Full Show Podcast: 18 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the Spence Spence to find the real story.
Or he's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be good afternoon, just gone seven after four. The
deal between the Cooks and China has just dropped. We'll
give you details on that, Sir Brian Roach on this
report into departments sharing our data. The PM's open to
sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine. Ron Mark reacts. Stuart Nash
and Morris Williamson on the Huddle. Plus, we'll look at
the RBA's rate cut ahead of our expected one tomorrow.

(00:34):
Ryan Bridge, Well, it's been a long time coming, but
finally we have our hands on another Roach report, This
one the Public Service Commission, looking at whether census and
vaccination data which was handed out to third parties like
the Mony Day Women I and the White Pardata Trust,
was used improperly. In other words, was it used for

(00:55):
something other than what was intended. The claim from some
was that it was you to help the Maori Party
get more voters out at the last election. This report
doesn't tell us if that happened. It does tell us
we've been badly let down by our government agencies. They've

(01:15):
handed out the data, but they didn't have the checks
and balances in place to make sure it wasn't being
used for something dodgy. So basically we know the data
was out there, we don't know what happened to it afterwards,
and that is a problem. The election result for Tammaki
Mikoto was tight, like it was really close, Taka taime
Ian and Natasha Kemp, who's the Maori Party candidate. Now

(01:38):
Mp was the winning candidate, but also the boss of
the Marai that got some of the data, John Tomaheady
is the boss of the Wipadata Trust but also the
Maori Party president. And because we don't have answers to
what happened after we let go of the data, we
don't know what we don't know, and this is a

(01:58):
big problem. It goes to the heart of the integrity
of our electoral system and this election result and the
Electoral Commission now needs to answer some pretty tough questions
about that now. Brian wrote said today that the White
Parator Trust didn't meet with the Public Service Commission over
this report at all. They would only do so in

(02:19):
writing via lawyers so there will be more to come
on this story. We can be sure of that. And
in the meantime they've announced a funding frees. They're turning
the money off Health New Zealand and to Perny Corkidy
have been told do not give any more money to
the MARA, to wie Parata or to Farno Order's Commissioning

(02:40):
Agency until they can prove that they don't have conflicts
of interests and that they can properly handle private data.
Nine minutes after four here on News Talk seb more
on that later, in fact, we'll speak to sir. Brian
wrote after five. Now in Wellington, some patients have been
declined specialist appointments based on their BMI. According to reports.

(03:03):
Several local gps say this is happening at Wellington Hospital
and they worry that it's being done to manage waiting lists.
The chief clinical officer at Health inz is Richard Sullivant.
He's with me this afternoon. Hi, Richard.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, cure, Brian, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Things? Is this true?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Look Ryan, So the thing to talk through this so
it's not well, what's not true is we're not using
what we call body mass index, which is a really
combination of someone's height and weight to manage wait list.
So that's absolutely not true. The body mass index is
one of many tools that we do use for says

(03:42):
somewhat and sup to belief for surgery, but not its
own account.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So are you turning people away? I mean that surgery
is one thing, right, but getting to a specialist is
quite another. Are you stopping people from seeing a specialist
because too you know they're overweight.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
So based on their weight alone, No, there are criterias
I say around you know, within different areas. So for instance,
if you need any replacement degree of damage to than
any joint, other illnerses someone they had to decide on
whether someone go to search or not. There are different
criteria across the country about accessing to be seen and

(04:22):
that is something we are blackling as healthy elements, so
trying to make sure what we were turned thresholds are the
same across all our districts. They are not at the moment,
so that.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
What's it like in Wellington? Here's a question, have you
turned anyone away from seeing a specialist based on their BMI?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
So from what I understand that there are different criteria
in Wellington versus HUT Hospital. They are the same organization,
but they do have different criteria for people who who
should be seen. And you're all one?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Are You're all one?

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Now?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So I guess I'm asking in ither hospital has anyone
been turned away because of their BMI?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Not my knowledge specifically on their BMI. People have been
declined assistance because of multiple reasons, but not purely just
on their BMI.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Because there was a letter on the post today from
the hospital that declined based on BMI. Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
So we're just don't gather up the communications we're sending
out to patients because it's really important day that our
communities you have trust in us and know that, No,
we don't decline people purely based on weight, that it's
multiple factors. But we are just looking into the communication
that we are sending and to your point, you know,
as a single organization, we should have consistent communication with

(05:38):
our patients constant criteria.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
There was a mistake. I mean, were there in this case?
Were there are other reasons other than BMI which led
to them being declined.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I don't have partails of that particular case. We're looking
into that particular case, but I can assure you that
as one of many factors when we make these choices.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Is there a case to be made for declining people
the right to see a specialist if their BMI is
too high? I mean, if they're not going to be
able to qualify for surgery, then are you not wanting
to clog the weight lists you know, all the way
down the track?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Great question. So look, I think everyone who should be seen,
where they even need to be seen, should be seen.
There are very key criteria though around the benefit. So
there are some surgeries whereby some people's weight or BMI
is extremely high, they get a poor outcome, so it's
not the right thing to do to operate. But that's

(06:36):
a conversation that patients aren't fine and obviously deserves to
be aware of. So yeah, there's no doubt that the
BMI is one of the clinical tools we used to
assess people's fitness. Is Schidrey and will be. We do
need to get better and you know the aising with
our GPS to ensure that it's clear about where that

(06:58):
sets weird doesn't sit. I think that's an area we
need to do betteran so that patients know and we
set the right expectations.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, all right, Hey, are you going to quit New
Time soon? Most of your colleagues seemed to be.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, not at all. It's a critical role, hey, de
deliver healthcare for New Zealanders and I'm certainly in the
long haul.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Doesn't feel like a sinking ship.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
No, no, Look, you know we've got some great stuff
happening in health and we provide really great healthcare in
many years. That's not to say we've got don't have
your as for improvement. We absolutely need to improve access
to killy, you know, in this context for people who
are waiting to be seen by a specials or waiting
for suitable treatment. So these are big focuses for us
to improve.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well handled. Richard Sutherland Sullivan, thank you very much for
being on the show. And he's the Health New Zealand
Chief Clinical officer with us this afternoon talking B and I.
Fourteen minutes after FOURIGN News Talk said, be Hallberg's tonight,
who's going to win Darcy? Next?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's the Heather du Bussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (08:03):
News TALKSB seventeen after four. Great to have your company.
Lots of your text will get to those shortly. Also,
Ks Starmer's come out after that meeting in Paris and
said a few things. I'll get you, got some audio
to play for you shortly. Right now, they were going
to Darcy Watergrave, sports talk host. Hey Darcy, Hello, we've
got some late breaking news. Leil McDonald has a new job.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, his first coaching position since he departed the All Blacks.
Remember last August he was supposed to be doing a
whole big team thing with Razor Robinson. It's going to
be lovely and then Suddeny's gone out the door and
we still really don't know what happened then, but that's
the way it rolls. But this has been reported by
Liam Napier, rugby writer in the New Zealand Herald. It

(08:44):
was like five tests in that he disappeared something working
with Razor. But now it is looking like he is
off to join the Western Force Director of rugby role.
He's gonna work with Simon kron Is head coach another KIWI.
So he's climbed on that. What that means later on

(09:07):
and the piece maybe that just helps him move on
into a prime position to take over Joe Schmidt's role
as the head coach of the Wallabies when he retires
from that, because he said he's upping sticks at the
end of the Rugby Championship. So maybe just maybe.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Mich because it's not exactly it's not the shining light
of jobs.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
No, it's not.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
And you can get a look and an idea about
how Australian rugby works and what the mechanics are behind
OSI rugby and just start moving in. Whether that is
the case or not, I don't know. It's all about conjecture,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (09:46):
This is the.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Does going well? Maybe maybe maybe I wonder do.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
You think you've got to pay out when you left your.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
Six figures apparently? Well that's that's what that's I don't
know if there is an Australian appetite though for another
New Zealand coke. No, I really don't think I made
not one of those shaggy Islanders.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
That Halberg's tonight Lydia Cogan to win. Well, I mean,
are you who do you have a pick?

Speaker 6 (10:13):
No, it'll be someone who's won an Olympic medal, because
that's normally the way this role is. So that's an
Olympic year, someone who wins an Olympic gold wins the Hellbergs.
It's almost like written in stone.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I was listening to you earlier talk about how hard
it is to judge between the different sports. I mean,
how do you compare them?

Speaker 7 (10:31):
You can't. It's impossible.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
If someone can give me a decent argument, I listen,
I'm all ears.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
But after I want to say it, nearly a quarter
of a century doing.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
This, I still haven't had anyone give me a convincing
argument as to why the Hellberg's works.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Have you passed a ceremony? Have you in those twenty
five years picked the right horse?

Speaker 7 (10:55):
No, I've never indulged in it. I don't see the point.
It's not a competition.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's just not.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
There's no form going into it, no reason mean.

Speaker 6 (11:04):
To dress up in suits because we've not advanced, which
I find fascinating that women get to wear these amazing
clothes and the blokes just turn up.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, hang on, no, it's twenty twenty five. You can
wear whatever you want. If you want to go there
and we're addressed, you can do it.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
If they were going to invite me next year and
I'm going to go along, I'm gonna wear what Kanye
West's wife war to the Grammys good.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't think you'd make it look as good, Darcy somehow,
thank you for that.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
We will thank you. And Michael Burgess joins us tonight
on the show to look at the possible tweaking of
our set awards, just to see you can lift it
and put it forward.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Into the twenty and we'll look forward to listening but
not seeing you later, Darky. Thank you. Darsie wauter Grave
post to Sports Talk seven pm the Halberg's tonight. We'll
let you know if we have any results through it early,
but I think we might be off here by then.
Darcy will have more. Twenty one after Ford and News
Talk said b.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I'm gonna getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither Duplice Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
News Dogs'd be four twenty three Peter's text in to
weigh in on the Hallbergs which are being held tonight.
He says it's easy to judge between the sports, the
ones that have the greater worldwide appeal of superior to
the ones were only three or four nations play. On
that basis he reckons Lydia Cooe should get it. She
was worldwide news and headlines. The rest of them, well,
they didn't achieve that. It's a good point, Peter. I'm

(12:29):
not sure that they'll take that into account tonight. But
although in saying that, I do think Lydia Coe will
take out the top of the Supreme Award, what I'm
basing that on is very little, to be honest with you.
Now here's Starmer. He's been to see all the Europeans
in Paris, and he's off to see Trump next week,
and I think he sees himself as a bit of
a go between between Trump and a very miffed and

(12:51):
peeved off EU. This is over Ukraine, of course, he says,
and we told you this yesterday, he would put troops
on the ground in Ukraine to and you know, ensure peace.
Yes to that. But today he is saying they need
a US backstop.

