated. Question to me is not,
you know, is this what the what is the cause
of this? What are the causes for why different people

(51:08):
in different sectors of society, people is different as the
two you've mentioned, should feel that somehow violence is going
to which we already have a lot of, is going
to solve anything. And then we need to dig into
that because it really worries me. Even asking that the
pole question actually worries me. Because it's so you know,
it's so good or bad. So I find poles and

(51:30):
referendums often ask questions and you get answers that seem
really terrible. But actually if you dig deeper, people have
quite nuanced views. But many people are feeling it's okay
to say that now. Is that to do with the
Trump effect? That it's okay to talk about violence now?
And given that you know Donald Trump is taking his
own citizens, is this encouraging people to think?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
So?

Speaker 18 (51:52):
Is it violent?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Something?

Speaker 18 (51:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
So, after the Charlie Kirk murder, somebody who I know
said to me, well, Charlie Kirk shouldn't have said what
he said and then he wouldn't have got shot. It
was kind of asking for it, is what somebody said.
And it feels to me like there's a little bit
of that going on, Like if you say something that
others consider to be so inflammatory or so incendiary, then
you're asking for the violence. Do you see that?

Speaker 18 (52:14):
No, I've experienced violent threats all my life. If I,
as a woman say things that are challenging, I've had
men threaten me with violence. I don't think it's new.
I think it's just being validated by leadership. So I
think it's unacceptable to shoot somebody?

Speaker 16 (52:32):
What about it?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
What if it's the effect of social media right in
that it's helping. Yeah, Like, as you say, this is
not new, it's been going on for a long time.
But maybe what we're seeing is that if you retreat
far enough into your own echo chamber and you get
your views endorsed by other people, you may actually go
so far down that particular rabbit hole whatever it is,
you think it's okay to become violent because of how

(52:55):
strongly how wrong the other person is. Could that be
part of the explanation.

Speaker 11 (52:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (53:00):
I think I think polarize and threatening behavior has always
been there. I think social media is making it worse
and people. I think if you look at, say, for example,
the group of infols, the group of young males who
believe they're entitled to women's bodies and who believe that
they can take be violent towards women to get what
they want, I think it's rape culture in another form,

(53:22):
and I think it's very worrying, and it's and it
is maximized through the Internet. So it's easy to blame
the Internet, but it's definitely very, very scary when people
lose touch with there with other people and lose their
relationships in society, but resorts to watching things on the
internet that validates that kind of violence. I mean, I

(53:44):
mean the whole thing, and what happened in America and
what is happening in America is a society in meltdown
and it's it's really disturbing to watch it. And the
amount of violence against immigrants, which is validated by the government,
is not helping. So you've got this. There's not only
are people on the internet in rooms is kind of
fucking up violence ideas, but there's also states that are
advocating for violent solutions, and I think that's really really scary.

(54:08):
And I can't say that our history makes me feel
confident that we are we have we have underpinnings of violence.
This country was colonized and built on violence. The trauma
of that our historical process is still with us. And
then you get the Internet kind of making it worse.

Speaker 19 (54:24):
So yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
It is.

Speaker 18 (54:26):
It's important to ask the question if you're going to
have a conversation about violence, you had to go to
cause and not just the kind of click state of statistics.
What is the cause of people talking like this, It's
not just the statistic.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Catherine is good to talk to you. Thank you very much.
Catherine Della Hunting, former MP nineteen away from Sex the
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Speaker 2 (54:49):
On the Huddle of Us this evening, we have Bridget
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Speaker 19 (54:55):
You too all right?

Speaker 20 (54:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
What do you reckon, Bridget? How do we take the
tone down so people don't feel like they have to
use the violence?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (55:04):
I think it's that polarization and that echo chamber that
was just being discussed has led it to people believing
or accepting that violence is a tool that within the
toolbox because they're not getting i think, so many balanced
views anymore. And you can just see that play out.
I think the parliamentary protests were an absolute example of that.
In the beginning, you had a very peaceful, well organized protest,

(55:26):
a lot of people there for the right intention, but
what you ended up was that core, that sort of
self reflecting echo chamber of core people who believe the
only way out of that protests or the ones to
show that they're frustration was violence. And I think that
this poll is reflective of that kind of view of
people that don't believe are being heard, that are being
fed information to tell them they're not being heard, seeing

(55:48):
that violence is the only option.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What do you think, Galy?

Speaker 19 (55:52):
Look, I agree with Catherine that everything that she said,
but I think the thing that I agreed with my
strongly was her comment around thetistics and the skewing here.
I mean, you know, when Jordan and I are on
we bang heads a bit, and I feel the same
about this this survey. I mean, their website says a
quarter of the party MARII and one in five ACT

(56:13):
voters say violence may be needed to fix New Zealand.
That's just absolute nonsense. I mean you've heard the same lies,
damned lives and statistics, and that's what I think this
is in that question about violence and whether we may
need to resort to violence to get New Zealand back
on track. If you look at the results of this
thousand people survey, eighty percent disagreed and six percent were unsure.

(56:37):
So I think we have to keep it in context.
We've seen violence before the Springbot too, the Queen Street Rights.
We've always seen it. But I think that this, if
you want to talk about dog whistle politics, this is
how to create a story out of nothing at all,
in my opinion's nonsense.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
So do you think, okay, are you arguing, Alie, that
fourteen percent you can be historically consistent? Not a big deal, it.

Speaker 19 (57:04):
Would be historically consistent.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
What sorry, are you arguing that fourteen percent of people
saying yep, violence is okay? To get the country back
on track would be pretty much the historical norm.

