Full Show Podcast: 16 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplessylan Drive with One New Zealand
Let's Get Connected.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
News talks at be Hey, Good.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today. Andrew Little
on why on earth he wants the mayoral job in Wellington.
Nikola Willis on whether she's actually cutting the Reserve Bank
funding and the boss of Wellington Water on why they're
spending rate payer money on skincare and mindfulness.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ryan Bred Together duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, not Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
But thank you, Old Habits.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thank you to Ryan Bridge. It's actually overdue. I should
say thank you to him for standing in for such
a long time. Anyway, listen, let's talk about university researchers.
I'm very happy to be corrected, but I think that
we may have a perfect example here of why university
researchers simply do not understand the real world and probably
need to spend more time in it. There are some
researchers who have been by an associate professor from Waikator

(01:02):
who've put out some research to do, and they're calling
for rules on junk food advertising for kids. I know
it's not even novel. We've been here a million times.
But anyway, so they want rules on junk food advertising
for kids because they've taken a look at what kids
are seeing in advertising right at bus stops, on screens,
blah blah blah, everything they reckon. Kids see twice as
much advertising for unhealthy food as they do for healthy food. Now,

(01:26):
I don't think that should be a surprise to these
reachers researchers, because obviously kids are going to see more
advertising for unhealthy food, which health food business is going
to waste advertising money trying to sell healthy food to kids.
I mean, I might see an ad for low calorie
potatoes and think, yeah, that's exactly what I need, something
healthy but also low calorie to help me on my

(01:47):
weight loss journey or whatever, because I'm an adult and
care about my my how I look and just want
to be fat the whole time. But kids don't care
about that kind of Then what kid is going to
look at an ad for crispy orange carrots and suddenly think,
you know what I need in my life, some fresh carrots.
It's not gonna happen. What these guys fail to understand fundamentally, though,
I think, is that kids don't want to buy junk

(02:09):
food because they see an ad for junk food. They
want to buy junk food because they're kids. Right, you
give a kid twenty bucks and you tell them go
buy whatever you want to see what they come back with.
It'll be cokes and pies. It's not gonna be water
and salads. And that's not because they saw an ad.
That's because they're kids. They don't have to see an
ad to go and buy crappy food. The only thing
an ad does, I think has changed the preference for

(02:29):
which crappy food they're gonna buy. Right, They're gonna they're
gonna go buy something fizzy. They might see an ad
for Fanta, and now they might pick a Fanta over
a coke. But they're always gonna pick a bad thing
because the kids, right, you're not gonna switch them to
water suden start blasting them with some healthy food advertising.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Not.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
The only thing that changes is, I think, is when
the parent intervens. And that's the missing part here. Parents
are the answer. Don't worry about what the kids see
in advertising. Worry about what the parents see in advertising,
because that is how the real world works.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Ever do for Sea nine nine who.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
You're welcome to way, and we're going to talk to
one of them later on in the program. Right now, though,
get a load of this. Auckland. There's a ten percent
chance of a volcanic eruption in Auckland in the next
fifty years. Now, this is according to disaster scenarios drawn
up by emergency management and the potential cost of this
does if she blows is sixty five billion dollars now.
Doctor Finn Illsley Kemp is a senior research fellow at

(03:22):
Victoria University specializing in earthquakes and volcanoes. Is with us now, hoy, Finn, hey,
I mean ten percent in the real world is not
all a lot, But what about when we're dealing with
scenarios like this, is it?

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Well, ten percent is still very unlikely, and there is
still quite a lot of uncertainty about that number. The
way we've got that number is by looking at the
eruptions that have happened in the past in Auckland and
looking at the date, like how old they were, and
then getting a kind of average of roughly how often
these things have happened, and we think roughly we get
about one eruption every five hundred years, Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So I can probably relax like it's not going to
happen while I'm alive.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Chance that right, Well, it's unlikely, but there will be
an eruption from Auckland at some point in the future,
so it is worthwhile, you know, considering it and preparing it,
and especially for emergency management, getting prepared for that scenario.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Then how do you prepare for a volcanic eruption.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
It's difficult, and it's especially difficult in Auckland, it has
to be said.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
In Auckland, well, because.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
The volcanic field, the Auckland volcanic field, basically sits under
the entire city. And what's difficult about the volcanic field
in Auckland is that it seems to be relatively random
where in that area the eruption comes up. It's not
like we are pay who where the eruptions are coming
from the same place all the time, and so that

(04:48):
makes it very hard to predict for the future. But
even still, when we do think we will get a
warning when it is on the way, because this magma
has to come from quite deep and so we should
be able to see it.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
On its way.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
But when it's on the move. It doesn't hang around.
It's probably going to take maybe days to weeks to
get from deep up to the surface to interruption. It's
quite out of time.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, there's heaps of time. We can get out of
the city, so we'll have at least days worth of warning. Yeah, yeah,
yeah we will.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
That's our I mean, I like your optimism. And it's
a big challenge to evacuate the entire city of Auckland
in days.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
See the public holiday weekends, we can get out of
here real quick.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Yeah, maybe everyone can go up north.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, now, okay, listen, if it was to happen, because
producer ants who fancies himself as something of a scientist,
like a pseudo scientist, like a part time scientist, he
reckons it blows at the softest part in the ground,
so that would be out at sea, would it.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
No, we don't see particular evidence for that. There seems
to be basically random. The only thing we can kind
of say is they don't seem to erupt from the
same place more than once most often, So where there
is currently a cone, we can say it's unlikely to
come from that exact spot. But really we just have
to cast the net wide and say it could come

(06:13):
basically anywhere under the entire city.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Finn doesn't make a new cone, So will it come
from a flat piece and suddenly we'll have a cone there?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Yeah, probably, that's what we think.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And so there's no I mean, you can't give me
a piece of advice as to like, if it's happening
here north or south. It's but random, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
It will be random. And what's difficult is that as
it's coming up, we'll probably see earthquakes. That will be
the sign that we can see the magma on the move.
But then it doesn't necessarily come straight up. It can
kind of move around in the crust a bit, Okay,
And so really we would take the approach of evacuating
everyone to be safe.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Okay, Hey, thanks for that, Fin, that's fascinating. That's doctor
Finn Iillsley kimp Seeing, a research fellow, Victoria University School
of Geography. How good is it? We'll get a few
days warning, decide where you want to much be able
to out, just fly out somewhere. Can put like Fiji,
I'm gonna I'm just gonna hunk down in Fiji while
that's happening, because I tell you where I'm not going
as Wellington. We'll talk with Geez. Have we got geez?
Have we got have we got Wellington stories coming out

(07:12):
our years? Today it's a kafuffle down there. Lots of
texts coming through on Andrew Little, Heather. Just when you
thought it couldn't get any worse for Wellington, Andrew Little
is running for mayor not of you I agree with.
We'll talk about this. Fourteen past four.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's the Heather topsy Al and Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
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Speaker 3 (07:33):
Seventeen Passport, Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with Me.

Speaker 8 (07:36):
Hello, Darcy, Hi, Heather A bit Carmen, now big your
pardon a bit, Karmen.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Now you have calmed down someone Now that the joy.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
And excitement of having you back on the hot seat
again that I've moved through that.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I thought it was just because it was hump day.
This is Wednesday, sort of middle of the week. You
just your your energy levels just kind of dropping down
to kind of you know, sort of g up again.

Speaker 9 (07:57):
You do know I have a Saturday morning program, don't you.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
And I feel like you're starting that long.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
Approach, long approach okay, not really on only two days
in I'm still really got it. But that's okay. I
don't mind because this is a public holiday on Friday.
How good a public holiday that I actually get to take?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, you don't get a lot of them. Actually, okay,
is Anzact Day? I can't remember? Is Anzac Day a
public holiday?

Speaker 10 (08:19):
Like?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Is it a half holiday or just yeah? But is it?
We know it's a half day, but it's not a
good half day for me, is it? So it's the
morning half? Oh, we have the day we do, thank god.

Speaker 8 (08:30):
Because Monday a terrible because I don't work Monday, so
I don't get the day off that should be not
a public hologe should be called it's a day off
for people Monday.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
No, you'll have a good run this this year because
you'll have Anzac Day, but you also have Easter Friday.

Speaker 9 (08:44):
Plus also, yes, it's I got all the Monday host
ones that I'm going to shoup about this. I'm going
to get sacked. People are absolutely tired of it. Let's
talk some sports.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Most people don't feel sorry for you because.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
You have no.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
I I do speaking of me, and it is yeah
coming back. Remember she got beaten by Alix Scottney, and
she was looking like trying to take on the world
in her division.

Speaker 9 (09:08):
But oween to England just didn't work.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
She got beaten up and she got beaten up badly,
And a lot of people predicted that because Belli's a
very good pugil it's very good fighter. Didn't work well
for her. She came back, and she came back and
she was sick. She had pneumonia. She's got healthish, she's
a deep vein throng by So she just got hammered.
Not only did she get beaten up externally, she got
beaten up. Don't you have it by not wearing the

(09:34):
right socks on a plane?

Speaker 10 (09:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
But I mean I would have thought that that's the
kind of thing that you get if you're like eighty
years old and fat.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
Well, can you still use that word?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Can you? I tried telling you that it's final, not
just starting quick, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
She's got outstanding health issues.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
That's probably not going to help when it comes to
long distance flights. You've been involved in a scrap like that.
But she's come back, comeet the end of the like, Okay,
that's fine. Didn't work for me I'm moving up two
weight divisions because weight.

Speaker 9 (10:09):
Cutting was no good for me.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
Because the boxes wall they fight, they've got to drop
a whole lot of kilograms and plainly that is not
being great for her. And they've gone with Isaac Peach
the trainer, and gone, how can we change this? Like, Okay,
let's not try and hit that low weight. Let's go
slightly higher, two classes up and we'll move from there.
So don't call it a comeback. I've been there for years. Yeah,

(10:32):
and I'm looking forward to it. It's fantastic brawler.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Okay. So the mixed doubles golf is going to be
at the LA Olympics. How do you feel about this?

Speaker 9 (10:41):
I think that.

Speaker 8 (10:43):
Lydia Co won't retire because that's just another medal for
her to win. Right, She's already got the gold, the silver,
and the bronze with the women. She could just add
the gold in the mix.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Like do you take turns? Hold her whole?

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Yeah, it's I don't have it at my fingertips, but
it's a two day, two round competition, thirty six round competition,
and I think it's best ball in naturally alternate shot.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
On so you you both take it you both tee
off and then whoever gets the best ball you play
that one, and then whoever gets the best ball you
play that one.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
I believe that's what they're going to lose use. But
if you're out there listing and I've got it wrong,
I'm particularly sorry. I've been snowed in today, but I
know I like the idea.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
That's what you call it, zam right.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
Well, there's a number of adjustments. I'm not quite sure
exactly what they're going to use. But away from that,
I have found one of the funniest stories there is
in sport. Can I just share this one with you?

Speaker 9 (11:37):
I don't know what you think.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
About this Tennis stars Sorry, after calling for smelly opponent
to wear deal.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Would you like to hear it?

Speaker 10 (11:45):
Here?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
It is can you tell her to teldridd It's Harriet
Dart from the UK talking about her opponent Lewis Busson,
and she says, can you please tell her to wear deodorant?
She smells really bad? But it's the worst sledge in
the world, Darcy, because she's not actually saying it to
her opponent, She's saying it to the umpire. So that's

(12:06):
like me privately sledging you to the producer and not
telling you that's not really a sledge, is it.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
No, everyone does that, don't.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, she's stink at sledge and it's also stink at
tennis because she lost six love, six three, So.

