Full Show Podcast: 15 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today, Hamas is
now executing Palestinians in full view in Gaza City. Will
get you across that hospitality is the next sector in
line for red tape cutting. We'll find out what dumb
rules need to go. And we have a new hybrid
cow that can apparently do both dairy and beef, so
we'll speak to Parmu about it.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Finally, finally, finally, we have a change in a rule
that should never have lasted until twenty twenty five. This
is the headline. TV advertisements can now be screened on
Sunday mornings, Christmas Day and other public holidays thanks to
a law change that was passed today. Now you might
not have realized it because you probably live in a fast,

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part modern, maybe secular, advert filled real world. But until today,
the rules forbade TV stations from running ads on Sunday
mornings and Anzac Morning and forbade both TV and radio
stations from running ads on Christmas Day, Good Friday and
Easter Sunday, mainly, not exclusively, but mainly because of religion. Now,

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there was a time when this rule was probably fair
enough because the country was predominantly Christian, going to church
every Sunday morning, and the support for the no ads
on a Sunday rule would have been quite high. But
that traditional version of New Zealand departed a long time ago,
so you have to wonder how the rule has managed
to last this long now, Mind you, right, not everybody
wanted the rule to go. There was some in Parliament

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who voted to keep it right. New Zealand first wanted
to wanted to keep things just the way they were.
They say, the extra six million dollars in advertising it
might bring in represents an increase of only one percent
for the media companies. But one percent is not to
be sniffed at by a media sector that is now
so broke that SkyTV just bought TV three fours dollar
And as far as I can see it, every dollar

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that's generated by an ad on a Sunday morning is
a dollar that the taxpayer will not be asked for
when or if media companies come to the government with
the begging bowl out, and it's only fair when you
think about this, you open YouTube on a Sunday morning,
you're gonna get ads. You watch Prime TV on a
Sunday morning, you're gonna get ads. I haven't tried it,
but I imagine if you open the TV and Z
plus streaming thing on a Sunday morning, you're probably gonna

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get ads. And yet you turn the tally on no ads.
That's not fair. This feels like one of those rules
that we have too many of. Once upon a time
made sense, don't make sense anymore now. Only preventing someone
earning money that they really need, happy to see the
back of should have happened years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Together do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Nineteen ninety the text number standard text fees apply now.
The AA says some of our road finds need to
maybe even double wants ticket prices for driving offenses to
rise with inflation, pointing out that they haven't changed since
the nineties. Dylan Thompson is the AA's road safety spokesperson.
With us HI Dylan good Athlone Heather, do you do
you want to double all of them or just some
of them.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
We think as a starting point, doubling all driving offenses
from where they currently are would be a good step
for the government just to effectively catch up on inflation.
And then we think that we actually need to look
at some specific offenses, the ones that show up and
crashes most often drunk driving, drugs, driving seat belts, distractions

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like cell phones, and speed and we might actually need
to lift those even further to really try and make
people care more about sticking to the rules when they're driving.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Right, So, what's the seat belt offense? What do you
get for that at the moment?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
One hundred and fifty dollar.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Fineh Where would you take it to?

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, I guess I mean if we are just going
from a starting point of doubling it three hundred, we
think that that's a reasonable start. If we compare that
to some of the Australian fines, they sort of range
between four hundred up to one thousand dollars, So.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes, wow, okay, what about using your phone behind the wheel?
What's that of a moment?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
So currently one hundred and fifty dollars as well, Like
the seatbelt offense again over in Australia, you're looking at
sort of four hundred dollars as the lowest fine in
the state, up to a bit over twelve hundred in Queensland.
So everywhere we've looked overseas has higher fines, higher penalties

(04:29):
than New Zealand. And we also well, I certainly know
the people in my life who have gone to Australia.
They treat driving much more seriously over there in terms
of sticking to the rules because they think that the
penalties are tough and you're likely to get caught, and
when they come back home, they don't worry so much

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about being as careful, and I think that's something we've
got to change.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Have you had a look at what kind of relationship
there is between how high the fine is and how
many peop will actually break that rule.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
We haven't in that sort of detail. So you know,
what we do know is that, like I said, our
fines are lower than almost all similar countries we've looked at,
and as we also know, we have higher crash rates
than almost all similar countries out there. And we just

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see this as really about changing that culture and around
driving in New Zealand. And at the moment, we don't
think that we've got penalties that actually make people think
twice about taking risks on the road.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
We need to train with you now obviously the people
who stand to benefit from this, so obviously those of
us who don't lose our lives because of stupid stuff
happening on the rule road, but also the government who
get to put this money in their pockets. Are they
on board with this?

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
We've this is something that we've just recently gone out
and you know, we've been in touch with Chris Bishop's
office and I'm saying, well, the moment, we just know
that this is something that the government said they're king
to look at about reviewing fines and penalties, and so
we've said here are some ideas that we think you
should be looking at, and now we're waiting to get

(06:12):
a response. But I think the thing I just like
to add is when we talk about who benefits from this,
I think actually New Zealand can really benefit from this
because the impact that crashes have on our health system,
the impact that they have on our emergency services, and
the time police and volunteer firefighters and ambulances have to spend,
the impact on our courts, all these things. If we

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have better behavior, a better culture, and less crashes. That
means we're going to free up a lot of resources
that are currently just dealing with the aftermath of some accidents.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Dylan, thank you, I appreciate your time. Good luck with this.
As Dylan Thompson, spokesperson for the AA, I'm on board
with this because I tend to agree with him. We aren't.
There's not enough of a disincentive financially if you get
panged looking at your phone. And I don't know if
you saw this, but a couple of days ago there
was a story about a trucke who had a crash
or crash. In the sixteen seconds before the crash that truck,
he looked at the phone ten times. So you know,

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even people on the road all the time should no better.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
Don't.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Now it's only been how many days since the local
body elections four we already have a resignation. Central Otago
councilor elect Dave Mackenzie has quit, only elected on Saturday,
already quit accused of financial misconduct. Apparently was investigated by
the council when he was a contractor. According to council documents,
admitted to at least one incident's or insitance of charging

(07:31):
the council an extra thousand dollars on an invoice. Now
he's put out a statement. I can't see that he's
admitted to any of this In the statement, just said
destructive misinformation and hatred online had become too much for
his family and his well being. Trouble though for Central
Otago people, as this is going to trigger a by
election for the Vincent Ward, which is expected to be
held in the next few months. So that's not great.

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Speaker 5 (08:19):
Hello Elliott, Hello Heather.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Okay, So Grace and Weikere has doubled down on her
support for Dame Noles.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Has she she has? Yeah? I thought that maybe she
might have had a moment's regrets. Well, no, she hasn't,
because she's been asked at the airport as they fly
out for the Constellation Cup her first game on Friday,
whether she regretted this stand that she made postgame after
the last series against South Africa, where basically she backed
Noline Totor to the hilts and basically stood and said,

(08:44):
if you're listening, we love you, we miss you, we
want you back in charge of the team. She fronted
media today and was asked whether she stood by those
words and basically said, yes, I do so quite remarkable stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Let's have a listen.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
I think if I had to do it over other
two of my worries a bit more relatively, but the
fifteen I got a bit what I said, and I
am confident to the strongly about my position, but also
pully back the team and the girls there and the
job to do.

Speaker 8 (09:09):
So.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I wonder if what she would have said, which words
she would have been more selective about, is we love you.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Possibly more yeah, I want you back, or being more
about myself rather than speaking on behalf of the team.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Senior colleagues may not.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Necessarily be aligned, and the alignment so I Becker, I
think it's a good stance to have. We want players
to be speaking out. This whole thing is an absolute
shimozzle and it's you know, it's not Grace Weeki's fault.
It's not anyone's fault that it's got to this point.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So I think it's some people's fault, people really badly
handled by it.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
But it's not it's not great, it's not Grace Wiki's fault.
It's got to this point. And so her speaking out,
I think good on it.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Can I ask you something though? I was I was
having a chat to one of your your contemporaries out
there in the sports department and Clay who has you know,
is on the show from time to time and has
got some very clear mind about this, and then inclusion
that I can't speak of him, but that I certainly
came to is there is a path back for Dame Knowles,
but Jenny Wiley's got to go.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Someone has, someone's got to go. I think there's got
to be someone that falls on their sword and whether
it's ordered for Dame to exactly and it's not. And
if Dame Nolin Todd hers not going back with then
she's the one that goes yes, so I don't think
the status quo can remain.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
But do you agree with me that she can come
back if Jenny.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Goes potentially yes, but I think there needs to be
some change with that happening though pretty slim what also
giving slimmer as time goes on. If you are in
the Consolation Cup, this is the biggest series of the
year starting tomorrow Friday night.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That play the four D Chess. Here you are, Matt Winner, Ay,
you're the chair. You have to decide who is more
important to you? Is it Jenny Wiley, the CEO, or
is it Dame Knowles who has the public support by
the looks of things, and as a legendary coach, I.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Think Nepple needs the public support. So we had some. Basically,
the broadcast has been cut down in their prime. The
sport's clearly not being run that well at the moment.
So go with the part that is doing well, and
that is Dame No long for a dime. It doesn't,
that's right, you can go fine pick those so chances
still slim.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm trying to make this thing happen. I don't know
that again, all right, So if you go to if
you're a rugby league player and you go to the
saudis your banned from playing rugby league for ten years.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
This is just chum in the last five minutes or so,
NRL saying that any player that goes to quote unquote
unrecognized football competitions, we know what those are. It's R
three sixty will be banned for ten years. That means
if you sign a player of a letter of intent,
a playing contract, or any other form of agreement with
R three sixty, you will not be welcomed in rugby
league for ten years.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Ten years from the point of signing or the point wow.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
But if you're Ryan Papenhausen, you're Roger t e vasishit
going yeah, might go to R three sixty for a
couple of years, then come back and play a bit
of NRAL to finish up my career. You're banned for
ten years. That's your career done.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Would you do that or would you actually end your
career at.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
The possibly would. But if you're a player in your
prime as well, going yeah, okay, I've got a three
sixty two years, then my options are open. You can't
go play rugby anymore. You can't go play Rugby League.
They're closing the doors.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
This all this is going to do is it's going
to drive up your contract with R three sixty and
link in your contract, right, So you're not going to
take a two year contract from the Saudis now, you're.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Going to want five year contracts.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, and you're gonna want a lot more money possible.
And I've got a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
They've got a lot of money. But they've basically been
painted as a rebel league. No one wants to deal
with them, and they're going to get no engagement from
World Rugby. They've got nothing from NRL. So I don't
see how they can go forward now because they're just
gonna painted as a rebel competition. You need, they're pitched
has been it can come play for R three sixty.
You can still play Test rugby. Well all those unions
have gone. No, you can't, they're gone yet. Play for

(12:37):
you can still play for you know, the Kiwis.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Although, isn't it, Elliott, because there will be a whole
lot of players who are at the tail end of
their career who will go, well, do I go to Japan?
Like I think Aaron Smith?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Sure, do I go to Japan and get so many million,
or do I go to the Saudis and ask for
three times as much.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
It might well happen, but is that going to be
a viable competition over a long period of time.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
I hope that that.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I would love to see this thing.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
What does thee R three sixty happen?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Why?

