Full Show Podcast: 15 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spins to find the real story. Egoring.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected news talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Be Hey get afternoon coming up on the show today.
The government has more than has its target of reducing
violent crime. Will talk to the Police Minister about that.
Will also have a chat to the senior doctors about
what this strike plans are just announced. And Casey Costello
on the flash submarines they're going to use to bust
the organized crime. We might throw her a question on pregnant.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
People as well, Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, on that subject. To tay you what I really
hate that we have to have this debate about what
to call pregnant people. And the reason that this debate
has popped up again is because Casey Costello is also
the Associate Health Minister and has now ordered the public,
the health public servants to call pregnant women pregnant women
instead of what they were calling pregnant women, which was
people with a cervix. Now, frankly, good on Casey Costello

(00:59):
for doing this. She's obviously done the right thing, because
I would venture that ninety nine percent of the people
giving birth in this country are women who identify as women. Therefore,
calling them pregnant women is just exactly what you would
call them, right, So the simplest phrase to use is
pregnant women. But I still hate having this debate, even
though I think she's done the right thing. And the
reason I hate having this debate is because it is

(01:19):
so unbelievably frauught and it's incredibly sensitive for trans people
in our country, and like most people, I would think,
I do not want trans people to feel picked on.
But I also hate having this debate because I feel
like it's such an unnecessary thing for us to be
talking about. We shouldn't have to be talking about this.
Any reason we're talking about is is because it's become
fashionable worldwide to try to control the words that other

(01:43):
people use, in this case, try to force other people
to refer to pregnant women as pregnant people to be
more inclusive, or people with a cervix to be more inclusive,
or individuals capable of childbearing, or any number of other
things to be inclusive. You've got offshore exams are very
similar things. Breastfeeding has become referred as started to be

(02:03):
referred to as chest feeding, and so on and so on,
all done with the best of intentions, absolutely, which is
to include transgender men who get pregnant. But trying to
control what other people say is always a mistake because
we don't actually have to police other people's language, right.
I think, for the most part, we can trust other
people to be decent, and particularly professionals. I think we

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can trust professionals like midwives to be decent, and I
have full confidence that the vast majority of them, if
they had a transgender man as a patient, would be
kind to that person and would use the right kind
of language with that person. But clearly there are some
who do not trust them and want to police the language.
And now we have had to have a case of

(02:43):
a minister step in and issue an edict to try
to keep it simple. It feels so unnecessary and it
feels so unbelievably fraught. So frankly, here's a tip to
anyone wanting to instruct other people how to talk. Don't
just trust them. Most people will be decent. And if
we trust people to be decent, we will not need rules.
And if we don't go for the rules, we will

(03:04):
not need to have debates like the debate that we're
having at the moment.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
To get involved. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
Now on something else, a different kind of crackdown altogether.
The government is planning to crack down on dog owners
who tether their dogs up for too long. Now. The
SPCA says this is a significant issue. They get complaints
about this every day, and the new rules will allow
animal welfare inspectors to intervene earlier. There will also be
some protections for pregnant dogs, nursing dogs, and young dogs.

(03:30):
Andrew Hogart is the Associate Agriculture in a stand with
us now. Andrew, Hello, good right. If you guys, if
these officials come across a dog that's been tethered too long,
what kind of punishment could the dog owners face?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
So there is the ability for a five hundred to
fifteen hundred dollars fine if it goes to prosecution. That's
the sort of legal fine. I mean this not so
much for crackdown. It was just there was a gaping
hole in the animal.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Welfare inspector's ability too.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
You know, they could either just offer advice or go
the whole hog and take people to court. This is
about having a middle step in there and hopefully preventing
people going to court and all the rest of the
rigmarole that goes with it.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Strikes me that the kind of people there will be
a proportion of the kind of people who tether up
a dog for too long, who just simply will not
pay a fine. Is that right?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Quite possibly, there's people who don't pay any fines at
all for a whole range of things. But end of
the day, it provides RSPCA and MPI welfare inspectors a step.
So if people aren't willing to pay a fine, they
keep doing it, then that's a clear signal to take
it to the next level for prosecution.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
How long is too long to be tethered?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Well, I mean quite frankly from a personal level.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know, I don't like buying our goldie up for
too long. It's only if she breaks the fence and
just sneak out. But you know what we've got in
these regulations is some sort of outcome based measures.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
So you know, if the dogs wearing a path, if it's.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Got brasions on the neck from the collar, if there's
you know, lots of inability to lie down and sleep
somewhere where it's not in its own feces.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
And urine animal abuse right, clear animal abuse?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, are you planning to do anything about
unregistered dogs.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
That falls outside of my area?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Because that is sort of a mix between THEA and
local government.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
There is an element of.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Welfare in there and something sort of have approached other
ministers about thinking, you know, is there something we could
do in this space. But it is quite a technical
thing because it sort of cuts across so many different
ministries and departments. And also, I mean local counts do
have abilities to manage animals within their districts as well.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Actually left they don't have to wait for government to
do it. They can take actions.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Are they doing it fast enough? Do you do? You
can you point to a single council in this country
you go, yep, they are cracking down on unregistered dogs
and we like it.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I haven't looked into it, and so I wouldn't be
able to say yeah or nay, yeah, yeah, yep.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
I wouldn't be able.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
To comment or disparage any particular council for anything it
may or may not be doing.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Hey, Andrew, while I've got you, because you know, I
get quite I get quite hot under the collar about
this infant formula.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
But now it's coming.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, I'm glad you know what's coming. I'm glad that
you're prepared for this one. Are we doing a U
turn on it?

Speaker 5 (06:44):
No, we're not.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
I will be taking some options to cabinet and we're
too next but I can I can't go into the
details of those. But our position has always been the
same from day dot. Basically ninety nine percent of the standard.
We agreed with all the composition stuff, totally on board
with all of that. It was some labeling that was
going to cause a hell of a lot of economic

(07:07):
loss potential economic loss for our companies in China and
also for those in New Zealand that wanted to know, hey,
this is in the product, that's their choice. So it's
simply those labeling clauses that we want gone. And so
we've always wanted a modified standard that works for New

(07:29):
Zealand that won't change.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I was I was frustrated on your behalf. Maybe I've
been too sympathetic to you, but I was frustrated on
your behalf. When on maternity leave, I was reading all
these stories about your sister lobbying you, and I thought, well,
maybe your sister lobbied you, but only with common sense,
am I right?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well, she didn't actually lobby me because the Dairy Company's
Association with which she's the executive director, they didn't take
a position on the final decision, so there was.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
No lobbying on that.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Anyway, My office did ask Dairy Company Association on technical
point around Cody X, what is X Y and zedning,
and that was the answer we got back. To be honest,
my golden Retriever probably gave me more lobbying over the
dog pethering and much.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Just to do an infant formula.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
Good on.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, I probably gave you more lobbying on the infant
formula myself. Andrew, thank you appreciate it. Andrew Hogart, Associate
Agriculture and So I don't if you've caught up on that,
but go away and read about it. If you're slightly
interested in convoluted theories about how he came to reach
his decision, I'll give you a simpler theory as to
how he's re released his decision. The infant formula rules

(08:35):
are nuts, so they completely gaga no one wants to
sign up to it, so he didn't sign up to him.
It's got to be his sister got got to him
on the blower. Must have been sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's the Heather Dupersy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered my News talk Zebby.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Here the skip the fine, take the dog away. Oh lord,
he's straight into her own welcome home. Hello, Darcy Hither,
Darcy water Grab sports talk host. It's just it's quite
the Hello.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
I'm just wagging my tail.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
How you doing?

Speaker 6 (09:09):
I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Really, you're coming with a lot of energy. Have you
had some like significant life changes or something. I I've
been away.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
No, I've always got this amount of energy, haven't I.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yes, you have thought it might just I thought they
might be. I thought I might have missed out on
something in the last three months.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
No, No, it's all the same. I'm okay, predictable in my unpredictability.
How about that.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
It's good to see.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
I'm still feeling great to have you back again.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I appreciate it's doing good. Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (09:33):
Yeah. Nice. How's Junior?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
She's lovely? You know, she does all the good things, sleeps, eats, poopes,
breathe breathe had still breathing.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's constantly cute. So that's nice. Now we're here to
talk about sports, so tell me about Mark to Leo. Okay,
so when is he actually off to Japan?

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Well, details are scarce at the moment, saying he's put
a social media post up, which is right.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
I just showed you it.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
It's very cool little little cartoons, you know, anime. Yeah,
it is anime, isn't it. It's very modern of you.
You know, him and his blues jumper holding up the
Super Rugby Pacific Trophy, him and his North Harbor top,
him in an all Blacks top as well. It's been
an amazing ride at so many fantastic memories, he writes,
amazing people.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
But after much.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Thought, I've decided from next year I will play my
rugby in Japan. Thanks to fellow players, coaches, administrators and
fans for making the past years so special. It has
been grateful and blessed for the journey. But I'm on
to the next chapter now. Apparently it's ty It of
the Blitz, which is where Steve Hansen is and Ian Foster.
You can't understand maybe why he went there and with

(10:37):
it a three year deal supposed, and it will be
worth a ton. He's twenty eight, which is the traditional
age that all black wingers fall off the cliff.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
They tend to not get any better.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
But he's a really late developer, so he.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
May well be missed.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
But then you look across the landscape and go, well,
there are wingers everywhere. Shake a tree, one will fall out.
Not quite sure what size or speed or whatever it
will be, but be there. So the debate here, and
it's changes for every player.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
Do you keep him this.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Year or do you just go you're not loyal to
us anymore? Off you go, we're going to get someone
else in the fold.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Oh, so use this as as a development year for
somebody else.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Well, I wouldn't say development year because you've got a
World Cup coming out, but you're not.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
An all black.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah to develop right, Yeah, you've got to be a
sharp play.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
But it gives space for someone to come into that
place and go, look, telling us a great plays, wonderful
guy to play, to watch play.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
He's got so much talent about him. But is he
good enough to insist having here even though we're losing
his intellect and ability.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean it feels to me like one thing that
Razor would have to consider is his own his own
record right, which has not been convincing to everybody else.
So he will want to get a fair few wins
under his belt this season. And if that means that
he has to have the best guys on the squad,
including Mark t Lea, he should do that, shouldn't he.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Well, I don't know if you will or not. He's
not a dact been picking Blues players left right and
cender though, has he. There's been a number of Blues
players that have gone, you know, when there's a bit
of a whole somewhere.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
We need someone. Get Shay Hockey. Oh, we get someone.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
I know a guy from Canterbury and he knows these players,
so you get that.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
But it seems to be leaning a wee bit red
and black.

Speaker 7 (12:16):
I don't know if this has got anything to do
with Mark Tlairs this seasion.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
I doubt it does.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
I tried to get him on, but he said no,
not directly to me through us media manager.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
I understanding its particularly like talking to me. It's a
shame because he's a good bugg. It's really good to talk.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
I really enjoy it and then I rang up to it,
so you needn't want a word note.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
No, it was a text.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
Yeah, they call me toward the end of the week,
and what I think it is is that they're quite
stretched around releasing information like this. Notice that when you're
dealing with Japanese rugby clubs, unless it's all official, no
want to say anything about anything until it's all been
t crossed. And I dotted underline xerox and cent to
four hundred people. Then they'll talk about it.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
So yeah, thank you very much for it.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Maybe to talk about it tonight and the show anyway,
because he knows more about the ends and now it's
the possible replacements for that side as well.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Wantly to have you back, mummy.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Dar's a bit weird you calling me mummy the first
time today, is it, Darcy Watergrass. Let's talk hoast back
at seven this evening four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
That'd be hey. By the way, the senior doctors have
announced they're going to go on strike. It's going to
be a twenty four hour strike on the first of May.
Very little detail about it at the moment, but Health
New Zealand reckons possibly as many as four thy three
hundred procedures will have to be canceled as a result
of that, just on that day. So we will get
the details. About ten past five, the senior doctors will
be on and chat to us. I know what you'll

(13:45):
by the way, it's twenty six past four. I know
what you're dying to know about. How did it go
for Katie up in space? Well, Katie went up to Katie,
you know Katie, Katie, you know Katie, Katy Perry, Katie
our mate. She went up to space with you know,
Oprah's best friend Gail and all those other guys, and
they didn't leave there there. Unfortunately, they brought her back

(14:07):
and afterwards, I'm sorry to say, Gail told us she sang,
the worst thing that could possibly happen to you when
you're in space with Katy Perry happened.

