Full Show Podcast: 16 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's hither duplicy ellan drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Newstl said, b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today
Brad Olsen on whether we have actually got inflation beat
Wellington City councilor Diane Calvert on the crisis meeting that
should just be wrapping up right now, and we'll catch
up with the Daily Mail reporter who's been sent to
Matakopa because apparently the UK is now fascinating by the
missing family.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
To Heather duplic L.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
How good is that inflation number out today? Two point
two percent? We're there, baby, I've got the thing beat
pretty much bang on. We're Inflation's supposed to sit at
two percent, which is exactly halfway between one and three
in the target band. So we have made it. Got inflation.
It's been out of control in this country for three years,
finally back to where it's supposed to be, and I
think that that is absolutely reason to celebrate, isn't it?

(00:56):
Isn't that good? We're there, However, got a little problem
on our hands, which is the Reserve Bank, and I
think we need to talk about how badly these guys
have stuffed the situation up. I am stoked and very
very very excited that we're at two point two percent today,
but that number is also, unfortunately a pretty clear signal

(01:17):
of how badly the Reserve Bank has stuffed this up,
because look at where the official cash rate is still sitting.
It's still at four point seven five percent. So we've
got inflation exactly where we want it, and yet we've
got an official cash rate that is higher than what
the Aussies have. Now. Explain that to me, because our
inflation is where it's supposed to be, almost bang on
our ocr is sitting at four point seventy five percent,

(01:39):
Australia's inflation is still out of control. Their ocr is
lower than ours at four point three five percent. How
does that happen? That happens because our Reserve Bank overdid it.
They overdid it when they hiked, when they were pumping
the money in to the system, and then they overdid
it and they started raising the official cash rate and
they can't get it down fast enough. They are trying
very hard to get it down fast. They're dropping the

(02:01):
official cash rate faster now than they expect it to,
and I reckon they're gonna have to go even faster.
Watch the number of economists now line up to save
fifty basis point cut November is not going to be enough.
I mean a few months ago we thought fifty basis
points was a crazy idea. Now we're talking about the
possibility of seventy five in the next month, because we
need to get that ocr down fast, because the thing is,
the longer that it stays as high as it is

(02:22):
right now, the more people will lose their jobs, more
people will lose their houses, the more people will lose
their businesses. That is the cost of the Reserve Bank
making a mistake. The Reserve Bank doesn't get latitude like
the rest of us do.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Worst case scenario, if I stuff up my job, as
there are some kids who hear a swear word that
kind of thing, do you know what I mean? Worst
case scenario if a builder does something a bit fun
things are but on a lean worst case scenario, if
these guys stuff things up, people lose their jobs, their businesses,
and their homes. So they don't get the latitude the
rest of us too. They've got to nail this stuff.

(02:55):
You want to know the best that the worst bit,
rather about how badly they've stuffed it up, is that
we will still be paying the price for where the
OCR is sitting right now, which is too high, for
probably another year, because that is how long it takes
the OCR to wash through the system. So we've got
inflation officially in the right place today sixteen October twenty
twenty four, but we are still going to be punished

(03:16):
by an overly high OCR for another year through to
October twenty twenty five. So yeah, the inflation fight absolutely
is over, but the punishment got a way to go yet.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Haven't we Keller duper Clan nine two nine.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Two is the text number. You're welcome to get involved.
Standard techs fees apply now to the drama about the
Elfresco dining. You'll have caught up on this happening in Todanger,
also happening in Queenstown in Toadinger. The plan is to
charge businesses that use street space for dining up to
one hundred and fifty dollars a year per square meter
that they use. Local businesses are not happy with this,

(03:50):
so the council has now made a decision to give
all businesses a one hundred percent discount on those fees
until mid next year. Mahir Drysdale is the mayor of
todannger Hoi. Maham good afternoon is giving them a discount
of like a complete one hundred discount, not an admission
that you guys charging them this much is a bit
of a punish.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
No, I think it's it's a couple of reasons. So
these these fees came in on the first of July,
obviously before we were elected. We understand how tough it
is in the environment out there right now, you know,
in the CBD where we're trying to make it more vibrant,
you know, which has meant a lot of our hospitality

(04:29):
businesses have had to suffer through you know, construction works
all around them. And so you know, we want to
try to give them a little bit of a hand up.
You know, we do want to put these these agreements
in place. But we're saying is we're not going to
charge you and until at least next year, and that
will give us an opportunity to get out understand you know,

(04:50):
what the charges should be, and have them consult on
on those charges.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
So that does that that sounds to me like you
were prepared to have another look at it and maybe
bring those charges down. Is that right?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Absolutely, we haven't set these charges. You know, this was
inherited by us, so yeah, well absolutely you have a look. Obviously,
you know, we want these businesses to be around because
that drives the vibrancy of our city. So you know,
we want to work with for sector and make sure
that that you know, we're getting a return for them

(05:23):
using our space, but we're also supporting them and that's
that's very much. You know, what our counsel wants to
be is transparent in the county.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Mahe what does he gut tell you that that it's
maybe a little bit high because one hundred and fifty
dollars per square meter per year is what Auckland charge.
Is it like it's that's its highest charge in Auckland.
Is many times bigger than total.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, look, I don't know, to be honest, and you
know that's that's a conversation we need to have for
the people that are on the ground and using using
the space.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Yeah, but you know we've had.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
A very complicated them in place around you know what
what the sort of you know, how how good the
streeters and and all that sort of stuff. So what
we've tried to do is simplify that have a couple
of different charges. But you know, we're absolutely looking prepared.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
To look at that.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
And you know, at the moment, we're only being charging
the CBD nowhere else and we're sort of bringing these
charges in across the city. So you know, that's that's
something that we want to sort of consult on understand
should it be the same everywhere? And you know, what
should those charges be? And that's what we'll do over.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Over the next Yeah. Please, I'm sure people will be
pleased here listen to how on something else, I saw
that you voted against adding fluoride to the water because
you're not short's safe. What are you worried about?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think there's a there's a lot of studies and
obviously a court case and in a in a in
America that's just come out saying there's a unreasonable risk
to to you know, safety risks. So you know, all
all I really want to do is I want to
hear it from the d G that she's happy that

(07:08):
those you know, all those studies are you know, aren't
aren't valid and and she's still very comfortable, but it's
it's safe for our people and that's that's really you know, because.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
The last DG do the last d G Ashley Bloomfield,
decide that that it was compulsory it was going to
be added to water and stuff. So is his his
take on it not sufficient?

Speaker 4 (07:32):
I think there's just been further information since those decisions
were made, and I think I think, you know, those
those decisions should be be looked at with the research
and you know, if they come back to us and say, yeah,
it's absolutely safe, then you know, I'm very comfortable adding
it to the water. But they're also under a court case,

(07:54):
you know, against the Bill of Rights, and you know
that's that's something that they also need to con the
whether it's an impunement on our bella rights. And yeah,
once I've done that, you know, well we'll go along
with what the Director General of Health says.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
All right, my hair, thank you very much. I really
appreciate you time.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
This is my hair. Drysdale, Mayor of Toting. I imagine
quite a few business will be pleased to hear that
they're going to have a look at that. Listen from
one Council to another Wellington City Council now that meeting
should have just wrapped up. The meeting started at help
Us two and should have wrapped up at four o'clock.
There is no other way to describe this other than
a crisis meeting. It's clearly been called in order to

(08:31):
try to save the long term plans so that Tory
can take that plan to the Minister Simeon Brown when
they meet tomorrow and convince them they don't need intervention
because everything is tickety boo. I have not heard how
the meeting's gone, but I do not fancy Tory's chances
on this one because I'll tell you what. They have
not been able to reach agreement for how long now,
And if she thinks that one and a half hours
is enough to get everybody in that room to agree

(08:51):
to how they're going to plug a six hundred million
dollar gap, I don't know. It seems optimistic to me anyway.
One of the counselors in that meeting, Diane Helbert, is
going to be with us ten past five and let
us know how it goes or how it went rather
sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, It's hither duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Leap for business, US.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
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Speaker 3 (09:19):
Darcy water Grave Sports talk hosts me das.

Speaker 9 (09:22):
Don's wrong, Mike, do you think Don's playlist is going
to get any traction on Spotify? Sorry, ladies and gentlemen,
we're just talking about Donald Trump's for forty minute playlist.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I'm going to deal with the playlist. Yeah, because that
was that was an epic set of bangers, right, Okay,
listen to black Caps. Are they're going to take on
Indian and get us thrashing?

Speaker 9 (09:44):
Possibly not because it's raining at the moment the thunderstorm's predicted.
The black Caps haven't actually left their hotel yet. They
are still in their room waiting. Although where they're playing
the Chinnswami Stadium, it can drain ten thousand liters an

(10:05):
hour or something really that Yeah, so it'll rain stop raining, yeah,
so unlike what happened when they played against Afghanistan where
they had to swim out to the center.

Speaker 10 (10:15):
So we don't know whether they get out today.

Speaker 9 (10:18):
Who has any idea? And these thunderstorms are set to
hang around for the next few days, so it may
well end up that the weather saves it and we
might only get walloped to zip.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Okay, sorry, but we are going to get walloped.

Speaker 9 (10:34):
The stats say that the black Caps have won two
tests there and thirty six chances.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
So yeah, okay, so it doesn't look good.

Speaker 9 (10:42):
But as they always talk about when you read about
people investing, that you know past performance is no guarantee
of future performance, so you don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, okay, things may change. Trying to be optimistic, Yes,
of course i am.

Speaker 11 (10:53):
I'm a New Zealand cricket fan. I've been doing that
for years.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
What's wrong with the loose forwards?

Speaker 9 (10:58):
Oh they're all broken down?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Do we care? We're going to wallop Japan anyway?

Speaker 9 (11:01):
Well yeah, but more importantly after Japan there's a small
matter of a pile of Europeans have going to take
so well, we don't know. Ethan Blackadder is constantly breaking
his Calf's in a bit of trouble, so they're worried
about that. Dalton Papa Lee has an upper quad as
Sue I believe, so he's been sat down as well.

(11:24):
Peter Larky is coming in so and Jacobson is not around.
Apparently Luke Jacobson broke his thumb in the first twenty
minutes of that game. Over the weekend he can start and.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I can get on playing with approach of them.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Ah, whether it heals, whether it means. But Peter Larky,
the twenty one year old rampaging Lucy from Wellington, is
going to go over there, which is a shame for
Wellington because they are taking on, like I thought on
Saturday night at ten past seven, for a place in
the final of the NPC and they haven't got Peter Larky.

(12:00):
That is not ideal.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
It has ramifications. All right, Darcy, thank you. That's Darcy.
Are you ready for the Trump playlist?

Speaker 9 (12:07):
I don't believe he played Shenado O'Connor. He did well,
American right, hate it. She ripped up a picture of
the Pope on stage.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, but he did because nothing compares to him. That's
why stand by Darcy water Graves sports talk hosts back
at seven this evening. And also we're going to keep
you up to date with how the black Cats are
going throughout the show, and Warren.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
Wad She's going to join us as well to talk
about how you actually beat India in India besides Rain and.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Peter McGlashan will be with us at quarter past fives
to peace, stand by for Trump, be for twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
The name you trust to get the answers you need
Heather Dupless Allen Drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Let's get connected and news talk because.

