Full Show Podcast: 15 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupericy Ellen, Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Former Speaker
David Carter on whether the Maori Party punishment was too harsh,
the Ukrainian ambassador on the news that Putin is snubbing
the meeting and should an overweight nine year old be
allowed to breach the rugby weight rules by nine kilograms
to play with his friends.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Heather Dupercy Ellen, Well.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
It sounds like Jerry Brownlee doesn't think that the rather
thinks that the Mardy Party punishment is too harsh. He
started our parliament today with a speaker's ruling and he
dropped some pretty strong hints that he thinks that twenty
one days without pay for Debbie and Rawri over that
Hucker is too much. He called the punishment very severe
and unprecedented because up to now the harshest punishment has

(00:57):
been three days, not twenty one days. He pointed out
that the punishment was only carried by a narrow majority
on the Privileges Committee that going through with the punishment
as it stands, will deprive the Maori Party of their
ability to vote in the House for several sitting days,
and that Parliament does not have to go through with it.
He told them that you don't have to go through

(01:19):
with it. Parliament can change the punishment now. Can't say
I agree with them on this for one simple reason,
and that is deterrence. Whatever the punishment is going to
end up being, it has to be harsh enough to
stop the Mardi Party doing this again, or at least
try to stop them doing this again, because this is
a strategy from this from them. We need to see

(01:39):
this stuff for what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
This isn't like Julie Anjenta losing her rag in Parliament
in the heat of the moment, apologizing and then ending
up with just a censure and perhaps never doing it again.
The Maori Party break the rules deliberately. This is their strategy,
so you can assume that they will keep on doing it.
And the reason they keep on doing it is because
it gets some attention. Attention for wearing sneakers in the house,
attention for wearing a cowboy hat in the house, attention

(02:03):
for doing a hukker in the house, attention for not
turning up to the Privileges Committee, attention for leaking the
recommendations of the Privileges Committee, and the list just goes on.
This isn't about they say, this is about tea kung.
It's not about tea hunger. Sneakers are not tea hunger.
This is about breaking rules for attention. It's a pr strategy. Now,
three days without pay is not going to deter them.
To be honest, I don't even know that twenty one

(02:24):
days without pay will deter them, but it surely has
a better chance of doing it. And for the record,
twenty one days suspension is not that wild in the UK,
where our parliament derives from. Just in the last two years,
three MPs in the UK have copped suspensions of thirty
days or more. In twenty nineteen, one guy was suspended
for six months.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I don't know that we will ever get order back
into Parliament the way things have gone in the last
few months, but if we don't try, we definitely won't.
And so twenty one days in that context doesn't seem
overly harsh.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Heaver duper Cela nineteen nine.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Here's the text number standard text fees apply and as
I say David Carter on that after five o'clock now,
meth meth in the workplace is skyrocketing. According to new
figures from workplace testing company the Drug Detection Agency, in
January of this year, thirteen percent of workplace meth testing
meth testing returned a positive result thirteen percent. That number

(03:17):
jump to twenty five percent in March of this year. Now,
Glenn Dobson is the CEO of the Drug Detection Agency
and with us now, hey, Glenn, hi, Heather. Does it
follow that if you expand the testing to everyone, that
twenty five percent figure will hold.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yeah, potentially. I mean this is a snapshot of society.
And we've seen in the society that the wastewater stats
have doubled recently, and so this is obviously a snapshot
from the workplace. And I'd suspect that if we tested
further in the workplaces we would see a similar sort of.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Result shash twenty five percent. So what are we finding
residue from somebody having a party at the weekend or
are we finding that they are wah, you know, the
eyeballs are spinning right now at work.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Yeah, it's it's all around the risk of impairment. And
what it's doing is whether we're drug testing through urine
testing or oral fluid or mouth swabs, it's indicating that
the metabola the drug there is present, which means that
it's potentially impairing their ability to either do their work,
make sound decisions and create a real risk and workplace.
Which is the scary part for how long does.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
It deter someone's ability to do their work? You know,
like with booze, you booze the night before. Obviously when
you're drunk, you can't do anything. When you hungover, you're
kind of operating at about seventy five percent. What about
with P.

Speaker 7 (04:32):
Yeah, Look, there's a whole lot of factors that come
into it as the purity of the drug, it's the
person's in metabolism rate, and it's also their lifestyle as well.
But general terms, and this isn't an absolute black and
white the general terms, it canfect them for about forty
eight to seventy two hours. But with the thing with
myth is the user will go so hard and so

(04:52):
long and race to their lifestyle to stay up, stay active,
increasingly moving in someone that they have a massive hangover
effect afterwards, when they come down, So that creates a
real risk as well.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Oh so like if you're on the glass pipe for
five days, then you're going to have a come down
for five days or something like that.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Yeah, I mean, your body just can't a say it's
going to crash at some stage. And if you're in
charges and heaving machinery, if you're in charge of something
that safety sensitive, that's a real risk to you and
your work mates.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So do you think that more companies, given that it
is so and like surprisingly prolific, do you think that
more companies should actually start rolling out in the workplace,
even if it's not the kind of place that you
normally think should test.

Speaker 8 (05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
I mean the traditional workplace drug testing environment is for
what we call safety sense to workplaces. You know, your
heaving machinery, your equipment that you're using that if you
make a mistake, you could hurt yourself or others. But
what we are seeing is we are seeing a lot
more white collar industry starting to drug test and that's
more around on your health and safety, but reputational risk

(05:53):
as well. You know, legal fraternity, financial fraternity. They don't
want their brand tarnished because an employee or a high
paid executive makes a bad decision based on taking drug
to recal Have.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
The I guys started drug testing? Just ask you for.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
Certainly, healthcare is one industry that does do an amount
of drug death and all eve of that.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Hey, listen, why is there a problem in central North Like?
I mean, if the average is twenty five percent, these
guys are heading thirty percent. What's up?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
Yeah, Look, that's a really good question, and I couldn't
say exactly what that is. It could be that there's
a really strong distribution network there at the moment. You know,
drugs get moved around the country quite a bit, and
it could be that there's a strong distribution network there
with good, strong local connections, And it could be that
they're experiencing tough times at the economy moment, and during

(06:51):
tough times people make some unusual or what you might say,
bad decisions.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Glenn, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.
Glenn Dobson, the Drug Detection Agency CEO. Hither there hasn't
been a twenty one day penalty in Parliament before because
there has not been despicable actions of such magnitude before.
No sympathy to some extent I agree with that. What
I don't think, Look, I mean I don't I'm not
going to pretend to be some sort of like a
parliamentary history expert. For that we needs somebody like Thomas Coglan,

(07:19):
I would say. But what I can't think of another
example of a group of people or a person who
have broken the rules so consistently as a strategy. It's
a reflection of the fact that I think that we
live in a social media age, right, so if you
break the rules, I mean, let's be honest about it.
Brook van Velden doing the C word yesterday may have

(07:41):
been a part about reclaiming the word for herself, but
part of that will also be about, you know, appealing
to the social media and going viral, and that kind
of is informing a lot of behavior now. So I
think I agree with that text to some extent that
we haven't seen a punishment like this before, because can
you tell me, like, rack your brain and point to
an example where we've had a group of people, a
person who have repeatedly flouted the laws, not been sorry

(08:04):
for it, and shown no indication that they're going to
stop doing it. Can you think of one quarter pass four.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
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Speaker 3 (08:19):
Darcy Watergrove, sports talker host is with me right now.
Four eighteen Hello Darce. Hey, So Ryan Fox playing tonight?

Speaker 9 (08:26):
Yeah, five past eleven. He tees off in a major.
He never thought he was going to plan, and extraordinarily
out of nowhere, he won. And then he's like, oh no,
I was going to take the weekend off. The family
are over here, We're to go to the fun fair.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I've got to oh now it's going to go work.

Speaker 9 (08:46):
Now they're going to go drive across a couple of states.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
To the US chances.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
But Slim I was looking up online desperately trying. I
was trying to use AI, which is pointless for someone
at fifty five. I took it olderly. It's not interested.
How many players have backed up after winning a PGA
event and then won a major the very next weekend.
And he kept on telling me how many players had
won back to back Majorsn't what that. So once I'd

(09:15):
finished waving my first and barking at cars and shouting
at clouds, I thought there must be another way to
find this.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Did you call someone?

Speaker 9 (09:22):
I tried to talk to a few golfers, but I
don't know what the chances. But you think the mental
exhaustion after winning it and winning out of a playoff
would be so overpowering that to actually pick yourself up
and do it again. I wouldn't be surprised if Tiger
Woods has done it that. He's not of this earth.
He's he'sn't count so can he? I don't know, but

(09:44):
he'd be feeling. Is there such a thing as momentum
and golf?

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Oh yeah, you get on a run? Yeah yeah? Or
you get what Trump he likes to call the yips,
which is when you get that's.

Speaker 9 (09:56):
Not a trumpy word. You know, that's a regular word,
the yips.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
To him, Well, do you know why I dropped him
in that is because the other day he said the
market's got yippie and like all of these news stories,
we're going, we don't know what that means? What does
yippi mean? And I was like, have you never played
a round of golf yet? Anyway, the yips?

Speaker 9 (10:14):
If we will see? But look, he does surprising things.
You don't get.

Speaker 10 (10:18):
Run the yips.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
You can get a run of the opposite, you.

Speaker 9 (10:21):
Can and the momentum. I've always had the argument people say, oh,
they've got great momentum, and you know what the thing
about momentum is it can be stopped. Yeah, it's the
way it works.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's called the yips. What's the phone for swearing?

Speaker 11 (10:35):
Now?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Have they dropped it.

Speaker 9 (10:36):
Down to like what five thousand years opposed to like
forty thousand years? Really they've had a you have.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
A standdown as well? Did they have a suspension as well?

Speaker 9 (10:45):
Well, I'm not sure about the suspension, but this time
it's gone from forty thousand euros to five thousand euros.
The first offense is suspended. It's only in controlled events,
so like news conferences, not during not doing races. So
if someone cuts you off and you turn around your
effing and blinding and wave your first out and you
can do all that, but in a press conference, what

(11:07):
a climb down? If you give it the New Zealand
politician at a press conference, you'll get in all sorts
of trouble.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Hey, Mars has text in and said if you google
it you will find Cory Pippin did it in two
thousand and four.

Speaker 9 (11:20):
Well, you see Mars and he's like me. He's advanced
in years right, and so Mars, I tried to be
cool like the cool kids and news AI failure.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Maybe I should have just gone to google the things
you know? How about that?

Speaker 9 (11:32):
No, No, I need to age. I need to advance.
When you don't pick up, if you're not advancing.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Mars is going to come in and fill in your slough. Okay,
good luck Powell, good luck dealing with as you said. Okay,
thanks very much, Darcy, appreciate it, Darcy Wader Wave. We'll
be back at seven this evening for Sports Talk for
twenty one.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Getting the facts, discarding with fluff.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
It's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Heather Lydia co carried momentum. She won the Olympic gold
and then she won the British Open. Bonnie, thank you.
That's a very good point. Actually, hey, there is a
bit of a and this does crop up from time
to time, but it's cropped up again. There's a bit
of a battle on over whether a kid should be
allowed to play rugby when he is quite a lot
bigger than the other kids. So he's nine years old,
he plays in the County's Manecau Club competition, or at

(12:21):
least he did play in the County's Manecau Club competition
last year. But then this year, at this particular age
of nine or whatever it is, this particular part of
the club, they start introducing weight rules. Now the limit
at this particular level is forty five CAGs and this
wee man is fifty four CAGs. And so it's been
deemed that he can. And sometimes they offer dispensations and

(12:43):
you can get the kid in regardless for whatever reason.
But the County's Manecow guys are saying, nap, that we're
not going to give you a dispensation for it. And
this wee man is very upset about it because he
would very much like to be able to play with
his friends. Bursts into tears when they talk about the
parents talk about rugby. Doesn't want to go to school.
You can imagine mean, you can imagine, right, this would
have if not handled well, it would have a terrible

(13:05):
impact on a little guy. Anyway, the parents are fighting it.
We're going to have a chat to Kevin put the
rugby commentator, and just find out whether he thinks this
is a fair rule.