Speaker 9 (12:19):
All around stink.

Speaker 8 (12:20):
She used to work with a French woman in a
cafe and she didn't shave under her arms, which is
perverly fine.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
But she didn't wear the odor. And in a restaurant
it made.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
It quite difficult when you leaned over the tables to
serve people there burgers and the conversation.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Had to be had with management.

Speaker 8 (12:36):
Ah, could you do something?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Feel like you. I feel like there are grounds for
a Broadcasting Standards authority complaint about you being xenophobic towards
French women right now.

Speaker 9 (12:46):
No, he said it was a French storm. I'm I'm
not saying it was.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
It was an experiencing story. I send it to me
and I say fat. Darcy water Grave, sports talk host
for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Moving the big stories of the dard It's Heather Duples
Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks
that'd be it.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Got to the bottom of how the golf is gonna work,
somebody says on the text. One round of alternate shots,
and then one round of better ball where they play
their own ball, but only the best score on each
whole council do one round where they take alternate to
they take a turn each, and then in the other
round they just basically all play, and then you choose.
You choose the best, the best of the two, and
go run with that.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Heather, if it was like me and Lydia co it
wouldn't matter if I stuffed up on the better ball one,
because we'd just go with her better score anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean, I don't, Yeah, I reckon. Lydia could pretty
much have anybody on her team right now and they
just be going with Lydia's score the whole way, wouldn't they. Yeah,
I think it's a future for you there, just clearly
not a future for you there and predicting volcanoes hither
only you, Jeffers can create a drama where there isn't one. Well, actually,
funnily you should say that we'll see how tomorrow pans out.

(14:00):
But there's always a chance that we like to overreact
when we have bad weather in Wellington in Auckland. Why
could you keep saying Wellington. It's because of the Wellington
yarns We're going to get to anyway. Fonterra apparently is
closing its office in Auckland for non essential staff tomorrow.
I've heard through the grapevine because of the weather because
it's quite bad, and I was talking to somebody else,
not going to name them because I quite like them,

(14:20):
but they're also closing their office for non essential staff
for the same reason, because they're hearing that the barber
bridge is going to be closed tomorrow and the fairies
aren't going to be running and stuff because it's but
wild out there in Auckland today. It is like Wellington
out there and we can't handle. We get very upset
about that, you know, we stop being able to drive
and stuff in Auckland. So anyway, we'll see if tomorrow
if it's a drama out of nothing or if it

(14:42):
is a working, genuine working from home day in Auckland. Listen, Labor,
I've gotta talk about labor quickly because I see the
text coming in on this Already. Labour's in trouble with
this nonsense from the Mardy Party. I don't know if
I mean there's constant nonsense from the Marty Party, but
this is the latest. There was a select committee today
where the guardians of the New Zealand Superannuation Fund appeared
and the Marii Party piped up, which is always a

(15:02):
bad sign, and they said, well, we want Mary to
be able to get the pension at age fifty five,
you know, ten years earlier than everybody else because quote
Maori life expectancy is significantly lower and many of our
people work in physically demanding jobs that take a toll
well before retirement age. Well, that's obviously dumb and not
going to happen, because I mean to have a look
at the labor intensive jobs, right, It's not just Marty.

(15:24):
The guy who's the builder in the back of our
yard at the moment is completely white guy with blonde hair.
Lots of people who are not Mary are also doing
physically demanding jobs. But anyway, then they go to Labor,
the reporters and they're like, what do I think? And
Barbara Edmonds says Labor will not be making announcements on
super policy at this stage of the electoral cycle. I mean,
obviously the right thing to do is kill the idea

(15:46):
because it is that bad, but labor didn't. I don't
know why they didn't. They stuck with these loonies and government.
Potentially next time around. We'll talk to Thomas about it
when he's with us in politics soon. Headline's next Mary.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news dogs.

Speaker 11 (16:11):
That'd be.

Speaker 10 (16:19):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I would take Andrew Little over Tori Fano any day
of the week. She will know it's all over for her.

Speaker 12 (16:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I think probably everybody.

Speaker 9 (16:25):
Knows it's all over.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
The Ray probably knows it's all over for him, as
well as Ray Chung. We'll talk about that with Thomas
Coglan and then of course Andrew lil the Man himself.
After five o'clock there is also listen to something and
we're going to talk to Nichola Willis about this after
five is something funny going on with the Reserve Bank
funding that was announced today. Now this is important because
this is the thing that Adrian or had the tantrum about.
Remember he quickly didn't come in on Monday, did he?

(16:48):
He just that's it. I'm not coming in on Monday,
and then he didn't and then nobody heard from him again.
Very professional, very serious anyway, that was about the funding cuts.
But so Nicholas put out a statement today and she's
been like, you who were cutting the funding? But it
doesn't look like they're cutting the funding. She was like,
we're not giving them two hundred million, And the rest
of us were like, what are you talking about? You
never did, you never were going to. She's like, no,

(17:10):
we're just giving them one fifty million a year, and we were,
but that's all you were. What are you talking about.
That's not a cut, that's what you gave in last year.
So we're all very confused about this. Thomas will talk
us through that, run us through it, hopefully when maybe
he understands it, because the rest of us don't. Anyway,
he'll talk us through that when he's with us. In
ten minutes time, it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's the world wires on news dogs. They'd be dry now.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the US plans
to use the trade wall to try to get Chinese
businesses out of other countries. So, according to this report,
countries that agree to limit their dealings with China will
be rewarded with smaller US tariffs. Here's the White House
pre Secretary Caroline Leavitt.

Speaker 13 (17:47):
The ball is in China's court. China needs to make
a deal with us. We don't have to make a
deal with them. There's no difference between China and any
other country, except they are much larger, and China wants
what we have. What every country wants what we have.
The American Consumer.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Indonesia says there is no need to worry about any
Russian military planes being based near Darwin military website. James
has reported that Russia has made a formal request to
put some of its planes in southern Indonesia, but an
Indonesian military spokesperson says this report is false. Now, Peter
Dutton has accused the Australian government of failing to get
on top of this, but Albow says Dutton needs to
calm down.

Speaker 14 (18:26):
What we saw yesterday was Peter Dutton doing what he
does consistently, which is always always overreaching, always doling it
up to eleven, but in this case being quite reckless,
quite reckless with a neighbor of Australia. That is an
important neighbor and friend of Australia.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
And finally, a Fox News host has tried to teach
Donald Trump a little bit of Spanish. Sir President, I'd
like to teach you how to say let's make America
great again in Spanish. So I almost said America grande.
US President gave it his best shot, but didn't quite
manage the whole lot.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
America grande tras I.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Mean, speak fair to him. She did say pretty fast.
So let's listen one more time and then we're all
going to try it. Almost say that America. Yeah cool, okay.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Go on, Dan, Dan Mitchison, US corresponding, you do it?

Speaker 5 (19:27):
No, no, no, no, no, no no. My wife speaks it,
my daughter speaks it. I'm not even going to give
it a go.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Welcome back, Thanks very much, Dan. Why do they speak
it but you don't speak it? And do they speak
it behind you, back in front of you?

Speaker 5 (19:39):
They don't. And that's the that's the frustrating thing. My
wife speaks it so well, my daughter does to even
my son. Nobody wants to speak it when we go
out to public, or to a to a Mexican restaurant,
or when we're down in in in the southern part
of Mexico. So it is kind of frustrating.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Well then that I was speaking it to.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Nobody. They just wanted to learn another language.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
They're speaking it inside to themselves.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, basically, yeah, you don't use.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
It, you're gonna lose it, exactly. Okay, Now, this business
with sending the homegrowns to El Salvador, is he.

Speaker 10 (20:10):
Serious about it?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
I mean, that's what he said to the president of
l L Salvador, who he spoke with yesterday at the
at the White House, and he's still talking about it today.
He says they'd have to build five more places to
hold all the new arrivals. And you know, he's talked
about this now and he being in President Trump and
he says these would be violent people. But I think
this would be a big I mean, he can talk

(20:35):
about it, but this would be a huge violation of
our constitution and a huge violation for the administration to
send anybody that was born here forcibly to a prison overseas.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
So it is it is.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
In fact, he the President signed up a law of
his own during his first term, saying that you can't
do this. So I don't know why he would why
he would go back on it.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, was this Donald Trump?

Speaker 10 (20:59):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I mean? Is he actually The thing with Donald Trump
that we understand is we can't get upset about absolutely
everything that comes out of the man's mouth right until
he actually does it. So is he actually going to
do it? Or is this just half air?

Speaker 5 (21:10):
No? I think this is just hot air. You know,
like a lot of people have said. For every twenty
thirty forty things that he says, maybe one or two
will actually go through. But he just likes to put
things out there.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, Now what about Joe Biden? Not a lot has changed,
is it?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
No, it hasn't.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
I mean, he's been kind of out of the spotlight
since Donald Trump stepped into office. And he gave a
speech just a short time ago to the National Conference
of Advocates for the Disabled in Chicago. A lot of
the remarks were prepared, he kind of went off script
a few times, rambled. He always spoke for about thirty
minutes or so. He was really there to warn people
the President Trump's trying to take away Social Security. President

(21:49):
Trump says he has no plan to do that, the
White House saying, you know, this was feeble Joe Biden
trying to speak, and you know, it was hard to
understand some of what he was saying during his appearance tonight,
which is why I think he said he will probably
continue to keep a low profile, and if we hear
much from him in the future, it'll probably be about
his presidential library or you know, when he comes out
with the book that every former president.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Seems to Yeah, okay, it doesn't look like everything's going
okay there. By the way, what what's going on with
the weed in California?

Speaker 5 (22:16):
As the buzz died, Well, it kind of has you know,
four twenties coming up, which I think this year happens
to fall on Easter, so that's what's going to be coming.
Four twenties, the code name for for marijuana.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, I know, you said four twenties coming up?

Speaker 5 (22:32):
What is April twentieth, which is just a few days,
so that'll be that'll be Easter Sunday, and that'll also
be basically pot Day. So yeah, you better watch what
you get in your Easter basket. I guess this year,
but you know it used to be you just had
the hippies puffing away. Yeah, yeah, that was yeah, never mind,

(22:54):
you used to have the hippies smoking on the on
the pot.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
What are you feeling that?

Speaker 10 (22:58):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Are you right now feeling for insinuating that somebody is
going to give me a joint in my easter a package?

Speaker 10 (23:05):
No.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
I could tell you that there would be a lot
more happy people if they probably had something that was
cannabis related in their easter basket and this pure sugar.
But the buzz has kind of worn off here. And
I mean the whole point of this was it was
illegal at one time, then they legalized it. They were
hoping to get all this this extra money here for
public programs in California. It's a multi billion dollar industry

(23:27):
of course the US here, but it just hasn't generated
the tax money. And I think businesses are finding out
that people can get it elsewhere for a lot cheaper,
and there's there's actually too much pot out there.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well this is true. Hey, thanks very much, Dan, really
appreciate it. Dan Mitchinson now US correspondent. Right, you want
to hear from Biden. Here we go. So the significance
of this is, this is this first speech since he
left the White House, right, and he came and he
came on. Everybody thought eyes had a rest, hasn't it
because he was tired before when he was the president,
and he's at a rest. Everything is going to be okay.

(23:57):
And he came on stage during a Bruce Springsteen song.
But the problem is he started talking. But somebody who's
controlling them all the buttons couldn't figure out how to
turn the Bruce Springsteen song off.

Speaker 15 (24:11):
Back you back, you back, You.

Speaker 9 (24:24):
Girl deserve help.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
They found the button and paid for most of it.
Thank god they found the button. He was still half
asleep and the rest did not do him any good.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
It's about respect.