Speaker 9 (13:07):
But there must be a US backstop because a US
security guarantee is the only way to effectively deter Russia
from attacking Ukraine again.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now, he hasn't actually defined what he means by a backstop.
Some reading between the lines have said, well, he probably
means air cover, logistics, you know, air defenses, intelligence, that
kind of stuff from the Americans which they would need
in order to make that thing successful. I mean, they
still have a long way to go in terms of
there is no deal yet anyway, you know, there's that problem.

(13:40):
But anyway, there you go, Starma, the man between Europe
and the White House. Apparently Labor has come up with
an idea today. It's not a new idea, so I
shouldn't say they've come up with it, but I kind
of like the idea that Barbara Edmonds, whose Labour's finance spokeswoman,
is out there floating ideas. This is good, This is
good because we need discussions. So Electra's the prices are

(14:01):
a problem.

Speaker 10 (14:01):
We know this.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
The winter crunch comes along, the wholesale spot prices go
up through the roof and everybody's shickered. So Barbara Evans
came out today on the Caucus runs and suggested that
maybe we force the gen tailors, the ones that the
government owns the majority of, that we force them to
reinvest their dividends into new generation rather than paying the

(14:23):
government the dividend. Now great to have an idea on
the table, The idea of course is that you have
new generation, and therefore you fill some of the voids
and you avoid the winter crunch. Will it work Genesis, Mercury, Meridian.
They all pay a dividend to the government, and they
all have a government majority stake. And you can do
this just by writing a letter. You just write a

(14:45):
letter of expectation to the board and tell them what
you want them to do. So thoughts on that nine
two ninety two is the number to text. The obvious
problem of courses that you strip the government of revenue,
you know, at a time where they're trying to I'm
out of the read so that would be a problem
that you would immediately foresee that the government wouldn't like.

(15:06):
But there you go. The numbers text are very sober
here with politics, I'm sure he'll have something on that
as well as the deal between the Cooks and China.
We have it. We'll tell you what Senate shortly news talks.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
He'd be jet call a phoney j We can break
it in if you know, person, We could break in.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Person.

Speaker 12 (15:40):
We do break in.

Speaker 13 (15:41):
If you know.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Put some Mason.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story it's Ryan Bridge on hither dupicl and
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 14 (15:57):
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Twenty five away from five year on news talks, they'd be.
The Aussies are just cut their official cash rate by
zero point two twenty five basis points down to four
point one. Murray Olds is going to be with us
in a second to break that down is what they
were expecting over there. Of course they've had an easier
time than us because their reserve bank didn't quite go
as hard and fast as ours did so but this

(16:32):
is their first cut, so they will be happy about that.
And I tell you who we'll be happier as Anthony
one Anthony Albanizi twenty five to five.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Kirstarma has called on European leaders to step up and
increase their defense spending. It's after threats from America from
the White House after meetings with Russia.

Speaker 9 (16:53):
US is not going to leave later, but we Europeans
will have to do more. The issue of burden sharing
is not new, but it is now pressing and Europeans
will have to step up both in terms of spending
and the capabilities that we provide.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
The Pope's still in hospital. Here's the latest on.

Speaker 15 (17:14):
That doctors caring for the Pope have changed the course
of treatment because of what the Vatican described as a
complex clinical situation. The eighty eight year old Pope was
admitted with bronchitis four days ago, and the Vatican said
he would remain there for as long as necessary.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Right stateside, we're going now. Elon Musk has spoken to
Hennity on Fox about dealing with Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
It's called like Trump durrangement syndrome.

Speaker 16 (17:38):
And if it was like a nice quiet dinner and
everything was everyone's behavior normally I have to mention the
president's name, and it was like they got shot with
a dart in the jugular that contained like methamphetamine and rabies. Okay, wow,
I'm like, what is right? Guys like you just can't
have like a normal conversation.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
To Canada, a Delta Airlines plane has lipped on its
head in Toronto.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
This is an active investigation. It's very early on.

Speaker 12 (18:05):
It's really important that we do not speculate. What we
can see is a runway was dry, and there is
no christ wind conditions. We also want to give an update.
We can now confirm that eighteen injured passengers have been
transported to the local area hospitals.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Finally, this afternoon, scientists have revealed if you're shaking your
wee booty right now, well it's actually quite good for you.
Scientists revealing that dancing around the kitchen for twenty minutes
can help people reach their weekly exercise targets. Seriously depends
how hard you're dancing and what sort of dancing as well,

(18:42):
if you're line dancing, not quite. I wouldn't have thought quite.
As you know, it doesn't require as much exertion as
you know, hip hop something like that. Anyway, Esther McCulloch,
and expert in the North of Eastern University in the US,
real that the aim of this study was to find
more straightforward ways for people to the active results, showing
that it can be just as effective as a gym membership.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
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Speaker 2 (19:11):
Murray Oldiers will as Astralia correspondent. You'll be dancing with
the RBA decision Murray.

Speaker 17 (19:16):
Well, yes, very good. Afternoon, Ryan, A lot of people
will be very happy. I mean, it's not a lot
of money. If you've got a six hundred thousand dollars
mortgage over here, it'll cut your repayments by about one
hundred bucks a month. But since the bank began lifting
rates before the twenty twenty two election, repayments on that
same mortgage have risen by nearly fifteen hundred bucks a month.

(19:38):
So you're going to be saving one hundred down off
that high of fifteen hundred. I mean, this interest a
big your pardon. The official cash rate over here was
at a thirteen year high, and it's been there, you know,
for four years. It's been a long, long, long time.
Just about every economist over here said the board would
cut rates. Inflation was easing significant the December quarter was

(20:02):
two point four. That was the annual rate, the underlying
rate of inflation, which is the one the Reserve Bank
looks at most closely because it strips out all the
volatile things. That was three point two, marginally outside the
two to three percent band the reserve banks looking for.
So yes, interest rate cuts on the way here. It
won't be the first this year. That's what they're all

(20:24):
saying Anthony Albanezi very happy. Indeed, it's a bit of
a spring in his step given the awful opinion polls
of recent days. And you know, for I suppose sentiment,
I mean, the country has been flatters attacked, notwithstanding good
job figures, and a lot of people have been balancing
on a knife's edge around the kitchen tables of the country.

(20:45):
So this is good news, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, absolutely, and instated first in a very long time,
this video that we would lead our news actually led
our six o'clock news over here in New Zealand of
the Sydney nurses who were saying, oh you will just,
you know, let the Israelis die basically or or even
kill them in hospital. And you've had some blowback from
Muslim groups, Well we have.

Speaker 17 (21:07):
I don't know what you thought. I saw that video,
and I saw it the number of times I felt
sick in the guts. But they looked like a couple
of young, dumb buffheads who were almost showing off to
each other and trying to hit this Israeli guy who
was playing him like a fiddle. That was my initial take.
Having said that, I mean, it was disgraceful, the fet
the governments of all levels. We're busy slapping these kids

(21:30):
silly and know they've been sacked as nurses won't work
in New South Wales again, so predictably, almost as a
coalition of Australian Muslim groups who have said this is
all about manufactured outrage on the part of those that
were upset by the video. These Muslim groups have put
out a statement saying quote it condemns the hypocrisy over
the video where I'm here, it's calculated, politically motivated outrage.

(21:55):
It's not a failure of consistency, it's the deliberate engineering
of public morality. The frustration and anger directed at Israel,
because of course that's what the nurses were saying. We
don't like Israel, and Israelis will be killed or targeted
if they come into my hospital bedrooms. The frustration and
anger directed in Israel's direct response to Israel's violent and

(22:16):
inhumane policies. It's not an expression of hatred, of hatred
towards Jewish people. Well, you can split hairs and you're like,
this is going to go down like a lead balloon
just about everywhere. It's it's almost sad in a way
that these bizzont grips have felt compelled to come out
and say these things. I don't forget one of them.
His book Tahia is actually banned in the UK. It's

(22:40):
on the edge. It's pretty extreme. So this is, as
you say, blowback Ryan from the outrage it was expressed
a week ago.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You've got this problem. We have this problem here too,
the e bikes and the scooters catching fire because of
the batteries. But quite a bad one in wester of Sydney.

Speaker 17 (22:55):
Oh, dreadful last night. While earlier this morning six o'clock,
there were six young people in a rented property in
the western suburbs of Sydney at Guilford. They think it's
an e scooter. They have to do more forensic testing
of the of the of the house, what's left of
the house. But five of the residents got out alive.
It looks like the sixth a young man was trapped

(23:17):
in his bedroom and the dreadful feeling is that perhaps
he was charging his e scooter in the bedroom. The
things caught fire. What fire and safety officers over here,
firefighters have been saying for for months and months and months,
it's like a thermal runaway fire. It's not something you
can put out with a cup of water. This thing
takes on a life of its own and you simply

(23:40):
can't put him out. And if the scooter that's blazing
away is between you and the only door out of
the room, it's not going to end well for you.
And so that's why they're saying, if you're going to
charge these things, charge them outside, Charge them, not in
a exit route out of the home or out of
the property where you are. It's the third death in

(24:00):
New South Wales that's now being attributed to these things.
But have we listen to this three fires and sitting
in the last twenty four hours well in them fatal
twenty eight fires and ten injuries this year alone, and
more than three hundred e scooter or e bike fires
last year. But it's not just big batteries. There's one
thousand files a month last year from electric toothbrushes, from

(24:22):
things like Kenny's Toys. They've got these batteries in they
go out in the recycling and in the rubbish and
there catching fire in rubbish recycling centers or in the
back of rubbish trucks. It's a very big problem. Not
sure how they're going to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
To be frank, No, it sounds like it's getting a
little out of hand. Murray, thank you for that. Murray
Old's Australia correspondent with US just confirming the RBA has
cut their first time since twenty twenty, that the Reserve
Bank of Australia has cut their official cash. Right over there,
we're expecting ours. Of course tomorrow we'll have Brad Olsen
on that after sixth this evening coming up next. Why
has the boss of stats n Z decided to leave?

(24:58):
And was it his decision?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Barry So politics with centrics credit, check your customers and
get payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Fourteen to five, all the secrecy, all of the hiding
behind the diplomacy, and finally we have our hands on
this comprehensive strategic partnership between the Cooks and China. Barry Spacy, Hey, Barry.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
And it has to be put into some perspective, doesn't
it really?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Ryan?

