Full Show Podcast: 18 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spence to find the real story
or he It's Ryan Bridge on Heather duper c Allen
Drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
That'd be four oh seven. Great to have your company
on this Tuesday afternoon. Coming up, John Bolton, this is
Trump's former national security advisor. He's with us after five
on this meeting between Trump and Posen on the phone
that will happen overnight tonight. The lawyer for the prisoner
who's on a hunger strike might have seen this in
the news. This afternoon, the players reacts to Rais's u

(00:34):
turn on playing an away game and as Judy free
a wrought farmer confidence up. A good time to be
a renter.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
All ahead, Brian Bridge.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
If you work for the government and other words, if
you work for us the taxpayer, then look out. Nikola
Willis is sharpening the knife. She's about to make some
pretty I think, pretty serious cuts in this coming budget.
I spoke to her last night on the show. Have
a listen if you want the interviews on the show
page or on the podcast. I actually don't know where

(01:07):
it is, but it will be somewhere. You'll find it.
Here is the gist. We borrowed a ton of money
during COVID. Our debt to GDP doubled. As anyone with
a mortgage will know, as you will know at home,
borrowed money must be paid back. We're now spending more
servicing debt than we do on primary and secondary schools,

(01:29):
and the Ministry of Justice combined Trump's trade war is
pushing up the cost of servicing that debt. Willis told
me this cost is going to increase in the budget.
It's chewing through cash like a beagle through a rubbish bin.
And I know I've got a beagle now. Willis's operating allowance,

(01:51):
that's the amount of new money that she has to
play with. That is wayfe thin to begin with. When
Grant Robertson was large and in charge charge, it was
very different times. But this operating allowance has been on
a strict course of ozempic. There is not a lot
you can do with it, and the bills keep piling up.

(02:12):
Defense remember Judith Collins came on this program. She wants
to double the spending to ten billion dollars over time.
Some of that will be capex, but still kitching the
survivors of abuse in state care must be compensated. It's
the right thing to do. But again kitching. Willis also
mentions health kitching, education, kitchen police kitching. So you add

(02:34):
up all the kitchings, you get sick of saying it.
You add your debt servicing, and you're starting to think
about running out of the restaurant and leaving the tab
to someone else, or maybe some sneaky new tax or
a levy. Right Well, Willis says no to that too.
Nothing made you coming, except for the charities. But that
won't light the world on fire, throwing the risk to

(02:55):
global growth and therefore our export earnings from Trump's trade war,
and then that could hit your tax take, and add
it all together, you're left with an unmistakable course of action.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Cuts cry and bridge.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Willis has been busy beavering away on a plan for
months across all of government to do just this, to
make cuts, to cut programs that were nice ideas but
don't work. She's looked at cutting entire ministries and agencies,
but says it costs more to delete them in the
short term than you'll say, So none of that this
time round. But if you're working on a project right now.

(03:32):
If you're working on a program, a piece of work
that has no tangible benefit to a decent chunk of
US taxpayers, then brace yourself. You're on the chopping bog
and Willis is coming your way. The apron's on and
it's not a filleting knife in her hand, it's a
meat cleaver, crying bridge. She's gone ten minutes after four

(03:54):
news talks. It'd be now nine nine two the number
to text chat it today that at Shortened Street there
might be some jobs speaking of chopping box up on
the chopping block. This is at South Pacific Pictures, the
production company that produces Shortened Street TV and Z cut
the show from five down to three nights a week.
If you watch it, you might have noticed that cost

(04:15):
them about twenty million a year to make.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
One of the actors, key we actor Will Hall, played
doctor Kip Denton on Shorten Street for three years and
he's with me, gid Ay will Well good, a Ryan,
how are you good? Thank you good to have you
on the show. What are you hearing about these job cuts?

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Well, look I just heard you a monologue there about
the meat lever in the and as well it rings through,
doesn't it? In the in the kitchinging of the entertainment
industry and like everything else, I guess. I guess it's
found its way onto the chopping block and something I
never thought i'd see in my lifetime. I don't remember
a time before Shortland Street, so I pray it survives.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
People talk about the ratings, so apparently at a peak
they were three hundred and fifty thousand. They're now third
of that. I mean, that's still as far as Kiwi
TV show shows goes, it's not bad, yeah, but I've
always wondered about those ratings.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
I mean, does anyone ever knowing anyone that's had one
of those rating box on their TV? I know, for hand,
on Hard I've never met anyone, and I'm sure when
I was on the show, which was a long time ago,
we were talking about numbers of five hundred to six
hundred thousand. So the goalpost seem to always be moving
with what what an acceptable number is, and even on

(05:32):
post Shorton Street, another SVP job I did on nothing trivial,
we were getting three hundred and something a week and
that was deemed unsuccessful, and you know, a year later,
two hundred was acceptable So I don't know about all
these numbers and whether they're even that relevant.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
You sort of know they don't you. You know, if
you're on a good show, because when you go down
the street or you go through an airport, people come
up to you and tell you about it, right, you
kind of get the vote.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Well, yeah, look, absolutely, and like I was lucky. Sure,
it was very popular. We were in the grip. The
nation was in a grip with a serial killer go
ground killing everyone. But that was just another way that
the actors are on the chopping block because you need
a new week to week if you were going to survive.
If it wasn't on the casting color, could be any

(06:16):
one of the doctors or nurses or going. So look,
I mean I think the arts is always fraught with
you know, trepidation and there's no security. But look, I
hope that we see the light and keep shortened straight
for what it is because it is a great foundation.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
You know.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
I'd like to think there's still a place for the soaps,
even in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, I was going to ask, is it the end
of the world if it disappears? I mean, something organically
crops up, doesn't I mean, there are people doing things
on TikTok and Facebook all sorts of different stuff these days.
Do we necessarily need a shortened straight anymore?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Look?

Speaker 5 (06:57):
I don't, I don't know, but you know, if you're
doing your TikTok and you what have you us and
I at risk of sounding like a dinosaur? Is that
going to put you in great stead to work on
bigger projects when they come to our shores, like you
know Brad Pitt cruising around in Queenstown or Jason Momoa
every second week he seems to be making a new

(07:18):
movie here. So we need those industry professionals who get
their start on a shortened street to be coming through
the ranks and being able to step up to those
big jobs when they when they arrive here. And maybe
maybe we do need to look at a different way
of presenting our quality work and look at those streamer
models and be pitching up and doing things for Netflix

(07:42):
and streamer services because you know, Free to Wear TV
is struggling. But I'd like to think they're still a
place for shortened street. I mean, the numbers for their
online viewing still look good. I think it's just got
to remain simple though, don't try to over complicate it.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
There should be a place for soaps.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
I mean, I don't know, but I probably sound a
bit old, and I just don't want to be watching
TikTok I know that much.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
What do you mean done? Over complicated it? What are
what are they doing? That's quite that's complicating it?

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Well, just in terms of I don't know whose idea
it was to cut it back to three nights a week,
but that instantly changes kind of the format for a
soap opera. A soap opera when I was doing but
it's always designed to you're kind of repeating the same
scenes three or four times a week. You'd be doing them,
but that's because you don't expect every viewer to be
watching it every night. And it's it's a bit of escapism,

(08:31):
and it's it's just simple. It's it's about families, it's
about relationships. It's well, someone told me that the idea
of the show was it was a show about women
for women and the men that flitter in and out
of their lives, and kept it as simple as that,
and it's all, yeah, it was it was easy to
kind of formulate and make it well, you know, I'm
probably not the target audience for short story anymore, but

(08:53):
I don't, you know, I think that there should still
be there should still be a place for it. Okay,
I would hope were interesting. And there was a time
where it made all the money. I think, I believe it.
But it was making a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, it did, and now it's costing twenty million a
year to make. But how much revenue, we're not actually sure. Well,
thank you very much for coming on the show. Sounds
like you'll sort of quite happily post Shortened Street. Will Hall,
who's actor formerly on Shorten Street, is doctor kept Denton
for I think two or three years during the serial
killer days. Does anyone still watch it? I haven't watched

(09:27):
Shortened Street, and I couldn't tell you how long Coronation
Street used to like that, only because Mum did. Just Yeah,
anything that anything that's sort of a daily television show.
I say, this is about to start one, don't watch it?
What's the point? Sixteen after four.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's the Heather to Bussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (09:56):
ZBB News Talksb's just gone nineteen minutes after to forge,
there is some funny text coming in about Shortened Street.
There's a really long one that I wanted to read
the whole Ah, here we go. Shortened Street should be
called Shagg Street because of all the storylines. If you're
just joining us, by the way, there's some people going
to be fired from Shorten Street in the next couple
of days. We're being told Shorten Street should be called

(10:17):
Shagg Street because of all the storylines revolving around people
sleeping with each other. And that's about it. The writers
don't seem to be able to think of anything else
except for the murder twist at the end of each season.
Apart from that, someone turns up, they get given that
special look, and then of course it's law that they
have to have shag and usually behind their partner's back,

(10:39):
which is just wonderful, isn't it. They introduce a new
table or a chair because they might get the look
and the shak too. The thing I like about this text,
thanks John, is that you obviously watch the show. You're
still watching the show waiting for a new chair or

(11:02):
a new prop to be inserted, something for them to
check up. Ryan Bridge four, Darcy Water Graves. Here was
sport Hey, Darcy.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
People still watching though, that's the question.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well, not as many as they used to be. But
they're only on three nights a week now, down from five,
right Does that mean they.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Need to concentrate the sex into those three nights?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
It obviously does. Maybe that's why John's coppying so much
of it?

Speaker 7 (11:26):
Is this a reflection of most workplaces? Looking around?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
So now there is nothing cryon Bridge, There's.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Nothing I'd even look at for a minute out there anyway.
Raiser has changed his mind. What is behind this? So
he gets in there and to Inzida and he's done
a U turn on the stance, a stance he had
in November and then repeated in January on players playing abroad.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
How about this?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Now about this for an idea.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
You can't publicly disagree with what we want to do
with the Inzid. Are we pay your wages?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Oh no, you don't.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Yeah, look you might be right, Yeah cool, we got that.
We've got a World Cup coming up in a couple
of years. We don't need this. So what you guys
need to do is need to front of the media
and say let's say okay, all hugs and kisses, it's fine.
He's not going to challenge it anymore. And then behind
the scenes it can be as bigger, agitated as he want.
But they need to come together as a unit and
show a united front on their opinions. And you wonder,

(12:24):
in any business you get that you might not agree
with your bar from what he says, but for the
business and the front of the business, you have to stand.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
And say argument that he says on and there is nuance.
And you know, let's look at the example of who's
gone off to Ireland, Jordy Barrett. Jordi Barrett's gone off
to Island, So there is nuance. You're not buying that,
you think it's just combined.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
Things change all the time, and the shifting sounds of
international rugby say that you must always be on your
toes and ready to move with the times. Now, what
happens with the ends that are they don't want to
open the pan Dora's box fully because they don't know
what might pop out.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Okay, but they've kind of had a wee peek. But
are we looking what's going on? And he's been brought
into line the black Cats. Now the women were meant
to play in Dunedin, well.

