Full Show Podcast: 16 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Heather Duplessy on Drive.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
With one New Zealand let's get connected news talks, there'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. And coming up today.
Winston Peters has warned Kiwis to leave what he's calling
the ark of danger, which is Israel and Iran. He's
with us after five. Rook van Velden's had to clear
up the Prime minister's whoopsie on the sick leave. She's
with us after five. And happy days for Pyramid and
pools all women because Farmak has done a U turn
on the patches kafuffle.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Heather Duplassy, Allen, all right, have.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
A listen to this for me.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
You've only cut two thousand people for all that noise
of you hoeing through the public service. You've lost two
thousand people out of sixty four thousand.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Yeah, what were you doing a couple of things there.
One is if the trend had continued, you'd have eight
thousand more. So we've actually stopped that.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
That right there is part of the reason why this
government is polled so poorly, because it's all talk, isn't it.
Bugger all action.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm sorry, I realized this is a lot to start
the week with. Like we're starting strident. I don't mean
to continue like that. But were you as surprised as
I was to hear that we've only cut two thousand
public servants? And we even more surprised that the Prime
Minister's explanation is no more than a verbal shrug. This,
I think will be profoundly disappointing to a lot of
people who expected this government to get public spending under control,

(01:27):
and cutting public servants is part of getting that spending
under control. There is no reason why we have as
many public servants as we have today, sixty three thousand.
There is no reason why we have more than double
the thirty thousand public servants that we had in two
thousand and one. Our population hasn't doubled since two thousand
and one, it's gone up about thirty seven percent. If

(01:48):
you were just accordingly, then we should have forty one
thousand public servants, not sixty three thousand public servants. Now,
I would have expected that the Prime Minister would have
a better explanation than simply saying, at least it's not
as bad as labor. Well, maybe so, but I hoped
for better. I hoped for a government that was going
to actually turn this around, certainly more than a government

(02:10):
that just feels like it's actually labor dressed in blue clothing.
And isn't this just the latest example of talk from
this government that is not being matched by action. They
promised to cut spending. Every year they spend more than
Grant Robertson. They promise to get on top of debt.
Every year they add more to the debt. They promise
to stop the race based policies. Oh we just keep

(02:31):
finding them. They keep waving them through unless we bust
them at it. I think this, in part answers the
question that we were asking last week, which is why
is it that three poles in a row was so
tight that it wasn't actually clear if this government would
win an election if an election was held today. This
is why they're not brave enough. They should be braver.
In fact, if they were braver, they might be more popular.
It's worth remembering that for all the hard decisions that

(02:53):
was taken by the Fourth Labor Government, which is definitely
the most transformational that we can think of, right, for
all those tough decisions take in the first three years.
They actually came back with a bigger majority in nineteen
eighty seven. So maybe you get rewarded for doing what
you'll say you'll do, tough as it may be, rather
than just talking tough and then doing very little.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Heather do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Weigh in on it. Nine two nine two is the
text number standard text fees applied now to the dogs.
As we know, the greyhound racing industry will be banned
in New Zealand from July next year. And now we've
found out that the government is looking at making greyhound
Racing New Zealand pay for the admin costs of doing that.
Documents released under the Official Information Act show that there
are plans to take fifteen million dollars from greyhound Racing

(03:36):
New Zealand savings to pay for it. Edward Reynol is
the CEO of Greyhound Racing New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Hey Edward, Yeah, exasinate here.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
What would they need? What would they spend the money on?

Speaker 7 (03:47):
I think it would be largely directed towards rehoming activities,
which the government has brought this sign itself by making
a decision to close the industry in twenty months, assuming
that they would have the greyhound populartionary home by that point,
but now they will not. So this is money we
had set aside for infrastructure development astraight tracks, but it's

(04:08):
also money that could go to support her participants who
are losing their livelihoods in the regions and have had
no consideration provided in terms of what financial supporter compensation
would be provided to.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
So when you say rehoming, what are we talking who
are we paying?

Speaker 8 (04:26):
Here?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Are we paying people to take the dogs?

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Now? This will be the process where the dogs. We
believe it will probably take two years after thirty one
July to rehome the dog population, So this is dogs
being held in kennel's pending and option. We believe that
we are around fifteen hundred dogs at thirty one July
that will need rehoming.

Speaker 9 (04:49):
So would it be.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Sort of providing temporary accommodation until homes are found.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
Until yeah, and training the dogs to be suitable as pets.
So we rehome seven hundred a year is what we
will achieve this year. So you're looking at a two
year prosis. So the government, I think when they made
the decision, all the papers were hopeful that they would
have the populationary home by thirty one July, but I

(05:14):
think their common sense has prevailed and they realize that
won't be possible. The logical thing to do would be
continue racing for a longer period to allow that funding
to continue to come in, so our people would generate
it and come and transition in an orderly fashion much longer. Well,
I think we believe one. I don't believe there are

(05:34):
grounds to dani industry at that point, based on welfare
and the reasons given and looking at the papers, we
don't believe there are grounds. But if it was, you
would need a period. I think that another year or two.
But of course that's beyond the next election, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Hey Listen, I see that Safe has put out a
release talking about the fact that three dogs died last week.

Speaker 9 (05:57):
What happened.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
Two we're racing incidents where they are the most humane
thing to do was euthanize them. I think that's our
third euthanasia and third sudden death since the first of January.
So clearly, you know we've had I think eight euthanasians
and five sudden There's this racing season out of thirty
thousand starters, so that's thirteen out of thirty thousand, so

(06:23):
it's a rate of point four per thousand, which is
from other race administrations. You know, that's a very good rate.
Now any unfortunate, but I think it just needs to
be perspective around it that sadly incidents do happen, and
it's the most humane thing to do. You know, the
dogs are euthanized.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Brilliant He listen, Edward, thank you very much for talking
us through. To appreciate your time. That's Edward Reynolds, Greyhound Racing,
New Zealand CEO. See the texts coming in. I'm going
to get to the inn attack got news though. Ay
for the perimenopausal women because I women women, women multi plural,
because I'll tell you what, if there's something you don't
want to get on the tits of, it's it's a

(07:02):
woman that's going through menopause. Farma's done at Farmax obviously
learned this lesson the hard way. They've done a U turn.
They are now going to fund both of the patches.
So the old patch, the old estradot, they will continue
to fund that and they're also going to fund the
new one. The Myland, and I'm not It's not clear
whether women will be able to pick which one they want,

(07:23):
but I suspect that would be the case, in which
case women are just going to pick the Estradot, aren't they.
I suppose maybe if we're run out of Estradut, which
is the problem, then you go for the Myland. Anyway,
we'll have a chat to doctor Linda Dere, who is
a Meno doctor. As she calls herself about half pus
fiver thereabouts quarter pass four.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
It's the Heather to Pussy Alan Drive Full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by news talk.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Zeb Jason Pie and sports talk Hoosters of us A Piney, Hello, Heather,
So Auckland said he lose ten nil to this German squad.
How embarrassed should we be?

Speaker 10 (07:57):
Ah, Look, no one wants to lose ten nil. There's
always looked like it was going to be a mismatch.
Someone said to me yesterday Auckland City against Buyer Munich,
that'll be that'll be a big score.

Speaker 11 (08:07):
I see.

Speaker 10 (08:07):
Look, yeah they'll lose, but it might be like a
three or four nil. I didn't expect ten nil. I
don't feel like any team should lose ten nil, but
buying Munich are that would just show ruthless efficiency in
many ways. I kind of rate the fact they didn't
ease off. They could have easily done that. It's a

(08:27):
really really big defeat and Auckland City now have to
turn themselves around and get ready. Remember record, this is
not Auckland FC for people who are confused, it's Auckland City.
They are amateur players. Their airdressers and real estate agents
and forklift drivers. So you know, perhaps we should have
seen this coming. They've been very good domestically here for
a long time, but up against a team like Bayern

(08:48):
Munich Gazillionaires, it was always going to be tough.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Okay. So the question is this has come about because
the club, this particular competition has been expanded, hasn't it
from about was it sevent teams to thirty two teams?

Speaker 9 (09:00):
Isn't that bang on? Yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
So why did they do that?

Speaker 10 (09:04):
Only one reason, Heather, and if you know FIFA, yeah,
you've got it in one. That's the only reason. It's
to further inflate the bank balance at FIFA. HQ, You're right,
used to be seven teams Auckland City normally qualified for it.
They go off and play one game against one of
the other lower ranked teams and only the winner of
that would go through and Auckland City more often than
not would come home. They did progress occasionally, but now

(09:26):
that it's a thirty two team, you know, it's a
group of four. They've got to play ben Fica and
Boker Juniors, you know, two big teams from Portugal and
from Argentina, so it's a group of death for them. Look,
it's a great experience, but I'm not sure you want
to be losing ten.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Now, Okay. I looked at him, thought, finally, if there's
a silver lining in this is that surely we're going
to get better. But how long is that going to take?
How many years?

Speaker 6 (09:49):
Well?

Speaker 10 (09:49):
Yeah, don't I don't know that this is an improvement
situation necessarily. Heither, I don't think that this is you know,
Auckland City, like I say, are an amateur football team
who do well domestically and use this would be like
this would be like a club team in the UK,
a club rugby team who have jobs during the day,
playing against the All Blacks. That is what it is like.

(10:10):
It is like it is an amateur team against one
of the best teams in the world.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
That is what this is. It's a mismatch.

Speaker 10 (10:18):
And like I say, even as I'm saying these words,
I don't know why I didn't predict a highest school
one when I spoke to that person yesterday.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Okay, now, not surprisingly that the Chiefs have made it through,
so the Chiefs via the Crusaders, and where they're playing
this is.

Speaker 10 (10:31):
In christ Church, where as we know, the Crusaders have
never lost a finals game. Never ever has a team
gone to christ Church for a knockout game of Super
Rugby and won that game. It's an incredible record. But
I don't know that matters on Saturday night. You know,
I'm not sure the chief series up the go down
good enough one percent. And you know what, the one
guy I keep coming back to when I look at

(10:52):
these two teams and who might run out there on
Saturday night is Damien McKenzie. I keep coming back to
him in the way that he is able to influence
the game of rugby.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Rivers.

Speaker 10 (11:00):
Rayhannah for the Crusaders is a decent enough player, but
he ain't Damien McKenzie. I think he might have the
biggest say in this game a couple of days before
the all Black squad is named. So look, it's a
coin flip. Really, the tab can't separate the two teams.
It's going to be a heck of a game, I hope.
But yes, if anyone can do it, the Chiefs can.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Brilliant stuff. Hey Piney, thank you very much, really appreciate it.
That's Jason Pine and sports talk hosts. Okay, here are
some facts around this competition. Okay, So our team, this
is the one that lost to Bayern Munich. Our team
is comprised. This is our football team in Auckland of teachers, students,
real estate agents, forklift drivers, a fizzy drinks salesman and

(11:37):
a warehouse manager, as opposed to them who have Harry Kane,
for example. The good news is that Auckland City stopped
Harry Kane scoring. The bad news is that some other
blokes scored ten times. Frank mo, who writes for the
Bavarian Football Work, said it would be cheerlish to claim
that the players could be proud of themselves after that match.

