Full Show Podcast: 15 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, you get the answers, find a fag
sack and give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with
One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile News
Talks V.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today the Nurses
Union on the twenty four hour twenty four to seven
visiting hours at Hospitals. We'll have a chat to the
tourism mister Louise Upston about the announcement about Eden Park.
I'll get you across that and we'll speak to one
of the priests who chained themselves to Nickola Willis's electorate office.
Before speaking to Nichola.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Willis, Heather DUPERSYLA, do you want the.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Latest for the hospital twenty four to seven visiting policy.
The latest is that Health New Zealand is now reviewing it.
So their statement says Health New Zealand will review the
far no family support policy following recent feedback. Now what
that means basically is, Wow, people hated it more than
they expected we would and so they're going to rethink
it now. I don't know that the policy was actually

(01:01):
as bad as you might have thought when you first
heard it, right at first blush, what it sounded like
was hospitals were changing their visiting policy to basically allow
family and friends just wander on and any time of
day and night. But then when you actually hear the details,
it sounds a little bit more controlled. It sounds like
there is one designated family member who would be given
permission to stay around the clock with someone vulnerable, which,

(01:22):
by the way, is actually what, as far as I
can tell, already happens when someone needs constant help or
as close to death. One of the team here was
in hospital last year. The lady in and the bed
next door had her daughter with her all day and
all night to help out. When my husband was in
hospital a couple of years back, we often had someone
with him outside of normal visiting hours to help out,

(01:45):
just keep an eye on him, Which begs the question,
if it's normal, if it's basically normal and fairly controlled,
what happened, Why couldn't they just say that. Why couldn't
Health New Zealand just come out and say so that
everyone understood. It's not a major change. It doesn't mean
there's going to be a party in the room next door.
How is it that a government department with at last

(02:05):
count one hundred and twenty five communication staff has such
a hard time just communicating. I will remind you, by
the way, that this is the second time that Health
New Zealand has been forced to immediately abandon a policy
within hours of announcing it. Remember it was literally the
fifteenth of last month. It's the fifteenth today. It's the
fifteenth of last month that they announced they were banning marshmallows,

(02:27):
a public outcry because it was a stupid idea, and
now the marshmallows are back today fifteenth of the month.
It's the visiting policy, public outcry. Now the policy is banned.
It hardly instills confidence in Health New Zealand, does it?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Hither? Duplicy ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
As coming right? Nine two ninety two is the text number.
Suspicion obviously, is that they haven't made it a firm
policy so that they can get us to come and
do their work for them, because they don't want to
employ enough people to work in the hospitals, which wouldn't
be all that nutty, would it anyway. So we're going
to have a chat to the nurses union about that
after five now Ea, scooters are becoming more risky. Apparently

(03:05):
incidents have doubled in the last five years. So acc
data recorded more than one two hundred injury claims in
the last year, which cost taxpayers fourteen and a half
million dollars. And let me tell you which city top
the list. It's christ Church, over four hundred claims, more
than any other city out there. Now. Jackson Love is
one of the co founders of Flamingo Scooters. Hi, Jackson,

(03:26):
I hear that.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
How are you going?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Very well?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Thank you? What's going on? Why is christ Church so bad?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it. I think as a key
we owned and operated company, safety is at the heart
of everything we do here at Flamingo. And interestingly, Flamingo
hasn't been down in christ Church for a number of years,
so as a market we'd obviously love to get back
into one day in the future and hopefully improve safety.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
What do you think it is though, I would have
expected that it would actually be. I don't know. I
just thought that a city like Wellington, which is much
more hilly, would have bigger problems with people losing control
on the downslope.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Why christ Church, now that is interesting?

Speaker 5 (04:05):
I think it's really important to understand that not all
these scooters are the same. So shared these scooters like Flamingo,
they capped at twenty five kilometers an hour, they've built
in safety controls and we monitor them twenty four to seven.
But privately owned these scooters, on the other hand, you
often see them wizzing down the footpath sort of speeds
upwards of forty fifty kilometers an hour, and there's not

(04:27):
really any regulation there at all. I've also heard in
the past that mop heads and other types of motorized
scooters have often been categorized in all together and included
in that same ACTA.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I think, you know what, I'm going to come back
at you. I'm going to come back at you on
this Jackson. I actually think the people that I see
misbehaving on the scooters are the people on hired scooters,
not necessarily yours, but any hired scooters like yours. I
think it's the guys who own their own scooters who
are much more responsible because they're much more used to scooting.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Interesting, well, yeah, that's an interesting per sets perspective. I
think at Flamingo we work really closely with our council
partners to manage speed and riding behavior through a number
of different measures. That that includes geo fence, low speed,
no riding and no parking zones. We also provide and
that rider training.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's no mode, that's not because the greatest threat to anybody, right,
let's be honest about it. The greatest threat to anybody
is I'm standing. I don't care if one of your
dudes gets run over by a car, because that's them
getting hurt doing the thing that they love. But the
thing that's a risk to me is that I'm just
standing on the foot path and one of them, you know,
crashes into me. And you see this happen all the time.
They go down the footpath real fast. How do you

(05:37):
control that?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Well, actually, our scooters go a lot slower than the
privately owned one.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Do you not just say twenty five ks an hour?

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Yeah, but there's other there's areas where.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
That'll take me out so badly, man, Like I would
I probably be concussed after that, wouldn't I.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
I think the measures that we have and it's not
just through the app, it's not just the controls on
the scooters themselves, but we also host regular events in
the community.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Wow who cares. This is what I want to know.
I love what you people don You should go work
for Health New Zealand. You're better at communications than they are. Listen,
tell me how we deal with this. Right, So, if
the greatest threat to everybody else is the is people
on a hide scooter going really fast down the footpath,

(06:22):
how do we actually get that to stop? What can
we do here?

Speaker 5 (06:27):
We welcome the recent government announcement that each scooters will
soon be allowed to operate in bike lanes. I think
it's a really positive step that creates dedicated and separated
but they.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Still look, I've got a bike lane outside my house.
I've got a bike lane right there. They still come
down the footpath. That's not a solution.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Yeah, And one reason for that is at the moment,
legally they.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Are actually not allowed to use that cycle lane.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
So it's a it's a common sense change that the
government has recently announced to finally, after years.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Allow these I guess you can be honest with me
if you don't have them, because there aren't There aren't
cycle ways everywhere, and we can't ask these guys to
go on the road because they're going to get smashed
by the cars.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
So how do we actually make footpaths safer when you
have a scooter going down at fast? What do we
do well?

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think the statistics that have been announced today in
relation to rider incidents, so it's the safety of the
rider of themselves, and I think that's an important distinction
to pedestrian injuries. I think when we look at our
statistics and the instance that are reported to us as
a company, it's a very very low percentage of incidents

(07:37):
involve a pedestrian.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
And we're really proud of the work we do to educate.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
And Okay, I take care. That's you don't have an answer.
That's okay, you don't have to. Jackson, thank you, Jackson
Love Flamingo Scooter's co founder. So we've been talking that.
The reason I wanted to answer out of Jackson, which
I didn't get in the end, is because we've been
talking about this today because as I say, there is
a cycle way outside house right the other day, what
two things? The other day? What happened is that I

(08:04):
I pulled out of the drive and I looked up
the road, no no one coming. And I looked down
the road, no no one coming, and no one, no
one coming up the cycle way, so I was good
to pull out. What I didn't see was there's a
scooter coming down the cycle way the wrong way. So
I nearly hit them. But I was okay with that
because I was like, well, you chose to go the
wrong way down the cycle way, and therefore I didn't
know that I was to look and you're the only
one that's going to get hurt because my car is

(08:25):
not going to get her. I don't really care whatever,
Like you made the decision. But it's a different equation,
isn't it when you just step out onto the footpath
and whooh, there goes a cycle a little scooter really fast.
So I love the scooters and I think they're part
of our world now and we have to But I
just can't figure out how do we get these things
to be safe on them, because the solution, obviously is

(08:46):
that you say to them, look, if you're on a
cycle way, if you're on a footpath where people are walking,
you can go no faster than ten k's an hour
if there are people, which is a fine thing to say,
but I mean, these are kids, right. The majority of
people riding scooters nowadays, like twe twenty five whatever. They
don't think. They just go whoo yeah fun. So you
can't really and you can't have policemen standing the gang

(09:06):
to fasked nay, So practically, what is the solution? And
I don't know that there is one? And this is
what bothers me, And clearly there is a one, because
Jackson couldn't give us one anyway. Just hope that these
cans just go a bit slower sometimes. Anyway, I say,
who texts coming in? And that will come back to
that in a minute. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
It's the Heather Do Busy All and Drive Full Show
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Speaker 2 (09:34):
Heather Easy fix for the e scooters? Make them illegal
on roads or footpaths like the UK. They aren't a necessity.
You can't that people love them. People love them, Heather.
We were doing just fine before the scooters, weren't we.
People were getting a bit of exercise walking as well.
I've never been knocked unconscious on the path by someone
walking past me. Fair point. Nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Good sport with tab multis fast easy and more codes
Sorry eighteen bit Responsibility's a.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Pine sports talk Hoosters with me, Hey, Pioney.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Heather Oh may mate.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I went to bed at halftime. I thought, I can't
handle this anymore.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
So you thought we won ten seven?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, I could see it coming. I could see no. Actually,
can I tell you the truth. It was delayed because
of the Warriors, and so I was getting the phone
updates and I already knew. I already knew what was happening.
So I went to bed at halftime. So it was yeah,
so it wasn't really my half. It was my halftime,
but it wasn't everybody else's halftime. But no, I couldn't
watch it finished. I thought, I can't watch this. This
is terrible. What happened?

Speaker 8 (10:29):
Well, I mean what happened. Indeed, we had a lot
of calls on it yesterday on the show, and I'm
not sure we really came to any conclusion, any general conclusion.
There were so many places to look right set peace,
the aerial ball, lack of attack, guys giving up seemingly
near the end. There was so much to unpack. And

(10:52):
in many ways that's the difficulty here. If it was
one thing, if it was just the line out, or
just the scrub, or just the fact that they can't
catch the ball when it's kicked up in the air
to them, then they can focus on that and zoom
in on that and fix it. But they've got twelve
days now to fix a bunch of stuff, including their
own confidence ahead of the Bledislow Cup game against the
Wallabes at Eden Park on Saturday week. So there's there's
a bit to do, a bit to do for Razor

(11:12):
and his team.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Did you read Gregor Paul's piece?