Speaker 5 (13:03):
What interest have you got in the Madrid Magicians playing
with three all blacks a couple of as.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Not like you do not want more sport?

Speaker 5 (13:12):
I want the right sport heither. I just want to.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I want something to give world rugby a shakeup.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
But no one watches. No one in New Zealand watches
the URC as it happens. No one watches the French
Top fourteen, None watches japan Top League. We only watch
the NPC. We don't even barely watch Super Rugby. So
what is another rugby competition?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I'm not saying we're going to watch it.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
You just want to.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just want world rugby to get a shake up. Elliott,
thank you very much. I feel like I'm in a
trouble making move today. Elliott Smith's sports Stalk Coast be
back at seven o'clock four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
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Speaker 3 (13:47):
Hither I one hundred percent degree on the ads being
allowed to play on Christmas Day and Sundays, and it
was archaic because of religious reasons. Now what about the
other even more archaic rules that you can't trade on
some of those days like Easter, Sunday, et cetera. Graham
bang On, bang on, happy to see that change as well. Now, yeah,
Humas there is video, it's full twenty six. By the way,

(14:08):
there is video showing Hamas fighters conducting an execution. So
they dragged seven men into a small square in Gaza
City and forced them to kneel on the ground, and
then civilians were watching from store because it's designed to
be a public right, it's designed to be viewed publicly.
Civilians are watching from storefronts around the square and they're
filming it on their phones. You can see that. And
then the gunmen shoot the men from behind. Some claim

(14:30):
that the men were killed for being collaborators with Israel,
which is unverified, possibly true, but unverified. But what we
absolutely can be sure of is that Hummas does not
plan to leave and clearly doesn't want to give Gaza
over to another authority, because this is all about establishing
their dominance. So we'll see how that goes. It is,
I mean, this cease fire deal is under real pressure

(14:51):
because Hamas has failed to give Israel all of the bodies,
which is very important to the state of Israel. And
as a result, Israel has now cut the flow of
aid into Gaza and half, which is not what we
want to see happens. So anyway, we'll get you across
that after five o'clock. I need to also talk to
you about the pool that has come out. Now, this
is a pole in the post. I know for the
most part, Poles Schmuls who cares some of Yeah, whatever,

(15:14):
you know. But I think there are some things in
this pole that actually will really be worrying Chris luxm
which I need to get you across. So stand by
and we will do that in the next fifteen minutes
or so. News is up next News talks.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
He'd be much super clue mister Nick flue.

Speaker 10 (15:33):
Iven you.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
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coverage like no one else youth talks.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
He'd be so tanzim in line food.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Very well, there is so easy to be. Ever, since
he minutes time and damage and is standing by out
of the US, I will get you across that pole
as well. Now. I said at the start of the
program that hospitality looks like it's the next sector that's
in for the old red tape cutting from David Seymour.
Some of the and we're talking about here restaurant's, bars, cafes,
market stores, food trucks, catering business, hotels, the whole shebang.

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Some of the stupid rules are. For example, when you
and you will have had this, you're in a hotel,
you go down to the bar, you order yourself a
delicious little martini or whatever, and you're having it there.
That's allowed, and you go, do you know what, I
need to go up and do my face because I'm
going out for dinner. I'm just going to go upstairs
with my martini. No, not allowed, not allowed to do that.

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Rules forbid it. But you can nip down, you nip
outside to the supermarket, grab yourself a twenty four pack
of beer and go up to your room. And that
that's a dumb rule, isn't it anyway? So hospitality in
New Zealanders with us. After five, we'll find out what
other dumb rules there are, because this is New Zealand,
there will be plenty twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be dry.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Commas has fallen behind its deadline to return the remains
of Israeli hostages. Israeli forces have responded by cutting the
amount of aid flowing into the Gaza. Strip You and
Humanitarian chief Tom Fletcher says there is a real danger
that Gaza will not get the aid it needs.

Speaker 8 (17:14):
We need the agreement to be implemented in full by
both sides, and so that does mean that i mus
have got to get the body's home as they promised,
But it also means that Israel has to keep the
crossings open and allow us to deliver the aid that
is so desperately needed.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Donald Trump says Cammas has committed to disarming a disarming
as part of the peace process, and he'll make sure
they do it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
If they'll disarm, we will disarm that they.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Know I'm not playing cabs and Finally, Houston, we have
a problem. In terms of excuses for why you need
to come into work a bit late, this is a
pretty good one. A Texas woman had to tell her
boss she couldn't come in on time because she was
busy returning an important piece of equipment to NASA. The
equipment had been launched from a facility in New Mexico,
but had blown off course and was unexpectedly had unexpectedly

(17:58):
landed on the woman's farm, and she called the cops
to find out what it was. They put it through
to NASA to arrange for a mid morning pick up. Thankfully,
the woman's boss was happy to let her come in
late as it was a once in a lifetime situation.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
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Speaker 3 (18:15):
Jennison, US correspondents with US Hello.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Dan, Hello Heather.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
So when does what's what's what's Trump's deedline for when
Hamas needs to disarm?

Speaker 11 (18:24):
Well, I don't think he's actually given them a hard
deadline at this point right now. I think he's focused
more on getting all the hostages remains of the hostages
back and you know, as you were mentioning there in
the in the in the world wires. We've got I
think four of them out of a total of twenty
eight that have been returned, and the ID process is
going forward now. And all the bodies arrived at the

(18:46):
facility with their hands and legs cuffed, so the remains
were held in refrigerators and they come with numbers rather
than names. So I think this could take a little
bit of time trying to sort out what exactly happened.
I mean, you had some that were blindfolded, and there
are signs of gunshop ones in some cases others have
been run over by tank so it's apparently not a
very pretty sight.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
What do we think he plans to do to them
if died on to some.

Speaker 11 (19:10):
Well, I mean that's what's interesting, because he previously said
that we were not going to put you know, boots
on the ground there. So whether or not that means
more cuts for humanitarian aid, whether that means he goes
back in person and tries to hammer out a deal,
or he has somebody from the White House try to
do that, it's really a head scratcher right now. I

(19:32):
think he's hoping that you know, the pen is mightier
than the sword in this case. But we know it's easy.
You're not easy because it took so long to come
to where we are today. But I think the harder
part is going to be to see if we can
actually keep this peace process going.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, very much so. I see Charlie Kirk got the
Presidential Middle of Freedom.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
He did.

Speaker 11 (19:51):
This was something the president had promised after Kirk was
fatally shot speaking to that crowd in Utah. And this
would have been his thirty second birthday. So this all
happened about a month ago. But he was awarded today
and his widow, Erica, accepted the award and she was
very emotional and she was whispering a lot of the time,

(20:12):
a lot of tears, as you might imagine. She talked
about her late husband's life, political beliefs, and legacy. And
after that was done and the cameras were turned off,
the president went over to his parents and spent a
few minutes talking with them. So he's had a you know,
no matter what you think of President Trump, he's one
way or the other. He's had a very busy week,

(20:33):
you know, and here we are only Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, and not to mention the fact that he also
blew up a boat of people coming from Venezuela. Why
do you people feel about this?

Speaker 11 (20:43):
I think, well, you know, it depends on who you ask.
Of course, if you ask the left, if you ask Democrats,
they're going to say this is a violation of humanitarian rights.
And if you ask Trumpers, they're going to say, well,
you know, these are people that are smuggling drugs, these
are traffickers, these are unlawful combatants who have to be
met with military force. I mean, that's what he said.

(21:05):
And this is the fifth strike that he's done in
the Caribbean, and our defense secretary said that this has
to happen. I mean, he was sharing no bones about it.
They were sharing this video on x and it shows
this boat apparently stationary on the water. You get a
few seconds into the video and then it's stuck, struck
from by some projectile, some bomb from overhead, and it

(21:25):
just explodes like that and then it's floating of flames
for a few seconds.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
It's quite a thing, isn't it. Thank you, Dan, appreciate it.
Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, nineteen away from five. Yeah, I
will be fascinated. Actually, let me know how you feel
about it. I'd be fascinated to know how people feel
about this, because on the level of people that we dislike,
drug dealers must be right down there with people who
commit you know, child six crimes, right like, they'd be

(21:51):
right down the bottom. And so if you want to
blow anybody up without any due process, I'd imagine it'll
be the drug dealers. But there's yeah, it's a pretty
wild thing to do, Heather. My family in the UK
and Europe call New Zealand knows Zealand because you can't
do anything here, Heather, who would have picked that hummus
for a bunch of murderous bastards? Steve very good point.

(22:14):
I do wonder how some people feel at the moment,
because there are some people who, let's be clear about it, right,
we're going out there being like, do all the right
thing by Gaza, but raally think Hummas are real great heroes.
So how do they feel now about seeing Hummas lining
Palestinians up and shooting them. So it's one thing when
you're fighting the idea if it's quite another thing when
you're shooting your own countrymen in the back of the head. Anyway,

(22:36):
we're going to talk to Greg Sheridan of The Australian
after five and just get his take on it. I
need to run you through this pole. This is the
freshwater the post freshwater strategy with infrastructure New Zealand pole. Now,
I can't imagine that Chris Luxon is going to be
stoked about what he's reading in this because it's starting
up the conversation about when does Chris Luson go and

(22:56):
who takes over? And it shows Chris Bishop is emerging
as the succe sessa. So forty nine percent of voters,
and remember we are talking about voters across the political spectrum,
So Labour Green Act New Zealanders with National everybody, forty
nine percent of voters think National needs to get rid
of Chris Luxen. Only thirty eight percent thinks Luxon should stay.
Even among National supporters, about a quarter want to change

(23:20):
possible replacements. Bishop Leeds He's on sixteen percent, Erica Stanford's
on twelve percent, Finance Minister Nikola Willis is on eleven percent,
and then Simon Brown is on eight percent. Now, any
of any of us who think about these things, you
know a little bit more deeply than going ugh Na
change it. Anybody who thinks a little bit more deeply
than that knows you shouldn't be doing this before the election,

(23:41):
right because that's going to be incredibly destabilizing. So this
is the kind of thing that you're looking at. Let
him run in twenty sacks, let him have a year,
and then he can sort of gracefully retire after that
if he's still a drag on the National Party. So
you're looking at kind of like twenty seven when it happens.
But sometimes these things get him meant him on because
enough people are talking about them. When you've got polls

(24:03):
like this running in the papers, that feels like a
little bit of a momentum is getting going. So anyway,
we'll talk to Barry Soap about that when he's with US.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
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Speaker 3 (24:14):
Hither the problem with blowing up the boats is that
there's no evidence being presented that they are drug smugglers. Well, yeah,
that's that is quite the problem. Fourteen away from five,
Barri Soaper, Senior political Correspondence with US Hallo, Barry, good afternoon.
We were just talking about the post freshwater strategy with
infrastructure New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (24:28):
Pole, can we use a perhaps.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Rolls off the tongue, doesn't it exactly anyway?