Speaker 19 (57:13):
Well, I don't know what it is. But then even
in the question itself, Heather, what does getting the country
back on track mean? It might mean something to one
person and something to someone else. I just think when
you look at eighty percent disagreed with that, that's the
story here, and I think this has been created to
get that to party MARII and five act voters stat

(57:34):
out of that, that's just creating a news story.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
All right, We'll take a break and come back to
you guys, And just to take its sixteen away from six.

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I've got something to tell you about that before six.
So stand by. It's thirteen away from sex and we're
back with the huddle. Bridget Morton and our Jones. Now,
Bridget I have been given given that the release of
the hostages, it should be a momentous day of celebration.
I'm actually quite surprised to how muted it is, are you.

Speaker 15 (58:11):
I'm not surprised. I think the silence, particularly from the
Greens up until this point probably indicates that for them
it was about the fight more than it's been about
the outcome and the fact that they haven't been able
to I think celebrate the fact that there is peace
at the moment, and that there is for you know,
people on both sides a lot more stupidly going forward

(58:32):
than what they've had for the last two years.

Speaker 16 (58:34):
I think reflects quite badly on them.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
I would have liked to see, I think much more
celebration in New Zealand and an acknowledgment of the impact
that it's been had. But unfortunately, I think that some
people have been blinded by Trump's involvement in this deal
and are concerned that if they express, you know, delight
or positivity around it, that they're somehow giving Trump some

(58:57):
credit that they don't want to give him.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yeah, Alie, That's where I landed, I think. I mean,
I think part of it is that people are, you know,
reluctant to celebrate a piece that could fall apart at
any minute. But also I think it is the Trump involvement.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
What do you think?

Speaker 18 (59:10):
Oh, absolutely, I totally agree with you.

Speaker 19 (59:12):
I think that acknowledging or even praising Trump is going
to be a massive challenge for a lot of people.
I was reading online today that a lot of the
Democrats in Washington have been making statements and they've actually
worked really hard not to include Trump's name in any
of the comments that they've met. You know, I know
that Hillary Clinton and Broke Obama have come out and
they have praised him, and I think they've had to

(59:33):
otherwise it would have looked childish. But I think the
other thing that makes this difficult to celebrate really is
the incredible destruction and the death of children and women
and pregnant women lose. I mean, I think it's been
so revolting and horrible for so long that yes, it's
great to celebrate this, but there's still that very, very

(59:55):
obvious and present specter of what's been going on for
the last two years that I think is one of
the reasons why people are quite muship with it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah, perhaps, so, Hey, what's going on with the Maori Party,
bridget what have you heard?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:00:10):
I mean, obviously quite a lot of internal infractions. I
think their move last night to send an email out
their supporters making it clear exactly what the allegations were
against Carpukenni and her son are very clear pointed frustration
that they have been under pressure the leadership for the
last week or so to be shown that they're not dictators,

(01:00:30):
and the other allegations made against them. I think this shows,
this public display shows that those frustrations have boiled over
and they they're not able to deal with them internally anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, you know what, Alie I did not love the
fact that she was using taxpayer money to pay her son.
What about you?

Speaker 19 (01:00:46):
No, I agree, And I heard the comments earlier about
the rules being a little blurred about what you should
and shouldn't do. I think anyone with half a brain
could work out what you should and shouldn't do. And
we all know about perceived conflict and real conflict of
interest as well. But what's really interesting about what's happening
with the Malori party now is it just keeps guessing worse.

(01:01:07):
I mean, I do wonder whether there is this culture
of arrogance within the party. I mean we've seen it
with Tommaheavy last week, you know, being smart as he
was being asked questions about the dictatorship and the alleged
dictatorship kind of waves the leader's lead. And we saw
when Mikey Sherman was asking questions, quite legitimate questions, and

(01:01:28):
the leaders just basically turned around and walked away. I mean,
even though we're hearing that they are resetting and that
they aren't really like this, and now this email has
come out, we're not seeing anything that suggests that they are,
you know, any better than we're being told, and we
see they are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
It doesn't look flash.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Ell.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Are you worried about the brain drain?

Speaker 20 (01:01:48):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 19 (01:01:48):
I think this is really interesting from a you know,
the point that you raised about a few years ago,
we would have been quite worried about it. I don't
know whether it is a brain drain now so much
we have got a lot of brain in New Zealand
that actually can't get jobs too, you know, our nurses,
some of our midwives. So I don't think it's a
brain drain. And I also think we're so distracted Heather
was trying to manage our food buying and our access

(01:02:12):
to the health system and the doctors that people going
to Australia is not as high on our list of
concerns is as maybe it was five ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
I totally agree with you, and I wonder Bridget it's actually,
you know, we're so concerned with our own bills that
it starts to look like a rational option to us.
Therefore we could hardly begrudge the other people doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:02:30):
Absolutely, And I mean I was someone that left the
country for Australia than two thousand and seven, and most
importantly I came back. And I hope that I came back,
you know, with the masters and with eight years of experience,
that I bring back value to the country. And I
hope that that means that others who have gone out
and that's tradition of tea weis to go out and
you know, experience the world and come back, come back

(01:02:51):
with stuff that actually values the country and makes us
a better country. So I don't regard to anyone who's leaving.
I mean, that would be completely hypocritical of me to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
So I suppose. So, guys, good to talk to you.
Thank you very much. Bridget Moreton, who's a lawyer of
Frank's Ogilvy, and Allie Jones from Red pr And by
the way, in about an hour's time, we'll have on
the show Paul Bloxham, who is HSBC's rock star Chief Economist,
who wants to talk to us about the brain drain actually,
so we'll get his perspective on it. Then eight away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
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Do you remember how the government pass that law that
stopped the judges from handing out ridiculously high sentenced discounts. Well,
yes you do, because it was a big deal. A