Speaker 15 (24:37):
It's about being able to look your kid now and say, honey,
it's going to.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Be okay and mean it.

Speaker 9 (24:43):
That's what you're all about.

Speaker 15 (24:45):
That's what that's what that's what the legislation is about.

Speaker 9 (24:48):
It's about dignity.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
And then he did that thing. No, he used to
do that thing where he'd be like suddenly he'd remember
to wake up. He's still doing it.

Speaker 9 (24:57):
Simple dignity.

Speaker 15 (24:59):
Every everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, regardless of
the standard, regardless of the economics, regardless of who they are,
making sure the more than sixty million Americans we're living
with disabilities are treated with dignity.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
Is that who we are as Americans?

Speaker 10 (25:19):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Okay, just wow.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
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Speaker 3 (25:27):
And with us now, as The Herald's political editor, Thomas Cognane, Thomas, hey, Okay,
So Nikola has reigned in the spending on the Reserve Bank.
But has she actually.

Speaker 16 (25:36):
Very very very good question. So the Reserve Bank, the spending,
I think inarguably has gone a wee bit nuts. For the
last few years. It was about fifty million dollars a
year in the agreement signed by the last National government
labor up to that spending to about one hundred to
one hundred and twenty million dollars a year from twenty
twenty onwards. Now things got a wee bit weird. In
twenty twenty three, the Reserve Bank got some new responsibilities

(26:00):
and got some additional money to compensate for those new responsibilities.
So the funding goes up to about one hundred and
sixty million and twenty three one hundred and fifty million
and twenty four to twenty five, but the bank has then,
it appears, spent an additional fifteen million dollars on top
of that, taking this year spending to two hundred million dollars.
So all of those numbers apologies for them. So if

(26:22):
you take that two hundred million dollars as your baseline,
then yes there's a funding cut. But if you look
back over the last of five years, then actually spending
is roughly level and might even be a wee bit
a wee bit higher. So it really depends who you're asking.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
So the agreement for the last financial year was one
hundred and fifty million and nickel, and but they spent
two hundred million because they blew their budget. But now
Nichola is saying we've cut it back to one hundred
and fifty million. That's not a cut. That's level.

Speaker 16 (26:46):
Yeah, that's and if that's if that's the way that
you're which I think to be honest, is that's the
way that I look at it. So I think I
think you could say she's cut it from I mean,
I've asked them for the bank, what on earth was
going on? What's going on this year? They meant to
get back to me by the end of the day,
so I guess I'll hear back from them then. But
I don't know what's going on with this two hundred

(27:08):
million dollars they spend this year. It's I mean, when
you think about it, you know, it wasn't two thousand
and nineteen, was not that long ago, and in twenty
nineteen everyone at the bank was fine with fifty two
million dollars. Fast forward to this year and two hundred
million dollars is what they're spending. It's it's it's it's incomprehensible.
What has happened here that the bank needs them needs

(27:29):
this much money? And to me, frankly, it's incredible that
the bank doesn't sort of front up a little bit
more and explain why it's spending all this money. That's
some of it is necessary. I think with the deposit
takers stuff that they're changing, there is some some reason
behind it. But quadrupling the amount of spending, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, I don't know either. And why did Adrian all
quit over this? I mean, this is hardly if he's
maintaining that the extraordinary level of funding that the Reserve
Bank has got, Whydey pack a Tandy and pack off.

Speaker 16 (27:56):
Well, I mean the other, the other, I mean the
interesting The other interesting thing with this agreement today is
that the bank wanted a billion dollars over a billion
dollars over five years, and Nicola Willis peered them back
to about seven hundred and fifty million dollars, So the
bank wanted even more money. It is there is, of course,
the irony here is is that there is an institution

(28:18):
in New Zealand which is meant to ensure that there
is price stability and that you don't need more and
more money every year just to stand still. And that institution.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Is the Reserve Bank. Wow, that's the reserve bank.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
Good point.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So okay, this is the thing I don't understand. So
the Marty party comes up with its latest cooked idea,
which is that Marty people should be able to take
the pension and therefore retire ten years before everybody else.
The question is asked of labor, what do you make
of it? And labor goes, I'm not saying yet, why
don't they just kill it?

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Kill the odea?

Speaker 16 (28:49):
It's terrible, it is, it is, it is an I
think this idea is also difficult to get your head around.
I mean, Willie Jackson was actually asked it a few
weeks ago by by Orderly Young and he said it
would cause division and wasn't a good idea and he
didn't want to go down that route. So so one
one Labor person has actually said they don't want to
do it. Barbara Edmonds, I think today, was in that

(29:10):
in that story saying.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
That he's not making policy upright, he's not.

Speaker 16 (29:14):
Making policy up right now, which I'm not sure how
tenable that is. I mean, barbar Edmonds as well last
week in the House was asking Nicola Willis will she
rule out and come testing the best start payment? Will
she rule out and come testing the winter energy payment?
So you know, Barbara Edmonds is starting to play the
rule out game with Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. But

(29:34):
she's not so keen on playing it when people start
to ask her to rule out coalition partner promises. And
this one is, as you say, this one's an easy
one to rule out. Labor can't find four billion dollars
to do this idea. Regardless of whether whether or not
you think it's fair, there is not four billion dollars
lying around to spend, you know, not just this year,
but every year going forward to the future. Four billion dollars.

(29:55):
That is that is an enormous amount of money. It's
it's huge, I think. I think it's it would be
roughly comparable, I think to our justice spending at the moment,
our law and order spending. It's money that you cannot
find down the back of the couch. I really don't
know why Labors why I was opted to be ambiguous

(30:17):
on that one. Because it's not going to happen. I
can tell you right now, come election time, it just
ruled out. It won't happen.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Thank you, Thomas. We'll talk to you again tomorrow. Look
after yourself. That's Thomas Coglin, The Herald's political editor, Heather.
Did you notice that the President of our Salvador wasn't
wearing a tie when he visited the White House? It
looks like the reporters there didn't. Did you notice that
the President of our Salvador is a hot bait seven
away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:41):
Looks like the government's winning on the crime front. These
new stats from the Victims of Crime Survey show the
goal of producing victims by twenty thousand has been beaten
that Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, who's with us.

Speaker 18 (30:50):
It's twenty eight thousand since October twenty three when the
government came in, and that's when there was the baseline
for the figure. So we wanted to reduce the overall
number of victims of crime by twenty thousand from that
figure that it was, which was one hundred and eighty
five thousand New.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Zealanders a year of being victims of violent crime.

Speaker 18 (31:06):
So rather than twenty were gone down twenty eight, which
is very encouraging, and it's good news that we promised
to restore law and order and we're making good progress
on that.

Speaker 17 (31:14):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the laugh News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Here the gist of thumbs up for your suggestion to
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worked both times. You're welcome. If you didn't catch this,
this is worth repeating. If you didn't catch this, that
got this from the research. It's just not just out
of my own brain and I tried it the other
night our one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
It works.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
What you want to do is just randomly think of
words and it puts you to sleep. So I'll tell
you again, think of a word like panic, and then
take each letter and come up with as many words
starting with that letter. So panic, you p you go peep, pens, pencils, promises,
pawn and then you go to a Apple's asses asking

(32:01):
like you just and you work your ware. N I see, honestly,
you'll fall asleep so quickly because it is so unbelievably
boring and it does work. Wellington now I need to
talk to you about what's going on in Wellington's We're
a bunch of weird stuff going on in Wellington. Wellington Water,
which is the beleaguered water people, obviously, the people who
are constantly asking for more money. They've been asked for

(32:21):
a list of contractors. There's some very interesting names on
the list of contractors that they're spending their money on.
They spend some money on the well Being Workshop, which
runs well being workshops, webinars and online courses. They spent
some money at the skin Clinic, the Skin Institute. They
spent some money at the dietitians and nutritionists at Mission Nutrition,

(32:43):
also Mindfulness Works which does mindfulness and mediation, and what
appears to be a Bay of Plenty based avocado and
orchard care service. We don't know how much money they
spent and we don't know what they're spending the money on.
But we're going to have a chat to the boss
at Wellington Water will be with us. Just have the
half past five. This is not a good look for him,
is it. But on the subject of Wellington, Andrew Little

(33:06):
wants the big old job there the mayor. He's going
to be with us straight after the news and then
Nichola Willison why she's giving the Reserve Bank more money?
Newsti CB.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Digging through the spin to find the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oring It's Heather Dups on drive with One New Zealand
Let's get connected News.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Talks V well Good afternoon. Wellington's worst kept secret is out.
Former labor leader Andrew Little wants to become the city's man.
He's with us now, Andrew, Hello, Hello, Hea, Why on
earth do you want to do this?

Speaker 9 (33:41):
You look, I wasn't what I wanted to do.

Speaker 19 (33:44):
At the end of last year when I was first
approached about it, I was quite happy being a lawyer,
quite enjoying it, quite enjoying being out of the public limelight.

Speaker 9 (33:51):
But as time has gone on and we've seen a number.

Speaker 19 (33:54):
Of issues, the airport She's issue, the failure to even
put in a bid for a regional deal with the
central government, and a number of other things, and just
talking to people, it's become pretty apparent that the councilors
have become somewhat directionless. And probably in the last three
or four weeks, I've just had so many people from
across the spectrum and from so many different sort of

(34:16):
backgrounds approaching me. I thought, actually, I do have to
think about this again, and I thought, actually I do
have a set of skills that I think can help,
and so I made the decision to put.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
Mate in the ring.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Do you reckon you can win it?

Speaker 9 (34:29):
Yeah, I'm confident I can.

Speaker 19 (34:30):
Look Ever since the premature disclosure last week, and certainly
after today, just the overwhelming feedback I've had from again,
from a whole variety of people. And when I say that,
you know, in the political specture, it's not just the
labor people, it's national people, it's Greens saying to me,
we do need to change and we need somebody who
can bring things together and give us a bit of

(34:53):
direction and have a serious relationship with central government, which
I'm com froment I'm capable of doing.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Okay, so what would you do about the Golden Mile?
Would you scrap it?

Speaker 19 (35:03):
No, I wouldn't scrap it. The contracts have been let
for the first part that's can have to go. My
concern is that right now the Wellington economy is pretty fragile,
protective for retail and hospitality, and the project will cause
major disruptions. I'm of the view that we just those
businesses just cannot absorb that level of disruption. We don't

(35:24):
have to do this straight away, we don't have to
do it quickly. We can do it over a longer
period of time. So I'd be saying, let's RePhase this
in a way that there's as less disruptive as possible.
But you know, it allows the central Wellington economy to
get it on its feet again as we get through
these difficult times.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay, so you do it, but you just do it
a little bit more slowly. What about cycle ways? Would
you keep plailing your head with that massive cycle way project?

Speaker 19 (35:50):
Look what I'm not going to touch any of the
existing cycle ways and look and principle the cycle ways
are important because it means people on bikes can travel
safely around the city. I do question the implementation of
some of them. I go look at Molesworth Street. It's
now down to one lane. I'm not sure how useful
a major aterial route that gets you onto the motorways
into the western suburbs is doing that.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
And likewise to do Andrew because that is I mean,
that is horrific. What's happened to Molesworth Street? So what
would you do?

Speaker 19 (36:18):
Yes, I want to look at it. I mean I'm
not a fan of spending a whole lot more money
to kind of turn it all back again. I do
want to look at the rest of the program and I.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Don't want to that happened. If you were the mayor
at the time, would you let that project go ahead
in the way that it has?