Speaker 8 (14:16):
The best part was when we got back in our
seats after zero G's Katie sang, what a wonderful world
she did n she sang, what a wonderful I see
dreams oh, yes, yes, yes, because we've been asking her
to sing all the time and she wouldn't and she wouldn't.
And then because everybody said sing raw, sing fire, and she.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Said, it's not about me.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I wanted to talk about the world. And then Katie
gave us her thoughts on how it was up there.

Speaker 9 (14:42):
I feel super connected to love, so connected to love.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I think this.

Speaker 9 (14:48):
Experience has shown me you never know how much love
is inside of you, like how much love you have
to give, and how loved you are until do you.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Watch When I said Katie gave us her thoughts, I
think I overstated what she There was no thoughts involved,
there was. It was just sort of junk that came
out of her mouth just then. Anyway, Murray holds us
with us out of Australia shortly Headline's next news Talks.

Speaker 10 (15:15):
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news Talks.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Edb, you told me.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
This business about preferring to pregnant women as pregnant women.
The Prime ministers come out in support of asking the
public health officials to actually use the term pregnant women.
I'll get you there very very shortly. We'll talk about
it when we get to politics with Thomas Coglan as
well Darcy. When Darcy was in earlier, I was trying
to just get you a little bit of the feedback
on the dogs, and Darcy justle stole the show as

(16:12):
he always does. So let me just give you a
little bit right, quite a few texts saying that we
just basically need to go harder on these dog owners.
Skip the fine, take the dog away in America, head
that the dogs would be uplifted. The laws in New Zealand.
Apathetic dogs are left to suffer for too long. They
aren't care about the animals. They shouldn't be left to suffer.
I agree with this entirely, and we're going to come
back to this before the end of this program. Also
talk to the huddle about it's a standby for that.

(16:34):
It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's the world wires on news. Dogs they'd be drive now.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Donald Trump says he is going to de exempt the
tech products that he exempted from tariffs over the weekend.
He says he's going to announce specific tariffs now for
computer chips as well as pharmaceuticals. A trade expert says
the president appears to be juggling a few different pirate priorities.

Speaker 11 (16:55):
It's clear that having robust and secure semi conductor supply
is critical to US national security. The ladist exemption, though,
does feel a bit like he's just trying to blunt
the impacts to consumer electronics. So Americans daunt seat their
iPhone prices skyrocket now.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
However, in Australia, both major parties reckon they absolutely can
afford to pay for their election bribes. The coalition's election
promises have been estimated to cost about thirty three billion
New Zealand dollars, and Peter Dutton doesn't seem too concerned
about that.

Speaker 12 (17:26):
We could have an economy wide impact for pension as
a benefit for families, a benefit for UNI students, a
benefit for delivery truck drivers, a benefit for tradees, a
benefit by cutting petrol by twenty five cents. A leader
now that provides support to families who are really doing
it tough underlabor.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
At the moment.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Muriol's on that shortly and finally over in the US,
JD Vance the Vice President has had a bit of
a mayor, hasn't he. The Ohio State University Buckeyes have
visited the White House to celebrate their national college football championship,
and they brought their trophy along with them, and the
Vice President tried to triumphantly lift the trophy aloft, but
things didn't go quite according to plan.

Speaker 13 (18:02):
Vance fumbled the base of the team's championship trophy, which
fell apart into two pieces when he lifted it. Vance,
who graduated from Ohio State, joked on social media after
the ceremony seeing court, I didn't want anyone after Ohio
State to get the trophy, so I decided to break it.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's not actually broken, though, it is designed to come
apart from the base because, as he found out, it's
very heavy to hoist with the base.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Still on international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace
of mind for New Zealand business and with us out.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Of Australia, we've got Murray Olds our Australia Cross one.

Speaker 10 (18:35):
Of know Muz my old Mike. Lovely to have you back.
How you been pretty good?

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I hope very.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well and all the better for having a chat to
you Mars today I'm looking forward to what you've got
to tell me about. Tell me about this drive by
in Sydney. What do we know about this?

Speaker 10 (18:48):
Well, it's a terrible story. Sixty five year old grandmother
at home in her property, rented property, been there about
eight weeks, nine weeks according to police. Also in the
house a thirty four year old man and a twenty
one year old woman. Three people have pulled up in
a dark car about five past eleven last night, Sydney time.
At least one of them's opened fire in the house

(19:10):
and peppert the building. It's a suburban home, for goodness sake,
and the building's been shot up and the woman in
the living room was shot once in the leg and
she's died on the floor of a living room, notwithstanding
the fact ambulance was there pretty quick police as well.
Now police are saying this is a target attack, but
that we still don't know. Police don't know if the

(19:31):
victim was the intended target, or was it the younger woman,
the twenty one year old or the thirty four year
old man. We don't have the relationship between the three
people who resided there. The family was known to police
and basically police now waiting to formally identify the young
couple who were in the home. Whether it's a son

(19:54):
and the daughter were not sure, but they were obviously
very traumatized by what's happened. They're looking now for any
burnt out cars that are, you know, not too far away,
also looking for any CCTV that could help them find
who these absolute swine are too.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Right, Hey, what do you make of this, this track
that's come from the Liberal Party.

Speaker 10 (20:12):
Well, if that's the best that I've got, we're better
off with labor taker. Listen, this is a song called
leaving labor.

Speaker 14 (20:22):
You need the way that it's supposed to be. The
money was spending on groceries. I just want to bust
some eggs and cheese one hundred brush.

Speaker 15 (20:28):
You kidding men?

Speaker 6 (20:29):
It cost too much to live.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
The economy is looking a.

Speaker 14 (20:32):
Mess, man, so we live in check to check. Labor
got is still a self stressed. We need to find
some loose to switch up to people in pas. I
don't want to put the tea mas.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I don't trust you. I've gotta be honest as you.
I mean, you're up since when you are a purveyor
of fine hip hop Answers this any good.

Speaker 16 (20:50):
I'm a skinny white guy. He said that I've lost
my card too.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Okay, no answer doesn't know either, Mas, why do you reckon?
It's not any good?

Speaker 10 (20:58):
I mean, look, what's for a time we had politicians
who had stuff to say to people. This is just nonsense?
Was it created by ai Liberal Party? Says or we're
not going to say it's only it's a professional musician. Really,
the poor bucker won't be doing any eating in the
back of that. That's dreadful. I mean, they've got these
two leaders wandering around like halfwits and high visit Hawaiian shirts,

(21:20):
with the back of flunkies following on behind, speaking into
cameras and microphones, saying the same stuff at different sides
of the country. This is what we're reduced to over here.
Both promising by billions of dollar he heard Peter Dutton.
Who's going to pay for it? I mean it's all
going to be borrowed money to pay for these nonsensical
promises both sides are making. And have a look who's

(21:40):
tanking the last three poles in the twenty four and
the twenty four hours just gone. Peter Dutton is heading south,
as is his personal ratings. I mean, no one's buying
his brand of snake oil and what albaneze. He's saying
he might be a snake as well, but he's saying, listen,
in trouble times, stick with the snake you've got.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Mus I was wondering about this with Peter Dutt and
is this a case of people just Peter dunn't seems
an incredibly unlikable figure. And it's kind of okay if
you just see a little bit of him from time
to time, But if you see as much of him
as you do in an election campaign, you just don't
like what he's selling. Is that what's going on?

Speaker 10 (22:13):
He's a turn off mate. And here's the thing. He's
been in politics since two thousand and one. He entered
Parliament as a very young, very capable young man up
in Queensland popular He now presides over the most narrow
margin in any seed in Queensland. He's the leader of
the Liberal Party. He's been a minister for five different
Prime ministers on the front bench and this is the

(22:35):
best he's got. I think you're one hundred percent right.
The more we see him, the more we dislike him.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, I think so Hey, maz, thank you very much.
You look after yourself. It's good to talk to you,
a mate. That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent, right, Chris Luckson,
So Chris Luxon, Prime Minister has weighed in on whether
it is the right thing to tell the people in
the Health Department to start referring to pregnant women as
pregnant women instead of pregnant people or my personal favorite
people with a cervix.

Speaker 17 (23:00):
Saying, let's use common sense, practical language. Pregnant people are women,
as as simple.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
As that, right, So let's just do that.

Speaker 17 (23:05):
Let's just use clear language and we continue to have
targeted language for different communities within our across the whole
of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Thomas Coglin on that shortly seventeen away from five.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us A Thomas,
I hear that. Listen this business of the government heading
this crime target four years earlier. This is obviously good
news for them. Right, goes without saying.

Speaker 16 (23:30):
Yes, it does go without saying, and I think there's
no political saying or if there isn't It probably should
be that it's never too early to declare victory, which
is what the government is doing here. You'll remember remember
a few a few years ago the Labor government declared
victory on the budget responsibility rules a little bit earlier,
and then they started borrowing again after that declared victory.
So I think the government's sort of taken a nice

(23:52):
surprise here that they've got the crime target at the
target as a twenty twenty nine target. They want to
reduce the number of victims of violent crime by twenty
thousand by twenty twenty nine compared with October twenty twenty
three according to the latest New Zealand Crime and Victims Survey,
which isn't actually out yet. They're releasing the data a
bit early they have had that target, so I think

(24:13):
they're declaring victory now because there's probably a good chance
that the number creeps up again. That Paul Goldsmith, the
Justice Minister, is saying that data is a bit lumpy,
so so you know they'll might go down a bit further,
it might bump up a bit more. So I guess
that the proof, the proof of whether they are successful
as whether they can keep that number down for the
long term or whether it bounces around a bit, but

(24:35):
you can you can certainly see why when it has
gone down as dramatically as it has done, they're declaring
an early victory.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Only trouble with it is we can't be sure how
much of this is actually falling within the coalition's term
versus Labour's term, right, because it covers both.

Speaker 16 (24:51):
Yes, I think, I think that is. I actually don't
have the exact period there.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
But February twenty three to February twenty four and Luxon
becomes Prime minister in descend between.

Speaker 16 (25:00):
Two or there you go. Yeah, so so yeah, you're
you're you're quite right. So so yeah, and once again,
you know, the proof of whether this is successful will
be whether they managed to maintain maintain that that factory.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah brilliant. Okay, Now what do you make of this
business with Chris lux and supporting the term pregnant women?
Is he going to get himself into trouble with some
sensitive members of our community?

Speaker 15 (25:22):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (25:23):
Yeah, well, i'd imagine. So when you do, when you
do go out on the limb on is shoes like this,
you tend to you tend to make yourself a target
for for some criticism. So I imagine he is going
to be a target for criticism. Actually, you know, I
haven't seen any polling on this. It's not a very
it's not a very well polled area. But I would
I would imagine that that the government focus groups and

(25:46):
polls pretty pretty clearly on it, and he's probably probably
with somewhere within the pack of mainstream uteal and political opinion.
It's interesting, you know that the most national well I
shouldn't say most, a large number of NETS were in
favor of the conversion therapy bands. So they're not they're
not they're not totally you know that they're not completely
anti transgender or anti you know, modern gender sort of theory.

