Full Show Podcast: 15 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen. Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Youth folk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon. Coming up on Today show, Wellington City
Councilor Tim Brown on why he reckons they don't need
the government to intervene. The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists
will explain to us why on Earth's language directive has
been sent out to nurses and the White Cuttle wh
why the people of Herne Bay and Auckland are stoked
they'll get a say on Anna Moobray's helipad application.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Heather Dupicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
So once again, another day we're left wondering what the
hell is going on in Health New Zealand. The latest
weird thing that they've done is they've sent out a
memo at Wye cuttle Or Hospital instructing the nursing staff
that they're only allowed to speak to patients and each
other in English. Now it's been leaked to the media
by a doctor who's really upset about it. Doctor reckons
it's obviously to their mind anyway. Aimed at Indian, Filipino

(00:58):
and Pacifica nurses. Now Look, if you've been in a
hospital recently, and I've spent a fair bit of time
in hospital with quite sick husband in Auckland, you're going
to be you know, it's no surprise to you to
know that there are a lot of foreign nurses in
the hospitals, particularly on the heartward. I would say lots
and lots of Indian nurses. Apparently we have one of

(01:20):
the highest levels of foreign trained nurses in the OECD.
We're the second highest. Ireland's got the highest, It's got
fifty percent foreign trained nurses. We've got thirty six percent.
There are three other countries with high numbers, UK, Ozzie, Switzerland,
and then everyone else in the OECD has less than
five percent of their nurse workforce made up of migrants.
So five percent compared to our thirty six percent, you

(01:41):
can see we've got a lot, right, So we've got
a lot of people who presumably speak other languages and
speak those languages to each other. What's the problem. I
don't know why they can't. I mean if they're speaking.
For example, if a nurse is speaking to a patient
in another language, the patient obviously prefers that language over English.
Surely that's better for the patient. That's got to be

(02:02):
better they are able to communicate what's going on in
their preferred language, rather than muddling through trying to speak
and broken English. I can sort of understand in terms
of nurses speaking to each other in another language, it
may be a bit of a problem, but only in
some settings. For example, if you've got a team of
medical professionals trying to save someone's life and the two
of the nurses are speaking to each other in a
foreign language, no one else can understand. I can see

(02:24):
that that would be a problem. How often do we
really think that's happening, And do we really believe that
nurses are that unprofessional that they would put a patient's
live at risk just so to speak another language. And
if that kind of thing was happening, surely that would
be serious enough, if it was putting someone's life in
danger to generate an incident report, not just a little
memo being sent out to all staff, Which leaves us

(02:45):
with one other possibility, which I think is probably the
most likely here simply there are people in hospitals, whether
patients or other staff, who don't like hearing other languages
being spoken other than English. Now, that's nuts. If that's
the case, and I hope it isn't. We need to
grow up as a country right. We are a multicultural
society now and we will only become more so as

(03:06):
we increasingly in this country rely on migrant workers to
replace our brain drain and our lack of babies. Hearing
other languages you don't understand is not weird. In other
parts of the world, places like Europe, Asia Africa, you
often hear people speaking other languages. Most of the time
you have no idea what they're saying, and one day
it's not going to be weird in New Zealand either.

(03:27):
We cannot force everyone to speak English all of the
time just because that's the only language that we can speak.
And health New Zealand, as an employer of many, many,
many migrant workers, should know this better.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Than most ever do.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
For Sea Island, welcome to get.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Involve nine two nine two as the text number. Standard
text fees apply now to the universities. Some universities are
apparently reversing to pen and paper exams to cut down
on cheating. Pen and paper exams we're, of course, the
only kind of exam for a lot of unique courses
for centuries, but since the pandemic, we've seen a number
of students sit their tests online. And while these digital
exams do come with systems designed to prevent cheating, some

(04:04):
students are finding ways around that, aren't they. Stephen Marshall
is the director of Victoria University Center for Academic Development
and with us now. He Stephen A, what are you
guys doing? Are you back to pen and paper?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Well, we do a bunch of things. It depends a
little bit on the course and what the needs of
the students are and where they are in terms of location.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
But we are.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Returning in some cases for good reason to pen and paper,
particularly while we transition towards other forms of assessment in
the future.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
What are the other forms of assessment?

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Anything where you can get people talking to each other
and observing what they're talking about and seeing evidence of
them doing the sort of complicated, rich things that people
do in modern and collaboration environments.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Basically oral exams, and potentially.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
That's one of the formats, but also collaborating around the
creation of something on a collaborative tool that might be
about visual material or written material working together. There's a
bunch of different ways people now work, and we need
to be assessing those skills as well as the traditional
long form test type skill.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
You guys seeing cheating on the digital exams.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
We've had a few instances where there were some issues
that the proctering environment flagged as potentially an issue, a
very small number, to be honest, it's actually very difficult
to really nail down exactly what might be happening in
a remote environment on a remote device. We haven't actually,

(05:41):
to my knowledge, pursued very many formal cases, if any
at all, when we were using the digital proctering tools.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
For a bunch of reasons.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
How do kids get around this stuff? I mean, I
would have thought it would be pretty straightforward. I don't know,
you'd be able to run some sort of an AI
device over the thing and see if there's been cheating
going on. Is not simple? Are they just smarter than
they just get around it?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
It's not as simple as some people would make it
sound like. Depending on the type of tool that you
use to control what somebody is doing, you can lock
down most of the sort of immediately obvious ideas that
people have, such as using another device or having someone
else being able to communicate with you, or perhaps using
a virtual machine or some some sort of technical wizardry

(06:26):
like that. The really solid platforms that we've tested will
lock machines down so that some of those things are
very difficult, if not impossible, to do. The problem is
that in so doing, they create an environment that's technically
quite brittle, and that leads us to creating more harm
as we put students through a process that they're already stressed.

(06:47):
They're already wound up because it's a big deal doing
well in these things.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
You want to tex Steven, how stressed out do you?
How stressed out are they having to write an entire
exam out with pen and paper? Do you remember having
to do it at school?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Absolutely, and right you would have.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Been practiced at writing with a pen. These kids aren't.
And even then your risk was saw by the end
of it. Sow, how are they coping with this?

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:10):
It is It is a problem. We're doing some things. Actually,
we're shortening tests. So many of our end of year
paper tests where we're doing it in pen and paper
are now only two hours rather than three hours. And
and part of that is because we do know that
they're not as skilled and trained at writing with a pen,
as they have been in the past. The other feature,
of course, is that it affects marking time of people's

(07:31):
handwriting really disintegrates under pressure and lack of practice. It's
that much harder for our staff to really understand what
they've written and give them the proper credit for it,
so it's not ideal.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, hey, Steven, listen, thank you very much, really appreciated.
Stephen Marshall, Director of Victoria University Center for Academic Development, Jes,
I feel for these kids. Do you remember we used
to write with pen and paper all the time, But
sitting through a three hour exam and writing of the pen,
you dread it. Now, imagine these kids. All they do
all the time is they sit there. All of the
kids nowadays, this their whole life. I don't even know

(08:05):
what it means to write on being and baber anymore.
Then it's terrifying for them. Hither, speaking English is a
question of respect in the workplace to promote inclusion. Having
languages spoken that not everyone can understand can make people
think that they are gossiping about them. We have the
same policy on our workplace English only, as all employees
can then understand what is being said, How parochial, how

(08:27):
utterly embarrassing to have a what planet are you on?
Your workplace? Thinks everybody there needs to speak to speak English.
And this is the kind of crap that makes New
Zealand look like we're behind the world, a tidy little country.
At the end, we only speak English here and nobody
else in that to speak anything else. Grow up, have
thousands of languages out there. Let them speak their languages

(08:49):
if they want to. What are you jealous that they
can speak more languages than you can? The whole world
can ps four sixteen.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither dupless Allen
drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business,
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Speaker 3 (09:10):
Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters with me, Darcy, Hello, Heather,
Peter HECKU No, what punishment is the sky going to get?

Speaker 8 (09:21):
It could be three or five weeks. People don't know
what I'm talking about. He's a guy's been knocked out
in a game of Super League. Okay, he's prone on
the ground, couldn't tell he was knocked out. He smashed
into the deck and Peter was part of the tackle.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
So the guy in the maroon, the guys in the
blue are tackling the guy in the maroon, and the
guy in the maroon is at the bottom of the
rock in the rugby league and everybody gets off him,
and Peter is the last guy in blue standing there
looking at the sky in the maroon, just lying there.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
On his face, and he leans over.

Speaker 8 (09:51):
He touches his upros bicep and he moves it to
make sure slight and he goes, oh, oh no, I'll let.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
That back down again because he obviously not, and.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
Tries to say, come and get over here and help
the bloke. So Hule Kingston rovers that's what he plays for.
He is facing a band of three to five matches
for inappropriate touching of a knocked out player.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Now hold on, okay, So inappropriate touching immediately makes you
think of silly buggers like sexy stuff. But that's not
what we're talking about. This is about inappropriately because he's
in a medically prone situation right, not.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Entirely sure what you're sexy.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Stuff, I mean inappropriate.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
We're talking about, okay, so unnecessary contact with a player
who may or may not be injured.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Junior assemble is the guy who got It's like.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Have these people suspended their common sense?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh, it's sport, of course they have.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Is this some sort of a black and white rule?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's one of the more world. But what the guys,
I actually don't know.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
I'm presuming he's okay. I was just looking at the
coverage of it over and over again, going did you
did you?

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Really?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So I will see what happens to them? A good
reckon for finals time.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
But Jesu's weird people.

Speaker 9 (11:07):
I get.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
It's like when they have the situation where somebody gets
knocked out on the street or falls over or you know,
is there a doctor in the airplane and back in
the day you jump up your help.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
But in the States, no one wants to touch anyone.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
No, because you could get sued.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Absolutely yeah, So neighbor understands around watches and goes, I'm
not going to help them. And I wonder if this
person that gets set someone gets injured really badly and
you've lift his arm up, it might have done a
reparable damage by doing it.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
But he was just like, you're right, mate, looked at
oh old, put that down again. It seems insane, but
there you go.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Are you going to the football this weekend because it's
the first game, it's the inormal game of the Auckland FC.
You don't know, I'm going. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 8 (11:51):
Out smart Yeah yeah, I'll.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Watch it on the TV.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Quite keen. If you're going to go to any match,
this is the match you want to go to because
they've got to put on a hullabaloo.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well you'd think they would and hopefully win.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Make a fuss of it and hopefully fireway.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Are you getting treated to corporate hospitality?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I am yes, thanks for asking and just shaming me
out on air. It's actually AUKLANDFC has invited me, so
I'm being invited by the big dogs. Actually really got
my stuff a T shirt?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh nice.

Speaker 8 (12:21):
Yeah, he invited me too, But I forgot to r
S v P and then went to Australia, you know,
and I was taking my daughter over to the Gold
Coast for a week to do some daddy dot bonding,
which I did, which is lovely.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
The point of talking about this is basically because they've
got a captain. They've named the captain.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
Yeah, the Japanese international heroic Sakai is named there and
he doesn't do a lot of media because apparently he's English.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Is not great.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
But then I'm told from the coaching staff and everywhere
else I was English.

Speaker 10 (12:53):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
He's just not realty good at the media.