Speaker 9 (24:35):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
The problem with this is, obviously, if you were sensible,
you don't roll Luxeon, even if you think Luxeon's a
drag on the party, which is, you do not roll
him before the election. You do it about a year
after the election. But the problem is, if you talk
about it enough, this thing gets a momentum. Are we
at that place.

Speaker 12 (24:50):
Becomes a self fulfilling prophecies and that that happens a lot?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Is he atc of that?

Speaker 13 (24:55):
No?

Speaker 12 (24:56):
I don't think so. I think people who think about
politics and think about what this government has done in
a fairly short time. I'm not preaching their case, but
they have done a lot, a lot more than what
labor did in the last three years when it had
unbridled power at the Treasury benches. So I think people,

(25:16):
well most people who think about politics would say, you know,
this time next year, which will be election time, of course,
but by this time the economy will have turned the corner,
and I'm convinced of that that next year. I think
early next year you're going to see a mood change,
and that's what it's all about. And that's why these

(25:37):
things tend to roll on. If you talk so much
about it, then it would roll on. Chris Bishop good
performer in the house. Don't know whether he's leadership material.
Erica Stanford, Yep, she's okay.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Nichola Willis is okay. She's been excellent.

Speaker 12 (25:55):
And education, there's no doubt about that. And very articulate.
Nikola Willis again, you know she's had a hard battle
and finance. So even old Shane Jones this afternoon was
saying in the house used on an expression I've often
used that to turn a super tanker around takes some
considerable time. So if I was Chris Luxon looking at this,

(26:18):
you know, of course i'd be upset, and you know,
I would feel that people are not getting the message
that he's been espousing day after day after day. And
I heard some criticism this morning of his performance in
the house. What I looked at him that and with
that perspective, today he performs I think very well.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
You're talking about what Mike said, yes, and I think
Mike's got a point.

Speaker 12 (26:41):
No, he doesn't because he I don't know whether he
nobody knows politics like Mike knows that of course, which
he continually tells us. But I've been in that house
for more than forty years, and when I see leaders
of the like of Chris lux And I think he
performs actually very well as the prime minister in the house.
I was watching him again today and Mike seemed to

(27:02):
criticize them for saying, yes, do they agree with every
statement and whatever that in the past. Why he says yes,
he doesn't open up the agenda to the opposition.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I think, Okay, I actually a tactic here. I agree
with Mike, but I do not.

Speaker 12 (27:19):
Agree with me.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Shut up all the same. Oh jeez, honestly, Lord. What
I want to talk about, though, is there is a
point at which, and this is accepted right, there is
a point at which a prime minister becomes so deeply
unpopular that nothing saves them, even in economy, they just
give voters the X factor. Are you sure he isn't there?

Speaker 12 (27:37):
I think you will find this time next year we'll
be talking about a very different Chris Luxen that we
talked about today.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Remember this, I do remember it. Remember this play this
back in a year I shout, now, not of course,
of course not not failing to help this particular government
as the Maori Party with its shambles, and even marswill
Willie had come and say something about it.

Speaker 12 (28:01):
Well, you know, Willi has probably said more than what
his leader Chris Hipkins has said. And he's a good mate.
He hasn't got skin in the game, of course, what
he probably does have because you know they will be
looking for coalition partners if they want to rule the
treasury benches next year, and the Maori Party would be
part of that. Mex and will He's made the point that,

(28:21):
you know, they really have to get their act together,
although he feels and he's talking about getting a meeting
with them next month to sit down and talk about
where they're going, what they'll look like come the next election.
Where is Rai Waita t the co leader and China
with a Kapa Haker.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Group that he's traveled the world.

Speaker 12 (28:42):
With in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
But he's not alone, is he? But he's not alone?

Speaker 12 (28:47):
No, he's not alone with him his wife John Yeah,
John Tammerherry's daughter who's working as a press secretary for
the party. I've had a few run ins with her
over the time that when I was in Parliament, and
they're very uncooperative. They do not like the media, probably
because of what I'm saying at the moment, but they're

(29:09):
not an easy party to deal.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, you are what they call the Parque art media.

Speaker 12 (29:13):
Well I'm a racist.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
No, you're white. That's their problems. Well talk to the
park they say, I'm not putting words in their mouths.
They talk about this Jerry Browny's been told of everyone's
favorite green MP Ricardo.

Speaker 12 (29:28):
Well, of course, and you're this man. Whenever he walks
into a room, you look and see the is it
hawt cature that you look at his outfit and Ricardo's yes,
I mean rubbish of course. And he's the very thing
that people talk about in the House that you know,
the casualization of the House introduced by Trevor Mallard. And

(29:51):
what Menendez March says is that in fact a tuxedo
is not going to improve the behavior of the house. Well,
in fact that is absolutely true, but there's got to
be whether Ricardo likes it or not. Some standards and
when you reduce the expectation on dress and how they

(30:13):
turn out sneakers, jeans, T shirts with motifs on them.
That is not the Parliament, It is not the highest
court in the land, and I think they, all of
them should be showing some respect for the institution of Parliament.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Often does look like some sort of Amram situation.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
It's terrible.

Speaker 12 (30:31):
You know, you've got a protest party. The Maulti Party
is a pro test party, and I think we've seen
that more so in the last six months or so
than we've ever seen it before.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Thank you, Barry, Barry Sober, senior political correspondent. I might
quote you back some of what Riccardo had to say
in just a minute seven away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 14 (30:53):
We have seen those spending increase in hospital for the
last couple of months. There's something going on there. Do
you know what it is? Is it tourism or is
it locals just fed up and they want a sandwich
in the beer?

Speaker 15 (31:02):
From what we're seeing, it as an uptake and tourism numbers,
which is such a positive sign for our industry and
very much welcomed.

Speaker 14 (31:09):
Is it the immigrant issue as well, in the sense
that are we over hospited?

Speaker 15 (31:14):
Look, I think you know hospitality is a very accessible
business model. But I think that's what makes it dynamic.
That's why as a consumer hospitality, you know you're in
a great possession. However, there is Marasque with that business model.

Speaker 14 (31:27):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast would
the Defend News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
All right, so four away from five. So what Ricardo
Menendez marched did is that he warned Jerry Browne against
becoming the fashion police and said that we have an
intergenerational parliament with several cultures and backgrounds, and trying to
conform to a very specific dress code will only diminish
that representation. If voters don't like how a party is presenting,

(31:53):
they can punish us on election day. Now, look, what
I don't understand is I can't imagine it's that to
just get dressed like a professional every morning. You just
have to wear a suit, Just put on a suit.
I don't know. Let's start with the basics. Put on
some mondays, put on some socks, put on your pants,
put on a shirt, put on your suit, jacket, tie
your tie, put on some leather shoes, no hat. The

(32:15):
end can't be that hard. It's a bloke. It's basically
a uniform anyway on the Maori Party. They we're gonna
have to talk about them shortly. Doesn't look like it's
just the cup of kingis that? John Thamerheerada and his
mate's gonna have to get rid of that. Also going
to have to get rid of Tarkuther Ferris, who's the
MP who did that were late night video, because he's
piped up as well. He holds the teed Thai Polcao

(32:36):
Electric seat. His Electric Committee has made a vote of
no confidence in the Maori Party executive leadership after they
sent out that email with the allegations on Monday night.
Tarkuther Ferris is not apologizing for this. He said the
Electric Committee had every right to do that. He's not
happy with how the saga is playing out, told the
media there's no consensus about sending out the email. Now
you've got you've got Maria man Or Kappa Kingi and

(32:58):
Tarkuther Ferris now both speaking out against party leadership. Plus
of course, oh mate son looks to me like a
party that's splintering. We'll talk about them shortly. We're also
gonna talk about the new Synergizer Cow, which is a
cool name for a cow. It's a cow that can
produce both beef and dairy cows. PAMU seems to have
come up with it. They're with us shortly on that.
But next, let's deal with the situation with Hummas executing

(33:22):
Palestinians newstalgs V Exactly.

Speaker 16 (33:28):
We're the ones worth marching.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Scars, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather,
duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Newstalgs VV Afternoon Shock.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
And Seas have emerged from Gaza showing Hamas publicly executing
several Palestinian men. Hummas forces the men to kneel in
a public square, then shoots them in the back of
the head as people watch and film.

Speaker 17 (33:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Greg Sheridan is the foreign editor at the Australian High Greg.

Speaker 18 (33:58):
Hi, Heather, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Thank you? Now, there are some reports that Hummas is
executing people who worked with Israel. Is that true.

Speaker 18 (34:07):
It's certainly true that Hamas is executing people. It's not
clear that these people worked with Israel. Hamas is a
very vicious, bloodthirsty extremist organization and it has a long
history of killing Palestinians that it doesn't like. When it
first took power, found some homosexual Palestinians and throw them
off the top of buildings. And there's incontrovertible evidence now

(34:31):
that it's executing people. A few hours ago the count
was about thirty two people that had killed. It might
accuse him of working with Israel. You know, you wouldn't
take Humus at its word. I mean, you can be
sure that these are Palestinians who have opposed Humus in
the past.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Trump has suggests that he has given Humas some level
of leeway to impose or maintain order. Would this have
been part of it or will this be shocking to
the US?

Speaker 17 (35:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (35:00):
No, I think Trump is basically talking baloney.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
There.

Speaker 18 (35:03):
Hammas was supposed to surrender its arms and don't impose
order by making guys kneel with their back to you
and shooting them in the head. That's not the idea
of imposing any order. This was always one of the
weaknesses of the plan.

Speaker 17 (35:20):
Who is.

Speaker 18 (35:22):
Who is going to administer and rule Gaza as Israel
withdraws And I read a piece last Saturday saying this
is not a question for six months time. This is
a question for next week, and we have no answer
to that question so far. Well, the answer is Hamas
still has the guns. It's plainly not interested in disarming.

(35:43):
So this is a terrible movement itself. I also think
it looks like the breakdown of the process after about
two days.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
What chance is that Hamas can actually be pushed out
of Gaza, disarmed and got rid of now.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Well, very little chance, little chance.

Speaker 18 (36:00):
The idea was that there be an international stabilization force,
which would essentially be Arab troops. But at the end
of the day, no Arab government is going to shoot
Palestinians for any reason at all, especially if they've been
seen to be enforcing a deal that in some way
or another benefits Israel. And all of these insane demonstrators

(36:24):
in all our countries, in your country and my country,
Australia and so on they've been demonstrating in these past
two years have been essentially pro Hummas demonstrators. Whereas Hummas
is really one of the most vicious, demented, bloodthirsty, gravely
anti Semitic organizations. Our former Prome minister Santy Abbott refers
to it always as a death cult.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
And he's basically right.

Speaker 17 (36:47):
Now.

Speaker 18 (36:48):
The idea was that Iran could no longer provide them
with the support that it used to, and Katar could
no longer give them the money that it used to,
and therefore they might pull back for a while and
be prepared to go on as a sort of semi underground,
semi insurgent force. But it seems to me they're not

(37:10):
even going to do that for a single day.

Speaker 17 (37:13):
Now.