Speaker 14 (25:19):
That the Cork Hmans has a population of well under
twenty thousand people. China has a population of one point
four billion people. The Cooks is about the size population wise,
or smaller than Levin. So it's like China doing a
deal with livi In. And why on earth Mark Brown,

(25:40):
the Prime Minister of the Cooks, has kept this deal secret.
Goodness only knows either it is creating trouble because it
is an insult in New Zealand. We do have an
agreement with the Cork Islands to be open and frank
with New Zealand about their dealings internationally. They are part
of a row are the the New Zealand realm, which

(26:01):
basically means we both have as head of stake King
King Charles. So no big deal, but I've read of
skim read the deal if they if the Chinese are
trying to win the hearts and minds of the Cork Islanders,
China has agreed to continue to supply scholarship opportunities to

(26:22):
the Corks and they'll make every endeavor to take them up.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
That's the Cork Island.

Speaker 14 (26:26):
China will continue to promote the Chinese language by Cork
Islanders and they're providing they'll provide teaching resources within the
Corks to teach them Chinese.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
See the thing is I mean you mentioned Levin. Levin
doesn't need a new port being built for you know
what I mean.

Speaker 14 (26:45):
The infrastructure has been built by the Chinese in the
Cork Islands now for some considerable time.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, but this looks to me. I mean, the thing
that worries me, the only thing that worries me about
this agreement is the mention of one belt one road,
which is you know, the old Silk the new Silk
road they're looking at, so, I mean, are they wanting
to put the cooks on it?

Speaker 13 (27:04):
You know.

Speaker 14 (27:05):
The thing is you look at the the Pacific was
ignored by the United States for quite a long time.
The Chinese influence in the Court, not in mccox, in
the Pacific nationhood has been essentially taken up by the Chinese.
So they are much more influence influence in the Pacific

(27:27):
than they once were.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
But that's you'd have to look at the reasons for that.

Speaker 14 (27:32):
New Zealand's doing its best now to reestablish itself, but
doesn't have the money unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
That China has a lot of big reports out today
which we've been you know, skimming our way through the
Public Service Commission report and we've had a addis into
the vaccines and the census Darnam. We've had the state
stats in z boss fall on his sword.

Speaker 14 (27:52):
Yes, Sir Mark Soden, he's going at the end of marches,
which is when his contract ends. I'm not sure there
has been told to Walker. I suspect that is the case.
Brian Roach, who I know very well, probably said to him, Look, come,
it's not a good look for the public service. This
too many gaps, not enough checks and balances, and of

(28:14):
course you've got the Maldi Party right at.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
The center of this.

Speaker 14 (28:17):
What this inquiry didn't do though, and it's important to
note that it didn't look at the validity of the
specific allegations that have been made against the Maldi Party.
That's being locked at by the Privacy Commissioner and by
the police, and they are the critical ones when it
comes to politics and all of this. But certainly the

(28:38):
public service generally has been found wanting. And I know
you're going to be talking to Brian Roach and you'll
know how to repeat those comments.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
The Green's been a bit silly in parliament.

Speaker 14 (28:49):
Oh honestly, Ryan, I thought, if you really want to
know how ridiculous the Greens can come, it can be
when it comes to parliament. Whether New Zealand should be
rugging up over winter or letting the lights go off.
Here's Chloe Swarbrick answering asking Chris lux in a question

(29:11):
that obviously falls into the category of knowing the answer
before it's asked, but then later compounding it in my
view with just plain silliness.

Speaker 18 (29:19):
Does extracting and burning coal make climate change better or worse?

Speaker 19 (29:24):
Well, I'd just say having an oil and gas band
that that member signed up for, which has led us
to import in huge amounts of Indonesian coal to keep
our lights on, we would like it to be gas
because that's better than coal and we're not going to
have the situation we had last winter.

Speaker 20 (29:38):
The honorable change on can the Prime Minister confirm as
a consequence of the cancellation of the oil and gas industry,
over one million dollars worth of coal will be important
from Indonesia to enable people to actually enjoy energy security
this year.

Speaker 19 (29:51):
Absolutely, and again it wouldn't need to be that way
if the previous government had a proper energy policy instead
of a bumper stigger.

Speaker 18 (29:57):
Why does the Prime Minister think that? Roadca, former Chair
of the Climate Change Commission, and his final hearing before
this Parliament, said that those who promote the combustion of
fossil fuels are quote commission crimes against humanity in quote god.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Rid to him.

Speaker 19 (30:15):
I mean, this is an outrageous conversation we're actually having
here because this country needs to grow.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
We need to have economic growth.

Speaker 19 (30:22):
The Greens not for economic growth.

Speaker 14 (30:24):
Honestly, I mean, you know, I just thought it's worth
playing that just to show how silly this argument can become.
She actually even said us Chris likeson whether coal was
a mineral, and I don't think he knew actually it's
a fossil fuel. But if you look it up, if
you look up what coal consists of, there are minerals

(30:46):
in coals.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's on our minerals list. Now we can probably sneak
it in there. Surely fascinating, that isn't it. I mean
it's that sort of level of debate we're either with
us or you know, you're an arts kind of Well no,
that's exactly.

Speaker 14 (31:02):
It's just nonsense.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And this is Cloie Sawbrook using the electricity that's generated
by cold yes.

Speaker 14 (31:07):
Vibration, flying from Auckland every week to go to Parliament,
burning carbon credits.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So every time she gets on a planet's a crime
against humanity?

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Exactly got it?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
So, senior political correspondent, News Talks. He'd be seven to five.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
All the big names are wrong. The Mike hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's time for catch up. Whether I will make Graham
Norton has headed our wife? What ab used to be
a growing number of shows in this country? Or do
you have that nervousness when you talk to an agent
going how many shows? How big a haul? How many tickets?

Speaker 21 (31:37):
You know, all that stuff you do, because most of
the stuff I do, it's quite a passive thing to consume.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know, you turn on a radio or you turn
on a TV.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
This you've got the actively go online, reach into your wallet.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's a much bigger it. You can quite like me
without thinking I need to leave my coat to spend
two hours. Yeah, you're always there, as expect tomorrow at
six am, The Mike asking Breakfast with the rain drove
of the last News Talk ZEDB four to five on
News Talk ZB. So the cooks in China, this deal
that's been done. We have a copy of the deal,

(32:11):
and already we're finding and hearing about things that weren't
in it, including a one off grant. This is according
to a local outfit in the Cook Islands, a one
off grant of about four million dollars that China will
pay to the Cook Islands. Thank you Mark Brown for
your visit. There's four million a call, four million dollars
for you. And I guess this reporter is more about
what's not in it, you know? Is this just the

(32:31):
sanitized version that the press is getting today? They say
Mark Brown has said in the coming months, in the
coming years, there may be some projects that we can formalize.
So have they done a spit in a handshake on
a few things that we're not quite aware of yet?
I would say probably anyway, Winston will go and sort
it out, won't he. After six this evening we're going

(32:53):
to talk about this green bonus for our dairy farmers.
How much extra will they get? Is it worth it?
Coming up next afternoons, it's sir Brian Roach on the
report out of Parliament today.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Today.

Speaker 22 (33:14):
Oh aren't you on? Need you olga ah need?

Speaker 13 (33:21):
It's beautiful season? Are questions, answers, facts analysis? The drive
show you trust for the full picture? Brian Bridge on
Heather Duplicy allan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Good evening it. At seven after five, news Talk said,
be Government agencies have been caught doing a bit of
a spray and walk away with personal data. So the
State Services Commission has a report out today and it's
found that public service agencies shared personal information of us
kiwi's with third party agencies without any safeguards. Stats N
zed health end Z the Minister of Health all and

(34:00):
for a bolocking. So Brian Wroaches the State Service Commissioner,
he's with me this evening. Good evening, Good ending, Ryan,
the Manurobamri, the wipe Art of Trust and the Pharo
Order Commissioning Agency. Can they be trusted with public money?

Speaker 23 (34:17):
Yes, they currently have public money. I think the issue
that was highlighted in the review that we were found
to not have all of the protections in place that
we need in a new operating environment, and that's what
we're seeking to change.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
So will will they get public money going forward?

Speaker 23 (34:37):
I think so that's very much an issue for the agencies.
My jurisdiction is actually how the agencies provides money to
suit parties. I don't have a direct relationship with those,
but the principle that we're adopting here is that when
you are in receipt of public money, there is a
duty of care and obligation to the taxpayer to have

(34:57):
certain minimum standards around it on art to sharing and
conflicts of interest management.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
And this report shows that some pretty big government agencies
didn't have those.

Speaker 23 (35:09):
This report does show that, as I've said publicly, this
is a very sobering report to read, that it was
unacceptable what was done. We left open the fact that
public that private information could have been compromised. That's just
an unacceptable thing from where I sit. What's the consequence, Well,

(35:31):
the consequences the Chief Executive has decided, you know, to
not renew as contract. That's a very high sanction. The
other consequences are that we are going to change the
way that we contract with third parties and we will
impose certain standards on them. We will be open to
criticism as being bureaucratic. We are not being bureaucratic. We

(35:54):
are just being clear about the duty of care required
on people who access is public money to discharge services.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And this is what I was getting at before. So
in the case of Manydowa Marian, the Wipe Data Trust,
going forward, will they be able to get contracts or
do they have to prove something to departments before they
can do that.

Speaker 23 (36:16):
They, like all other people who receive money, will have
to actually comply with the new contract standards, which we
hope to be operative from one July. That will be
a decision for them whether they choose to do that
or not. That is not something for me to decide.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And what is the requirement around conflicts of interest in
your new standards?

Speaker 23 (36:38):
We just want greater transparency and the ability to follow
the trail to assure ourselves that when you've got public money,
you have a duty of care to maintain certain standards.
Conflicts of interests is one of them. I think that
is a very very generally accepted contractual requirement.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Is it appropriate to have the boss of an agent
the receiving money also the president of a political party.

Speaker 23 (37:05):
We live in a very small country where people have
multiple roles. Ultimately, that's the matter for the agency who
is contracting them to satisfy themselves.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
On This has been a long time coming, this report,
Sir Brian. Were you surprised at just how loose the
back end was here from some of our departments?

Speaker 10 (37:27):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (37:27):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 23 (37:28):
You know, I've said publicly that this, particularly with respect
to this Department of Statistics, it was a systemic failure.
You know, they breached a threshold of seriousness which has
ended up in the Chief Executive deciding to leave and
US having to make quite significant changes across the public sector.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know, it is a very valuable.

