Full Show Podcast: 17 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupercy on Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up. Ali Williams on
the Stadium and the Halipad and just the tick infometrics
on whether we should be worried about inflation ticking up again.
We've got the Greens on whether that's sad that fewer
of us care about climate change now and Lawyer Liam
here on whether the UK ruling on the definition of
a woman will affect us. Heather dull Well, as you know,

(00:38):
they say God loves a trier, and so I'm guessing
that today God loves the Labor Party bookers. Boy, are
they trying to talk up the chance of a snap election? Yes,
a snap election. They say they are ready to go
if there is a snap election. They've called the Electoral
Commission and the mass the Electoral Commission how long it
would take from the point of calling an election to

(00:58):
actually holding an election, And it's ten weeks apparently, And
they've slipped that info to the media and the media
have run it. Labor is ready for a snap election. Now.
To be fair to Labor, they didn't start this. New
Zealand First, who actually part of the coalition, started this
because they let it be known earlier this week that
they are preparing for a snap election too, and are

(01:19):
preparing for one to be held possibly this year, which
would mean that it would be held a year earlier.
But I mean, the thing about it is that you
expect this kind of nonsense from New Zealand First because
they tried the same thing on when they predicted a
snap election when Jason Ardern was in power. This game,
the reason I'm drawing this to you attention is just
to point out this game is boring. I don't think
there's going to be a snap election. Do you think

(01:40):
there's going to be a snap election? No, neither do.
I mean, these guys know full well that the chances
of a snap election are not totally zero, but they're
pretty close to that, especially in the first term of
a government right because no party in that coalition will
be stupid enough to think that if they force a
snap election they can be sure that they're going to
be back in government afterwards. Because voters do not like instability.

(02:01):
Voters do not like Shenanigans. And if you are the
party that causes instability in Shenanigans, you are not going
to be rewarded with it, are you. Now. Obviously why
they're doing this, though, is because they're trying to create
a self fulfilling prophecy. If they talk about a snap
election long enough, maybe there will be a snap election,
or at the very least they could convince voters that
things really are that bad between David and Winston and Chris.

(02:23):
But again, whatever the reasons, this is a really boring
game to play. When people predicted that Winston would break
up his coalition with Jacinda, it didn't happen. When Winston
was out of government after COVID and predicted a snap
election would happen in twenty twenty three, it didn't happen.
And chances are that as ready as labor may be,
labor can predict a snap election till they're blue in
the face, it probably won't happen.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Heather Dupers Alm nine two.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Nine two is the text number. Now. The owners of
Auckland FC have launched a website showing their plans for
a stadium at Western Springs. They want to build a
fifteen thousand seat arena. Trouble is, of course Auckland Council
is already considering two rival bids. But these guys must
there will be zero cost to the rate payer. We've
got three hundred million dollars in private funding already secured. Now,
Ali Williams, who's an owner obviously of Auckland f C,

(03:07):
is part of the team. Hey Ali, hello, well thank you.
You're a sucker for punishment, aren't you.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I am someone say I'm a walking dartboard at the moment,
live once, right.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Okay, we're going to deal with your punishment in order.
So let's deal with the stadium. Can you assure rate
payers not a center right totally funded by other people?
Who's funding it?

Speaker 6 (03:29):
The good people? And Anna and Bill currently and then
let's see where if we need or require more.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Than Anna as and your wife and Bills and Bill Foley.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Correct, yes, yeah, yes, I think I think if you
break these things down, why do they do things like this?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
I think it comes from passion And if.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
You look at you know, the two of them, along
with the others that.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Jumped into Auckland f C. It stemmed from passion. It does.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
And when you have the ability to affect something. Then
that's where that passion takes over. And the two two
of them are very passionate about sport and and about
the greater elements that they can they can make change.
And then so they commit to something like this and
they see the opportunities. And I suppose you mix that
in with meaving a very passionate Aucklander and believing that

(04:16):
the city and knowing that the city is the greatest
city in the world, traveled around the world a lot,
and on that sporting front, you see that there's a
massive opportunity for this, right there's a massive opportunity for
Aucklanders to have an intimate and boutique type of stadium
that offers that family friendly vibe that office.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Don't we have so many like don't we have too
many stadia in the city already?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (04:38):
No, we have Eden Park, which KATUS for forty five,
plus we have Mount smart Go Media that KATUS for
twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
But do we have that North Harbor?

Speaker 6 (04:48):
We have North Harbor, but I don't know what that
KATUS for at the moment in four thousand, because I
think they took a few seats away.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
And then we've got a massive cricket ground somewhere as correct.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
But you've got to remember one hundred percent. But you've
got to remember that the is not about just the
product on the field.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
It's about the vibe outside.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
The field, around the field. It's about families feeling comfortable.
It's about people being passionate. It's about a community, bringing
communities together, So having a precinct that ties people together
so that the ninety minutes that you see on the
field is one elementent, but it's how you get there.
It's the food and beverage. It's the noise, it's the entertainment,
it's the lights, it's all that sort of stuff. And

(05:26):
if you look at Western Springs where it is now
which we're we're gone out there called Auckland Arena. You've
got the zoo, you've got Motat. The zoo gets a
million people through. You've got Motat that gets two hundred
and fifty. It is already part of our community.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
And it's already like a precincts already.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
And we're saying, well, let's put sport in there as well,
with high performance, with offices and stuff like that. This
create a vibe, let's create paddle courts, eight paddle courts,
basketball courts is a massive shortage of basketball courts.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Why not go like why bother going through all the
kafuffle with the council.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
I don't know why are we bothered doing a lot
of stuff? But I think it comes back down to
why are we doing this white.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
High a gigantic piece of land and put a stadium
on there and don't ask permission.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Because it doesn't work. Oh, it doesn't work stadiums So
unless the council, which we've all gone through that process,
they don't work. They don't make money. We've got to
be very clear on that. They don't actually make money.
It's the whole precinct that we believe can make can
be sustainable. Okay, And that's when you sit there football team.
Do you think that makes money?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Does it not? Lost money on that?

Speaker 5 (06:27):
No way does it make money.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
We're having fun, aren't you?

Speaker 6 (06:29):
One hundred percent? But what are we doing for the community.
We've had over two hundred and twenty thousand people through
the gate. We believe in Anna and Bill. They believe
they're putting a positive influence on people and giving back,
and I think that's pretty admirable. I'm just the lucky
person that's probably the taller one.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Out of the the trophy wife forgets to go.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I am the trophy one. I do value myself as
the best plus one in the game. But look, I
just think.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
We're very, very lucky as a city to have these
people that actually want to influence. And I think you'll
see that. You know it is there's a lot of
good intentions behind it, and this city needs a stadium
on that. It needs something like this to really elevate us.
I mean, some of the sports people we create, it's unbelievable.
And if you look at it, this is not just
for football. This is for all codes, you know, from

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rugby all the way through the league or whatever. Whoever
wants to play out a fifteen thousand seats stadium, that's it.
And then you look at the other side. It's also
part of entertainment. Western Springs is known for its concerts.
You know, I went to Michael Jackson way back. You know,
we can still do that forty thousand people at Western Springs,
which will be unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
If you're going to cut the lunch of some people, aren't.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
You If you do this, what lunch we can't.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Oh, you know, like because you know, I mean, I
feel like I feel like Eden Park might be a
bit gust if you started.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
You know, if you look at neck and you see
what Nick Saorughton has done with it.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Party, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
I mean, he has promoted this city like no one else.
He's told you what an asset we have and he's working.
I've communicated with on that and you know, if you
look at it, he sits here and he goes, look,
you support the smaller numbers on sports and we go
from there.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
They've big gone to him. Listen, question the other thing
that you're taking a hiding on is is.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
That all about?

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Is that all about the good thing we're doing and
we want to sort of half half? Or shall we
should we do the other thing? What we're actually trying
to get is we're actually trying to see and hope
that the people of Auckland will get behind this yes
and have some voice.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I feel like it's your stadium fatigue. Ali, don't you think,
well yes, no, yes, no, stadium fatigue. The pictures I
hit the website, I thought, geez that.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
We want people to hit the website Auckland Arena dot
com and you.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Know, but now listen to tell me about this halipad,
right are you? I had had a look at the submissions,
right you had like ninety one percent post? Are you
just depressed at the number of people who want to
say no to something like this?

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Look, we're going through a process with counsel. Yeah, that's simple.
And if you know the process, lets people have this, say,
let them have.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
This say, we're not going to take that away.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
But as I say, we're just going through the process
and we were in the hands of the council. So
thank you on that question, or you can move to
someone else if you.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Really want to.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
We'll leave it there. Ellie listener, I really appreciate your time.
Thank you so much to Tally Williams, co owner of
Auckland FC and obviously very passionate about that arena at
Weston Spring sixteen.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Past four, it's the Heather Duper See Alan Drive Full
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Speaker 3 (09:31):
Z Darcy water Graves sports talk hosters with me.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Now, hey, dark, hey headipus.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Do we need another stadium? What do you think? Having
listened to Ali Williams, well he's.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
Going to pay for it, I know.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I mean that's a good deal, isn't it. Like who
else is going to pay in the stadium?

Speaker 8 (09:47):
How much it'll get used doesn't matter if someone else
is following the bill, let him go.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
Well I know that the Western Springs the Speedway. People
are filthy on it, but it's historical things.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
But it's really the lunch. The lunch, and it's going
to cut is not so much eaton parks. It's actually
Mount Smart Stadium, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (10:06):
But Mount Smart Stadium, with all due respect, is in
the middle of an industrial hellscape and it's falling apart. Yeah,
it needs a whole lot of investment, and it's not
an Again, I think it means extend. I don't think
it'll cut the lunch too much of go Media Stadium
because it's not a big stadium.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
They're putting up it.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Well, it's what was it? It was two thousand, was
five fifteen thousand capacity? What's Mount.

Speaker 10 (10:31):
Ah?

Speaker 8 (10:32):
Yeah, so maybe they expand it. I'm not sure where
it sits, but I think for a trophy, as he said,
he's a very good spokesperson.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Is how often is Mount Smart actually full full full,
full capacity. Would you not be better off having last year?

Speaker 8 (10:48):
It worked for the Warriors, Yeah, it was only what
you know, half there was only.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Would you be better off having a fifteen thousand seater
stadium always full than Mount Smart which is some of
the time full. The question is just whether the punters
who like the rugby league would want to go to
Western Springs. I imagine it would be actually fine. It's
really easy to get to. It's on a motorway, yes.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
But also parking is at a premium. It's not the
easiest place to exit. You to take public transport to
fancy digging in another hole from the rail link.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean the train that's going around around Auckland, the
one that we're building.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
A tunnel and it'll pop up somering.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Hey, why is the Wellington Phoenix women's coach acted because.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Two year contract?

Speaker 8 (11:32):
In the contract?

Speaker 11 (11:33):
Did he have anything?

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Did he get into any finals?

Speaker 10 (11:35):
No?

Speaker 8 (11:37):
I think the next question is how does John Carlo
for the color? John color the color that's the race
car driver. I keeps saying this Italiana. He's the coach.
He said a horrible year and his contract is up
at the end of this year as well. Did they
chop the both of them. I wouldn't like to see that.
I think he's a really good coach. He's just had

(11:59):
a dark old.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
What's your problem with calling Rico yuani sabbatical a sabbatical?

Speaker 8 (12:03):
It's not a sabbatical.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well what is it?

Speaker 8 (12:05):
He's on loan?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Oh well, but tell me what your problem with it is?

Speaker 8 (12:11):
Well, what's a sabbatical?

Speaker 5 (12:12):
What is a sabbata?

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Pphabetic was a rest from your workplace. It's a rest
from what you do. It's too to travel to broaden
your horizon.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Is he going to do? Yeah, but that's he's just
traveling in the UK.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
But that's he's going over there to play rugby.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
It's not a sabbatical.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
He's doing the same filming a pedant.

Speaker 8 (12:30):
No, No, he's doing the same thing. What I should say,
guess what? I only going to pay me a whole
lod of money to go and play and lens to
so I'm going leave, you know what to do?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
It would be nice? Would you want us to be
more honest? Well, letting go? He's not letting Rico go
make some dollars so he can keep playing here for cheap.