Speaker 8 (11:15):
I did, yes, and as always I love reading Gregor.
He's very incisive. I think he drew a bit of
a long bow, you know, comparing rugby to people leaving
and going living in Australia. But that's a side issue.
I think he's right about the consistency.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So he's rugby is just one more part of New
Zealand in decline, one more finger roding while everyone deludes
themselves otherwise. Tell me he's wrong, No, he is wrong.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
Wrong, can't you can't look.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm going to make a case to you that he's right,
because what's happened is you've got You've got all of
these other squads allowing their players to play overseas and
be selected from overseas. They're playing in fantastic competitions. Meanwhile,
here we are playing stink super rugby against the Aussies
who suck and the Archies who are like okay most
of the time, with't even part of it anymore. So
it's just us in the stinky Aussies if it doesn't decline.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
But does that mean so, does that mean that that
rugby is a part of our society that is in
decline along with things like, you know, people leaving our shores,
fewer jobs, all these sorts of things.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
But those are real life things.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Those are real life things.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Just a sport.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
It ain't real life, Heather, It.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Ain't real real life. It's happening. There's a real ball
in real fifteen people touching that ball.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Yeah, but we're not out of are care and cancer,
are we?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
You know? It's rugby?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Stop it, stop it. You're accepting it. The argument I
think he's trying to make is that we can see
it falling apart, but we're pretending it isn't right. Actually,
what I should do is go, yeah, rugby, the way
that we're doing it in this country is starting to
become a bit shite and maybe we need to make
some changes.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
Well, I don't think anybody's pretending it's not happening. After
Saturday Night. The out pouring on social media that I've
seen is certainly certainly not people turning a blind eye
or just accepting that it's okay. I think we have
every right to demand excellence from our all blacks, and
I think that's what people are doing. Yeah, look, you know,
we can go back and forth on Gregor's piece. I
think the most important thing is that they put it

(13:07):
right before the splitter slow cup goes head.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Saying I suspect what he Maybe I'm reading what I
want to read into it, but it is a bigger
problem than just the all blacks, right, If you serve
them up a selection of players who are not playing
in a great competition, then you are not going to
get great players.

Speaker 8 (13:23):
Sure, no, that is a valid point. If that is
the point that he's making. I still think Super Rugby
has a lot going for it. But South Africa have
a lot of players who don't play in South Africa.
They play in Japan. In fact, I think I saw
twenty eight of the forty three points on Saturday night
was scored by Japanese based players, so there's a little.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Thing for you.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
Look, it's probably going to open up that argument again hither,
isn't it? But then again you think to yourself, Okay,
at the moment, who's oversus? Who would have back? I
know it's a different argument, but yeah, so maybe we do.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Richie Moonger, Aaron Worth, Aaron.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Parent's, Aaron's he's like thirty seven years.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Don't tell me he's better that, he's not better than that.
The others who are trying to find that position.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
Well, I think Cameroy Gad coming back will be a
big post.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Anyway, there would go. Gregor Paul started something. Piney appreciate it.
Thank you, Jason pine Sports talk Hoast by the way,
he had Piney was doing talkback after the game. He
had a call from Val This is what she said.

Speaker 9 (14:18):
The coaching to me.

Speaker 10 (14:20):
I say, bring on, Nolan tra give us some time
before the bleeder slide cap. For God's sake, someone's got
to do something this.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Class right seeing Nolane and she'll sort them out. Four
twenty four on your.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car
on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with
One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks,
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's coming out twenty seven pass fall list and the
government's decided it's going to investigate what's going on at
eden Park and see whether they need to allow more
the eden Park to be used more.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
Look if there are regulatory settings being generated by local
government that actually are getting in the way of us
secure economic activity and growth, those are things that we're
up for making sure that we make it as easy
as possible.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
So this is at the post cabinet press conference, this
is what the Tourism Minister Louise Upston had to say.

Speaker 11 (15:09):
We want to maximize the flexibility that we have at
eden Park. So it's four concerts, it's for sporting events,
it's for exposed festival shows, all sorts of things to
ensure that we're bringing more visitors and more economic activity
to Auckland down across the country.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Are Louise Upstom is going to be with us after
five o'clock on that. I'm going to rain you through
what when I get a chance, what Eden Park is
limited to at the moment and what you know, presumably
what they're going to lift off it in terms of
the rules. Here's an argument for the e scooters. Heather
speed limit the scooters, like cars, are in a shared zone.
If the scooters are limited to walking pace, people might
walk healthier living. Maybe there's an argument to be made

(15:48):
for that. Jackson from Flamingo was saying that they're limited
to going twenty five k's an hour. Maybe drop that
a little bit, back drop it down to fifteen or
something like that, because that's not going to hurt a
pedestrian as much. I don't know. Maybe that's the solution.
News is next.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's Heather d for c Ellen Drive with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, Auntie Helen's going to get upset, Well, yeah, this
is obviously ree Eden Park. Auntie Helen might get upset.
But I've been told that Auntie Helen doesn't spend that
much time in Mount Eden now anyway, So it's moot
points now, it doesn't really matter. Oliver Peterson's going to
be us out of Australia soon and Barry Souper standing
by in ten minutes on politics. The Emmys were on today.

(16:43):
By the way, we're going to get you across everything.
The most important thing to know, I reckon is the
cutest news, which as we mate, who was the little
boy in adolescence what's his name? Owen Cooper has won
the Emmy for Best Supporting Actor. That makes him the
youngest Emmy winner ever because I think he's about fifteen
year years old. Rita Aura looked great. She came in
a lemon dress with white trim, very low plunging, also

(17:07):
very high split, so you just saw a lot of
that and that was great because she's got a fantastic body. Also,
Amy Eyes really gutted about this. Amy lou Wood, who's
the fun one with the teeth from White Lotus, didn't
look great at all. She had a terrible dress on.
It was sort of like a rose color and it
was creased and it was not flattering at all. There
was some some bird called Jenna or Taga who turned

(17:30):
up just covered in jewels in her face, done up
like Wednesday Adams. So it was a bit hit and
miss on the outfits. But we'll get you across all
the detail of who won what later on. Right now,
it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's the world wires on News dogs, it'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Romania says a Russian drone has breached its airspace. It's
the second NATO country in less than a week to
detect a breach, after three drones were shot down in
Poland last week. NATO Secretary Secretary General said.

Speaker 12 (17:54):
This They found every enginel of nature territory, every angel
charity urging to alis.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
It was reckless, it was unacceptable.

Speaker 12 (18:03):
These are Russian girls and it is extremely sharef what
happens last Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, So, as I just told you, history has been
made at the Emmys this afternoon because Owen Cooper is
the youngest person ever to win the Lead Actor in
a Drama Series for his partner Adolescence he was for.
He seemed more impressed by meeting his idol, Jake Gillenholl.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Though it was one of the best days of my life.

Speaker 14 (18:24):
Really.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
I was talking about him and then he came up
behind me.

Speaker 15 (18:27):
Soul.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
It was just mind.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And finally a Nigerian chef tried to make the world's
largest jolla rice. Now we are not feting a record,
we have clainting one because this is something that has
never been done before. So figuring all of that out,
getting the right team of people together. The invented felt
about eight months to plant. Apparently it's like a tomato dish.
It had four thousand kilos of rice, five hundred cartons

(18:54):
of tomato paste and six hundred kilos of onions. But
as it was lifted to be wide, the pot broke,
so the true amount couldn't actually be recorded. Luckily and
remarkably it didn't.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oliver Peterson sixty our Perth Live presenters with us ALI
yet ahead. So the spend on UCAST has gone up.

Speaker 16 (19:19):
Yeah, twelve billion dollars announced by the Prime Minister Anthony
Alberniezi while he was here in Perth yesterday. This is
around creating a shipbuilding facility, a defense hub in a
suburb called Henderson, which is about an hour south of Perth. Now,
this is also where they are planning the maintenance of
those submarines once they have been purchased. And he's made
that big announcement before he has jetted off to Port Moresby.

(19:41):
He's currently, as you and I speak right now, header
on his way to Papia, New Guinea to celebrate the
fiftieth anniversary of P and g's independence. When that wraps
up on Wednesday, he will continue to fly to New York,
where he is hoping to obviously convince the US President
Donald Trump that UCUST will go ahead. He is refusing
to confirm either or not he will get the ear

(20:01):
of President Trump while he is in the United States,
but that is his plan. So let's hope they can
finally have a face to face conversation.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Not looking good for the coalition?

Speaker 8 (20:10):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh awful?

Speaker 16 (20:12):
Like these are the worst ever primary vote statistics that
have been released by Newspoll ever, Like this is absolutely shocking.
It's now down to just twenty seven percent the coalition.
The labor result is fifty eight percent on that two
party question. Susan Lee needs to turn this ship around
quick smart. She's going to be delivering her first economic
addresses the opposition leader. And why I say that he

(20:33):
is quick smart, because these numbers are going to send
the Opposition to the irrelevancy bin for the rest of
their lives. Like that, that is how crucial this is
at the moment. And we know what a week she
had having to dump just into price last week. From
her front bench. This is just agitating the conservative side
of her party. So if she doesn't pull a rabbit

(20:53):
out of the hat in his economic speech and promise
all Australians a million dollars each, she's cactus. She's cactus
as she yes, yeah, but she is like I realize
she's probably a benchwarmer at the moment, but you can't
drift for this long. I know it's it's you know,
still two and a half years till the next federal election.
But the opposition stand for nothing, Heather, absolutely nothing. They

(21:17):
have no policies on anything. They're just fighting amongst themselves.
They are showing themselves to be a complete and utter
rabble and that will not be recoverable at all to
be in a competitive in a competitive position when they
go to the federal election.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
That's a fair point, Pauline Hanson. So is your thesis
that she's becoming Australia's Nigel Farage.

Speaker 16 (21:38):
And if you look at the polls, she's now just
surged one nation is now surged above the Greens, so
she's up to thirteen percent. She hasn't got much further
to go before she knocks off the coalition. Now that
that if that isn't a warning sign to the National
Party in the Liberal Party that they are going to
have their pants pulled down by Pauline Hanson and her party.
And she's trying to recruit your seat a price to one.

(22:00):
I don't think that'll happen. I don't think she will
be successful. But there is such growing unrest very quickly
in this country. And look at what Farage is doing
in the UK. He's aheading the polls. He's been talking
about migration over there for god knows how long. We've
got the same issues here in Australia at the moment
that the Coalition are just happy to ignore. So watch
the surge of Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I'll be blunt.

Speaker 16 (22:22):
She's never been able to recruit anybody else into her
party who's any good. So it's just Pauline Hanson and
that is it. But things are changing in this country rapidly,
mark my words.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, brilliant. Hey Ollie, it's always good to talk to you.
Thank you, mate. Oliver Peterson six pr Per Live presenter.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Ever do for see Alan Heither.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
She looked like Wednsday Adams because she is Wednsday Adams,
Thank you, Phil. I do love when the young people
listen and then text. Although I suspect Fellers not a
young person's name. I feel like Phila might be around
about my age, just but giving me some infoe. So
I appreciate that because I do not watch the Adams
Family hither. I was driving at the time, but I
thought you interview with the East scooter guy was quite
rude and not the way someone in business should be treated.