Speaker 12 (13:11):
Or not.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Right now, it's twenty five past four, So this is
what the Speaker had to say about it. So at
the start of parliament had the Speakers ruling, Jerry brownly
said that the punishment for Tapatimori, which has been recommended
by the Privileges Committee last night, is very severe.

Speaker 11 (13:24):
These punishments recommended by the Committee are very severe and
are unprecedented in this Parliament as far as i'm aware,
since the House first met in eighteen fifty four, no
member who's been found guilty of contempt has been suspended
for more than three days. I'm also conscious that unlike
in previous such cases, suspension from the service of the

(13:46):
House now carries a substantial financial penalty.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Then he made the point that not everybody on the
Privileges Committee actually thinks that this is the punishment that
should be handed down.

Speaker 11 (13:56):
I also note that the committee's recommendation was adopted by
a narrow majority. That is an important point when the
effect of the recommendation would be to deprive members of
a minority party of their ability to sit and vote
in this House for several days.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And then he made the point, and I think this
is the most telling thing that betrays that Jerry thinks
that this is far too harsh. Then he made the
point that Parliament doesn't have to pass this. They don't
have to punish the Marori Party like this. They can
change it.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
Emotion may be amended and an amendment is not required
to reflect the recommendation. As with many other situations, when
proposals are made to this House, it is not in
all or nothing decision.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
We're going to talk to David Carter, as I said,
former Speaker about it after five o'clock. Hey, also, Debbie's
given it. Debbie and I ality have given an interview,
so I'll run you through that bridgititon. Hey, heads up,
you're going to be stoked if you love the Bridgeton.
Season four hasn't even dropped yet, and they have confirmed
season five and six are locked in, So you've got
three more seasons to enjoy at very least. The next

(14:59):
one that's going Netflix has just confirmed. The next one
is about Benedict. Benedict is the artsy one, you know,
the one who started having the you know what I'm saying. Anyway,
he finds a lady. Obviously he can not wait. Headlines next,

(15:21):
putting the challenging questions to the people.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
At the heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
The Ukrainian ambassador after five o'clock about Poteen being a
no show at that meeting. Also, Debbie and Raweri have
given a meeting an interview rather for the first time
since finding out what their punishment is going to be.
They've spoken to Julian Wilcox at the hue. Debbie started
having a tonguey. She got a few tears in her
I got a few roumata in her eyes. So I'm

(16:07):
going to play you some of that. Also, Heather text,
having had to put kids into rugby teams for twelve
years based on age and weight, is very hard to
be blunt. Most parents of these kids need to look
at themselves and not blame the clubs. Because the kids
are overweight because of diet and lack of exercise. There
are a very few that are big and strong and
dispensation systems. Look at the weight, it's the height and

(16:27):
how dominant the kid is when he or she plays.
I once had to tell a parent that their kid
had to play up two grades, twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's the world wires on news talks they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Turns out Putin is not going to go to that
meeting in Turkey, so neither will Trump. Zelensky's going to
be there, though, and a Ukrainian soldier says he's optimistic
about the talks.

Speaker 13 (16:47):
Russia was the first one to push for these talks.
They have refused direct contacts since twenty twenty two, but
now we've had some success destroying their rare positions and
supply lines. Russia doesn't have the same strength it had before,
so I think something could come from these talks.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
The Emir of Kata has hosted Trump at state dinner
in Doha. Here he is, this is Trump, obviously.

Speaker 14 (17:08):
And I hope you can help me with the Iran
situation because it's a perilous situation.

Speaker 15 (17:14):
And we want to do the right thing.

Speaker 14 (17:17):
We want to do is something that's going to save
maybe millions of lives, because things like that get started
and they get out of control.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
And finally, police in Switzerland reckoned that a duck that
was recently called speeding in a town near burn could
actually be a serial offender. The Mallard set off a
speed camera when it flew at a speed of fifty
two k's per hour in a thirty k area. The
Copper say a duck set off the same camera at
the same speed back in twenty eighteen, so they reckon.
It's the same duck.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
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Speaker 3 (17:52):
Murray OL's BOSSI correspondent.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
With US now Hey mus Good afternon Heather.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
How's elbows? Meeting in Indonesia going.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Looks pretty from this distance. Anthony albnezy on his way
to the Vatican, of course, but he made it very
clear as was his intention, and that's what he did
in his first term as Prime ministers first visit was
to Indonesia. He's exactly the same scenario second time around
for the Prime Minister of Australia. He's up there seeing

(18:20):
Froboo Subianto, the brand new Indonesian president. And how about
this for dif diplomacy. Alba pulls in last night in
the plane, gets into his hotel. There's a knock on
the door as the president, how are you going, albow?
Nice to see you again. So look at the very
complex relationship the new Indonesian presidents and military manned Korea

(18:44):
military officer. He's looking to develop a relationship with China. Also,
of course there's been all this talk about Indonesia and
the relationship it has with Russia and Vadimir Putin. So
from Australia's point of view, very important customer on Australia's
doorstep three hundred and you know, three hundred and thirty

(19:04):
odd million people, the world's largest.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Mauz.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
You're breaking up, mus you're breaking up terribly. So if
you is there a do you know, if there's a
spot where you actually have some clear signal?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
No, I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Are you at the golf course?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, I'm not on the freeway.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Oh you're on a freeway doing one hundred and ten. Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I'll speak slowly, and they look at an important election
to both sides, and certainly Albeneasy is hoping that he
can get off on the right foot with the Indonesian president.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
When you said you were going to speak slowly, I
was I was just going to say that isn't not
how it works, But amazingly it has actually worked. I
don't know how you know that now, maus. Okay, so listen,
tell me quickly. W Wolve's got some clear patch with
you about this Aussie who may have died fighting in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, a second guy, if this is the case, we
think it is the case. The second Australian to die
in less than I think three weeks. The youngest the
latest person a Queensland fellow. Caleb List is his name.
He wanted to join the Australian Army when he left
school for some reason, was turned down, and a couple
of three years later he says, I want to join

(20:20):
the French Foreign Legion. That didn't work out, so he
joined the International Legion that was signing up to fight
for Ukraine against Russia. Well, it didn't end well for him.
He died in an artillery barage. The other fellow was
Nick Parsons, who was working for a charity. Ex Australian soldier.
He was working for charity that disarmed land mines and

(20:43):
he and another fellow were killed about three weeks ago
now in Ukraine as there were clearing land mines. The
basic advice in the Australian government to anyone who wants
to go do not go anywhere near it. The Department
of Foreign Affairs said, you're out of your mind.

Speaker 12 (20:57):
If you want to go there must listen.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Are you one of the people who are upset about
the idea of taking a veggiemite on toast and then
putting the dill and the paperka and the cheese.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
That doesn't work for me? I say, I like, look,
I'm an old fashioned guy. Give me a nice bit
of toes, but lastings of it and veggiemite. I've been
known to top a poached egg on top of that,
which went going very well. Yeah, a little bit of
cheese on top, but you know, please, the next thing
you can be putting a starudine on there or mashed
up American what's wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Are you Philistein? This sounds absolutely delicious? Have you mask?
Dil is the most underrated herb out there? Don't you think?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
No? I do you? And a lot of Australians hate
this guy too, an abomination, barbaric and international crime. Go
back to America.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
So just a perfectly rational response from the Australians to that.
Thank you, Mas appreciated as always. Murray Old's Australia corresponding
here that that lady about delay, Like, don't you think
dill is underrated? You know, we just don't stick Dell
on enough stuff. I just looking for an excuse to
stick a Del on something nowadays. I mean like a
Dell on a salmon. You know that. You know, a

(22:11):
Dell on a bit of cream cheese, you know that.
But now you've just been given permission to put Dell
on your veg. You might go for it if you
can afford the deal.

Speaker 16 (22:18):
I think del gets a bad rap heather, just because
it tastes horrible by itself. So it's all about like
what you mix it with, in my opinion, like it
can go well in some recipes and stira.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Do you agree with us? No, dill is delicious by itself.
Yes it is, okay, but it's you and I mean,
what's your favorite?

Speaker 16 (22:34):
For me and my little brother used to try and
trick each other into eating dill by itself because of
how old gross it.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Just give us a sense of where you sit on
the culinary spectrum. What's your favorite food?

Speaker 16 (22:42):
Oh? Yeah, I go to KFC at least once.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Agin Okay, right, thank you? Hither that lady about overweight
kids are so so wrong Pacific Island kids mature so
much faster than white kids. So that was terribly unfair
to say that it's just diet, which actually is a
fair point because you can see it from a young age.
I don't know, but my kids, my boys three at
his KINDI there is a boy that is four that
is tiny compared to him, and then there's a boy

(23:06):
that is five that's just gigantic for a five year old.
And you know, like they're all over the show. There's
none of them are kind of the same size, and
none of them are fat. None of these boys are fat.
They're just normal boys. They just grow differently, don't they.
It carries on the whole way through anyway. Listen, here,
here's your Debbie Nada Wapaka So Debbie. Debbie and Rahi
sat down with Julian at the HUEI and Debbie got

(23:30):
a little bit teary. You could just hear it. She
just got a bit triggered and a bit of a
cracking her voice. Just within the first sixty seconds or so.

Speaker 17 (23:38):
Yeah, we've all sort of said, you know, we know
what it's going to be, we know how it's going
to land, but it's just so harmful and triggering when
so many of our people are doing so much to
get ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Feels to me like somebody doesn't like losing about eleven
thousand dollars. Anyway, we'll talk about that next sixteen Away from.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
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Speaker 3 (24:05):
Jason Woll's political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason, hey, hmmmm,
So it sounds very much like Jerry thinks this is
too harsha.

Speaker 18 (24:12):
It does sound like that, I mean, just to catch
people up. It was quite an unusual situation in the House.
Today's quite unprecedented. Unprecedented the recommendation that came from the
Privileges Committee, as outlined by Jerry Browne.

Speaker 11 (24:24):
These punishments recommended by the Committee are very severe and
are unprecedented in this Parliament as far as I'm aware.
Since the House first met in eighteen fifty four, no
member who's been found guilty of contempt has been suspended
for more than three days.

Speaker 18 (24:40):
Which is obviously quite a long time. And he goes
on to point out that a twenty one day suspension
for the co leaders was agreed to buy quite a
narrow margin within the Privileges Committee. Now, remember Tipati Marti
were giving given an opportunity to speak at said committee.
They did not. They instead called it a quote silly
little committee and did not appear worried at all about

(25:02):
its determinations. Despite this, the committee extended its deadline for
their determination, allowing Tea Party Mary the opportunity to submit.
Tea Party Mary then again declined, and when the recommendations
were being considered, Tea Party Mary then leaked them on
Facebook along with a poll asking supporters how long they
think the committee was going to suspend them for.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
So in short, there was.