Speaker 23 (37:49):
Learning lesson for us. It has taken a long time.
It's a complex area, but it's one that I'm comfortable
that we've reached in the right position at the end.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So Brian, thank you very much. Times that Brian Wroch,
the State Services Commissioner, eleven after five Bridge she Zealand
is open to sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine. Here's the
Prime Minister this morning. I'll tell you what he said.
He said, we are open to sending troops to Ukraine.
He also wants to get defense spending close to two

(38:19):
percent of GDP. We're currently spending just over one percent.
The former Defense minister is Ron Marky's with me this evening.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Hello, Hello, Ryan, how are you today?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Very well? Thank you. Do we have the capacity to
send well, would we have the capacity to send troops
to Ukraine?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Well, it depends what role and what function they were
being asked to perform. Ryan, I think we know from
the many deployments we have around the world that some
deployments might just be one or two officers, maybe a
dozen in different locales, not like the I think the
eight we've got the United Nations, it might be larger

(38:57):
than the twenty eight we've got with your Multinational Force
and Observed, or you know, if we're considering the seven
thousand odd that we sent to East teamor over a
extended duration, that was quite a different deployment as was Bosnia.
So it really comes down to what does New Zealand
want to do and what role would it want to

(39:20):
take up in a peacekeeping missile? Are we going to
put troops on the ground to enforce a peace keeping
a deal or are we going to make cups of tea?

Speaker 10 (39:32):
Well?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Good question. What do you think about this idea that
we pump out spending up to two percent? We're currently
at about one point two. I mean, that's but we're
talking billions and billions of dollars here. It would happen
and presumably over a long period of time, But do
we need to do that?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Well, when I wrote the New Zealand first Defense policy
way back in the nineteen nineties, and I advocated that
we should be targeting a budget of two percent of GDP.
A lot of people scoffed at it, and I think
even the dimest research as we'll find which parties in
the Parliament have always resisted increasing defense spending. I don't
think we're anywhere near one point one percent right now.

Speaker 17 (40:08):
Ryan.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
We hit that high in my time as Minister of Defense,
but we've slipped back again. I guess the fund that
the base question right now is if we are going
to deploy an elements to assist with the peacekeeping operation
in Ukraine, what would that look like and how much
money would that require? Who's going to pay for it?
Are we going to see an immediate injection into the

(40:31):
Defense Force to meet such a commitment? And what is
the commitment going to be is I don't think you
can deploy troops anywhere without providing the resources, both material
personnel or be they material personnel or fiscal And to
expect the Chief of Defense Force to make a deploy
troops on another mission without having an increase in his

(40:53):
budget to cover that would not be sensible. It would
be setting people up to fail.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Certainly sounds reasonable to me. Ron, thank you very much
for that. Ron Mark, who's the former defense minister with
us just gone fourteen minutes after five the Prime Minister
this morning. This is what he had to say on
sending troops to peacekeeping troops to Ukraine.

Speaker 25 (41:10):
I think we've got a long way to go. We're
very supportive of Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
We'd be open to it.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
We stand with the Ukraine.

Speaker 19 (41:14):
It's important, you know, we have these values about nation
state sovereignty, you know, rule of law.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
You know, we'd be open to that.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I mean a lot of what had gone to the
bridge before we get there isn't there Coming up next,
Kate Roger is going to be with us because if
you're somebody who watches Netflix, watches any television actually, and
also scrolls on your phone, there is a new feature
coming that might interest you. It's probably bad for humanity,
the state of our brains, but a new feature coming
that might help you. We'll get to that next news talks.

(41:44):
Here'd be it is seventeen minutes after five. Netflix is
now creating a second screen show. This is designed for
people who want to scroll on their phones while they're
also watching TV. Don't lie, you do it too. The
shows feature overly descriptive dialogue, repetitive plots. This is in
order to engage an increasingly distracted audience who want to
double screen. Kate Rodgers, the film reviewershuits with us this

(42:06):
evening high.

Speaker 24 (42:07):
Kate, you knew to ring there immediately because you knew
how much this was going to whine the arts.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Kate? Is this the end of the arts?

Speaker 24 (42:16):
No, this is the devolution of the human race. And
before you know it, we're just going to be shopping
around like omebers, just sliming along the ground, bumping into
each other. We've got a brain cell to spare between us.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Are they going to give out an oscar for the
best second screen movie?

Speaker 5 (42:32):
You know?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Where are we heading?

Speaker 24 (42:34):
I don't know where we're heading, And honestly, I would
argue that ninety percent of the shows we're watching on
streaming are basically second screen shows. Anyway. I mean, you
know me well enough that when they started telling us
that we could watch Christopher Nolan films on our phone,
I knew that we were going down hill, and we
were going downhill fast. And I also know what a

(42:55):
purest I am and what a dinosaur I am. And
I will confess there have been one or two moments
where I have found myself looking at my phone when
I'm watching TV. But I would argue, I'm just watching
something rubbish that Max, my twelve year old that's watching.
But I'm a red I won't let the kids have
a phone if we're going to sit down and watch

(43:16):
the movies, whatever it might be, because I do sit
my kids down to watch a movie. But I do
know that I'm just wasting my breath. I mean, how
many phones do you watch? And how many iPads are
you watching?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
When you watch and listening to this. Everybody listening to
this knows that they do a little bit of this too.
So what will people actually notice to tell us what
the difference will be in the product from what I'm gathering?

Speaker 24 (43:38):
And if anyone's going to do this in part theer
this and by the sound of it, it's been happening
in boardrooms across streaming head offices all over the world
as basically dumbing it down to a level that it's repetitive,
that you're never going to lose track of the plot.
So you're sitting your scrolling through Instagram and then suddenly
you hear the word angela fever. I don't you look

(44:00):
up and go, oh, gosh, I forgot that Nigel from
because Honah got glendular fever when he was twelve and
that's why he's struggling to make his relationship work with
Daphney from Cans. And then they'll repeat it again ten
minutes later.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
And you go, oh, angela fever.

Speaker 24 (44:14):
I guess they're making it so that they're constantly repeating
certain bits of a plot in order for you to
cap up. And you know what, there's so many people
and I know them myself, especially in these days and
age where we are stressed and anxious, that go back
to shows that we've watched over and over again, whether
it's The Gilmore Girls, whether it's Suits, whatever it might be.

(44:36):
We know everything that's going to happen. There's a comfort
in that. It also means we don't really have to
engage the brain or the synapses. We can just let
it wash over us and we know what's happening. So
they're essentially trying to tap their algorithm into that motion
that we don't have to think, and then we can
just sit and though why would we bother? Why don't
you just sit on Instagram on them? Why don't you

(44:57):
watch something?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well exactly, Kate, thank you for that. Hate Roger, who's
a film reviewer and critic and quite critical of this idea,
I have to say, you're not doing nothing in defense
of the net. You are still engaging your brain. In fact,
you could say you're more engaged because you're multitasking on
multiple platforms all at once. So I don't know, will
we become thicker? Have we become thicker? I think the

(45:19):
answer is probably yes. It's just got twenty one minutes
after five, you're on news Talk ZB. I'll tell you
why noise canceling headphones are a bad idea shortly. Also,
next i'll tell you about how many government departments we
have in New Zealand compared to everyone's favorite country at
the moment, Ireland. So there's a lot of mobile companies
out there claiming to be the best, But what does

(45:39):
the best actually mean? For one end z it means
being exhaustively tested by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT part of
its censure who do this across more than one hundred
and twenty countries? Globally and boy is they're testing thorough
it's likeful like comparisons with the same devices on the
same mobile package at the same location in performing the
exact same action like downloading a movie or uploading a

(46:02):
photo on a phone. They also supplement their scoring with
crowdsawce Darter, which covers ninety eight percent of New Zealand's
population area. And guess who came out on top is
In twenty twenty four out of our three big tailcos,
one en z It's mobile network performed the best, winning
for both voice and data and that's the third year
in a row one en z have taken out this award.

(46:23):
That is impressive. So if you're with one end z,
it's good to know you're already on New Zealand's best
mobile network. And if you're not, check out one dot
n z to join the winners.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Moving the big stories of the d forward, it's Ryan
Bridge on Heather dup c Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Let's get connected. News talks'd be five.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Point twenty five. This idea we blow up some government
departments and agencies is finally getting its day in the sun.
So Brian Roach, Who's Luxelon's Public Service ZAR, to use
a Trump term, is talking about hitting control delete on
entire agent sees. And you've got to ask yourself, why
do we have so many and what exactly is their purpose?

(47:08):
Why do we have a ministry for women? Yes, there
are disparities between men and women that warrant government attention,
don't get me wrong, But there are also disparities that
go the other way. Men make up around eighty percent
of our homeless. Men are three to five times more
likely to die by suicide. If we follow the logic

(47:29):
of having a ministry for women, should we not also
have ministry for men. It's not just departments whose purpose
is questionable and results hard to quantify, but also the
sheer number of them. We've created a beast that multiplies
like a virus and adds layers all the way to
the top. The New Zealand Initiative did a report and
they found that this country, compared to comparable nations, has

(47:51):
forty four percent more ministers, nearly treble the number of portfolios,
and one and a half times as many departments. Why Ireland,
which it's trendy at the moment to aspire to be
like similar population to US has around fifteen ministers, eighteen
departments and eighteen portfolios. We have seventy eight portfolios and

(48:17):
forty agencies. If others can cope without them, and they
seem to be all.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Right, why can't we Crayon Bridge.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Twenty seven, after five year on news Talk, said B
lots to come. After the news, we're going to talk
to you about well, I want to bring you this
story about noise canceling headphones. I've never used them, but
if you use them, or if you've got kids who
use them, there's a bit of a warning about what
it's doing to your ears also, which kind of doesn't
make sense because you think noise canceling headphones would be
good for your ears, but actually they might be quite bad.

(48:47):
And I'll explain that. We'll also look at that plane
crash in Toronto and some suggestions from the IPCA on
how we handle protests going into the future. You're on
news Talk, said B.

Speaker 22 (49:04):
If you can't tell, they said Sam.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan first.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
It's Ryan Bridge on Hither.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
news talks.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
They'd be We'll never A.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
We'll never, We'll never, twenty five minutes away from six
Stuart National. Morris Williamson's standing by with the huddle very quickly.
Noise canceling headphones Do you use them? I don't use them,
but I know a lot of young people use them,
and there's potentially a problem with overuse of as canceling headphones.
And the GPS have been ringing the alarm bells over

(50:04):
in the UK about this, which is fascinating. When you
sit in a cafe, you are listening to dozens of
different noises all at once. Right, You've got the cafe,
the coffee grinder going, you've got people chattering away, you've
got the till ringing, you've got the cars outside, and
your brain is working, almost like sport. It is working
to place all of those sounds around you and try

(50:26):
and figure out where they're coming from. When you have
noise canceling headphones on, there is just one sound, so
your brain's ability, this is what they think, your brain's
ability to figure out where a sound is coming from
could be affected by this. There's a particular young woman
who they've looked at who spends five hours a day
on her noise canceling headphones. Her hearing is fine and

(50:48):
the hearing test, but she's having trouble deciphering where the
sounds are coming from and it's taking her longer to
tune in, and she's not alone in the UK. So anyway,
just a preemptive warning you if you do use them,
maybe do it less so twenty three away from six Bridge.
The Independent Police Conduct Authority is calling for new legislation

(51:09):
around how officers deal with protests, and we've sent a
few of those in the last few days, haven't we.
The changes would allow police and local authorities to set
conditions around the protest applications, the traffic management, and they
might even stop you from picketing outside private residence like
the PM's house. The current framework has also been called
unfit for purpose and inadequate. The chair of the IPCA

(51:31):
is Judge Kenneth Johnson. It's good to have you on
the show. What our protest is allowed to do at
the moment that you don't want them doing in the future.