Speaker 8 (12:50):
Well, I don't know if he will. He goes away
and he comes back. He's a whole of midfielder's coming out.
I does he even get his place. It's a big punt.
But I'm just saying it's not a rest You're not
changing anything. You're just moving your same job to the
other side of the world.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
You're still gonna get smashed. You're chasing the dollars why.

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Rugby plays, So you're not resting anything. You're just getting
beat and you'll get beat up further over there.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Thank you, Dussy Dusty Water.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
I said enough, Shall I go now?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yep, Okay, He's gonna be back at seven to say
some more for twenty three.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
That'd be hither. The only lunch it's gonna cut is
whatever the music events Spark Arena gets or whatever they're
calling it nowadays. It's called spark Arena actually, But the
difference between I'll tell you what the difference between spa
I think if you haven't go and have a look
at the website, go and have a look at the website.
And now I feel like I've got to tell you
what the website is called, so you can go have
a look at it. Let me find it for you.
Older Auckland Arena dot com. Have a look at Auckland

(13:55):
Arena dot com and you'll see it's very like the
whole design looks a lot like Mount Sma. So it's
more going to cut Mount Smart's lunch than it is
going to cut Sparkarna's lunch because Sparkarin is still covered
and this one isn't anyway, listen, So apparently we're shifting
away from buying utes now. Toyotha reckons that utes are
kind of going off the boil with us, and what
we're into nowadays more is like a RAV four, and

(14:16):
they're basing this on the fact so like lower emissions
SUVs and there basing this on the fact that the
Rav four has. This happens very rarely that a ute
isn't the number one bought vehicle in the country, but
in the first quarter of this year it was a
Rav four and then it was followed by a couple
of utes and Toyosha reckons. What is going on here
is that there is a growing awareness among key we

(14:37):
drivers of the benefits of fuel efficiency, lower emissions, and
cost savings at the pump. Is it Are we moving
away from the utes? Because I don't know about you,
but I'm moving right into the utes. Like I cannot
believe that I've gone this far in my life and
I haven't owned the ute. What was I doing with
my life? I'm driving a ute at the moment. It's
straight up, I'm going to be completely honest with you.
BYD gave me a ute to drive. That BYD it

(15:00):
spends a bit of money on advertising on the show.
And they said you want to drive a ute? And
I was like, be rude not to And so I said, well,
they said would you like to drive a car? And
I said, give me the ute. That's actually how the
conversation went. And so they said, okay, yep, cool. So
they brought it over on a ship from China. Yep.
Really caring about the low emissions at the moment, aren't I?
And so anyway, this thing is amazing. How did I

(15:21):
go this long without a ute? Why are you not
driving a ute? Let me tell you about the benefits
of a ute. So I have an SUV when I
have both baby car seats in the back. We both
parents have our knees against the dashboard and a ute.
Oh no, the leak room. You wouldn't believe it. I
could probably sit like you're gonna have someone sitting on
my lap. We'd have that much that's that much room
in the cab of a ute. And the boot space

(15:42):
and suv completely overrated. You think you get a lot
of stuff in the boot, No way, you don't. You
get like two things and then got to shut the door.
Loa it on that tray space and a ute. Also listen,
somebody said to me, and I don't know if this
is true, but if you drive a ute you can
park it in loading zones and people think you're a
trade and you never get a ticket. Is that true,
because if it is, I'm going to try it on

(16:03):
nine two ninety two, Thanks very much.

Speaker 7 (16:05):
News is next time?

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Ah this lean target.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
The news talks. That'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Whether it's a load of rubbish. The new utes aren't
being bought because at the moment, the building industry is crap.
So that's probably why the raffle at the moment is
in the lead. And apparently the raffle is being brought
to something like a fleet vehicle at the moment, So
that'll explain that as well. Hither a ute and a
van are a must. And it's absolutely true that you
can park in the loading zone. What you need is
a high visit vest hanging on your seat. Cheers Dave.

(16:50):
So there's a tip. Hither you can park any vehicle
in the loading zone by simply putting your hazard lights on.
And Ants was telling me that Paris was a Paris
Hilton nance.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
This was a story that went around the school yard
when I was a teenager, is that Paris Hilton couldn't
find a car park. So what she did was put
her hazard lights on and then put the hood of
her car up so it looked like there was something
wrong with the car, and then just went and went
shopping or something. I had a party, maybe defaming her
because it was school yard.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yet Yeah, but then cat, but but I mean then
cat like, that's I'm not saying you should do this.
I'm just saying that this saying that it happened one
time to Paris Hilton and it's not going to drain
your battery and it'll be an interesting social experiment. Hither,
it's totally okay with the ute parking loading zone since
our moronic Wellington City Council reduced the car parks. Whenever

(17:33):
I have to go into a Welling car park, welling
park on loading zones in my Navara do it all
the time. Never had a ticket yet have a great Easter,
Thank you, Rick Well. If Rex never had a ticket,
then maybe the rest of us will be okay. Well
I might, I don't know how much. I don't know
how much buid wants me to start doing tests like
this with the utes, so I don't know if I will.
But anyway, maybe somebody can and can let us know.
I don't want to get them in trouble because I'm
happy to get in trouble. Moving on swiftly. Inflation is

(17:56):
up a little bit now. I'm not particularly worried about
this because it's only ticked up to It was expected
to come in at two point four, came in at
two point five. It's still in the one to three
percent band that the Reserve Bank is supposed to keep
it in and so it doesn't feel like it's anything
to be particularly worried about. I guess the trend is
the thing. We can have a chat to Gareth Kennan
of Infirmetrics about that after five o'clock. The largest contributor, incidentally,

(18:17):
is rent, which went up three point seven percent. While
that doesn't seem like a lot, it actually accounts for
a lot of the inflation. He'll run us through that
when he's with us. It's twenty two away from five.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's the world wires on youth talks, it'd be drive now.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
There has been a sell off on Wall Street after
some grim words from Federal Reserve chaired Jeromee Powell. Powell
said in a very polite and professional way that President
Trump's tariffs could create a little bit of an economic messine,
so there's going to be a little bit of a
job for the Fed to clean up.

Speaker 12 (18:44):
Tariffs are highly like feature generated at least a temporary
rise in inflation. The inflationary effects could also be more persistent.
Our obligation is to keep longer term inflation expectations well
anchored and to make certain that a one time increase
in the price level does not become an ongoing inflection problem.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Now over the ditch. Commentators are calling the first election
debate or it's actually the second election debate between Albo
and Peter Dutton, and a draw albow got caught out
on the issue of negative gearing changes.

Speaker 13 (19:12):
Anthony, your government is modeled negative gearing changes NCGT change.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
The Treasurer has done that. That's not right.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Was it modeled?

Speaker 11 (19:19):
It certainly wasn't commissioned by.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
Us to do so.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
It was modeled by the government.

Speaker 13 (19:24):
It's publicly available that this Prime Minister has a problem
with the.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
True Murriold's on that. Shortly, and finally, the argument is
kicked off in Romania about how many bears are in
the country. So a recent study of DNA samples reckons
that there are probably about thirteen thousand brown bears in Romania.
Now that is five thousand more than they thought that
there were. The government has argued that this means it
can safely start culling the bears so they don't attack people.

(19:47):
But then the environmentalists are unhappy about this. They dispute
the accuracy of the new study and they only want
the government to kill specific bear rather problem bears.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
With us out of Australia's Murriolds Ozzie correspondent.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Heymus afternoon, do you have it?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Would you call it a draw?

Speaker 14 (20:09):
Look?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I could earn his stomach the first half of it.
I turned off. I mean, please, you know, it's like please.

Speaker 9 (20:15):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I couldn't bear it. I mean, neither stuffed up, neither
was able to dominate the rival plans for fixing the
housing crisis. I mean, cost of living is still the
number one issue here. And these rival plans for fixing housing,
trying to help young people into their first home, labor
offering low deposits and building brand new homes that will
be reserved for first home buyers. The opposition policy to

(20:39):
allow young people to access the superannuation to buy a home.
Peter Dutton opened and closed by using the liner you're
better off now than you were three years ago. The
arts is probably no and albanize, he said. In times
of strive, trust the mob you've got rather than the
clowns on the other side. You get this sense that
Peter Dutton in the Opposition really haven't either. They haven't

(21:01):
hit first gear a top gear yet, or they've got
nothing else to give because the whole opposition campaign has
really been a bit haphazard, a lack of any policy detail.
You've got big question marks they have for Peter Dutton
in terms. Well, he admitted in the debate last night
he got it wrong by verbaling the Indonesian president about
these You know, the Russian planes may be based in Papua,

(21:25):
and you know you had the policy flip flop on,
you know, working from home and sacking public servants. You
just get the sense that people are saying, you know what,
we are in trouble times and the other mob really
doesn't look as though it's ready to govern. It's I
mean the countdowns on May the third is the election
and the opposition is running out of time to try
and get a bit of momentum.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
How much is ORCS going to cost?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh god knows. I mean it was three hundred and
seventy eight billion dollars that when it was signed. Now
we're already at four hundred billion in counting. And it's
a very interesting study here. I mean, these are submarines.
The first is not supposed to get here until in
the twenty thirties, the last of them not till the
twenty sixties, and we're already spending money hand over. If
there's so much money. There's been a study out by

(22:10):
a military think tank over here that says, basically, what's
happening the huge spend on these nuclear submarines that are
yet to be designed, never mind built and then delivered.
We haven't got the crews for the existing submarines. We've
gotten our old school. The whole orchestra budget for submarines
is distorting the rest of the defense spend. Donald Trump's

(22:33):
there in Washington demanding allies up there spending on defense.
Australia is shoveling money across to the United States for
these submarines. And what that's doing, according to this defense
think tank, it is taking capacity away from arguably the
strike arm of what Australia's got to offer, and that's
the air force. All sorts of aerial ordinance is it's

(22:53):
being invented. Every year, there's something new to spend money on.
Drones are the big thing. Of course, we're looking at
that Europe right now, aren't we. And so the argument
is are we spending two much the Greens over here
for the election campaign either or saying bloody no, we're not.
We should can to aucas now it's just a waste
of money. We may never ever see a benefit.

Speaker 14 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Interesting, Hey, thanks very much, maus really appreciate. As Murray
Old's Australia corresponds, Listen, it's not every day that I
think that Horney Hardewader deserves praise, but today is the
day that I think he deserves praise because Horney Hart
Awedter has done something that nobody else up to now
has done, and he's gone and told off this clown
who who thought he was clever to be hassling Casey Costello. Now,

(23:35):
if you haven't caught up on this, I'll give you.
I'll give you a rundown on this before the end
of the hours so that you can kind of form
your own opinion on it. But for now, just know
that that Honey Hadwater is the unlikely hero in the story.
We'll get back to it. Seventeen away from five Politics.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
With Centrics Credit check your customers and get payments certainty r.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's fourteen away from five and Thomas Coglan, the Herald's
political editors with us a Thomas. So, Labour's done what
they should have done yesterday and they finally shot down
this ridiculous idea from the Marti Party.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Year.

Speaker 13 (24:02):
Yes they have this so yeah, you recall yesterday there
was the speaking the Marti Party has a policy of
giving the superannuation payment to maori seven to ten years
earlier to account for the fact that mary life expectancy
is about seven years less than everyone else. Labor wasn't
rolling it out yesterday. They've they've subsequently done so today

(24:22):
and I mean, yeah, like we said yesterday, Labor was
never going to agree to this policy that it's about
four billion dollars a year. Brad Olsen reckins, there was
no chance in hell that that was ever going to happen.
But for whatever reason yesterday Labor wasn't ruling it out.
And I think they've seen the reaction to the policy
and subsequently done so today. But I think it probably
bodes ill for the next few few, well a couple

(24:45):
of years leading up to the election, that they're not
able to move fast on stuff like this. They really
need to get their get their act together and just
sort of kill these these sort of negative policies faster Thomas.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Isn't it quite simple like that their default default position
on anything that comes from the mar Party should be
to poop poo it, Because when was the last time
you heard an idea from the Maru Party there was
a good idea?