(26:11):
I guess, yeah, that there is a large diversity of
opinion within the NETS on that issue. But but you know,
on this particular one, on the on the issue of
of language, the PM and and Casey Costello, who's New
Zealand First Minister, have been pretty clear where they stand.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, Thomas, what are the senior doctors looking for when
they go on strike? What is it they want?

Speaker 16 (26:34):
They so Simmy and Brown, there is there's a bit
of a dispute here they they are looking for, I guess,
some better conditions to pay as everyone as everyone is simmy,
and Brown is actually pushing back on on on on
on the the amount of pushing back on them quite strongly,
saying that their average total remuneration at the moment is

(26:54):
three hundred and forty three thousand dollars. Now that the
doctors are pushing back on that figure cited by Browns
and there's a bit of jiggery pokery and back and
forth on that issue, but it is, I mean, it is.
It is one of those challenging issues. I actually spoke
to Bill English a little while ago on the issue
of gps who are who are quite well paid as well,
and and he made the point that actually, with other

(27:17):
professionalized areas of work where people are paid pretty well,
some areas of the health system are actually poorly, poorly
remunerated when you look at other sort of top level jobs.
And so they're looking across as you know, some of
the top lawyers and accountants or whatever, and and feeling
and feeling a weet bit hard done by. And of
course when you're when you're top salary medical specialist and

(27:38):
you're a new Zealand citizen. Then you've got the opportunity
of hopping on one way, playing to Australia one way,
take it to Australia and increasing your pay that way.
So the governments of the government's pretty pretty torn here
between obviously wanting to keep these people here they know
they can name their price, but also, you know, all
that money has to come from somewhere. The health system
has been increasing its baseline spending like crazy over the

(28:02):
last ten years. There really is limited money to go around,
and a lot of that money, you know, it needs
to go to these salary medical specialists, but it also
needs to go to frontline nurses who are also who
are also angling for pay.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, fair enough, Hey, thank you, Thomas really appreciate it.
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. So the Facebook post
from Samim Brown, the Health Minister. He says it's deeply
disappointing that the Association of Salary Medical Specialists union is
going on strike, and then he runs through as Thomas
was just saying, all of the lovely little treats that
he obviously perceives that the senior doctors get. They also

(28:34):
receive significant remuneration for the key role they play, with
an average total remuneration of three hundred and forty three thousand,
five hundred dollars. Senior doctors received six weeks of annual leave,
fully paid three months sabbaticals every six years, and reimbursement
for medical licenses, college memberships and insurance. They are well
supported and it's important to acknowledge the full package they receive.
That union is going to be with us ten PUS five.

(28:56):
We'll have a chat about that. It's nine away from five.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Putting the tip questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (29:03):
The government wants a word with you on the new
Sex Said guidelines for schools.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
The Education Minister Erica Stanford's.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Back for this.

Speaker 19 (29:08):
We don't have all the answers. Nobody does. But what
we've had in the past is a vague curriculum that
leaves it up to schools who have to go out
every two years by law and consult with their communities
about what to teach.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
And when this does take any of the aks out.

Speaker 19 (29:21):
Of it, well, I think there will still be anks,
of course, but direct that aks at me, do not
direct it at your schools. I'd rather that I take
the heat on us than they have to do that.
We want to have this curriculum that tells parents exactly
what will be taught, the words that will be used,
so they can make an informed choice about what their child.

Speaker 18 (29:37):
Six am the mic Hosking breakfast with the rain driver
of the Lahn used talk.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Zeb beat hither.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I'm a senior medical officer and Sime and Brown forgot
to mention that we also get ten days of CME
every year, travel days to international conferences which is often
another week a year, and a day of long service
leave every year. Senior medical officers who are in full
time actually only spend forty weeks of the year and
working of that time, thirty percent of it as non
clinical time. Just thought you should know god thing you
didn't sign off with your name there, mate, Otherwise all

(30:04):
your colleagues would be calling up to tell you off
because you've just made Simmy and Brown's case for him. Anyway,
we'll talk to the union when they're with us shortly.
Those figures the crime figures that Mark Mitchell's talking about here.
So the problem here is absolutely why, as Thomas Coglan
was just saying before, why waste an opportunity. Why miss
an opportunity to crow about your successes and trouble of

(30:26):
courses that the figures cover February twenty three to February
twenty four, and this government only takes over in December
twenty three, so there's a longer stretch under Labor than
there is under National. But anyway, Mark Mitchall's going to
be with us very shortly and we'll see if he
can explain that for us, Heather, why do we care
if people are upset that the prime minister's saying pregnant women?

(30:46):
You don't see many pregnant men walking around. This is
just ridiculous. It's ridiculous that we're even debating it. Why
we're asking about that is because everything in politics is
about politics, isn't it. I mean, he might you'd be
naive if you think that everything had come out of
Christopher Luxen's mouth is something that he truly believes. There
will be an aspect of what he's saying which is
designed simply to get votes and not to deter votes.

(31:09):
And given that Christopher Luxeen has not done a lot
of things that I would consider to be brave, I'm
quite surprised that he's gone out on a limb on
this particular one, because there'll be a whole bunch of
people on the left of politics will get very very
upset about this, just on behalf of the trans community.
So anyway, well as I say, Casey Costello's with us
after half pastwa have a chat to hear about that,

(31:29):
I'm going to have to talk at some stage about
something that's very cool that's come from the Reserve Bank,
which is a GDP tracker which they've popped up on
their website and attracts GDP almost in real time. Now.
It's interesting because if you've been following any of the
debates around the performance of the Reserve Bank, you'll know
by now there's been a lot of criticism of the
Reserve Bank being unable to, i don't know, get things right,

(31:52):
keep its finger on the pulse. And and part of
the reason why it's perceived that they get things wrong
is because the data isn't coming through far enough. They
just don't get enough regular data. Well now they're showing
us their real time data and it's fascinated. So you
can go on the website go look at this thing
called Kiwi GDP, which uses a broad range of economic indicators.
As these indicators are being released, it's things like manufacturing

(32:13):
data and labor data, and tourism data, housing and construction
blah blah blah, you name it, it's on there. And
they pump that all into their little computer system and
out pops what they consider the GDP number at the
moment to be in this particular quarter. And they updated
every Friday, and this past Friday at updated current GDP
projected GDP between December and March quarters to be zero

(32:34):
point eight percent. Anyway, brad Olsen think we were like,
how is this going to work? Thank God we've got
Brad Olsen on the show after six o'clock. He'll be
able to talk us through that hopefully and give us
a view as to how accurate it is, because you
just know there's a whole bunch of nerds up and
down this country who are going to go there every
Friday now and be Friday little alert on their phone
game look at the GDP and probably there are heaps
of them in this team. To be honest, here's two ZV.

Speaker 14 (32:56):
Two name maybe we can codes get up Buffy she said,
is life.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Forever, And so you're to get there. Then let's lead.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
We can dance.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
We can dance on nine, digging through the spins, spence
to find the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Sory, it's Heather Duplicy on.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.
That'd be.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
While the government has already had its target of reducing
victims of violent crime, it wanted that number to drop
by twenty thousand people. It's now dropped by twenty eight
thousand people. And it wanted to drop the number by
twenty twenty nine, twenty twenty nine. It's already there. Mark
Mitchell is the Police Minister and with us now, how much, Hi, Heather,
what do you reckon cause the number to drop off
so in such a big way?

Speaker 15 (33:48):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (33:48):
I just think that obviously, as the incoming government, we
had a big focus on public safety, which meant that
we stopped releasing people from prison. The previous government had
a target of around twenty percent, which they achieved. At
the same time we had an over thirty percent increase
in violent crime. We've gone the other way. Plus you've
had obviously some very good legislation come through, a gang legislation.
But fundamentally I think that For me, I'm very proud

(34:12):
of the work that both the police and corrections have
done as my agencies, but this is a whole of
society response. Local government have been really good to work with.
You've got cpn Z, you've got our Mary Wardens, you've
got community groups that are all sort of working.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Together to tackle the problem.

Speaker 20 (34:28):
The police can't do it on their own, and although
we've got a long way to go, this is a
really good early start.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
How much of this, though, can you actually claim credit
for given that some of this falls, in fact, most
of us falls within Labour's period.

Speaker 20 (34:41):
Well, yeah, it's funny you say that. When the first
survey came out three months into government and there'd been
a massive increase, we were blamed for that, and now
sixteen months in when we see a decrease Labored some
people are trying to give Labor the credit. I completely
reject that. We've seen We've definitely seen the numb and
the police numbers starting to reduce. We've got a very

(35:03):
different approach around public safety. We're putting victims first, and
I think we're starting to see the results.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
That I noticed. Though there's a warning there that these
numbers are going to be volatile, which feels a little
bit like you guys are hedging your bets and possibly
preparing for it to go up again. Is that right?

Speaker 20 (35:19):
Well, that's the nature of this, is it for as
long as people have been committing crime, is that you'll
get peaks and troths. What we want to what we're
aiming for is as a long term trend downwards and
that's what we've focused on and that's what we want
to deliver for the country.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Good stuff, keep it up, Thank you very much, Mark Mitchell,
the Police Minister.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Heather due for sy Alan senior doctors.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Have an answer that they're going to go on strike
on the first of May for a full day, twenty
four hours. It means around three hundred planned procedures and
first specialist assessments and up to four three hundred radiology
procedures will have to be canceled now. Sarah Dalton is
the executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. Say,
Sarah Calder, Heather, doing very well, Thank you. What is

(36:01):
it that you guys are after.

Speaker 21 (36:03):
Well, we've put in a claim for twelve percent. One
of the reasons for that is that the RMOS some
people call them junior doctors received quite good pay settlements
last year. That has means that some of those junior
doctors when they become a specialist, take a pay cut.
So it's really about trying to maintain relativities between SMOs
and RMOS.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Is that twelve percent on top of the average salary,
which is what three hundred and forty three thousand dollars?

Speaker 21 (36:28):
Oh my god. If our members were earning on average
three hundred and forty thousand dollars, there would be no
strike and if that is an offer from the minister,
we would love to accept it. That is a made
up number.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Unfortunately, it made up because because a twelve percent pay
increase on top of that is forty thousand dollars.

Speaker 19 (36:43):
It's quite a lot.

Speaker 21 (36:44):
Yeah, but our members aren't earning on average three hundred
and forty thousand dollars. Now, we wouldn't need a twelve
percent pay increase. Is that that that was actual average
way incomes?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
What's realistic?

Speaker 21 (36:56):
I'll probably close it to two hundred and forty thousand,
which still sounds like a lot, right, Yeah, But we
have to think about what senior doctors actually do because it's.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Still a pay increase of what it would be around
about thirty thousand bucks, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (37:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (37:09):
Yeah, it's a serious increase that our members are looking
for a serious work that we do and we don't
have enough doctors here.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah. Samon Brown has gone public with not only the
average salary, but also six weeks of annual leaf fully paid,
three months ofbbaticals every six years, reimbursement for medical licenses,
college memberships and insurance and so on. I guess kind
of trying to win the public relations battle there. Do
you think you're up against it?