Speaker 19 (36:30):
No, this is the way I think that part of
the failure has been. I don't think this is a
councilor that listens, and I know it does a lot
of consultation. A comment. I've had so many times for
people to say, yeah, look, people turn up and they
have the clipboards and all the rest of them. We
talk to them, but nothing ever changes. And I think
what people feel now is that this is a council
that sort of goes through the motions, but it doesn't listen.

(36:51):
And I would want to lead a counselor that says, right,
we're going to do something and it's going to be big.
Tell us how you think it should go, tell us
you know what the impact will be on you, and
let's adapt it. Let's make sure that we are putting
people on the back for it and causing congestion and
disruption and all the rest of it. Because I'm confident
there are ways of doing these things that can meet

(37:11):
multiple objectives. But we've got to take people with us,
because I don't think people have had a chance to
sort of.

Speaker 9 (37:17):
Get into it.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, Andrew, listen, good luck and thank you very much
for talking to us. Is Andrew Little, Wellington's mayoral candidate.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
To Heather do for see us.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
So the Reserve Bank's getting a funding boost. It's five
year budget is going to go from six hundred and
forty million dollars to seven hundred and fifty million dollars. Now,
this is interesting because this is the reason that Adrian
or apparently quit because he wanted more money. Finance Minister
Nichola Willis is with us. Now, Hey, Nikola, Hi, why
are you giving them more?

Speaker 20 (37:42):
Well, that's not quite right, Heather. You're basing that on
a release from the Taxpayers Union and not for the
first time. They haven't got their facts quite in a row.
So the Reserve Bank requested initially a billion dollars for
the coming five years. We've paed that back to seven
hundred and fifty million. Now, when you compare their funding profile,

(38:02):
what's been happening is it's been increasing every year such
that in the current year they were budgeting to spend
two hundred million. We've said, actually next year one hundred
and fifty million. One hundred and fifty million is twenty
five percent less than two hundred million. It's fifty million less.
And what's more, not just are we taking it back
to that figure, but we're saying we want you to

(38:23):
stop this pattern of the number escalating every year. We
want that to hold steady, but has to require restraint.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Wasn't the funding agreement for the twenty twenty four to
twenty twenty five year just one hundred and forty nine
million dollars. They just managed to save fifty million dollars
across the previous twenty so it's actually the head it
back to exactly the same amount as the last financial year.

Speaker 20 (38:45):
What you're omitting is the fact that the agreement was
then increased in twenty twenty three. So in addition to
what they agreed back in twenty twenty, they came back
for seconds in twenty twenty three, added another forty eight
million to the operating budget that year, and then another
thirty million the following year.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
So those did that not take that to one hundred
and fifty that I'm talking about.

Speaker 20 (39:06):
Well, that was additional to what they had previously agreed
under the five year agreement. They came back for more
in twenty twenty three, meaning by the time they got
to this year, the budgeted spending was two hundred million,
taking the combination of the five year agreement and the
increases that Robertson granted them. So we've said, okay, let's
start again. Let's take that two hundred million figure that

(39:28):
you've got yourselves to peer it back to something more
sensible one hundred and fifty million, and then let's hold
that steady over time rather than continuing this.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Collect why not harder? I mean this is this is consistently.
The problem that I have with your government is that
you guys, you'd tinker right, you could take I mean,
these guys are spending three times what they spent in
twenty fifteen. Ten years ago, they were spending fifty million.
Now they're spending one hundred and fifty million. If you
wanted to, you could slash properly. Why don't you?

Speaker 20 (39:56):
Well, because they do have very important statutory functions there
to deliver monetary policy, stable inflation. They've also had we're
going to be fair financial stability.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
They were doing it okay with two hundred and twenty
five employees only six years ago. Now they've got six
hundred and sixty. That's bloated.

Speaker 20 (40:12):
That is bloated. And that is why I have delivered
a twenty five percent That is why, Heather, I've delivered
a twenty five percent funding reduction. And to put this
in context, when we negotiated this between the Treasury and
the Reserve Bank Board, their starting position was they wanted
a billion bucks. We've got them back to seven hundred
and even point.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Starting ten billion doesn't mean you have to worry.

Speaker 20 (40:35):
Second, the second point that's very important here is that
the Treasury's view was that the lowest number that they
would have comfort with was seven hundred and twenty million.
So we put that to the Bank and they said,
we think that that would curtail our ability to deliver
our very important core statutory functions around financial stability and

(40:56):
monetary policy. I want to look everyone in the eye
in New Zealand, in our international markets and say the
Reserve Bank is getting enough funding to do its statutory functions. Well,
that's an important undertaking for me to be able to make,
and I'm satisfied that this figure puts me in the
position to make that commitment. That's the balance that we've struck.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
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Speaker 2 (42:15):
Z Keller do for cels.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Eighteen past five. Now listen, I'm gonna come back to
the business with Nicola Willis. First, though, we got to
deal with this junk food advertising. So university research is
a calling for rules restricting how much junk food advertising
kids can see, because what they found is that kids
see twice as many ads for unhealthy food as they
do for healthy food. Lisa's i Morninger is one of
the co authors of the reviewing with us. Now, Hey,

(42:37):
leg Sir Kilder, Do we actually think that the advertising
leads to poor decisions from kids? Or do kids just
make poor decisions because they kids and they're going to
buy junk food because they kids?

Speaker 10 (42:50):
I think both are true.

Speaker 21 (42:51):
But you know the best evidence for how effective junk
food advertising is is how much money junk food companies
spend on advertising.

Speaker 10 (43:00):
It's clearly effective.

Speaker 21 (43:02):
And we do know that from all sorts of research
that the more kids see adverts for unhealthy food, the
more likely it is that they go on.

Speaker 10 (43:10):
To consume them. How do we that's when we compare
different types of kids.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
But how do I know that? I mean, because it
seems to me that kids just buy junk food because
the kids, right, you get you give kids, I don't know,
give a kid ten bucks, so go and buy whatever
you want. They're not going to come back with a
salad and the water, are they?

Speaker 10 (43:26):
No, they're not.

Speaker 21 (43:26):
But you know, we would have bought lollies and things
when we were kids and we had the autonomy to
do it. I think today though, there are just so
many ads out there and so many options for kids
that you know, it's really hard to not want to
spend that money on food, Like kids don't always need

(43:46):
a snack, you know, there are other things that you
could spend your money on, Yeah, aren't there if you wanted,
like toys and things like that. But we know that
the more they see junk food advertising, the more likely
it is that they're going to spend it on unhealthy food, right, Okay,
and it makes them want it more, right, So is
the solution though?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Actually I just wonder if we're targeting the right thing here,
would the smartest thing not be to target the parents
because it's actually what parentcy that really is. It leads
to the outcomes for kids.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Right.

Speaker 22 (44:13):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (44:15):
I mean three year example, my three year old is
not going to have KFC because he sees a KFC AD.
He's going to have KS because I see a cafc AD.

Speaker 10 (44:24):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 21 (44:25):
But at some point, you know, as a parent, you
will want to do this. You want to encourage your
child to develop their own independence. So we do start
loosening the apron string. So you know, three year old,
it's what they're eating, is what the parents are giving them.
By the time they're ten, they're walking to primary school.

(44:45):
You know, we want our kids to have the confidence
to go into shops and buy things. So it's you know.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Do you think if that ten years old walking to
the past the supermarket, they're going to go in and
buy a nice, healthy snack.

Speaker 21 (44:58):
My kids walk to intermediate school at tea. No, I
don't think I'm going to But you know that pressure,
that constant saturation and you're hid in your mind of
the fact that there are delicious things out there, does
encourage us to buy them.

Speaker 10 (45:12):
Yeah, I think that does work to make us want them.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Well, I take your point. They don't need to spend
money on junk food. They could spend it on toys,
but they spend it on junk food, and said Lisa,
thanks very much, appreciate Lisa to the morning at whos
Massy University, Professor of Marty Health and Nutrition five twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Two, informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
That'd be right, five twenty four. I'm getting a lot
of texts. I've got to be honest with you. Surprising
number of texts saying that no, saying no to Andrew
Little obviously coming out of Wellington, But I I reckon
Wellington would be lucky to have Andrew Little as the mayor,
given some of the clowns they've had in that job
of late, don't you think. I mean, you might not
agree with everything that Andrew Little did while he was
in government, particularly as the Health Minister, and you might

(45:57):
not like his policy positions. You might not like the
fact that he's going to carry on with the Golden Mile,
but at least he's competent, which is not something you
can say about everybody who's running for mayor at the moment.
I mean, he was widely considered one of the safest
pair of hands in the Adern administration. He is a
very smart guy. He's a lawyer. He's a serious and
professional person who can manage relationships. Even if his alter

(46:18):
ego and AnGR Andy comes out, you can still have
the argument to have a beer with him afterwards immediately.
That puts him a cut above many of the people
who are running for mayor at the moment and many
of the people who've been in mayor in recent years,
and definitely makes him a better candidate than the disaster
that is Tory Fano, who frankly I would not trust
with answering the phones at work, never mind running the

(46:39):
capital city of this country. If I was to better
on it, I would say that Andrew Little will win
the selection. I mean, obviously, never underestimate Wellington's ability to
not elect the best person, because it's got the stupid
voting system and it also appears to be weirdly wedded
to choosing terrible candidates. But if things work like they
should in a democracy, I would say at this that

(47:00):
it's his to lose. He's Labor so he should win,
and well known Labor so he should win some left
votes there. He's a smart lawyer, feels like he sits
to the right of the Labour Party, so he should
probably comfort some right wing voters. He's got name recognition
and he's not an idiot, so the gap between him
and a lot of the other candidates at the moment
is massive. Now, even if he's not your cup of tea,

(47:21):
I will remind you he's not an idiot, so Wellington
would be lucky to have him.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Heather duper Cy Ellen here the why are.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
You going so hard? At Nicola. Have you forgotten how
bad Grant was? Give her a break, mate, She's actually
doing a fantastic job. Well, this is where we're going
to have a debate about it.

Speaker 22 (47:39):
Is she doing a fantastic job?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Now? Nicola was saying to us, Oh, look, you know,
don't forget they was that they were the money was upgraded,
and then it became their added thirty thirty million, and
they added forty million, and it became massive. I'm just
going to tell you that my numbers were correct. They
did upgrade the money for the twenty four to twenty
five financial year in twenty twenty three two one hundred
and fourteen nine million dollars. When they upgraded it to

(48:03):
one hundred and forty nine million dollars. That was the
budget that was set for the Reserve Bank for the
last financial year. Nikola has just slashed the budget of
one hundred and forty nine million dollars to one hundred
and fifty million dollars. Is that a funding cut? No,
that's not a funding cut. So I don't know. Look,
I'm just I just think that most of us can
agree that the country's finances are quite stuffed at the moment.

(48:26):
And I don't know about you, but when my finances
are stuff, boy, when I start making cuts and make
some deep cuts, I don't upgrade. So I feel like
what I want from these nats at the moment is
go hard. Pair the numbers, back slash the budgets. Don't
do this nonsense of pretend that you've cut it when
you add in. I can see through that stuff. Newstalk,
said bd.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
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Speaker 3 (48:57):
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talk to Sharon Zolna after six and the huddle is
standing by very shortly right now. It's twenty four away
from six.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I was telling you earlier that Wellington Water has released
a list of all of its contractors and turns out
they've spent some money in some pretty interesting places on skincare,
mindfulness and nutritionists. Pat Doherty is the chief executive of
Wellington water, Hay, Pat, Why are you guys spending money
on skincare and nutritionists?

Speaker 7 (49:37):
Look, that's about the well being, health and well being
of our staff. It's all part of being a good
employer and looking after them.