Speaker 11 (12:55):
English.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Maybe that's just a great.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Excuse to not deal with us. And I that I
He's got a couple of co captains as well. There's
the Ossie's midfielder called Jake Brimmer and Tommy Smith the
defender vice Captaincy as well.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So great signing and yeah she'll be a big season.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Keep us posted on how the guy in maroon goes
after sucking on the mud for ages. That's Darcy Waldgrave's
sports talk host. He'll be back at seven this evening,
four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Heather Dupisicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Dupericy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Heather, where is our Darlene Tana update? It's entertainment at
its best, isn't it? Ben? Thank you for raising Darlene.
What did I say about the Greens going ahead with
their plan to try to kick Darlene out. I said,
I'm not sure it's smart that they should be having
this meeting because Darlene's going to do something before the meeting.
The meeting's on Thursday. What has Darlene done. She's going
to the Court of Appeal now, So she's going to
the Court of Appeal to try to stop the Greens

(13:56):
from kicking her out of the party, which is the
point of the meeting, to decide if they should kick
her out of the party, and she's going to argue
that the High Court got it wrong. They're going to
meet on Thursday anyway, which is really the only They
can't cancel twice, so it's going to have the meeting anyway.
But whatever they decided the meeting, the Court of Appeal
thing is going to hang over them, so it just
drags on on and on and on and on and on.

(14:17):
For sure, bet they will regret taking her on because
they thought they thought that Darlene was a little bit dumb.
But Darlne's got a lot of money behind her as
a Green Party donor, and money go the long way anyway.
I'm sure Barry Soap will have something to say about that.
On Wellington City Council. David Seymour has probably given the
strongest hint yet of what the government is considering doing
with the council.

Speaker 12 (14:38):
Well I think the first step is the government can
put an observer on there.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
That would be a good start.

Speaker 12 (14:43):
Clearly they're not making good deceiving on behalf of people
in Wellington. They decide they want to own an airport,
but somehow they can't manage to get all the water
that goes out of the dam all the way to
people's houses.

Speaker 9 (14:55):
It seems to leak out on the way.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Now, if you listened to Nichola Willis on the show
last night, she also had that a Crown observer would
be the way that they go. So actually keep an
eye on that and we'll talk about it with Tim Brown,
one of the counselors after five hither, I don't agree
with you on the nurses. You need to know what
is being discussed with regards to your health. I would
not be happy if I was in hospital and couldn't
understand what was being said about my health English for me.

(15:16):
Thank you. Well, then ask them to speak English to
you and they will. They will speak English to you
because that's the only language you speak. I think you're
missing the point. Headline's next hard questions.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Strong opinion, Heather Duper see Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected and used talk because it'd be.

Speaker 13 (15:35):
You know, I'm falling a part and fine, I've got.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Murray Old standing by. Oh now we know why Albow
wanted to sell that investment property of his because he
needed to buy a flash new pad for his bird
before they get married. Muzz will talk us through it
and just to take Verry so with us in ten
minutes time. I'm fascinated, by the way about this brew
haha about Animobra and Ali Williams wanting to put the
halipad into their property in Herne Bay. Now Herne Bay,

(16:15):
if you know, Auckland is fancy, like that's a fancy
part of town. There's a lot of nice houses around there.
And so you know, when you've got a couple of
gazillionaires moving in with gazillions to spare, maybe what they
want to do is put in a halipad. Well, the
neighbors do not like that at all, and so now
it's been decided that the application to build the halipad

(16:36):
will have to be publicly notified, which means that all
the neighbors are going to get to have a say
on whether they are allowed to have the halipad there
or not. Now, what the neighbors are worried about is
the safety of people using Cox's Bay, presumably because it
might get blown over by the helipads down the helicopters downdraft.
I don't know the habitat of native birds that roost

(16:57):
on the headland of the property as well, they're worried about,
and you'd have to say the noise pollution, right. So
the couple have decided that what they're going to do
is they're only going to fly either side of low
tide to avoid disturbing the roosting birds, and they'll only
fly between seven and ten and they only want to
do four trips a day. It's not like a day.
That's more than most people get in their entire lives
in a java. But anyway, good, I'm not jealous. Good

(17:19):
for them, because shoot for the stars people. Anyway, why
I'm fascinated by this is because I feel like it's
exactly the same kind of argument you're getting out of
wai Heki Island at the moment, which is people who
just don't like rich people and they're toys. And is
this not part of what happens when a country grows up, right,
you grow up as a country, You get people, the
people in your country start becoming incredibly wealthy. And when

(17:41):
they're incredibly wealthy, they want to do things like fly
the chopper in and out of the house and stuff
like that in the resource four times a day between
seven and ten. To be fair, seven's a little early.
Seven is a little early when you take into account
daylight saving. I think you need to push it to eight.
And ten o'clock's way too late. And Alle and them
should know because they've got a baby. Heaven, they've got
a baby. You just had one the other day or
something like that. I think, well, that try well, so

(18:03):
anyway they got married, Well, then a baby naturally comes
after that, so they're going to have a baby if
they don't already have one. And then no baby's awake
at ten o'clock at night, so you've got to condense
those hours. I'd say eight to seven, that's okay anyway.
But I just feel like we're holding people back because
you know, we're not used to like really rich people.
We're going to talk to one of the neighbors about
that when he's with us. After half past five. It's

(18:25):
twenty two away from five.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Canada has expelled six Indian diplomats, accusing them of orchestrating
a campaign of violence against South Asian Canadians. Canadian officials
say they've uncovered evidence over the past year of Indian
government involvement in home invasions, in shootings, and into homicides
on Canadian soil. Here's justin Trudeau.

Speaker 14 (18:48):
Canada and India have a long and storied history, rooted
in people to people ties, business and trade. But we
cannot abide what we're seeing right now.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah. So the house that Elbow bought is a cliff
top house on the New South Wales central coast, and
he spent four point seven million dollars properly put in
a halipad. At some stage he was asked whether this
was a good look in a cost of living crisis.
This is what he said.

Speaker 15 (19:14):
As a Prime minister, I earn a good income.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
I understand, I understand how I've been fortunate, but also
know what it's like.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
To struggle Ozzie correspondent Murrayold's very shortly from his own
cliff top mansion. And finally, a museum at Cambridge University
is using AI to bring some of its exhibits back
to life kind of. So visitors to the Museum of
Zoology will be able to speak to a Dodo skeleton,
a stuffed red panda, and a bunch of other exhibits,

(19:45):
and the exhibits will use the power of AI to
talk back in real time. The exhibits will be able
to speak more than twenty Don't Tell Health New Zealand.
The exhibits will be able to speak more than twenty
languages and will change their tone based on who they're
speaking to.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Murray Old's Ozzie correspondents with us. Now, Hey, Mars, welcome
back mate.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
How are you going?

Speaker 10 (20:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I'm very wealthare Do you know where I was? I
was in Melbourne, just up the road from you.

Speaker 16 (20:13):
Now, that's down the road Leak City. Yeah, No, down there, mate, No.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Cold, isn't it. That's a bit of a hole, isn't it.
Actually compared to Sydney.

Speaker 9 (20:21):
Well, I don't like it, but there we go.

Speaker 16 (20:23):
They say they've got better coffee. I doubt that.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Too, mate, I was, how you what, No, they do not.
I got home and made myself a coffee and I
was like, that's where it's at year Melbourne Water Ever anyway,
So Elbow's house is quite nice, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (20:34):
It is?

Speaker 16 (20:35):
Yeah, And apparently we're told that a four point three
million dollars and they bought it at a discount. At
last sold for three hundred and fifty k more than that,
and back at the height of COVID when people were
see changing like Billy Oh, was bought then for four
point sixty five million, So a nice little discount for
Elbow and his bride to be, Jody, who grew up

(20:56):
on the Central Coast, not far from their new home.
It'll be the whole day home. It's pretty flash. My
old man used to talk about. My father, Doug used
to talk about Flash Harry, whoever the hell Flash Harry was.
But it looks like Elbow's flash. Elbow four bedrooms, three bathrooms,
spaces for three cars. As you said on the clip,

(21:17):
Primo real Estate and their Elbow making much is he
has done all his political life to the fact he
was born to a single mum who had a shipboard
romance with an Italian waiter on a cruise, raised in
government housing in inner Sydney. And yes, it's not the
best look when the vast majority of the population is
struggling like BILLYO over here. I did look it up though,

(21:37):
by way of comparison, Peter duptnowns at least five investment
properties commercial and residential, up and down the coast of Queensland.
So I'm not sure he's going to be throwing any
any stones at Elbow's glasshouse.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Surprised it's their holiday and their actual home must be
very bloody flash.

Speaker 16 (21:55):
Well they living the lots in Cabra.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Oh yeah, So when they move out of the lodge,
are they going to move into this place permanently? Is
that the idea?

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (22:02):
I wouldn't have thought. So he's the MP for a
seat called Grangler, which is in the gritty inner city
of Sydney, so he's got digs there as well.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Nice all right for something ad By, listen, why are
the cops all of a sudden interested in this? Nineteen
ninety Arsen I mean that's eight years ago.

Speaker 16 (22:19):
That's thirty four years ago, and it's very intriguing. We're
not sure exactly why, but look, it was a very
tragic story. Indeed, back in nineteen ninety a guest house
in Ipswich, that's less than an hour southwest of Brisbane,
an old fashioned wooden Queensland boarding house, was deliberately set
alight and of the twenty eight people who were there
that night or asleep, five died ages forty one to eighty.

(22:44):
A man was charged with arson and murder a couple
of years after that, but the case was then dropped
two years later, and we're not sure why. Inquiries have
still been going on sporadically. But I'll tell you what.
If the state government is offering half a million dollars
for information that might solve this case, they must have
something to go on. Police are saying that back in

(23:06):
the day here there would have been some local fear
about dobbing someone in. So whether or not someone's passed
away or there's more information that's come to light, we
don't know about.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
This is a real mystery, very interesting stuff. Mars, thank
you very much appreciated. Look after yourself it's Murray Old's
Ossie correspondent. No, Heather. People landing helicopters in the house
next to you is not just part of growing up.
It's about people being dickheads. Ah, that's why. That's obviously
that's their motivation. They're like, do you know what, I
don't think we're enough of a dickhead? Should we get
a chopper? Yeah, let's get a chopper. Let's be a dickhead.

(23:39):
You really think that's why they're flying the chopper. I
feel like they're flying the chopper because they just it's convenient.
It's much faster to get the kids to school with
a chopper than it is in the Auckland rush hour traffic.
If you add the option, you'd chopper, wouldn't you. I
would be chopper across town to be awesome chopper.

Speaker 18 (23:56):
Awkland schools have helipads.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I don't know, do you need to do you necessarily
need to actually just cost the kids out with Paris.
She's one of those like like one of those ropes
like the people use when they do the Jesse saving
You just go, kids go down down and then they
climb back up and one of those little Yeah, it'd
be awesome, fantastic, fantastic upper body strength for the children
here the nurses don't determine the course of treatment. Any

(24:19):
conversations that they may have in Swahili or Greek will
be about the poor working conditions and the winy patients
that do nothing but complain about the Asian invasion too.
Che sixteen Away.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
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Speaker 3 (24:33):
Very senior political correspondence with us Hi Barry.

Speaker 9 (24:36):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
So the big chat in Parliament today was about the
Manawanui sinking.

Speaker 19 (24:39):
Yeah, it was interesting because Parliament was back after recess
today and for the best part of the first hour
they discussed the sinking of the Worship of Samoa and
there has been talk of two hundred thousand liters of
fuel escaping as it tilted to the side. What a

(25:00):
interesting in all of this, though, is the praise for
the ship's crew and the captain, and that was certainly
the case when Chris Pink stood in for the Defense
Minister in Parliament today.

