Full Show Podcast: 16 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find the fag and
give the analysis.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile News Dogs'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
Coming up today, Ruth Richardson on Jim Bolger Gloria They'll
leave a Virginia Courage on the treatment of babies that
she witnessed. And Sean Plunkett on his fight with the BSA.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
There is a common word I've heard so many people
repeating today when remembering Jim Bolger, and that is decent.
He was decent. He was a decent Kiwi. He was
a decent man, fair minded, intelligent, pragmatic, could talk and boy,
if you ever had the pleasure of meeting him, you'll
know that man could talk. Last time I saw him
was at a dinner early last year. I sat next

(00:50):
to him and I spent pretty much the entire dinner
listening to a dissertation on the benefits of fair pay agreements,
which I don't know about you, but not the best
way to spend a fry. And yet you know this
is what we talked about, because Jim had been the
chair you'll remember, of Grant and Jacinda's Fair Pay Agreements
Working Group, and that brings me to the contradiction of

(01:10):
Jim Bolger. That working group was one of the examples
of Jim Bolger changing his mind in recent years, and
there was a fair bit of that. His government in
the nineteen nineties passed the Employment Contracts Act, but Jacinda
and Grant hired him for the Fair Payments a Fair
Pay Agreements Working Group to essentially unwind that Employment Contracts Act,
which he himself had become publicly critical of. He also

(01:31):
became critical of the neoliberal policies of his government. He
said they absolutely failed. Some people became very wealthy, others
became very poor. He was critical of Ruth Richardson's welfare cuts.
And I've wondered about this what happened to him in
recent years. I've wandered about that affair. Bit I wondered,
did Jim Bolger criticize his own government because he had
the courage to admit that they might have made mistakes

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and he had the courage to publicly change his mind,
Or did Jim Bolger criticize his own government because he
didn't like the way that history remembered his government. I
don't know that he should have worried about that, because
I think history has actually been kind to him. His
legacy is the treaty settlements which he and his colleagues
got underway, and that is despite opposition. And frankly, I

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can think of worse things than being remembered for being decent.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Together do for see Ellen.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
N nineteen text number standard textpece of players. I say,
Ruth Richardson's with us half the five on that of course,
Barry Soper, who smoked a fair number of cigarettes and
drank a lot of whiskey with him, will be with
us at about quarter to five now. Health Minister Simeon
Brown this morning accused senior doctors of crossing an ethical
line by striking pretty tough talk. It was met with
booze and jeers, because, of course, he delivered it at

(02:42):
the Doctors' Union's annual conference.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
When a union chooses strike action that forces thousands of
operations and appointments to be canceled, in my view, it
crosses an ethical line. Doctors take on a professional duty.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Sarah Dalton is the executive director of the Association of
Salaried Medical Specialists. Hi Sarah, Hi hever, how's it going
and good? Thank you? So why are the booing and jeering?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Do you think?

Speaker 7 (03:07):
I think our members were genuinely shocked at the way
the minister chose to characterize his strike action, and I
guess his refusal to contemplate all of the many things
in the health system are getting away of them being
able to see and treat patients other than a for
our strike next week.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Okay, So is it a case of doctors simply being frustrated.
I mean it sounds like doctors are frustrated they can't
get more money. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Oh, I think it's a reasonable thing for any working
person to want the at terms and conditions to keep
pace with cost of left living, you know, and also
for doctors. As we know, we're really struggling to attract
and retain our senior medical indental workforce. We rely on
on overseas workforce. They can go to Australia. As one
of our guests at conference said today, thank you for

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training our future medical workforce. They can earn heaps more
over there. So we just really need to attend to
being realistic about holding on to the doctors.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
We really need, Sarah.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
I mean, I'm sorry to say this, but isn't he
right that an ethical line has been crossed?

Speaker 7 (04:09):
I don't believe. So they're working people with rights to
protest if, for example, the employer refuses to bargain with them.
Our last who offers to go to mediation with help
New Zealand to progress this have been refused.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
But you were offering just this month, you guys, these
doctors were offered the opportunity to go to final arbitration.
It would have settled it, it would have been fair,
and they chose instead to strike.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Well, we aren't confident that there's no formal arbitration process
in place in New Zealand. That is not the legislative
framework that we're under. It's some of the Employment Relations Authority,
and that's about facilitated bargaining or in the case of
Health New Zealand, they are making a pitch for fixing.
We don't believe they'll make that test. We think it
is it is fair, lawful right to ratify a settlement

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that is negotiated between the union and the employer.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
But you can't. That's the point, right, So you guys
are unable to reach a settlement with each other. I'm
not saying it's your fault or their fault. It simply
you are unable to reach a point together. Final arbitration
would have sorted that. So you guys chose not to
go to it.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
You chose to strike, We chose to go back to
the table. I mean arbitration doesn't as the minister described,
it doesn't exist as a framework in the country. So
he was kind of making a bit of a pitch.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Was the loads of people go to final arbitration.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
I don't believe they do.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Final arbitration.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
That is a specific arrangement for the police, and that
is because in part they are not allowed to take
strike action, unlike most of the group.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
So the framework does exist, Sarah, So it would simply
be that police. Yeah, but what's the problem. You simply
transfer it to s There's nothing special about doctors as
opposed to police. They could simply arbitrate in the same way.

Speaker 7 (05:58):
I guess that's one lens that you can bring to it.
But our executive and our members believe that this can
be settled. We don't think it is that hard to settle.
But it would require Healthy Zealand to lift the office
somewhat from where it sits at the moment.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
You guys have put yourself in the position where what
Simeon Brown has said actually lands with people because we
have seen you guys reject the offer to take it
to final arbitration and settle the thing once and for all,
and instead choose to strike. So when he says you
guys have crossed an ethical line, he may actually find
this fertile ground. Don't you think.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
It's not the way we see it, And I don't
think you're right about the points you're making about arbitration.
But as I've said, we are happy to continue the conversation.
We believe that there are ways forward, and we were
happy to accept the mediation services offer to support our bargaining.
It's not us who are refusing to do that, it
is the employer. We would really like Healthy Zealand to

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come back to the table. We had Dale Bramley, who's
the chief executive, talk with our executive Justice. He's really
keen to keep talking with us and working with us.
I believe the door should be open and I'm also
consumed based on what the minister said to a conference
today that he isn't being accurately briefed by the officials
who are leading negotia Vian negotiations.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Sarah, listen, thank you very much, appreciate it, Go back
and enjoy the conference. That's Sarah Dulton, the executive director
of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. Look, we've got
a little bit more trouble with the handing over of
hostage bodies over in Gaza. Israel's now saying that one
of the four bodies that they got earlier this week
is not the body of a hostage, so they've only
got three that Hamas is now handed over another two reportedly,

(07:40):
but Huma says that's all they can do. And remember
it was like there were twenty eight in total, so
if Israel's got five, five to six, we're still short
twenty something. Kamas is they can't retrieve the others because
they need time and they need specialized equipment to be
able to recover them. They're all under the ruins of Gaza.
Trouble for them is that Trump is apparently Trump's ratcheting

(08:03):
up the tough talk. He says, if they don't start
up holding their agreement, he's going to threaten he's going
to send the Israelis back in quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's the Heather Dupiss Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, as I thought, texts are definitely not in favor
of the doctor's Heather. I'm sorry, but the doctors are
being precious and disrespectful. Sarah was being disingenuous. Simeon Brown
was on point with his comments. It's from Mark eighteen
past four Sport with.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Tab bed Live with in play R eighteen there.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Responsibly Elliott Smith sports talk hosters of me. Hey, Elliott, So,
Billy Slater doesn't love what rugby leagu's doing.

Speaker 8 (08:39):
Yes, it's not necessary. I think the words were a
little bit extreme. We talked yesterday obviously about the ten
year band that Peter Landy's in, the ARL or the
NRL are pushing forward, and Billy Slater doesn't think it's necessary,
believes that they should back the game that they've got,
believes it's at the best it's ever been in terms
of entertainment factors that of origin this year the NRAL
finals and not really worry about what are three sixty

(09:01):
is doing. I kind of agree with you.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
He's got a point. I think R three sixty is
at best a threat to world rugby, not rugby league.

Speaker 8 (09:09):
No, but it's interesting that all the players from the
NRL that have been linked with these huge salaries are
by and large league players more so than union players.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Why do you think that is right? Because the I
I was under the the theory is that it's because
they can't get any world run any rugby union players.
But I thought it was simply because Saudi rugby can
see where the where the dynamic players are and it's
rugby league.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
Quite possibly, But is signing pain Haass going to start
kickstart R three sixty and get it on the map worldwide.
I'd argue that that rugby union players are more well
known worldwide than a lot of those league players. Yeah
so what so what's the what's in it for them?
Are they going to be able to sell more seconds
as a result of these league players going over?

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah? So they haven't got the star powers you're arguing,
but boy, they've got the leagues they do. I don't
mean in a sexy.

Speaker 8 (09:57):
Ways of running fast and all that, but to me
it's I think if you're the NRAL, you just kind
of don't worry about it, do you? It's not going
to blight the game.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
I don't think there's a risk that any one of
any relevance is going to go.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Are they worried that?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are you sure?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Because Arties this is the.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Back end of his career. Yeah, I'm talking players in
their prime, like a pain Hearts, like a Reese Walsh.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
They're not going to go.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
I would be stunned if they go. Okay, look, look
a huge amount of money. They're being off a huge
amounts of money. But for what what are they playing?
There's no intel the R three second you doesn't even
have a website.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Okay. The hole in your argument is if it is
just players at the tail end of their career, then
the NRL wouldn't be doing this, would they were the team?

Speaker 8 (10:43):
That's right, That's what I mean. I'm not sure why
they're so worried.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Because are they? Are they hearing that it's other players?

Speaker 8 (10:47):
Maybe they are because we haven't because I think they
maybe players will break the contract like Sonny Bill did
back in the y.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
If you're listening to what's being whispered, right, it's hundreds
of players who have these offers in front of them. Yes,
so when we're talking about the anti uses and the
so and so, we're like, we know about three right, Well,
maybe at best we know about a dozen. It's not
touching the sides of who's been offered. So maybe the
threat is greater than we think.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
And maybe if look, if they get a big fish,
then a few more fish start following.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Now, listen, I can't believe the comm Games is going
to India's that's how.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
We started to you.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
No, not at all.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
We thought the comwayth Games are deady year ago.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
It's like sort of slightly happy about that as well.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
Glasgow comes on board and saves it for twenty twenty six. Yes,
under a reduced I think it's ten day program. They've
got rid of rugby seven's, they got rid of a
lot of the entertaining sports out of there, and I
met a bad twenty thirty lining up going to be
rubber Stam next month. Now this is good news, Heather
for New Zealand. But said their sights on twenty thirty four,
about three years ago, I think it was. And then

(11:44):
in the interim the Coomwath Games basically died. So for
New Zealand. The Coomwath Games are back alive again.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, when you say good news, good news, because it's
going to be bloody expensive.

Speaker 8 (11:53):
We'll host this thing, but no more good news at
the coomwav games are actually going to be still going
by that point, because what's the point in targeting twenty
four if they weren't going at all?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Well, I said, yeah, well absolutely, I mean I said,
I'm in two minds. I'm not convinced by the how long.