Speaker 22 (49:46):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (49:47):
And look, yes it is. I mean a good employer.
These days, good staff are hard to find. You want
to attract them and keep them. Look, we can't afford
to pay compete with some of the high playing contract
so it's important that we show that we're a caring employer.
And sometimes these sorts of initiatives spread across the number

(50:08):
of staff. We have a cheap at the price.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I could just run me through it. So what exactly
are you spending the money on? At the skincare clinic?

Speaker 7 (50:16):
That was skin checks for checking for skin cancer. I
mean a lot of our staff work outside, so that's
just about the welfare.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Of us okay. And the nutritionists.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
That was a series of workshops for our off staff
and our depot staff about healthy eating okay.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
And then the mindfulness is just like you just get
the mind for the fullness people and to relax your stuff, do.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
You That was a conference workshop fee for some of
our people to go to a mental health awareness as
part of a mental health awareness week. It was a
workshop on it. I mean to put this in context.
The full list of suppliers last year we spent just
done four hundred and sixty six million dollars, and the

(51:03):
ones that are attracting attention here we spent a total
of thirty five thousand dollars. I mean, one that was
highlighted was Dive and Ski Limited. What are we spending
the money there for? Well, that for swapping up the
chlorin bottles? Are the oxygen bottles? Are operating apparatus that
we use when we're swapping up chlorin drums and our
treatment plants. Not too sixty at all? Really?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Okay, thirty five thousand for how many staff.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
Four hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I'm just getting out my calculated I'm not going to
pretend that I can do that in my brain because
it's about seventy eight bucks per per staff member. Look
pat for your explanation. Obviously washes and it sounds fine,
But given that you guys are asking for so much
money from rate payers, do you reckon? Rate payers are
going to be thrilled that this is what the money's
being spent on, not on fixing the pipes.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
Look, it's frustrating that we should have released these numbers
right from the start and probably wouldn't have a trade
for so much attention. That was an error and they'll
be released very soon. But we have we have been
painfully transparent with our and our shareholders over the last

(52:15):
five or six months, acknowledging that we're not getting value
for money. But when the savings are that be had
is in the money we spent with our contractors, our
consultants and improving our financial control.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, now listen, speaking speaking of transparency, how on earth
do you guys lose a report that warned you four
years ago that you had financial troubles?

Speaker 7 (52:38):
Well, you appreciate me. Quite a change at the top
in the last last few months. So it was a
report that, to be honest, I didn't know about, but
have only been there five or six months.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Ye, But the change just happened in the last few months.
This thing was lost for years.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Look that I can't explain. I wasn't there then. But
good thing was some of us pointed it out to
us and we decided that will be completely transparent. We
would talk about that as well. I mean that's what
we're trying to do is here are souls. I can
tell you it's not pleasant.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Someday I can imagine. Pat. Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Pat Doherty, Wellington Water Chief Executive. It's coming up twenty
away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
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Speaker 3 (53:30):
On the Huddle with me. This evening got Jack Tame,
host of Q and A obviously Saturday Mornings here on
Ziby and Thomas Scringer of The Maximums Jude Hire, you too.

Speaker 11 (53:38):
Keldy hit me welcome back.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Thanks very much.

Speaker 10 (53:40):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
How are you finding it? You're getting some sleep?

Speaker 11 (53:43):
It's yeah, year some sleep. It's the broken sleep. Hey,
it's not the lack of sleep, it's the broken sleep.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Now, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't
know what aut because I.

Speaker 11 (53:51):
Feel like you've optimized parenting in a way that I
haven't needed.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I'm sleeping on a completely different level. I'm like, Dad's
up there with the baby and she only wakes up
one time a night. That's pretty pretty awesome. But I
don't even care. It's not my problem.

Speaker 11 (54:03):
Yeah, you got to be ahead of us.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Well, well, I do.

Speaker 23 (54:06):
I do?

Speaker 11 (54:06):
I do if I've got a big day the next day.
But you know I want to be a supportive partner.
So what do you do?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
You can you breastfeed? No?

Speaker 11 (54:14):
But I can change nappies.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Oh, you don't change the.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Nappies in the night anymore, do you?

Speaker 22 (54:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
We mate, isn't he two months?

Speaker 11 (54:21):
Two months?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Not cut that out immediately unless he does a pooh?

Speaker 10 (54:25):
But he does do pooh?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Oh, No, you got to stop that. I don't know
how you stop a baby doing post. You've got to
have a chatter about this nonsense anyway, Tom regular Yeah, Thomas, listen,
I don't have a problem with that spend from Wellington Water,
do you. Well.

Speaker 24 (54:43):
I think the principal to keep in mind is don't
commit two crimes at once. They can spend all of
these things on wellness for their employees. It might be
reasonable enough, but they're already pretty unpopular. Just reading today,
there was a stench wafting across the Wellington CBD. So
if they want to be we are seen to be
reliable to the public, things like this don't look good

(55:05):
when they're not delivering their core business, but the spend
per employee wasn't that high.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, I kind of feel jacked like nowadays, I mean, look,
I don't get this kind of nonsense at work, like
we don't have that kind of money in the media,
But nowadays, if you're working in this kind of an
area where it's public public money, that is probably quite normal,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (55:24):
Well, I think, look, I think that there is a
balance to be had, right, and I at the start
of the interview, I was like, there is no possible
explanation for why Wellington Water has spent money on these
things that is gonna that is gonna fly. And then
as soon as pat was actually transparent about it, I
was like, well, I suppose if you staff are out
there all day every day and you've got a system

(55:45):
whereby they can go and get a mold check, it's
hardly like that the you know, the.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Biggest, most lucrative Yeah exactly.

Speaker 11 (55:52):
It's not like a champagne brunch for three thousand people
or anything like that. But it just shows the important transparency, right,
So you know, they have a massive job on the
hands at the moment, like you say, you know, rates
and Wellington have shot up across the region. They're spending
hundreds of millions of dollars of a year a year,
and you would think that, in the interest of transparency,

(56:12):
would be in their interests to go through every single
little bit of expenditure with a fine tooth comb and
be one hundred percent transparent with people so that no
one gets in their head, you know, perhaps an incorrect
idea that actually their rates are being flushed down the toilet.
So yeah, I think tonight, in that interview in particular,
a great example why transparency matters. You just hope that

(56:34):
next time we in the media don't have to keep
on asking questions and demanding transparency that actually they're a
little more proactive. And it sounds from Pat's comments like
that's what they're prepared to do and would be a
good idea.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Thomas Listen, I'm kind of surprised by the level of
vitriol that's being directed at Andrew Little. I would have
thought he would be a reason, like just the fact
that he's competent would make him a better choice for
mayor of Wellington, wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (56:57):
Well.

Speaker 24 (56:58):
I think what's happening here is that Labor are taking
the fight to the Greens. Chris Hopkins comes out pretty
quickly and endorses Andrew Little.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
He's a big name.

Speaker 24 (57:07):
From Labour's front bench. There was speculation the other week
that Craig Rennie might be running for an electorate seat
next election, so Labor are wanting to cement their place
as the left party in New Zealand. So Little doesn't
really have any friends from the right. He's still the
Labor guy who's jumping into local politics and from the
left he's cutting Torri Fano's lunch. And so he's a

(57:30):
big name. He's got a good chance to run in
but yeah, he's not going to be popular in certain sectors.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, Jack, we'll get you'll take on it when we
come back from the break at sixteen. Away from six
the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
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Speaker 3 (57:47):
Back with the Huddle, Jack, Tam Thomas Scrimger, Jack, this
is the kind of thing I'm getting hither the issue
for Andrew Litle, Lizzlthough he has a big name, many
people will still be triggered by the fact that he
was part of the Jasinda regime and they haven't forgotten
the current state that we're in.

Speaker 11 (57:59):
What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I would say
that our dourn government had a whole lot more support
in Wellington than it might have had in other.

Speaker 10 (58:07):
Parts of the country.

Speaker 11 (58:08):
But it's interesting, you know, I just reckon, Yeah, Andrew
Little has already done what it's supposed to be the
hardest job in New Zealand politics, which has been the
leader of the opposition. Well, I disagree. I think being
the Mayor of Wellington is the worst job in New
Zealand politics right now. But the thing is, if you
look at the current state of the council, like the
role of the mayor isn't just to provide leadership, but

(58:30):
it is to try and build consensus around that vision,
right and clearly for some time now there's been an
issue with that in Wellington politics. So you look at
someone like Andrew Little, he probably is much more of
a relative centrist compared to Tory fano right, So you
would say, is Andrew Little more likely to build consensus
with center right members of that council. Maybe he is.

(58:54):
Maybe he is. I think I think that's a good
reason to think he could be. So yeah, I actually
think you know, if Wellington voters are looking for someone
with you know, pretty extensive history in governance, but also
someone who's likely to be able to form some relationships
with either a national led or a labor lead government
in central government. Then Andrew Little might be a pretty

(59:16):
popular option. And you know, you got to remember to
that Wellington has the STV voting system, so it's kind
of hard to work out these things.

Speaker 12 (59:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (59:23):
Yeah, yeah. The other one, the one I always reckon
to watch though, Ray Chung last time. Counselor Ray Chung
last time, he did pretty well in the in the
meural contest, and you know, the early poll suggests that
he's still a pretty popular option.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
So I'll tell you why that was. That was because
there was no other right wing candidate. And now there's
a there's an Andrew Little little cutters lunch because he's
kind of st that's true.

Speaker 11 (59:45):
Yeah, so you've just answered the main question there. Andrew
Little probably can soak up some of that vote.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Yeah totally. Now, Thomas, listen, how much out of ten
are you loving the Mary Parties idea to give Mary
the pension ten years before everybody else.

Speaker 24 (59:59):
Well, for my part, I can't really see any way
that dividing superannuation by race will be good for the country.
If you want to talk about fairness with super, that's
fair enough. Their argument is is that Mary don't live
as long as other ethnicities in New Zealand, so they
get less superannuation. Superannuation, but there are other ways to
talk about fairness. I mean, women live on average two

(01:00:20):
years longer. But even in terms of life expectancy, it's
not the best way to think about super I used
to work a manual labor job. Now I work a
fake job. When I did a manual labor job, I
couldn't do that till I'm sixty five. If I could
do what I currently do for longer than that. But
if you want to talk about fairness, I think the
argument I would put forward is go all the way
means test superannuation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Oh stop it, Thomas, cut it.

Speaker 24 (01:00:43):
Twenty dollars a year. It is half of all welfare
spending in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Heather people new people into means testing. Are you like
you mention pension and you'll somehow manage to find a
way to talk about means testing again.

Speaker 24 (01:00:59):
I had no idea you were such a big state
left winger wanting to give a universal benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
It's because I'm greedy. You should never underestimate my ability
to be greedy. I want my money back, Jack, What
do you reckon? I mean, I'll tell you what. What
perplexes me about this is like, this idea is cooked,
so obviously what Labour should do The minute they're asked
about it is be like, no, that idea is cooked,
We're not going to do it yet. Babs, who's the
finance spokesperson, is like, I'm not going to talk about it.
Why doesn't she just come?

Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
Okay?

