Full Show Podcast: 19 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else news sorsav afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to the show Chase. Have you ever seen Trump
looking happier than when he was sitting next to Zelenski
during the White House meeting. We'll get a take from
the US on how likely peace in Ukraine is. We've
got new rules on electricity, should bring down your power
bill apparently the Energy minister on that, and Gareth Morgan's
been tricked by a deep fake Gareth Morgan. He's with
us later on what ever duplicy Ellen. So he's a

(00:33):
little bit of happy news for anyone still feeling an
injustice over the petty way that Trevor Mallard turned the
sprinklers on the parliamentary protesters and made everything worse. He
is coming home from his plum job in Ireland as
the ambassador, as Winston Peter says, quoting the seekers, the
carnival's over. And it's a good job too, because it
was always deeply unfair that Mallied could behave like a

(00:53):
child towards fallow Kiwis and basically torment fallow Kiwis and
then be rewarded his mates with a job that was
funded by Keighley's. Now Winston's trying to spin this like
he's bringing Trevor Mallard home early. He's actually not really
at all. Trevor's dw home in January. It's understood that
he's going to be back in November. Whoopedie doo two
months early and a three year term is hardly a

(01:15):
punishment or a massive recall, isn't it. I mean, if
Winston wanted to bring him home early, he could have
brought him home at any point in the last two
years that he's been the Foreign Minister. But I will
agree with Winston on something here, which is that I
think we have got to stop appointing politicians to diplomatic jobs.
He says full stop. I say as a reward. I
still think that there will be some politicians who are
exceptional and who deserve these jobs because they would do

(01:38):
an excellent job representing us. And I've always thought it
was a pity that Halen Clark never got a posting overseas.
But often they are just lousy at it, aren't they.
I mean Phil goff stuffed up, he had to come back.
Jonathan Hunt embarrassed us by wanting to claim the pension
in the UK when he was already on a very
good wicket from US. Kevin Rudd, the Australian version of
all of this, got sent to Washington by the Aussies

(02:00):
and then embarrassed them by posting weird stuff about Trump
before Trump became president again, then having to go back
through his social media is and delete it all. Being
a politician doesn't necessarily make these people a good diplomat,
and Trevor Mallett is absolutely an example of that. He
has never been accused of being diplomatic. In my opinion,
the only reason that he ever got this gig in
Ireland is because his daughter lives in Ireland and because

(02:21):
he was some sort of an avuncular figure to Grant
and Jacinda and Chippy, who were in government when he
was appointed. That is not a good reason to send
someone to an ambassador's job. It's not a good reason
to get a job that you and I are paying for. So,
as Winston says, Carnival's over good thing too.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Ever, du for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right Sandy text fees number is nine two ninety two
hit it very so on that later on more bad news,
unfortunately for you. On the kids' writing skills, a new
study out today shows that one quarter of year eights,
so year eight is what is that the last year
of intermediate? One quarter of the kids in the life
last year of intermediate can write at the level that's
expected by the government. One quarter does. Stats show that

(03:05):
writing skills decline the older that kids get, so forty
one percent of kids in year three are at the
expected level, thirty three percent in year six, and then
by the time they're in year eight it's less than
a quarter of them. The Education Minister's answer to that
is a new make It Right action plan and Erica
stand for the education ministers with us, Hey, Erica, hello,
How I'm well, thank you?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It blows my mind that we've tolerated this consistent decline
in our standards for so long. How has this happened?

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Well, the first thing to say is no longer, because
we have been looking at these dot points on the
decline graph for decades and doing nothing about it. These
this study was done in twenty twenty four, so I've
asked for baselines baselines against the new curriculum expectation. So
to be fair, this is against the expectations we now

(03:52):
have against the new curriculum where we want children and
know they need to be benchmarked against the rest of
the world. And so it has dropped slightly from you know,
like thirty thirty percent under the old measure against the
old curriculum which was you know, britt Waffley and vague.
And when we are more specific and have higher expectations
compared to the rest of the world, you know, we're
down around twenty four. So that's the first thing to say.

(04:13):
It is against the expectations of the new curriculum, but
it was done last year before we introduced all of
our reforms this year. So I've got these now baselines.
So when we go out at the end of this
year and assess again, we will now be able to
plot each year against the before shot, and the before
shot is grim.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
You will be able when you the improvements. Yeah, your
plan make it right? How does that work? What's what's
the basics of this?

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Well, essentially it's plugging a gap in writing. So we
already have the new English curriculum, structured literacy mandate, at
all of the intervention teachers, the professional learning and development.
This is for those children that are in year six
to eight who will not have all of the benefits
of those things coming through primary that they've already missed

(04:57):
it there at sex six to eight and their parents
are lock at this decline in maths and literacy and thinking, well,
they're about to go to high school. And we always
said we will wrap around these children. So the Writing
Acceleration Tool is based on one hundred and twenty thousand
children at intermediate school getting additional supports through a digital
tool which helps them to practice and reinforce their writing

(05:20):
alongside the teacher doing their explicit teaching. There's a new
handwriting guide out for our primary school kids which is
handwriting is absolutely crucial to reading and developing literacy. And
we're also and this is a real shame we have
to do this, but we do. We have to train
a teacher in every single intermediate and high school in
structured literacy, which is essentially teaching kids to read. And

(05:44):
not a great place to say that we have to
do that because that but that shows you the level
of decline of our students at secondary schools are saying
we need to teach kids to read, so we'll be
providing that to secondary schools as well.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Erica, how do you feel about what I considered to
be reasonably unfair accusations at you that you are some
sort of a racist for taking set of all Mai
words out of these early learning reading books.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Oh look, it's you know what happens when you're a politician, right,
You know there are experts on one side that say
one thing, experts on the other that say another. I
think we tried to find a pragmatic way through. There
was never really going to please some people, and you
saw that last week. But essentially these books are to
teach children the it's called graphemes and phonemes, which essentially

(06:29):
the letter by letter, sound by sound, how you sound
out words. There's seventy five books, twenty six of them
have Marti words and them nothing's changing. Yeah, we just
have to write another eighteen and we're going to make
sure we use Mary words, names and places.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
How you feel about it, because because look, I was
reading the Sunday Papers and Tracy Watkins, who I actually
have a lot of respect for, has basically had a
crack at you for it, which I was very disappointed
in because I thought your argument stacks up. You are
you are almost like annoyingly woke to me, and so
I don't think that you deserved it at all. And
I just wonder if sometimes we're too quick to jump

(07:02):
to must be a rasist.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well, I think I mean, to be honest with you,
When I made these decisions, I thought the opposite was
going to happen. Because we created an entire series in
Today of Marty to teach kids how to read in
the Mary language. We're also from next year going to
have in the English curriculum how to pronounce the Mary
letter sounds and vowel sounds. So when kids do come
across a Marii word, which we do in everyday life,

(07:26):
and you and I might see the word final and
know how to say it, but they don't. So now
they'll be able to decode in both languages. But no
one picks up on the good news. They just go
straight to the Hey. In the new books, you're only
including Marty names and place names. Well, actually that's a
lot more than the existing books because most in fact
three courts, they're almost three quarters of the existing books

(07:48):
or maybe two thirds don't have any Marty words at all.
So I've tried to find a really pragmatic way through.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
But not being rewarded for it, unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
I think the frustrating thing is, if I'm going to
be honest with you, is it I just want kids
to learn to read. Yeah, that's what I care about.
I'm not interested in a culture war. I want kids
to learn to read. And we have been failing miserably
and we've got to turn it around.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
If you carry on being like this, you realize that
the rumors about you being a future leader is just
gonna ramp up a.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Well, yes, what was that keeps writing that?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes, what I see you sounded like that was awkward.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Well it was because you're the one that keeps writing
about it. I'm just trying to do a great mister
of Education.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
No it's not me. It was Andrew of Vance. Anyway, listen,
thank you so much. And when I say Andrew of Vans,
and Andrew Varns, Oliver Hartwich and all of these people, Erica,
thanks so much. Go well, Erica Stanford education minister. There
is more on that, by the way, because Luxon will
just be like, oh can you please stop talking about it.
But everybody continues to talk about it, So I'll give
you the next installment on it. By the way, here's
Winston on the Carnival.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
You know that famous song from the Segas. I'm not
the Carnival's over. I have been in my career ensuring
that when we have the match, they trained their experience
and it should not be a job for the boys
or the girls. Out of politics.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
The dawn is way not quite the happy song.

Speaker 8 (09:18):
It would be as.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like a dirge anyway. This dirge is four Shriver Mallard.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
We made again.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
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Speaker 2 (09:45):
Here the Erica Stanford is put as pure gold go
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past four.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
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be Responsibly.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Blues, Darcy Waldgrave, sports talk host. Okay, here we go,
Blues are off to Mount Smart two games.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
Well.

Speaker 10 (10:08):
Possibly possibly that Michael Burgers wrote the story in the
heir generally has very good connections, so I wouldn't think
he's making up Porky's here and then attempt to get
hold of Eden Park and the Blues and everybody else.

Speaker 11 (10:20):
You can't.

Speaker 10 (10:21):
So when that happens, normally there's some truth and it
isn't there.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think so. I mean, they indicated they were going
to do it, and it's not a bad idea, is it.

Speaker 10 (10:29):
I thought that the Auckland NPC team would have been
better going first. I seem a bit round the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, well, I mean you do make a fair point,
but listen, Darcy, just for the Blues going to Mount
Smart not a bad idea, is it?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
No?

Speaker 10 (10:44):
For smaller games possibly? Well, what I worry here with
this we know that at eden Park when it's full
of people's amazing. I've been to some fantastic Super Rugby
games there at eden Park, final semifinals. The problem here
is when you start splitting your fan base where they go,
where they come back. I'm not going to say it's
going to confuse people, but it could confuse people. Where's

(11:04):
your home ground? And the players, where's our home ground?
Where are our fans? We saw them with Moana Pussyfiker.
They got a number of players or fans to turn
up across the bridge at nor for Harbor no one
ever thought it would happen. Why did that happen because
they built a wonderful game and people wanted to see them. Yeah,
and they got that fan base. So swoting a fan base.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Now, But what do mom to do is they're testing
the water, so they're taking it to Mount Smart and
if we turn up for the two games at Mount Smart,
then they will move all the games to Mount Smart.

Speaker 10 (11:32):
No, but what happens if they get into a semi
final against the Crusaders, for example, they could pump forty thousand.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
People and give the glory games to eat.

Speaker 10 (11:39):
Okay, so glory games to Eden Park, the build up
games there. How I'm going to talk about this tonight.
Craig Dowd's going to join us on air a former
Auckland form of Blues, former All Black, about playing at
a ground, getting used to the ground, what the crowd
will do, whether they will depart, whether they will actually
stretch their legs and go there, or whether they're so
familiar with Eden Park they wan't. I think the big

(12:01):
thing around this is the finances, how much money it
costs to open up Eden Park. And I don't think
that New Zealand Rugby be it Blues or Auckland MPC
or All Blacks have got enough money.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
To pay for it.

Speaker 10 (12:14):
But it's a huge, huge amount of coin.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Of the four players who've left, oh, there.

Speaker 10 (12:19):
Are so many players that have gone. Now, yeah, I've
lost I've lost track because.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Of course Kellie Jackson's gone from the Pulse.