Speaker 8 (12:07):
To the Bowls? If they were here?

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Oh heart out, you can't look of anything better. I'm
just not convinced by the economic argument for hosting them.
But listen, the twenty thirty games. Are they the ones
that were supposed to be in Canada?

Speaker 9 (12:17):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (12:18):
Okay, so we found a host for them.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
Oh yeah, Ali back whoo. I'm not into this, Elliott,
Thank you, Elliott Smith. Sports Talk Coaster. We're back at
seven this evening, full twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand hand of power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
They'd be ah so the News Today regrab One obviously
as it's been put into liquidation. And this doesn't appear
to be good news for customers because it looks like
it's going to be the customers who losing out here
because vouchers are not necessarily going to be honored. Now,
I feel like I need to say this because I
feel like there may be individual merchants who make hop
this unfairly. So let's say, for example, this is where

(13:03):
I think that you know, if you've got, I don't know,
a butcher's voucher, you bought a butcher's voucher from Grab One,
you're gonna go to the butcher and say, can you
honor this? The trouble for the butcher is they might
not have got the money from Grab one that you paid,
So you paid Grab one for the voucher, but to
Grab one pay pay the butcher, in which case, why
should the butcher honor it? Because if the butcher then
honors it, then they're losing out anyway. We're gonna have

(13:24):
a chat about this later on after five o'clock with
Dion Tilson, who is I think actually in one of
these situations as to whether vouchers are on it or not.
Right now, it's full twenty five together Allen Erukappa Kingy.
It drags on and on and on. So Eru Kappa KINGI,
he of the shouted at various people at security doing

(13:49):
the security at Parliament, allegedly has released an Instagram video
defending himself. It's called Emotional Learnings.

Speaker 10 (13:55):
No one asked for even I would assume before this
all happened there if my name ever got dragged through
the media and lies we're.

Speaker 11 (14:03):
Told about me that, you know, I'd be like real
down bars.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
And you know, just just going through it.

Speaker 10 (14:10):
But honestly, at Tatuma there couldn't be further from the truth.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's like the opposite.

Speaker 10 (14:15):
I feel so at peace, I feel free, I feel liberated.
These last couple of nights I've had probably like the
best sleeps I've had in ages.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Oh my gosh, has struck you how self involved everybody
in this thing is. I'm not sure that anybody. I
don't want to know about Edu's sleeping. I want to
know why Edu had a crack at the parliamentary security guards. Allegedly.
If we could deal with some of these allegations rather
than you know, sleeping patterns, that would be andy anyway,
goes on to talk about the haters and therese haters out.

Speaker 10 (14:43):
There that are going to make stuff up about you,
to throw dirt on your name and bring down your mama.
But what I can say to you, fellas, is like,
if you're solid within yourself, if you're living by your
principles and your purpose and your truth as well.

Speaker 11 (14:58):
Nothing can rock you.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Or as Tait said, the hater's gonna hate hate, hate,
hate hate, So shake it off. That's basically what edws
video was about. Wasn't that. I don't want to shake
it off?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
You know?

Speaker 5 (15:10):
I want to know some more anyway about the allegations,
not the sleep Murry Olds is going to be with
us shortly here that wake up. The doctors are worth more.
Who saved Barrie's life, well qualified professionals. Listen, No one
is questioning, no one. I'm really I pay the doctors more.
I just think the doctors should have used the opportunity
to actually get final arbitration instead of striking. I think

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that undermines their argument. News is next.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
They'd be sorry that yard.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Like Barry Sofa is going to be with us. In
ten minutes time, we're going to have to talk about
glory of the look. I'll tell you what, bloody grim.
What's happened is police and ot Autongotimiki formerly known as SIFs,
have been secretly conducting a major investigation into Gloria Veil
because there have been reports that children there have been
disciplining their babies by basically suffocating them right so basically

(16:16):
closing the nose, covering the mouth if they cry in
a bit to kind of break their will and stop
them from crying. But it's a baby, for God's sake,
so the baby keeps on crying. So eventually, basically from
the sounds of things losers consciousness, they have after this
extensive police and ot investigation, they haven't charged anyone raises
a couple of questions there, but they have issued two

(16:37):
formal warnings to members of Gloria Veil. Now, Virginia Courage
is a lever of Gloriavale lever, but she reckons that
while she was there some years ago, she did actually
witness this. So she's going to be with us after
five to talk us through it. Murriolds are standing by
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
So the remains of two more hostages, as I said earlier,
have been returned to Israel ba by Hamas. That leaves
at least nineteen hostages maybe more whose remains haven't been returned,
and Hamas says it will need more time and specialized
equipment to recover them. Israeli Prime Minister BINYAMINETNYA, who says
Hamas need to disarm in order for the rest of
the peace process to move forward.

Speaker 12 (17:13):
First, Hamas has to give up a times. We agree
that that's part of the plan, and we want We
also agreed, Okay, let's get the first part done and
now let's give a chance to do the second part peacefully,
which is my hope.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Donald Trump says that India has promised to stop buying
Russian oil. He says he's had an assurance from Indian
Prime minister. Then they're in remote.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I want to see it stop.

Speaker 13 (17:34):
So I was not happy that India was buying oil,
and he assured me today that they will not be
buying oil from Russia.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's a big stop.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
And finally, what's a most restern California, Aya has been
pulled over by police for using a hand drawn number plate.
So the driver told the cops they lost the original
license plate, so they just drew themselves a new one.
Driver doesn't appear to have been fined. Cops have said
that if anyone loses their number plate, they should get
a replacement through official channels instead of breaking out the art.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Supplies international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Murray Old's Ossie corresponds with us.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Now heymus hi there here, they're going to afternoon.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Okay, So what's going on with employment?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Well it's not a pretty picture.

Speaker 14 (18:21):
Jobless rate at the highest level now in four years,
jumped up to four and a half percent in September,
a surprising result.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
All the economists who were asked about.

Speaker 14 (18:31):
Their expectations, they said, well, it's going to stay around
four point three percent, which is what it was in August.
So more than one thousand people a day lost their
jobs in September. A modest job growth of fifteen thousand
are spurred on by a rise of course, in the
participation rate, which measures the number of people out there
in the across the country actively looking for work. So

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the number ticked up four and a half percent. This
of course puts pressure on the Reserve Bank to think
about cutting interest rates. The cash rate currently have a
three point six percent and the next Reserve Bank meeting
that's due on Melbourne Cup Day on Tuesday, the fourth
of November.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now, okay, so this court case about the synagogues and
the pro Palestine activists explain this.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (19:18):
Back in February this year, there was a huge spike
in anti Semitic incidents across Sydney. It's almost all confined
to Sydney. So you had spray painting on synagogue walls,
you know, hate the Jews, pro Palestine, from the rivet
to the sea, all that sort of standard stuff that
is obscene.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
It's just dreadful.

Speaker 14 (19:40):
So the state government brought in laws that were cloaked
in this kind of anti hate speech was the phrase
that the government was using at the time. It was
one of several changes designed to crack down on hate speech.
But lawyers for the Palestine Action Group challenge the validity
of these laws. They said it actually pushed police powers

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beyond legitimate bounds. Police were empowered to order protests to
move on if they were near a place of worship,
being a synagogue, be the mosque, be at a church,
even if there was no basis to believe worshipers were
obstructed or frightened or fearful or you know, anything along
those lives. It was a step too far for the
government well and the police, and the Supreme Court today

(20:23):
has ruled yes, in fact, it was an overreach. It's
a step too far in terms of allowing protests against
governments or political matters. It's been embarrassing for the New
South Wales government. It's been very hot and strong on this,
as you might expect governments here, the governments everywhere don't
want to see this sort of stuff in our society,
you know, hateful speech, spray paid on the walls of

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the places of worship, it's dreadful. The power to move
on has been ruled invalid, but it will still be
a crime to impede people, to harass people, to intimidate
them if they're trying to go in and out of
a synagogue or a moscow, a church.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
So the police, for you, though why do these activists
have to be anywhere near synagogues?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Well, I suppose they think it gets them an extra headline.
I mean, they're all headline chases, aren't they.

Speaker 14 (21:07):
I mean, anything we do here by way of protest
doesn't resonate, but doesn't ripple far beyond Sydney. I mean,
to be honest, unless you get on the harbor bridges
they did, unless you get down on the Opera House.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
I mean, those images go around the world. But your
point's very valid.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
I mean, I mean it strikes me that we're conflating
a state with its religion and they're not necessarily the
same vigion. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 14 (21:31):
I mean, just stay away from bloody churches. I mean
it's a bit sort of I don't know, a bit
the Spanish inquisitions. I mean, there's no need to go
near a synagogue or a mosco or a church from.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Leave those people alone, all right. So Tidmus is retiring.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
She is, indeed, and look it's a big loss for
Australian swimming.

Speaker 14 (21:49):
She's only twenty five years old, but she's been at
the pool since she was about six, so it's a hell.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Of a career from this young woman.

Speaker 14 (21:58):
She's one of the greatest distance swimmers ever, not just
in Australia but for all time. Eight Olympic medals at
the Games in Paris and in Tokyo, four of those gold,
nine World championship titles, including world championship medals, including four
titles at world level. And look, she is a bit

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of a loss, has no doubt about that. She was
an absolute weapon. She earned arian Tiitmas her nickname was
the terminator and you know the likes of Katie Ladecki.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
She mowed her down and Lidecki.

Speaker 14 (22:29):
Is one of the greatest, one of the goats of
swimming and Tipmas had her measure twice at Olympic level.
So a very big loss to Australian swimming. But look,
she's a bright, very attractive in terms of public personality.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
She's got a big career in the media somewhere, I'm
sure of it.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Brilliant stuff. Thank you very much, Mauz, appreciate it. Mariol's
Australia correspondent eighteen away from.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Five Heather due for c Ellen.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah, the Rugby three sixty is going to change some
of the rules of rugby and it will become a
hybrid of league, and that's why that after the league
plays geez. I hope you're right. I hope you'll right,
because it strikes me that the problem, this is what
I've been saying for age is the problem with rugby
union is the rules, isn't it. It's just so dull.
It has become a defensive game. It's boring to watch.
That's why everybody switching over to league and loving it.

(23:12):
So if they can do a little hybrid, it might
actually be the very thing that world rugby needs to
see in action in order to change its own rules. Anyway,
I've got an update for you on Treva Mallard. Do
you remember how Winston called Trevor Mallard back from Ireland
or was it August August something like that, and he's like,
Trevor Mallard's coming back early, and everybody looked at it
and went, well is he though, because he's supposed to
come back in January and you're only bringing him back

(23:33):
in November. So I didn't feel that early. Well, it
turns out there's a reason for that, Mallard. Winston did
actually want Mallard back pretty much immediately when they wrote
to him in augustish or whatever. They were like, you
need to come immediately. The problem was Mallard's dog. So
the rules of New Zealand say that if you are
going to bring your dog back to New Zealand or

(23:53):
a dog to New Zealand, it has to have a
set of vaccinations and those vaccinations have to have according
to Mallard back and he was like, can't come back immediately.
Dog needs to be jabbed, needs to be six months,
and he'd had the jab the jabs had already been done,
but only three weeks earlier, so you know he wasn't
going to be able to come back early anyway, They
wrote back to him, these are the poor m fat
people who have to relay the bad news. Relayed the

(24:15):
bad news. Winston wasn't changing his mind and it wasn't
too worried about the quote pup and he needed to
come back immediately. And then he said, I might have
a little bit. I might be able to sort this
out with the dog. So I don't know, maybe the dog,
maybe maybe the vaccination rules weren't six months, but they
were some months, which is why he only ended up
coming well, he's only ending up coming back by the
looks of things. Next month sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
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Speaker 5 (24:41):
Ben has had a bit of trouble with the grab
one and he's just solved it. So I'm going to
run you through that in a minute, so you can
solve it for yourself if you need to.