Speaker 13 (25:06):
I mean, yeah, gosh, you got me straight scratchical head there.
I mean the last one I was, I was, I
think you you did on the show last year are
the two hundred billion dollar capital gains tax over six years.
It's stuff like that that the Maori Party's weakness is
really in that policy area. I mean, on the on
the election campaign, taker Toperis was talking about having separate
Maori trade deals and you know how that would work?

(25:29):
Would you have separate border agents customs agents for goods
that were being imported and exported by Marii. It's just
that the policy space is really not And then if
you've got this Treaty Commissioner idea, which even the Malori
Party doesn't seem seem to be on the same.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Page, soon maybe the Labor Party just needs to adopt
a line like, look, the Maru Party means well, but
probably that's not how it's going to work, and then
stick to something like that just like gently shoot it
down right instead of even being seen to entertain it.

Speaker 13 (25:55):
I mean the gently you've hit upon the gently issue
as the as the issue of long current polling, Like,
Labor's looking pretty competitive for twenty twenty six and obviously
that the key component of that though is the Malori
Party and the Marketi Party is going to be in
Parliament in twenty twenty six. They're going to win a
lot of those Maori seats. Yeah, And so there's really
no there's no, there's no question about it. If laborants

(26:17):
to form a government, they have to have a good
relationship with the Maori Party, and you've seen them in
the House. They can get pretty volatile and obviously the
President John tammahead a good relationship with Willie Jackson, but
a lot of beef with the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
What do you make of this business, Labor talking up
the chances of a snap election Nonsense, isn't it?

Speaker 14 (26:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (26:32):
I think it's I think it's. I mean, I don't
begrudge Kieran McInulty for for for talking it up. You've
got to, you know, you've got to stir the pot
a wee bit and certainly certainly at the moment. Whenever
you have a wee bit of a bust up occurring
within the coalition, and it happens from time to time,
Labour's got to get in there and fan the flames
a little bit. That's what an opposition does. But I

(26:54):
don't I don't think it is likely that was going
to see a snap election. Happy to have your go
on my face in a few months time for it occurs,
but it doesn't sound like it's happening, Noah.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I don't think so. Okay, now, So, so, Nicola Willis
is still having a crack at the Reserve Bank, is she?

Speaker 13 (27:07):
Yeah, she is so so she came out today and
obviously you had on your show yesterday trying to get
to the bottom of this two hundred billion dollar budget
for twenty twenty five. Now, the Reserve Bank got to
me yesterday evening and said that the two hundred billion
dollars that is budgeted for this year that is actually
then spending or being forecast to spend fifty million dollars

(27:28):
that they had saved over the last couple of years
five years now. Obviously, Nicola Willis would probably have preferred
them if they'd saved that fifty million dollars to actually
return it to the government so that we don't have
to borrow it in the first place, but instead the
Reserve Bank plans to spend it.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
How do you just find fifty million dollars worth of
stuff to spend money on?

Speaker 7 (27:46):
That is a very good question.

Speaker 13 (27:48):
It looks like it has gone to a bit of
a staff higher up, and yeah, I mean it's it
is it is.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Well, no wonder they needed to increase their budget, because
it's not like your higher staff for one year, is it.
If you blow for million on staff this year, you're
going to need the same amount of staff next year.

Speaker 13 (28:04):
And yes, Bromium precisely. And to put that in perspective,
in twenty nineteen, the last year of the Bill English
Funding Agreement, fifty million dollars was enough for the whole
Reserve Bank's budget that they used to run the whole bank.
And now it's just a sort of bolt on the site.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's a lot of money. Thomas, jeez, I'll tell you, okay, mate, listen,
thank you very much. You go and have yourself a
lovely Easter holiday. That's Thomas Colin, The Herald's Political Leeddits.
We will get back to Horney. How to we are
ten away from five putting the.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 15 (28:36):
So for the first time a health minister's put a
price on renewing the sector's facilities, twenty billion dollars as
your built, Health Minister Simeon Brown with us.

Speaker 16 (28:43):
And there's been decades of under investment in our health infrastructure,
particularly in our regional hospitals, and so we've put together
a long term plan to look at what investments needed
over that time, Prame and also engage with the private sector.

Speaker 15 (28:54):
Work us through the logistics of that. I'm an equity fund.
You come to meet for some money, I say, I've
got it. What do I get for investing in the
health sector.

Speaker 17 (29:01):
Well, if there's a.

Speaker 16 (29:01):
Range of different funding and financing models. Obviously there's things
like public private partnerships, there could be long term lease arrangements,
there could be a whole range of different funding and
financing options on the table.

Speaker 15 (29:11):
Back Tuesday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Driver of the LAE News talk zb.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Are we doing Easter this year? Because I just had
to look at the n Z. I mean obviously sorry
to the rest of the country. But all I care
about is the roads in Auckland because I live in Auckland.
So I'm thinking, like, what's the traffic, like, how to
look at the cameras on the n ZTA. Looks fine,
looks like it doesn't It's not even as busy as
you standard Friday, which is what this counts as. Today
is like normal Fridays are busier than Easter Thursday, by

(29:38):
the looks of things. So it looks to me like
we've all listened to the met service and freaked out
and decided we're not going to go away for the weekend.
So is that what we're doing. I don't know about you,
but I'm did I have I told you that I'm
driving a you to the moment. I'm taking that puppy out.
I'm taking her out for the weekend. I don't care
if it's raining or snowing. I don't care if it's
a bloody cyclone. We're going to go out in the

(29:59):
U We're going to take it for drive. But it
would appear that everybody's been talked out at the holiday,
isn't it, and we're all staying put for the most part,
it's five away from five now how to wear it?
So the reason I think Corner how to Wedder deserves
praises because he's told this chap off. This chap's name
is Peter Hudawai Seeger. He was on the Mardi Party's
list for twenty twenty three. I don't know if you're
aware of it, but they had some interesting characters on
that list, and Pee is one of them. So Peter

(30:22):
rocks up at the Wellsford Food Court on Tuesday and
lo and behold if all of Peter's Christmas is having
come at once. But there is Casey Costello, the she
devil herself to pere obviously, I mean for most of us,
most of us we just look at her and be like,
oh yep, cabinet minister. He's like evil. So he goes
I don't I think he's there for sushi. I don't know.
She hasn't been he hasn't been clear about what she's eating,

(30:45):
but she's trying to have her dinner. And he goes
up to her and starts giving her a hard time
and says, now you're gonna get it from him verbally,
and she says at some stage look, can you just
buger off? You're being a pain in the arse. And
he's having a crack at her for you know, selling
out mar or whatever whatever whatever has grievances, and she says,
I'm going to call the cops, and appears to call

(31:05):
the cops, and he heads off and buys himself some sushi,
and then he comes back because he hasn't had enough
of her, and he keeps on hassling her some more.
Now this clown actually then go The reason we know
about it is not because Casey has a winge in
public about what's happened. It's because Peter thinks what he's
done is awesome, and he goes on his Facebook page
and tells us all about it, and he's super proud

(31:27):
of himself for what he's done, and apparently nobody thinks.
I kind of looked at this and thought, no, I'm
interested to see whether this action becomes a media story,
because do we care about this? For various reasons, I
didn't think it was going to be a media story.
Sure enough, nobody really reported on it, because apparently normal
now that we has allow cabinet ministers. But then Hornet,

(31:48):
Hornet pipes up good on him. He says, it's done
a Facebook comment to Petty just to put this bloke
in his place. He says, I'm not the biggest fan
of Casey Costello, but I don't like you pushing yourself
into a woman's space and don't like you telling her
she's gonna get it. Pat yourself on the back if
you think that makes you a big man, but don't
try that on me or more my wife. Now look
rich with irony because we know what Horne has been

(32:10):
up to in the past. But quite like the fact
that he's told Peter off, and maybe Peter will ever
listen to somebody a little bit older than him and
think about not doing that next time, and not being
proud of being a clown, like there's nothing to be
proud of in that particular instance. And thoughts and prayers
to Casey having to deal with idiots like this. Now,
in the UK there has been a significant ruling on
what a woman is and the UK Supreme Court has
decided that a woman is a woman and a trans

(32:32):
woman is not a woman. For the purposes of this
particular piece of legis. It's very very tightly defined by
the looks of things, A lot of people are going
to be like, oh look you know, and jump on
it and turn this into a culture war thing. Is
it a culture war thing? Is it a very very
specific ruling? Is it going to affect us in New Zealand.
We're going to talk to lawyer Liam here about that,
so after half past five. Also, there are some polling

(32:53):
out that suggests that we don't care about climate change
quite as much as we did just a couple of
years ago. In according to IPSOS twenty three, it was
eighty percent of us who've cared about the impact of
climate change on New Zealand. Now it's down to only
sixty nine percent. We can have a chat to the
Greens about that and see how they feel about that
and why we don't care anymore. News talks, they'd be
Inflation is next?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Does get up a fuffing?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
She said this life.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Forever, so you to get through. Then let's play it over.
We can dance.

Speaker 18 (33:25):
We can dance on nine.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Digging through the spen spence to find the real story.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Sory.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
It's Heather duperc on drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
News talks.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
That'd be a good afternoon. Inflation has ticked up again.
It's coming at two and a half percent in the
first three months of the year. Gareth Kennan is Infametrics
chief forecast to Gareth, Hello, Hi, Heather. Now this is
only marginally higher than what was forecast, right, it was
forecast to coming at two point four. It's coming at
two point five. Is this worth worrying about?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Look, it's just the.

Speaker 19 (34:01):
Sort of general sentiment and direction of travel that we're
a little bit concerned about. At the moment, there were
already expectations that inflation was going to be picking up
through the course of this year to some degree. A
Reserve Bank has I think it peaking at two point
seven percent.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Later this year.

Speaker 19 (34:16):
I guess the issue really is that we've come from
a period of very high inflation over the last few years,
and the Reserve Bank has only just regaining its inflation
fighting credibility. So there'll be, you know, some concerns there that,
you know, if we're too slow off the mark again
or a little bit too relaxed about how inflation is going,
then you know, where do we end up in eighteen
months time.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Although on the other hand, Gareth, the consensus appears to
be growing that what's going on with the tariffs will
drop inflation back down.

Speaker 19 (34:41):
Right, Yeah, Look, it's pretty ambiguous at the moment. I
think the general sentiment, you're right, seems to be pushing
in the direction of a disinflationary pressure. So less inflation
in the system because weaker world growth, less demand means
they'll be sort of more discounting going on and products
available more cheaply. But at the same time, there is
still pockets of the sort of lingering price pressure. Before

(35:03):
the tariffs that were out coming out, there was concerns
about American inflation just holding up a bit more strongly,
and we know there will be some cost pressures that
do rise because of the changing trade situation. So it's mixed,
But you're right, the sentiment is pushing towards maybe a
little less inflation from the tariffs.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
As a result.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
We had am Z yesterday saying that they thought the
OCR which is sitting at three point five at the moment,
is going to bottom out at two point five. Would
you agree with that.

Speaker 19 (35:28):
Our forecast at the moment is for the OCR to
get down to three percent over the next three months,
but we think the Reserve Bank does need to just
sort of take a cautious approach and see how the
data unfolds beyond that as to whether further rate cuts
are possible. If inflation comes in and it's more below
expectation and coming quarters, there will be more room to cut.
But at the moment it is a mixed situation. I

(35:49):
think the reality is the Bank's core mandate is keeping
inflation under control. Yes, we know that prospects around economic
growth are weakening and softening as a result of the
global situation, but that's not their core mandate. It's effectively inflation.

Speaker 10 (36:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Now listen, I'm on the GDP growth. I see that
you guys have gone from forecasting for next year GDP
growth of two point four percent down now to one percent.
That's a reasonably significant reduction. Do you think that this
is I mean, are we now at the point where
Nicola Willis needs to start thinking very carefully in preparing
this budget.