Speaker 11 (12:45):
They'd be right.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Four twenty four. So Trump has been weird of the normal,
hasn't he. He was at a rally in Philadelphia, and
that's saying something because he's pretty weird. He was at
a rally at Philadelphia and at the end of the rally,
a couple of people fainted because it was quite hot,
and he decided the best thing to do in this
situation like that is basically changed tack completely and just
hit them with some tunes.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
This a Mas, whither is a Mas word?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
And then he spent forty minutes playing his favorite bangers.
What made it really weird is that he just stood
on the stage for the entire forty minutes. These are

(13:39):
the actual songs. This is the playlist he put together.
He swayed a bit. This is a swaying one. They
like that one. It's hard not to get caught up
in that one, isn't it? That's why the producer's given

(14:01):
me such a long bit of it.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
They liked it.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
He danced a little bit. It's a weird Max say, like,
if you went to a party, which is what his
rally is, would you go, do you know what I'm
gonna play?

Speaker 12 (14:24):
You?

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Hate? Hey?

Speaker 12 (14:25):
Hey? Hate?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Do you not play? This is a banger? Listen to
this one?

Speaker 12 (14:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You wouldn't this a song? He played it at his raelly.

Speaker 12 (14:37):
Hall.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
He had a bit of an Elvis medley. He had
a song and he didn't like all that much. Where's
politicians look out from minors?

Speaker 12 (14:50):
Not just much?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
But the next one he loved. He closed his eyes,
he was really feeling it. Even that is a banger, oh,
isn't it? And then he left on this one, tell
Your Fast to the Moon. Now, look, it's nine songs.

(15:18):
It takes a certain amount of confidence to play nine songs,
to look at people like, look at people and play
them nine songs? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 13 (15:27):
Like I reckon?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
I could I reckon? I would struggle to have a
room full of people be like I'm gonna play your
song and like that three minute song I would struggle
to stand there for three minutes to be like, yep,
I'm playing you a song. He did that for nine
songs for forty minutes. Whatever you say about Trump, he's
a funny manner. He is funny, Like that's a funny

(15:47):
thing to do. It's a bit deranged, it's a little
bit mental, but it's still quite funny. What a weird
mix of songs. Maybe you don't have one of his
part is anyhow, damn Mitchison on that. Shortly, just think
of this. Okay, no matter how weird you are, you're
not that weird. So that's good, isn't it. Headlines next.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
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and news talk because they'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
At the five o'clock. We're gonna have a chat to
Brad Olsen on the inflation. I'm going to get through
to some of the text about that. Actually very shortly. Listen,
we've got to talk about what's going on with the matter.
Corpa Dad, right, because this is one of the crazy
things that happened while I was away is that we
actually got footage of them. What's fascinating about this is
that the international media are really into it now, and

(16:54):
particularly in the UK. So the Daily Mail have like,
I sort of like they've got a little little saddle
office in Australia. This is Daily Mail out of the UK.
I've got a satellite office in Australia. They sent one
of the Australian based reporters over to Marta Copper and
the Laura is the reporter still here in New Zealand,
ye know, still hanging about, still hanging about. So file
some stories over the weekend, went rent to Tom Phillips's

(17:16):
dad's house. Dad was obviously like, get out of my
get off my land. You know that kind of thing,
that rural thing that you do. Anyway, file some stories.
Sounds like it was according to the newsroom. It was
leading the Daily Mail over the weekend on a couple
of a couple of occasions. People are really into it.
She's still in country. As Laura is just telling me
we're going to have a chat to her shortly. She

(17:36):
actually well, when I say shortly, I mean after half
past five. This is one of the headlines that she
ran inside details reveal how a fugitive father has managed
to survive in the wilderness with his three kidnap kids
as a cabal of key week Cookers helps them hide
from the cops. Cookers, by the way, are conspiracy theorists.
So if you're helping Tom Phillips, you're a cocker apparently. Anyway, Charlotte,

(17:59):
the Daily Mail report with us after half past five,
Barry sober in ten minutes time and damn Mitchison standing
by twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
So the US government has written to the Israeli military
demanding an improvement in the humanitarian situation in northern Gaza.
The letter hints that US military aid to Israel may
be cut if there's no improvement in the next thirty days.
He's a spokesperson for the US State Department.

Speaker 14 (18:24):
What we have seen over the past few months is
that the level of humanitarian assistance has not been sustained.
In fact, it has fallen by over fifty percent from
where it was at its peak. So the Secretary, along
with Secretary Arstin, thought it was appropriate to make clear
to the government of Israel that there are changes that
they need to make again.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Some Ozzie Labor MP's have anonymously criticized Prime Minister Elbow's
decision to buy that flash Cliff top multimillion dollar house.
A former labor polster has even compared the story to
Scomo's infamous trip to Hawaii. Opposition MP's have taken this
as a green light to stick their ales in as well.

Speaker 15 (18:58):
Just think that the timing and the tone of this one,
it has been a little bit tone deaf is what's
causing him griffic Just I think his judgment is brought
into question.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
And finally, the drummer of Queen has hinted that the
band may actually release some new music. How good is that?
Roger Taylor told Uncut magazine that he and Brian may
are open to making some new tracks if they feel
like they've got some good material. Queen's last album, And
This Is Why It's Important, was released in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
How long ago is that?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Thirty years four years after Freddie Mercury's death.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
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Speaker 3 (19:41):
Jan Let Simpson, US corresponder with US NOW Dan Hello, Hello,
What did you make of Donald Trump's epic music list?

Speaker 16 (19:50):
He doesn't have rhythm? We know that, I mean, yeah,
I mean you've been going over with some of the songs.
I mean Ymca and Shneid O'Connor, James Brown, I mean
Kamala Harris sent out a tweet saying, I hope he's okay.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
I mean it takes a.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Level of confidence. I Dan, you people are known for
your confidence in the States, but that is that's next
level to play nine tricks at people and just stand there.

Speaker 12 (20:14):
It is.

Speaker 16 (20:14):
It is a one writer I think it was with
the Washington Post wrote I feel I've lost my reality,
which I think may sum up best what happened there.
I mean, you know, is this Trump being Trump? Or
is this something along the lines of Joe Biden and
his eccentricity. I honestly don't know. Why would you be
doing something like this three weeks before the election?

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Well, because we're talking about him.

Speaker 16 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I guess so. And again
this was this happened in Pennsylvania. A couple of members
of the audience and one of his rallies fainted because
of the heat. And you know, so he said, you know,
I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna switch switch us off right now.
We're not gonna do any questions. Justice listen to this music,
and he says, hell wants to hear questions right, and
then all of a sudden he goes into his little

(20:55):
you know that we've seen him do before, but not
for whatever it was a half hour or thirty five minutes.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Did you know, though, Dan, that apparently he actually does
rate his playlist and apparently he likes to DJ on
the private.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Jet that act did not know.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, like this is not unusual for him, He actually does.
He backs himself as a purveyor of quality tunes.

Speaker 16 (21:18):
Well, I guess we'll have to nickname him something cool
like Grandmaster D or something like that if he doesn't
get the j.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Trump Dad joke right on the spot. Hey, So the election, though,
I mean, despite bright spots like this, apparently it's making
you people feel quite miserable.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well it is, I think.

Speaker 16 (21:34):
I mean, if you're feeling stressed out, I mean, you're
not alone, even if you're not from the US and
you're watching our election from over in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (21:39):
Unfall over here.

Speaker 16 (21:40):
There's a survey from Forbes that found about sixty one
percent of us say that it's affecting our mental health.
We've got anxiety and stress and feelings of fear when
you think about the election. And depending on the generation
you were born in too, I think the younger ones
like gen Z or Seeing were more stressed. Were some
of the older folks, you know, the over fifties and
sixties and seventies are just saying.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
You know, get on with it.

Speaker 16 (22:01):
But I know for a fact, and you may mock this,
but I think it's also impacting those people who report
on politics too. You know, a lot more people in
the last decade over here have gotten out of the
business and they switch professions, and many that I've talked
to at least see you know, it's a lot of
it's the stress and not only covering politics, but the
reaction that they get from from the public, you know,
the hammering about what they what they do, that's taking

(22:21):
a toll on them.

Speaker 13 (22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well maybe if I just did a bit of job,
they wouldn't get a hammering. I thought about that.

Speaker 16 (22:25):
Wow, Okay, I guess so, I guess so Present company excluded, I.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Mean, obviously, But the reason I say that is because
the mo We've just got stats out showing again how
low the trust media is, right.

Speaker 16 (22:37):
It is, it's down to something like thirty one percent,
where only you know, people say, well, you guys are
sort of trustworthy here. And you know, the Gallup which
does all these polls, goes back to the early nineteen
seventies and back then, I mean the trust was about
seventy percent, seventy two percent, and then they did it
again in the nineties and they found a smaller majority,
about fifty five percent trusted the news media. So the

(23:00):
question is what's going on? And I think it a
lot of this has to do where people get their
news from and how they consume news. That makes it
easy to understand why they may have the distrust because
more people are turning into thing to sources that have
really opinions than just facts. And you know, that's fine
to a certain extent, but you know, if you get

(23:22):
on one side and you're not going to see the
view of the other, then that obviously is going to
swear your opinion on the media of the trust that
you have.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
You do need a bit of balance. Hey, Dan, thank
you as always really appreciated. There's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent
on the cricket. It looks like the toss has been delayed.
Journals on the ground are reporting that the teams haven't
arrived yet, so we're gonna have to waste a little
bit see if that actually gets underway. On the text
through the inflation here that Adrian or is slow and
he's about two years behind where he should be. He

(23:49):
was slow to increase rates, he's going to be slow
to reduce them. And the politicians seems to be really
slow in firing the incompetent idiot. Unfortunately, he's independent. You
can't really be getting involved. But in terms of in
terms of a lack of confidence in his abilities, I
think we're all. I think many of us are starting
to join that particular camp. Hither, if inflation is at target,
then the ocr should be moved to a neutral level

(24:09):
of around three percent a SAP and not kept up
at some high restrictive level for the next year so
that the Reserve Bank can save face. Heither, you need
to calm down. The problem is that the non tradable
inflation is still five point five point eight percent. Mate,
what are you talking about? It's four point nine you're
like point nine of a percent off anyway, whatever, take
your point. Imported goods like fuel came down in the

(24:30):
exchange rate went up, so imported cost rop. But we
need to get domestic costs down to get internal inflation down. Now,
that's a fair point from Dave. If you drop the
ocr too fast, you run the risk of inflation shooting
back up again, and that is a risk. That is
a risk. But you can probably still bring it down
quite fast, can't you. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 3 (24:53):
So perceni your political correspondence with us. Now, hey, Barry,
So what is this about the teaching of mary being
and compulsory in some school.