Speaker 15 (24:47):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
It's thirteen away from five and Barry Sober, Senior Political
Correspondence with US Barry, Hello, Okay, Jim Bolger, so sad day.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 13 (24:56):
He's been ill for quite some time and in fact
was very close to death several months ago but pulled through.
And I heard just the other day when I talked
to you on air about it, that has repalliative care
at Wellington Hospital. So he died yesterday amazingly surrounded by
his nine kids, his wife Joan, and his eighteen grandchildren,

(25:18):
so you know, there was rather a large crowd exactly.
And look, I met Jim Bolder in the seventies when
I was the industrial roundsman for TV and Z and
he was the labor Minister for Rob Muldoon, and I
remember being quite astounded that he when I was a
young man. Of course, invited up for a drink in

(25:40):
the Labor Minister's office, and we did that on a
number of occasions, as you mentioned earlier. But it just
goes to show the power of television in the politician's
mind that they immediately adopt a television journalist, as he
did me to a fairly large extent. He used to
mimic Jim Knox, who was the president of the FIO

(26:01):
WEL in those days, and then expect to sit down
the next day and have a meaningful discussion with him,
and Jim was none too happy. This is Jim Knox
was none too happy about that. One of the more
interesting stories here there is him meeting Nelson Mandala in
Hurrahra in nineteen ninety one. There was a Commonwealth heads
of government meeting there and I was with Bolger and

(26:25):
he was We were mixing with the leaders as a
cocktail function and making an exit almost Bolgier was a
bit tired of the small talk and a man, an
African man, came through the exit door and said to me,
are you with a prime minister? And I said, well,
that's our prime minister there, and he said, can you

(26:45):
introduce this man who's coming through the door now to
him was Nelson Mandela, and Bolger was very quick. The
very next morning he booked almost immediately for breakfast the
next morning. And my abiding memory of that was that
I was shoved out of the way at this cocktail
function Philly, forcibly by none other than Bob Hawk, who

(27:06):
kind of sway through the crowd because he wanted to
be in on the Mandela thing. But Bolger got a
bit of.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
A coup there.

Speaker 13 (27:14):
And then several years later went to Mandala's inauguration in
nineteen ninety four, and I was with him again. There
he got a souvenir bottle of wine of Nineberg Cabinet Savignon,
and it was a large one and later and a
half and I happened to be at the lunch and
said to Bolgia, where'd.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
You get that from?

Speaker 13 (27:33):
He said, oh, that waiter over there gave me it
as a souvenir. So I thought, bucket this. I'm going
to go over and talk to the waiter as well.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Went over. He gave me one.

Speaker 13 (27:43):
Well, Bolger drank his. I think, Philly. Soon after getting
back to the country, I've still got mine here.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
But you realize, you realize it's going to be soury, but.

Speaker 13 (27:53):
It's got the presidential seal on the bottle.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
He would have.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
No, No, I think it's a it's now a family
loom appreciated by no one. Carry on, carryll that's true.

Speaker 13 (28:08):
But look, Parliament's adjourned for the week now because they
sat this afternoon in honor of Jim Bolger. A number
paid tribute to him. Here's Labour's Chris Hopkins, followed by
Winston Peters.

Speaker 16 (28:21):
Jim Bolger's life is full of contradictions. Has government sold
the Bank of New Zealand and then he was the
inaugural chair of the new government owned Kiwibank.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Has Government ushered.

Speaker 16 (28:33):
In the Employment Contracts Act, and then subsequently he chaired
a working group that led to the establishment of fair
pay agreements. His government did more to weekend unions than
just about any other. But then in his later years
he lamented how small unions had become in the effect
that that it had for working people. He sacked Winston
Peters from his cabinet and then formed New Zealand's first

(28:54):
MMP coalition with Winston Peters as his deputy Prime minister.
A government that it's transpired to be remarkably stable, much
so the frustration of the then Labor Party opposition. I
do want to acknowledge Winston Peters today the only remaining
member of the House who served in government with Jim
Bolger during the time that he was Prime Minister we.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
Formed the first MMP government. He put difference aside, shook
hands on that agreement, and more importantly, he kept his word.
Today we can and must acknowledge that Jim Bolder contributed
to a time of enormous difficulty economically and changed to
New Zealand. But a far bet importance than this, we
acknowledged the passing of a husband, father, and grandfather. Jim,

(29:40):
May God bless you.

Speaker 13 (29:42):
So Winston was quite emotional I think about it all.
But Chris Hopkins wasn't quite right. It wasn't he wasn't.
The only person in the House today that had served
in a government with Jim Bolger's leader was Jerry Brownlee
was also came into Parliament in the first MMP elect
in nineteen ninety six, and he remembers a party in

(30:05):
the Speaker's Lounge after winning that election when Doug Kidd
was in the chair which he occupies today, which.

Speaker 18 (30:11):
Loved gatherings of people. He enjoyed, as any true Irishman would,
the opportunity to be with other people. And I recall
it shortly after the formation of the nineteen ninety six government,
Doug Kidd invited a number of senior ministers and members

(30:31):
to the Speaker's Lounge for ongoing discussions, which you can
alleage involved a lot of you know, well, basically they
loved their whiskey. And Doug pointed at me and said,
you come too, So I did. But I found out
I was any there to be the waiter, and I
was quickly dispatched by Jimbolgia to go and find he

(30:53):
in Revel, who played a guitar. He said, get Revel,
get his guitar, get him back here. We're going to
sing some songs. He loves singing. But then he dragged
everybody out onto the balcony just outside the Speaker's loue,
drinks in hand, some smoke ascending above their heads, and
then led the group in a resounding rendition of Danny Boy.

(31:15):
And you just think thisself could have prime in us
to do that. Today, the reality is that he was
able to beat himself with those who he worked with,
and too often I think we have to hide that
away because of the malicious nature of social media these days.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Barry, thank you very much, Barry So for senior political correspondent.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Your thoughts this morning on Jim Bolger.

Speaker 19 (31:41):
Oh.

Speaker 20 (31:42):
I was sweet with Jim Bulger for many years in politics.
He was such an interesting mix. He was a conservative
Taranaki farmer who had the courage to kick off the
treaty settlement process. Took on his own party an electioneer
in nineteen ninety six to sign the Knightahu and Taiinui settlements.
So you, underneath the political maneuvering was a will of

(32:03):
steel and some deep principle people forget. He was also
the guy who bought an AMMP oversaw that process, you know,
accepting the will of the people.

Speaker 21 (32:13):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Z B Heather, who is paying for the mark? This
is Mallard's dog. Not sure but probably you to be honest,
So this is the drama with Ben Okay. So Ben
texts me earlier he said, Heather, I have eight vouchers
for the christ Church Adventure Park. I bought them on
Grab one. I now here Grab one has gone broken.
I can't use these tickets. I'm really pissed off and
I feel scammed. Well, five minutes later, Ben sends me

(32:39):
a text, Heather, I paid Grab one from my credit card.
I've just been on the phone to my bank and
it's within ninety days so they can reverse the transaction.

Speaker 22 (32:47):
Now.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
I'm very happy Ben changed just like that. So here's
a tip, right if you have within the last ninety
days brought yourself a Grab one voucher, now that they're
in liquidation, you might also be able to get that
transaction reversed. It's worth it, you know, you save what
is it? Mind the penny, save the pounds or whatever.
I've done a terrible job of that saying, haven't I Anyway.
Ruth Richardson is with us straight after the News talk

(33:10):
Us through John Jim Bolger, News Talks a.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
B pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's Heather Duplicyl and Drive with One New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
News Talks V.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Afternoon MP's across the House of paid tribute to former
Prime Minister Jim Bolger, who passed away at ninety Winston
Peters is one of only two MP's in Parliament today
who served m Bulger's government.

Speaker 17 (33:47):
It's true to say that twenty nine years ago, nine
ninety six, we formed the first MMP government. We he
put differences aside, shook hands on that agreement, and more importantly,
he kept his word.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
And Chris Luxon said that even recently he'd been getting
the odd call from Jim, but.

Speaker 18 (34:05):
Since becoming Prime Minister I received a few quiet phone
calls from him.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
They were short, sincere and thoughtful.

Speaker 18 (34:12):
He offered encouragement, perspective and advice, advice that I took seriously.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Now.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Ruth Richardson was Jim Bolger's first Finance minister.

Speaker 23 (34:20):
Hi, Ruth, greetings, Heather.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
You have much of a relationship with Jim Bolder in
recent days.

Speaker 23 (34:27):
I last saw him at the Press Gallery anniversary and he,
as always, was magnanimous but dismissive because he had come
to take a very different view of public policy to mine.
Our most crossing of swords in his post politics years
were over Brexit, where I predicted that Brexit would be

(34:50):
voted in by the British public and he completely poopooed me,
and I must say a bit of glee in doing.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
I told you so, how do you feel about what
happened in the last well, I want to say the
last few years, but it really is a very long time.
But recently he had come to criticize his own government
and then what he calls the neoliberal policies. How did
you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Well?

Speaker 23 (35:13):
I felt of it, affronted, and I think he sold
himself short. I mean, he showed policy bravery when he
had to. He gave the reformers licenses to you know,
completely and fundamentally change for school policy, labor market policy.
He was not an accessory after the fact, he was

(35:34):
part of that government. And to me, he really did
put a slur on his own reputation by recanting, because
he recanted on no good evidence at all. If you
look at the labor market, it's been highly successful. If
you have a look at the fiscal responsibility rules, they've
generally been highly successful. So why he would want from

(35:56):
a great height to effectively do the proverbial on set
access I do not know.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, what do you think happened there? Did he did
he just reflect on what had happened in the nineties
and regretted or actually, was he always in the wrong party?

Speaker 23 (36:13):
I don't think he was in the wrong party. But
remember the National Party as a party of management. It's
a party that is transactional. The government of which I
was a member and which he was a willing participant
in those first three years, was a government of transformation.
So to an extent, that's a deviation from the norm

(36:34):
of the National Party, and he just reverted to type.
He learned his political craft at the knees of Moldowon
He and Birch and Crewe slope filled rooms. They were
used to doing the deals. This was a new era
and it wasn't that he was dragged into it kicking
and screaming. His hand was forced by dreadful economic circumstances

(36:57):
that we faced, a real baptism of farm We did
what was right and the results you seven percent growth,
The books are balanced. Any minister of financial would gether
their iteth for that sort of result today from those policies,
what do.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
You think his legacy will be? Because he's kind of
divorced himself from that right by Es seems to kind
of divorcing himself from you on that. Do you think
his legacy is going to be what happened with the settlements?

