Full Show Podcast: 15 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin friends to find the real story.
Or it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duper c Allen Drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talks'd
be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Coming up on the show, Local Government minister on the
Council spending, the cleanup that they're gonna, well the cleanup
job they're attempting to do on this former Australian Ambassador
to Russia, Will Trump's threats to putin actually work and
yield results on Ukraine. We'll ask that question. The ad
you won't believe made it to the top ten list

(00:35):
of advertisements in New Zealand. It's not the Lotto one competition,
lawyer on the foodstuff's cartel case. Plus David Seymour on
the PM and the UN. It's seven after four, Ryan Bridge.
So the governments today introduce a bill to get local
government back focused on the basics when it comes to spending.

(00:55):
But the reality is this bill is not needed. It's
about as useful as Labour's bill introducing all the well
being fluff that this bill is trying to undo. It's ridiculous,
it's a total waste of time and it's not necessary.
This Amendment bill contains wildly controversial stuff like prioritizing core

(01:17):
services and managing finances and even setting rates. How scandalous.
We shouldn't need a bill to stop wasteful spending. What
we need is more. Andrew tripes, this is the Huanganui mayor.
His rate increase for the year two point two percent.
What a legend. The average for the rest of us

(01:40):
sods eight point seven percent across the country. He went
on RNZ this morning basically said it how it really is.
If you want low rates, guess what. Spend less, save money,
have a plan and stick to it. Quite simple stuff.
And like Dave Lttelly, I like this. He says, no
excuses because you hear a lot of those in local

(02:01):
government and the curbside food waste ben nonsense that we're
carrying on within Auckland. He's cut that. That saved them
one point one percent for the year. Why has Auckland
kept its scheme? Most of us don't use it. We've
spoken about this before the fact is that this is
all our fault. It's not the fault of the council's.

(02:23):
It's not the fault of the mayors. It's certainly not
the fault of central government, who's sweeping in to try
and save the day here with this bill that's quite arbitrary.
It's us, the voters. We obviously don't care enough about
council waste. Otherwise we'd have voted to get rid of it.
We'd have voted in someone like Andrew Tripe. It's as

(02:46):
simple as that. Voter turnout in twenty twenty two wait
for it, thirty six percent. It's literally laughable. In Auckland,
our largest city, was thirty one percent in some areas
of a cland it was only twenty percent. Eighty percent
of eligible voters just stayed home. Now wonder we're tripping

(03:07):
over cycle ways, raised crossings, paying for cooking classes at
community centers and absolutely drowning in unnecessarily infuriatingly exorbitant rates,
bills and bread bread. Then after FOURD news talks here.
But at the same time, congratulations homeowners. House prices in
our biggest cities are also falling. This is according to

(03:29):
the latest Real Estate Institute figures. The median house prices
in Wellington, Auckland, and christ Church respectively have decreased in June. Nationwide,
medium price for a house seven hundred and seventy thousand,
exactly the same as it was in June last year.
Ashley Church is a property commentator and is with us now, Hey, Esley,

(03:49):
get it Ryan? Jeez?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Not not great news, is it, especially for the big
cities when you're wanting, you know, when you want to
feel a bit rich.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, it's interesting. So I think probably the important thing
here is not to fixate on the numbers on a month, month,
or even at the moment on an annual basis. It's
probably worth more looking at the causes of this and
what's likely to change over the next little while. So
the causes are pretty well known and trumpeted. This goes
back to twenty twenty twenty twenty one and that massive

(04:20):
drop in interest rates as a result of the OCR
being dropped by the Reserve Bank at the time, overshooting
the mark and effectively creating our housing boom, which push
prices up way beyond where they might have been expected
to go under a normal cycle. And then the Reserve
Bank is a result of that, recognizing what it had done,
reversing course and increasing the OCR, which had the effect

(04:41):
of increasing mortgage interest rates over the following two years.
So yeah, and the result of that, basically is what
we're dealing with now.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
We've had it.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
We've had a couple of years of the reserve banks
starting to reduce those rates again, so big take, because
the first cause of house price growth is a lower
cost of money, and so that's been coming down, and
so the confidence or the lack of confidence that we
had in the market for a long time because it
was costing too much basically to borrow money is kind

(05:14):
of dissipating. But that's been replaced ryan by a survey
of listings, which has come about over the last twelve
or eighteen months. And the reason that's happened is because
people seeing house price is decreasing over the last sort
of two two and a half years, rather than putting
their houses on the market and selling them for less
than they thought they were worth, basically just chose to

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hold on to them. And once those prices stabilized and
sort of set a new benchmark, then they started putting
them back out onto the market. So listings have increased,
so it's basically supply and demand there. So the reason
you're seeing these prices sitting at a relatively stable level
is because there are so many listings on the market
relative to the number of people that are actually out
there prepared to buy. So that's a really long answer

(05:57):
to your question, but it basically explains what's happened over
the last two or three years that's not going to
change until those listings are basically mopped up, and that's
going to take probably another twelve months to eighteen months
before we start to see any real change in house
prices and prices starting to slowly increase again.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
And when you say increase again, you mean take off
like a rocket, or you mean, well, just you know,
we're not going to see the types of increases we
saw post COVID, But are we going to see a boom?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
The shortlandswer that is yes, And the reason I say
yes with some degree of confidence is simply based on
the evidence of the last forty years. When I say
the last forty years, the forty years prior to twenty twenty.
So we know that every ten years on average since
since nineteen eighty, house prices have doubled, and the pattern
for that has been six or seven years during which

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they've doubled, and then a two or three year period
where they've basically sat flat. So ten years in total
each time, So that's that's an empirical measure that we
can look at. So everything suggest that that trend will continue.
So at some point the market will kick off again,
and that's obviously not going to happen till those listings
are mopped up, and at some point the supply of

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listings is going to diminish to a point where we
get this thing called fomo fear of missing out, and
so people are going to be prepared to pay more
in order to get a property over some other punter
who also wants to buy the same property. And the
crucial part of that that's been missing over the last
two or three years has been the cost of money
was too high. That's now fixing itself as well. So

(07:30):
short answered teck where that wasn't very short, but that
wasn't at all.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
But tech question is yes, yeah, yeah, antier.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Tech question is yes, we just don't know when that's
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, well, that's we'll be reassuring for people. Actually, thank
you for that. Actual church property commentator just gone fourteen
after four Ryan Brand nine nine two is the number
to text this afternoon. Kiwi Rail has banned twenty five
hundred workers. This is from ore and zaid from using malatonin.
This is the one that Seymour wants you to have
more free access to, no prescription required. You can soon

(08:03):
get it at a pharmacy near you, just over the counter.
And zoppa clone, which is your more hardcore version of
a sleeping pill, knocks you out cold. Now, KEEPI rail
and this is probably fair enough. This is according to
the union. Keepy Rail says, we've got people using heavy machinery,
obviously driving trains, and if they come into work having
had the sleeping pills the night before, then they could

(08:25):
be affected and they might crash or have an accident.
And that's health and safety and that's bad. But the
union says, if you're a shift worker, which a lot
of these guys are, what's worse turning up tired with
no sleep or turning up well rested but with some
residual medication in your system. I would say, and this

(08:49):
is coming from someone who normally wakes up at three
in the morning, two thirty in the morning for work.
Tired no sleep is the most dangerous state you can
be in. I would much they have somebody who was
well rested but had had some sort of medication. Then
no all little sleep at all. Nine two nine two
would love your views on that. This afternoon, quarter past

(09:11):
four Sport with Piny Next.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's the Heather Dupis see allan Drive full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
News TALKSB. It's eighteen minutes after four, Ryan, I take
melatonin daily. It has changed my life since this listener.
I wake up refreshed and energized. Before malatonin, I barely slept.
This sounds like an add it's not. It's just somebody's experience.
Felt awful with brain fog and headaches every day. Now
I bounced to work, Ryan, So these bozos, this is

(09:42):
Kibi Rail, wants you to go to work with maybe
two or three hours sleep instead of eight hours sleep
with malatone. And how does that figure? This is Kibi
Rail saying to the union that two and a half
thousand employees, they don't want them taking melatonin, and they
don't want them taking zopaclone, the sleeping pills the night
before coming into work, because it's a health and save
for the issue. Nine two the number six nineteen after four.

(10:04):
Jason Pine Sports talk hoast with us. Hey, Jason get
A Ryn, should the Blues leave eden Park? I think
they should think about it. I think they should definitely
examine it.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
This is obviously because their contract with eden Park's run out,
ran out of the last season. They've gone out to
their fans and said, would you be more likely to
come if we played at go Media Mount Smarter course?

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Would you be more or less likely to come along?

Speaker 8 (10:25):
Like?

Speaker 7 (10:25):
I think the match venue is just one of.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
A number of things that will trigger people to go
to a game or not go to a game. The weather,
the cost of the ticket, the day of the game
or you know what time of the year, if your
team's doing well or not, the food and drink, the entertainment,
So they've all got to be considered. I mean, Eden
Park's massive, right Ryan, you know it's huge, And when
only eight thousand people are turning up to watch a

(10:49):
game in a fifty thousand seat stadium, I'm not sure
that's the greatest match day experience. I get the feeling
they'll probably stay, but it's worth having a look at.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, and probably the well is it a negotiating thing
as well? Because they're obviously up for renewal with eden Park, right.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah, it could well be they could say, hey, we're
just thinking about other places so that they get a
sharpened pencil from eden Park on the next deal.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Perhaps.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Hey, how on earth did the West Indies get bowled
out for twenty seven this morning?