Speaker 20 (25:12):
With this, we should be incredibly proud of all of
our New Zealand Defense Force personnel who are all highly
skilled and serve New Zealand without hesitation. With the passengers
and crew safe, the government's focus shifted to mastgating any
environmental impacts. Sir, I assure this House, the people of
New Zealand and those of some more, we will do
everything that we can. It is important so that we

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do not rush to speculate on what happened, and also
to allow the court of inquiry process to play out
while we do not yet know what caused this terrible incident.
I do wish to echo the sentiments of Minister of
Defense due to Collins, that we do know that the
ship's captain's gender had no role to play in the incident.

Speaker 9 (25:53):
That extraordinary. I mean, what the hell would a gender
have anything to do with.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Why she's a lady Barry.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Yeah, well you could say that that's ridiculous. I just
I found that piece rather extraordinary.

Speaker 19 (26:07):
And the other thing is that is interesting to me
is that it's a military court of inquiry that will
look into.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Why the ship Saint.

Speaker 19 (26:15):
Now shouldn't the public know a bit more than what
a court of inquiry for the military would uncover.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
I mean they're inquiring into their own Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Are you suggesting that a military court of inquiry is
not transparent.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Well, i'd hope it would be.

Speaker 19 (26:31):
But generally this is not necessarily acquiring the military, aren't.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Actually, Hey, Now, if Dulian
goes to the Court of Appeal, like she says she's
going to go, she will. She will be able to
she will be able to potentially argue that the Greens
cannot use the Waker jumping legislation against her right But
could they not do it before the Court of Appeal
actually hears it? Could they not get ahead of it?

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (26:55):
They will do, won't they, because they could kick her
out what they're meeting on Thursday, and it only takes
a letter to the Speaker, one would assume to get
rid of this woman from Parliament.

Speaker 9 (27:08):
There are certain.

Speaker 19 (27:09):
Legal parameters though, surrounding that that haven't really been explored
yet because the legislation itself hasn't been tested. And you know,
there's an argument that MPs are sworn and under their
own name as opposed to their party, and that's true,
but they're still on the party ticket. So I think
they will invoke the Waker jumping legislation and you'll be

(27:32):
pleased to hear hither that Darling. Tana was at work today.
In fact, she was asking a question. She's told Parliament
she's worried about the fish species in the hierarchy golf
and even attempted to make something of a.

Speaker 22 (27:47):
Joke crayfish is functionally extinct, that one in five snapper
are so sick as to be referred to as zombies,
and that Kenner is left to run so rampant that
such that is received at a rate faster than many
honorable members' hairlines.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
That had them rolling in the arms, of course, realize
where it had come from.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, okay, so. And the other thing that we're talking
about in Parliament today was what's going on with Gaza
and Israel.

Speaker 19 (28:13):
Absolutely and certainly the Greens. Chloe Swarbrick, she was hot
under the collar about it, and that was following the
Israeli's bombing of a hospital. Swarbrick was fired up asking
questions of the Prime Minister.

Speaker 23 (28:29):
Yes, I have seen those images. They are absolutely horrific.
This conflict has catastrophic consequences on innocent civilians.

Speaker 24 (28:36):
What exactly is the point and those numerous international statements
that the Prime Minister alludes to affair is no follow
through whatsoever, When the Israeli state can attack a hospital
sheltering civilians with no consequences.

Speaker 23 (28:55):
New Zealand, as a small country at the end of
the world, is doing everything it can and by partnering
with other light minded countries, we're putting more volume and
voice to our prospective and to our position.

Speaker 24 (29:05):
When will be Prime Minister expel the Israeli ambassador.

Speaker 23 (29:09):
Well, we believe in maintaining diplomatic channels to actually communicate
our differences.

Speaker 10 (29:13):
That's important. And what are you.

Speaker 9 (29:15):
Doing question twelve? It's enough. This is absolutely charged.

Speaker 19 (29:23):
And it was actually there was a yelling match after
the question finished, and it was very unruly. But look,
certainly tempers are running high there and you saw the
Greens again turned out in Parliament today in the Palestinian scarves,
so no one was doing under any illusion which side
they're on.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Very quickly, because you've spent a lot of time in
hospital thoughts on the directive.

Speaker 9 (29:48):
Look, I think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 19 (29:49):
I mean, of course, there's a high ethnic number of
nurses in the hospitals, and you know, I had no
problem at all with the speaking in their own language
as long as they spoke to me in English the biggest.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Did they not try speaking to you in another langue?

Speaker 19 (30:06):
No, they didn't, and well I don't know on a
couple of occasions, because they did speak, yes, exactly. They
were speaking to me, and many of them had masks on,
and I found it really difficult to understand what they
were saying. Politely said, look, I'm very sorry, I can't
understand your accent. So they'd get then get somebody else

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and to explain to me what was going on. So
I think, you know, my hat comes off absolutely to
the hospital staff and what they have to put up
with from some quarters.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Totally they had more trouble understanding you and your weird hallucinations. Well,
for a while there there was a psychosis that sentence, Barry,
thanks very much, Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence seven away
from five.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:55):
Mister Wells, crystalher Lux and Trans Tasman Resources, who are
one of the people on the short list, aim they
can earn a billion dollars a year. I'm assuming when
the committee looked at the fast track they went, jeez,
that looks good. I'll put them on the list. Once
they got on the list, they've said that doesn't count anymore.
Are you in trouble with this?

Speaker 23 (31:09):
No, not at all. I mean, we've got to grow
this country. You've got to say yes to stuff. But
do you say yes out starts from there?

Speaker 15 (31:15):
Who clearly made it up?

Speaker 23 (31:16):
Well, I'm not sure that that would be the case
if I.

Speaker 15 (31:19):
Claim I'm making a billion dollars and then two days
after I'm on the shortlist, I claim I'm not going
to make a billion dollars. Did I make it up?

Speaker 9 (31:25):
Or did I make just a bit of a whoopsie?

Speaker 15 (31:26):
But I well, never mind, I'm on the shortlist.

Speaker 23 (31:28):
Well, Mike, I'm not going to go into the individual
cases that are in those fast tracks.

Speaker 15 (31:31):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the Lahn News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
In New Zealand. Is the Dreamline is going to get
a makeover, right, So they're sending them over to Singapore
at the moment, one at a time, and then they
getting the interior stripped out, and they're getting the interior
replaced and there's a new business seat, the business class layout.
But it sounds like they're going to get rid of
the herring bone layout and they're going to do a
bunch of stuff. Anyway, We're going to have a chat
to you news. They've got some new seats, but because
at the moment the best you can get is business Premiere.

(31:58):
But now you're going to be able to get Business
Premiere Lux. There are only four of them. What even
is that? We'll have a chat day in New Zealand
and twenty minutes about that. On the subject of flying,
texts come in saying hither I had the misfortune of
dropping my wife at the Auckland Airport last weekend. The
new layout is terrible. Someone who couldn't even make it
into at for instance, a single land for all drop

(32:19):
off pack up instead of multiple lanes or at least
a lane for each side of drop off. So my wife,
who travels the world for a living, says it's one
of the worst experiences she's had at an airport. Now funny,
thank you allan for raising that, because because I landed
there on Sunday and walked over to where I told
me to get packed up, and then I was told
by the uber driver that I had to walk another

(32:39):
like another ten minutes in the other direction. It was
horrendous in the rain. The taxi and uber set up
is like whoa way out there? You land at Melbourne.
I hate Melbourne, but you land at Melbourne Airport. One
good thing is the airport. Land at Melbourne Airport. You
walk out the door and literally the uber pix you upright.
We're not treating the uber drivers like pariahs. We're not
trying to pretend that technology isn't happen. They pick you

(33:00):
up right outside the doors. How first world is that?
Next up we'll go to Wellington City Council. News Talk ZEDB, the.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Together due to see Alan Drive with one New Zealand
Let's get connected and New Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Hey, good afternoon. It sounds increasingly like the Government is
planning to intervene in Wellington City Council after the council's
failure to pass the long term Plan. Now a series
of government ministers have been pretty clear on what a
mess they think the place is.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, it's the shambles.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
We're pretty concerned about it.

Speaker 23 (33:42):
If I'm honest, it doesn't look great their long term
plan looks at risk. We'll continue to monitor it and
if we have to make an intervention we will.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Well, I think shamozzle is the best description of it,
and I think Valentini is pretty.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Concerned about it.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
Well.

Speaker 12 (33:54):
I think the first step is the government can put
an observer on there.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
That would be a good start.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Toriy Fano didn't want to talk about this today. She
dodged our questions in a statement saying she's focused on
delivering a long term plan and we'll be meeting with
counselors this week to work on it. Wellington City councilor
Tim Brown is with us.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Hey, Tim, good after dad, what.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Do you reckon? Sounds like they're going to interven.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Name, No, it doesn't. It sounds like they're going to
observe what's going on and they're going to see whether
we could fix it the problems.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Ourselves with a crown observer.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Without a crowd observer, a crowd observer is just a
gallery that some of the politicians around our council table
will play to. So a crowd observer would be a
major disruption. It would not have any way help the
councilors solve the problem. The councilors need to sit down
and arrive at a majority vote for a district plan.
I mean remember that, of course'll be sorry had long

(34:44):
term plan. Remember that we actually did get the vote.
We're back in May. We all voted and we passed
a long term plan. And unfortunately last week that our
long term plan was unsettled by the decision about the
airport shares. But what's Tory and is going to have
to try and do is actually get a majority of

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counselors to agree on the cuts necessary to effectively balance
the budget.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
So you think they're not You don't think they're going
to put a Crown observer and observer.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I would say, listen to what those comments which you
just heard would indicate to me that the council's future
is in its own hands. If the council laws can
solve the problem and can actually arrive at the numbers
of fifty one percent of the voted other words, to
actually get a new long term plan through, then the
government will sit back and let us do it ourselves.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
What do you basing on? Is this just a vibe
if you talk to someone.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
No, I haven't spoken to anyone, but I believe that.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
They intervene because it looks like they're going to intervene him.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Okay, Well, I mean you know, I of course don't
won't have anybody if the're intervene because if they fire us,
all I won't be paid. Oh definitely. Look, I mean
I would have to say that I would definitely better
bear on them not intervening. And but but that depends
on us being able to sort out the problem ourselves.

(36:09):
If we can sort out the problem, why would they intervene.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Well, this is a good point, although I wonder if
it's a bigger problem than just the long term plan,
and it's the ongoing dysfunction I suspect is the problem.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
No, no, no, there is no longer there is no
ongoing dysfunction. I mean, that's just temp political statement.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
About Look at the situation with the reading cinemas, where
you had the council basically trying to stop counselors allegedly
leaking the information, trying to hold meetings behind the scenes
away from the public. It's pretty dysfunctional.

Speaker 25 (36:40):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Look, you've got a small group of counselors who have
behaved extremely badly throughout the entire two years of this
council and you know, full power of them. They regard
that as their political mandate to actually sort of try
to break the rules and generally sort of vote all over.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
The sholaming them. And I understand that you might be
upset at their behavior, but that would suggest that you're
totally comfortable then with the shenanigans that was going on
with Reading Cinema.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
So what shenanigans them leaking information that was that was
expressly provided on a confidential basis.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Okay, Shenigan is like like like wanting to give this
money to a Nasdaq listed company to be able to
renovate its building.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Bullshit, that's bullshit, that's bullshit. You are no, no, no,
that's not shenanigans.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Are you serious?