Speaker 23 (37:29):
His legacy should be fiscal responsibility. You know, he stood
up when he had to, which is much more than
subsequent governments had dealings, say with the age of superannuation,
where they've just basically piked. He didn't pike. He didn't flinch.
On treaty settlements. He will be remembered as the initiator

(37:51):
of that, and in fact it started in nineteen ninety
two with the Sea Lord's settlement. Was the first showing
of hand that we were prepared to seek some deal
with grievances and give some financial redress. I think the
other apart from MMP, which I think is a blot
on the electoral landscape and of stopping us from making

(38:14):
high quality, good decisions. Now, his other legacy is a
physical one, and that is to Papa. You know, we
had no business funding to paper. When we did, we
were in dire straits. Jim had agreed in the Cabinet
Committee that we wouldn't go ahead right project, wrong time,
and I think it was Joan that changed his mind
over the weekend it came to cabinet on Monday morning

(38:36):
and said we're going to do it, and you know
I was left you a bit gobs back, but we
did it.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Ruth, thank you very much, appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (38:43):
On.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Ruth Richardson, former Finance ministand to Jim bolgerver Do for
celan So Police and Autonga Timiniki. We now find out
have been secretly investigating Glory of Ail for serious allegations
of mistreatment of children. It's been reported that members of
Gloria Ail have been silencing crying children and baby by
covering their mouths and noses. The investigation started last year

(39:04):
after the release of the Royal Commission Virginia Courage is
a Glory of our lever High Virginia. Hello, you've seen
this happening, haven't you.

Speaker 24 (39:13):
He's the head.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
What did you see?

Speaker 24 (39:18):
And So as a younger child, I definitely witnessed other
children having this technique, their hands and their mouths being
covered to stop them crying, to stop them fussing, and yeah,
it wasn't very nice watching it.

Speaker 25 (39:36):
As a kid.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
No, we're talking about little babies here.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Ah.

Speaker 25 (39:42):
Us.

Speaker 24 (39:42):
This technique was used on babies definitely from six months
and older.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Yeah, designed to break their will, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (39:54):
Well, it was one of the discipline child wearing technie
that was used in Glory Vale, but it was definitely
around making sure that your child would stop crying when
they were asked, because they knew that the punishment would
get extreme pretty fast.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah. Well, I mean that's quite a dangerous thing to do.
Have any kids actually died as a result of this? No,
not that I'm aware of lost consciousness.

Speaker 26 (40:27):
I was involved in.

Speaker 24 (40:29):
A situation and at a little boy was brought to
me and he was unconscious from going through this discipline technique,
and he was he wasn't breathing, and his father sort
of just like threw and met me. I didn't. I
don't even know if you said anything. I just went

(40:50):
straight into usiskid breathing mode and you did. It was
pretty pretty extreme.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Do you think, I mean, what you were talking about
is stuff that you were involved in, you know, around
about twenty years ago. Is it still happening?

Speaker 27 (41:09):
Well?

Speaker 24 (41:10):
Interestingly, interestingly enough, twenty five Glory while undertook some parenting
courses and that was to actually help around child's behavior
and alternative methods of wearing our kids and learning some

(41:31):
different practices because most of Glorivald's child wearing practices were
quite extreme. But when we left my husband and nine
and our teen children in twenty twenty nineteen, this was
never mentioned about the practice of covering their nose of mouth.

(41:52):
It was never brought up. There is something we were going.

Speaker 26 (41:54):
To stop doing.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Oh, I see, okay, So it was still happening in
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
Do you think I would say so okay?

Speaker 24 (42:02):
Now there's no public meantia of that not being okay?
Why would people stop it?

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, Virginia, listen, thank you very much. We'll have to
leave it there. I do appreciate your time. Virginia, courage,
glory of our lever Right, we'll deal with the grab
one situation. Next five to.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
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(43:00):
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Speaker 2 (43:20):
Heather d For ce Ellen, if you haven't heard.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
The latest with the fairies that we're brought from are
buying from China, you're gonna want to hear this, so
stand by. It's twenty past five online deal website, though
grab one has gone into liquidation today.

Speaker 26 (43:32):
As you know.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Trouble is, this is not good news. For people who've
bought vouchers, they will not be refunded, according to the liquidators,
and that means it's up to businesses to decide whether
they're going to honor the vouchers or not. Deon Tilson
is the general manager for her Poddokai Springs, and he's
with us now. Hey, Dion, Hey, hell you very well,
thank you. Are you guys honoring the vouchers?

Speaker 26 (43:52):
We are yet yet? No, We've made a conscious decision
in good face to honor whatever unredeemed vouchers they are
out there in the market. Unfortunately we know exactly how
many that is because the merchant system has been shut
down to them. To other businesses, we expect there's probably
up to five hundred still. You know, family and adult
vouchers still out there.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
Have you been paid for them?

Speaker 26 (44:13):
We haven't been paid for a segment of the school
holiday vouchers, so we're estimating we've probably lost twenty thousand
dollars and income to date, and potentially another ten to
twenty thousand and unredeemed vouchers that we will redeem for
customers as long as they can provide some sort of
an email or proof bank statement of the like that

(44:33):
they did by a voucher in the first place.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Yeah, I mean, this is the trouble, right because the
website's down. They can't necessarily print it out, can they.

Speaker 26 (44:40):
That's it. So we'll be working with those customers, you know,
well always recommend maybe they flick as an email instead
of just turning up at the counter, so we can
arrange it. We do have, you know, some databases and
the most recent databases we downloaded, so we do have
some information, but some of the latest purchases we don't
have on file. So it is going to be a
bit of case by case basis. But you know, we

(45:01):
will do our best to honor and make sure that
those customers do get the service states.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
They purchase through grad deon.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
So you're just doing this for goodwill, like you.

Speaker 26 (45:09):
Don't have to do this, say well, no, that that's ourbue.
No said now, And we've seen a lot of businesses.
I've spring to a lot of partners businesses, you know,
restaurants and so forth, hotels, they may not be in
a position to be able to offer it. You know,
we're a hopful complex. A lot of those voucher users
are repeat visitors. So you know, they's a good faith

(45:30):
aspect to it, and you know we're leading up to Christmas.
It's been a tough year. We certainly don't want to
put people out of pocket. So you know, we made
a conscious decision the managers and the directors to make
sure that we do honor those vouchers for those people
that have are basically lost out, will being let down
by grab one.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Good on you man, that's very decent to you. That's
Deon Tilson, who is the general manager at Puakaie Springs
in Auckland. Right, let's deal with Sean Plunkett The BSA
next five twenty.

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Speaker 5 (46:03):
The season three of The Diplomat still hasn't dropped. Do
you have any sway with Netflix to sort out the
catastrophic as you Laura?

Speaker 15 (46:10):
So much sway?

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Yes, so much sway.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Laura.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Can you look into this please for us? Daniels center
text through Daniel will see what we can do for you.
Five twenty five. Listen, I don't know how much most
people will care about the drama that's unfolding with the BSA. Obviously,
here in radio world we do because these people are
our watchdog. But if you enjoy watching people try something
on and then be forced to retreat, you might enjoy

(46:33):
this one. So what's happened here, what's kicked this off,
is that the BSA apparently decided in secret that they
would give themselves permission to tidy up not just New
Zealand's TV and radio, but now also the entire Internet.
And the first outfit that they've come after is the Platform. Now,
my personal dealings with the BSA have led me to
believe that the people drawn to sitting on bodies like

(46:56):
the BSA are not always the country's deepest thinkers. And
this only reinforces that because if you thought about this
for any more than ten minutes, you would realize the
BSA should just leave the Internet alone. The BSA can't
police the entire Internet, it's too big. What are they
seriously proposing to send Joe Rogan a fine for three
thousand New Zealand dollars if someone in New Zealand complains
about something he said. They can't even realistically police the

(47:19):
part of the Internet that New Zealand uses it's too big,
too many podcasts, too many videos, audiophiles, live streams, you
name it, which means they're going to have to pick
and choose what they police and crack down on in
the Internet, which will inevitably lead to them being accused
of bias and favoritism, which is exactly what has happened here,
because the first lot they've come after is the Platform, which,
if you know the story, was set up on the

(47:39):
Internet precisely to avoid the BSA and its rules. So
what a surprise that it's the first one the BSA
comes after. What a surprise that they're coppying a huge
amount of flack and resistance from all over the show,
including Winston and David Semol. It seems to me there
is a way out of this for the BSA. They
have to back down, because this is just an interim decision.
I think they might have to abandon it, and their

(48:02):
plans for Internet domination may have to also be abandoned,
and then they will have to eat some humble pie,
which surely would have been obvious to them if they
had only thought about it like the rest of us,
for about yeah, I don't know, ten.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Minutes, Heather due for c Allen.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Oh it's eight pm. Thank you. That's how quick Laura is.
She's looked it up for you, Daniel. And the third
season of The Diplomat, which I also am excited about.
I'm not judging you here. It's excellent and as I said,
it's got the two West wingers in it. Eight pm.
Sean Plunkett is going to be with us after six
to talk about the BSA. You're going to want to
hear what's going on with the Chinese. The Chinese building

(48:38):
our ships. It turns out might be a bit of
a problem if there is a war with China, we
may come to regret it. We're going to talk to
Anne Marie Brady about this shortly, Heather. At what time
are we going to call out the obvious freak show
that is Gloria Ail and somehow have it shut down?
It's obvious to all exactly what is going on here. Look, Mark,
I think most of us are having very much the

(49:01):
same feeling that the world would be better if Gloria
Vail didn't exist. But there is no law under which
you can shut this down. Right, These are adults, I know,
the children don't ask for it. These adults who got
together to be weird, right, so you have to basically
erode everything they're doing. And that is what the authorities
are up to until they close it down themselves. News
is next.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
It's Heather Duper Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else News talks they'd be.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
I'd love to know what you think of Kim Kardashian's
new lingerie line. Well, Andrew, we're ahead of you on that.
We actually covered this on the show yesterday. And I
don't know that you know what I just I just
said some things about the BSA, and I just feel
like they're going to be listening now with their little
fingers hovering like you know what. They're not even going

(50:07):
to wait for a complaint from anybody listening to this.
They are simply going to file a complaint themselves. So
I don't need I don't need to be going into
her long lingerie line. Let me tell you, though, what
I what I would say is I did want say
on this show, you should never muck around your eyebrows, right,
never make some don't permanently remove your eyebrows with laser

(50:27):
or tattoo your eyebrows on, because if you do that
and then the fashion changes, you will regret it. And
I will simply say it may be true in this
case too. Twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Six ever, do for Cea Ellen Huddles.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Standing by going to be thus shortly Now On another subject,
concerns have been raised about the shipyard that the government
has chosen to build our new cook straight fairies. It's
Guangzhou Shipyard International, which also builds warships for the Chinese Navy,
and this has been identified as a high risk shipyard
by a research Institute of Washington DC. Anne Marie Brady
is a China expert in Canterbury Universe to be Professor

(51:00):
and with us high An Marie, good to talk to
you here. Do you think it's a bit of a
dodgy choice on our part?