(01:04:07):
judge just ignored it. He's given what he himself calls
an enormous discount so that a seventeen year old doesn't
have to go to jail. So let me tell you
about what the kid did and then you can decide
whether he should have got this enormous discount. So it
was Christmas Eve last year. A driver gets lost in
Northland because his phones run out of juice, so he
can't find his way, so he pulls up on the
roadside tries to figure out what he's going to do Next.
A seventeen year old kid, Carver Peihoper, and a group

(01:04:31):
of others, all armed with steel bars, come up to
the car. They smashed the driver's window. They drag the
driver out of the car and they beat him. They
leave him so dazed that he struggles to stand. The
seventeen year old took part in the beating. The seventeen
year old then took the bloke's phone. They demanded his pin.
He gave it to them. They forced him into the
seventeen year old's car and they drove around. Then they

(01:04:51):
went back to his car and they drove around. They
forced him to buy them alcohol, pies and cigarettes from
a liquor store and a service station. Ah, this seventeen
year old was the one in some of the CCTV
that takes him into the stores basically to accompany him.
He did what they told him to do because he
thought they had a gun. But even if they didn't
have a gun, bad the steel bars. Eventually they let

(01:05:11):
him go. He drove himself straight to a petrol station.
He called the cops. This seventeen year old just appeared
before Judge Andre Wiltons, who gave him a discount of
sixty two percent, even though it's capped at forty percent.
Andre handed down a sentence discount of sixty two percent,
which he himself said, as I said earlier, is enormous
and he said this. The government of the day say

(01:05:34):
I shouldn't do that. They passed legislation to make sure
judges can't do that unless it's manifestly unjudged, unjust. In
this situation and bearing in mind your circumstances, I would
say that is the case. Seventeen year olds don't deserve
to be in jail rarely unless it's absolutely imperative, and
it's not in your case. So as a result, the
judge gave him twelve months of home d followed by

(01:05:56):
twelve months of intensive release conditions. What do you think, hmmm,
what do you think beat a bloke, chucked him in
the cart, made him drive around. I don't know, I
don't know. I mean this is it's ultimately up to
whether you believe this is a kid who just made
one little whoopsie in his life is now on back
on track, or if this is a kid who, when

(01:06:17):
armed with a steel bar, does all of this stuff
is probably you know, not to be put back on track.
We'll see, we'll see if Andre's right on this one. Anyway,
Air New Zealand has just done the thing that we
wanted them to do. They've teamed up with Air Chathams.
So if you book a flight now to wherever the
air Chatams flies, your bag will go all the way through.
You're not gonna have to take it out and recheck it.
You'll be booked all the way through. We'll talk to
Air New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
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Evening coming up in the next hour. Hey miss McKay
on whether the gene editing bill is dead now, Paulo
on whether we should be worried about the brain drain.
And we have Ende Brady out of the UK seven
past six now in New Zealand is finally dealing with
one of those annoying things that's been bugging people who
fly regionally. People can now book a single ticket for
journeys that combine a domestic flight with a regional flight

(01:07:15):
operated by Air Chathams. It means one booking, so the
luggage is checked all the way through to your final destination,
even when you swap carriers. Mike Williams is there in
New Zealand's Chief Transformation and Alliances Officer and with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Us Hime mike Hi, how are you well?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Thank you? So is this just the fucker pane destination?

Speaker 21 (01:07:33):
Well, today's step one, but I hope there's a step
two and maybe a step three beyond that. So it
is as a start, it's we can think of it
as a trial ready, making sure that we have things
set up and it works smoothly, because it's been a
long time since we've been able to put one of
these what we call interline arrangements together. But absolutely I
hope to see more of New Zealand connected in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
And are you able to do it if you're flying internationally?
So for ex sample, I don't know. Let's say you're
flying from somewhere in Australia into New Zealand and you're
going to go through to Fakatana. Can you do it
like that?

Speaker 21 (01:08:07):
At the moment, we're just looking at the domestic scope.
But again I think it's a case for us of
working super closely with their chathams and the regions and
then let's see what the future looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
What's so hard about it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
It just takes time.

Speaker 21 (01:08:20):
I mean, some of these things are operationally complex, and
it's really thinking about what happens in the case of
a disrupt and do the digital systems talk well to
each other, and have we trained all of our staff
and things like that. So I wouldn't say it's difficult,
but it's just one that we want to get right
so that customers have a great experience.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
So is it more about the computers than it is
about actually picking up the right bag and chucking it
in the right place.

Speaker 21 (01:08:42):
Well, it's all of the above, really, But you know,
the system is complicated and complex in some cases, so
it pays to take a bit of time to make
sure that things are done in a really seamless way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Why is it, Mike that I mean, corrent me if
I'm wrong. But this is quite normal overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:08:59):
It is normal, especially with international airlines. And I don't
know what the exact number is. I think it's up
to about fifty interline partnerships that we've got around the world.
But it's much more normal when there's larger air lines
connecting with other larger airlines. It's actually not that common
to have these sorts of relationships domestically. But you know,
today is a great day for air Chathams who have

(01:09:20):
been serving amazingly well for many years. It's a great
day for it's a great day for regions like this.
And to your earlier question, I think the excitement is
that we really look at this as step one of
a few steps.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
So why is it that it's it's more common with
the big carriers than it is with the little ones.

