Full Show Podcast: 18 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts analysis.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
The Drive show you trust for the full picture.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Heather Duplicy on Drive with One New Zealand, let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 5 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. The government
is giving itself the power to overall stupid counsel development decisions.
We're going to speak to New plymouthsmere about that. The
crusaders abanning the cowbells from the final we'll speak to
the crusader's boss about that. And IID has busted the
horticulture workers for not paying enough tax, and we'll speak
to IID about that. Heather, Hey, do you know what
I'm not going to miss? The Census? I mean if

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there was anything that showed how bad government can be
at embracing technology, it was the Census, wasn't it. I Mean,
this is a time where governments collect huge amounts of
electronic data about you, and then they asked you to
fill out a pay per form and send it in
and just tell them all that stuff all over again.
They already know what you're earning, ID has that, they
already know how many bay we're having, how many of

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us are dying, how many of us are getting hitched, birth, deaths,
and marriages have that. They already know how many of
us are leaving the country, how many of us are
coming into the country. They collect that too. They know
how many one to three bedroom houses are out there
that's being collected. And yet they were asking us to
tell them that all over again every five years. That

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made that all exercise a giant waste of money, didn't it?
When you think that they already had the data and
then they asked you to repeat it. Wasn't that a
giant waste of money? The last one cost US three
hundred and twenty five million dollars. The next one was
going to cost US four hundred million dollars. Now, I
accept that there is information that we will lose by
scrapping the census, because as far as I know, no

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government department collects information on how many languages you speak,
or what your sexuality is, or what your first language is,
or how many people live in your house. We're not
going to be able to know that stuff is easily now, right,
So I accept that there will be some stuff that's incomplete.
But we already have an incomplete set of data, don't we.
The huge numbers of us because of rather the huge

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numbers of us who haven't filled it in. In twenty eighteen,
we didn't count one in six kiwis. That's not complete
at all. So either way we're not going to know
everything except one way was going to cost us four
hundred million dollars, wasn't it. Scrapping the census was long overdue. Ever,
nine two nine two is the text number standard text
fees a play and shame that we see. The minister

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responsible for this is with us after five o'clock. Now,
I've got some great news for you. You're soon going to
be able to buy melatonin over the counter like you're
an adult living in the first world. Also, magic mushrooms
will soon be able to be prescribed for depression treatments.
David Seymour is the Associate Minister of Health who's brought
the scent or is bringing this in, and he's with
us now, Hi, David, Hey, either what it's wild that

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we weren't allowed to buy malatonein or still aren't allowed.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Why is that I haven't actually been able to find
out the ban was put in place in nineteen ninety six,
or at least not a ban. It was made prescription only,
but much like sudo for Dream that we unleashed last year,
once it became prescription only, not enough people got prescriptions
and no one bought it into the country, and the
whole thing dried up.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
So what have across these stupid ideas?

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Well? I think good idea is to get rid of
stupid rules.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
But how do you come across these stupid rules, David?
Do people come to you and say, hey, listen, there's
this really stupid rule. You should overturn it. Or are
you just reading through stuff and you go, why are
you doing that? That's stupid.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
We're getting a lot of feedback about melatonin and cyber syllain,
which we could talk about if you like magic mushrooms
as you described it. You know, we had people right
in the Ministry for Regulations. Now I got a red
tape tip line which is supplying a lot of these ideas,
and we're just trying to deregulate something if we can

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every day.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Okay, let's talk about the magic mushrooms. Now, this is
only available to people I understand who've already tried a
whole bunch of stuff to get rid of the depression,
and it doesn't work, Is that right?

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah, And look it's tempting, I think for people to
get in the fun of everyone having magic mushies, but
they're actually very serious. Around the world, including here, there's
people with really serious, untreatable depression and there's a serious
scientific research effort that has found that actually psilocybin is

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something that can treat it when nothing else can. The
Food and Drug Administration, the FDA and the US has
recently consented it, so they're taking it seriously, and psychiatrists
in New Zealand have expressed that they'd like to be
able to prescribe it. MEDSAF has said that one psychiatrist
initially will be able to other psychiatrists can now apply

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for the ability to prescribe, and I think it can
make a big difference for people with a very very
serious mental health challenge.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Where's this one psychiatrist living.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
That is something that we are not going to disclose
because we don't want everyone in the country asking them
for psilocybin. But they will be well the simple reason
that they want to prescribe it for the patients that
they have.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
But that's not fair, David. Why should it only be
a lucky a total lottery as to whether you get
the right psychiatrist or not. Surely, if somebody has tried
absolutely everything in their living with depression, they should know
who the psychiatrist is so you can go see them
and see if this is appropriate.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
Well, if they're in that situation, then their psychiatrists can
also apply to be able to prescribe it. So we
are going to open this up a lot more. However,
the decision was that if it was to get out
that somebody had the ability to do this, then they
might get a lot of harassment because a lot of
people confuse this for their recreational drugs. And I totally

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understand your point, but that's why we're not giving their name.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Okay, now, can you explain to me what is going
on with this weird plan that you have to make
it easier for bosses to be able to fire workers
who are earning one hundred and eighty thousand dollars or more.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Well, first of all, the rule that is being put
in is exactly the same as Australia. So there's a
large country to the west of here where they don't
think it's weird at all. It's just the Norman It.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Hasn't Well, it's led to like huge amounts of litigation.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Well, I mean a lot of laws lead to litigation.
That doesn't mean that the benefits of the law are
less than the costs of that litigation. There's lots of
litigation around our current employment law that we press on
with it. I also make the point that this is
an opportunity for a lot of people to get a job,
especially younger people trying to move up, because you can

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put as many protections as you like and make it very,
very difficult to dismiss someone if it doesn't work out.
But every action has an equal and opposite reaction. In
this case, if you make it very difficult to move
someone on if it doesn't work out, a lot of
employers will compensate by being more hesitant to give someone
an opportunity in the first place. So simple question is

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do you want a dynamic economy with opportunities and growth
or do you want more of a Nana's economy where
you lock it down and say a few people who
are desperate to keep what's their even if they under perform,
take away opportunity for everybody.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
You know that anybody can get fired or founder perform.
This is just to make firing quicker and easier for
the bosses. But it seems to me you're taking a
political risk here because this is exactly the kind of
person earning this kind of money, who lives in EPSOM,
who lives in your electorate, who is likely to vote
for ACTS. So aren't you running the risk of pissing
off your own voters.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
I read your column, Heather, and I think the thing
that is a bit where it is your fixation with
the policy. And then to answer your question, first of all,
that the vivil that support ACT typically are people who
are aspirational and they want an opportunity in their own future.

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They want to ynamic economy, they want opportunities for their kids,
and putting a whole lot of red tape around employment law.
As I say, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
But the second point that I'd make is that you know,
you said a second to go, oh, well, actually, it's
it's already easy to fire people, so this will make

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it no difference.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Don't misquote me. That's not fair you did. I said,
you can already fire somebody for underperformance. This simply makes
it easier and faster.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
Yeah, okay, so we basically are talking about the same thing. Now,
we both agree that if someone's underperforming that they should
be able to be let go. The question is how
much red tape and bureaucracy do you want in that
If you want a more dynamic economy with more opportunity,
then that's this is the way to get it. And
I believe you talk about political risk people of the

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EPs and electorate, you know, they didn't get there by
being the kind of people that don't want to see
opportunity and dynamism in the economy. And that's exactly what
this policy.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Is about, right, David, thank you. I really appreciate time
is always and good work on the malaton and that's
David Cemare, Associate Health Minister. You do know about the
malatonin situation, eh, Like just it is just one of
those things that we got used to and when you
think about it, you think, why did we ever accept
it as completely mental? People would fly not to America
to get malatonin, but I have friends and colleagues who

(09:28):
would go to America and they'd be like, do you
want me to grab some melotonin for you guys in
the office. We'll go to America get some malatonin or Hey,
I'm off to Australia. Do you want me to grab
some malotonin for you? Because we couldn't buy it over
the counter here, but they could. How crazy is that?
Seventeen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
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Speaker 5 (09:49):
Zippy Darcy Wader Grave sports talk hosters of those stars. Hello,
do you think about banning the cowbouts?

Speaker 7 (09:58):
I think it's really funny to you. It's they're having fun,
that's all they're doing.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
They just have a bit of a poke follow through
with it. Yeah, doesn't that take some of the fun
out of it? Though?

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Well?

Speaker 7 (10:12):
I know, I don't you think that.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
From Mansbridge's point of view, it's like, well, I'm the CEO,
it's my team and it's our home game, and we
get the advantage.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
I'm not giving them anything. I'm not giving them an inch.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And so he's saying, na, I'd be interesting to see
how many gets knuck on the door now they can
actually do, and whether the security actually come down on
them and try and take said cow bell off them,
because it's been said that as part of Taki's stadiums.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
It's a musical instrument, and they don't like musical instruments.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
They've banned them all, like those vouverzella and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Right, I don't really call a vouverzella or a cow
bell a musical instrument.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
It makes one noise. How is that musical? Although Pharrell
with the.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Cow bell, No, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Look it up. Okay, well, look it's a little video.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Look I suppose because I was, I thought, I think
it's a silly decision. I mean, it's good for a niggle,
but I think it's a silly decision because it takes
so much of the fun and the atmosphere away. But
then I guess they don't care, do they, Because it's
not as if the chiefs are going to go, well,
I'm not going to play you next time. We'll turn
up if they have.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know if New Zealand's renowned for fun and
atmosphere and anything lead alone rugby, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
I mean, piping some fun. It's just it's it's bringing
the attention to the final, not like we don't need
the attention of the final anyway, because it used to
be Auckland Canterbury. Now it's the Chiefs Crusaders.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Actually, hold on no, someone said to me in the
office today, Now you got it wrong. It's anyone in
the Crusaders.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
Do no matter who they're playing, they don't like them.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Are you fixing the state of origin too tonight?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (11:44):
I'll be up for that. It's not starting much later.

Speaker 9 (11:47):
I thought it might have been in Perth, but they've
obviously adjusted that for the Eastern seaboard because I don't want
to upset that Mites and suddenly or quint now do
they Last time out they didn't fire a shot Queensland.

Speaker 10 (12:00):
That was depressing the second half. They still couldn't fire
a shot at home and they were looking down the
barrel of consecutive losses at home. And they didn't get
flogged on the school but but they got flogged everywhere else.
And the problem here is that New South Wales they've
lost one of their harbs, but they've welcomed back and

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Jerome Lewi, so that means Lewie and Clary, who made this
wonderful combination the Peen so long, are going to be
back tormenting brilliant.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
Ideally that should be sorted. We've got a cow Bell. No,
he hasn't got a cal.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Darcy water Grave Sports store coast. We're back at.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I'd say seven o'clock and Colin Mansbridge and Simon Graphs
are going to join us.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
We'll get them fighting.