Speaker 7 (11:16):
I know this is man and of course it's speaking
of eden Park.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
It was seventy years ago that New Zealand were bowled
out for twenty six at eden Park and for the
last seven decades we've been waiting hoping that somebody would
take the most unwanted Test cricket record off us. And
when the West Indies were eleven for six this morning,
we thought this could be. Yet they got through to
twenty six and then lost three more because they were
twenty six for nine, so it was almost, you know,

(11:41):
they could have equalled us as being the worst ever.
And then then a ball goes into Sam Constance, the
Australian fielder, and he misfields it and they go through
for a single and they're all out.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
For twenty seven. So we still have the record. But
twenty seven ain't great.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, but still we've got We've had that record since
nineteen fifty five.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
It would be a shame to say good bye to
it in some ways, but surely well the west Is
are coming here later in the yes, so maybe we'll
bowl about for twenty five when they're over here.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, one shy Thanks Jason, Jason Pine and sports talk
host seven o'clock tonight, News Talk SAIB it's twenty one
minutes after four. Lots of your feedback on local government
as well. We'll get to that next.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Moving the big stories of the day forward. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duple see Allen Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected News talks 'b twenty.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Four minutes after four after five. Simon Watts, the Local
Government Minister. The government today introducing a bill try and
clean up spending from local councils because they just throw
it away, you know, into the wind. Ryan. If you
want a good argument for there being some sort of regulation,
have a look at south Waycutter District council spending on

(12:51):
vanity projects, seventeen million dollars on a new poll, six
million on toilets that didn't work and cost six hundred
thousand to replace, and projected borrowings of nine hundred and
eighteen million dollars in the long term plan, says Carol. Carol,
I asked Laura, our producer, because I got your text
during the ad break, I said, can we just check

(13:11):
that you're not wrong? How on earth does this happen to?
Apparently called the Duney disaster? Four million dollars on a redevelopment,
including new toilets, and the toilets were too small people
can sit on them and do their business, and the
pipes underneath apparently didn't work. So you're right. Then they

(13:31):
had to spend more money, hundreds of thousands of dollars
to replace the very expensive, multimillion dollar development that they
put there in the first place. Yes, it's crazy, But also, Carol,
did you vote? That would be my question? Did you vote?
Is you know the government saying you have to do
this or you have to do that without without properly

(13:53):
defining what those things are. Is that really going to
make a difference.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
The biggest signal we can send to local government that
they're spending too much money is to vote them out.
Nine two is the number of text if someone says,
ryan to vote in change, you need candidates who will
offer that change, and we get endless feel goods, spend
big candidates in local government. No wonder people don't vote.
They've been alienated in the process. Yeah, nine two the

(14:21):
numbers text. We'll get to the minister after five. On
Kiwi Rail, Ryan, is Kibirail informed about the after effects
of malatonin and sleeping medication or is it just based
on someone's opinion. There must be some empirical evidence about this,
says David. David, I can tell you it is based
on Kievrail has a chief medical Officer of health and

(14:42):
who's a doctor. They consulted them. They said, based on
this assessment, the chief medical officer has determined that neither
medication is compatible with safety critical work at Kibirail. The
thing is the civil aviation that so you're pilots, they
can take it. It's just really not recommended. So Kiwi Rowl,

(15:03):
you're better off probably, I don't know. Would you rather
a sleepy pilot on a plane or on a train?
Probably don't either. It's great, but yeah, it looks like
key Rowl's a bit more, a bit more hardline than
the CIA. Even at this point. Number twenty seven minutes

(15:23):
after four, you're on news talk, said.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
BP recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Ryan Bridge on hither du for see Ellen drive

(15:48):
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
He'd be ten seven. Nobody knows good afternoon twenty five
away from five. Have we been embarrassed internationally by David
Seymour's letter to the UN answer, of course is no.
But I am keen to see how Seymour responds to

(16:15):
Luxeon's slapdown of him, especially given it was so public
this morning. He's on the show at five thirty five.
Graham says Ryan Hipkins, who's the one that's saying we
should be embarrassed about all of this? Should take his
own advice and stop embarrassing the country with his childish comments,
comments Seymour here at five point thirty five. This evening,
it's now twenty five to two five.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's the World wires on news dogs.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Donald Trump is threatening tariffs on Russia and Russia's trading
partners if Putin doesn't end the war in Ukraine, also
promising to send more weapons.

Speaker 10 (16:47):
Billions of dollars worth of military equipment is going to
be purchased from the United States, going.

Speaker 11 (16:52):
To netto etc.

Speaker 12 (16:54):
And that's going to be quickly distributed to.

Speaker 11 (16:58):
The battlefield.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is meeting the Australian Prime Minister is meeting with the
Chinese president. She's in Ping today. He's promised not to
back down if President she questions his election, promise to
force the port of Darwin, which is in Chinese hands,
Chinese own hands, to sell it back to the Aussies.

Speaker 12 (17:16):
If it traced. Our position is very clear, and I'm
sure that the President's are very clear, and as knowledgeable
of that, I'll have a discussion with the President. I'll
treat him with the respect that I would any leader.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Finally, this afternoon, a primary school principal in the UK
is throwing raves for his students every Friday afternoon two
pm sharp. He wheels a boombox into an empty classroom,
jumps up on a desk and holds a dance party
for every student that wants to participate. He puts Friday
Dance on He's standing on each hand. Then we just
sit down Sunday sees week for a week and then

(17:51):
everyone John's only go crazy. Principal says, it's a good
way to make sure all the students show up for
school on a Friday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business twenty.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Three to five. Charles Krautch, a Channel nine chief political
editor with US Sound of Australia. Child's good afternoon, Good afternoon.
So what's on the agenda apart from the port of
Darwin potentially between with this meeting between elbow and sheep.

Speaker 8 (18:23):
Yeah, less fun than the British teachers dance party on
a Friday afternoon. But this meeting has just taken place
in the Great Hall of the People. Know your own
Prime Minister was there recently, so you've been through the process. Look,
this is about still stabilizing the relationship up some pretty
rocky years in the fallout of COVID and inquiry that
Australia lad And and the Morrison government effectively falling out entirely

(18:45):
with Jiji Ping, the President of China, has said he
wants to push the relationship further, wants to see more
come from a free trade agreement that's been ten years
in place now. The Prime Minister has reiterated fondness and
Australia's propensity to free trade as well, so that is

(19:05):
in a way, China is sort of proving themselves or
trying to sort of show their bona fides when it
comes to free trade and being a better partner than America.
Because at the same time we're he's sort of going
through this struggle as the rest of the world is
with the US tariffs and what's going on there. So
we are in a very strange situation where Australia and
I dare say New Zealand are looking at increasing trade

(19:28):
with communist China at the same time as increasing tariffs
with capitalist America. But that is the world that we're
all caught in the middle of right now.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Now, that upside down world that we're all living in. Hey,
what's happening with the former opposition leader. They're accused of
domestic abuse by a partner.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
Yeah, Mike Latham is an odd character to say the least.
He stood against John Howard in the two thousand and
four election, was pretty resoundingly beaten. People may remember the
famous handshake that said to lost him the election of
his aggressive nature. Now a former partner, someone who was
in what we're told is a situationship with Mark Latham.

(20:07):
I don't want to go too much into what that is,
but has accused him of some pretty heenous things, including
some coercion and other sort of things that aren't appropriate
to be saying in any form, but certainly not on
the radio this hour that afternoon. He has denied it.
In a post on X he says, as the old

(20:28):
saying goes, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?
Now this will be dug into deeper. He has in
the past had incidents involving cab drivers and a whole
lot of other things. He has been kicked out of
almost every political party doing the rounds. He is now
an independent, still sits in one of the state upper
houses and still has some power there. So this will

(20:50):
be dug into, no doubt by assume the police, but
potentially also parliamentary inquiries. Again, he denies any of the accusations.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Did he actually right on next, hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (21:04):
I think I read that somewhere now, goodness it.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Was, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
It's out there. He called it comic all some of
the suggestions, and look, if they're not true, they are comical.
But we will see.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Hey, the RBA wants to ban credit card surcharge. Just
sounds like a good idea. Will it happen?

Speaker 8 (21:24):
So a great idea. Look, the RBA has said this,
given it's a cost living crisis almost everywhere, the problem's
going to be if the actual retailers have to pay
for the machines and for the setup. Now it's clear
that some have been taking the mickey with this and
charging sort of three percent or even one a half
or two percent on big purchases that attract then a

(21:46):
big surcharge. What the RBA is saying that is, in
many cases it is now cheaper for a retailer and
for the banks to use f pos or credit cards
or even debit cards, then it is to use ash.
The cost of storing and securing and transporting cash is increasing,
so for some sales it's actually cheaper to the outlet

(22:09):
themselves to use credit cards, and yet they still charge
consumers for the right to use it. So this is
what the RBA is saying. They think it would be
a boost the economy but also better reflect or the
costs at the point of sales. There's reviews going on.
It's going to report back with the recommendations by the
end of the year. The RBA doesn't have the power
to enforce that, but the government does and they'll listen,

(22:32):
and that'll be a very popular decision given just how
much everyone is slugged because of these search charges that
often you either don't know are happening, or more of
the point, you can't really fight.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, good point too, Charles, Thank you for that. Charles
Croucher ten or nine, Chief Political Editor. It's eighteen to five,
Bryan Bridge. So how does Taparty Marti get away with this?
For two years running? Now? They have filed, well, not
filed as the case is again for last month is
for the most recent financial year, not filed their financial
statements in an audited form. So yes, last year they

(23:07):
filed their returns. Fine, it's still not an audited set.
This year not even filed anything yet. The Labor Party
as well hasn't filed an audited set of the councilthough
they say there is a coming and they have good form.
They normally file on time and they're normally audited. But
how does the Party Marty get away with two years
running no audited accounts being filed when that is what

(23:30):
under current legislation you are required as a political party
to do. Barry Soper on this.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
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Speaker 2 (23:41):
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Very good, afternoon afternoon run. So a bit of a
telling off the David Seymour and the Naughty corner.

Speaker 10 (23:52):
It's really interesting, you know, watching the dynamic between David
Seymour and Chris Lackson on the house as I was
doing today, and when Winston used to sit beside Christopher Lackson,
there would be a lot of repartee going on, a
bit of ribbing, and Winston will be on his feet
every second question and firing shots across the house. But

(24:15):
David Seymour sits there very somber and no doubt because
he's just had a telling off by Christopher Laxon. I've
got to say, you know, we met, we talked about
this yesterday. This United Nations Special rapoteur Albert Barum criticizing
not just the Treaty Principles Bill, but other aspects of

(24:37):
the way he sees Maldi being treated in this country.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
And the Coalition agreement.

Speaker 10 (24:42):
He had a crack at that, yes, yes, and even
talked about the laws in New Zealand. And rightly, Seymour
saw that as our sovereignty in some way being questioned
by an amorphous body like the United Nations. In fact,
we've got no requirement to bye by what he says
we should be abiding by. But nevertheless, David Seymour was

(25:06):
too efficient in filing the letter off to the Rapporteur,
saying that this is not the New Zealand position and Winston.
I don't know whether Winston got up tight about it.