Speaker 4 (37:26):
That was never the deal. The deal there was that
Wellington City Council would effectively provide a subsidy if Reading
could actually get the could produce one hundred million dollars
to actually redevelop that complex. It was a very cheap
way for the Wellington City to actually vital in order

(37:47):
to fund Yeah, so we were one Brownies that.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Your rate was going to fund it.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's the Do you know how much money we put
into this St James Theater which is across the road.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Where the Wellington City Council. The Wellington City Council put
sixty million dollars into the Saint James Theatre so that opera,
lovers and the light can actually go along in theater.
We were going to put a total the present value
of the subsidy that we were going to put in
reading was about seven million, and so a completely different
demographic would be able to actually enjoy that entertainment.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Tim But even if you could, even if you think
that's a good decision, that decision was going to be
kept from the public. It was going to be there.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
It was never going to be kept from the public.
It was the process, the process of agreeing to provide
council officers with a mandate to be able to actually
go ahead and negotiate. The final decision was going to
be completely public. Everything was going to be on the table.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
And how are you okay with this? Mate? You are
a businessman and you're saying it's okay that ratepayers only
find out when it's a fate A complete.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
No, it was not going to be fat a cop.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Well, yeah, it wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Yeah, it might have been. It might have been, but
I mean, but okay.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
You're making a case. Observer coming this this place sounds.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Like no, no, you're going look this is like you
go through look, you go through the rubbish. But and
you're finding something that last year it's fish and chat paper.
I mean, talk about what's in front of us now
and justifying government intervening and and disregarding the democratic rights
of Wellingtonians to actually have been a bitterly a bunch
of clowns around thelon.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
It is rich coming from you that you are saying
anything about democratic rights when you people are prepared to
hide your decisions until the decision is made.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
There was Look, can you find something new to complain?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I'll complain. You want something else here? What about this?
Something which council in the Wellington Region is putting less
money into fixing the pipes than Wellington City Council.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Let me just point out that I am in the
Wellington people. Okay, okay, which Wellington City, which Wellington Regional
Council has provided is fully funded Wellington limited to actually
correct its leaks. Wellington City Council. If you happen to
look at the most recent report which they provided us.
We are one of only two councils who is fully

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funded their requests and respective leak reductions. Let me finish,
and we have the lowest level of leaks on our
network of any other city in the Wellington region. We
have the lowest level of leaks. We have fully funded
our requests.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Are you telling me.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I've got it? Did their report? I've got it their?
Won't you?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Because because you're here and I can ask you, are
you telling me that you have fewer leaks in Wellington
than carpetypt.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Is not part of company?

Speaker 10 (40:43):
Is water?

Speaker 7 (40:44):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
We have We have lower We leak less water. We
leak less water, a lot less water than the other councils.
We have the low we are also in terms of
our reductions, we have a target. Wellington City has a
targ I've got a producing our water consumption by seven
million leaders a day. We are on target to achieve
that outcome. We are the only city in the Wellington

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region on target to achieve it's water reduction goals.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Tim, thank you for talking to me. And you better
put your money aside for that beer, because you're gonna
have to buy any.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
One you're gonna have to buy me one.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Thank you, sim appreciate it. Tim Brown, Wellington City councilor Quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Five.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Hey, now here's something pretty special and in all honesty,
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Speaker 1 (42:36):
Heather, due for Cela Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Remember Tim Brown was hit by a bus a couple
of years ago. Maybe he's still can caust Tony, thank you.
Lots of texts coming through. I'm going to get to
them and we'll have a little bit more of a
chat about this and just a tick. It's nineteen past
five now in New Zealand's Dreamliner is going to get
a makeover. New seats, new carpets, new curtains, new screens,
new business, premiere cabin. They've got fourteen of these things
are being sent one by one to Singapore for the

(42:58):
makeover over the next two years.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Aiden Smith is in New Zealand's general manager of strategy,
networks and fleet. Hey Baden, Hi, Heather, Hey, So how
different is it going to look?

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Oh? Look, there's going to be a number of changes.

Speaker 26 (43:11):
We have an entirely new business class cabin with new
seats up there and a new product at the front.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Of the plane.

Speaker 26 (43:19):
We've got new premium economy seats, new economy seats, a
new and flight entertainment system, and some big changes with
some of the soft furnishings as well.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
So it'll be a pretty major makeover.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Are you going to ditch the herring bone seating that
you've got in business.

Speaker 26 (43:36):
Where the current seat will be going It will be
a new seat that has a very small side facing
element to it, but certainly not as.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Well because if you go to business in other airlines
like maybe Quantus of Fiji Airlines or whatever, you just
have the two seats sitting next to each other facing forward.
Are you saying you're not doing the facing forward, You're
still you're still doing a bit of an angle.

Speaker 26 (44:00):
Will be a little bit of an angle, but it's
the right thing to do in terms of making sure
that we've got the most comfort that we can get
on the seat and making use of the space which
is at a premium on an aircraft.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Did I see that You've got some new seats A
business LUCKX seat.

Speaker 6 (44:14):
Business Lucks Is that? Yeah?

Speaker 26 (44:15):
Premier Lux, So that's at the very front row. There's
four seats on this aircraft that will be Business's Premier Lux,
which is has a few extra sort of features about
it and a little bit more space for those lucky customers.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
What are the other features?

Speaker 6 (44:31):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (44:32):
What are the other features?

Speaker 6 (44:33):
The other features?

Speaker 26 (44:34):
It's basically has a bit more privacy and a little
bit more space and a bit more stowage up there.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Okay, now, how have you ended up then with fewer
seats across the plane because it goes from it goes
down to two hundred and seventy two from.

Speaker 26 (44:47):
What Well, we've got two different configurations currently, there's a
three hundred and two seat configuration and a two hundred
and seventy five seat configuration. So the first thing is
is that the three hundred and two seat configurations are
the first ones that are going into this overhaul. They're
going to have many more premium seats the ones that

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are going in when they come out, and the two
hundred and seventy five seat configuration is going to two
seventy two as well, so it'll end up across the
fourteen to seven and sevens that we've currently got just
one configuration, but generally more premium seats than we have today.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
And so are you still going to have the kind
of like the Neon pink and purples and blues and
stuff and there are you changing the color scheme?

Speaker 17 (45:33):
Oh?

Speaker 26 (45:33):
The color schemes for us are pretty important and they've
been worked on and they'll be.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Ever so slightly different to this new aircraft. And I
think that will be pretty exciting.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Oh cool ban can't wait to see it. Thanks mate, appreciate.
It's Baden Smith from in New Zealand. Heather, is it
a problem that Tim Brown doesn't see an issue with
sixty million? Maybe talk about this more five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather dupers Alan
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and use dogs.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
That'd be five twenty five. We're going to have a
chat about the Herne Bay Hallipad shortly. Now. I think
you and I can see something that Tim can't see.
He's going to have to buy me a bear isn't
he Because it's on the Government is going to intervene
in Wellington City Council. It's not going to be a
full set of commissioners. If you listen to what Nikola
Willis said on the show last night, it's going to
be a step down from that which is a Crown observer.
So basically, it'll be a grown up that the Government

(46:23):
sends in who will sit with the council and hold
their hands while they make grown up decisions. The clue
that something is going to happen and that it's on
this time, I reckon is that Simeon Brown is now
taking advice.

Speaker 11 (46:36):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I've been following this council really closely since it became
really obvious that they needed to get some assistance, and
they're from some grown ups, and as far as I
can tell, Simon hasn't taken any advice up to this point.
So this is a change and it means that they're
doing something. The second clue is that Kerry Prendergast, former
Mayor of Wellington, yesterday said it's time to intervene. Now,
Kerry doesn't speak up unless there's a reason to speak up.

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She's very close to Nikola Willis a Wellington based mp
I reckon She was basically sent out as a stalking
horse to start laying the groundwork for something happening, and
the final clue is one that was laid weeks ago,
if not months ago, on this show when Simeon said
this is Simeon Brown said he would be really worried
if one thing happened at Wellington City Council, and that
was that the council could not pass its long term

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plan or make the long term plan work. That has
just happened, that happened last week. The long term plan
is now under threat, so it has to go back
and do the whole thing again. And that is the trigger,
I think, by which at which point Simeon Brown goes, yeah,
it's time to get involved. Now you heard Tim. It's
clearly the right thing to do, because this lot clearly
do not think it is a problem to be giving

(47:39):
tens of millions of dollars to a Nasdaq listed company
to finally renovate their cinemas on Courtney Plays in a
move that is not cost neutral to rate payers. They
also think it's fine to try to hide that from
rate payers until the decision is made thereby kind of
dicking around with democracy, right, And they also don't see
a problem in the fact that they can not actually

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ensure that their long term plan is going to pass.
If Simme and Brown heard that interview, this lot would
have a Crown monitor in before the end of the month.
Twenty seven Heather duplus Ellen Heather g Tim's great, I'm
thinking of moving to Wellington. Not here the Tim is,
But no, you shouldn't. I moved away for a good reason.
Here the Tim is part of the problem. He's got

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Stockholm syndrome. Tim is surprising to me because Tim is
actually a very reputable businessman, and I was expecting him
to come in and be like, what's going on here, guys,
let's tardy this up. But in fact, maybe Stockholm syndrome
does explain what is going on here. Here the get
rid of Wellington City Council. How is this guy actually
defending giving Reading Cinema's money and then comparing it to
fixing St. James, which is owned by the city. What

(48:44):
an idiot? Heather Best interview, highly entertaining. Thank you, Jason.
This is the only thing listen. This is for the
people of Wellington. The only thing that we can do
now is to enjoy the ride, right because it's a mess,
and it's going to be a mess. May as well
just enjoy the thing for the end entertainment value, because
that's all we've got left headlines.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First. Heather duper
c Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's get connected
and you talk.

Speaker 10 (49:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Hey, the Huddles standing by. We've got Jordan Williams and
Mike Monroe with us this evening. You will have heard
this morning Mike was talking plenty about the Solicitor General
and the new guidelines that have been issued around ethnicity,
and she's told prosecutors to think carefully about particular decisions
where a person is Mari as in I mean, if
you interpreted that as you could, prima facie, right, it

(49:47):
would be maybe think about prosecuting them if they're Mari,
maybe you don't want to. That's basically what that looks like.
We have the question, the question that I have about them.
I mean, obviously that's crazy. We don't need to discuss
how crazy that is. It's just abundantly crazy. But the
question that I have is one that is related to
what Luxon said today, right. He was like, basically, I
can't do anything about it. She's got an independent position,

(50:08):
So what can we do if she's gone completely loopy?
Is there anything that we can do to stop this
loopiness from happening. We're going to talk to David Seymour
about that after six o'clock. It's twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Six together due to see Ellen rich List.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
A couple Anna Mobray and ex all Black Alli Williams
have hit a bit of a roadblock in their plans
to build a halle pad in Herne Bay. They've been
wanting permission to have two return flights a day to
their mansion. Environmentalists and Nimbi's though don't like the idea.
Now they've basically got a little bit of a win
for themselves. They're going to get a public hearing to
voice their concerns. Herne Bay Residents Association co chaired Dirk

(50:42):
Hugh Digg is with me now, hey.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Dirk, hi, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Thank you? Why don't you like the halle pad?