Speaker 10 (12:26):
Yeah, we do know that. We know that Whitney Sooner
has just announced that she's disappearing. Karen Berger disappeared up
before that. Keate Heffernan from down in Southland. There are
so many players. But I don't see this as being
a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
No, it's not.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
It's a future thing and we have a better silver
fir inside for it. I just wish it had stopped
because I speaking happening every day like slow down, lady,
slow down, breathe.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, hey, thank you, Darcy appreciated. Darcy water Grave Sports
Talk Coast to be back at seven the evening. It's
four twenty.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Two, cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's Heather Duficy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else's news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
They'd be Heather absolutely the correct call on Mallard by
Peters should also strip him off his knighthood. Do you
know what, until I got that text, I'd forgotten that
Trevor Mallard had a knighthood. And do you know what,
I've started doing it. I was sort of I'm not
sure if I should admit this to you, because it
does feel slightly petty by me. But I've stopped using
honorifics like titles like that. So I don't call her

(13:31):
dame justson. I just call her Cinda. And I don't
call him Sir Trevor. I just call him Trevor. And
the reason I do that is because it's just it
just grinds my It just winds me up too much
to say dangerous and this, so I just go straight
for just cinder.

Speaker 12 (13:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I know, I know we're all five year olds here.
Hey this, and we've got some rules from the electricity
authority trying to bring the price down. Well, so they say,
I'm not sure it's gonna work, but anyway, it's trying
to make things a little bit more fair. Got what
they're going to force the gen Taylors to do. These
are the guys who generate the electricity and then sell
the electricity to you. The retail it to you. They're
going to force the generation parts of those business to

(14:08):
sell the power to the retail parts of those business
at the same price as they sell it to everybody else,
so that they don't have a special discount going on there.
The Energy Minister Simon Watts is stoked about it. He's
going to be with us after five o'clock. Will have
a chat to him right now. It's full twenty six
now on the Trump meeting. It's hard to know if
anything's actually going to come from the White House meeting,
but at least it wasn't the clown show that it

(14:28):
was last time. Instead of shouting this time there was
just a lot of love, thank.

Speaker 9 (14:33):
You very much for your efforts post and love for
us to stop killings and stop this war.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
For the guy who was bullied last time to be
thanking him for the efforts is quite a thing. Trump
loved it, the UK loved it.

Speaker 13 (14:45):
There was a real sense of unity between the European
leaders that were there on President Trump and President Selenski.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
The US Secretary of State Marco Rubio loved it.

Speaker 14 (14:53):
The whole thing was a big moment, unprecedented really when
you think about all these European leaders came here. Seven
that were there on the that included the heat of
the of NATO and the hat of the EU.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
And there's this weird thing that's now going on where
the wives write each other letters. So Zelenski turned up
with a letter from his wife and gave it to
Donald Trump for his wife Millennia.

Speaker 8 (15:12):
My wife, your green.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
She gave the that it's not to you.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Or to your life.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And Zelensky got the message and dressed up this time
not in a suit suit but in a combat gear
thing that looked less like combat gear and more like
a combat suit. And the reporter who had a crack
at him about a suit last time, noticed it.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
You little fabulous in that suit. You looked good. I
said the same thing I said some one that attacked
your last dame. Remember, I apologize to you. You look wonderful.

Speaker 15 (15:46):
Just wow.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
What to turn around? What a happy day, like night
and day between this time and last time. Anyway, we'll
go to the US and get a take on that.
After five, News is.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Next, Hard Questions Wrong Opinion.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news talk sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Hard to see.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Heather, gen X are here. How that's older than me?
Gen X's are like late forties and fifties and stuff
like that. Gen X are here. We were studying books
like a Tale of Two Cities in fourth form and
today's kids can't even read or write. What a disgrace.
Siah make a good point. This is the thing I felt.
I'm struggling to understand it, and I'd love somebody to explain
it to me one day. How is it that we

(16:38):
went from fourth form studying a Tale of Two Cities?
What did we do? We did fifth form? Handmaid's Tale? Geez,
what a miserable time. But it's it's quite like intense
texts that you're having a look at, and you know,
various things like that. How did we go from that
to the kids being unable to read and write properly
and only a quarter of them? How did that decline happen?
This is the thing that bothers me. How did that

(16:59):
decline happen? And the teachers who've been teaching this whole
time watched it happen and didn't start ringing alarm bells
and going whoa, something massive is going on? Here, guys.
The kids can't even read and write. How did that happen?
Under their noses? And hardly anyone said anything.

Speaker 16 (17:12):
Very excuely you could say it was the best of
times and now it's the worst of time.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Lame, isn't he? Jesus lame? We have to work with us,
Barry sobers us in ten minutes, he's lame. Two twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
The big White House meeting is over. Sir Kia Starma
thought it went very well.

Speaker 13 (17:32):
The Coalition of Willing countries that's thirty countries already working
together on security guarantees will now work with the US
on those guarantees coordinating.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Markret who's the NATO Secretary General, says there's still more
negotiation to be done.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
First, we need to have full clarity collectively US, the
Europeans and the others in this correalation of dwelling on
what security guarantees will mean. And again it is really
a breakthrough that the US will get him. And then
again the level of involvement will now be discussed.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Hamas has agreed to release half the remaining hostages. If
Israel frees Palestinian prisoners and agrees to a sixty day
cease fire, Israel doesn't seem keen on the idea. Here's
an Al Jazeera reporter.

Speaker 17 (18:15):
We have just heard from Israel's defense minister who said
that Hamas is willing to come back to the negotiating
table only because Israel has now greenlit the plans to
occupy and take over Gaza's city.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And finally, a good Samaritan in Australia has saved a
woman's dry sheets from the rain. Woman was on her
way home when the rain started. Now this sounds inconsequential
to you, but you think about if this was you
and it was your sheets. Okay, So she was on
her way home and the rain started, and she thought, oh,
there he goes the washing. I've got sheets drying on
the clothes line in the front yard. They're going to
be drenched by the time I get home. But when
she got home, that didn't happen. The sheets were neatly

(18:50):
folded up and they were put in a dry spot
out of the rain. So the woman went and checked
her CCTV to try to figure out what happened, and
it was the posty who'd stopped by to drop off
a parcel while she was out.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
And the post he took her washing off the line
because it was raining.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
How's that a service? And the post he wasn't a woman,
the post he was a man, which is even better.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Murray old Osie correspondents with.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Us he mus and picking up on it's theme there.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
It's a far far better thing that post he did
than you'd ever done before.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Wow, you guys are wonderful and you know what's going
on right now? Is everybody younger than a generation exits going.
I don't know what they're talking. What do you think
they're talking?

Speaker 11 (19:37):
Read the book? It is one of the greatest books
in literature, isn't it. I I've read it ten times.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Okay, I've only got halfway through, but I'll go back
and find it and pick it up. It was a
challenge because I'm younger than a generation exit. Anyways, talk
to me about this big economic roundtable in Canberra. What
have we got from it?

Speaker 11 (19:55):
Well, just look today we had Look, it's a round
table business UNI Government, the community sector. It got in
away this morning, three days of all of this, and
first that was a presentation from the Governor of the
Reserve Bank, Michelle Bullock, and looks she emphasized the importance
heather of domestic measures to boost productivity, get the economy
ticking over again a lot more strongly, boosting living standards.

(20:19):
She spoke about global head wins. That was something that
the Treasurer Jim Charmers also spoke about his opening address,
International risks, particularly disruptions to global trade and sort of
dominated by Washington. But here's the thing, I mean, the
Prime Minister Anthony Ebernez, he says this, all the good
ideas to come out of this three day conference will

(20:39):
be embraced very quickly by the government. But the opposition
points out quite rightly that's going to be a bit
difficult because elbow's taken off the table, things like any
reform of the tax system at least at this point,
and there's no overhaul promised of industrial relations. So as
far as the oppositions concerned and business leaders do, say,
can you buddy well, cut red tape strangling and this stuff,

(21:01):
free up the economy a bit and watch us go.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
But elbow is he's going to squander this massive majority
he's got. That's the big fear of Ah.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
They always do, don't they. Hey, what do you make
of this blocking of the Israeli politician.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
Well, it's divided Australia, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
The Jewish community says, well, you know, how come, But
the government is not backing down.

Speaker 11 (21:22):
He's a far right member of the coalition that runs
Israel with Benjamin Yahu. His name is Simpcha Rothman. He is,
as I say, very hard right. He is spoken about,
for example, guards and children as enemies of Israel and
that was a step too far for the federal government.
It said that he's been banned from his speaking to

(21:42):
it Here the Australian Newspapers said has seen documents that
say Rothman's been banned for his comments that mentioned that
you know, the kids or enemies, but because his inflammatory
remarks quote could disrupt the Australian Muslim community.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Well, you know, maybe the case. The government hasn't mentioned that.

Speaker 11 (22:01):
But Tony Burke, the minister involved here, he's the Home
Affairs minister, said listen, this.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Guy is the right wing rat bag spouting nonsense. He's
not welcome mass.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Okay, tell me why you think this is a hideous palace.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Well, I'll just paint the picture.

Speaker 11 (22:17):
This was a beautiful piece of pristine bush south from Sydney,
a river on one side, trees and birds and koalas everywhere,
and it has all been stripped. Nearly four thousand plants,
six hundred mature trees, all gone, illegally gone because this
fella he's a developer. Now, look, there are good developers,

(22:38):
I understand, both of them are currently working nicely, but
the vast majority apparently are rat bags. This bloke, this bloke,
he wanted to put a six bedroom mansion on this thing.
How I guess are some of the inclusions. He wanted
a gym, a sauna, he wanted a man cave, a
popcorn bar, he wanted six a tenpin bowling alley, an
indoor basketball court, a library that included a floating quote

(23:03):
Hammock Island. I'd ask ant about that, a Hammock Island.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Bugget of mine o too.

Speaker 11 (23:08):
But in any event, not only did he not get
permission from council, he now is to pay back around
one hundred and ten thousand dollars and promised to replant
all these native plants and trees. The local people down
there who took this matter up with the council said,
are you kidding this guy spends that for lunch?

Speaker 4 (23:26):
What are you talking about? This lovely bit of boosh
that's home.

Speaker 11 (23:29):
To koalas and all the rest of it has gone
maybe forever, because how's this guy going to restore that
lovely piece of bush land. He did own the land,
but he'd been banned from clearing it and has had
the people before him who owned that same block of land.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Brilliant mosz thank you has always appreciated Murray Old's Australia Correspondent.
It is a neo classical style mention, very sort of
hmm yeah, it's ghosh. I love what he's got going
on inside with all the luxury, but the outside does
look quite crap, like he's got a lot of money

(24:04):
but not a lot of taste. Now listen, Yes, if
you're wondering, that is actually a photo of Chris Bishop
sleeping in his car. If you've seen it, it was him.
He has confirmed that was him. It's about it's not new,
it's about four or five years old. It's a photograph
of his car sign written on the side. It says
Chris Bishop whatever MP or whatever. And then if you
look in the in the in the driver's seat, you

(24:26):
will see a little human there seat lying back. And yes,
that is the distinctive profile of Chris Bishop having a kip,
head back, mouth open going for you just know it's
noisy in there at this minute, like he is with
mouth open, sleeping like that. There's a hectics and are
going on. Anyway, He says it was him having a
sleep at the airport before his flight. And even though

(24:47):
it was old, he is still a fan of the
power and app So there we go. Put that one
to bed. Now pun sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty, very so.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Persen your political correspondence with us. Now, how about good
afternoon hither so when Trevor says he's bringing when when
Winston says he's bringing Trevor home early, He's not really
is he?

Speaker 18 (25:06):
It's fascinating, isn't it. It's been a long time coming,
this one, I must say, because I remember when Winston
became Foreign Minister, he says about eighteen months ago, saying
to him, well when are you going to when are
you going to withdraw Trevor Mallard?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
What's he ever done to two and a half years ago?