Speaker 18 (37:14):
Trump says, if they don't disarm, we'll disarm them. Well,
there's no chance at all that American troops will be
going into disarmment. So if anyone's going to disarm them,
it's Israel. But we've seen that the cost of that
is too high. I mean, they hide amongst civilians, they're
in civilian houses and so forth. And if the world

(37:34):
wants Israel to disarm us, then there's we're going to
resume the war that we've just got out of. So
I think you're in for a very messy stalemate. And
how anyone sets up an interim administration, you know, this
so called a political Committee of Palestinians, which is meant
to run Gaza in the immediate future. Who knows, now

(37:57):
the only hope I guess would be that Qatar still
could apply enough pressure. Katari, Egypt and Turkey, which all
have some influence with Hamas, could apply enough pressure to
get them do it at least ease up for a
couple of weeks at please give a please give peace
a face giving a face saving sort of decent enval.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, Greg, thanks very much, really appreciated. That's Greg Sheridan,
the foreign editor at The Australian. Twelve past five Heather
du for see Allen Bars, restaurant's hotels Whole Bunch are
next up for David Seymour's red tape cutting. Now he
has tasked the Ministry of Regulation with reviewing hospitality industry
rules Hospitality New Zealand. Sam McKinnon is with us. Has
Sam got very well? Thank you give me the stupidest

(38:42):
rule that you've come across.

Speaker 19 (38:45):
Do you know that grandparents can't take green kids to
the pub because they're not considered legal guardians?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
That is that's pretty dumb. So was that even if
what's under the age of what.

Speaker 19 (38:56):
Under eighteen? So in a supervised area, you can have
an under eighteen can be in a supervis area as
long as they were the parent or a legal guardian.
But if your grandparents not considered your legal guardian, they
can't take you to there.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
This and Sam, this is not even the kid drinking. Hey,
that's the kid just being there.

Speaker 19 (39:12):
No, exactly just being on the premise. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Okay, you're punting that one to David Cymore's ministry to
get that one got rid of.

Speaker 19 (39:20):
That will definitely be on the list. Yeah, I mean,
I guess one of the things for US is the
terms of reference notes. There's about thirteen different ministerial portfolios
that this review could impact, and so that kind of
speaks to the myriad of regulations that that hospitality has
to find its way through just to operate a business. Yeah,

(39:43):
and so yeah, I mean the point of the review
for US, I guess, while there are some of these
rarely sort of stupid rules that are in place, the
opportunity for the industry to be able to have a
comprehensive look at all of the different areas that cut
across what it takes to run a hospitality venue as
the real opportunity here.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
How much do you reckon these rules are costing you guys?

Speaker 19 (40:08):
Yeah, I mean it's obviously hard to put a dollar
figure on that, but you know, we know that there's
opportunities costs.

Speaker 15 (40:13):
So.

Speaker 19 (40:15):
The rules and rigs that we're facing, we're regularly here
from our members that that impacts their investment decisions or
the number of staff that they're trying to employ, and
that obviously has flow ons to how the industry grows
or how the business itself grows. So I think, you know,
being able to cut through some of this stuff and
I guess just provide some certainty for business owners and

(40:38):
in a clearer sort of way forward is the key
thing for us.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, Sam, good to talk to you, appreciate you t
I make best of luck with it at Sam McKinnon Hospitality,
New Zealand, Heather do to see Ellen. Not just the peaches,
I'm sad to tell you, not just the peaches. What
is New Zealand is now also cutting down on other
crops that they take from Hawks Bay farmers. It looks
like it's going to affect the beetroot and the corn
and the tomatoes. They say that just responding to market demand,

(41:07):
increase competition from imported goods, and rising costs. So basically
things are costing more. We can get it cheaper elsewhere,
and basically you and I are not as fussed about
buying homegrown as we once might have been. So beetroot, corn,
tomatoes as well as the peaches coming up quarter pass. Okay,
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(41:49):
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Speaker 2 (42:30):
To two, Heather, do for see Allen Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
They've been using Peruvian asparagus for years. I believe that
nineteen past five. Now there's a new cow on the block.
PAMU and the Livestock Improvement Corporation have created a new
breed of cattle. It can produce both beef and dairy
and they're calling it the Synergizer. Mark Leslie is the
PAMU CEO and with us.

Speaker 17 (42:49):
Home Mark, Good afternoon, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I'm very well, thank you. That's a cool name. Who
came up with that?

Speaker 17 (42:56):
Oh? It was it was a plain on wheres in
terms of that's coming from the word synergy and it
was a synergy about actually bringing together some genetics that
include Angus Hereford Cimontel' charlet, So a little bit of
a play there, but also around the collaboration between how
does the dairy sector and the livestop sector collaborate to

(43:16):
come up with these animals that will be used. It'll
come out of the dairy herds and then go into
the livestock heurts and become a beef animal to go
right through. So the synergy between the sectors. But no,
it's a pretty cool name that sort of brings together
the beast of both worlds and different breeds as well
as the dairy and the livestop sector.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Now tell me something, Mark, why do you want a
cow to be able to be both dairy and beef
Because you don't want to milk it for years and
then eat it, do you.

Speaker 17 (43:40):
Yeah? No, so no it's not going to be milked.
So what this is intending to do is this breed
here will be used. The dairy farmers will continue to
use their traditional breeds for their milking animals. These bulls
or these will be used to go over maybe some
of the cows. They don't want to keep the replacements
out of and they'll use these Sogina eight animals that

(44:01):
can then go off into the livestock sector and become
animals for meat and for process and to that side
of it. So no, they won't be getting books. They'll
be coming out of the dairy sector and going off
into that.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Do you reckon there's a market for this?

Speaker 17 (44:16):
Yeah? Absolutely, And the work we've done and this has
been part of our journey in terms of the dairy
beef journey and rearing those extra cars out of our
dairy units to go into the livestock units and these
genetics are a key part of that. And you have
seen a recent Rubbo report rubber Bank report where they
talk about potential upside of dairy beef to New Zealand

(44:37):
of one point two billion. And we've been he looking
at this for the last number of years and these
will meet the need of the dairy farmer. They really
look from the dairy expective, they really they stand out
in terms of their silver color, the low birth faith
and the lights. But then once they're on a livestock farm,
they grow out really well. They've got good live weight
game and that's really the red meat quality. So make

(45:00):
the names of both sides.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Great, that's fantastic stuff. Mark, Thanks very much, Mark, Leslie
palmu Ceo.

Speaker 20 (45:06):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
The name's gonna stick you reckon? The farmer is going
to be out there going, oh, that one's my Hereford,
and that one is my jersey, and that's my synergizer.
You know, do you think it's I reckon? I reckon,
we I reckon. We're gonna come up with something a
little bit more tame, don't you. Five to twenty one, the.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather du for c
Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Doorgs said, be Heather, call it a steak and shake.
Five point twenty four. Okay, listen, go on and tell
me that any of the allegations that we've heard about
the Mary Party in the last thirty six hours surprise you.
Does it shock you in any way to find out
that one of their MP's allegedly paid her son one
hundred and twenty thousand dollars of tax payer money, that
she couldn't apparently balance her own budget, and that her

(45:52):
son allegedly abused parliamentary staff. So badly that he was
trespassed from the grounds. Not really a not really a surprise,
And this feels like exactly the kind of stuff you
would expect to be happening when a political party pulls
together a collection of activists who have no respect for
the rules, which they demonstrate on a seemingly weekly basis
by not showing up to their jobs in parliament, who
can't even do up a pair of leather shoes to

(46:13):
go to work, and who think nepotism is just another
way of showing love to your family. Their words, not mine.
Now do you realize that that alleged incident where edu
KAPPAKINGI shouted at parliamentary staff and threatened to knock one
out happened on budget Day twenty twenty four, as in
eighteen months ago, and we have only just found out now,
which as me wondering what else is going on in

(46:35):
there that we don't know about yet. Now I'm not
surprised by what's being revealed and what it means is
I find it weirdly that I'm weirdly not actually terribly
exercised by it, certainly not in the way that I
would be if this was national or Labor or any
other serious party. I would expect in those instances for
heads to roll, and I would expect explanations and media

(46:55):
stand ups and real interrogations by the media and people
appearing on the show to be grilled. But I don't
expect that with the Marti Party. Now that should worry
the Marty Party because what that means is that I,
than anyone else who feels like me, don't take them seriously.
We don't think they're serious people. We don't expect them
to hold standards up. We regard what we're seeing is
more of a clown show that needs to be contained

(47:16):
so it doesn't contaminate the rest of Parliament. So good
luck to them making it into a future cabinet, which
they're obviously quite keen on if they're not being taken
seriously by us.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Paul Conway, Reserve Bank chief economist, has just given a
speech in Sydney where he's defended the money printing during COVID.
Oh lord, I cannot wait to tell you about this,
which I will. And the engine ATIB Trainey is with
us in over an hour because she's been watching this,
so she'll run us through it as well. Now on
the grandparents, Heather, if you think I can't take my
grandparents my grandkids to a pub or a cafe because
I'm not a legal guardian, than they're dreaming. Now that

(47:50):
is a dumb rule, isn't it. Let me tell you
so you will have known, like, actually it's kind of
a dumb rule, but also kind of not because I
don't know if you've noticed this, but grandparents are kind
of wild, you know, like this what happened?

Speaker 8 (48:04):
Like?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I often find myself going, what happened to you? Mum?
You used to run us like it was some sort
of a military force going on in here, and then
I leave my children with you, and it's wild, Like
some of the stuff is so wild, I can't tell
you on the radio for fear of SIFs getting involved. Anyway,
So my friend told me she's got a theory on it.
What happens is that bear with me. What happens as

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women go through menopause, and then of course the hormones change, right,
and so they lose all their lady hormones. This is grandmothers.
They lose all their lady hormones and it just gets
replaced with male hormones, and so once they're through menopause,
instead of being hormonally like a woman, they hormonally like
a man, which means they just don't care as much
and they're prepared to take risks. So and you know

(48:46):
how men are with children, They're like, yeah, they don't
really care.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
So now what you've got is granddad who is a man,
and grandma who's basically behaving like a man. And so
you've got two granddads, which is why grandparents are risky
for the children, because yeah, because of the menopause. Look,
it's far I know right now, it sounds completely far fetched,
but you just have a little think about that, and
it might explain why your mother, who used to be

(49:09):
yeah like comman dunt is all of a sudden, I
don't know, doing all kinds of crazy, wild things that
you can't tell anybody about for fear of as I say,
sip's getting involved anyway, mixed up. Let's have a chat
about the fees free policy. Remember that old clanger. Yeah,
there's a report that says it's a bad idea. We'll
talk about it next.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else used talk.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Won't you win the body, I can do this all.

Speaker 13 (49:49):
You'll be down to.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
You have a catch a spark. Spark has taken the
decision first Telco to take this decision in New Zealand
to kind of ban some creepy stuff about kids online.
So we'll run you through that when we talk to
them after six Heather, we love our children dearly. This
is from a grandparent. We love our children dearly, but
we're busy and stressed about getting parenting right when our
kids were little. But by the time the grandkids came along,

(50:11):
we're pretty comfortable about our own parenting results. Oh that's lovely,
isn't it. You've looked at your children and you thought, oh,
not half bad, and then those little people melt our
hearts like you wouldn't believe. So we do fun stuff
with them and don't stress the mess. That's a different
role and we love it. Actually, yeah, I mean it
is fine if the grandparents are a bit nutty from
time to time.