Speaker 11 (25:00):
Well, it's really interesting because one of our listeners was
concerned that he had a student in a school in Wellington,
in just out of Wellington, in fact, it was called
Amesbury School, and he basically felt that his daughter was
falling behind in mathematics. So he went to the school

(25:22):
and she found that she was learning to write Maldy
and tikkanga and he felt that, well, hang on, what's
more important is it Maldy language or is it maths
and so he complained to the school but he was
told and I've seen an email that he got today
from the principle and I've got to say I talked

(25:42):
to the principal, Ershley Cunningham, who was very forthright. She
said that she had talked with the advisor she's got
at the Ministry of Education regarding this, and this would
have been over the past twenty four hours, and she
said she's been advised around the requisites for school curriculum,
local school curriculum. Any school can adopt a curriculum and

(26:05):
if it includes to Rail Maldy, the parents aren't consulted.
The school goes ahead and teaches it. And apparently it's
taught quite widely in Wonnington and I would imagine across
the country as well. Now, just a couple of years ago,
Calvin Davis was saying that lock Maldi language, we're not
ready for it to be compulsory in schools, but it

(26:29):
is compulsory because that child has no way out of
having to learn it. So Maldy, to all intents and purposes,
is compulsory the language to be learned in schools.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Well, in some schools obviously the well those who choose
the curriculum, Well, that would include it, indeed, And they've
got to abide by the Act.

Speaker 11 (26:49):
And the Act says that I have got to if
you listen to Urshela Cunningham, the school has to abide
by the Act and that's to take into a count
the Treaty of Whitehungy. And she said, as a result,
Tea Kanga and turol Mali are part of that.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Okay. Are we talking primary or secondary here?

Speaker 11 (27:10):
Primary here?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Okay? And so what's the if the parent has a
problem with this, why don't they just move the child
to a school that doesn't make Well, it's a.

Speaker 11 (27:19):
Bit of a big thing moving a child from a school,
as you'd probably appreciate. But you know, I think that
it should be surely over to parents to decide whether
they're children learn Mary or not to learn Mary. They
should be able to learn what the parent sees more appropriate.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
But parents mathematics or must play the devil's advocate, he
appearents don't get to choose whether the child learns maths
or not. So why should they get to choose whether
the child learns Maria?

Speaker 11 (27:46):
Well, Mary is English, yes, because we are an English
speaking country. Mary is a cultural thing and it's good
to know about a language. But then why do we
have to learn the language.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
We don't have to the school you do. It's an
official language. Okay. Anyway, Chris Hepkins has he actually put real,
real dollars on him becoming the next prime minister?

Speaker 11 (28:09):
Did he has? And you'll be aware of the poll
out last night, and of course you are that if
you look at the personal ratings, Chris Hopkins was down.
But nevertheless he says that he will be the prime
minister after the next election. Now, he was challenged about
that on news Talk z B by Nick Mills and

(28:32):
Wellington and he said that he would put money on it,
and he said, let's go for a thousand bucks, said Nick,
let's place the bet. Yeah, now, now let's do it. Well,
he said, would go to their favorite charity. And Chris
Hopkins says, yes, absolutely, I'm on good as gold. So

(28:55):
he won't only lose the next election if he still
runs the losing a thousand. The fact is that it's
very difficult for the Labor Party at the moment because
they've got well, I'm better off to stick with Chris
Hipkins because chances are they will lose the next election.
I would say I'd put money on that myself, but

(29:15):
you know, they really haven't got any candidates that you
could readily identify in the Labor Party at the moment.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Hey, the Greens, this meeting that they're having about kicking
Darleen out tomorrow night. Are they doing it online? Are
they doing it in person?

Speaker 11 (29:29):
No, they're doing it. It's a zoom meeting and they'll
have the requisite number there as I understand it that
some other members of the party that are pretty hot
on the walker jumping legislation, they'll be able to have
a say, but that'll be limited, very limited and strictly
adhered to.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Oh, this is outside of the side of the delegates.

Speaker 11 (29:51):
Yes, and once they've concluded that meeting. I've been told
from talking around the Greens today that the walker junking
jumping legislation will be put in force, which means the
Greends would write to the Speaker. Now, the Speaker won't
be able to take any action on it before next

(30:12):
Tuesday because Thursday night Parliament goes into recess for the weekend.
So the next time they're back, that's when it will
be invoked and he will declare that a seat is
vacant and it'll be the seat of Darhli in Tana.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Interesting. Hey, thank you, Barry, appreciate it. Barry Soper, Senior
Political Correspondence, eight away from five, putting.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
The tough questions to the news speakers. The mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:38):
The interventionism of the Supreme Court. You Zeeland, the initiative
chair and senior fellow Roger Partridge is well, We'm glad
somebody's finally got onto this because this has been concerning
me for absolutely ages. Is it the individual group of
judges at the Supreme Court level that we just happen
to have got some sticky peaks, or is it the
court itself?

Speaker 18 (30:55):
It's more the current judges. We've always had activist judges
within our senior courts. A movement has gained momentum over
the last few years, so we are seeing a court
that's much more activist, to the point where we're at
a bigboy to the riskers. They're perceived as substituting their
own values for those of them. I'm a law it's
obvious that they're not equipped.

Speaker 12 (31:14):
To do that.

Speaker 17 (31:15):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the laugh used talk zb Heather.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's such a shame that the Darlene Tanna entertainment is
going to end soon. I don't know if it's going
to because don't forget. Even if she gets booted out
of parliament, right, she's still going to the Court of Appeals.
So the thing still drags on. So maybe it gets better,
but it's still kind of like I think we can
still we can still have a bit of fun that
will still enjoy it. Hither, come on, by all means,
if you're ma already learned the language, but if you're not,

(31:41):
why would you, Well, you're kind of asking the wrong
person here, because I did for about five years. I'm terrible.
I'm shocking how hard it is when you're an adult.
But I did it because why would you only want
to be able? Why would you only want to speak
one language? It just feels like, yeah, it feels a
bit dumb, doesn't it to only speak one language. It's

(32:01):
kind of cool to have a couple up your sleeve
sort of understand how these things go. And if you're
going to learn one, you may as well learn that.
Ll learn whatever you want, learn any other language. But
for God's sake, do learn another one. Anyway, what's going
on in Wellington? Okay, So these guys came out of
the meeting meeting wrapped up. Sounds like just before four
o'clock and all of a sudden everything is just tikety boo.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
It was.

Speaker 19 (32:23):
I think it was quite a productive meeting, and I
think that we had a very open discussion.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Everything's on the table, which is what.

Speaker 20 (32:30):
I wanted to hear as the most productive meeting we've
as city councilors in this trianium. And I think there
was a lack of ego in the room for once,
lack of politics. The airport's done and dusted, No one's
religating that and we're moving on.

Speaker 10 (32:43):
So I think there's a great deal of enthusiasm to be.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Able to be proactive and responsible in the way we
addressed this current challenge.

Speaker 15 (32:50):
I now consider it as part of my responsibility to
try and bring the council.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Back together for the good of a city. So they
had their most productive meeting today, and the thing that
it took to get them to have their most productive
meeting was the threat of government intervention. So they've been
dicking around for all this and that suddenly they're having
the most productive meeting because now suddenly we're like, guys,
we're att aguts full of your nonsense. Now that oh not,
now they're productive. Anyway, We're going to talk to Dan

(33:17):
Diane Calvert about that. Ten past five and straight after
the news brad Olsen on inflation.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Heather Do to c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand,
let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Afternoon. Inflation is officially back where it belongs. CPI for
Q three came in at two point two percent today.
That is well within the one to three percent target range.
Now this puts pressure obviously on the Reserve Bank to
continue dropping the official cash rates significantly before the end
of the year. Brad Olsen is in for metrics principle economist.
Hey Brad, good evening. Now we can't say it's totally beaten,

(34:00):
because obviously it could rise again. How do you rate
the chance that inflation goes back up?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (34:06):
Look at the moment, it's an exciting day to see
inflation back in the target band and I'll take that
for the moment. Yes, there are always risks abound, particularly
you know, you look at the likes of fuel prices
which have come down in the last quarter or so.
That's been encouraging, but at the same time always a
risk that you know, foreign activities come through and you
have conflict that means that fuel prices rise, so that

(34:27):
there's a risk. You're totally right, and certainly this inflation
figure as well that was published today has been affected
by a number of government policy changes, the likes of
the family Boost scheme for early childhood, the return of
prescription charges, the end of the Auckland Regional fuel tex.
So there's a lot of moving parts. But long story short,
those core measures of inflation are in a better place.

(34:47):
We've got headline inflation back in the target band and
actually pretty close to the midpoint. Inflation was better than
is a good result. It does, I think also reinforce
why the Reserve Bank was to go with that fifty
basis point cut last week, because it is obviously quite
clear that phase and basing there's no need much restriction

(35:09):
on them.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Listen, Brad, your phone is just cracking up. So if
you've moved into a spot that's a bit dodgy, moved
back to the other spot that you were at at
the start, because that was pretty good. Do you think
now that inflation is sitting at two point two percent,
that the OCR at four point seventy five percent is
too high?

Speaker 10 (35:25):
Yes, quite clearly, that the official cash rate is too high.
And I think that's why there is a strong possibility
now that the Reserve Bank will have to not only
continue to cut the official cash rate more aggressively than
it might have originally intended to, but it does open
that strong possibility of a seventy five basis point cut
in November when they meet in a couple of weeks time,

(35:45):
because they'll be looking at taking a three month break
a twelve week break over summer. Obviously, inflation is in
a better position, the economy doesn't need to be restricted
as much, and so they might well need to accelerate
how quickly they try and normalize things.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
So if it's if four point seventy five percent is
too high, where should it be?

Speaker 10 (36:03):
You've got to feel like at the moment, probably somewhere
around three and a half is sort of the sheet
plate place to get to.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then we're talking about one hundred and twenty five basis
point cut and they've only got one more cut left
this year.

Speaker 10 (36:15):
Yes, but and this is the challenge, is that around
three and a half is probably where you want to
get to.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
Now.

Speaker 10 (36:19):
The risk is if you did something crazy like one
hundred or one hundred and twenty five, I think that
would signal to people that you've sort of lost all control.
And so I think it's something like seventy five. The
Reserve Bank can say, look, we're not saying we're wrong,
but we're saying that we're wrong enough that we probably
need to accelerate things without putting it down and writing
anything more sounds like absolute emergency alarm bells gfc's just
happen again. And we're not quite in that position, because

(36:42):
otherwise you would start to go, well, the Reserve Bank
might be doing the right thing, but do I trust
them that they've actually got any idea what they're doing.
If they had to go so big, oh, fifty is
sort of saying that they need to accelerate it. Seventy
five would be a big move, but they could probably
justify it in November, but they couldn't keep doing it
time and time again, So there's a little bit of
a balance for them in terms of do they go
big once and try and sort of really try to

(37:03):
get things down, but also they don't want to get
their inflation fighting credibility back and then also lose it
at the same time by everyone saying we've just always
moved too late on this stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Brad, Have they realized that they got it wrong.