(23:00):
I'm really not sure why you got him on if
you weren't going to let him talk and talk over him,
just my opinion. Can I appreciate that that's a fair
point to make. I was I was rude, and I
knew I was rude, but I was rude because what
happened as I got frustrated, right, I just got what
happened is we wanted Jackson from from Lingo Scooters to
come on and have a chat to us about scooters.
But Jackson obviously thought this was his opportunity to turn

(23:21):
up and just give us some lines. Like he'd sat
down and he'd he's very good at it.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Wasn't.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
He got his lines out and he was like, these
are the lines I'm going to give Heather, but I
wasn't in the mood for it today. I just am
not in the mood for lines. I want answers. I
wanted to do because there's a conundrum, and I thought,
but my problem is what happened was Jackson didn't appreciate
how much I've thought about this and got frustrated by
and I wanted an answer, and Jackson didn't have an answer.
He just had the lines. And then I just got

(23:46):
rude and I apologized for that. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm under the weather today. I reckon. I'm cruising out
about a six and a half to a seven. As
you can tell from the the sex work of voice
that I've got going on at the minute. I've been
out there smoking too many duurries and I haven't. But
that's the mood I'm in. So jan Jackson was the
first up, so he copped it. Anyway, maybe we've got

(24:07):
it out of our system. Sorry Jackson, next time, come
and answer some questions. Don't give me your lines anyway. Listen,
if you thought that the twenty four to seven visiting
policy was a bit nutty, what about when Nardine from
the Health New Zealand Nursing Team was on with Kerrie today.

(24:28):
That's where it reached epic. That was the absolute apex
of nattiness, though it wasn't it. So Nardine is Nardine Gray,
and she's the Health New Zealand National Chief Nurse and
this was what she tried to sell Kerry as the
reason for why they were letting people in twenty four
to seven.

Speaker 17 (24:43):
The Patient and Finance Support Policy that we're putting in place,
actually it responds and guides principles that are actually impaled
her and our obligations under to the ty or White Tuggy.
It's consistent with our tekong A best practice and actually
it's part of the code of patients to have support.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's right, it's the trait a. They did it because
of the treaty because I don't know, you've probably not
read far enough down the treaty. But if you get
past the first three articles, what you'll see is Article
four actually says hospitals must be available to be visited
twenty four to seven. So they were just doing the rights. Well,
come off at Nardine, whatever geez I mean? If Jackson
thought he copped it from me at four o'clock, imagine

(25:23):
if I had to deal with Nardine earlier today, geez,
I would have been on fire. They would have had
to put me in a cold bath just to calm
me down. What a stupid thing to say, accord.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
To to politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Certain very sober senior political correspondence with us, Hey Barry,
Good afternoon, Heather. So the Eden Park thing is probably
a predetermined outcome, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (25:44):
Well, it's a foregone conclusion essentially because the new regulations
under the IRMA, which is what they've now introduced to
speed up the process. Essentially it removes or modifies precision
provisions in the RMA which negatively impact economic growth and

(26:05):
development or employment. Now that means that if you open
up Eden Park to everything, concerts, I mean they're having
a big motor show there very shortly, monster tracks there shortly,
Yeah to park. But that really is what the government

(26:25):
wants to see here if you listen to the Prime Minister.
The result of that investigation it will be now carried
out by Chris Bishop, is a foregone conclusion.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
We formally launched what very formal language and investigation that
the report is generated. There is a consultation, conversation obviously
with allland Council in this case and residents in the public.
But ultimately it gives us powers to say, if this
is an event that's in the regional it's going to
advance regional economic growth and opportunity, it's going to advance
national economic growth and opportunity. Those are things that we've

(26:56):
got to say yes to.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
As I keep saying, yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
That's all in the act.

Speaker 15 (27:00):
And just in case you're left in any doubt about
that here about Eden Park being open up, have listened
to the Tourism Minister Louise Upston.

Speaker 11 (27:08):
One of the big frustrations that I've heard from Eden
Park is not just about concerts, but about festivals, about
other shows, about kind of unusual expos that they could
potentially hold there. If you look at conferences, to have
a restriction of two thousand people is ridiculous when we
have the capacity to host more. We want to maximize
the flexibility that we have at eden Park. So it's

(27:31):
for concerts, it's for sporting events, it's for exposed festival shows,
all sorts of things to ensure that we're bringing more
visitors and more economic activity. To Auckland and across the country.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Why have an investigation? Just go ahead?

Speaker 15 (27:47):
But then I guess you've got to say that the
public are having their say. But I'll tell you what
if those that live in and around, not in but
around Eden Park are unhappy about this, they all would
have known none that they were living near a big
stadium because it was built in nineteen fourteen.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Be fair to them, Be fair to them. They didn't
buy it with twelve concerts and monster trucks.

Speaker 15 (28:12):
Well, you know, you buy next to a stadium, I mean,
you know, unless you brought thirty years ago. You know, honestly,
I think you can complain there will be more noise.
But sorry, it's like buying a house next to a
railway station.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
You know you've got yourself to blame.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Okay, what did you make of the priests and various
other clergy chaining themselves to the electricals?

Speaker 18 (28:34):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Quite incredible.

Speaker 15 (28:35):
Really, I was always brought up saying or being told,
religion and politics don't mix.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
They certainly don't mix here. But you know you've.

Speaker 15 (28:44):
Nikola Willis's electorate office in Wellington. They say they're going
to occupy it all night. In the chain to the
place at the moment. Some have been trespassed in Simeon
Brown's office in Auckland, but Wellington they're there for the night.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
And why haven't they been trespassed in the Wall's office. Well,
I'm not sure they're outside her office, I see.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
So I guess it's a bit more difficult.

Speaker 15 (29:05):
So they're going to be sitting out the night in
their clerical collus, no doubt preaching the good word.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Wow, okay, listen, what are the concerns around the citizens arrests.

Speaker 15 (29:15):
Well, the police have given their view of it, and
it's a view that I in fact raised right at
the time that people that afford a citizens' arrest, that's retailers,
They could put themselves in harm's way. And that was
the thing that concerned me. If you give the citizen

(29:36):
too much power to withhold somebody, to lock them in
a storage room or something like that, you really are
buying something of a fight. The police are concerned about that,
and I think they've got every reason to be concerned.
But nevertheless it's going ahead and there seems to be
little they can do about it.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Hold on, I'm very cynical about this. I think the
cops are only concerned because the minute you start citizens
arresting all way over there, here's looking your stuff, they
have to come. Well, whereas if old mate was just
looking him leaving it, they wouldn't have to come. And
they're so thin stretched.

Speaker 15 (30:08):
Yeah, but the thing is, as the police say that
when they go and they know, when they arrest somebody,
they've got the backup information and the evidence to make
a charge stick. If you're a citizen saying holding somebody,
you know, whether the police have to arrive, there's a
great difficulty for them. And then I think you know
it really is that there are a lot of flaws

(30:28):
in this and we've always had citizens arrest, but not to.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
This extent or not in certain hours vary.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Well, not between nine pm and six am.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Okay, thank you very much, Barris so for seeing your
political correspondence eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 13 (30:46):
Breakfast Prime Minister crystop ba lacient is whether us, speaking
of protests, who decides in this country to close the
bridge when people want to walk across it in protest?

Speaker 9 (30:54):
Yeah, like I said, that's an Zata decision.

Speaker 13 (30:56):
It is but you know the person in their.

Speaker 15 (31:00):
Allowed to do that.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, I don't know, but that's the decort.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
You mean, you're the prime minister of this country. How
is it that somebody goes, oh, yeah, we'll just close
a bridge.

Speaker 9 (31:06):
Yeah, I mean we're in an inconvenience to people.

Speaker 13 (31:08):
Should there be something done about that? If we can't
trust the MCTA and the police to make sensible decisions,
should you step in and go here are some rules
that you need to adhere to.

Speaker 9 (31:15):
Yeah, we can have a look at it, but there's
enough other places that people can protest, and we want
people to be able to feel free to do so.

Speaker 13 (31:21):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk zed B four away.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
From five listen Very Good Peace on the spin off
today with the headline Tom Phillips, Clark, Gayford and the
Rumors that Won't Go Away. It's a piece by Duncan
Grieve and it argues that authorities are in a little
bit of a pickle now because they're not coming out
and saying that the rumors aren't true when they have
done that in the past. And the point that Duncan
makes is that you had the Clark Gayford rumor, remember,
and then the police issued a statement just took you know,

(31:51):
basically took it upon themselves to put out a statement saying, listen,
these rumors going around about Clark Gaviord, they're not true.
And then the same thing persisted during COVID where we
had rumor about the hookers visiting the MiQ and that's
why we're having outbreaks, and they came out they said
that's not true. And then you had the rumor about
the sex workers going up north, and then to bet all,
somebody came out and said, oh, that's not true. And
so you had all of these rumors, you know, being

(32:13):
these these authorities proactively saying the rumors aren't true. So
Duncan's point is he says, it's true that our institution
or reaction to prior episodes of rumors flying on social
media has put authorities in a very awkward position. Here
by persistently issuing denials, we have created an expectation that
we will be told when something isn't true. If we're
not told by implication, we're much more inclined to believe it.

(32:35):
I reached out to New Zealand Police on Friday to
ask under what circumstances they issue comment rejecting online speculation
and for any documentation that existed to frame up such
a decision at time of publication. I have received neither
acknowledgment nor reply. So see how that goes. I don't
think we'll see how that goes. Anyway. We're going to
talk next to the New Zealand Nurses Organization, that's the

(32:56):
union about the twenty four to seven visiting policy, and
then after that Louis he's upston about the rules on
eden Park News Talks.

Speaker 18 (33:03):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
It's Heather duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else news talks there be.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Afternoon. Looks like we've got a back down already on
the hospital visiting hours. The plan was to allow twenty
four to seven visiting hours for a designated family member.
This caused outrage and so this afternoon Health New Zealand
has released a statement saying that following feedback, they will
review the plan. Al Diachin from the New Zealand Nurses
Organization is with us. Hey el Hi, do you welcome

(33:42):
this review.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
Yes, I do, you know, like I just wanted to
make it clear anyway that ENDED I know, as not
opposed to obviously finale patients centered care. And you know
there's aspects of the policy that are very positive, positive,
but you know there are some major concerns that we
did have.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
What were your concerns?

Speaker 10 (34:05):
Well, I guess that the main concern is safe staffing.
There has been a precedent and there is seems to
be a creep when it comes to what's called patient watches,
when healthcare assistants who are members of ENDED in OH
care for patients on a close observation process. And the

(34:30):
due to the chronic short staffing of eight c a's
due to you know, successive governments under funding of health,
it means that with these patient watches there are times
when family members are kind of encouraged to help out.
And you know, our concern is that, you know, if

(34:50):
the issue is around helping with a patient that's that's
needing a patient watch, that that needs ECAs that are
trained to be doing that and not expecting the family
to do it for free.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well, this is what they had planned to do, which
is to allow one designated person to be there twenty
four seven if they want to. Is that all that
different from what they do at the moment.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
No, it's not. You know, currently there's no you know,
super restrictive policy. I don't think, you know, like a
lot of places, there's always the opportunity for a family
member to stay with the patient and you know, to
to support them, and that's welcoming. I mean, we think
that's a great thing. But again it's it's the main

(35:34):
concern was that you know, with patient watchers, and this
is where there's there's a close observation by a healthcare
assistant with the patient who might have a delirium or
has dementia, and it's it's essentially to keep them safe
to a system with toileting and with feeding, and to
stop them from interrupting therapies like pulling on catheters or

(35:57):
ov lines and and that kind of thing, and preventing fall.
So it's really about having trained ehcas available to care
for patients that require this service. And so you know,
while it's good to have family support, we shouldn't be
doing it at at the expense of you know, basically

(36:18):
a shortage of HCAs.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh thanks very much. Appreciate you. I'm Al Dijon, Christian
delegate of the n ZnO.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Together.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So it looks like eden Park could be hosting more
events in the future. The government's launching a review into
eden Park's consenting rules to see if they fit for purpose.
This follows the announcement yesterday of the seventy million dollar
boost to your major artists and sporting events to the country.
Louise Upston is the Minister for Tourists. Halouise afternoon, Heather, Now,
why launch an investigation instead of just changing the rules.