(11:59):
After all, they had just lost ten nil, which is
the new record for the biggest loss in the competition.
So at least we've got something to remember. But their
early resistance was admirable and they genuinely never gave up.
These players were clearly happy to be there despite everything,
and it showed that's the good stuff. The explanation for
what went wrong here is the following stats. The German

(12:19):
champions had thirty one shots, seventeen of them were on target.
Auckland had one shot. It obviously wasn't on target because
it didn't go in. We are ranked as Auckland in
the OPTA World Rankings nine hundred and fifty seventh. They
are the German Championship champions. Auckland City has a combined

(12:40):
market value of just five million dollars, whereas their whole
squad is worth one billion dollars, so we were never
going to win at like even close four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff, it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
That'd be whether it's a really dumb decision to send
Auckland City to the club championship. Why didn't they send
this as New Zealand for ball, either Auckland f C
or the Phoenix bas that would be because they don't
send anyone Auckland City qualified and the Phoenix and Auckland
f C playing the Australian Australian League, so it's a complete
They don't even play in New Zealand. Not even part

(13:19):
of this, not even a consideration at all. Heither, how
about we put menopausal women in charge of the job
cuts at government departments? Now you're talking, Now you are talking.
No one would escape that. The razor would cut so deep,
wouldn't it. We'd save because millions of dollars. Hither, I
couldn't agree more. Christopher Luxen's all talk. Hither the Prime
Minister did say they've taken out more backroom jobs and

(13:40):
added more frontline jobs overall net two thousand job loss. Ah,
hang on at tack though, let's cut through the spin.
He said, what did he say?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
He said, oh, we've added seven hundred corrections officers or
something to that effect. I don't really know what it was.
Seven hundred frontline job officers, jobs like correct offices. Just
remember when we are up fifteen thousand public servants on
the number that was there when Jacinda took over, right,
so it was forty eight thousand or thereabout. We're now

(14:13):
it's sixty three. That's not all frontline, right, even if
they should at the very least take it back to
the start of Jacinda's rain when she went she and
Grant went Nutso they should at least take it back
to that point. And that's not all all that fifteen
thousand fat is not frontline workers. And you know that.
Hither I changed my voting allegiance to National as they
promised to cut spending and to get us back on track.

(14:34):
Rather disappointing that they are doing neither, I need to
seriously consider who I give my vote to the next
time I feel like a lot of people will be
feeling like this. We're going to talk to Nikola Willis.
She's going to be with us after six o'clock and
you absolutely bet we'll talk about that. Also, listen, just
on what's going on in Iran and Israel. Winston Peters
spoke to media earlier about the situation. There are forty

(14:54):
six kiwis in Iran and seventy nine in Israel.

Speaker 12 (14:57):
It's not the first time we've said, look, this is
a very potentially dangerous circumstance and if you can possibly
be removed from this arc of danger, then get out.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Of here, So telling everybody to leave. Basically, he is
going to be with us after five o'clock. Next up, though,
let's go to Australia. Got Oliver Peterson there standing by
for us news talks. He'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Their days coming.

Speaker 13 (15:22):
So if this were.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Man putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks, they'd be aving.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Have a they're away to my.

Speaker 14 (16:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I totally drew with you about the two thousand bureaucrats.
What a joke, And I bet they're earning about one
hundred thousand dollars each. Well, hang, you're a tech. No no, no, no,
don't don't sell yourself short like that. How much was
the chap what's his name now, who's now the head
of communicate we're talking about him last week, head of
communications at the Disabled People's Ministry. He's getting two hundred
and fifty eight thousand dollars a year, so one hundred

(16:20):
thousand would be What are you doing for that basic
data entry?

Speaker 13 (16:25):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Are you just standing there at the door letting people
in for one hundred thousand. You's got am higher in
the public sector. Listen. Rules are tightening up on the
vapes from tomorrow. There will be no more disposable vapes
that will be sold from tomorrow. The vape shops cannot
display them in store, they cannot advertise them. I think
they can't display them on the ad on the website

(16:46):
as well, because that's essentially displaying them on It's equivalent
to displaying them in store, isn't it, or advertising them?
So I suspect that, Well, I don't know how they're
going to do this. Man, if you want to buy
your weird vape stuff, your vape juice or your vape
stick or whatever it is that you want to buy,
how do you know what you're buying if you don't
see a picture of it. I feel like it's going
to make the online purchase quite hard. We're going to
get you across this after five o'clock. Speak to somebody

(17:07):
who is who's across these rules for us? Right now
it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's the world wires on newstalks.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
They'd be drive an Iranian missile attack on the Israeli
port of Haifa has injured fifteen people. Israel and Iran
have been firing missiles and droves at each other since Friday,
and there have been hundreds of deaths. The Iranian president
says he holds the US responsible for Israel's attacks.

Speaker 15 (17:29):
And a conversation that Usmvoy Steve witchcaff had with our
foreign minister, he said that Israel cannot do anything without
our permission, meaning these recent strikes is also co ed
out with America's permission.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
The Minnesota shooting suspect has been arrested. He surrendered shortly
after he was spotted in the town of green Isle.
He's a former police commissioner.

Speaker 16 (17:49):
This is a very positive conclusion to a very dangerous situation.
Other people could have been injured or killed. The suspect
might have been killed or killed himself and kn' been
brought to justice.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
This is a good ending.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And finally, if former NASA official reckons UFOs don't come
from other planets, he reckons If you see a mysterious
object in the sky, it probably belongs to the military.

Speaker 17 (18:14):
I would not be surprised if there are some people
in the military that played along with that In order
to seal stealth technology that is really remarkable and they
just don't want to share that with other countries.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
The official says he used to get a lot of
calls from people who said that they've been abducted by
aliens when he worked at NASA, but he'd always just
tell them to go and see a psychiatrist.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Olli Peterson sixty U Perth Life Presenters with us OLI.
Hello mate yet ahead that So, what's Elbogna say to Trumpy.

Speaker 18 (18:48):
Well, he's going to tell him that he should put
his big boy pants on and just to get along
with Orcus, because he says, a safe Australia in this
part of the world is what America acquise too for
each other's security. That's a bit of a tough talk
that he's trying to tell Australian reporters in Canada at
the G seven before they have a chin wag tomorrow.
I'm just hoping that Donald Trump remembers his name because

(19:11):
he's had a little issue in the past. You murm
when Malcolm Turble went met him and he he's press
svit Prome miniter to Trumble, So let's just hope he
knows who he is, and.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I mean only be fair to Trump. Biden, remember, but
it didn't Biden forget Somo's name, So you guys have forgettable.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well maybe we are.

Speaker 18 (19:28):
It's a bit like New Zealand. But I think that
you'll find that Donald trumple just basically say hey, mate,
lift your defense bend of three percent or you can
get stuffed.

Speaker 9 (19:38):
So that's probably where it's going to light land.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
That's probably How were you guys feeling about this Orchestra review?
Do you see this as just sort of going through
the motions and the thing will survive.

Speaker 18 (19:48):
I think that's the optimistic view for most Australians. But
when we see what the United States is now all
about under Trump two point zero, maybe we do need
to have that wider conversation about all of our allies
and what our objectives are and who we want to
work closely with. Not saying we say goodbye to the
US no way in the world, but yeah, sure, let's

(20:09):
go through the review process. The issue is, though we've
upset the French, they're not going to give a submarines,
so there's not too many other people or countries that
we could go to that might want to build our submarines.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I don't think we'd go to China. I just don't think.

Speaker 18 (20:21):
That's going to happen, Heather. So this is a this
is a really really I'm being flippaned, but this is
such an important meeting that Anthony Aberanezi is about to
have with Donald Trump and just how that relationship is
going to continue to stand the test of time. I
think ultimately the right people would be in Donald Trump
ere to say how important Australia is and by extension
New Zealand is, to obviously still being friends in our region.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Now, how does Chap end up getting shot in Balley?

Speaker 18 (20:48):
Well, this video is it's really confronting it from a neighbor.
It's something like thirty odd shots and you can hear it.
But police have Just a short time ago Heather arrested
a suspects related to that shooting incident which has killed
an ossie and another injured another in Bali. Zivan Radmanovich
was killed on Saturday when two men broke into the
villa he was staying in the tourist hot spot of

(21:11):
Can they do.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Have or the dead man.

Speaker 18 (21:15):
Now, Zevan Radmanovich has links to the Melbourne underworld, so
we all think of when I say that underbelly and
that successful series of about fifteen years ago, those gangland
shootings in Melbourne have now moved to Ballei, which is
for all sorts of reasons very worrying. But Balley Police
are they now arrested a suspect related to that shooting
incident and they have not released any more information at

(21:36):
this moment. Witnesses heard men with the Aussie accents fleeing
the scene, so it is believed the shooter may be
known to the victim. But obviously that is just breaking
news which is coming out of den Pasar as we speak.

Speaker 13 (21:49):
Ollie.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Now, this business with Amazon investing all this money and
data centers, why why Australia.

Speaker 18 (21:55):
Well, they say a demand is growing over here, the
fact that we need it. We need a bigger data center.
We're gonna be a regional data center. So look, maybe
some of what you're going to get out of out
of these Amazon data centers will be feeding across the Pacific,
and maybe we're going to hold some of some of
your data over here as well.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I will trust you with it. Thank you, Oli, appreciate it.
Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life Presenter. I feel like
that was supposed to sound slightly sinister from him. What
do you think? What about by what?

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Jeez?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
The Prime minister's having a day of it, isn't he?
So he's basically the Prime minister is the reason why
we've had this big sickly kerfuffle today. So I was
listening to obviously, I was listening to him with Mike
this morning, as we all were, and I heard him say, oh, yeah,
Brookmanvelden's looking at cutting sickly from ten days to five days.

Speaker 13 (22:45):
I thought, geez, are you sure, mate?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's not your government policy. It's alarming when I know
more about his government's policy than he does. Because then
he went on another radio station, Arin Zid repeat it.
They obviously they were listening to Mike as well, because
of course they were, because they want to know what's
going on in the world. So they said, oh, we
better ask the Prime minister that question. So they asked
him the question, and even by then he didn't like

(23:08):
he should have been like, why all these people asked
me this question? Mat He said, Yep, Brook's looking at
it ten days down to five, I thought, geez, you're
repeating it. What's wrong with you? Anyway, it's not true
because that's not the government's policy. So Brooks had to
come out today and clear it up, and she said
to go, no, we're not doing that. Actually, we're just
doing the pro rata thing, which is where if you're
part time you get five days and if you're full

(23:30):
time you get ten days because and you know, if
you work thirty percent of the time, you get thirty
percent of the second leaf. Blah blah blah. That totally
makes sense. Anyway, I feel a bit sorry for Brooke
because Brooke actually had a really great announcement today, which
was that she was bumping up because you know, Brooke
Brook taketh a lot, you know, from the women, and
so she's responsible for that. So she's announced today she's
bumping up the old pay parental leave and that was

(23:51):
a good news story. But it got completely Oh nobody's
talking about that, are they. They're talking about how they
almost took the sick leave away from us and then didn't. Anyway,
so we're getting Brook on the show after five o'clock,
so brook can at least have her chance to shine
outside of the shadow that her prime minister has cast
on her. Jeez, what a day for Chris seventeen away
from five.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
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Speaker 3 (24:15):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us. Now, hey, Thomas,
A good afternoon. Okay, So the sick leav kerfuffle that
was unnecessary, wasn't it?