Speaker 17 (50:50):
Well, Helbi copters and taking off and landing. There's not
a normal sort of a residential activity in an urban area.
Are they're noisy and they are so very dirty. If
you live next door to somebody's got a helipad, the
noise is excruciating you to go inside if you're having

(51:13):
a barbecue outside, Yes, and everybody's got to go inside.
And afterwards it's quite likely that you we're going to
have to clean all the garden furniture. They be covered
and stuff from propeller wash. It's just a distance living
next door to them.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
How close are they to the helicopter.

Speaker 17 (51:32):
Well, we have people who have helicopter learning just over
the fence.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So you've already got this problem.

Speaker 17 (51:41):
The three helicopter learning pads, and they interesting ones that
are that? Are that are consented?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
And how close on top of it?

Speaker 17 (51:49):
There's another ones on top of the boathouse.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
And are these these are.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
These things messing up your garden furniture?

Speaker 17 (51:54):
Dirk absolutely, And the one on the boathouse if the
tides and the wrong place and the next door neighbor
gets sea spray And.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Is anybody very close to Mowbray and Williams's helipad.

Speaker 17 (52:08):
There are people reasonably close to that. Yes, there's four
people who will be affected by by noise according to
the documents issued yesterday to make it a public notification,
so noise beyond what they're what they're supposed to get.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Is there anything that these two can do to sort
of mitigate the effects and get the helipad over the line?

Speaker 17 (52:32):
I don't know exactly what they what they can do.
I mean, I think they should simply withdraw. It's not
it's not a not a usual activity in an urban area,
and it's just a nuisance. If you can imagine if
lots of people have these helipads, you'd have these helicopters

(52:53):
going back and forth all weekend and you'd be over helicopters.
We get them here. They're just a noumsey and the nuisance.
There's no need for them. There's no need for them
in an urban setting when you can when you can
drive down to either the North Shore or mccan Mechanics Bay,
which is just you know, maybe ten minutes away, and

(53:15):
you can take off from there from what's the proper facility.

Speaker 11 (53:18):
Yeah, that sort of is right.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
So there's basically no middle ground. A it's either either
either on or off basically exactly.

Speaker 17 (53:26):
And if you go to a lot of cities, particularly
in Australia big cities.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
They're band all right, Hey, Duke, thank you for that.
Appreciate you having a chat to us as juke you.
Dick Herne Bay Residence Association co Chair.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
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Speaker 3 (53:44):
Right on the Huddle with us this evening we have
Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union, Mike Munroe, former chief of staff
to just doing Highlands. Mike, how do you feel about
the helipad?

Speaker 10 (53:54):
Ooh A bit discomforted? I must say. Look, you know,
I just don't understand why this couple would require permission
to have two return flights a day. I mean, is
it just to avoid opened traffic? Is it just convenience?
If I had some some some kind of role, you know,
I don't know, some kind of emergency workers and they
needed to get out quickly and get the places quickly,

(54:16):
I could sort of understand it.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
But just really rich, like they're just really really really
rich and rich people do with their money. They buy
themselves time, they.

Speaker 10 (54:24):
Buy Yeah, and this sort of thing is just going
to generate sort of you know, contempt and resentment in
the neighborhood. I got on Google Earth this afternoon to
have a look at that street where they live, and
it's pretty concentrated around there. It's you know, cheap by
a gel living in that part of Orpland as it is,
lots of parts of orplaned. But but you know, a
neighborhood is a shared place, and we sort of make concessions,

(54:46):
you know, so that we can all live in as
harmonious a way as we as we can. And to
me this just st of Yeah, this is a bridge
too far.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Jordan.

Speaker 25 (54:57):
I'm pretty pro have given out long will can transport
delay the traffic to get I've got to be honest.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
If I had guess the money like these two, I
would want a halipad. I'm not gonna lie. I want
a halipad outside my house. And I'd want to fly
twice a day.

Speaker 25 (55:13):
Yep, ye, I like shoot for the stars. Mate, your
nearest half dozen neighbors, give him some money, give them
some money, and actually the person that came down the
road go away, you know, the I live in some
halle is. So we have what what Dick Quax used

(55:33):
to call the Glenn and this native bird fly fly
over us almost every night, and that equal helicopter you do?

Speaker 10 (55:43):
You do?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
How much money, Jordan, would it take if you were
right next door to Anna and Allie? How much money
would it take for you to be like it?

Speaker 25 (55:49):
Depend If I got a ride to work to avoid
that necessary waiting in traffic every morning, it would be
a lot cheaper.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I reckon a HUNDI thou would swing me? What about you, Mike?

Speaker 10 (56:01):
Look, I'm not so sure. I just think there's such
ob noxious machines. Everyone's these guys. If these guys had
had a lifestyle block out in the back of Cleveland
or somewhere absolutely fine, in a very urban area.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Would you, Mike, if they make your services on an
ongoing basis to be their lobbyist, and would you be
okay with it?

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Then?

Speaker 10 (56:22):
No, I would say shift to Cleveton.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Oh you're so old school. Okay. Now listen, Mike, you're
you're you're a man who lives in Wellington. What do
you reckon? Are you prepared to take a bet with
me that the government's going to intervene in Wellington City Council?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (56:36):
They almost certainly are. I mean, these things are now
so taken on a certain momentum and something's going to happen.
It may be commissioners, that may be a Crown observer,
but but something has to happen. The situation's got so bad.
Relationships are breaking down, the mayor is allegedly not talking
to her counselors and that comes on top of all
the enormous financial financial problems. Well yeah that's true, but

(57:01):
you know that comes on top of the enormous economic
issues that the city is facing and social issues. Something's
going to happen. Then it's just a question now lotsort
of scale and what that's going to look like.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Jordan?

Speaker 25 (57:13):
I mean, Tory Farnow achieved something I never thought was
achievable and it actually makes me happy to be as
in hell he's right payer. You know that the Wellington
is so bad it makes the super city look good.
I think Wellingtonian should be careful what they wish for.
You look at what happened with tarong and the terrible
well not helped by by and Tolly power going to

(57:36):
a head. But you're looking at what happened with Taronger,
you wouldn't even I wouldn't wish that on Wellington, but
there is some intermediatary options a crown observer obviously, or
actually the obvious thing is to is the reset button
is recall elections.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I mean, that's a big called though Jordan, for a
government that has completely different ideological views, right ideological positions.

Speaker 25 (58:00):
And that's actually a barrier from what from what I
hear and in and around the government circles is that
there's a little bit well, this is what this is
what a Green Party council looks like you almost and
Wellington votes for.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Us exactly, And Mike, isn't this the problem actually for
the government, there is an element of letting this play
out so people can see what happens when you vote
the Greens into positions of power. That's how that's the
narrative that's developing here.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (58:28):
Well, and also the government will be very pleased to
be talking about someone else's dysfunction rather than their own.
After all the problems I've had with the need in
hospital and smoke feed laws, talking to hiring freezers, tax
breaks from the tobacco companies, et cetera. I mean, they'll
be pleased to see this is a crap going down elsewhere.
And as there's an element of truth and that it
is a labor green city. And you know there'll be

(58:50):
some people in the beehives or sniping behind their hands
that this is now happening.

Speaker 25 (58:55):
Look at what happened last week came out of Wellington,
this investigation into the mayor's oponents as a result of
a secret source and an appointment of the mayor's fear
MEA's friend, lawyer Linda Clark, who now has whole conflict
issues around that because she claims she wasn't a lawyer
for the purposes of that. But we now discover that
the source, the anonymous source, was none other than the

(59:17):
Mayor's chief of staff, who is responsible for pointing the
so called independent investigator like this is that the whole thing.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
I'm merely going to say shambles.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
It's not not quite a book, but it is just
like this. This council is so dysfunctional it totally is. Hey,
we'll take a break to come back and have a
chat about what's going on with the nurses in English.
Fourteen away from six the.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
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Speaker 3 (59:43):
Jordan Williams and Mike Munroe. Jordan, Okay, what do you
make of this directive at Wycutle Hospital that the nurses
may only speak English and clinical situations.

Speaker 25 (59:52):
Well, I checked the other half on this, because she's
the she's the pediatric intents of care nurse. And she
jumped down my throat at thus that she's been in
situations and emergency situations where Filipino nurses have not spoken
English to each other. And absolutely, yeah, as I said, it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Speaking, they're speaking their own language to each other and
what's going on.

Speaker 25 (01:00:16):
It's and it's a safety concern, And she said, has
nothing to do with toay, it will be that there
is a lot of English and second language nurses, and
you know, it's the reality, and a lot of clinical
settings now and that of course and high pressure situations
they may revert back to the native language. But that
is a big dangerous no no when half your clinical

(01:00:36):
team don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I'm surprised that that's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well, rarely.

Speaker 25 (01:00:42):
M said that she's literally been in those situations. Rare
and totally I don't know. She referred to one one
particular one at Starship, but I didn't ask her how
many times, but said, totally understandable, they get the directive
and totally appropriate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Okay, Mike, what do you think?

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
Well, look, Jordan didn't once mentioned from what I can recall,
the patients and and and surely the patient safety of
the persons that the patient here is absolutely critical to
these communications. And as Rickie said today that you know,
if nurses feel that it's appropriate and clinically safe to
converse in their own language and in their first language

(01:01:21):
and with one another and with patients, then that should
be able to happen because the most critical thing is
that everyone understands, including the patient, what is going on
in these clinical situations.

Speaker 25 (01:01:33):
No, I think you're ready.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
No, that wasn't.

Speaker 9 (01:01:35):
That wasn't.

Speaker 25 (01:01:35):
What I was saying clearly communicating with patients is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
There are two different settings here, Jordan's. So there is
one where you talk, where the nurse talks to the
patient in their first language, and then there's the second
where the nurses talk to each other surrounded by other
clinicians and they're all trying to say to somebody, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
It is.

Speaker 25 (01:01:52):
I think it's disgraceful the way and wanting to reach
for outrage and turning this into it. And is it
not that you can buy who this into the the
obviously not the good newstics better and in the new door,
but some of the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Our friends, our friends, our competitors, Yes, Red Radio. Okay, here,
here's here's the thing. Mike's, Mike's Jordan to be Mike,
I'm sorry for what he just said to you, Jordren't.
To be fair, you would never listen to them. This
is the problem, right, So so it may be fair
enough to instruct the nurses to say, hey, listen, if
you're trying to save somebody's life, and you're a whole

(01:02:30):
bunch of doctors and nurses trying to save somebody's life,
only speak in English to everybody understands the way the
communication has gone out, the memo has gone out. It's
just like nothing but English in clinic clinical settings. And
that's a problem because actually, in some clinical settings, like
talking to a patient in their first language, it is
perfectly acceptable to do that. I would say, it's the
way the thing's been written, right, possibly, yeah, which is

(01:02:51):
caused the outrage.

Speaker 25 (01:02:52):
And you can imagine that that clinicians are sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
That I can imagine. Yes, Michael, is that a pair
assistment of it?

Speaker 10 (01:02:59):
I think I think you've got to go back to
this sort of classical textbook communication definition, and the definition
of communication is when the message is understood by the receiver.
So if two staff are speaking to each other, you
know that that applies. And if a staff members talking
to a patient, that applies. So I mean there might

(01:03:21):
be cases we cut back and forth between English and
another language so that the receiver of the information knows
what the hell is going on. But I think submitting
the whole hospital to memos like this one from my kiddo,
I just think it's just a blunt It's a blunt instrument.