Speaker 10 (37:16):
They'll never say it, but I mean put it this way.
They had twenty five basis point cut in August. They
followed that up with a fifty that wasn't really what
their own forecasts were implying. Of course, go back to May,
and they were expecting interest rates might have to remain
high or go up. So I think that sort of
pivot that they've had, despite the fact that there aren't
as many pictures of all of this from the Reserve Bank. Yes,

(37:38):
they have got it wrong. They've moved too slow. They
move too slow on raising interest rates. They've now moved
too slow to bring them down, and that's quite clearly
causing economic pain.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Good stuff, Brad, thank you very much, just as I thought.
That's Brad Olson, principal economist to add Informetrix five eleven.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Heather duple Syl Wellington.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
City councilors have emerged from that urgent closed door crisis
meeting this afternoon. It was called by the mayor Tory
far She says, by the way, she's not even close
to resigning, and she's requested a meeting with Local Government
Minister Simeon Brown tomorrow.

Speaker 21 (38:06):
The bar is pretty high for government intervention. We've not
met that threshold.

Speaker 13 (38:10):
So I want to meet with Minister Brown and show
him that we're going to be fine.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Wellington City Councilor Diane Calvitz with us. Now, Hey, Diane, Hi, Heather. Okay,
So obviously it was a crisis meeting that was called
in order to save the long term plan, so that
Tory can go to sime And tomorrow and say here,
we've got we've got a plan. You don't need to intervene.
Have you saved the long term plan?

Speaker 21 (38:30):
Well, look, let's a start. I mean, you know, now,
you know, people around the council table are acknowledging that
we need to make some cuts in our expenditure and
and you know, we had a good discussion about the
areas that we need to look at and sort of

(38:50):
the rough amounts we might need to cut.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
How much do you need to cut?

Speaker 21 (38:55):
Well, you see, that's the thing is, we're still not
sure because the information that we've had getting from our
offices has been varied. But we're looking sort of between
three to five hundred million at this stage, which you
know that might be too much or you know it
may not be enough.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
So what are you going to cut?

Speaker 21 (39:12):
Probably it's likely to be in the transport space because
that's where you know a lot of our money is going.
And probably we're going to have to look at how
we can work smarter and cheap and quicker in some
of our social housing upgrades as well, because there's a
lot of money being invented.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
But so you guys have agreed to cut somewhere in
the region of three to five hundred million, and probably
in the transport space. This doesn't sound like a like
a like a plan has been nailed down.

Speaker 21 (39:42):
The plan hasn't been nailed down.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
So there's no plan for her to take to Simon tomorrow,
then is it.

Speaker 21 (39:46):
I think what she's got is an approach to take
to Semi and saying I've got agreement around the table
that we will make cuts. They're roughly in this area.
They're going to be roughly around this amount of money,
but we we need more time to do more work.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Now, Diane, that's lovely, but I mean, you guys all
got together with the view of working together at the
very start, and things have fallen apart, right, So this
means absolutely nothing, doesn't it, because there's no there is
no assurance that you guys will actually be able to
agree on what to cut in the transport space.

Speaker 21 (40:17):
Well, it was an effective stuff, but there's more work
to be done, and I think that's why. You know, Look,
you know, a facilitator is still required because toy does
need some assistance to help and navigate through the next
few months at least.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Okay, so you still think government intervention is necessary, Well.

Speaker 21 (40:35):
I think, you know, I think you know, the mayor
really does need some assistance because we've been we've taken
us two years for this to sort of come to
boiling point, but we've seen it, you know, building up
over it over a time. So look, a good start
today is a good feel around the table, but as

(40:56):
you said, it's just pretty much high level and the
devil's all in the detail.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Hey, last I heard you guys all came down from
your meeting and the media was standing in the four
year Did Tory come down in the end or she's
still up there in the office.

Speaker 21 (41:10):
I never saw her come down, so I'm not aware
that she did, so I know some of us councilors
did come down.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Okay, Diane, thank you has always really appreciated Ian Calvert,
Wellington City Council. Laura is telling me in my headphones, Nay,
she didn't come down. Well, I mean at least she
hasn't got COVID right, so that's something she showed up
for the meeting today. So you know, we'll take small
mercy of the countdown. Blessings Now cricket. Okay, the rain

(41:41):
is now, it has it has subsided to something of
a drizzle. There are some people who are optimistic that
the game is going to go ahead. The match. Fifty
people have turned up at the ground, so we'll go there.
Next we'll go we'll talk to Peter McGlashan, form a
black cap and just see how we're going to go
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(42:48):
after seven.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Heather Do for cl right now, it's nineteen.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Past five now yet another Black Caps test has been
delayed because of the rain. We already had to can
the whole Afghanistan Test because of the wet weather and
we lost two Zip and try Lancers, the whole tour
of the subcontinent isn't going all that well. Peter McGlashan
is a former Black capin with us. Now, Hi, Peter,
good evening, Good to talk to you again. Now, Peter,
tell me, Okay, should we be annoyed that the Test

(43:13):
is delayed or should we be relieved that we don't
have to watch India smash us?

Speaker 22 (43:17):
Well, I mean it is just the first morning, so
we'd hope there wouldn't be too much smashing going on.
What it does do is it buys New Zealand a
little bit more time to decide on their playing eleven.
So because the game hasn't started yet, no one will
have necessarily finalized who's going to be in, who's going
to be out, And I guess we all wait with
baited breath to see one of the old experience players

(43:37):
like Tim so you're going to get another crack, or
whether or not they go with some of the young
bowlers like Willow rock Well.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Tom Lathan must be feeling the pressure here.

Speaker 22 (43:46):
It's been a while since he's captained in this form
of the game. I think everyone has also been a
little bit critical of his own form, so it's never
easy to get handed the captain's arm badge when you're
not necessarily on top of your own game. But he's
a pretty level headed chap and I'm sure he would
have enjoyed the challenge whenever he gets the chance.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Because of how dominant India are, right and because of
how rare it is for us to win over there,
what would we consider a measure of success coming out
of this.

Speaker 22 (44:15):
Yeah, I think just being competitive across the whole game.
The conditions are going to be really trying. It's not
going to be I guess a favorable time for the
New Zealanders. The weather does it level the playing field
a little bit? Obviously they're in India at a time
of the year where it's not necessarily as hot and
dry as other times when you're over there. But the

(44:36):
test form is there's no way to hide. You're out
there for five days and reality is that generally the
best team will come out on top, as opposed to
the T twenty format where it's a bit more of
a lottery. So they just want to be competitive. They
want to make sure that they put in a better
performance than the recent series of Actualinka.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Peter, good to talk to you mate, Thank you so much.
Peter McGlashan former black Cap here the come on, you
can't expect the Wellington City councilors to come up with
five hundred million dollars in savings and just a couple
of ours. Get real, hey, listen to this, Okay. They
haven't been trying to come up with a solution to
the long term plan in the last couple of hours.
It has been apparent for months that the airport shares

(45:12):
sale was going to flop potentially, and that that would
mean that the long term plan was going to flop potentially.
So they have had months to think about this, months
and months and months and months and months, and they
haven't come up with a plan yet. And I don't
know if that if going to Sime in tomorrow and say,
saman you don't know, you don't need to intervene because
the counselors all agree we're going to work together now nicely.

(45:34):
I don't think that's going to fly. And also, PS
Tory was up like the thing fell over on Thursday, right,
so Thursday she's like that's not a big deal. Friday
not a big deal. Saturday not a big deal. Sunday
not a big deal, Monday not a big deal. Tuesday
not a big deal. Today, urgent meeting, big deal. So
I think there's your problem right there. Everything's not a
big deal until it's a crisis anyway, whatever, all power

(45:58):
to her. I think she's got come and what exactly
what she needs to have coming at her. We're going
to talk next about Chris Luckson. What's going on with
that pole? Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
you talk.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
As there'd be five twenty five.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Okay, on that poll last night, the pole said that
fifty one percent of us, which is more than half,
say that Chris Luckson is out of touch. More than
half is a big number.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
That's you can't just be like that pole sucks. You
got to listen to that now. Immediately you would assume
that what that is if you're talking about being out
of touch as a commentary on his wealth, right, he's
so rich, he's out of touch. But I don't think
I don't think that's his problem because John Key was
way richer, and we didn't say this about John Key.
He polled extremely high. Mark Mitchell has a gazillion houses.

(46:49):
We don't say this about Mark Mitchell. So why are
we saying this about Chris Luckson. I think that there
is something else going on here, and I think it's
kind of brutal, I must say it. I think that
there's something else that's a problem for Chris Luxen is
that he's a try hard. He's not authentic.

Speaker 23 (47:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
If you listen to his weekly interview with Mike in
the Mornings, that laugh, that laugh comes out too often,
sounds like a guy who is trying desperately to make
Mike like him. The freu is gonna have rail or not.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Look tracks the dawn.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Now, if you go and watch his tiktoks, don't go
watch his tiktoks. It's awful. It's actually so cringe it's unbelievable.
I can't explain why his wife a bucket of water
on him. I've no idea. I don't know why that happened.
It was weird. I also don't know why he did
an entire thirty second TikTok video just using kids slang, and.

Speaker 12 (47:41):
Heasy on back on track, no cap fu man in
School's eight and I left no crumbs slay.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
The only explanation is that he's trying really hard to
make us like him, and he's a try hard now.
In person, I really like Chris Luxon. He's actually a
really nice guy. He's engaging, he's warm, he's got real
good chat. But I do not see that when I
watch him on TV or social media, and I do
not hear that when I hear him on the radio.
That says to me, the problem is a lack of authenticity. Right,
that's a really big problem for a politician. I studied

(48:11):
political science post the graduate level, and there's a lot
of research on the fact that the most important thing
that you have to have is authenticity, and he hasn't
got it. John Key was authentic. He was as goofy
in person as he was on the Telly. Helen was authentic.
She was as stern in person as she was on
the Telly. Right, Luxon's not authentic. That is what he
needs to fix. This is fixable for him. He can

(48:31):
repair this. He needs to be authentic, and I think
that that is what the Pole is hinting at. He
is out of touch with himself.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Togever do for see, Ellen, we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Talk to the huddle about it, though with us obviously
shortly it's Jack tam and David Farrer and David obviously,
I mean, David's been around doing bloody poles and stuff
for the longest time and I'm quite keen to hear
what he thinks the problem is here. But listen, straight
after the news, we're gonna have a chat to the
Daily Mail reporter who's been into over here out of
Australia because the people in the UK are absolutely fascinated

(49:04):
by Tom Phillips and his missing kids. She is still
in country. Do you know what if anybody's gonna track
them down, it's the Daily Mail?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Do you know that?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Like, it's not gonna be the police or the Essay Esa,
It's gonna be the Daily Mail. She's gonna pay somebody.
I don't know, is that is that the defenatory to
say that about the date? And it's the Daily Mail.
They're gonna pay somebody, They're gonna find them, They're gonna
get the story. We'll talk to her next.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
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New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as it'd be.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Like, right the huddler standing by.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
We have, as I said earlier, Jack named David Barrow
with us shortly. I told you yesterday that the Aussies
look like they are going to all that they are
are gonna get rid of just ban the search is
on using your debit card, not touching the credit card
just yet, use it just on the debit card. Apparently
our minister who's in charge of the stuff the comm
moves Mini standrew Billy's also pretty interested in doing a
similar thing. So he's gonna be us after six o'clock.