Speaker 21 (01:09:39):
Yeah, it's just the nature really of where customers want
to travel to and generally speaking, domestic networks are more
call it point to points, so you fly from A
to B and that gets you where you need to
get to. There's less traffic that flows through hubs and
that's much more common internationally when you're connecting between you know,
Auckland through single or to get to somewhere else for example.

(01:10:01):
But there's no reason why.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
It shouldn't work.

Speaker 21 (01:10:04):
And again, ultimately this is about connecting regions between Chatham's
network with regions from in New Zealand's network as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, Mike, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Mike Williams,
Chief Transformation and Alliances offer Officerity in New Zealand's ten pars.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Sas Heather duplesdy Ellen Ah Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
As you can imagine, not a lot of love for
the judge giving the big old discount to old mate,
the seventeen year old who smacked the other guy up
with steel bar. Hither seventeen years old or not. That
crime against another human was calculated and prolonged and that
guy should have been sent to jail and texto on
like that. What a surprise, Heather. An item has just

(01:10:42):
gone up on Stuff's website about the greens muted response
to the Gaza ceasefire. Turns out the soar about Trump's involvement. James,
thank you for pointing me to it. This explains that
this explains the silence. Okay, so the piece is headlined
Greens say Trump shouldn't get any credit for Israel Garza
peace steal. And basically the reporter here makes the point

(01:11:03):
that you know, after wearing the kefi eff for god
knows how long in Parliament and you know, going on
about what's going on in Gaza quite rightly raising it,
talking about it. Greens have been going on about it
for ages. Minute, there's a cease fire and we actually
get the thinger we want, which is that the shooting
stops and the kids can eat, they don't say anything.
Asked if they were welcoming Trump's epic peace plan, co

(01:11:23):
leader Madimer Davidson was not pleased with the questions phrasing.
Excuse me, she said, a US president who could have
stopped tens of thousands more killing at least a year ago.
She asked, a US president who has been funding aiding
and a beating a genocide for a long time. Question,
But does the president deserve any credit at all? She says,
not at all. He gets my absolute criticism for continuing

(01:11:45):
to support violence against the Gardens and Palestinians for many
years too long. There you go explains everything. Six twelve.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
The Rural Report on Heather do the c Allan.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Drive Heather FYI for Madam Trump couldn't have done anything
a year ago because he didn't become president until January
this year. Inconvenient fact, Tony very inconvenient sixteen past six
Hamish mackay filling in for Jamie McKay on the country
is with Us, Hello Hamish, Hello Heather, it's the gene
editing bill dead.

Speaker 20 (01:13:14):
I think it's get pretty close to that. I mean,
national will be the sort of slowgo here act in
New Zealand first now really sort of raising their concern.
Screens and labor obviously have said about this in the past,
but it's just too many unknowns here, and you've got
groups like Beef and Land New Zealand they want a
far more consultation. They feel, like chair Kate Ecklin was

(01:13:35):
on the show today, I feel like it's been rushed
through a bit. Venison farmers the same. I mean, this
gene modification, I mean where could this potentially end? And
I quite like, you know, taking the side of caution here.
I mean you've got examples in America where you've got
these cattle mutations where cows were the cattle were bull

(01:13:56):
bred to be hornless and suddenly they can't handle antibiotics.
I mean, what next do we breed it? Do we
grow a super spud here in New Zealand and all
of a sudden it causes men to grow more nasal
heir and bushy eyebrows. I mean all sorts of things
could go wrong. So I think it's you know, I
think we've already got a modification as it is, so
I think this one's a little way away for now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
So what is going on here is this. Is there
a move amongst the farming community to oppose.

Speaker 20 (01:14:23):
This, Yeah, you know, beef and lamb. I mean, they'd
be I think that'd be fair to say that they
speak for a good percentage of farmers. Venison had Venison
farmer dunk and Harmon today out of Mount Summers. So yeah, yeah, look, look, look, look,
just get it right through. I think that I think
the feeling is get it right first. You know this,

(01:14:43):
You know, we don't really know what you know, we
can never be one hundred percent sure when you start
marking around with jeans, can you. So I think that's
I think I'm quite surprised. I'm quite impressed, you know,
because certainly when you when we were talking about you know,
crops that we want to be pest resistant and overside
tolerant and all that. You know, surely you know there's
certain things that we would like to progress more quickly

(01:15:06):
in the egg and hart sector. But yeah, I just
think it's a bit of a cautious approach here across
the board.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Okay, So is there how much of our international reputation
gets a bit of a premium because we are GM free?

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:15:20):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, you know, for instance, Venison is
one of those that trades on that, and you know,
I think it's like it's you know, it's a bit
of a Pandora's box if we open this up, you know,
or and you know, the potential for the spread of
genetically modified crops. There's all sorts of things. But our

(01:15:40):
reputation is sort of clean and green and quite simple.
It would be massive, I think in terms of the
overall perception on a global basis.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Now, can I put it to you Home Mash that
the reason I suspect the reason that New Zealand VERST
has piped up about this now is because they're preparing
for next year's election and they want to court the
farmer's vote. This is why they're doing this. This is
why they're starting to make noises about Fonterra. What do
you think?

Speaker 20 (01:16:03):
Oh, I can only but agree with you, Heather. I
think you're very astudent on the money there and starting
to make noise at the right time with the farmers
who they have, you know, to a certain degree, they've
got some of them in their court. So yeah, yeah,
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Oh, Hamish, thank you. I'll take that and run with it.