Speaker 18 (25:25):
The opportunity for the party to respond, but Brownlee is
giving them yet another chance.

Speaker 11 (25:31):
In particular, there's a long standing convention for speakers to
safeguard the fear treatment of the minority. Unteamed to honor
that convention by ensuring the House does not take a
decision next week without due consideration.

Speaker 18 (25:45):
So therefore there's going to be a debate without a
time limit, when members who can speak for as long
as they like, can speak as many times as they
like on Tuesday. This is in budget week, by the way,
just letting you know. They can also try to pass
motions in a bid to challenge or change how long
the suspension is four i e. If a member wanted to,
they could move that the suspension be but for four

(26:07):
days rather than twenty one as I understand it now.
Speaking to the ruling was Shane Jones, who I think
makes quite a good point here.

Speaker 19 (26:14):
You are expecting a wide ranging debate potentially involving the
three people who did not turn up to the Privileges Committee,
but who may very very well be in.

Speaker 20 (26:25):
The house, you know.

Speaker 18 (26:26):
And he's bang on.

Speaker 21 (26:27):
I think.

Speaker 18 (26:28):
Meanwhile, Ty party MATI have taken to the program the Hui,
where Debbie and Arawdi were both brought to tears when
they were discussing how this has affected them.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Country loves my Aca, the world loves Myoca.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
Hmm, feels like they.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Don't love me.

Speaker 18 (26:44):
Then Araldi had a crack at Judith Collins.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
For who to label us as nothing should have been
kind of terroist in this place, you know, as the
unruly natives. And it's said the same Richard, when we
all phetically being ourselves.

Speaker 18 (26:58):
But at the end of it, it was Judith Collins
who had the final word when asked if the twenty
one day punishment was too long.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Oh, I'm sure they'll think of that next time they
wished to behave like that.

Speaker 20 (27:07):
And there we have it.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
When he says that she's liken them to terrorists, what's
he referring.

Speaker 18 (27:11):
To, No idea, She's never done that. To my knowledge,
it has never happened. I think he's putting words in
her mouth. That's just not something that the Attorney General
would say.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Okay, And when he's angry with brooker'sy over the sea bomb.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
He's not happy.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
But this is one of the lowest I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
When you go to that sort of at tandem language,
nothing is beneath you after that.

Speaker 11 (27:33):
Is it.

Speaker 18 (27:33):
So we asked Broke about this today she said it
was rather odd. Now the Speaker has decided that he
was in fact wrong to allow the question yesterday, and
he was wrong to have and have not addressed the
use of the word in the house when it happened.
You all know the word that I'm referring to here,
And that's not the only walk back today. Have a
listen to what Chris Hepkins said just before going into
the house.

Speaker 12 (27:54):
So, in so far is Ourt quoting from a rather
controversial comment yesterday meant that the Labour Party was contributing
to the distractions around that. I think we will own
that it would have been better if we had quoted
from something else rather than from that particular column.

Speaker 18 (28:07):
So essentially they were wrong to do that. But this
is what Chippy said yesterday.

Speaker 14 (28:11):
It's Gerin's primary Christian in the House today.

Speaker 12 (28:15):
It's quote directly from an article that was published in
the paper.

Speaker 15 (28:17):
A wildly criticized article.

Speaker 9 (28:19):
People.

Speaker 12 (28:20):
We live in a country of free.

Speaker 18 (28:21):
Speech, so something is obviously gotten to Chris Hopkins.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, the thing that's got to Chris Hopkins is that
are backfired right.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yes, a big way, in a big way.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Hey, did you see I'm very excited to tell you
that there are going to be some people in the
budget lock up with us.

Speaker 18 (28:36):
I knew you were going to bring this up as
soon as I saw it today.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Did you think, oh, no, here they come, these economists.

Speaker 22 (28:43):
No, I'm going to teach them how to read that budget.
It doesn't Okay, you said on air the other day
you said I had a ba or bugger all or
something like that. Still remind you I do have I
do have an economics degree.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Okay, I'm about a reguted saying that about you because
it was a lie, then.

Speaker 18 (29:01):
I do have some bear and listen. My argument was
never that I was going to sit there and say,
oh I know best, but rather than everybody else. My
argument was the first take on the numbers is just
a pure this is what it says in the budget,
and then we go to the CTU and then we
go to the Taxpayers Union for a reaction afterwards. That
was all I was saying.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Okay, thank you, Jason Heather three days running, Jason Walls,
political editor News TI z'd be eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 23 (29:31):
The mass exodus continues, driven largely by Young New Zealanders's
University sociologist Paul spoonleive, you needed to see the New
Zealanders leaving tail off significantly, and it isn't, And then
that surely is a worry, if not a crisis.

Speaker 11 (29:43):
Well it is.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
And it looks as though that the part in New
Zealand is year on year is around seventy thousand.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It would be okay if we reach.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
That seventy thousand in one year and it started to come.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Back, but it's not.

Speaker 8 (29:56):
It's staying at that seventy thousand tiger And.

Speaker 23 (29:58):
What worries me sick is the young people. We could
use a few to grow the country and make us
a little bit better than we currently are. Back tomorrow
at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida
News Talk z' b.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Heather, Jerry Browne has got to take some responsibility for
the deterioration in standards that he's presided over in the House. Look,
there are some who do make that argument. The argument
that I would make is that if he he has
very clearly directed the House to go softer on the
Maori Party, and if the House follows him in this
and then the Maori Party continue to behave like this,

(30:33):
and they have indicated that they will continue to behave
like this because they've got the problem with the Regulatory
Standards Bill. They're going to go go hard on that.
They're not sorry for. The Huka might do it again.
If it keeps on happening, then it is Jerry's fault
because he's told the House to go a little bit softer.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, the budget lockups so happy to report to you
they are all in taxpayers, Union, infrastructure, new Zealand Business
New Zealand Council of Trade Unions. This morning Council of
Trade Unions were told that they were allowed in, but
Craig Renny, their economist, was not allowed in. But then
everybody changed their mind and they said Craig Renny's allowed in.
I'd like to take some responsibility, by the way, for this.
I'd like to say it's because of all the song

(31:07):
and dance we made about it, but probably it's like
a tiny bit of truth. But probably it's really the
legal action that this threshong guide a Tastles union. So
there you go, a little bit of law fair. I
love it. Okay, Now listen Concerts. We've spent a lot
of time talking about concerts on the show, because you know,
there have been quite a few concerts going on in

(31:27):
this fine town of ours, in Auckland and the country
of ours. Somebody has on the internet compiled a list
of the most most value for money concerts that you
can go to and the least value for money concerts
you can go to. I'm going to run you through
some of this so that we can inform your decisions
on an economic basis. Lana Dalray, you do not want
to go to Lana Dalray will give you fifteen tracks

(31:49):
for eighty three minutes, which means you are paying per
song sixteen dollars. Lady, she's the worst, by the way.
Lady Gaga's a little bit better. She's got the Mayhem
Ball Tour on it. The moment. She's about fourteen dollars
per song. But but this is us dollars, by the way,
so don't get excited to think it. Well, bargain, bargain,
that's that's about a block of cheese. No, it's a

(32:10):
lot more than that's a two blocks of cheese. What
what Gaga's doing is she's doing a longer concert, right,
so you are going to get like it's it's slightly
cheaper than a Lana del Rey, but you're gonna get
more songs and you're gonna get a longer time.

Speaker 21 (32:25):
Who's this Lana del Rey?

Speaker 12 (32:27):
Look?

Speaker 3 (32:27):
And this is free. This is better than going to
a Lana concert. I just play it to you. You
don't have to pay me. Beyonce's next up, I'm gonna
give you beyond those details, and then I'm gonna get
to Oasis, and then I'm gonna get to the value
for moneya wait for it. We'll deal with that in
the next half hour, some time.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Digging through the smith spens to find the real story
storing It's heather due for the on drive with One
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
That'd be afternoon. Speaker Jerry Browne has suggested that he
thinks the Marvey Party MPs are being punished too harshly.
He said, no one's ever been suspended from Parliament for
twenty one days. The max thus far is three. It's
very severe and unprecedented to be punished like this, and
he's recommended Parliament that it doesn't was reminded rather Parliament
that it doesn't have to do what the Privileged Committee says,

(33:34):
but can actually change the punishment. David Carter is the
former Speaker of the House. David, Hello, Hi, Are you
surprised he said this?

Speaker 24 (33:42):
Yes, I am. His job was to send it to
the Select Committee, to the Privileges Committee, which is the
most powerful Select committee in Parliament. His job then, in
my mind, is to report the findings of the Select Committee.
I'm surprised that he'd make the comments of the Airs.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Any any idea what would have come over him?

Speaker 24 (34:00):
Well, he obviously thinks the penalties are too severe. If
I'd been there, I would probably have argued that the
penalties weren't severe enough. Why but Jerry's job is to
report it back to Parliament and for Parliament now to
decide whether to accept the select Committee report.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Why do you think they're not harsh enough?

Speaker 24 (34:19):
I've never seen behavior like this. The standards of Parliament
are dropping significantly. We used to have a democracy that
we're proud of. But when you rewatch what happened in
that Harker and the intimidating behavior of those the co
leaders of the Barley Party, that is unacceptable. And then
to refuse to appair before the Privileges Committee again is

(34:41):
yet another contempt of the rules of Parliament.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Do you think that precedent is a consideration here? Not
just what they've done, but the suggestion that they are
going to do it again or rather deterras consideration? Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Like?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Is it a consideration? Do you need to punish them
haigh enough to stop them doing it again?

Speaker 24 (35:02):
I think that's why the Privileges Committee has ruled that
the penalty should be where they are. Bear in mind
the Mardi Party and the Green Party on that Privileges
Committee would argue that there has been no contempt. Labor
did acknowledge that there has been contempt by the actions
of these two members of Parliament. Their only argument is
that the penalty is too severe. The Privileges Committee is

(35:27):
made up that represents the composition of Parliament, so the
majority of them, without doubt accepted contempt occurred. The only
argument now is the severity of the penalty.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
David, do you think I mean there's some argument coming
through on the text machine that Jerry needs to take
responsibility for the standards in the House because actually quite
a lot has happened under him. We've had Julian Genter's behavior,
We've had the sea bomb, we've had the hacker. Is
he to blame for any of this?

Speaker 24 (35:55):
It's very difficult to be the speaker. You've got to
make decisions which are instant. I think the standards have
dropped considerably and Jerry, therefore, as Speaker has a responsible
to lift those standards again. He had an opportunity with
the penalties that have been passed out by the Privilegies Committee.
I'm surprised that he would choose then to criticize him

(36:17):
so soon after the reports tabled in Parliament.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
David, thank you for your time, always appreciated. This is
David Carter, the former Speaker. As I said earlier, Debi
Nardi were Packer and the Idytt have given an interview
to the HUI. They say they're not sorry for the Huckett,
which is the thing that they're in trouble for, and
they would do it again.

Speaker 15 (36:33):
We are not sorry for what we did, but we
understand that the impacts over the next twenty one days
is going to be felt because the Regulatary Standards Bill
is one of the most destructive and dangerous bills I
have ever seen and this country will ever see. It's intentionally,
it's deliberate. This is taken nearly six months to get

(36:54):
to this, and they've taken us out before budget, and
they've taken us out before the Regulatary Standards.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Bill to eleven past five.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Heither dupless Ladimir Putin will.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Not be turning up to the meeting with Ukraine' Vladimir
Zelensky for peace talks tonight. That means Donald Trump will
now also not come. Vassel Maarashnichenko is the Ukrainian ambassador
to the New Zealand vessel Hello.