Speaker 13 (50:29):
Loll.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
They're nutty though.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
David Farrer has just tweeted this out. The Broadcasting Standards
Authority has made a secret in principal decision that they
have the power to hear complaints and censor any audio
all video content transmitted over the Internet. This is an
outrageous power grab from a government censorship body and must
be fought. And Winston Peters is also tweeted about it.
David's with us on the huddle shortly, so we'll ask

(50:52):
him about it right now. It's twenty three away from
six now. A new report has found the university fees
free policy as a dead weight and should be scrapped.
You'll remember the policy. This is one brought in by
Jasinda Ardern. Next year's on us and then this government
swapped it to be the third year that was free,
not the first year. But the Ministry of Education reporter
has found there's no evidence that more people are signing
up for unique courses because of it. Gabriel Boyd is

(51:12):
Auckland University Students Association President with us.

Speaker 20 (51:15):
Hello Gabriel, Hi, Heather, thank you for having me on.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Very welcome. Do you agree that it's not working?

Speaker 20 (51:23):
I think to call it a dead weight is quite unfair.
I don't think it worked exactly the way the government planned.
But I would like to point out a couple of things.
I think the first being obviously, enrollments haven't seen the
spike that the government wasn't tending, but we don't know
the counterfactual. We don't know, and enrollments have been decreasing

(51:44):
since I believe two thousand and nine, and we don't
know what the case would have been had the fees
free scheme not been implemented in the first place. I
do also want to point out, in terms of reducing
debt levels for students, even assuming that in moments weren't
bumped at all by this policy, I think the twelve
thousand dollars that students saved that they can then put

(52:06):
towards accommodation, food, transportation with this cost of living does
make a huge impact.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, I mean, obviously there are greater considerations than that,
like how much money the country's got, which is not
a lot. So if it hasn't done what it's designed
to do, should we just scrap it?

Speaker 20 (52:21):
I don't think we should scrap it. I think the
government should look at I think more creative ways of
implementing it. Obviously, you have the labor plan, the first
year free, which was the whole purpose of that, obviously,
to reduce the parity at universities, which doesn't look like
it worked out. National then comes in and says final
years free, and it doesn't look like retention or completion

(52:44):
was really helped by that very much either. I think
a hybrid model whereby first year is free contingent on
the completion of a degree, I think that would not
only sort of push what Labor and National were hoping
to get out of their rail.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
I think it would be.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Regu that it had no impact whatsoever.

Speaker 20 (53:01):
Even we never tried first year free contingent on completion.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
But but we did first year free contingent on nothing
and it didn't. It didn't push up, it didn't. It
just did not push up enrollments.

Speaker 20 (53:13):
Yeah, again, we don't know the counterfactual. Enrollments have been
decreasing steadily over time. Obviously, it's we're not in a vacuum.
We do have COVID to look at as well, and
to claim I think the broad claim that had this
not been implemented, the enrollment numbers would have been the
exact sam. I don't think that's a completely fair claim

(53:34):
to make.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
All right, Gabriel, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Mate.
That's Gabriel boyd Auckland University Students Association President. Right now
twenty away from six the.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
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Speaker 3 (53:47):
On the huddle with me this evening we have David
Faraki we blog and Curiapolster and Jack Tame who's the
host of Q and A and Saturday mornings on z
BE High. Lads, Hello, David, tell me what the BSA
has done.

Speaker 9 (53:58):
Well, we only know because the platform has actually released it.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
But they made a secret and.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
Principal decision that they not only can censor and regulate
traditional broadcasters, but people who broadcast over the Internet. And
lets be very clear, if you read their decision, it
means anyone who sends.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
Audio or video over the Internet that's received by p one.

Speaker 9 (54:25):
This is a massive power grab done in secret, and
it's not the way I say. Is there an issue
around who regulates and content? Yeah, government's had twenty reviews
on this. You know, the way you normally do is
MHL the policy discussion, green paper, white paper, you change
the law. But here the VSA has just in Secret

(54:45):
said no, we've decided we can now regulate you.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
So I think this is going to back.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Let me just ask you how this Isn't there a
Broadcasting Standards Authority law that tells them what like where
they're re it starts and ends.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
It does, and it talks about where you send a
program over the radio waves or similar telecommunication device, and
that can be picked up by a device design. From
what they've basically said as well, we think the Internet
has a telecommunications device and.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Anyone with a mobile.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
Phone is there, and it's clearly not the case when
the Broadcasting It was.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
Written, they clearly did not have the inter mind.

Speaker 13 (55:31):
We noticed too, because the government has had numerous.

Speaker 9 (55:34):
Reviews talking about how the Internet isn't covered by the
Broadcasting Act. But now the BSA and Secret have decided, Oh,
actually no, we think it is.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I love the BSA every day. I just love them more.
Hey Jack, on the subject of broadcasting and stuff, how
good are the new rules? You guys are able to
start playing ads during your program on.

Speaker 10 (55:54):
A Sunday morning in a single handedly turn around the TV?
Doesnes I reckon?

Speaker 17 (56:00):
Do you know what?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Though?

Speaker 19 (56:00):
It is?

Speaker 10 (56:01):
It's kind of funny for me because so we broke
os Q and A on Sunday Mornings live and at
the moment we have those like little ninety second long
station promos. But if you have four minute adds, it
actually means I get less time talking and less time interviewing,
which I'm not actually like as thrilled about as you
might imagine.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Nah, No, you don't need to do that. You can
just cut one of f o Owen's packages.

Speaker 13 (56:24):
No, I would never do that.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
That'd be the That'd be the absolute last thing I
would cut.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Well, then, but on the bright side, you've got enough
time now to pop out for a quickly we you know,
make a cup of tea, you do stuff like that
which you haven't had a chance to do.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
That's true.

Speaker 13 (56:39):
Yeah, yeah, I know. A thousand small violence plays with
us struggling to be presented on.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Sunday morning in case you don't need the money.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
We do need the money.

Speaker 10 (56:47):
I just don't know that it's going to be enough
to turn things around. I'm not sure that nobody such
a huge no, I know, but in the you know,
with a huge shadow of Google and Facebook looming over
the New Zealand Brook things actor, I don't know that
our Sunday morning ads and Christmas is going to turn
think around that much.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Maybe no help, it'll help, David. This is one of
those things you have to wonder. I mean, once upon
a time it would have made sense, but you have
to wonder. Help in God's name. It lasted till twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 9 (57:16):
I know, there's so many archaic laws. Yo, it's amazing
it wasn't repealed early.

Speaker 17 (57:22):
It's jack case.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
It will make very little financial.

Speaker 13 (57:25):
Difference, but it just was there a good.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Reason to keep it? And the answer is no.

Speaker 9 (57:31):
Hopefully, what sensible broadcasters will do is say, we still
want to have fifty minutes of Jack on a here,
so we'll make it a sixty five minute program rather
than reduce the actual Jack.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
How do you feel about that? Ninety and yeah?

Speaker 13 (57:46):
Exactly. I mean give the people why they one day? David,
you know, ninety minutes here?

Speaker 17 (57:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (57:52):
Now, Jack?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Can I ask you a question. Is it true that
Q and A broadcasts on a Sunday morning because there
are no ads?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
No?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Why does it broadcast on a Sunday morning? I think
to punish you.

Speaker 10 (58:04):
No, I actually I actually preferred Sunday mornings because for
a couple of reasons.

Speaker 13 (58:08):
So I think when they originally.

Speaker 10 (58:10):
Did it, it was modeled off overseas versions which had
public policy programs on Sunday mornings. The reason I actually
like having it on Sunday mornings personally is that it
fits quite elegantly into the political week, and that if
you think about when cabinet meets, think about post cabin asence,
you think when policies are announced in things, it gives
us a bit of a bit of space to consider

(58:32):
what's happened in the week and try and take a
kind of bird's eye view. So I'm quite happy with it.
I mean, I haven't had a rowdy Saturday night in
about ten years anyway.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah, you definitely were old before your time. All Right,
we'll take a break, come back talk about politics. Cinnamon
at quarter to two the.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
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of a kind.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
But back on the huddle with us we have David Farah,
Jack Tame Jack. Now the Smarty Party business. How does
this end? Do you think they just break awast?

Speaker 10 (58:59):
I certainly think it's extremely likely, given just how acrimonious
things have been over the last few days. I mean,
I mean, I can't imagine given that email the other
nights that there's going to be any sort of day
time when it comes to some members of the party
and the Kupa King family. There could be wrong on

(59:21):
that front, but I can't see it turning around. And
I mean it just you know, it's pretty extraordinary really
you consider what's gone through the House this week. We've
just had the Marina and Coastal Areas at brought forward
in the House for you know, what was.

Speaker 13 (59:35):
Essentially a legislation that.

Speaker 10 (59:38):
You know, with the genesis of to Party Mardi and
instead of focusing on, you know, offering meaningful opposition to that,
instead you have their MPs at six and seven's bickering away,
you know. And if anyone thought that would be going
into next years election without having questions about whether or
not to Party Mardi would be a rely governing partner,

(01:00:01):
I mean, yeah, this is this is pretty extraordinary. I mean,
I think it is going to be the question for
Chris Hopkins in the in the immediate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Future, David, do they break a pass.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
That they really have to lot?

Speaker 13 (01:00:14):
The email they out.

Speaker 9 (01:00:15):
Was designed to destroy that MP's reputation so there's no
way you can see that she is going to be
a candidate for them at next election.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
Ah, what happens in the interim?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I mean maybe not even Parku the feris, but what
happens in the interim? Can they hobble along for another
years as a collective party or do those who have
to break apart?

Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
I think that's quite possible that they'll break apart before
the election. Might not necessarily be be two to four,
It could even be three to three, because it's not
just about the MPs, it's about what the electorates are
are going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
To do there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Who's going to be the third David.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Well who's not a co leader or not a new MP?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Hmm, Hannah RAFTI my piek.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
Yes, so I would watch the very carefully.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
I think you might be.

Speaker 10 (01:01:05):
It would be interesting though, because because they can of
course be waker jumped, right even if they're one electric seat,
there can be waker jump technically. But the question would
be whether or not if they split they to party.
Mardi would be game for a by election and somewhere
like to tie Tolkioo. Given I think there'd be no
guarantees as to the results of that especially after.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
After you know about three by elections.

Speaker 11 (01:01:30):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:01:30):
It's it's unlikely, but it's not inconceivable.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Party anything can happen, Jack, But I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:01:38):
This is the thing, right, you know, electoral MPs can
be waker jumped.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
So yeah, now, David Listen, I I had a chat
to Barry about this earlier. There is a problem when
you start talking about things like is happening with Chris
lux about who's going to succeed and you've got polls
saying it's going to be Chris Bishops and stuff like that,
that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is he in
dangerous territory?