Speaker 7 (13:11):
They were, but then the rain turned up, because that's
what happens when you schedule a game of cricket at
the start of autumn in Dunedin. Surprise, surprise.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
But then so then the rain stops and the men start.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
It's been reduced to fifteen overs a side for this
tea TWHENI is the second of five. That's after Pakistan
got flogged in christ Church on Sunday, just murderalized, and
they've won the toss. They've decided to roll in and
have a field and currently Pakistan it drinks are sixty
two for the loss of four each. Sodi has picked

(13:42):
up a couple of quick wickets, so it looks like
Pakistan are rocking, but of course that's a it's a
mean old trick. You get subcontinental players coming in and
the first thing you do is to send them to
the Deep South to play cricket.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
But freezing it's a bit straight. So the women are
supposed to play, they get rained off. So then instead
of letting them play when the rain stops, the y.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
It's a double heater. It's all scheduled, so you've got
X amount of time and then you've got to go.
So we couldn't do it. So that's your tied series
or drawn series and the men. So hopefully, yeah, hopefully
something happens positive. All right, I'm looking to get a
player on up in the show between seven and eight
and agreetor Paul a steamed rugby rider for News Center

(14:25):
will join Love to Stevens talk about the.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Look forward to hearing that the n Darcy water Grove
Sports Talk seven o'clock to night news Talks. There'll be
twenty three minutes after four. I've got a statement here
from Corrections on this guy who's apparently on a hunger
strike because he was beaten up by the guards.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's next checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither Duper c Allen Drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
They'd be twenty six after four. We brought you the
story on Friday from Sikh that rents the price of
renting in Auckland and Wellington and actually in christ Itch,
although by a smaller margin, was coming down. So if
you're renting one of these places then apparently life is
getting easier for you. Today we're hearing that some people
are getting grocery vouchers are being offered grocery vouchers and

(15:09):
even a week's free rent to lure them in. That's
how desperate the landlords are becoming. So brad Olsen on
that after sixth thirst, sorry, just after six this evening.
It's just gone twenty seven after four now, Ryan Bread,
this corrections story today. So there's a prisoner on a
hunger strike. He alleges he was beaten by a prison guard.

(15:29):
He's got photos, bruises on his face, cuts to his head.
Doesn't look great now. The first line of the story,
this is from arin Z. The first line of the
story is the lawyers of a seventy seven year old
comatuer say he's on a hunger strike after being beaten.
Blah blah blah. Well, the seventy seven year old comatuer
is murderer Dean Wickliffe. He entered a store with a

(15:54):
semi automatic weapon in nineteen seventy two and killed the man.
It was later declared manslaughter. But he's been in and
out of jail ever since. Now. Whatever happened to him
in this prison is basically up for debate. It's anyone's
guess at the stage because the statement we've got from Corrections,
which I'm going to read to you after the news.
The statement we've got from the Corrections is both the

(16:15):
longest statement I've ever seen in my entire life and
also the dumbest. It's got nothing in it. It says
everything and nothing. So we'll break that down after news.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
After making the news, the newsmakers.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Talk to Ryan first. It's Ryan Bridge on. Here's a
duplic elan drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.
News Talk said.

Speaker 8 (16:48):
B to have value. They're awad.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
News Talk said, be after five, We're going to talk
to Ambassador John Bolton. This is Donald Trump's former national
security advisor. A big meeting happening over the phone. Trump
and poutin overnight tonight our time. We're going to check
out on Gaza in just a second as well. Plus
Murray Old's out of Australia. But here is a statement
on this situation with the prisoner who's on an eight

(17:19):
day hunger strike. First point to make he's still taking fluids,
so it's a hunger strike no solids, basically is what
Corrections have said. He's getting all the support in the world.
In fact, anyone who goes on a hunger strike in
this country, immediate in prison immediately gets moved to a
special wing, the Intervention and Support Unit. They are provided

(17:42):
with care from nurses, from a doctor. They get people
coming in touch and making phone calls with them. Faro
can come in. There's a support from the prison chaplain.
They will also facilitate contact with other support people as requested,
arranging visits where it's safe and practicable to practical to
do so. So you get quite a lot out of

(18:02):
a hunger strike. I mean, you could do one for
twenty four hours, get all those benefits and then back
to yourself, you know, and it's only your day's hunger. Anyway.
Apparently he's okay, he's not dying. That at issue is
whether he was beaten up by one of the guards.
Now the story is, and this is according to his
lawyer and ex sites she's on the show after five o'clock.

(18:24):
Story is, he gets picked up for breaching his parole conditions,
thrown in the slammer, and then one of the guards,
one of the screws, beats him up because he's told
to double bunk. Doesn't want a double bunk, so he
gets the bash. That's what the lawyer says, she's here.
After five. Now Corrections have put out the world's longest statement,

(18:44):
and in it this is by please attribute to Kim Gresson,
Acting Commissioner Custodial Services at the Department of Corrections. So
the I mean, honestly, I'm just annoyed. First of all,
the job titles far too long, but then the statement
itself is more and a page long. The gist of it,
one staff member involved in the incident is not currently

(19:06):
at work. Okay, there's one line that sticks out, another
line that sticks out. Any large organization may encounter a
few staff who cannot maintain high standards. Okay, so you're
starting to build a picture here. But in between all
of that is all this other gobbledygook that makes you think,
actually the guy deserved to be punched or he wasn't

(19:26):
punched at all. So we're no clearer to finding out
exactly what's going on in prison. Don't they have CCTV anyway?
The lawyer will give her side of events. After five,
it's twenty two to two.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's the world wires on news dogs'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Misplaced the World wires because of a stupid statement from
Corrections right, We're going to the Middle East first, and
to Gaza. It appears to ceasefires. Officially, over one hundred
and thirty Palestinians reportedly killed in a series of Israeli
strikes on the Gaza Strip the Middle East analysts. This
Middle East analyst says, Israel clearly isn't interested in a

(20:02):
permanent piece.

Speaker 9 (20:03):
Deal negotiations on the second phase leading to a durable
ceasefire and a full withdrawal of Israeli troops. That is
something that the Israeli government has repeatedly said it would
not do. In other words, it's signed an agreement knowing
that it would refuse to implement it.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Trump and Potin are picking up the phone. They're talking
about Ukraine. Trump says he's going to convince Potin to
accept his thirty day seas fire proposal. The EU Foreign
Policy chief doesn't think Potin will accept the deal without
major concessions.

Speaker 10 (20:36):
Those conditions that they have presented the shows that they
don't really want peace actually, because they are presenting as
conditions all their ultimate goals that they want to achieve
from the war.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
John Boldnoll met after five So finally this afternoon, the
two stranded NASA astronauts are set to return home tomorrow morning,
our time. The pair of schedules. I mean, how many
times have we told people this sends These two are
coming home, and these two are coming home for eight months.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
That's time.

Speaker 11 (21:07):
They're actually meant to get on the bus to come
back though.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
You know what, I'm not even Let's wait and see
if they arrive back on earth, we will tell you.
How's that?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Twenty to five International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,
Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Murray Olds is our Australia correspondent, Murray good afternoon, Yeah,
get out there, thanks good, thank you. Now Duston wants
a referendum on deportation. Is he? Is he? Is this
a sort of a headline or is he serious? Mate?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
It's another little lamb chop thrown out to his base
who wanted him to be strong and tough in this
phony campaign. We haven't even called the election yet and
the pair of them, Albourne, Easy and Dutton are racing
all over the country like Headler's chokes, throwing money to
the winds and promising all sorts of OUTLANDI stuff like
this ridiculous call for a referendum. I mean Albanesi summed

(22:00):
up Dutton's pledge this morning he said it's a thought bubble.
I mean that was on national television early on this morning, saying, oh, yes, yes,
if I'm Prime Minister, I'm going to hold a referendum
to give the government new power to the port dual
citizen criminals. Well only a couple of hours later the
Shadow Attorney General mccabey cash admitted it was only at

(22:22):
last resort option and in the meantime, I mean it's
just absolute nonsense. It's the same nonsense that Albanese is
spouting as well. I mean, it's not confined to one
side of politics. But I did like a line about
another thought bubble hasn't been thought through, not clear where
it's come from. Peter Dutton wants to talk about anything
other than the cost of living. So look, it's going
to be a constant living election. I just can't wait

(22:43):
until the damn thing's cool, because then we can start
getting on with the real business.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah yeah, here here I think. I mean, honestly, even
on this side of the testament, there's probably some anticipation
for at least a date. We haven't even got that
in Murray. Now, what's up with these anonymous letters in
Melbourne to do with Hong Kong.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
This is a very worrying thing and it picks up
on things that have happened before here. You've had demonstrators
gathering down in camera outside the Embassy of the People's
Republic of China, protesting about human rights, for example, about
wigas and so on. When you've had people, You've had
goons walking through allegedly out of the embassy, walking around

(23:25):
photographic people putting your frighteners on others. And this has
been a recurring theme here that the Chinese government is
here putting a squeeze on either students who are here
to study or Australian citizens who are here to live.
And this is what's happened. Apparently a number of Melbourne
residents have received anonymous letters offering a big bounty that's

(23:47):
called a police bounty if they tell tales on an
Australian citizen. And this guy, Kevin Yam, is a pro
democracy activist. He's wandered in Hong Kong for these you know,
allegend actional security crimes. Well, Penny Wong, who's the Australian
Foreign ministers. You're cracking jokes. This is completely unacceptable, very

(24:08):
deeply worrying. And she says Australias are going to tolerate surveillance,
harassment or intimidation against individuals or family members in Australia.
The government raising its concerns apparently directly with Beijing and
authorities in Hong Kong.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Interesting, Murray, thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Murray.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Old's are Australia correspondent. Time is seventeen minutes away from
five News Talks. Heab lots of text on the hunger striker.
We'll get to those in a second. Also, Barry Soaper
has been watching the Prime minister over in India and
also the Foreign Minister over in Washington, DC.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
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Speaker 3 (24:44):
New talks hereb fourteen minutes away from five Ryan, he
can rot in prison. I'm not concerned about him. This
is the guy who's apparently been beaten by the guards
in prison. Will talk about that after five o'clock right now,
Barry Soap, not you, Barry the look on your face.
You can rot in prison, absolutely well.