Speaker 19 (36:47):
Well, this is a process that's available to us now
because of the recently passed Resource Management Act. So mister
Chris Bishop will lead an investigation to look at the
rules around events at eden Park see if they are
negatively impacting on economic growth. And that's where it gives
us the opportunity to basically investigate the options. They'll be

(37:12):
working with the Council, There'll be consultation with the community
and then Cabinet will make a decision in the new
year as changes are required.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
What do you reckon is the best outcome here? Would
it be that eden Park is basically able to host
any concerts, any sporting events whenever it wants.

Speaker 20 (37:29):
No.

Speaker 19 (37:29):
Look, the intention here is just to make sure that
there is more flexibility for Eden Park. We do know
that some of the rules that exist at the moment
just create real barriers for us being able to attract events.
So the government is investing seventy million dollars into events
and tourism and we don't want to have additional barriers

(37:49):
in the way for New Zealand's largest event stadium.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I mean so at the moment the rules are twelve
shows per year, twenty five nighttime sporting events per year,
only allowed to go until nine thirty except for cricket
which can go until ten, and then conferences can't have
any more than two thousand people. Why don't just take
away all those rules and say to Eden Park, you
guys can do whatever you want, make as much money
and have as much fun as you can.

Speaker 19 (38:12):
Well, I think it's important that we do this investigation.
There are a range of things that need to be
taken into account, but the end result here is that
we want more flexibility for Eden Park, so when they're
going out to attract bids internationally to then be able
to host them at eden Park, which will be fantastic

(38:32):
for Auckland and New Zealand. We don't want them to
fall at the last hurdle because the international coverage needs.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
To mean the.

Speaker 19 (38:43):
Game starts at nine point thirty and at seven thirty
at night. That's a real issue for an event that
eden Park are considering at the moment.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Which one.

Speaker 19 (38:54):
Well, that would be something for eden Park to talk about.

Speaker 7 (38:58):
No one will know.

Speaker 19 (38:59):
Tell us, well, if you think about some of the
codes in one of the games that we lost last weekend,
something to do with league.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, but anyway, if you say, if you say they're
ky boys, Louise, no one will love it.

Speaker 19 (39:15):
They're real problems. They're real problems and what.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
We want to do totally agree. Listen, thank you so much.

Speaker 19 (39:21):
I just want to give them. We want to give
them flexibility, so the whether they are attracting a fantastic
sports event, whether they are hosting an event and an
exhibition that is quite unlike anything we've had in New
Zealand before, whether it's an add on to a convention
that we're hosting at the ends at ICC for three
thousand people and they want to do a dinner off

(39:42):
site and ven Park makes sense. Listen, we want to
be able to just get on and do the stuff.
We know we'll have a big, big difference to our economy.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Good stuff, Louise, thanks very much, appreciate it, Louis ups
and Tourism ministers. It's the League Prime and I might
come back to that if I get a chouce. The
Prime Minister's hinted today that he is he may in fact,
at some point call an inquiry into the Tom Phillips case.
Now he hasn't said what the inquiry would be into.
He hasn't said who would run the inquiry. All he

(40:11):
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of the All Blacks problem is that they haven't got
the mongrel of the spring Box. John, We're going to
come back to the All Blacks and the spring Box
and all of that disaster. Got to talk about the
Emes because the Emmys were on today. So Strap and

(41:39):
I'm going to give you the rundown on what you
need to know here. So if you've watched the hospital
drama The Pit, you'll know it is epic. But boy,
you don't want to be watching that just before bed,
do you, because that makes you feel very stressed out. However,
it won the big award of the night. It won
Best Drama. The lead actor Noah Wiley, also took home
the Emmy for the Best Actor in a Drama.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
To anybody who's going on shift tonight or coming on
shift tonight, thank you for being in that job.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
This is real now. The other big winner of the
night was Netflix series Adolescence. The star Owen Cooper became
the youngest male actor to ever win an Emmy at
age fifteen. He even got a hug from the presenter
Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
Honestly, when I started these drama classes a couple of years,
buckets and expects to be even in the United States.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Never mind, eh, Now he's fifteen. She's hot. He's going
to remember that forever. He will remember that forever. Seth
Rogan won the awards for acting, directing, and writing tonight
for his Apple Plus show The Studio, and Kristin Miliotti
won her first Emmy for her role in the Penguin,
and she was really excited.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 21 (42:40):
I love you and I love acting so much.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Stephen Colbert won a standing ovation, as all he won
after the Late Show was canceled a couple of months ago.
He sees the opportunity of being in a room full
of industry execs.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
But while I have your attention, is anyone hiring?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
And of course it wouldn't be a Hollywood Award show
without a bit of the old politics. Javier Bardem wore
a Palestinian kefia.

Speaker 19 (43:07):
Here I am today denouns and the general side in Gasa.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
We asked for our commercial and diplomatic block late block
eight and also sancheons on Israel to stop the general side,
Free Pilostine. Hannah Enbinder Ironminder from the show Hacks said
this after her win for Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
I just want to say, finally, go birds and free Palistine.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Thank you now. The host, Nate Bergazzi, was apparently forgettable
at best. And what really has people talking about the
Emmys is the snubs. Snubs for Kathy Bates, Colin Farrell
and pretty much everyone who was on White Lotus, which
is a bummer, isn't it, because White Lotus was awesome
and all. And by the way, here's a bit of gossip.

(43:55):
Apparently the next White Lotus is going to be filmed
in France. They haven't got a location, they don't know
where and France, but that is the hot That is
the hot rumor going around at the moment. Now, if
you've caught up on the news, there are a group
of Anglican and Catholic priests and pastors who are protesting
at minister's offices. So five of them, Anglicans and a
Catholic are at Nichola Willis's office and they've chained themselves

(44:15):
to each other. We've got a long chain wrapped around
their wrists and then secured with padlocks. And one of
them has secured himself to the door of the office
with what appears to be a bike lock tied around
his waist and then linked to the door handle. So
they're going to be there all night. Simon Brown was
a little bit better. He got rid of his ones.
The cops took out two Anglican priests and two Baptist pastors.
We're going to talk to talk to one of them,

(44:37):
Reverend mel Mackenzie about that she'll be with us after
half past and then Nikola Willis about having them in
the office after six o'clock. Obviously, Heather read the spring box.
No leadership on the paddock, no rallying of his troops. Goodbye, Scott,
you are the weakest link that's from Mozzy. Let's deal

(44:58):
with that very situation next five to twenty one.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Heather dup c Ellen.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Drive with one New Zealand tand the power of satellite
mobile news dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
That'd be all right.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Huddle's going to be with us later on. It's Trishason
and Josephganey. Right now, it's twenty five or four past five. Now,
let's talk about the loss to the box and Mozzy's
text just then. Are we sure that Scott Barrett should
be the captain? This is the thing that I've been
thinking about for the last two weeks watching the games.
Right It's what struck me when I watched the game
at Eden Park and the ceremony for Ardie Savia's one

(45:32):
hundred tests and the fact that the team clearly rallied
not only to defend the Fortress, which I think was
predominantly what they were rallying for, but also they rallied
to give Ardie Savia a fitting win. Watching that happen
and watching the ceremony afterwards, and clearly the love that
the team have for him, Did you not think it?
At any point during that I wonder if that man
should actually be the captain? And then this week I

(45:54):
saw the press conference with Razor and Scott Barrett sitting
next to him, and I had the same thought, but
the mirror of it, which was should that man really
be the captain? It it felt like it just didn't
feel you know what I mean? It just didn't feel
the same. And this is nothing against Scott Barrett, who
clearly comes from a lovely family and seems like a
fun guy, but I can't understand Rays's commitment to him.
There should be no question about a captain's selection, right

(46:16):
There was no question that Richie mccaugh would be the
one named it at number seven. There was no question
that Kiaran Reid would be the one named at number eight.
But is Scott as convincing? Are you sure he's going
to be the one named in his position? Are you
sure that his discipline is good enough to warrant being
the captain or are there too many red cards and
too many yellow cards week in week out that suggests

(46:36):
that maybe when he's under pressure he just crumbles a
little bit. Is he the right leader on field when
the team starts falling behind, Given the fact that his
record as a captain has largely been with the formidable Crusaders,
has he actually had enough losses and enough knocks in
his career to know what to do when your team
is on the underside and absolutely on track to lose
the game and you need to turn it around, You

(46:58):
need to get a win under your belt. Because is
that actually what happened? What went wrong on Saturday night
when they started losing and you saw it on the field,
they just all gave up at a point? Did they
all give up because their captain had given up? Now
there is no argument that. Rather, there is an argument
that the coaches should come under scrutiny first before the captain,
And maybe that is the correct order of things. And frankly,

(47:19):
I don't know enough about the assistant coaches to really
have an opinion one way or the other. But I
think when it comes to the captain. Many of us
have already come to the right conclusion and the same
conclusion here, which is that they may have the wrong captain.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Heather do for see Alan, this is absolutely.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
The best headline of the day. Zulu king challenges professor
to stick fight. So what has happened is that there
is I don't know if you know much about what
goes on in the politics of South Africa, but there
is a Zulu king and he's crossed with the professor,
who clearly is not Zulu but is coarser. And it's
not clear why he's crossed with the professor. He hasn't

(47:53):
explained why he's crossed with the professor. But what happened
was that the Zulus had their annual read dance at
the new Royal Palace and the king stood up and
made a speech and said he was angry with his
professor and he wanted a stick fight. And the professor
said in response that he thinks that this is a
joke from the king, but just in case, he's lodged
a formal complaint with the police, which does not at
all feel like he thinks it's a joke. Anyway, it's

(48:15):
possible that why the King is cross is because the
professor has said that he has basically criticized him for
building a new palace. He said he shouldn't have moved
into this new palace because he'd just spent one hundred
and fifty two million rand, which is as big as
it sounds, one hundred and fifty two million rand on
renovating the old palace, so maybe he should have stayed there. Anyway.
The sixty four four year old professor has declined the

(48:36):
invitation to do stick fighting because he hasn't done any
stick fighting since he was a teenager, and he thinks
that the Zulu king's going to win Lord. Isn't that
one of those things where you didn't know anything about
anything about that until you read that headline and goes
and you go click, I must know more about this.
Interesting times, all right, let's talk to the priest. Next
News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
There'd be.

Speaker 20 (49:13):
Have here.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
There wasn't Ardie Savia on the field on Saturday. All
very well going at Barrett, but there were plenty of
leaders on that field that failed to react, Tony, that's
a fair point that you make as well. Huddle standing
by to have a chat to us right now, twenty
five away from six now. Today, Cabinet apparently decided the
government's position on recognizing your state of Palestine. Meanwhile, a
number of priests and pastors protested by sitting in Minister's

(49:36):
electorate officers. Reverend mel mackenzie is the vicarates and Anne's
Anglican parish in Nikola Willis's electorate, and she's currently chained
apparently to Nichola's electorate office. Mel are you there?