Speaker 26 (51:39):
What we're trying to do is ensure that police officers
don't have the large the world rather than difficult task
of enforcing a disparate group of criminal provisions in the
context of protests, but.

Speaker 27 (51:55):
Rather have an overarching that of legislation that enables them
to identify considerably more precision when activity is stepping outside
the bounds of what's been proposed.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But isn't it obvious. I mean, if somebody punches somebody
else on approachest, you can arrest them. If somebody walks
onto a highway that's a safety issue, you can arrest them.

Speaker 26 (52:23):
But that's precifically the point. The outcome of punching somebody
is not going to change at all. However, if you
do give notice and it's accepted that you'll be walking
down Queen Street or up Lampton Key or something on
a particular day, then walking down Queen Street or up
Lampton Key is not going to result in a charge

(52:47):
of blocking the highway or whatever the appropriate charge is
under the transport legislation.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
But that's I mean, that's the rule now right. I mean, people,
we have the HIKOI over the Harbor Bridge that was
escorted by police. That happens now, well, yes.

Speaker 26 (53:00):
It does, but it doesn't alter the fact that blocking
the highway can be an offense. The fact that it's
not enforced is a definition not always enforced anyway, it
often is enforced. For example, the Wellington Parliamentary protest.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
What about you know, should it people be able to
pick it outside the Prime Minister's house, outside anyone's house.

Speaker 26 (53:22):
Well, that's a particular issue and you will have seen
from the report if you've read the whole thing, I
imagine you have that we identify that as an area
where the Government of the day might like to give
some consideration to whether that should be lawful or not.

(53:44):
And at the moment it's drift it awful to pick
it outside the Prime Minister's house that you want to
whether it should be a not as not a matter
for us to determine. And it's an issue that we've
raised and identified what other countries do in that area,
and no doubt the Government of the day will give
some consideration to it in the fullness of time.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I'm sure they will. Kenneth, thank you very much for
your time. Kenneth Johnson Casey, the chair of the IPCA.
I'm not entirely convinced, I have to say, after that
at twenty away from six, not entirely convinced that that
would justify a completely new piece of legislation to deal
with protests in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
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Speaker 2 (54:28):
Joining me Tonight's Stuart Nationville, my Labor minister. Hey Stuart, Hey,
you're right.

Speaker 26 (54:31):
How's it going?

Speaker 10 (54:32):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Thank you. Morris Williamson's here too, all can counsel the
former National Minister. Good evening. You've got to feel for
the police, Stuart, because there's between a rock and a
hard place, especially at the moment with the protest that
we're seeing, and they've got cameras on them and they're
damned if they go too hard, and they're damned if
they go too soft.

Speaker 25 (54:51):
Well made. As a former Minister of Place, anything that
can remove the ambiguity from the role of the fantastic
men and woman on the front line, I'm support off
And if the framework is not suitable for purpose at
the moment, then give them a new framework. I mean
I'm all for this, to be honest, man.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, just not quite sure what's wrong with the current framework.

Speaker 25 (55:10):
Well, if there is ambiguity, and it seems as if
there is a bit of ambiguity, if police don't know
what they can and can't do.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Then there's always going to be gray areas.

Speaker 25 (55:18):
But provide a framework which is fit for purpose makes
it a lot easier to police if police know what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
But Morris, they should know. I mean, if you hunt someone,
that's an offense. If you go on the road, that's
an offense. You know what I mean?

Speaker 28 (55:29):
Yeah, I think I think anything that involves physical activity
in terms of hurting and damaging people or property, anything
in terms of threats and so on, I think is
an absolute you've foregone your right to be there. You
want to go on peacefully protest. I did it over
Vietnam War and all sorts of shit years ago, but
we peacefully. We've had signs and you know, down with
America and all that for over Vietnam, but you didn't

(55:49):
go out and start causing the riots. And the police
should have absolutely every right to intervene when people are
threatening personal safety and security. And I think they can
do that now if they given a proper edict from
their high command.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I think that is probably more the point, isn't it, Stuart,
That it's the top brass that maybe say, oh look
this is a bit political let's hold back. That's more
than anything, probably what stopped police from getting involved.

Speaker 25 (56:14):
Oh look, I don't think that's the case. There reason
no say that is. You know, I've known a lot
of top cops over the time, and they're very good
men and a woman who put the health and safety
of their front line officers as their numbers. Well, no,
I don't think they say you can't do this because
of political ramifications. They allow their men and women on
the front line to do what they need to do

(56:35):
to control the situation. I agree with Morris. If you're
smacking someone, then my guid the police should be able
to do whatever they need to be able to do.
But if the framework provides ambigulity at the moment, then
put a new framework and play so, you know, so
it removes ambiguilty and the police know exactly what they
need to do in.

Speaker 28 (56:54):
The worst part about it all is the number of
cameras there. Everyone's got a camera, everyone's filming it, and
you've got sitting there thinking if I grabbed this person
who's blocking the road, stuffing people's lives and every and
I even pushed them out of the way, that'll be
the story exactly and I think the news media have
got a lot to sort of answer for about making
it the big story when all you did is clear
somebody out of blocking a road and allow people to travel.

Speaker 25 (57:16):
I agree with you one hundred pcent.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Mars Right, guys, we'll leave this here because we have
so much to discuss when we come back. Stuart Nash
and Morris Williamson will get to the report from the
State Services Commission. This is on your data, your census data,
your vaccination data, Where is it ending up and what
checks and balances are in place to make sure it
doesn't get in the wrong hands.

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Gone fourteen minutes away from six News Talk, said b
Stuart Nash and Marris Williamson on the Huddle tonight. So
we've had the State Services Commission reports out today and
it says that with the census and the vaccination data,
that it was released to third parties and we didn't
have proper checks and balances in place to make sure
nothing untoward happened with it. So on the question of

(58:05):
did anything untoward happen with it? The answer is, we
actually don't know, and this report doesn't tell us. Stuart,
I'm dying to know what you think about this bloody
outrageous Ryan.

Speaker 25 (58:14):
You know, we asked keys to give us a lot
of data because we need the data to inform policies.
And if kiwis believe that their data isn't being kept safe,
then they just won't trust the government. I think this
is outrageous. And you know the guy, the head of STATSU,
New Zealander, he's not standing down, he's just not seeking reappointment.

Speaker 17 (58:31):
I think he should go immediately.

Speaker 25 (58:33):
I mean the report is damning. The words in the
report are things like, you know, significant failure, ignored staff concerns,
reconflict of interest. You know, this is this is really
really bad. And if the if the public lose confidence
in the government to keep their data safe, they just
won't give it. So I think this is this is,
this is really bad. It's outrageous.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Laur If you think you should be gone now too.

Speaker 28 (58:57):
Hundred percent, you're dead right. The longest statistic New Zealand
fourteen years. I think I hold the portfolio and all
I can tell you is that the integrity of that
data is absolutely everything. People will cooperate at census time
and so on if they know that that data is
anonymized and never used for anything. If they think it
leaks out, you can forget the value of any census.

(59:19):
It will be completely valueless.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Interesting that they were in terms of the White Data Trust,
the money da wom A I and the Final Order
Commissioning Agency. They've said with funding going forward that it
will not just then actually, but all third parties will
have to meet a certain standard before they will give
them any more money in the future Stewart, and that
will include things like, you know, your conflict dealing with

(59:45):
your conflicts of interest. So that's an interesting development.

Speaker 10 (59:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (59:49):
Well, look, there are times when you do need to
share data to inform decisions, there's no doubt about that.
But if anything compromises the integrity of that, then you
know it's got to get And I don't think these
organizations should get any money. I mean, the report says
it's not there to find fault, But if you read
the report and you read the recommendations that have come
out of the report and the conclusions of the report,

(01:00:11):
it kind of draws a bow that that this data
hasn't been used. Well, staff concerns we've taken notice of.
Don't give these guys any more money if they if
they're if they're lacking integrity.

Speaker 28 (01:00:20):
So what's totally unacceptable here? As an organization whose role
is to promise to guarantee you the integrity of the
data they collect from you, now saying oh, well, we'll
look to improve our role and function. Sorry, you should
have been absolutely at a grade role and function protection
of data right from day zero. And if you weren't,
you shouldn't have been the chief executive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, and well, and to be fair, it is only
the acting one anyway, but it would be gone at
the end of his contracts, be gone. Now are you guilty?
And I do think it's actually anything that you should
be ashamed of, Stuart, But are you guilty of using
your phone while watching TV? You know, double scrolling?

Speaker 18 (01:00:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I'm not.

Speaker 23 (01:00:59):
I read this.

Speaker 25 (01:01:00):
I mean this is just a further dumbing down of society, right,
I don't need to be spoon feed the TV show.
This is this is Netflix saying again, a dumb down
shows because people are screening and they can't concentrate on
two things at one time. I mean, give me a break.
You know, every now and again I look at my
especially from the gills playing cricket. You look at crick info,
or you check your messages every now and again. But
it doesn't mean I can't double. I can't look at

(01:01:21):
the TV show well, checking my message every now and again?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Oh my god, do you think you think you're a superman?
You can do it all?

Speaker 25 (01:01:29):
But I'm not seeing me a look, but I can.

Speaker 28 (01:01:31):
You can follow two things, well, I'm going to confess
right here and now I can't. And the worst thing
is I've hardly ever seen the end of any TV
show or any movie. I get, honest, Oh this looks good.
And then I'm on the phone and then I see
the screen, and then some text comes in, and I
go off and send some emails, and I come back
and the wife because it's over. It was quite a
good movie, and a god bugger got to wait. I'll
try and watch it again some other times.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
At least at least it's not because you're not falling asleep.

Speaker 28 (01:01:54):
It's not falling asleep, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
It's interesting, though, isn't it, Because they're basic are going
to take out, you know, when you watch a movie
and there's lots of action scenes when if you're just
listening to something, those action scenes you missile everything that's happened.
So there'll be less action and a lot more dialogue,
which to me sounds more like a podcast. I would
have thought that was more like party.

Speaker 25 (01:02:16):
What's the point. Yeah, so they're either longer or they
have a lot more boring. I mean, you know, imagine
Terminator as four hours as supposed to two hours. I'm
being slightly glid, but but give us some credit. You know,
if you can check your messages and watch the TV
at the same time, well there's something wrong with you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, fair enough, Sorry Marris, no disrespect mate.