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (37:34):
He's also put in his document about the Direction for
the Health System put out at the beginning of March,
that New Zealand nurses earn almost the same amount as
nurses in New South Wales. If there was a case
for doctors again, we wouldn't have this problem. There is
a massive pay gap between New Zealand and Australia and
we are losing doctors to that country.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Sarah, thanks very much for talking to us at Sarah Dulton,
the executive director of the Association of SOUD Medical Specialists.
It's eleven past.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Five, Heather Doopers the al look.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
I think we can all agree that this business with
the Trump tariffs is quite an unnecessary kerfuffle. But if
we're looking for some silver lining, we may have found
a tiny, tiny, tiny sliver of silver lining here. It
is now predicted that if this does carry on the
way that it is, it's going to drop inflation in
New Zealand. Now that is probably counter to what you're expecting,
because obviously tariffs put up prices. Higher prices lead to

(38:30):
higher inflation, you would think. But what the Reserve Bank
has gone public and said today is that actually, because
the higher prices because of the tariffs slowing down global
growth and of course domestic growth, what that will do
is drop inflation. And they tend to favor the idea
that it drops inflation rather than raises inflation. And therefore,
if you're looking for some more silver lining there, lower
inflation means lower interest rates in the long run. It's

(38:53):
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Speaker 1 (40:08):
NZ Heather Dupless the Allen.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, Unfortunately, it looks like Simeon Brown is going to
win the pr battle against the doctors just judging by
the text coming in just an example. OMG, Heather, who
do these doctors think? They are totally out of touch
with what most people could ever hope to earn? Another one, Heather,
Great to see you back. Just want to comment on
the senior doctors and their desire to get additional money
out of a failing and very poor health system. I
totally rejected. I've got terminal cancer. I'm paying one hundred

(40:31):
and thirty thousand dollars to get the cancer treatment. So
you can see how this is going to go. Seventeen
past five. Now, if you're looking for a promotion, you
should probably stop working from home. A survey has been
done by this recruitment company, Robert Half. They've survey Kiwi
employees and found fifty eight percent of us reckon there's
a correlation between being in the office and then getting
a promotion. Meghan Alexander from Robert Half is with us

(40:54):
a Meghan, hi, head, how are you? And very well?
Thank you? Are they right? Do you have to turn
up to get the job?

Speaker 22 (41:00):
Well, there's definitely a perception of that, and so I
guess is that out of sight, out of mind mentality.
Now you can agree or disagree, but I guess a
lot of the feedback that comes back from the employer
side is that you can do tasks at home, but
you can't add to the culture of an organization. You

(41:20):
can't necessarily collaborate and build relationships, and those are key
parts to getting promotions.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Is it that or is it actually that it just
looks lazy as well.

Speaker 22 (41:30):
Look, I think some people can absolutely do their job
from home. I think it does come down to job dependent.
You know what your tasks are. But if you're looking
for career and climbing the ladder, you know, relationship building
is pretty critical and that's pretty hard when you're sitting
at home not talking to anybody.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
This is what I think is bizarre. Okay, fifty four
percent of the people you Guys surveyed said they would
come into the office more if they were told by
their bosses that being in the office would lead to
a promotion. I mean, surely you should just read the room.
You don't need to be told.

Speaker 22 (42:07):
Well, and look, employers are telling staff that they need
to get back to offices. Oh you know, there's been
a very clear and distinct change in the last eighteen months,
and so employers are really demanding this and making people
come back. So you know, and we did a comparable
survey in Australia and interestingly enough, seventy four percent of

(42:30):
Australian employers believe the same thing, that there is a
correlation between promotion and being in the office. So you know,
if both parties are saying this, you would think common
sense would prevail.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
And yet we never cease to amaze and it doesn't prevail. Oh,
thank you, Meghan, I really appreciate a Megan Alexander Robert
Harp listen. Is as simple as do I need to
explain this to you. It's as simple as this. If
you can't be fact getting out of your dressing gown Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday, you're not going to get a promotion,
are you? Nineteen past five?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It's Heather Duplasy Ellen drive with one new Zealand, let's
get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
They'd be Yeah, Heather, great to hear you're back, but
you were foaming sitting on the bench during Trump's tariff
own goal. Welcome back, Thank you, Glenn Lord above. I'll
tell you what, if there's one thing you need to
know about me, is that I have somebody in the
house who's got Trump arrangement syndrome. So I can't talk
about it. It's like a no go zone. We can't
talk about Trump at all. So when it was happening,
we just kind of pretended it didn't happen. Otherwise it's

(43:33):
just gonna have a very angry human being in the house.
So I was everything I was feeling I was feeling
internally by myself five point twenty two. Listen to tell
you what I am off of you, that it is
time for authorities to start cracking down real hard, like
really hard on bad dog owners. When I was on
maternity leave, apart from trying to ignore Donald Trump, I
was trying very hard not to read too much news

(43:55):
because I was just trying to get away from work
a little bit. But there was one story that I
saw pop up on the Herald a newser that I
actually had to click on, and I did, and that
was the news report about that cutty cutty dog attack
about three weeks ago where the three dogs killed the
four year old boy and all three of those dogs
were unregistered. Now, I clicked on that news report because frankly,

(44:15):
dog moulings freak me out at the moment in a
way that they never have because it's too close to home.
Because I'm constantly trying to keep my three year old
boy away from dogs that look like they're grumpy, including
this morning at our local park, because they're everywhere.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't know if you've noticed. I've certainly noticed, because
I've started to see a pattern here that we've had
a space of moulings in the last couple of years,
and we very clearly have a massive dog issue on
our hands, not only dogs that are mouling, but dogs
that are roaming, dogs that are unregistered. It just feels
like it's kind of exploded a wee bit, and I
am not seeing a corresponding urgency from authorities to deal

(44:50):
with this particular issue.

Speaker 15 (44:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Absolutely, we've had the announcement today that the government's going
to crack down on owners that tether their dogs too long.
But I still feel like it's a bit we're wet bustikety,
isn't it. What's the punishment for them if they tether
their dogs too long? Oh a fine, just a fine.
And at what level do they get cracked down on? Well?
Quite clear, dog abuse is what it takes to get

(45:12):
a cracked down, you know. It is like the worst
extremes of what you would see with dogs. That copper fine.
I don't think that's good enough. And sure you know
at the local government levy you've got councils like Auckland
Council currently having a crackdown on the unregistered dog owners
and warning them that they are on their absolute last
legs and they've got to register their dogs. But the

(45:33):
punishment for failing to do so after repeated warnings remains
pretty lame. It's a fine or it's going to court.
They get to keep the dog. I would not be
that lenient if I was in charge of the situation.
I would just be turning up and saying, yeah, twenty
eight days to register your dog. You didn't register your dog?
Dogs coming with me and I put the dog down,
simple as that. Because as the Council says there is
a link between unregistered dogs and dogs that end up roaming,

(45:56):
roaming and dogs that attack people. And I think we
are well past the point where we need to get
tough on these dogs. Sure the dog owner is not
going to be stoked about it. They're not gonna be
happy they've got a dead dog. But that's a better
out come, I would say, than having a dead kid.
Don't you think my patients with these dogs ran out
a long time ago, and these owners in particular, and
I for one, want to see a hard crackdown coming
because frankly, I don't know how many more incidents like

(46:18):
the one in Katti Cutti we have to have before
we start taking this problem with our dogs seriously together?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Casey Costello is going to be with us after the headline,
So let's sayd about ten minutes time have a chat.
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in Devenport today. They're gonna send them out and they're
gonna they're gonna go patrol our oceans and keep an
eye out for the bad guys who are dumping bags
of pea in the ocean to be intercepted by the
other bad guys and all that kind of stuff, And

(46:48):
we're going to talk to her about that because that's
pretty cool, but also want to talk to her about
this business with the pregnant women and people with the
cervix and all this kind of stuff, as much as
getting involved in this cultural wal stuff gives me the
absolute ick, like I think it does most people, because
we're just constantly going, I don't want to upset anybody here.
This is kind of significant stuff that probably needs to
be dealt with in a kind of nice way. So

(47:08):
we'll have a chat to her about that. Can I
just say, I haven't do not ruin it for me.
I haven't finished White Lotus because I've been very busy parenting.
So I've got about half an hour ago. So if
you text me now and tell me who dies, you're
gonna die, because I'm gonna send that curse your way
because I'm nearly there, but I just can't get there anyway.
So because i've been watching The White Lotus, I have

(47:30):
been enjoying very much. Amy leu Wood, what a revelation
is this chick, you know, you know, the one with
the teeth. That's who I'm talking you know, you know,
she owns those teeth. She loves those teeth. She's like,
look I've got gap teeth, look at me. It's cool.
And because of that, you just love her even more.
But Saturday Night Live did a skit where they took
the mickey out of her teeth, and she watched it

(47:53):
and she she didn't enjoy it. Right, So what it was,
and I'm going to play a little bit. You can
kind of ever listen to it, But basically what they
did is they did the white lotus setting and put
a whole bunch of characters that looked like Donald Trump's
team in a circle there, and they started taking the
mickey out of it. And in this particular scene, RFK
is sitting there talking about fluoride and he's talking to
her and then she turns around and you see her teeth.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Wait what we took all the floor right out of
the drinking water. But the woman that do the people's teeth,
all right, what.

Speaker 18 (48:23):
Oh, look you go kill it and eat it?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
No, not the fulcare. So she's taken to Instagram and
she said it was mean and unfunny and look to
be honest, maybe she's being a wee bit on the
thin skin side, right, because if you've got prominent teeth
like that, people are gonna take the mickey out of
her teeth. But but if she feels like it was
mean and unfunny, then good on her for saying it,
and I just I'll cut her a lot of slack
because I really like her. But also, can I just say,

(48:50):
just use this as an opportunity to say good on
her for calling out Saturday Night Live, because it's not
just that skit that was mean and unfunny? Is it
just me? Or is most of all Saturday Night Live
does just unfunny? Like I don't know the last time
I watched one of their skits and thought, well, that's banger,
that's hilarious. So anyway, winner is Amy Lou because she's
cool and loser is Saturday Night Live. News Talk said be.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather First.
It's Heather Duplessy Ellen drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected, and news Talk said b.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Heather, my daughter was attacked by two dogs who lived
next door. Bitten in the leg and the BUM and
the animal control people said they needed to escalate further
before they can take serious action. We're gonna talk to
Huddle about that shortly. I've got Stuart Nation and full
O'Riley in and also I need to tell you what's
going on with the three G right now. It's twenty
four away from six first though, we had two brand
new sub unmanned submarines launched in Devenport today. The new

(49:53):
ships are named Tahi and Rua, and they're going to
be used to intercept Class A drugs before the drugs
get into the country. Now, Casey Costalo, the Customs minister. Hey, Casey,
hi here, how are you very well? Thank you? So
these subs are they just surveillance subs? Are they?

Speaker 23 (50:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (50:07):
So they're uncrewed vessels, so they have solar powered, they're
wind powered. Say, I think the maximum they've been out
to sea without any staff at one hundred days. So
there can do long distances for long periods of time
doing surveillance. So they're fantastic.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And then what happens What if they see something dodgy
going on out there? What do we do?

Speaker 24 (50:25):
So they're all linked up through cameras and data, so
they're always monitored. They're effectively at crew back at their
control command post, which monitor all their activity and send
information back real time. So yeah, we're really really excited
because they can reach a lot further and a lot
less risk to people and a lot cheaper to run.
So they're fantastic.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
And so what happens is, let's say they see somebody
dumping gigantic bag of pea in the ocean to be
picked up, photos come back. Do we then send out
a boat to go pick it up.

Speaker 24 (50:55):
Yeah, So it's a part of a response. It's about
intel networks, it's about monitoring the oceans, about early warning
of vessels that maybe haven't reported in a whole lot
of monitoring and data intelligence that they gather as well
around activity. And you know, we have the eleventh largest
maritime border in the world, so you know we need

(51:16):
to do a lot smarter and a lot better about
how we cover those distances.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Well, it's going to ask you, I mean, if we've
got we've got this massive area that we've got a
patrols two, enough do we need.

