Full Show Podcast: 19 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand.
Let's get connected News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Coming up today, We're going to go to the Cooks
find out why this news has come out a day
before lux and meat Mashijin came very awkward. The economy
did better than we thought at the start of the year.
We'll have a chat to Kiri Banks, Jerry Kerr and
finally we've got the scientists who found that massive carbon sinc.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Heather dupersy Ala.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
So I see the word crisis is being used to
describe this Cook Island funding situation. I don't think that's
an overstatement. I mean there's obviously been a real breakdown
in the relationship before we are now cutting nearly twenty
million dollars worth of funding to the Cox and especially
if it's Winston doing the cutting here. I mean, this
is a guy whose first trip out of the country
as Foreign Minister was to Fiji, and then a couple
of months later, where is he on a plane to

(00:56):
Tonga the Cooks samour he is obsessed with keeping the
Pacific free of China's influence. So for him to cut
money like this, I think is quite big. I also
think it tells us how difficult the Cook's government is being.
Is clearly what is going on here. Word is that
officials are being incredibly hard to deal with and incredibly

(01:17):
uncooperative on a number of fronts. Now, the most obvious
risk here is that if we cut the funding, we
only drive the Cooks even closer to China, and that's
obviously the opposite of what we want. They're given that
their cozy relationship with China was the very thing that
kicked us off in the first place. But to be honest,
I don't regard that as a very high risk because

(01:37):
this is only twenty million dollars worth of funding. Right,
the Cooks still get New Zealand superannuation, New Zealand passports,
free access to live and work in New Zealand. Plus
I don't think a cozying up even more to China
is what the people of the Cooks want, and that
is the important thing to remember here. What the people
want seems to be the opposite of what Mark Brown,
the Prime Minister wants. He wants the Cooks to have

(01:59):
its own passport. He wants it to have more independence
full you n membership. They the people seem to want
things to stay largely as they are, so I suspect,
given that they are the ones ultimately who vote, things
will stay largely as they are. But for now this
is a crisis, especially for the Cooks, because they are
the ones suddenly short of millions in funding.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
To Heather Duples see Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
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will also go to Thomas Coglan who is in China
with the Prime Minister. As I say, very awkward time.
He will get his tape. Prome ministers just spoken in
the last half hour about that. Now as we know
this is what mentioned yesterday. There is only one doctor
in the country who will have the permission to prescribe
those magic mushrooms. David Seymour. Yes that they didn't want

(02:40):
to tell us who it was. But the guy is
out at himself. He is Professor Cameron Lacey at Olimbia's
Health in christ Church. So let's have a chat. Damn
high Cameron, why do you out yourself?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Well, it's been a long time coming, in a lot
of work and very little for people who have been
following this field to work out thought.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Twice David Seymore was reluctant to name you yesterday because
he thought you were going to get swamped by calls.
Have you been.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Yes. It's very clazing to see the response and deal
of interest. I think it speaks to through the demand
and eagerness with which people have been following this field
for some time.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Cam Er I saw quite an astounding number today. It
was about it suggested that thirty to forty percent of
people who suffer from depression normal not if we consider
you know, like normal normal, help would not assist them
and so they would need to look to something like
this in the number of around two hundred and eighty
three thousand people, Is that about right?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:45):
There is an enormous number of people who are from
interfering residual symptoms and sometimes to the depression for many years,
who have helped or minimally helped or have to endure
en dart effects with standard treatments.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Okay, and so if they were to go through the
magic mushroom treatment, would it necessarily help them?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Well? Overseas, research suggests that about two thirds of people
will have a significant response or improvement with a psylocyber
assisted psychopathy. So that's a substantial improvement in the likelihood
of recovery.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And is it for as a lifelong cure or is
it for a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
We only have researched out to about two years follow up,
But it looks like for those that do have a
good response, that tend to remain a.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well And Cameron sounds like it's quite an involved thing,
Like you don't just get some magic mushroom pills to
take home.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Do you. No, this is a resource intensive treatment that
requires a course psychotherapy combined with a dosing session which
is eight hours duration support good by myself and Professor
Marie Crow. So it's it is a resource intensive exercise.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Do you basically put people through a full trip?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah, it's a very significant experience and people describe the
experience of psilocybin as one of the most significant events
in their lives and they can have very significant spiritual
and emotional experiences and insights about themselves and their connectiveness

(05:32):
to the world and others during that time.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Cameron, how does it work? Does it? Why does it
change things for people when normal treatment doesn't?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
So There's a number of theories about how it works,
both from the receipt level through to default mode networks
in the brain to psychological theories which I tend to
favor because they easier to understand. And that is that
the insights that people have during the experience can change

(06:07):
the perception of themselves, the connectionness to others, and then
through the psychotherapy following that, you are then able to
leverage those insights gained and creating meaningful change.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Fascinating stuff. Hey, Cameron, thanks so much, appreciate it. Professor
Cameron Lacey, who's the psychiatrist who prescribes the magic mushrooms.
So this is how involved the treatment is, right, So
first of all, you have well, I think, first of all,
judging by what he just said, you have a session
where they give you this trip and it's himself in
another clinical professional who are there basically guiding you through

(06:41):
the trip that is eight hours long. You may or
may not need another one of those sessions thereafter, and
then you have months of psychotherapy. This costs tens of
thousands of dollars an Oregon. It's about seventeen thousand New
Zealand dollars in the European Union. It costs nineteen thousand
New Zealand dollars. In Australia, it's somewhere like forty like

(07:02):
thirty two to forty fourish forty five ish New Zealand thousand,
by the way, New Zealand dollars, huge amounts of money
to do it. Anyway, So yeah, now you know if
you want to get yourself, I mean, if you are
hoping that it would just be a quick hit, it's
obviously not. This is not This is not going to
free anybody up to just take a little bit of
a magic mushroom and have a good time as it. Anyway,

(07:22):
now you know who the guy is, Prime Minister's press conference.
I said to you just a short while ago, had
already started thirty minutes ago. No, it hasn't. It's running
forty five minutes late. So as soon as it does start,
as soon as we know what's happening, I'll keep you informed.
Quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (07:44):
Jason Pine sports talk hosters with us. Now, Hey Piney, Hello, Okay,
are you giving it to the Crusaders?