Speaker 19 (36:20):
Well so, certainly on the revenue side of you experiencing
economy that's growing at one percent rather than close to
two and a half percent, that does have implications on
the tax site. I don't know if it's going to
make too much difference on the other side of the equation,
because we know that those that fiscal position is very
tight for the government. They're running a surplus for the
next four a deficit for the next four or five years.
Surplus is nowhere to be seen, and so it's difficult

(36:44):
for them to offer a great deal of support for
the economy. Obviously they've talked a lot about infrastructure. That's great,
but it's also not something that necessarily stimulates a lot
of economic activity, particularly quickly.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Good stuff here, Gareth, thanks so much, appreciate it. Happy Easter.
Gareth Kennan of Informetric's chief forecaster.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
The duplessy ellen KiwiRail.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Has been ordered to pay compensation to fairy passengers after
a bunch of cancelations back in twenty twenty three. Now,
what happened back then was that the company said no
to reimbursing anyone. Now the Commerce Commission has told it
needs to cough up. Adele Wilson is Kirail's chief customer
and growth officer. Hey, Adel, hi here, how are you.
I'm well, thank you. I imagine you want to get the
apology out of the way.

Speaker 17 (37:23):
I certainly do.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (37:26):
Look, we've the incidents in early twenty twenty three precedented
disruption impacted thousands of people and we got it wrong.
And look, I really do just want to unreservedly apologize
to all New Zealanders who were impacted by that disruption,
and more so by our decision to delay compensation at

(37:49):
the time. We know that caused a lot of stress,
and yeah, it's a huge sorry to all of those people.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Okay, so how much do you think you're going to
have to end up paying?

Speaker 17 (38:01):
Look, we don't have a really a view on the
total amount. We so far have contacted over one hundred
and ninety people and have a doubt whether one hundred
and twenty claims to date, and the amount of those
claims has very hugely depending on what people's circumstances were
at the time. So look, there's no cap on it.

(38:24):
We're just taking it as it comes and looking at
each claim, claim by claim.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
What's the highest value you're going to pay out?

Speaker 17 (38:30):
So far, it's Look, it's ranged from claims in the
thousands of dollars down to just people saying, oh, just
the price of my ticket is.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Because it's it's not just the tickets that you're refounding, right,
is it also things like accommodation flights to replace blah
blah blah.

Speaker 17 (38:52):
Yes, yes, exactly. It's the reasonable cost that people incurred
as a result of the disruption, and the unusual thing
about these disruptions, whether it was rolling and then as
we were trying to catch up the schedule, we had
another event and so things overlapped and people who'd been rebooked,

(39:13):
unfortunately some of them were delayed again. So there are
some high costs that we're looking at that people incurred.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, and Adele, are you planning to change the way
that you do this in the future, like no repeat
of the same type of thing.

Speaker 17 (39:26):
Absolutely, So we've made several changes. The big change we've
made is to our rules. What we used to do
with mechanical events is we waited until the investigation was
finished to see whether the event was inside our control
or outside our control. And what that meant is people
have had to wait for a very long time, and

(39:47):
of course in this case, we also gave confusing messages
about whether they would ever get compensation. So we're not
going to do that anymore. Mechanical events, We're going to
treat those as though they within our control unless the
clear it's very clear at the time and it wasn't
and we're going to pay people their compensation immediately so
that they can get on and make their other plans

(40:08):
and sort themselves out.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Adele, thanks very much, look after yourself. That's a Dale Wilson,
Keirel's chief customer and growth officer.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Together do for see Allen, We're going to talk to the.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Greens about the climate.

Speaker 8 (40:18):
Very sure.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
They also have to tell I have to tell you
about the gas situation. But listen very quickly, just a
heads up. Keep an eye out tomorrow for any news
on Mark Lundy Blast from the past. But Mark Lundy's
been before the parole board today and this is actually
Mark's third time appearing before the parole board. Obviously times
one and two they said no, we're not letting you out,
and mainly they said no, we're not letting you out

(40:39):
because he was like, I didn't do it, I'm innocent,
and often they don't like that. They like you to
admit that you're guilty and then sort of like say
you're sorry and stuff, and then they let you out. Anyway,
So it's a third time appearing before the parole board.
If they decide if they make a decision as to
whether to let them out or not, which I'm assuming
they're going to have to, because what's the point of
the appearance unless they make it decision. They are likely

(41:01):
to release that decision tomorrow, so keep an eye. I mean,
what are the chances that he gets out. The guy's
been in for twenty three years, and as I say,
trouble thus far has been not admitting admitting his guilt.
So it'll be it'll be absolutely. I mean, if he
doesn't get out, that's the same if it gets out.
Interesting quarter past. Hey, let me tell you about the
Bid Shark six. This is the cool new yute that's

(41:23):
been released by Bid.

Speaker 13 (41:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I've been driving this ute for a week now, and
let me tell you it is going to be hard
to make me give this ute back because it is fantastic.
It's a hybrid. But you don't need to worry about
range anxiety because you've got a cool eight hundred k range.
Eighty of that is electric. It's enough to get you
around the city wherever you live, and then you can
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If you're a trady, you're gonna love the fact that

(41:46):
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Speaker 4 (42:19):
Nz for ever out.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Either. If Mark Lundy gets out, he's going to be
shocked how crap New Zealand is now. He might well
get out and so actually can I go back in
because I don't like the state of the place. Nineteen
past five? Now New Zealanders are getting a little bit apathetic,
it turns out when it gets it comes to climate change.
According to a recent survey by IPSOS eighty percent of
us were worried about the effects of climate change on
the on New Zealand back in twenty twenty three, but

(42:41):
that number is now down to sixty nine percent. Now
Lane Farm is the Green Party spokesperson for the environment
and with us. Now, Hey, lan Cure, he was just depressing.
I'm well, thanks, mate. Is this depressing for you?

Speaker 20 (42:54):
I think I think it's really sad, but it's unfortunately
not surprising.

Speaker 18 (43:00):
No.

Speaker 20 (43:00):
Communities are really struggling at the moment, and it's hard
for people to think of the future when they're actually
having to focus on surviving the cost of living crisis.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yes, is true. I also thought eighty percent of us
worried about the effects of climate change in twenty twenty
three is probably an indication that we had Cyclone Gabriel
hit the ESQ value and we were told it was
about climate change in twenty twenty three, don't you think?

Speaker 20 (43:22):
Yeah, and it's still coming. I mean, we know what's happening,
you know, thinking of the communities up north right now,
climate change is absolutely here and unfortunately, you know, we're
going to see increasing impacts.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Do you think that that many of us actually care?
I mean I look at another of it says the
number of Kiwis who think we should be doing more
about the climate has gone from sixty four percent to
fifty four percent over the last year. But I wonder
how many of those numbers are real and where they're
actually All that happens is you feel like you have
to say you care about the climate when you're asked
by a survey, but for the most part, you don't
care and you just catch your flight to Fiji anyway.

Speaker 20 (43:58):
Yeah, I think what we're saying, Heather is, you know,
this cost of living crisis is making people think about
their more immediate future. The thing is, though, with the
climate crisis and the biodiversity crisis is that even if
we're not paying attention to it and ignoring it, it's
not making the problem go away. And we're still going

(44:21):
to have to take actual action if we're going to
address it. So that's what we're trying to stay focused on,
like actually acting now for the future as well as
addressing what people need today.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
How's it going in the Green Pat Are you guys
feeling okay've had a rough run lately.

Speaker 20 (44:37):
Yeah, we're feeling really good. We're actually feeling really determined.
At the moment, we're working on a budget that we're
going to be releasing in the next few weeks that
actually spous out how New Zealand would move towards, you know,
this actually climate friendly future, which would actually mean you know,
cheaper costs and better living for everyone.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Do you know what you could trademark that better living everyone?
Haven't heard that before? Hey, thanks very much, Lanfa, that
could be on the next billboard. You know what, how
much did you love the defund the police billboards?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Then?

Speaker 20 (45:12):
Yeah, I think that was like a really great way
to draw attention to the fact that we do need
to have some really serious conversations about justice in this
country and how you.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Want to defund the police.

Speaker 20 (45:25):
Lan I really back and agree with what Tabetha was
saying in terms of, you know, there's a whole bunch
of agencies out there in our community that would be
a better place than the police to actually respond to
the very serious issues that are in our community.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Cool man, Hey, listen, looking forward to your budget. Can't
wait to see it, Lan Farm, Green Party spokesperson for
the Environment five two.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Elan
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
They'd be either honestly, where do these loop heads live?
That's the Greens which talking about twenty five past five,
I've got a lot of time for some Simeon Brown,
I just feel like I need to say that. I
think he's a very good politician. But I feel like
Simi and Brown might want to take a little bit
of advice from Chris Hipkins of all people today because
he was once the Health Minister as well, and Simeon
might just want to tone down the old fighting talk

(46:17):
because accusing the striking senior doctors of the worst kind
of politics at our etc. Is really not going to
help anyone. The only one, the only thing is going
to help people right now is actually throw some money
at those senior doctors. And I'm sorry, but Simmion Brown,
for everything that he may feel about how upset he
is that they're going on strike, is simply going to
have to pony up the cash and pay these senior
doctors a lot more. Look, I know he's probably on

(46:40):
the right side of public opinion. This is saman There's
not going to be a lot of public sympathy for
doctors who are on the kind of money that they are,
whether it's three hundred and fifty thousand dollars like he
says or two hundred and fifty thousand dollars like they say,
it doesn't really matter what they're on, and it doesn't
really matter whether we think they paid enough or whether
we think they paid too much. What matters is what
the rest of the world pays, because that is who

(47:00):
we are competing with for these senior doctors. New South Wales,
i've been told, is the part of Australia that pays
senior doctors the least, and their starting pay for senior
doctors in New South Wales is apparently more than what
our senior doctors get when they are on the highest
level in New Zealand. And they, by the way, who
are paid more than our doctors in New South Wales,
have just had a three day strike themselves. Now we

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already have such a shortage of senior doctors in this
country that in Taupo Hospital, the news will tell you today,
not even a third of their positions are filled. The
roster is really I don't know how they're running that
place on the number of senior doctors they've got. Now,
while I appreciate that Sami and Brown is a very
good politician, could well end up winning the pr battle
against the doctors. Ultimately, it's not the voters that he

(47:44):
has to convince with his good words, it's the doctors
with his money. Heather do for see Allen Heather climate change. Please,
it's a per week seasonal storm. Read the room. We
have wised up to your Henny Penny bs to the
Green Party. Look, I wouldn't use I've got to be honest.
I wouldn't use this particular storm as evidence of climate change,
would you. I mean it has been like like, I know,

(48:05):
the fairies have been canceled in Auckland, and look there's
a big power outage and stuff like. It's kind of annoying,
you know, and it is a bit disruptive. But it's
not the best storm we've seen. We've seen better storms lately,
haven't we. We've seen better storms lately. I mean, just
go back two years and think about how Auckland when
you know, like the water's whooped up up in Auckland.
So I feel like this one's a bit of a fizzer,

(48:26):
I would say, I would say that actually maybe we
could find a better example of climate changes. This one's
not going to freak anyone out, but the Greens will
be happy because I've got a little bit of good
news for them. Genesis, which you know is one of
the power companies in the country, has has announced gas
is no longer a transition fuel. They are going to
abandon gas. They reckon that by twenty thirty it's going
to be completely gone. And this is exactly what Justinda's

(48:48):
government wanted when they did that gas and oil and
gas exploration band. So everything's working perfectly for the greenees.
This is fantastic news. We've only got another five years
to go and gas is gone except switched to cul
so Cole it turns out is cheaper and more reliable,
and they're not going to use gas anymore. They're just
going to burn the black gold. They have got five

(49:11):
hundred thousand tons stockpiled at Huntley and they have got
seven hundred and seventy thousand tons on order over the
next six months. Cool news is next.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talks that'd beale.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Yes and Heather.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Actually, how can you believe that there's a climate crisis
when the party that's at the forefront of actually fighting
the climate fighters more worried about defending the defunding the
police and less about the climate. As a fair point
of client, Paul, I mean, I think we all know
the Greens have got a little bit off track. By
the way, if we get to before the end of
this program, I do want to talk about Chloe. Let
me write this down so I don't forget Helloe there.
I wrote it on the bit of paper because Chloe.