Speaker 13 (01:01:58):
Yet he's not?

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
But the facts someone did a poll is the story.
The actual result was most people don't have a view. Basically, oh,
sixteen percent ahead of twelve percent doesn't mean anything, but
the media have obviously decided or in this case the
post that you know, there's enough grumblings that soul run
a pole and it does partly become itself selling propcy.

(01:02:24):
The really he is when Jasindra During and John Key
we're prime ministers, no one ran polls about who you
want to succeed them because it's ridiculous. I still don't
think it changes in any way the basic logic, which is,
you're crazy to consider changing your leader your first.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Term in government. It's never been done, has never worked, etc.
But it's unhelpful.

Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
The great saving grace sanjects of.

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
That is tipahi mai, because not only will be scaring
people off the left, it's such a great distraction for
the government.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Sadly, what do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Jack?

Speaker 10 (01:03:00):
Yeah, I mean when it comes to speculation about a leader,
I'm kind of of the put up or shut up
camp and that I think, like it's just kind of
sometimes it can honestly be a bit of a lazy
media narrative like, oh, here we go watching these polls.
You know, a long way out from an election, and
a prime minister isn't as popular as.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
It might be.

Speaker 10 (01:03:22):
That being said, clearly there is a sense of, you know,
a wide sprints of dissatisfaction with the economy at the moment,
which I think is directly linked to National's popularity. In particular,
Christopher Luxon hasn't enjoyed the same levels of support that
ar Dern, Key and even Clark.

Speaker 13 (01:03:39):
Enjoyed, and really in a way he kind of represents.

Speaker 10 (01:03:41):
A bit of a change from those prime ministers who
occupied the office for multiple terms in that he isn't
a huge force of personality. You know, for the most part,
if you think back to whether it was Clark or
Key or a Dern that those governments were led by
really big personalities. They might have been polarizing, but they
were big personalities and don't know that you put a

(01:04:05):
cig and so yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Okay, thanks guys, good to talk to you, Jack, Dame
Devia farre Huddle this evening seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
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Speaker 13 (01:04:17):
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Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I'm waiting for Joe Rogan to apologize for something he
said after receiving his New Zealand BSA letter. I love
that the BSA has done this. They've just got they've
got together in a little huddle, haven't they, And they've gone, hey, guys, okay,
what we're going to Well, we're going to decide we've
got new rules. So this is we're only allowed to
do this at the moment, but if we just change
the rules ourselves, then we're going to be allowed to

(01:04:40):
do it that much. Let's do it. Let's go for
the world. Off we go. Yeah, now this is not
how it works. We'll see how this goes. But because
by the way, by the way, what's important is that
Winnie doesn't love it. And if Winnie doesn't love it
and he's in government and not gonna happen. He's put
out a tweet saying why does the BSA think that
they can make up their own rules and secret meetings
to act like some Soviet erastazi. The blatant overreach on

(01:05:03):
display by the BSA now dictating they can censor and
monitor anything transmitted on the Internet is highly concerning. Can
the BSA please tell us what the legal basis for
their recent outrageous action is quite I'm so looking forward
to an explanation from the BSA. Heather David is read right,
jeseus quite a lot of texts on the BSI. I
didn't realize they wound you guys up as much as

(01:05:23):
they wind me up anyway, hither, I'm not sure we're
having ads on Sundays is going to generate that much
extra revenue, because surely most advertisers will simply spread their
advertising spend over seven days rather than six. Well, Jennifer,
good point. But you're forgetting it's not just Sundays. It's
Anzac Day, it's Christmas Day, it's Good Friday, and it's
east to Sunday. Now, the important thing to understand here

(01:05:44):
is Christmas Day, because what happens on the day after
Christmas Day, that's right, Boxing Day sales. So what we're
what you're going to find is you're suddenly going to
have like Christmas Day is not the same as every
other day. Right, You've got basically the whole country doing nothing.
And if they're not at the beach, what are they
doing sitting in front of the goggles the goggle box.
I'm gonna look there. And so what you're gonna do
is you're gonna have Harvey Norman, Harvey Norman ads, Harvey

(01:06:06):
Norman ads, no leaning ads, warehouse ads, all of the
Boxing Day sales ads. And that's not something that you
can do, you know, every other day of the year.
So I think I think there's some some good dollars
coming in. Anyway, I'm over an out of time to
tell you about what Paul Conway has said, the Reserve
Bank chief economist defending his money printing during the COVID pandemic.
You're gonna want to hear it, so we'll get to

(01:06:26):
that shortly. G Native Trainey is also going to talk
us through it when she's with us after half past six,
sat through the whole speech. But next up, let's have
a chat to Spark.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Even in coming up in the next hour, j know TIBs.
Trainey is going to talk us through the Reserve Bank
defending its money printing during COVID Milford asset management on
the US government shutdown really starting to have an effect
in Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK
right now at a seven past six. Now, Spark has
become the first New Zealand talco to block websites that
are hosting AI generated child sex abuse material stuff that's

(01:07:32):
non for photographic. Now what that means is it doesn't
look realistic it's cartoon style images or artistic impressions of
child abuse material. Leela Ashford is Spark sustainability director and
with me Hi, Leela.

Speaker 22 (01:07:44):
Hey, Heather, how are you going good?

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
The Internet Watch Foundation records they've seen about a four
hundred percent increase of this kind of stuff AI generated stuff.
Are you seeing that?

Speaker 22 (01:07:54):
So we basically see it through the IWF, So we
take a list that they pile rather than going and
I guess finding it ourselves because it is illegal content.
But yes, they've told us that it's been rising by
about four hundred percent and that includes both you know,
photorealistic as well as non photographic images and videos, which

(01:08:15):
is really concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Yeah, and so are they the ones who tell you
what websites to block?

Speaker 22 (01:08:20):
That's right, because you know, Spark can't have its people
obviously going and trawling for that kind of material. It
would be illegal for us to access it. So the
way that it works is IWF has its own organization
in place, It has appropriate people who are trained to
identify this content. They create a list that automatically it's

(01:08:40):
automated to come into our network, and then we block
it and that list gets updated around twice a day,
so it's very current.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
How many websites you've blocked.

Speaker 22 (01:08:50):
We don't have a specific tracking of it at this
stage because we've just implemented broad it in. But the
IWF list itself can be anywhere from thousands to tens
of thousands, but because it's updated twice a day, that
number does change over time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
What about a site like Twitter? Would you go as
far as to block that?

Speaker 22 (01:09:12):
No, So this is the challenge with network blocking. It's
a bit of a blunt instrument. So the only thing
that Spark can do is block at a total network level,
so that means we block a whole domain or a
whole website. So when IWS says to us, this whole
website is full of this awful material, then we block it.
But if it was something hosted within a Facebook page

(01:09:35):
or a post, for example, the only tool we have
available is to block Facebook for everyone on the Spark network,
which obviously we can't do. So you do need a
number of different interventions to tackle this issue.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
But that is though, Leela, I guess I mean that
shows just the extent of what we can do, which
is that we can't get rid of it all right,
because even if we've blocked every single bad website out there,
there will still be people who use Twitter to share
this kind of thing.

Speaker 22 (01:10:00):
Absolutely, and I think if there are people who want
to access this material, they will, They will get around
our network blocking with certain tools. But what we're trying
to do, I guess, is to protect particularly kids, but
any of our customers from inadvertently stumbling across this because
this content isn't just on the dark Web, it's across

(01:10:21):
the Internet.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Hey are you worried? Unrelated, but are you worried about
the three G shutdown?

Speaker 22 (01:10:27):
We're doing a lot of work on the three G shutdown. Obviously,
this is you know, the old version, the old G,
and we're now into four G and we've got five
G coming going.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
To shut down.

Speaker 22 (01:10:41):
Well, we've been communicating to our customers who are using
devices that are impacted by three G. So you'll start
to notice you're either getting direct messages or when you
start to make a call on your phone, it or
start to say, hey, you're dialing from a device that
is impacted. There are devices like what you were talking
about that are not necessarily connected to us, like IoT

(01:11:04):
sensors or medical alarms and generally those businesses and managing
their communications, but we're working very closely with them to
ensure that we're giving everyone a really long heads up
before it shuts down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yes year, yeah, hey, thank you very much. Lela, look
after yourself. Leila ash But sustainability director at Sparky. So
what's happening is the three G shutdown is starting in December.
It's starting on December thirty one. I think two degrees
and one New Zealand go on December thirty first, and
then spark shuts theirs down in March next year. And
people are raising alarm because when they did this in Australia,

(01:11:38):
it did not go well. It did not go well,
and a whole bunch of devices. People were like, what's
going on? I didn't know? Oh yeah, they warned you,
but no, you didn't know. An e Road is one
of the companies raising alarm today because some of the
small business customers that use e road are still using
truck tracking devices that rely on the three G network
and it's just gonna shut down. If you're still using it,
it's gonna shut down one day and you're gonna go

(01:11:58):
what happened? And if you've got a Kindle smart device
sold before. Smart devices like Kindle sold before twenty twenty one,
relying on the three G that's going to shut down
medical devices, electric gate security alarms, So check it out.
Make sure you haven't got the three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
G six twelve heavers due for so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Reserve Bank economists Chief economist Paul Conway has defended the
money printing during the COVID ap epidemic. He's given a
speech to Sydney. In Sydney to an investment conference, he
said the Reserve Bank's money printing policy during the pandemic
paid for itself and help keep the economy functioning at
a time of stress. The bond buying program, which is
known as a large scale asset purchases you may remember,

(01:12:38):
basically lost the economy ten and a half billion dollars,
but he says in mind because it had significant benefits
by boosting economic activity during the pandemic. The program increased
government tax range revenues, and this higher revenue almost entirely
covered the direct losses from the program, leaving consolidated crownd
debt virtually unchanged over the medium term. As in, it

(01:13:00):
might have lost ten and a half, but it also
made ten and a halfs in of Mind said the
program also restored financial market confidence, then lowered long term
interest rates, which held down the exchange rate and supported exports.
He said, if they could have gone negative with the
interest rates, they would have done that. And he also
did not blame the Reserve Bank for inflation, because the
Reserve Bank never blames themselves for anything that happened. According

(01:13:21):
to Paul Conway, that was the government. It was Grant
because Grant was spending too much money on the wage
subsidy and other pandemic support policies which worked against the
Reserve Bank's approach and contributed to the inflation spike. So
once again, the Reserve blank is it not to blame
for anything. Six fourteen.

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Ellens whether that RBNZ economist defending the LASAP is clearly
on drugs. We pay around two hundred and fifty million
dollars per month in interest on that ten billion dollar

(01:14:48):
loss today, and in case the RBNZ hasn't noticed, the
tax take is currently on the floor, so the losses
against that disastrous program are still occurring. Graham, Thank you,
seventeen past six Now. Brendan Larsen, Milford Asset Mannagement is
with me Hy Brendan if you go that, Okay, government
shutdown in the US really starting to have an effect
because we're currently flying totally blind when it comes to
official data what's going on here?