Speaker 28 (01:02:37):
But nothing's going to say I thought Terminator was the
Public Service Commissioner.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Well, actually, just quickly before we go, now that you've
raised it, Morris, which departments would you put the bomb
under first?

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Oh?

Speaker 28 (01:02:50):
I've got a list so long. I mean, there are
so many trivial little units with such no gravitas and
so on. If they've got a role and function, make
them a particular little office within a apartment with one
chief executive. Not forty six, was it, remember the number? Yeah,
and in nearly forty agencies it's insane. Honestly, we've just
every time there's been a little itch politically to scratch it,

(01:03:12):
we've oh, we'll make a ministry of you know, small
grain and seeds to help those people. And you go, no,
stop this, that we are over bureaucratized with the whole problem.
We've got way too much bureaucracy killing any innovation and
you've got to actually pull a whole lot of that
stuff out of there. I'm delighted what Sir Brian Roach
has at least floated. Hopefully he carries it through.

Speaker 25 (01:03:34):
Look Sir Brian's a legend, there's no doubt about that.
But it's almost Monty pythonish to have a ministry for
cutting red tape regulation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
David, it is, it actually is. You have to you
have to agree with that.

Speaker 28 (01:03:46):
Set up a new ministry for reducing ministries.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Exactly exactly, and we've just added another one with the
Minister of Growth, for goodness sakes, goes to the Southland.
I don't know where does the list.

Speaker 28 (01:04:00):
Hoping for the Chad of Islands portfolio, but I never
picked it up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
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former national minister and falling asleep before the end of
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News Talks VB. It is five minutes away from six.
So we've had another plane incident today and we're counting.
I'm writing in my little notebook how many plane incidents
we've had since December. We've had quite a few. Anyway,
this is in Toronto. A plane has flipped somehow managed
to flip on its head on landing. We had the
one in Washington, d C. We had in South Korea,

(01:04:42):
one hundred and seventy nine people lost their lives on
the twenty ninth of December. We had the one on
Christmas Day. This is the Azerbaijan crash, although that was
shot down by the Russians, so that's slightly different case.
But anyway, a lot of people, there's a lot of
people I've noticed on the plane when I was traveling
at the weekend. You know, they are gripping the rests
on the flights. I think people are looking at the
news and they're thinking, oh, thing's getting worse. So I

(01:05:04):
thought i'd dig out some numbers for you today. These
are from MIT. There's the stats from MIT. This is
fatality rate commercial planes and it's per million passengers, all right,
so to give you an idea, and this is the
latest number, So twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, one
fatality per fourteen million passengers two thousand and eight to

(01:05:27):
twenty seventeen. So the period before that it was one
per eight million passengers. So we've come a long way.
It's a lot safer now that it was even ten
years ago. And if you go back even further to
the bad old days nineteen sixty eight to nineteen seventy seven,
it was one death per three hundred and fifty thousand.

(01:05:48):
So there you go. That's progress, isn't it. That's progress.
I mean it's still not it's not guaranteed, but it's
a hell of a lot safer than it used to be.
Four minutes away from six year on news Talk ZB
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Good evening. It is seven after six coming out brad
Olsen on the OCR. We chat to Jamie McKay who's
been speaking to Winston Peters. The Aussies are celebrating somewhat
over their OCR cut. The rock star economist Paul Bloxam
with us before top of the hour, and we're live
in London for reaction to Starma and his bid to
try and be the middle man between the White House

(01:07:17):
and the EU. Right now, if they keep it green,
they'll get the gold Fonterra is offering its dairy farmers
an extra one to five cents per kg of milk
solids to get the payment. Their emissions, Yes, their climate
emissions need to be lower than they were in twenty seventeen,
and based on how Fonterra's farms met climate criteria last season,

(01:07:37):
they're expecting around five thousand farmers should qualify for this plus.
But wait, there's more. If a farm's emissions are thirty
percent lower than the average Mars and Nestley, which is
where all this money is coming from, the contract done
with them will drop in an additional ten to twenty
five cents per kg of milk solids. John Stevenson is

(01:07:58):
the chair of Fonterra's cooperative counsel me Hi, John.

Speaker 10 (01:08:01):
Good evening, Right, what do you make of this? I
think it's big news for our farmers. It's certainly a
significant amount of extra funding and recognition of their high
quality milk, and it will make a material difference to
those farmers that receive it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
So put it in context. Extra one to five cents
per kilogram of milk solids might not sound like much
to people. What will it? Well, what could it mean
to your average farmer?

Speaker 10 (01:08:26):
I think what it could mean will depend on their production.
But for a for an average farm, you know, we
could we could see, we could see recognition there in
and around that, you know, sort of ten to twenty
thousand dollars MARC depending on the achievement. And I think
it's important to note that there there is a range
within that, so you know that that will depend on
on on farm practices.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
What are they on farm practices? What's the criteria?

Speaker 10 (01:08:52):
So I think what we're hearing from our farmers at
the moment is a real desire to understand more about
these changes, what these changes that exactly do mean for them,
and I suppose ultimately whether they are in with a
shot at either some of this money from Fonterra or
or more poignantly, the customer funded money. So that's what

(01:09:13):
we're hearing from our farm is exactly those questions. But
if we look at look at practices like stocking rate,
the ability for our cows to be as efficient as
they can be, making sure that they're getting in car,
and some of those other green initiatives, my understanding is
that they all contribute to the ultimate in number farmers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Surely, this is surely the way that you would like
to see climate change handled, you know, as an organization,
because it's incentive driven rather than whacking you with a stick.

Speaker 10 (01:09:44):
I think you're right in that regard. Ryan, I think
our farmer has been asking Fonterierra for some time for
evidence that sustainability will deliver the premiums that have been
talked about. This is this is evidence of that which
I mean within a co op if you need to
balance that up against against the corporative nature of Fonterra.

(01:10:05):
So you know, not not all of our farmers are
going to receive this money, so that that may present
some challenges on the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Is it enough to incentivize them to do that for
next time?

Speaker 23 (01:10:17):
I think so.

Speaker 10 (01:10:17):
But each farm will run a cost benefit analysis of
how they potentially might achieve those numbers and what investment
will be required on farms. So we already have some
right at the top end, and yeah they're doing an
outstanding job. But for those that aren't, the pressure will
come on Fonterra to get alongside them, show them what

(01:10:40):
they need to do to achieve those figures and ultimately
whether it's a value proposition worth chasing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
John, thank you, obviously not to be scoffed at John Stevenson,
chair of Fonterra's cooperative Counsel that he represents the farmers
in the Dairy cooperative eleven minutes after six year on
News Talk s V. We'll get to brad Olson next.
So the Ausies have had a rake cut, so twenty
five basis points down to four point one percent over there.
It is what they were expecting, but it's their first
cut since twenty twenty. And we spoke to Murray Old's

(01:11:09):
earlier he reckoned it would be. So the rates have
gone up to the point where you're paying an extra
fifteen hundred dollars per fortnight and your mortgages in Australia
this will leave you or leave you of one hundred dollars.
So it's not going to change your fortunes overnight, but
it is certainly a step in the right direction. Anyway.
We're going to get to brad Olsen on our fortunes

(01:11:31):
here in New Zealand tomorrow.

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Six fourteen News Talk zb Adrian and All's first outing
for the year tomorrow, just one more sleep until where
it's pretty much expected to get a fifty basis point cut.
So the Reserve Bank the decision tomorrow. Brad Olsen is
the Infometrics Principal economists Brad Good Evening. Good Evening. So
the fifty basis point camp is growing by the second

(01:12:00):
ahead of the big day tomorrow. Are you in that camp? Yes,
very much so.

Speaker 29 (01:12:04):
I mean, the Reserve Bank made a bit of a
pretty strong rod for their own back back in November
and said, look, it would be a pretty difficult move
for them to not move by fifty when they look
at the monetary policy settings. And I think part of
that was because they had a big three month break
before between November and this review in February. They wanted
to give a pretty strong level of guidance to the

(01:12:26):
market over where they're thinking was where they thought the
direction of travel has gone. All of the data that
we've had since then has broadly been in the same
sort of area. You know, you've seen economic activity that declined,
some big revisions in those numbers, but the likes of
the unemployment rate, the likes of inflation all broadly coming
in at the right level. So not enough of a
shift from expectations for the Reserve Bank to shift from

(01:12:50):
their pretty strong guidance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
They don't normally give.

Speaker 29 (01:12:52):
It quite so strong, and so I think they'll stick
to their word at this point, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
The interesting part, of course, will be what happens after
that three and a half percent was where they predicted
they might get to by year's end, around three percent
is neutral. Do you think that that track will change?

Speaker 29 (01:13:09):
Well, I think that's the thing that we're sort of
a bit unsure about at the moment. Even financial markets
have started to show a bit of a shift so
far in twenty twenty five. You know, still pricing in
an expectation that the sort of bottom would be around
that three percent mark. But interestingly there's a bit more
market pricing now picking a slight increase in the official

(01:13:30):
cash rate come early twenty twenty six. And that does
make us wonder, if you know, some of those worries
about the likes of global inflationary pressures the lower exchange rate,
there's a risk I think if the Reserve Bank continues
with this expectation of more and more cuts, that they
might well overdo it again. They might cut too much
and then have to raise things up in twenty twenty six.

(01:13:51):
So I think that a smarter move would be for
the Reserve Bank to go back to their sort of
watch and worry and weight settings where they say that
sort of course least regrets from here as being a
bit more data dependent and saying, look, we might well
move a bit slower than we said before. We might
not cut as much. And I think that overall, the
tone I think as most appropriate as saying that there

(01:14:13):
might not be as many further cuts on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Which means we got really hurt when they went too
far one way, and we won't get we won't get
the benefit of them going too far the other way.