(50:07):
It seems to me that while I was on maternity
leave having babies, Chloe was having kittens. Well, she can't
come out of this whole situation looking good. So we
have a little chat about that. Perhaps later on we
got the huddle standing by Morris Williamson and Craig Rennie
and got some research on how you can have the
best day of your life ever, like practical practical advice
on how to structure the best. I'll get that to

(50:28):
you shortly is twenty four away from six.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Together do for Sea Ali Over in the UK.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
The Supreme Court has ruled on the definition of what
a woman is, and it is ruled that a woman
is someone who was born as a biological woman and
does not include trans women. Now, the case came about
because of a Scottish government plan to include transgender women
in quotas with account women on boards and try to
get to fifty percent. Liam here is a lawyer and
commentator and is with us. Now, Hey, Liam, Hello, Hey,

(50:54):
how specific is this ruling? Is this? I mean, is
this only about whether you can count where men and
trans women on boards to make your quota or is
this also going to bleed into other things like where
the trans women can play sport and stuff.

Speaker 18 (51:07):
Well, it's it's wider than that, but not as wide
as some people think either. So the legislation involved is
the Quality Act, a twenty ten human rights Act, and
that is the act of the UK Parliament, not the
Scottish Parliament, but applies to the whole of the UK,
which is the more the framework that kind of enables
you to have these quotas, right, So it applies to

(51:29):
anything that comes within the framework of the Quality Act.
So that's not just board quotas, that is other things.
But it's also not legal it's not throughout the whole
of the legal system, right, so it's it's a significant
ruling for the purposes of that act, but it's got
its boundaries.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Would would the boundaries include where the trans women can
play sports?

Speaker 14 (51:50):
Well like that?

Speaker 18 (51:51):
Yeah, there's certainly our regulations there around sort of female
only spaces, and that's certainly one and certainly that's implicated
in the Act and that's certainly yeah. So yes, the
answer and answer is.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yes, okay, I mean all practicality, though you can't always
be sure, like how are they actually going to know
whether someone who says I'm a woman is actually a
biological woman or a trans woman?

Speaker 18 (52:16):
Well, you know, we've been grappling with that for a
long time. You know, the sex testing at the OTEX
has to be a big thing. You know sometimes sometimes
dore I say, it's more obvious than than other cases.
But like everything, you know, like the law relies on
people being honest about how they're reporting on things, and
you know, people sometimes say that they are things that

(52:37):
they're not, and that's not uncommon either. So it's really
a question is are you going to get caught out?
And secondly, are you're a law or a biding person
who obeys the law because it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, Liam, I mean, undoubtedly this is going to be
picked up in the culture war and it's going to
become part of the ammunition. But in terms of what
happens in this country legally, will this affect.

Speaker 18 (52:57):
Us, No, not certainly, not directly. So we have a
separate legal system to the UK. But of course the
UK is a jurisdiction that's held in a lot of
esteem here, and our laws are you know that a
lot of them are modeled on UK laws, and for
a long time, you know, we were sort of indirectly
hopped into the UK legal system. So when a judge

(53:17):
has to make a decision about a question of New
Zealand law, they're entitled to look at something that's been
decided in the UK or Australia or Canada and say, look,
this is a similar case. The reasoning here was solid,
So I'm sort of persuaded by that reasoning and I'm
going to apply it here. So New Zealand courts could
easily look at the precedent that's been set in the

(53:38):
UK and apply it here too, if they chose to.
But we do also have a different judicial culture, as
we've seen over the years New Zealand. New Zealand judges
are quite willing to try to update the law or
to push the boundaries of the law, and they're probably
a little bit less different to the meaning that Parliament
intended than the UK courts are. So I wouldn't be

(53:59):
I wouldn't be surprised if the New Zealand courts looked
at it and said, no, that's not the way you
want to go.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Interesting. Hellam, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Lim here,
lawyer and commentator. Right now twenty away from.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Sex the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the
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Speaker 3 (54:15):
Promise on the huddle this evening got Morris Williams and
Auckland councilor obviously former National Party member and Craig Ready
of the c to U Chief Economists there. Hello lads,
Hi Treva sorry he good to have you back. Hold on,
did you just call me Trevor?

Speaker 21 (54:29):
I I did correct myself. I corrected my eyes just
picking up the phone because I hadn't had it at
my ear.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Is it because it rhymes with Heather or.

Speaker 21 (54:38):
It probably was. I did not think of you in
any way as a Trevor.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
We're going to write that one on the list of.

Speaker 21 (54:44):
Names and you can probably get the chromosome tests approve it.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Do you know what today I'll identify as Trevor for
the for the gig was Craig. Craig, you you're bracing
yourself for a snap election. You're getting ready? Oh, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (54:57):
I'm not putting much faith in there being sna election obviously.
I think everybody, you know, all political parties will want
to be ready. But I think a lot of that
is sort of very loose talk. Governments tend to stick
together much more than they tend to fall apart, so
I don't think it's likely that to happen to me.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
You know, you want to give you a Mat Kieran
at the Labor Party a call and tell him to
settle down.

Speaker 11 (55:19):
Oh, I think he's just pointing out that the party
is ready for an election if there is going to
be one. I think, you know, if Winston Peters wants
to call an election and you know, make this a
one term government, then fantastic. But in terms of you know,
whether or not there will be an election. I really
don't think so.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I don't think so, Morris. Why are they doing this?
I mean, why on earth are the likes of the
Labor Party in New Zealand first as well talking this
kind of nonsense up.

Speaker 21 (55:43):
Well, it's ridiculous. I mean that there's two points that
need to be made. First of all, they've got a
lot of penance to do before they can come back
into the political landscape and not be embarrassed about the
money they spent and the little they got for it
in the economics times they put us through and everyone
knows what happened was six years of Grant Robinson's way
over spending, way under delivering and so on. So it'll

(56:04):
take a while for Labor to come back from the wilderness.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
It always does.

Speaker 21 (56:07):
It happened to us when we got sent to the wilderness.
It's very unlikely to ever come back after one term.
But the second problem they've got, and it's serious. I
don't know how they'll ever go to an election campaign
when the only people they can rely on to get
them back into government are the other than whack jobs
Greens and even bigger whack jobs to Party.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Mari Actually, that's a fair point that you make, Marris.
Have you been following this business that's party Marty saying
that they want to have Mary get the pens in
ten years earlier.

Speaker 21 (56:32):
Well, there's a good question there.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
What's MARII?

Speaker 21 (56:35):
Well, if you are like if you are like David Seymour,
and you're one thirty second or one sixty fourthcause you
take once, do you take one sixty fourth of ten
years and you get it only three months early? And
so that af full Mariy gets the whole ten years
and a half gets five years. Then it gets really
crazy because you can be a mari if you identify
as one. Are you going to give that person some

(56:56):
special deal itself?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
It's self in trouble if you talk like this.

Speaker 21 (56:59):
Morris, Sorry but no, it's it's a question that would
have to be fronted if you were going to do
that policy.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
But what is Yeah, but what about the politics of
the situation? Right, because we talked about this yesterday, here's
Labor sort of entertaining the idea briefly and then shooting
it down today.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
We'll take them that long.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Don't you just need to if you'll Labor go into
the default position. Of gently shooting down everything that comes
out of those people's brains.

Speaker 21 (57:21):
Anything that comes out of there in that scope, you
just say this is just nuts, just simply nuts, because
the public wouldn't have a bar of it. You would
have absolute political rights. But I'm really hot to trot
on that point about what is a mari. There are
some people that maybe fifty percent. I'm told there is
no pure mari anymore. But there are people who have
got one sixty fourth in their ancestry back five grandparents ago.

(57:45):
Do they get the whole lot or do they get
one sixty fourth?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I still identify it Scottish and I don't know how
dilloted it is. So you know all.

Speaker 21 (57:55):
I want to claim from the Highlands, then.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Tell me something. Craig Rea same and Brown. Do you
think he's going a little bit hard on the senior
doctors as the retrick a little high.

Speaker 11 (58:07):
I think he needs to turn the temperature down enormously
on this, you know, sort of there's a reason why
doctors are on strike. There's you know that there's there's
more than a thousand doctors short, senior doctors short, across
the country. He's complaining about four thousand appointments being lost.
We lose more than that a week as a consequence
of not having the number of doctors that we need

(58:28):
in the country. You know, they're looking for they're looking
to just make sure their pay catches up with junior doctors,
because if you make the decision to become a senior
doctor right now, you'll actually lose money going from it,
going from being a junior doctor to a senior doctor
because they've lost that progressivity. So, you know, really we
need to be looking at the three hundred and eighty

(58:49):
million dollars we're spending on locoms and temporary doctors right
now if we want, you know, if we want to
make savings in the health service, and we need to
make more than a billion dollars of savings in the
health service according to Tifata Aura. So I think if
he wants to get to the solution, if he wants
junior doctors, I say, senior doctors to come to the table.
You know that that involves a respectful conversation in the treatment.

(59:13):
In treatment, we talk about good faith, and he's not
really demonstrating good faith right now with the words that
he's usual.

Speaker 21 (59:20):
It will come as no surprise that I think the
complete opposite of that. I think his job was to
get out some absolute facts. For example, last year they
got an eight percent rise. They're now asking for a
twelve percent rise. Hands up those across New Zealand who
thinks twelve percent is a realistic rise?

Speaker 11 (59:36):
That Morris Morris Morris, then the let's talk about some
absolute facts. He said, the average pay of a doctor
is three hundred and fifty thousand. The top of scale
for a senior doctor is two hundred and seventy thousand.

Speaker 21 (59:47):
Okay, so let's go what he actually sage? No, no, sorry,
you can't get away with it, Craig. He said, the
total package when you add all the elements together.

Speaker 11 (59:57):
So this is overtime.

Speaker 21 (59:58):
So because there is a whole lot of elements to the.

Speaker 11 (01:00:01):
Page, it's over tame. So because we're so short of
senior doctors, you're seeing to me that they shouldn't be
paid over tame.

Speaker 21 (01:00:08):
The appointments, the expect that we can't have, you can't respects.
The other thing is there are more senior doctors employed
now than there were when National came to power. There
are more senior doctors employed now than there.

Speaker 11 (01:00:22):
Was, and there's still and they're still aren't enough.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
So what's your point here that this is my point.

Speaker 14 (01:00:29):
Do you want to.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
Spend a fewer appointments?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Okay?

Speaker 21 (01:00:31):
My point is do you want to spend twelve percent
on giving people up an unrealistic pay rise or do
you want that twelve percent to go to employing twelve
percent more doctors.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
You're not going to give more doctors Morris, though, You're
not going to attract them overseas if you give them
crap pay and they can get more paid for yourself.

Speaker 21 (01:00:46):
But it's not crap I'm sorry, Hither, it's not crap pay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Might look it might not be crap pay when you
compare it to a KFC worker, but if you compare
it to another senior doctor over in New South wales's
crap pay.

Speaker 21 (01:00:57):
Well, Actually, you're also missing the next point. A number
of the senior doctors, and I know some of them
very well, also do a huge amount of stuff in
the private sector to supplement that and are earning five hundred,
six hundred and up to a million dollars of income.
So I'm sorry, but I don't think the vast bulk
of the public out they have a great deal of sympathy.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
I'm going to fundamentally disagree with you there. I think
people have a great deal of sympathy for senior doctors.
And you're absolutely right. If you're a senior doctor in
New Zealand and you're looking at, you know, the pair
that you could receive in New South Wales, which is
by the way, the worst paid sector in Australia, then
it's well above that which is available in New Zealand.
All Right, we're going to think Simeon Brown needs to
turn the temperature down on this to make sure actually

(01:01:41):
he's talking to doctors rather than shouting at We'll.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Leave it there, come back, and just to take twelve away.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Stein away from Sex Morris Williams and Craig Greennie on
the huddle with that's Morris. I see you got Laura
the producer came in and she gave me a graph
of annual CO two emissions that you want me to see.
Who hung up? Who's there? Hold on, I'm here, I'm here.
Oh Craig, you're still there? Okay? Morris Morris has sent
me a graph and then he's disappeared. So anyway, now

(01:02:16):
I'm going to beIN it. I think he's going to
make the point that we don't actually.