Speaker 23 (01:15:10):
Yeah, look, there's still certainly a lot of fireworks going
off to spite no official government data. But I think
it is worth sort of stepping back first to understand
why we're actually in this government shut down. Each year,
the US federal budget needs to be approved by Congress
for spending across key departments. So of Congress and the
President can't agree on a budget, the US government is

(01:15:31):
legally required to shut.

Speaker 24 (01:15:32):
Down as there's no authority to spend. So that means
non essential government operations stop and essential services operate without pay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah, and why is it that Congress and the President
can't agree on the budget.

Speaker 24 (01:15:43):
Yeah, so this is a really important point. So the
Democrats are making healthcare a priority, so they're wanting to
reverse changes made to Medicaid and Trump's Big Beautiful Bill.
So these changes were effectively making it more difficult to
get healthcare cover by changing work requirements and more frequent
eligibility checks. They also want to renew these ACA tax credits,

(01:16:04):
which really just provide cheaper health insurance for low income consumers.
So the changes were made to free up spending for
other areas of the bill. But Democrats are really pushing
back quite aggressively on this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Okay, talk to me about the timing of this and
what the impact is.

Speaker 24 (01:16:18):
So, yeah, the timing is probably a hard one, but
I'd say that this isn't the first time we've had
a government shutdown. In fact, it's the twenty first funding
gap and the third shutdown under President Trump. The last
shutdown was actually under his administration twenty nineteen and was
the longest.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
In history in that lasted thirty five days.

Speaker 24 (01:16:35):
We're fourteen days in now, and polymarket odds suggest a
sixty five percent chance of this one lasting more than
thirty days. On the sort of economic impact, the shutdown
means that around seven hundred and fifty thousand federal employees
have been placed on furlough, so they're not getting paid. Historically,
we've seen growth slow down in that time period as
a result of that, but a roughly equal catch up

(01:16:58):
and growth in the sort of following quarter. The difference
this time is that we know following doge and these
other sort of announcements that the Trump administration have wanted
to reduce the size of the government, and so there
is some risk of layoffs of these furloughed employees, and
we've seen sort of Trump make noise of this already.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Yeah, now, before I let you go, Brandon brand and
I just want to talk to you about the tariff
threats from Trump last week. How's that playing out of
the moment.

Speaker 24 (01:17:23):
Yeah, Look, the market was clearly focused on this announcement.
We saw a big reaction, but really there has been
ongoing tit for tat over recent months. So the US
had actually been agitating by placing more Chinese companies on
their trade restriction list and banning Chinese carriers from flying
over Russia on US bound flights. In response, China reciprocated
many measures, but more importantly, placed further controls around their

(01:17:47):
rare earth that are critical to many US interests, including
military equipment and technology as well. And so that's really
what culminated in these threats from President Trump on Friday
of a new one hundred percent tariff on top of
existing tarr and so where that goes from here is
still unknown. But President Trump and President g we're supposed
to be having a meeting at the Apex summit later

(01:18:08):
this month, and so hopefully we get some sort of
resolution ahead of this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Yeah very much. Hey Bret Brendan, thank you very much
for talking us through that. Brendan, Lars and Milford Asset Management.
Do you know what I'm into The Diplomat Season three?
The Diplomat season three is premiering tomorrow. I know, and
mea cattered me just then. He was looking down, not
paying any interest. I said tomorrow. He looked straight up.

(01:18:33):
He was like, That's what I'm doing with my tomorrow.
If you haven't watched The Diplomat, it actually is fantastic. Okay,
like it really you started and you're like, what is this?
And then three episodes jan you're like, I'm into this
and it only gets better. If you haven't started on
season one, it only gets better because season three has
got Alison Jenny in it, who's one of the best
actors of all time. If you've seen her in what's

(01:18:55):
that show where she's like the moist Smidest, She's in
that one and I can't remember what the he's called anyway,
She's just got such a wonderful range, but of course
you'll know her from the West Wing and bonus bonus,
she's teaming up with Bradley Whitford from the West Wing
was Josh Lyman. So you've got Bradley from the West Wing,
Allison from the West Wing and then the existing cast
of The Diplomat. Oh, just you know what. You're gonna

(01:19:17):
thank me for this when you watch it six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I see whether it's from Macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Heather, I girl crush on Kerrie Russell. She has awesome
Sally bang On. She's a babe. You would you would, Heather.
What's the channel for the Diplomat please? And you're so cute?
The channel is Netflix. I don't I don't think we'll
call it a channel, but we'll call it a cha
why not, let's call it a channel today. By the way,
the BSA our lord. This is I am. I just

(01:19:56):
can't tell you right now. I'm getting the popcorn. When
I go home, I'm gonna sit and watch us play
I am looking forward to it. So David Farrer has
printed on his website the BSA ruling against the Platform,
and it starts thus number one the complaint. The complaint
relates to concerns about what the complainant alleges were quote

(01:20:19):
unacceptable racist comments in the platform's twenty two July twenty
twenty five program two as contemplated under the Broadcasting Act
nineteen eighty nine brackets the Act. The complaint was first
referred to the platform. The platform responded, you plunker, we
aren't subject to the Broadcasting Standards Authority. Now you know
that would have just wound them up, something chronic. So

(01:20:40):
they decided, well, yeah you are, and so they chang
They just changed the definition of everything. So basically, because
you get words, who cares? So they changed the definition
and now the platform is caught up. But as somebody
pointed out earlier, so was Joe Rogan, so was every
other podcast that has made in this country.

Speaker 8 (01:20:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
I don't know if you listen to podcasts on the red,
but there are some podcasts that are listened to, like
About three People. They are now called because the BSA
is just giving themselves like ten thousand years of work. Basically,
you can now if the BSA upholds this and if this,
if this actually holds, which it's not going to because dumb,
but if it does, what it means is you can

(01:21:19):
complain about every single podcast. Now you tune the eight, go,
go listen to the alternative commentary can be called whatever
they called. You know, the Cricket Boys, the silly cricket boys.
They swear. Every third word out of their mouth is
a swear word. Swear words I'm not allowed to say
on the radio because of the BSA. Now you can
complain about them. Go straight that goes that you don't like,
you don't like those boys doing the cricket commentary, complain

(01:21:39):
to the BSA and yeah, I cannot wait to find
out how the BSA is going to draw the line
and go no, no, no, we're only doing New Zealand podcasts.
We're not going to worry about Joe Rogan. I look
forward to finding out how Susie Staley, John Gillespie, Adouhabek
and Karen Fenton, Alice, people you've heard of are going
to deal with this one. Six twenty seven.

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blonde red for those who feel a bit spicy. You

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Speaker 9 (01:23:04):
Online.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
You can't get it, but if you if it comes
back into stock seventy New Zealand dollars and hard to
know whether this is real or not, but probably given
that it's Kim Kardashian, it's real. So wild she native
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Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Hand's back and text to say she missed what channel
the diplomat was on because she was bother was getting
out of her car at the time. So whereas it's
and it's on Netflix, I do appreciate that you got
out of your car and then you still somehow switched
to another device to be able to listen to us.
That is good. Good from you, and listen. Gen Z's

(01:24:13):
in the workplace. We're gonna have to talk and talk
about it in a minute, so stand by for that.
Twenty three away from seven. Do you remember how the
Reserve Bank printed huge amounts of money during COVID. This
was the so called Large Scale Asset Program, which was
worth fifty five billion dollars. The Bank has just published
new research that concludes that none of it meaningfully contributed
to our huge inflation problem, because, of course not. Janet

(01:24:34):
Tipsrani is The Herald's Wellington Business editor and after a
very long period, Away is back with us. Hello, Jane, Hi, Heather,
welcome back. Now do we buy this argument from Paul Conway?

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:24:44):
Look, I mean I'm no expert, but I'll explain the thinking.
So at the pandemic, as you said before, the Reserve
Bank effectively created fifty five billion dollars, use that money
to help keep interest rates down, you know, tried to
stimulate the economy. Of course, in twenty twenty one, twenty
twenty two, we had huge inflation. Now a lot of us,

(01:25:07):
you know, would point the finger at the whole government
Reserve Bank response, But often there's been this narrative that
the money printing part was a major contributing factor. Now,
poor Conway and staff at the Reserve Bank said actually no,
like yes, it had had an effect, but not a
huge effect. The reason is because that program largely affected

(01:25:30):
the exchange rate, so it weakened the New Zealand dollar.
That helped exporters, and that boosted the economy. Basically, they're
saying that, unlike the OCR it didn't have a big
effect on consumer demand. So when the Reserve Bank cuts
the OCR, that affects short term interest rates, that makes
people's mortgages cheaper and gets them out in the economy

(01:25:53):
spending more. That has more of a direct impact on
economic demand and therefore inflation. So Paul Conway is saying, look,
you know, money printing isn't perfect, lots of downsides, but
we should be weary of pointing to that and isolating
it and saying, don't never do that again, because it's
the reason we had large inflation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Do we also buy the argument that even though they
lost nearly eleven billion dollars, it was okay because it
drove up the tax take for the government, so it
paid for itself.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:26:22):
Look, this has been a issue that I've had for some time.
Basically because of the mechanics of the money printing, it
came at a direct cost to the government of about
nearly eleven billion dollars. That's a lot of money, right,
But the Reserve Bank is saying that actually the large
show as a purchase program did stimulate the economy. You know,

(01:26:43):
that meant people paid more tax and it also suppressed
the interest rates that the government paid for all the
debt that it took out at the time. And for
the first time it tried to put some numbers to that. Now,
it's very hard to put numbers to that, to say,
you know, the governments invent died all stimulus. Now which
part of the stimulus are we putting down just to
this one program? And then looking at the costs and saying, well,

(01:27:07):
what you know, how did that benefit the government? The
Bank has done that for the first time, and it
said it's concluded that the costs and the benefits, direct
costs and direct gains to the government in terms of
money were about the same. So while we talk a
lot about this eleven billion dollar cost, they say that
the tax revenue and the lower interest costs that the

(01:27:29):
government faced were about worth the same.

Speaker 6 (01:27:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
I mean, the god here, Jana is that they're marking
their own homework, right, And so everybody's gonna look at
it another fair explanation. But actually you'd like somebody independent
to give, you know, to do a similar exercise, wouldn't you.

Speaker 25 (01:27:44):
Yes, And the Reserve Bank did d a review of
its response and publish those findings in twenty twenty two
and had them pair reviewed. But I have been calling
for some time for just, you know, for them to
try to do the maths and to say, well, this
was the cost and this was the direct benefit. I mean,
it's kind of baffling that it's taken this long to

(01:28:06):
get to this conclusion. And it's kind of I mean,
it's kind of unfortunate because all this time there has
been this narrative that that money printing is a terrible
thing because look at the effect and look at the cost.
I think that what Paul Conways tried to do here
is to say, yes, you know, sure, but here's a
more nuanced discussion and here's some modeling and here's some figures.