Speaker 11 (12:46):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Two getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather Duplicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
They'd be here.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yep. We're not voting act because of that policy? Would
I want to live in less security than we have
now here? The why not go at FO one hundred
and twenty thousand dollars instead of one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars. It's ridiculous teaching our kids that being aspirational
means you lose rights. Do you know what David Siemo's
touchy on it? Do you notice that very touchy on it?
Because he accused me of being obsessed?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Am I?

Speaker 5 (13:17):
I mentioned it once yesterday? Well, to be fair, I
mentioned it once and then we had an interview, so
let's say twice yesterday. Oh and then we did speak
to the huddle. Okay, we mentioned it heaps yesterday. But
I've only mentioned it basically one day and then I
just brought it up again today. I don't think that
equates to being obsessed. But what he's trying to do
is he's like, he's saying to me, you're obsessed. Stop

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talking about it, which just makes me want to talk
about it more. And so we will anyway. Listen, Just
for can I just give you a tip. If you
are a Chiefs fan and you're heading to the Crusaders
game and this Colin Mansbridge thing is winding you up,
what we are going to speak to him about quarter
past five, what you want to do is go onto
your phone. I mean, I don't know if you could
be bothered with this, but just in case, you can

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go on to your phone and you just download apps.
You can download cowboll apps. I've got one to illustrate.
I got one that I my phone. When I shake
my phone, it does a cowboll Listen. Is there any
good ads?

Speaker 12 (14:13):
I think we might need twenty thousand more Chiefs fans
of that one to work.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
And it's not always shaking it quite a lot. It's
not working anyway. It's a little bit dodgy, but it
does work ish and if you take yourself a little
phone app take yourself a little yui boom, pump that up.
You might be No, it does does feel like a
lot of hard work, doesn't it. Anyway, we'll talk to
Colin mans Bridge about that when he's with US. Quarter
past five on the US Iran. Now it looks increasingly

(14:38):
possibly like the US may be about to get involved
in this situation. That's because Ted Cruz had a bit
of a slip of the tongue when he was doing
an interview with Tucker Carlson. This is due to air tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Weird carrying out military strikes today. You said Israel was
right with our help.

Speaker 12 (14:54):
I've said we Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

Speaker 13 (14:57):
Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government
last night denied, the National Security Council Spokesmanlex Fafer denied
on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's
behalf in any offensive compacity.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
We're not bumbing then Israel's bombing.

Speaker 13 (15:09):
Then you just said we were, We are supporting asks.
You're a senator if you're saying the United States government
is now.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
We're at a run right now.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
People are listening, So.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
What's going on. Robert Patman, who has been watching this situation,
will be with us after five and give us his
thoughts on whether the US is about to get us
out involved in this headlines next.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Came to from all this lane talking.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected the news talks they'd be.

Speaker 14 (15:46):
You don't have to follow.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Oh god right we Shane Rici on canceling that sinsus
after five o'clock, let meet you across the consumer confidence
numbers still up a little bit, but still not that flash.
This is the wes Pac McDermott Miller Consumer Confidence Index,
when up two points this month. It's now at a
level of ninety one point two. Now anything under one
hundred is pessimistic because it shows that more households are

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pessimistic about the economic outlook than those who are optimistic.
Ninety one point two under one hundred not that flash.
What it shows is that people are still a little
bit nervous. But given that it's picked up a wee bit, hopefully,
hopefully it's the start of it heading in the right direction,
and hopefully also some of those interest rate cuts that
we've had of recent times will start heading the bank
accounts and make people feel a whole lot better. Thomas Coglin,

(16:35):
by the way, is traveling with Christopher Luxen. I think
they're in Shanghai at the moment. We're going to touch
base with him in about ten minutes, twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Donald Trump is reportedly considering joining Israel's war on Iran.
According to CBS, his advisors are conflicted on whether this
would be a good idea. Iran says that the Israeli
attacks have mostly killed civilians. Here's what Israel's UN ambassador
thinks of that accusation.

Speaker 11 (17:01):
We will do everything we can to minimize civilian casualties,
but as you said, you know it's a wall, and
we have seen what happened in our cities, so we
will continue to target the military sites in Iwan.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
In New Zealand, flights to Bali have been canceled after
a volcanic eruption on the island of Flores. Newstalk ZB
Scarlet'spontanovitch is on Flories and now she stranded in Bali
for at least a few more days.

Speaker 15 (17:27):
I woke up to a text message from a New
Zealand which said my flight had been canceled, and half
an hour later it provided more information that said it
had been canceled due to this volcanic ash and there
will be days of disruption while they try and get
travelers back on their crept flight.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
There are worse places to be stuck. And finally, an
eighty year old man has tried and failed to drive
his Mercedes down the Spanish Steps in Rome. The car
got stuck part way down had to be removed with
the crane. Police say the man is local. He tested
for alcohol. He had no explanation for why he was
driving down the Spanish Steps.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
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Speaker 5 (18:10):
Dann's the News Correspondence with US Elo Dan. Hello, Heather,
all right, so does it look to you like the
US is going to get involved here?

Speaker 16 (18:17):
It sure does seem that way, doesn't it. I mean,
it's been crazy over the last couple of hours with
the President, as you just mentioned, announcing he's considering whether
to to launch these military strikes against Iran and then
the islec Toola just a short time ago, issuing a
warning on social media telling Israel quote, the battle is beginning,
and Trump is saying his patients is wearing thin and

(18:37):
he's demanding surrender. So he met with his national security
team today, spoke with a Israeli Prime minister of Benjamin
and Yahoo and it's I mean, despite having said that
we were not going to intervene directly in this conflict,
I mean, it appears that way right now because he
said we have complete and total control of the skies
over Iran.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Now he's the guy who's made a big picture hit
of the election about, you know, stopping wars, wars not
happening under his watch, And now how is this going
to go down with his voting base.

Speaker 16 (19:06):
I don't think they'll care one way or the other.
I mean, it's the same way he said that he
would solve a number of problems on day one of
his administration. You know, you can see what you want
when you're running for election, and once you get into
the office, I mean, people are going to hold you accountable,
but what more, what more can they do? So I
think we're going to have to kind of wait and
see on this. I mean, the US embassy a short

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time ago in Israel today said it's going to be
closed for tomorrow through Friday, and all the employees have
been told to shelter in place. So it's going to
be I think interesting to see what happens in the
next few days or even hours, and you get the
feeling though that's something big is in the works.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, does feel like that? What about I mean, do
you guys, do you guys reflect at all as voters
on previous US attempts to force regime change and how
badly that's gone, and then look at the situation and think, hmm,
we haven't got a great track records shod probably let
this one go.

Speaker 16 (20:00):
I think a lot of that fades with time. I
think everybody gets angry and upset, and you know, threats
are made and for for the next candidate that's going
to run or the current one that it's in office,
and then when the election time rolls around, you know,
you get the ads that target that the people. But
I think voters are I hate to say forgiving. Maybe
that's the wrong term to use, but I do think

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it kind of fades over time, and I don't think
they hold them as accountable as perhaps they should.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Right, So, if this one goes, if there's regime change
in Iran and it goes the way of Iraq, or
it goes the way of Labia, goes away anything else
that the US has been involved in, if it goes
tits up, everybody will just forgive Donald Trump for it.

Speaker 16 (20:38):
I think I think they'll find a way to deflect
the blame from the Trump administration, which, as we know,
I mean, he's been very good at in his base
seems to buy into.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Yeah, okay, listen, this new Donald Trump phone. Is this
made in China?

Speaker 8 (20:53):
It is?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
It is?

Speaker 16 (20:54):
It's they just announced this. It's a smartphone. You know,
he's seeing it's made in the USA. But now that
you know, the problem is it was actually made in China.
It's going to cost I think forty seven forty five,
which reflects you know, he's the forty fifth and forty
seventh president right here. And I mean it's kind of interesting,
isn't it that you've got a president here that some
are saying, well, you can't really be doing this. It's

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kind of a conflict.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
But he is.

Speaker 16 (21:18):
And he's got three carriers lined up three of the
big ones over here in the US, and you know,
I mean they they're justifying a monthly fee. They're saying
that a lot of the services are going to tack
on may make this kind of more expensive than he's saying.
But the site does say that if you got your
own phone, you can bring it over to the network too,
And it's just another way for him or his family
to bring in some extra money.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
I guess he's monetizing a hard eye. Now, what are
the states in the US where people are more likely
to have dark traces?

Speaker 16 (21:46):
Nevada, New York, South Dakota, and Texas which contained the
highest percentages of those who are in possession of this.
And they did this study out of Europe over I
think it was twenty years and they found these these
people that displayed different levels of dark personality traits and
it depended on their location and the societal conditions they had,
And it looked at one hundred and eighty three countries.

(22:07):
They found countries like yours that have a lower level
of societal corruption though, and in equity I'm quoting right there,
tended to have fewer of these so called psychopaths than
we do over here in this part of the world.
So nice job there.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
What then, did they shed any light on you know,
what it is that breeds a psychopath? Is it the inequity?

Speaker 16 (22:29):
It's the inequity right now they're saying, you know, it's
living conditions, and it's the percentage of population that just
have these dark traits that are embedded in our DNA
as we're born too. So a lot of it is
I think you know who you are when you're born,
and a lot of it is is where you grow
up in the conditions that you're surrounded by.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
All Right, Dan, thanks very much, Dan Mitchenson, US correspondent.
I was hoping he wasn't going to say the weather,
because I feel like the weather currently would breed a
lot of psychopaths, do you know what I mean? Like, Hey,
do you realize we're three days away from the solstice?
I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm looking
forward to that. Are you looking forward to that? I
cannot wait till with through that. And it occurs weirdly

(23:10):
early in winter, doesn't it, Like you get to the
point where the days start getting longer, but you know,
those temperatures are still going down you've still got a
slog of wet weather and kind of you know, and coldness.
But at least the days start getting longer, get a
bit more vitamin D, and you're less psychopathic. So that's good. Look,
there are real questions. Just want to get you across
a little bit more of what's going on with the Ran.

(23:32):
There are real question marks over the case for going
into Iran if the US does, because the US spies
are on record as earlier this year having said that
there is no nuke on the way. So Tulsey Gabbertto
is the US National Intelligence Director, was appearing in front
of Congress, told Congress that Iran Supreme leader had not
authorized the nuke program, even though they had managed to

(23:54):
enrich the uranium to higher levels, there was no formal
authorization of the program. Trump doesn't care about that. That's
the first you need to know what need to know.
The second one is that there's some weird stuff going
on between China and Iran. So on Friday, which is
the day after Israel was after Israel first attacked Iran China,
a plane took off from China. It was supposed to
be going to Luxembourg. It never made it to Luxembourg.