Speaker 19 (24:22):
That was quite unnecessary? The Prime Minister on his morning
media around this morning, was asked about whether or not
the government was looking to reduce the number of sick
days that that workers get. He basically alluded to the
fact that brook van Velden was doing work in this
area and that, you know, options were open to the government.
So everyone quickly he wrote up stories that suggested that
that said that the government was open to, you know,

(24:44):
halving people's sick leave entitlements. Brook van Velden quickly poured
cold water on this. The government is looking at a
system for part time workers, like a pro rated style system.
So that's Brooklyn Veldin's exactly as we might need to
do things about pro rating sick leave as well, because
people who are on time part time contracts are getting

(25:05):
full time ten day equivalency. A pardon me that was
that was Prime Minister Christopher Latson's remark. But but we're
we're not looking at completely having the the the entitlement
from ten days to five days. So a bit of
a bit of a miss.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
So he caused his own government kerfuffle for the day.
Now would you expect I would have I would expect
that he knows better than this what's going on?

Speaker 11 (25:29):
All right?

Speaker 9 (25:30):
Yeah, he is.

Speaker 19 (25:33):
He does have quite an executive or chair of the
board style where he's not in the weeds any py
minister's portfolios. I think that has a benefit. I think
you'd see, like just into a don sometimes would would
get quite in the weeds and other people's portfolios. Christopher
Latson is that isn't Thomas.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
There are better examples there. Helen Clark was across absolutely
every single piece of detail, even if she wasn't a micromanager,
and so was John Key. They would never make mistakes
like this.

Speaker 19 (26:00):
Yes, and that is the other side of it, you know.
I mean Helen Clark and John Key remarkable for probably
knowing more about some portfolios than the ministers that held them,
and and the issue.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Even if you didn't know, right, even if you weren't
across all of these details, surely you just it would
occur to you as a politician that taking away fifty
percent of someone sickly would be a reasonably big political issue,
and maybe you wouldn't just say that out loud.

Speaker 19 (26:26):
Well, I am surprised, as you say, I'm surprised that
that there isn't a book of you know, red flags
that the pre Minister is aware of. That it was
sort of like like that old mind sweeper game that
used to play on old computers. I'm surprised that that
that that he doesn't have it at a hand, the
sort of a knowledge of the very real issues that

(26:46):
the government's going to face in the next six months
and knows how to handle them delicately. But but yeah,
you know, yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
It is.

Speaker 19 (26:52):
He probably lost a very valuable morning when he probably
want to be talking.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
About I mean, not the biggest, not the biggest mistake
in the world, right, But but but it's forming a
bit of a pattern because it's not the first time
he's done this, is.

Speaker 19 (27:04):
It he is he is very easily, he very easily
talked White ties himself a knots of the morning there.
I just did it myself on the on the morning
media circuit. He he, It is that detailed issue. And
when when when people Smith sniff that he has gone
off topic or he doesn't know what he's talking about,
you know, that's where he really he really leads leads

(27:27):
himself astray. And it didn't that didn't need to be
the spad he I mean just into were doing again.
She could quite definitely sort of stone more people. It
was annoying because you knew she wasn't giving you the
whole answer. It was very annoying from time to time,
but but it did avoid situations like this.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Now he will be much happier. I think this is
his happy place when he's off around the world doing
doing foreign policy. So he's heading to China tomorrow.

Speaker 19 (27:51):
Yeah, yeah, very early in the morning, so he's he's
he's catching the dreaded boeing to China. It's a it's
a you know, the government's defense force plane doesn't have
a very long range, so it's going to take three
flights to get to get to China. It is his
happy place. Tourism and international education are the big goals
of the trip Chinese visitor arrivals. The Chinese tourism market

(28:14):
is sixty percent of pre COVID level, so we really
need to get that back up. There's a visa announcement
this weekend to make it easier if you're a Chinese
tourist with a visa for Australia, much easier now to
hop across the ditch to New Zealand. So that seems
like a really really positive initiative. International education is the
other big one for New Zealand schools and universities, so
they're trying to ang some deals to get a bit
of that, a bit of that coming back to New

(28:35):
Zealand as well. It is his heavy place. He likes
that he's quite good at it. He hasn't been to
China before his Prime minister, so we'll see how he
does there.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Good stuff, Hey, Thomas, as always, thank you so much, mate, appreciated.
That's Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political editor. Air is nine
away from.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Five putting the tough questions to the newspakers, the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Time is where there's twenty seven thousand people more are
on a benefit in May that once again is not
a good for the economy.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
What's happening. No, that's not good.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
We're trying to get spending under control, which gets inflation down,
gets interest rates down, gets the economy growing.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's good the last. But the le figures as the unemployment.
That part fell apart.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Your theory was you've got your spending under control to
a agree where this point now stuck. Well, no run
out of part way donantcy where the economy is growing.
That theory that April may was a problem, but hang
on the latter part of twenty five will be fine.
Doesn't seem as real as it once did.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, I mean we always knew unemployments the last, but
that has to come right after those first four bits.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Defender Octor News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Hither we almost got a break for small business. It's
always that one employee that uses the five days six
leave to take the person. Now they use the ten
days sick leave to take the piss dave, thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So there is a.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Little bit of them. Of course, there will be a
little bit of an appetite for that. Hey, Donald Trump
is considering adding another thirty six countries to the travel
band list, and this time it's country is actually not
that far from US, including Tonga, Tuvalu, and Vanawante. Now
they haven't said why, but the existing list had a
bunch of reasons for why any country might be added,

(30:08):
and it's not all of the reasons. It could be
any one of these reasons, but it might be foreign
terrorists come from that part of the world, or other
national security threats. Lack of a competent government, lack of
a cooperative government. For example, if the US asks them
to take certain people off lists and stuff and they
don't do it, then they're not cooperative. Lack of reliable
identification documents like passports, anti Semitic, anti American. Could be

(30:29):
any of those reasons. Not sure at the moment which
one it is. Fozzy. Now Fozzy's book has come out
there is well, actually Fozzy's book officially comes out in
two days time, but an extract of Fozzy's book has
been published over the weekend and man Alive. I don't
know if you read this, but boy did he have
a breakdown in the relationship between himself and Mark Robinson,

(30:51):
who's now headed out the door. As well. He tells
in this particular extract that was published in the Herald,
He's in South Africa and they have just remembered. Remember
there was all that talk about Fozzy needing to be
fired at this stage, and Mark Robinson flew over to
South Africa basically to fire him. But then they won
the Test against South Africa and then the firing was off.

(31:11):
And so he tells about that. He said that. So
he says, the All Blacks leaders like Sam Caine and
Ardie Savier and stuff had a meeting with called a
meetings Mark Robinson basically to advocate on Fozzy's behalf. That
evening there was a rooftop barbecue held for the team
at the hotel and when Robo came back he had
finished that meeting. He sat down near me and tried
to chat normally. That was good. I was pleased he

(31:32):
was there and enjoying the moment. But the respect I'd
had for him previously had changed. It was a hard
relationship for me to figure out how to be because
I felt there were so many things happening around me
and behind me. There was not a lot of trust
between us anymore. I would even say there was zero trust.
I went to bed feeling satisfied with what we had

(31:52):
achieved that day, which was the win. As I was
about to turn out the light, my phone lit up
with a message from Robbo asking if I was available
for a chat. I knew he was going to do
a media conference the next day, and what he wanted
to do was say he'd spoken to me before he
announced whatever he planned to say the next morning. I
didn't want to ruin my night, so I turned my
phone off.

Speaker 13 (32:14):
How brutal is that?

Speaker 3 (32:15):
How do you think Mark Robinson feels about that today?
Reading they would have opened the paper been like I
always wondered why Ian Foster. I thought Jesse's in bed early. No, No, Mark,
he got your text. He just totally blanked you.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'll tell you what. I'm already loving Fozzy's memoir more
than Jacinta's Becausejacinda had absolutely no good gossen it whatsoever.
This is already delivering heaps and heaps. Winston Peters is
with us next on this situation with Israel and Naran Newstoks.

Speaker 13 (32:44):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Digging through the spins to find the real story. Ory
it's hither dups On drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
That'd be.

Speaker 13 (33:16):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has warned Kiwis in Iran and
Israel that they should get out of the ark of
danger if they can. The conflict between the two countries
has been escalating their new bombings in both countries today.
In fact, currently knows of forty six kiwis in Iran
and seventy nine in Israel, and Winston Peters is with
us now.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Hi, Winston, hello, how are you?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I'm well? Thank you now? As the airspace in both
of these countries still closed.

Speaker 12 (33:42):
To the best my knowledge, yes, So how.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Do people get out?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
They got to drive.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
And where do they drive to.

Speaker 12 (33:51):
The nearest.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's a good question.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Well, if you are you know in Iran you want
to get at Isa Bazaan, that'll be eight hours driving,
but then you'll need to be ensure that you can
make the distance. And these are all sort of considerations
where we are trying to help people if they're seeing advice.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
And does it sound like these people actually plan to leave?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
It depends.

Speaker 12 (34:19):
It's the evolving and possibly worstening situation that will make
people's minds up all we can do is given the
best advice possible on an hourly basis.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Sometimes Winston, how long do you think this is going
to go on for?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, I hope not for too long.

Speaker 12 (34:38):
And really it's a great concerned because basically, in the
end this country is for peace not war. I mean,
are where for diplomacy and talking rather than fighting and
all the misery that goes with that.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
We had Elger Lispi on the show on Friday. He
reckons this is not World War three. It'll be contained
regionally basically because doesn't have any allies will come to
its assistance.

Speaker 12 (35:02):
What do you think, Well, because the Ruan's past behavior
and the number of proxies they've got doing horrific things
in the Middle East, he could be right. But I've
never made a comment about a certainty here into the
future without being ultra cautious about things like that. Our

(35:24):
job is to try and bring about peace.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And now do you think that Israel has done the
right thing?

Speaker 12 (35:32):
Well, look, we're not excusing anyone because we say at
this point in time, there are no innocent actors. At
a certain time. Your justification for your behavior if it
is prolonged and out of all proportion to the original offense.
Then that changes the script. But our job is to,
as I say, keep New Zealanders out of harm's way.

(35:56):
O post military conflict in esculation, our post in nuclear run.
We opposed to people starving in the streets and dying
for military contact conflict. Brother, and we've designated certain people
as being terrorists because by.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Reason of their behavior.