Speaker 13 (25:18):
I'm not.

Speaker 10 (25:18):
I've tried to get him today, but well, he probably is.
He probably felt that his territory was being impinged in
some way, and he's very jealously guards the Foreign Affairs portfolio,
so maybe that was the case. So how do you
withdraw a letter though he has already got there.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I mean, it wouldn't have been a physical it would
have been an email. Presumablise, he's gone there, it's done.
You can't unfind.

Speaker 10 (25:44):
Yeah, So the Rapporteur now will be waiting for the
official response from the New Zealand government, not the one
from the Deputy Prime Minister for goodness, say.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Hey, Shane Jones trumpeting how good he is as a
resources master.

Speaker 10 (25:57):
Well, you've got to you've got to give it to
old Shane Jones. He claims in Parliament this afternoon that
investors are flocking to the resources of this country and
we hope that is the case because you know, since
the gas and the oil exploration permits were closed down
as one of the first acts of the coalition government.

(26:20):
Don't forget who was in that coalition government, Shane Jones,
But I remember at the time Shane Jones was standing
looking very uncomfortable on the stage as they were announcing.
And in fact, it was the story that I broke
that they were going to do this, and they did
it out of the blue. It was just sudden.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
But also they haven't yet undone it.

Speaker 14 (26:41):
That thing.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
They still haven't passed the legislation to undo.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
It, even though if you listen to Shane Jones', investors
are flocking. Jones said that. Look, he's been talking to
various investors in the country and Jones says he's making
the government's position clear to those potential investors in our
energy sector.

Speaker 15 (27:04):
I have endeavored to assure investors in the resources sector.
That we have decriminalized the coal industry, we have validated
the gas industry. We are not in the business of
visiting moral judgments upon various elements of the economy because
we remain agnostic as to how we keep the lights on.
I had the privilege of addressing a host of mining

(27:27):
investors professionals in Sydney. They regard the quality of leadership
that I have shown on behalf of the government of
such stature. They invited me to be a politician in Canberra.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Do you know that was the state of origin. The
final happened to be there the same days, just so
quite convenient.

Speaker 10 (27:49):
You've got to give it to Jones, and you know
he doesn't mind patting himself on the.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Back, and he does a good job of it.

Speaker 16 (27:54):
He does.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Hey, departy, Mary, how do you not furnish fully ordered
accounts for two years not get in trouble?

Speaker 10 (28:01):
Well, the thing that I find absolutely extraordinary is that
the Electoral Commission filed a complaint with the police last year.
But don't forget there's a lot of stuff going on
behind the scenes with money involving the Maldi Party and
various aspects of that election campaign in two thany and

(28:21):
twenty three. Now was they were the first returns that
they should have filed and parties have only been only
been required to file these returns over the past two years. Well,
the Maori Party the first year they filed returns but
they weren't audited. The Labor parties in the same position
this year, but the Maori Party haven't filed anything and

(28:41):
they say, look, the returns are in the mail. I
was talking to the Electoral Commission today. Well they've said
that before and the police, you know, they received the
complaint last year.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
What are they doing now.

Speaker 10 (28:55):
Of course, if you look at the Electoral Act, it's
an offense for a party secretary to file a financial
statement late or fail a financial statement to return one
without reasonable excuse. Well, as I said to the Electoral
Commission today, well they said, look one's in the mail.
Is that an excuse?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Of course it's not. And given the track record that
they didn't do the audited one last time, and they've
even said, don't worry, the audited one for last time
will come with this year's.

Speaker 10 (29:26):
I'm going to get a flood of information. Let's just
hope the police have a look very closely at this
because laws are in place to require political parties to
do this. They're in place for a reason and if
they can flout their way back into Parliament in this way,
you've got to say what is what is it about

(29:47):
the Maori Party that should be given special treatment.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Also, people will start to wonder why you don't have
audited accounts. Well, that would be a good question, mate, Barry,
thank you for that. Good to see you as always
and people are loving having you back. Nine away from
five on News Talk said b that's very so for
senior political correspondent. After five we're going to speak to
the Minister Simon Watt's about these changes. Loads of texts

(30:13):
coming in, by the way, from people who are saying
we just don't have anyone decent in local government. It's
not that because I suggested, well, maybe the reason we've
got people who are spending lots of money and not
getting very far with local governments because we're not voting
for the right people. You were saying, issue, there's not
really anyone to vote for who would cut spending in
the way that you want. Anyway, we'll talk to Simon

(30:34):
Watt's about that after five.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
It's now eight to two, putting the tough questions to
the newspeakers the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
Eric Stanford is the Education minister.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Okay, so about a month ago you hosted Sir Nick
Gibb in the country.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
Now, Surnick Gibb is obviously the chap who turned education around, But.

Speaker 17 (30:50):
For the UK couple of decades back, did he teach
you anything you didn't know?

Speaker 18 (30:53):
He's been an excellent mentor. Nick told me never give
up and never compromise. Keep going.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Now.

Speaker 18 (30:58):
I remember a year ago when people were putting a
lot of pressure on me to get rid of the
correquisites because it was meaning that young people may not
get there in CEA, and I held my ground and said, no,
we're not lowering the level. We're not getting rid of it.
These young people need to be literate and numerate and
we will do whatever it takes, and we are doing that.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Heather duplusy Ellen on the My Casting Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with Bailey's Real Estate on News Talks dB.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Five to five on News Talks, he'd be Hi, Ryan.
I'm very disappointed, says Jan very disappointed with Luxon. He
should be supporting Seymour who did nothing wrong. I know
I will who I will be voting for at the
next election. Problem is for Luxon, he's sort of man
in the middle. You've got Seymour on your left, you've
got Peter's on your right. We don't know whether Peter's

(31:44):
got upset about Seymour writing the letter to the UN,
but you'd assume, I mean, it's his patch, isn't it.
So you'd assume you get a bit peeved if someone
was stepping on your toes. Anyway, we'll come to that
with Seymour after five point thirty five this evening. Putin Trump.
After five we're going to speak to the former Australian

(32:04):
ambassador to Russia. The problem with Trump is he's now
the boy who cried wolf. Is Putin really going to
listen to him?

Speaker 15 (32:11):
You know?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Trump is threatening sanctions, He's threatening tariffs against Putin's trading partners,
which would include China. Problem is he's threatened all of
this before, and these secondary tariffs in particular, He's threatened
these before and they haven't happened. And he's threatened and
he's talked big on tariffs to protect America's interests and

(32:36):
yielded on those. So what makes you think he's going
to do anything different for Ukraine country on the other
side of the world, other side of the pond. We'll
talk to the former Australian ambassador to Russia for his
view on how Putin might respond. That's coming up half
the five three to two news talk, said boies Sell.

Speaker 19 (33:08):
We can only ad.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
On aly cotoies not to celebrate.

Speaker 10 (33:19):
Just on away.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust for
the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplicy allan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Good etne A seven a halfter five. The government changing
the lord of force counselors to stick to their knitting,
to stick to their core business. So there's four wellbeing
provisions that the previous Labor government introduced in twenty nineteen, social, economic,
environmental and cultural, and this government says nay get rid
of them. The law change will also require counsels to

(33:58):
regularly report on their financial performance. Hello, I mean I
thought that would have been a requirement anyway. Forces them
also to disclose what they spend on consultants and contractors.
Simon Watts is the local government minister with me. Now, Hello,
good day Ryan, Thanks for having me. Yeah, good to
have you on. Hey, can you give us some example
what exactly are we talking about here? You know, the

(34:21):
wellbeing provisions? Some examples of what councils were doing to
meet them.

Speaker 20 (34:28):
Well, look, I think the key issue is is those
well being four aspects. We're pretty vague overall what we've
done and the changes that we're making as saying, look,
there's five key areas or core services that you need
to deliver public transport, waste, civil defense, libraries, museums, and
network infrastructure. And those are the five things that you

(34:49):
need to do and what councils.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Need to deliver.

Speaker 20 (34:51):
Before it was all pretty vague, and as a result
of that, councilors were doing a whole lot of stuff
that weren't core services.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
So what happens if they've provide something other than one
of those five things? What happens to them?

Speaker 14 (35:04):
Well, look, the.

Speaker 20 (35:05):
Reality is now legislation that they are managed under means
that they have to deliver those core services. If they
are in breach of that, then obviously that's going to
be something that through our additional reporting requirements that we're
putting on them. You know, we'll pick up and also
importantly rate payers will be able to see that as well.

(35:25):
But at the end of the day, you know, if
we have an instance where there's some blatant disregard around
that the end of the day, that'll flows back up
through to the minister.

Speaker 14 (35:33):
We'll have to take a look at that.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
You said that the well being provisions were vague. Aren't
these vague?

Speaker 11 (35:39):
Two?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I mean, isn't it. It's the eye of the behold
that whether they've done enough on transport or whether they've
done enough on waste.

Speaker 20 (35:47):
Well, I don't think they are. I think the five
areas that we've designed of what you would expect and
I think what most rate payers would expect their council
to deliver, you know, picking up the rubbish, making sure
that public transport services are available, water infrastructure, you know,
those are all civil defense, those are all things that
you are bread and butter, core services for counsel. You know, previously,

(36:11):
you know terms like you know, social, cultural and economic
type activities. I mean they were just all catch all
and as a result, as I said, some councils across
the country, we're doing stuff that was basically wasteful spending.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
So some if a council moves from picking up rubbish
once a week to once a fortnite, are they in trouble.

Speaker 20 (36:32):
Well, the reality is is they're going to be judged
by their rate payers in terms of that. You know,
different requirements in different parts of the country, but I
do know that, you know, people have an expectation of
getting those basic services right, and you know councils ratepayers
are pretty good at giving feedback back to council on
whether they're happy or not.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
All right, minister, appreciate you coming on the program tonight.
Simon Watt's Local Government minister. It is ten after five,
which it should just be up to the voters to
decide whether they think they're spending too much money and
if they think that then vote them out. Do we
need central government making laws for local government? Period? The
number text big change in Trump's position on Russia and Putin.

(37:13):
Overnight He's sending weapons to Ukraine through NATO, threatening more
sanctions for Putin and tariffs on Russia's trading partners.