Speaker 11 (01:01:27):
As for the is the idea cooked? I mean, there's
no way it's politically palerful. I think we can all
agree on that. I think the the equality versus equity argument,
especially when it comes to something like super is like
a really personent and reasonable argument to have, And if
you could have it in good faith, which I don't
think we can, I think it would be a really
good debate to have. Now, I'm not saying I support

(01:01:48):
the idea of assigning superannuation on the basis of race,
but I do wonder if you could kind of front
end the equation, so say, for example, like what is
it why is it that Mardi a dying seven years
younger on average. What can we do earlier in their
lives so that more Maudi live longer and that actually
we have something akin to a more equal life expectancy

(01:02:11):
across a multitude of New Zealand demographics. Politically, Labor's in
a really tricky position, and I just think this is
going to become more and more of a problem heading
into next year. To Party Maudi have had a whole
lot of success in terms of public support when it
comes to what is generally a pretty kind of activisty
approach to policy, Like they're pretty out there, they're pretty

(01:02:32):
activisty with some of their ideas, whether it's a Mahordi
parliament or whether it's superannuation earlier for Mardi. Labor need
to keep to Party Mahdi close enough so that they
could potentially form a government, but not so close so
that the kind of centrist New Zealand voter loses faith
than the stability of a Labor government or thinks that
they're going to be unduly influenced. So it is a

(01:02:54):
really really delicate balance and it wouldn't surprise me if
over the next week, while at least until closer to
the elite. Labor just says we're not really going to
comment on to party Malordi policy. We're going to have
our own policy. If you want labor government, vote for labor,
and you know that's going to be a harder position
to maintain the closer we get to the elect I
couldn't agree.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Well, guys, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Jack
Tame host a Q and A Saturday Morning is your
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Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Here they tell the staff needing the mole check to
go and buy their own sunscreen. If I turn up
at your place hither to do maintenance and then add
on for my mole check, get a life. It won't happen. Look,
that is a fair point. But the thing about it is,
in professional workplaces nowadays, you do get like you might
not like it, and you might not think it's good spending,
and you you know, you may have a problem with it,

(01:03:49):
especially if you're Wellington rate pay. But the fact of
the matter is the stuff is normal, right, The stuff
is completely normal. I mean I can't tell you the
number of places I've worked at now where you get
like three mental health fitness checks that you're allowed to
go and get every single year, go see a counselor
three times a year. They pay for it. It got
all kinds of weird little things that they do, like that,
you know, maternity leavers paid for you know that kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Blah blah blah whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
There's all this other extra stuff that you nowadays get.
And I mean it's not like had they gone for
a chemical like peel at the laser clinic or something
like that, I think I'd have a problem with that.
But if it's just a mold check, you know it was,
if it was botoxic collagen for the ladies, I'd have
a problem with that. But a mold check, I'm the
you know, yeah, no, it's it's kind of it's kind
of in a different I don't know, have I gone soft?

(01:04:30):
It's possible. Sometimes after a baby, you have hormones and
you sort of just get soft and then it just
takes a while to harden up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
So we'll just see, maybe I'll change you minew do
you catch in one of your mental health cheeks?

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Maybe maybe I just need to go get one of
the mental health am I have used them all up already, actually,
just trying to deal with you. So, but can I
have one of yours? No, he's holding on to it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I think I think me and Laura have used up
that one's as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Sorry, trying to deal with you. No, trying to you know,
he means me.

Speaker 10 (01:04:55):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Speaking of the interest rates, am Z has piped up
allah what we were talking talking about yesterday, because the
Trump tariffs are going to lead to a downturn in
the economic you know, the global economic growth blah blah blah.
So as a result, inflation will be lower and everything's
going to be a bit crappy. So they are now
expecting A and Z the OCR to hit two point
five percent. It's currently at three and a half. They
were saying before it beat just three. Now they're saying

(01:05:20):
it's going to get down to two and a half.
Also downgraded their house price expectations. It was supposed to
grow by seven percent this year, now it's going to
grow by four and a half. Downgraded GDP, not by
a huge amount, but by point three for the next
couple of years and then it kind of goes up
a little bit. Anyway, we're going to talk to Sharon
Zolna about that when she's with us. Us straight out
to the news talk about bad luck. Can I just
tell you quickly, Jesus, South Island's having bad luck. Turns

(01:05:42):
out the reason that parts of the South Island don't
have Internet today is two reasons. Number one, the rats
chewed through part of the fiber cable near Dunedin. Now
why is the fiber cable rat accessible for the first
start anyway? But what are the chances if on the
day that the rats have done that, contractor up in
the area between Gore and Bellcluth also cuts through another cable.

(01:06:06):
What are the chances? Don't even start me on autopilots,
on ships, bolts on trans power pylons now cutting through
the fiber cable. Just just you know, it's New Zealand.
We have accidents, don't we buy the looks of things?
News talks at b.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
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Speaker 25 (01:06:28):
Oh aren't you I need you Olga h need.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
It's beautiful keeping track of where the money is flowing.
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Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Even coming up in the next hour. We've got your
Nativestrane's take on the Maori parties pension lunacy. We've got
Gavin Gray out of the UK, and we're going to
get you a bit of an explanation as how Trump's
farmer tariffs would work. Right now, seven past six. Now,
A and Z reckons that we're headed for lower interest
rates and we possibly previously thought. They reckon the official
cash rate will bottom out at two point five percent.

(01:07:12):
That's down from the three percent low they'd previously expected.
And just for context, it's currently setting at three and
a half percent.

Speaker 10 (01:07:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Sharon Zolna is A and Z's cheap economists and with us.

Speaker 10 (01:07:20):
Now, hey, Sharon, good evening, Why are you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Changing your forecast? Is this because of Trump's tariffs or
is it because of our own sluggish recovery? Or is
it a bit of both, a.

Speaker 10 (01:07:30):
Bit of both.

Speaker 25 (01:07:30):
Yeah, So the economy is recovering, and what's encouraging is
that it's really broad based. And indeed, you know, why
wouldn't it recover because we're coming out of a recession
that was deliberately caused by higher interest rates, and rates
have come down a.

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
Long way, so that's the good news.

Speaker 25 (01:07:44):
But you know, just a few data points lately have
been a bit on the soft side. The housing market's
going now where fast, The services index was pretty low.
The quarterly Survey of Business Opinion suggests there's some downside
risks to the near term GDP and that sort of thing,
and then you've got the headwinds from offshore. Now, it's
too soon to make any concrete judgments on what might

(01:08:04):
happen to our commodity prices or anything like that, but
it does seem pretty likely that some pretty full on
uncertainty is going to persist for quite a long time,
and that in itself is actually quite a headwind for
the likes of investment and employment if firms just hit pause.
So we think there was a bank or just needs
to give the economy a bit more of a push
in the back to make sure it keeps moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
So what's going on with our recovery? Why is it
so sluggish?

Speaker 25 (01:08:30):
Well, I think we fell into a pretty deep hole.
Maybe we broken ankle. You know the new GDP dat it, Well,
it's not that new anymore. But the revisions to the
GDP certainly show that it was pretty rough. Economy found
more than one percent in each of the second and
third quarters last year, so I think, you know, you
do get some damage done from that sort of thing.

(01:08:51):
So it just I think it just takes a while
for firms to believe really that things are going to
get better in that it is worth taking a bit
of a punt on that new employee or that new
machine or whatever it might be. And consumers, yeah, the
cost of living crisis is still real for many.

Speaker 10 (01:09:06):
Inflation has come down a long way, but prices heaven't.

Speaker 25 (01:09:09):
So I think maybe to some extent, consumers are waiting
for prices to fall back to where they should be,
but actually lower inflation just means price is still going up,
just not as quickly. So I think that perception will persist,
perhaps even longer than the fact in terms of everything
being unaffordable.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Sharon, tell me what's your gut feel on the impact
of Trump's tariffs on the global economy. Are we talking
about freak out nineteen thirties depression stuff or are we
talking about everything just slows down and we go backwards
a little bit.

Speaker 25 (01:09:41):
Well, I'm sure we could find any lots of people
bunding at different points on that spectrum.

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
Obviously the nineteen thirties is.

Speaker 25 (01:09:47):
The extreme, but we have seen a lot of volatility
in the markets. But what's actually really caused a bit
of a freak out was the unusual behavior of the
US bond market. So typically when equities crashed, people are
compensated for the bond part of their portfolio. That wasn't
the case, only for a couple of days, but that
was just a little straw in the wind that has

(01:10:09):
made to people jittery. So it's going to take quite
a lot for everyone to just just just accept again
that the US is a safe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Are you saying kind of Are you saying what we
should expect is we have a bit of a slowdown,
but there is the chance that there is the outside
chance that we do head into like worst case scenario
nineteen thirties depression stuff. Again.

Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
No, no, no, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm
saying there is a chance that.

Speaker 25 (01:10:35):
The markets are jitary, and so I think that is.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
Constraining policy options at the moment.

Speaker 25 (01:10:42):
I think some lessons have been learned in the last
week or two about you know, move fast and break
things can have quite serious consequences, so I think they
will tread more cautiously. But you'd be a brave person
to be definitive about what an earth will happen next.
But you know, for in New Zealand's case, the dairy
prices went up, so it's really not obvious that that

(01:11:03):
New Zealander is going to take a clobbering from this
at all.

Speaker 10 (01:11:06):
But that uncertainty thing that looks unavoidable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, hey, Sharon, as always, thank you so much, really
appreciate your expertise. At Sharon's olda A and Z's chief
economists here that as a diabetic life expectancy is less
than average, So will I qualify for an earlier pension?
Just tell you what I do not like this game.
I do not like this game because for once, the
worst thing to be in this game is not a
white man, it's a white woman. Because we are ballers

(01:11:33):
when it comes to living, like no one lives. Oh
maybe an Asian lady, an Asian lady might outlive me,
but like a lady, ladies love to live, we go.
We just keep going. We're like like those ever ready batteries.
We just keep on going. So if we're going to
play this game, I'm going to have to end up
taking a pension later, and I don't like that. I
don't like that game at all, because I wanted it

(01:11:54):
sixty five, if not earlier. If we started giving the
pension to laborers because they were laborers, I would go,
I would start, I would become a laborer. I would
do this job until maybe like sixty and then I'd
be a laborer for a couple of years. I can
get my pension early. That's how committed I am to
getting that pension. So don't want to play that game. Listen,
this is good. This blew my mind. Okay, I was
reading the Economists this morning. I was just reading the

(01:12:15):
Economists this morning. It's just having a little herne on
the Economist. How about you? Did you read the Economists
like me? Yes, I'm clever. I read the Economist. So
now that I've name dropped that, I was reading the
Economists this morning, and I could not believe that I
read that. Apparently in the States you can take a
course on how to be an adult. This is a
university course. You can actually take a course on how

(01:12:37):
to be an adult. It's not just one. There are multiple.
I mean we are talking about colleges, right, We're not
talking about like Harvard or anything. But you know, there
are multiple places where you can go to do it.
An adulting course. Austin Community College offers adulting one oh one.
Boston College offers adulting one oh one. There is an
adulting school in Maine. And what they teach you if

(01:12:58):
you go to this, and people go to this as well,
these courses are available. You learn how to thread a needle,
how to do a different kind of stitch, several different
kinds of stitches, how to mend a torn shirt, how
to fix afraid hem, how to dress appropriately for a
job interview, how to file your income taxes. Now, the
reason that this and also ps it's not there, like

(01:13:21):
it blows my mind that you could do these courses
at universities. But you can do these courses also outside
of university institutions. You can buy books on this kind
of thing.