(24:17):
It flew across northern China, across them to Kazakhstan and
crossing to Uzbekistan, crossing to Turkmenistan and then whoop as
it got near Iran, not on the radar anymore. Next
day another one did the same thing. Monday, another one
did the same thing. What's worrying people who watch this
kind of stuff is that they're boeing seven four sevens

(24:37):
and these things are freighters that are commonly used for
transporting military equipment and weapons. So questions about that now.
Thomas Coglanin's next sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 5 (24:50):
It is coming up thirteen Away from five now. Thomas
coglan is The Herald's political editor with the Prime Minister
in Shanghai. Hi Thomas Hi. Okay, So what's going on
with the Chinese tourists? I've been talking about, why aren't
we getting as many as we used to?

Speaker 17 (25:02):
Yeah, and there's quite a lot less than we used to.
We're still at about sixty percent of pre COVID levels.
China was and remains a key tourism market for US,
and it is just not the strength of market as
it was pre COVID.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
One of the big.

Speaker 17 (25:17):
Issues that's been talked about a lot on this trip
is visa access. Now, if you're a Chinese tourist, you
need to apply for a visa in China, get all
your documents done, you get your visa in your passport,
then you come to New Zealand. Now, obviously New Zealand
will be a much more advertising and appealing prospect if
you could just show up at Auckland the airport, presume your.

Speaker 8 (25:35):
Passport and come and have a nice holiday.

Speaker 17 (25:37):
The government, you know, could do this, They could give
Chinese visa pre access to New Zealand, but they don't
want to. On the download appears that is because of
concerns about overstaying, asylum claims, that sort of thing. So
we've seen today transit visa to make it easier for
Chinese tourists to transit through Auckland the airport. We've seen
it the government making it easier if you've got an

(25:59):
Australian visa to come to New Zealand on holiday. But
that it looks like that these are free travel is
simply not happening, and that does appear to be a bit.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
Of a problem.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
It does appear to be a bit of a problem,
does it.

Speaker 17 (26:12):
Yes, So we were taking to trip dot com you
be very familiar with. That's the big online booking platforms,
China's biggest, biggest online tourism booking platform.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
The chief executive gave the chief chief executive.

Speaker 17 (26:27):
Jane Sun, gave Christopher Luxan a tour around the headquarters
today and she showed Chinese arrivals to New Zealand and
what they were doing.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
She also she showed lucks and that actually Chinese.

Speaker 17 (26:37):
Tourists are booking booking trips in a hurry, that they're
booking the trip and then they're leaving, and that suggests
that they are keen to get that visa free access.
But it looks like the government is just not going
to budge on that they're going to do everything but that.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
But they won't do that now.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
We spoke yesterday to a guy called David Man who's
an investment banker based in China. He said that the
Chinese are reasonably irritated by us because we made such
a fuss of India and went to India first and
haven't prioritized them. Are you got any sense of that
while you're there not yet.

Speaker 17 (27:08):
To be fair, we're probably not if there is a
sense of that, we're not going to get that until
Friday when Christopher Luxin's in Beijing and ther Meat seshan thing.
So if that, if there is a sense of that,
then then we won't we won't get that till later. Interestingly,
on the government side, that they are changing the way
they talk about India and China. They're saying, China is
a maturer relationship. We've been here for decades, we've had this,
we've got this, you know, pretty mature economic relationship between

(27:31):
between China and New Zealand now two thousand and eight.
That FTA was a long time ago, so that this
was saying that this is a mature relationship. We're better
than we're we're friends, and the India relationship is one
that is relatively new.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
Obviously we've got long.

Speaker 17 (27:44):
Standing connections through the British Empire, but in terms of
that economic relationship, we really haven't got a deep economic
relationship with India. So that I think they're trying to say, well, look,
different speeds for different relationships.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Okay. Now, obviously the world is watching what's going on
between us railing around the Prime Minister have anything to
say about that?

Speaker 8 (28:04):
Well, yes and no. He was keen to stay out
of this issue.

Speaker 17 (28:07):
He said that New Zealand was see piece and stability
in the Middle East and we're a long long way
away from that, which is absolutely true. And he said
that New Zealand stands with a number of other countries
and wanting and wanting a peaceful solution to that conflict there,
but one looks like a long way away.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah, Thomas, listen, thank you very much. Save travels. It's
Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political letters of traveling with the
Prime Minister in Shanghai. At the moment, it's ten away
from five putting.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
The tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
To me and Brown's the Health ministry. Of course, are
these numbers significant or just that? So it's an improvement.

Speaker 18 (28:41):
We're committed to releasing this information so that the public
can see how well our health system is performing. But
ultimately there is still a long way to go.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Are you surprised about the angst around the private sectment?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (28:51):
Look, there's lots of noise from the unions, the Labor Party,
various voices and other media. Of course, who just oppose
anything which is about actually getting things done for patients.
I don't think a patient key is when they're sitting
on the operating table and looking up at the ceiling
and going, oh, my goodness, who owns the roof for?
They're focused on getting their treatment done, and that is
my focus as Minister of Health, is getting the treatments
done that patients need.

Speaker 19 (29:11):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Z b Hi that the cowbells are awful. Many years ago,
I took three children they were eleven, seven and five
to Bay of Plenty versus Wycuttle and totung A Stadium.
We had a group of White Cuttle supporters just behind us.
The noise was so loud to ask them several times
to stop. We had to leave because the kids were
in tears due to the incredible noise. They just need
to be banned. They are horrible. Please see both sides

(29:39):
of a story. Well, I don't love banning other people's fun,
do you know? I mean, I don't know. I don't
like this. There's obviously there's limits to the fun that
you can have. But I don't feel like a cowbell
comes anywhere near that limit, do you know what I mean?
Five away from by the way, we'll talk to Colin
about it. Colin Mansbridge, he'll be with us quarterbus five.
It's five away from five. Now I've got some very
potentially very exciting news for you. If you just cannot

(30:00):
be faffed with this climate nonsense, how good is this?
Scientists have found that there is a big, mysterious carbon
sinc around Fieldland. We don't know why, we don't know
what is going on, but our carbon is disappearing. I
don't even know that they had the ability to actually
measure this kind of stuff in this kind of detail,
but evidently they do, and they are just seeing all

(30:22):
this carbon disappearing around Fieldland, so much more than they thought.
In fact, this carbon sinc is sucking up around fifty
to one hundred and forty million tons a year more
than the previous estimates. Now, just to give you an
idea of how much carbon that is, that is the
equivalent of somewhere between one and three years worth of

(30:42):
all of New Zealand's carbon dioxide emissions. From human activities.
How good is that? That means that everything that you're doing,
that's driving your car, me driving my car, the German
flying to Fiji, ants, I don't know, eating meat like
all of that stuff that we're doing, we don't need
to feel bad about it because that carbon sink is

(31:04):
hovering it up for us. Now they don't know why, okay,
and this is the important thing. They don't know why,
and they need to investigate this a little bit more.
But it may simply be that native forests in the
South Island are much more sucky when it comes to
the carbon than we had actually thought. So we were all, oh, yeah,
they're doing it, done a little bit. Actually they're doing
a lot. So what this means is, potentially if this
actually is you know, if they go back and double triple,

(31:27):
quadruple check it and they find out that yes, they
are in fact accurate, what it means is we can
stop stressing out, which go helpful, eather, build another huntly,
sell carbon credits to other people, use that money to
pay for our own surgeries. Like we could do a
lot with this, actually if we want to do so.
That's a happy news story, isn't it. We'll just wait
for them to They are going to be very skeptical
the scientists, aren't they and be very because of their hearts.

(31:50):
They still want us to just stop flying for the
hell of it, right, They're like, oh, if you could
just just keep on trying, you know, like don't build
a building because it will released carbon or whatever. They
still want that. So this is this is not really
what they want to find, but I'm potentially very excited
about that. I'll keep you posted. We are going to
have a chat to Shane Ritti next about canceling the census,

(32:12):
which again is fantastic because that's four hundred million we
didn't have to spend. And then after that, let's check
in with Robert Patman to find out what is going
on with the US getting involved in this Israel Iran conflict.
News Talks by.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Digging through the spin to find the real story story.
It's he the Dupas drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected News Talk.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Afternoon. The census is gon Berger. The government scrapping the
census and will instead use data it already collects through
agencies like IID and Immigration New Zealand. Plus there will
be smaller annual surveys to fill in the blank. Shane
Reti is the Minister for Statistics. High Shane, thank you
all to Heather. Will you be able to replace all
of the information with other information?

Speaker 20 (33:22):
No, we won't be able to place all of the information,
but the essential information for census we will be able
to get through the gather through the three collection sources,
administrative data, and then an annual community attribute survey which
will go out to about five percent of households, and
then targeted surveying for those hard to reach communities, those
that we might not even reach with a conventional census.

Speaker 14 (33:44):
Is what we're going to do.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Okay, so what kind of stuff are you going to
we'll fall out.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Of this.

Speaker 20 (33:50):
Or it'll be things like languages spoken, really hard to
determine that For administrative data, what we're working hard on
at the moment is some of the level three and
level four ethnicities. That's kind of hard to gather as well.
But here's the advantage. By pushing out the census of
twenty twenty eight twenty thirty, we're now able to give
some direction to other agencies of hey, look we're light

(34:11):
in this space. Can you please shift up a gear
towards this information that you do collect, but we need
it collected in the style of this type by the state.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Okay, So for example, with like income information IID will
obviously have that does is IID IID and other government
departments sharing that kind of information with Statistics New Zealand.
Is it easy for them to collate it and send
it over.

Speaker 20 (34:35):
We've got good robust mechanisms. ID is a good example.
There is a good pathway with Stats New Zealand. And
this is really important because as part of an economic
growth agenda we need really good economic data, which is
the other part of the announcement today.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Are you worried at all about government departments not wanting
to share information?

Speaker 8 (34:52):
Look?

Speaker 20 (34:53):
Under the Statistics Act there actually is a requirement yea.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
But do you remember there was a case about three
years ago where ordering Atomitiki refuse to share information with Stats.

Speaker 20 (35:02):
I do and that's certainly not the will of this
government and the CEE of Stats New Zealand is bringing
together all the other cees from the relevant agencies to
make it clear what their expectation is.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Is Stat's n Z up to the job, Shane.