Speaker 21 (37:14):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Its meeting is pointless now, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (37:17):
It is?

Speaker 25 (37:18):
Look I mean yeah. The whole point is that, as
you have seen out of over the weekend, four leaders
of four countries Britain, France, Germany and Poland came to
Ukraine and they have made a joint statement. They also
had a phone call with President Trump and they made

(37:38):
a clear statement demanding from Russia and immediate unconditional ceasefire.
And Russians have not accepted the ceasefire. More So, starting
from March eleventh, Ukraine agreed for a ceasefire which was
proposed by American President Donald Trump, and Russia never agreed
to any ceasefire. So we clearly see that Russia is

(38:02):
not interested in peace. Russia is interesting in continuing to
wage war. Russia is interesting in continuing to kill Ukrainians,
kill our children, kill.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Rape the women. So what happens hospitals?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
What happens next? Vestal, Like, what is it going to take?
If everybody's pending their hopes on this meeting, So what happens?

Speaker 25 (38:20):
So the only way to force Russia inter negotiations is
to further isolate Russia, impose most sanctions on Russia, provide
more defense assistance to Ukraine, and take over the immobilized
Russian assets which are three hundred billion dollars which are
currently primarily in Europe, in America and some other jurisdictions

(38:41):
for the support of Ukraine. That's the only way how
we can actually exert pressure on Russia to start negotiations
in good faith. For now, Russians will pretend negotiating, They
will pertain and they want peace, but they will continue
waging the war. You have to keep in mind it's
summer now in Ukraine. Therefore, Russians are currently on the

(39:03):
overdrive there, you know, as they say it in Australia
Battle Metal. So they are in full and trying to advance.
They are gaining gradually some ground, not much, but at
a huge expense, at a huge cost. But they are
out there and there is no motivation for them to
stop anytime soon. They still are on their main objective

(39:26):
of the war, and the main objective of the war
is to take over entire country.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Vassil, thanks very much, good luck with everything. Really appreciate
your time. Vassel Murashi Ychenko, the Ukrainian Ambassador to New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
I ever do for cl You're not imagining it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
If you're thinking things at the grocery store getting a
bit expensive. They are going up again. Food price is
three point seven percent in the last year, and you're
not imagining it if you're looking at the butter and
thinking what the hell happened there? Butter has gone up
big time, up sixty five percent. That's just in a year.
Milk up fifteen percent, cheese twenty four percent. The average
price for a block of butter is now about seven

(40:03):
dollars fifty. There's nearly three dollars more expensive than it
was round about this time last year, so maybe like
four dollars fifty ish and now it's seven dollars fifty.
Instant coffee is weirdly gone up in price, that's up
twenty one percent. Average cost is now about eight dollars
twenty ish per hundred grams. And on the air tickets,
because I know we're all excited about them, international airfares

(40:25):
went up twenty five percent just last month compared to
the month before. Just April. What happened in April school holidays,
Easter Long Weekend and Zach Long weekend fourteen past five. Hey,
digital scams aren't a joke, right, and it is really
important that we take these things seriously. There's a new
story in the media basically every day about increasingly cunning

(40:45):
scammers taking advantage of vulnerable kiwis. So what's happened is
A and Z has partnered up with Age Concerned New
Zealand and they are encouraging all kiwis to be on
patrol for scams. And they are not alone because they
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officers Frank Poncherello and John Baker, who are bringing old
school justice to modern day scams. Now, this is a

(41:06):
nationwide invitation to ride along while also learning how to
be more conscious and aware of scammers. And we can
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(41:30):
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Speaker 4 (41:35):
Ever duper clen.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Eighteen past five now rugby the nine year old. So
the nine year old Auckland boy, he's from Counties Mancal
has been told he can't play rugby in the same
grade as his friends because he's too heavy. This is
the county's Mancau club competition. He's fifty four CAGs but
the year four grade has a weight limit of forty
five CAGs. Now, Kevin part is a rugby commentator and

(41:56):
with us Now, hey.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Kevin, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Aparently it's unsafe if they made the right call.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
Look, it's not unnecessarily about the right call. They've got
systems in place to try and look after safety. There's
just as many of the kids that are on the
other end of the scale that parents are going, well,
my little lad's not playing if it's not going to
be a safe game. So they've got to have some
sort of bandwidth. I guess the argument is where does
that go? Is a couple of cag's forgivable. But if

(42:24):
i'm you know, I was one of those skinny little
guys that was sort of around thirty five kg's playing
against the fifty five I imagine mum would have been a
little bit concerned as well.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Does I mean if you've if you've got a weight
limit of forty five, so that's the uppermost right, So
as you say, there might be thirty five little boys
and like thirty five kg duds in there, yep, is
that going to make a difference that extra nine cag's
above the limit?

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (42:46):
Look it does.

Speaker 8 (42:49):
Around safety. You've seen what's happening, not just at the
baby level that we're talking about at professional level. Safety
is the key thing. You know that they've actually taken
away tackle from they had. They had rip a rugby
going for years. So please, we're talking now about an
exclusion of an individual. They are trying to save the
game as it is at the moment, So I can

(43:09):
understand if they had not given alternative or some sort
of compromise, then you could have a real moan about it.
But they said, well, hey, play up a great Mum
said no, that's not good enough, my lad, And.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
She's well within her rights.

Speaker 8 (43:23):
Well I'll tell you what, in which case, go play
football for a year, get some good skills, come back
and better be.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
A better rugby player.

Speaker 8 (43:29):
But if she had no other options then it would
have been a little bit unfair.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Hey, I'm Kevin. I really appreciate it. Thank you very
much for your time. That's Kevin part Rugby commentator. Hither
of the Maori Party are worried about being represented in parliament?
How many days of sitting did they not turn up
to in the last year. This is a very fair
point from Glen, isn't it, Because they let's just put
it like this, They're probably not going to miss the

(43:54):
time in parliament because you actually have to be in
parliament to miss your time in parliament. But what they
might be missing is the pay packet. And we've done
a bit of a rough calculation and it works out
for three weeks at about eleven thousand dollars, So that
is going to sting five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy elan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use dogs.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
That'd be twenty three past five. By the way, Chris
Hopkins is going to be with us on the C
word and whether they're going to overturn the pay equity changes,
and he'll be with us after the headlines. I've got
to talk about the public sector union. This is the
union for public servants. I have no words for what
they're doing at the moment. I cannot believe that they're
genuinely planning to argue to the Employment Relations Authority that

(44:41):
public servants should be allowed to work from home because
it is better for women to work from home because
women disproportionately hold the family care responsibilities. I mean, just
follow the logic of this, Okay, just follow the logic.
They are arguing that public service women should be allowed
to work from home so that they can also, while
working from home, look after the kids, look after the

(45:03):
elderly parents, iron the husband's shirts, do the dishes, do
the laundry, mop the floors, cook the dinner. It goes
without saying, first of all, obviously, taxpayers do not pay
these women to be able to work while doing all
their family jobs. That's not what we're paying for. But actually,
to the more important point, I can't believe that the
PSA is seriously arguing that people need to women need

(45:27):
to work from home so that they can keep on
doing this stuff. It's like they're trying to keep women
in the kitchen. It's nuts. Women have fought you know,
don't forget. Women have fought for a very long time
to be considered equals in the modern workplace. Do not
have to do the lion's share of what happens at home,
to not have to be the only ones who do
post birth maternity care. We want to share this stuff

(45:49):
with guys. We want to be CEOs like men, We
want to be paid like men, we want to be
respected like men. But this does the complete opposite. What
this does is it leaves men in the office and
then takes the women back to the home. Yeah, you
can still do your job, but you've got to stay
at home as well and all the other stuff. Doing this,
I think, for this reason is a gigantic step backwards

(46:10):
for women. It's either that or it's suspicious argument from
the PSA, and I don't know which of the two
it is. And frankly, I think it's actually surprising that
they would go public with this. I mean, this is
a union that claims it has been advocating for women's
rights since nineteen thirteen, but now it's advocating for women
to be able to do their jobs and everything else
at home. You know what, I really hope that the

(46:30):
strong and ballsy and ambitious women of the public sector.
See this for what it is, which is taking us
back to the kitchen. Reject this and choose not to
go back to the kitchen ever. Do see Allen, I've
got to read you. Okay. So this is the book
about Biden, right, everybody's been waiting for this book about
Biden by the CNN journalist Jake Tapper and also the
Axios reporter Alex Thompson, and bits of it have been

(46:51):
coming out. We'll get a load of this, okay. So
there's an extrac which talks about that fundraiser that happened
in June last year in the lead up to the
presidential election where he Clooney was and remember it became
a big thing and Clooney wrote the big oldp ed
after that and blah blah blah. Anyway, it comes in.
The president comes in. This is Biden comes in from
the G seven in Italy and looks quote diminished. The
book quotes an unnamed Hollywood identity who watched as Biden

(47:14):
greeted guests at the shindig. It was like watching someone
who was not alive. The person said, it was startling,
and we all looked at each other. It was so awful.
Biden gave Clooney, who he knew very well, by the way,
gave Clooney the same generic greeting that he'd given everybody,
which was thank you for being here. Clearly didn't recognize Clooney.
So his aide says, you know, George, and he goes yeah, yeah,

(47:37):
and this sort of has this generic conversation with them
clearly not recognizing George at all. It seemed clear to
those involved in the encounter that Biden had not recognized Clooney,
one of the world's most famous people, writes Jake Tapper
and Thompson. Biden's aid offers a further prompt and says
George Clooney, at which point Biden finally realizes who he's
talking to and starts talking to George Clooney. And remember

(48:00):
this whole time, this whole time, the White House is saying,
he's totally fine, nothing to worry about. It's totally not
Gaga at all. There you go, Okay, Beyonce. Beyonce is
the top third least value for money concert. This is
the Cowboy Concert, Cowboy Canter Concert. If you go along,
you're paying thirteen dollars sixty three a track. Some of

(48:23):
that is because the seats are very expensive. It's average
of about four hundred and ninety one dollars per seat
American more to company.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
If this who man.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talk.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Sa'd be having to have.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Value, well said Heather is one of them sister female types.
I feel like my gender is being politicized. Oh honey,
it's been going on for a long time now.

Speaker 21 (49:00):
Own.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Hey, Rod Duke of Briscos is going to be with
us after six. They're earned something really cool. They because
you know, a Brisco store is a big old thing,
but they're going to set up a bunch of mini Briscoes.
And I am here for that. The world does not
have enough Briscos. We need more. So he's with us
after six in the huddle, standing by. First of all though,
and by the way, it's twenty four away from six.
First of all, though, it's been a bit of a
day for Jerry Browne, hasn't it. Not only has the

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speaker indicated he thinks the Marty party punishment is too harsh.
But he also said he should not have allowed Labor
to ask the question that led to Brook van Valden
dropping the sea bomb yesterday. Chris Hipkins is the Labor leader.

Speaker 12 (49:33):
Hey, Chippy, how are you?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
As Jerry Wright? He shouldn't have let it go.

Speaker 12 (49:38):
Yeah, I think he's probably right on both counts. I
think we probably both the question and the answer probably
shouldn't have been allowed. What you know. I mean, ultimately,
I'm all for robust debate, but probably the column in
question sort of crossed the line in parliamentary terms. I'm
not going to form a judgment in terms of what
editorial decisions newspapers should make, but Parliament does have to

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set a standard and and hold itself to that standard.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I mean, come on, Chippy, you don't have to You
don't have to make a call on editorial standards, but
surely you can make a call on whether you think
it's okay to attack women with a gendered slur like that,
Like that's not.