Speaker 12 (36:10):
Okay, we've totally balanced about this.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Well, if we don't want a nuclear armed to run,
then you're going to have to blow up their nuclear
facilities or take out some of the key players, which
Israel has done. Therefore Israel has done the right thing.

Speaker 12 (36:21):
No Ah, Look, we do not look at things that
way in terms of making an answer. The legality of
what a country is doing is based on the evidence
that they can provide, and that's yet to come.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
All right, Winston, thank you, has always appreciate it. Winston
Peter's Foreign.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Minister together do for see Ellen, let's get to.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
The bottom of what is happening with sick leaves. So
the Prime Minister hinted this morning that the current ten
day allowance might be cut back to five.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Well, there's some changes coming through on workplace relations where
we go.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
So we had five sick days until just decided we
needed ten correct for COVID. COVID's now can we agree
that it's gone? Yes, and we might need to know
something about sickly.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
We might need to Brook van Velden is the workplace
relations minister?

Speaker 9 (37:05):
Hebrook, Hey, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Thank you? Are you cutting it back then?

Speaker 6 (37:11):
No?

Speaker 20 (37:11):
So let me just clarify a few things. So what
we are doing is saying, is it fear that someone
who works maybe one day a week two days a
week gets the same sickle entitlement as someone who works
full time? We would say no as a government, but
there's there's no agreement from cabinet at the stage to
look at changing the overall ten day entitlement and strip

(37:34):
that back to five. We've only agreed to pro rating sickly.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, So how did you feel when you heard the
Prime Minister saying this on not one but two radio
stations this morning.

Speaker 20 (37:46):
Well, look, I think we've also just got to, you know,
give people the ability to be human. You know, I
don't expect anyone to be an encyclopedia from year ago.

Speaker 13 (37:56):
Don't make excuses, Brook.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
I listened to it. I thought, geez, that's not your
government policy. I'm just a numpty listening to the radio.
If I knew it, Why didn't he know what his
government's policy is?

Speaker 20 (38:06):
Well, look, this was this was a discussion that we
had about a year ago. Now, so look, I think
we've got.

Speaker 19 (38:10):
To give it.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Did you consider it at that stage?

Speaker 20 (38:15):
Look, I did go to a cabinet and ask, you know,
what did people want to do with the sickly provision.
What came out of that discussion was we weren't touching
the overall kind of ten day area, but we were
looking at so it was discussed. Oh I think you know,
we discuss a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I'm just trying to where this is important with him.
Never mind, it's okay, I see.

Speaker 20 (38:36):
You, yes, but it's important what we actually ended up with.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, it was that we were covering. You should as
you should. But I feel frustrated for you, Brooke, because
what you obviously wanted to talk about today was not
what you're not doing with sickly, but what you are
doing with paid parental leave. So you're bumping it up,
are you?

Speaker 20 (38:51):
That's right? So paid parental leave will be going up
to seven hundred and eighty eight dollars. I think that's
a thirty four dollars increase on the first of July.
And I know a lot of people have been struggling
with cost of living, but really importantly, people who just
have a newborn will also be struggling while they are
away from work, so the entitlement will be going up.

(39:14):
And I really congratulate anybody who has a beautiful new Bailey, thank.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You who plays relations minister hell Dull.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
All things get weird sometimes. Hey, Woolworth's is introducing an
onion that won't make you cry. I'm going to tell
you about that shortly, but I have to tell you
about this is absolutely my favorite thing that I've read today.
The Taxpayers Union has revealed that the Department of Conservation
has spent four hundred and twelve thousand dollars saving snails,

(39:46):
in particular the endangered southern powly Fanta Augusta snails. I know,
I mean I like them too, so I who even
knows what these snails are? Southern poorly fanta or Gusta snails? Anyway,
they live on so what's happened to they live on
the West Coast? Solid Energy was looking after them while
it was mucking around with their natural you know, habitat,

(40:07):
and so it was looking after them. But then it collapsed.
So Doc had to start looking after them and try
to get the vegetation and the habitat up to speed
again and stuff. Doc's actually been going gangbusters on it.
They have introduced ten thousand of these snails and their
little legs into the wild. They've managed to breed thousands
of them. Like these guys, it's just I mean, these
snails are prolific, right, so it doesn't sound like they're

(40:31):
that endangered, do you know what I mean, Like if
you're introducing ten thousand anyway. Anyway, meanwhile, just in case,
in case, in case something goes terribly out there on
the West coast and the snails, you know whatever, I
don't know die. They have kept some of these snails
in fridges in a hook Atika for twenty years. That's

(40:52):
what's costing us this money. They're keeping them in fridges
for twenty years just in case, as an insurance policy,
maybe against themselves, because another fact is that Doc has
managed to kill over eight hundred of these snails themselves
by accident. But anyway, if you're wondering where your money's
going and why Doc has got no money because of
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Speaker 2 (42:05):
Zgether do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Nineteen past five. No more cheap hits for your vaping friends. Ah,
the rules change from tomorrow. The disposable vaping products will
be banned. Dr Jude Hall is a senior research fellow
for the Aspire ALCIA or Tobacco Control Research Group. Hi, Jude, Hi,
This is not really a sector that's known for following
the rules. So are they going to follow the rules
from tomorrow? Do you think?

Speaker 21 (42:26):
Well, that's a great question. And what we've seen overseas
is that noncompliance has been a problem. So the effectiveness
of this rule, these rules are really going to depend
on whether they're strictly enforced or not.

Speaker 11 (42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
And how many enforcement agents have we got?

Speaker 21 (42:40):
Oh, that's no question I can answer off the top
of my head.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
Not a lot.

Speaker 21 (42:44):
Though the number has gone up, but it's still not
a lot.

Speaker 14 (42:47):
You're right.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
What do they do?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Do they go around actually visiting the vape shops?

Speaker 22 (42:52):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (42:52):
They do?

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Okay, So do you expect it will be enforced?

Speaker 21 (42:56):
I certainly hope. So I mean this, these measures are
designed to protect children and young people from a predatory industry.
So without that enforcement, they're really meaningless.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Is it also the case that from tomorrow there's basically
no advertising allowed.

Speaker 22 (43:13):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 21 (43:14):
So there have been some loopholes, but from tomorrow the
visibility of vapes and the way they're marketed will be
very much more like tobacco. So in the dairies, service
stations have to be out of sight, and vape retailers
can no longer email their customers with discounts and clubs

(43:35):
and promoting new flavors and products and so on.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
What about if you go on what about if you
go onto a vaping website? Can you actually buy something online?
Can you actually see what the product is that you're
trying to buy, because if it's not supposed to, if
it's not supposed to be displayed, it kind of it
feels like that may become a problem.

Speaker 21 (43:53):
Well, the law does include websites, so from tomorrow websites
won't be able to display images of vaping products.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
How are people going to know what they're buying?

Speaker 14 (44:03):
I mean, not that I cared, it's a great question.

Speaker 21 (44:08):
So I mean it's going to be less viable probably
for people to buy online. They'll be able to see
the product name in the price. If it's something they're
used to buying, fine, but otherwise could be problematic.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Jude, where are we at now? I mean, the science
around this is kind of, you know, evolving as we go,
but we are we still sure that vapes are better
than fags.

Speaker 21 (44:34):
Someone made the analogy to me. It's like, would you rather,
as a pedestrian, be hit by a motorcycle or hit
by a truck. You know, they're both bad. One's worse
than the other, But the healthiest thing is to be
vape free and smoke free.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Jude, thank you very much appreciated. Jude Ball, Senior Research
Fellow Aspire ALTA or Tobacco Control Research Group. Heather, if
you slice the onion in the correct way, it doesn't
make your eyes water, So why waste money creating a
new one? Murray? That's that's bs, isn't it. That's not true?
Which way I can, Murray if you believe, if you
truly believe that, tell me which way you've got to

(45:09):
slice the onion in order to make it not make
your eyes water? Anyway, So I'll tell you about it.
I'll tell you about it in a minute. I'll tell
you that in a minute. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
They'd be five twenty four. Now, how ironic is it,
by the way, that Brimworth is the carpet company that's
been chosen to do the wool carpets for state houses.
They outed themselves on Friday as having won that contract.
It's ironic because Brimworth just gave up trying to sell
only wool to you and I.

Speaker 13 (45:44):
They remember this.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
They declared themselves wool only. They launched a massive marketing campaign.
It went hard on it. They tried, and they tried
for five years, and in the end, about a month ago,
they gave up and they decided they would be selling
us nylon carpets as well, because that's what we want
to buy. Dreamworth has found out that wool only didn't
work in the real world, but wool only does work

(46:06):
with the government apparently because it is wool only in
the state houses. That is ironic, isn't it? Doesn't that
just say everything. It's the difference between the private and
the public sector. Now, I have said before, I love
the wool, I love natural fibers. I love our farmers.
I really would love it if our sheep farmers could
do well, but in the free market, not because we're
subsidizing them, and we are. The wool carpets that we're

(46:28):
going to be buying for the state houses are more
expensive than the nylon carpets that we were going to buy.
How much more expensive we don't know. They won't say,
but it's definitely more expensive.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I don't think it's a smart move for us as
the taxpayer, to artificially support an industry by making a
rule that we can only use more expensive wool for
state houses. Muldoon tried that, As I've said before, look
where that got us. When I carpeted my house, I
went for synthetics. I did that twice because it's cheaper.
So how ironic is it that state houses have wool
carpets that the rest of us don't want to pay for.

Speaker 20 (47:02):
The sea.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Give an health and safety at work. They've given me
quite a big knife. How big is this knife? Snife is?
That's a seven inch knife? Okay, Woolworths has launched itself
the Tearless Onions. It says, if you want to be
able to slice an onion without crying your eyes out.
You've got to buy one of these puppies they called
the happy Chopped tearless onions. I've got it in front

(47:27):
of me. I'm just cutting it open.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
What it is, Jesus knife, is rubbish, lower pyruvic acid
level apparently, because it's the pyruvic acids that cause the tears. Right,
so they've put legs of that in your onion. Still sweet,
they say, so's still a bit yummy. And what they
want me to do is they want me to chop
it all right. Well, no, they don't want me to

(47:50):
chop it because because I'm going to tell you the truth.
They just want me to tell you that you should
buy this. But I'm going to chop it hanging a tick. Okay,
there we go. We'll chopped the onion and I'm gonna
hold I'm gonna hold it under my eyes like like
too little rain catching, like tear catch.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
You do that every time you can on.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
This is what I'm gonna see, doing a real life
test to see if this is gonna make your eyes water.
I'll tell you after the news. I'm just sit here
the whole way through Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
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Speaker 1 (48:28):
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Speaker 2 (48:34):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Not crying.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I've been sitting here this whole time with this chop.
I even because I watched the text coming in and
people will saying, no, no, no, you can't just sit
there with the onions under your eyes. Cut them half
along the equator. You have to chop it. I chopped
it up all over the board. I mean, like, I'll
be honest, if there's a bit of it in your
eye but there's no tear. Well, this is my life anyway.