Speaker 12 (25:00):
Sean Whitcliffe, that's a name, so well known to Wellingtonians.
It was just such a shocking crime at the time,
nineteen seventy two. I think it was he shot a jeweler.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Terrible he was working. Yeah, people have been textanding he
was working in his dad's jewelry shop.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And was just awful.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, awful stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
All right.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
The ACT Party is going to stand in local body elections.
Does this? Is this a big deal?

Speaker 12 (25:24):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it, because you know, some may
read it as being a big deal for ACT. They're
putting their name on candidates ballot sheet going into the
local body elections. We know how popular local body elections
are and I guess what they're trying to do is
to increase the popularity because ACT sees itself as a
fairly formidable part of the political process. But I don't

(25:48):
know about mainstream political parties putting themselves on local on
local ballots. Labour's done it for a long time, the
Greens do it. You only have to look at the
council in Wellington to see how dominant they are there.
Whether it's a good or the idea or not, well,
I guess only we'll be able to tell when it

(26:11):
comes to the election. Itself, and in fact, before the election,
if anybody comes forward to put their name up under
the ACT ticket, but the acting Prime Minister for what
That's what certainly David Seymour is at the moment because
the big boys are out of town. He's joked that

(26:33):
they could even embrace the likes of Jesus if he
came back and was willing to stand.

Speaker 13 (26:40):
I believe that Jesus very well might support acts from
what I know about him. He believed that Jesus believed
that each person had inherent dignity, was made in the
image of God and Margo Day, and deserve to be
treated with universal human rights. In many respects, that underlying

(27:00):
teachers of Jesus and the Party overlap. But I just
want to be clear. The Party is not promising to
listen to Guy Fox, Jesus or any historical figure to
stand for mayor council or any other position.

Speaker 12 (27:15):
I think that's horn in the background was an ambulance
coming to take him away.

Speaker 14 (27:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Really, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
Whether it's wise for him to go down that track.
The Beatles did it at one stage. I think it
was John Lennon, so they.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Were bigger than Jesus, I've got to be very careful,
to have to be careful and and some and I've
got a lot of respect for David Seymour. Yeah, he's
a very smart guy, and he's a very smart politician.
But then sometimes you just you kind of cringe a
little bit.

Speaker 12 (27:41):
The French loved the cock Did he love that line?
He thought he was so right anyway.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Right moving somebody who can do no wrong, it seems
over in Washington, d C.

Speaker 12 (27:53):
Yes, you know, I did have a bit of a
look at Luxon and India. You know, it's sort of
a poor ground conclusion now that done got the old
negotiations underway. But Winston Peters he's building up to the
big one. He's earlier today, well overnight really. He met
with the Director of the Office of Foreign Assistants, Peter Morocco.

(28:16):
This is the guy, hardcore, mega guy, very much part
of the drive to pull the USAID apart, which wou
would have been an interesting meeting. He said that the
USAID review would be completed in April, and wed no
by then the sort of contribution the Americans would be
making to the Pacific. He was in the White House

(28:38):
today as well. He met with the National Security Advisor
Michael Waltz, and that was the Indo Pacific was a discussion.
I think there would have been the main one. And
then again he was back at Rosemary Banks's place, our
ambassador to Washington for dinner just a few hours ago.
Now they were hosting, which to me was quite interesting.

(29:01):
Two very hardline Trump administration figures, and I think this
is quite shrewd in a way. The one of them
was Sebastian Gorko, who's a British born of Hungarian heritage.
He's the Deputy Assistant to the President, so pretty high
up in the senior director of counter Terrorism. And the person,

(29:23):
the woman that was there, she goes with the name
of Morgan or Tigers. She says that as the deputy
Special Envoy for the Middle East under Steve Whitcliffe. Now
the are two fairly important figures in the administration, and
I think Winston's playing the big game here to ingratiate

(29:44):
himself with the administration before that meeting which will be
early tomorrow morning our time with the Secretary of State
Marco Rubio.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, he's playing hotline bling, he is. She used one
of Drake's infamous get on the hotline and get the bling.
That's basically what diplomacy is about with Trump's people, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (30:05):
Absolutely And Winston knows how to play that game better
than most, unless you're a journalist and get on the
wrong side, and then you've got a problem.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, Thank you so much for
your time this afternoon. There's always great insight eight minutes
away from five News Talk there be John Bolton, Trump's
former national security advisor, on the show after five.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Digging into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
You would be an expert in this area from a
previous life. Explain to me give them the.

Speaker 15 (30:34):
Immigration flow, particularly from India to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Why is it that in New Zealand doesn't go direct?

Speaker 15 (30:39):
Why can't I go from Auckland to Delhi, Orkland, of
Mumba orklanda anywhere in India.

Speaker 16 (30:43):
Yeah, well, I'm pushing all the alignes really hard because
I actually think you're right. I think we are at
a point where, actually I think it's a really good
case to say there must be demand starting to build
from at least New Delhi or Mumbai into Auckland.

Speaker 17 (30:55):
Directly back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking breakfast
with the rain driver of the last news talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Five to five news talks. THEB dollars up, which is
good news. So I looked. It was about an hour
ago fifty eight to twenty one US since, which is good.
Three month high. Hasn't been that high since December of
last year. China has helped their retail sales data has
come out stronger than expected, and of course we sell
a whole bunch of stuff to China, so that is good.
They're also doing a bit of stimulus over in China

(31:24):
as well, which is giving people some confidence. So tick
tack good for us. At the same time, you've got
a data out of the US it's a bit weaker.
This is retail sales data a bit weaker out of
the US. So people like our dollar a little bit
more today people like the US dollar a little bit less.
Therefore ours is worth a little bit more, but still
not back up over sixty US cents. Largely tracked sideways

(31:45):
all year this year. The big data point this week
is Thursday GDP. We will get fourth quarter GDP and
we are expecting some recovery, though that's not a given.
Four away from five, Ryan Bridge a couple of really
interesting stories I want to bring to your attention this afternoon.
One of them is the fluoridation and fang at a
and they're to buy to ruin the story. There is

(32:06):
no decision from the court today on that one, but
we'll run you through that one a little bit later on.
But this Robertson situation raisor Robertson. He comes out and
he says the players should be able to you know,
Globe TROC and play overseas and then come back and
play for the All Blacks. He says that in November.

(32:27):
He says it again in January. This is after he's
got the n zid Art contract. Right, says it again
in January, and now he's reversed his thoughts on the matter.
I mean, why it's not a major. It's not a major,
but it's worth asking the question why and what do
the players think about it? They're on the show after
five point thirty. John Bolton out of the States.

Speaker 18 (32:48):
Next get a fine game.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
We did break If you know me? Person?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
We have.

Speaker 8 (33:10):
Person? Where do you have you know me? Post?

Speaker 7 (33:18):
Some mas.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Questions answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust for
the full picture.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
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Speaker 1 (33:32):
With One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks at
be Good.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Evening FYI, Winston Peters and Marco Rubio that face to
face happening eight o'clock tomorrow morning our time tonight, Trump
and Poutin are having a call this Ukraine ceasefire thirty
day seas fire broken by the US. On the agenda.
Kiev has said yes. Russia hasn't responded yet. Ambassador John Bolton,
was Donald Trump's national security advisor during his first term,

(34:00):
got him on the line and best of the Hello.

Speaker 14 (34:03):
Hi, how are you?

Speaker 10 (34:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Good? Thank you? So do you think these talks are
going to be fruitful?

Speaker 14 (34:08):
Well? I think that Putin has carefully manipulated the timing
here so that Russian forces are on the verge of
eliminating all presents of Ukraine troops and Kursk province inside Russia.
I think he's dragged out the negotiations so that he

(34:28):
now has a pretty clear idea what Trump may want,
and he's counting on direct negotiations between himself and Trump
to use his KGB manipulative skills on Trump to get
even more concessions out of him than Trump's already given Russia.
I mean, Trump has effectively flipped the US position from

(34:48):
being supportive of Ukraine to being supportive of Russia, and
Putin wants to see if he could get more.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Why has he done that? Some people say, oh, he's
just pro Russian. What's the reason for it?

Speaker 14 (34:59):
Well, I think I think Putin's always had an affinity
for the authoritarian figures. I can't explain it. Maybe we
can let the shrinks tell us what the reason for
it is. But you know, I don't buy the argument
that somehow he's become a Russian agent. I think, you know,
Vladimir Lenin once said that a lot of useful work
was done for the communists in the West by what

(35:20):
he called useful idiots, people who didn't even realize they
were helping the communists out. And I think there's something
of that going on with with Trump and the Russians
and the Chinese and others. But I think Putin's skills
as a former KGB agent, unfortunately will suit him very

(35:40):
well in this conversation.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
How much of this is because from America's perspective, you
can't be well with everyone all at once. You can't
be taking on China. You've got to separate China away
from Russia somehow. You've got to divide and conquer well.

Speaker 14 (35:57):
I think splitting Russia away from China's fine idea, but
in the current circumstances, it's just not going to work out.
They're not going to agree to a ceasefire getting them
part of what they want from Ukraine. And basically they
want all of Ukraine to put the old Russian Empire
back together and anyway in exchange for a piece of

(36:18):
Ukraine to split from China. Indeed, China has strengthened its
hold on Russia in this new China Russia axis that's
been forming because of the war in Ukraine, because they
have helped Russia escape global financial sanctions by laundering sanctioned
Russian assets through the opaque Chinese financial system. They've significantly

(36:40):
increased their purchases of Russian oil and gas and committed
to expand pipeline capacity overland in the future. China has
real interest in becoming an Arctic power, if you can
believe that. Using the Northwest Passage that now has opened
because of global warming. I met with the Russian several

(37:02):
times as National Security advisor and asked them what they
thought of back then when they were growing closer to China.
They said, no problem, We've got this under control. We're
not worried. You know, they were wrong then and they're
wrong now.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
John, Where does all of us leave NATO? I mean,
obviously Ukraine's not a NATO member. It would like to be.
That'll be part of these peace talks that are going
to happen. But does anyone think, you know, has NATO
been completely undermined by Donald Trump? I mean, would he
really send troops into Estonia if they were in trouble?
Does anyone really believe that anymore?