(01:28:28):
So I think that the bank can be commended for that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Yeah, brilliant. Hey, thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (01:28:32):
Jane.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
It's nice to have you back. This genetive training of
the Herald in Wellington. It's nineteen away from seven. Heather
duplesl you guys introducing some tougher rules for the levels
of English that the migrants have to speak. Gavin Grave
will talk us through that shortly. So there is a
piece in one of the International websites, news websites listening
the six reasons they say that gen z are ruining

(01:28:54):
the workplace, things like walking in late, walking out early,
fixating on wellness, and woke causes dressing down like and
they cite the example of one bloke who came into
work in skin tight leather trousers and goth makeup because
he was going to have to go to a gig
that night and wouldn't have time to change, wearing noise
canceling headphones, which is probably because they spend so much

(01:29:16):
time alone nowadays, the young ones that they can't handle
the noise of other people, and also demanding safe space workplaces,
like you know the silver Ferns who are currently complaining
about Dame Noles. So we've seen all of this stuff.
My absolute favorite was that the first one that they
had on the list, which is dodging phone calls, which
we know that they do because we've try calling a

(01:29:37):
young person on the phone. Nowadays, they're not going to
pick the thing up. And they cite this example. Miranda,
a forty seven year old marketing executive, phoned a young
applicant to conduct an interview, but when the twenty something
picked up the call. He remained completely silent. All I
heard was him breathing, said Miranda, which was really creepy
because it would have been like this, It would just

(01:29:58):
been like click, and then you're not going to get
the job if you do that.

Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
That's weird. Bizarre as it was, the incident is far
from all one off. Many younger workers of you calls
with utter horror. Emma, who's twenty two and a lawyer,
admits to dreading phone calls. She says, if I don't
know who's calling, I let it ring out. It's partly anxiety,
our anxiety, and the partly that I don't always have
the social energy for it. I much prefer messaging people now. Listen,

(01:30:27):
everybody has their weird things. Can we just talk about
this for a second. Everybody's got their weird things, right,
And absolutely I kind of understand from time to time
you're so busy. I don't know about you, but sometimes
you're busy and you're doing something and kids are talking
to you, and the husband's wanting to understand what's going
on with the washing machine because it's not working because
he's probably thought it was the dryer, and there's like
a thousand things going on, and then your mum calls
you and you go, oh, I can't answer the phone.

(01:30:49):
I'm just gonna let it ring out and I'll call
her back when I've got a minute. I get that.
But not answering the phone because it makes you anxious
is so unbelievably weird, isn't it? Like, really you need
to check yourself of that. That's what's going on? Because
can you imagine what is wrong with these children if
they cannot answer that, If a phone ringing gives them anxiety,
how is life going to be for them when they

(01:31:10):
are actually dealing with the real life situation where your
children are talking at you and the state's caught on
fire and the toddler needs an emergency poo? How are
you gonna deal with that? You're not going to be
able to learn to answer the phone. It's as simple
as that. That'll fix all the problems. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
If it's to do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
With money, it matters to you the Business hour with
header dupic Ellen and Mas for insurance investments and Kueye
Safer and you're in good heads news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
I'm fifty and I'm terrified of phone calls. It's the
unexpected conversation phobia. I do not believe that. I do
not believe that that is the thing. You're making that up,
that you cannot possibly have conversation phobia. Thirty What is that?

Speaker 10 (01:31:51):
Even?

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Thirteen away from seven? Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Gavin, what
do you believe that?

Speaker 16 (01:31:56):
I'm not sure I do. It seems unlikely.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
What even is that? Do you think that that's somebody
who thinks, oh, I don't have any small talk. I
don't know what to say to this person.

Speaker 16 (01:32:06):
You see a bit of that on some of these
chat shows.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Yeah, I mean obviously what you say when you don't
have anything to say is how's the weather with you?
It's so simple. Anyway, Kevin, listen to tell me there's
one stick in the little book and keep for later. Anyway.
Tell me about this trial of the asylum seeker.

Speaker 16 (01:32:22):
Yeah, this is a horrid trial that started which alleged
that a man from su Dan, who was staying in
a taxpayer funded hotel as an asylum seeker, having arrived
here on a small boat, followed allegedly followed the hotel
receptionist at the hotel, where he was staying, followed her
home to the railway station as far as she got,

(01:32:46):
and then allegedly stabbed at death with a screwdriver twenty
three times. She died in hospital three days later. And
it's being alleged that after this vicious and frenzied attack,
as it was described at a Warsaw hotel, well that's
in the Midlands, he was quote clearly excited about what
he had done and was seen on CCTV laughing and

(01:33:09):
dancing shortly after the killing. The violence carried out by
asylum seekers or those who come across on small boats
illegally into the UK has really really hit the headlines
in a big way lately. Many believed people in this
country are concerned that we haven't been told the full
truth about some of the crimes because they aren't being

(01:33:30):
linked to the fact there are asylum seekers or staying
in these hotels. Incidentally, it follows another case yesterday in
which a Afghan asylum seeker was sentenced to five years
for threatening to kill Nigel Faraj, the leader of the
very popular in the polls Reform UK Party.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Now, how tough are these endlish speaking rules going to be?

Speaker 6 (01:33:52):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
Pretty tough?

Speaker 16 (01:33:53):
Because they're up to a level standard. What does that mean, Well,
that means the standard you have to reach in subjects
prior to going to university. Now, of course I did
not study English at a level, but it would seem
to be quite a high standard. And they want to
bring in these changes from January of next year. But
it won't apply for all of those who coming to

(01:34:13):
the UK, only of those and some graduates and applying
for those who want to skilled worker or scale up
visas as they're known, which are for people employed in
fast growing businesses. But this is the latest in a
series of initiatives to try and get tough on migrants,
and the new rules form part of these plans, which
are likely to be outlined in a white paper for

(01:34:36):
Law in May, and applicants will be tested in person
on their speaking, listening, reading and writing at approved providers,
with the results then checked as part of the visa process.
I have to say in the past there's been very
little checking to say that the person in front of
you is the person applying for that visa. So I

(01:34:56):
hope that's something the government will tough en up on.
But this is has said is the latest in a
long raft of measures to really help show. I think
that this government says it's determined to crack down on
migration here to the UK.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Now, Gevin, do we know who Margaret Thatcher is alleged
to have had these affairs with?

Speaker 16 (01:35:14):
We do so. Margaret Thatcher would have been one hundred
years old this week, and therefore it's time for some
to dip into the archives and find out more about her,
and of course to release books about her. And one
new book suggests that she had two affairs while married
to her husband Dennis. The Iron Lady was Prime Minister

(01:35:35):
from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen ninety. So who is
it she's alleged to have had an affair with. Well,
it was said to be a former MP for Spelthorne
that's nearer the airport. Sir Humphrey Atkins is his name.
He was Secretary of State for Northern Ireland under the
Iron Lady, as she's known Margaret Thatcher when she was

(01:35:56):
premier between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty one, and
then he was handed out life peerage in nineteen eighty seven.
He was married and had four children before dying in
nineteen ninety six, and the author claims that these affairs
were confirmed by two different sources within her sort of

(01:36:18):
sources within partially within government. And it's interesting because, of
course Margaret Thatcher had described Denis Thatcher, her husband, as
the golden thread running through my life, and indeed their
marriage lasted more than fifty years, so ideas that she
might have had not one but two affairs seems slightly odd. Incidentally,
there it was always very unusual. The Denis Thatcher was

(01:36:40):
very good friends to Mandy Rice Davies, a model and
showgirl heavily involved in the nineteen sixty three Perfumer affair,
and indeed it was said that they had had a
holiday together at one point. No response yet from the
Thatcher family, but I would imagine they would be dismissing
this out of hand, knowing that, of course you can't
lie the dad no to all.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Right, Gavin, thank you very much, appreciate it. Look after yourself.
Kevin Gray, UK correspondent. Do you remember the scene in
Love Actually where Hugh Grant looks up at the photograph
or the portrait of Margaret Thatcher and says, Saucy Minx,
not that far off the truth? Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
It's the Heather Tuopericy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by newstalk ZEBBI.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Hither I'm forty one. I hate taking phone calls. If
I don't know who it is, I always let it
go to the answer phone. First, always hated phone calls.
Maybe partially about business of my life, but I never
know who it will It'll be about can I get
my mind in that space? How long will it take?
I much prefer messages or email too. Can't really say
why I've always whether I've always felt this. Maybe there
are phone people and non phone people. Hither I'm forty five.

(01:37:45):
My partner is thirty four. She hates taking phone calls
because apparently it makes her anxious. It's the weirdest and
most annoying thing. Hither I know a receptionist who always
gets someone else to answer her company's phone. Which is
that's really a liability in that job? Isn't it even
asked her boss to do it one time? Thank you, Rachel,
Thank you. Rachel As has done some research for us
and discovered an article from The Independent dating all the

(01:38:08):
way back to nineteen ninety three talking about this. This
is before the cell phone. This is just the telephone
in the house, and that called telefonophobics, and apparently they
will hype a ventilate or have a panic attack when
the phone rings or when they anticipate having to make
a call.

Speaker 21 (01:38:22):
Yeah, I had a look down and it says depending
on you get it in different degrees. So obviously all
of us are nervous on the phone sometimes, but like, yeah,
if you get it to that serius of One of
the things is if you don't have it to a
serious degree, you can kind of work your way into it,
Like start with just phone calls to automated services that
aren't going to judge you, then move on to family
and friends. This is from the Independent. This is what
they said Ben in ninety three, so I don't know
if this has all been disproven since then. And then

(01:38:44):
you work your way up to talking to strangers, so
that you go I suppose the problem is you and
me talk on the radio, Heather, which is much more
nerve wracking. So neither of us are going to have telephonophobia.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
No, I don't have telephonophobia. No, I definitely don't. Hey,
can I tell you something that's absolutely tickled me? Pink
Dean's text just replayed the last alternative collective common collective
cricket commentary. Have made three hundred and twenty seven complaints
to the BSA now now for their last rugby commentary.
These people do not know what they've started.

Speaker 21 (01:39:12):
Good luck to them and Counting Crows, big yellow taxi
to play us out tonight. The Counting Crows are returning
to New Zealand. They were actually last year in twenty
twenty three, so they haven't been gone long. But in March,
specifically March the twenty ninth, much March the twenty third.

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
I should get that right.

Speaker 21 (01:39:31):
That we're playing one show in Auckland at the Kiddy
Takanawa Theater.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Do you know I went in twenty three. It was
the start of It was literally the first gig that
concert club win to. You know, me and my perimenopausal friends,
our first gig. They were great.

Speaker 5 (01:39:43):
Actually your first gig post pandemic or your first gig ever.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
No, the first gig of the good part of the club.

Speaker 5 (01:39:48):
As I thought the club was older than that. There
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
No, the club only started in twenty two three with
these guys, and these guys were cool. But what I
couldn't get over the whole way through was I was like,
something's wrong, something's wrong. And it wasn't for weeks afterwards
that I realized it said he's cut his draps off.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
Oh what's the point I know on the back for
this show.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
No, he's still got short hair. It doesn't work for
me anyway. Thank you, An, It's lovely to have you back,
by the way, see you tomorrow. Enjoy evening.

Speaker 17 (01:40:16):
A fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
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