Speaker 19 (01:03:36):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I totally agree with that. All Right, guys, listen, thank
you so much. Appreciate it from the pair of you.
That's a huddle this evening, Mike, when Ron Jordan Williams
seven away from six on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
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car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan drive with
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Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Heather, I live in Herne Bay and because of the
Brisco Boss insisting on having his chop a pad separate
chopper pad, by the way, not the one that Anna
and Ali are trying to put in. I now, don't
buy it, Briscoes. Since it's just a rich prick wanting
their own way. It's disappointing, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Here's a secret. I want my own way. Do you
not want your own way? When like, did you buy
your house? And then when you bought your house, when
you're like, you know what I want to do with
I want to put a trampoline out here. I want
to put a pool there. I want to put a
new deck. Don't you want to do on your property
what you want to do on your property?

Speaker 9 (01:04:29):
Why?

Speaker 10 (01:04:30):
What's this?

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Is the same thing? And they want their own way,
just like you want your own way, and there they
are ways different so they can afford a different way.
Don'g tell me you wouldn't want a HOWI pad if
you had as much money as we, of course you would.
I would. Hey, somebody says, how on earth can you
hate Melbourne? There's more to do there in five minutes
than there is some five months in all. I need
to feel like I need to explain this. I don't

(01:04:52):
hate Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne. What happens is when you go
to visit family in another city and they live out
in the burbs, you end holidaying in the burbs, don't you.
That ain't nobody's dream of a good holiday? Do you
know what I mean? Like your dream of a good holidays?
You go to the coast in Italy, go on to
Greek Island, I don't know, have a resort in fee
like Fiji. Do you know what I mean? Like fun?
Nobody wants to go sit in Preston northern Melbourne for

(01:05:16):
five days, do they? It's like going on holiday and
attack and then eat. That's what I did. That's why
I hate Melbourne because of that. But apart from that,
Melbourne's actually quite a rad city. Speaking of which, very
excited to tell you. They said to the girls last night,
because there's three of us, we're lame and we have
a little concert club and we go see different concerts together.
Sometimes we just take each other to different, you know,

(01:05:39):
new experiences. They're getting tired of the experiences that I'm
giving them in the concerts. Anyway, So I said to
one of them yesterday, I said, should we actually be
going to Oasis, like it feels like if we've got
a club about going to concerts and then one of
the biggest nineties brick pop bands is here in Australia
next year, should we go? And they were like, yeah,
we should. Probably were going to Melbourne. You went in

(01:06:00):
and she bought us tickets. Three hundred and fifty dollars
for a Ticket's a lot of money for a ticket.
I'm not gonna lie and as probably just a crappy
standing ticket, but I'm very excited to tell you there's
gonna be Mummies on tour next November. We're going to Malps,
back to the scene of the crime. We're gonna have
a fantastic My husband's really angry with me, so I
didn't ask his permission. First, Hey, Liberation for the Women

(01:06:21):
David Seymour.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Next, what's up? What's down? What were the major calls
and how will it affect the economy of the big
business questions on the Business Hour with ND the Duplicy
Allen and my Hr on us talk seb.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Paul Bloxham
is going to tell us what he thinks that inflation
number is going to say tomorrow brad Olsen with the
latest house sales figures and it's the International Day of
Rural Women. So Roe Duncan on that shortly seven past six.
Now the Prime Minister is refusing to criticize you prosecution
guidelines by the Solicitor General. The new guidelines told prosecutors

(01:07:04):
to quote think carefully about particular decisions where a person
is Mary. The Solicitor General says she wanted to address
the disproportionate impact of the criminal justice system on Mary,
who are overrepresented as both victims and defendants. Chris Luxmo
was cautious about criticizing it.

Speaker 23 (01:07:20):
Prosecution decisions should be color blind, but also the prosecution
guidelines are independently issued by this Solicitor General. They are
someone and I really can't get you should ask her,
but I mean, I can't really get into it because
I've got to respect the other elements of our democracy,
the judiciary.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
As part of Leader David Seymore's with me. Now, Hey, David, Hey, Ever,
when you hear the prosecutors being told to think carefully
about particular decisions where a person is Marty, what do
you think that means?

Speaker 11 (01:07:49):
It's disgraceful? Were you bore racism. If New Zealand is
based on anything, it's the simple idea that no matter
who you are and how you're born, you get who
rights and a fair shot at life. It is absolutely
un key we and there's no way that you can
apply it without applying in an individual case different treatment

(01:08:13):
based on race. So Chris lux is absolutely right the
independent and it's ultimately the Attorney General who's in charge.
I've raised this through staff with Judith's office and been
told that she's all over it. So we'll let the
proper process go through. But also let's be completely clear

(01:08:35):
that this is a government which has issued a circular
from Cabinet, the highest edit there really is in a government.
We do public services based on needs, not race, and
we expect everyone in the government to follow that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
What can Judas Colins do about it?

Speaker 11 (01:08:52):
Well, ultimately she's responsible, along with Cabinet, for the appointment
of the Solicitor General. I would think that at the
very least should be asking how has the cabinet circular
on need not race been incorporated into this prosecutorial guideline,

(01:09:14):
and perhaps how does it comport with a few other
important things such as a Bill of rights, which says
it can't be discriminated against.

Speaker 17 (01:09:22):
So you know, there's a.

Speaker 11 (01:09:25):
There's a few questions, and to be honest, you know,
if you know Judith Collins, it's it's probably not a
meeting I'd want to be in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
As the solicitor General's position independent in the same way
that the judiciary is independent.

Speaker 11 (01:09:41):
Well, I'll put it this way, if it comes down
to a particular prosecution, I would be the first to
screen blue Murder about a politician trying to get involved
in whether a person should be prosecuted. However, when it
comes to underlying principles, what did the people of New
Zealand vote for? They voted for a government that would
stop the increasing embedment, embedding of a culture where racial

(01:10:08):
discrimination is seen as not only acceptable, but perhaps desirable.
People voted to eradicate that attitude from our government. I
think recent events have shown it's quite deeply embedded, and
we're here to unembedd it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
I'm just trying to understand just how independent this position is,
because I mean, I understand that your judiciary is independent
when they're sitting on the bench and they make their decisions.
You guys, can't you guys can't climb in on that.
But is it the same with the Solicitor General's edits
like this?

Speaker 11 (01:10:39):
Well, again, I would leave that up to Judith in
the way that she'd like to operate. But ultimately this
solicits the head of Crown Law, who are the government's
lawyers there to serve the government. And I'm sure Judith
so not.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
The same level of independence.

Speaker 11 (01:10:57):
Then David Well thought that the judiciary are a branch
of government along with the legislative branch, which is the Parliament.
Crown Law is part of the executive which is us
those ministers and Cabinet and the BHA, which is to say,
which is to say, the Ministry of Education.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
The Prime Minister freaking out this morning and saying, oh,
I can't do anything about it, He's actually wrong because
actually the age Judith Collins can do something about this.

Speaker 11 (01:11:24):
Well, I suspect it's a little bit like something that
comes up frequently around the Reserve Bank. Very important to
respect the independence of the Reserve Bank and their monetary
policy decisions. But it's also true that ultimately we appoint
the board, we ultimately appoint the Governor, and we set
the rules for them. So you can respect the autonomy

(01:11:46):
and independence of an organization, which I suspect is what
Chris was getting asked. But also be really clear that
if people come to the belief that electing a government
doesn't actually make any differference because there's a whole lot
of unelected people that will just do whatever they want
no matter how you vote or who you vote for,

(01:12:07):
that's when you get a real breakdown of trust and democracy.
So while obviously there's some complexity and the way that
these officers and officers operate, these are the elected politicians.
At the end of the day, you're in charge. You
vote for the government, and the government has to set
the tone and make the calls, which I and Judith
Collins is going to do on her return.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Good luck with dealing with this lot, David appreciated David Seymour,
leader of the AX Party. Jess must get frustrating dealing
with these public servants. So it sounds like Uner's job
is on the line, by the way, if she doesn't
tow the line. Six thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Ever, dul Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Has been accused of plagiarizing Martin Luther King in her
book There's a Guy Who's Gone through it. His name
is Stephan Weber. He's an Austrian academic. He's dubbed the
plagiarism Hunter. He goes through books and just and publications
and stuff, just finds some people have been plagiarizing and
he reckons. There are dozens of examples Karmala Harris's book
of plagiarism. The worst one, probably according to him, is

(01:13:06):
and That. By the way, the book is the book
that launched her political career, so it was quite important
for her. It's called Smart on Crime, a career prosecutor's
plan to make us safer, so it's actually quite old.
The worst example of plagiarism appears to be an anecdote
that she tells from her childhood during the Civil rights movement.
She writes, my mother used to laugh when she told
the story about a time I was fussing as a toddler.

(01:13:28):
She leaned down to ask me, Carmela, what's wrong? What
do you want? And I wailed back fweed him. Now,
the story sounds a lot like a story that Martin
Luther King told to Playboy magazine in nineteen sixty five.
This is his story. I will never forget a moment
in Birmingham, when a white policeman accosted a little Negro
girl seven or eight years old who was walking in

(01:13:50):
a demonstration with her mother. What do you want? The
policeman asked her gruffly, and the little girl looked at
him straight in the eye and answered, feed him. Very
similar stories, what is surprised? Exactly the same? Almost Apart
from that, there's also more. There's a whole bunch of
lesser things, lengthy passages that appear to have been copied
and pasted from Wikipedia, similar similarities in between passages in

(01:14:15):
her book and articles that were produced by other news outlets,
and some paragraphs appear to have been stolen from press
releases put out by her own office, highlighting her successful
prosecutions and including misleading embellishments. And you bet your life.
The Republicans are loving a quarter past.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic
Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Heather, I'm with you. The lighter sentences for a section
of society will have the opposite effect. It will only
increase crime for that group as they know that they
will be punished less, which may, in fact, if people
are thinking about punishment just before they actually do the crime.
I'm not sure that they do, but if they do,
then it may well have that impact. It's eighteen past
six now. It apparently takes an average of fifty days
nowadays to sellar house in New Zealand, and prices are

(01:15:04):
still largely flat. Inflementary infametrics principle economist Brad Olson's with
me now, hey, Brad, good evening. Okay, so what's the
market actually doing. Is it volatile or has it settled
into a kind of a flat space.

Speaker 27 (01:15:16):
Well, I mean it's broadly pretty flat at the moment,
I think. I mean, there's was a little bit of
evidence in the data that we got today from the
Real Estate Institute suggesting that maybe there've been a little
bit of a pop higher in prices in the month
of September, but to be fair, that would be the
first time we'd seen a monthly increase since April, so
nearly half a year. Realistically, that means you've had six
months of down and then one month of up, so

(01:15:38):
really you're not going anywhere fast on the price front.
I think the thing that gets me hither when we
look through the housing market at the moment, and this
is going to be the challenge for sellers particularly. Not
only is it taking fifty days on a seasonally adjusted
basis to seller house, but there's about half a year's
worth of house sales currently sitting on the market unsolved.
So there's a lot of choice out there. Good if

(01:16:00):
you're one of those limited number of buyers, but not
so good if you're trying to sell a house because
you're competing with everyone else to sell it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
So I mean that obviously drives prices down, right, so
should we expect prices to continue to fall?