Speaker 20 (01:16:22):
Yeah, I'm not going to dispute you when you make
so much sense, you know, hand it back to you
on a plate.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Listen, You're welcome, as I say, stay on the show
as long as you want. Hamus MacKaye. Jamie's going to
come back. He better be very agreeable when he comes back.
I was just going to swap him out for Hamish anyway,
he's filing in. Hamus is filling in for Jamie obviously.
On the country. It's twenty past six d l. By
the way, on the subject of Trump, did you see
Trump and mccron have got into the weird little handshake

(01:16:51):
battle again. They've done this. I cannot tell you how
many times they've done this, But it's becoming a thing now,
isn't like it was a thing a long time ago,
and now it's just coming extremely strange. So the handshake
this time started normally. It was just a shake, and
then all of a sudden it just turned into like
an arm wrestle grip, and they were standing their arm
wrestle gripping with each other, and then, as if to

(01:17:12):
kind of underscore the arm wrestle nature of it, one
of them pulled the arms towards them, and then the
other way, and when the other way, and it was
kind of went back and forth really weirdly. It went
on for twenty six seconds. Now I have viewed this
multiple times and it's Macron. He's the problem here. So
the reason here's the problem is because he starts this
right because he's the one who's got something to prove

(01:17:33):
old mates, already the leader of the free world and
just just stitched up a deal in the Middle East
that's basically got everybody kind of like weirdly impressed with him.
Macron's got a lot to prove and really wants to
sort of show that he's the big dog. So what
he does is he goes in for the normal handshake,
but he does that powerflip.

Speaker 21 (01:17:49):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Have you ever had that done to you when they
powerflip you and they put their hand on top so
they basically palm face down and you've got your your
your palm is upwards. Just that's dominance move. Like there
are so few people in the world who can be
bothered playing childish games like that, but mcron is one
of them. So anyway, he flips, he flips Trump's palm,
so Trump is palm up and he sort of holds

(01:18:11):
there for ages and Trump goes to let go. And
as Trump goes to let go, that's when Macron goes
for the arm wrestle grip. The more I see, I mean,
like this is probably obvious to you, but the more
I see of a manual Macron, the weirder he is.
He's an incredibly strange person. Also, just in a little
bit of a little bit more international news about weird
things that were happening. You remember how I told you

(01:18:32):
the other day Norway was getting itself ready because if
they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to anybody other than Trump,
Trump was going to pack a giant adult tantrum. And
so they were ready for tariffs. Well, no nobody prepared
themselves for Venezuela packing a massive tantrum, did they. Apparently
Venezuela has closed its embassy in Oslo yesterday. They weren't
answering the phone by yesterday evening. The numbers were disconnected.

(01:18:55):
They haven't given a reason, but it might be that
the Nobel Peace Prize was given to the Vennezuelan opposition
leader and maybe the government didn't like that. Six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Talks'd be The gene editing is essential for horticulture disease
resistant trees and grasses to lower methane emissions. Heather, I'm
an orchidis totally against the ge Bill is from Layton.
Heather Macron is trying to impose his masculinity after his
husband beat him up on TV. Look, that's a conspiracy theory.
It's not true, but it's actually quite a funny text. Anyway, Listen,

(01:19:40):
we've got to talk about the Taxpayers Union. What they've
just busted the Social Ministry of Social Development doing Ministry
of Social Development has spent two point eight million dollars
on a survey. It's a youth well being survey and
included in it this is not the major cost, but
what was included in it is that they send boxes
of brownies to school to encourage them to take part

(01:20:01):
in it. Now, I don't have a well, I mean,
I do have a problem with the boxes of brownies
because come on, like, just take part in the survey.
You don't need KFC and Warriors tickets and stuff to
just be part of civic society. And it didn't even
But anyway, it only costs seven and a half thousand
for the brownies. But the problem that I have is
how on earth is a survey costing two point eight

(01:20:24):
million dollars Because it looks to me like it only
surveyed the kids in one hundred and eighty four schools
that works out at fifteen thousand dollars a school.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
How does it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Cost fifteen thousand dollars a school to find out what's
going on with the youth health and well being? Someone
is taking the mickey with money here and I don't
know who it is, but I think it's all of
Wellington six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yes, is that everyone's favorites, everyone's dad's favorites. Raunchy team
comedy series The in between Ers might be back on
the tally, But this is because the shows look I
sound I'm not excited about this Andala will explain in
a minute. The show's co creators, Ian Morris and Damon
Beasley have signed a deal with the UK production company
to continue on the story. They haven't said if it's

(01:21:15):
going to be a movie or a new series or
an ad or what it's going to be. They have
hinted all four main actors would return because obviously, because
what else are they doing. And they did recently try
to do a reunion for the tenth year anniversary, but
they got massive backlash from fans because which was hosted,
by the way by Jimmy Carr, because it took a
more mean spirited approach to remembering the show, and James Buckley,
who plays Jay, recently told a podcast the reunion wasn't

(01:21:38):
the experience he'd hoped it would be, so.