(49:02):
But here's the thing. Okay, so the taste, it's got
to be it's also got to taste like an onion.
It's okay, Trisha is gonna try it.

Speaker 13 (49:12):
No, that's no.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
Do you eat your onions? Were all very often?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
You sometimes don't you when you're chopping it? You think
I would have a little sneaky little onion while I'm
chopping my onions.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
No, no, not not your cave genuinely say it's never
happened to me.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Huh. That's a four out of ten. Onion on the taste.
So if you don't really care to, if you love
your onion taste, I don't think this is a winner.
But you do get a little bit of onion taste
without crying your tears, so that's okay, that's not bad.
Three dollars forty nine perkg as opposed to one dollar
sixty nine perkg for the full on like Pa, you know,
having having a weep onions that you would normally buy. Anyway,

(49:48):
Trish also has been sitting here with an onion. She's
not crying, No, Laura, the Germans not crying.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
It does that trick.

Speaker 13 (49:55):
Just not sure that.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I'm just not You're only going to get forty percent
of your onion taste away. Happy days for you, twenty
three away.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
From six to give a dupl.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
FIREMAK has done the U turn on the estrogen patches,
so it's going to fund the old Patchestra DOT and
the new one, the Myeland patches. Because of the backlash,
people got upset about this. Doctor Linda Deere is a
clinical director always the clinical director of MENO doctor and
with us now, heylander, hello, good news, yes.

Speaker 22 (50:21):
Oh, very good news. Yeah, a relief. This is what
we needed to hear.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Do you think anyone's going to go for the myelind
or is everybody just going to opt for the old one.

Speaker 22 (50:31):
Well, it's important to say that. You know, some women
actually get on better with my LAMB than estradot. So although, yeah,
so we can't all just now all rush out and
all want to get estradot patches because basically then we
will run out of them again. Yeah, so we've got
to bear in mind. It's good to have these options
because some women actually get on better with myeline than estradot,

(50:53):
but for other women it was the other way round.
So losing estradot for those women was just devastating.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Brilliant Oll, that's fantastically now, Linda, did you see the
story about the woman who was refused an insurance policy
cover over anything to do with her minopause because she
already had it. It was a pre existing health condition.
Did you see that?

Speaker 14 (51:11):
I did.

Speaker 22 (51:12):
Yeah, someone sent that to me this morning. I mean
it's a tricky one in that case. I think they
were sort of saying, well, she was already on some HRT, therefore,
email way you could say, well, there's that preexisting. The
way the article was written, though, it was kind of
hard to decipher. But were they saying, actually it was
just if she ever gets anything to do with peri

(51:34):
or menopause, they're not going to cover it. I don't
think that was the message from Southern Cross.

Speaker 8 (51:38):
I would hope not.

Speaker 22 (51:40):
And they do cover menopause consultations for some specialties, although
unfortunately not for my clinic.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Okay, so if you had, if you were covered by insurance,
what is it that you would be claiming related to
your minopause.

Speaker 22 (51:56):
Well, to see a specialist to kind of get that
tailored invigalized HRT and assessment. So that might be an
endocrinologist or a guynecologist or a menopause doctor. Because for
a lot of GPS this can be too complicated and
difficult and it does take a bit more time in
the average fifteen minute GP appointment, and we don't get

(52:19):
that much training as GPS on menopause hormone therapy. So
a lot of women do need that extra care, that
extra expertise.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Okay, Linda, thanks very much, I really appreciate your time.
It's Linda Deer, the clinical director of meno Doctor the.

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Speaker 3 (52:36):
Onion breath hither? I can smell it from Hawks Bay.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
You.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
No, here's the thing, because you're only getting a forty
percent onion flavor. You're not getting the onion breath, are you?
So maybe if you want to know, munch down on
an onion and then head out for a hot date.
This is your guy to go to because you're not
going to be You're not going to be chasing any
vampires away with us? Are you with us? On the huddle?
We have Tresherson and Stewart Nash. Hello you too.

Speaker 11 (52:58):
Hello here there's Trish. How are you well?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
How are you going?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Trish? I'll see you faced your onion away from me though.

Speaker 23 (53:05):
So Stuart, you know you're lucky you're not in the
studio because I walked in, I had a cut onion
thrust under my eyes and been treated like some sort
of human guinea pig.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Do you want to tell you what? Would you take
a little nibble on that for me and just tell
me what you think flavor wise, if we're getting, if
we're getting like.

Speaker 9 (53:23):
I think, it's a forty percent smell of breath. Trish, Well,
what do you think.

Speaker 23 (53:29):
I'm a big onion fan and I think, like with anything,
there's no free lunch, so you're not going to get
the no tea compromise. There's a trade off here, yeah,
and are.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
You tasting that trade off? It's not too bad, Yeah,
not too bad, but not the full oomph Yeah. Okay. Anyways, Stu, So,
I don't know if you You probably don't care in
the slightest about this, but what you'd probably love to
do is have a crack at the government. So what's
your reaction to the fact that I've only reduced the
public servants by two.

Speaker 9 (53:54):
Thousand at the bottom line?

Speaker 11 (53:57):
As as David Sima was out after the budget having
a real go government. This is a This is an
associate Finance Minister's saying publicly that the government hasn't cut
spinning enough. In fact, he was the one that highlighted
that Grant Ronson was spending less in his our years
of this government spending now. So but for me, it's
not about cutting. It's not about the number of public

(54:18):
servant ship cuts, the quality of services deliver and I
just don't think there's been a noticeabill increase at all.
In fact that I think there's been an erosion in
the quality of publics.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Were you surprised by that trusty here it was only
down by two thousand after all of this.

Speaker 23 (54:31):
Well, I heard the Prime Minister this morning on the
interview with Mike Hosking and he was sort of dancing
around the head of a pin on this and trying
to say, oh, look, this is all about getting outcomes
in the front line. There's a couple of things here.
One is, I think for the government there is a
divergence at the moment between what they're saying and the

(54:55):
results that New Zealand is a actually seen on the ground.
So even if you take there economy, you know there's
a lot of hype around going gangbusters, em South going gangbusters.
Well that's just not the not the case, and there
is a there's there's a real danger in that because
you know, New Zealanders are still in tough times. It's

(55:17):
a big grind and they really want to see that
you know, there is a there is an end in sight.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, don't you think Stu, that we realize as voters
that there is something close to something of a crisis
going on at the moment right the country is in
a really bad way and tough decisions have to be taken.
And part of the problem here is the government is
not being seen to take those decisions.

Speaker 11 (55:40):
They're not they're not. You know, Chris likes and made
a bout with the fact that you know he knows
how to run a country because he ran in New Zealand,
World World News Chris country New Zealand is not in
New Zealand. And just because you run a big corporate
it doesn't mean you know how to run a country,
particularly effectively. And I agree with Trisha, I agree with
the vast majority of people like to including a whole

(56:01):
of your list, is no doubt who were saying these
guys made a whole lot of promises around how they
were going to drive economic growth and productivity, They're going
to get rid of the cost of the eleven crisis,
et cetera, et cetera. Nothing has happened after eighteen months.
So there's a whole lot of people out there who
voted for Luxeant because he was the CEO of the
News Eland who have every right to feel a little
bit disappointed at this point in time, I would say,
I would.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Say, so what do you think, though, Trish? The counterfactual
is if they were prepared to take the really tough decisions,
and I think I think Ruth Richardson was talking about
this yesterday on Q and A, where you know, you
have to take the decisions that will potentially lead people
to hate you. If they took it, would they be
more popular?

Speaker 23 (56:38):
Well, while we're putting the slipper in, it is good
to recognize that there are some big reforms happening. So
the RIMA stuff that is really good stuff, the education
stuff that is really good stuff. My concern is that
in terms of the economy, there is a propensity to

(56:59):
go after the the easy, shiny things on the periphery.
I mean, think about how much energy has been expended
on pumping up the investment boost for companies. Look, it's great,
but at the moment, companies have to have the capital
available to be able to invest and to get the
investment for both.

Speaker 11 (57:17):
Sure it's not great. Will I see that it's going
to increase GDP by one percent over twenty years. And
the investment boost was the you know, it was the
crowning glory in her budget. One percent over twenty years.
I don't think that's particularly aspiration of the truth.

Speaker 23 (57:31):
Beyone, well, well, this is this is the issue, though,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
You know?

Speaker 23 (57:35):
I know you referenced earlier Heather the eighty four labor
government and look at what Ruth Richardson had to do
in nineteen ninety. In my view, we have got away
from governments who really want to get under the hood
of serious policy issues and address them, whether or not
that means, you know, you might be in for you know,

(57:57):
not for a long time, but that is the purpose
of being in parliament. And I think that really hard
policy grunt work isn't happening as much as it should be.
I know it's easy to say that from the outside,
but look at you know, other debates that are going
on at the moment, the likes of superannuation, and it's

(58:18):
hard to get a read on are we really going
to tackle that or are we not?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Are you so Trish? What you're saying is they're putting
their re election chances ahead of making those really tough
calls that actually we need to make as a country.

Speaker 23 (58:29):
On balance, if I look at what's happening right now,
I would say yes, if their rhetoric is right that
we have come through and we're still in the worst
recession historically, then that means the decisions that you making
are making are very big, the structural and the fundamental,
and they aim at getting that structural debt fixed up.

Speaker 11 (58:52):
I would go a little bit further than that. I
think any government can make changes if they go to
the public with a bold vision and then they say
this is where we want the country to be in
pick a time, ten twenty thirty years out, and this
is what we need to do enable in order to
be able to achieve that. What I would say around
this government is there is actually no bold vision that

(59:13):
people can buy into and look at and go oh yeah, okay,
that's why they're doing this. It just seems very It's
not even business as usual. It's sort of muddling on
through with a strong dose of mediocrity.

Speaker 23 (59:24):
Well well and rich coming from you, stew.

Speaker 11 (59:29):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
Look, I will agree with you. Look, I agree with you.

Speaker 11 (59:33):
I think in twenty twenty to twenty twenty three we
had an opportunity to be really transformational because we had
over fifty percent of the vote. And I don't think
the second term of our government. We took advantage of
that when we absolutely should have and that's a you know,
that's a story for another day. But we had that opportunity,
we didn't take advantage. But this government has learned nothing

(59:53):
from any other government and so there is no vision,
there is no bold aspiration. It is just like I said,
it just it's just mediocrity, which is not good for
our country at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
All right, we'll take a break. Come back to you guys.
It's thirteen minutes away from six.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Back with the Huddle, Stuart Nash and Trisherson, Stu, what
did you make of the sick leave debarcle today?