Speaker 10 (01:13:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
There is a book available that's called how to Be
a grown Up The fourteen Essential Skills you didn't know
you needed until just now, and what they and that
one particularly teaches you things like budgeting, which is just
maths isn't it. Yeah, I don't know why you need
to be taught budgeting, how to handle rejection, how to invest,
how to listen to people.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Lord above.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Anyway, Apparently the reason that young people nowadays are having
to learn how to be an adult when the rest
of us just kind of learned it. I don't know,
and whomen we're not adults is because they spend too
much time on screens. So they spends so much time
to doing away on their phones and their computers and
doing all weird things there that they actually don't spend
enough time in the real world noticing that they may

(01:14:09):
need to put a button on that shirt and therefore
learning how to how to thread a needle and so on.
They also also spend too much time nowadays in education. Right,
So heaps of people like for example, Mike Costing, prime example,
leave school at sixteen, goes off becomes an extremely like
the most capable radio broadcaster in this country. Right. But
Mike Hosking, if he was born right now, would probably

(01:14:30):
sit at school all the way through university and then
go do some honors papers and maybia masters as well. Right,
And if you spend that much time in education, you're
not actually getting out of your parents' house and learning
how to do your own life. Also also not enough
respect for elders. So apparently because your mum and your
grandma can't work the Wi Fi, you think they're idiots,
so you don't want to learn any of the stuff
that they're teaching you, like how to mix a cake

(01:14:51):
or thread a needle, for example. So yeah, this is
what's going on. I mean, Lord, if you ever wondered
about worried about the state of the world, I fear
lie you can. I feel like you've got two options here.
You can either worry about the way the world is going,
or you can teach your children how to thread needles.
And they've already got a Darwinian advantage, you know what
I mean. Sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
By the way, on the Trump tariffs thing, obviously, there's
been a bit of talk about Trump wanting to put
some tariffs on pharmaceutical products and stuff like that. So
we have a chat to doctor Graham Jarvis of Medicines
New Zealand. He's the CEO there be with us in
around about twenty minutes time or thereabouts. Right now, it's
eighteen past six. Now, as we've been discussing, the Marti
party want Marty to be able to receive the pensionetts

(01:15:40):
ten years earlier than the rest of us. So all
of us get it at sixty five and they want
Marty to get it at fifty five. Jenatib Trainey is
The Herald's Wellington business editor and with us, now, how
do you name hey?

Speaker 10 (01:15:49):
Ever?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
All right, how did the guardians of the super fund
react when they heard this completely copped idea?

Speaker 26 (01:15:55):
Well, I think when the Tapati Marti co leader Rahwi
he asked the guardians they were they were a bit shocked.
Because the Superfund is in charge of managing the country's
sovereign wealth fund that will help pay for super in
the future. It's not responsible for setting policy around who
should receive you know, n Z super and when. But

(01:16:18):
as always happens in these select committee meetings that the
politicians run, they always try to use them to promote
their own policies and that's exactly what to party Mary
did in this one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Now, explain to me, because this is this is the
this is the thing that is perplexing me. Why doesn't
Labor just kill us at idea immediately.

Speaker 26 (01:16:39):
Yeah, look, that is the key question, and that's what
really makes this an issue to party. Marty has had
this policy for some time. It believes that age should
be lower because Marty's life expectancy is lower, you know,
and that is that is correct. It is about eight
years lower than Pakiha. But then also Asian people have

(01:17:02):
higher life expectancy than European and others. So it starts
awfully difficult when you look at the different races and
different life expectancies. But that's Party Mahdi's view. Interestingly, Labor
did not shoot this idea down straight away. Now the
reason you think it might is because this is a

(01:17:22):
very controversial view and Labor obviously tries to pitch for
that middle ground. I'm not sure how well this policy
would go down with the middle ground. But interestingly, I
wrote the story that you know said Labor was fairly
tight lipped on the issue. But since then, just short
just this afternoon, the Labor Party came back to me
and said, oh, we're updating our position, and they've categorically

(01:17:45):
said we have no plans to change the age of
super yeah, and would not support targeting eligibility on the
basis of ethnic I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Fair to say that what this was most likely is
just a kind of I don't want to say she's
green because she's not, but just a reasonably new MP
and Barbara Edmonds trying to feel her way politically on
this right, So just a tiny misstep from her rather
than anything massive.

Speaker 26 (01:18:10):
I'm not too sure what happened at the Labor Party side.
I'm not really really too sure, but I think the
bigger picture here is that we have seen with this
coalition government that you know, we if we dismiss minor
parties policies because we think, oh, well, that's never going
to happen. Yeah, you know, you never know what can
happen if the major parties do end up needing that

(01:18:32):
the minor parties support going into government.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
That's a fair point that you make. Actually, you know,
thanks very much, you know, to Prini. The Heralds Wellington
Business Edit. All right, I got to tell you a
little bit more about the crazy stuff going on Wellington
will do it after the break six twenty two.

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Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
V AH got a text from Andy saying the harbor
Bridge is down to two lanes, as in two lanes
in each direction, and Andy is not happy about it.
Brace yourself for tomorrow because Armborbridge probably be all together
shut once the wind probably starts up. It's coming up
six twenty five. So Wellington, okay, So there have been
more fights around the council table in Wellington and this

(01:19:17):
time it's because Ray went and had a fancy lunch
when Ray shouldn't have had a fancy lunch and it
should have been at a meeting. So what happened is
Ray chung now because we're out, we're into it, right,
We're often into it. We got the Meryl campaign starting
up and stuff again. Andrew Little's declared Tory said she
wasn't going to do it, but then she unfortunately decided
she was going to do it. And Rays decided to
do it as well, and he launched his mayoral campaign

(01:19:39):
last Wednesday. And after he launched his mayoral campaign, he
then went to have dinners a dinner with some donors
at the Wellington Club well Tory was not happy about
this situation. Tory's told Ray off publicly because Ray was
supposed to be at a meeting when he was off
having this lovely, lovely kai with his friends who've got
all the money. He was supposed to be at the
Regulatory Processes Committee meeting where they were debating paid motorcycle

(01:20:04):
parking changes to the Karori Cycleway rollout and suburban speed
limit reversals. So you can see why why that was important,
particularly paid motorcycle parking. They needed Ray there to talk
about that. Anyway, she told him off and Ray. Ray
got angry about being told off by Tory, like anybody would,
and Ray responded with the following sentence, Tory is full

(01:20:28):
of shit. I mean, he's not wrong, but that is
the level of whether it's council. I mean, that's the
kind of thing you expect in the school yard. But anyway, whatever,
I couldn't have put it better myself, because when I
read that Tory was telling Ray off, I was like, sister,

(01:20:51):
you listening to yourself. Don't forget. Tory is famous for
not turning out at all kinds of things, so to
have her telling rayof for not turning up lowls. She
is famous for not turning up at half the Airport
Board meetings. That's in the public record, you can google it.
She's famous for not turning up at a regional meoral
forum where they needed to talk about water, which I

(01:21:14):
think we can all agree is quite a significant issue
for Wellington. Didn't turn up at some monthly citizenship ceremonies,
which is the mayor's job. Didn't turn up at a
Government House ceremony, didn't turn up at a commemoration for
the Battle of Crete. Tory has also famously not turned
up in the office at all for weeks on end
because she had COVID about seven hundred and eighteen times

(01:21:35):
in the last two and a half years that she's
been in the office.

Speaker 27 (01:21:37):
So for Tory to tell Ray off for coming to
a meeting, being there for like a couple of hours
and then excusing himself as rich as people say glasshouses, Tory,
or as Ray said, full of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Very interesting take. By the way, on why the young
people have to go to the adulting one oh one courses.
Bear in mind the younger generations have spent more time
in childcare than previously, so they're not bonding as much
with the parents and the grandparents who would have taught
taught them those life skills. And that's true, right, because
if you know how to thread a needle, who taught you?
My mum taught me. But nowadays, I mean, for the
most part, mums are working, right, So unless they're really

(01:22:43):
bleased with having kind of funny hours or not having
to work, who's going to teach the kids to thread
a needle? It's probably some sort of life skills course.

Speaker 10 (01:22:50):
Do we still go?

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
When I was at school, we used to do life
skills It was terrible. All I remember having to sew
was like a really weird little toilet roll thing. H
just like fabrics in the toilet. That's just germ magnet,
isn't it? Anyway? My mum loved it, or she pretended
to it least, just like God lovely let me put
this off the toilet roles as anyway, like, don't do that.

(01:23:12):
But do we still do life skills courses? Because when
I was a kid. We did that and the girls
did the sewing and the boys did the woodworking, which
was an unfortunate division of labor there. Anyway, that will
go some way to explaining why if we don't have
those courses, and that's also why they can't sew their
own blinking heymns, can they? Twenty four away from seven
Now looks like US President Donald Trump will be putting
those tariffs on medicines. After all, pharmaceuticals were exempted from

(01:23:35):
the initial initial wave of tariffs that went out over
the weekend, but then US COMMAS Secretary Howard Lutnik said
they've only been exempted so that the president can put
a different tariff on them later.

Speaker 23 (01:23:44):
Well, if you remember, over the past couple of months,
President Trump has called out pharmaceuticals and semiconductors and orders.
He called them sector tariffs, and those are not available
for negotiation. They are going to be part of making
sure we re sure the core national security items that

(01:24:07):
need to be made in this country. We need to
meet medicine in this country. We learned it during COVID.
We need to make it in this country now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Doctor Graham Jervis is the CEO of medicines New Zealand
and with us. Hey Graham, Hey, how are you heavn
I'm very well, thank you. To the point of this,
obviously is to drive the manufacturing from China back to
the US. Do you reckon it'll work?

Speaker 10 (01:24:27):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:24:27):
Look, I think it's really too early to tell at
this stage what will be happening. I think, and if
I can just say to you listeners and yourself, I
think we need to calm the farm a little bit.
And I'm spelling farm with the phs and pharmaceuticals, So
no pun intended. But look, what the Trump administration is doing,
and what the Secretary has said is that they were
undertaking what they call us Section two three two investigation,

(01:24:51):
and that's looking at things that might be of national
security issue. They will undertake that they've started the process.
It usually runs for over t two hundred and seventy
days in total, but they're open for inputs right now
for the next twenty one days or so, and then
they'll make some decisions around this. So it's a little
bit early to tell what the terriffs may be. If

(01:25:13):
there will be teriffs, they may decide not to do
this at all. So while there is that drive to
have some onshoring. Now, around twenty percent of pharmaceutical manufacture
is done in the United States. The rest of it
they are importing from global supply chains around the world
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
If they were to go ahead with it, and it
was significant enough to kind of cause a bit of disruption,
which undoubtedly would happen for a little while if they
did it, would the impact for us be actually that
we ended up having our market flooded potentially with cheaper drugs.

Speaker 28 (01:25:46):
No, I don't think that's the case. I think because
the global supply chain in the industry itself is quite complicated,
there's many permutations that could happen. It may depend on
things like how companies countries may react to any tariff
that may be put on. But I will just draw
you know, your listener's attention to the fact that the

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industry is working hard at the moment with the Trump
administration to discuss what the implications will be. So, for example,
it is not clear at the moment if there will
be tiff supplied after this section two three two investigation.
We will have to see whether that's the case or not.
There are conversations going on about having a teared tariff approach,

(01:26:29):
which means that the impact is a lot less both
into the US market but also globally as well. And
there are conversations and the companies have indeed started to
do more on shoring. So I'm well aware that there
is more drive to onshuring manufacturer into the USA. I'm
aware of at least twelve new large scale facilities at

(01:26:49):
the innovative pharmaceutical sector is looking at onshuring as we speak,
and that's about an eighty billion billion dollars for b
B billion dollars that has been driven back into the USA.
So there's a lot of things up in the air,
a lot of dust up in the air at the moment,
and we're just not too sure. So I think at

(01:27:10):
this stage too difficult to say what might come into
the future. I think a few things have got to
play out over a period of time, and then we'll
be in a better position to have I think, an
informed conversation around what might be happening from a New
Zealand context, but also globally what this might well mean
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Yeah, Graham, you know, I think that's the best advice
ree Trump is just you know, breathe through your nose
until the man actually does something. Grahama really appreciated this.
Graham Jarvis Medicines, New Zealand CEO. It's twenty away from
seven hither due for see Ellen Heither. Ray Hung has
started electioneering already. He's got my vote. Actually, a lot
of people text in and say Ray gets the vote
just because of what he said about Tory, which I

(01:27:49):
think is quite fun. So I can see how you
can see how you can vote for him just because
he said that. Listen, if you listen to the show
on the regular, you may already know that. I'm very
much of the view that we need to ban social
media for sixteen year olds and under kind of in
the same way that we banned siggi's and alcohol, because
I do think it is as bad for their brain
as siggi's and alcohol. So I would go that hard

(01:28:10):
and I reckon we can ban it if we wanted to.
So it's very interesting to see today that the guy
who used to run Facebook in Australia and New Zealand,
guy called Stephen Sheila, also thinks that we should ban
social media for under sixteens.