Speaker 20 (35:18):
Look, it's fair to say that there's been some fallovers
with stats in New Zealand and so actually part of
our job it also to build trust and to build
quality in stats New Zealand. I believe these skills are
there and certainly on this time frame that we have
that they'll be able to rebuild their reputation and deliver quality.
So yes, that is part of the work head.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Shane, thank you so much. Make appreciate it. That's Shane
that we see the Minister for Statistics.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Heather due for Sels.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Sounds like the US is considering getting involved in bombing Iran.
US media are reporting that Donald Trump's emergency meeting in
the White House was held to discuss whether the US
should join Israel in the attack. Robert Patman is Otago
University's professor of international relations and with US Now, Hey,
Robert evening, how do you rate the answers that they
get involved.

Speaker 14 (36:02):
Well, he's the Republicans are split on this issue, and
he's obviously taking not only advice from colleagues, but soundings
from his party and the mega people who are his
bedrock support are very much against it, with people like
Steve Bannon saying that, you know, the president must stick
to his promise to be a peaceful president and keep

(36:24):
out America out of forever war was particularly wars in
the Middle East. On the other hand, no conservative Republicans.
They tend to take the view that the United States
should respond to nessa Who's official request for the United
States to enter the war alongside Israel. Remember this follows

(36:45):
an illegal and somewhat reckless attack by Nessiya Who about
five days ago. So it's a difficult decision I suppose
for the President to weigh, and he's going to have
to take very close account I think of, you know,
whether Nissan na Who's claim that Iran's very close to
nuclear bomb is credible or not.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
It sounds like the US is the only one that
has a bomb big enough to take out that nuclear
site that Iran has underground. So if they want to
take out Iran's nuclear capability altogether, they really do have
to get involved, don't they.

Speaker 14 (37:19):
Yes, But you know, you have to think this thing through.
If America goes ahead, that will only further incentivize Iran
in the future to develop the nuclear bomb. And the
knowledge that Iran has built up over many years now.
Iran is quite explicitly said repeatedly it wants nuclear energy,

(37:42):
but it does not want a nuclear weapon. And indeed,
the chief negotiator who was killed in the recent Israeli
attacks was televised in an interview saying two weeks ago
that Iran was quite willing to give an absolute category
surance that you will not develop nuclear weapons and will
accept on site inspection to make that happen. But it

(38:06):
wanted the right to develop nuclear energy. But the Trump
administration has moved away from that position. They they they'll
take the view that Iran can't have any nuclear capability,
whether peaceful or weaponized, and that's causing some concern amongst
many countries because obviously Israel has a nuclear capability, and

(38:27):
there are a number of countries in the world that
have nuclear energy that don't have nuclear weapons, such as
Japan and Germany.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Robert, thanks for talking us through to really appreciate your expertise.
That's Robert Patman, Professor of International Relations. Heller do for
c Allen here that does this mean this was really
the carbon sync? Does this mean that we can get
rid of the Climate Change Commission? They would be saving
a lot that's saving a lot of money right there. Yes,
I think so. Possibly, probably not, because you know would
have probably what we could do with the Climate Change
Commissioners turn them into a commission that figures out how

(38:56):
to monetize our carbon sinc. Hither the greens will be
even more irrelevant. Now I'm shedding tears for Chloe, Yes
we all are. Now you know how acc ACC doesn't.
You'll know this ACC doesn't just pay for you to
go and see the physiotherapist because you hurt your knee
when you fell over, right, They also if you have
to stay home because you hurt your knee so badly,

(39:17):
they will also provide you some financial support. Did you
know that it costs? Just last year, just that financial
support of paying people's wages cost two point five billion
dollars in one year. That's an extraordinary amount of money,
isn't it? That seems extreme?

Speaker 13 (39:33):
It was.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
It was more than one hundred and six I'd give
you the actual number, one hundred and sixty two thousand
people plus five hundred and seventy one, so one six
two five seventy one people who required financial support. They
were paid more than eighteen million days of weekly compensation,
coming to two point five billion dollars in two thousand
and four, the cost was less than one billion dollars. Now,

(39:55):
obviously inflation blah blah blah, But man, that's a lot
of money, isn't it. Fourteen past five. Hey, we all
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Speaker 3 (41:03):
Heather dupery Ellen Hither.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I think Robert Patman's got it a bit wrong. If
they weren't building nuclear weapons, why would they have to
build the nuclear facilities three hundred feet below the surface. Look,
I think we all know what's going on here. They're
not building nuclear weapons, but they just have to keep
everything safe, far far away from any bombs. Hey, yeah, no,
we didn't come down in the last shower, and none

(41:25):
of us did. Eighteen past five. Now listen, there's been
a bit of cheek from the Crusaders ahead of the
Super Rugby Final. As we know, they've told the Chief
supporters attending Saturday's game that they're not allowed to bring
the cow bells in they love the cowbells if they
love the chiefs. This is what it usually sounds like.

(41:47):
Colin Mansbridge's Crusaders CEO, and he is with us. Now
did you like that, Colin?

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Ah, there is awesome here, they're awesome.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Are you just niggling them? Is that all this is about?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
I'll tell you what you know politics, how you if
you're in government, you blame the opposition for everything that's
gone wrong. Well, I'm going to blame the opposition here.
So Simon, the CEO of the Chiefs, started just doing
these little wee techniques of just you know, bagging me
and and bagging us and just sort of throwing little
hats out there. And then he started on the cowbell thing.

(42:21):
Of course, like a groper, I came in fairly strong
and bit hard and large.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
He took the back.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Now I can't control the thing. Yeah, I took the bait.
Can't control the thing now. But but but he's he's
you know, he's created a bit of an issue for
his own fans. Will Will We'll make sure that we
melt down all of the cowbells and turn them into
an amazing trophy.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
That are you going to stick with us?

Speaker 8 (42:45):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
You're not going to back down?

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Unfortunately, we're probably gone too far that there are. I'm
going to dutifully sorry. I'm going to seriously say that
the current venue, it will be its last finals are
Super ABI Final obviously, and the challenge for it is
is that the seat centers on it. Don't quote me
on the numbers. I think they're about three fifty mils or.

(43:08):
But there's somebody that seat the size of mine. It's
a bit of a squash.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
And so you go to Eden Park, you got ethan
g you go to four Bar, you go to any
other venue in the country, and you've got a bit
of leg room and a bit of bum room. You
don't in this place.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
So are you saying that cow bell's right in your face?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I reckon if you had a whole lot of people
now that we've incited a riot, turn up with cowboys
and start waving them around, I think we're probably going
to create a rather confrontational attitude off the field, and
we actually want it to be on the field. So
I think it's probably best that people don't bring them.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Hey, did you ban so Elliott wants to know, you
know who Elliott is. Elliott wants to know if you
banned cowbells for the semi final in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Now, I tell you what, though, the Chiefs stopped us
taking them flags up there, and when we played the
Final Hamilton a few years ago. So so look, I
think this is all about Simon and the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
This is okay, so that but hold on, so that
semi final and twenty two was in the same venue. A, yes, yeah,
of course it wasn't an issue because they weren't.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
There was a couple of cowboys got in, but there
weren't that many. And the reason there weren't that many
was because nobody has incited this, right, so we innocently,
ye were innocent. We're innocent here, we're innocent.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Oh well, listen, Colin, you're gonna have to stick with
it now that you've started to make best of like
and best of luck. Also for the game. That's Colin
Mansbridge the Crusaders CEO, wow, I do not take one na.
You can see how this is going.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Five checking the point of the story, it's hither duplassy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Dogs then b yeah, can you please make a PSA
to all the cheaps fans to bring their UI boom
speakers complete with the cowbells Spotify soundtrack listen, just so
that you are fully aware of what's going on here.
You do know that Colin and Andrew from the Blues
and all of these guys have got a WhatsApp group
and they you know, they've stitched this whole thing up.
And this is just performative, like a wrestling match. A

(45:19):
he's just being the bad guy. They're just trying to
wind us up and it's working. It is working. Five
twenty five. Now, look, if you want to understand why
Chris Bishop has surprised everybody today by giving government the
power to overall councils on their development plans, let me
tell you the story of number five three eight Kutrang
a hupbeir Road. This is the piece of land that

(45:40):
the developer, James Kirkpatrick chose, James Kirkpatrick Group chose for
where they wanted to build the eleven story office building
that they had planned. We want to put the offices
at the top and the shops at the street level,
and they obviously had to go to the council and
ask for permission. Great site they thought, probably thought it
would be a slam dunk because it's a great site.
It's near the new train station, very easy to reach

(46:00):
via the cycle way, very busy part of Auckland, council
said no. Council said no because it would dominate the
street front, and no because it would compromise the heritage
of the local area, as in, wouldn't look quite right.
Do you know what's there at the moment? A car park?
Been there for ages car park. That's what they would
rather have. Now, this is the kind of stupid decision

(46:21):
making that you get at council level, and that is
why Chris Bishop is giving himself the power to override
decisions like that one. Now. I don't, as a rule,
love central government overruling councils who are also elected by us,
and I do not love everything that Chris Bishop does
when it comes to housing density. There is plenty I
disagree with him on, but on this occasion I'm leaning

(46:42):
towards thinking that he's doing the right thing. Because the
older I get, the more I realize that councils have
way too many half wits making decisions, and there are
way too many people around the council table who think
they can get away with just not paying attention. Like
do you remember the time when we found out that
Auckland's mayor had no idea that he'd voted for something
because he'd actually deseel it, delegated the decision making on
that subject to Ken the West Auckland Mechanic. Now, if

(47:04):
that's the kind of effort that's being put in, and
if decisions like the one on k Road is the
kind of stupidity that's being produced, then it's probably better
for all of us if Chris Bishop does have the
final say.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Don't you think ever due for see Allen?

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Now, the three year old and I went for a
cycle past the New World this morning in Auckland to
take a look because he loves the fire trucks, and
I am. I don't know if you've seen what's happened
to that New World, but I suspect that it's going
to be bold, don't you. I think this is a
very good chance it's going to be bold, because that
thing looks to me like it is munted. The roof
has collapsed, the plastic has melted, blah blah blah. Anyway,

(47:40):
you don't care. I care because that was my supermarket.
That's where my pineapple slice was. You don't care about that.
But what you may care about is the fact that
it's becoming pretty obvious that the construction started it and
I just wonder if after this in the sky towers,
the old of Sky City situation, we may want to
ask out construction blokes to just you know, be a

(48:01):
little careful with the tools and the sparks. Thank you
very much. Headlines.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Next, we can dance. We can dance online.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
There'd be.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Head why would you bother being an elected member? Now,
very good question. We will discuss the short lived listen
after six I just got to tell you we're going
to talk about the fact the IID has caught the
horticulture industry underpaying taxes to the tune of forty five
million dollars and the huddle's standing by right now it's
twenty four away from Sex. Now, on the subject of councils,
the Housing Minister Chris Bishop, as I told you earlier,

(48:50):
is giving himself new powers basically to change local council
plans by overriding councils. Cabinet has agreed that they will
change the r made to let them get rid of
any provision in a local council plan that will negatively
affect economic growth, employment or development. Neil Holdham is the
mayor of New Plymouth and with us now.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
Hey Neil, get ahead of heat.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
IM well, thank you? Do you like this or no?