Speaker 11 (01:00:19):
I always listened to that interview and I thought to myself,
I didn't know that this was one of their policies.
And I also thought to myself, well, they've pissed off
every single woman in the country with pay equity, and
now they're going to piss off every single worker by
cutting back sickly to five days. Wow. And then I
read that it actually wasn't one of their policies, and
I heard Brook van Belden being interviewed earlier on she

(01:00:40):
said everyone's got to allow to be a human and
I'm going here, but the Prime Minister should know the policies.
I thought that was unbelievable, but you know Chris Lackslin's
track record, it wasn't surprising, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
What do you think, Chrish?

Speaker 23 (01:00:53):
I listen every Monday to that interview with the PM
because it's a good set up, particularly for HUDDLE, and
I think if you went and analyzed pretty much every
one of those weekly interviews, there would be something on
a scale of small to big gaffs that someone picks
up on during the day. So the most recent example

(01:01:15):
I thought of was when there was the stoush over
banning social media for under sixteens. The Prime Minister was
on being interviewed about it and he said, oh, well,
you know ACT was opposed to it, but they are
changing their position over the weekend. David Seymour was out
within about five minutes saying absolutely no, where not and

(01:01:36):
there are you know this sounds a little bit like
telling someone how to suck eggs. But when I listen
to Chris Luxen. I often think of two great acronyms
that can help you in your work life not dig
yourself into holes with talking too much. Number one is wait,
why am I talking? Number two is waste? Why am

(01:01:57):
I still talking? And think that's often where these guests
come from. It's from wanting to not say no, I
don't know, no, we're not doing that, and and sort
of really take take take the bull by the horns
and these interviews rather than trying to be the nice guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, is he trying to be too agreeable? Is that
what's up?

Speaker 14 (01:02:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
Well, you know, Mike is a mass interviewer, you know,
second only to you here that and you know he
hears I love that weight and waste. I wish I
knew that five years ago, but he the you know,
he hears the ability to draw things out of people
in a way very very few other interviewers are. And
I agree with you. I think Chris likes to be liked.

(01:02:41):
He knows that his media performances in the past haven't
been great. Chris luctionnesses and so if he agrees with
Mike and gets Mike on side, it's all goes. He
thinks it all goes very well, but then you end
up with this pr disaster where you've got his coalition
partner on saying well, no, we're not going to do that,
and we discuss that a year ago and decided we
wouldn't go down that track. I mean, I don't know

(01:03:05):
what's going on the ninth floor, but I do know
you whenever I was a minister, and I've seen what
the Prime Minister gets when you're about to go on
a show like My cost Ging or hither Duke to
see Allen, You brief like there is no tomorrow, so
you are over every single topic that could possibly be asked.
And I don't know if his press sex just aren't
giving him the briefing notes or what's going on. But

(01:03:25):
it's trus said. It just seems to be gaff after
gaff after gaff and he's just not learning. It's quite surprising.

Speaker 23 (01:03:31):
I think the problem is it goes to that underlying
theme of inauthenticity that's coming across and that's why there's
just no traction being gained in the preferred Prime Minister
ratings because there's really nothing for you to grasp onto
when you listen to these interviews apart from the odd mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah, okay, listen, how's your onion breath?

Speaker 23 (01:03:51):
Well, as I said to you, it's a strong onion
breath that I wouldn't normally have at ten minutes to
six on a Monday night usual.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
I apologize, I'll see, I'll dig out some mints for you. Attack.
That's our huddle's evening Trishurs and stude Ash seven away
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Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
B Uh, Heather, don't be disingenuous. Chris Luckson never said
sickly was reducing from ten to five days. At no
point does he say that. Now the trouble is, yes, correct,
he sort of gets there with Mike. But then of
course the opposition Radio or Zealand were listening and they
asked the Prime Minister as well, and they said, is

(01:04:36):
your government looking at reducing the number of leave leave
days from ten to five? And he said that's something
that I know Brook van Walden is looking into. So
he does get there in the end. Now, oh listen,
it's not all bad for him today. Chris Luxen has
just been named as what happened let me start this.
The Loewe Institute asked Australians which world leader they felt

(01:05:00):
most confident to do the right thing regarding foreign policy,
and Chris Luxein's came out on top. So he's beat
Emmanuel Macron, He's beat Donald Trump, He's beat Keir Starmer,
He's beat their very own Anthony Albanezi. He has come
out number one, the best prime minister on best world
leader on foreign matters. So did Chris Hepkins. So did

(01:05:22):
just done. So I think maybe the Australians just sort
of they just love us all. It's like it's basically
it's an award for all of us, isn't it just
for being New Zealanders? But hey, as the prime minister,
he gets it, so congrats to him. Now we have
to talk about AI because there's a suggestion AI can
do your mental health check for you. We'll get to that.
Nicola Willis' is us next news togs.

Speaker 13 (01:05:42):
They've beat.

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will it affect the economy? The big business questions on
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Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Been evening coming up in the next hour, Shane Soley's
going to talk us through the tourism holdings takeover offer.
We'll have a chat to a clinical psychologist about whether
we should actually use chatbots for therapy. And Gavin Gray
is with us out of the UK at seven past six,
and as but usual, Nikola willis our finance ministers with us. Hey, Nikola, Hi, Heather, Now, Nicola,

(01:06:32):
have you spoken to Neil about his FIBs?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
As I said last week, I did speak to Neil
last week to share my view that while of course
they were initially limited the Reserve Bank and what they
could say about the terms of Adrian Or's exit agreement,
once they had worked through that, they could have provided
some clarifying statements more promptly than they did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
How promptly.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Well, I think as soon as worked through what they
could say with the former governor then there was obviously
significant public interest in that information and it would have
been in everyone's best interests for them to share that
in an earlier junction.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
How long did it take them to work through this
with Adrian.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Or, Well, that's a question for Professor Quigley rather than
for me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
What was it like on the day, within a week,
within a month, within three months, do you know?

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
I don't know the answer to that question, but my
point is simply, there were always going to be Official
Information Act requests public interest in this matter. So as
soon as they had worked through what they could say,
I think it would have been in everyone's interest for
them to come out with that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I mean, fair enough on all of that stuff. But
he didn't have to go out there in fib did he?
And he did, and have you spoken to him about that?

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
Well, his view is that the statements that he made
on day one were necessarily limited, both because the funding agreement.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
They were agreed they would just outright FIBs.

Speaker 6 (01:08:00):
Well, as I say, and i'd point you to his statement.
He has explained that he believes that both the terms
of the exit agreement and the working through the finalization
of a five year funding great agreement limited what he
could say.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Okay, what do you think, as the finance mitist, do
you think that he was completely honest?

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
What I think is exactly what I've just said to you,
which is, as soon as they had worked through the
details of what could not I know that as in
the public interest for them to share that Nichola.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
That doesn't excuse him getting up on the day and
basically telling Porky's does it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
Well, I've been in a difficult position on this, Heather,
which is that my view has been the employment agreement
was between the governor and his board, and so I
have at all stages sought to remove myself from those
employment discussions and how they were communicated publicly, and in
doing that, I have relied on the board to take

(01:08:56):
responsibility for both those things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
The reason are you trying to avoid right now casting
judgment on what Neil quickly said and the Polkies that
he told.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Well, I have already cast judgment. I was pretty blunt
last week. I said, I think they should have pulled
their socks up on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
You were talking about. I mean, that's a completely different thing.
Nicholaea in one hundred days is different to this guy
who's the Reserve Bank governor getting up and not telling
us the truth.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
No, I think if you look at my statements carefully,
my point that I made was that this information could
have been conveyed sooner, Heather, and you and I both
know it doesn't require an Official Information Act request for
public bodies to make themselves publicly accountable, and I think
this information being in the public domain earlier would have
been helpful to everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Now have you spoken to Neil quickly about his term
as the chair?

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
Well, as you know, he's already on a two year
term rather than a longer term, and that I have
previously spoken to him about that. The fact that we
are obviously in a period of transition at the Reserve Bank,
as a search for a new governor is underway and
we have also been replacing people on the Reserve Bank Board.

(01:10:11):
So I've made it clear to him that I view
his role as supporting those transitions as they take place.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
As in staying there for two years to see it
through or getting out of the way.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
Well, ultimately that will be up to Neil Quidly, because
my view is that what's required for the Reserve Bank
as an institution is that we have smooth transitions.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Do you want to see him out of there before
two years are up?

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
I have confidence in him doing the role as it
currently stands, and what I am interested in is the
Reserve Bank remaining a sound, respected institution and that it
manages its transitions at a senior leadership role level well,
and that the Reserve Bank has the people in place
to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Okay, let me ask you this aga. Given that he
has indicated that he's more than happy to stand up
in front of the country and just concoct stories, do
you trust him when he talks to you?

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
Well? I trust that he found himself in a challenging
situation where he felt bound by the terms of an
exit agreement by privacy law, and that he was then
weighing that against his need to be publicly open. And
as I've said, I think I've been pretty blunt. At
the minute, he knew that what else he could communicate,

(01:11:26):
and would have been better if that had been communicated sooner.
This was all foreseeable so far as I can see,
and it frustrates me that we're in this situation.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
That was not a yes. By the way, So we'll
just note that what happened to you guys cutting back
the public servants and we own two thousand down.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Well, we're doing a great job. We've reversed the trend,
which was an exploding growth. And what we've done is
we've put the emphasis away from the back office rolls,
the policy analysts, the admin roles, and what you are
continuing to see that there are people being hired for
as things like customer service roles. And that's what you'd
expect because we're a government that is focused on delivering

(01:12:08):
very good services.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
To How many frontline How many frontline staff have you hired.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Frontline staff? I can't give you a number right now,
but nurses alone, seventeen hundred more, several more, teachers, hundreds more.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Correctly account how many of that? We don't count the
teachers and the public servant numbers do it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
So that depends on whether you're using the broader public
service definition or the narrower one.

Speaker 13 (01:12:31):
The narrow.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
That the narrow one in terms of the core public
service numbers. No not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Can you understand why this is profoundly disappointing to people,
because because we all understand, I mean, you'd have to
be an idiot not to see that the country is
in a really tough place. We're spending far too much money.
We're blowing out our budgets every single year, and this
is an obvious way for you guys to pair the
spending back. There are way too many public servants as
a reportion of our population. And you guys don't do it, but.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
We are doing it. So there's been an eleven percent
reduction and clerical and admin rolls, eight percent reduction, and
policy jobs, some increase in contact into workers, some increase
in inspectors.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
And any pounds down.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Well that's overall, but still I think in eleven percent
reduction in clerical and admin rolls, eight percent reduction and
policy jobs, that's progress.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Do you know where you've taken us back to the
last time we had this many public servants March twenty three.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Well, he peaked in December twenty twenty three, and since
then the only way has been down. And so we
are making good progress. And I tell you what, either
every single job reduction we have made has been hollowed
at and screened at by our political opponents, who would
have it believed that the only way to grow employment

(01:13:52):
in this country is to harre more public servants in Wellington.
We haven't taken that view, and we've been pretty staunch
and continuing to make progress.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
How much more are the wall carpets costing us than
the nylon carpets?