Speaker 12 (37:21):
I'm disappointed and President important because I thought we would
have had.

Speaker 11 (37:25):
A gill two months ago, but it doesn't.

Speaker 14 (37:27):
Seem to get there.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Peter Tesh is former Australian Ambassador to Russia. With me tonight,
Hi Peter, Good day, Ryan, Good to be with you.
Great to have you here. Is this a game changer?
Do you think?

Speaker 11 (37:41):
I think we should acknowledge that this Oval Office meeting
on Ukraine certainly went better than the last one, But
I don't think it is a game changer. Are we
seeing too much fickleness in US policy to think that
this marks a real sea change. But it is an
important signal and a very welcome signal to Ukraine and
NATO that the US won't hinder their efforts to defend

(38:05):
Ukraine at their own expense. But it is certainly not
the kind of knockout blow that I think we need
after three and a half years of Putin's brutal war
of choice.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Does Trump risk looking like the boy who cried Wolfare
he has threatened the secondary tariffs previously and hasn't followed through.

Speaker 14 (38:28):
Well.

Speaker 11 (38:28):
We've seen reports that the Moscow stock exchange rose because
the feared economic stick has turned out for now at
least to be a twig secondary tariffs in fifty days.
That's a very long time. It's a signal to Russia,
look at where your vulnerabilities are, staunch those and get ready.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
But I do think that there is a.

Speaker 11 (38:52):
Little bit more backing now in the form of the
bipartisan draft in the US Senate for imposing more via
sanctions on Russia. There is no doubt that the US
could do more to hurt Russia. So far we haven't
seen Trump taking action that really increases the pressure on

(39:14):
Russia to halt the war that Putin started. But look,
this is really an important moment for Ukraine. It is
the equipping of Ukraine with capabilities it desperately needs to
defend itself against the increasing airborne assault missiles, drones, glide
bombs that Putin is directing its civilian infrastructure and civilians

(39:37):
throughout Ukraine. But precisely how the Kremlin will interpret this
remains to be seen.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, so that's obviously up for debate is how seriously
Russia will take it. But why now from Trump, Why
after six months in office is he taking such an interest.

Speaker 11 (39:58):
Well, that's the critical thing.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I mean, tens of thousands of Ukrainian and indeed Russian
lives might have been saved if Trump had been less
credulous about Putin and if his envoys hadn't merely been
parroting Kremlin talking points for the last six months. So
if I reflect on this from the perspective of my
politically incorrect schoolboy.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
Days in Brisbane forty five years ago, it's a bit
of a duh moment. I mean, have you only just
realized now that Putin has been playing you for a chump?
And I think this is something that has now dawned
on Trump. He's said, in fact, in his meeting with
mark Urrutte, the Secretary General of NATO in the Oval Office,
four times now we thought we had a deal. Well,

(40:40):
perhaps even Trump realizes that after the fourth failed deal,
the other party may not be actually treating in good faith.
So I think he doesn't want to look weak. He
doesn't look like he's being played for a fool, And
that is perhaps for a man who really focuses on cards,
the best card that he has, namely that Plutin has

(41:02):
misjudged the opportunity in much the same way he misjudged
his strategic calculation to start the war in the first
place three and a half years ago.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Peter, appreciate you coming on the show with your analysis tonight,
Peter Tesh, who's a former Australian ambassador to Russia. It's
fourteen after five, Brian, you're on news Talks here, b
we will get nine two nine to the number to text.
By the way, he sounded a little bit like dask
Vata for a second there. I think it was just
the line. Obviously it was the line that's not his voice.

(41:31):
Now interesting the ads that have come up. If you
think about the ads that are on TV today, nowhere
near as good as they used to be. And we
all agree on that. You know, budgets aren't what they were.
People used to spend millions of dollars on tvad campaigns.
Doesn't happen anymore. But the ones that are catching our
eyes quite surprising. There's a top ten list out and

(41:52):
we're going to speak to the guy who ordered one
of these top ten ads. And I think the one
that's that's snuck in there, number nine or ten, I
think it is will quite surprise you. That's next. You
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b David Seymour, Deputy Prime Minister and writer of letters
that get him in trouble with the Prime Minister to
the UN and probably in trouble with the Foreign Minister
as well. We'll talk to him after five point thirty

(43:18):
turns out One of our favorite ads at the moment
is an ad that's been made by AI.

Speaker 9 (43:24):
I'm a real Skinny mobile customer who loves them so
much that I let them digitally clone me using AI.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
The AI generated Skinny ad came in fresh at number
ten of our favorite ads in the country. Tina from
Turners takes out the number one spot. Matt Bain is
marketing and data director at Spark, which owns Skinny, and
he's with meen our Hey, Matt, hey, hoy you going
So how does can you just explain how this ad
was generated? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (43:51):
So, in the past, like low cost brands like skinn,
he wouldn't be able to use CGI. So computer generated
imagery to create scenes. New AI capabilities means that that's
now been democratized. So so brands like Skinny can actually
do things like you know, clony customer and then creates
scenes that wouldn't have been possible on Skinny's budgets.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
This is her name's Liz, isn't it Liz from Kerry.

Speaker 16 (44:15):
Name is Liz yep from from the North Islands.

Speaker 14 (44:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So she's a real because people will know this ad.
I mean, I don't know why, but it sticks in
your mind, doesn't it? Liz is great.

Speaker 21 (44:25):
She actually used to work for Spark many years ago
as a as a technician. She's a loyal Skinny customer,
and Skinny's got this great tradition of like using its
customers and it's advertising.

Speaker 16 (44:34):
So this is kind of an evolution of what Skinny
has always done.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Right, and so she's real and then she's sort of
been cloned and that part of it is cgied and
does that make is it cheap to do?

Speaker 16 (44:46):
Yeah, because it used to be that, you know, it's
Lord of the Ring style.

Speaker 21 (44:49):
CGI is what you used to have to do, which
is a massive production, and now AI makes it possible
to do it, you know, at a fraction of that cost.

Speaker 16 (44:57):
And so for us, you know, it's a really novel
to present our new spokesperson.

Speaker 21 (45:03):
And so Skinny is all about finding new ways, you know,
hacking systems, finding new ways to give customers deals and
new ways to advertise itself. And so we felt that
this technology, particularly when it's new and novel, was an
awesome opportunity to kind of do that.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Do you think that's why people like it because it's
new and novel or is this just a sign that
actually people don't mind AI generation content.

Speaker 21 (45:24):
I think that part of our objective was to educate
people about the fact that this content could be generated
by AI, because there's a lot of fear at the
moment around it, and so we wanted to a use
the novelty. I think over time it will become more
common to be less novel and then you know, it's
hard to cut through advertising, so you're always looking for
something novel to do. So my expectation is as it
becomes more widespread, it will become less powerful as a novelty.

(45:48):
But that's why we've moved fast on it to try
and make the most of that kind of novelty.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
And what sort of deal did Liz get? I mean,
if you keep recreating her and she's not needed anymore,
does she still get paid?

Speaker 21 (46:00):
Well, we're still yeah, we're still using her as well,
so it's not like goodbye Liz, but so she is.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
She got she got a.

Speaker 21 (46:06):
Talent fee, so we worked we had to work around
what does a talent fee look like when you're using
AI as opposed to just recording a one off video.

Speaker 16 (46:12):
And of course and of course she got free Skinny
Mobile for life as well. So added perk on top
of bonus talent.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, Liz is a happy customer. Matt, thank you. Matt
Bin marketing and data director Sparking Zed also owned skinny.
Twenty two minutes after five, must remember that next time
I'm signing a contract and you know they're looking at
the AI clause. One day we won't be needed. Twenty
two minutes after five, News Talk.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Saib informed Inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on
Hither duplic elan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
News Talk dB five on news Talk said, be great
to have your company tonight. David Seymour will be with
us after the news at five point thirty. Yes, we're
in an economic recovery, but it does feel a bit sluggish.
It like it's moving at a glacial pace and maybe
it's just the wintry weather that makes it feel worse
than it really is. Apart from the primary industries, etc.

(47:09):
The farmers, thank you. You guys are doing fantastic, but
the usual levers that we pull to crank things up
and our economy aren't working as well as they used
to right now, housing going sideways or backwards. We spoke
about that this afternoon. Same with immigration, you know, the
tourism rebound that's plateaued, Government debt too high, too many

(47:32):
bureaucrats in Wellington. Still growth recovery it's on, but you know,
faltering a little bit for quarter two. It's like trying
to start a ceased engine, you know, an old larder,
no petrol, no oil, try and get that thing going.
That's kind of how it feels with the economy at
the moment, and I think that's why last night I

(47:52):
was so enthralled to be listening to a podcast on
Argentina and the Argentinian economy this turnaround under the populist libertarian.
They call him a right wing lunatic, Harv Malay. He's
the crazy looking one with long hair. He wore the
sunglasses during his election campaign, used an actual chainsaw during

(48:15):
his campaign rallies to show you what he would do
to government spending, and he has. There's no doubt some
of his stuff wouldn't fly here. He basically believes government
should be limited to defense, foreign affairs, justice. That's pretty
much it. Government is the evil. Taxes are theft, deregulate, privatize,

(48:35):
slash spending. I've been kind of following him a little
bit since he was elected, because he was elected around
the same time as Luxon was here, and the archies
voted for him because economically they were up the creek.
Now they're looking at seven close to eight percent growth
for the year. Inflation come right down. Yes, they have

(48:57):
been through some pain, a world of pain and poverty.
This is a harsh medicine that he's dosing out. But
even that's now improved on when he was elected. Now
we're obviously nowhere near the mismanaged basket case that Argentina
and the Argentinan economy was, But I just think it's

(49:17):
important to remember we could always be going a little harder,
We could always be going a little faster, shifting the
dial quicker than we are at present.

Speaker 22 (49:27):
Ryan Bridge, eight.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Minutes after five News Talk said B nineteen nineteen was
the number to text. So we will speak to David Sigma,
who probably would think we could be going a little
bit faster too. After five point thirty, the little Stoush
feels a little bit like he's in the naughty corner
with the Prime Minister at the moment. So how's he
responding to that? David Seymour after news.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplicy allan drive
with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
News Talk said b.