(50:11):
And I've got to tell you about eyesight. This is
absolutely fascinating to stand by. Heather Luxe and hates controversy.
He's getting a reputation for having no balls where Winston
and Seymour have and that's his problem. I think that
that is probably actually part of it is that I
think we all realize there are some pretty narly issues
to be dealing with right now, and I think what
we would appreciate is spine on those things that may

(50:36):
not be coming through in the focus groups. Fortunately, David
does focus groups and he's with us shortly twenty three
away from.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Six Heather duper Cela.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Turns out there is now actually a significant international interest
in the story of Tom Phillips and his three kids,
who've been missing since twenty twenty one around Marta Krper.
The Daily Mail has even gone as far as sending
one of their journalists here to cover the story. That
journalist to Charlotte carp who is with us. Now, Hey, Charlotte, Hi,
are they really that interested? Where are they? Is this
UK interest or Ossie interest?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
It's a bit of both, but most of it comes
from the UK.

Speaker 24 (51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
Why, I think the UK are really into missing people's stories,
and they really like a survivalist story, and I guess
this is the ultimate survivalist story. You've got a dad
and three kids living off the land. You know, that's
just I think that's unheard of over there.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So yeah, yeah, So why did you guys decide that
the people helping them out? Because clearly there aren't people
in the area helping them out. That that cookers.

Speaker 24 (51:39):
I just wrote to a.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
Lot of people and that was what they had to say.
They gave me a couple of reasons about why that
would happen made sense to me. So yeah, enough people
said it that, but.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
That that cookers like that. It's a it's like a
conspiracy theory thing that's going on here?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Or is it just are you just using that term
like just a bit weird?

Speaker 23 (52:01):
Ah?

Speaker 24 (52:03):
I mean I think yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
I mean I definitely had a mix of opinions when
I spoke to people. Some people were saying conspiracy theorious,
others were saying not. I mean, you know, I can't say.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
For sure, have you got any I mean, look, I'll
tell you what, Charlotte. If I had to put my
money on, who's going to find them? It's the Daily Mail?
So how close have you got?

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Oh, they're walking past right now now that you mentioned.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
How close do you reckon? You've got to them?

Speaker 5 (52:34):
I've been here since Monday, so that's anyone's guess. Probably
not super close, but you know, I keep an eye
out like everybody does.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
I guess was it was it the image of them
in the camo gear walking through the bush that really
got the people in the UK phism?

Speaker 5 (52:52):
I think it did.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, yeah, because it is just it's such a wild
thing to see a dad doing with their kids. Yeah. Absolutely,
would you pay for info.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
If it was genuine?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
How much would you pay, Charlotte?

Speaker 25 (53:11):
It depends what it is.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
It depends what the information is. I don't think that
there's a news outlet in Australia that wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So all right, kind of information.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Okay, So what's your theory. Having spent some time on
the ground, having talked to a lot of people, what's
your theory about where they are? Are they being helped
out by a lot of people or just a few?

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I mean, this is just my opinion from talking to people.
I think that they're being helped out by a few people,
for sure. I don't think it's a whole you know,
I don't think it's the whole of this area of
New Zealand. But yeah, I think that there are people helping.
I've had people say that they would help if they
came knocking.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Oh really, because what they feel sympathy for him?

Speaker 25 (53:53):
Yeah, yeah they do.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Why do they feel sympathy for him?

Speaker 5 (53:57):
They say, he's just a dad who loves his kids
and he wanted to protect them from whatever is going
on in the courts.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Ah, So it's a running from a custody thing, is it?

Speaker 5 (54:09):
I think so?

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah? And do you do you think the people helping
are just like an extended family and friends or is
there some sort of an organized thing going on here,
like a church group or something.

Speaker 21 (54:19):
I couldn't say.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
You know, it could be a mix, but I can't say.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
For how long are you sticking around for Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Probably just the end of the week.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Well, good luck. If you're running out of time, you
need to find them fast. I really appreciate your time.
That Charlotte carp Daily Mail Australia senior reporter who's been
sent here to keep an eye on it. Fascinating A
nineteen away from.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
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Speaker 3 (54:45):
Right on the huddle with me this Even've got Jack Dame,
host of Q and A and Saturday Mornings, David Farrah
Curia Pulsa and here we blog it a A hello
you two. Okay, David, what's the problem with lux and
why to fifty one percent of us think that he's
out of touch.

Speaker 23 (54:59):
The nature of that question and it's a very interesting
one because it's a he asked all around the world.
Because one of the things in polling and politics is
you you always want to patrol to portray the other
side as our touch, and it tends to get people
a green unless you're quite exceptional, because look, the average

(55:20):
person never thinks the prime minister or ministers are particularly
in touch. So the nature of the question, have you
asked there about other party leaders? You probably get similar results.
On top of that, though that is partly a wealth thing,
as partly he saying, yo, does this person understand what
it's like to be poor, etc. So when you get

(55:40):
that combination that you're an incumbent and you're wealthy, you
tend not to do on that but to put it
in context. Though Luxn's overall favorability is around my latest
poll plus four. Now you can look at them and
say that's not great plus four. You know, we had
just sender John Key at plus threety plus forty, but
lock around the world, Alban Thees is minus twenty. Kea

(56:03):
Starmer's at minus thirty.

Speaker 13 (56:05):
By them, well he's dead.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I think you are giving me the worst examples, though,
David Barra, don't try and play that trick with me.

Speaker 23 (56:13):
Most incumbents are actually unpopular. So when you're at plus five, yes, yeah,
that's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
But why is he not doing as well as jk
Helensinda et cetera.

Speaker 23 (56:26):
Jake, Kay and Jasinder were once and a generation.

Speaker 13 (56:31):
Politicians to connect well are spoiled? You know, Look you
look at Australia, remember that many of their elections were
contests between two politicians at minus twenty and when English
went up against Jasinda, they were both at round plus forty.

Speaker 23 (56:50):
And I don't think we realize how rare that is.
That's a really popular choice.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Okay, Jack, what do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (56:57):
Yeah, I think you guys have covered it off. I've
just had a couple of things. I think we forget
that he's actually pretty new to politics and he's been
out of New Zealand for a long time, so it's
been overseas for a while. And I'm not saying he
doesn't understand New Zealand, but I think there's some like
contextual stuff that you always benefit from if you've been
here for a longer period recently. I also think having

(57:17):
not been in politics as long as as both John
Key and Justindra are doing were before they became Prime minister,
and but English as well. Maybe his political instincts aren't
quite as well honed yet as some of his predecessors.
And one last thing I'd add is, just like on
the communication front, as you both mentioned, John Key and

(57:38):
Jacindra durn were just extraordinarily talented, talented communicators in their
own in their own ways, quite quite different ways. And
I just think it's incredibly hard act to follow. When
you're in that role as Prime minister, everyone expects you
to have, you know, absolutely perfect communication skills. And I
don't think Christopher Lax is a bad communicator, but he's

(57:59):
not able to kind of be nearly as natural and
every man as John Key was able to do, which
is remarkable given john Key's worth, what a couple hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, true, Okay, guys, we'll take a break. Come back
very shortly sixteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
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Speaker 3 (58:18):
Hey, Tory Farner has just put out a statement. I
can immediately see that they are in trouble. I'm going
to run you through that before the end of this
half hour. Right now you're back with a huddle, Jack
taym and David Farres, Speaking of which, Jack, do you
think that this meets a threshold? Do you think that
they have done enough in this meeting to be able
to stop the Minister intervening in the council?

Speaker 12 (58:37):
Well, it absolutely depends on the plan that she's going
to be presenting to the Minister and whether or not
there's a feasible way they're going to be able to
pass this long term plan.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
So the plan is this, Jack, The plan is that
they've agreed to cuts off roughly between three to five
hundred million, but they haven't agreed where the cuts are
going to come from, and they haven't identified the projects.
Is that enough?

Speaker 12 (58:57):
I don't think it's going to be enough by itself
to stop the Minister from intervening. But I also think
I know that this minister is very, very enthusiastic about
maintaining community level democracy. We all remember that he restored
democracy and Todung It is one of his very first
actions as the Local Government Minister. So so presuming he
sticks with that ethos despite the very obvious problems they

(59:18):
have in Wellington, I don't think that will necessarily be
the death knell like that, they may still have an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
A Crown monitor does not remove the democracy.

Speaker 12 (59:29):
So that's not he it's not a commissioner. No, No,
it's like the first step, right, yeah, and and and
and they may he may well consider that it meets
that threat, meets that threshold. I certainly don't think it
meets the commissioner threshold just yet. But if they can't
agree on these cuts and where these cuts need to be,
and can't therefore pass a long term plan, well clearly

(59:49):
that that, you know, that makes things a whole lot
worse than they already are, and they're already pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
David, I don't think this saves a day, Like to
a one and a half hour crisis meeting on a
Wednesday ahead of a meeting with the minister on a Thursday.
Just smacks of desperation, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
There's a band aid.

Speaker 23 (01:00:06):
But having said that the government shouldn't intervene in my view,
both on principal and politics. The principal cases that the
threshold should be very high. They didn't intervene when Tim
Shedbot was obviously dementing. You have to actually be failing
like ekem were at your statutory levels.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
There's elections a year.

Speaker 24 (01:00:28):
So the principal case.

Speaker 23 (01:00:30):
Isn't their front invention just because their muppets doesn't actually
mean with their muppets we voted for.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
But the political case is stronger.

Speaker 23 (01:00:38):
Why would you want to intervene and have Wellington's problems
become central governments?

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Respond?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You make a very good point, David, and I thought
about this, and I reckon, I've got the answer for you.

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You put a Crown monitor in there who just basically
holds their hands so it looks like you're doing something
when you're not actually doing all that much and you're
not taking on their problems. But what it also does
then it helps your local Wellington based MP, who frankly
can't win a seat and need some assistance, being Nicola Willis,
so she gets some credit for the fact that she
has actually taken this seriously and stepped in there, but
without actually having to take responsibility. Do you see what

(01:01:09):
I mean?

Speaker 23 (01:01:11):
Here's what's more important than Nicola winning Ohario. If you're national,
he's winning your next election. Here's what I would I'd
tell the whole country want to know a Labor.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Green government will look at.

Speaker 23 (01:01:26):
Because it's the feast promotion against a Labor Green government.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
So I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
This is actually a fair point, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:01:35):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
If you just let Tory carry on down the path
that she's going down, you basically just write the advertisement
for what the Greens and Power look like.

Speaker 12 (01:01:44):
Well, I think from a perspective, I think from a
strategic perspective, David's one hundred percent right. The thing is, though,
I mean, like Tory has, to your points, has arguably
been let down by people who are supposed to be
on her side of the political divide.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
But this also makes the excuses for Toy no I
know I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (01:02:07):
I'm saying I think I think Toy has been let
down by people on the left in her in her council.
Like I think there's an argument to be made that
she has been let down by the more left leaning
members of Wellington Council, but.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Also without that she's doing a fine job of letting
herself down.