Speaker 21 (49:11):
Yeah, I just want to acknowledge mister Bishop for listening.
I went and saw him shortly after the coalition government
formed and articulated our frustration with the planning process. The
reality is that elected council members have very little to
no involvement in the development of district plans. These things

(49:33):
suck in millions of dollars there. They're basically written by
a kind of elite bureaucracy of planners and you know,
we've had very limited influence on them, and they've tied
New Zealand up in knots the delayed housing. Essentially, the
way the process of planning works, I mean your post.
The district council spent about eight years developing and finalizing

(49:57):
a district plan. And the process is you bring in commissioners,
you pay them huge amounts of money. They sit there
and run the process for you, and at the end
of it you have two choices. You either yes or no.
There's no no ability.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
To change it.

Speaker 21 (50:12):
If you change it, you're exposed to court action, millions
of dollars down the drain. And actually we've ended up
with a district plan that that you know, is full
of things that are just difficult, annoying, and it just
panned us to a kind of elite group of planners
and lawyers that bogs New Zealand down. And you know,
it's these layers of bureaucracy and rules are cutting down

(50:36):
our ability to do stuff. We've got limited capital and
it's been eroded by these processes and compliance with you know,
with the best intentions, we've just buried ourselves. Minister Bishop
has listened and he's basically come up with, you know,
with it, saying it's going to take a couple of
years to fix this stuff, but in the interim we're

(50:57):
just going to pull the cork out of the bottle.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
And I think on we need to change the way
that we do it. I mean, rather than going through
that whole kafuffle that you just explained, shouldn't we do
something like have one giant plan for the country that
can be tweaked if you need to tweak it for
your area or something like that, rather than having every
single council go through this for so many years.

Speaker 21 (51:17):
Look, I think that regional plans instead of you know
where I am there. You know there's three district councils
and a regional council and you know, regional plans because look,
Auckland is different from Tutanaki, is different from Southland. So
I think there we don't need whatever it is seventy something.
I think you know a dozen or fourteen across New Zealand,

(51:37):
but with some common threads. I think that there should
be some elements of plans that are the same across
the whole of New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (51:44):
And I think.

Speaker 21 (51:44):
Minister Bishop has listened. He's trying to simplify these things
because I mean, I'll go back to it's this concept
of layering rules and regulations. I think it's really good
that we think about the environment. And if you think
about the first rules that that sort of came in
and said, hey, luck, you know, you don't necessarily want
to put a chuck shed in the middle of town

(52:05):
by you know, in a suburb, that sort of thing.
But what's happened is we've just piled on regulations and
we never took any off. And now you know when
you when you go to stick a spare room on
the back of your house and then you find you
got to spend five grand to get a planet to
look at it, and then they go, oh, actually I'm

(52:25):
not sure about your fire alarm system. Well it's let's
get an independent consultant in there to do a thing
and you can pay for that. And then they go, actually,
I'm not sure that that that I believe that things,
so I'll get my own one and then I'll charge
you for that. And we just you know, a year
later and you're twenty grand in the hull and all
you wanted to do was chuck a spare room on
the back.

Speaker 8 (52:45):
You speaks my labor.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Yeah, I love it. Thank you mate, really appreciate your
insight there. Neil Holdham, new Plymouth Mayor.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
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Speaker 5 (52:55):
Kind on the huddle of this this evening, Mike Monroe
and David Farrahllo.

Speaker 8 (52:59):
You too, good evening. Did you like you?

Speaker 5 (53:02):
I'm very well, Mike. Did you like the sound of
what you just heard from? Neil?

Speaker 23 (53:08):
Many children? Halfway through it.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
Well, he a good mare.

Speaker 23 (53:11):
Hold him.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
He does seem like a good guy. He was basically
saying that the process is all done. This is district
planning is all done by these unelected officials who take
years to do it. It cost millions of dollars, and by
the end of it, you're stuck with a plan no
one particularly likes, can't do anything about it. Too expensive.
So this is why you have to have the likes
of Chris Bishop coming over the top and change things.

Speaker 23 (53:32):
Ooh, interesting you interesting you. It feels very heavy handed
what Bishop is actually doing, because this government has gone
on a lot in recent years about localism, about and
you're putting these big decisions back in the hands of
local communities and local councils and this sense freethe of
counter to that.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
Yep, I would agree with that, although I think in
this case I'm going to cut them some slack on
that because I like what he's doing.

Speaker 22 (53:57):
What do you think, David Well, Well, I think what
the mayor says is right. They're lot and theory decisions
to live with local communities, but the reality is they
lie with a few town planning staff who have great influence,
and there's some price to do in it override what
the government's pot up is. If we can make the

(54:19):
case that these decisions are really hinder house prices, economic growth.
Will consult and we'll talk to council, but we ultimately
can override it. And you know, if people lotally don't
like it, there's local impasion, might not re elected. There's
party vote to worry about. So I think it's okay

(54:41):
because the reality just is that the planning restrictions we
have in New Zealand that have been terrible, there's no
other word for it. There's a reason our house price
is the biggest rising over the last fifteen years in
the world.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Yeah. I think you make a good point, then, Mike,
I'm on the census, so you going to miss it?

Speaker 23 (55:02):
Well, yes, I can fondly remember, you know, the old
days when sent to staff came door to door, and
mind you, that's all well nigh and possible now. So
it's with dangerous dogs roaming our sections and apartment blocks
or whatever and millions of people. Yeah, but you know,
we keep sort of going back and forth on this.
So we we tried this of electronic approach in two
thousand and was it eighteen or nineteen. Anyway, it was

(55:24):
a complete disaster and the boss had to get sacked
though oak Fender recall. Then we went back to then
we went back to the dear old paper since in
twenty three and here we go changing again. We just
sort of need to sort of work out, you know,
what's the best way forward.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Here it's gone, it's gone. You can't go it's gone, right,
I mean, you can uncancel it, but I doubt it
very much. So that's that's what we've decided. Scrap the
whole thing good.

Speaker 23 (55:48):
Yes, yeah, but it sounds it sounds like the Brits
that went down this path and then they changed their
mind and they going back to more judicial approach. So
you know, I mean, how hard is it in this
day and age to work out what's going to work best.
We've got this big istion of declining trust in government
and high in the rates, so the sensors are not
working well in the way. So I would have thought that,
you know, smart of minds of mind would have been

(56:10):
applying yourself to this for some times. We need this
data and we need to get a sort of out, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
David, I mean the thing about it is, I think
the census clearly wasn't working, but nor is really information
sharing between government departments, is it. So we're going to
kind of end up with a bit of a patchy
thing either way.

Speaker 22 (56:27):
Yeah, look, I'm a bit angry over that. The decision
was probably necessary because the official advice was we're paying
more and more money every five years to get these
and less people complete out cost one hundred but would
we say it should not cost four hundred million dollars?
In ophulsed that in a sense, the census is a

(56:49):
big pole. There's around forty fifty question, but we want
everyone in the country to take part rather than a sample,
and you have to really good infrastructure privacy around it.
But what we have pulling infrastructure that deals with millions
of people all around the globe, and it really should

(57:09):
not cost four hundred years.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Okay, So the cost is one thing that I was
talking to Laura the German about this today and she
said she doesn't like and she's smart, David. She is smart,
and she is a normal human being. She gets her vaccinations,
all that stuff listens to the mainstream media. She said
she doesn't want to have to answer the question about
what she gets paid in how big her houses doesn't
think the government needs to have that information.

Speaker 22 (57:31):
Yeah, Well, the thing is what they're doing is it's
a bitcunning because they're the name. Well, we actually know
what you earn anyway, because I details us. So we'll
just use that data from IRD two to work it
out anyway. But I think you do lose a bove
trust when the government's just saying here is the official

(57:53):
DARHA based on our secret data bases, rather than being
able to say we went down and knocked on every
door and emailed every person.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
And now, David, no, no, that's I think you know
you're overthinking this. I mean, we know the government knows
how much we're getting paid, so that's not a surprise to.

Speaker 22 (58:12):
Us, not on the payment stuff. But there is going
to be relying on the strait of data. Yeah, is
not going to be quite as good. And what's going
to be interesting is the youth census data to set
the electoral boundaries. Now, if there's not going to be
a census, how are they going to be set? Will

(58:33):
just be on whatever the steps New Zone UN says
as the population at any point at the time, So
there's going to be some big ramifications for them.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Yep, they make a very good point. Okay, we'll take
a break with you guys. Come back shortly fourteen away from.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
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Speaker 5 (58:52):
Back with Mike Monroe and David Farrer. Mike, see that
decision that David Syamore was taken today to basically make
malatonin available over the count So what do you make
of that?

Speaker 23 (59:03):
Well, as somebody who suffers from urd of in somnia,
all power to us, am I say, Now, look, I
think it's a good idea. I mean, I mean, jet
bag and in somnia are very irritating conditions. This one's
clearly been to have pulled over by by by the experts.
It's just not David Seymore coming up with a bright
idea of the middle of the night. Is that there's

(59:23):
been a lot of discussions about this for some time,
and and you know, given the numbers of people who
who require these sorts of medications to just to get
through their you know, their daily lives. Look, I'm quite
comfortable with that. Yes, it's you know, it's it's been,
it's been in the making for a while, and I
think it's about time that it arrived.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
David. I tell you what surprises me about this is
how long we put up with this kind of nonsense.
The US you can buy it over the counter. Australia
you can buy it over the counter. We fly there,
we buy it over the counter there, and then we
come home and we just think, God's fine. Can't do
it in New Zealand. Isn't that remarkable?

Speaker 22 (59:59):
E reminds me of the nineteen seventies when you had
to get a prescription to get margarine. Yeah, but it
was okay, but but you had to prove you had
a need for margarine to get Look malotphone. So many
parents have they've got kids who might be ADHD on
the spectrum, don't settled as a lifesaver. Well, I seenity

(01:00:22):
savor anyway, and you might know about about not having
sleep with young ones. And I am amazed that it
has been so difficult that you've had to go through
the prescription rope for it rather than you know what
they've gotten in the US.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
So yes, well over, And also, is there something and
what is up with us, David? That we always that
we do this kind of stuff that we make. You
get a prescription for margarine that we make you you
have to jump through hoops from melatonin? Are we just
know people?