Speaker 18 (49:47):
I am hello? Thank you here?

Speaker 22 (49:49):
Then?

Speaker 18 (49:49):
Yeah, thank you?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Are you still chained?

Speaker 18 (49:53):
I am yeah, I'm chained with some colleagues of mine,
fellow Anglican press, and we've had a Catholic press from
the electorate with us today as well.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Is the Catholic priest still there?

Speaker 18 (50:05):
He had to attend a funeral by about four o'clock,
so we've released him.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah all right, So what are you Are you chained
to the door? Is that what's going on?

Speaker 15 (50:15):
Uh?

Speaker 18 (50:16):
We are we chained to the door. For us, We're
really focused on like one thing in particular, which is
trying to seek an urgent timeline from the government for
implementing sections and our key there's really our key focus
for doing this. We would love it off the back
of the large scale process we saw on the weekend

(50:40):
Tammocky Maikodos and the rolling demonstrations that are happening around
New Zealand. We feel like these are all moved and
noises a mode of New Zealanders who care deeply about this.
So we're really deeply speaking action now from the government
to make a commitment that lines up with you know
what the values people are holding and wanting to see

(51:02):
uh see sanctions placed by the New Zealand government on Israel.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Why did you decide that you needed to change yourself
to an electorate office.

Speaker 18 (51:10):
Well, it's actually out of frustration really well with the
international community have been calling, making many many calls, lots
of words, uh and now we just feel like sanctions
actually are what speaks louder than words when where the
government's been uh dragging the chain on this so to speak,

(51:31):
which is a bit of a pun. But we want
to see them act and just make a commitment to
the time frame that they will introduce sanctions into Parladance.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
How long are you to stay there?

Speaker 18 (51:44):
Oh, look, we were prepared to start overnight. We're just
so focused on the suffering that's happening in Gaza. We're
praying by sort of doing what Anglican and Catholic priests do,
which is to pray, pray and fast, and we're fasting
from liquid and from also from food in solidarity with
the people of Palestine in particular. And yeah, we recognized

(52:07):
also violence done, you know, in the hostages being held,
so so for us, we just devastated by the level
of violence that's securing and wanting to stand with them. Yeah,
and what we're doing, so we'll stay overnight. Well yeah,
and just want to keep putting that to the government.

(52:29):
Will they hear the mood of New Zealanders and put
that time friend on?

Speaker 2 (52:33):
All right, mal thanks very much for your time. Reverend
mel mackenzie, who is the vicarates and Anne's Anglican parish.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
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Speaker 2 (52:45):
Right, it's twenty one away from six in the huddle
this evening. Trishurson, Sharston willis pr and Joe SPEERGANI, CEO
of Child Fund, Hello you too, Hello, Hello Trish. What
do you think of the twenty four hour visiting policy
at the hospitals?

Speaker 22 (52:57):
I thought it sounded like a recipe for disaster. Try
going into a hospital and if you're a patient in
getting sleep overnight as is, think about what's already happening
in our eds, the level of aggression that they're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
If you've got people going.

Speaker 22 (53:17):
In and out at all times of the day and night,
imagine the increased infection risk. I just I didn't see
the need for this to be made as a blanket statement.
In my experience of having taken kids to the hospital
over the last you know, twenty five years, parents are
always welcome to stay with kids, or there's a chair

(53:37):
put up so you can sleep beside them, And I
just felt for stuff in hospitals, this would have felt
like a just an abseuci mozzle.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I mean, from what I can understand, Josie, it's not
even that different to what they were doing already, right,
they already have the discretion to allow this. They just
kind of maybe I guess, made it like publicized it exactly.

Speaker 21 (54:00):
That's been my experience. So I've had like Utrisha, I've
had kids in hospital where I've stayed overnight, not just
for one night, but sometimes for over a week. I've
recently had my mum in hospital. I could have we
were basically there till two am on first night she
was in hospital, and you're kind of, you know, given
a place to lie down. And also I've got extended
family Finonga who are in the hospital who culturally, you know,

(54:24):
far Noo stays with someone really sick or if they're
dying or they're critical, and on the whole that's accommodated
for right, You've got a far No room where you know,
family can kind of gather, so you haven't got everybody
in the same shared ward, and you've always got the
chance for someone to sleep on the lazy boy next
to you. So I think they could do more to

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make that easier for families that need to do that.
But you're absolutely right, Heather, I mean, this was something
that's already happening. I don't know how they keep mucking
up the comms on this. It's a bag stalinist. You know,
It's like you feel like they use language that you
know they don't talk like humans. So they talk about
people on their healing journey, and I'm thinking, do you

(55:05):
mean I'm you know, and I can I not go
on that journey? Do I have a choice? So they're
sort of talkless jargon e you know, bubbledygook, and then
they relate everything to to ta tierty. You're right to
the treaty, and yes there is a cultural element. Mary
families and Pacifica families want to be around their their sick.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
No, no, come off with Josie. The communities most likely,
the community is most likely to need this, a new
migrant communities who can't speak English. That's actually who there
is that.

Speaker 21 (55:41):
You don't need to make it a treaty issue. It's
just a human issue, and there are cultural issues and
people want to you know, whether you're Indian or Mary,
they might want to be with their family. So I think,
as you say, it's already happening anyway, and somehow they've
managed to make this communications mess.

Speaker 22 (55:58):
I think the key message here is that care needs company,
but not a party at two am.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
No totally, Hey, how did they buse this up so badly?

Speaker 22 (56:07):
I think it's just completely over egging the pudding and
it's when inclusivity and you know, combaya just goes completely
off the rails and becomes utterly impractical.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
And what I'd like to know if there is a
point at and an inflection point at which you have
so many comm staff that they actually start working against themselves,
like maximum best is thirty and then after that it's
actually it starts going negatively.

Speaker 22 (56:31):
Well probably I think it's when words get in the
way of actually, what is it we're trying to solve here?
And to me, this red light there wasn't a clear
problem definition yep, exactly.

Speaker 21 (56:41):
And what it is is they often government departments they
think that coms are there to solve substantive problems. So
they put it on the comms team to come up
with some spin and gobbedygooky language and you know, talk
about scaffolding of learning your in education and healing journeys
and you're in health and so they just looking to
comms to smother it with jargon to try and get

(57:04):
out of a substantive problem that really didn't exist. People
are staying twenty four hours if they.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Need to totally. Now, what do you think, Trisha, am
I being unfair? Maybe saying we need to change a captain.
I don't want to kick a man while he's down.

Speaker 22 (57:19):
Well, it's always what happens right with Rugback cracks me
up because it's always everyone sticks the slipper in on Monday.

Speaker 7 (57:26):
We're all.

Speaker 22 (57:29):
We're all great armchair coaches, aren't we, and not you know,
unfair or not.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
But tell me that hasn't occurred. Do you haven't you
thought it should be Ardie?

Speaker 22 (57:38):
It's always the coach and the captain.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I do.

Speaker 22 (57:41):
I am a big fan of Artie and I think
you're right, there's a lot of love for him. But
maybe it's similar to in politics where there may be
politicians who we think are fantastic as ministers and everyone
thinks they're awesome, but they're not made to be the
prime minister. Might be similar with the all blacks. That's
my very crue Layman assessment.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Josie.

Speaker 21 (58:04):
Yeah, I was just thinking if Piney doesn't know who
to blame for the terrible disasters.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Who knows who to blame because he is a lovely
man and he doesn't want to blame anyone.

Speaker 21 (58:16):
He doesn't want to blame anyone. But I do feel
that the country is grieving and that they can be
spared mean, Trish and our analysis of the game. But
having said that, I'm just going to give you my
analysis that yes, I absolutely think that Ardie Savier should
be captain. I traveled with him on a plane recently.
He's just the most charming, lovely person in real life
as well as on and on the and on the field.

(58:37):
He's amazing and he has that lovely combination that Richie
McCall had of leadership and also toughness and takes no prisoners.
But one thing my husband did say, and he does
know what he's talking about, unlike me, he said he
was very surprised that the forwards coach turned up to
work today.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Oh that's all astray. Oh okay, that interesting.

Speaker 18 (58:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
All right, we'll take a break, come back to you
and just to take order to.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the global
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Speaker 2 (59:07):
Write you're back with a huddle Trisha and Josie. Josie,
what do you think about this inquiry into Eden Park? Why?
What what I'm trying to understand is why do you
launch an investigation instead of just changing the rules that
you clearly know you want to change.

Speaker 21 (59:19):
Also, is this really a post cabinet announcement. I mean
it feels to me like they're scrambling on a Monday
to find something to announce that makes us feel like.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Not for the first time, not for the first time,
not for the first time.

Speaker 21 (59:31):
And it just seems to me if you're announcing, you know,
we hope that Taylor Swift arrives on a honeymoon, and
we hope we get more concerts. And I heard Louis
up and say something like, we look, we look forward
to more unusual expos at Eden Park if we if
we change these rules, And I'm thinking, is that what
does that mean? For a start, I don't know fossils
from Madagascar or something. I know what an unusual expo is.

(59:54):
But it's also just you know, this is this is
why people have lost confidence at the moment. They feel like,
you know, this is not an economic growth plan. You know,
Singapore didn't come out and announce more concerts when they
decided they've become you know, the finance and farmer capital
of the South Pacific. Taiwan didn't announce more concerts when

(01:00:14):
they and didn't, by accident, become the center of the
world for creating chips and making chips. So it just
I think it just feels like people are kind of going,
if this is the best you've got on a Monday
after cabinet, it's not good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I would agree.

Speaker 22 (01:00:32):
I don't buy that you have to announce an investigation
into this. The issues around the unitary Plan, I'm sure
are very well known if you want to dig down
into them. Also, we are now eighteen months into this term.
Now we've got to wait for an investigation. I think
to Josie's point about the focus, it does seem like

(01:00:59):
small if you're talking about kick starting the economy, And
if you were really talking about kickstarting the economy, you
would go back to things like the waterfront stadium for Auckland, So,
you know. So, so I think that there's there is
the difference, And I also think you've got to be
careful about not following the rule.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Do it, be it, say it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:23):
So we're getting a lot of headlines on things, but
you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
A long way down the track to get some runs
on the board. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. All right, now,
jose the e scooters, what do we do about them?

Speaker 21 (01:01:37):
Well, it's not that big a problem. You look at
the numbers. So what about thirteen hundred accidents in five years,
the report said, And we have about ten thousand rides
a day around Auckland. This is just an Auckland. This
is just the rentals, not people with their own scooters.
So if you do the maths on that that it
means that if you've you could basically would fall off
your bike once every thirty five years if you rode ef.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
It's not that scooter.

Speaker 21 (01:02:03):
It is not a big problem. And I actually I
think I have got a solution to this, and I
don't know why we make it so goddamn complicated. Forget
the whole cycle pathway's stuff, which just irritates all of us.
What we should be doing is just expanding the footpaths
and putting and making them double footpaths, which they do
in other parts of the world. So the pedestrians walk
on the inside and the bikes, you know, bikes and

(01:02:25):
scooters go on the outside. Put them all on the footpath.
Because I'm blowed. If I'm ever going to ride a
bike or scooter on a road in New Zealand, you'll
end up dead.