Speaker 12 (01:02:22):
I also, well, I mean, you know, she was the
one seeking to compromise and sells he is well into
the airport right, and it was it was people on
the left of her who ultimately opposed that for various reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
That's not the problem. That's not that is not the
sole problem.

Speaker 12 (01:02:37):
I'm not saying it's good. I'm not Look, I'm really
not defending her at all. I'm not defending the council
at all. I think it also speaks to people like
completely misunderstanding the dynamics and council versus central government. They
are entirely different beasts. Running them is entirely different, and
I think local council is arguably much much more complex

(01:02:58):
than than central government. And actually, you know, there's a
good argument to be said that actually before you become here,
maybe getting a bit more experienced in local government would
be a valuable thing because you can realize the importance
of consensus and when you look at consensus, When you
look at consensus, I think it's very hard to go
past how Wayne Brown has performed and surprised a lot
of people in building consensus on both sides of the

(01:03:21):
political aisle. Wayne appear all from the Wellington right now
and there you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Vote for the old guys. Hey, what happened to Donald Trump?
David what was up with that?

Speaker 23 (01:03:32):
Doesn't probably him has more benign where he just decides
to stop talking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 23 (01:03:39):
Any other politician who did that, you'd be calling the
ambulance up to say comply, side check, wouldn't you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
But what Trump?

Speaker 23 (01:03:48):
This is like totally in character, probably some of the
least concerning stuff he could do. And that is sort
of why they like him too, Like, look, he's crazy,
but that's a fun crazy where he's so unconventional people
like we were talking but before about luxing people who

(01:04:09):
support Trump, and I don't like him because he's himself.
He does this authentic, nutty dark which any professional press
secretary would not be saying, Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

Speaker 12 (01:04:21):
Just stop talking and dance for the guys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Listen, I really appreciate talking to the pair of you.
Thank you so much, Jacks and David barras seven away
from six.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
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Talk Zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Okay, so here's the problem. So Torris put out her
statement Mayoral statement on the Long Term Plan Amendment, blah blah,
blah blah blah. I want to assure the public that
as we go through this process, I do not intend
to cut projects that are critical for our city's growth
and sustainability. For me, that means protecting our social housing
and continuing funding for water and climate initiatives. Okay, there's
a hint at a problem here. Blah blah blah. There

(01:05:07):
was a shared commitment for the council to investigate the
sale of ground leases and credit carbon credit holdings to
form the basis of a fund or other insurance mechanism
they can offer both returns. Blah blah blah. Okay, there's
your problem. Diane was Diane Calvert, the counselor, was on
the show with Us What Not Not forty five minutes

(01:05:27):
ago saying that she understood that they had agreed that
they would be cutting out of things like the transport budget.
No mention from Tory of cutting out of things like
the transport budget. The only thing that she's mentioned is
selling carbon credit holdings and ground leases, and she's made
it very clear that protecting social housing, water and key
climate initiatives. The transport stuff is a climate initiative. So

(01:05:51):
there's your problem. So if I was simme in tomorrow,
I'd be sitting there going yeah, But Diane says that
you're cutting transport, are cutting transport. Now, I'm not going
to cat transport. Well that doesn't sound like a plan,
does it. So Simon, I mean Sami as a smart cookie,
and I'm gonna be sucked in by this stuff. Good
luck to her. I can't see this happening anyway. Listen,
keep an eye on that, because it's always gonna be
a thing tomorrow. Our eyesight, now, if you'll look, if

(01:06:13):
you'll think, not a registered financial advisor, do not take
advice for me, but if you're thinking where should I
put my money, you might want to put your money
into eyes, contact lenses, glasses, that kind of thing. Because
we are going blind, right, We're all looking at at
our screens the whole time. Kids have like epic levels
of myopia at the moment. If you read about what's
going on kid's eyesight, because theren't spend enough time out

(01:06:34):
there looking at the horizon and the trees and stuff.
They're looking at the screens and the books. Books are
great screens crap. And also we're getting older, right, and
the older you get the worst your eyesight gets well.
Debora Lamby is going to talk us through the investments
into eye sights. She's from Milford Acid Management. She's with
us before half past six, News Dog zb.

Speaker 24 (01:06:51):
O.

Speaker 8 (01:06:52):
Hell should be tracked where the money is flowing with
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Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Even in coming up in the next hour Milford Aset Managements.
Deborah Lamby on the big business in eyesight Genative. Traine's
going to talk us through ACC's massive seven billion dollar deficit.
And we'll also talk to a military lawyer who reckons
it'll be the defense force, not the cops, who track
down the missing Marti Corper family if they are allowed to.
Right now seven past six. Now, the Aussies, as I
was telling you yesterday, are about to get rid of

(01:07:30):
some of those annoying fees that you get hit with
when you pay by card, and it looks like we
might follow suit. The Ossie government is planning to ban
the surch charges for purchases made by debit card. Commerce
and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bailey is with me right now. Hey, Andrew,
how are you going? I'm very well, thank you So
are you planning to ban debit card surch charges.

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Yes, we were working on I've been working with the
Commerce Commission for several months. In fact, we're a biggerhead
of Australians. We've just finished the Commerce Commission's just finished
consultation process and it's had a lot of submissions and
we expect to now make an announcement the next few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
How what about the credit card surcharges?

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
Well, the two there's two things that the Commerce commissioned
in consult on. There's two parts that one is the
interbank fee charges and then the overall surcharge aspects that
when you go in and pay for your coffee, you're
incurring that total cost. So the focus has been on
both interbank charges and surcharge the total fee because we

(01:08:37):
want to make sure that you're not the worst thing
at the moment when you're go into a shop buy coffee,
you don't know what is the surcharge. So we want
to deal with both debit cards and credit cards.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Okay, so would you ban the seur charge with credit
cards as well?

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
No, it's not a question of banning the total surcharge.
There is a legitimate fee to some extent, it's just
a question what is an appropriate feed at the moment? Yeah, yeah,
at the moment, you know, you can be paying up
to two and a half percent, and it's difficult for
the retailer as well. In many cases, the retailer doesn't
know what what is an appropriate fever has made up

(01:09:13):
of a whole lot of components. But what we want
to make sure is that we have visibility around the
interbank charge, which is the key of account for about
sixty percent of the total costs that people pay, and
also making sure we've got to cap around the total
search charge that people.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Where do you reckon that captured sit?

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
Well, we'll wait and see what what the Commics Commission
went out with. They talked about an interact charge of
one point two percent and zero point seven percent for
a total but that look, let's wait until the commiss
Comission primish its report.

Speaker 24 (01:09:50):
It's done.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
It's going through that process at the moment. But we
are very committed to make sure KIV is not paid
more at the till when they go to buy something
they ought to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
So if we if we are talking about everything here right,
we're talking about going down and get your sushi paying
for your flights or your yeah I don't know, yeah, yeah,
travel agency fees. But also if you go onto their
New Zealand websites, what you're paying there that little search
charge on the credit card, that would be capped as well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Yeah, because what happened. If there's clarity around it, then
then the retailer or energine whatever can knock at what
their situation isn't adjusted accordingly. So it's we will cap
like the end bank charge, that'll be something that Commics
commissill be quite clear about. But the total surcharge, there'll

(01:10:38):
be a clarity around that, and then the retail or
whoever will be in a position to be clear about
what they should be.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
What's your time for, Andrew? When are you going to
do this?

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
Matter of next few weeks. Actually we were hoping about
to make an announcement before then, but the number of
submissions that the Comments Commissioner received they want to take
a bit more time to process.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
I'm looking forward to it very very much. Andrew thinks
you very much, really appreciate it is Andrew Bailey, Commerce
and Consumer Affairs Minister. Oh those sur charges, they don't
they grind your gears? I'll tell you got two of
my favorite ones. The in New Zealand sur charge, Oh
angry every time, briefly angry. I've got used to it.
It's like a tiny little flare up. I I'm angry,
and then you know, what, what can you do? You

(01:11:18):
resigned to it. The other one, the old parking one.
You know when they're like it's going to cost you
fifty cents to park your and fifty cents to use
your credit cut or and then I'm over it again.
But anyway, he's going to fix it for us. So
that's that's fantastic. Now on the ocr not everyone, and
I feel like I need to mention this because of
the respect that I have for the SPAN. Not everyone
is convinced that we need to have a seventy seventy

(01:11:41):
five basis point cut next month. Tony Alexander reckons it's
too much. He reckons it's got to be fifty basis
points because he says, and this is a fair argument,
it's the probably the strongest argument. Not totally convinced, but
it's the strongest argument. Local inflation is still too high.
He says, four point nine percent in this past year.
This is too high. And an easy challenge to those
who might say the economy is so munted local inflation

(01:12:03):
has died. It has not. It remains too strong. So
barring some fresh horrible news for the world or local economy,
we can still reasonably expect another fifty basis point cut
in the OCR in November, taking it to four point
two five percent. Now, he does make a strong argument
in his article, which you could go and read if
you want to on the Herald at the moment, but
still that inflation at four point nine is still a

(01:12:25):
lot lower than was expected. It was expected around five
point four or something like that, if my memory serves
me correctly, And it's mostly made up of things like
rates and rents and insurance. Right, It's not like your
supermarket or anything like that. It's these big one offs
or things that are already coming back or settling, like rent.
So I feel like it's not as big a problem
as potentially he is saying it is. But then again,

(01:12:47):
host the Economist him six thirteen, crunching.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
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(01:14:04):
with us, now, hey, do you know, hey, Jay, how
has ACC gone from a nearly billion dollar surplus last
year to a seven billion dollar deficit this year? What happened?

Speaker 25 (01:14:13):
Good question. Now, a number of things contributed towards this.
One of the things that ACC pointed out was the
fact that it's taking people who get injured longer to
get rehabilitated, to get their injury sorted and to get
back to back to work. Now, I thought, well, well
that's interesting. You know what, what's what's changed? And one

(01:14:36):
of the things that pointed to was the problems in
the health sector, the staff shortages. It means it's taking
people longer to be seen by a health professional, and
then it's also the gap between consultations with a health
professional is also increasing. So all of that means we
are staying injured unproductive for longer and that's weighing on
ACC's books. Another thing that it pointed to was a

(01:15:01):
particular court case that wrapped up that increased the number
of people entitled to ACC cover. Now this is quite
a curly court ruling, but it relates to people who
were sexually assaulted as children, and it relates to their
ability to get ACC cover for the mental injury that

(01:15:21):
they suffer as an adult due to that childhood use
that they suffered.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Is it the mental injury? Because first of all, obviously
the people that are being covered here are new, but
the injury, the mental injury, is that new as well.

Speaker 25 (01:15:36):
It's basically the coverage. So there's a complicated thing around
when ACC recognizes when you receive the injury. There's a
technical thing that's changing around the recognition of that. But
this is actually really really significant. So this particular court
ruling means that ACC will pay an extra about three
point five billion dollars to people who are currently injured

(01:16:00):
to pass trauma past injuries into the future. So you
know that that is a really significant thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Now.