Speaker 27 (01:16:12):
What we are seeing at the moment is that the
number of houses left on the market is high, but
ever so slightly starting to either decrease or sort of
track sideways. So I think we're likely to see house
prices be fairly subdued. And I say that because you
could see a few months of ups and a few
months of downs at different points, But realistically, I don't
think that you're going to see a whole art lot

(01:16:32):
And that's sort of the big one. Because yes, interest
rates are coming down, which of course should stimulate a
bit more buyer activity, but realistically there's still a lot
of people out there who are trying to sell a house,
so for the moment, still more in the buyer's hands
than in the sellars.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Are you seeing that one month of price increases as
a bit of a shift. Oh, it's a little bit
too early to read into it.

Speaker 27 (01:16:52):
I mean, is it coincidence as at the start of
something new, one month's worth of data probably doesn't tell us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
It could be a little bit of it coming through.

Speaker 27 (01:17:00):
You've definitely heard a lot of people who are talking
with a lot more optimism in the housing market, but
I think we'll want to wait and see. Regardless, I
don't think we're about to see the housing market really
perk up. It's likely to just be sort of hovering
for a little while.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Brad, what are you picking for the inflation number tomorrow?

Speaker 27 (01:17:17):
I think we're at two point two two point three,
so sort of in that ballpark regardless. I mean, the
numbers are likely to look a lot better in a sense,
which is certainly encouraging. It's one of those things though
part of that has been driven by the likes of
petrol and similar so jury's out as to where we're
going from here, but realistically, I think we're in a
much better spot and that's encouraging news for the economy.

(01:17:38):
More interest rate reductions on the way, so better things
around the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Good stuff. Yeah, you can't be more happy about it. Brad,
Thank you very much. Brad Olsen, principal economist and Informetrics. Listen,
if you're speaking of buying stuff, if you're in the
market for a used car, there is a massive shortage
of important used cars at the moment, which means prices
are going to go up. Apparently, the demand, and I
think it's basically all of this year, has been way

(01:18:03):
higher than what we've managed to pull into the country.
We're about six and a half thousand imported secondhand vehicles short.
That's about twenty five percent of demand, which is significant.
This is according to a Japanese used in a vehicle importer.
At the end of last month, end of September, there
were sixty three percent fewer Japanese inports available for sale
in the country than there were at the same time
last year. The end of September last year obviously means

(01:18:26):
bad time to be buying a used car because you're
going to pay a little bit more than you actually
want to for it. Great time to be selling a
used car, though, Roe Duncan's next. Six to twenty two, Heather,
I've been selling houses in Auckland for twenty five years.
The volume of sales dropped in September, but a huge
increase in listings. And this is despite interest rates dropping
from seven point five percent in February to five point

(01:18:46):
six percent today. Highly unlikely to see house price market
pick up until one year. Fixed mortgage rates are around
four percent. Pretty tough out there, I would agree. Six
to twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
The Rural Report on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Drive and filling in hosting the Country while Jamie is
on holiday, Hello Rowe, Hello, how did you celebrate the
International Day of Rural Women.

Speaker 28 (01:19:10):
Well, I had some pretty kick ass women on the
show today, which was awesome. No Jamie Mackay, of course,
he's in New York, living it up, seeing the New
York next, going to the top of the Freedom Power
so it was a man free zone. But now I
was chatting to Emma poul and Katie Milner. Katie was
the first female president of Federated Farmers. Emma was the
first female New Zealand Young farmer of the year and

(01:19:33):
Emma had found this amazing quote and I thought you
would quite like this. It was a super old magazine
and it said women that can cut the throat of
sheep and lift heavy loads will not make good future
mothers of the children of our nation. And she said,
you know that's what women were up against back in
the day. You know, they couldn't be farmers. There was

(01:19:53):
no place for them on farm. Their places at home
raising the children. And says, look here I am. Here's
Katie many many years later, cutting throats, lifting heavy loads
and giving motherhood a damn good crack. And I just
think they are amazing role models for anyone wanting to
get involved in agriculture.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
We are very very cool. Speaking of doing things with sheep,
we got we've got some awesome sharers in this country.
Where they headed off to.

Speaker 28 (01:20:17):
Yeah, so they're off to Australia the fiftieth anniversary Trans
Tasman Sharing and Wool Handling Series. We found the final
members of the team to head to Australia. They're hitting
there this week. The big competition is in Western Australia
over Labor weekend. But we did have the first Trans
Tasman events just on the weekend. Just been in Saturday

(01:20:37):
at Wymatty and it was the blade sharing, you know,
the ones with the shears, not the hand pieces doing
it old school and luck first blood to the Kiwi
solent type that continues in Western Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Yay, ro, thank you very much. Roe Duncan filling in
on the country for Jamie McKay while he's on holiday.
Hither there are a heck of a lot of second
hand evs around. I've noticed that. Well, that's a particular
kind of market though, Ben, isn't it. I'm not sure
about what you just said about car prices. I got
offered twenty five thousand dollars for my twenty twenty one Ranger.
It's done one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. It's a
forty thousand dollars loss. Oh, are you just a crap negotiator,

(01:21:13):
because that could be that we have to take that
variable out before we're absolutely sure that that's actually something
there that we you know, it might be you, it
might not be the market to be fair. Paul Bloxham
was going to be us next because we've got the
big inflation number out tomorrow and the question is do
we go for a fifty basis point cut or a
seventy five basis point cut in next month, So hopefully
he can give us a bit of an insight there.
In Australia, just a quick heads up, they are cracking

(01:21:35):
down on sur charges on bank cards, so they should
have announced by now that they are going to ban
debit card fees. So if you use debit card in Australia,
no surch charges on that now. Unfortunately, you still get
the surcharge in Australia if you're using your credit card
right for booking flights or whatever. Obviously you know we
don't care about well, it doesn't affect us, We're not

(01:21:55):
in Australia. However, I feel like it could be the
start right, So you start with the debit cards, then
you come for the credit cards, and that's what I
want to see. I want to see. I want to
get rid of those surcharges headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Next crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heathered
Duples c Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR,
the HR solution for busy sms on news Talks EPI.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Ken de Brady's going to be with us out of
the UK and ten minutes time, I might just skype
to him that I managed to get tickets to Oasis
after all of the drama he went through. I just
just delegated a friend and how easy was that. Hither,
I just sold my twenty ten Toyo to Toyota Corolla
station wagon for the same price I bought it for
seven years ago. That's who you need to do your negotiation.

(01:22:45):
That guy with a twenty ten Toyota Corolla, what it
That's fantastic. Now, if you were listening to the huddle,
you might have heard Jordan Williams just make a little
quip about Tory and how Tory. It would help if
maybe Tory can avoid you know, the government sending in
a Crown monitor to Wellington City Council of Tory just
turned up to work occasionally. Now, that's based probably on

(01:23:08):
a couple of things. The first is, you know how
we have talked about how Tory is always getting COVID. Well,
somebody has actually gone and done an Official Information Act
request on this. This is how concerned they are about
her vitamin C deficiency and has found that yes, in fact,
she has officially had COVID since she became mayor five
times December twenty twenty two, July twenty three, November twenty three.

(01:23:31):
I mean, that's pretty close. Like she's just recovered on
the second of August twenty three, and she's got again
on the twenty seventh of November twenty three, twenty first
of June twenty twenty four, recovers on the twenty third
of June twenty twenty four, but she back at it
again twenty sixth August twenty twenty four through to September.
And then of course they had the issue last week

(01:23:51):
with the long term plan getting kind of kerfuffled and
derailed by the airports shares sale thing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Tory.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Let's slip a little fact about that. Do you know
where Tory was in the week leading up to probably
the most consequential vote of her political career. Do you
know where she was WTF or wf H whatever it is,
working from home.

Speaker 29 (01:24:13):
I was working from home, so my office and I
have very talented stuff, so at different levels it was
you know, it's me, it's them talking to different people
and negotiating a way forward. You know, we didn't get there,
and it's okay, we just now have to go back
to the drawing board.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Yeah, you didn't get there mate, because you were WFH.

Speaker 18 (01:24:33):
It's enough to make you say, WTF, isn't it absolutely bloody?

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Did you think Tory should we should we dock her
for the amount of times she's up? I feel like
we got to that. But like if I was doing that,
By the way, if you were doing that, as we
would be demanding the sick notes from you, wouldn't we
buy now?

Speaker 18 (01:24:48):
I would expect to be able to fly into work
by a helicopter back and forth of her.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
If yep, yep, I don't yep. Twenty two away from
seven you could pick up my confusion there. I think, Hey, listen, tomorrow,
big day. We're going to find out whether inflation is
officially back in the target band. It peaked obviously seven
point three percent mid twenty two, down to three point
three percent in the last quarter. Paul Blocks and as
ahspec's chief economist and with us now, Paul, hello, Hello,

(01:25:14):
you sitting with a consensus two point two two point
three percent two point one.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
Yeah, we're we're down there. We think that it's going
to be quite a low number. It's going to fall
quite a long way, and yes, of course back in
the target band and not too far off the center
of the target band, which is all pretty good news really,
and obviously part of that good news has already been
reflected in the fact that the RBNZ has already delivered
seventy five basis points of easing twenty five and then

(01:25:39):
the super sized move we got from them last week.
In terms of that fifty basis point mode, we think
that probably given if that happens, and if that's the
pace of disinflation that's happening in the economy, that the
RBNZ will probably easily deliver a large move again in
November before Christmas. So we think another fifty basis point move,
that's what we're factoring in. Inflation's coming down because of

(01:26:00):
course the New Zealand economy has been a very weak
You've had an extended period of weakness in the economy
for almost more basically two years, and so that has
disinflated the economy and now the ARBENZ can focus on
trying to pump prime growth by lowering interest rates, and
that's that's the New Zealand story, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
There are already calls for even bigger than fifty basis
points seventy five basis points. Is that is that possible?

Speaker 7 (01:26:26):
It's possible. It's certainly the case that given there's such
a large gap between the November meeting and the February
meeting next year, you know, it's a really long period
of time. And given that it's pretty clear that the
economy is weak, the labor markets loosening, that inflation's coming down,
that the Arby and Z could deliver further more, even

(01:26:49):
more support than that. So it'll depend a little bit
on what that print looks like tomorrow, partly the composition
of it as well. So inflation's coming down, most of
this inflation we've seen so far has been goods prices
coming down, and there's still been this residual stickiness in
services inflation, and so one of the key questions will
be how much is services inflation still holding up, how

(01:27:10):
much is it domestic inflation still a little bit sticky,
And that'll be a factor in the RBNS and thinking
no doubt, and then of course looking at the sort
of timely indicators of what happens in the jobs market,
which they'll get another print of before we get to
the November meeting and someone, so, yes, it is possible.
Not what we're thinking is the central case. But what
we should all think is there are more rate cuts

(01:27:31):
that are coming soon, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Is there a justification potentially, because as you point out,
I mean it is a massive gap between the end
of November when they come back in the new year.
Is there a justification for actually perhaps prudently scheduling a
few extra meetings and saying, look, it's unorthodox, but we're
going to put a few in there because we may
need to move even faster.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Well, I mean, you can make the case that they
could meet a bit more frequently. The RBA, for example,
used to meet eleven times a year and has act
recently because of its review over here in Australia, shifted
the other way. They've gone from meeting eleven times a
year to now they're going to be meeting eight times
a year. Yeah, they're doing that now. So the general

(01:28:12):
sort of trend across the world if you look at
the major central banks, the key central banks in the
developed economies, is to meet about eight times a year.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
I mean, what I'm saying with them, it's absolutely fine
in normal times, right when you're not in war times
to kind of maybe leave it at a liven or
leave it at day or whatever. But the New Zealand
economy is clearly and quite a bloody pickle where we
are talking about fifty to seventy five basis point cuts,
in which case should they not be on a war
footing and saying because of the difficulty the economy is facing,
we are going to the summer meet more frequently because

(01:28:43):
we're in trouble.