Speaker 22 (01:00:49):
We're polite? Wait, I think people you will be part
of the key reculture is that we took just as
the process you go through at THEE and it takes
a few individuals. She makes something into a cause to
change that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I think we love a rule, mic I think we
like to complain about it, but we love a rule,
don't we.

Speaker 23 (01:01:12):
Yeah, we do. Banning cowbells at rugby stadiums.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Now, how do you feel about it?

Speaker 23 (01:01:18):
Well, I think it's I think it's petty. Actually, Look,
I haven't been too games in Hamilton that I watch
games on the television and I get irritated by the
cow bells too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
But hey, look it's.

Speaker 23 (01:01:30):
All about you know that particular support days, you know,
gene up their team and showing they're there and making
a bit of noise and it's long as it goes
on forever. They do it at the start of the game,
they do it when their team's on the attack or
maybe win a trial is called. And I think that,
you know, we just need to have a bit of
atmosphere at these stadiums because we do have a very
button down approach in New Zealand and we've san a
lot of things at stadiums. It gets bit defeication, you know,

(01:01:53):
the chiefs. The chiefs are the guests down there on
Saturday night and it doesn't make them feel very welcome.
It's not putting this band and if.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
We get here, not a lot of monarchy tongue is it? David?

Speaker 22 (01:02:04):
Is measthetic what they have done trying to justify Oh,
this stadium is the best of a small crown. What
hence he ever actually been? Like, let's ask acc how
many people have reported injuries due to someone waving a
cowbirl at a rugby game. It's obviously done just because
they don't want the other team to get the sort

(01:02:26):
of moral boost from it. You know, I remember go
old days when you know the Crusaders actually had the
horses charging around the field and well horse might have
jumped over. So let's bend that too. You know, trust people,
you know, if you bring a cowbell, don't bonk us
into your neighbor. Otherwise go for it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Yeah, love a rule, We love a rule, guys, Thank
you so much. Mike Monroe, David Ferra a Hudle. This
evening eight away from.

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Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Hither.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
We just came back from the States. We bought three
bottles of melatonin back with us, which we declared on
the way through. Customs took it off us and then
they sent it to Medsafe and then they required a
prescription from the GP. And when I provided that, they
sent it to my GP's clinics so that I could
collect it. What a waste of time and money. I'm
glad to see some comments. And can you imagine, just
imagine how much money that cost for the customs guys

(01:03:24):
to take it right. Then they had to fin out
some paperwork, and then they weren't doing their customers jobs
they were filling out the paperwork. Then they had to
put it in a container, and then they had to
hold it for you, and somebody had to file it
in a little data thing on the computer to be
like we've got We've got Sarah's malatonin. And then when
you and send it to oh, they sent it to

(01:03:45):
med safe. Medsafe says We've got Sarah's melatonin. You go
to the GP. The GP then gets in touch with Medsafe,
then Medsafe. So now we've already got one career package
from customs to mead Safe, and now we need another
career package from Medsafe to your GP. Oh do you
not sometimes just get so frustrated with the stupid rules
that come on? Guys, Come on, we lived through Muldoon.

(01:04:09):
We know these rules are dumb. Right, Let's not put
up with this anymore. Let's go that's a dumb rule,
get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I'm just that sounds like a stupid rule right now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
I don't know about you, but David, did you hear
when David said that there's a tip line for stupid rules.
I heard him say that, but I didn't think about
it anymore. But now I'm really exercised, and I'm gonna
dig up that tip line for you, and we are
going to have and we're gonna make one of those
little things like that with the tip line information. So
every time there's a stupid rule, I'm gonna play it
for you. And let's just get that thing firing, right.
Let's give them lots of things to unwine, because I

(01:04:42):
don't need this kind of crap in my life anymore,
do you what? I'm an adult. I want the Malatona.
I should be able to buy it. I want medsafe
and customs using up our taxpayer money with career packages.
Have you seen much of career costs?

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
How annoying?

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Anyway, Listen, looks like the old global markets are shrugging
off the Israel Ruan conflict. Look, we're all glued to
it and we're all thinking, geez, what's about to happen?
But that on the global markets it doesn't look like
they care all that much. We'll have a chat to
more fed Acid management about that in about half an
hour's time. But next ird on how they're cracking down
on the horticulture sector for those unpaid taxes. News talks AB.

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Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Even in coming up in the next hour. It turns
out the lawyers were called in to deal with the
Reserve Bank fighting with the Treasury over funding. Will get
you across that. Also, have a look at the market
reaction to the Iran Conflict and Westpact on the consumer
Confidence numbers seven past six. Now the IID has the
horticulture industry underpaying taxes to the tune of forty five
million dollars. Tony Morris is a spokesperson for IID with

(01:06:06):
a snow hey, Tony the head very well, thank you.
Is it more than you were expecting.

Speaker 24 (01:06:13):
A little bit more for the tenmants so far? But
it is an industry where there's a risk of tax
not being paid or either intentionally or not intentionally.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Why is it a risk for this industry, Well, it's.

Speaker 24 (01:06:26):
An industry where there's plenty of cash. There's sort of
a transient workforce, so the growers need to employ lots
of different people, not for a whole year, at different times.
So what we see in the industry is the growers
who need people to pick for them, they tend to
employ a contracting firm who employ all the pickers. And

(01:06:49):
the contracting firms at times can actually also contract to
another contracting firm to contract to the pickers. So it's
quite a complex industry. And if there's payments going through
with cash or what else, it's easy to sort of
get lost or things that happen intentionally where it's hard
to attract the money and not all the taxes paid correctly.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
So how did you crack down on this? Is this
basically because you've got that extra funding for enforcement.

Speaker 24 (01:07:15):
S anario that we've been looking at for a few years,
I mean, working cross gavernment to try and come up
with some solutions, but certainly the excellent using the extra
money as well to increase what we're doing over the
next year or so so a but both really, but
certainly something that's something that we need to keep working on.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Yeah, how do you put the cibosh on this?

Speaker 24 (01:07:35):
It's one of those tricky problems. Certainly we're doing audits
where we need to and investigations, but the more we
can do to actually try and get the paid text
early is the best results. So what we've seen over
ours years is we're trying to actually work with the
growers who you know who generally are doing the right
thing and want to make the industry safe, and working

(01:07:56):
with the industry to put more on them to make
sure that they can or we're told, texts from the
contracting firms, or make sure the contracting firms are viable
and compliant and similar with the contracting firms around when
they're paying the pickers, they're deducting texts early, so we're
not leaving the text to come from the pickers at
the end of the day, but trying to get the

(01:08:16):
text early on as the money's being passed across. But
a joint problem, but it's one of those ones that
I can educate people get the text early in the transactions.
That's the best way for us to go.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Good stuff, Tony, best of luck with it. I really
appreciate your time. Tony Morris, in Land Revenue Department spokesperson.
By the way, I think they're called just the Inland
Revenue now, aren't they?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
I are?

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
And I don't know about you, but maybe this is
just a sign of me getting old. But I don't
care if they change their name. I will call them
what I have always called them. Do you do that
as well? So it's IID for me and they're like
a man name's ordering a tamiki? Your sifts in my
head till the day I die, Ladies or you know,
like what's they called now? Cayeing or order house in
New Zealand? Do you know what I mean? Might just

(01:08:59):
be an age thing. But also don't pretend that you
got better just because you changed your name. I know
better than that. Okay, Burma quite happy to own it.
Wellington City Council. This came out yesterday, I think, But
I don't think anybody has done a proper look at
the numbers, because I haven't seen this reported anywhere to
any kind of great detail. So I've gone and had

(01:09:20):
a look at the numbers for you. Wellington City Council
has released its annual survey of how residents feel about
it and it is not flash. Only twenty seven percent
in Wellington trust their council. Imagine that one in four
people are like, yep, this council, I trust them, three
and four like not at all. That's a shocker, isn't it.

(01:09:42):
Number of people who have a sense of pride in
the way that Wellington looks and feels forty five percent,
as in fifty five percent of people going, nah, not
proud of it anymore. Wellington City Council makes decisions that
are in the best interests of the city twenty three percent.
Twenty six percent do not think they're making it decisions
that are in the best interests of the city. The

(01:10:04):
number of people satisfied or the proportion of people satisfied
with their council thirty six percent. The reason that people
have the satisfaction is also quite interesting. So thirty three
percent of people don't feel satisfied because they are seeing
excessive spending or spending on things that are not essential.
The number of the proportion of people who have concerned
about the priorities and essential infrastructure thirty one percent, the

(01:10:28):
proportion of people who have concerns about the mayor and
the counselors thirty percent, so one in three. And the
proportion of people who have dissatisfaction with cycle lanes and
the way it's being done twenty nine percent. There is
some good news, I'm not gonna lie. There's eighty three
percent of people satisfied with the rec centers. Seventy seven
percent satisfied with pools, which is always funny to me,

(01:10:49):
because when are you swimming? Come on, it's Wellington. You
have winter like ten months of the year anyway, whatever,
so for the two months that they go swimming, they
love it. Eighty one percent satisfied with curbside waste collection,
eighty six percent satisfied with artificial turf sports field. Weirdly,
these results were so secret before being released that even

(01:11:10):
the elected counselors, who people don't really particularly like by
the looks of things, were not able to see an
early copy ahead of the briefing from the council staff,
which happened at three o'clock, So and the lead up
to three o'clock couldn't see at three o'clock they got
at all, because that's how Wellington City Council rolls, very secretive,
even with stuff like this. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Yes, Heather still telecom to this day. Love It. Sixteen
past six. Now the Finance Minister has revealed that there
was some top, top level legal advice that was sought
over the Reserve Bank's battle with Treasury, and this was
overfunding and Nichola Willis revealed it this morning. She found
some of the bank's accounting methods questionable. I became aware
that the Reserve Bank had engaged in a practice where

(01:12:10):
it was bringing forward under spins, which had the effect
of ramping up its effect of budget Janative TRAINI is
the Herald's Wellington Business editam with us Hey Jana Hey
Heather seems like a reasonably significant step to get that
legal advice and doesn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:12:25):
Well, I guess there was a pretty big debate that
went on at the Reserve Bank and with the Treasury.
The Reserve Bank gets an envelope of funding every five
years from the government effectively, and you know, there are
a couple of ways you can look at that. Look
at that. You can say, well, it can spend that
envelope over the five years as it wishes, or you

(01:12:46):
can divvy up that envelope year by year and then
if you know, if it underspends one year, it can
carry that underspen forward to the next and spend more
that year. So that's what the Reserve Bank had done
and Nikola Willis didn't like that. And now under the
new funding agreement that takes effect next month, they can't

(01:13:07):
carry forward underspends.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Okay, So yeah, now did she get any questions about
Neil Quigley.