Speaker 29 (01:28:23):
I think there's a lot of evidence to shows that
that's a good idea. The restriction, I think is a
good idea. I think the problem is going to be
an execution of how that actually happens and how you
make it happen, because there are there's a lot of
foreigns in that. But I think overall, and as a
parent myself, if you're a parent others, you'll know the
challenges of social media for your kids and leaving its
parents alone to figure it out. I just think it's

(01:28:43):
I don't think it's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
I also found it quite fascinating. He obviously hasn't got any,
you know, any residual kind of lovey feelings for Mark Zuckerberg,
because he was talking about whether Mark Zuckerberg is the
right guy for the moment, and he said he doesn't
have the right that doesn't have the moral fiber to
do the right thing.

Speaker 29 (01:29:00):
He's not a bad actor, he's not a mean spirited person.
He actually wants to do good in the world. But
I don't think he has the moral fiber to do
and say the right things. And I think to do
and say the right thing in this moment was to
not cave in to Trump. I think that's the wrong move.
To make when you're that powerful and when you control
that much of a platform of world information. But I

(01:29:20):
believe that, you know, with the kind of power and
influence that Mark comsc has, comes great responsibility. And I
think at this moment, I feel like he's failed the test.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
I feel like if he hasn't got the moral fiber
to stand up to Donald Trump, then he probably doesn't
have the moral fiber to worry about what tapping tea kids' brains,
you know what I mean? Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy Ellen,
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Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
He's talks d me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Oh, I've got a little Robert Owin update for you.
Actually things kicking off through the bed. I'm going to
get to it shortly. It's called it to seven. Gavin
Gray are UK correspondence with US. Gavin Alo, Hi there, hell, Gvin,
you guys have got these new digital border chicks coming
in jeriy Can. They're going to cause some trouble.

Speaker 12 (01:30:07):
I think there's every sign that there might be a
little bit of chaos at the start, and of course
it'll affect everyone entering or leaving the European Union. So
these new digital border checks really are going to replace
the current passports stamping system that requires everyone from outside
the European Union to register their fingerprints of photo and

(01:30:29):
passport details in order to enter the block. So anyone
listening thinking of going to Europe over the next few
months need to watch out because this will be started
they think now, probably on the first of November of
this year. It is at least a year late, probably more,
and that was because the delays were put in place
because the technology was not yet ready. You can imagine

(01:30:52):
across the twenty seven nations of the European Union how
complicated this is going to be. It isn't just the airports,
but the ports and the roads and the train stations.
It really is a massive piece of organization. And citizens
of countries which are outside the EU and of course
that now includes the UK, will need to register their
biometric information in plenty of time. But there are huge

(01:31:15):
fears that is the EU aims to titan border security,
it may bring long, long delays to some days some travelers.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
What is going on with these fires at the French prisons.

Speaker 12 (01:31:27):
Yeah, very very interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
This.

Speaker 12 (01:31:29):
So the French ministers are now believing that the fires
and in one instance automatic gunfire outside of prison is
a terrorist act, and seven prisons have been targeted right
across the country, including non tern near Paris. And it's
been suggested that these attacks, which began at the weekend

(01:31:49):
are a response to the government's crackdown on drug trafficking.
France's Anti terrorism Prosecutor's office launching an investigation and in
one instance saying a gunman open fire on the prison
gate with a kalashnikov. And there are some threats of
extreme silvere sentences for those taking part, but certainly those

(01:32:12):
that work in the prison service are saying that, you know,
we need more protection frankly, and there should be greater
government action to help protect our prison staff. There are
reports that some of them have been threatened at their
own home and also reports of an arson attack at
officers accommodation, so pretty severe stuff. And all this they

(01:32:32):
reckon because of some kind of a scare tactic, a
retribution for the crackdown on drug trafficking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Interesting, now, listen, what does this chep down this architect
to you know, warrant becoming a saint.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Ah well.

Speaker 12 (01:32:45):
Of course he's often been called the Spanish architect Anthony
Gowni has often been called a sort of God's architect.
He's most famously known in Barcelona, of course, where he's
managed to design the unfinish Segrada Familiar, one of Spain's
most famous religious sites, one of its biggest tourist attractions.

(01:33:07):
And now the Vatican has said that Pope Francis has
authorized a decree declaring that the Catalonian born architect should
be venerable, in other words, the early steps on the
road to a candidate for sainthood being formally canonized by
the Catholic Church. And there's been a long campaign header
for decades actually to have Goudi, who was a devout Catholic,

(01:33:29):
recognized as a saint, and the Archbishop of Barcelona called
the news of joy, and many others are saying about
time he is. As I said, Goudi very very famous.
And even though he died in nineteen twenty six bizarrely
after being hit by a tram while walking to church,
the Vatican says it needs proof of a miracle that
could be attributed to him in post death in order

(01:33:52):
to proceed with the beatification.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
Interesting, Hey, thanks very much. Gavin checked you in a
couple of days, as Kevin gray ow UK correspondent, actually
not check to Gavin in a couple of days. Are
we We're on its Easter Friday, isn't it? So we'll
all be on holidays? And geez what about that weather though? Anyway,
don't don't even think about it. Robert Dowin, this is
this will change this will change your mind. So I
was telling you maybe yesterday about Robert Owin wearing the

(01:34:17):
Bonds underwear and how absolutely thrilled I was to have
not missed that story coming back from maternity leave. Well
he is. He's gone onto the Aussie breakfast television because
there are rumors that his abs in the photo in
the photo series were photo shopped, and he wants to
be absolutely clear about the fact that they are one
hundred percent real.

Speaker 8 (01:34:36):
Mate, everything is one hundred percent reel.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Everything you see in there was all there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
You know, the spider that was right there, the beautiful
big blackheaded pithe and that was all there. The abs,
none of that was airbrushed. That was a lot of work,
a lot of work and very little carbohydrates.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
The reason that I was talking about it yesterday was
because his mum had piped up apparently and wasn't very
happy that he'd done this, you know, to shoot where
he's sitting around in his knickers because it's kind of
off brand for the family and stuff like that. Well,
he actually said it's not as his mumm doesn't have
a problem with it. Because Terry was a former bodybuilder
you'll remember, actually helped him with his post to get
like the maximum amount of ab showing and stuff. It

(01:35:14):
was his sister who didn't love it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
My sister was like, Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 27 (01:35:20):
It's fambulous and slightly uncomfortable.

Speaker 24 (01:35:23):
I don't know. I'm still not one hundred percent comfortable with.

Speaker 10 (01:35:26):
Some of it anyway, But you know what, we did
it and you just got to phone.

Speaker 14 (01:35:29):
It, give it a hundred percent, then tell you buddy's
worse if your sister likes it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Calos, you had to go there, didn't you. What I'm
trying to do here is just encourage you to google it.
If you haven't googled it already, you will not regret it.
Nine away from.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
News Talk ZB.

Speaker 23 (01:35:55):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
You've been on holiday for three months, don't you need
another hole that muzz So it's a holiday to be
back at working. You blinking well know it, So don't
be pushing my buttons mate. Now listen, we've got to
talk about this thing that's gone on Wellington. I don't
know if you've seen it, but the opposition media outlet,
who we will not be naming, has making a meal
of it because we have a situation on our hands

(01:36:18):
here at work. Because what's happened is there is a
woman in Wellington who has a V dub beetle, right,
and she's one of those women who thinks it's that care.
So what she's done is some people do this, right,
They get like eyelashes and they stick big fake eyelashes
on the V above the V dub beetles little lights
so it looks like little eyes and it's the cute.
And then their little pink plasters all over the vdub beetle.

(01:36:41):
And she's got this like leopard print rug thing around
the steering wheel, so you know, we get a lot
of pink and leopard print. You know, I'm building you
a picture. So anyway, oh, mate parks her car in Tarro,
which is a very big suburban Wellington that basically covers
that whole area between you know, like Mount Vic and
Mount cock and and the city. It's like God only

(01:37:01):
knows where in Tiaro. But it's a little bit residential,
a little bit commercial, a little bit of shopping, bit
a retail going on there, you know whatever. So it's
just down from her it's outside her house, I think,
and just down from her beauty salon, because obviously she
has a beauty salon if she's got pink stickers all
over a car and eyelashes and leopard print, you know,
I mean. Anyway, So on Sunday she comes back to

(01:37:21):
find a note on the windscreen and it says, dear
beetle owner, I don't enjoy seeing your silly car with
its silly eyelashes and pink sticking plasters. It looks like
a car version of Nicki Minaj And the note says,
please refrain from parking here. There is a Wilson parking
nearby or other options you'll sincerely the residence of Tiaro.
I mean it's weird, right, Like, why are you so

(01:37:43):
offended by the side of the car, close your eyes.
If she's entitled to park, that she is entitled to
park there. Problem is note is written on a piece
of en z me note paper.

Speaker 10 (01:37:53):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
So we have this little binder, little booklet bind of
things at work that we hand out. We had them out.
Maybe it's a civilian out there who's got a hold
of one of them. They've written it in there, they've
ripped it out and it's just enzed me on the corner.
And so we looked at me. Have we called the
Wellington office.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
I have spent all day trying to get to the
bottom of this, Heather. I'm being met with a wall
of silence, mostly from out of the Wellington office. I
only have one person submit a handwriting sample to me,
and so I can absolutely clear Azaria Howell and the
in the gallery.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
That's beautiful handwriting. Azaria won't have nice hand right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Well, no, yeah, I could barely read Azaria's handwriting. So
I'm quite happy to her. But absolutely nobody else has
been willing to lift themselves out of suspicion. It could
also be you know, somebody else. Apparently we do hand those, but.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
We do hand them out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Apparently we do have mo we do. There's about so
I'm going.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
To go on I'm going to hope. I'm going to
hope that it's not one of our staff. But if
it is one of our staff, I feel like we
need to fire them because that's dumb, isn't it? Like
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
About I being very surprised if anyone who worked in
radio would be so boring as to say that about
that lovely looking card.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
No, we'll just go on the radio and say and
would say, would say way worse than that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
If you're listening, please do see me your handwriting sample. Yes,
just we need to clear.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Everybody's nals game, okay, And what have you got for us?

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
I had some help by Post Malone and Morgan Warland
to play us out tonight because they've announced they're going
to have they had so much fun making the song together,
they're going to do it again. They are going to
release a new song and it's going to come out
on Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Great cool as enjoy see you tomorrow and new some z.

Speaker 22 (01:39:23):
Baby you blame me, baby, I blame you. I'm that
to make this kind of mess up by myself. And
if you go and tell the t.

Speaker 23 (01:40:00):
H.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
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