Speaker 18 (25:24):
Bary No, No, he said he's eighteen months.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 18 (25:28):
Yeah, And there was no response really from Winston. He's
sort of celebrating the fact that Trevor Millard is coming back.
He says early Winston he seems to be claiming credit
for the early recall of Mallard.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
Have a listen, do you know that famous song cam
the Segars the Carnival's over. I have been my career
ensuring that when we had the match, they trained their
experience and it should not be a job for the
boys or the girls out of politics of a person,
nor my career. And soon I'll have created it the
third time. He's coming home and he's coming home early.

Speaker 8 (26:03):
It's a circus where.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Instead of looking at the national interest, you've got people
like Cindra doing appointing politicians two important jobs, and that should.

Speaker 8 (26:12):
Not be happening.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
If you've got people there are some sort of sinecure,
their performance will.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Never be able to spress.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
You train people, you give them decades of experience to
get into important jobs and all of a sudden, you
put a politician there with no training at all. It
was the wrong appointment. I cannot believe that the Senda
didn't send somebody like him.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
Out of the way.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
He behaved with respect to the protests out here, turning
up the noise, putting cold water over young cold at night.
This is a disgrace and you guys should have been
calling it out, not me.

Speaker 18 (26:39):
Well, we were calling it out, I must say.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
But you know the people he was talking to did
not call it out though, right he was talking to
the press gallery.

Speaker 18 (26:46):
Oh yes, indeed. Yeah. The two exceptions, though, You've got
to remember with Winston is that he has made political
appointments in the past. One was Brian Donnelly, who was
a former New Zealand first tempter who was appointed to
the cock Islands and he had a big association with
the cook so and he was very successful there, so

(27:07):
that was a good appointment. The other one, I don't
think anybody would have any arguments with that Winston made.
It was a political appointment very plainly. Was annit king
to Canberra Now he made that in twenty eighteen. But
when you look at Trevor Mallard, I mean, for goodness sake,
his handling of the protesters at Parliament that should have
should have been warning signs to anyone that this man

(27:30):
was not fit to be a diplomat. He got a
knighthel though, along with his best buddy sind Dern the
ambassador's job. The claim that he made that there was
a rapist at Parliament dragged.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
On so well. It was me that did the story.

Speaker 18 (27:46):
Yeah, and it was my big falling out with Trevor
Millard because he thought I should never have.

Speaker 8 (27:50):
Done the story.

Speaker 18 (27:51):
I mean, this man, to me just cut a swathe
in Parliament that should never have been cut, even though
he says he improved the behavior of parliament.

Speaker 10 (28:01):
Look at what we've got now.

Speaker 18 (28:03):
I mean, honestly, I think he's home well and truly
after time.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Nicholas pretty stoked about the credit rating thing, isn't she?

Speaker 18 (28:12):
And she should be two? I mean, you know New
Zealand getting a double A plus from Fitch, but it
follows on from other rating agencies as well, Moody's.

Speaker 10 (28:24):
We've got an a double A.

Speaker 18 (28:25):
There with standard and pause. We've going to double A plus,
the same as Pitch.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
So it is good.

Speaker 18 (28:32):
But the thing is that She's had to go at
Chris Hipkins on away in the debating chamber today for
what she says was playing down the level of debt
by saying that they have to fund infrastructure somehow and
playing down the interest bill to this country on it.

Speaker 19 (28:51):
Here she is this kind of fiscal enumeracy is dangerous
for New Zealand because the fact is that our debt
servicing costs are currently eight point nine billion dollars a year.
I want to put that number in some context for you.
I see that I am taking over the Prime Minister's microphones. However,
I'm just going to proceed and that was not intentional.

(29:13):
That is enough to pay for the annual operating costs
of the Defense Force, combined with the New Zealand Police,
combined with the Customs Agency, combined with the Corrections Agency,
combined with the Ministry of Justice. And yet what Chris
Hipkins is trying to gaslight New Zealand is about is
that debt servicing costs are not something we need to
worry about.

Speaker 20 (29:31):
I mean, is this just vintage National Party when they're
in a hole, and they're in a very big hole
at the moment, start throwing mud at the Labor Party.
That's what they do every time. But the reality is
their hole is getting deeper. They need to figure out
how to get themselves out of a hole without worrying
about other political parties.

Speaker 18 (29:46):
So when you go from there, you don't go anywhere.

Speaker 21 (29:48):
Really.

Speaker 18 (29:49):
But look, it is true that New Zealand's debt, the
government debt, isn't as high as it has been in
the past. I mean I remember back to even the
Jimbolgier period. I think we had a higher debt to
GDP ratio then. So you know, we we can handle
debt like this. And Hipkins is right in a way,

(30:11):
you've got to borrow money to pay for infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Oh yeah, what he buy us.

Speaker 18 (30:17):
I'm not saying he did that. I'm saying you know
that as a general, princes.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
That is the problem, Barry. It's that people have a
problem with this debt. Not so much necessarily because of
the debt situation. It's what we got for the debt,
which is bugger totally.

Speaker 18 (30:30):
You're talking the COVID debt.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
No, Chris Christ and his mate Chippy and Justin borrowed
a lot and bought bugger all.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
Yeah, and you would have heard.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, I'll deal with it. Next note, and you know
it was Rachel sand of the Gospel London. I'll explained.
I'll explain. Thank you Barry So for senior political correspondence.
Seven away from five, putting the.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

Speaker 22 (30:56):
Breakfast contacts him to be doing very nicely.

Speaker 15 (30:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 22 (30:58):
Net profits up forty one per seen. Mike Pouch is
the contact CEO, and we like successful companies. But your
net profits up forty one percent and everyone's going to go, yeah, well,
I know why that is because it can't of form
my power.

Speaker 15 (31:08):
Oh look no, look the profit staff and we can
reconcile it back. It's due to those projects that we've worked.

Speaker 23 (31:14):
Very hard on building.

Speaker 15 (31:15):
They're innovative, the GFRM or the base load they got.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
To the country.

Speaker 22 (31:19):
The electricity authority announced some sort of investigation of what's
going on your things?

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Tense spat investigation was prompted by the stress and the
gas market and gas are fine.

Speaker 15 (31:28):
We understand that.

Speaker 22 (31:29):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Four away from five. All right, this is what happened
with Nikola Willis. So, Nicola Willis walked onto the bridge
at Parliament today where all the government MPs do the
mini media conferences. You know, you'll see it on the
news all the time, and they do this every day
that the House is sitting, and it happened, including today.
And what happened is the media set up a bank
of microphones just for the Prime minister everybody else sort
of you know, jostles amount and stuff. Nicola Willis walked

(31:58):
up to the microphones and started talking and then he
came down and he had to and she realized she'd
nicked as Mike's and he had to stand over there
in the corner and do his little press conference, not
at the official place.

Speaker 19 (32:08):
I want to put that number in some context for you.
I see that I am taking over the Prime Minister's microphones. However,
I'm just going to proceed. And that was not intentional,
and she was.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Chill about it, like he didn't mean it, and he
was chill oboh, she didn't mean it. Everybody's really chill
about it. But the timing is really awkward because unfortunately
this has just happened after the polls for him would
show that he's not doing well in the whispers about
will Erica stand for takeover, he's got to go. And
then she's been in London. This is Nikola. She's been
visiting the New Zealand Society over there and they've been

(32:40):
whispering about how she's a Prime Minister in waiting and
it's all come back here and after all of that,
then you're standing at the Prime Minister's microphones just kind
of you know, people are finding it hard to accept
that might have been a mistake. Now I tend to
feel that that was just a mistake. She just came
down early, thought she would have cleared it by the
time that he came down. Was what it looks like.
And Rachel Glucina's involvement is that she is the president

(33:03):
of the New Zealand Society. Oh, how we miss Rachel
Glucina stirring trouble for us. A there she is again, right,
We're off to the US again. Find out what's going
on there. News logs have been.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
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Speaker 3 (33:25):
And give the analysis. Here the duplicy el and Drive.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
With one New Zealand And the power of satellite mobile
newswks that be.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Afternoon following that big White House meeting overnight. It looks
like the next step could be Zelenski and Putin meeting
face to face in the next fortnight. Trump says it's
full steam ahead to bring peace to Ukraine.

Speaker 24 (33:45):
We'll see in a certain period of time, not very
far from now, a week or two weeks, we're going
to know whether or not we're going to solve this
or is this horrible fighting and to continue. We'll do
the best to get it ended.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Doctor m Adams is a professor of US foreign policy
at America and University out of Washington, d C. High Gordon, Hi,
are you hopeful that what we saw today may in
fact be a step towards ending the fighting.

Speaker 23 (34:13):
It's not clear to me that it will.

Speaker 25 (34:16):
There's an awful lot of things being discussed, but nothing
is truly settled. Perhaps the only change that's really happened
between Alaska and Washington, d C. Today is that the
President stepped firmly away from a ceasefire and is prepared
to allow the negotiations to go towards some kind of
peace agreement. But nobody truly knows how long that is

(34:38):
going to take. Almost nothing is fully settled right now,
so any set of issues that you deal with in
this long lasting war is still up in the air,
and the fighting continues with the president having stepped away
from a ceasefire.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Given though how much we've watched, you know, in Alaska
and here in the White House, doesn't Trump have to
deliver or he'll be humiliated?

Speaker 25 (35:01):
Yes, but it's not clear that he can because by
stepping away from a ceasefire, he has effectively put himself
behind Putin's position. You know, Putin was the one who said,
we're not going to do a ceasefire, we'll do a
peace agreement. And that's been clearly for Putin, a step
away from any agreement because as long as he feels
the Russian troops are making small advances, there's no incentive

(35:24):
for him to stop firing, and really no incentive for
a peace agreement at this point. The incentives on the
Russian side are quite weak. We're dealing here, too, with
a transactional chief executive in the American government. You know,
hang onto your seat belt if you want to know
what's coming next, because the changeability of this particular president

(35:47):
is rampant, which means tomorrow it could be a different
approach altogether from the one.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
That was making sense today.

Speaker 25 (35:53):
He's quite good dealing one on one or in small
groups with people where he's bouncing back and forth between
what they're saying and how he responds in the moment,
but it's not a president with a strategy, so it's
not clear where he will go next and when he
shifts position. It makes it doubly hard for any of
the other players, the Europeans or the Ukrainians to adjust

(36:18):
and cope and deal. None of the issues that stood
between Russia and Ukraine have been settled as of yet,
none of them.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
It seems to me that apart from, you know, the
borders and how much land has to be given up,
the sticking point may in fact be what a security
agreement looks like. So what does a security agreement look
like for Ukraine that Putin's going to be okay with.