Speaker 7 (01:28:45):
Well, that's for the RBNZ to assess. They could decided
they wanted to have an extra meeting if they wanted to.
The question the balancing act there is, is it better
to call some sort of additional meeting because you are
and therefore you would be conveying that you are really
very very concerned about the economy. Or is it better
to stick to the original schedule and move in larger
increments if you feel like you need to exactly keep

(01:29:07):
and feel and move in larger increments if you actually
feel like you need to deliver more support. So I think,
as a working assumption, as a sort of best assessment
of what's likely to happen, I think they're more likely
to move, you know, faster if they feel like they
need to.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Yeah, interesting stuff, a very interesting times, Paul, thank you
so much, appreciate it. Paul Bloxham, agspc's chief economists hither,
I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with the
big rate cuts from the RB and Z. Big cuts
in quick succession is big trouble in the economy. Those
sorts of cuts are indicating serious recession. He had zero
chance of a soft landing here, Phil. That is why
we're obsessed with it, because we realize we can see

(01:29:43):
what trouble we're in, and we realize how fast these
guys need to move. And actually, I'm I don't think
it's a terrible idea for them to just acknowledge it.
I mean, like, it's not going to be a surprise
to you or I. If the Reserve Bank was like, hey, yeah,
we're in trouble, we'd be like, really, what have we
been telling you for ages? Look up and down the

(01:30:04):
main streets of towns, Look in our suburbs, look at
all the shops that have shut down. Right, it's not
going to shock us. They're like, oh, we're in economic trouble.
We should probably have some meetings over summer. I think
we'd all be like, now you're earning your money. You
haven't been up to now Adrian seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
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Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
It be in the Brady UK correspondence with us now into.

Speaker 10 (01:30:33):
Hello, Hello, have they great to speak to?

Speaker 16 (01:30:36):
Linda?

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Did you manage to get tickets to Oasis?

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
Ha?

Speaker 30 (01:30:40):
No, I'm still waiting, but I know what will happen
a week beforehand. Someone will get sick or someone's friend
won't be able to make it, and Oasis tickets will
miraculously appear.

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
So I'm not panicking.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
I got tickets to Oasis today.

Speaker 30 (01:30:53):
Oh well done.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
You you need to come down here, come down to
the southern part of the world because it's like easy
down here, no problem, bring it on.

Speaker 30 (01:31:02):
But as I sit here in West London, as we
head into winter, the thoughts of some time in New
Zealand is very appealing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Yeah, and we only paid one hundred and seventy five quid,
so that's not even that bad.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Well done?

Speaker 30 (01:31:14):
Well yeah, I mean they clearly haven't fleeced people in
New Zealand like they have done in England and Ireland.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
You guys, you guys got all the hype, in the
excitement and you got ripped off and then by the
settled down. The only trouble is they sittled down by
the time they got here. The only trouble, of course, Inda,
is there's no guarantee that they're still going to be
performing by the time they get down here. Do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:31:35):
Yeah, I give it about a week.

Speaker 30 (01:31:36):
Actually, in fairness, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
We'll see hy so kias rolled out the big guns,
is he?

Speaker 6 (01:31:43):
Yes.

Speaker 30 (01:31:43):
So there's a big dinner last night at the Guildhall
in London for all these business leaders from all over
the world. He's trying to get them to invest in
the UK and trying to drum up growth really for
the economy because it badly needs it. They had British beef,
there was a speech by the Prime Minister, there was
by Elton John in person, and King Charles turned up

(01:32:04):
for dinner as well. So quite an impressive show this
country can still put on. What the business leaders make
of it, I guess we'll find out when they start
writing checks and actually investing in Britain. But there is
a lot of investment coming. Starmer knows that for him
to get this country back on its feet, moving again
and flexing its muscles on the global stage, he needs growth.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Yeah, big time. And so what I mean, they're obviously
making a bunch of investments and announcements a hit of
the budget. What's the biggest so far?

Speaker 30 (01:32:34):
The biggest one, that eye catching one is two billion
dollars worth of investment going into London Stanstead Airport. Now,
there's long been talk about Heathrow expanding in West London,
London Heathrow Airport. I don't think that's ever gonna happen
because it's so built up. They would be basically demolishing
villages to make way for a third runway. And I

(01:32:54):
think it's clear people have realized that there is airport
capacity in the other kind of regional airports and stance
that his prime for development. So two billion dollars of
private equity capital going into that to make Stanstead better
and bring it on. I mean, I just think there's
so much optimism here, there's so much good to tap into.
You just hope Stammer can just navigate his way through

(01:33:17):
some of the pitfalls he's had recently.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
What do you make of that? Because I haven't had
a chance to talk to you about that. I mean,
the stuff has got real, real dusty, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:33:26):
Yea.

Speaker 30 (01:33:27):
Look, there's you've got this vicious conservative right wing media
who will never ever accept they didn't even like Tony
Blair and he was in power for eleven years. Yeah,
and everything was far far better here when Blair was
in charge. Look, Starmer's one hundred days in and they're
all for getting rid of them already. There are certain
sections of the right wing press. But I think judge
him after five years, not one hundred days. And look

(01:33:50):
he accepted Taylor Swift tickets. Yeah, he should have sat
at home with a big book of economics and studied
all day and maybe had a coffee and gone for
a walk and gone back to the books. You know,
he's only human. I do think he messed up with
the donations from Lord Ali. I mean, if you're earning
what three hundred and seventy k and Z the year,

(01:34:10):
you should be able to buy your own clothes. And
you know, honestly, you know, forty grand's worth of clothing
donations coming in from a billionaire pier. It's not a
great look when you're meant to be the leader of
the party of the working people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Yeah, now you make a very very good point. Hey,
what do you make of Prague deciding its head absolutely
enough of the British Stag parties.

Speaker 30 (01:34:31):
I absolutely love this story and good on them, because
you travel around European cities and the last thing you
want to see is a whole load of English blokes
dressed up as superheroes, singing football songs at foreign girls
and drinking larger till they fall over. We've seen so
many bad cases of people, extreme cases granted, urinating on

(01:34:52):
war memorials in Estonia and Lithuania, and the people of
the Czech Republic have just had enough. What they're doing
now is they're banning organized pub crawls from ten pm
until six am, and they're getting rid of all the
kind of stuff that attracts these Stag parties in huge numbers.
So I've been to Prague. It's a beautiful city, very cultured,

(01:35:14):
and that's the word they're looking for. They want cultured visitors.
I think they've had enough of you know, Batman and
Robin and Superman and the lads all heading off from
South Wales for a weekend to during twenty five pints
a day came over fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Into thank you as always appreciated, look at yourself into
Brady UK correspondent hither the new season of the Diplomat
is coming to Netflix soon. Thank you, Will Wills remember
that I quite enjoyed it, and he agrees with me.
It's a good show. Speaking of which, actually, while we're
on things, I've been meaning to tell you to watch
The Perfect Couple. If you haven't watched The Perfect Couple
starring Nicole Kentman who has had way too much blastic surgery.

(01:35:50):
Ify because girl, I can see those lips are not real.
Go and watch it. Scott what's his name? What's his name?
The Israeli actor Shreeber, Shreeber LEVI leave Shreeber. Thank you? Yeah,
I thank god I got there by myself. Did Actually
nobody told me that leave. Shreeber's in it, and Dakota

(01:36:12):
Fannings in it, and you're a kolkaman. It's awesome. Go
and watch that. You won't regret this at all. You
will not regret this recommendation Netflix. Thank you eight Away
from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Sticks Away from seven. Listen A couple of things to
quickly get you across right. First of all, the Google
and government spat is getting very interesting. It turns out
that the government that that Google was so angry with
the because you know what the government's doing, right you're
across this. They want to force Google and Facebook all
those guys to pay for the news that they basically
use for free from the media companies. Now Google is

(01:37:06):
so upset about it, apparently it threatened to cut New
Zealand out from out of a global product launch this year.
They wrote to Paul Goldsmith and said New Zealand has
now I think this was in June. New Zealand has
now as of this week, been excluded from a major
global consumer and business product launch we had planned for
the country this year, So I don't even know what

(01:37:26):
the product launch was or if it even happened. Yet
can't have been that exciting because otherwise we would have known.
We'd have been like, why didn't we get that? No,
we didn't do that, did we? So to Google anyway,
then they've made all the threats and stuff. They're going
to pull money from the media. Apparently they're still talking
to the and they try to go they try to
go to LUSO. They were like to Goldie Paul Goldsman,
they were going to talk to the Prime Minister and

(01:37:46):
they wrote to the Prime Minister and they we won
a meeting and he was like nay, you're going to
meet with Goldie.

Speaker 13 (01:37:50):
Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
So they put in their place anyway, so they're still
chatting behind the scenes. Keep an eye on that. This
is fantastic news. If you know Wellington, you'll know the
city to see bridge, you know that goes across the
keys from Civic Square to the lagoon where all the
little like stingrays are and stuff. They're gonna knock it down.
Thank god, it's a seismic it's a seismic risk. But

(01:38:11):
also it is hideous. It looks like some dystopian thing
from a Mad Max film where the children have been
left to run the show and they've gone and salvaged
all these like bits of drift wood and crap from
the beach and they've built this heavier structure. That's what
it looks like. You're driving through the city and you're like, oh,
this is a nice look. What the hell said shipwreck

(01:38:31):
in the sky. It's hideous. They're gonna knock it down.
Not everybody loves that. There are a bunch of people
who love ugly things and they're gonna try to save it.
But I am so stoked. I hate that bridge. Just
build something basic, put some put some basic normal. Let's
put a normal bridge there for God's sake. Never mind
this drift wood crap ants.

Speaker 18 (01:38:49):
Maybe we can sell it to George Miller for as
next Mad Max movie and then the money can get
fixing the pipes or something.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Wonder You should be the Crown observer, Oh with ideas
like that.

Speaker 18 (01:38:59):
Oh you know what, I tell you what, I'll put
my hand up for it and it'll be very entertaining
watching your Wellington City Council meetings. I do actually enjoy
that our wonder Wall by Oasis to play us out
tonight because our congratulations. We were talking about how the
New Zealand Herald online sports he had got his Oasis
tickets yesterday. Now you've got yours, well done.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
And Alex gave me the idea of Alex. I was like,
if Alex can do it, I can do it.

Speaker 18 (01:39:20):
And I tell you a lot of people did. The
Melbourne and Sydney shows tickets that went on sale today
both sold out. So they've added another Melbourne show now
they are now going to be three Melbourne shows and
two Sydney shows and the tickets to that Melbourne show
go on sale on Friday. So if you want to
be like Heather and Alex and go along to see Oasis,
that's when you need to tell me what.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
About Did you see our boss Jason, who just is
such a contrarian dick sometimes, isn't he? And he came
in and he was like, well, they're going to come
to New Zealand. You know they're going to announce that
like as like you wasted all your money on gold
to Australia.

Speaker 18 (01:39:46):
Does he have the inside word?

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Does he?

Speaker 22 (01:39:48):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
He's a Paine. He's just that guy. He's like, if
you go You're like, oh, I really like watching the Diplomat.
He's like, nah, I really enjoyed that party. Na I
bought cis. Where are are you gonna play? Jason s Vauso,
I can't wait. Bum me out, enjoy evening, See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
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