Speaker 25 (01:13:15):
She did and actually I would just go back to
this funding thing. I thought it was interesting she appeared
before Select Committee and Labor's Barbara Edmonds decided to focus
on this underspend issue. She sounded like she, you know,
was empathetic to the perspective that Adrian or had around this,
and you know, his his big argument was that the
government shouldn't get so involved with the Reserve Bank and

(01:13:37):
that the independence of the Reserve Bank was really important.
And you know, Adrian authought that the government was you know,
flexing a bit too much by trying to control how
it used its funding. So it was interesting that that
Barbara Edmonds kind of, you know, it seemed like she
was sort of had had some empathy for that perspective.
I'm not sure how well that that view would resid

(01:14:00):
they politically, you know, in terms of politicians always try
to get a few hits in these committees. But yes,
she did also ask about Neil Quigley, that's the chair
of the Reserve Bank Board. You know here that you've
talked about this a lot on your show. The way
he handled, you know, communication around Adrianaw's resignation was pretty terrible.

(01:14:20):
Nichola Willis has continued to say that she thinks the
Reserve Bank should have talked about, you know, not withheld
information about H's resignation for as long as it did.
But she hasn't gone so fast to say she doesn't
have confidence in Neil Quigley. She sees she still has
confidence in him, and you know, he's got an important
job to do because they need to appoint a new governor.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
Totally, and so obviously you need a little bit of stability.
So there is a case for him to stick around
for a little bit. I can see that. But the
Reserve Bank itself doesn't appear to have learned anything about
being more transparent. Hasn't because it's still being weird and cagey.

Speaker 25 (01:14:56):
Well, you know, this is the thing. It's sort of
shot itself on the foot because of the way it
handled Adrianaw's resignation. It didn't just tell us on the day,
look this is what happened, or it didn't tell us
soon after, Look this is what happened. It's not that
this is not some big scandal. Because of that, you know,
we are now paying more attention to everything the Reserve
Bank does, and one of the members of its Monetary

(01:15:16):
Policy committee. That's the committee that sets the OCR. Prisana Guy,
he did a speech at an Auckland Chamber of Commerce
event a week ago. This speech was newsworthy in my
perspective because it was only the second time that an
external member of that committee gave a speech. It's also
newsworthy because Prosana guy is someone who some people think

(01:15:37):
might be the next governor of the Reserve Bank. We
wanted to go along to listen to what he had
to say, and the Reserve Bank said no, They said no. Media.
They published some slides that showed what Prosana talked about,
but the speech wasn't live streamed or broadcast. So you know,
that has raised a few eyebrows because whatever anyone on

(01:15:59):
that committee said can be market sensitive. You know, they
might give insight into, you know, what the committee might
do next with the OCR. It is good practice for
that information to be widely available.

Speaker 8 (01:16:10):
Now.

Speaker 25 (01:16:11):
I have no reason to believe Prasana said something that
was you know, that would give some people information they
could trade on. But it all just does amount to
this sort of picture of the Reserve Bank being particularly
CAG unnecessarily KG.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Perhaps it's weird in CAG Jene, thanks very much, appreciate it.
Jane to Pirni, the Herald's Wellington Business editor, just really
quickly on the Tourism Holding's takeover offer. Analysts reckon that
the price being offered isn't enough. The price being offered
is two dollars thirty. Now on Friday, that might have
looked good because they were trading at about dollar forty six.

(01:16:45):
Then the offer came in. Then they shot up to
two dollars thirty to match the offer. Some of the
trades were at two dollars thirty one above the offer. Now,
analysts from Wilson's Advisory reckons that this is well below
Tourism Holdings trading range because it had highs of about
four dollars thirty in April couple of years ago, so

(01:17:06):
maybe two and a bit years ago. And they reckon
the fact that there were some trades above the actual
offer shows that the market sees a genuine prospect of
an increase in the price offer or a competing offer.
So watched that one six twenty one.

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Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
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Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
It's six twenty four times for Milford Asset Management. Andrew Kurtain, Hello, Andrew,
I love that well, thank you. So how the global
markets reacting to this conflict between Israel and.

Speaker 26 (01:17:38):
Iran That the markets have really shrugged it off of
only seeing equity markets come off very marginally. The ustock
markets down around about one percent of the conflict began
last Friday, So Marcu's really telling you that I think
this conflict at the moment's pretty contained as well in
Iran and they're not getting too spooked about it. We
have seen a little bit of move into safety. Some

(01:18:00):
investors have been buying gold golds up to a three
percent since the conflict started. But really where the most
action has been is an oil price is up about
sixteen percent since the conflict started, and go back and
started during it's up about twenty three percent.

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:18:16):
This sort of makes sense because Iran produces around about
three percent of the world's oil uptop, which doesn't sound
like a lot, but in a commodity like oil, we
even sort of a one percent destruction to oil production
can have quite a significant impact.

Speaker 22 (01:18:30):
On price.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Do you think it'll go higher?

Speaker 26 (01:18:32):
Yet, it's hard to tell. What would send the price
higher would be direct attacks and to major oil infrastructure.
We haven't seen that. There's been a few a few
sort of missiles that have hit some smaller pieces of infrastructure,
but we haven't seen anything that is really going to
disrupt kind of million barrel type levels of production. What

(01:18:54):
could happen as things escalators iron side to say, attack
some oil assets and sell their rays which produces grund
about nine attem percent of the world's oil, or in
the major escalation, they can shut off or started taking
cruise ships in austraightup for most which is to the
south side of Iran, which at round about twenty percent
of the world's oil passes through this. But I sort

(01:19:16):
of put that as an unlikely scenario. I think if
I run to this would really attagonize the US. Need
to remember that Trump wants lower at oil crisis, not higher.
So if you want a certain way to bring us
into the war, then you could go go started taking
earlier Arabian oil affent.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Very good point. Now, given everything that's going on, why
do you think it is that most global stock markets
have recovered from the low that we saw in April.

Speaker 26 (01:19:39):
Well, with the conflict in Middle East, it's really only
impacting right now the countries that are involved. It's not
really having an impact on the economic outlook for the
US or Europe. When New Zealand, Australia and so sheer
markets really care about what technic and economies where their
companies primarily operate, and if the economic growth in these
companies in these economies as fine, and the profit growth

(01:20:03):
in the companies in these countries will also be fined.
And so that's what I'm just is a truth and
this is sort of a relatively contained conflict for now.
And a few sort of stepped back a couple of
months since the equity market spot on back in April.
Since then, we've had quite positive new bond tariffs with
the delays on all the pause to negotiate deals around

(01:20:24):
the world between Trump and the major nations, also had
a slightly more optimistic look on the global macro outlook.
And also the sort of artificial intelligence trade which has
been a key theme over over the last few years,
has really come back with a theory and that has
sending a lot of stock slider. Microsoft Navidia Oracle back
to all time highs.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
Yeah, Andrew, thanks very much. Andrew Kute Milford Acid Management
headlines next.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
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Speaker 21 (01:21:11):
I'm dreaming you're trying to.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
Get grays from us out in the UK. Shortly. I
have got that tip line. If you so stand by,
we're going to get to a twenty five away from
seven now. Consumer confidence has improved, but we're still overall
more pessimistic than optimistic about the economy. That is from
the latest Westpac consumer confidence survey for the June quarter
comes after confidence dropped quite sharply in the first three
months of the year. You'll recall Satish Ranshot as Westpac

(01:21:37):
senior economist has.

Speaker 23 (01:21:38):
Tis good evening, Heather.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Do you think this is material information? Is this adding
to the data suggesting that we're in recession again?

Speaker 27 (01:21:48):
I think it really highlights that the middle part of
the year has been pretty tough for a lot of households.
We're still seeing a lot of pressure from rising costs
of the centrals, and generally we're seeing a lot of
negative news, especially on the global front, that is where
a lot of households.

Speaker 5 (01:22:01):
Do you think that things are going to improve once
we start getting those rate cuts heading heading our bank accounts.

Speaker 27 (01:22:07):
I do think we are going to see some bitter
times for a lot of households in the second half
of the year. As you say, we've had some big
drops and interest rates about two hundred basis points for
a lot of mortgage rates, but a lot of households
haven't rolled over on their mortgage yet. As we go
through that second half of the year, a lot of
households could be seeing a lot more money in their
back pockets as their mortgage rates drop.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Okay, So tell me how you think, because we've got
the GDP data coming out tomorrow, right, tell me how
you think the year looks in terms of the economic
growth story quarterback.

Speaker 27 (01:22:37):
I think it's probably going to be a bit soft
through the middle part of the year. Tomorrow'speakers are probably
going to show the economy grew by about point seven
that's sort of around a trend rate. Probably a little
bit mixed across the economy. But really, if we're looking
for a pack up and activity. We're going to see
it more through that latter part of the year, with
both those interest rate cuts heading people's back pockets, but
also more of that income from high monety prices really

(01:23:01):
flowing through the economy and their agricultural boost. That'll be
really important for a lot of regions.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
So are you saying, okay, so we get we get
this the uptick in the first quarter, uptick in the
last quarter, and in between those two quarters. Technical recession
probably more of a.

Speaker 27 (01:23:16):
Little bit of softness rather than a technical recession. I
think there are some positives out there for the economy.
Tourisms are bright spot. That's improving those agricultural export incomes.
They are looking great for a lot of regions. But
it's really more of a gradual picture for households. But
things are slowly getting better.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
Okay, But Satish, what we have seen in the last
two or three years now is that the data goes
it's lumpy, it goes up, it goes down, and goes
up and goes down. But essentially per capita, where it
is this really long recession. Does it just continue through
this year?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Does it?

Speaker 27 (01:23:48):
I don't think it's going to keep getting worse. It
might be a little bit soggy in the NETTA. We
have still been dealing with some pretty powerful financial pressures
like increases and living costs, but slowly some of those
pressures are easing off, and especially those lower interest rates.
That'll be a relief for a lot of households.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
When do we start When do we get out of
this bit though, where we're talking about it easing off
and getting better, and we're actually now we're into positive territory.
We're firmly above the zero and we can say we're
growing again properly.

Speaker 27 (01:24:16):
And I think by the time we get to the
end of this year, things will really start to feel
different for many parts of the economy. Our labor market
has been soggy, but slowly we'll start to see more
people being hired as household spending picks up, and as
more of those farming incomes of the lift. We are
already starting to see incomes and spending rights in many
parts of the country.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
Okay, now, I don't want to say I don't want
to be a negative ninni here, but we said this
last year eight we said, just survive to twenty five
and then it's bright all the way through and you're saying, basically,
don't worry, it'll be bright next year. What are the
chances that you're wrong.