Speaker 21 (01:02:19):
Oh he's back now, something came off here for me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Oh did it?

Speaker 9 (01:02:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:02:23):
Well, what I was going to make the point is
that yes, I want us to do but we can
with our emissions to reduce them. But I don't want
to die on the altar of purity and say we're
going to get rid of agriculture and we're going to
get rid of this like the Greens are advocating. The
reason I've given you that graph is that New Zealand
co two missions don't even register off the X axis.
You can't even see. And you look at China's growth

(01:02:45):
in any one year, it's way bigger than our total.
And so we could end up being the purest country
in the world doing everything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Well what it's.

Speaker 21 (01:02:54):
China and India and South if you look at Brazil
and the rest of South America. So the side that well,
I've heard the Green set the last election campaign. If
you vote for us, we can fix climate change. Our
contribution to climate change is point one seven of eight
percent and so we should do I'm not saying we
shouldn't do a bit. We should do whatever we can,

(01:03:15):
but within reason, not with not the extreme lunacy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah, you know what, Craig, I wonder if Morris is
struck on something here, which is I wonder if part
of the epathy that we're registering in their IPSOS poll
about climate change is simply the fact that New Zealanders
are starting to realize that we actually have no impact
on the world's climate in this country.

Speaker 11 (01:03:31):
Oh well we do quick clearly well in terms of
New Zealanders are one of the highest per capita emitters
of carbon anywhere in the world.

Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Million of us. Well, it's still really important.

Speaker 11 (01:03:45):
And if all of us, if everyone in the world
was to behave like that, climate change would be out
of control. Well like that then, but they're not because
we've got the Paris Agreements and that other countries are
working out of Yes, but that's not a reason for
New Zealand to not deliver its part in delivering claimate change.

(01:04:05):
All right, listen, And as a consequence, we need to
be doing that because if we don't, then we are
guaranteeing and kneeling on claimate change for our children in
the future.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Aslutely.

Speaker 21 (01:04:15):
The difference between us is how much I'm a fan
of doing what would work. How if we can do
things to stop our cows belching and farting and so on,
I think that's great, all of those things. When we
want to say let's get rid of agriculture and get
rid of our transport sector, we go too far.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah, too right, guys, listen, thank you so much. We'll
have to leave it there. And Morris Williams and Craig
Rennie our huddle this evening. Happy Easter to you both.
Seven away from six.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Herether imagine if Winston Peter's got his pension at fifty five,
he's marty and he's eighty, and he's still alive. As
a fair point, Trevor, actually he's got he's already pricey. Frankly,
Winston on the pension is already expensive, and we gave
it to him at fifty five would be very very expensive.
Come possibly for now. As I said to you earlier,
I got to tell you how to stack up your
best day in your whole life. There is a formula

(01:05:07):
to this. The University of British Columbia have researched a
whole bunch of data and I don't quite know how
they've gone about it, and frankly, I don't really care
because it's probably going to ruin the story. But basically,
what they've done is they have figured out how you
can have the best day ever by dividing your time
up in a certain way. This is the formula for

(01:05:27):
a joyful day. Six hours spent with family, followed by
two hours spent with friends. Depending on how you feel
about your family, you might disagree with that, but anyway,
six with family, two with friends, then one and a
half hours socializing. Now I don't know who you're socializing with.
If it's not like you've done six hours with your family,

(01:05:50):
now you're doing two hours with your friends. Now you've
got one and a half hours to kill socializing presumably
with other people. So I'm guessing this is like your neighbors,
the lady at the coffee show, maybe the kindy teachers,
I don't know. Then two hours of exercise, yes, two
hours no, No, you're not going to get away with
your thirty thirty minutes of a hit, two hours of exercise,

(01:06:12):
one hour of eating and drinking, which if you're a boozer,
if you like to drink too much, it's a problem
for you. Work less than six hours. I think we
can all agree with that. TV less than one hour,
and commuting needs to be less than fifteen minutes. Now
I did the maths for you. That means you've only
got four and a half hours sleep, so it's only
going to work for one day. After that, it's all
just downhill from there. Let's talk about gas and coal.

(01:06:34):
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on whether we should be worried about inflation ticking up again,
Joan McKay on whether the agriculture sector is actually going
to save our economy again, and Sam Dickey on whether
there are any historic parallels with what we're seeing with
the trade war. Right now. It's coming up eight past
six now Genesis Energy has announced it's just going to
give up on the gas, they give it another five years.

(01:07:27):
The chief executive, Malcolm John's told of Parliamentary Select Committee
he no longer sees gas as a transition fuel and
they're just going to hit the coal instead. John Carnegie
is the chief executive of Energy Resources altered Or and
with us. Now, Hey John, hey, hey, you don't I'm
very well, thank you. This is a reflection that we're
running out of gas, right, That's the problem here, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:07:47):
Oh well, look, unfortunately what's been said isn't a great
surprise to us. And actually it's not that gas isn't
a viable transition fuel. It said, it's simply not coming
available to the market and the quantity is wanted and
Genese are is saying that out loud, so you know,
these comments aren't actually anything more than a practical reflection

(01:08:08):
of the reality that major gas uses are facing right
across the economy. And I've been saying this for some time,
that we've got an energy shortage. And unfortunately, this is
what an energy shortage looks like. When one of our
largest gas users says there's not enough gas for them
and we need to turn to coal to make electricity.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I mean, they've gone to the deadline of twenty thirty,
which is alarmingly close. Is that realistic?

Speaker 14 (01:08:32):
Well realistic in terms of what guess.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Like they're really going to stop doing gas in five
years time?

Speaker 14 (01:08:40):
Well, look, you know, I think the frustrating thing about
this is that New Zealand actually has abundant natural gas
that can be harnessed to ensure a thriving economy and
fueling our manufacturers and exporters to deliver key we jobs
and prosperity. It's just that, through a variety of policy decisions,

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gas isn't coming to market, and you know, as you'd expect,
you know, Genesis is responding to those market signals.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
What does this? So Genesis is my provider and I
pay them for electricity and I also pay them for
gas because the old stove runs on gas. You know,
cook on gas. What does that mean? Am I not
going to be able to cook on gas in five years?

Speaker 10 (01:09:21):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:09:21):
No, Look, I think there's plenty of gas. New Zealand
has lots of gas we just need.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Is Genesis going to continue to be my company then?
Or are they not going to provide my gas?

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:09:34):
Love, I mean you need to They'll be engaging with
you as one of their customers. But we do have
plenty of gas.

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
We just need the right conditions to get it out
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
So you don't know what this practically means about them
saying that they're going to give up on the gas
in five years, as to whether everybody who's got gas
provided by Genesis suddenly needs to find a new provider.

Speaker 14 (01:09:53):
In terms of electricity generation, are signaling that are going
to rely on Colon. Good on them, you know they
doing what they can. But I can assure you that
everyone would prefer to see domestic natural gas filling the
gap when we have low lake levels. But it seemed
to be we seem to be doing the reverse of
what the rest of the world are doing. We're going

(01:10:14):
from gas to coal, not coal to gas.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
That's pretty meantal Now they're talking about eventually converting Huntley
to instead of burning the coal, burning the wood waste.
Is this just pie in the sky nonsense that they
say to make us feel good about it, or is
that realistic?

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:10:31):
I no, that's some There are active, active plans to
have that happen, and they've they've said they're going to
work at pace to get three hundred thousand tons of
domestically produced by mass in place by twenty twenty eight. Yeah,
but you know it is a budding market in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
But did you say three hundred tons or three hundred
thousand tons?

Speaker 14 (01:10:52):
Three hundred thousand tons?

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
I mean that's still nothing, is it right? They've got
five hundred thousand tons of coal there and they're ordering
seven hundreds seventy thousand tons of coal, So three hundred
thousand tons of wood is sort of just a tiny fraction,
isn't it?

Speaker 14 (01:11:06):
Well to put it into perspective, Heather, it could in
a normal year, whatever a normal year now means in
an ourcrisity market, it could an a normal average year
avoid the use of coal. But in a dry year,
of course, Genesis could use three times.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I see what you mean?

Speaker 14 (01:11:23):
Yeah that much. So you know the answer to that
question is you know, it depends. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Hey, John, thank you very much. I really appreciate you
talking us through it as John Carnegie, the energy resources
out here or chief executive. Don't get me wrong, if
we invite you on the show, and I'm talking to you, Genesis,
if we invite you on the show to come and
have a chat about coal. Don't think you're going to
come here and get a hard time from me. I
love coal because I tell you what I love. What
I love more than the climate, it's having a house

(01:11:50):
that has the lights on. So if you've got to
burn the coal, don't worry about it. Is all Gbo me.
You know, we get what we rep, what we saw.
We want to start cutting the gas off. Then we're
going to start burning the coal, and I understand it.
I'm not angry with Genesis, but I do want Genesis
to come and tell me what happens to my gas,
because I mean, we could be talking about two completely
different things. They might just not be be generating electricity

(01:12:12):
with gas, but very happy to pipe the gas at
my house, and I'd be happy about that. I hope
that we've got enough gas so that we can continue
to cook, do you know what I mean? Because it's
going to be an absolute pain in the butt having
to switch to induction because if you've seen what that
does to your fuse, I don't want to be doing that.
Plus also it costs a lot of money, and nobody
wants to be cooking on electricity anymore, do we. I mean,
we've tried that, haven't we, and gas is a whole lot.
Better listen, I've got a little bit of good news

(01:12:33):
for you. On the doll there's been an uptick in
the number of people who are coming off the doll
and going to work. This time last year they had
about twenty thousan five hundred people thereabouts come off the
doll and go to work, and this time this year
it's twenty three thousand. Now it's an increase of about
two and a half thousand people. Doesn't sound like a lot,
but hey, that's eleven percent and we will take that.
And the government would probably like us to believe that

(01:12:54):
it's because they're going harder on the beneficiaries. And maybe
that's true. Maybe it's because of our slow economic recovery.
I don't know, but whatever it is, I'm happy to
see it because people languishing on the doll is a
crime for their lives. So the more people getting off
and getting the jobs fantastic. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Ed me, Heather, thank you for asking about the gas.
I don't want to go back to the hot water cylinder.
Andrea it flash, guy, I'm still on that. Sixteen past
six now, inflation has increased slightly more than expected. It
came in at two and a half percent for Q one,
a little bit more than the two point four percent
we were expecting. We spoke to Gareth Kenan from in
Infa Metrics about it earlier. It was a little bit
of gloomy about our economy. And Liam Dan, the Herald's

(01:13:52):
business editor at large, is here to be a little
bit more gloomy again, aren't.

Speaker 22 (01:13:54):
You lim Yeah, I'm not here to cheer you up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Sorry, what's the gloomy you're bringing at me?

Speaker 22 (01:13:58):
Well, inflation. The good news is the inflation's maybe a
bit of a red hearing. I mean, we all hate it.
At the food prices went up. We know that the
cheese and the milk and everything pushed it up, and
that it's got something to do with commodity prices, and
that's good for the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
But and the coffee prices.

Speaker 22 (01:14:14):
Yeah, coffee, chocolate, all the good things. But what the
reason that the economists have confidence that inflation isn't coming
back to haunt us unfortunately, is because the economy is gone.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
We're all going to get pounders, trade wars struggling.

Speaker 22 (01:14:29):
Yeah, and so you look at some of the stuff
I read the infometrics piece. Obviously, A and Z this
week as well had a piece saying they now think
that the OCO will have to go to two point five,
which is about fifty basis points lower than they'd said previously.
And you know the sense that the thing about the
A and Z one is that they hadn't even factored

(01:14:49):
and they're not factoring in the fallout from the trade
wars yet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So this is just how crappy our recovery is.