Speaker 23 (50:29):
Did Anything twenty four away from sex. News Talk said,
be Ryan, can you please give us the full lists?
Is this texture of the ads that won the people's choice?
People voted what are your favorite ads in the country.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
We spoke about skinny, which is the AI generated get
the skinny ads with the you know she's actually a
really skinny woman. I don't know if that was on purpose,
but you know Liz from Kitty Kitty, super skinny woman
fronting the skinny ads. Anyway, She's number ten, so I
will run through for you listener, the top ten turners.

(51:03):
Ten from Turners is number one, which I support ASB
Ben and Amy Actually don't know what that one is.
A and Z the Sharma family know that one. Tucks
feeding the key we and all of our dogs for
seventy years. Great ad one in Z Let's get connected.
Obviously I've just read one of theirs, so I'll be
supporting that one. Thank you very much, pack and say
the stick man. Okay, Genesis, George and the Family Lotto

(51:25):
Powerable Imagine ad campaign, then KFC the Power of KFC.
There's Top ten as skinny, rounding it out twenty three
to six. Brand should have a you turn from David
Seymour Today, after writing an impassioned letter back to the
UN over the weekend defending the Regulatory Standards Bill, the
Minister has been reigned in by the Prime Minister and

(51:48):
reminded basically whose boss as in the Foreign Minister.

Speaker 24 (51:52):
Winston Peters, as our Minister Foreign Affairs, he holds the
relationship with the United Nations. He will have a comprehensive
reply in due course with the United Nations that the letter.
I think all of us in government can read the
letter and say, hey, it's total bunker.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
It turns out Winston Peters asked David for a meeting
on the whole thing yesterday.

Speaker 25 (52:09):
Well, I went to find out how to talk to
David about who is responsible.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Heart works and this is a matter of experience here it's.

Speaker 17 (52:16):
Called the provacy.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
David seeing what is the Deputy Prime Minister with me tonight?
Home Minister, Hey, Ryan, how are you doing good? Thank you?
Did Winston just tell reporters you're the inexperienced one, or
are we reading Are we reading into this too much?

Speaker 13 (52:31):
I think everyone's reading far too much into it. There's
lots of people in the media and I'm sad to
count you among them that seem to have a fantasy
that this is some huge conflict that I've been rained
in and making a U tune. Lest be very clear,
I absolutely stand by the letter. In fact, what I'm
hearing from people is actually they love the letter and

(52:52):
kind of would love to say that to the U
in In terms of the practicalities of it, I was
under the impression that we should reply to the parts
of the letter that related to our particular responsibilities in
my case regulation. Winston came and said, look, really I
need to respond on behalf of the government, myself as
the Minister of Foreign Affairs. I said, that's absolutely fine,

(53:16):
and subsequently caught up with course, who I think is
fair to say loves the letter too. He said that
what the UN wrote was buncom but it's just a
matter of who replies and what sequence, and turned out
I'm a bit too efficient answering my correspondence.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
So the no, you say, there's no U tune but
did you unsend the letter?

Speaker 13 (53:35):
Well, I will, but in terms of what the messages,
the same message is going out. It's just a matter
of formatting.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Who's sending it. But so how do you undersend the letter?

Speaker 13 (53:46):
Well, I still got to work that out, of course,
I just got to. I got a check that I'll
probably have to go through Winston because you know, he
probably doesn't want me to write direct to the UN. Again,
I think that would probably miss the whole point of
the exercise. So look, I've sought that out. But the
end of the day, you know, everyone in our governments
united on one thing that what the UN wrote to

(54:08):
us was, well, what did Chris A bunkom? And we
got to send a response. And I said to Winston, look,
I don't mind polly my letter back as long as
the one you eventually right makes the same points.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
And he said to me, you won't be disappointed. So
look forward to seeing that.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
You all agree on the substance of it. It's just
about who's pushing the button, who's hitting set.

Speaker 13 (54:25):
Well, yeah, there's and there's one other thing that bear
in mind that you know, the UN letter actually targeted
about five different ministers, So he now wants to get
together everybody is and put it in one response, which
is fine.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
And the coalition agreement between the Zealand First and Nationalism
I mean anyway, it was quite wide ranging, very quickly.
While we've got you Lux and the Prime Minister, I
should say, said yesterday he thinks the idea of a
regulatory standards bill is good. He said, ah, regulatory standards
bill and talked about improvements. You know, would be silly
not to make the changes. He doesn't seem totally convinced

(54:59):
of the bill. What exactly have you guys agreed to?
Is it as the bill as you want it? Or
is it the bill as it ends up?

Speaker 13 (55:07):
Well, it's the bill as I would like to see it,
because this is the commitment from the other two parties
to acts. There's things that those guys want to do
that we support. If we're honest, we probably all come
to the government with slightly different views. X thinks that
the biggest basic problem we have in this country is
too much red tape in regulation. That's why it's hard

(55:29):
to build your supermarket, it's hard to build homes, hard
to open a bank account. I mean, it all comes
back to too much red tape at the end of
the day, it pushes up the cost of everything. So
it's fair to say this is our drive, but ultimately
are committed to in the agreement the Regulatory Standards Bill.
But of course you know we there will be changes.

(55:52):
There's changes to every bill that it's ever been through
Parliament and history, but we're pretty clear that there's some
core principles that need to be there.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
If you're not strong, you're not going to bring the
government down over it.

Speaker 13 (56:03):
Well, I can't imagine that they would reneg on the
deal and make that necessary. So I can't see them
putting me in that position. Every other coalition commitment to
date has been kept and I would expect that. You
know what that brings to the table is we've got
to get serious about regulation in this country. We're going

(56:24):
to solve our other problems and you know that's what
we expect our partners to be serious about too.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
They see Act Leader, Minister of Regulation, Deputy Prime Minister.
It is eighteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
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Speaker 2 (56:40):
On the Huddle tonight. Stuart Nash, former Labor minister. Hey Stuart,
you emerge, good thank you? And Tim Wilson's here from
the maximums to to hey Tim, good.

Speaker 22 (56:48):
Evening, Good evening. How's it going good?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Thank you? It's it's it's a delicate balancing act, Stewart,
isn't it well? The sort of awkward three way these
guys are in it is not delicate.

Speaker 14 (57:01):
I mean I just listened that Data Sima interview. I
mean what you know, he says he's too efficient in
replying to his correspondence. You've got Winston Peters, who is
our most experienced diplomat, walking a real tight rope in
international affairs, and I think doing a fantastic job, and
you get this little David Seymour cutting right across his path.
I think you know, I'd have loved to have been

(57:23):
in a fire in the warf at that meeting. I
suspect it wasn't as cordial as David made it out
to be. I think Winston would have been absolutely furious
with this guy. And you've got no sense of contrition
there at all. I mean, I don't disagree with the
content of the lead. I don't think anyone does. But
the fact that he didn't know that you know. Winston
Peters is the guy who deals with New Zealand's affairs
on the global stage and just just sends off a

(57:45):
letter of his own accurt I mean, what planet is
this guy on?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I don't know? Is it that big of a deal.

Speaker 14 (57:52):
It just goes to Seamore acting on his He's just
a bit of an arrogant little toss in my view everybody.

Speaker 22 (57:58):
I mean, yeah, I did like the thing, you know,
when he said I was too efficient. My correspond's a
bit like a job in tod Win someone when you're asking, now,
tell us your biggest weakness. Well, my biggest weaknesses that
I have absolutely no weaknesses at all. I actually I've
got to say I think that in a sense everyone
wins here politically. David Seymour gets to be the naughty boy,

(58:18):
the role he cherishes. Chris Luxon gets to be the
angry dad, a role he doesn't play possibly often enough,
and the un staggers Island in substances as penrmal So
everyone's happy.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Stuart Na's Tim Wilson on the huddle. We're back with
the rest of the day's big stories.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Next the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the
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Speaker 2 (58:41):
News Talk ZMB. It is thirteen minutes away from six
the Huddle Tonight's Stuart Nation Tim Wilson, Stuart, I have
to say you've really set the cat amongst the pigeons,
the text machines going nuts.

Speaker 14 (58:55):
Of David Seymour knows no bounds and he is the
Deputy Prime Minister. And in my world that's carries a
little bit of weight and you've got to act with
dignity and he just does not act with dignity. Arrogant
seems to be the way forward to David, and he
is a blind spot because he doesn't realize when he's
done something wrong. He just charges right on through.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
And he says, Stud it's a knob Ryan. He's definitely
standing for New Zealand first. He's a greaser, no respect
for him anyway, We'll move on, We'll move on.

Speaker 22 (59:23):
Hey, don't take it. Don't let the text machine take
up too much space in your head. Stewart, It's not
a good outcome there.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Australia is debating at the moment whether or not to
put quite prominent labels on their alcoholic drinks, cancer warnings
on the alcoholic drinks. Other countries are lowering their safe
drinking guidelines, and ours are actually way above most other
countries that we would compare ourselves to. Tim, Do you

(59:52):
think we need to do anything about that?

Speaker 22 (59:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm actually wondering why we're worried about
drinks because last time I checked, didn't I'm use double
in a year. I mean, we're in the safe guidelines
for matheuse. And I say that, you know, in terms,
I'm just saying it sort of in a somewhat I'm
trying to be a bit dry about it, because the
question about safe guidelines for drinking, how applicable is it? Actually?

(01:00:15):
Like when was the last time you're at the pub
and someone turned to you and said, I've reached number
fourteen for the week, I'm going to go home.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Exactly do you think? I mean they put Stuart, they
put in fact, you might have been in when they
did this, put you know, don't drink while pregnant labels
on wine. I think it was a couple of years ago,
and it doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 14 (01:00:37):
It's a little die winning in this. I mean, if
you want to drink twenty pints a night. You're never
going to you're never going to reach a hundred. But
you know, I mean, most key Wes enjoy a beer
with their mates without seeing a big cancer warning on it.
I mean, we know tobacco's bad for you, They've got
that all over the place. But you know, I mean,
I don't want to drink a bottle of wine with
my wife. Will go for beer with my mates, and

(01:00:58):
all I see is don't drink your end up with cancer.
For God's sake, talk about Kildren.

Speaker 22 (01:01:05):
We drink down again, Stuart, Probably cancers the least of
your worries if you're drinking a bottle of wine with
your wife. I'll just put it. I'll just put it
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
No, you're right, because they're quite occasion, because they're quite okay,
they're quite ugly. You know, if you think about the
labels they have on cigarettes, if you could imagine that
on an alcoholic drink, that would that would probably have
some impact, I would think, because it's not.