Speaker 12 (50:14):
Okay, certainly not language that I would use. But having
said that, the journalist in question is a woman with
a long history of feminist advocacy, and I'm not going
to tell you what we do bs.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Women can be women haters too. I mean, okay, so
are you telling me so? Just say this so that
I completely understand exactly what your position is on this.
You think it's okay for senior female cabinet ministers to
be called the sea word.

Speaker 12 (50:38):
That's not what I've said, and I've said it's not
language that I would use. I've just said that I'm
not going to start making newspaper editorial decisions for them.
But I have said us not language that I would use,
and I don't think it should have been used in
the House, and I don't think we should have quote
it from the same article in the House.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
My problem with your position on this is because you
went like over the top defending just Cinda anytime somebody
sneezed something that nasty and direction, So why would you
not defend other women too?

Speaker 12 (51:03):
Well, I will, and you know where I think that
that's appropriate. But in this okay, let me an, it's
a newspaper editorial decision, So.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Okay, put it like, Okay, let's say that I in
my Sunday start, in my Sunday column on the Herald
on Sunday writes something horrendous about one of your MP's
and call them the sea bomb. Do you think that's
going to be okay?

Speaker 12 (51:26):
Look, you're asking me a hypothetical question without seeing what
you're right. No, I'm not going to fall a judgment
or something that I have any.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
The thing is no, of course it wouldn't. It wouldn't
be okay, Nor is this okay? This is what you
said in twenty twenty three. There is no question Unfortunately
women in leadership positions, women in politics, but women and
other leadership positions are the subject of far more abuse
and vitriol than men. I think we have a responsibility
as men to stand up, to step up and condemn
that and speak out against it.

Speaker 12 (51:51):
That was you, yes, and I stand by that state.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Now, are you going to reverse the changes that the
NATS are the coalition government is doing to the pay
equity legislation.

Speaker 12 (52:02):
I've said yes, we will, but let's be clear, that
doesn't necessarily mean going back to the law exactly as
it was and starting the clock all over again. So
one of the reasons we can't, well, one of the
reasons we can't be more specific because I think the
last thing that we want to do is if we
get eighteen months down of the track and those women
have started their whole process again, they're further along the process.
I don't want to do to them what the National

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Party's just done, which has changed the law, and basically
start the clock all over again.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
No, but you wouldn't have to You wouldn't have to
start the clock again, would you, Jippy, because the thing
is you would be more lenient. Therefore they could simply
progress with their claims as they were. You don't have
to stop the claims. You don't have to be you
don't have to be retrospective. You can change it without
being retrospective. Would you do that?

Speaker 12 (52:41):
But that's exactly the point. So yes, But that doesn't
mean a direct reversal of the law change that the
government have made, so basically, I mean maybe I'm getting
hung up on the technicalities of parliament. We're not directly
repealing the law, but we will put the situation back
that women can claim what they were able to claim previously.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Okay, so you will take it back to sixty percent
workforces women.

Speaker 12 (53:02):
That's correct, because why should the secondary school teachers not
be able to claim equity the primary school teachers.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Care and you would take it back to the setting
where they're able to use the comparators that exist at
the moment.

Speaker 12 (53:13):
That is correct, because actually, if the government doesn't like
the comparators that are being used, it can negotiate different comparatives.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
The librarians comparing themselves to.

Speaker 12 (53:20):
Again, well, but that's not the point because.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Aviation workers, I don't have them all memory would you
allow that?

Speaker 12 (53:30):
But job title is not the issue. That the value
of the work is the issue, because otherwise you get
a situation under the current law that the government have
now passed, where women will be comparing their jobs to
even less relevant roles. So under the current law, for example,
the only available comparator for someone like an aged care
worker is a gardener. That's the law that the current

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the government have just passed.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Now, that doesn't sound outrageous to me, Chippy, Why is that.

Speaker 12 (53:56):
Outrageous because you're talking about different levels of qualification.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
What is the qualification required to be an aged care worker?

Speaker 12 (54:05):
But that's not my judgment to make.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
That's fine, zero qualification required to be an age care worker,
just like there is zero qualification required to be a gardener.
That seems fair to me.

Speaker 12 (54:14):
The whole point of the pay equity process. As you
go through each of the jobs that you want to
compare line by line, you look at the level of
skill required, You look at the level of qualification required.
You look at the working hours, you look at the
working conditions, You look at all of those things to
make sure that you are comparing like with like, even if,
even if the work being done is different. You make

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sure you are comparing jobs that are comparable work of
comparable value. And I think that's the key point here
because in some many of these female dominated professions, there
aren't male dominated comparators that look will sound the same.
That's the point.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Okay, Chippy, thank you, I appreciate your time. It's Chris Hopkins,
Labor Leader, nineteen away from six the.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
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Speaker 3 (54:58):
One of a kind in the huddle with us Fillow
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Speaker 4 (55:05):
Ever? Right? So?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Phil? What do you reckon? Is the punishment for the
Mary Party? Bang on too harsh or not harsh enough?

Speaker 21 (55:12):
Well, if that's what they came up with, and so
therefore I agree with it. Here's the point though, the
reason it's so harsh is not only did they not
only do they stop a vote in the Parliament in
a pretty a pretty dramatic sort of way, then they
didn't really engage. They never apologized that they were really
engaged in the process. And another thing, the whole thing's racist.
And let me give you a comparator. If I go

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on to Rye, then I'm expected to follow Mariy protocol
and by the way, I absolutely do, and I support
that idea. It's a fantastic idea. If I want to
change that, I don't just walk in and abuse it
and say, well, I don't if you comply with those rules,
because it was my particular my particular ethnicity. So if
the Mary Party wants to get changes in protocol and Parliament,
and I think they've got a very good chase, a

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very good case to do that, ye, then they need
to work through that process in a constructive way. And
that's why I think the punishments so harsh, and that's
why why you findmentally agree with it.

Speaker 9 (56:03):
Ali Ah, I'm kind of over it.

Speaker 26 (56:06):
But do you think that compara it is the new
C word here that I'm just beginning to wonder because
it seems to be used a lot. Look, I can
understand what phillis saying that there are rules they should
be adhered to. If they want to change them, there's
a process to go through. But the other thing too
is how do we keep politics interesting and energetic and
passionate but not an anarchy. And it's those it's that

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fine line or that line between those two things that
I think we need to look at. But yeah, look,
I think I do think it was a little harsh.
I think they probably be made an example of. And
I think it's a little harsh because it would have
to be for Jerry to suggest that. I mean I've
worked with him over the years with the earthquake recovery
in christ Church, and yeah, for Jerry Browny to say

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he thought it was a little harsh as.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Very ali Maybe he softened in his old age. Oh,
I don't think so. You obviously don't know, Jerry.

Speaker 21 (56:58):
You know, Jurry's doing the right thing. They'd actually allow
a good debate in Parliament about I think what a
good speaker would do because the punishment is unprecedented, and
I think Tim's saying he's going to let whatever say
about that. I think it's good because it allows these
arguments to come out.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
However, however, feel I'll give you an alternative argument on that, right,
because it's a fair point that you're making. But here's
the alternative argument. If Parliament takes his direction and waters
down the punishment and then gives them I don't know,
let's say three days, seven days, whatever, and they do
it again because they have indicated they are going to
do it again, then it's on him, isn't it, Because
then he has told Parliament you need to soften this punishment,

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and then these and it's not a deterrent and these
guys do it again.

Speaker 21 (57:36):
Well, if that's the case, then put them out forty days.
I mean, that's the point, right, because you've got to
have a situation where by if you want to if
you want to change the rules, you'd have a proper
debate about that in a context of fairness and in
the context of give and take, and then move it through.
And that's what's not happening here, and I think that's
why the punishment has been so.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, you made a really interesting point there, Ali, which
is that we have to keep Parliament interesting. This is
ultimately what's going on here in the social media world.
You've got these guys acting up, doing the hucker Brook,
dropping the sea bomb, David driving a truck up the
steps of Parliament. They're all doing it for social media attention,
aren't they. Yeah, well, I think.

Speaker 26 (58:11):
I think the social media helped to propel this to
continue happening. Although we've got to remember that this kind
of grandstanding is not you And I mean even before
social media you might not remember that being as young
as you are either, they didn't, you know, they still
did this kind of stuff. So but maybe there's an
added incentive to do that now. But I mean, look

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at Winston. Winston has been around for years. He's been
doing this kind of silly carry on for ages. Imagine
if we didn't have someone like Winston Peters in there.
We've got to have the passion, even if we are
critical of it, if it's uncomfortable, and there's a degree
of reasonableness as well, But we have to have this
color and this passion in politics otherwise God.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Who would care? Yeah, Okay, listen, we'll take a break
and come back to you guys.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
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Speaker 3 (59:03):
Back On the Huddle with Pillareali and Ali Jones, Ali,
were you surprised this drug testing at work found twenty
five percent positive for p Oh? Yeah, I did.

Speaker 26 (59:13):
I'm kind of a I was gonna say, a bit
out of touch with all that stuff, but we regularly
hear these stories when they test the wastewater and you
know it went up I think during COVID and so forth.
But yeah, I was really surprised, But I would like
to know why what it is that? Is it the
availability of the drug. Is it that the cost of
the drug? Is it why people not taking cocaine as

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they used to? I believe that they used to show
up in the in the wastewater system. As far as
testing people, more goes absolutely. If they're in a role,
whether in charge of machinery or you know, driving a vehicle,
I haven't got a problem with that at all.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
What about phil if they're just in a role like
for example, what about drug testing radio announcers? Because I seriously,
if one of us, and it definitely isn't me obviously,
but if one of us was on the glass pipe
and then just got a bit loose, came to work
still kind of having a woon on it, and started
just I mean, you could break all kinds of broadcasting rules.

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There's the reputational side, which Glenn was saying to us
at the very beginning of the show, Glenn Dobson, there's
the reputational side. If you get busted and you're on
the pee or have been using the pee, how bad
that looks for your company? So, actually, Phil, is there
not an argument for any employer to do it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
There is.

Speaker 21 (01:00:23):
I agree with Value that the primary thing is health
and safety. That's why you see these really strict rules
and sort of q erail and at ports and airports
and airlines and so on, because that's where the robber
really is, the road and in those companies. I was
just checking with a few of my mates the South.
They need to confirm this. Actually, in places like a port, well,
everybody gets tested, the guy the boss, and the directors

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and the guys running their straddle carriers, because everyone down
on that culture is everybody gets tested. Right, Here's here's
the little chap. So I think is there a role
to think about the wider risk issue to say, to
your point, there's a risk that someone breaks some rules
because they're you know, they're on the on the on
the pipe. Yes, I think you could take that view,
but you start to u under a few problems because

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what I'm also reliably informed is that some of the
testing can be pretty inaccurate. It can be this masking
that can be done and so on. So do you
really know what you're doing? So yeah, I agree that
the testing is a good idea, along with education, along
with making sure the testing's right, along with well along
by the way, having a view about that testing, which says,
if we find you, we're going to treat that as

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something we can we can treat, we can help you out.
We're not just going to fire, You're not going to
bullet you straight away. We're going to work with you
to try and make sure we can get you better.
And I think most employers would kind of buy that
idea such a it's a health issue as well as
a safety issue, and it's not perfect by any means.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
No, not at all, Alie, Okay, to keep the fifty
four kg ked out of the forty five kg competition,
do you.