Speaker 27 (01:24:50):
I mean, if something's going to surprise us, it's probably
going to be coming from the global economy. I mean,
we've seen the headlines recently, especially coming from the Middle East.
There's ongoing concerns about tariffs. But if we think about
the domestic story, it is looking better. It's great that
we can manage that global outlook.

Speaker 12 (01:25:06):
Right now.

Speaker 27 (01:25:07):
I think things are looking better, but there are those
risks that will have to keep an eye on.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
Okay, fingers cross, fingers crossed, the TIS thanks so much,
as always really appreciate it'sa TIS ranshod Westpac senior economists
ever do for ce ellens Heather on the stupid rules.
If you pay IRD between ten pm and midnight, it
doesn't register on their system until the next day, so
that means you pay the penalty for being overdue. It's

(01:25:33):
frustrating for small businesses when every single dollar counts. Oh yeah,
I mean, look, I don't want to be your mum, Theresa,
but you're going to have to pay before ten o'clock
because now we know about this right, and you know
what it's like, you know what it's like, you know
how they are, but speaking of stupid rules and they
being ird stupid rules. So somebody's asked me why it

(01:25:54):
is that we do We know why we needed a
prescription for marjarine, and I can, in fact answer that
question for you. It was a deliberate protectionist policy to
support butter over margarine. So essentially what we did was,
we were so desperate to support our farmers. Does this
sound like something we're doing again with maybe the wool

(01:26:15):
industry and state houses just saying so desperate to support
our farming industry that we introduced laws to restrict or
ban margarine production and sale. We had bands on local
production of margarine, we had restrictions on the import of
the devil's butter, we had prescriptions required for the purchase.

(01:26:38):
And it started to become ridiculous by the seventies because
people started to kind of clock what was going on,
like they got tired of Muldoon's dumb rules, and their
preferences shifted and they started hearing all that what we
now know is bad advice that you should eat the
margarine instead of the butter because of the high saturated
fat and stuff like that, and the prescription requires it

(01:27:00):
became a symbol of outdated regulation, and thus it was
finally removed in nineteen seventy four. I'm being very unfair
to Muldoon. There's pre Muldoon that was a pre Muldoon
issue if it was removed in nineteen seventy four, So
that's a who came before Muldoon, ants Kirk and who

(01:27:20):
came before him, Only teasing are you are you googling this?

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:27:28):
No, no it Sydney Holland?

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Wasn't it? Is it Sidney Holland? You'll go Keith, ho
are you googled? Because I'm impressed either way? Anyway, anyway,
all I want to say to you is if you're
one of those people listening to Nicholas and we have
made those State House people put the wool carpets in
because we are supporting our protecting our industry, and you're going,

(01:27:49):
that's what they did with the margarine, didn't they. The
nylon carpet is just today's margarine, and it's a bad
idea in the seventies, and it is a bad idea today,
eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
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Speaker 5 (01:28:14):
Devin Gray UK corresponds with us right now, Hey, Gevin
either right? So we have an answer on what caused
that mess of power cut and Spain and Portugal?

Speaker 8 (01:28:22):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:28:24):
Well it kind of asks more questions and it answers
in one sense. So back on the twenty eighth of Able,
that massive power cut disconnecting thousands of people shortly after
midday from the European electricity grid. People stuck in lifts,
on trains, electric trains, couldn't get out the doors, et cetera.
So now we hear that apparently the state owned grid

(01:28:46):
operator had miscalculated the power capacity requirements for that day
and didn't quote have enough dynamic voltage capacity.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
What does that mean?

Speaker 19 (01:28:57):
Whether regulator should have switched on another thermal plant a
power plant but miscalculated it and decided it wasn't necessary.
Then when there was the surge in demand, it couldn't
keep up and everything shut down. Now the Minister responsible
blamed private generators for failing to regulate the grid's voltage
shortly before the blackout happened, saying that should have prevented

(01:29:19):
the blackout either way. It isn't some kind of a
cyber attack, It isn't anything like terrorism. It was quite
simply a miscalculation. Plenty of demands for some serious retribution
on the socialist government.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
But what we're talking about here is an over reliance,
isn't it unrenewable energy and not factoring enough of the
burning stuff.

Speaker 19 (01:29:42):
Yeah, well that's what the government is denying, saying no, no,
we do have enough renewable, we do have enough thermal
as it were burning, but it was just miscalculated, incorrect
care and had we you know yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
Yeah, fuir enough. I understand that was just a little
listen for us. They keep those guests burners. Really, what's
the fine that twenty three ams been lumped with.

Speaker 19 (01:30:05):
Yeah, this is a very very substantial fine, in fact,
one of the toughest that the UK's privacy watchdog can issue.
They had a data breach back in twenty twenty three.
It's a genetic testing company and seven million people had
data stolen, including one hundred and fifty thousand Britons and
that personal information that was taken by hackers included all

(01:30:27):
sorts of things. Family trees, health reports, race and ethnicity
information may all have been stolen, along with addresses, dates
of birth, and profile pictures. Now you think, well, why
should that really matter, Well, because the database shared on
dark web forums contained a list of almost a million
people who had had Ashkenazi Jewish heritage according to the

(01:30:52):
genetic profiling, and of course that could be used by Nazis,
far right wingers, anti Jews in order to establish where
somebody lived that they were of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage and
that could therefore lead to them being attacked. So the
ico's fine here in the UK of roughly four point

(01:31:13):
seven million New Zealand dollars is pretty big, but it's
the most severe punishment the watchdog can impose, and twenty
three and Me also faces other countries doing a similar
set of privacy watchdog review. The company's defenses only became
strong enough to halt the attack by the end of
the year eight Pril twenty three it happened, So by

(01:31:36):
the end of twenty three they're in a better position.
And well, it looks like it's now sold or going
to be sold for roughly four hundred and fifty million
New Zealand dollars to the original co founder and her
nonprofit TTAM company as it's called.

Speaker 5 (01:31:53):
Wow Hey, Really quickly has British steel been saved?

Speaker 19 (01:31:58):
It looks like it's okay for the time. So the
government tro took it out the hands of a Chinese
firm jing Yi, believing that they were deliberately running down
the stocks of the ingredients and we're going to simply
switch the furnaces off. So the government were desperate to
try and get it some contracts and they have. They've
got a contract with the British rail Network, so it's

(01:32:20):
rather hand in hand with the government here for three
hundred and thirty seven thousand tons of track that will
secure thousands of jobs. Two months after the government used
emergency powers to prevent the blast furnaces from closure.

Speaker 8 (01:32:33):
But the question is what next?

Speaker 19 (01:32:35):
What other contracts are on the route?

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
Interesting? Gvin, thank you very much, appreciate it. Gavin, Great
are UK correspondent. I'll tell you something that I found
fascinating today. The can Tar guys have put out their
reputation ranking survey, which is basically like their most trusted
Brand Survey in number one, number one spot Toyota New Zealand,
number two spot Peck and Save and number three spot

(01:33:00):
in New Zealand. Now, and it's not I mean these
guys are. It's a close run thing like Toyota and
Pack and Save are both scoring one hundred and ten
and Toyota is ahead by a tenth of a point
and then in New Zealand's coming in real tight behind
them at one oh nine. So in New Zealand, if
we just had a fraction more, could potentially have been
the most trusted brand in the country. Now can you

(01:33:23):
explain that to me? How on earth is in New
Zealand scoring as one of the most like the top
three most trusted brands in the country when we complain
about it to the extent that we do. Either this
is wrong, but there's three possibilities here to my mind,
Number one, this ranking is wrong, or number two, the

(01:33:45):
complaints are coming from a very small group of people
who just complain a lot and skew our perception. Or
number three, it's like your family, you complain a lot
about the things that you love. And I don't know
which one it is, but I am baffled ten away
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
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Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
Heather Rear in New Zealand. It's just the cost of
the flights that is the issue. It's not the reliability
of the stability.

Speaker 22 (01:34:14):
No, I might.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
It's the reliability. I mean, I don't know about it.
I think they seem to have tidied it up a
wee bit. But geez, there was a period there where
they were always late and canceling all the time. Do
you remember that? Listen really quickly. Sky TV has got
a new show that they've announced today that I'm absolutely hereful.
Do you remember Pam from White Lotus, a guy who you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Said something about this fruits reminder?

Speaker 8 (01:34:40):
Were you?

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
Yes, the seeds of the fruit of poison?

Speaker 16 (01:34:44):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Yeah, so donate it have a wonderful last day. That
is morgana O'Reilly as an hour, morgana as in New
Zealander MORGANA. And she is going to be one of
the lead actors in Bust Up, which is a show
about two lady cops who used to be lovers and
then they broke up and now they have to partner

(01:35:05):
up again to fight crime in Northland and it's a
sixth part. They haven't said when it's next year, six parter.
But she's awesome, so you could guarantee it's going to
be good. And actually incident that I didn't realize how
much SkyTV is actually plowing into local content. It's actually
quite impressive. So you know, power to them now. Ants. Yes, Ever,
this time yesterday we were discussing, you know, whether you're

(01:35:29):
going to get served up the AD. I haven't been
served up the ad yet. Oh, the Mediterranean crew, the
Mediterranean Cruise.

Speaker 12 (01:35:35):
Oh okay, but I'm happy to accept your defeat graciously.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
Hang on. What I did get served last night was
an AD and the ad said this. This is a
verbatim it said. My husband asked me why I speak
so softly in the house. I said, I was afraid
that Mark Zuckerberg was listening. He laughed. I laughed, Alexa laughed,
Siri laughed, the tesla laughed. They know they know that

(01:36:02):
they heard us talking about it. Ans.

Speaker 12 (01:36:03):
Well, then why haven't they given you the Mediterranean cruise
add Well, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
Really an ad from Facebook. It was a mimic, wasn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:36:10):
Yeah, I think you're moving the goal host a little
bit there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
I am.

Speaker 12 (01:36:14):
Ufo by Sneaky sound System to play us out tonight.
Sneaky sound System will be playing at Symphony Origins. This
is a big gig that's centered around the Auckland Philarmoni.
You're playing another symphony show, this one based on the
origins of underground club culture apparently. But yeah, Sneaky sound
System coming over from Australia to player as well, along
with Bevan Keys and Dick Johnson. Here that's Spark Arena

(01:36:34):
in Auckland and on Saturday, twenty sixth of July.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
This is a good time. A Synthhonya is a good time.
Synphony is a very good time, and these guys are
a good time. This is such a bang of the song,
isn't it though? And Ants knows about this stuff because
Ants knows a little bit of the old dufftuff. So
enjoy and we will see you tomorrow and then you
know what comes after that day long weekend, So last
out of the week tomorrow news talks. He'd be.

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