Speaker 25 (36:38):
That is one of the things that is obviously for
the Ukrainians the key area. It's what Selensky has asked
for repeatedly in the years that these discussions have been
going on, and it's very clear that a huge gap
separates the Russians from the Ukrainians on a deal with
respect to security guarantees. The Russians have made it very

(36:59):
very clear that they do not want any option for
Ukrainian membership in NATO, and they do not want any European,
non Ukrainian troops in Ukraine providing that security guarantee. And
I can assure you that this president is unlikely to
provide American troops as a security guarantee. So from the

(37:19):
Ukrainian perspective, it's not clear what is going to make
them happy if they give up the territory that they
now control that the Russians want. They are effectively abandoning
defenses that work pretty well for them in terms of
staying a Russian advance and the rest of the Ukrainian
planes wheat planes are open for the Russians to start

(37:40):
up again at some other point in time. So this
is the security guarantee issue is the core issue now
in this disagreement. It seems like Ukrainians would be willing
to seed some land, probably the land that the Russians
now occupy, but not the remainder of the DNBAS. And
they want some troop presence, not just words from NATO

(38:05):
and from the United States in the form of a
security guarantee. NATO is unlikely to be able to put
troops there, and the United States, particularly this president, are
unlikely to make anything like an article faith commitment. If
you're attack will come at your defense, all right.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Gordon, thanks very much appreciated, Doctor Gordon Adams, Professor of
US Foreign Policy at American University.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Heather doul We have got new rules.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
That are being touted as bringing down our power bills.
They're going to force the electricity gent tailors to sell
power to their retail arms at the same rate that
they sell power to everyone else, bringing basically banning discounts
to themselves. Simon Watts is the energy minister, hime.

Speaker 8 (38:40):
Minister good a here, how are you?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I'm well, thank you. Won't this actually make the power
that they provide more expensive because they're charging themselves more.

Speaker 26 (38:49):
No, the purpose of the changes is to mean that
when they they aren't going to be able to sell
it to themselves at a cheaper rate than what they
provide it to other independent players. What we've heard from
you know, a number of participants in the market is
that you know the fact that these big gent tailors
can in effect cross subsidized themselves, means that the smaller

(39:10):
players aren't getting a fair deal. These rules will stop
them doing that and as a result we'll see more competition,
and more competition in the market means downward pressure on prices,
which is a major driver of cost of living at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
This announcement today, this this come about as a result
of that meeting last night.

Speaker 8 (39:27):
We've had a number of discussions.

Speaker 26 (39:30):
Actually, as Minister I announced that we're going to do
this work probably four weeks into my role, and as
a result of announcements today we're basically doing it.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
So you know, it's an important step.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Ignored My question as if I didn't ask, no I did.
Is this announcement today as a result of the meeting
last night? Did you talk about it at the meeting
last night?

Speaker 8 (39:49):
Well, I have a lot of meetings. I'm at Parliamental tenet.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Ignoring mister yeah, now listen, I mean, I you know whatever,
This is fine that you made this announcement. This is
not going to fix the electricity market. If you're having
meetings like the one you had last night, where's the
actual plan. We're two winters in with you guys, it.

Speaker 26 (40:06):
Is important that we take the steps that we're taking
around improving competition and particularly around the gen Taylor's. We
said we were going to do that, and what we're
doing today is a become on.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
But Simon, you know, and I appreciate that you're making
an effort, but you know and I know that you're
tinkering here, right. You need to do something massive to
fix the electricity market. Where is that plan?

Speaker 8 (40:28):
So that plan is currently being considered by cabinet and
will we make it?

Speaker 9 (40:32):
This?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Is it being considered? Is it really being considered by cabinet?

Speaker 8 (40:37):
It is going to be considered in the coming week.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Hold on, is it dinner or is it because you
said to me before, it is being considered by cabinet?
It is not being considered by cabinet? Is it?

Speaker 8 (40:48):
It will be considered by cabinet?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yes, Okay, how long is it going to take you
to come You haven't got a plan at the minute,
so how long is it going to take you to
come up with this plan?

Speaker 26 (40:56):
We're currently working through the plan and the decision and
cabinet will consider that in short order. And as I've
said previously, I expect to make announcements of that in September.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
My frustration about this is Simon that what is going
on with electricity and energy in this country is one
of the biggest problems that we are facing, to the
point of it being a crisis. We are two winters
in with you guys, and we're about to go into
a third in a few months time, and there is
no plan. So are you going to have a plan
for something as big as this before we go into
the next winter with you?

Speaker 26 (41:27):
We're currently working on a plan to deal with the
root cause issues that we're facing in the energy market,
and will we have it before very Yes, we will
have that before next winter because we're working through that.
But as you know, this is a complex and challenging area.
I know that people want this yesterday, but we are
working through it very methodically to make sure that we

(41:47):
get it right. If we do something, we need to
make sure it deliversy outcomes that have been identified, and
that is a major focus and priority for me.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I think you're being unfair saying we wanted it yesterday.
This is the second winter with you guys. Like you guys,
it's not I mean, I don't think that that people
asking for a plan now, is being unreasonable? I think
probably your delays have been unreasonable, don't.

Speaker 26 (42:08):
You think I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it's
to acknowledge the fact that actually the solutions to the
problems are complex and are challenging, and so we've got
to work through that in a thoughtful manner.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
But you know what you've got. You commissioned here's the problem.
You commissioned the Frontier report. You have got the Frontier
Report sitting on your desk. It has been on your
desk for months, and you've done nothing with it. So
when's that coming out?

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (42:31):
No, I don't agree that we've done nothing with it.

Speaker 26 (42:32):
We're working through how you would turn those recommendations into
an implementation plan to actually action and be sure that
that will derive the outcomes. That takes time and it
takes a number of experts.

Speaker 8 (42:44):
To be able to work through that.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
When is that report's coming out?

Speaker 26 (42:47):
We'll be publishing that when we make announcements following Cabinet's decision,
which I expect will be in September.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Excellent. Hey, thank you very much, Simon. I appreciate your time.
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Whether I think it's you that's being unreasonable. Getting pussy
about timing isn't helpful. Well, Travis, tell that to the

(43:58):
businesses who are folding because they can't afford gas right now, anyway,
we'll come back to that in a tick. This, by
the way, listen to this. This sounds like Gareth Morgan,
doesn't It.

Speaker 27 (44:06):
Banks On in the business of growing your wealth. They're
in the business of growing their own. Stop playing their game.
I've teamed up with a US investment group to focus
on world opportunities on the US market.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's not Gareth Morgan. It's deep fake Gareth Morgan. That
is so good. It sounded like Gareth Morgan that even
he thought it was himself. The only reason that he
knew it wasn't him was because he didn't recognize the
building he was apparently standing in front of. He's going
to be with us after the news in about ten
minutes time. On that now listen, this will blow your
mind potentially at how ridiculous government departments are with spending money.

(44:40):
So Brook van Valden is the minister who is in
charge of internal affairs, right she wanted Internal Affairs to
change its logo to put the English name above the
Marty name. At the moment, what it is. On the
left you've got the crest and then on the right
you've got the two names Marty on top, English at
the bottom, And she just wanted them to switch them
so the English was at the top and the and
it wasn't You wouldn't have to change any signage outside

(45:01):
buildings or any printed letter heads on paper, nothing like that.
This was just for digital use. It was just going
to be on social media, on the website, on emails,
that kind of thing. Staff estimated that switching the names
would require at least fifty hours of staff time and
potentially the use of external consultants or resources. The Minister

(45:23):
looked at that and guffought as she should, and pushed
back on the suggestion. She said, I could do this
myself on Photoshop for net zero for near zero cost.
So staff went away and thought about it again, and
then they did it for the external cost of seven
hundred and forty one dollars plus GST. So when the
end it cost US eight hundred and fifty two dollars
fifteen I don't quite know. Why they had to get

(45:45):
somebody externally to do it, because it literally you could
just open your yet. You remember paint, You just open
paint and then you get that one that you the
one that makes the square and you and you go copy,
and then you move it to the top, and then
you get the bottom one. You make the square around,
you go copy, you move it to the put it
in the place, and bring the other one back. Done
costume nothing. So why they had to get somebody externally

(46:06):
to do it, I don't know. But there you go
fifty hours. That's how profligate they are with your money.
Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicl and
Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Like no one else newth talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Be ah five twenty five. Listen, I'm starting to feel
like power is the new supermarket, say exactly, Like the
government has banged on about how the supermarkets are ripping
us off and they're not done anything about it. They've
been banging on about the electricity situation, but they haven't
yet done anything about it. So today we just talked
about it. We had the announcement that the gent tailors
will have to sell the power from their generation departments
to their retail departments at the same price that the

(46:43):
seller to the smaller retailers, so that the smaller retailers
have can compete fairly and have a level playing field.
Now that's nice. I don't have problem with that. If
it works. I'm not sure it's going to work. But
if it works, it's only tinkering. Maybe it'll save us
a few dollars every month. That's I'm not dealing with
the actual problem. That we've got a few dollars every
month's not a problem when you think about what is

(47:05):
actually going on. The actual problem is balance. Agriculture is
going to have to shut down for four months if
they can't find a new gas contract because Contact Energy
bought their contract. Meth and X has to shut down
every winter now so that we have enough gas for everyone.
Pulp mills have shut a paper recycled mill has shut
A massive tomato grower is considering shutting down parts of
its business. That's just to name a few. This is

(47:26):
happening all over the country right now. The country is
de industrializing and losing huge amounts of minute money, possibly
into billions. Now, we probably use the crisis a little
bit too much at the moment, but I think this
is an actual crisis. Where's the plan when the government's
got a report sitting on the desk, have had it
for weeks. They had a meeting up in the Beehive
with the Energy Minister and the Finance Minister and the

(47:46):
Prime Ministan Shane Jones last night. But they've got no plan.
And I know they've got no plan because I've been
told by people who know things they have got no plan.
We're in the second winter with the coalition government. They
had better come up with the plan before next winter,
otherwise it's just going to be another case of us
starting to see, just like with the supermarkets, through all
of this hot air and lack of action.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Heather du for the Ellen.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Heather, it is pretty funny that the energy minister is
called watts given that we need more watts. That is great.
If ants ever there was a time to play that noise,
thank you there it is. We got this right. Oh,
we're going to talk to Gareth Morgan after the headlines
which are coming up at us, and also I'm going
to have to get you through the reasons why we
believe that Taylor Swift is going to be the one
playing at the Super Bowl. I know I can't wait

(48:31):
to hear that. One News is next.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather du for
they Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the Power
of Satellite Mobile News Talk said, are you.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Aware to.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
That interview with Simon wats is exactly why we're also
disappointed in National They talk a good fites, but they
don't address the real issues. Tinkering is so correct. Listen,
we're on the subject of the electricity market. We're gonna
have a chat to Mercury Energy. After six they've had
a bit of a rough year. They're operating profits down
on what it was last year. They're still pretty pretty
confident about the future, but at the minute not seeing it.

(49:27):
And we've also got the Huddle standing by right now.
It's twenty four away from six now. AI deep fakes
apparently getting so real that they're even starting to trick
the people they're supposed to be imitating. Gareth Morgan is
the latest target of one of these scams. In this video,
he's asking Keywis to invest in a dodgy US investment scheme.

Speaker 27 (49:45):
Banks on in the business of growing your wealth. They're
in the business of growing their own Stop playing their game.
I've teamed up with a US investment group, so focus
on world opportunities on the US market.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Gareth is with us. Now, Hey, Gareth, hell are you?
It's pretty good? It's pretty good.

Speaker 15 (50:00):
Eh, it's awesome.

Speaker 21 (50:02):
Like I'm in the video, it's just unbelievable. I just
I've watched it two or three times now and I
can't believe me.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
You can't believe is there No, I haven't watched it.
Is there no giveaway, like, there's no kind of like
ulipping or anything like that. It's just legitimate.

Speaker 21 (50:17):
The only giveaway is the backdrop is I don't recognize
the house behind behind me. But everything else like that,
you know, obviously, the face, the lip movement, the voice, obviously.
I mean I can't tell.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, interesting, have you have you run it past Joe
or any of the kids.

Speaker 21 (50:37):
I haven't actually asked Jane what she thinks of it,
but yeah, that's a good.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Idea, unfailingly blunt, and she'll tell you what she really thinks.