Speaker 26 (01:01:47):
Know I put the mother lens on this when I
first saw the story. You know, I really and look,
my our son who's twenty two, used to play rugby
and he was a bit of a tall, skinny white
cat and when he played some of the teams that
had the you know, the really big usually Polynesian boys.
We do have some Polynesian and Marti people in christ Church.
And when he would go and play in teams against

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some of those boys, I mean they were men, some
of them, and it would just really worry me. So
from the safety perspective, I do have an issue with that,
But I don't know what the rules are Philly. You're
a rugby player. Maybe if you're if you're a big
guy and a team, does it worry you so much
if you're playing against big guys?

Speaker 21 (01:02:29):
I'm so useless at sport made I tell you what
I'm hoping. But when I was, when I was a
boy back in the day, you used to have weight
for age.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:02:37):
It was because the challenge he was at rugby is
the contact sport. And that's where I think you do
run into issues where someone is big. Either there you know,
they're just bigger than normal, or they're foud or what
eeveryone might be the challenges that they're going to crunch
a kid and that kid's going to get injured potentially seriously.
So I think there is a rule. I think there
is a sensible rule to say, within some limitations that

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if you're if you're over the weight, you go to
a bigger weight scale.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
You know you might.

Speaker 21 (01:03:00):
It's not you know, that's why I wait for ages.
It's not just stage, it's also waked.

Speaker 11 (01:03:04):
The man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Is your birthday?

Speaker 21 (01:03:08):
It is?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
And Harvey Harvey. I don't know who Harvey is, but
Harvey dobbed you in on the text machine. Do you
know who Harvey is?

Speaker 21 (01:03:19):
I do know Harvey. He's a carphonetic from long Array.
I know exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Happy birthday, Phil, I hope you have a lovely day
and thank you very much. Hard This evening seven away.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
From six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Talk Uh here the read the pay equity Chippy won't
change the law back, but he's more than happy to
bank the savings from their terrible law. That's from Connell. Yeah,
I feel a little bit like explaining is losing right.
And I know that Chippy try to explain the distinction
to us, but I still have that. I just have
a niggling suspicion that when labor's back government and all

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of these ladies and people in the lower paid workers'
work places are going to come to them and go, Okay, cool,
so will you change the law back now? They will go,
oh yeah, some of it, some of it, but not
all of it. And so in the end what you're
going to end up with is a whole bunch of
disappointed people. I have a sneaky suspicion that Labor are
going hard on the politics but actually may be quite

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grateful that National and Act have pulled the pin on
the thing and stop this thing blowing out in the
way that it was. Listen, this is probably not going
to surprise you, but they've done this is Oxford University
has done some new research on you know, those weight
loss jabs like we go Vy and stuff like that,
and what that found is no surprise whatsoever. You will
lose weight while you're on it, but the minute you

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stop doing it, you put the weight back on. So
what they found is typically patients lose about eight kg's
on these weight loss jabs, but when you stop, you're
back at that weight that you were at within ten months.
The newer drugs like we govy are better. You lose
twice as much weight on average sixteen cag's, but once
you stop, you put on ten kgs a year, so
you're back to your You're waiting twenty twenty months, and

(01:05:02):
that'll be because you haven't changed any habits, have you?
No habits have changed. You haven't learned to not put
the pie in your face. You're just not hungry, so
you're not eating. So then the minute you start getting
hungry again, pie goes in. I know because I have
been there. Who hasn't. Frankly, Okay, here we go. The
value proposition is best if you go to the concert
by Usher or Drake or ed Shearon. So Usher you're

(01:05:26):
paying three dollars seventy six per song. Now remember this,
this is compete to Lanadale. Ray's the most expensive. She's
sixteen dollars a song. Usha is three dollars seventy six
per song, Drake is four dollars sixty six per song,
and ed Shearon is full dollars seventy nine per song
But what you really want to know is are you
getting value for money when you go to Oasis in
November in Melbourne thirteen dollars sixty per song thirteen dollars

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and this American dollars and that's not even fact So
that's expensive. That's not even factoring in your flights to Melbourne,
your hotel's Melbourne. And then the fact that Nadia wants
to go get the chocolate moose at the brand new restaurant,
that's probably gonna cost you five hundred dollars just to
go to that, So it's gonna be very expensive.

Speaker 10 (01:06:08):
Rod Duke next, keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Air Chattams is going to talk us through that report
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and whether it should actually Liam Dan on the rising
price of dairy and Ende Brady on what we do
now that potent snub the meeting. It's coming up eight
past six. Now when I say Briscoes, you imagine a
big store right with rows and rows of towels and
pots and pillows. The company is now adding fifteen mini
metro stores to its lineup to boost sales. Brisco's first

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quarter sales were down two point six percent, but its
business is largely held up when much of the retail
sector has really been struggling of late. Brisco Matt Group
Managing director Rod Duke is with us now, hay rod, Hi,
how a, you're doing very well. Thank you. Know what's
the thinking behind these mini stores?

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Well, it's part of our strategic look forward. So what
mught me do to increase outreach through New Zealand given
that the only thing we've got up left is relatively
smaller catchments, and so we're on a path to develop
a smaller unit which will address these the smaller catchments.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, like where are you thinking?

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
Well, there's probably about a dozen locations. I'll give you
a couple of examples. Tower Ager. I've got one store
in Toweroger. It's a pre big catchment. But I've got
one store downtown which addresses some of the over the
bridge catchment. But there's a much larger catchment developing further
out towards Bethlehem. We've got one store. Could we put
another two minis in there? Yeah? I think we probably could.

(01:08:04):
And that's the sort of thing we're looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
What about city centers, for example Auckland.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
Yeah, we've got a Yeah, we've got a downtown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Rebel at present, but that's not a Briscoes and Briscoes
is my jam.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I know, but look we are looking. But at
present they landlords have got stars of their eyes at
the moment. So look we're looking.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
We're like to god, is it that the landlords are
just charging too much?

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
Yeah? Yeah, it's just some of the some of the
sites we have looked at that's just unprofitable. I just
can't make any money.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Is this is this Auckland Central? Are we talking around?
You know the Queen Street type areas, those kinds of places, not.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
Necessarily Queen Street, but certainly in the in the adjacent
streets and buildings we're looking at. We'd like one in
downtown Auckland because look, there's a lot of apartments down
there's a lot of people enjoying SI living at present.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
What about Ponsonby Road asking for a friend?

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Yeah, I live nearby. That'll be handy for me as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
We could meet up there.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
Yeah, look we could, you have to. There's a lot
of smaller units there and they're individually held and so
it's it's hard to get you know, a thousand square
meters on the ground adjacent to one another. But look,
we're downtown in Wellington, we're downtown in christ Church. So
we've got downtowns in some of the big centers organized,

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but but not all. Look, Hamilton's another one. You know,
we're only on the north side. There's still lots of
housing on the on the east, west and southern side
of Hamilton, but it's just a bit tough to get
the right sized and right appropriate locations.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Yeah, I bet now this this distribution sense that you've
got lined up, it sounds like a game changer. How
big is this thing going to be.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
It's going to be about Bible six times bigger than
we've got. It's going to be, as you say, a
game changer for us because we've lived in relatively modest
sized DC center in just just Auckland, and so yeah,

(01:10:17):
we've got the the the problems of when stock comes in,
it's just got to go somewhere quick. So it just
goes into the stores and quite frank after's got too
much stock.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
In the stores, and so and and and presumably if
it's landing in the stores, then it's not necessarily in
the right store. And some stores are selling out faster
than they need to transfer. It's just like you'll be
double handling things the whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Look, my my interest store transfer is just to balance
the stock up is about nine hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah,
so that was that was just fall off completely. Yes,
I don't worry. Yeah, building right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Listen on the budget, are you is anything that you're
looking looking to in the budget? Anything you want out
of it?

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
Look, I just like a couple of nice, big items
so I can be convinced that the company's actually doing
something and looking to achieve something. I think that I
think right now they're working on a lot of fronts
and trying to complete a lot of stuff at one time.
So I just look for some guidance from them that
they're they're onto something like what, well, well, let me

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get some exclusions, you know, capital gains tax, wealth tax,
you know, I think that's that's probably not on their
cards anyway. But I'd like to see some infrastructure spending.
You know, I think I notice Australia just recently have
gone into toll roads and that's sort of thing. Can't
afford it and then look someone else can and there'll
be a toll on it for a period.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Did I detect a hint of frustration at the government
in your voice before?

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Look?

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
I think Look, I think I think we all appreciate
that they that the situation they walked into was pretty
ugly and they needed to do something, and they needed
to sit down and think about it and do something sensible.
But it look like most of us it's just about
time that elections rolling up, not that far away. It'd
be nice to see, nice to see the government. You're

(01:12:14):
kicking a few goals, and that's how I think what
all of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Us will say, some significant stuff. Rod, It's always wonderful
to talk to you. Thank you so much. Go well.
I'm looking forward to one of your briscos popping up nearby.
That's Rod Duke, Managing director of the Brisco Group. Thirteen
past six. Now are you want some population numbers, here's
some population numbers for you. We are officially, as of
the thirty first of March, sitting at five point three million.
I'm not going to lie. I was disappointed by that number.

(01:12:40):
I thought that well, I thought, surely we're tracking to
a good sixty good six mil. I thought, well, you
ever getting bigger? No? Five points, They're still sitting around
the five. Come on, people, I have some babies. Let's
get going. But then, to be fair and I'm going
to I have got to give you this disclaimer. The
numbers have come from Statistics New Zealand. Now we know
Statistics New Zealand have a problem with counting lately because

(01:13:01):
they did the inflation numbers that forgot to count the
red Joe price increase. They did the numbers on how
many people had lost their jobs in Wellington. They got
it wrong by a factor of about oh ten times.
So you know, could be could be six point five million,
could be seven point five million, but we're going with
five point three because that's what stat said. We have
two point six eight million females and two point six

(01:13:24):
five million males, So ladies, you still you're still battling
it out in a hunger game style. For the boys.
The median age is thirty nine years for the females
and thirty seven years for the boys so bit a
cradle Snatching fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
End seventeen past six. Now we've been speaking about the
price of dairy earlier in the program's been going up
quite a bit, driving the food costs higher. In the
last year or so, food prices up three point seven
percent over the last year, Milk up though fifteen percent,
cheese up twenty four percent, butter up sixty five percent.
Liam dann As The Herald's Business editor at large, Alam.

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
Get a Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
I mean it hurts, but we also see the good
side of this, which is that our farmers are making
some money for the country.

Speaker 27 (01:14:26):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:14:27):
Yeah, Well, I mean I always do. I'm always pleased
to see dairy prices booming. I know it's you know,
these rises weren't surprising any of the king bakers and
people who are using a lot of butter, because there's
been plenty of stories about it. Going through the roof.
But you know, and of course I had a look
on Facebook and everything on the story and all the
comments at the bottom. You know, why do we have

(01:14:49):
to pay so much when we make it here? And
I can't help thinking, do we make it or do
some you know, it's Fonterra is still a company of
you know, and the farmers are getting up at five
in the morning. They're making it when you know, we
can't tell them to sell it to us cheaper. They
can get a better price in China and they can
get a better price in China right now, so that
that's driving it up a little bit more. I think

(01:15:11):
on the you know, pointing towards where the inflation numbers
are headed, it's a little it was a little bit
more than the economists would have liked to have seen today.
They you know, there's some other prices we can't control,
like coffee prices were up about twelve percent, twenty one
percent for instant coffee drinkers. That's not much fun. But

(01:15:32):
you know, there's still the economists recently confident that, you know,
because of the real downturn in the core of the economy,
that the inflation isn't going to go back to those
high levels and that this temporary and you're going to
see or non tradable inflation continuing to fall to balance

(01:15:54):
it all out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Now, Liam, I see that the air fas and I
did make this point, you are in the program. The
air fees have drawn attention again because the international airfairs
for them just in April compared to March went up
by twenty five percent. That's, of course because there were
school holidays and you know, Easter and blah blah blah.
But now the obvious assumption is that the airlines have
hiked the price for the school holidays. But is it
also not possible that it simply is as more people book,

(01:16:17):
the supply and demand algorithm caccinna drives the prices up.