Speaker 22 (01:14:57):
Well, I guess what, there hasn't been any wrecked fallout
from the trade wars yet, but the shock to confidence
I think is an issue. So, you know, the hit
to the key we say, of the market turmoil, and
if you're a business thinking about what's going to happen,
you know it just our recovery was such a fledgling,
you know, tiny little thing finally had this recovery going,
and now to have this big shock to global confidence.

(01:15:20):
It's really the worst possible timing. So you know, I
would think, you know, we may well, we will probably
see the Reserve Bank go lower, and we've probably got
to see them, I think, go go fifty basis points
in May, because we kind of need to get ahead
of the curve before for you know, another gloomy winter.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yes, but then if they go fifty basis points in May,
you're doing the very thing that everybody says you shouldn't do,
which is overreact to the trade war, right you should?

Speaker 22 (01:15:46):
Yeah, sit, Yeah, I thought about that. I mean May
twenty eight, so we've got a while I think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
I think five weeks or thereabouts by that.

Speaker 14 (01:15:54):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:15:54):
Look, and I hope I'm wrong. I hope things go
really well from here.

Speaker 14 (01:15:57):
Yea.

Speaker 22 (01:15:57):
Yeah, And Donald Trump negotiates with all these countries and
soul everything with China and it doesn't need to happen,
but it doesn't quite feel like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Okay. So here's my counter argument to that. Donald Trump
is not an idiot. I mean, you know, regardless of
what you think about him, he's very very he cares
very deeply what happens in the markets and what happens
in the economy, Right, that's the kind of thing that
he measures himself by. So if he sees things starting
to go tit's up. He's not going to go down.

Speaker 22 (01:16:22):
Yeah, he's paused various things and he could, but he
doesn't really care about our economy.

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
So no, and so but if.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
The war, if the water economy really takes a hammering,
it affects their economy, doesn't.

Speaker 22 (01:16:34):
It does, But we are very vulnerable to China. And look,
you know, good things could happen. You know, people have
talked about it. There's all sorts of effects. But I
guess the issue at the moment is, you know, like
we saw it in the card spending data earlier this week,
people have put their wallets away and that's not supposed
to happen. The interest rates are supposed to come down
and you're supposed to spend more. So you know, I'm

(01:16:55):
reserving judgment too on the on the tariff that the
actual final fallout from all the tariffs, how it lands, say,
you know, nine months, twelve months from now, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
What it's doing to our heads as well right now, the.

Speaker 22 (01:17:06):
Chaos and uncertainty is making it very difficult for this
recovery to get going.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Do you reckon it's gone to Nichola Willis's head yet.

Speaker 22 (01:17:13):
Well, she's very much staying calm as she should. You know, good, good,
that's what you want from the leadership. And she's saying
she's going to stick to the script. There's no room
for you know, loosening the fiscal purse strings yet. But
you know, it could go either way because it's again it's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
I mean, she doesn't need to loosen it. They're loose already.
The woman spends more than Grant robertson.

Speaker 22 (01:17:33):
Yeah, but you know, like it is still a constraint
on growth and if you know, if this turns into
a GFC type scenario. And I'm looking at some stuff
from Fitch today, Fitch Ratings looking at global growth this year,
and they're forecasting it to be the worst, not counting
the first pandemic year, the worst since twenty two thousand
and nine. So they're talking about global growth coming down

(01:17:55):
to very very low levels. And yeah, I hope, I
certainly hope we don't have to look at any kind
of fiscal stimulus. I know it's a really bad time
for it because we don't have much room to borrow anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
But someone says you're just depressed because of daylight saving
in winter.

Speaker 22 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I mean and the weather's lousy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah, that's right, and we've got to stare, so that's
always a risk. Thanks, Liam, appreciated. Jamie McKay's nexts Liam Dan,
the Herald's Business editor at Large, six twenty one The.

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Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Jamie, Hello, Hello you.

Speaker 10 (01:18:32):
They're great to check to you again after all these months.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
It's lovely.

Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Did you realize that we named the baby after you?
Like I told you we were going to?

Speaker 23 (01:18:40):
Yeah, well I didn't believe that, but I mean, let's
let's be a way bit more honest.

Speaker 10 (01:18:43):
It's after the mackay Klan. Of course Barrie's mother.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
But you know, don't pass.

Speaker 10 (01:18:48):
Yes, well, we all belonged, We all belong to the
clan cousin ever as we all do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Now Hey, listen, so Christopher Lux and Rickins, it's our
farmers pulling us out of a recession.

Speaker 23 (01:18:58):
Yeah, well it is, but just before that, having I've
kind of been out of action a week this week, unfortunately,
and I've just sort of trying to catch up on
the news today and I thought I'll listen into Heather.

Speaker 10 (01:19:08):
Well, I'm driving around in the latter part of the
afternoon and I'm thinking, is this Heather Duper c l
and drive or is this BYD Drive? And you talks Heather?

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Do you have a ut? Do you have a yute?

Speaker 24 (01:19:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:19:23):
I'm shameless as well.

Speaker 23 (01:19:23):
I've got a Toyota high Lux Hybrid and you've got
a hybrid BYD so they are good. Well, the best
thing about him is all the stuff you can chuck
in the back truck, you know, golf clubs and all
that sort of stuff. In my case, no, my kids
are too big to put him in the back, although
I would probably would still like to put him there. No, Look,
things like a tree planting spades, heather and native trees.

(01:19:47):
You know how keen I am on planting those, So yeah,
go the utes love it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Okay, So the ute drivers being the farmers, what are
they doing to help us out? That the lux and
feels like he's got to give them this praise.

Speaker 10 (01:19:57):
Well, I see he was at a lung a luxe
and luncheon today hosted by the Taranaki Chamber of Commerce,
and I guess he's reiterating what most of us, certainly
in the primary sector know anyhow, that agriculture is pulling
a New Zealand out of a recession, because we're in
danger of slipping back into one of trump as his ways.
And he was just saying, look after a really good

(01:20:20):
and I know you talked about this one yesterday, a
really good global dairy trade auction, it was outstanding result.
Homet powder up two point eight percent, one point six
across the board. Look, everything else is going down while
and all that sort of going down. There's a lot
of uncertainty, but Derry just keeps on keeping on. And
you know, Luxelm was quoting a few numbers. You know,

(01:20:40):
farming generates ten thousand dollars for every man, woman and
child in this country and we are the best farmers
in the world. And he was just going on to
say that economic activity, particularly in places like Southland and Canderby,
where they've enjoyed a very favorable summer compared to some
of our North Island farming friends. You know, they're really
starting to cook with gas with economic momentum as the farmers.

(01:21:04):
And we'll see it at Mystery Creek in a couple
of months time. You know, the farmers have got a
lot of catch up spending to do. They haven't made
much money.

Speaker 23 (01:21:11):
The sheep farmers have lost money over the past few years.
So they're going to go to Mystery Creek and there
will be uts by d Utes or Toyota Highlux's heather
to be replaced and the tractors as.

Speaker 10 (01:21:21):
Well, and that's going to be good. It's a money
go around, but it all starts. It all starts at
the milking shed and the sharing shed.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
We go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
You good thing, Jamie, Thank you so much and thanks
for listening and enjoy your high Luckxsis Jamie McKay, Host
of the Country. Hey do you remember do you remember
the Kafa fall back at the Olympics where the football
ferns were being spied on by the Canadians. Do you
remember that? Now the woman who is the woman who
was the coach who has been banned for doing that,

(01:21:49):
Bev Priestman, is in New Zealand at the moment, and
it turns out that there is a possibility she becomes
the coach of the football ferns. Now, this is one
of those kind of rule them in, rule them out
games you don't actually know, like the media plays this game.
You don't actually know that she necessarily is going to
become the coach of the football firms. But Wellington Phoenix
was us, oh sorry, of the of the Wellington Phoenix.

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Wellington Phoenix was us. Bev's Bev's Bev's hanging around in
New Zealand? Would you hire? And they were like, we
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(01:22:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
I haven't gottum that we need to talk about Chloe Swarbrick,
and we will talk about Chloe Spowbrick. Just got to
draw your attention to the fact that we have had
another one bite the dust at the Reserve Bank. This
is the assistant Governor, Simone Robbers, who frankly I did
not know what's working there, but hey, there's six hundred
and sixty of them, so you can't know all of them.
Having said that she was an assistant governor, but it

(01:23:33):
does seem like there are a lot of them lately.
So anyway, Simone, who we'd never heard of before, is
leaving the Reserve Bank just weeks after Adrian all left
abruptly in March. She's also the general manager of Strategy,
Engagement and Sustainability, which frankly does sound like a job
you don't need. I mean, that's just that's a fellow job,
isn't it, Engagement, Strategy and Sustainability. She's going to leave
at the end of May, and best of luck to her,

(01:23:54):
because I'm sure she's very smart and that she will
do make it have a greater impact somewhere else. But
we're not paying her way and she doesn't have to
be part of a team of six hundred and sixty.
But anyway, what I'm trying to get to here is
are we having a little cleanout? Because I don't think
that would be a bad thing. I mean, if you've
got a reserve bank that starts identifying as a tree
and goes public with thinks it's a good idea to

(01:24:15):
go public with that. I think that maybe at the
top you have a problem and maybe a little clean
out of all of Adrian's little mates who are there
might be in order. Twenty three away from seven ever
duper see Alan Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds is with us.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Hey Sam, good evening here righting now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Oh thank you so much. Geez. I've come back straight
into the old trade war and what's going on with
the tariff headlines? How long is this going to go
on for? Do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:24:40):
There are sort of really three types of beer markets,
and remember a beer market is one where the market
falls by twenty percent or more. And we were the
at last Tuesday, So three types and the vent riven
beer market a cycnical beer market and a structural beer market.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
So structural is where there are.

Speaker 24 (01:24:57):
Structural imbalances or financial bubbles like the nineteen thirties Great depression.
Cyclical beer market is a function of the economic cycle
turning down like the nineteen ninety recession, and an event
driven beer market it's the most benign of all. The
market falls because of a specific event like COVID. And
to be clear, this current situation is event driven, which
is the most benign, and the event was the Liberation

(01:25:19):
Day tariffs. Now that's not to say that everything that
comes out of Trump's mouth is a virus like COVID.
But Goldman Sacks did an exercise looking back almost two
hundred years, and event driven beer markets last only six
to eight months.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Is there a possibility that an event driven beer market
becomes a structural beer market.

Speaker 24 (01:25:40):
Well, there's a possibility it can become a cyclical beer market.
So you think about you know, if you're sitting in
a boardroom in Hanoi or Mumbai or Manchester or Milwaukee,
and you've been asked to sign off on a billion
dollar CAPEX project, for example, you'd probably sit on your hands, right,
And if consumers in business are sit on their hands

(01:26:02):
for too long, we slip into recession, and the beer
market could last for longer, and a cyclical beer market
can last, you know, obviously longer than six to eight months.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Yeah, and then obviously the worst case scenarios then becomes
a structural one and there's but the best case scenario.
What you're telling us is that we're talking about a
matter of months here. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Are there
any parallels in history here?

Speaker 24 (01:26:25):
Yeah, I think COVID is a reasonable parallel for event
riven beer market. Yeah, I mean those are other parallels.
I mean, looking back two hundred years, there's been many
event driven beer markets, and the average time these last
is six to eight months. The average time a cyclical
beer market lasts about twenty seven months. So that's sort

(01:26:47):
of gold sex looking back over two hundred odd years.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
So what are you looking for to kind of tell you,
to inform you as to where we're going with this
and whether it's improving or getting worse.

Speaker 24 (01:26:59):
I'd love to say we're able to ignore the haphazard
headline bombs coming out of the US, but really looking
for any signs of walking back some of the tariffs
and posts on China, any signs that the ninety day
pause on the rest of the world will result in
a permanent pause, but more so any signs that there
is movement towards his endgame of on shore in US manufacturing.