Speaker 21 (50:45):
Oh yeah, no, I know. It's the embarrassing because it
was one of it.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Was it your daughter who spotted it first?

Speaker 21 (50:51):
Yeah, one of the daughters that really rang up five
of them. I know she tested me for Hey Dad,
have you seen this? But what she saw was the
written words. She didn't see the video that came to matter.
So she just saw the Facebook post and it was
an ad actually, and it's come out of the UK
when you trace it back. But you know, I've been

(51:11):
to Facebook a few times and as them to take
it down, blah blah. But of course you don't get
a human being. You just get a dialogue box to
throw out and off it goes. You don't even get
an acknowledgment that you've sent it, so you're completely powerless.
You can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
It just goes into this giant hole where every complaint
into Facebook goes and they never do anything about it.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
No.

Speaker 21 (51:34):
Well, I mean they're more powerful in countries, so an
individual's not going to be able to stop anything.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Heather, how do we get around the scareth If we've
got deep fake videos that are even convincing the people
that they are of, how do the rest of us
know that we can't trust it?

Speaker 21 (51:50):
Well, you know, I would have thought by now that
with these sort of social media Twitter and Facebook, and
that people will realize that, you know, there's so much
false stuff on them that they're not worth bothering. When
and you know that's what we normally do, don't we
self censor? They said, well, that's just crap, so we

(52:11):
go somewhere else. But I think that, on the other hand,
the draw card of having all your friends there being
able to chat back and forth so powerful that people
just turn a blind eye to, so it's not self censoring,
you know. I think that's that's the issue. I mean,
it reminds me actually the early days of trade Me,
when we did trade me way back then and people

(52:34):
started complaining, hey, this guy's taking my money and you know,
the goods are fake and all the rest of it.
And how trade Me got round it in the end
was having that star system, you know, where you rank
each other, the buyers and sellers, and that's that is
self regulating. But Facebook doesn't have that, you see, and
has nothing like that, so it just lets it work.

(52:54):
And you know, you read that book by that New
Zealand lady who was when Williams an awesome mock by
the way, I mean, she really gave you a window
into the culture of the highest cechelons, which is they
don't care because we're you know, we're so powerful, no
one can stop us sort of thing. So it's pretty scary.
But boy, I'm impressed by the power of AI.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Isn't it brilliant? Yeah? Gareth, thank you very much. You
look after yourself. Thanks for the reading recommendation. It's Gareth Morgan,
investment manager, former economists and obviously dadded the Trade Me
founder twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
For you on the huddles Me This evening, Mark Sainsbury
broadcast the Stuart Nash, Robert Walter's former Labor Party minister.
Hell are you too goody?

Speaker 15 (53:38):
Well, I'm an AI version of myself, of course, a
better version or a worse version.

Speaker 12 (53:45):
Well be.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Some more sober. Actually, you're sober nowadays, aren't you saying?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Zo?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
What's that you're completely sober nowadays?

Speaker 15 (53:56):
Or when I'm on the raided? No, no, no, I
did cut back at some I dropped a bit. It
was on blood pressure meds and stuff and running men's
health WAK. It was a great look so. Yeah, so
that was the big thing and doctor said the biggest
thing and I'm off off the meds. But they said
the biggest change is just cutting back on the grove.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, I still like a drink, Oh who doesn't.

Speaker 15 (54:18):
But instead, you know, but it'd be a couple of
days a.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Week maybe, yeah, yep, yep. And this is why you've
You've got the body of a twenty year old now
saying so on the street looks great now, Stu, how
do you feel about your boy Trevor coming back from Ireland?

Speaker 12 (54:32):
Well, look, I agree with Winston on this one. You
got these politicians that are incredibly experienced and built a
career around diploma see how to how to deal with
different governments, ministers, politicians, et cetera, et cetera. And it
must be slightly disempowering when when some politician, like especially
like Trevor, ends up with a plumb position like this.
I mean, Winston's right give the ambassadorial positions to the

(54:55):
men and women who are experts at their training because
it's so important for a country like New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah totally, and say, I mean I can't think of
an example a better example of these jobs being treated
as a sinecure than than Treva Mallard because he had
none of the skills required to be a diplomat and
he'd embarrassed himself hugely before he went.

Speaker 15 (55:13):
Over, which is why the strangest thing about all of
this is why Winston didn't replace them straight away. I
think part of person is a just theory. Trevor's partner,
Jane Clifton, an amazing woman Winston really likes. Jane has
always had a really soft spot for proper way, of course,

(55:34):
I think that's the only explanation I could think as
to why, because I was expecting, basically the day after
the election, that is going to be the fairst thing.
You know, we'll get the.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Right I think. I think for the sake of Jane Clifton,
Winston has I think you might be onto something. I
think he has left Trevor there so as not to
disrupt her life, and he's been over the kind sight
of him.

Speaker 8 (55:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (55:55):
But the other thing, also, you know, there's rooms going
around that Winter is going to stand down and become
the ambassador in the United States of America. Nothing could
be further from the truth, and that Winston themselves says,
you know, why would I want to report to someone
like me? So you know you can dispel those rumors.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Now, no, hold on, ste Wasn't it the case that
he was going to stand down so that you could
take his job?

Speaker 12 (56:14):
Well, that's it? No, No, The next lead of Zelm
first is Shane Jones. I'm I'm unequivalent about that. That
is that guy. He filled a hall of four hundred
people in Upper Heart. Now that that's core labor territory
and they are going you know what we're after a
man who speaks common sense, pragmatic policies and as a
politician that represents all of Zilms and it's fucking Zell's first.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
Just fair?

Speaker 15 (56:34):
Does that mean you're putting your hand up for the
mbase of his job?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Well? And what is the job that you do at
New Zealand first? And are you the deputy leader? Are you?

Speaker 7 (56:45):
No?

Speaker 12 (56:45):
No, No, I'm just a good hard work and key
with it. Houston politics that the politics of pregnatism and
then the part that resonates at the moment in your
degree Mark is kind of New Zealand first. I mean,
you know you've got James are going around talking about
you know, jobs over snails most most New Zealand's got
are you right? Makes sense to me? And then you've
got you got some well that's.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Oh you can't hear it, stupid your phone's cutting out.
I think that's that's Winston calling you to say thank
you for all the comments you make and we'll take
a break and come back and we're going to shut
them up at New Zealand. Fore we're on a ban
after this. Seventeen away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the Ones
for Unmasked Results.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Stewart Nash Saneso.
So are you starting to feel after what you saw
in the White House overnight like maybe there's a chance
for peace in Ukraine?

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Or no?

Speaker 15 (57:33):
Oh look, you know I'd sort of wean myself off
off Trumps because every day there's another issue but this one,
and I watched all those stuff from it, and you
just hope that something is going to happen. Your problem
is you still cut this major? I mean, how are
they going to do a deal, as Donald says, for

(57:54):
the Ukraine to give up Land. It's just not tenable.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
Look at it, So are you.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
So they have to give up land, they just have
to Well, it.

Speaker 15 (58:03):
Depends how much they give up. They give up what
they've taken, Russia wants more and the other thing this
comes back to, and this, this is prease secal. The
European leaders get involved. This is a disgrace. Since when
did we countenance one country invading another?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Well this happens, Yeah, yeah, so's I agree with you.
But do we live in an idealistic world or do
we live in reality where unfortunately he's taken it? And
what else can you do to end the situation? What
else can you do?

Speaker 15 (58:30):
Well, you put what they should do is they should
put the sanctions back on Russia. That's the only thing
that prudent responds to you, you.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Know, yeah, what do you say?

Speaker 15 (58:37):
Look at least the language. What was interesting in that
fact that meeting in Alaska, when you'd think he'd be
so desperate to announce a deal when he when he said, look,
I'm going to confer with the Ukrainian president, I'm going
to further European leaders. And I think even the commentators
in the States were stunned. They're expecting Trump to do
something to be some stunt and thought, oh, this sounds

(58:59):
like a reasonable, can sided person. So that's just fingers crossed.
I'm feeling a little bit more confident.

Speaker 12 (59:05):
Look, it's it's a very very dangerous precedent when you've
got the President of the United States of America saying
to bad did you let him keep some land? Don't
join NATO and everything will be okay? I mean, goodness me,
the last time we had a piacement like this, what
was it, Nevill Chamberlain, peace in our time? It doesn't
work out. Well, I'm with you here the win. Did

(59:26):
we countenance one country being okay for one country to
invade another?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
No good, you're saying. So I'm saying we have to
do this, do you because there is no other way. Look,
it seems to me you've got two options here, right.
You either give Ukraine everything it needs to fight this
wall properly, give them the boots on the ground, give
them all the weapons, give them the fighter jets, get
them everything, just like load them up to the gunwales

(59:52):
and let them fight hard. Or you settle and you
give the guy the.

Speaker 12 (59:55):
Landing you put So you've got two crazy guys You've
got putin who you know, it's not out of the
realms possibility he'll use some form of technical nuclear weapon
if it gets really, really douty like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, you are right.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
I mean, and you know, do we go for compromise,
but compromise so whatever you do, it's it's a very
bad person. You compromise Putin's one because he's got crimea
Zelenski will never join NATO and he's won. Or you
give them everything needed to go hard. I just think
that the sight of Donald Trump praising Vladimir Putin was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I just didn't think it was basically means.

Speaker 15 (01:00:35):
Why Russia's got a smaller economy than Spain. You know,
it's not like the sort of massive sort of juggeraal.
I mean, what they means to get away with is
just just someone needs to call into account silvery role
for us sitting here on the safety of New Zealand
of course to say this, but yeah, I just think
and I've always been frustrated hither the fact that you know,

(01:00:57):
if the Meeric was vacillating, then the European is needed
to have stepped up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Ye you know, yep, now the Europeans trust frustrate me.
No end okay, saying so, actually I'll start with you
on this. I'm going to give you a bit of
an easy go here, stude. Do you know what a
trad wife is?

Speaker 15 (01:01:11):
Well, that's here.

Speaker 12 (01:01:13):
No, No, I don't think there's such a thing. I
mean I didn't until I looked it up. There's no
such thing. It's talks about a traditional wife who cooks,
cleans and does everything else that a traditional wife once
said two generations ago. Well do they exist?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Do you want me to come over there and punch
you right now?

Speaker 12 (01:01:28):
You know it's a genuine question we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
We do that, but then we do our day jobs
as well.

Speaker 12 (01:01:35):
No, look, I celebrate my wife. She goes out there,
she works full times, she looks after the kids. She
does a bloody brilliant job, and I think she'd be
brought out of her mind off. All she did was cook,
clean and put and post on social media, which apparently
is what trad wives do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
No, Yeah, they do exist. I saw a couple of
them on Ponsonby Road today. Okay, so.

Speaker 15 (01:01:54):
You are tread wafers, but it's a subservient thing. You
watch some of these YouTube did they do? And it's
sort of you know, Oh my god, you know, I
think is this how Barry lives? He just live in
the dream? You know, No, totally the trade wife thing.
It's it's very very us It seems very very religious
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I don't think it is. No, what it is is
just absolute unbelievable laziness. You just you just marry yourself
a really rich guy and then stay at home pretending
you're baking the sourdough, but actually you just buy it.
And do you know, says or what scibbity is now?