Speaker 24 (51:26):
Well, this is this has been part of a trial.
So seven months ago we were trialing this to see
what we could do. And now where we've got these
first tours of MoU between Defense and customs and it's
just one of another tool and toolbox kind of thing.
So it will be allowing us to stretch out towards
spec if they can do a lot more support and yeah,
so it's just you know, we're building up capability and

(51:50):
this is part of the Defense Capability Plan that Minister
Collins has put out. We'll just keep growing out our
capacity and working with Customs and Defense. This is a
part of what we've been talking about as our agency
work in cooperatively.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Casey, listen on this business of ordering the health New
Zealand guys to start saying pregnant women instead of pregnant people.
How's that gone down with them?

Speaker 24 (52:13):
Well, this is where it's sort of training. So surprised
that was such a novel response because I mean, actually
there's been no pushback. It's just about the fact that
we have a woman's health strategy. I'm the Minister in
charge of women's health. So to suggest that we're just
talking about women when we're dealing with women's specific issues

(52:33):
seemed logical and practical option to do. So yeah, I'm
not sure why there's this adverse reaction was I.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Mean, because I'm just trying to get a handle on
exactly what was going on in health New Zealand. It
didn't seem like it was it was a hard and
fast policy there to use phrases like pregnant people or
people with a cervix, right, it felt like they were
kind of using it interchangeably with pregnant women, Is that right?

Speaker 24 (52:56):
Well, yeah, this was the part you know that really
it just came down to, well, when we're talking about
specific issues, you know, cervice, you know, cvical cancers, things
like this, we need to be recognizing that these are
very significant women's health issues and if there's anything we
can do to better connect with women, and we know

(53:19):
statistically with Marty, Pacifica, other ethnic communities, we are seeing
them connecting with health services later and pregnancies we're not
seeing them connect with you know, those regular checks and
things that we need to do that are very specific
women's health issues. So we need to be clear about
we are targeting women and we want women to reach

(53:39):
out and connect as much as possible with health services,
and if there's other demographics that we need to connect
with better. Then let's work about specific programs with us.
But you know we have a women's health strategy and
that is targeting women and that's what I want to
focus on.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Casey, thanks very much for you time. Appreciate It's Casey Costello,
the Customers Minister, twenty away from Sex.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
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Speaker 3 (54:06):
Hud all with us this evening for Low Riley and
Stuart Nash lads.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Hello, Hew are you going?

Speaker 25 (54:10):
Welcome back?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
He thank you, Phil, thank you Stewart you there, welcome
back here.

Speaker 18 (54:14):
That were you a pregnant person?

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I was a pregnant Did you enjoy doing a pregnant person?
I was a person with the service? I was a
person with the service. I proved that obviously, So that's good.
I think it's wonderful that we've got two lads talking
about women's issues today, just to really fire up the lobsters. Yeah,
I feel what anything?

Speaker 5 (54:31):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Do you think Casey's done the right thing here directing
Health New Zealand to use the term pregnant women.

Speaker 25 (54:36):
That she is absolutely right to do so. And in fact,
I spoke to a very liberal female colleague of Mind
the Staffternoon, knowing there was going to be two blokes
on the show, and said, what do you make of this?
And she absolutely agreed with what Casey Costello was doing
for the same reason. And it is that that you
can take these things too far. I mean, I'm all
for inclusion. It's a very important thing, and you know,
I'm a champion of all of that, but if you

(54:57):
take it too far, you get a reaction and it
turned against itself. And I agree with Caer. I think
Karen Sure from Act this afternoon, by doing the sort
of thing, you're actually canceling women. You're you're you're actually
ignoring women, and I think that's absolutely right. So I'm
all for inclusion. I think it's an important thing, but
in this case, I think case yourself is absolutely right.
It's about women. We should be focusing there because they

(55:18):
hopefully will turn up feeling included in the health system.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah, what do you reckonsume?

Speaker 10 (55:23):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (55:23):
Look, I celebrate people's different sexuality. If you're straight, bisexual, gray, trans, fantastic,
go hard and live your best life. But in my
very simple world, Heather. If you've got a penis, you're
a man. If you've got a vagina, you're a woman.
I mean, is that terribly Is that terribly difficult to
get hit around?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
When you said that, I am, for the first time
utterly convinced that you're going to run for New Zealand. First,
you're in the Labour Party, would you well I probably
would have.

Speaker 18 (55:49):
And it's one no longer there.

Speaker 15 (55:51):
See.

Speaker 18 (55:51):
The thing is is that I think ninety six ninety
six point five percent of New Zealanders agree with that. Now,
there's always a small friend's day, the MS, et cetera.
And like I said, I celebrate people six quality. Those
battles have been fought, and one a long long time ago.
You know, we had a gay deputy prime minister for
three years. He did a fantastic job. No one cared
about his sexuality. They cared about his character and his competency.

(56:11):
But but you know, pregnant THEMS, I don't quite get that.
It just doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
I'm still gone. Then, yeah, are you going to run
for New Zealand?

Speaker 18 (56:18):
First, I'm not denying anything. I mean, I've got him
an immense amount of protect for Winston and isn't he
doing a great job in America? We are very lucky.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
We are very lucky.

Speaker 18 (56:26):
We have the best politician in this country, the most
seasoned politician in America, representing us in these most troubled times.

Speaker 25 (56:32):
I mean Willmington, central mate and old vocal Phil.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Was that a confirmation or what?

Speaker 10 (56:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Totally?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
But do you know what, Stu? Because I sent you
a text about it when I read it in the papers.
I know you didn't text me back rude, But as
I said in the text, you're too good at politics
to be out at the such a young age, So
we'd be lucky to have you back, I think, don't
you think?

Speaker 18 (56:54):
Oh, that's a very close thing to say. If I'm
enjoying having a beer with mates and not having to
worry about some clam with a camera taking a photo
and putting up on some you'll worry about it in
a minute.

Speaker 15 (57:01):
Though.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Hey, A and Sell, you're a dog owner. Do you
think your dogs, the kind of dogs that you love,
the sausage dogs, are not really much of a threat
to us, So I expect that you would. You'll agree
with me that we're not doing enough to crack down
on the bad dog owners.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yet I would I.

Speaker 25 (57:16):
Agree, but I looked at that. I looked at the
background of that story. Actually, so this what's been announced
by Andrew Hogart is penalties for those who don't look
after the dogs, you know, excessive tying them up and
not cleaning up after them. And it's one of the
saddest and most tragic things I see as a dog lover,
and many people out there like me. You'll see me
walking down town Hey Street and my little dashed in
the morning. So I get really upset about that. It

(57:36):
hits me in the heart when I need dogs being
abused by that that's a different thing to dogs abusing
other humans. Because I checked that this afternoon, and as
she has already quite a lot of penalties available on
those matters. If your dog bites someone else, your dog
bite someone else, you are liable, You can be fined,
your dog can be taken away from me un destroyed.
So already in those circumstances there's already quite a few

(57:58):
penalties and so on. It So this issue it's missing
of when I abuse a dog, and I think that's
I think Andrew howg has done exactly the right I
think you should we strengthen up the other ones? Maybe,
but I you know, I don't see those as being
the major issues.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (58:10):
I think dog owners will agree. The major issue is,
you know, dogs themselves being abused by by loser owners.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I'm going to come back to you on that. You
just hold you hold your thoughts and they will get it.
After the break, it's call to two.

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Speaker 3 (58:29):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Ste, What do you think?
Ste Nash Phillo Riley? What do you think about the
dog's issue?

Speaker 18 (58:34):
Ste couldn't agree more with Phil. You know, we've got
a fox red lab. He's a He's a boisterous fellow,
sleeps at the base of the beachit when I'm there.
I agree with you, you know who would treat dogs badly?
I mean just something that the vast majority of key
Wes and all your listeners I think agree with. I
think how goes down the right thing. Phil and I
on the on the same page in this one.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I guess the problem that I have with it, Phil,
as I don't think that they're going hard enough on
all of these issues with dogs. Right, if you've got
a dog that has been tethered up to a ken
all for so long that they have abrasions on their
neck and that they've worn the ground down and they're
sitting in their own poop, then I don't think a
fine is sufficient. I think you take that dog away.
That's quite significant abuse.

Speaker 25 (59:11):
Well, I think that's right. I mean, as a dog lover,
and there's the same If she's right, there's plenty of
people on listening to this, so he'll be dog lovers.
I'd put them in jail. But I mean, at the
end of the day, I think that's you've got to
be a bit proportionate about this, because we don't put
people in jail except for very re sale.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Take the dog and put the dog down. I mean,
if you're leaving your dog in that state, you don't
deserve a dog.

Speaker 25 (59:31):
I quite quite agree with that. You definitely take the
person and you'd also ban them from owning a dog
for for a long time, although it's also quite difficult
to kind of enforce. But I think I definitely agree
with that that that should be quite a serious matter.
If you abuse not just a dog, but an animal
more generally, because you know, as Stuart says, that we
don't deserve dogs, and they're faithful, faithful companions and they're

(59:54):
basically defenseless, so we should.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Not dople them.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, fair enough, Now, Stu, do you think that the
government can claim the credit for the crime step win today?

Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:00:02):
Well, they claim credit when the stets are good, and
they keep quiet when the stets are they're still talking
about well over one hundred and fifty thousand victims of
crime here, so there's still a lot of work to do.
I mean, thank goodness, the last government when I was
Minister of Police, put eighteen hundred more officers on the beat.
They're struggling to fund the current ones they want to
put in place. But look, I've had a immense amount
of respect for the men and woman and blue out
there keeping our community safe. Any thought of defunding the

(01:00:25):
police is an anephema to me. Go hard and congratulations
to the to the young police service and the wonderful
job they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, Phil, I mean Stew's right, right, it's politics. Are
you going to claim the win for it? If you
if you have an opportunity, that's course.

Speaker 25 (01:00:38):
It's a bit like inflation when it's gone down. The
government his ey, it's great. I saw a couple of
bobbies on the beat, so that I was up by
Sky's City and there's a couple of bobies on the beer.
I literally felt like walking up from saying thank you.
I feel safer that you're here, because you know around
that area around sky City and that walk from city
can be a bit egy from time. Yeah. Yeah, so
she felt like I felt like she's given them but

(01:01:01):
wouldn't give a pad on the sholder because they might
arrest me. But you know, to talk to them to say, actually,
as a citizen, can I just say how much I
appreciate you being on the beat and that that makes
me feel better and I know what will make other
people feel better as well. Of course that with these
with these kind of the challenge with the government owning
those numbers is they'll bounce around, and of course it
gives an opportunity for the opposition to say.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
Look at that.

Speaker 25 (01:01:21):
Bouncers up, Oh, look at that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
You've got that wrong.

Speaker 14 (01:01:23):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:01:23):
That's so it's a risky political strategy, but I can
understand they want to own the good news, particularly when
Tamoth has been raving on about decounting the police Lord
Tamitha Stu.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Now, listen, you're you're in recruitment and you this is
your wheelhouse, right is it just me? Doesn't seem obvious
that you are more likely to get a promotion if
you're in the office and not at home and you're
dressing gown.

Speaker 18 (01:01:42):
It kind of seems obvious. Keep in mind though, that
these figures are those involved in finance and it and
so yeah, if you if you are involved in those years,
you kind of do have to be in the office
to you know, to answer the tricky questions of the
of the big cheeses. But but you are right, I'm
a little old fashioned in this. I mean I struggle,
for pet for the concept of working from home more
than sort of one day a week, because I just

(01:02:03):
don't think people are as productive. Some are desperately I suppose.
But but be back in the office that it's you know,
there's human socialization and the exchange of ideas around the
around the water cooler, I think is a really valuable
part of being a high performing team.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Totally, phil you just if you're not, if you can't
put your clothes on and catch the bus and come
to work. You're just lazy, aren't you.