Speaker 14 (01:16:21):
I guess, you know, there's been that shortage of planes
and so on, but I would say, you know, fuel
prices are quite significantly down that they've been a good
you know, going in the right direction. So you know, yeah,
look as a dad who's booked all his overseas holidays
just recently during the school you know, and I have

(01:16:43):
to go during the school holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, it's a lot are still at school I thought
they were at UNI.

Speaker 14 (01:16:49):
Two of them are still at school and my wife's
a teacher, so I can't get around them. You know,
you don't think about when you think about the teachers
having all those holidays as they can't get the cheap
air fe is they've got to go winners a school holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
You know what that is?

Speaker 14 (01:17:00):
A what's that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
That's the first world problem.

Speaker 14 (01:17:04):
That's a first world problem. It absolutely is.

Speaker 12 (01:17:06):
Yeah, no, I'll accept that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Lim.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
It's good to talk to you as always. Thanks mate.
It's Liam dan Good, General Business Editor at Large. Hey,
got a little bit of good news for you, probably
New Zealand. Okay, we've only got this one aluminium recycler apparently.
Now I thought we had more than that, but apparently,
according to Business desk, we've only got one. It's called
Glue China Alloys, and it was in Business desk this
morning saying it's going to go out of business if

(01:17:30):
it can't find a replacement energy source because it's got
a gas contract with Genesis. But this thing is going
to run out in September next year and you know,
you know the price of gas and things are going
to get very expensive for them, so anyway, They thought
about switching to electricity, but that's not an option because Vector,
which is the local lines company, is going to charge
them half a million just to provide the capacity. Then
they have to spend three hundred thousand on equipment and

(01:17:52):
installation at the factory to make it all work and stuff.
So they were like, electricity is not an option. It's
it's eight hundred thousand right there, and gas is obviously
not going to be an option. So what are we
going to do anyway, So we gave them a call
and we said, hey, let's chat about it on the show.
We love a gas story. And they said, actually, we
can't come on the show because we might have a solution.
So I'm telling you that because all's well, potentially that

(01:18:15):
ends well. So we will keep an eye on what's
going on with Gluccina alloys and we will tell you.
Six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health, Home of the
new ol flags rapid evotags.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Oh, they set the algorithms, Heather, therefore it goes up.
Thank you, Simon. That's a fair point. Six to twenty four.
Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country is with us Hey
Jamie Heather. Hey, so we're handing out all these awards, right,
We're not handing them out, but we're going to talk
about them. You've got the Primary Industry's awards coming up.
Who's up for Rural Hero?

Speaker 21 (01:18:45):
Well?

Speaker 27 (01:18:45):
This is kind of the Agrarian Oscars, the Bovine Bastards,
the Equine Emmys. I couldn't think of any alliteration around Grammy's.
Maybe you could do that for me, Heather while I'm
going on about this. But yeah, this is the seventh
annual Prime Re Industry in New Zealand Awards and they've
named the finalists the highlight of the two day PINNs
Summit taking place in the christ Church Convention Center in

(01:19:10):
late June. The movers and shakers in the primary industry. Look,
I just picked out a couple of categories with some
interesting entrance. The Rural Hero finalists are the late Chris Allen,
who died in a farm accident honor Ashburton Farm last year.
He grave gave great service to Federated farmers and was
a great bloke as well. Neil Btup helped set up

(01:19:32):
the waikat O'haiaki Corrimandel Rural Support Trust in two thousand
and four and twenty seventeen. He went on to become
the founding chair of the New Zealand Rural Support Trust.
This guy has given endless service and I really love
this story. The third finalist in the Rural Hero Award
category is a guy called n Jury who for twenty

(01:19:53):
years has been raising money for the Taranaki Rescue helicopter
by collecting batteries for recycling. When we get to the
Champion Award, my old school Saint Peter's College and Gore
and first fifteen rugby mate Jim Ward James Ward is
up for recognition. He runs New Zealand's biggest farm, Molesworth's Station. Incidentally,

(01:20:15):
his late father, Ron was an All Black pre war
who had the distinction of playing in the Fords and
the backs for the All Blacks. He's up against a
research scientist, doctor Robin Dines and David Wheeler for that
Champion Award. So all sorts of categories up for grabs.
It's a great night out the rural folk of New Zealand.

(01:20:36):
The primary industry put on their finest the penguin suits
and everything, and it's off the christ Church.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
What about the grassroots Grammy says someone.

Speaker 27 (01:20:45):
Yeah, well that's not bad.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
Actually I might use that one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
With the Grammys.

Speaker 27 (01:20:51):
Well, I'll go with grassroots. It sounds that sounds a
wee bit better. But you can't beat grass bed grass
fed meat. It's spent a long day.

Speaker 24 (01:20:58):
Hey.

Speaker 27 (01:20:58):
The other awards that are coming up, Heather are coming
up in the little town of Lawrence in South Otago
on Saturday night, Century Farm and Station Awards. Now, Lawrence
is famous for being where Gabriel and Gabriel's Gully in
nineteen or eighteen sixty one they discovered gold. Population of
this little town swelled to over eleven thousand, and Dunedin

(01:21:20):
as a result, became New Zealand's pre eminent city before
it was eclipsed by Auckland. So look, it's a beautiful
little town. Still got wonderful Victorian and Edwardian buildings and facades.
And what happens at the Century Farm and Station Awards
as farms that have been in the same family ownership
for one hundred years or more get recognized. This year

(01:21:41):
they're celebrating twenty one or awarding twenty one families. It'll
be fantastic. The idea came about from a guy called
Russell Brown who lives down the road in a place
called Waiterhuna. He came up with the ida. There After
him and his wife hosted some North American tourists from
Vermont who told them about their State Century Farm program,

(01:22:01):
which did exactly the same things.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
If you eligible, eligible.

Speaker 27 (01:22:05):
Family, stop me when you want, Heather submit narratives of
their farm history with photographs supporting documents, and then they're
archived in the Alexander Turnbull Library and Wellington And a
final shot from me, Heather. The mackay family was recognized
in twenty eleven. And that's Barry Soaper's grandfather who bought
that farm way back in nineteen ten.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Hey, thank you, Jamie. I appreciate that. Jamie McKay, Host
of the Country.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Oh airge Adams Little to airge Adams. Oh yep. So
they're going to have they're going to tell us what
the government should do to help regional airlines quishers should
we headlines next.

Speaker 28 (01:22:44):
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Speaker 20 (01:22:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
We see the Brady's going to be with us in
around about ten minutes time. I'm sure he's going to
want to discuss what Cooton's just done, snubbing the whole
thing and just yeah, just putting this. These talks are
utterly pointless, as as we discussed earlier. So ten minutes
some will have chat him about that, Harry. Now, Harry's popularity,
it will be no surprise to you whatsoever has fallen
since he gave that ridiculous interview to the BBC where

(01:23:28):
he suggested that Charles is basically, you know, on borrowed time.
At the moment, he might be right. He might be right,
but you don't go and say that out loud about
your dad, do you. Anyway, So there's a UGOV poll
that's had a look at where everybody ranks in the
royal family. Harry's favorable rating. Favorability rating has dropped to
twenty seven percent. This is the lowest it's been in
two years. Meghan is down to twenty percent. This is

(01:23:51):
the lowest it's ever been since you have started tracking
in twenty seventeen, the year before she married into the
royal family, So she's back down to there. Compare that to,
just for a bit of context, William on seventy five percent,
Kate on seventy two percent, and these two clowns are
sitting on twenty percent something. Remember also for a bit
of context, Harry used to be on an eighty percent

(01:24:12):
approval rating back in twenty eleven, when everybody loved him
and thought he was cool because he was cool. Now
he's sitting on twenty seven percent, twenty three away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Heather due for CEL.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
A new report reckons the increase in domestic airfares may
be due to a lack of the right kind of planes.
In particular, airlines apparently don't have access to suitable nineteen
to fifty seat passenger aircraft. In New Zealand has abandoned
some regional routes, but the gap in the market hasn't
been filled yet. Now, Dwyane em Andy is the chief
commercial officer for Air Chathams and is with us. Now, hey,
Dwayne Goody, is this the problem? You guys don't have

(01:24:45):
these right kind of planes.

Speaker 29 (01:24:48):
No, we do, we do, they're just not making them.

Speaker 21 (01:24:50):
Anymore.

Speaker 29 (01:24:51):
So we're using older aircraft, and with older aircraft, you know,
it becomes a bit more maintenance intensive and you've got
to reinvest in them. Starts, it starts to cost a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Why don't that make them anymore?

Speaker 29 (01:25:02):
That's good question. There are a few operators like ATR
still produce new aircraft. I think Dawnia's got a new
variant coming out that's in that sort of thirty seat category.
But yeah, I guess everyone's starting to look sort of
ten years down the track and see what the new
generation aircraft is going to look like and putting a
lot of investment into that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Okay, see, but so they are still making them. They're
making these planes. Do you need these planes?

Speaker 21 (01:25:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:25:30):
I think they serve a really important role, especially in
remote regional connectivity. But I guess what's also happening is
that you're seeing bigger airlines, especially looking at centralizing in
larger regional hubs using larger aircraft potentially at less frequency,

(01:25:50):
but filling those planes up lower seat cost of They
can do that and that's quite effective for them. So
obviously the net result that is some of the smaller
regional ports, especially in New Zealand, just aren't serviced as
frequently as they used to be, in some cases.

Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
How much trouble are you guys in financially given what's
going on with the recession.

Speaker 29 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's challenging for for aviation businesses
at the moment. I think for us really it was,
you know, we had a pandemic and now we've got
a recession. It's just working through that. You know, we're
very well supported by our bank, so we're very fortunate
for that. But yeah, it's really really tough. I mean,
thirty six percent increase in direct operating cost cost of

(01:26:37):
capital is very high for us. And then it's our
ability to keep reinvesting in our business at a time
where you're just just not making the money. So very
very challenging, and of course that's why we're having these
conversations with both central and local government, just to see
how we can retain some of these really key services.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yeah, is anybody actually wanting to help you out?

Speaker 21 (01:26:59):
Well, I think that do.

Speaker 29 (01:27:00):
I think they do, but it's just a mechanism for
how you do that, because it really just doesn't exist
and he's yond at the moment, So a lot of
the conversations really are around you know, what would be
the best mechanism to ensure that we can at least
maintain what we have and then you know, develop something
further which enables it to actually grow. So I think,

(01:27:23):
you know, in the last probably eighteen months, there's been
some really positive conversations. I think that having someone like
Minister Meager coming into the role has been really quite
good because he understands it. He comes from to Muru.
You know, he's seen the impact of you know, some

(01:27:44):
of these regional connectivity issues, so he can sort of
really speak from the heart in terms of what he
thinks needs to happen and really drive his ministry to
work on that. So, you know, we've got some optimism,
but you know, something really does need to change, and
I think there really needs to be a bit of
a circuit breaker to say, hey, let's help these guys

(01:28:04):
out now while we work out this longer term picture.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Be honest with me, right, everybody loves to have a
crack at air in New Zealand, but is there anything
we can actually do? I mean, do you actually want
a market study? Would it actually achieve anything? Is there
anything that actually needs to change? There or are they
just doing business like they should.