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
I did not until I looked at up go on there,
what's that? It's become a sort of a term of well,
it can be a variety of things, but it's almost
like a joke. It's something silly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yes, okay, that's not a really good definition. Thank you
very much, guys. I appreciate your attempts at it anyway.
Mark Sainsbury broadcast the Stuart Nash Robert Walters also a
former Labor Party minister. A trad wipe these by the way,
if you're like, well they're talking about these are the
words that have been added to the Cambridge Dictionary this year.
A tradwife is obviously somebody who's playing a traditional wife's role.
You know, you do all the home stuff and just

(01:03:01):
lounge about a house lounged about because once you've done
all the chores, there's nothing else to do. Obviously. Skibbitity
is defined as a word that can have different meanings
such as cool or bad, like oh, look, those genes
are real skibbity, or you can just use it in
a random way like what the skibbity are you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:03:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I know it's kid's trying to be cool. De Lulu
that's my favorite of the words that have been added,
which is basically a play on the world word delusional.
So if you think that tradwives are doing nothing during
the day, you'll de lulu. Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Here the re Ukraine. I really really wish that you
would educate yourself. Fancy saying Ukraine must give up territory.
They will beat Russia, i e. Win both on the
battlefield and stuff their economy. You crane, cannot give up
territory for a number of reasons. Please school yourself on this. Okay,
thank you, Trevor. Unfortunately Ukraine doesn't actually get a say.
That's the unfortunate thing for Ukraine because they rely on
everybody else to give them the weapons and help them out.

(01:04:01):
And as long as those people are getting bored of it,
which they are, Ukraine unfortunately will probably have to settle
by giving up a piece of their land, don't you think?
Five away from six now? I was telling you yesterday
that Grant Robertson, that Grant Robinson and Justin to both
clearly really dislike David Cunliff, given that they I'd been
told they've both trashed him in their memoirs. Well, the

(01:04:21):
newsroom has just published an excerpt of Grant Robinson's memoir
but where he trashes David canliv it's still actually as
bad as I thought it was going to be. I'll
read it to you, says David Cunliff. This was in
the twenty fourteen election campaign. Remember when David Cunliff was
the leader of the Labor Party. David Cunliff had a
habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Most famously
in this campaign it was his comment that he was

(01:04:42):
sorry for being a man. He also found numerous ways
to lose focus on his message. His behavior was erratic
as well. I was undertaking visits with him in christ Church.
He and I were doing a lunch event with the
local business community. It was classic David. He spoke well
and cogently to a less than friendly audience. When we
got to question to a question time, he seemed distracted.
At one point a question was put to me as

(01:05:04):
the economic development spokesperson. David excused himself saying he needed
to take a phone call and he never came back,
which is pretty weird. I answered a couple more questions
before the host calls called the whole thing off. I
went outside to find David in his car. His press
secretary was standing outside and gave me a pained look.
I'd had enough and left him to it. On election night,
Labour slumped to its worst results since nineteen twenty two,

(01:05:26):
with twenty four percent of the vote. You could not
have known it from David's speech that night. It was
as if he had grabbed the wrong speech on the
way out the door and was doing his victory one,
not his concession. It was embarrassing. It's not that bad,
I mean, and this is the guys, come on, if
you're going to trash somebody in your memoir, trash them properly.
Apparently the lawyers had to go over that. That's what

(01:05:47):
were the lawyers looking like. He's mean to David. Oh, well,
that's not really that. That's not sexy. I don't want
to buy the memoir for a stink story like that. Anyway.
It's ocr day tomorrow. This is something that we're all
obviously interested in. So Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economist, will
be with us after half passis and run us through
what he's We obviously know there's going to be a basis,
a twenty five basis point cart it's really what else

(01:06:10):
we are expecting from that and where we bot him out.
He's going to be with us after half past six.
Stu Hamilton of Mercury Energy is with us straight after
the news to talk to us about what he makes
of this business, the new rules for the gen Taylor's
News Talks.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Even in coming up in the next hour Jamie McKay
on whether the government will actually bring back live exports,
pulled Blocksham on the OCI and then what comes after
tomorrow and of course and the Brady will do the
UK for us. Right now, it's seven past six now.
Been a bit of a tough year for Mercury Energy.
The company has released its full year result today and
its operating profit with seven hundred and eighty six million dollars,
which is down ninety one million from the previous year,

(01:07:21):
but that pretty upbeat for the near future, predicting a
billion dollar operating profit for the current financial year. Ste
Hamilton is the chief executive and with us now, hey Stu, hey, Heather,
how are you well? Thanks very much? Why the drop
in profitability. It's been a.

Speaker 28 (01:07:37):
Really tough last twelve months, really, particularly because it's been
the driest on record for us.

Speaker 8 (01:07:42):
So when you look at a lot.

Speaker 28 (01:07:43):
Of our electricity generation comes out of hydro off the
Waykatta River. When we have a very dry period, it
means that it's really tough for us to produce electricity
and that obviously has an impact all the way through
to customers. Both large businesses and New Zealand households, and
so we're working pretty hard to try and improve and
build that confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
And so why so confident that it's going to improve
in this financial year.

Speaker 28 (01:08:07):
So we're investing heavily and new power plants, So we're
investing about one billion dollars in new power plants at
the moment. That's from the top of the North to
the bottom of the South, and wind farms and also
GFRM or so we see the significant pace of build
coming on stream and that's going to be good for
New Zealand in terms of providing an affordable and secure
gred as we go forward.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
How much new generation are you building at the moment?

Speaker 28 (01:08:30):
It's about one tier whatar hour, which to convert that,
it's about one hundred and fifty thousand homes equivalent and
it's about two percent of New Zealand's grid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Okay, now, how do you feel about these new rules
we got from the Electricity Authority today?

Speaker 28 (01:08:43):
Yeah, there are some components of it which are we
supportive of. We certainly support having more transparency in the prices,
but it's also important to understand that the market that
we have is actually globally very competitive. We're consistently in
the top five to seven in the world, and we
have about ifty retail brands and so that's double what
you see in the UK. So our take on it

(01:09:04):
is that there is good retail competition, can it be better?

Speaker 8 (01:09:08):
Use it can?

Speaker 28 (01:09:08):
And we're keen to support the work that the EA
ANDCOMM are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Do you think that it's actually going to drive down
the price of electricity or drive it up? Because I mean,
it seems to me if gentailers are having to sell
their power at a higher rate to themselves, then it
should actually push the electricity price up, shouldn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:09:25):
Yeah, our take on it is that the integrated nature
of our businesses actually create quite a lot of synergies
that support things like the build rate, and so we
need to come back to work out what's the problem
we're actually trying to solve when you' yander, and the
problem is we just don't have enough energy at the moment,
so we need to build more power plants and the
best way to do that is to use the generators

(01:09:46):
that we have to actually make sure we're building it
pace so we can actually ultimately bring those prices down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Is it possible that the government is dithering on this
in order to give you guys the opportunity to get
that building going so that they don't actually have to intervene.

Speaker 8 (01:10:01):
I guess.

Speaker 28 (01:10:01):
I mean, there's different perspectives on this, right, but what
we can control is the rate that we're building at,
so we're building at pace, and the other thing that
we're doing is working across the sector to look at
One thing is to make sure we've got the power.
The other is to have it when you need it.
And that's the work which we've actually been doing with
the likes of Huntly over the last few months.

Speaker 23 (01:10:19):
To actually work out how we provide this.

Speaker 28 (01:10:21):
Form of firming so that when the rain's not falling
and the wind's not blowing, that we actually have some
form of power there to provide it through to households
into businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
What's your advice to residential gas customers. I mean, if
somebody is on gas at the minute, because you're an
expert on it, basically you're involved in it. If somebody's
on gas, if they're running their heater through gas, should
they be thinking about with the government talking about potentially
rational and gas, should we be thinking about switching to electricity.

Speaker 28 (01:10:46):
Yes, definitely, but the issue is where people can afford
to do that. So there's definitely a strong drive at
the moment. Prices of gas are likely to keep going
up as the supply comes down, and so fundamentally the
right thing to be doing is to be switching to
electricity or away from fossil fuels in general. That the
challenge for many is how we actually go about supporting
that transition to electrification. That's easiest when new houses are

(01:11:10):
being built, but certainly something we're looking at to support
those that need to transition for houses that are currently there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Interesting stuff. Hey, thanks to you, Stu Hamilton, Mercury Energy
chief Executive. It's coming up to our pas SAX.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Heather Duples al So they're just kind of awkward.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Over the weekend, the BBC reported that one of the
women who was medivacd from Gaza to Italy died because
of malnutrition. They've now had to admit she actually had
cancer now as she had leukemia to be specific. Now,
to be fair to the BBC, they say that they
didn't know that she had cancer until the Israeli authorities
informed them that she had had cancer. Once the story

(01:11:43):
had been published and we pushed out on the social
media and stuff like that. But this is a problem
for the media. I think that there's a reasonable expectation
from people that the media does research. If it's going
to print that somebody has died of malnutrition, just do
a basic series of questions to ask whether they had
anything else that was going on there that might have

(01:12:03):
been the thing that killed them, or might have been
the thing that whatever whatever. I'm not saying that the
cancer killed her. I am simply saying that you have
to paint a full picture, because otherwise what happens is
this kind of stuff then emerges and they're knocks confidence
in the media. And I think this is part of
the really you will not believe this. Every single time
we talk about Gaza on the show, we get like
a series of texts from people who simply do not

(01:12:25):
believe the story is coming out of Gaza. Do not
believe it. It's Hamas propaganda, it's Israel propaganda, blah blah blah.
Stuff like this just absolutely assures them that they are
on the money and makes people not believe the media.
So it's a pity that the BBC has been caught
out after The New York Times was caught out thirteen
plus six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
A little update on the Marakoppa situation, you know, with
the dad and the kids that have disappeared the police.
There's been an appeal from his family today and the
police have now said that they're open to negotiating with
him to try to get the kids out of hiding.
And this will be because he's facing charges right, various charges,
and so the assumption there, I guess you would assume
that what they wanted to do, what they're prepared to do,

(01:13:12):
is perhaps go easier on and or not go hard
on him at all in order to get the kids
out to make a deal there his sister, and this
is interesting. His sister has said she would like to
explain why it is that Tom Phillips has disappeared, but
as there are matters before the family court, many of
the details cannot be discussed, which is very important because

(01:13:32):
if you've heard the rumors that I've heard about what
is going on there, might make you a little bit
more sympathetic towards him as to why he took away.
It took off with the kids. Maybe not altogether, but
maybe just a little bit more. Seventeen past six.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
The Rural Report on Heather do for see Alan.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Drive Hi host of the Country with Me. Now, Hey, Jomi,
got I hear okay, what are you hearing about the
GDT auction tonight?

Speaker 9 (01:13:57):
Well, the guy I go to's Mike mcinti at Jardin.
I give him a shameless plug every two weeks on
the show. I should be sending him an invoice, but
he's pretty much on the money. The futures market is
suggesting a two percent drop. It's going to be interesting here,
and I say that because we're getting we're starting to
ramp up volumes in our production season as the North

(01:14:18):
Island especially gets well through carving and starts smoking all
the cows. South Island, especially Lower South Island. We're on base,
just getting started now. So Mike's saying down two percent. Interestingly,
you know this is following I think in the last
six octions four drops followed by two lifts, which is good.

(01:14:40):
Our futures market is sitting at still over ten dollars
ten dollars ten, so that's where they're picking it's at
nine dollars sixty two for the next season, which.

Speaker 15 (01:14:50):
Is a long long way off.

Speaker 9 (01:14:52):
So look, as obviously we live in uncertain times. Donald
might help all that by broker in peace all around
the world. But in the meantime, as long as it
starts with a ten, I think dairy farmers are going
to be pretty happy.