Speaker 14 (37:36):
You know, I'm seriously worried about the consequences for NATO
of a bad settlement for Ukraine because Trump is not
a fan of NATO. That's to put it mildly. In
twenty eighteen, during the NATO summit in Brussels, he came
within an inch of withdrawing. Then I was right there
sitting behind him when he almost did it. He doesn't

(37:57):
understand how NATO works, or in fact, he doesn't understand
and how defense alliances themselves work, and you know, his
idea that will only defend NATO countries that are spending
two percent or more of their GDP on defense makes
the alliance look.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Like a.

Speaker 14 (38:16):
Checkerboard with some in, some out, and just undermines the
whole idea of collective defense. I hope that the damage
to NATO doesn't turn out to be fatal and that
Trump doesn't withdraw the United States. It would be a
catastrophic mistake. But he doesn't understand how it works. He
thinks we defend Europe, we get nothing out of it,

(38:39):
and Europe doesn't pay. That's not NATO at all. We
do benefit from NATO. We shouldn't be ashamed to say it.
We're stronger and the West is stronger as a whole
because of NATO. Donald Trump just doesn't get it.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
And weird does that leave us? You know, weird? Does
that leave the rest of the world? John, The world
orders been tipped on its head. Trump's going on after
his allies, He's defending his enemies. When you're a little
country like New Zealand that loves the rules by system
and we've got our farm. Min's drop in Washington, DC
at the moment, what will we make of us?

Speaker 14 (39:11):
Well, what I would say is, even though there are
forty six months left in Trump's presidency, which may seem
like a long time, grit your teeth and don't write
the United States off. Yet some in Europe are thinking
of doing it. I think collectively it's better to stand together.
We'll get through this. This is Trump's Trump didn't campaign

(39:32):
on destroying NATO or getting into a trade war with
our closest friends around the world. This is not where
the American people are and it may take a real
setback somewhere before even Trump is pulled up short. But
we've got to be patient, think of the long term,
and hopefully muddle through without too much damage being done

(39:55):
until we get a president who understands how the system
should work and would be committed to make it work.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
All right, John, thanks for your time in your analysis.
That's Ambassador John Bolton, former national security advisor to Donald Trumpe.
Thirteen minutes half to five. Now, as we are talking
a ceasefire, they hope to come to a ceasefire agreement
or at least appause and hostilities in Ukraine. But as
we're talking, the ceasefire seems to be falling apart in
the Middle East, so Israel has gone on the attack.

(40:25):
They are lobbing missiles into Gaza again because Hamas didn't
release some of the hostages they said they were going
to release. So it just goes to show that even
if you do get a sex fire, it doesn't mean
the thing will hold right, which is the point many
have been making. Closer to home. This was a really
interesting one today from Japan. They're sending some long range
missiles capable of heading targets in North Korea and China's coast.

(40:48):
They're sending them to some of their southern islands. Now,
Japan has this long standing rule where they don't send
any long range missiles to Okinawa and to the Okinawa
island chain because it's too close to Taiwan. You would
piss China off too much, so you don't want to
provoke them, so you don't send them. So they're not
quite sending them to the Okinawa island chain because that

(41:11):
would just be too much for China. But they're basically
doing the next best thing an island called Kyushu. They
are sending their long range missiles they're capable of hitting
North Korea and China. And the reason for this is
quite simple. They're not entirely sure that Donald Trump in
America will be there to support them to something kick
off in this region. So I mean, you can't blame

(41:34):
them for that, can you? Quarter past five US talks
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Speaker 2 (42:43):
Brian brad it's just gone.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Eighteen minutes after five now this correction story. They've launched
an investigation into one of their own prison guards. There
is an altercation with a seventy seven year old prisoner
at spring Hill Prison. This prisoner happens to be the
notorious convict murder at Dean Whickliffe. He was recently recalled
to prison when his lawyer says he was beaten up

(43:05):
for refusing to be double bunked. And its Sukes is
Dean Wickliff's lawyer and she's with me now and it
good evening.

Speaker 19 (43:12):
Good evening.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
So what exactly did he throw? The correction says that
he threw something at the prison guard or in the room.
What happened there?

Speaker 19 (43:23):
We have a contested vision of events, so those metters
will no doubt be part of the investigation. Our instructions
are that And I want to just take a step back.
I wasn't notified by Springhill that he was in custody.
I was actually notified by a very lovely police officer
from the Total Press station that arrested Dean for a

(43:46):
breach of his parole residence requirements, and she had contacted
me letting me know that they had located him at
the place of residence, but he was sleeping in his car,
which was a strict breach. One of the problems is
of homelessness in our area as there is insufficient houses.
But if you've been parolled to an address, that's where

(44:06):
you need to be. He was found in his car
by himself with two cats that he had been caring
for that with stray cats. She was concerned to let
me know one that he had been in prison too,
that we needed someone to pick up the car, three
that she wanted me arranged rescued for these cats because
that was its instructesce to me, and four to contact

(44:27):
him at Springhill the following day. I did that, and
I was advised by the people that we were speaking
to at spring Hill that he didn't want to speak
with me. It wasn't until Friday last week that I
found out that these other events that you've discussed in
introduction had transpired, and that, in fact, he had been
in hospital on Tuesday evening as a result of the

(44:50):
assault that he had suffered as he entered his prison
cell earlier that week.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
So the corrections of saying he didn't want to take
your call because he was refusing to leave his cell,
I mean, you can't exactly force them to take the phone,
can you.

Speaker 20 (45:05):
No?

Speaker 19 (45:05):
But I had he told me quite clear that that
wasn't the position right So March no, he said on
a tenth of March, because he felt that he wasn't
given equal jugments and their treatment that he had asked
specifically for where to be contactant. He also decided at

(45:26):
that point that he you know, this is an individual
that understands very well the regulatory requirement for prisoners while
they are in custody. He also felt that he was
being denied fundamental rights that you normally get to all prisoners,
and he wanted to have those metters dealt with.

Speaker 11 (45:43):
Then he was.

Speaker 19 (45:44):
Accosted, He was assaulted Man Stratton's are, his head was
smashed into the concrete. Photos have been released that show
quite clearly that his version of events has some veracity,
and we're also now advised today some several days after that,
even the internal investigation crisis of the Department of Corrections

(46:04):
himself have actually stood down the prison officer. Something was wrong.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
There and it's thank you very much for your time.
Twenty two after five Bridge and it's like she's the
lawyer acting for Dean Wickliffe. He's the one who alleges
and this is basically he said, she said, situation. We
actually don't know what happened. I'm sure there's surely there's
some CZTV that can clarify this whole thing. But the
statement from Correction because yes, he is a convicted murderer

(46:29):
and know you shouldn't feel sorry for him, But at
the same time, you don't want some loose screw beating
prisoners up, do you, because it's just not a good look.
And you've got to assume that some people in prison help,
no matter how small the percentage might be innocent. We
don't want them being beaten up just because they happen
to be in the system anyway. That aside, big statement
from Corrections, they have said one staff member involved is

(46:52):
not currently at work. We don't know what that means.
Does that mean that's being investigated. Does that mean they've
been fired. We don't know. There was a all prisoner
refused to leave the cell. Prisoner didn't want to be
double bunked. Force was used and they're investigating the incident.
And by the way, if you want to know what
the Section eighty three of the Corrections Act says, it

(47:15):
says you can use force on reasonable grounds if you
believe it's necessary. Examples include self defense, in the case
of an escape, to prevent property damage, or in response
to resistance to a lawful order. Twenty three after five,
news talks had been.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Moving the big stories of the d Orwen It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duperic Allen Drive.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
With one New Zealand Let's get connected. News talks had.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Been five twenty six. Did you know thirty seven people
on average thirty seven people die a year of old age.
Now when you die, this is an interesting fact. We're
actually the fourth in the world for median wealth. When
you die, your average keiwi seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
That's what they're worth, that's their assets. Now between today's

(48:04):
date and twenty fifty there's a report out today Today's
day in twenty fifty one point six trillion dollars in
inheritance is up for grabs, and I can see a
couple of people licking their lips about this. One is
the kids, obviously first and foremost. Second is the labor
party and their taxes. Obviously. Another are charities. Now there

(48:27):
the ones who've come out today calling for they want
more bequeaths, more money to be bequeathed towards them. Apparently
only one percent goes to charity at the moment, and
they're saying, you know, if you're up that even a
couple of percent, imagine the good that could be done.
Here's the thing about inheritance. It belongs to nobody but you.

(48:48):
It's your money. It's your asset, You earned it. Do
what you like with it. You want to take a
trip around the world before you pop off, be my guest.
You want to go to a strip club by Harley Davidson,
get a new hip. Whatever, it's your money, it's your asset.
You spend it however you want. You don't owe anybody anything.

(49:11):
We'll look after ourselves. Enjoy what is left of your life.
I don't understand those people who sit there with a
handout hoping and waiting and expecting, and the pressure it
puts on to other people. So I mean, yes, the
charities obviously just need to get some funding and they're
coming out and asking that today. But for everybody else,

(49:32):
just mind your own business and Ryan Bridge, let our
retirees get on with it. Twenty eight minutes after five newsbook,
they'd be we'll look at this razor decision. You tune
on players playing overseas.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Ryan Bridge on Heather do for ce Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
So good anything when he four away from six year
on news Talk ZB. Lots of feedback coming in on
the so called baby boomers and their intergenerational wealth transfer.
We'll get some of that shortly. One person says, thank
you Ryan for your comments on inheritance and all of
the people waiting with their hands out for their parents
to die. And you're right, it was bloody hard earned.

(50:25):
Leave us alone, please, including the charities. The charities who
came out today to say that they wanted their cut too.
There's a Bulgarian club. This is a football club. Weirdest
story of the day. Bulgarian football club holds a minute's
silence in front of the packed stadium, holds a minute
silence for an ex player who turns out still alive.