Speaker 28 (51:08):
It's it's quite a confusing signal that our foreigmans are
sending us because we know that when he was Foreign
Minister with the Adan government and with this government, he's
very concerned about the strategic infrastructure and also the harmful
aspects of our relationship with China. So it's odd that

(51:31):
they have chosen a military shipyard, which is what the
Guangdong Shipyard International is in Chinese. It's a gang Guang
Chunk wood. It's always been a military ship plutyard. It
builds the PLA Navy vessels such as their Taipo two
torpedo boat and high speed gun boats. They have also

(51:52):
built their hospital. They're a military hospital vessel. So it's
it's a it's an unusual because the Fairies are a
strategic infrastructure for New Zealand. It's part of our national connectivity.
So you wouldn't want to give that kind of the contract,
that kind of technology to the state that you're so

(52:15):
concerned about. I mean, we know China's did show of
force in the Tasman Sea in February.

Speaker 29 (52:22):
The SAS tell us that China is our main source
of foreign interference and spinage. GCSP said, the main source
state source of cyber attacks, China threatening economic coercion against us.
You think about it, if it was nineteen eighty seven
the Soviet Union said hey, I've got a great deal
for you on your telecommunication networks. We'd say no, thank you,
We'll staly milk powder and buy some larders from you,

(52:46):
but we won't give you access to our strategic infrastructures.

Speaker 28 (52:50):
So it's just a bit of a confusion, confusing signal.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I think have you read about the US cranes that
have been built the Chinese cranes built for the US ports.

Speaker 28 (53:01):
Yeah, the US and the EU are looking really hard,
and the UK are looking really hard, and Australia at
strategic infrastructure and the dependency on China. And we've been
through this already, you know our police.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
But I want to ask you something about the.

Speaker 28 (53:17):
CCT cameras and they don't about the cranes.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Yes, So the thing about the cranes is that they're
worried that these cranes are able to have have had
vulnerabilities put into them that the Chinese are then able
to exploit at a time of their choosing, like a
Trojan horse type thing, and then they can take control
of the crane if they need them. Is that realistic?
And the concern then is that the same thing may
be true of the fairies. Is that realistic?

Speaker 28 (53:39):
Absolutely? Yes, it is. Unfortunately we are back into the
era of two worlds to strategic technology, and we are
also really we've got a hot war in Europe, and
we've got hybrid warfare in the Indo Pacific and we

(54:00):
really have we do have a risk of war in
our region two unfortunately, so we cannot allow strategic technology
to be to be from a country where we have
at such a strategic risk as China. You think about
our New Zealand navy boats, they're not made by China,
They're made by Germany, Australia, Korea, and we actually had

(54:22):
a deal with the Koreans and it's costing US six
hundred and seventy million dollars in break three.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Oh yea fees.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
No you don't reverse that against the Koreans. Yeah, no,
I think most of us who care about money think
this is one of the nuttier things that's happened. Listen,
Amory thinks so much appreciated. Add Marie Brady, China expert
in Canterburra University, Professor nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the
global Leader and Luxury real Estate.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
It turns out that I was very confident the other
day that something was completely kooky, and I was wrong.
So I'm going to have to address that before the
end of this hour with me on the huddle, we
have cleared law who was of course a journalist, and
Thomas Scrumser of the Maximums that she'd hire you two.
Hello Claire, when was the last time you saw Jim
Bulger at his.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Ninetieth birthday party earlier this year?

Speaker 26 (55:12):
And why can I?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
And you know it was a great occasion. It was
lower Kevan many of the parties he probably had when
he was much younger, but you know, he was ninety.
He was not well, but he was in very good spirits.
There was a great sort of sense occasion about it.
Mostly family because goodness me, you know, with nine kids
and lots of grandchildren and then brothers, sisters, cousins, aunties, uncles.

(55:36):
It was a big gathering.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
And then a kid tell me his aunties and uncles
were still alive.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
No, the aunties and uncles of you know extended rallies,
you know Jones and Joan's family, you know Jones family there.
You know, I'm saying, this is a big extended family.
And the kids, the kids were great. You know, the
kids range in age from around about sixty to forty
and so they're all grown ups now, but they composed

(56:04):
of you know, pretty funny song for their dad. They
played the guitar. It was a very Irish event in
many ways, Irish Catholic, and I think he was as
happy as a clam.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Do you think. So, it wasn't really shocked that he
passed away because he had been really unwell for quite
a time.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah, his health had been failing, and he remained him
Really I thought, great spirits given that because he was
on dialysis at home, you know, up to five times
a day. That's that's really taxing on the system. It
stops you doing a whole bunch of other things, really
restraining on Joan. But they have family nearby, and a

(56:40):
couple of her daughters lived nearby, and they were sort
of in and out all the time. And also Jim
had the phone and he really you know, took her
calling up his old mates, just yearning about the good
old days and also about what's going on currently in politics.
And I read, you know, Ruth Richardson commenting on him,
repudiating some of you know, the policies she drove through. Well,

(57:04):
he wasn't an ideologue, as I think one could say
Ruth was. So he had had time to reflect on
the human whole of those doesn't mean that both policies
and their implementation was wrong. But he was basically someone
with a pretty big heart, and he could see that
there is always somebody who gets the you know, the

(57:25):
bad end of the deal, and others get much richer
as a result of some politics.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
Now, Thomas, you're a bit of a student of politics.
What's your take on him?

Speaker 30 (57:35):
Certainly, I think it's interesting how much of an ambiguous
figure Jim Bolger is when people reflect on his legacy.
People who he was collaborating with in politics, Ruth Richardson
recognized a rift had emerged in how they were viewing
the legacy of their government, and some people who were
on the other side of politics came to recognize Jim Bolger.

(57:56):
I think his largest legacy really is those treaty settlements,
and many people have recognized that because they were such
a transitional event for New Zealand politics. He recognized that
for Mahi to have Mana Motuhaki, to have I guess
a sense of redress and independence, it was actually economic
independence that really mattered, and those have been huge successes.

(58:17):
Nighttahu and Taiinui economic powerhouses now because of what Jim
Bolger did. And I guess the other observation to make
is he was our last prime minister without a tertiary education.
Ever since, it's all been Uni people, and I think
that's a real shift in New Zealand public life. It's
hard to imagine now and I think this is a tragedy,
but it's hard to imagine now who was coming into

(58:38):
public political leadership without a university education. And I think
that's real loss to us at you know.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
What, I actually do agree with you, and also the
last of the farmer prime ministers, isn't it right? We'll
take a break come back to you, guys, shortly called
it to the huddle with.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, find your one of a kind.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
Twelve away from six and we have the huddle back
with us Claire de Law and Thomas Scrimgerhead. They read
the boats, what are you worried about? We're going to
sink them before any war anyway, which is probably true.
We'll figure out a way to make the autopilot network. Thomas, A.
You worried about this with the Chinese?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Not especially?

Speaker 30 (59:11):
I mean I can hear the concern people have. China
is obviously a geopolitical actor that will not always necessarily
aligned with if we're going to be cagy about language.
But certainly it's a real risk to New Zealand. But
we're doing business with China in all aspects of life anyway.
If we're going to draw a line with engaging with
China and doing business, purchasing theory seems like a weird

(59:34):
place to draw that line. Obviously would prefer to have
a values aligned country to theories off. But if the
Chinese theories are the best deal, it seems like a
pragmatic thing to proceed.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
What do you think, Claire, I'm.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Afraid I have to agree. It does seem to me
gives a degree of paranoia about it, But you know,
perhaps there is justifiable concern. But I didn't hear Anne
Marie Brady's favor decision was actually wrong. And I just
wonder if one looks at the contract, is there an ability,
for example, for New Zealand to have inspectors go in
and try and work out where the potential sort of

(01:00:11):
software is being planted that's going to track us. Reality is,
most of us are easily tracked, and you know, communications
in scept it because we're using iPhones made in China,
and we have televisions made in China, and we have
a range of other things that can track us and
are attracking us all the time. So I'm not as
concerned as possibly I should be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, I think I think actually you've
probably hit the nail on the head there. Clear I
suspect we should be a little bit more concerned. We're
probably going to end up having to decide whether we
want to go to war with them or not. But
you know who can be bothered being.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Well, it's probably also a timing issue. Yeah, you know,
they probably can deliver on time. Now that's going to
have been really important to our Minister of Railways. Yeah,
but these theories are delivered on time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Very good point. Hey, Thomas, what do you think about
the BSA deciding that it's got greater powers than everyone
else thought they had.

Speaker 30 (01:01:00):
Oh, I think they're fairly optimistic if they think they're
going to be able to get this across the line,
this little in the new kind of ambiguity. Going back
twenty nineteen, they had a paper where they were trying
to figure out what they could or couldn't do around
the Internet. But I think it's just a basic fact
that even if they want to, firstly, they should be
done by legislation, by Parliament deciding. But I just don't

(01:01:22):
think they're going to be able to have any control
over the Internet. Imagine if they did try to regulate
and were trying to impose sanctions upon Short and Plunket.
The absolute worst case scenario for him is that he
moves to Sydney and does the same show, because unlike
old fashioned media radio and TV, even if it's that
is produced overseas, it still has to come over New

(01:01:43):
Zealand airwaves. But that's not the case with Internet produced material.
If Plunkett wanted to move to Sydney and do the
same things cerdainly, none of it is produced or being
sent over in New Zealand airwaves and he's away laughing.
So it's probably good for Plunket's brand. He set up
the platformed you in his own own words, to be independent,
and now he's got a water fight. So good luck

(01:02:04):
to the BSA.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
I guess, Claire, I don't think they thought this through.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
What do you think, well, I think if people who
are opposed to it think it's through. They'll just complain
about everything and their system will be so clogged up,
but they will never be able to say the.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Excellent point you make, leader, all you need to do
go listen to the Alternative Alternative Commentary Collective. They swear
about five hundred and twenty seven times a minute. So
just complain about all of that to the BSA. They
won't even be able to get through a day's worth
of complaints in a year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
They totally won't. And so if people, you know, I
want to abstract it, they could easily do that, but
also have to say, well, what sort of teeth have
they got, what sort of ancients can they apply that
are meaningful? They sell them. The BSA sold them, for example,
asked for broadcaster and radio at least to take down something.

(01:02:56):
Usually there's you know, they find that something has been wrong.
An apology might be required, but mostly broadcasts podcast can
stay up, and you could argue they should be taken down,
but they don't usually do that. And so I just
sort of wonder what the point is of expanding the
REMIT when what they're doing currently, if it's to have

(01:03:17):
any sort of substantial effect, needs.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Reform anyway, it makes such a good point. Guys, it's
wonderful to talk to you. Thank you so much. Clear
to Lord Journalists and Thomas Scrimger Maxim Institute. Do you
know what I actually I'll tell you. Do you know
what I know what I would complain about? Well, I'm
actually kind of tempted. I'll tell you. In a minute
light away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
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Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Heather, is this Chinese fairy thing like the rebels putting
a fault in the First's Death Star? Sean to answer
your question? And what was the answer again?

Speaker 20 (01:03:52):
Please?