Speaker 29 (01:14:23):
Well, the question here really is we do interest rates
sort of settle now what is normal? Because I think
anyone thinking that interest rates so you know, getting a
mortgage of two percent is sort of you know, lost
their vision a little bit here. I mean that was
abnormal interest rates for abnormal times. You know, if you
saw interest rates sort of around that sort of low
five high four percent mark, that's probably where I think

(01:14:45):
a lot of people, if you look back over interest
rates over time, that'd be pretty happy with those sort
of numbers. But of course we've got much high house
prices than before and similar so I do think we're
trying to figure out where the new goldilock zone is.
But I think as well for the Reserve Bank. I
think sure all it would be a bit more appropriate
now to go Look, we've done a lot of the
heavy cutting that they needed to. Now it's about fine

(01:15:06):
chuning the process a bit. So let's not be hasty
and going capcap cut. Let's have a little bit more
of a nuanced approach sort of vectoring and all the
data that's coming through, because there's still a lot of
moving parts. There's tariffs, says, exchange rates, their growth around
the world, all of that will make a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
All right, Brad, thank you very much. That that's Brad Olsen,
Informetric's principal economist on the OCI. We're going to get
that announcement tomorrow. We are going to hear from Paul
Bloxam as well after six thirty after News at six thirty.
He's the rock star economist from HSBC out of Sydney.
They've had their meeting at about four thirty this afternoon
and announced that they're cutting by twenty five basis points
over there. So we'll hear the latest on what their

(01:15:42):
reasoning and rationale is very quickly. I want to run
you through because we've had that story from the State
Services Commission today. So obviously some questions that the media
wanted to ask to Party Maldi, right, and so they
go to Party Marty and they say, can we ask
some questions now? Debbie is is on holiday in the
Cook Islands. Convenient the co leader at Alwadi White to

(01:16:06):
refuse to speak to the press and apparently instead Center
Press Secretary, which is not a nice thing to do
to a mob of waiting media, to tell the media
all inquiries about the report should be directed to the
party president, John Tamaherti. And here's the silly thing about it.
Tomaheriti is the CEO of the wye PA Data Trust,
which is of course one of the third party providers
at the center of this whole thing. So it just

(01:16:28):
kind of makes a mockery of it. The other thing
I wanted to mention the median age of women giving
birth in New Zealand has reached thirty one and a
half years in twenty twenty four. This is new stats
out today from stats n Z. The average age thirty
one and a half. That is the oldest since the
records began in nineteen sixty two. It's interesting because you're

(01:16:49):
pushing yourself closer and closer to the you know, when
you've got the small window in which you can give birth,
women are being pushed or pushing themselves. I suppose in
a way closer and closer to that window. So if
you don't find the right partner, it becomes harder and
harder and harder, and the runway gets shorter and shorter
and shorter. And I've got friends who have been in

(01:17:10):
this situation. It is a very tricky situation to be indeed. Anyway,
there you go. The average age now thirty one and
a half. Jamie McKay next News talk EDB.

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Speaker 8 (01:17:37):
Hey, good evening, Ryan, Hey, just before we get into it,
us driving earlier this afternoon and I heard you talking
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Speaker 28 (01:17:46):
And I'm with you.

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It's got to be Lydia Cohen. I love Dame Lisa Carrington.
We all do we all love Lydia as well, but
when you compare the two sports, and I'm not knocking
kayaking at all, but on a world stage, think Dame
Lydia is she a dame yet?

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yes she is, she's our young.

Speaker 8 (01:18:05):
I think Dame Lydia deserves to dame. Please the caring
to me go just my two Bob, No, I like,
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I agree with you, And I think because the global
you know, attention, and I guess the global nature of
that sport as well, I think will add to the
to the accolades that she'll probably would tonight. Anyway, we'll
waiting to see. So you've been speaking with Winston Peters
today and he is saying, basically, pull out of the
Paris climate accord. Seymour is saying not yet. And then

(01:18:38):
you've got four old luxem in the middle between between
a rock and a hard place.

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
Well. Interesting. I talked to Winston earlier this morning and
he said, look, we should be out, and he's held
that line for quite a while. He said, what's the
use of being in when the US in the China
and Russia there And that's and that's a fair point
as well. And so I dropped Seymour text just to
get reiterate what his position was, and he made an

(01:19:03):
interesting comment comment. He said, not get out of it yet,
there's at some stage in the future the cost of
being in it will be greater than the punishment for leaving.
So I thought that was a really interesting comment. And
it does leave Christopher Luxe and all the nats in
a wee bit of a sticky situation on this one,
because the cost of complying to this Ryan is what

(01:19:26):
twenty three or twenty four billion dollars. So we're not
talking chump change.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
There, absolutely not. We've just had John Stevenson on about this.
But what do you make of this Fonterra money. It's
not Fonterra money, it's Nesle and Mars money that they've
written into a contract where they farmers will get an
extra top up on their payout if they're doing good
green things.

Speaker 8 (01:19:48):
Well, the Nesley Mars top up is ten to twenty
five cents a kilogram, which is I guess meaningful, But
it's only going to go to three to three hundred
and fifty farm Fonterra farms nationwide. That's like three percent
of their farms. Interestingly the other ones. I don't know
whether the John touched on this. I didn't hear the interview,

(01:20:09):
but there, if they meet their climate criteria, they're going
to get one to five cents per kilogram of milk
solids to meet it. Now, that's less than half half
a percent of your milk price based on a ten
dollar payout. And interestingly, on my show today I smoke.
I spoke to Kevin Smiley Barrett, Yes, the father of
all the all Blacks and a very handy Taranaki rugby

(01:20:32):
player himself, and he thought Mars, this was his initial
take on it. His hot take on it was Mars
and Nesle are doing a bit of green washing. And
I think that's the truth from the coal face from smiling.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Interesting. Now, the fed farmers that we get this twice
a year, the confidence surveys out at five o'clock tomorrow morning,
what are you packing?

Speaker 8 (01:20:51):
Well, I'd like to say I haven't seen it, but
I have. But but if I tell you Ryan, I'd
have to shoot you. Look, I mean even before I
glanced at and I've got to respect the embargo. Look
at farmers aren't happy this time around, they will have
earned they're often unjust tag for being monus. The planets
are really aligning for farmers at the moment. We've got

(01:21:12):
good commodity prices almost right across the board. Walls obviously
a bit of an outlier strong all I'm talking about,
but everything else as pretty good. Interest rates are coming down.
They've got a pretty user friendly government in terms of
regulation and non farm costs. So I'm expecting Ryan read

(01:21:32):
between the lines on this one. A pretty positive farmer
confidence survey which will be due out at five am
tomorrow from Federated Farmers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Nice one. I think you've given us a good wink
and a nudge thee. Jamie McKay hosted the Country on
Newstalk Seb twenty six. Minutes after six a couple of
texts saying, Ryan, did you mean median or did you
mean average birth age? Because Statsnz's had a number out today.
I meant median. Apologies, Helen. I think I said median,
and then I said average, which is a pretty average

(01:22:01):
thing to do for you, Helen, I apologize. So this
is the median age of women giving birth in New
Zealand has reached thirty one and a half years old.
For twenty twenty four, You're on news Talk, said B.
We're live to Osi next.

Speaker 22 (01:22:14):
Buddy, Buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass insurance
and investments.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
Grew your Wealth, Protect Your Future. News Talks by.

Speaker 30 (01:22:36):
Drake somebody bummy small combat to give it off, Bums
buy off. Yeah, I've been breaking my back just keeping
the weeding zones as y'all know.

Speaker 22 (01:22:48):
What I mean, and y'all know how we go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Good evening twenty five away from seven, You're on news Talk,
said B. We've just been discussing Winston Peters and David
Seymour and the slightly aligned views on the Paris Acord
with Jamie McKay from the Country. I like this text
a Texter who has said, why is it Winston and
Seymour not Peter's and Seymour. It's a very good question.
I think the answer and this is why do we

(01:23:12):
refer to them in that way? I think the answer
is in the name, right, Winston is a relatively unusual name.
Seymour it stands out whereas Peter's. I mean, how many
last names of Peter's do you know of? And David.
I mean, you know, if you called them David, you
would be like, who are you talking about. There are
so many Davids in Parliament, let alone in the general population.

(01:23:33):
I think that's why we do it. Twenty four away
from seven Bryan Bridge, it's some interest rate relief for Ossie's. Finally,
the RBA today cutting the official cash rate for the
first time since twenty twenty. Governor Michelle Bullock, explaining the
quarter percent cut to four point one percent.

Speaker 31 (01:23:49):
It's clear that higher interest rates have been working as anticipated,
restricting economic activity and putting downward presser on inflation. The
Board judges it's time to reduce a little bit of
that restrictiveness. But we cannot declare victory on inflation just yet.
It is not good enough for inflation to be back
in the target range temporarily. The Board needs to be

(01:24:10):
confident that is returning to the target range sustainably.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Paul Blocks from HSBC, good evening, Good to have you back. Congratulations,
you picked that right, we did, We got that one.

Speaker 21 (01:24:21):
Right, so I'm definitely happy about that. You know, the
cut was part of it, but the real interesting part
was just how cautious they were, how much they're really
giving guidance that this is one move, but actually they're
going to need more evidence of inflation continuing to fall
before they would consider cutting again. So we don't think
that we're thinking that they're going to cut anytime soon again,

(01:24:44):
that it's going to be quite a few months before
we get another cut from the RBA.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Too early to celebrate. I mean, if you look at
we were speaking to Mariol's there Ossie correspondent earlier, he said,
it's about one hundred dollars is it one hundred dollars
a fortnight, you know, on your average mortgage. And when
the rates went up, it was, you know, fifteen hundred
dollar or whack to your wallets. So it's come back
a little bit, but it's not you know, it's not
game changing.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
Well that's right.

Speaker 21 (01:25:05):
So the RBA lifted its cash right by four hundred
and twenty five basis points. They stopped doing that in
November of twenty twenty three. That was the last hike
that was that arrived and today they took back twenty
five basis points at that four hundred and twenty five,
So you know, it's it's as the governor said in
the recording, you just played. You know, monetary policy is
still restrictive, it's just a little bit less restrictive, and

(01:25:27):
they feel they can make this move because inflation is
coming down. But then it's still not back where they
need to be in terms of inflation. It's still not
quite at the target. And the other thing, of course,
for Australia is not only is the you know, the
inflation coming down, but we're doing this within a labor
market that's still very strong. The unemployment rate is still
very low. It's it's coming down a little bit in

(01:25:48):
the last couple of months, in the last few months
as well, and so we're sort of close to full employment.
If you've got a fully employed economy and inflation's coming
down gradually, the RBA hasn't got a lot of scope
to be able to lower interest rates quickly. Of course,
that's in a very big contrast to what's going on
in New Zealand, where the unemployment rates risen quite a lot,
inflations come right back to target and the RB and

(01:26:09):
Z has already delivered a lot of easing and we
think tomorrow they'll probably deliver another fifty basis points cut
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah, and the question is what do they do after that? So,
just coming back to the Governor Michelle Bollock for a second,
is she made a new comment on the market pricing
in future rate cuts.