Speaker 22 (01:01:27):
Exactly the picture of a turma is going to take
the fun out of a chardonnaye like no tomorrow. And also,
as you compare us, what are we we're fifteen. Well,
number one, we're sexist because I think it's fifteen for
men and ten for women. The Aussies interesting, they're both
men and women. They're allowed ten a week. The UK's fourteen,
the US is fourteen. So we're sort of I don't know,

(01:01:48):
are we that we like to think we can punch
above our weight. We're about what the big boys.

Speaker 14 (01:01:53):
Well, well, we all know that, you know, the drinking
when you reach your sutain age, drink too much. They
never eny well, but the game. If you want to
have a quiet beer with your mates or a wine
with your your wife, where you want to go out
on a boy's weekend, then you know the last thing
you want to see is these bloody tumors and cancel
winnings over everything. I mean, we do know, we do
know that that tobacco is bad for You're right, I mean,

(01:02:14):
that's that's proven beyond doubts. So I don't mind seing
that sort of stuff on. I mean, who smokes these days,
don't know we're want to smoke. In terms of drinking,
I mean ship as people, people enjoy gens to socialize
and catch up with their mates and have a good
time they don't want to see that happens.

Speaker 22 (01:02:29):
Stuart, I've just got one question, what's the age when
it's too much? What age is that when you stop?
When you cut down about one.

Speaker 14 (01:02:37):
Hundred and five? But well, you know, the wine industry
says a couple of glasses of red wine is actually
not bad for your brain. But so you know, let's
go with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
You just keep going until it well until it killed you. Basically, Stuart,
thank you. You've still people are still texting about your
Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister with us and maybe seem
to be he's on first Minister Tim Wilson from the
Maximum Institute on the huddle tonight, Cheers guys. Nine minutes
away from six zer on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
News Talks MB. It's six minutes away from six after six.
We will look at this ComCom court case against the
foodstust North Island. They are alleging and it's a civil
case that they're taking. They are alliging cartel like behavior.
So how do you prove that in court? What exactly

(01:03:38):
is the legislation around that. We'll look at it after
six o'clock this evening, Ryan, Are we going to see
obesity images next to donuts in the supermarket aisle? This
is after? You know, with Booze? Do we put a
cancer label on the front of Booze? Personally? I think
people already know. I mean, if I eat a donut

(01:03:58):
or ten, I know what it's doing to me. If
I drink a beer or ten, I know what it's
doing to me. I mean, people aren't stupid. Are they
so putting a label on it? Is that going to
stop behavior? I don't think so, personally, Ryan. David Seima
has been a liability since the lead up to the
twenty twenty three election when he said we might just

(01:04:19):
sit on the crossbenches act then dropped the party percentage.
That is true. It really turned people off. It's people
been a bit funny on David seymore after that, and
he's still threatening to do it basically over the relitery
standards bill. On the show tonight, five minutes away from
six now Roaming Dogs dog attacks on the up. We've

(01:04:39):
all heard the stories, You've a seen the headlines, you've
all read the stories. You're lucky to walk down the
street and walk around the block without being bitten by
a dog. Basically at the moment. Organ Council has come
out today and said that they addressed that there's a problem,
acknowledged there's a problem, but they need more tools in
the toolbox from the government. They need lead to slit

(01:05:00):
of change to actually do something about it. One of
the things they're asking for is mandatory desexing for impounded
dogs before they are returned to their owners. If your
dog is at the stage where it's impounded, I would
have assumed that that would be automatical, that it would
be d sex before it. Apparently that's not the case.

(01:05:21):
They just handed back to the owners and off they
go to keep reading. No wonder the problem is so
out of hand. How is that not a rule already?
So all can counsel now going to the government saying
we want this fixed. So well, hopefully someone does something
about that, otherwise people keep getting bitten by dogs on
the street. Four away from six. We'll look at that

(01:05:43):
ComCom case next here on Newstalk set.

Speaker 8 (01:05:46):
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and the Brady in the UK for us before trop

(01:07:02):
of the are as well. Right now, Foodstuff's North Island
you might have heard about this in the news today
and it's subsidiary Gilmore's Wholesale are being taken to court
for what the Commerce Commissioner is calling cartel conduct. The
comcomon ledges that the two supermarkets pressured a grocery supplier
to sell to them rather than directly to another business.

(01:07:24):
Foodstuffs North Island is denying any wrongdoing in its practices.
Andy Matthews is a competition lawyer at Matthew's Law and
is with me tonight. Hi, Andy Ran, good to have
you on the Showie, very well, thank you. What do
you make of the case that the Commerce commission Well,
what we know of the case that they're taking.

Speaker 17 (01:07:45):
Yeah, look, that's a good point.

Speaker 25 (01:07:46):
We don't have the details and it's just allegations at
this stage until it goes through the court process.

Speaker 17 (01:07:53):
But I guess look backdrop, there's a.

Speaker 25 (01:07:57):
Few things going on. New Zealand law as some of
the broadest sort of cartel laws in the world, and
what is defined as a cartel provision and a contract
arrangement or understanding is a lot broader than you or
I might have thought before this law was passed, and
certainly even a lot of lawyers get a bit confused
on this. It's pretty much any agreement between actual or

(01:08:17):
potential competitors which relates to price, quality, capacity, supply, all
of those things. And what it means is pretty much
any agreement with an actual potential competitor probably has a
cartel provision and it's up to then to the party
who's entered into the alleged cartel provision to demonstrate that

(01:08:38):
an exception and the Commerce Act applies, and that there
are ones for sort of collaborations of joint ventures, you know,
joint buying groups, but also something called vertical supply, and
it's the onus is on the defendant. But what we
don't know here is whether you know, food Stuffs and
Gildwalls have just gone to this play and said, hang on,

(01:08:59):
you supply ours, we supply them, you also supply them
that we enter an exclusive supply agreement, and we think
that's a protected vertical supply under this exception in the
Commerce Act. I'm just speculating.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I'm not saying it does.

Speaker 25 (01:09:11):
I'm not saying it doesn't. But the Commerce Commission is
obviously incredibly concerned about independent supply to that doesn't have
to go through the supermarket, so that say, for example,
a new supermarket player can get direct access and suppliers
are free to and free of of fear of sanction

(01:09:33):
and those sorts of things. And the Commission's media release
says that the supplier wanted to supply the hospitality customer directly,
but they were quote persuaded to sell to food Stuffs
and gilmore so sort of routed all that way rather
than competing with food Stuffs to sell the product to
the hospitality customer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
So, just speaking generally, let's move away from these two
businesses in particular. But if you wanted to defend, like
somebody comes along and says, right, you're being anti competitive
because you're stopping you know, this business from being able
to buy the honey or whatever it is. Then can
can your excuse be, well, I'm I'm wanting to be

(01:10:14):
the exclusive provider of this product and that's why we're
signing this deal and you're not allowed to sign a
deal with someone else. Is there a legitimate excuse?

Speaker 14 (01:10:24):
Well, it can be.

Speaker 25 (01:10:26):
But taking a step back, is you raised a very
good point. You talked about competition.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
Nowhere in my.

Speaker 25 (01:10:30):
Description of the Cartel prohibition did I mention competition. And
the reason is it's sort of as a type of law,
it's deemed to be bad no matter what. It doesn't
even talk about competition. There's nothing in the cartel provision prohibition.
And this is where it's a bit weird. If a
bunch of doctors say let's reduce our prices, and they
will agree that that is a cartel provision, So then

(01:10:53):
there's also a general competition test. There's a misuse of
market power if it's anti competitive, and there are contracts
that's are anti competitive and prizing if the Commission isn't
alleging that as part of its statement acclaim. But the
thing about the cartel provisions it's a bit like the
Fair Trading Act. It's kind of they've got you. If
they've got you, they don't have to prove anti competitive harm,
just that you've entered this restrictive agreement. But that's why

(01:11:15):
the exceptions are so important. But I should have mentioned
you raise a good point is there's still a general
competition thing. So if they say no, no, it's okay,
it falls within the vertical supply exception, Well that's going
to be matter for the courts.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
It's new law.

Speaker 25 (01:11:27):
The Commission have quite a narrower perspective on what that
exception covers to some others and what's protected and what's not.
So the fallback is a competition argument, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Is it would an exclusive deal be okay or not?
Is that even?

Speaker 25 (01:11:44):
Well, it can be. People do it all the time,
but they do need to be aware of the law
and that the law is really complex and really counterintuitive.
Like if I start by saying, as I did to you, Oh,
any agreement with a competitor has probably got a cartel
provision it that's that's not that much of an exaggeration,
and that's our starting point. So then you need to

(01:12:05):
review it and you go does this fit within one
of those exceptions? Do we need to pull it back
a bit so that it falls within the wording of
the law and the sort of the the spirit of
the law.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
And it's quite a hard thing to prove.

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
Well, yeah, it could be.

Speaker 17 (01:12:21):
Yeah, this is the first case.

Speaker 25 (01:12:22):
This is the first case testing this sort of stuff
that that that I'm aware of as human that it's
not settled, because quite often these cartel cases are settled
because it can be. It can be hard to to
prove prove that that it's okay. Look, I don't know
whether this is hard or not, because I don't like you.
I've got a bit of a bit of a guide
from the Commission in terms of the media release. But

(01:12:45):
it's it's the Commissioner obviously take it pretty seriously. They
are wanting to be a braver and boulder litigants as
they been asked to be by the Commission. It's fair
to say that hasn't they haven't. They haven't contested as
much through the courts on pure competition grounds. It's tended
to be these types of cartel cases. The interesting thing
about this that you haven't asked about is, and having

(01:13:08):
done a bit of grocery work. I'm a bit of
a geek about this. Is there's something called literally the Geeker,
which is the Grocery Industry Competition Act, and that includes
a code of conduct and one of the big prohibitions,
or one of the big requirements, is that the regulated
grocery retailers, so that's the two food stuff's companies and
will always have to act in good faith in their

(01:13:30):
dealings with suppliers. So for me, that's a particularly interesting
aspect to this because good faith is, you know, it's
sort of one of those things we don't know quite
how our court interprets what's good faith and what's not
good faith. And I think the Commission have bided their
time to pick the case that they think is the

(01:13:51):
right one. And I don't think they will have issued,
you know, we'll haven't issued the proceedings yet, but that said,
they're going to. I don't think they'll have done this lightly.
But I do wonder whether for Stuffs might say, well,
come on vertical supply agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
It's okay, yeah, right, Andy, I'll keep an eye on
that Geeker. The Geeker, and when the case goes through court,
appreciate your time. This Evening, Andy Matthews competition law with
US explaining that case it's been taken by the Commerce
Commission against Food Stuffs North Island and its subsidiary Gilmore's Wholesale.
Fourteen after six, You're on News Talks HEB. Jamie McKay

(01:14:23):
is next with a potential loophole in the government's ban
on farm forestry conversions.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
You're on News Talks b seventeen after six Now Jamie
McKay is with US host of the Country Jamie Good Evening.