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
Well, I've heard your cynicism so I've gone and double
checked on this. So actually the purchase price for the
woolen carpet, I'm advised, is no more than the purchase
price for nylon under the old contract. What happened here,
I don't have the dollars, But what you care about
is are we paying a premium over nylon? Answer?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
No, No, what happens. I know what the nylon costs.
It cost forty three dollars eighteen per square meter, and
clearly the wall is more expensive.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
No. What I've been advised is that the contract for
kaying Aura is no more expensive than nylon was under
the old contract. What the terms are that they got
depends on how, of course people showed up, because when
people get a big commercial tender like this, you'll find
that they shaften their price that they're offering. That's exactly
what happened here. Said well, this is your chance, and

(01:14:54):
I think will came with their absolute Shaffer steel. They
shaftened their pencil. That's good news for the industry.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Eighteen per square meter for the wall.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
As I said, I do not have that number, but
what I have is a car sign assurance. It is
no more than the purchase price and under theirs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
It's not true at all. You know that what it
will be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Get forty three from here this googled it. Yes, but
the business commercials. Yeah, but that's different from the commercial
supply agreement that crying or.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
A mastruct that is the kying of order deal.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
Yeah, okay, in which case, as I've said to you,
what I've been assured is that it is no more
than you know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
They'll be taking into account they've waited it differently, right,
So price is only one waiting when it comes to
a tender, right, So they're waiting other things like is
it good for the country?

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
No? No, no, that is that is the straight purchase
price comparison. Okay, So how can I even start counting
all of the other.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
If it's one same price? About well, if it's the
same price, why are you the second person I've asked
and you guys can't tell me. You can't tell me
the price. The guy reading okay can't tell me the.

Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
Price because we don't in my case, because I don't
get given those operational contract details, which are also commercially sensitive.
So is it no, there's no ret here? Can I
just tell you your cynicism is misplaced. All got a
chance to sharpen their offer. They came up with an
offer that met on price and delivers a product that is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Much I'll tell you what, what can you go? Would
you mind? I know you're busy, but can your people
just ask Ko or bring Worth what the price is
and come back.

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
To us next. I'm just starting to feel for you
and your colleagues and your family who clearly are going
to have to have plastic carpet. Yeah, plastic acoustic panels
well is a beautiful product. When given the chance to
compete on price, it can it delivers massive benefits. I
don't know what you've got against sheep farmers, but personally
I think they're great. And the fact that they've turned

(01:16:51):
up with a really competitive price it is good news
for everyone. And there's only one person who's upset about it,
and it's here. You're an optimist from this, Heather, Hey,
and this is actually a one one for everyone, So
let's not rain on the parade.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Have you turned up with a cold and everything? Are
you working through a sickness?

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Yeah? Look, I'm sorry for my voice. Callers will not
be appreciating it. This evening well, it turns out the
ministerial title doesn't make you immune to the viruses that
go around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
We all appreciate a hard worker, so thank you for
turning up. Nichola Willis the Finance Minister. Eighteen past six.

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Speaker 13 (01:17:45):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
When people talk slowly, they are remembering their lines.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Do you mean this?

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Do you trust him when he talks to you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Well, I trust that he found himself in a challenging situation.

Speaker 13 (01:18:00):
Mmmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Minister does not trust Neil Quigley when Neil Kigley talks
to her and fear enough do I don't need to
remind you of the FIBs. A. You know the FIBs.
If you don't know the FIBs, you can text me
and then we can talk about those FIBs and just
get them out there again. Here though, what she's referring
to with the contract that KO had for the synthetic
price that was what they had already agreed. I wonder
actually what the price was for synthetics that they had

(01:18:23):
agreed to now that they had actually asked to buy wool,
so what it was. So it's about what they can
when they say woll is no more expensive. Are we
talking about the contracted price for the existing price for
the synthetics? Are we talking about the offered price for
the synthetics, Because what you'll know is they keep telling
us it's not more expensive, but they ang going to

(01:18:44):
cough up that figure A and we know what the
original figure was, so we can compare apples with apples.
And they're not going to let us, are they. Shane
Soley next six twenty two.

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You might have heard in the news earlier about the
man who has killed twice. This is a complete stuff
up by the health system and I'm going to have
to run you through those details before the end of
this hour six twenty five with me now, though Shane
solely harbor asset management. Hey, Shane.

Speaker 8 (01:19:18):
Hello, only that Shane.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
So how have the capital markets reacted to this Iran
Israel conflict.

Speaker 8 (01:19:24):
Yeah, so Friday we saw the USHA market in the
S and P five hundred, which is the broad market,
down about one point one percent. Since then, we've since
the clothes have seen another escalation and conflict, a lot
more bombardments of each other's, particularly the energy infrastructure. So look,
we're just watching to see what the US market does
when they open the futures, which is the forward looking
indicators actually slightly up.

Speaker 11 (01:19:46):
We don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:19:46):
Locally. We saw the New Zealand dollar pretty stable against
the US dollar today about sixty point two eight hits
being yield in the New Zion ten yure government bond
years there was up a little bit just under ten
besis points back to four point sixty four percent. Maybe
there's about people think about inflation on the back of
higher oil prices. And actually the New Zealand Shire marker
was up one percent today and that was led by

(01:20:06):
strength and some of our growth stocks utilities and infrastructure's used.
So probabit of a surprise for some people on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
What do you reckon is the key risks from the
conflict to economies and markets from here on in.

Speaker 8 (01:20:17):
Yeah, Look, it's tough to know how this is going
to turn out. Clearly, some real human tragedy year we've
got to put into that. But for the global economies
and capital markets, probably the biggest risk is that Iran
or it's our ways to disrupt the slate straits of homes.
That's with is a lot of oil comes through the
conflict widens and we actually see some inflation go up
on the back of it. Since we've had this conflict

(01:20:39):
keeckoff with Texas Internedio oil prices, it's the main one
of the reference points for oil going to just under
seventy three dollars use a barrel, that's twelve up in
a week, So tough one for us in New Zealand.
The risk is a lot of that oil out of
our own gost to China, and if there's a problem
there then slows the Chinese economy down, slows our economy down,
and just higher energy prices not good for inflation in

(01:21:01):
this part of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Shane, what do you make of this takeover offer for
tourism holdings?

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Yeah, so interesting one. We had on s set of
non binding offer for theres and holdings is their candadown
operator from a group called BGH Capital that's a private
equity firm and back for by the Australian Trichet family
who had backed some Australians and Tourism holdings a few
years ago. The bid two dollars thirty. That's fifty seven

(01:21:27):
percent above Friday's close A one for hysics. Pretty healthy.
They've got the backing of Truche, the true schase holders
holders and also as the A and D and Wilson
Hessey Management, So BGH has got about a twenty percent stake.
Now there's no studency on the transaction. Uh, it's subject
to due diligence and finding board recommendations. But BGH they've

(01:21:48):
got a history of being pretty patient on these things.
So we saw that tourism holding ship I was closed
at two dollars thirty today. A little bit to play
out here here though, I think I think we've got
somewhere to go. But you know, that's a bit of
a reminder that parts of bell share market are pretty
attractive to overseas investors.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, Sean, Hey, thanks very much, always good to talk
to you. Appreciate it, mate, that Shane solely harbor Asset Management.
Going to talk Heather, why don't you like wooll Would
you rather have plastic? Yes, it's cheaper. That's what I've
got in my house is plastic. Why shouldn't the state
houses have that? Anyway, Listen, let's talk about chat GPT
and whether it should do the old consultations for.

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Speaker 13 (01:22:38):
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Speaker 11 (01:22:42):
Would you name?

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Right, David Gray is going to be with us out
of the UK in about ten minutes time. And incidentally,
in the UK, they have just had MI six appointed
for the first time ever a woman as their boss,
which is just like in j Bond, except in real
life not m M and James Bond. In real life.
C C for Chief Chief is Blaize Metrowelli, who joined

(01:23:10):
the Secret Intelligence Service in nineteen ninety nine. Are currently
the position that she holds is Q Director General, Q
Head of Technology and Innovation Division, and before that she
was at m I five and she was director K
it's twenty three wait.

Speaker 9 (01:23:23):
Wait, wait, hang on, So the person in charge of
the technology is actually called Q in the real MI
six Yeah, Bond, that's the thing that blew my money,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
But there's somebody actually called money Penny as well.

Speaker 9 (01:23:34):
Yeah, well, includly there's actually an M as well. We
just don't know about who's actually in charge of What
does M do? If Dame Judy just retired and AS
does that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Now maybe if C is chief, M would be management, well.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
They hint, and Casino Royal we're going way down the
rabbit in cassinarel that they mentioned that it's got something
to do with her real name, but they never tell
you any more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
But yeah, oh not her title.

Speaker 9 (01:23:57):
No, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the thing, Bond says.
I thought it was a randomly assign numal. I didn't
realize it had something with your name. And then she
hushes them up.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Oh well, as Blaze's point has proved to us, she's
been k, Q and M and C. I mean, so
it's got nothing in the real life to do with
the actual name anyway. Thanks Ans for your random information.
As per usual, twenty two away from seven ever, do
for cel would AI be the key to solving our
mental health backlog? Mental Health Minister Matt Doocy has claimed
that up to twenty percent of New Zealand's unmet needs

(01:24:26):
could be solved. This is mental health needs could be
solved using chatbots like chat GPT. Jackie maguire as a
clinical psychologist, Hey Jackie, Hi, Heather, is he on to
something here?

Speaker 14 (01:24:37):
I think therapy AI is really helpful for life stuff.
You want to make a decision, if you're wanting to
plan a conversation, if you are switched on with critical
analysis skills that you can go yeah, actually helpful. You
know you're grounding or you're prompting me. I'm going to
use that and I'm going to think about that. I mean,

(01:24:57):
that's really helpful in terms of an AI tool. Is
it going to sol our mental health crisis? In terms
of we've got huge weightlists and people unable to get
meaningful support. I don't think it's going to fill that gap.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
What about what about just triaging? So I was just
thinking about so, for example, had my second baby about
five months ago, so obviously would be experiencing what a
lot of mums will experience postpartum, which is a little
bit of anxiety, maybe a bit of the blues or whatever,
whatever whatever. So I go along to it and I say, hey,
I'm having some anxiety babies five months old, and it says, yep,

(01:25:32):
completely normal. Try doing this. Would that not be helpful
for just triaging some people out who actually don't need
any more assistance than just knowing what's going on?

Speaker 14 (01:25:43):
So yes, I think being able to have anyone validate you,
including a chatbot, actually has shown when your name it
your tainment, So some form of validation is helpful. Being
able to be provided with in terms of strategies is useful,
But that also requires that the person that is being
validated and receiving their information is in a headspace to

(01:26:04):
use that wisely. Like if you logged on and you
were so distressed or experiencing such great post atal depression
that you were psychotic, then you need a person in
front of you assessing you, not chatbot, right, So and
I guess there's no way hard because you don't know
who's on the other side of the computer screen, So.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
There's no way of knowing whether like can we not
triage it and go chat GPT has screened you at
the start whoa, you need some help or no, you're okay,
off you we can't do that.