(50:48):
They were having a minute silence to commemorate the fact
that he had passed away, and then before the end
of the game they had to put a note out
on their Facebook page to say, actually, I'm sorry, we
got this wrong. He's not dead. They haven't explained that yet,
like why they thought he was dead or what steps
they took to confirm his death. They just had a

(51:09):
minute silence and then they yeah, he's alive. It's a celebration.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Three away from Sexan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Starting with rugby, though less morbid. We're going to speak
to the Rugby Players Union. This is the New Zealand
Rugby Players Association. Rob Nichols the CEO. There because Raiser
Scott Robertson, the coach of the All Blacks, he's done
a bit of a u turn. This on the decision
by n z R. Currently, players cannot be selected to

(51:40):
play for the All Blacks if they are playing off shore.
Now Robertson didn't agree with that. Now he does agree
with that. What's up with that? Rob Nichols?

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Here?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Hi, Rob, what are you reason this is about?

Speaker 19 (51:55):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (51:55):
Look, I think it's there's been a lot of conjuncture
and discussion.

Speaker 21 (51:59):
Around where rais are said on this and when New
Zealand Rugby were at.

Speaker 20 (52:03):
To be honest, I being part of the conversations all
the way along, and they've kind of been on the
same page and they're just coming out I think to
reaffirm the fact that they are and that where you
all are. The starting point, as you said, is that
you have to be playing in New Zealand if you
want to be eligible for teams in black. But we
have effectively a regulation or a guideline around that that
can say, well, in exceptional circumstances, we can make exceptions,

(52:25):
and you're seeing us do that over the years, display
a bit of flexibility around the comments.

Speaker 21 (52:30):
And things like that. But the underlying ethos.

Speaker 20 (52:33):
Of all of that was, you know, it was conveyed
to players that are earned the right to serve. Time
in the black jersey delivered great value and they were
still really committed to that black jersey and wanting to
come back and be a.

Speaker 21 (52:45):
Part of it.

Speaker 20 (52:46):
So you're you know, we've got we've got a bit
of flexibility there. But basically it's everyone just saying we're
not changing.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
The Jordi bar You mean, like Jordi Barrett over in Island.
That's flexibility exactly. But it's not that flexible, isn't it.
I mean you can't just up and play and come
back and split them between like the South Africans.

Speaker 21 (53:03):
No, it's absolutely not that and we don't want that.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Why not, Well, I think to answer the question.

Speaker 20 (53:10):
I think you kind of go back to the purpose
of rugby and New Zealand and if you say, well,
it's there to play its role within sport to personally
develop people, character, a sense of community, social cohesion, connection,
the sense of belonging.

Speaker 21 (53:24):
That you get out of sport, and rugby has played.

Speaker 20 (53:26):
A really really strong role with the New Zealand's evolution
over a long long period of time. And respect of that,
I think rugby club's relationships, marriages, all that kind of stuff,
and then you proove through to those that are good
enough represent us on the global stage and fill us
with pride and inspiration and to a certain extent, when
you look at New Zealand, globally and anyone who travels overseas.
Rugby kind of underpins our identity a little bit.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It's something that we should be pretty proud sodly understand
all that. But for the players, it's about the money,
isn't it. They're not going to be able to get.

Speaker 21 (53:54):
In that coin.

Speaker 20 (53:55):
No, you're missing the point and you're missing that. It's
about more than just how I mean, clearly it's profession.
But the point I'm making is that as custodians the
game in this country, we don't want to see that
rugby lose its place with the New Zealand's identity. We
want the community game to flourish and to do that,
you need to provide your inspirational pathway. To do that,

(54:16):
we need to keep professional rugby professional in New Zealand.
If you allow players to leave at fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
years of age play their rugby overseas in these competitions
that do have more money and will have the ability
to attract players away and still represent the all backs,
the pathway, the professional pathway for the game of this country,
will get lost.

Speaker 21 (54:36):
You lose that, you lose the ability rugby. Yeah, you
see where I'm going with this.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I get where you're going, but I think you have
to concede that that does come at a financial cost
to those players who would today like to upsticks, go
play overseas and come back. You know what I mean,
There is an opportunity cost to what you're talking about.
You're sacrificing an individual, is sacrificing for the greater good,
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 21 (54:58):
Yeah, it's not sacrifice.

Speaker 20 (55:00):
I mean like professional sport is about choices, right, you
choose to slave professional sport. You don't ann ow language,
you don't sacrifice going to the part of You choose
not to because you want something else more. And I
think that's a really important ethos. There's something about the
way in which New Zealander Arabia has maintained its position
over a long period of time of being the best,

(55:21):
you know, and it comes down a lot to the coaching,
to the environments where there's just this desire to be
the best. And it starts when the kids are really
young and they're coming through the grades. You know, when
they pull on that back jusey, they want to be
the best, and to be the best, you want to
compete with the best and be coached by the best.
And so the ability for us to keep players in
this country, keep the high performance pathways, keep them wanting

(55:41):
to perform for the country and stay connected. Players that
want to be the best and succeed, they want to
be a part of that and that's that. So you
might say, well, you're se sacrificing money, but actually what
I'm getting in return, I'm getting to be.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
The best I know.

Speaker 20 (55:56):
I'm in the right place to be the best I possibly.

Speaker 21 (55:58):
Can go in.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Understand. Thank you very much for explaining. Appreciate your time.
Rob Nickel, who's the chief executive at check of Executive
rather at the Rugby Players Association. It's eighteen minutes away
from six.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find you
all one of the.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Kind news talk'd be clear to the lord journalists with
us on the huddle tonight. Hey cliar Hi, they're right
good to see you and Stuart Nash Formal Labor Minister's
here too. Hi, Stuart Ryan, how are you good?

Speaker 14 (56:24):
Good?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Thank you?

Speaker 21 (56:25):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Let's start with the baby boomers starting to die and
having a huge amount of inheritance. In fact, somebody said
it's the biggest intergenerational change in wealth that the world's
ever seen. Clear, what should they do with all of
their money and assets?

Speaker 22 (56:41):
You're speaking to one now, what should all of that loot?

Speaker 23 (56:48):
Hey, well, there's always skiing, as they say, spending the
kids inheritance. But I do have agree with sympathy for
people who think it's better to support charities while you're alive.
That way, you get to see, if you're very interested
in the outcome of what they're doing, get to see
it yourself, and hopefully you pass on to your family

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a bit of a love of whatever that is an.

Speaker 22 (57:11):
Affection for it.

Speaker 23 (57:12):
If once you're gone they decide that they'd like to
support out of their inheritance that charity and have an
ongoing family connection or whatever, I think that's fantastic. But
I do think that as the boomers sort of move on,
as we all shuffle off with kids, expectantly sort of
you know, queuing up outside the lawyers waiting to see
what's in line, we will probably also by that stage

(57:35):
have a capital gains tax. We will probably be clipping
the ticket. In other ways, a national super may well
or be means tested or whatever. So I think that's
probably the extent to which I would like to see
people being in any way coerced, just paying their taxes
as they go.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Stuart, do you have your parents still with us? And
I mean, are you expecting to get some kind of inheritance?
Is that something you've always thought about?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
No, it's not.

Speaker 17 (58:01):
But I'm of a generation when I started working with
my wife we could afford a house. I think this
has probably changed a little bit because for a lot
of young people, when their parents shuffle off this mortal coil,
the inheritance they get will allow them to pay down debt.
So you know, we're not talking about the super wealthy here.
We're talking about mum and dad who maybe have a

(58:22):
house in Auckland, maybe a house in Woodville. I do think, mate,
that the greatest iniquity in society in the next twenty
years will come from where your parents ended up dying.
If you're one of four kids in Woodville, you may
end up with one hundred thousand. If you wanted two
kids whose parents owned a house and Herne Bay, you
may end up with two million dollars each. But you know,

(58:45):
we've always been bad at this Keywis have never been
great givers Americans get it, Keywis, never really have and
I don't expect to see that changing at all.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
To be honest, does it clear? Does it feel like?
Can you explain what it feels like to want to
give money to somebody else? You know what I mean?
Do you think people actually get some pleasure in the
final years of their life, not that you're there, but
in the fund?

Speaker 22 (59:10):
Do I look that bad today?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
But of knowing that the money that they have built up,
or the assets that they have built up, will be
there for their children and for their grandchildren. That that's
part of the appeal of it.

Speaker 22 (59:22):
Yeah, that is part of the appeal of it. But
if they have, you know, like.

Speaker 23 (59:27):
The two million dollar excess that Stew's referring to for example,
for example, they may want to be enjoying that with
their kids and giving to something they support. At the
same time, if we didn't have some of that, we
wouldn't have the ASB Tennis Center. There has been a
lot of philanthropy given towards that. There's a huge number
of sports organizations that have relied on the philanthropy of

(59:50):
somebody quite big in their small local community who's really
looked after them during their lifetime and in death, and
I think without that we would have far few with
facilities around the place. There is research that shows that
people who earn less tend to respond more to a
call for immediate action flood relief, for example, cyclone relief,

(01:00:14):
to give small amounts of money regularly to try and
help somebody just a little bit.

Speaker 22 (01:00:19):
So when I'm not entirely lacking as a charitable country.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, good point. We'll be back in just a moment.
Clear to law and Stuart Nash on the huddle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International realty, the ones
with local and global reach.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
And leave it away from sex News talks. There'd be
clear the lad journalist Stuart Nash Formal Labor Minister on
the program tonight. Just before we move on to the
Act Party and local elections. There's a gist of lovely
text that's come in. It says Ryan, I want to
leave on inheritance. I want to leave whatever I have
to my sons because I don't want them to struggle
all their lives like I have. Doesn't that break your heart, STUARTE.

Speaker 17 (01:00:58):
That's the attitude of the vast majority of Key I think,
and it's not a bad one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Right, No, it's not, it's not right. Let's talk about
the ACT Party and they push to stand candidates at
local body elections. Is this going to work well?

Speaker 17 (01:01:11):
I think with all do you respect to David Seymour,
He's got a lot of problems he's got to sort
out in his bee hive office, let alone worrying about
what's happening around the country and local government elections. Labor
has occasionally stood candidates, not not often, but occasionally in
certain electorates where we're very, very strong, But you know,
David has delivered mediocrity as a minister. If I was

(01:01:33):
thinking about running for local council, and I'm not, I
would steer well clear of the ACT brand because I
don't think it's particularly strong at the moment. If I'm
honest with your mate, clear, what do you think?