Speaker 22 (01:21:40):
It became a thing where it wasn't a celebration of
that good thing that I did in my life. It
was me being taken the best out of hours and
the end, and I didn't have the personality or the
intelligence to cope with that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
So fans may get what they want this time, though,
because the co creators have said in the statement that
they are incredibly excited to be plotting more adventures for
our four favorite friends Brackets are Friends. The reason I'm
not excited about this is because I literally have no
idea what this is about never watched it. I've never

(01:22:18):
watched an episode. After reading that, I don't want to
watch an episode. It sounds lame. The Germans says it
is lame. She says it's the lamest show. Jokes might
have been funny in twenty ten, but they're not funny anymore. No,
your face is doing what my face is doing. Everyone's
dad can keep watching it, but the rest of us,
I think, are out tapping tapping out. Paul Bloxham's next,
you said my heart from the feeder.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Oh, if it's to do with money, it matters to
you your business hour.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
We're the header do for c Ellen and maz for
insurance investments and huiye safer and you're in good heads
news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
He'd be, Oh, we will have Ender Brady out of
the UK with us in ten minutes time. Heather, listen, sweetye.
Can I call you sweety again because you didn't mind
last time. Murray's a repeat offender there. Try pronouncing Macron

(01:23:17):
macron and not merk Kron. It's a lot closer to
his actual name, and you'll sound more intelligent and less
like a Fox News presenter. Cheers from Murray, who is bilingual.
Oh look at you, muzz speak two languages, ye flash guy, No,
because listen, Murray, will you not here for that discussion?
I don't do French, right, We're speaking English, and if
they're going to be dicks to us, we're going to

(01:23:38):
be dicks right back at them. So it's it's seven blanc.
It is crassant, it is reproach, reproach Mont. You go
hard on bastardizing the French. If there's one language that
you are absolutely given total permission to just go hard on,
go hard on it, obviously, And we've established the parameters before,

(01:23:58):
haven't we. Ants we do need some words to be
pronounced properly, like ballet, no point coming out and going ballot.
No one's going to know what you're talking about. So
as long as you work within the parameters, a healthy
amount of mickey taking from about the French is allowed.
And macron great place. Did I say that? Probably or wrong?
I don't even know anymore and I don't care anyway.
What's the time? Twenty three away from seven Paul Blocks?

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Heather duplesl On is much more serious?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Matter? Is Paul Block? Some HSBC chief economist is with us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Hello, Paul good A.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Okay, so the minutes have come out and it looks
like you're getting no more rate cuts until at least February.

Speaker 23 (01:24:33):
Oh look, I think there's still a chance the RBA
could get over the line for cutting. They haven't said no,
but they're saying that they're you know, just the economy
is in an upswing where at full employment inflation is
in the upper part of the target ban.

Speaker 24 (01:24:46):
There's no great rush for them to do anything.

Speaker 23 (01:24:48):
I think the critical feature of this will be a
couple of things. We get some labor force numbers later
this week, so employment numbers.

Speaker 24 (01:24:53):
And what they do is going to be important.

Speaker 23 (01:24:55):
But the really important one is going to be the
quarterly CPI print that we get on the twenty ninth
of October. So that last bit of information will either
make or break the idea that the RBA gets to
cut again this year or not. I think the RBA
is near the end. I don't think that they have
a lot of reason to be cutting a lot further,
but they may yet be able to cut a little
bit further.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:25:15):
I think the the RBA setting us up for the
idea that we're nearing the end, that there isn't necessarily a.

Speaker 6 (01:25:20):
Good reason to be cutting a lot further from here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
And that's what I think we got out of the
minute today.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
What are you expecting in the CPI print.

Speaker 23 (01:25:27):
We think that the trim mean measure will allow the
RBA just enough room the points that it'll be a
point seven on the quarter. That's what we're looking for,
and that's that's the key figure to be looking for,
you know, the we'll see. I don't know what the
consensus is yet, because of course it's a couple of
weeks away still, but the RBA was looking for it
to potentially at their last set of full cast to
be a point six or a point seven about that

(01:25:49):
sort of mark. And so they're talking about the risk
of some upside surprise to that measure, and a lot
of it's based on this monthly CPI indicator that we
get in Australia, a little bit like the selected price
indicators that you get in New Zealand. And I think
it's still early days for reading too much into those
indicators because I think they're still not necessarily that good
a guide to the final quarterly print. So that quarterly

(01:26:10):
print's going to mean a lot for Australia. The market
at the moment's pricing about a forty percent, chants that
the RBA will cut in November.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
What do you make of our migration stats which came
out yesterday, Well, they.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Looked very weak.

Speaker 23 (01:26:24):
I mean I think that you know, it's pretty clear
still that the labor market is quite soggy, quite soft
in New Zealand. And with that, you're still seeing Kiwis
wanting to move to Australia, where the labor market is
actually still holding up pretty well. And you know, we're
basically at full employment and there's still jobs available here
for Kewis to move into.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
So, you know, the thing we.

Speaker 23 (01:26:45):
Haven't seen happened as fast as we might have thought
was that the Kiwi economy, the New Zealand economy, hasn't
really turned around as quickly. That GDP print in the
second quarter was of course very weak, and the RBNZ
responded with their fifty basis point cut. You know, the
economy hasn't turned around quite as quickly as we thought
it might. We thought the high dairy prices and the
really sharp decline and interest rates that we'd already seen

(01:27:07):
would get things going. It's taking a bit longer, I
think than we'd anticipated. So that's seeing the labor market
work loose, and because the labor markets wheat, people are
choosing to still continue to flow across the taskment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Paul, correct me if I'm wrong, But I recall that
we had a discussion about the different approaches that the
arbyans Ind and the RBA was taking, and that the
RB and Z was going hard on just trying to
control inflation, whereas the RBA was considering inflation and unemployment
at the same time. Have we reached a point at
which we can say one approach is correct in the
other knot, or one is better.

Speaker 21 (01:27:39):
I think we can.