Speaker 21 (01:26:29):
Well, absolutely, actually today it was very explicit. Not only
did she say it, but if you look at the
RBA's own forecasts, they are only forecasting that their main measure,
the one they focus on, it gets back to two
point seven percent and then track cybway so it doesn't
actually get to two and a half percent in their
own forecasts. And the reason why it doesn't get all
the way back down is because their work, they're working

(01:26:51):
assumption is market pricing, and so market pricing is assuming
another eighty four or exsuming eighty five basis points worth
of cuts altogether. And the Governor delicitly said we think
at this point in time that if we were to
deliver that many cuts, inflation won't actually get back to
two and a half. So they were very explicit about
saying the market is pricing in too much easing at

(01:27:12):
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Interesting, what do you reckon about where we end up
by years in here in New Zealand, Paul, Because initially
the Reserve Bank here was talking about, you know, three
and a half odd percent, but we know that neutral
is closer to three percent, and they were talking about
three and a half by the end of the year.
Do you think they're going to have to revise that?

Speaker 21 (01:27:31):
So we think you're going to get a fifty basis
point cut tomorrow from the RBNZ, and then we think
that we're going to get three more RBNZ twenty five
basis point moved over the subsequent meetings, and that would
get you down to three percent on the cash rate.
That's our central case, our working assumption for what is
going to be delivered in New Zealand. So this is
the last big cut and then the ones that follow

(01:27:52):
will be smaller, And of course the question is going
to be do they actually get to deliver all of
those cuts, because the other thing is although New Zealand
has had a big last year, they're starting these starting
these signs that things are picking up. The PMI is improving,
dairy prices are high, there's been a turnaround in some
of the sentiment indicators as well, and so you know,
how much more does the RBNZ need to deliver. Well,

(01:28:14):
we think fifty tomorrow and then three more twenty fives.
But the question is going to be do they need
to need to deliver all of that to get the
economy to turn around, given it's already starting to turn around.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Brilliant stuff, Paul, Thank you. Paul Blox and HSBC chief
economists over in Australia. Twenty away from the seven you're
on news talks, there'd be coming up we Life to
London with Indo Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all
on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance
and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future, Youth talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Be seventeen to seven news talks. There'd big Kir Starmer
is out and about. He's been in Paris with European
leaders and he is heading to Washington next week. Did
you meet with the President Trump? In the Brady's our
UK correspondent. We want to get the latest from him.
High end of good evening.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Hey, Ryan, got to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
So Starner is he trying to be the go between
between Washington and the.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
EU exactly, yes, and Ukraine and just trying to I
think provide some security for Europe, or at least to
make sure that Europe's voice is heard, because what we're
seeing is Europe being sidelined about an issue in Europe.
And it's shocking. I mean everything over the weekend that

(01:29:28):
happens so so quickly. What we know today the Americans
will meet with some sort of a Russian delegation in
Saudi Arabia. And the big fear was that this was
a carve up, that Europe was being completely sidelined to
be known that Europe at the table defending Ukraine's interests.
So Starmer is stepping up. We know he has booked
in a trip to see Trump next week in Washington,

(01:29:50):
and in addition to that, Starmer came away from Paris
last night saying that he will convene a meeting of
European leaders in London after Starmer gets back from DC
next week. So this is a seismic week for Ukraine
and indeed for.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Europe and for Starma. Right, it's quite interesting watching this
play out. Do you know one thing I noticed when
he was delivering his statement after the meeting, And I
know this is a small thing in there, but he
was reading it from a piece of paper and I
just thought, you know, can you not think on your feet.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
Look, he's a lawyer. Everyone criticizes the guy. He's a
lawyer who became a politician. And I think he's suffering
what I call TBS here Tony Blair syndrome. Everyone thinks
labor leader. You know, Blair could walk into a room,
no notes, no paper. He was the biggest brain in
the room. He was the best communicator I've ever seen

(01:30:43):
this country produce.

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
And Starmer isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Starmer is a methodical lawyer who likes detail. He likes
things written down rightly or wrongly. But but look, the
alternative was Boris Johnson making it up as you go along,
and look at.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
That ended European lead and skeptical of about his boots
on the ground claim though right, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
So what he offered because he's quite aware Trump is
a transactional president and if you're going to go to
the Trump table, you need to bring something to the deal.
And Starmer's idea was that he would offer British troops
in their thousands to work as peacekeepers, that they would
be on the border between Ukraine and Russia. He didn't
say for how long. That's the big fear here, that

(01:31:26):
Mission Creep would set in and this could be a
very long time. So that was Starmer's idea that they
would provide a European security force kind of blue helmets
or white helmets whatever, but ultimately neutral peacekeepers and all
off Schultz, the German chancellor for probably another four or
five days until the election this weekend, he said that
he was getting irritated by these kind of conversations. He

(01:31:49):
does not like it at all. The Spanish were not
exactly forthcoming either, So it may well be that Britain
just provides the peacekeeping troops. We don't know, but Starmer's
quite a where that if you're going to go talk
to Trump, you need to bring him something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah, and you need to have your numbers sort of
out hit. You know how many you can actually are
you capable of delivering more bad news for Jim Rettliff.
This is Manchester United decide gym. What's happened now?

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
So as he cuts costs absolutely everywhere in his sporting empires,
you know only too well in New Zealand, Manchester United
are not being spared. There are costs going, there are
jobs going, redundancies and on the pitch everything is going wrong.
They lost again at the weekend. Who are really average
Tottenham Hotspur side. However, they have one player, a Brazilian international.

(01:32:38):
Cassie Miro is his name, and this guy was amazing
was being the operative word here when he was at
Real Madrid. United brought him in for the transfer fee
of one hundred and forty million dollars a couple of
years ago. He is reportedly on six hundred thousand n
Z dollars a week to kick a soccer ball round.

(01:32:59):
Now it's quite clear he's not at the standard he
used to be. The whisper has been United have been
trying to offload him to Saudi Arabias if any of
the clubs were crazy money, just to get his wage
off the bill. Well, step forward Cassie Mirro and he
has let it be known he has eighteen months left
on his contract. He's very happy at Manchester and he's
going to see out his contract. So Jim Ratcliffe will

(01:33:20):
be paying him six hundred k a week for the
next eighteen months gold figure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
That is a lot of money, isn't it. I suppose
for Jim Retlif it's not a lot of money. But
for you and I goodness me in the thank you, I.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Play for half that, Ryan, I play for half that,
but for Liverpool.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
In the think in the Brady, a UK correspondent with us,
it is twelve minutes away from seven here on news
Talk to CB. You know, I was looking the other
day somebody messaged the show on Monday. What is the
day today? Goodness me, it's Tuesday. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Get it together.
So somebody message the show on Monday and said, do
we have terroriffs on other countries? Because we are very

(01:33:58):
quick to point the finger and say that we should.
You know, Trump's a bad man. You should be dropping tariffs,
shouldn't be imposing terraffs, et cetera, et cetera. We want
a free trade world. Well, yes, we do have some tariffs,
and that they're not massive. I will caution you. We
obviously have tariffs, well, excise duties on booze and cigarettes
and stuff, but those are applied equally whether we import

(01:34:19):
something into New Zealander, whether we produce it domestically. Those
excise duties are put on most like passenger vehicles for example, cars,
all computer software, hardware, they're all tariff free. And most
terriffs that we do have are tiny. We're talking zero
to ten percent, But we do have tariffs. We have

(01:34:40):
tariffs on clothing, footwear and carpeting. Now I'm assuming this
was to protect manufacturing in New Zealand back in the day,
and I was trying to figure out why do we
still have them now? There was reference back in two
thousand and nine under the previous national government wanting to
keep small amounts of tariffs on should we need to

(01:35:04):
negotiate a free trade deal in the future so that
we have something to offer up like, oh, yeah, we've
we've got a five percent tariff on shoes. We'll get
rid of that if you give us X Y Z
on our beef and milk powder. So anyway, I'm not
quite sure why they're there, but we do have tariffs
on some pretty strange things. You know, your Nike shoes,

(01:35:25):
for example, apparently have a tariff on them. Ten to
seven News Talks EBB.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
It's the Heather two per Se Alan Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalks EBB.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Seven Away from seven News Talks EBB. If you're somebody
who hates the gym and you hate going to on
walks and going for runs and keeping fit, basically well,
have I got a story for you. So it's just
a small study, and I want to caution you, but
it's a small study. It's only forty eight people who
are invited to take part in a laboratory test where
they were told to dance and whatever style they wanted to.

(01:36:00):
It's from Northwestern University in the United States, and they
wanted to look at whether you can dance. How much
do you have to dance in a day in order
to meet your minimum recommended minutes of moderate to vigorous
physical activity or exercise per week, which by the way,
is one hundred and fifty minutes. So if you're not
doing one hundred and fifty minutes of moderate to vigorous
physical activity a week, you're probably gonna dice in. All right.

(01:36:22):
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but
that's it. Anyway they have said you already need to
do is twenty minutes of dancing a day, which actually
is quite a lot because I don't know about you,
but when I dance it is vigorous. It's five minutes,
So four five minute slots they reckon and you will
meet that. You will hit your targets because your heart

(01:36:43):
rate is so elevated compared to what it would be
if you went for a walk four or five minute
bursts and you're away laughing. There you go, Andy, what
are we going out to tonight? Is this something you
would dance to?

Speaker 7 (01:36:56):
Well, I'm not really a dancer.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Well what do you I can't really see you dancing? Actually,
what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (01:37:01):
Have I mis mislabeled you there?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Completely misgendered me, misgendered you as well? All right, No,
I do love and I do like to dance at home,
you know, when no one's looking. I like to talk
back or what do you?

Speaker 23 (01:37:15):
What do you go for?

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
No, I like to go for a bit of Well,
actually I've danced to this song. I have danced to
the song in my living room.

Speaker 32 (01:37:22):
We found Love and Ryan's Place or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
That's how good.

Speaker 30 (01:37:26):
Now.

Speaker 32 (01:37:26):
The reason we're playing this is because the Mission estate
opening a poll to find their next big act. So
essentially you can go online now you can vote for
the act you want to go to the Mission of State,
which has actually attracted a lot of really good artists
in the past. I had the list here, but I
got distracted.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
What have we got?

Speaker 32 (01:37:45):
Phil Collins, Sir Rod Stewart, Dixie checks to out in
John all in the past. But you can vote for
who you want to go because they want to get
a sample size of what people are into at the moment.
So it could be Guns n' Roses, Kadie Pierry, eminem
Rhianna who this is all on the list as well,
So have your vote and they could be making their way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I went to see Eric Claptain at the Mission of
State and he was very upsetchy, didn't even really say
hello to anyone, which was a bit of a what
was this problem? Well, I actually heard it was something
to do with the fact that because he's a teetotaler
and there was a wine that was made with his
name on it, which I don't think he appreciated obviously,
as you can imagine playing it anyway. I mean he

(01:38:26):
still sounded great. There you go, all right, Thanks Andy,
and thank you for listening and order your text and
all your feedback. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 33 (01:38:32):
Tomorrow, Yellow Dinond said the line how was done? How

(01:39:09):
the shadow blong to Sun?

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
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