Speaker 26 (01:02:26):
Well.

Speaker 25 (01:02:26):
I see a lot a lot of young people come
to me for career advice for reasons that escape me,
but they do anyway. And one of the things I
say to them is turn up, turn up at the office,
be there before your boss, and be there under. Now
that may sound old fashioned, but actually it's not, because
the boss is going to look around one day and
it's going to say I need someone to do this
interesting project, or I've got or I've got a question
I've got to ask, or I've got a task we've

(01:02:47):
got to give. And I look around and I see
Dave or Mary sitting there and I say, great, why
don't you do that? And you get an opportunity to shine.
So it's not about being old fashioned. It's about being
in the right place at the right time and actually
having the capacity to shine when the opportunity presents itself.
Because that's actually how, particularly he's a young person, you
get ahead. I think there's less of an issue for
middle aged and order people, very job dependent to Stewart's point,

(01:03:09):
and also a bit of flexibility is appreciated, but the
young people are turning up and being there for that
very reason is really important. That's the advice I give
to all young people who ask.

Speaker 18 (01:03:18):
Heav a shave erown your shirt, make sure you look
smart and do the job right.

Speaker 25 (01:03:22):
Yeah yeah, rockets and be up for a big opportunity
for the rises. And that's about being there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Jeez, that was such good advice for I can see
why the young ones come to you guys. Thank you
very much. Yeah, it's not that bad at all. Billow Riley,
I'm you partners and Stewart Nash, former Labor Party minister
and New Zealand first candidates and waiting, isn't he Eight
away from six It's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
The Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my
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Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It's five away from six. Heather read the story of
a lady at Hakaru who got molled a few weeks
ago by the problem dogs her nigh, but also got
attacked when he went to help with Steve. I actually
have read that she was painting her house or something
like that. Wasn't she She was busy to doing some
reno's or something and the dogs broke through the fence
and came for her. I mean, like, I don't know
how many more stories we have to read about the

(01:04:11):
stuff before we actually start taking this stuff seriously. It's
pretty freaky these dogs. And as somebody said, the thing
that annoys me the most when you ask a dog
owner to put their dog in a lead is that
they say it's all right, that friendly. I don't know
how many times I'll tell you what, I've noticed this
quite a bit where you go, oh, that dog looks
at that dog looks a bit grouchy and agrow in
the ander, go that's fine. They love childrin They love Childrinne.

(01:04:33):
And you're like, mate, I can see your dog does
not love the situation right now. Why do you say
that they love children in anyway? One time I was
at a cafe. This sounds at the start of a
bad story, but it's not. One time I was at
a cafe and a corimandel and the little boy ran
up to a dog and the dog got it, pulled
its ears back, and I was like, whoa, We're gonna
stay away from that dog. And they were like, that's fine,

(01:04:53):
love child rin And I was like, ah, just my
gut says nah, And I was like, come with me, dude,
took the boy away, went back to the cafe the
next day for a coffee and they were like, good
thing you pulled Iggy away from that dog, because that
dog went a bitter lady after that. And I was like,
there you go. Listen.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Three G.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Three G is going to be turned off in this
country by the end of the year, maybe early next year.
And there are a lot of people who are still
using three G for their phones and stuff. So they
did this in Australia caused mass problems. So we're going
to head over to Australia after the news after six
o'clock and just find out what we got to do
right and wrong in order to avoid the same kind
of trouble that they faced. Can I just say quick

(01:05:31):
shout out to Robert Erwin's mun because if it wasn't
for her, I would totally have missed because I went
on a bit of a news blackout over my maternity leave.
I almost missed Robert Erwin's bond.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Now, if you're like, who are you talking about, it's
the crocodile hunter's son. So he's probably about twelve, but
he decided that he needed to get in his nickers
and do a shoot for bonds, and I missed it
because I was on my news. I sadly missed it
because I was on my news blackout. But thank goodness
because this mum piped up today and said, we're not

(01:06:04):
sure that we like Robert's bonds shoot because a bit
off brand for the family, thereby ensuring that it hit
the newspapers all over again, thereby ensuring that I saw it.
Can I say thank you to what's the face missus Irwin?
Because if you if you're sitting at home right now
and you're a bit bored, you're like, oh, I got
nothing to look at on my phone. Just google it,
Robert Irwin Bonds. You're welcome. You are welcome. Newstalks, it'd be.

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Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Brad Olson's going to talk us through that new tool
the KeyWe GDP forecaster from the Reserve Bank, Paul blocks
them out of Australia on the Reserve Bank over they're
planning to cut rates again next month and then Rowena
Duncan on what's going on with DARIA missions back here
in New Zealand at seven past six. Now, heads up,
if you are running some old technology, it might pay
to double check that your phone or whatever else you're

(01:07:26):
running could still work at the end of the year
when the three G networks get turned off, because all
major talcos are planning to turn off their three G
either at the end of the year or possibly early
next year. Australia did the same thing last year and
early this year and it did lean to a bit
of a problem over there. Or Associate Professor of Engineering
at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Mark Gregory is
with us. Hey Mark, Hello, how bad did it get

(01:07:49):
with you guys?

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Very bad?

Speaker 23 (01:07:52):
There were more problems than you could wish for over here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Okay, So some of the problems, from what I understand
is that when the three G network was turned off,
everybody thought there would be four G coverage or five
G coverage. But that wasn't always the case, was it.

Speaker 23 (01:08:08):
No, Most certainly because the antenna systems were changed at
the same time. So we need to remember that signal propagation,
in other words, the direction and the distance that signal
moves from the towers are affected by the transmission system,
the antennas and the way that they're tuned. And during

(01:08:29):
the changeover, many of the towers actually changed their characteristics.
And so what happened was that in quite a few areas,
customers lost coverage. So we had pictures of farmers standing
in the middle of their farm where they used to
have coverage and now they've not got coverage, and so

(01:08:50):
they've got three G or now that'd upgraded to four
G devices you know, including farming sensors, farm equipment, and
you know, their own devices and their vehicles and no connectivity.
And so we're still struggling with this problem today. So
the number of complaints has gone up quite significantly in

(01:09:14):
relation to telecommunications, and we need to keep that in
mind that there's no guarantee at the end of the
turnover that customers will have coverage.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Not always the I mean some of us. It sounds
like some of the devices cell phones for example, can
actually be switched. I mean they may say the four
G five G compatible, but they still need three G
to make the phone call, but it sounds like they
can be reprogrammed slightly to be able to do without
three G.

Speaker 23 (01:09:41):
Yeah, well, some devices. So what happened, of course, was
that we had three G and there were three G
devices being sold, and then they announced they were going
to start migrating to four G. And so what happened,
of course was a lot of companies rushed out what
they called or branded four G devices and four G phones,

(01:10:03):
and of course they weren't and so these devices were
really three G devices with four G on the cover,
and so they were using like a four G for data,
but they were still using three G for phone calls. Now,
that's all very good, but the most important thing, of
course is safety. And so what they found over here,

(01:10:26):
after a bit of investigation and a bit of a
prompt in the media from myself, was that there are
a large number of devices that, even with them saying
that they were able to make four G phone calls,
they weren't able to connect to the TRIPLEO emergency service
that we have in Australia. And so there was another
whole group of phones that were going to be a

(01:10:50):
problem because at the end of the day, the telecommunications
network should be all about safety. We need to be
able to call the emergency services. So there are different
groups of phones. There were three G phones, there were
four G phones without the voiceover LTE, there were four
G phones that couldn't be used to make calls to

(01:11:10):
triple zero services. And there were devices that were not
seven hundred megaherts capable. Now, seven hundred megahertz band was
used in Australia for the for the analog television channels,
and so when the analog television was moved to digital,
that freed that band up for telephone for mobile. Yeah,

(01:11:33):
and that was called the digital dividend. Now, what happened,
of course, was that there was a whole group of
phones at that time that were not seven hundred megaherts capable.
So even though they claimed black and Blue that are
four G phones wouldn't work with seven hundred megahertz problem.
And so a large number of our.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Sites, we still have some of these phones available for
sale in New Zealand that are basically going to rely
the three G network. How do you tell I'll give
you a human going out there and wanting to buy
a cheap phone. How do you know it's still going
to work.

Speaker 23 (01:12:04):
Well, this is where this is where the confusion came in.
So this was really phase two of the problem here, right.
So you had a safety problem, you had a consumer problem,
you had farming problem, you had manufacturing problems, you had
health problems medical devices again, you know, you had all
the same problems with medical devices devices people have in
their homes, the emergency call devices and the sea path

(01:12:28):
machines that many males and you know many people use,
not just males, but but you know that many people
used today, and the list just goes on and on.
So what happened, of course over here was that the
government had to step in and they announced that there
was going to be a delay between the two major
networks telstrenoptists being able to turn off their networks. Votaphone

(01:12:53):
got through by being the early mover and turned theirs
off the year before, and with the smaller number of
customers on voter Phone and the fact that they don't
really at that time didn't really offer services in rural areas,
they escaped through the process. But tell ustown optic a
whole new kettle of fish. Governments that had to step
in announced that there was going to be a delay

(01:13:15):
before that. The shutdown effect that it ended up being
several months or more. They had to have helplines that
had to do an advertising campaign, they had to start
talking about it in the media, and they really had
to get off their backsides because it was going to
be a major disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Well, you put in the frighteners up me. Mark, here's
hoping it doesn't happen here. Appreciate it. Mark Gregory, Associate
Professor of Engineering at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology.
Get a load of this hither. This three G thing
really shits me. I have a Tesla Model S. Yes,
you know, I know you're thinking in one of those people.
Well I'm not really, I'm just cheap. I bought it secondhand.
It came with free Yes, free is my second favorite

(01:13:55):
four letter F word supercharging for life. Anyway, it's connected
to the Tesla mobile via three GS. They've emailed me
and they've told me it's being switched off. So now
I have to get an MCU upgrade. And how much
do you think they quoted for it? Four thousand bucks?
So turning off the three G means that Tesla has
just gone up in price by four thousand bucks to upgrade.

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Fourteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio empowered by news dog ZEPPI got
a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Of news for you on intrastrates bank instrates RBA's interest rates.
We'll get to that very shortly right now at seventeen
past six. Now, the Reserve Bank economist Paul Conway over
here reckons all those new trade tariffs from Donald Trump
are going to lead to lower inflation in New Zealand.
Brad Olsen as infametrics principle economist and with us ay
brat Good Evening, I would have thought, I mean, you know,
when you talk about tariff's, your first conclusion is actually

(01:14:46):
that is going to lead to higher inflation. Do so
it makes sense to you the lower inflation forecast.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
It does.

Speaker 27 (01:14:52):
I mean, I think also Paul Conway has highlighted here
that the Reserve Bank still thinks there's a lot of
water to go under the bridge and they're still trying
to figure out it exactly what the impact will be.
But at the same time as yes, tariffs raise prices
in the US, and that's I think probably where the
reference comes from those higher price expectations that we keep
talking about with tariffs are concentrated a bit more for

(01:15:12):
the consumers that are paying the tariffs, and those are Americans.
For us at home, if we're seeing less trade activity
starting to come through, you know, businesses that normally export
from New Zealand don't have quite as many as much demand.
They're not getting as much money in the door, They're
not able to spend out as much on other New
Zealand businesses. And if demand generally in the economy comes down,
there's probably not as much ability to pass on some

(01:15:34):
of those pricing pressures. And so we do wonder if,
like the Reserve Bank, if some of this tariff activity
might well see lower prices than otherwise here at home.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Okay, now what do you have? You had to look
at the KIW we GDP, I have.