Speaker 25 (01:16:08):
I sat down today here with the CEO and the
DPCO at ACC for about a half an hour and
nothing one of this out. And the thing is is
that there are laws which ACC operates under. But then,
like everything, things got to court and that tests the law,
and this particular ruling really seriously expands the scope of

(01:16:28):
who could be eligible for ACC cover. Now it's so
this particular thing around the sexual offending is so major
that ACC is actually still working through the details of
exactly how it's going to deal with it and pay
out billions of dollars more to a whole bunch of
people who weren't previously eligible.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
So what can they do about it? I mean, I've
obviously got if these people are now eligible, they're going
to have to cover the people. What can they do
to actually try to get the books back into the black?

Speaker 25 (01:16:54):
Well, this is where it gets rather nai for the government.
ACC has been proposing significant levy hikes, so that's you know,
levees that that we all need to pay to keep
the system going. You know, that's to pay for all
the things we've just covered, also just general inflation. The government,
ACC's made recommendations, it's consulted on those levy hikes. The

(01:17:15):
difficult thing here for the government is that, you know,
they're a government of low taxes, so it might be
a hard sale for the government to come to all
of us and say, hey, we're putting the ACC levees up.
But the other tricky thing for the government is that
it's also committed to reducing its deficit So last week
we learned that the government's books are about twelve billion

(01:17:37):
dollars in deficit. Now ACC's deficit has contributed four billion
dollars to that deficit. So the worst ACC does, the
worse the government's books, does you know, in the government's
saying we're going to get the books back in surplus.
A way to solve that is to increase these levees.
But the government has also that's also going to be
hard sale. Yeah, population to the populace. So to me,

(01:17:59):
this really comes love actually down to a number of things.
But you know, these issues in the health sector that
we're struggling with that are affecting sick people, injured people
are now actually affecting the government's books as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah, fascinating. Heyjina, thanks for talking us to really appreciate it.
This genated trainy the heroes Wellington Business Editor and listen,
we're going to deal with this medic Corps situation again
because there are now suggestions that actually we could find
this family if we wanted to, but we would have
to send the essays in the military guys, you know,
the the ballers, the thugs, you know, like the real guys,

(01:18:31):
the real heroes. You need to send them in because
then the your normal cop is just going to make
too much noise crunching around in the bush. So you
need to send the stealth warriors in. But the problem
with that is I think you can't just be sending
in the military on citizens. You probably need Prime Minister
or sign off or something like that. Anyway, we're going
to talk to one of the military lawyers who will
explain the whole kerfuffle to us when he's with us.
Just after half bus six six twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
One, everything from SMEs sort of big corporates The Business
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Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Heather read the ESAs you could not just use the
sas to locate and observe until such time as it
would be easy to help police make their rest. Maybe
you could potentially do that and we'll talk to the
lawyer about this stuff. Six twenty four. Now, the issue
of aging populations is becoming more and more of a
focus for investors because get this, I mean this is
massive right Globally, the number of people aged over sixty
is going to double, and those over eighty is going

(01:19:25):
to triple just in the next twenty six years, and
of course the implications for our eyesight is massive. Debora
Lamby from Milford Asset Management is with us now, Hey, Deborah.

Speaker 12 (01:19:34):
Evening, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
I'm well? Thank you? Now, vision care is becoming more
critical right, not just for individuals but investors as well.
What's going on here?

Speaker 24 (01:19:42):
So right now, globally around one and three people are
myopical short sighted, but by twenty fifty that number will
jump to nearly one and two, so every second person
will be either myopic or short sighted. And there's a
couple of factors behind this. So firstly, aging populations, which
you've already mentioned. As we get older, our eyes naturally
change and people are more likely to need corrective lenses,

(01:20:03):
whether that's glasses or contact lenses. And then secondly, increasing
screen time. So have you ever wondered how much our
daily screen habits affected our eyesight. We are now nearly
a decade on from the launch of the iPhone four,
which is widely thought to have mean the mass driver
of mass smartphone adoption, with the whole world now moving
towards increased screen time, and so it's become pretty clear

(01:20:26):
that prolonged screen time is not good for your vision
over the long term.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
So if you're looking at it from an investment perspective,
in this particular part of the market, who are the
main players?

Speaker 24 (01:20:35):
Yeah, So the global contact lens market, it's around sixteen
billion dollars in size, and there's three big players that
control ninety percent of that market. So there's a Swiss
company called Alcon, along with US companies Johnson and Johnson,
which you probably know from products like band aids, Johnson
baby products, and Listerines. And then there's author US company
called Cooper Vision. And historically the market has grown around

(01:20:57):
five percent a year, but over the past few years
those factors that we've talked about, growth has been accelerating
to just under ten percent a year.

Speaker 13 (01:21:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I've been hearing that what's going on is that there
are people who previously might have used like monthly contact lenses,
now using daily contact lenses. I imagine that's having an
impact on the market, is it.

Speaker 24 (01:21:16):
That's a great point. We are witnessing a major shift
there as well. So people are moving from as you've said,
monthly or bi weekly lenses, which lasts for two to
four weeks to daily disposable lenses which are worn for
just once a day, and daily lenses they offer they're
more convenient and comfortable, lower risk of infections, and also
thanks to manufacturing advancements, they're also becoming more affordable. So

(01:21:36):
this shifts led to a dramatic increase and the volume
of lenses being used worldwide. So if you're using monthly lenses,
you need twenty four lenses a year, so one per
I per month. But with the daily lenses, you need
around seven hundred lenses per year, so that's nearly thirty
times more.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yeah, I mean that's massive. That's a huge jump in demand, right,
So can companies actually keep up with this increase?

Speaker 12 (01:21:58):
So in short, not yet.

Speaker 24 (01:22:00):
One for these products has been stronger than what the
companies can actually produce, and all of the main players
have been investing a lot over the past few years
to build out capacity, but they are still selling lenses
faster than they can make them, so it takes time
for new factory lines to come online and this dynamic
is expected to continue for a number of years. And
one of the benefits for companies is that operating in

(01:22:20):
a simply constrained environment has allowed them to maintain strong
prices for their lenses, which has been good for industry growth.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
So how have the shares of these companies performed then.

Speaker 24 (01:22:29):
Yeah, these companies have been pretty solid performers, especially given
they operate in a more defensive part of the market.
So so far just this year, our come shares are
up around twenty five percent, Cooper shares are up around
fifteen percent, shares in Johnson and Johnson A up around
seven percent. But that's more diversified, with vision care only
making up around five percent of their total revenue. So
given the aging populations, increasing screen time, and the shift

(01:22:51):
to daily contact lenses, the contact lens market is really
in a period of transformation, and it's the space that
invests are becoming interestingly increasingly interested.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
In fascinating stuff. Debrah, thanks for chatting us through. There's
Debra Lambia of Milford Asset Management. Yeah, the old eyes.
You know what what you could also do though, if
you don't want to stack the money in the old
contact lenses this, go get some corrective, corrective laser stuff,
do you know what I mean? That's what Polky was doing,
Philip Polkinghorn, he was doing the old lay wasn't he
doing the old laser stuff, doing the eye stuff. Anyway,

(01:23:21):
Betty regrets screening out of that business because judging by
these numbers, you make an absolute killing there headlines next hanging.

Speaker 8 (01:23:29):
Up the past.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Be wed.

Speaker 12 (01:23:56):
Ray.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
It's going to be with us in ten minutes time.
So it looks like the foreign investors are actually already
warming to putting their money in New Zealand. And it's
based simply on the change of government, nothing more than that.
That's and obviously what the change of government means in
terms of regulation and legislation. Simpson gans Aggresson's done a
survey of ninety international investors from Asia, Pacific, North America

(01:24:18):
and Europe. Now it is slightly skewed in our favor
because these guys are already investing here the ninety or
they have advised on a deal an investment deal here beforehand,
right so they've very good bit of a taste of
New Zealand. And the question they will ask is whether
they'd be keen to do more. Almost sixty percent said
the change in government last year had increased their intention

(01:24:41):
to invest in New Zealand. Ninety eight percent of them
we're considering doing so in the next five years. Not
planning anything really is very much smaller number planning anything
in the next year, but looks like after a year
through to five years, I'm more keen. Not loving the
red tape in the country. So a couple of the
few things I've mentioned. They don't love the red tape,

(01:25:02):
which is good then that the government is dealing with
the OIO, the Overseas Investment Office, and also the oil
and gas stuff and all that kind of stuff. But
they also think that the corporate tax rate is too high.
It's it's a twenty eight percent, it's been there for
the last fourteen years and most the average top corporate
rate amongst the EU twenty seven countries is somewhere between
twenty one and twenty four percent. Ozzie's still thirty but

(01:25:23):
we're still little on the high side. Actually globally right
now twenty two away from.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Seven together do for clan Now it's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
Being suggested that the right team to track down the
missing Mater corpor Dad and his kids are not the
police but actually the sas. The family has been missing
since about twenty twenty one and despite a few cracks
out of the cops haven't been able to track them
down yet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Grant Fletcher is a barrister and military lawyer.

Speaker 7 (01:25:44):
High Grant good an evening, I think, how are you
very well?

Speaker 23 (01:25:48):
Thank you?

Speaker 12 (01:25:48):
Grant.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Listen, why can't the nztesas just be sent in right?
If these guys can track the family down, why haven't
we done it?

Speaker 7 (01:25:55):
It's a good question, and the reality is that in
a constitutional democracy like New Zealand, like the United States,
like the United Kingdom, the military is designed to be
dealing with external situations, where it's the police and conventional
law enforcement that deals with internal situations. And if we
think about a Banana Republic, say you've got the vision

(01:26:17):
of soldiers patrolling in the streets, an armored personnel carriers
on every corner. That's why in most democracies the use
of the conventional military internally is very very tightly constrained.
It's okay for the New Zealand Army, for example, to
assist with civil defense, disaster relief, and the defense that

(01:26:37):
allows that it's called a public service. It's when they
start to get into actual law enforcement that it starts
to get constitutionally quite murky. And under New Zealand's framework,
it's very very tightly constrained, right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
And so what you need prime ministerial sign off?

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
Do you pretty much?

Speaker 14 (01:26:55):
So?

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
For effectively disaster relief, no, it doesn't need Prime minister
prime ministerial sign off because that's a civil service. But
if it is for the military to have the power
of the police, which would include the ability to detain someone,
then that needs prime ministerial approval. Now, obviously there's a
slightly murky area between what is a public service and

(01:27:18):
what is a law enforcement role. And I think a
thing that's also going to affect the decision makers in
relation to this is that this is really stepping into
law enforcement role, which is not the job of the military.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Do you reckon that the cops can't track this family down?