Speaker 23 (01:27:41):
We did have that conversation We've had a number of
times on this program, and I think we were waiting
to make a judgment as to how weather it was
better to lean in really hard with interest rate rises
like the RB and Z did and get inflation down fast,
of course, at the cost of slowing the economy down more,
or take a more gradualist approach, which is what THEA did.
They lifted rates by less, slow the economy by less,

(01:28:02):
and got inflation down more slowly. It took longer, but
they did get there. In the end, I think, you know,
you can sit back and say that it looks as
though the RBA took a better approach. The RBA's approach
is delivered outcomes that have been a bit easier to absorb.
The economy didn't tip into a recession last year. It's
back into an economic upswing. The unemployment rate is steady

(01:28:23):
at full employment, and inflation's on target. And I guess
in New Zealand, you know, hitting the economy hard did
get inflation down, but it's brought along some costs with it,
and it's still those costs are still there. It's not
clear that the New Zealand economy is quite out of
this yet, but that upswing has gotten going solidly yet.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Yeah, fascinating stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:28:42):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
It's good to talk to you as always. Thank you
so much, mate. We'll talk to you soon. Paul Bloxham's
HSBC Chief Economists here. The chippy ist chromeic coming across
as weak and desperate by not ruling out the Maldi
party too early, Steve too early. I think, Look, I
mean parties, parties go through this kind of stuff, right,
Let's put it in perspective. Parties go through their things

(01:29:02):
they go through, their their personnel who behave badly, MPs
who behave badly. This is not unusual and I think
there is there is at this point in the term
that have to be something really crazy big for Tippy
to go right. I absolutely cannot work with a slot.
I don't think this meants the threshold. But if they
cannot get their act together by roughly this time next year,
which is a very high chance, he will have to

(01:29:25):
rule them out then. But on that actually there was
so the email that I've been speaking about that was
sent out last night had some really interesting things in it,
including this interesting admission. This is this is from the
Maori Party leadership toy tow Tetarriti, which is you know
that that that activist movement that was started, you know,
the protests that were started to oppose the Treaty Principal's bill.

(01:29:47):
Toy tow Tetarriti was set up by tepat Maori activists.
It was purposely designed to build a soft bridge in
and around support with the party Maori without occasioning formal membership,
et cetera. Now, why I think that is important is
because do you remember at the time of those hikoy
and those protest movements. It was being painted by some

(01:30:08):
as this organic like just this organic thing that was
happening because all of these people both you know, Tanga
Ta Tarriti and Tanga to Tana to Fenuwa were just
so upset about what was happening. They're all just organically
getting together and no, not at all. Edu was doing it.
Edu was the vice president and Edu was also the organizer,
and he was doing it on purpose, and it was

(01:30:29):
set up by them on purpose.

Speaker 6 (01:30:30):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
You will not have to die wandering. You now know
because they sent out the email. There is something that
I need to talk to you about because I before
I forget and I've been meaning to talk to you
about this for a couple of days. Do you remember
last week we talked about the drug decriminalization because the
Drug Foundation reckons we need to decriminalize all the drugs
in the country or solve all the problems. Just so

(01:30:52):
I just think, take a trip to k Road for me,
if you live in Auckland, take a trip to k
Road on a Saturday morning or a Sunday morning and
go and have a look what that was look like.
Because it is alarming what happens. We basically have already
decriminalized drugs to some extent, right, because if you go
to K Road, you will see people sitting there openly
taking drugs, openly dealing drugs. Some will tell you they

(01:31:15):
see ye a bit of fornication happening, and you can
kind of see it happening, right, So there's a lot
of behavior that's associated with the drugs that's also not great.
But the point is simply, do you think the cops
don't know that's happening. They know it's happening, They know
it's being deal the drugs are being dealt there, They
know that the drugs are being taken. You can walk past,
you can see it for yourself, first thing in the
morn And when I say first thing in the morning,
like I'm talking about ten o'clock, right, so it's not

(01:31:36):
that early. So yeah, if you're like, well, I'm kind
of interesting interested in the decriminalization, have a walk up
K Road, see if you like what it looks like,
and then we have another chat about it. Because the
more I see of this, the less I like the
idea sixteen away from seven croaching the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
It's hither to the sea Elan with the business hour
and mass for insurance investments and Kiwi safer you're in
good hands news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
They'd be hither back to the French thing. There's an
argument that English is just bad French anyway, Thank you, Graham.
Thirteen away from seven in the Brady UK corresponds with
us Aloinda, Hey, Heather.

Speaker 24 (01:32:11):
I'm reminded. I saw a sign a ran a marathon
in Germany at the weekend and a lady was holding
up a sign and it said pain is just the
French word for bread. Made me laugh.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Hey, who's Kostama going to blame for the text rises?

Speaker 24 (01:32:25):
Well, this is delicious, absolutely delicious. He's pinning it on
Nigel Farage and breaks it, so it's gonna get nasty.
I think in the coming weeks. The budget is due
in November and they reckon there will be somewhere in
the region of about forty billion dollars of a black
hole to fill, and that can only be done with
tax rises.

Speaker 9 (01:32:45):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:32:45):
Starmer said in his manifesto that categorically there would be
no tax rises if he became Prime Minister. Clearly that
has gone out the window because the economic situation here
is so dire. His people are now letting it be known,
and it's in the papers today that if there are
tax rises in this budget, he will blame Brexit, the
mess it has created, the damage to the UK economy,

(01:33:08):
and he will point the finger squarely at Nigel Farage.

Speaker 8 (01:33:11):
So it appears we're going to be in for a bit.

Speaker 24 (01:33:13):
Of a fistfight over Brexit all over again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Do you think they will lend.