Speaker 23 (01:01:42):
Well, you know, I don't know if he's sort of
trying to do some public good by generating more interest
in local body elections than we currently have because it's
so low. Yeah, and it is so unattractive to so
many people to stand. But I much prefer the sort
of almost like the blind tasting, you kind of where
people are coming from politically, but they're not branded big time.

(01:02:04):
And I just think actually there is a risk for
ACT in this too because selection of a local body candidate,
you know that you would need a lot of them
to feel a full sheet, and the cross contamination if
one of them has foot in mouth syndrome, will blow
up spectacularly. So I don't know whether it's a good
idea from that point of view either.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
No, is it just a brand because I was trying
to think what actually is in it for the active party.
Is it just a branding thing where you have your
logo up more someone else is paying for it.

Speaker 23 (01:02:34):
I don't know, because also it can be expensive, and
there is that, you know, I think the risk factor
of not being able to.

Speaker 22 (01:02:39):
Manage or control these people.

Speaker 17 (01:02:41):
Yes, sure, look it's a pure branding thing. And you know,
like I said that Labour used to stand candidates in
South Auckland and the reason for that is Labor was
just so popular in South Auckland it could get away
with it. But it doesn't stand them in places like
Napure or elsewhere. We have held the national seat, we've
held the electriate seed I'm I'm with you clear. I

(01:03:03):
think there's more risk in this than there is good.
But I'm not too sure if David's put this out
and flying a kite to divert attention away from school
lunches or charter schools or everything else he's touched. But
I think it's just David, just as mentioned, trying to
divert attention away from the disaster that's going on and
well into the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
What's happening was my cynicism. Hey, you've been there, you've
done it's what's up with Wellington is they were going
to get a candidate for the Wellington Maryalty. What's happening there?

Speaker 17 (01:03:36):
I don't know, actually, I mean anyone but the current mayor. Please,
I mean, why aren't people putting up their hand? I
would have thought if there was a good candidate out
there that they would romp in. But for some reason.

Speaker 23 (01:03:46):
But they touch a mess too, an't they? It's just
like that's true much a mess?

Speaker 22 (01:03:51):
Where do you unpick it all?

Speaker 17 (01:03:53):
But I think you could anyone could look really really good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
A road cone could look pretty good.

Speaker 22 (01:04:00):
I don't want to compare him on a road home.

Speaker 23 (01:04:01):
But our friend Mark Sainsbury has been mentioned in dispatches
and he's decided not to. But even yesterday somebody said
to me, you know.

Speaker 22 (01:04:10):
He really should. We really really need.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
To know what. I really loved about Sanzo's comment to
the paper. His comment was, do you know what, not
just because I could doesn't mean I should. He said,
people know me. I've got name recognition, I live in Wellington.
I love this city. But that doesn't make me keep
that doesn't make me competent.

Speaker 22 (01:04:31):
He's only recently adopted that man track.

Speaker 17 (01:04:35):
Well, it's true it doesn't make him competent. But you
can't tell me there isn't someone out there who loves
the city, is highly competent, knows what needs to be done,
has a has a bit of charisma, can deliver a
decent speech, and work past midday. You know that would
be a start, right, working past midday, turning up to meetings.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, but there's got.

Speaker 17 (01:04:58):
To be someone out there. I'm sure both Labor and National,
or the right and the left are scouting high and
load to find someone else. And I hope, like how
they do find someone decent.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah, and Wellington deserves it, after all they've been through.
Thank you very much team for coming on. Great to
have you on as always for the huddle that is
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Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Talks EDB, News Talks VB. It is coming up four
minutes away from six o'clock. Now after six, we're going
to talk to Brad Olsen about renting. If you're in
the if you're a renteur, things that are apparently getting
better for you. If you're changing flats, if you're a landlord,
particularly in our biggest cities, things aren't so great. We're
also going to talk to Jamie McKay from the Country

(01:05:47):
Farmer confidence up again. Of course we've seen over the
last couple of months the payouts were expecting Paul blots
them after half six and end the radio out of
the UK. But after the news and do you say
that duty free stores and airports are a wrought? Are
they actually there much cheaper? We've got numbers for your.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Next what's what's down wan with a major calls and

(01:06:40):
how will it affect the economy? The big business questions
on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mayor's Insurance
and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future News talks
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Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Good Ey Thing. It is seven after six news talks.
There'd be Brad Olsen on renting, Jamie McKay on farming,
Poor box them and Indo Brady all ahead before the
end of the hour. Right now, the French are flying
into Auckland International Airport. This French global output, the travel
retailer Legardere, has won an eight year contract to run
the airport's duty free shops for the next eight years. Obviously,

(01:07:16):
apparently they're going to be stocking top global brands, which
I thought most of our airport, our international airport duty
free stores already were. But how much better off are
you actually shopping duty free? Chris Wilkinson's the first Retail
Group managing director is with us now. Hi, Chris, Hey, Ryan,
how are you do? Good? Thank you, Good to have

(01:07:36):
you on the show. This is obviously a good thing.
This is good news that the French are coming here
to do this.

Speaker 24 (01:07:41):
Yeah, well we've already got French operator in the end now,
so this operator is I guess just a massive scale
around the world. So it's a very promising sign, is
it true?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
I mean, yes, you get your GST off, you get
your duty off, but at the prices actually, you know
do you get is it one for one? Do you
get back every dollar that you save on GST and
on duty?

Speaker 24 (01:08:08):
Well it's interesting. I just took a couple of products
before and tested them out. So Bombay Gin, for instance,
fifty six dollars at the airport it is sixty nine
to ninety nine, but you can get two for seventy
nine or three four hundred and ten. You know, that's
just one example. We know that some products are more expensive.
I mean if you see Wickers chocolate, well, what were

(01:08:29):
you're expecting? It's going to be expensive there anyway. But
the key thing about gfree is it gives you a
lot of selection, and particularly in cosmetics and perfumery, you
won't find that level of selection in general retail.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. But is it as
cheap as it should be? I guess is the question?
And there's anyone watching, I mean, what laws do you
have to follow on and bide buy if you are
in the airport.

Speaker 24 (01:08:55):
Well, look that'd be a question for Auckland Airport. But
what you will find, also, Ryan, is that the product
sizes are often different than you buy a normal retail
so it's sometimes quite hard to compare at light for like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Okay, Chris, thank you very much for that. Chris wal
consents Retail Group with US nine minutes after six News
talks the b Just as an example for you this afternoon,
if I get a fifty million bottle of Mark Jacobs
daisy eed toilet, you can imagine it's pronounced something quite
different than that. Anyway, it would cost me one hundred

(01:09:30):
and nineteen dollars duty free now, because you've got to
pay your import duty if you get it outside. So
you would think it would be more expensive on the
art side, but apparently not. Apparently you can get that
same bottle of perfume from Chemists Warehouse at only eighty
nine dollars ninety nine. So, and I've noticed that when
you get your Chemist's Warehouse catalog or your bargain Chemist's

(01:09:53):
Warehouse catalog, whatever it is, you will notice that they
have a whole bunch of perfumes that's like really good brands.
It seemed to be really really cheap, cheaper than you
would get them at the airport, So then you think,
why would you bother buying them at the airport. I
guess it's the range, as Chris said, it is. Ten
minutes after six, News Talk, said B. Brad Elson.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
EBB News TALKSB thirteen minutes after six. The sheep and
beef farmers absolutely fizzing with confidence. Apparently it is the
third consecutive positive sentiments survey for them from them in
a row. Obviously, so Jamie McKay he's with the country,
he'll be with us to break down exactly what's behind

(01:10:41):
that and what it means. This is the Rabobank Rural
confidence of what it means for the sector, what it
means for some of those results that we're seeing coming
through as well. Thirteen after six. Now rich for renters.
We're hearing reports that landlords are trying to secure new
tenants by offering them grocery vouchers or a week's free
rent to lure them in. This comes as trade me

(01:11:03):
stats show the number of new rental listings in Auckland
was up thirty four percent in February compared to a
year ago. Last week on Friday, actually we told you
about rents coming down in the main centers in Auckland
and in Wellington in particular. Brad Olston is the Informetric's
principal economist. Brad Hello, good evening. So it sounds like
affordability potentially getting a bit better for renters. We had

(01:11:25):
that seek data out last week and now we've got
this story about incentives being offered.

Speaker 25 (01:11:30):
Yeah, it does certainly seem like there's a bit more
opportunity out there when it comes to the rental market.
People who are still in their rents that you know
they signed up a while ago. It's not like you
can easily negotiate your rent to go low with your
existing landlord. But for people who are casting about for
a rental at the moment, there does seem to be
generally a fair bit more choice going on and a

(01:11:51):
bit of downward pressure in some areas on rent prices
because well, there's just not quite as much demand and
there's now more people who are offering how to rent
than there are people who are looking to rent, at
least in the short term.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Why has it gone up so much in Auckland in particular,
trade me reckons that listings up thirty four percent in
February compared to a year ago. I mean, is that
just seasonal stuff or is this something going on here?

Speaker 25 (01:12:13):
I think there's some underlying trends coming through because you're
seeing not quite the same degree, but you're seeing that
sort of similar trend emerging in Wellington. I know that
the flat that I currently rent, you know, if it
was relisted today, we wouldn't be paying nearly as much
as we currently are. So there's definitely a feeling that
there's both a bit of supply and demand going on here.

(01:12:34):
You've got a few more people that are going Look,
I'm obviously wanting to list my house on the market
to try and get some people in, and that's probably
because of where mortgage rates and similar have been. But
I think it's just as important that you've got again
the fact that when it comes to New Zealand, as
having left the country and similar again, that level of
demand is just not quite as there as it was before.

(01:12:57):
You've got more people now who are not looking to
rent for whatever reason, and all of a sudden there's
more rentals on the market. Both of those I think
are linked, but overall they mean that there are a
few more deals to be done and a lot of
landlords who are going Actually, I need to figure out
how to fill the space, because it's not like before
when as a landlord, people walked into your house and said,
you know, please pick me, and you had a bidding war.

(01:13:18):
Now it's more of a how do I make sure
I've got a rent of that can fit in?