Speaker 14 (01:26:34):
I think it would be useful if there was a
clinician to see you through that process.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeah, but there is not right, not.

Speaker 14 (01:26:42):
Currently in terms of you know, we would hope that
people in crisis are being seen, but we know from
those that are experiencing moderate to severe mental illness or
who are in great distress, many people aren't getting the
support that they need. And so, you know, it's a
useful tool. I just don't want it to be spoken
about in terms of it's our how Mary.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yeah, is there also the risk that it affirms your neuroses?

Speaker 14 (01:27:08):
You know, it's interesting because I've used a free therapy
tool when I was having to plan a difficult conversation
with somebody, and yes, like I'm a clinical psych sitting
on the end of the computer and I can go,
and that's really useful. I wouldn't have thought of that
question and I can go. No, I wouldn't take that
on board, but like from that perspective here that it
was really helpful, saves me affession from going to see

(01:27:31):
someone in supervise and you know in soundboard that like
I think it can be an excellent soundboarding, you know,
life challenge tool. I think it can be really helpful
used in that forum. I just think we have to
go human beings a complex if you are experiencing mental illness,
if your life has got multiple things going on, if
you're in a state of distress. We know that one

(01:27:53):
of the primary factors of success in therapy is the
therapeutic alliance, which means an individual other person and can
see you as a human being, can understand the complexities
of your life, can build a relationship with you and
AI Whilst it might feel like they're building a relationship
with you, their relationship is based on data, you know,

(01:28:15):
patterns and data. It's not based on you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Yeah, Jackie, thank you. I appreciate you talking us through.
It's fascinating stuff, Oh, Jackie maguire, clinical psychologist. At the moment,
I'm trying to get chat GPT to figure out why
I get migraines from certain this I love. If I
told you I'm obsessed with it, I'm obsessed with it.
So I get migraines if I put like crappy perfumes

(01:28:37):
and even nice perfumes on. Sometimes. Jamie McKay cousin Jamie.
One time I sat and he had to throw a
whole perfume bottle away because I sat in a car
with him. For gosh. We were on a tour of
Dunedin and it would have been maybe an hour, maybe
an hour and a half. It wasn't very long time
to need. It's a small place. But he gave me
a migraine because I think it was as a maani

(01:28:58):
that he was wearing. We never saw the money again
gone anyway, So there must be something in these perfumes
and stuff like that that has given given me the
migraine if I sniffered too much or put it on
my skin. So I'm trying to get I'm starting my
relationship with chat GPT, which it's going to take a
lot of prompts to get to this point, but I'm
figuring that maybe it can help me figure out what
this common thing is. If you know, by the way,

(01:29:21):
let's just shortcut it nine two nine two, thanks very much,
or crowdsauce it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Do for seel.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
You would have heard in the news at the start
of the hour about the man who's killed twice. Complete
stuff up from the health system. Let me run you
through the details here right, So this guy's name, this
is the one that was subject to suppression. The suppression
has been lifted and now we know who it is.
This guy's name is Elliott Cameron. He killed his brother
in the seventies and was declared not guilty by way

(01:29:47):
of insanity fifty years later. Last year he murdered the
Christ Church pension of fee pH Alps. Now the trouble
here is that he was obviously obviously a risk before
before he killed faith Alps, specifically because he'd killed before
and because he said he was going to kill again.
He warned his cousin Alan, So here's at Helmilton and

(01:30:09):
he didn't want to leave Helmolton. He warned his cousin
Alan via email in twenty ten that he needed to
stay in hospital. He said, the probability of me repeating
the offense outside hospital is greater than the probability of
me repeating the fence where offense where I am, and
so disrupting society is less when I remain in hospital.
I am currently placed in a mental hospital. I should
remain where I am. He repeated this similar vibe to Allan,

(01:30:33):
the cousin in twenty sixteen and again in twenty twenty two.
In twenty twenty two, the reason he said it again
was because he heard that he might be forced to
move hospital because there were some sort of renovations going on.
So he asked emailed Allan and said, can you please interveen?
I cannot move, I cannot leave this place. In December
twenty twenty two, he told nursing staff he would be

(01:30:54):
quote hard to ignore if he was chopping up bodies,
and then continued his threeat so over the next couple
of months to kill people if he was discharged from hospital,
and then in July twenty twenty four last year, he
threatened disastrous measures if he was discharged, and then he
went on to kill so clearly. I mean, I don't

(01:31:14):
know how many more red flags you need than a
guy who says that he's going to chop up bodies.
But there you have it. He gave them the red flags.
They evidently ignored it. He was allowed out to go
gardening or whatever. This is how he came across her
and murdered her with an axe at her house. Just incidentally,
because it is interesting how he came to be the
way that he is in the nineteen sixties. He was

(01:31:34):
fifteen there about fifteen sixteen. It was in his fifth
form year and he something went wrong in his head.
He went, They diagnosed him with a tumor. He had
surgery and after that he changed, couldn't tolerate noise. And
some years later nineteen seventy five parents heard the shotgun
go off. Was the father shotgun went and had a
look shot his brother. Incredibly tragic Quarter two.

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Twelve away from seven and Gevin Gray are UK correspondents
with us A Gevin Hi there. They're going to discuss
the sanctions at the G seven. But will they actually
impose sanctions.

Speaker 24 (01:32:18):
Yeah, that's something that this government in the UK is
very much looking at, along with the European allies. There's
all this talk about Coalition of the Willing coming to
the fore again because Donald Trump's attempts to get them
around the table Ukraine and Russia and get a piece
deals on to that does seem to be stalling, with
the Russians showing very little interest in it, and so

(01:32:40):
it's a chance, I think at the G seven, yes,
to discuss other things, including of course what's going on
in the Middle East. But I think as well, the
UK Prime Minister on the plane on the way over
talking journalists said, you know, if Vladimir Putin does not
agree to negotiate a ceasefire in Ukraine and there's movement there,
then further sanctions are bound to follow sort of things.

(01:33:01):
So that's something he's very keen on doing, to do
things through the sort of the court of law as
it were, and use sanctions rather than any other weapons
of choice. But it's certainly going to be an interesting
discussion because not all the countries involved are going to
be that keen on doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Though.

Speaker 24 (01:33:17):
Of the G seven, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the
US and the UK, as well as the EU are
certainly going to need to show unified from Hey, did.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
You see those guys in Spain are running around with
water pistols and firing it at.

Speaker 24 (01:33:29):
The tourists, Yes, and being encouraged to fire it at tourists.
So this is the ongoing protests in various countries, predominantly
in Spain but also now in Italy and Portugal, that
they're basically saying tourism, mass tourism, excessive levels of tourism,
are forcing locals out of affordable housing. They say, the
cost of living now in the city centers is absolutely unsustainable,

(01:33:54):
and these anti tourism protests are getting bigger and bigger.
Now while average wages have risen a few percent, they're saying, actually,
do you know what, the percentage rise of rental properties
has gone up massively more. And Barcelona has twenty million
tourists in twenty twenty four, and they're saying, you know,

(01:34:15):
quite frankly, that number is unsustainable when you look at
who uses hotels and who uses Airbnb or other various
ways of staying over. And it comes, as we're seeing reports,
a sort of almost shanty towns now on the edge
of some of these very popular tourist destinations because locals
say they're unable to live there. So big protests saying

(01:34:37):
they want the government to act to limit tourism, but
also to say to make holidaymakers much or much less
welcome by perhaps spraying than with water pistols, and even
in some centers in the bally Erics islands of the
Off Africa that are Spanish saying that perhaps people should
put super glue in the locks of holiday apartments.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Oh lejes. That's rough, Gavin, thanks very much, appreciate it.
Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent. May make you feel unwanted today
nine away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Interesting little thing is happening in the UK at the moment.
This is along England's south southwest coast. They're catching heaps
of octopodes octopus because basically climate change obviously, but what
has happen Everything is climate change, isn't it. What's happening
is that they've got the guys who normally, you know,
go fishing and they catch the usual kind of stuff

(01:35:36):
like cod and whatnot, pollock that kind of thing, are
pulling it up and there's huge amounts of huge amounts
of octopus in there. And the octopus are really hammering
the crab farmers because they get into the craypots and
the crab pots and stuff, and young young eat that
stuff up for an easy feed. And so yeah, nobody's
happy out of this. And apparently, yes, it is the
climate change and all that kind of usual stuff that's

(01:35:57):
causing these fundamental shift they say, in the ocean around
that part of the world. Heather, you're getting migraines from
your nylon carpet properly, Heather, it must be your ADHD
that's giving you the migraines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, self diagnosed
self do well, that's what happens when you go onto

(01:36:18):
chat GPT and you go, do I have ADHD? It
goes sounds like it basically diagnoses you. Hither, you need
to cleanse your liver. It needs some help. Stop drinking alcohol,
take some milk thistle or liver support such as glutathione, Heather,
turn on the deep research, ask chat GPT for correlations
between fumes and migraines. Hither, it's probably their esters like

(01:36:39):
it is in the red wine and so on, to say,
do you know what, actually some of this is really
invaluable because somebody says it's the essential oils that are
in the perfume, And what it'll be is that there's
a regular essential oil that's popping up. So I'd sent
cousin Jamie a text just now said, what's the what's
the perfume that I made you throw away? So I'm
going to get that perfume and then I'm going to

(01:36:59):
cross reference the other one that I know and we're
going to figure this one out. I will never get
another Migraine in my life again.

Speaker 9 (01:37:04):
And are you going to go my way? By Lenny
Kravitz to play this out to? No, Sorry, it's quite
quite a loud song, so I maybe shouldn't have played
a forginning of Migraine. But Lenny Kravitz coming to New Zealand.
He was meant to be here in March twenty twenty.
Unfortunately at the time he said, due to COVID nineteen
and government restrictions, I have to cancel this, but I'm
hoping to be back soon. And he's done it. He's
come back. It's going to be his first show.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Ever in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (01:37:26):
It's going to be an Auckland. You're going to have
to get up to there. But it's at Spark Arena
on November the fifteenth. It's in support of his new album,
but the promoters have promised he's going to play all
hits as well. Why did you choose the song Ants
because it's the most up tempo out of the three
that everybody knows.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Why did you choose the song ants.

Speaker 9 (01:37:41):
Because it's the most uptemper That was That was the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Not because I told you that I heard it today.

Speaker 9 (01:37:45):
No, I'm I'm out of my story.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
I was like, oh, hold on, I was listening to
Lenny Kravitz today when I was doing bicep curls at leasmell.

Speaker 9 (01:37:54):
Isn't that everyone here that does Bicaid phills in the gym?
I think she really wants you to know that.

Speaker 13 (01:37:58):
Yeah, so listen to this. It was jazzi.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
It was fantastic. It's great for bicit kills anyway. Either
it's off to pie, mate, it's not off the pie,
it's off the poee go google as chet TPT.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
You're welcome. See tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
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