(01:27:20):
So you probably saw in video in the press yesterday
talking up spending half a trillion dollars over the next
four years to manufacture AI chips in the US, but Apple, Honda, Hayondai,
Volkswagen all making noises about wrapping up US manufacturing and
then just the US dollar itself. Think of that as
a popularity barometer for Trump, and the US is an
investment destination.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Do you when you see these I mean a lot
of us are looking at some of the stuff that
he's backtracking on and he's sort of flip flopping, and
we're seeing it as signs that he is coming under
pressure and blinking and we're taking that as positive signs.

Speaker 24 (01:27:52):
Are you, yeah, I think that's reasonable. We did discover
as his pain threshold last Wednesday. And the market always
talks about finding the pain point or looking for the
where's the insurance policy at? And originally the most benign
view was or you won't want to see the equity
market falling, because that's a you know, it's a popularity barometer.

(01:28:14):
But he was clearly prepared to let the equity market fall.
But when thirty year bond yields spiked higher as foreign
investors put a high risk premium on US government debt,
and remember ninety percent of mortgages than the US has
set off those rates, and then credit spreads spiked higher.
So credit spreads you slap on top of government bonds
to lend to individuals or governments, sorry, individuals and businesses.

(01:28:38):
That was his pain point. So equity market weakness hurts
Wall Street at a rise, and borrowing costs hurts everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Right, Sam, what's your advice to investors?

Speaker 24 (01:28:48):
Well, I can't give advice, but that the marketers watching
those three assets, the US dollars, the thirty year bond,
and US credit spreads. They're all at slightly uncomfortable levels
but holding there for now. But more broadly, we've got
to remember times like this, says equity investors. You learn
to stomach the sort of volatility every few years. So
twand and one, two and eight, twenty eleven, twenty eighteen,

(01:29:09):
twenty twenty, twenty twenty two, and now twenty twenty five
we saw these types of volatility as to be expected.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
The situation is fluid, but at the very.

Speaker 24 (01:29:18):
Least here I think it's a good chance to speak
to your financial advisor and check and make sure you're
in the right strategy for your risk tolerance.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Yeah, very goodvice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Hey, thank you very much, Sam appreciated. Happy is to
you that Sam de Kia Fisher Funds right now, it's
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Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
The possibility has been raised that Flybys may sell your
data to make some money. Now, what's going on here
with Flybys? Because you'll be like then they closed yet
Flybys closed last year and then the company behind it,
Loyalty New Zealand, went into liquidation. Now one of Loyalty
New Zealand's key assets is our data because of course Flybys.

(01:29:56):
If you were hooked up to Flybys, you were just
handing over heaps of your data to Flyby, you know,
like stuff like years and years of your shopping histories
and your profiles. I mean every time you went to
I don't know, let's say, Might to tend them and
to give libys you know, so they were basically recording
what you were doing, and they know that you're a
forty year old woman who lives in Auckland blah blah blah,

(01:30:16):
and you know, I don't know that kind of demographic information.
Maybe maybe some in third financial information like are you
loaded or are you not? Whatever. The thing about it is,
how many of us were signed up to flybys is
quite amazing the numbers, right, two point nine million of
us signed up to flybys. That is seventy four percent
of the country's households. Now that data, that is a

(01:30:38):
lot of data. That data will be worth a lot
of money. Now, they haven't said that they're going to
sell it, but they haven't said they're not going to
sell it. And this has got some people who care
about data and stuff a little bit like, ooh, are
they going to sell it not? And the reason that
they're asking this question is because it's happened before. Just
last month, the DNA ancestry company twenty three and me

(01:30:58):
filed for bankruptcy and the genetic data that they held
that was put up for sale as an asset. So
the idea that you sell data is not too crazy, right,
So there's a possibility this happens now until they actually
say whether they're gonna do it or not. I'm not
terribly stressed about it, to be honest, because you know what,
our data's out there anyway when you hand our data
out to Facebook for free and Instagram and stuff. So

(01:31:20):
if you if you're handing you your data to Google,
you can hardly be all that stressed out of Flyby
starts unselling your data. But can I be honest with you,
it is how annoyed are you when all of a
sudden you know someone sold your data, because all of
a sudden you get like five spam emails into your
inbox going hi, Heather, yo should buy this? And you're like,
where'd you get where you email address from? And you

(01:31:41):
just know somebody sold you and it's just like, it's
not the end of the world. I'm not I'm not
not gonna like privacy commissioner. You're like, oh, you know,
like drama biometric information. Not worried about it. It's just
a fath, isn't it, Because now you know you're gonna
get this blinking email every few weeks and it's gonna
sit there and clog up young mbox now you need
to go and find the unsubscribed the bottom of the

(01:32:02):
email and unsubscribe and tell them I never signed up
to this. This is why it's just like time is
just irritating. So anyway, it's not the end of the world,
but Flybys, if you could please just not sell it
because I cannot be bother dealing with the emails that
are an income, that would be really great.

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
Thanks.

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Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
The brady Are UK correspondence with us into Hello.

Speaker 9 (01:32:35):
Hey Hea, They're great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Now what do you make of this UK Supreme Court
ruling on women?

Speaker 9 (01:32:41):
It's huge for anyone who hasn't seen this. The headline
in the Daily Telegraph here today spells it out very bluntly.
Trans women are not women. That is the upshot of
this ruling. It's the highest court in the land. Obviously,
the debate has been going on for years, if not
decades at this stage, but we now have it in law.
So this case was brought ultimately by a very gender

(01:33:05):
critical feminist group called four Women Scotland. They took it
against the government. It's ended up all the way to
the Supreme Court and five judges have studied all the
arguments and they say that you were a woman based
on what you were born with your biological sex, So
trans women are not women. Now, away from the whole

(01:33:26):
kind of debate and society and the media, this will
have very significant impact for organizations across the country, from
businesses to sporting organizations, shared office space, bathrooms. It's very
very significant.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Do you think it will actually impet shade spaces and bathrooms? Like,
is it actually going to go into that.

Speaker 9 (01:33:51):
I think this is just maybe the first kilometer of
a marathon. But by the time this law ruling shakes down,
I think every business and every organization in the UK
will absolutely have to abide by this because if they don't,
they will then find themselves in court and there will
be people citing this ruling as the basis of their argument.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Interesting trendstabad has really swung quite heavily from one extreme
to the other in recent years, hasn't it. I mean,
it wasn't that long ago where this kind of conversation
will be a big no no and quite taboo, and
it's now swung very much in favor of susgendered women here.

Speaker 9 (01:34:27):
Yeah, look, it's a huge debate, it's very volatile at times,
and certainly keep away from social media, Honus. You can
see all the people who are weighing in. But look
my own personal take, Heather, it's a short life.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Just try and be happy, yeah, try and be kind
as well. Okay, listen, So I see the Ministry of
Defenses bend all the Chinese made vehicles. What's the problem, spye.

Speaker 9 (01:34:53):
They're worried about espionage and you just wonder. You know,
we're well into twenty twenty five now. These Chinese vehicles
and vehicles with Chinese components have been in the UK
for a long time, and military staff and personnel have
been driving them the same as any other citizen for
a long time. And we only find out today that
they've just recently banned them from mod sites. One particular

(01:35:17):
site is so sensitive people having Chinese vehicles have been
told to park two miles away. So the feeling is
that you know, they're they're tracking military personnel's movements. What
else is in these vehicles. You know, it's front page
news here today. But my only question is why has
it taken so long? We found out the weekend China's

(01:35:38):
game plan with British steel was to run it into
the ground. You know, all this Chinese investment we're seeing,
I think belatedly people in London and Westminster starting to
realize the China may not meet our friends after all.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Interesting, very very interesting. Hey, thanks very much, and they
really appreciate it. In the Brady, A happy Easter to
you in the Brady, our UK correspondent. Listen Chloe Swallbrick. Okay,
so it was an watching the old Benjamin Doyle Bussy
debate when I was on maternity leave. And it's been
interesting watching Chloe since then, because have you watched Chloe
since then? That's right, You've hardly heard anything from Chloe

(01:36:12):
or seen Chloe anywhere? Right am I? Right now? That
would be I think that this is the impression that
I've been left with just watching what's gone on. I
think Chloe has finally been exposed to some degree. Look,
Chloe Schoolbrick is an extremely talented politician, exceptional at what
she does, right, But eventually every single person who is

(01:36:33):
exceptional at their job will have a moment where they
are tested and it's the question of whether they can
rise to meet that moment or not. And I think
that was Chloe's big test, is here was something where
a lot of people are going to have an opinion
because a lot of us are parents, and we care
about children and we want to see that children are
not getting into weird and icky situations and stuff like that.

(01:36:53):
And Chloe is not a parent. Chloe is a young
woman who is incredible at her job, but she is
not a parent, and I think that's where where things
kind of became a bit unstuck for her, because she
came to the defense of the Rainbow community and so
it's really weird stuff to try to cover for one
of her MP's and the rest of us, including the
Rainbow community, went mm nah, not call around the kids anyway.

(01:37:17):
So I just notice, I just think that that this
is the first kind, I think, the first significant time
we've seen Chloe completely misjudge a situation, and I think
that is why probably you're not hearing anything from Chloe
at the moment. And I don't think it's the end
of her political career by any kind of stretch.

Speaker 14 (01:37:33):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
I think it's just a tiny little speed bump in
her assunsion because I think she is very, very good
at what she does. But I think we found out
where Chloe's weak spot is, which is, yeah, doesn't understand,
doesn't understand anything about kids. Seven Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Five Away from seven. Now, no answants to play his music.
But before he plays his music, which he's been thinking
about all day, It's taken all day to think about it.
He's very very excited.

Speaker 7 (01:38:06):
An easy job, Heather, But I think I do all right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
You do do it now. You do an excellent job.
You'd have to, given how long you've been thinking about it. Anyway,
I told you yesterday that Wellington Remember we were talking
yesterday about how Wellington Water was offering free skincare checks
for staff and got a few text people like I
don't want to spend and I said, look, I think
it's kind of normal. Well, guess what arrived in my
n box today, High team. We're really excited. This is
from the bosses. By the way, we're really excited to

(01:38:29):
be teaming up with the Skin Institute to bring free
skin cancer spot checks at Auckland Central on Wednesday, thirtieth
of April on Level one, making it easier than ever
to stay on top of your skin health. And Laura,
the Germans already booked in, and I'm going to book
in because I'm going to take its free. See it's normal,
it is not. We don't even work outdoors. How did
we qualify for this, Laura? We work indoors. Anyway, whatever,

(01:38:51):
I'm not going to complain ants.

Speaker 7 (01:38:52):
What do you got another one from yesterday here that we'
of course had that infamous note that was left on
the bonnet of the Beatle and the person was complaining of.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
The dak Shane Curry.

Speaker 7 (01:39:01):
Yeah, Shane Curry has picked the story up here, just
picked it right. And I thought, since I slagged Nick
Mills off yesterday, I better get to the bottom of this.
And Nick Mills has submitted a handwriting sample. I got
him to write NICKI Minaj and I can say Nick
is definitely innocent. And his producer, he thing Grippits to
write ad ay handwriting sample as well. According to Shane's article,
we are really free with the n z ME notepads.

(01:39:21):
Apparently we just hand them out to everyone. So that's
the one that's going out, is that it could be
anybody because we just were Apparently it's just the easiest
thing in the world to get hold off. Anyone need
a notepad. It was a lady's handwriting, though, wasn't it.
No Ethan's for handwriting, Ethan Griffeth's third next producer, It
wasn't that far off, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
But he got a lady's handwriting.

Speaker 7 (01:39:39):
Well, just the way he looped the g was. I
was like, oh, hang on, here we go. We've got him.
But the m's were all wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Yeah. Women's handwriting is often called fluihy, isn't it, And
men's just like blip, like pedestrian, like a block.

Speaker 7 (01:39:51):
Anyway, I Brick and aber By Lady Gaga to play
us out tonight because she was the one everyone was
talking about after the first weekend of Coachella. So if
you've got nothing to do over the weekend, the live
stream should start it all an am on Saturday. It's
all running on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Hey, safe driving this Easter, Stay safe on the roads,
look after yourselves, and eat heaps of chocolate. See you
on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
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