Speaker 31 (01:03:53):
I feel like it would be like if the Empire
contracted out to the rebels to build the death Staff
for them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
I think that's that sort of thing, yes, And that
would be wouldn't for the Empire to ask the rebels
to build the desk?

Speaker 31 (01:04:03):
Well, I mean they just have to check very very
carefully that the Rebels hadn't put a fault in the
Death Star.

Speaker 15 (01:04:06):
That would allow them to blow it up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
So think about that.

Speaker 15 (01:04:09):
Spoilers for the First Stars movie there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Yes, spoilers for when China takes over Taiwan anyway, five
away from six. So this is what I would complain about.
Now that the BSA thinks it's going to it's going
to tidy up the Internet, I would complain. I feel
like I feel like the thing to do here is
hassle them, just just for the giggles, right, just for
the shits and giggles BSA anyway, So this is what

(01:04:31):
I would do as I would get everybody to just
complain about the Keddy White the Ketty White te video.
Do you remember the Keddy Whitet video She who is
married to Hwiti and daughter of John Tamaherada. Remember when
she did that video where she was slightly unhinged in
it and was calling for the overthrow of the government
and said a whole bunch of stuff that was just
incredibly inflammatory. I would complain about that and see what

(01:04:52):
they do about it, see how the BSA is going
to handle that, or even if you know, more recently,
if you want to complain about the Takou the Fairest one,
if you want to, because I mean there were some
pretty racist stuff in there, you know, the one we
did the late night pop video, like you wanted to
play some Snoop Dogg in the background and lights and
bongs type thing. I would complain about that. See what
they do about that, See if they want to shut

(01:05:13):
that one down too anyway, and then just go to
help a letter find all the podcasts now. The other day,
when we were speaking of this nutty party, we were
talking about Eru KAPPAKINGI and the fact that it's alleged
that he abused a security guard at Parliament and then
he called the parliament a you know, bleep bleep, bleep,
bald head bleep and the security guards at us are

(01:05:34):
really racist, and I said, Nut's not Well, I might
be wrong because Ben Thomas on the Gone By Lunchtime
podcast said, this.

Speaker 11 (01:05:42):
Bullhead is a very very loaded term. It's probably I
think the highest ranking of you know, both anti white
sort of terminology, but also collaterally anti baldman who knew

(01:06:04):
who knew?

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
And they couldn't remember where I was listening to this,
They couldn't remember where where it originated from, and of
course kind listeners had already told me it was what's
his face? Bob Marley. So there you go. There's not
actually another one that you could keep an eye out for.
If any of the podcasts said say the phrase baldhead
just complain to the BSA. See what the BSA going
to do about it? And speaking of which, Sean Plunkett

(01:06:25):
will be with us next on his fight about the BSA.
And we've got to talk about Matt Mowbray, you know,
and the rumors going the rounds about Matt Mowbray. Stand
by for that news.

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The Broadcasting Standards Authority is defending its decision to go
after online content. They've responded to a complaint which was
filed about a comment that broadcaster Sean Plunkett made on

(01:07:23):
his online only show the platform. BSA Chief executive Stacy
Wood explains the thinking.

Speaker 25 (01:07:28):
We've said that we're going to asses online complaints on
a case by case basis, and we have previously said
that things like social media don't seem as clearly within
the purpose of the act. However, we acknowledge these broadcasters
that simultaneously broadcast on their own channels, terrestrial channels, their
Facebook pages. So yeah, good, very good question, and we

(01:07:48):
look forward to determining those complaints.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
So the question is how do they decide what they're
going to go after.

Speaker 25 (01:07:55):
Yeah, it's applying a pragmatic lens to it. Does it
look like radio? It doesn't sound like radio.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
Broadcaster Sean Plunket is with us on this. Hello, Sean,
get a eather. Nice to talk to you, lovely to
chat to you. Now, did you have any indication at
all before this arrived that you were now under their jurisdiction.

Speaker 21 (01:08:13):
Nope, none whatsoever. In fact, we ran promost when we
started pointing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Out that we weren't.

Speaker 27 (01:08:20):
Yes, and when did you start three and a half
years ago?

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Right, And so they had indicated that they've actually made
this decision all the way back in twenty nineteen. So
it's been What that means, It's been kept a secret
from all of us for about six years, isn't it.

Speaker 27 (01:08:33):
Yes? And they've never levied me. I don't even know
what the broadcasting standards are. They've never sent them to many.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Do you think from that comment about if it looks
like radio and sounds like radio, then it's radio, does
that clarify it at all for you?

Speaker 27 (01:08:51):
No, pen I don't think it clarifies for it for
anyone else either. Here that I think the problem is.
I think they are having a crack. I don't quite
know why they've messed it up so fundamentally from the
get go. This complaint will never see the light of day.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Are you of the view that they're going to back down?

Speaker 27 (01:09:12):
Well, I think they'll have to. They've got nowhere to
go with this. They can't say that I was under
their jurisdiction when I made the comments, because they've had
to issue a judgment saying asserting that they are so
clearly I wasn't, So the complaint falls over and they're

(01:09:36):
kind of grab for jurisdiction falls over because they're acting
outside the law. Parliament hasn't told them they can do
this in fact, it specifically said, we don't want to
address this stick to elane. They're going outside their lane.
That is illegal.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Do you not see? Is there not an argument that
they can interpret their legislation as including the Internet?

Speaker 27 (01:10:00):
Why it is not because the legislation was written in
nineteen ninety nine before the Internet.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Yeah, but it took about it's about transmission being received
and so on like that, you know, and you can
see that that could put the definition.

Speaker 21 (01:10:13):
And it was for people who had to get broadcasting
licenses radio and television stations. I don't need a broadcasting
license and I haven't got one, okay, And they've never
levied me to pay for them the two and a
half million dollars a year they cost.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Now, quick question is why did they do this then?

Speaker 21 (01:10:34):
Because three of their board members were appointed by Willie
Jackson and it is a back doorway to try and
mold media narratives and suppress freedom of speech in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
But hold on the tech. They can't be that dumb,
though Sean that.

Speaker 27 (01:10:52):
They thought, yes they can. Neither hither they can.

Speaker 21 (01:10:58):
The woker rati are that dumb, and they are in
such cognitive dissonance now that they don't have a compliant government.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Stop it.

Speaker 21 (01:11:09):
I've had dozens of lawyers contact me explaining how dumb
they are.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
No, no, no, hold on a tick. Are you telling
me that when they did this and they decided they
were going to come after you with an interim judgment,
that they actually thought they'd be able to see this
through and you would actually take this and it would
be fine and they could start policing the internet.

Speaker 21 (01:11:26):
Well, I do know that they told the minister what
they were going to do the day before because heats up,
so they knew they were probably buying a fight. I
think they thought I would be dreadfully scared and spend
lots of money and crawl up in a ball and cry, well,
I'm not going to I've just told them basically, you're not.

Speaker 27 (01:11:46):
The boss of me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
And also, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 21 (01:11:51):
Stacy Wood went on with Mike this morning after It's
only mew yesterday there wouldn't be any interviews and they're
not making any comment. I went back to her today
and I said, well, I presume you're coming on to
Morrik it should talk to Mike a broadcaster. No, no, no, no, no,
we're not going to talk to you, we're in dispute
with you, And I said, no, you're not. I've got
nothing to.

Speaker 27 (01:12:09):
Do with you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Oh lord, Okay, now see the Lord, they really haven't
thought this through because what this now brings us to
if you think about this a little bit more deeply,
you start to actually, after this little stunt that they've pulled,
you start to question whether they should even exist at all,
giving you start to realize how little control they have
over what we're consuming content wise. Have you not reached
this conclusion?

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:12:31):
No, absolutely, And I think they should be disbanded. And
I don't think you need I don't think zed B
needs to have them basically, and what they are basically
they use the threat of the process, the convoluted process
of a BSA complaint. They use that threat to kind

(01:12:54):
of create an atmosphere of fear where you're more circumspect
about exercising your freedom of speech as a broadcaster, and
your call is a more circumspect about exercising their freedom
of speech because God, just the trouble and the bureaucracy
of going through what they create is, you know, damages people.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
Yeah, that's a fair point, Sean. It's good to talk
to you. Thanks for coming on. Good luck with it.
Broadcaster Sean Plunket, who's with the platform thirteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Six, Heather due to see Alan.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
Yeah, we will get to the Matt Mowbra thing and
just can I just quickly update you on what's gone
on with Auckland University. This is the compulsory treaty of
White Tonguey course that they had. They have now done
exactly what we thought that they would do, which is
that they voted to make it optional instead of compulsory.
The council, the university's council voted yesterday afternoon. They had
seven members voting in favor of it becoming optional, two

(01:13:51):
wanted to keep it compulsory, and one abstained. Well, what's
interesting about this because that none of that's a surprise,
like you could see this coming a mile off. But
what's interesting about about it is that the staff are
deeply unhappy about this. There's a letter that's been signed
by four hundred and twenty six university staffers calling for
the course to be retained for the next three years

(01:14:12):
as compulsory to provide sufficient time for implementation. As in,
basically people get used to it and stop complaining about
it and just suck it up and gave it. Was
a five page letter as well, outlining the reasons why
staff wanted the course to remain, claiming there had been
a lack of transparency in the review process of the course. Well,
Boho gone, quarter past.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
It's the Heather Dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Heather on the concerns about the Chinese building the ferry.
Boeing and Airbus both make military aircraft as well as civilians.
So what's the point, Well, you're missing you slightly missing
the point there. Boeing yes, does make military aircraft and
civilian aircraft. And Airbus, yes, does make military aircraft and
civilian aircraft. I'm taking you word of that. But here's
the thing. Boeing is made by the Americans in the
air Buses made by the people in Europe, so and

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both of them are the people we're going to fight
on that side. We're not going to fight on the
Chinese side. So that's why it's not really a straight comparison.
Is at six eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
The Rural Report on Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Hi, host of the countries with us.

Speaker 22 (01:15:16):
Hello Jamie, Hello Heather, I've got a bone to pick
with you. I've heard in my absence that you've been
shouting the odds about how Hamish Mackay, my namesake and
film's a lot better on the radio than me. No.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
Well, i've been flirting with him, is what's happened, and
so we've decided we're going. But no, I never said
that he's better than you. And if that's what he's
told you, then we also know another thing about Hamish,
which is that he tells a porky. But no, it's
lovely to have you back, just back from holiday, go
on straight to Gisbon, have you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:15:45):
While I was in the Auckland office today I had
a brief family cuddle with yourself and cousin Barry, and
then straight onto a plane for Gisbone. We're here for
the can you believe.

Speaker 20 (01:15:55):
This, Heather?