Speaker 29 (01:28:21):
No, I don't think anything. I don't think a market
study would change anything. You know, what I've read from
body Zion's put out in the media, also what they
said to the Select Committee recently, we totally agree with.
I mean, the cost of running smaller turbo proper aircraft
regionally is really really high, and therefore their fears need
to be quite high too. So you know, if you

(01:28:44):
want to waste your time money on a market study,
fill your boots. But it's really not going to change anything.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Yeah, Dwayne, listen, beast of luck with it, because I
love what you guys do. Duane m Any, chief commercial
officer at Air Chathams. By the way, this battle between
Harvard and the Trump White House over the funding is
continuing and it looks like Harvard is getting, you know,
as you would expect, into a little bit of financial
strife over is a bit of cous just a bit
tight now, isn't it. So Harvard's president has announced he's
taking a voluntary pay cut. He's gonna cut a quarter

(01:29:12):
out of his salary voluntarily. He's expected other staff in
the top ranks will He's not like pressuring them, but
it has been no. He has let it be known,
and it is expected that others will also do the
same thing to varying degrees, to help them out while
they trying to figure out how they're going to make
this work without all that money coming from the White House.
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Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
It's a seven intebraded UK correspondence with us now ended. Laura,
the German just told me that someone just pulled a
knife on you. You okay, Yeah, I'm fine.

Speaker 20 (01:29:52):
May do you hear what's just happened to me? This
is London, though you never see a police officer. So
I'm two hundred meters away from my studio and there's
a guy standing behind a row of bikes that you
can hire by the hour, and he quite aggressively said
to me, can you give me three fifty for a bike?
And I never have any cash on me, so I said,

(01:30:12):
I have no cash on me. He then said, well fu.
He had a plastic pint glass full of liquid which
he threw at me. So I jumped out of the way.
The liquid went everywhere, and then I moved closer to
him and I said, why did you do that? And
quick as a flash, out comes the knife and he goes,
come on then, and I said, put the knife down
and we'll talk, and then he just kept moving. So

(01:30:34):
at that point I thought, I'm not getting stabbed over this.
Welcome to London, that is the city we live in.
I'm okay, I'm I'm just amazed. I mean, you never
see police officers. I'm looking down the street. Now there's
a bus stop, there's kids. There's a girl who's probably
twelve in school uniform, just getting on a bus. And
this incident happened one hundred and fifty meters away from

(01:30:55):
where those kids are. It's shocking what has become of London.
It really really is. And you know what, just permit
me ten more seconds on this, Heather. I've just come
back from Warsaw in Poland. I've been filming in Poland.
But the presidential election this weekend for the last three days,
clean safe police everywhere and nobody bothers you. And I've

(01:31:16):
just had that on my way to working.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
I just want to ask, so you are I mean,
you are out of Ham's way, right, He's not going
to come.

Speaker 20 (01:31:23):
Yeah, No, I'm true. I'm true. Security. Now I'm in
the studio. I'm happy, but I'm just a little bit shaken.
But like I'm quite annoyed because the city is getting lawless?

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
What's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:31:35):
Did you never see any police officers?

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
Why?

Speaker 20 (01:31:37):
Just never see? I don't know where the money goes.
It is the mystery of modern Britain. I'm paying I'm
in the top one percent of taxpayers and earners in
the United Kingdom. I don't know where the money goes, Heather,
They're certainly not spending it on police officers. And there's
no point even going to the police about this. I've
reported it to security downstairs there dealing with it, but

(01:31:59):
there's there's usually never see cops.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Yeah, well, the listener, this is and I mean, I
hate to say this because I really hate it. The
bad people get away with bad behavior. But in don't
next time something like that happens, don't ask him why
you did that, Just leave because you don't need Lucky
to do He actually, you know, showed you what he
was up to before you actually got in trouble. Now listen,
speaking of all of this crime and stuff, you guys
are running out of prison space again as well.

Speaker 20 (01:32:20):
Yeah, they are. So it's a big announcement from the
government today. Nine point four billion dollars is being set
aside in the budget. They're going to build three new
prisons and the reason being they've done their figures and
they've calculated how many come in and out of the
criminal system and the prison estate as they call it,
and by November it will be full. So as of
today they're on ninety nine percent capacity. And if you

(01:32:43):
remember when Starmer took power of July last year, one
of the first things he had to do was let
guys out early. And there were not huge criminals. They
were not rapists or pedophiles or murderers. These were people
who had stolen things or you know, traffic violations, people
who you know, were serving six to twelve month sentences.
They were let out early in their one hundreds for

(01:33:04):
several weeks. Clearly, they can't keep doing that, so the
plan is three new systems' prisons to be built in
the UK system in the next three years.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Are you surprised that Gary Lineker actually apologized for something
for once.

Speaker 20 (01:33:18):
Yes, I am really in a way, and I think
he'd no option here. He is leaving his BBC Match
of the Day role in a matter of weeks, but
he has been booked to do the twenty twenty six
Soccer World Cup on the BBC and that will be
his last big gig for the corporation. So what he's
done is he has reposted and shared on Instagram a

(01:33:39):
clip a video and it says Zionism explained in two minutes,
and there is a rat emoji on that footage. Now
clearly we know this goes all the way back to
the Third Reich and the kind of imagery and language
used by the likes of Hitler and Goebbels and the
rest of them. He deleted it very very quickly. He
says he didn't want to cause offense, but he has apologized.

(01:34:02):
I think a lot of his Jewish colleagues at the
BBC are extremely angry. Jewish organizations are calling for him
to be sacked. Watch this space, but he does seem bulletproof. Yeah,
it's a strange one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
It really is. A listen putin calls for a meeting,
then doesn't turn up. What the hell's he up to?

Speaker 20 (01:34:20):
So he has absolutely no interest in peace. I mean
the whole point of what they're doing. And from every
senior Russian that I have interviewed over the last three
plus years of this war, the plan is that Ukraine
does not exist, and they will grind on if it
means an inch every week, and they do this for
the next thirty years. That is the plan. He has

(01:34:41):
no interest in peace whatsoever. And I think Zelenski has
played a master stroke by calling him out and saying
I'll be there, will you, And he knew he knew
Putin would not turn up. Putin sending a deputy deputy
culture minister. I mean, it's two fingers up to everyone.
But at least hopefully now Trump and Vance and the
rest of them in America can see what they're dealing with,

(01:35:04):
because make no mistakes, and I predict this here and now,
within the next three to five years, once Putin has
recovered his economy and he gets more men into his military,
he will go after one of the Baltic nations like Estonia.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Yeah, let's hope that doesn't happen, but I think you
might be right, and to listen, thank you very much,
and yeah, go and calm your nerves. That's endo. Brady
how UK correspondent. I mean, do we even need to
say this? There is value? I mean this is to
Tamotha obviously, Tabitha of the Greens, there is value in
having the coppers around. I know that they freak Tamotha out,
but for the rest of us, there's value in having

(01:35:37):
the coppers around. Do we even need to say that?
And it just made the point nine away from seven?

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
It's the Heather too.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Oh lord, I'm such a boomer. I can't believe it.
I'm a boomer. I'm not even a boomer's age. I
have to download teams on my phone for a call tomorrow.
Got to do a call tomorrow. And I said to
the woman who would be honestly about two years younger
than me upstairs, basically the building works like this.

Speaker 10 (01:36:06):
It's like.

Speaker 16 (01:36:08):
You, Oh, I can't wait to hear this very correct.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
The higher you go up the building, it's it's it's
commensurate to your brains, like, hey, your IQ, So she's
above me. A floor. So she's smarter than me. So
I said to her today, I was like, how am
I going to connect to this call tomorrow?

Speaker 15 (01:36:24):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
What's the format?

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
WhatsApp? Is it the phone? Is it the whatevers? I
don't know what's the other one that we use?

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Zoom is it that?

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
She goes n it's teams. She goes go into your
calendar and vite gun and I was like, I know
how to do that. Then she's like, it's teams and
I was like, okay, I don't know how to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
She was like, you've got it? Download? Oh no, now
I have to tonight. I have to download teams for
a phone call tomorrow, just for the one phone call.
I have to download the teams. And it's irritating me.
I'm irritated, Like I am so irritated by it. Anyway,
maybe Verry can help either of Gosh, no, he can't,
because you know what happens when he when he has

(01:36:59):
to deal with the technology, he slams the things down.
The keyboard gets slammed down. It's just a disaster.

Speaker 16 (01:37:04):
And don't ask Darsy Watergrove for any help either. I
know for any electronic device that comes within about a
meter of them immediately starts creating problems, whether or not
he's touching it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Anyway, what I've decided to do is I'm a bit
young for it, but I'm just going to lean into it.
Like the guys here at work talk to me about
something called the slack, no idea what the slack is,
and they're like, I'll just go on the slack and
I'm like, I'm not going on it because I don't
know what it is. I don't even know what it
looks like. I don't know where to find it. I
don't know if it's a rolling thing or if it's
a picture that I don't know what it is. And
I don't want to know, and I don't want anybody

(01:37:35):
to explain it to me, and I don't want to
be asked to use it. I just want other people
to help me with it, like a proper boomer. And
I'm enjoying it. By the way, I listen really quickly
before we go. There is an award show you've probably
never heard of. It's called the Webby Awards and it
was held earlier this week. And what it does is
it Awards Internet Content Creators on their work, and this
year it gave them a challenge and it said you're
allowed to come up, but you're only allowed five words

(01:37:55):
for your acceptance speech, not like an oscar where they
go on fever five words. So you know the ugly
one and he's ugly. He's actually very handsome. But you
know the one with the hair from the White Lotus,
Walter Goggins, you know the one who's got the greasy hair.
He won the Best Actor. This was his speech.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Yeah, it happens, be grateful, very dramatic.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
The Advocate of the Year, congress Woman Jasmine Crockett, went political.

Speaker 22 (01:38:20):
Only organized Outrage Overcomes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Oppression and the Taktok Stars Jake Shane, he did it
Tech Talk Stars.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
I want to say more.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
There we go and I want to say no, I
counted it as well. I want to say more.

Speaker 16 (01:38:38):
Yeah, I guess, I guess if we pull him up,
we're being visa.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
He shouldn't, though he should because he was like because
classic classic baby children. They can't say a word, they
can't say a sentence. Where that unlike anyway.

Speaker 16 (01:38:50):
I suppose TikTok he can usually do as many texts
as he wants going, Shearon sing to play us out
tonight because apparently, according to that serve you were talking
about earlier, he is the best value you can go
to a concert permit.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
It was Usher.

Speaker 16 (01:39:04):
Yeah, so Usher is if you would go buy song
three dollars seventy six a song insurant ninety one cents
per minute, so you do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Have to sit through. And Sharon, well, this is the whole.

Speaker 21 (01:39:12):
Thing with me.

Speaker 16 (01:39:13):
I mean, if you like a Landadel Ray song, you
won't care that she only played ten. You'd rather watch
ten of those than forty in schering songs, wouldn't you,
no matter how many much you're paying a minute?

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Pree Sester, enjoy it. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
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