Speaker 24 (01:33:19):
With a certain section of the population who have a
brain and can see the economic damage bregsit has done.
I think people will be saying, well, why haven't you
said this twelve to fourteen months ago? You know this,
this is going on so long. I think there are
far too many people out there who in the media
give Farage a very easy ride. And the end result
is if you go and ask people on the street

(01:33:41):
why is the economy doing so badly, they will say, Oh,
it's the migrants, Oh it's the asylum seekers. You know,
there's always someone else to blame. But the figures and
facts speak for themselves. There was a report yesterday that
if Brexit had not happened, the UK economy would by
now be two hundred and forty billion dollars better off.
I mean, it is jaw dropping. And to think that

(01:34:03):
the man who blew off one economic leg is now
heading towards Downing Street with a shotgun in his hand
in four years time, it's quite staggering funny.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Yeah, Okay, Tommy Robinson rickons that Elon Mask is paying
his legal fees.

Speaker 24 (01:34:16):
Why, well, this is a very good question and it's
a very interesting court case that's going on. So Tommy Robinson,
the far right activist, he is on trial in London
under anti counter terrorism legislation. Now it turns out he
was stopped at the Channel Tunnel. That is where you
drive onto a train in England and about twenty six

(01:34:37):
minutes later you pop up the other side in France
and drive off the train and off you go. He
was driving a high value silver Bentley which was not
registered in his name. He had only just bought his
ticket and these apparently were flat red flags for the police.
So the driver of the vehicle was pulled over. They
wind down the window and lo and behold it's Tommy Robinson.

(01:34:58):
So he is told he's being spoken to that this
has raised suspicions with the Border Police. They then search
him and the vehicle and they find twenty six thousand
dollars worth of sterling in cash and about three and
a half thousand enz dollars worth of euro So he's
asked to provide his devices and he refuses to give

(01:35:19):
the officer the pin number for his mobile phone, claiming
that he's a journalist and it has sensitive information.

Speaker 25 (01:35:25):
So that was enough.

Speaker 24 (01:35:26):
Apparently to get him nicked under counter terrorism legislation. So
he's on trial in London. He denies the charge, but
before the trial he has taken to Musk's social media
platform of choice and declared that Musk is paying his
legal bills.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
All very interesting, very interesting in the thanks very much appreciated.
Into Brady UK correspondent. Mean to say, do you know
how I was telling you about the MSD survey earlier?
Got this text through hither my daughter did that survey
at a girls college here in Nelson. Everyone got a
twenty five dollar Prizzy card and a pair of headphone,
which I suppose explains why it costs two point eight

(01:36:03):
million dollars mine away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
It's the Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Heither, I'm another orchardist, totally against the gen technology bills.
So many things could go wrong. Sounds like it six
away from seven listen. Just on the Saudi Rugby rebel
league Nelson A Sofa Solomona has confirmed that he has
been approached by R three sixty. He says he hasn't
made up his mind just yet. He's waiting for more
information to come out on it before he makes his

(01:36:36):
mind up, because, like, let's be honest, there's a real
shortage of information here. But notably, he is a free
agent after the Melbourne Storm released him early from his
contract with him he had a couple of years ago,
but they let him out wiping us a couple of
weeks ago. So anyway, there you go. Nas another one
who could potentially be going over there. Winston, it appears,
doesn't realize this, but Winston, judging by a photograph that's

(01:36:58):
been put up on the insta, went through the the
body scanners at the airport just behind Acacia. You know
who I'm talking about, don't you. Akasha Akasha was on
the show. Akasha is Akasha O'Connor, who was the one
who stood outside Winston's house or probably more accurately slightly
up the road and doxtam and released his his you know,

(01:37:20):
released his his address to everybody so they could all
come down and bang the pots and shouting the loudailers
with her. Anyway, so she she knew who Winston was,
but Winston didn't know who she was. And they went
through the scanners. She went first, and then he went second.
And the little thing says, when uncle fails to realize,
I recognize he's standing beside the legendary woman he unsuccessfully

(01:37:43):
attempted to destroy just last week, should have gone to specsavers. Well,
I didn't see proof that he tried to destroy her,
but I did see proof that she basically destroyed the
thing herself.

Speaker 25 (01:37:52):
Anyway, as we're going to go with violent by Stella
to play us out tonight. So Stella, the Mockers, and
the dudes are all going to go on a tour
over the summer. It's been called the Ready to Roll Tour.
Do you remember that show Ready to Roll? It was
like it was like a chart show that ran on Saturdays.
Like yeah, so this is being built as like a
tribute to that. I don't understand how except these guys

(01:38:12):
all charted back then. But yeah, the shows will be
at Fittiunga, Arrowtown, Havelock, North made Stone and in zib Brewtown,
Waihiki Island, Waymuku, Hamilton and Nelson. The ticket to go
on sale in a couple of days and they're all
over like the end of December to the start of February.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Wasn't it a great time when you could go home
and just sit there and watch music videos?

Speaker 25 (01:38:36):
Absolutely? I miss it so much. I mean you can
still do it on YouTube you know yourself now, which
I still do sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
But they suck now because nobody sits in front of
the telly, So they make crappy music videos, don't they.

Speaker 25 (01:38:47):
Well, and there's not as much money in the music industry,
so the budgets they had for music videos in like
the late nineties, some of the videos they made back then,
you'll just never see again.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Do you think people fall in love with bands in
the way that we did because we just sat there
consuming them?

Speaker 20 (01:39:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:39:00):
Music.

Speaker 25 (01:39:01):
Music is a universal thing across humanity over thousands of years.
I don't think they'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Thought that got deep really quickly. The question there's a
question about youthful lust and then it just became about humanity.
But the music videos as good now, they aren't Rubbishaye.
I went to watch the cold Play on the other
day immediately regretted it. Anyway, You enjoy your evening and
we'll see you tomorrow. News to.

Speaker 25 (01:39:26):
Whoa W.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
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