Speaker 22 (01:02:33):
You you will have a literal riot on your hands
in Auckland if there is one more road cone with
one more pathway slash bi cycle way extension, that is
absolutely not going to happen. And slightly off off topic
on this, but just on my own little private rent,
our road has been shut down four times this year

(01:02:54):
and completely road coned. The last time was on Saturday,
which was for some very useful work from victors. I'm
not having a go at them, but what has happened
out the back of that is there is now a
pile of road cones, just orphaned road cones that have
been stacked up outside our house with no view on
who's going to come and collect them or whatever. So

(01:03:15):
my thought on that is I'm going to set them
out in a sort of a debate style format so
any local body candidates can come and use them as
seats for a debate. And I think that would be
a very useful way to get to get those orphan
road cones used.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I love how you've just turned into a chat about
scooters into your personal road cone problem. Well I'm sorry,
but somebody every collect.

Speaker 22 (01:03:40):
Them every time I drive home. I think those road
cones again, where's Brownie when you need them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I know, right, there's there's.

Speaker 21 (01:03:48):
An economic growth plan. I mean, we've got so many
road cones. Apparently they cost about forty dollars each to buy,
and so why don't we just export road cones instead
of invite people for concerts.

Speaker 22 (01:03:57):
That's it's I've got about one thousand bucks sitting outside
of the house.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
So anyone who wants to come, he sus next Monday's announcement.
They've got it. Thank you, guys, appreciate it. Trecious and
Joseph beganni a hud of this evening. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Six, it's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on my Art Radio powered by news Talk ZEBBI.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
The services sector has shrunk again. Shane Soley will get
us across that, winnings with us shortly, and Nikola Willis
is going to be with us after six. Looks like
we're getting tougher on the deportations already. I remember how
Nicola or not Nicola Erica Stanford the other day about
I think this time last week or something like that,
was announcing that she wanted to be able to deport
people who had been here as residents any period like,

(01:04:39):
I think up to twenty years or something like that. Well,
already that we're getting some well I wanted to say
positive traction, but I think we're just getting the news
on this. Actually it looks like the basically what I'm
trying to say, It looks like the signal has been
sent that the guys that the judges have to get
tougher on the deportations because of this particular case. Chapbourn
in India spent his whole adult life here in New Zealand.

(01:04:59):
Came here eighteen to study, went on to get a job,
have a family, had a son. He's being deported after
being convicted of indecent assaults. So that's because he was
granted residency in May twenty seventeen, and because the offense
happened within five years of getting the residency status, he
is liable for deportation. Happened December twenty twenty. He and

(01:05:21):
a woman had been drinking smoking weed. He indecently assaulted her.
Wasn't going to stop. She said, if you don't stop,
I'm going to call somebody. Blah blah blah. So he stopped.
The argument in his favor was that deporting him when
he has a son here who is a New Zealand citizen,
would be incredibly hard on him and his son. But
the judge was not going to be swayed by this
at all and said the child has the love and

(01:05:42):
the care of his mother and her relatives and he
would come to accept them as the immediate family unit.
And so he's being deported because residence in New Zealand
is a privilege and not a right. He's allowed to visit,
but that is the extent of it, and isn't that
kind of welcome. I'm happy to see that you do
some bad stuff here. How'd you go, Heather? I just

(01:06:03):
had a scooter go flying past my house. They were
going faster than the cars, doing fifty k's an hour.
That's from Dennis Heather. Totally a wrong idea to carve
up the pavement. Mission Bay has that and its carnage.
Pedestrians walk everywhere. Thank you. David Nikola willis next Arnie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
The business hour with Heather due for sel and Maz
for insurance investments and the Chiwi Saber.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
You're in good hands. News talks'd be even.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
In coming up in the next hour. I may have
underestimated how much we care about New Zealand peaches being
in what He's cans. We're going to get to that.
Shane Soley on disappointing local and Chinese economic data, one
uses or one New Zealand Brothers, Jason Parris on the
apparently world first outage information and Gavin Gray will be
with us out of the UK's coming up eight pass
six with us now as Nichola willis the Finance Minister

(01:06:51):
Evening Nikola.

Speaker 20 (01:06:52):
Good Evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Do you have an opinion on whether Wati's cans should
have New Zealand peaches in them?

Speaker 20 (01:06:58):
I haven't followed this story. I think it's really a
matter for washes and as long as they're upfront and
transparent with their consumers about it, then it's their business
and a fewer people buy them if they're not key
we then surely they'll take that into account.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Like do you go to the supermarket and pick up
the can, turn around, go no, that's not from New Zealand,
or buy something else?

Speaker 20 (01:07:19):
Well, I have my husband doing most of the supermarket
shopping for our house. Is the honest answer to that question.
We don't buy that many peaches. What I worry about
is whether they've got extra sugar, because I don't want
our kids juicing up on that before school.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah, this is a very big problem speaking of which actually,
because then you're sending them to school hyperactive. For the
teachers who are on strike, Have you got a year twelvel,
year thirteen home today?

Speaker 20 (01:07:45):
Well? I have a year eleven who will So you're
tomorrow home tomorrow. Again, that's disruptive to my husband's life,
our main caregiver, and we'll have to rearrange his life accordingly.
But it's look, it's all of the families who are disrupted,
some of home. It's really difficult to reorganize their lives

(01:08:05):
around that. They're expecting their kids to be at school.
And I've just got one observation, which is we want
to bargain in good faith. You do that at the
bargaining table. You can't do that while you're striking. And
I noticed that teachers never seem to strike in the
school holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Isn't that a surprise. So what she happens to do,
is it going to take time off work or is
he going to work from home and chuck the boy
on the device.

Speaker 20 (01:08:28):
He'll work from home and he'll have to manage the
device use because that will be a strange magnet to
which my son will be drawn undoubtedly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Now, what is this Phillips inquiry that the Prime Minister
was hinting at this morning.

Speaker 20 (01:08:42):
Well, there are naturally a lot of questions around how
the situation was handled over the past four years, and
a range of government agencies involved, not just for police
but obviously oring a Tamadiki and other agencies, and so
the government is taking advice around what an inquiry would
look like to have that whole of gouvern month perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Okay. Will this inquiry also look into whether the police
did the right things?

Speaker 20 (01:09:06):
Well, that will be an aspect of it, I'm sure,
because it's about the way that different agencies have interacted
and engaged and the ultimate decisions that were made.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Will one of the questions be whether the police should
have gone in earlier.

Speaker 20 (01:09:21):
Well, I don't want to get ahead of the terms
of reference because those haven't been set yet, but those
are the sorts of questions that people are asking and
I'm sure that the police are fully expecting to address
those questions anyway. They have their own inquiries underway, but
you would expect that a whole of government inquiry would
consider that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, and we'll just take the place of the IPCA inquiry,
which surely will have to happen anyway.

Speaker 20 (01:09:42):
Yeah, well, that's really important, But of course that's about
the ultimate shootout rather than the wider set of events.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Okay, So the IPCA looks at the shootout, this other
inquiry will look at the whole operation, whether the right
things were done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:09:57):
Look, and I understand that police, in the normal course
of event, review and operation of this magnitude and national significance,
So that would happen anyway. But what the Prime Minister
is looking at is the broader inquiry on the way
all the government agencies involved have come together on this
matter and the consequences of their decision making.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Now, look on the eden Park thing, why don't you guys,
I mean, we all understand that Eden Park is playing
with its arms tied behind its back, right, So why
not instead of launching an investigation and dragging it out
for the next six months or whatever, why don't you
guys change the rules? We know what the rules are.

Speaker 20 (01:10:33):
Well, none of this would be possible if we hadn't
passed law this year which for the first time ever
allows us to get in and modify provisions in local plans.
This is all part of the Resource Management Act, so
we now have that power. What the law requires Minister
Bishop to do is do a proper investigation to demonstrate

(01:10:54):
that this is something that's negatively impacting economic growth, and
then he recommends changes the following the process in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
The more that's right, that's right. What is the game
with you know, what's the goal with the Christians tied
up in your office?

Speaker 20 (01:11:09):
Well, obviously I support the right to protest, but I
would point out that by then going ahead in the
way that they are chaining themselves to the office and
the like, they're just getting in the way of good
people who want to come to that electorate office to
have help with constituent matters. My electorate staff member has
had to work from home. It means he can't meet

(01:11:30):
face to face with people, which is really disruptive and
I don't think positive for their course.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Do do you have to have people there sort of
guarding the place overnight?

Speaker 20 (01:11:40):
I understand that security have been engaged by Parliamentary Services
who take operational responsibility for these matters and security have
been engaging with the police. I also understand the protest
has turned up with muffins this morning, so it was
news to me that they're in fact going to be fasting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Oh I thought, oh, so they weren't like muffins, like
a coreha. It was like muffins for themselves.

Speaker 20 (01:12:01):
Well, I think it was as a core ha. It
was a rooster try and get in the door so
that they could do as they attempted in other offices.
And I have a very onto it electorate agent. Oh
no could see what was brewing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
It's like a fishers and loaves type situation, isn't it?
Except and now we're changed. Okay, now, what have you heard?
What's going on here with takuza Ferris? Because no one
can get hold of the Maori Party to understand why
they can't get on top of them. What are you hearing?

Speaker 20 (01:12:27):
Well, I just think they're in a complete mess. I
mean they'll be seeing the writing on the wall, which
is that when you have members making openly racist statements
and disenfranchising huge numbers of New Zealanders, you don't look
like a party that could ever be in government. And
presumably someone into party, Marty is smart enough to work

(01:12:48):
out that if you can't ever be in government, then
you can't ever really get anything done. So I imagine
they're having an internal war about that. I know that
their whipped last week was pretty upset to have her
whip promoved. I don't know what relationship that has with
all of this. But look, just more entics from the party, MARTI.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Okay, interesting, Now listen, can you explain to me how
you guys racked up a forty four thousand dollar bill
for the Pavlova on the Mountain date?

Speaker 7 (01:13:13):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:13:13):
Look, talking to the Prime Minister's office, I understand that
this was about promoting New Zealand deal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I know what it was about. But listen, listen, let
me just let me come clean with you. Okay. So
I had a look at it, and I see that
you can get a two group private Queenstown charter on
the Chopper for thirteen and a half thousand dollars. Now
I want two choppers because that's what you people had.
So now it's twenty seven thousand dollars. So where's the
other seventeen thousand dollars come from?

Speaker 20 (01:13:39):
Look, I haven't been involved in looking at the costings
of that. I'm sure those are questions which the Prime
Minister's office would happily answer. Basically, this was about showcasing
the best of New Zealand scene predaturism. Provision was there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Wasn't a wasn't that wasn't there was that much media
coverage of me? That's the problem.

Speaker 20 (01:13:58):
Well, an interesting point that's relevant to the overall price
was that provision was made to have journalists come along,
but ultimately the Australian Prime Minister wasn't comfortable with them
being in the chopper, so it ended up being just
for social media, but it did receive wider reporting.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Elbow under the bus.