Speaker 15 (01:15:04):
We'll keep an eye on that one tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Listen, what's going on with the live animal exports?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Nothing?

Speaker 15 (01:15:11):
Nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:15:11):
And you might remember that this was a condition of
the coalition agreement. National and ACT campaign during the last
election to bring back the trade. And this is a
very contentious and.

Speaker 15 (01:15:27):
Well put it this way.

Speaker 9 (01:15:28):
I think the farming community even here there is split
down the middle on this one. And you might remember
back in twenty twenty, during that typhoon, we had the
Golf Livestock one ship en route to China death. Two
New Zealand crew members died along with other crew members.
Five thousand, eight hundred cattle were also lost on that ship,

(01:15:50):
and that was the catalyst for saying to the wall
for the labor government anyhow to ban this cattle trade.
So National and Act want to give it, bring it back.
But the part Elementary Council Office. The PCO is drafting
the Animal Welfare Act, but they seem to be taking
their time on it and we are stuck in no
man's land. Now there's two sides to the story. The

(01:16:11):
likes of Labour's Rachel Boyak, who's their animal welfare spokesperson,
is saying no good how regardless of how good the
welfare is on that ships or on those ships, it's
not going to be gold standard, she says, ban it.
There'd been no surprise that Steve Abel from the Greens
is saying the same thing. So maybe the government might

(01:16:32):
have a wee bit of hard work on this one
getting it past the goalie. They've got to get the
legislation draft first. But remember Australia is also under elbow
planning to phase out live exports of sheep by sea,
because that's a huge trade for those guys out of
Perth up into the Middle East. They're going to end
that by twenty twenty eight. I do need to emphasize

(01:16:54):
that our live animal export would only be for cattle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Interesting, Jamie, thanks very much, I appreciate it. That's Jommy mckaye,
Host of the Country, six twenty just really quickly thought
some prayers to Wanganui because they have just highed Babs.
Babs is going to be their interim chief executive at
the council.

Speaker 8 (01:17:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Babs was the chief executive at Wellington for a very
long time and let's just say it was a happy
day when Barbara mccarro left Wellington City Council. Taxpayers Union
has put out a press release saying it is a
terrifying new chapter for Wanganui.

Speaker 8 (01:17:27):
Rat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
I know in Wanganui you think, geez, they're they're hyping
this one. No, Wanganui, it is a terrifying new chapter
for your eight payers. Our thoughts are with the people
of Wanganui during these uncertain times. Mckerro brings with her
a track record, just not the kind you'd want to flaunt.
Under her clerkship, Wellington produced experienced phenomenal dysfunction and rates rises.

(01:17:51):
We can only hope Wanganui doesn't have a town hall
that needs upgrading or pipes to fix Kyakaha Wellington. Oh
what am I talking about? Wanganui? Wellington shot of her,
So it's u Wanganui, it's your turn now. Six twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Croaging the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
It's Heather Dupice Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
That'd be Paul Bloxham is going to be with us shortly.
We'll have a chat about what is going to happen tomorrow.
Obviously twenty five basis point cut. What happens after that
easing buyers, But what happens after that? How low do
we go? Six twenty four? I think this is fascinating.
I was reading in the Guardian this morning. A bunch
of researchers from various universities, Yale, Harvard, whole bunch of
others have had a look at what's going on in

(01:18:35):
our cities. What they did is they did and basically
what they found is we're just we're walking a lot
faster than we used to. So they took footage from
New York and Boston and Philadelphia from the nineteen seventies,
and then they took footage of the same places in
those three cities modern day. And then they compared it
and they found we walk faster, we linger less, we're

(01:18:57):
less likely to meet up, so we walk fifteen percent
faster than we used to. You will see a lot
fewer people just standing around and doing nothing, just sort
of standing there and taking it all. That doesn't happen
as much. And what they call diets, which is pairs
who meet and then walk together, numbers of them have
gone down. Now they reckon that. I mean, there's a
bunch of stuff that you could probably just imagine what's

(01:19:19):
going on in your life that has caused it. We
are everything has got faster, so time is more precious,
so we spend less time just wandering around and standing
around and stuff like that. We have more preferences now
to perhaps be in a cafe as opposed to sitting
out in the park. But the big thing, obviously is
the cell phone. In nineteen seventy we didn't have a

(01:19:39):
cell phone. Nowadays, of course we've got a cell phone.
And not only are people probably looking at the cell
phone walking around themselves, but sticking it in the ears.
And you do that, you stick it in your ear.
You don't need somebody to walk with anymore, because you
you've got me, are you? You've got me in your ears,
So you stick me in your ears, and off you
go in your little walk, and I'm keeping you company.
So you don't need the other mate who you would
normally work with anybody walk with it anyway. They have

(01:20:01):
got a whole bunch of plans involving AI and technology
as to how we change this and get us It's
never gonna happen, right, This is just what life is like.
But isn't it fascinating that we even walk faster than
we used to do? Six twenty six?

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Here is the show BUSINWS In two.

Speaker 12 (01:20:17):
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abroad in Italy.

Speaker 18 (01:20:22):
I had no idea that my dream Hello Anybody harm
wasn't about to become the name Marre Meredith.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
This is the story of Amanda Knox coming back to
the screen this time because of course we've had them before.
This time though, she's telling the story herself, and she's
co producing this TV show about her life with one
of her best friends, Monica Lewinsky. Yes, that Monica Lewinsky
is one of her best friends. It was an exclusive
interview with The Hollywood Reporter with both women, and they

(01:20:50):
said the media storm surrounding their cases was made worse
by sexism in some ways.

Speaker 29 (01:20:55):
What is the worst aspect of it is that this
the kind of the misogyny becomes internalized misogyny, not just
for the person who is the target of this, but
for all women.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
No, that was definitely that was what I when I
heard the Monica Lewinsky thought the story. I thought, she's
I'm just so excited about being sexist right now, please, ladies.
The new series is called The Twisted Tale of Amanda
Knox and you'll be able to watch it on Disney
Plus from Thursday. Cannot wait now, Taita, I've been meaning
to tell you about this, So Tato fans reckon she's
going to be at the super Bowl the halftime act.

(01:21:32):
It's really weird how they're piecing this together because they're
getting deep into the weeds here because I don't know
if you know this, but Taita apparently loves numerological ester
X and so they reckon that they have found clues
in the podcast. This is the podcast she did with
her boyfriend. She's she talked a lot about wanting how
much she loves baking bread. At the moment, she's really
into sourdough, and she said she talks about sourdough sixty

(01:21:54):
percent of the time now and they reckon. That's a
clue because this is the sixtieth Super Bowl. She see
sixty percent sixty step connection there. Also in the podcast,
she mentions the number forty seven a number of times.
Her forty seventh show in the Era's tour was at
Levi's Stadium, and the super Bowl is at Levi's Stadium.

(01:22:15):
I don't know about you, but I think maybe they're
a bit crazy, but hey, maybe they're right. Let's see news.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Is next, whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics.
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

(01:22:45):
and Mas.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Trunk?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Heather reta ta Trump is also the forty seventh president.
Conspiracy music. We're going to look for the Easter eggs everywhere,
aren't we? Gavin Gray, actually not Gavin Gray this evening
it's the end of Brady Who's going to be at
this and ten minutes out of the UK. There's a
lot going down at the minute. But right now, twenty
four away from seven together for Sea l let's talk
about the ocr The Reserve Bank is widely expected to

(01:23:23):
cut it tomorrow. It sits at three point twenty five percent.
Major banks have already been dropping their mortgage interest rates
in anticipation. HSBC's chief economist Paul Bloxham is with us
from Sydney. Hay, Paul, so what do you reckon? Do
you reckon? They'll have consensus around the table on this.

Speaker 14 (01:23:38):
I think that it's fairly clear that the case should
be made that, you know, cutting by twenty five basis
points makes sense. I think, you know, the economy is
still quite sluggish, and the data that the labour markets
particularly soggy at the moment, and so the case for
supporting growth is probably stronger than the case for being
worried that inflation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Has picked up a bit.

Speaker 14 (01:23:59):
And it has picked up a bit, so I think
they should get over the line fairly comfortably for delivering
a cup tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
And what do you reckon? They do the cut and
then do they indicate more easy after that?

Speaker 14 (01:24:10):
I think that they're likely to be a bit circumspected
about what's coming next. Actually, I think although as I say,
the economy is still looking a bit sluggish and still
the labor market Soggi inflation having picked up a bit
is something that will be I think in their focus.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
They'll know about that.

Speaker 14 (01:24:28):
And then I think the other thing to watch out
for is we've had some wobbles in the data over
the past couple of months, obviously the PMIS and arrange
of the sort of timely indicators, but they have come
back a bit in the last print, and I do
think that these wobbles are going to prove to be
just temporary. I think the two big forces at work
that are going to lift growth in New Zealand are
going to be Interest rates have come down a long

(01:24:48):
way already and I think they'll go down another twenty
five basis points. And dairy prices are at high levels
and that's boosting the agricultural sector. So I think they
should be quite circumspect about what they do next, even
though I'm really confident they're going to deliver a cup tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Do you think that given that you, I mean, you're
a bit more glass half full than glass half MD, right,
and you think we're probably actually already on our way up.
Do we need to change our attitude in this country
and stop being so moody about it?

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:25:14):
Look, I think that when you look at the economy
from a distance, as I do. I watch New Zealand
very carefully, but I watch it from Australia. I think
I can see the big picture forces at work that
are supporting the economy, and I think it does feel
on the ground. I was in New Zealand a few
weeks back. It does feel still a bit a bit sluggish.
But the thing is we're not We're not trying to

(01:25:36):
work out where the economy is right now. We're trying
to work out whether the economy is going to be
in six or twelve months time. We're trying to forecast,
and so I think, don't get too caught up in
the things that are the fact that things are a
bit sluggish at the moment. The forces at work are
in play for getting growth to lift over the next
six to twelve months, and that's how we've framed our view.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Am I right in thinking that Michelle Bullock was being
a little bit cagy about where she thinks neutral is.

Speaker 14 (01:26:02):
I don't think the RBA wants to be very specific
about where they think neutral is. In fact, they've been
quite clear in their published work, in their statement that
there are lots of models and those models all show
quite you know, are varied estimates as to where neutral is,
and so you know, they look at them all and
they take some information from them. But I don't think
they're being guided in terms of what they do months

(01:26:24):
to months with their or you know, meeting to meeting
with their policy setting at the RBA by where they
are relative to neutral. I think it's just one of
the many things that goes into the mix about the discussion,
but it's not actually the thing that's driving the decision.
So I think, you know, they've been fairly clear that
they don't. They think that it's you know, it's there's
a large range of estimates where neutral is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
So why not actually say where they think neutral ism?
Is it not helpful to people to have an idea
of what they think?

Speaker 14 (01:26:53):
Well, but I think this is the point that they are.
I don't think they set policy in that way. I
think the way they go about setting policy is primarily
by doing it by feel. Is the way I describe
the data dependent. They're watching the data as it comes out.
If the data are a bit weak or a bit
stronger relative to their forecast than that sort of conditions,
how they're going to respond and it's about doing it

(01:27:14):
that way rather than having a really strong view about
where they think neutral is and then setting it based
on a model framework, because the risk of doing that,
of course, is you could be wrong. You might not
get your neutral estimate particularly right. And I guess the
RBA is being quite clear about the fact that actually
there's a lot of variability, and the models all come
up with sort of model estimates that can be quite variable.