Speaker 22 (01:15:56):
The one hundred and fiftieth Amp Show or Gisbone Show,
who starts tomorrow. So you've got to go back to
my mats is right eighteen seventy five and just give
a bit of a shout. And I've just checked into
the port Side Hotel which is right by the waterfront
here in Gisbon, and I must say I haven't been
in Gisbon for years. What a beautiful town it is

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and the weather here today is absolutely stunning. We've been
down to the show. We've set up at the Brand site.
The Brand boys are very excited to have us there tomorrow.
I think they're more excited that the Prime Minister Christopher
Luxen's going to kick off the show from the Brant
site tomorrow, which reminded me heather of a story going
back to the two thousand and six. It might have

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been the last time I was in Gisbon. I did
a drought farmer field day way up in the hills
behind Gisbane, and there was a bloke by the name
of John Key there who was the opposition leader at
the time. He went to the top of this hill
or mountain on the back of a quad four wheel
that got covered in dust, and there was a helicopter

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there to take him back I think, to Napier Airport
to go back, and there was four or five hundred
farmers there for this trout event and he said to
his people, I ain't going until I've been around every
lener like big bales of hay and the farmers were
having a beer and he went round and he worked.
It wasn't a room, it was a huge open paddock

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with all these farmers having a stubby over a haybal
and I thought, this guy's got it. He can really
work a room. And of course a couple of years
later he was Prime Minister. So it'll be interesting to
see if Christopher Luxen can have that effect in Gisbon tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Yeah, she sets a work ethic, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
What do you make of these emissions targets read the
me thing? What do you make of this?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:17:40):
I think it's good and sensible. It happened in my absence.
I haven't fully caught up yet, but look, I think
what is at fourteen to twenty four rather than twenty
four to forty sevens just eminently sensible ag not in
the ets. And I know that the Greenies and green
Peace all are jumping up and down about this, but
as an economy, we haven't got that much going for
at the moment, so we just can't hamstring our biggest

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industry at forty seven percent as he walk at echinoa
and all that sort of nonsense.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Was proposing it.

Speaker 22 (01:18:10):
It just sort of shut down twenty percent of out
sheet and beef farms and I think seven or eight
percent of our dairy farmers. So forget about this very
pragmatic approach from the government.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I pat him on the back.

Speaker 22 (01:18:22):
I tipped my hat to them for that one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Absolutely, Jamie, look after yourself. It is so lovely to
have you back. I really mean that. We'll talk to
you again on Tuesday. That's Jammie McKay, host of the Country,
and he's right at Gisbon. I've stayed at the port
Side Hotel. Actually, it was a good time, and I
think it was what was I doing covering rhythm? I
was a tvnsed reporter. We all were at some stage
covering rhythm and vines and look, it was the hardest

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assignment I've ever done. Not it was a great time. Heather, Lord,
here we go, Heather. It is the fifteenth of October
in America. BTE listening. Please, It's the fifteenth of October
in America, so we may have to wait until tomorrow
for the diplomat to show up here. Laura no, I yeah,
Well can you sort this out for Lynn please? Laura's

(01:19:06):
going to sort it out for you. Don't worry to
hang on.

Speaker 8 (01:19:07):
It's going to use us sway with Netflix.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Yeah, we can use our sway with Netflix. Back in
a minute and we'll answer this. No, it's not. Are
you sure, she says, it's this. Oh no, I thought
it's going past midnight and at eight o'clock our time
in now. Oh, okay, okay, okay, we've got the answer.
I've got the answer. Hold on, Lynn, I'll come back
to you six twenty two, croaching the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
It's hither due for Celan with the business hour and
mass for insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Investments and Kiwi Safer. You're in good hands. News Talk said,
be all right, Lynn, here's what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:19:39):
Okay, So right now, what you need to know is
what the time is in LA. It's released the show's
land at midnight in LA. It is one and a
half hours right now away from midnight in LA. So
it's like halp past ten on the fifteenth in LA,
and in one and a half hours it's going to
become midnight on the sixteenth. That's when diplomat drops for you,

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which is eight o'clock our time. You're welcome now, I
said we're going to talk about Matt Mowbray. So he
has had to come out. He's of the Mobray family. Obviously,
he's had to come out and publicly deny that he
is the member of the wealthy key Wee family that's
convicted of having extreme child abuse material. Apparently, rumors have
been circulating on TikTok and various social media outlets claiming

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it's him. I have actually been told this too. It
is not him. It is not Matt Mowbray. He's even
had to provide to the Herald of Ministry of Justice
document to confirm he's got no convictions on his record.
I don't know why I had to do that, because
the Herald knows it's not him, because they know who
it is because they've been covering the case. I know
who it is. It's not Matt Mowbray. And now if
you've been following this, you know that he is the

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second rich lister who's had to do this, because the
other one was Wayne Wright, who had to do it
all the way back in August and come out and
say because remember Grok Twitter's AI was like the creep
is Wayne right? Well know the creep is also not
Wayne right or Matt Mowbray is somebody else entirely. Now,
this is the problem with suppressions because the suppressions like
this cause because there aren't that many rich lists of
family families in this country, right, So if you suppress

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who it actually is for very spurious reasons, by the way,
in the age of social media, people are just gonna
make it up and start naming people who it is
clearly not so. I don't know, Judge, just might need
to start thinking about this when they do the suppression.
Suppression for good reason, fine, suppression for no good reason
like this not so fine. Six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 11 (01:21:30):
True.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Whenneth Paltrow has revealed she wants to write a book,
it's not a book about weird lifestyle things like vagina
candles or goop things. This would be a book about
conscious uncoupling, because she and Chris Martin famously consciously uncoupled
a decade ago, and she told British Vogue she's so
proud that she did that and that she lives it,
and so many people have come up to her and
thanked her for that and for helping to create that template,
and this is what she said about love.

Speaker 19 (01:21:51):
I think when I was thirty, I still was very
caught up in this idea that I had to earn love,
that I wasn't just inherently lovable. I think that's something
that I've been able to really work through, and now
I feel that love is something that we just all deserve.

(01:22:13):
We don't need to earn it. There doesn't have to
be a carrot that we're dangling, you know, dangling in
front of us, like we just each of us are
just completely lovable.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
That's actually true. But interesting timing because the unofficial Gwyneth
Big biography has just been published, written by a journalist
called Amy Odell, and Gwyneth has nothing nice to say
about the book. She says it was all rubbish. Yeah,
so that's the update on Gwyneth. Now you know why
she's writing a book anyway. Let's take the news. Sam
Dickie with us on Amazon just a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Whether it's a micro microth or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplic, Ellen
can to Mes for insurance investments and Hueye Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
You're in good hands. Use talk spy. Where it got
US ever.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Integrated with US out of the UK ten minutes time.
ASP has put out a note on what it is
picking for CPI for Q three, so it says Q
three CPI is going to come in at one percent.
That'll take the annual inflation rate to three point one percent.
Three point one of course outside the target ban of
one to three. Our CPI is out on Monday, so
we'll keep an eye on that. Twenty four away from seven,

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Amazon has been massively scale scaling up its same day
grocery delivery over the last few months, looking to be
in about two and a half thousand US cities by
year end. It's a strategic assault on our grocery market
worth nine hundred billion dollars. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds
is with us to talk us through this. Hasam good
eating he Sam. How does Amazon's move change the competitive landscape?

(01:23:49):
Do you think.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
It is?

Speaker 33 (01:23:51):
Well, it's nailed everything else, hasn't It nailed the same
day delivery of books in CDs, through iPhones and everything
in between, and grocery is the holy partly because of
the size of the market, like you said, nine hundred billion,
but partly because it's the ultimate repeat purchase, we've all
got to eat and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Been really hard.

Speaker 33 (01:24:09):
So delivering fresh groceries on the same day requires a
really expensive, dense network of specialized refrigerated facilities, and this
stuff perishes, so it has to be perfect. And we
you and I have ultra low tolerance for soggy tomatoes,
so we'd rather just go to the grocery store if it's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Not good enough.

Speaker 33 (01:24:26):
And the other thing is picking and packing. The groceries
can cost a gross of nine bucks, So if you
think about it on one hundred dollars average basket size
in the US, that leaves no profit margin.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
So same day delivery as a game changer.

Speaker 33 (01:24:39):
It more or less replicates that instant gratification that you
and I get when we go to the supermarket.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
Now, what do you think this is going to mean
for the traditional supermarket chains and the smaller regional players
and everybody who's already doing this stuff.

Speaker 33 (01:24:53):
Well, Wall Street is describing the situation as guerrilla warfare,
and so Amazon is leveraging it's sort of massive one
kart advantage over these other guys, So the consumers can
buy three hundred and fifty million other Amazon products and
their groceriy. So this has kind of devastating to companies

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like Instacart, who just deliver groceries, or supermarket Kroger, who
just sells groceries. They can't leverage that other scale of
buying all the other electronics alongside it, so they what
does that mean? It means they can't match Amazon on price,
and already, since this happened a couple of months ago,
Amazon's prices are seven percent below Walmart, sixteen percent below Kroger,

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and seventeen percent cheaper than Albertson's, which is another supermarket
chain and so far so good too. So they're these
low prices are meaning they're taking volume market share. So
early pilots show that seventy five percent of users were
first time Amazon grocery buyers, so they've been buying from
someone else before and they will return twice as often,

(01:25:54):
So they're using that massive scale to take market share
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Now you've already got players doing grocery delivers as well,
or food deliveries, You've got Uber Eats, you got Instacart,
door Dash and so on.

Speaker 33 (01:26:04):
So what about then, Yeah, well Instacart sort of fell
out of bed on the day this was announced and
hasn't recovered since because they're doing nothing but just delivering
groceries and that that is a tough, low margin business,
particularly when you can't leverage all those other products across
it as well, like amazonas now Instacart and sorry, door
Dash and uber eats. They obviously dominated the delivery of

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takeaways as being no issue there, but they had both
expanded into into grocery delivery to sort of further bols
to their revenues.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
But here's the rub that they're just.

Speaker 33 (01:26:34):
Intermediaries charging grocers sort of fifteen to twenty five percent commissions,
while Amazon is the platform, the logistics network, and often
the grocery the product grocery supplier as well. So door
Dash and uber eats can't compete with that scale and
full integration of Amazon.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Right, So what do you reckon this means for investors? Sam?

Speaker 33 (01:26:54):
I think it competitors without that scale, and it seems
like the holy grail is finally being found or cracked.
Competitors without that scale, soo Instacart regional grocers that they
will bleed and it's good for consumers of course. Over there,
I mean groceries are just going to get cheaper and
the other thing is you should look for, and we've
seen this in Europe, is these smaller grocers and regional grocers,

(01:27:17):
even national grosers. As they face margin pressure, you'll see
more sort of companies taking over other companies. And we
saw that in Europe when that sort of grocery delivery
market took off. Grocery m and A or mergers and
acquisitions are up thirty one percent since then. And as always,
the other thing is Amazon's actually playing a different game.
It's not really that interested in the grocery margin itself.