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Yeah? Interesting, Brad, thank you very much for that. Brad
Alsen on the rent is sixteen minutes after six Ryan
a click update on the astronauts. I said, we would
only come back to those two astronauts if we actually
had any news to deliver you. They are in the capsule,
the SpaceX capsule coming back to Earth. We can confirm,
and we can confirm they are in the capsule. So

(01:13:43):
has the capsule left the space station yet?

Speaker 11 (01:13:46):
I'm looking at a picture of what looks like a
capsule floating by itself in space. So either that's happened
or the ISS has just lost one of the other
empty capsules. So either way, it's been used.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Okay, I think it sounds like they're in there.

Speaker 11 (01:13:57):
They're in the little no one's screaming like on the
on the what do you call it the radio on
the commons, So I think it's probably the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
There's no paniced voices. That's good, all right. So we
have two astronauts who were stuck in space together for
nine months on an unscheduled, prolonged visit to the International
Space Station, now coming back to Earth. You know, I
was thinking, just as we were discussing with John Bolton
the war with Ukraine. It's just wondering to myself those
two people coming back down to Earth. You know, they're

(01:14:26):
coming back to a ceasefire that's just broken down in
the Middle East, to war that's still raging in Ukraine.
I wonder with the perspective that they had from up
there in space, where if we send all of our
leaders up there, would anything change?

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Nine two the number of text Jamie McKay he's a
thoughtful man. You might have an answer for us, Host
of the Country and is here next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health, home of world
leading animal identification.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
It is six twenty on News Talks here b Jamie
MacKaye as Host of the Countries with me tonight. Hi Jamie.
Good ay, Ryan, good to have you back. Now the
government changes, the price is looking pretty good, and we've
got sentiment up for our sheep and beef farmers.

Speaker 12 (01:15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:15:10):
Look, this is the first Rabobank Rural Confidence survey of
twenty twenty five, and it's following on from a couple
of better ones. Remember we were almost at rock bottom
at the middle of last year, so we've bounced three
in a row. This one, interestingly, Ryan, is at a
really good level. Plus forty four percent of farmers confident.

(01:15:32):
This is the second highest net confidence in the last decade,
since twenty seventeen, when we had a plus fifty two number.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
This one's being.

Speaker 26 (01:15:42):
Driven, interestingly by sheep and beef farmers who have seen
record prices for beef, vastly improved prices for lamb and mutton.
Mind you, they could be better. Wool stare no good
or not strong, walls not very good at all. So
the sheep and beef farmers are driving the confidence in
this one. The last survey of last year was driven
by the dairy farmers. Now reasons for farmers being confident

(01:16:06):
no surprise here, higher commodity prices sixty two percent falling
interest rates twenty two percent. They're just going down more slowly,
perhaps than farmers wanted. For those who were feeling a
bit negative, the old hardy annual government intervention and policies
thirty seven percent. Although to be fair, Ryan, this government

(01:16:28):
couldn't be much more farmer friendly if they tried. And
the one that I would have thought would have been
the highest was rising input prices at thirty three percent.
So look, we'll take this one. I know Rabobank pretty
toughed with it, and I think the government will be
pretty chuffed with it. The farmers are, but unfortunately for
the farmers and the government, there's not enough of them
to vote the government in or out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
That's right, Hey, another global do trade option tonight. We're
doing it to come back and pair back a little bit.

Speaker 26 (01:16:58):
Well, that's what my man and says. I'll give them
a shameless plug ahead of commodities Mike McIntyre one or
two percent fall. If we do get that'll be get
a result like that. It'll be a third relatively small
fall in a row. But it's been pretty damn good,
and we know that the banks and Fonterra are all
sitting at ten dollars payouts for this season. But importantly,

(01:17:21):
darien z came out and said they're now forecasting for
the twenty five twenty six season, ie next season, ten
dollars as well. In fact, they're that they're thrown out.
Ten dollars thirteen is their forecast milk price. Their forecast
milk price for this season is ten dollars four. Interestingly,
in the past twenty five years, whenever we've had a

(01:17:43):
record milk price, we've never followed it, We've never backed
it up with another good one. So maybe we can
break the curse of the record milk price. So and
you know, well, ten dollars sounds wonderful, and historically it
will be a record. The problem with business or farm
or anything, it's just the cost of running things these
days is pretty expensive. So for your ten dollars thirteen

(01:18:07):
for next season, it's going to cost you eight dollars
fifty seven to produce that milk. So there is a
margin there, perhaps not the best margin in the past
ten years. I think that would be twenty thirteen fourteen. Similarly,
for this year, darien Zetta saying just over ten dollars
ten dollars four, eight dollars fifty four, very similar figures

(01:18:28):
to produce that milk. So once again, those are reasonable margins,
certainly better than we've had in recent years. And the
futures market just to take it off, currently sitting at
ten dollars fifteen for this season. They're still down at
nine forty five for next season. But there's a lot
of water to go under the bridge or milk to
go through the vat before we worry about twenty five

(01:18:48):
twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Ryan, Yeah, good point, Jamie, Thank you for that. Host
of the country here on News Talk, here'd be Jamie McKay.
It is twenty four minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Alfter six, Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
It's an interesting thing to think about. For all of
the regulation and all of the red tape and all
of the hand ringing that went on with the last government.
And I'm not saying that, you know, greenhouse gases aren't
a problem, blah blah blah blah blah, disclaimers, disclaimers, But
for all of that, what did we actually achieve, Like,

(01:19:19):
how is the world actually different under national with farmers
than it was under labor with farmers Aside from the
fact that they were being squeezed from within an inch
of their lives is the planet worse. I don't know
that we can say that it is just because Nationals
and government in charge of the farmers, you know what
I mean. They've kept the they've kept the carbon neutral bill,

(01:19:43):
the twenty fifty thing. They're just going to go about
it a different way. I mean, Labor didn't have agriculture
in the emissions trading scheme. National doesn't either, though they
might find themselves ending up there one day. In fact,
they probably will end up there one day soon. But
all of that sort of control, all of that red tape,
and all of the hoops that you had to jump

(01:20:04):
through for what what did we get? What did we
gain as a planet, as a people, other than a
bunch of angry farmers. Well, you know with pitchforks through Mournsville,
which is not exactly something that you want. Ryan London
is about Judy free London. Duty free is worth the
hike back to New Zealand. But Auckland is a waste

(01:20:26):
of time. It's really just the gst off. You can
get better discounts at everyday retail. I think so too.
I certainly don't hold out for you know, I don't
specifically go and buy anything at duty free myself, because
I just don't think it's that much cheaper. A friend
of mine got the pair of headphones and I think
saved four or five dollars on a pair of headphones.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Yeah to me, to me, it's it's not the end
of the world. I'll just get them down at my
local shop, Thank you very much. News Talk said be
nine two nine two. The number to text coming up
after the new is at six thirty. We're going to
go to Paul Bloxham get the latest out of Australia.
End of Brady is in the UK for us now
he'll update us on the Putin Trump's phone call that's
due to take place tonight. Marco Rubio of course face

(01:21:13):
to face with Winston Peter's tomorrow morning, so Mike Cosking
will be across that tomorrow morning. Also we'll have the
mop up here on Drive. King Charles has met the
new Canadian Prime Minister. And now there is a number.
Thought is the monarchy, you know, the whole world's everyone's
feeling quite adrift and desparate from one another. The monarchy

(01:21:34):
always brings us back together, doesn't it. So we'll talk
to end of Brady about that before top of the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Twenty five away from seven. The two astronauts stuck in
space they are on their way home. We can confirm,
which is fantastic news. The length of time they spent
in space two hundred and eighty six days, and that
is a lot longer than they anticipated to be there. However,
is still much less than the world record, which is
four hundred and thirty seven days in orbit that is

(01:22:56):
held by a Russian cosmonaut. Twenty five to seven Bridge.
The OCD has revised down its expectations for the global economy.
This is thanks to Trump's tariff trade three t's get
it out, Ryan Trump's trade tariffs. Canada and Mexico are

(01:23:17):
forecast to see the biggest impact Canada's growth. That outlook
has been halved. Mexico is expected to plunge into a recession.
The US is also expected to take a hit. Paul
Bloxham is HSBC's chief economisties with US now Hi Paul
good eight. So what do you make of this OECD
analysis as a stack up.

Speaker 15 (01:23:37):
Well, the idea that it's downside risk for global growth
lifting trade tariffs and the trade tensions that are out
there is certainly makes sense. And the way they've calibrated
that in terms of their forecasts is to lower their
forecast the most for countries that have seen the biggest changes,
so Canada Mexico.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
These are two.

Speaker 15 (01:23:55):
Countries where there have already been tariffs announced and there
are more in trained. So it makes sense that they've
revised down their global growth story on the back of
the policy changes we've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
We could see further revision down right, because I mean
we haven't even got to April second yet, which is
when the President will formally sort of announce what he's
doing with all tariffs. Well, that's right, we're only part
way through the process.

Speaker 15 (01:24:20):
We've seen a whole lot of action already most but
there is still more to come, as you say, so,
they're flagging, the administration has been flagging that on the
first of April there'll be more a larger collection of
possible changes to trade policy from the US And in
that basket of things that they're talking about, they're talking
about the idea of potentially using what are called reciprocal tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
So the idea is.

Speaker 15 (01:24:44):
That you look at how every other country's got its
trade policy set with the US, and then potentially the
US matches that. So that would be a large set
of changes that would potentially.

Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Come into play.

Speaker 15 (01:24:57):
But there are other things in the works as well, certainly,
and so watching out for what happens on the first
and second of April is certainly important.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Australia is also speak to take ahead on these OECD
numbers by how much.

Speaker 15 (01:25:09):
Not very much for twenty twenty five, although they have
revised down their growth forecast for twenty six. I mean,
I think Australia is less in the firing line in
the scheme of things because I think most of Australia's
Australia's trade share with the US is actually not that large,
so only four point six percent of Australia's exports go

(01:25:30):
to the US directly. But the bigger effect on Australia
is potentially going to come through the impact that any
of these sorts of policy changes has on Australia's trading partners,
mostly in Asia, and of course what that means for
growth in China and the Asian economies more generally, and
they are obviously becoming subject to some of these policy
these policy shifts. The thing I think that's worth keeping

(01:25:52):
in mind, though, as we saw yesterday and over the weekend,
is that the Chinese policymakers are also very well aware
of this, and they've already started to take action to
support China's growth in the face of right the ratcheting
up trade policy tensions. They've announced this thirty point plan
to support the consumer and as a result of that,

(01:26:12):
I think that's going to provide support for China's growth.
So that would be a positive or an offsetting effect
for Australia and for New Zealand as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Yeah, I was going to ask you about China because
you've obviously we had those numbers out for January February
showing their exports were well, not as much as they
would have liked. Their imports were down I think eight
percent for that month. But then, as you say, you've
got the stimulus, you've also got the retail sales data
out which was slightly better than expected. How's China looking

(01:26:40):
to you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Well, So the broad.