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
Got a Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Now, beef price is hitting record highers than the US,
just in time for the barbecue season over there.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
Well, yeah, Americans, I think burgers, hamburgers all year round.
That's what they want our beef for. But unbelievable prices
in the US at the moment, Ryan bodeswell for American
consumers to continue to pay the base tariff rate of
ten percent. That is, of course, of the base tariff
rate stays.

Speaker 26 (01:15:18):
At ten percent.

Speaker 9 (01:15:18):
That's another story for another day. But my US correspondent,
a guy from Lexington, Kentucky, was on the show today.
They had one thousand pounds stairs well just over one
thousand pounds in imperial measurements, and they sold for over
three thousand US per head. That's over five thousand New
Zealand dollars per cattle beast. Now I did some maths

(01:15:40):
on this one. Those thousand and thirty eight pounds are
quate to four hundred and seventy two kilos, which equates
to six dollars thirty eight a kilogram US dollars. Convert
that to New Zealand dollars at a sixty cent exchange rate,
you've got ten dollars sixty three and that is running round.

Speaker 17 (01:15:58):
In the paddock that's on the hoof.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Ryan.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
By the time you process that animal and get the
yield at sixty percent I sixty percent meat, forty percent
the rest is thrown away. That equates to seventeen dollars
seventy per kilogram in New Zealand money. Currently, New Zealand
farmers are being paid eight to eight dollars fifty a
kilogram for beef, so they're paying enormous prices for beef

(01:16:23):
in the US at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Yeah, it sounds like it too, Jamie Beef and Lamb
here and the Meat Industry Association pointing out some potential
loopholes on the government's plan for a ban on farmer
forestry conversions. What's happening with this, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:16:38):
Well they're saying they need to tighten some of these
loopholes because there's too many people sneaking through. And I'm
with them on this when I think we're almost shutting
the stable door after the horse has bolted. Because the
government made the announcement on the fourth of decemb By
last year down on Southland, there's been heaps of conversions happening,
some going through the back door since then. So what
they're saying is they want the government to extend the

(01:17:01):
proposed mauratorium on whole farm conversions blanket planting of farms
to all land classes, not just classes one to five.
Otherwise they're saying it's just going to have too big
an effect on the pastoral industry in this country. They're
also saying, and this is another one, New Zealand's the
only country in the world ryan aside from Kazakhstan that

(01:17:24):
places no restrictions on the use of forestry offsets. We're
allowed hundred percent offsetting here for exalting plantings to go
into the etes. No other country but Kazakhstan does that.
And they're throwing some numbers out there just for good measure.
They're saying since twenty seventeen, and the forestry people will
probably argue against these, but they're saying since twenty seventeen,

(01:17:47):
three hundred thousand hectares of whole sheep and beef farms
have been sold to forestry interests. Some of it, to
be fair, is into production forestry. They're estimating a further
fifty thousand hectares is going to go before these new
rules take effect later this year. They're saying this could
lead to a million hectares lost by the year twenty fifty.

(01:18:08):
They're saying these land use changes could reduce livestock numbers
by two and a half million stock units and shrink
the sheep and beef sectors grassland base by up to
twenty percent. So they're not good numbers. Yes, the problem continues.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Hey, what about fed farmers Because we've spoken before about
groundswell right behind pulling out of the Paris Agreement, but
fed farmers not lobbying the government to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:18:34):
No, well fed farmers has gone into bat with other
industry good bodies like dairy and zed and beef and
lamb on this one. President Wayne Langlet is a fairly
solid sort of thinker, to my way of thinking, said
he sat in rooms with dairy company leaders who say
that it could shave as much as three dollars off
the dairy price a kilogram of milk solids, So why

(01:18:55):
would we even be talking about it. On contrast, that
groundswell Lawrence I was going to say, he's a rugby referee. Hello, Bryce,
if you're listening, Bryce mackenzie isn't surprised, he said. Federated
Farmers normally take a more conservative line than they do
and they could be working strategically with the government. He says,

(01:19:15):
though Federated Farmers had better be careful because they're a
subscription paying organization. If they don't do what their members want,
they mightn't get those subscriptions. He says, should I say
the Kate Kate Ackland from Beef and Land, New Zealand
says we would join a small group of countries outside
the agreement if we got out of Paris, Libya, Yemen, Iran,

(01:19:39):
Eritrea and South Sudan. She did neglect, however, to mention
the elephant or the orange elephant in the room the US.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, a good point too, Jamie. Thank you for that,
Jamie McKay, host of the Country. Here on News Talks Big.
It's twenty two minutes after six.

Speaker 11 (01:19:54):
Come out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Next we'll get to show business and inside the next
half hour we will speak to Hope from the Financial
Services Council. They're calling for a tax rebate. If you
pay health insurance. They reckon you should get a bit
of tax back or you should have your taxable income
decreased as a result of that. And lord knows it's
very expensive, isn't it. Twenty three after six.

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Harry Potter TV series. This is fourteen years since the
last Harry Potter premiered in Cinemas. HBO released a first
look today of the new Harry Potter in this Gryffindor robes. Today,

(01:20:51):
he'll be played by Sorry of Harry Potter. In his
Gryffindor Robes, He'll be played by eleven year old Scottish
actor Dominic mclach Backland. Each season is rumored to follow
one of these seven books, although some super fans online
are concerned about how much can be covered in a
season of TV.

Speaker 27 (01:21:10):
I'm really hoping they make the seasons different episode lengths
for different books, because obviously the first two books are
like three hundred pages long and the last three are
like double that. The Philosopher's Stolen season could easily be
like six to eight episodes long, but then Order of
the Phoenix should be like eighteen episodes minimum if you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
It Premier is streaming services in twenty twenty seven. I've
ever been into Harry Potter. Answer, you're a big Harry
Potter fans.

Speaker 28 (01:21:34):
No, producer Laura is the big Harry Potter fans. To
be fair, I was at the right age though, where
I have read the whole series and I can assure
you you do not need eighteen episodes for book five,
Order of the Phoenix. Just cutting the bloats out of that,
You've got about three episodes worth of content in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
But anyway, yeah, I'm not going to be watching it.
Is this the one that's the directors of the writer
Jackie Rowling? It was all the controversy because they got
her involved with the project. This is the one, obviously.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Outcome of that. She's been heavily involved. People don't like
her because she's against the trans whatever. There was a
big hooh about it. Anyway, it looks like it's coming out.
Twenty twenty seven is when it drops. If you're a
Harry Potter fan like Laura, I won't be watching it. Sorry, HBO.
Ryan Bridge coming up after the news at six thirty,

(01:22:24):
Kirk Hope is on the show talking about if you pay.
I don't want to know how much we pay my
husband and I, but it's it's hundreds of dollars. I
know that at least this is for health insurance. It's
for life insurance, just insurance up the wazoo. And there
are calls for people like me to get a text rebate.
Is that a good idea? How do we feel about

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that I will talk to Kirk Hope about that. Plus
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Is just meet me at twenty five away from seven.
You're on News Talks, EDB. This is a bit grim,
but from the Grim files. In Germany today, this is
a hearing that's begun. You might have heard about this
in the news in October or around September last year
when they arrested the guy, but the case is now
going through court. Some of the details are starting to

(01:23:53):
come out. This is in Berlin. It's a trial of
a German palliative care doctor accused of mo hitering fifteen
of his patients. He used sedatives and would set fire
to their homes to try and cover up the crimes.
This is what's been alleged in court forty years old.

(01:24:13):
Cops say he would make a house call, so there's
your first warning sign. House call had the intention, they claim,
of murdering his victims when he would go to their house.
Patients had no idea obviously what was going on, and
the reason that the alarm was raised was one of
his colleagues realized after five of his patients died by

(01:24:35):
fire that something might be off. Yes, so anyway, quite
a grim case, but we will hear more about it
over the coming weeks. And I was thinking, if you
are a serial killer, you want it to be a
serial killery. You're that way inclined. Medicine is kind of
like hiding in plain sight, isn't it. That would be
You know, you got your lacy letbigs. It's a good

(01:24:55):
it's a good disguise, I suppose, is what I'm saying.
So just you know, look out time a doctor comes
around to your house. Twenty three to seven, kiwis. We
are quick to ensure our belongings, but less keen to
ensure ourselves. A new report from the Financial Services Council
shows that we're twice as likely to have insurance protection

(01:25:16):
for our car than we are for our health or life.
They say small changes to FBT to fringe benefit tax
could increase the number of employees with medical insurance covered
and that would be good for productivity, that would be
better for New Zealand. Kirk Hope is the Chief Executive
of the Financial Services Council and is with me tonight.
Hey Kirk hey, right?

Speaker 14 (01:25:37):
How he does?

Speaker 11 (01:25:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Good, thank you, Good to have you on the show.
How many people have health insurance in New Zealand?

Speaker 26 (01:25:46):
So about thirty percent of the population has health insurance.
So again, so if you look at comparable OECD countries
like Australia, it's about fifty percent in Australia. So we
are pretty under insured in terms of selling in health insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Suppose it's different from compared to ensuring your car or whatever.
We do have a public health system, right, so the
presumably people are relying on that.