Speaker 20 (01:14:18):
No, well, I don't think I'm throwing them under the
bus at all. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position
for any leader to take. Is when they want media
accompanying them and when they don't. Doesn't like totally that's
totally their.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Program, Nichola, So are you telling me if I go
to the our Prime Minister's office and say, Nicholas said,
you have to tell me how you racked up this bill,
they will be honest with me.

Speaker 20 (01:14:40):
Well, I think that they'll be able to give you
some sort of a breakdown.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, great, I shall do this. Thank you very much,
appreciate it. Nichola Willis, Finance Ministang good luck for tomorrow
with the boy at Hope. Yeah, let's talk about the
peaches next sixteen past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
News talks be okay on the peaches. One News led
with the peaches. This was their opening story for the bulletin.
With all the things that are going on today, the
Eden Park announcement, all the stuff that's going on. They
opened up with the peacher's story. The peaches story is
that Watties appears to be giving up on Hawk's Bay

(01:15:32):
peaches and they've gone and enoughve told her a whole
bunch of orchardists or whatever that they're not going to
be taking their peaches anymore, and they get it. The
suggestion is they're going to be putting cheaper overseas peaches.
In their cans. I don't know where these peaches are
going to come from, but they're not going to come
from Hawks Bay anyway. I I've we talked about this
earlier today, myself and the German as to whether this
was a thing or not. We decided it wasn't a thing.

(01:15:54):
The German cares about it. She says that she will
go to the supermarket, She'll take a can off, She'll
look at the back the cans, see if it's New
Zealand mad and then you'll buy it or not. I
didn't know people do this. I do not do this thing.
It does not matter to me whether I am so.
This is how tight fisted I am. I am so
not interested in where the fruit comes from. It's just

(01:16:14):
the price point is my motivator when I'm at the supermarket. Anyway.
Apparently I have underestimated how much people care about where
their fruit comes from. Because one news has decided that
in the biggest news bulletin on television that the country watches,
it's the number one story for today that the peaches
and the wat Is cans are not coming from Hawks Bay.

(01:16:34):
You can tell me if they bang on putting that
as the first story or not nineteen ninety two, right now,
it's twenty past six. Now, Shane solely harbor asset management
is with me right now? Hey, Shane, I hear that. Okay,
So the latest economic data suggests we're still going a
bit backwards, are we?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:16:49):
Look the Beings Businesses on Performance of Services next, it
fell to forty seven point five for the month of August,
down from forty eight point nine last month in July.
Now I'm remembering that your below fifty. That means the
activity slide. This August number is actually the eighteenth month
in a row of contraction. So the unicator suggesting the
economy is still contracting in the third quarter recovery struggling

(01:17:11):
to gain momentum, So maybe not enough features are.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Maybe not enough? And what about what about the Chinese
economic data?

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
What's that saying?

Speaker 23 (01:17:20):
Yeah, unfortunately another miss, you know, it wasn't wasn't massive miss,
But it's again a trend where we're seeing the Chinese
economy not really reacting to some of the similars that's
spent announce Studio in the years industrual output for August
it was up five point two percent. That was that's
year on year that was lower than expectation of five
point six. The fixed investment rose half a percent year

(01:17:41):
on year estimate was one and a half and August
resale sales were up three point four percent. Estimate was
three point acts So miss miss mass not surprising. If
we did see some more similars from Chinese authorities. They
have got this GDP target for the full year of
five percent, so their economic growth targets five percent, and
they'll probably try and get there with some stimulus.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Now, what are you expecting from the feed Reserve later
this week?

Speaker 23 (01:18:06):
So yeah, it's a big week for central banks. We've
got four central banks talking this week. The big one,
of course, is the US Federal Reserve. That precision is
out on Thursday morning is zell in time. The current
rate is four point twenty five to four point five
in the USA A range. The market's very confident it's
going to be a zero point twenty five cut to
our four to four point two five range. In fact,

(01:18:27):
ninety three percent probability either of that being priced and
the other seven percent the balance that's actually for our
half a fifty basis point cut. And mister Trump's come
out this morning is Zell in time, and so he's
expecting a big cut. I guess he is in the
seven percent. And when we look at what's happening with
the economy, there is some slowing down and confidence, so
perhaps there is a bit of similars needed. And certainly

(01:18:48):
the other thing we've got to think about is capital
markets have run quite hard in the expectation of right cut,
so there's always the quantum of the move and the
commentary will influence things. Then backing there, we're also got
the Bank of Canada, Bank of England and Bank of
Japan out later this weeek Bank of Canada probably cut
as well, given their economy is being hit by tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, now, a whole bunch of company news here in
New Zealand. What caught your eye?

Speaker 23 (01:19:12):
Yeah, look, it was actually lots of little nuggets today.
Specifica in this is the producer by the cancer detection tests.
They have a little bit of a win one of
the US regulators saying, hey, well, look we're going to
consider covering insurance for some of their tests. Stop price
went up twenty four percent. Long way to go there
in that process, but it's a good step spark some
more changes in the leadership team to get to their

(01:19:33):
FY thirty ambitions and watching didn't really help sparks. She
placed down over one point three percent. Aukland Airport a
bit of an improvement there in traffic. The who are
two percent increase in international passengers in August for the
month and they're actually seeing some bigger aircraft coming in here.
There's a five percent increase in the aircraft that she
price up one percent. Maybe you got a little bit
of a boost from the New Zealand government seventy million

(01:19:54):
events boost, tourism boosts and baby two and then finally
we had literacy g know black cons The August operating
stats were but better than expected higher GFDN or higher
hydro lake production so chip I still down one percent
on the day, so but better in general across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Good Shane, thanks so much for runningus through at Shane
Solly Harbor Asset Management six twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
The Business Hour with Heather dup cl and Mass for
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Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
You're in good hands news talks that'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
What is Peaches will still have Hawks Bay Peaches we're
just buying less from our growers as demand in our market,
which is Australia and New Zealand, has dropped. So if
Keywis want what is to make more cans with hawkspay peaches,
then they should buy them over their competition that doesn't
have hawkspay peaches. Thank you for that. And the text
followed up and said I shouldn't have told you that,
but you've already sent it hither and this is something
I didn't know. What about this? Okay, Heather Love your

(01:20:50):
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trimmed off, because that means it's important, likely from countries
that don't have our soil standards. Thank you Bill from
Blenham for ruining what we think of the garlic from
here forever from here. I'm mean, let's be honest about it.
Never gonna look at it the same. AWE six twenty
six got some showbiz news for you now any crown.

(01:21:14):
So it's not just Kendrick, Lamar and Drake who've got
beef with each other. It looks like it's also the
country singers. So it all started when Zach Bryan, who's
the fella singing this song refused to sign autographs from
a teenage fan. Another country singer, Gavin Adcock, then went
on a podcast and he was asked about it, and
he said.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
This, I think Zach Bron puts on a big mask
in his day to day life and sometimes he can't
help but rip it off and show his true colors.

Speaker 7 (01:21:40):
I don't know if Zach Brown's really that great of
a person.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Well, it's all quit because both men were then on
the same lineup for a country festival and Zach did
not like what Gavin had said, so he confronted Gavin.
But the trouble is there was a barbed wire fence
between them. So guess what Zach did? Shock that fence
so you want to fight like a man, and he

(01:22:04):
shook the fence and then hey, scaled it. He scaled
it to try to fight the other guy. He was
held back by security while Brian walked away, so there
was no actual altercation. But suddenly we're interested needs to
keep an eye out on this beef shaking that fence. Actually,
do we need to talk about the dogs? Shaking fence
has made me think of dogs. That's how my mind's
working today. Got an email from somebody who's very angry

(01:22:27):
and sent an email to my boss about the dogs,
which came to me. The email came to me because
he sent it to Heather, not my boss. But anyway,
we'll deal with that maybe later on. Jason Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Next, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mas for
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News Dogs head.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Bee Gavin Gray is going to be with us in
around about ten minutes out of the UK. I've got
to update you on Prince Harry if you haven't seen that.
And also let's talk about the dogs right now. It's
twenty four away from seven. Now we have a new
service that will show mobile network outages in real time.

(01:23:15):
One New Zealand and Spark of joined forces to create
the thing. It's believed to be a world first and
one New Zealand's chief executive, Jason Paris, is with us. Now, Hey, Jason,
get a Heather right, who uses this thing? Do I
use this thing?

Speaker 20 (01:23:28):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:23:28):
You don't, but our emergency services do so fire an
emergency service. New Zealand Police, Saint John and Wellington free
ambulance initially, and then we want others to come onto
the service as well. And basic what it means is
we can prioritize them when there's congestion on our networks.
We can also make sure that they can roam off

(01:23:51):
each of our networks because no Spark has a different
coverage footprint to us. And then today we announce the
third service, which basically means we can give emergency services
advanced warning on any planned network outages or if we
have a natural disaster, many network outages, so we can
optimize our network to save lives.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
So how would it work if you're planning to, I
don't know, take down a tower and fix it or
something and it's going to create an outage, how would
that help an emergency service to know that in advance.

Speaker 14 (01:24:21):
Well, it's just making sure that if they are in
a remote area that doesn't have coverage from both of us,
that they might need an alternative way of communicating for
an hour between say one until in the morning, because
that's the most of the time when we do kind
of planned outages. It's not during the middle of the day,
but people get sick or get themselves in danger in

(01:24:42):
a whole lot of bunch of different ways, and it's
just making sure that especially those emergency services in the
most remote and regional areas know where there's a planned outage,
and so is the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Same true of if there's a major weather event and
not call, any kind of natural disaster knocks out coverage,
then they know where they need to to take satellite
phones or something into.

Speaker 10 (01:25:03):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:25:04):
Of course, you know, we've got satellite technology available now,
which gives another level of resilience. But with the networks
on the grounds get taken out, it means that we
can restore them where emergency services tell us much much faster,
So Spark and ourselves can kind of share the load
and stand up our networks in different places at different times.

(01:25:27):
When that network comes back on. Of course, lots of
people want to connect to our cell towers all at
the same time. We'll prioritize emergency services first to make
sure that they've got access, and then you know, we
make sure that we can reciprocally roam roam off each
other's networks, again prioritizing the emergency services over other traffic. Again,

(01:25:49):
it's about saving lives.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Easy thing to do.

Speaker 14 (01:25:53):
Quite technically difficult. It's a world first for a reason,
I think technically difficult one. And then too, you know
corporates here that we don't normally like sharing our toys
in the sandpit and so Spark and One New Zealand
coming together to share infrastructure it's a really good thing
for New Zealand. You know, modern digital infrastructure resilience means

(01:26:13):
that people are safer, and in Spark and One New
Zealand working together is a pretty good thing for the country.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Now, Jason, I've got to say, man, yeah, I know
you've been you've been censored on this, but some of
those refs calls throughout the past season have been dodgy
as all. How haven't they?

Speaker 10 (01:26:30):
Yeah, they have.