Speaker 15 (01:26:43):
Sweep of numbers we got yesterday were a bit better
on average than was expected. So across the production numbers,
the retail figures, the investment numbers, they were all a
bit better than expected. But the main thing is we've
also seen stronger policy support announced in this form of
this Special Action Plan to boost consumption as the Chinese
referred to it, and it's a big plan with a
lot of different measures, mainly aimed at trying to lift

(01:27:05):
household incomes. And as a result of that, HSBC has
actually we've revised up our growth forecast for China for
twenty twenty five. We now think growth will be four
point eight percent. We previously thought it would be four
and a half. So we're taking action with our own
forecasts on the back of the fact that the policymakers
are stepping up and providing more more stimulus.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
And that's what's important.

Speaker 15 (01:27:24):
I think that's the fundamental thing that's important for Australia
and New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
We are more tied to the Asia.

Speaker 15 (01:27:30):
Story and the China story than we are to what
happens directly out out of the US, and so if
there are policy measures like this delivered, which is what
we're getting, that's going to be positive a support for
Australia and New Zealand's trade with China, so that's a
big offsetting feature.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Yeah, thank you to the CCP. Now, the New Zealand
GDP figure this is four quarter to four last year.
Is this Thursday, most people saying will recover. Yep, we've
got that in mind as well.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
We've got a consensus.

Speaker 15 (01:27:59):
Actually we're in line with consensus with a point four
percentage point a percent rise in in the quarter q
on Q. Now, the year on year number would still
be falling quite strongly on the back of that. But
I do think that you're in the beginnings, and we
talked about this when we spoke last time. We're in
the beginnings of an upswing in New Zealand, and I
think there are two key tailwinds that are really going
to help you out. The first one is that interest

(01:28:21):
rates are coming down, and they've come down a lot
already and they'll probably come down further yet. So you've
given there's been one hundred and seventy five basis points
of easing already and we think there's probably three.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
More cuts to come.

Speaker 15 (01:28:31):
So that's a lot of monetary policy easing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
To support the domestic economy.

Speaker 15 (01:28:35):
And the other tailwind is that dairy prices and meat
prices are high and that's giving you a tailwind from
the terms of trade boosting national income. So that combination
we think will lift growth more this year. And the
Q four print which we get this week is the
beginnings of that upswing led by the consumer.

Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
That's what we're expecting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Long mate, continue, Paul, Thank you very much for that.
Paul Bloxham, HSBC Chief Economists here on whose talk zib
It is nineteen minutes away from seven. We'll go to
the UK with Into Brady next.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Sixteen minutes away from seven News TALKSB if you're just
joining us. The ceasefire, the fragile ceasefire in the Middle
East over Gaza appears to be faltering right now. We've
got rockets being fired from Israel. We've got accusations that
Hamas is not releasing hostages as they were supposed to
under the ceasefire agreement. So a very fragile situation. In
the Middle East. Meanwhile, over in Europe Ukraine, the war continues,

(01:29:40):
and we have Donald Trump and we have Vladimir Putin
having a call tonight our time, hopefully to get the
Russians to agree to the peace deal that the US
is broken, that Ukraine has already agreed to. That's the
goal of the meeting. Into Brady's UK correspondents with US tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
Hey Enda, Hey Ryan, Good speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Good to speak to you too. So these two leaders
are going to speak tonight and we're hoping to get
some resolution. What's the feeling over your way of whether
we might.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
I think the overwhelming emotion in today is one of fear,
because this is the phone call where they will effectively
be carving up Ukrainian land and assets and deciding who
gets what now. We haven't seen any intimation from Vladimir
Putin that he will bend or he will concede anything.

(01:30:32):
Everything seems to be very much on his terms. Trump
seems to be very much on his side. He has
already told Zelenski he holds no cards whatsoever. We've seen
that said to his face in the White House. So
this is not a negotiation. A lot of people in
Europe are just worried today that this will be effectively
handing Putin exactly what he wants, and once he gets

(01:30:55):
what he wants in Ukraine, the big question everyone else
in Europe has is what next? Quite what will you
stop at?

Speaker 21 (01:31:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
And I guess I mean there'll be some around the
world who'll say, well, Europe, this is sort of in
a way, you're own making too, because you educated your
own responsibilities. And I don't mean you enda, you know
that you're educated its own responsibilities for securing its defense capabilities.
And therefore you know, when someone like Trump comes along

(01:31:25):
and takes America out of the picture, well this happens, Well, I'd.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
Have issues with that because I think Germany and the
UK have stepped up. There has been huge support militarily
financially in terms of training soldiers as well, certainly from
the UK. The Germans have given more than anyone else
in Europe. So Europe has done as much as it can.
Certainly some countries could have done more. But I think

(01:31:51):
today will be a very sad day if this pans out.
As people are expecting that a phone call goals from
Trump to Putin. Many people questioning that relationship stroke friendship,
and Putin, having waged three years of an illegal war,
gets exactly what he wants. So basically today will be
all about dividing up Ukraine's land and who gets the

(01:32:13):
power stations. And I don't see anything that will come
out with this phone call that will make Putin think
I can stop now. I mean, you know the huge
theories that we're in a Neville Chamberlaine moment, and we
get Trump tonight waving a little bit of white paper
saying that he's got peace in our time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
Yeah, let's go to King Charles. He's had a meeting
with the new Canadian Prime minister.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
What's se for?

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Well, check out what he wore, a white shirt and
a red tie on King Charles of Canada when he
met Mark Carney. So look, they know each other. Carney
was Governor of the Bank of England for almost seven
years here, so he is very much embedded in British
life and the establishment here, and he has many friends
in Europe. And Carney's whistle stop tour took him to

(01:33:02):
Paris first and then London, so in the space of
less than twenty four hours, he has spent time with
President Macron, Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister and King Charles.
So this is not a message to the Canadian people.
This is a message to the White House because traditionally
Canada's new Prime minister always makes his first foreign trip

(01:33:23):
to Washington, DC. And this is what Mark Karney has done.
Make no mistake, he has huge support in Europe and
as was evidenced with the reception he got a Bookingham Palace.
King Charles very very much on side, wearing Canadian colors.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Interesting now the steps you've got on you hands on
showing one in ten UK adults are on benefits for sickness.
That is a massive number, is it not?

Speaker 6 (01:33:50):
It is and it's a huge talking point this week
as Kir Starmer tries to address the issues. So he's
saying that there's not the money there to support the
welfare state and that he needs to shave and shave
is a loose definition. Ten billion dollars off benefits in
the UK and the stat has come out to back

(01:34:10):
up what the Prime Minister is doing that ultimately one
in ten adults of working age are getting some financial
benefits for being on sick leave. Now, this has gone
through the roof since COVID. I don't quite know how
he fixes it because a lot of people don't want
full time work. So we've got nine point two million
adults here doing nothing, contributing nothing as well, in addition

(01:34:34):
to the one in ten on sick leave and benefits,
there's nine million who don't pay any tax, don't contribute,
and everyone else is carrying them. So it's a huge,
huge headache. But look, this is built up over many,
many years. Starmar is just the first to kind of
come along and say, okay, let's fix it. But we
haven't heard how or what the plan is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
So these people on Welfia like government Welfia chicks or
are they yes? Right? That's massive.

Speaker 6 (01:35:02):
Yeah, it's costing billions and billions of dollars. And I think,
you know, speak to people. This is a conversation down
the pub. When you speak to people, the suspicion is
an awful lot of people are swinging the lead. And
I'll probably get killed for saying this out loud on air.
But mental health issues since COVID seem to be a

(01:35:22):
major factor. And a lot of people are on benefits
since COVID citing mental health reasons. And I think Starmar's
government have looked at the sums and they've realized, you know,
how can this have been so bad in the last
three years?

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
And COVID is the issue.

Speaker 6 (01:35:38):
But how he can start telling people to go back
to work if they're claiming they're genuinely ill. I just
that's a conversation for you and your GP. I guess
what stays behind closed doors stay behind closed doors. But
Starmer has got a huge, huge problem on his hands here.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Yeah, in the thank you very much to the ind
of Brady, a UK correspondent, just gone nine minutes away
from seven. It's true after COVID everyone, everyone just turned
into a little sookie bubber. I don't want to go
to work and I've got the sniffles or you know,
I'm socially what's the new thing they say? I've got
everyone's got ADHD. We know that everybody's got a little

(01:36:16):
bit of autism even though they don't. And social anxiety
that's the other one. I've got social anxiety. I can't
leave the house. Come on, how many people had social
anxiety in nineteen ten? The same proportion of people should
have social anxiety now you know what I mean. It's
Nonsense nine to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Ed B five to seven on news Talk ZIB. Thanks
for being with me today. You have to say, with
this the talk going on, talks going on between the
Russians and the Americans tonight. This is their phone call
between Putin and Trump, you have to hope for a ceasefire.
I mean, it's no good sitting there wringing your hands saying, oh,
well we could have you know, we should be getting
this or we should be getting that. The first porter

(01:37:18):
call is to put down the guns, surely, isn't it.
And then you start to think about, Okay, what's next,
what does he want? What are we willing to give up?
What are the Ukrainians actually willing to give up? Who's
willing to put up the money and the resource for
the backstop? I mean, otherwise you just keep fighting indefinitely, basically,

(01:37:39):
don't you. That's what's been happening for the last three
years you're on News Talks Beef. Thanks for all of
your feedback and your text and your emails today. Very
much appreciated. And it's what are we out here tonight?

Speaker 11 (01:37:51):
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Teddy Swims is coming back to New Zealand. He will
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and Zealand in October. They will be playing at the
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of October and then Spark Arena in Auckland on Thursday
the ninth of October. If you want tickets to that,

(01:38:11):
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you need an American Express card, so if you can't
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you'll just have to wait until Thursday. If you want
to be Frontier members, pre sale or the general on
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Thanks Sans, thanks see tomorrow.

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