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
I don't know, to be quite honest, what their capabilities
they've got to bring to bear r So I can't
really comment, but I could certainly say that the New
Zealand military would easily have this capability under their belt, because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
I would have thought the police would. I mean, they
have the Eagle helicopter available to them. The Eagle helicopter
has a heat sensor and surely you just have to
shoot that around the place and eventually you'd see four
warm bodies in the bush, wouldn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:04):
Again, I don't know. I mean, anyone who does any
hunting at all will will have it looked through. Thermal capabilities,
and the modern thermal equipment is pretty god but in
some situations it doesn't work thack bosh or if there's
a lot of heat signature in the background. I genuinely
don't know the level of capability that the police would have,
So I can't really speculate.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Now that we've got the media from around the world
who are interested in this, and I mean fascinatingly actually
led the Daily Mail apparently a couple of times over
the weekend in the UK, do you think it's going
to put pressure on authorities to step the efforts up
to catch this family.

Speaker 24 (01:28:41):
I hope not.

Speaker 7 (01:28:42):
And the reason I say that is that the decision
makers within the police and indeed within wider government shouldn't
be influenced by public opinion and media pressure. Was all
due respect to your profession. They need to be the
calmest heads in the room and work towards a peaceful
and a peaceful resolution.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Grut, and I agree with you because there may be
things that we do not even know. They're having to
consider it right that they may have it. They may
be having to weigh up all kinds of weird stuff
that we're not aware of.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
I think that would be right. And you know, I
hate to quite Donald Rumsfeld, but any person planning any
sort of activity needs to bear in mind three things.
There's no knowns. The blokes in the North Island, there's
known unknowns. We don't know where he is. But the
most dangerous thing that a decision maker has to deal
with in what should enter every single planning process that
they're doing, is unknown unknown. I mean, there may be

(01:29:36):
things out there that they literally do not know, and
they need to have contingency planning for that.

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
Grant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
It's really fascinating. Hey, thanks for talking us through it.
Really appreciated. That's Grant Fletcher, barrister and military lawyer, eighteen
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Whether that children not pegs or dere being home being
hunted down. Look, I agree with you, to be honest
with you, I'm very conflicted on this and maybe we'll
talk about it at some stage, just quickly. I think
I've been proven right in my suspicion yesterday that the
real reason that the health bosses of Waikatl Hospital asked
the foreign nurses to only speak in English is because
we don't like hearing other languages. I think that's what

(01:30:21):
was going on.

Speaker 23 (01:30:21):
The reason.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
The reason I say that is because it turns out
there's another example of this happening in Palmerston North Hospital,
where a general manager who himself sounds Indian, sent out
a WhatsApp voice message telling nurses not to speak in
their first language because a patient complained.

Speaker 26 (01:30:37):
The first complaint is from a patient where there were
two Indian nurses who were speaking in their own language
and therefore making the patient feel quite disrespected and excluded
from the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
So what so what just tell the patient pull their
bloody it in, do they want to have nurses or not? Anyway,
there you go, it's not about clinical concerns at least
that their complaints not about clinical suits. It's just because
somebody felt a bit left out because they couldn't understand
fourteen away from seven Give or with us Now, Gavin
Gray Are UK correspondent, Evening, Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Hi the hella.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Now, when I first heard that there was this idea
of maybe giving the people on the doll the fat jeb,
I thought, this is not for real. But this is
for real, isn't it?

Speaker 19 (01:31:23):
Yes, very much so. And it's the second a thing
that the current labor government had done all about supposedly
getting people back to work. So in this particular instance,
they're saying obesity is costing the National Health Service in
the UK twenty four billion New Zealand dollars a year,
and it's getting worse. And that is something that is

(01:31:45):
obviously terrifying because diabetes is expensive to try and cure
and stop, and the situation seems to be getting worse
very rapidly. But this idea that actually obesity is leading
to many many people not being able to work who
want to work, is something that's relatively new. There have

(01:32:05):
been no studies suggesting, incidentally, that this happens, and Yet
the company Eli Lilly, the one of the world's largest
pharmaceutical companies, if not the biggest, is investing in the
UK that was announced on Monday, and now we learn
that the same company will be responsible and tied up
in a deal along with another company producing a zepic,

(01:32:28):
a well known loss weight loss drug, in combining with
the UK government to try and give these weight loss
jobs to those who are jobless, saying it will benefit
the economy because it will reduce the number of sick
days caused by obesity. Now two questions here that the
first is how much is this tie up costing. We're
not being told that, only that it came off the

(01:32:50):
back of this investment on Monday. But secondly, there are
no figures to suggest that this will get people back
to work. Just as incidentally, there are no figures when
the government announced it was going to try and massively
reduce the waiting lists on the National Health Service.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
That that would increase work output.

Speaker 19 (01:33:08):
Either the government is saying yes, that's going to massively
help and make us more productive as a society. I
strongly have this suspicion they're actually the percentage of people
who will go back to work after this fat jab
as it's called, and the number of people who will
go back to work once they've had their operation on
a waiting list is much smaller than the government is predicting.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Might well be the case, just one of those things
that sounds nice to the base, doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:33:34):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
What about the smartphones? Do you reckon you guys will
actually get there and bear them from schools?

Speaker 19 (01:33:39):
Yes, they are banned in a lot of schools already
after guidance from the government, but now particular MP is
really spearheading a campaign to make it law. Now it
would only be in England because schools in Scotland, Wales
and Northern Ireland have their own legislation and owned governance
by the local government there. But they really want to
make this law and MPs could really debate these new

(01:34:02):
proposals early in the new year. And these sort of
private members bills where an individual MP puts something forward,
do rarely make it into law without government backing. But
it looks like the government is potentially going to give
it back into this because where this schools have taken
the phones off pupils at the start of the day

(01:34:23):
and given them back to them at the end of
the day. They are saying they are noticing a massively
increased attention span for those children. Originally many very reluctant,
but it's looking like a pretty good job. So they
want a mobile free zone at school's age. Online companies
can receive data consent from children without permission should be

(01:34:44):
raised and another of a number of other measures to
strengthen the legislation and enforcement codes for those who have
those apps and services.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Yeah, I hope you guys do it, because it is
one of the best things you could possibly do for children. Now,
what's going on here with the bottles of wine?

Speaker 19 (01:35:02):
Yes, story out that somebody and when you consider it,
it's so simple. Somebody has been buying very cheap bottles
of wine and has printed off labels that come from
very expensive wines and slap them on the cheap bottles
of wine.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
See how easy it is.

Speaker 19 (01:35:18):
And a gang of six people, including a Russian national
believed to be the suspected ringleader, have been arrested across
three cities in France and Italy. Now, some of the
single bottles of wine were sold off as quality bottles
worth up to twenty eight thousand. New Zealand dollars, so
we're talking some serious, serious money being made. It was

(01:35:39):
said that they'd earned at least four million New Zealand
dollars from the fraud, and a forty year old Russian
national they're saying is the suspected ringleader. They say they're
going to charge them that a large amount of bottles
had gone through this particular route. And of course often
people buy a very expensive bottle and then don't open
it for a number of years, by which time very

(01:36:01):
difficult to prove where you got it from.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
He don't give anyone any ideas. Gavin, thank you so much, mate,
look after yourself. Talk to you in a couple of days.
That's Gavin Gray are UK correspondent nine away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Read the English speaking I've had this issue myself. I
was spoken to an English by the nurses and they
then spoke to each other in another language straight after
in front of me, and I didn't know if they
were discussing my treatment or something else, so I asked
if they were discussing my treatment and I couldn't check
they had it correct. Well, you asked them, what's the problem.
What did they tell you? I must have said, yeah, nah, yeah,
well nah answer to the question. Look, I think this

(01:36:44):
is just one of these things. I really struggle, I
really struggle to understand the kind of weirdness about this,
just simply because I have lived in places where actually
people speak lots of languages in front of me, and
I have no bloody idea and it's absolutely fine. Well,
listen on another subject altogether. Do you remember Jennifer Gray
from Dirty Dancing as in baby, as in like nobody

(01:37:05):
puts baby in the corner, Jennifer Gray. I don't know
if you know this, but I mean you might obviously
would know that Jennifer Gray ain't been nowhere since then, right.
She's kind of done a few odd bits and bobs,
but really has like she was supposed to be massive
after Dirty Dancing, and she just never went anywhere. And
the reason she never went anywhere was because she had
a funny nose and her mum told her to go

(01:37:25):
and get nose job, and she got the nose job.
But then what happened because this was quite big. But
then what happened, obviously was that it was her thing,
it was her defining feature, and so all of a
sudden she just looked like every other person and it
completely ruined her career. Jennifer Gray, I'm happy to tell you,
is back. She has got a role in a movie

(01:37:46):
called A Real Plane, A Real Pain. Sorry. It's a
movie by Jesse Eisenberg, and he and Karen Colkin are
cousins and they go on a part of a Holocaust
tour group, and she plays Marcia, who's part of the
tour group. She's just a player, but this is basically
what the movie sounds like.

Speaker 18 (01:38:02):
Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Boner is not available.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Hey, Benji, I just got to the airport. I really
hope you left the red end.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
God you made it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:12):
So it's up because I got some good chant from
whom land. Sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
You're not like taking weed into Poland, are you, Benji?

Speaker 10 (01:38:18):
They don't give a shit about that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:38:19):
M do give a shit.

Speaker 23 (01:38:20):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Now. The movie has been met with critical acclaim apparently
it's outstanding, and she has been met with critical a
play a claim apparently she's outstanding, and apparently she's so
outstanding that she's been considered a distinct possibility for a
Best Supporting Actress nomination. So the moral of the story
is twofold. Number one, if your mom says get a

(01:38:43):
nose job, don't listen to her. Don't listen to your
mum's criticism, especially if you're a lady. Don't listen when
she says, oh, you funny little but don't listen. Don't
listen to any of that stuff. It's what makes you.
You don't get the nose job. But also number two,
if you're good at your job, you will make a comeback.
So good for Jennifer Gray. Nobody puts baby in the corner. Ants.

Speaker 27 (01:39:04):
We're going to go with the Blue extended theme song
to play us out tonight because we have big Bluey
News to announce the hugely successful stage show Bluey's Big.
You know what Blue is, right, everybody, Blue the really
famous TV show that all your parent friends, all your
kids are raving about. But Blue, it's a play. It's
a stage show. Blue and his family, her family and

(01:39:24):
friends will be really oh my gosh, you obviously have
no child.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
I don't Bluey at the Puppets and Blue is going
to be there, and Bingo is going to be there,
and Mum's going to be there, and Dad's going to
be there, and they're going to tour the country from
April and they're going to be all over Duned and
Christi's Wellington, Hamilton and Auckland And tickets go on sale
in one week's time. ANTS at Livenation, dot co, dot
and zed and I will be getting tickets.

Speaker 27 (01:39:45):
ANTS very good, good save here the thank you stating
saving me for myself this nce listen.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
You know you've got a bust.

Speaker 27 (01:39:51):
I have heard that it is very well written.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
You've got a bit of spare time, right because you
don't have children? Well ok you yes, I do you
need to watch this? This is such a good show,
very good all right, as unrealistic because no two parents
are that normal and well adjusted at all times. But
it is such a hurt. So thank you answer for
reminding us to get our blue Ee tickets. Don't ever

(01:40:15):
do children stuff again? ANTS got found out. Yeah, I
was gonna say speak time anyway. Enjoy the music. Kids
are going to go nuts now wanting to watch a
day See you tomorrow. And news stig zitb.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
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