Speaker 27 (01:15:50):
The new sort of model coming out. I mean it's
a useful addition, I think to the conversation. I think
we've got to be clear that the Reserve Bank is
not saying this is their death. It actual only GDP expectation.
But I think it's useful to add into the mix,
particularly because we know that other central banks around the world,
particularly the US Federal Reserve over in the States has

(01:16:11):
something similar where they do try to at least outline
a bit where they're thinking is and probably more importantly
how it evolves, because that's the thing that we're noticing.
Even in the data the last couple of weeks, as
there has been some ups, there has been some downs.
Yesterday we had new tourism data out in New Zealand
that showed slightly better numbers. At the same time card
spending show that spending activity was down to touch, you know,

(01:16:33):
the likes of the housing numbers out today, again just
another figure into the mix. So I think this model
will give us a little bit more of a clue
potentially where GDP could land at the end of it,
and the Reserve Bank just wanting to put a little
bit more data out there so that we can have
a more informed conversation. But again I don't think this
will replace what they're doing in terms of their estimates
that they put out in similar but it adds just

(01:16:55):
a little bit more transparency around some of the areas
that they look into.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Is it very dif into what MASSI University is running.

Speaker 27 (01:17:03):
Slightly different in terms of where the data comes from
and probably the weights and similar they put onto it.
The likes of GDP Live that Massy University put out
some of that's got some quite big data sets from
you know, like the Kiwi rail, from food stuffs and
similar This model that the Reserve Bank is running with
KWE GDP is much more based around official statistics and

(01:17:23):
when they come out over time, but generally they seem
to give you know, similarly informed results. When you start
to see some more challenging retail numbers coming through, both
of the models will pick that up, but in slightly
different ways. So again, I don't think we're going to
use this number and go that's definitely going to be it.
The numbers will keep being revised and they'll change, but
it does let us have a bit more of a
look under the hood of what things could be driving

(01:17:45):
the economy at any point in time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Yeah, good stuff, Hey, Brad, thanks very much appreciated brad
Elson Inframetrics principal economists here. The most of the Selwyn
district will have no reception once the three g gos
running through those interest rates. Shortly six twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
The Rural Report with m DE Animal Health home of
world Leading Animal Identification.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Six twenty three and with me now is Rowena Duncan
of the country. Hey roight, hey ever, now what's brought
these dairy greenhouse gas emissions down?

Speaker 15 (01:18:11):
Yeah, it's an interesting one.

Speaker 28 (01:18:12):
So we had the report released this afternoon from the
New Zealand Greenhouse Gas Inventory showing that methane emissions from
agriculture now three point seven percent below twenty seventeen levels
and it's really down to a drop in cow numbers.
For dairy in particular, it's down three point seven percent.
On the plus side, though average milk production per cow

(01:18:34):
rows by one point eight percent, but beef and land
New Zealand have obviously been pretty badly hit in the
red meat sector and they're saying, you know, this is
going to continue to reduce in the next few years
due to land change.

Speaker 15 (01:18:46):
Chair Kate Ackland says.

Speaker 28 (01:18:47):
The report should be a good news story that our
emissions are down, but actually when you look into it further,
the primary driver has obviously been the conversion of productive
sheep and beef farms into forestry for carbon offset, and
she says like while the industry might be heading towards
the current twenty thirty target.

Speaker 15 (01:19:05):
It's for the wrong reasons, and the.

Speaker 28 (01:19:07):
Reductions are being achieved by a reduction in stock numbers,
and that's just allowing fossil fuel limitters to continue emitting
by kind of saying that it's okay to offset your
carbon emissions. So if you look at some of the
facts here, we're losing a lot of heat. Dares to
when whole chef and bay farms were sold for conversion
into forestry, particularly for carbon farming. And I'm going to

(01:19:30):
be chatting to the Prime Minister on the country tomorrow
and Jamie's absence and actually just saying, you know, Todd
McLay came out on the fourth of December last year
saying that was something the.

Speaker 15 (01:19:40):
Government were going to look into.

Speaker 28 (01:19:42):
But when is this legislation going to come into effect
that prohibits wholesale conversions from farmland into forestry because farmers
are still getting pretty upset yep, And.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
There's a fair amount of it's still going on. We've
got the global dairy Trade auction since the tariff's announcement
is the first one. What do we expecting?

Speaker 28 (01:20:00):
Yes, yeah, so the market's calling for about a three
percent increase in whole milk powder, maybe flat for skim
milk powder and hopefully increase and hydrous milk fat.

Speaker 15 (01:20:10):
We're at the back end of the season, you know,
there's very little.

Speaker 28 (01:20:13):
New Zealand product available. People are looking at starting to
dry their cows off. Their lactation curve is decreasing, so
that should kind of support the pricing. So if that
plays out, good result and it'll set us up nicely
for the new season.

Speaker 15 (01:20:26):
On June first, brilliant stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Row, thanks very much, look after yourself and good luck
with it. Tomorrow it's Row Duncan of the country. We're
going to have poor blocks them out of hspec hcbc's
chief economists out of Australia with us very shortly and
talk us through what the RBA is expecting with the
interest rates back here. You'll be happy to know if
you're if here, you know, come around to that and
there are still those of us who are rolling off
those those awesome interest rates and coming back and having

(01:20:50):
to refix. You're going to be pleased with what's going on.
Kiwibank and a Ins have both dropped their home loan
rates unfortunately also the deposit rates. But the home loan
rates basically after that official cash rate cut last week.
So Kiwibank's got the six month rates come back by
sixteen basis points, one year fix rate, that's the big
ones come back by twenty basis points. A and Z's
got the six month back by forty basis points, one

(01:21:11):
year back by thirty basis points, and eighteen months back
from by twenty basis points. So a fair amount of
savings zero if you want to go on and lock
them in, listen, Can I just give a quick shout
out to the stoners in Auckland because wow, oie, what
is going on here? Is that I've only noticed two,
but it could be more and there could be a pattern.
But there have been a bunch of house fires in

(01:21:32):
the city of late that have been related to cannabis
growing operations. There was one last night. It was Mount
Eden and when they went and the fire guys went
in to put the fire, it's like a significant fire
in Mount Eden. We went to put out the house fire. Wow, hello,
what's going on here? Weed growing operation? A couple of
weeks back, one in Maneroua same story, go to put
out the fire, what do they find? Massive weed operation?

(01:21:53):
Going on now. One of two things is possible. Either
the guys growing the weed are trying something new and
it's causing fires which then not expecting. Or they're just
a bunch of stoners and accidents happen when you're stoned,
right when you're like as stoned as they are. Yep,
just set fire to the house accidentally. It's possible. Either
of these is probably more likely. The second one isn't it,

(01:22:13):
But anyway, there you go. Two's almost a pattern.

Speaker 29 (01:22:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Right as the UK we will have Indebrady as our
correspondent grew shortly in about ten minutes time, it's twenty
five away from seven right now. The Reserve Bank in
Australia says that it's May meeting would be a quote
opportune time to reconsider the official cash rate. HSBC's chief
of was Paul Bloxham's with that's Paul, Hello, good a,
So it's a cutter, Thanks very much, mad, appreciate a
cut on the cards.

Speaker 15 (01:23:06):
Isn't it.

Speaker 30 (01:23:07):
I think so, yes, I think that's right. You know,
quite a lot has changed. I mean, part of it is,
of course that Australia's inflation has been gradually coming down
and this has left the RBA with an opportunity to
consider to potentially consider cutting. But I think the major
force at work now is what's happening globally, and that's
going to be the force that overwhelms all of these

(01:23:28):
local stories. I guess the way I'm framing this is
this is what's been happening is global is downside risk
for global growth, and typically that is disinflationary for most
of the world, and I think it's going to be
disinflationary for Australia and New Zealand as well. You can
certainly make the case that in the short run there

(01:23:49):
might be supply disruption that plays a role and holds
up that disinflationary force. But I think the major one
is going to be that there's going to be a
lot of manufactured goods in Asia that can't thisss is
really be sold into the US market, and they'll show
up in our markets instead. So I think there's going
to be a lot of trade diversion, and that's going
to be one of the factors that puts downward pressure
on inflation allows the RBA to move a bit faster.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Do you think that the RBA is going to actually
look at what's happening globally right now and take that
into consideration or look through it.

Speaker 30 (01:24:19):
I think the first in the first instance, by May
will know that domestic inflation in Australia is low enough
for them to be able to consider cutting anyway. But
I think when you're thinking about the pathway going forward there,
they'll be considering in their own set of forecasts that
the likely risk to their forecast for inflation is more
to the downside than to the upside given what we're

(01:24:41):
seeing globally. And so I think you're going to get
a cut in May on the back of the domestic story,
followed by and also some sense that they're they're you know,
they're happy that they're considering that they're likely to be
lowering rates further because of what's happening globally.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Yeah, how wise is it to start acting in anticipation
of what Donald Trump is going to do or how
long he may do it, because he's so unbelievably unpredictable.

Speaker 30 (01:25:02):
Well, this is a lot of what came out of
the minutes today. I mean, you know, when the last
meeting that the RBA had was in early April, obviously,
and just before the second of April, when we had
all these big announcements from the US administration, and the
RBA wasn't prepared to do anything because of course they
didn't really know what it was going to look like.
And so I think that's exactly why the RBA. Part

(01:25:24):
of the reason the RBA was on hold in April
was because they don't want to jump at shadows. They
want to know what's going on. But the time we
get to the main meeting and then the ones that
are subsequent to that will have a bit more economic
data that actually shows the effecta all of these policy
changes on the global economy and then potentially the local
economy as well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Yeah, obviously, my first opportunity to talk to you about
what's going on with Donald Trump and the tariffs is
this blowing your mind with how stupid it is.

Speaker 30 (01:25:50):
There's a lot of change really really fast, and it's
having pretty big implications for the overall global the overall
global story and I think we all have to sort
of reframe how we think about things. But I think,
you know, when I think about it in the context
is I say, for Australia and New Zealand. I think
that the main forces are that it's downside risk to
global growth, but it's also likely downside risk for inflation,

(01:26:14):
and that means that the central banks should have scope
to be able to support the local economies by lowering
rates further.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
It's all right, hey, Paul, good to talk to you
is always. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you
again soon. That's Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economists Heather I
would say that the problem with those cannabis setups is
that they take a lot of lights, so it's probably
bad wiring. That's what Mars reckons, not that mauzzes in
the know, but Phil also reckons probably they're buying the
grow lights from Timu And do you know what that's

(01:26:43):
always I've always had a bit of a rule around
that stuff. I'll go to your cheapies like Kmart for
any number of things, you know, but if it has
the potential to set fire to your house, then I
don't buy it.