(01:27:41):
The kicker here is that Prime members, of which there's
sort of two hundred million households in the US who
are Prime members who pay one hundred and thirty nine
bucks a year for all the Prime benefits, so the video,
but also free delivery, et cetera. They get free same
day grocery delivery. So this is really the game for
Amazon here is about locking those really valuable members in

(01:28:02):
and making them stickier, and in the process they're going
to sort of destroy a few grosses along the way.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Interesting stuff. Hey, thank you very much. Sam, We'll talk
to you in a week's time. Sam Dickey, a Fisher
Funds nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Heather Duplessy Allen Heather, I've been watching the news.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
I see Jenny Shipley goes to the same optometrist as
John Kerwin and Auckland. Is this in Auckland? Look yes?
In short, there's no way to say this other than yes,
you should see Barry Soaper's new glasses. So we in
fact today Jamie McKay, because of course you know, Jamie
McKay doesn't go in for this Auckland look nonsense. He's
a man of the farm from Southland. He turned up

(01:28:36):
and he was like, ah, yes, yes. We had a
discussion that I cannot repeat on air for fear of
the BSA commenting on the glasses and Jamie's observation was well,
at least they're not as bad as Jakay's as in
John Kerwin, so it's all of the same. Vein Now
Trade Me founder Sam Morgan has given a speech to
a philanthropic event here in Auckland where it was just

(01:28:57):
full of glasses like that made some really interesting observations
about having a lot of money. He reckons like he's
spending his money on philanthropy largely. He reckons there's no
logical alternative to doing that. If you're uber wealthy, he says,
you've only got two other choices. It's like you've got
three choices available to you, philanthropy, or you're buried with
your money, or you give your kids to your money.

(01:29:18):
You give your money to your kids and then you
mess them up, which is kind of when you think
about it, actually quite true. Anyway, he reckons, you may
as well give it away because you're gonna lose it anyway,
Because he reckons, data shows that after three generations, ninety
five percent of wealthy families are no longer wealthy families,
mainly because of things like multiple divorces, of trust fund babies,

(01:29:38):
and incompetent investing as well. So if the money is
going to go anyway, why don't you just do something
worthwhile with it? So he reckons, the wealthy should be
giving you away two, three, four five percent of their
net worth every single year. He uses it to save
and improve lives in India and Africa. He also says,
because once you uber wealthy, you get letters of the
uber wealthy club, and he reckons that he now that

(01:30:01):
he's spoken to a lot of other uberwealthy people He's
reached a conclusion, which is that many rich people seem
to think that they are immortal and they are holding
wealth as if they are going to live forever. I thought, hmm,
but that's what it looked like from the outside. But
I'm glad it looks like that from the inside too.
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen and Mas for
Insurance Investments and Kuey Saber you're in good hands news.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Talk, sa'd be hither.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
I'm happy Toss be messed up. Please send Sam Morgan
my bank account, lord, while if I'm sending examine in
your bank account, I'm sending it at my bank account.
Two fourteen away from seven into Brady UK Correspondents with
us Evening Ender.

Speaker 9 (01:30:42):
Hey, how are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
Good now? Loving the fact that everyone's calling for Andrew
to be stripped of as dukedom. But it's not going
to happen, is it.

Speaker 9 (01:30:50):
Well, there is a mechanism, and apparently it was done
in World War One when some dukes decided that they
would fight for Germany rather than fight for the United Kingdom,
so they managed to take away duke titles or dukedoms
over a century ago when the Germans were involved, and
you wonder who's the bigger threat nowadays? You know, Andrew
has destroyed his own reputation, and I think Charles and

(01:31:14):
his advisors are very very much aware that this man
is bad news, and they've known for a long time now.
The reason he's back in the front page is today
there are calls for the title to be taken away,
the dukedom. He's also a member of the Knights Garter.
So if you know it's the email he sent to
Epstein in twenty eleven saying we'll play again some more
soon with four exclamation marks. What does that mean? You know,

(01:31:36):
poor Virginia Giuffrey, her family, everything she has been through.
There is a mechanism available. I think the only thing
they can't take away is the word prince because he
is the King's brother. But I think Andrew ultimately is
going to be stripped of absolutely everything.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
Do you think so? Because the argument is, inda this
is the German and I've spent a lot of time
talking about this. The argument is you can strip him right,
it gets rid of that problem. But then what you
have is a guy who hasn't He doesn't have any
support networks anymore, so he goes rogue like Harry. So actually,
for Charles, like there is a point at which Charles
needs to give him just enough to kind of keep

(01:32:12):
him keeping him, to keep him behaving properly, don't you
think no?

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
Because the problem with that argument is Harry has half
a brain. Andrew has none. Okay, Andrew has no brain whatsoever.
He is just he reeks of entitlement. I've actually had
dinner with the guy. He's one of the dullest men
you could be anywhere near. And I think my suspicion
is the royal family at the highest level and the

(01:32:38):
UK establishment know there are even more dangerous emails out there.
I think what we're seeing is just the tip of
the surface.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
Well, how does he make his money if they strip him?

Speaker 9 (01:32:49):
Well, he managed to find an awful lot of money
to pay off Virginia Dufrey twelve million pounds starting twenty
four million dollars then, z I mean, you know there
was talk of money coming from China. Everything he has
done there with the pitch at the Palace event, clearly
there are revenue streams. He's not on his Uppers, But
I think Charles wants him out of that big house.

(01:33:09):
He ain't going to be invited for Christmas ever. Again,
you're not going to see him on the balcony, and
I think they're hurting him where it hurts the most,
the whole kind of reputation. He thrives on this pomp
and ceremony and that ain't ever happening again.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Wow, okay, right, interesting to see how that plays out.

Speaker 22 (01:33:25):
Then.

Speaker 5 (01:33:25):
Now, now what happened to Higgsith's playing? Do we know
how it got the crack?

Speaker 9 (01:33:29):
We don't know how it got the crack, but it
led to depressurization in the cabin very very quickly. So
it was a military version of the Boeing seven five
seven on his way back from a NATO meeting in Belgium,
and we're now learning that he had to land very
very quickly in England at an RAF base, RAF Mildenhall.
Now I've been there. It's pretty much an American air base.
We've filmed in there before, so in name only is

(01:33:52):
it really ORAF. It's mostly American air personnel. So he's
with his own people, treated very very well. And then
he took the social media very quickly to say journey
back underway.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
Thank god.

Speaker 9 (01:34:02):
So no damage done and his own people patched up.
He's playing very very quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
Oh that's very good news. And what's going over the
RSH presidential election?

Speaker 9 (01:34:11):
Yes, so I'm in Ireland at the moment, I mean Cork.
We're filming my TV show Roundtable using the presidential election
as a peg to look at lots of different aspects
of Irish life at the moment and how people are feeling.
So next Friday there will be a presidential election. Michael
D Higgins is stepping aside after fourteen years, very popular,
charismatic and respected man. However, the candidates to replace him,

(01:34:35):
there are two left in the race still, Catherine Connolly
who's a very left wing independent lady Heather Humphreys, who're
more of a conservative really from one of the main
establishment parties.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
They're on the ballot.

Speaker 9 (01:34:47):
They're the only two candidates still in the race. The
problem is the ballot paper was printed weeks ago and
a Gaelic football manager from Dublin called Jim Gavin, who
was in the race has pulled out over a pretty
landlord tenant scandal from twenty years ago. His name is
still on the ballot paper, and a lot of people
are so disillusioned with politics, pollutions and life in general

(01:35:10):
and cost of living. The whisper is an awful lood
of Irish people are going to spoil their ballot and
vote for Jim Gavin. So we have a situation where
a guy who's not actually running for president anymore by
next Friday night could be president. A constitutional crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
What did they do then, Yeah, well let's find out.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
I suppose it's the thought there. Inda, Thanks very much,
look after yourself, mate, that's into Brady UK corresponded. By
the way, if you're going to watch the netball, look
at Grace Wick's wrist. I didn't realize this, but it
sounds like she's been wearing a band that has the
initials in tea on it and she will be wearing
that that respend with the initials in tea on it

(01:35:49):
for the games. And what does that stand for? Noline toto,
good honor. I'm liking Grace even more than I already
liked Grace. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
It's the Heather Tipsy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zeb Heather It.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
Seems Mayor Craig Jepson is doing a Donald Trump and
can't except he's lost by three votes. That's from being well,
you know what, I don't actually know what this is about,
but maybe maybe Ben's right, maybe that's what it's about.
If you haven't caught up on this, there was supposed
to be a meeting there was going to be held.
This is up North kui Kipeer District. They had the

(01:36:27):
local elections at the weekend. Obviously the council elections around
the country is so the outgoing Mayor Craig Gipson called
a meeting for five point thirty this evening and it's
an emergency meeting. Emergency meeting unprecedented by the council, but
the Chief Executive gave it the old go ahead and
so they were going.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
And no one knows exactly what it's about, but the
suggestion is that he was going to suggest that the
local election had been rigged. He said. The emergency meeting
seeks approval for a formal complaint into the conduct of
the twenty twenty five Kipera District Council local government election
and the twenty twenty five Northland regional Council marta constituency referendum,

(01:37:03):
and he was going to ask the Department of Internal
Affairs to investigate anyway. So I was waiting for the
outcome of this thing. But then it turns out heard
in the six thirty bulletin they adjourned it and I
was a member of the public, Adam. But I don't
know if you've noticed this, but up there there's a
lot of them. There's a lot of shouting and quite
wild behavior that happens to this council and the public
gets involved. It's quite it's democracy is alive there anyway.

(01:37:26):
So they're having the meeting at nine tomorrow, so we're
gonna have to wait until nine tomorrow to find out
what's up. But you can't just point out to you, Jesu,
it's only been five days since the local council election.
Has already had one guy down south pulling out. Now
this happening up north, so it's all a bit it's
all a bit.

Speaker 31 (01:37:41):
Wild and a bad reputation by Joan Jett and the
Black Arts to play us out tonight because they will
be coming to New Zealand. Iggy Pop, Jon JiTT and
the Black Hearts, the Hoodoo Gurus and local guys The
Canary Boys Z will be the lineup of the twenty
twenty six Greenstone Summer Concert Tour. So there's going to
be three shows top or Amphitheater on the twenty fourth

(01:38:01):
of January. I will say again, that's an amazing venue
if you can get to that one Sheriff Block Venue
and Feats Younger on the twenty sixth, and one of
the three parks out there we're in you're on the
thirty first.

Speaker 15 (01:38:09):
They're probably great too. I've just never been to either
of them. That's what you got.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Did you know ants that Yoda was supposed to be blue?

Speaker 15 (01:38:16):
There you go. Can you imagine a blue Yoda?

Speaker 8 (01:38:19):
I actually kind of can.

Speaker 15 (01:38:19):
I don't think it mattered that much.

Speaker 31 (01:38:21):
You wouldn't change it now, But like, yeah, I think
Yoda's what color now, he's like a sort of pale green.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
So in various.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
Depictions, because there's archival stuff that's come out, in various depictions,
he's either pale skinned or pink or blue. But the blue,
like there were books, there were graphic novels that were
published even two months after the film was released, and
he was still blue, suggesting that they switched it from
blue to green for the film at the very last minute.

Speaker 15 (01:38:46):
Yeah, you can read those graphic novels today.

Speaker 31 (01:38:48):
They've been reprinted a lot, and there are lots of
very very funny things like daath Vader's arm is a
weird color as well, and you've got.

Speaker 15 (01:38:54):
A human Jabba the Hut in it, and stuff like. Yeah,
George Lucas just kind of made it up as he went.

Speaker 18 (01:38:58):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Now, look it's iconic. Thank you for that answer. Okay,
here you go. Enjoy it. What's it? Junjet?

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
Enjoy your jun Jet? See tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
So what.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Everywhere?

Speaker 19 (01:39:17):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Repetation the Low Generation.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
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