(01:27:35):
So better to do it by feel better to go
about setting monetary policy based on the data as we
see it, rather than putting a lot of weight on
a very uncertain forecast.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
What do you think, now that we've had the teriff
stuff largely sorted out and it's settled down a wee bit,
where do you see the international economic situation sitting.

Speaker 14 (01:27:54):
I think we still yet to see the full effect
of the tariff uncertainty that came through. I think a
lot of what's actually held up the economic indicators over
the past six months or so has been a lot
of front loading. You know, there's been a lot of
pool forward of activity ahead of the arrival of those tariffs,
a lot of imports into the US, a lot of
exports out of other economies into the US, and I

(01:28:15):
think we're yet to see that front loading roll off,
and I think as it does roll off, it's actually
going to weaken the global economic cycle, both the US
and the one in Asia. So I think I think
we still haven't seen the full effect of that, the
uncertainty that was created by all of those trade developments,
and also the impact it's had in terms of driving
front loading. So we've still got in mind that global

(01:28:37):
growth slows in the coming months and into the early
part of next year.

Speaker 12 (01:28:42):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Hey, it's always good to talk to you, Paul. Thanks
so much. Paul Bloxham, HSPECIES Chief Economist, nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
For ever DUPLESL.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
He's a little bit more on the Ukraine meeting that
happened overnight our time. Here's NATO's boss Mark Rutter on
whether Ukraine will get NATO membership.

Speaker 6 (01:28:57):
The situation is this that the UASS and some other
kind have said that they are against NATO membership for Ukraine.
The official NATO position since the summer in twenty twenty
four is that there is an irreversible path for Ukraine
into NATO. But what we are discussing here is not
NATO membership. What we're discussing here is Article five type

(01:29:17):
of security guarantees for Ukraine, and what they exactly will
untail will now be more specifically discussed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
That excellent special he says, any peace agreement has to
stop Posing from coming again with another invasion. That's got
to be the point of the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
But what we all agree on is that if this
work comes to an end, we cannot have a repeat
of the Minsk Piece agreement of twenty fourteen, which was
then basically challenged by the Russians in the months and
years after. So it has to be definitive that Russia
will never ever ever again try to catch a square

(01:29:55):
mile of charity of Ukraine post a piece deal. And
again all the details now have to be hammered out.

Speaker 18 (01:30:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
One way to at least try to make this less
likely that Posen is able to get any more land
from Ukraine is to put boots on the ground, whether
they be from the US or Europe. But you know,
as is always the case, I made a decision about that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Yet we have not discussed that at all today, so
that will be part of the discussions which now start.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Now. Please remember that Mark Rutter was the guy who
called Trump Daddy. When you hear him describe how awesome
Trump was during the.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
Meeting, Well, he was amazing and he is amazing. And
let me tell you this that his criticism of NATO
was right. What he was saying is that the US
is spending so much more on this defense and therefore
spending on the collective defense of Natro charity than the Europeans.
And the great thing is and I think this is
and I hope the Americans see this. Probably one of

(01:30:57):
his biggest foreign policy successes of his president of forty
seven is that during the nature summer we come metas
collectively to this five percent spending.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
He is right, he is right. But Jes's a sakap,
isn't he? Sixteen away from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Talks Envy, it's fourteen away from seven, and Inde Brady
is our UK correspondent this evening.

Speaker 23 (01:31:28):
Hey, Inda, Hey, Heather, great to speak to you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Agains.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
So did Kistama interrupt a family holiday to go over
to Washington?

Speaker 23 (01:31:34):
Yes, he did, So this is the second consecutive summer
that the Starmers have had their family holiday interrupted because
a year ago it was the aftermath of the Southport
stabbings and all those riots across the UK. This time
he has left the family in Scotland and gone to Washington.
That is how important he felt it was that the
UK be in the room or in the room next
door while Zelenski was meeting Trump. This has been a huge,

(01:31:59):
huge meeting land last night. But I think there's still
a lot of concern in European capitals that Putin categorically
cannot be trusted. So we're talking and hearing about, you know,
America providing a security guarantee for Ukraine. Putin is not
going to accept foreign boots on Ukrainian soil to keep

(01:32:20):
back Russian forces. So let's see what happens next. But
I guess the next step will be a meeting, a
trilateral between Putin, Trump and Zelenski.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Yeah, so what is it? I mean, Putin's going to
have to give some ground though, isn't he. If he's
asking Zelenski to give up all that land, he's going
to have to give up some stuff too. Both sides
have to give stuff up.

Speaker 23 (01:32:38):
Well, I think what Putin will have to give up
is give up fighting. That will have to be an
immediate end to the war. But everyone in Europe, I
mean people in the Baltic nations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania,
they're very, very nervous about what Putin does next. And
you know he's got this meat grinder mentality that he

(01:32:58):
will just push men will he will push them over
the front line and keep going inch by inch, week
by week, kilometer by kilometer until he has the whole
of Ukraine and then what. So it's fascinating that the
show of strength from Europe last night. I think we
need to really understand that all those European leaders in
the middle of their summer holidays suddenly getting their act

(01:33:21):
together and being in that room next door monumental.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
So do you not think this occurred to me today?
Do you not think that Putin has to settle this time?
Because what's happened is Trump has gone out. He's got
all of this media coverage. It's been just wall to
wall across the world. Right, So Trump a lot of
his reputation is pinned on this. If Putin dicks them
over now it will be humiliating for him. And then

(01:33:45):
surely he's incentivized, this is Trump, He's incentivized to come
after Putin and make life as hard as possible and
crush the economy. So does Putin now not have skin
in the game to actually settle.

Speaker 23 (01:33:55):
It's a very good point. But look, I think what
Trump wants most of all is the nobel piece. We
know that much. And if leaders were serious about hurting Putin,
how this could have been and should have been done
a long time ago was massive secondary sanctions on people
who are buying Russian oil and gas and keeping the
Russian economy going, and that is China and India, And

(01:34:18):
for whatever reason, people have not shown the willingness to
go after those two countries economically as well Putin. The
feeling in Europe from speaking to European leaders, politicians, diplomats
for the last three and a half years they do
not trust him, they cannot trust him. And even as
Zelenski was walking into the room, Russia was launching drawn
attacks on Ukrainian civilians last night. That's all we need

(01:34:40):
to know about what Putin is.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Okay, now, explain something to me, as the London bar
adding a four percent like a tep when you go
up to the bar to order the drinks or for
all drinks.

Speaker 23 (01:34:52):
So it's all drinks. This is a pub that's brought
this in in Waterloo in London four percent, So you
go up, you buy your beer, wine or whatever, and
then you pay your you go to tap with your phone,
they've already added the four percent and then the only
way you can get this off is if you object,
and then the member of staff has to then go
back into the transaction and remove the four percent and look, okay,

(01:35:13):
it's not going to break anyone, but it's about sixty
cents on a pint of lager, and a lager in
London these days is sixteen New Zealand dollars. So my
question is, are we now stealthily heading towards an American style,
you know, bar economy where we're tipping people for absolutely everything,
because normally you ask someone for a tip in a

(01:35:34):
pub in London, they'll give you the who's going to
win the next race at Lingfield, you know with the horses.
Are we slowly inching our way towards America kind of
tipping absolutely everyone? And yet people would say oh, it's
only four percent, and what they're doing it's very clever
because pubs in London are packed, it's busy. Do you
want to be the guy or the girl at the
bar going oh? I objected that, take that off, and

(01:35:56):
suddenly you got someone behind you saying come on, Paul,
hurry up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Yeah, no wants to be that dick. Hey, thank you, Er,
I appreciate it. That's end of Brady UK corresponded, I
thought when I read that story this morning, I didn't
know it was all the drinks. I thought it was
just if you went up to the bar and order
the drinks. So I thought that's the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Aroun.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
I'm sure that the four percent should be so if
they come to your table. But anyway, it turns out
that maybe maybe I should have paid attention in reading classes,
because obviously I didn't get the I didn't get what
was going on. By the way, I don't know if
you caught this about the meeting overnight, but there was
a hot mic moment. Trump was caught with his mic
on saying to Emmanuel Macron, I think Putin wants to
make a deal for me. As crazy as it sounds here,

(01:36:34):
it is Luke.

Speaker 25 (01:36:35):
He wants to make a goosday as crazy as it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Soundsday, so I think, But I think is that a revelation.
I don't think it is a revelation. We already knew that.
Eight away from seven it's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
The Heather too.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Per C Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by news dog zeb Here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
The Putin's survival as a dictator depends on him carrying
on with the wall, subjugating Ukraine to start with, to
fulfill his stated goal recreated Catherine the Great Peter the
Great's Russian Empire, fairpoint Bruce. Quite a few people think
that as well. Now do you know what? I was
reading a thing today about Radio New Zealand written by
a chap called Bill Curtin, who once upon a time
had been a program director or something like that at BFM.

(01:37:15):
Remember BFM, I mean, they're still around. You don't need
to remember them. You can just you know, they still exist.
Most of us don't listen to them, but youth radio.
But anyway, what he said was, I was reminded of
arn Z recently. I loved this so much. I was
reminded of arn Z recently while I was using an
a three envelope when all I really needed was a
letter sized one. Doesn't that so beautifully describe the public service?

(01:37:38):
My current view is that the entire state broadcasting apparatus
is confused and oversized. And I don't read this reach
this radical conclusion lightly A habit of constantly reading, watching, listening,
but mostly canvassing public opinion over my forty year career
tells me all I need to know. Doesn't that beautifully
illustrate what it's like in the public service? This is
like when Brook van Velden said, I can you guys

(01:37:59):
just paint and switched the names on the logo, put
the English one at the top of the Mardi one
at the bottom, and they went fifty hours going to
need some consultants when the rest of us could just
do it on the computer. And I don't even don't
even know how to do stuff like that. I could
figure it out, I reckon anyway, It's basically the attitude is,
get the big envelope when all you need is the
small envelope. And the point he goes on to make,
which I thought was a very good one as well,

(01:38:21):
was that the reason he's writing about urn Z is
because I don't know if you were aware of it,
but they got a pretty scathing little report delivered to
them written by one of their former staff called Richard Sutherland,
and they paid Richard thirty thousand dollars for it. And
the CEO said, we will be undertaking a major reset
of the station on our approach to live radio. I
am seeking your independent, frank guidance on how best to

(01:38:43):
do this, which, when you think about it, is once
again a giant waste of money. Because if you were
running a radio station and yet you don't know what
you need to do to make the radio station successful,
how about you fire yourself and get somebody else and
who can do a good job. Or the guy that
you're paying thirty thousand dollars to maybe he should be
doing it. But to actually hire somebody else to tell
you how to do your job, I mean, does it

(01:39:03):
not blow your mind?

Speaker 16 (01:39:05):
Ants Elton John Crocodile Rock to play us out tonight.
Now he has been accused. I say accused because we've
only heard one side of the case this. We haven't
heard from Elton John on this, but he's been accused
of ruining a lady's hen's party because him and David
Walliams booked La Gatlite, a restaurant in Kahn, for a
semi private event, and this woman alleges that she had

(01:39:27):
booked a hen party for that restaurant, and she had
booked at months ahead, and then she was told, oh,
I'm sorry, there's going to be a semi private event
here with Elton John and David Walliams. So we're going
to have to cancel your booking so that the restaurant,
you know, sort of prioritize the celebrities. And like I say,
we only have this lady's word for it, no one
else's Sidney thing. Oh yeah, it's a bit stee, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I mean if you had to host a random or
Elton John.

Speaker 16 (01:39:52):
Well, yeah, book a booking should be a booking, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Oh, come off at ants, stop enjoy evening. See tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
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