Speaker 26 (01:26:54):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I think this is wise. Don't you think this is whise?
By your kids sneakers from Kmart. Kmart probably be really
angry with me for talking them down like this, But
by your kids sneakers there by all means buy your
pot plants, there by your fake plants, by your cushions,
buy your throw for your couch whatever. Maybe give the
lights a skip, do you know what I mean? Just

(01:27:16):
go high end for that stuff, just to keep everybody safe.
If you possibly can listen on this Golden Visa. I
don't know about you, but I thought this was fantastic
news to see that we've got these applications coming through
the Golden visas. The visa category that what's the face?
Eric Stanford had a crack at and she changed it
up and she said, we haven't got enough people, Like,
all of a sudden, nobody wants to invest in New Zealand.
So she said, I'm going to redo the criteria for this,

(01:27:37):
and all of a sudden we've got people suddenly interested. Well,
here are some of the numbers for how many for
what kind of money we're talking about. We've had forty
four applications just in two weeks, which is not bad
because if I remember correctly, it's about half of what
we'd had over two and a half years. So we're
doing okay here. The minimum investment under the active investor
plus visa program is in the growth right. The minimum

(01:28:00):
investment there is five million bucks over three years. We've
had thirty six applications there. Then you can also go
under the balanced category and you can chuck to ten
million dollars in for five years, and we've had eight
there now we have had if all of them could
forty four applications, if all of them come through somebody's
crunch the numbers, we could be looking at a call

(01:28:22):
two hundred and sixty million bucks being brought into the country.
I'll take that, thanks very much. You're welcome to bring
your dollars here. So far, seven applications have been approved
in principle. Given that the minimum of all of this
stuff is five million, five times seven is what thirty
five million bucks. That's thirty five million bucks we didn't
have the other day. So we'll take it, thanks very much.
Nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
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Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
These talks d ME.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
And Brady UK corresponding with us right now, Enda, Hello
to you.

Speaker 26 (01:28:59):
Well, hello stranger, congratulations and welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Thank you very much, very much, very happy to be back,
very happy to be talking to your good self in
to tell me what's going on with the boomingham bin strike?
Where are we at?

Speaker 26 (01:29:11):
So the papers have some interesting information here today as
we're into week five now of Birmingham, the second city
of England, not having its bins connected collected. Would you
believe the union officials driving this industrial dispute none of
them live in Birmingham, Kelcer Prieze. So they're the ones
sitting around the negotiating table saying that this isn't good enough,

(01:29:34):
that isn't good enough. One of them lives fifty miles
outside of Birmingham. Another lives in Kingston upon Thames, Southwest Leafy, London,
nowhere near Birmingham. And guess what their bins are being
collected every week. So it's fascinating what's going on and
the whole dispute. It turns out the changes to the
working conditions and pay will affect seventeen bin men. Seventeen

(01:29:59):
bin men are holding the city of Birmingham one point
two million residents to ransom. It is shocking what's going on.
And meanwhile German newspapers are running headlines rats as big
as cats and that is what's happening in Birmingham right now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
So they're bringing the military strategist rather than you know,
you average soldier. But do you have any idea what
a military I don't know what a military strategist is.

Speaker 26 (01:30:21):
Do you the fellos who sit behind desks looking at
computer spreadsheets. I mean, what the people of Birmingham need
right now is boots on the ground and bins off
the street. You don't need to be a strategist to
work out what needs to happen. And mark my words,
howther I had colleagues there yesterday filming They were finding
rats dead in the street. The next thing will be
some sort of wild disease or some sort of public

(01:30:45):
health outbreak. Five weeks of not having public refuse collected
it is beyond disgraceful.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
It's a bit black plague, isn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:30:55):
It is it is, But I mean when you look
at who the union leaders are, where they're living. I mean,
where is the leadership? And it turns out starmers on holidays.
By the way, the Prime minister's finally taking a break,
so this ain't going to be fixed this week.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Hey, where are we at with the efforts to South
British steel? Are they getting anywhere?

Speaker 26 (01:31:16):
So this is rumbling on. Today is a big day.
But apparently a shipment of cochin coal has arrived at Immingham,
which is the nearest port to Scunthorpe that would be
transferred at speed to the blast furnaces because the suspicion
was that the Chinese owners were going to run down
the blast furnace, so it went out. Apparently they're extremely

(01:31:38):
difficult to restart and then all the contracts were making
steel would have been transferred to mainland China.

Speaker 9 (01:31:45):
That was the plan.

Speaker 26 (01:31:46):
So ultimately the other day, would you believe it, the
Chinese leaders on site barricaded themselves into a boardroom and
they could only be got out when the local police
were called.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
That is where we are.

Speaker 26 (01:31:57):
So there's a big debate now over Chinese owners of
critical infrastructure in the UK. I think a lot of
people are just wondering, you know who you do deals
with it's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
No, not at all. Now are we really in a
position where Dublin is not going to have a vote
on who should be the mayor?

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Yes?

Speaker 26 (01:32:16):
So what I'm hearing from all the authorities in Ireland
there was going to be a National Plebis site on
whether or not to have an elected mayor of Dublin
like they have with Cidy Cahn in London and Andy
Burnham in Manchester. Dublin's a big city, it drives the
Irish economy. But there is the specter of a political
career looming for one Connor McGregor. The authorities do not

(01:32:39):
like him in Ireland. They don't want him running to
be president in November, and I think he's going to
struggle to get on the nomination ballot for president. However,
he could run to be mayor of Dublin and to
offset that and to make sure it never happens, they've
now decided, do you know what, we'll live without the mayor?

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 26 (01:32:58):
Inda, given that it could be Connor McGregor. I don't
like the guy personally. I think he is not a
good person. He is not a good ambassador for Ireland.
And I would question why he is going into politics.
I mean, he popped up in the White House on
Saint Patrick's Day. Trump seems to surround themselves with these
Andrew Tates and Connor McGregor's. I don't think Connor McGregor

(01:33:20):
going into politics is good news for anyone in Ireland,
and certainly any migrant in Ireland who we're seeing pictures
social media people being harassed the whole time. I mean,
it's getting very very nasty and there will be Irish
people listening to this in New Zealand. We've gone all
over the world unhindered. No one has bothered us. I
just find that our country in a very strange place

(01:33:42):
right now. If McGregor runs for president, do you know what, Heather?
If he runs for president, I'll go up against them
and let's see who wins.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
I'd poud to say that in the thank you very much,
I really appreciate we're going to hold you to it.
Into Brady UK correspondent. Now, I'll tell you what might
not like Connor McGregor. Ah, this kind of thing we
were where. I just don't think this kind of thing
is good for politics, do you know what I mean?
Where you've got the sense that they and I put
it in near quotes elite changing the rules to stop

(01:34:09):
somebody that don't like getting in. That kind of thing
makes people. That's why we've got a breakdown in trust
with institutions. That's why we've got trust in the media falling,
trust and politicians falling trust and institutions falling because they
see this kind of jerrymandering going on. It's not fantastic
that this is happening. Liten very quickly, very sad to
read today in the Wellington Papers that a shop called
The Axe in Newtown is closing. Now, if you're in

(01:34:32):
Wellington and you've got good taste, you will know the Axe.
The Axe is a great store. It's very very expensive.
Like I go into when it was before it was closing,
And when I used to live in Wellington, I'd go
into the Ax and buy the tiniest thing in the shop,
do you know what I mean? Just buy something nice?
But who everything's expensive, But I did. Actually, I've decided
to treat myself after I had baby number one, buy

(01:34:53):
myself a push prison, because I ain't nobody else going
to buy me a push prison. So I went in
and I bought myself a coffee table. Come stall, do
you know what I mean? It was just carved out
of a bit of wood. It's a very very heavy
item and thank God because you need to hit the
items around children. It's their own break. And I love it,
and to this day, I love it. It's weird how
you can attach this, you can attach some emotion to
a piece of furniture. I love that stool. Every single

(01:35:15):
time I look at it, it makes me feel happy.
And I just regret that I didn't buy two of
them because they came in black and like a beigy
log color. Anyway they might. The shop is closing because
of the cycle way. I mean, can you come on, Wellington?
The Newtown cycle way is an abomination. It is causing

(01:35:37):
all kinds of trouble to the stores up and down Newtown.
I mean, like, this is such a Wellington story. Put
in a cycle way, close the local stores. And it's
not the only thing. It's not only a new Town
this is happening. This is happening in Thornton as well.
Bored O Bakery shutdown because of their cycle way anyway,
blah blah blah whatever. So oh mate, who runs the
Axe decided to go on Facebook and say, look, I'm

(01:35:57):
closing down the acts because of the cycle way. Well
does she some abuse from punters who were like, now,
it's so lazy to blame the cycleway, including one of
my favorite people, Patrick Morgan of Cycle Wellington, who appears
to have been born devoid of empathy. Because Patrick goes
on the Facebook or on the Internet or on the media.
I don't know what he did, but he opened his

(01:36:18):
mouth and he said, any shop selling high price knickknacks
amid job cuts is going to want to rethink it's
business model. So he just calls her business a shop
that sells nicknacks, completely forgetting that that's her business. There's
a woman behind that business selling nick knacks, Patrick, who
is having a hard time of a bit. Do you
just go and you just be unkind from your little
proletariat position? There a mate got on yet Anyway, she

(01:36:41):
doesn't hate cycle ways. She votes left, she votes green
and labor, but she has called out that particular cycle way.
So it's nice to know that it's not just people
who you know, drive cars and vote right who have
a problem with cycle ways. It's also people who vote left.
So there you go, and you know, rip to the
Ax because it was a great store away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Now I find myself googling that side table to see
if I can buy it anywhere else. It wasn't cheap
as well, and I can hardly afford it at the moment.
It's a cost of living crisis, isn't it. That's a
bad idea. Anyway, Listen before I go. I don't think
that I've given you enough PERV today. I have come back.
I have come back with so much pent up PERF
for you because we've already talked about old man as
bonds bonds. One today was reading the news media about

(01:37:45):
you know, Trump de deporting the migrants to Ol Salvador
and he's met with the president of our Salvador and
he wants to ramp it up. And he was deporting
the migrants beforehand, which by the way, was one of
the things that made my husband very angry, and I
was not sufficiently outraged about the migrants being deported to
El Salvador's. That sparked a debate at home. But anyway,
in mind on that subject, Trump has now decided he's

(01:38:05):
going to start deporting the homegrown criminals as well to
El Salvador and the and the president of Ol Salvador
needs to buy get himself five mega prisons to be
able to handle it, and blah blah blah, and do
you know all that I thought was have you seen
the president of El Salvador? I mean, have you He
is forty three years old and he looks like Drake.

(01:38:27):
Now it's not everybody's cup of tea, but I'm just
gonna say thank you.

Speaker 29 (01:38:32):
Yes, it's well, second showback. This is like the fourth
time I've played the porn music. Yes, we've only had
two shows. Yes, I know I'm gonna have to come
to find different, you know, porn and so often that
I'm going to need like three or four on the back.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
That's right. And I'm just because I'm just setting everybody up,
like I know that you guys have got everybody's got
used to people behaving themselves. But now I'm back and
we're going to play the porn music, and I just
want to say, we're not listen on this proactly. I
know Ryan very well. He was not behaving himself at all.
I heard a lot of his little giggles and jokes
when I tuned in, and they were all filth and
I approved of that. Just want to say, El Salvador's

(01:39:09):
president would not be a hot babe in normal life,
but when you go into politics, the bar drops a
like because most people in politics are not good looking.
So when you look like Drake, you're a hot babe.

Speaker 29 (01:39:19):
And and when you're sitting right next to Donald Trump,
I say, definitely, definitely, he's a very good person to
be compared to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Rivers.

Speaker 29 (01:39:26):
Cuomo has confirmed that Weezer are going to be working
on a movie Here Island and the Sun by Weezer
to play us out tonight. They were a late ringing
for Coachella over the weekend and they thought that they
may as well announce that on stage. And apparently Green
Day are doing a movie right now as well, So
this is just a thing for nineties bands. Apparently, what
is green Day doing a movie about? It's going to

(01:39:46):
be about that. It's inspired by the group, and they
are the years of living in a tour event, so
they're eight mile I guess I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Really honestly like I am doubling down on my hatred
of Green Day.

Speaker 29 (01:39:56):
Yeah, and I'm gonna go ahead and say no American
Idiot was and is a brilliant ELB. It's just amazing
that a lot of the things they say about it,
which is true of the Bush presidency, is still true
of the current presidency.

Speaker 27 (01:40:05):
It's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Enjoy we by now.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
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