Speaker 26 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I think possibly over relying on it as well,
because again, the idea you know, that we've pushed out
there today is that if you enable more people to
access private health insurance by making it cheaper, and that's
by removing fringe benefit tax on it, which is a
tax on an employer who is providing health insurance to

(01:26:35):
their employee of fifty percent, So it's not inconsequential, right.
It's quite different in New Zealand compared to say Australia,
where if you as a person, as an individual, you
don't have health insurance, you by the age of thirty
you get taxed more. So we create a disincentive for

(01:26:56):
employers to provide it, whereas places like Australia they say, actually,
personally we're going to provide a distance interview, not to
have it. So there are some opportunities here to kind
of do things a little bit differently.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I think, what is that. Have you obviously got some ideas,
You've got this report, have you taken it to the government.
What are they telling you?

Speaker 26 (01:27:19):
I mean, I guess the key thing for any government
is what is it going to cost us? Right, So
we're working through that with the government at the moment.
We have a view that actually the overall economic benefits
would be a lot more than the fiscal cost, and
particularly over time.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
The other thing that I think.

Speaker 26 (01:27:39):
Enabling more employer provided schemes what it would do is
enable you know, kind of lower income workers to access
private health insurance. And that's probably one of the biggest
things because if you talk to people who have had
it in the impact on your families and then they
can get back to work, they can get an operation
that is an elect because peace colective surgery might not

(01:28:02):
be covered by ACC you might not be able to
access the public health system in a timely fashion.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Whatever, you've got some form of private health insurance and
they was to get back into the workplace. The biggest
thing is impact understantly. So those things are I think
critically we genuinely had to think about this in a
different way and other countries that have done it it
is making a big difference. As I said, in Australia,

(01:28:27):
fifty percent of people have private health insurance and it
means that they can get back into the workplace pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Kirk, interesting stuff. Appreciate your time to fight Kirk co
Financial Services Council Chief Executive time is nineteen away from seven.
Ryan text on this Actually it's interesting for people, Brian.
Tax breaks on healthcare is a no brainer. Rebates for
going private will just ease the pressure on the public system. Ryan,
we used to get a tax rebate if we paid

(01:28:53):
for medical insurance, as this text had it in the
nineteen nineties. Then FBT came out. I kept going with
it until I was sixty eight and it was unaffordable
for me. But it reduced the burden on public hospitals
and reduced how much we had to pay for specialists.
Why shouldn't those folk who look after their own and
their families get a tax break. It helps the country

(01:29:16):
and reduces pressure on the public health system. So there
we go, eighteen away from seven. Now the Aussies are
voting on their all time favorite one hundred Aussie songs,
and everyone is getting in on the action, except for
Anthony Albanezi, who is a cop out and refusing to
pick one, instead picking ten among them Cold Chisels, Flame Trees,

(01:29:38):
You and Mis, Purple Sneakers and Midnight Oil's beds are burning?
Who picks ten when they asked for one? Anyway? Andy Lee?

(01:29:59):
For those who, Army's a well known TV and radio
host over there, He's picked powder Finger, Whatever makes you Happy?
Whatever made you look this song doesn't. Musicians are getting
into it too. The Veronicas have picked up John Farnum's
You're the Voice. This is the choice of NRL star

(01:30:33):
Connor Watson. It's floom for those unfamiliar holding on a
great song. Tell me what your favorite ever Ozzie song is?
Nine two nine two, and I'll share mine with you.
Just before seven News Talk, said.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
B approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan
Bridge with the business OL and Mes insurance and investments.
Crue your wealth, Protect your future news.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Dogs v.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Fourteen away from seven. The OSSI's pecking their favorite song
and kiwis doing the same tonight, Ryan without a doubt.
It's ac DC Highway to Hell, says this Texter Ryan
Timy Kangaroo down Sports is another and lots of Jimmy
Barnes votes as well. We'll get to what I think
is the best Australian song ever produced, well one of them. No,

(01:31:27):
let's say it is. I'm doing an OL vote. It
is the best, okay, and I'll play it for you.
Just before seven o'clock tonight. Hey, over in New York,
you know they've got the Democratic primary won by mum Dani.
This is the super socialist hard left, you know, Chloe
on steroids guy, he's rent freezers, you name it, He's
for it. So he wins the Democratic primary. And then Cuomo,

(01:31:51):
who was the former governor also up for the Democratic
primary but lost. He's now going it alone. He's going
to run as an independent. And I was thinking, is
he even got you know, will he even get close?
Do they even elect non democratic MIAs in New York City?
And the answer at these they do. Remember Rudy Giuliani

(01:32:13):
not that long ago in Bloomberg as well. We're both Republicans,
so he's in with a shot. Be interesting to follow that.
Rice thirteen away from seven Ryan Bridge in the Brady
is a UK correspondent in the Welcome to the program.

Speaker 17 (01:32:25):
Hey Ryan, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Good to talk to you too. How many billionaires have
quit the UK in the last two years? This has
been a big issue for you guys.

Speaker 17 (01:32:34):
Yeah, a lot of wealth draining out of the UK.
And the answer is eighteen dollars billionaires have left Britain
inside the past two years now. The previous Conservative government
decided to take a look at taxation for extremely wealthy
foreigners and they had this non domicile rule, they call
it the non dom rule. Previously you were able to

(01:32:57):
live here, pay UK tax on your UK earning, but
they would ignore your global earnings. And then the conservatives
decided that actually, these very wealthy people earning money from
all over the world, they should be taxed on all
their other earnings as well in the UK. So by
bringing that rule in, you know, these are very financially

(01:33:18):
fluid people. They can move very quickly, and they've decided
eighteen of them, these billionaires, they've had enough, so they've
moved to places like Switzerland, Italy, Monaco and Dubai far
more favorable tax regimes where they're not that interested in
your global earnings. But it's a big problem for Starmer.
Now that is eighteen dollar billionaires gone in two years.

Speaker 10 (01:33:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Now speaking of wealthy Jimmy Choo shoe boss and she
inns what five hundred k a year and she's been
court driving without insurance in London, Yes, and she had.

Speaker 17 (01:33:52):
Been driving around London in her one hundred and forty
thousand dollars Audi for four months without insurance, the court
was told yesterday. Hannah Coleman is her name. She has
been in charge of Jimmy Chew for five years. If
you're not familiar with the brand, they are a very
expensive pair of ladies shoes. Five years she's been running
the company she's been there from almost the start of

(01:34:14):
her career, worked her way up and she told the
court that she paid the insurance but it bounced back
and she didn't realize that the payment had failed. And
then there was a follow up email which the court
accepts did not accept that she hadn't read. So obviously
the onus is on the driver to have a car insured.

(01:34:36):
The end result is a lot of embarrassing publicity for her.
She had a child, her daughter in the car with
her as well when she was stopped in Chelsea in
West London. She's probably going to lose her license for
six months over this. She's on half a million dollars
a year and she had no insurance on that OUDI.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Goodness may now Greg Wallace, we've spoken about him in
the past. This is the Mastership housed the scandal weever
poured out this week, but now there's a new allegation
against one of the other presenters.

Speaker 17 (01:35:05):
Yes, so his co host is John Turoud, who's a
very famous Australian chef who's made it big in the UK,
and Wallace and John Turoud were together for best part
of two decades presenting Master Chef. So Greg Wallace, he
won't be appearing anywhere ever. Again, I don't think forty
five allegations against him upheld. And for the sake of transparency,

(01:35:26):
now John Turoud has come out on social media and
said that there was an allegation upheld against another individual,
and he said that individual is me. Now it relates
to a social occasion he believes in twenty eighteen or
twenty nineteen. He says he has no recollection of this
and he does not accept that it happened, but he's
telling the story anyway. And he said that there was

(01:35:47):
an allegation he used a racially offensive word at a
socially gathering to someone for which he immediately apologized. Now,
John Turold says racially inappropriate language is completely wrong in
any environment. He says he does not remember the incident
and he doesn't accept that it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
So there you go.

Speaker 17 (01:36:06):
The problem the BBC bosses now have is they've got
an entire series of Master Chef filmed ready to go,
starring Greg Wallace and John Tyrold.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
What do you do? A nightmare? I don't even be
that position. And to thank you and the Brady are
UK correspondent, it is nine away from seven. We'll get
to the Aussie songs next.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
It's the Heather Too per Se Alan Drive Full Show
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Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
News Talk Zibby. It's six minutes away from seven. So
the Aussies are picking your favorite Australian song, which is
such an Australian thing to do, isn't it? Why were
the best and why now? Anyway? Albaneze has picked ten
in true political I'll take every vote. Feshion Ryan, my
Aussie favorite, says Terry is if You're Happy and you

(01:36:56):
Know It by the Wiggles. I guess it counts. I
guess count. Simon says horses. That is a great song.
Ron says minute work down Under. Actually there's a few
votes so that SOO likes it too. So I'm going
to play for you in just a second what my
favorite song is. And have you got a favorite Australians?

Speaker 28 (01:37:14):
Oh here that always gets really mad at me when
I picked songs that most people aren't going to know.

Speaker 7 (01:37:19):
So she's gonna go like this, so she's listening.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Do you know what he's not here?

Speaker 28 (01:37:22):
Yeah, there's a there's an Aussie trap DJ named Ellis
in Wonderland and she started. She put an album out
in twenty fifteen called Run and the title track Run
is just amazing if you like down tempo, hard hitting
dance music.

Speaker 7 (01:37:35):
So yeah, I'm going to VTE for that one.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
I can see why has the right. I was going
to say that you smart lady.

Speaker 7 (01:37:42):
I don't like lying to the listeners, you know, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Yeah, no, fair enough, So I'm going to leave you
with just take your mind back to nineteen ninety seven.
How would I have been in nineteen ninety seven? Eleven
a covered in pimples, just growing up ninety seven? So
carry on, Seventh Garden, I want you. This is the
number one best song ever produced by an Australian band.

Speaker 7 (01:38:07):
This album, Ryan, I will agree, is superb.

Speaker 28 (01:38:10):
I really I really liked the first song on the
album as well, to the Moon and Back, so I'll
change my vote to that to try and win the listeners.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
You and Heather back.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Excellent Seventh Garden. To play you out tonight coming up
to seven o'clock. You're on News Talks BC tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:38:22):
The Magenta being the Tai Chilter and the bitters like
Jerry Colder.

Speaker 11 (01:38:27):
I don't need a China Been and it's all own
time and if it happens again and the.

Speaker 16 (01:38:30):
Moved so sign to the after thetis the King McGinn need.

Speaker 19 (01:39:22):
Want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
That I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
To know, but.

Speaker 22 (01:39:49):
Want to know

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
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