Speaker 14 (01:26:31):
I've been pretty frustrated. You know, even on Saturday Night,
I thought there was a clear knock on and a
clear forward pass. But Edda, if you talk to the team,
we still haven't been playing to our full potential for
eighty minutes. So I've reluctantly got to admit that we
should be taking the ref's decisions, or the bunker's decision.
More importantly, it's really hard for the rest on the field,

(01:26:53):
and it's going so quickly out of out of their
hands and by winning by ten or twenty instead of
winning by you know, six points or losing by six points.
So twenty twenty six Premiership, here we come. Whence we
are meet our full potential.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
I love the enthusia, I love the belief. Thank you,
Jason Jason Parris, Chief executive of One New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Heather Duper see Ellen Prince.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Harry has revealed that his focus for the next year
is going to be on his dad and he's going
to spend more time in the UK and he's going
to spend more time in the UK with his kids.
Now this has happened because when he went to see
because obviously he went to see his dad for the
first time last week, hadn't seen him in war was
it nineteen months or something like that. And then yeah,
afterwards said the focus really has to be on my dad.

(01:27:39):
I think we can all probably join two dots here,
can't we, which is that Charles came and he saw
Charles immediately after Charles had cancer treatment and he's still
having weekly cancer treatment and that's, you know, I would
imagine not a great sign. And then Harry says he
needs to see more of his dad. I think, I
think you know, brace yourself is all I would be
saying there now here. This is them that landed in

(01:28:00):
my own box. Over the weekend attention, Heather's boss read
the execution of a beloved pet without considering a balanced
assessment of the situation. This needs to be read out
on Hea the show to provide a balanced view, because
she did not provide a balance view and she only
reads out emails and texts supporting her view, which is
not true because I'm reading this one out case in point. Anyway, Heather,

(01:28:23):
we listened to your comments about the recent dog attack
attack and I have to say, you've got this one
badly wrong. This, by the way, can I just give
you if you don't know what I'm talking about? This
is the dog attack that we were talking about on Friday.
Happened on the Carpety Coast or poor it to her
maybe port it Tor and a kid and his family
walked out from their house with their dog, walked from
the house to the car, and in that little period

(01:28:44):
another dog, which is one of those nasty breeds, you know,
like a fighting breed, can't remember now, came running up
the road tore the kids calf off basically, and there
were just like bits of flesh lying around the ground,
so it was horrific. And then the owner, instead of
the dog being put down immediately, the appealed it all
the way to the High Court in order to try
to keep this dog alive. The dog has now been

(01:29:05):
as basically said, the judges said, take the dog out
of the back, get rid of the dog, and we'll
see what happens. Because there is obviously you can't take
it to the Court of Appeal if you want to. Anyway,
your position here there is that any dog that lunges
at a child should be put down immediately. It is extreme,
one sided and unfair. Children, especially very young ones, don't
always understand boundaries with animals. They pull tails, clumb on dogs,

(01:29:26):
tug ears. It's not malice, it's innocent. But for a dog,
an animal with instincts, that's a trigger. That's to add
some context, the dog in question, and I'm assuming that
we're talking about the actual dog that I was talking
to you about, the calf pulling dog. The dog in
question wasn't just a pet. It was a working dog,
was a lifeline for an owner struggling with serious mental
health challenges. A dog that has provided comfort, stability, and

(01:29:47):
support for years and now because of an incident in
circumstances none of us fully know a judge has ordered
its destruction. Hither you speak as a parent, and I
get it, But as someone who doesn't own a dog,
you're looking at it. It's only through one lens. We
ask for compassion and new it's not knee jerk calls
for execution. That's from Fran. All of this a fair points.
Can I just answer this from Fran though, I don't
think that when a dog lunges at it, at an animal,

(01:30:09):
at a child, sorry, that we should immediately put it down.
In fact, I don't even think that you put down
a dog that nips, right, because we all know the difference.
We've all been around around dogs in our lives. A
dog that nips to give you a warning, that's not
a bite, you know, that's the dog telling you to
basically bugger off, and you should listen to it. What
I'm talking about? And I even think that maybe we

(01:30:30):
should have some latitude when it comes to on the
dog's property. Do you know what I mean? So, if
you're an intruder coming onto the property. You're trying to
break into the house, dog bites you, well to ties
or even if you I don't know, you freak the
dog out by coming in through the gate really fast.
I have some scope for latitude there. But if that
dog is in a public place and attacks a person,
doesn't have to be a child, just a person and

(01:30:52):
bites like we're talking about fangs in muscle. I'm sorry,
there is no dispute. That dog's got to be put
down because that dog is now a threat. So if
there is a friend, if you have a problem with
that argument, and I don't care if it's a working
dog or not, because the thing is the dog is
now a threat to humans, and what do we protect
first humans?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Friend, if you have a problem with that, which is
that I'm saying in public spaces, if a dog bites
and latches on, then we put them down. If you're
a problem with that, please follow up with another email,
happy to hear it. Sixteen away from seven, approaching.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
The numbers and getting the results. It's hither dule c
Ellen with the business hour and mas for insurance investments
and Quie Saber, you're in good hands news dogsa'd be whither.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
A judge determined the dog should be put down. It
was a High Court judge even, which is a fair
point to make. Thirteen away from seven and Gavin Gray
are UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gavin, Hi there Hanah,
So the suspect in the case of madel mccahn doesn't
want to be interviewed by UK police.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Why no?

Speaker 12 (01:31:53):
And what's more, they can't make him now. Basically he
hasn't given any reason. It's been reported he has just
rejected the request for an interview now. Christian Bruckner is
his name. He's forty nine years old. We've been reporting
about him before, haven't we. He's never been charged in
the Madeline McCann case. He denies any involvement in the

(01:32:14):
little girl. She went missing back in two thousand and
seven on the Algarve in Portugal as a little three
year old girl. She's never ever been seen since, and
despite extensive searches, her body has never been found. Now
the police are treating this in Germany as a murder case.
UK police treating it is a missing person's case. But

(01:32:34):
the Christian Bruckner is currently serving time in prison for
the rape of an American tourist a seventy two year
old American tourist. He is forty nine. He's about to
be released from prison we believe Wednesday of this week,
and the theories he will simply then go to another
country where there is no extradition treaty and he will

(01:32:56):
never then have any realistic prospect to being question about
Madeline McCann. So I think this is a big setback
for the McCann parents. But as I said, he has
never ever been charged and has said he had no
involvement in her disappearance.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Okay, now, who were police hunting after this rally at
the weekend.

Speaker 12 (01:33:14):
Well, so a really amazing rally which I think the
numbers of which way out strip what both the police
and Auger thought, but also the organizers too. More than
one hundred and fifty thousand people went on a reich
A march through London organized by the far right activist
Tommy Robinson, well known here for some of his views

(01:33:37):
anti migrant and during that rally there was a separate
rally of the opposing view of roughly five thousand people.
The police were trying to keep the two groups separate.
Then when they got close to one another right in
the heart of London. That's when it got violent. Sadly,
there were twenty four arrests, twenty six police injured, and

(01:34:00):
those police had four of them quite serious injuries. They
were broken teeth of prolapsed disc head injury and some
really pretty unpleasant scenes. And plenty of the other protesters
who weren't arrested at the site have been caught on
body cameras worn by the police or other cameras, and
so they're trying to identify them, and then they're going

(01:34:21):
to try and catch them, of course and bring them
to justice.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Listen, how worried we about what's going on with the
Russian drones.

Speaker 12 (01:34:28):
In short, very and we should all be very worried
about this. So last week we reported that Poland had
downed three or maybe four Russian drones that had come
over the border. They were supposed to course be operating
in Ukraine and attacking Ukraine, part of that war that
Russia is conducting there, but they were not just on

(01:34:50):
the edge of the border. They were a long way
into Poland. Russia said, oh no, no, not nothing to
do with us, or it's a mistake, but plenty of
people think no, they were so far into Poland. This
was this was testing NATO and seeing what the response
would be. Now we learn they've also done the same
in Romania. So the eastern flank of NATO very much

(01:35:10):
in need of enhancement, more security. About four countries in
the European Union now pledging that enhancement to bolster security
in defense. But I'm afraid chilling words from Vladimir Zelenski
who said this is an obvious attempt by Vladimir Putin
to extend the war in Ukraine outside the boundaries of Ukraine.

(01:35:32):
In other words, saying to Europe, this is coming to
your doorstep soon, I fear.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely something to be scared of. Hey, thank
you very much, Gevin appreciated. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Yeah,
there's a funny little update on the nitball that I
think I should get you across. I will shortly nine
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Before I get to the nit Ball, just a quick
update on the situation with Gas because I'm slightly obsessed
with it. I can't remember a time where the country
I can't remember a time in my living memory where
the country has run out of a natural resource, and
this will be it anyway. Apparently, the Resources Minister Shane
Jones has written a briefing paper for Winston Peters that's
made quite a stark warning, and he said, if the

(01:36:19):
country doesn't find new gas or displace its use in
electricity generation as and get a lot of a lot
of commercial users, I suppose to switch to electricity, there
would be quote no gas available for industrial, commercial or
domestic use from twenty twenty nine, which is only four
years away now. As has been pointed out, he is
subject to hyperbole and domestic users will probably be among

(01:36:41):
amongst the last to be kicked off because we use
so little and it's profitable selling it to us. But
still it's kind of slightly alarming, isn't it. So start
start start picturing what you're going to replace that gas
heater with in your house. That's my That's what I'm
doing now. The netble. So it turns out, according to
the Herald, that when Netball New Zealand management sat down

(01:37:04):
Dame Knowles and the team to tell her all the
things that were wrong with her coaching style, they could
not actually tell her specific concerns that Silver Ferns players
had about her leadership. And remember this is what led
to her being stood down. They could not tell her
the specific concerns that the players had about her leadership
because some athletes struggle to fully articulate their emotions. So

(01:37:30):
that makes me feel a lot better about the Situa,
not I'm being sarcastic. I mean, how bad does this sound?
So the players, the players are going, I'm thackl, I'm
just emotionally unsafe here, I'm psychologically unsafe, but can't say
why they're psychologically unsafe. And then they launched a review
based on that, which, by the way, they launched the
review and don't tell Torua that they've launched the review

(01:37:51):
until the review is finished. So talk about being psychologically unsafe.
It's her he should be complaining. But when they sit
her down the carnic, she tell her what she's doing wrong.
I mean that, come off, this is this is going
to The more that we find out about this, the
less this is a no Lean problem and more a
New Zealand netball problem, isn't it. Anyway? We'll keep you
posting on that because I'm fascinated by this. What have

(01:38:12):
you got for us, Libby?

Speaker 24 (01:38:13):
I've got some Bruce Springsteen today, because he is the
latest person to have a movie made about him, which
we were gifted the trailer for at today's Emmys. It's
called Deliver Me from Nowhere. And Jeremy Alan White is
playing Springsteen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
It's him. It's the guy from The Bear, isn't it
guy from Shameless?

Speaker 18 (01:38:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:38:33):
And this is the track Atlantic City that plays along
in the trailer, So I thought, why not go out
with this?

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Is this actually Bruce singing? Or is this Jeremy?

Speaker 24 (01:38:41):
This is actually Bruce. I'm curious if it will be
Jeremy in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Oh, it's got to be because because what's his face?
Did did Elton John? Didn't he?

Speaker 17 (01:38:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:38:48):
A lot to live up to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yep, that's right, thank you, Libby. Okay, here you go,
and we'll see tomorrow. I have a lovely evening.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
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