Speaker 6 (07:52):
No? No, I'm not. I'm not going to give it
to the Crusaders. I'm going to give it to the Chiefs. Look,
it's a coin floop. She doesn't matter what either of
us say. You know, anything could happen there on Saturday night.
I tell you the reason I'm giving it to the
Chiefs is the man in the ten jersey for the Chiefs,
I think Damien McKenzie. If you look at the forty

(08:13):
six players who are going to take part in this game,
your eyes just get drawn to him and the influence
that he might have. It's probably the one position where
the Chiefs do have a significant advantage in terms of
the player in that jumper. We all know Damien McKenzie's qualities.
Revers Raehart is a good player, but he's not Damien McKenzie.
So I feel as though he may well be a

(08:35):
big part of the difference on set of that time.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I'm pretty sure this is what you said on Monday,
So you're consistent, right, So I am picking. I'm picking
that you're going to I'm picking this for Saturday. Then
I'm going to put my money there.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Piney, I thought you were going to say, now that
I've picked the Chiefs, you're going to put your money
on the.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Carun No, because you've been getting it right lately. So
I'm going to get to here.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, all right, I mean, look, yeah, put it
this way here, as you know, I mean, the Crusaders
could well win. They've won the last thirty one games
of knockout rugby and christ Yet you know, why would
they do anything other than when they thirty second? You know,
both teams have got reasons to lift Apart from a
Grand Final. Chiefs are losing their coach in one of
their best players, Sean Stevenson. The Crusaders are saying goodbye

(09:16):
to dear old Eddington as they look forward to moving
into their new stadium next year. There's all sorts of
emotion on the line. I just hope the game lives
up to the hype.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
That's what I hope.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yep, I agree with you. Now, Look, do you think
that eye gouge was deliberate?

Speaker 6 (09:29):
I've had a couple of looks at it. I don't
think so, but I can see why people think it
might be.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's tough.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
I mean, whenever you slow anything like that down, it
always looks worse, doesn't it. You know, It's like when
you have a collision, you know, when they're looking at
a headshot in a game of rugby, it always looks
worse slowed down. Look, these two teams, obviously, you know,
steeped in history, state of origin, there's always going to
be a bit of niggle. But eye gouging, I think
cross is a line that most of them don't cross.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
So I'm going to say, no, so what is it?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I mean, why do you I don't think it was
as eye gouging. Do you not see the fingers going
in for a good old dig? Is that what you're not?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
I think, well, yeh, what I'm not saying, I guess
what And it's impossible to know, but I'm not sensing intent. Yeah,
I mean yeah, a player can run his can get
his hand caught around another bloke's face. Yeah, and as
he's in the process of removing that hand from the face,
it can you know, it can make contact with the eyes.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
That can happen. It's whether he.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Went in there deliberately, you know, looking looking for you know,
as you say, a bit of a bit of gouge action,
And I'm not sure that that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, Piney, thank you for that. I appreciate it. Jason Pie,
sports talk host, bad news for you if you were
hoping to head along to the game on Saturday night
in christ Church. It's sold out. They released another thirteen
hundred tickets today gone snapped up immediately. And it's interesting
because so this is this is the argument in a
nutshell about Super Rugby, isn't it that's Super Rugby? Nobody
wants nobody watches Super Rugby. Well, I guess we watch

(10:56):
it on Talley, but we don't go to Super Rugby
do we? Until it's the final and then it's sells out.
Four years in a row it sells out. So why
does the final sell out when the games throughout the
season don't sell out? Is it because there's something on
the line and because the game actually means something and
you know it's going to be fantastic quality because it's
the Chief versus the Crusaders as opposed to pull from
Australia playing one of our teams, do you know what

(11:17):
I mean? And it's just a round robin. I think
that's the answer. I think if they want a little bit,
a little bit more of this jeopardy and they'll have
more of us turning up to the stadia, don't you think.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Four twenty one, Moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw,
it's Heather Dupers and drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
That'd be Heather. When I was in the police, we
had guys who were on magic mushrooms. One guy kept
seeing spiders on the cell wall and was literally trying
to climb the walls to kill the spiders, all the
while screaming his head off. And then he decided to
bash his head against the wall before we restrained him.
So in the wrong hands, it is not good. Well, yeah,
that's a very good point. I think in the wrong
hands most most of those kinds of drugs aren't very good. A.

(11:57):
That's why you need to have Cameron there with the
lady who's his sidekick, to you know, restrain you if
you start seeing spiders. It can go, can go either way,
couldn't it thought.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
It was really interesting?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Did you think it was interesting that he was talking
about spiritual experiences? It's not really what you expect from
a psychiatrist, is it. Anyway? Four twenty four. Listen, this
business of the cooks is really bloody or could timing
isn't it? I mean, what are the chances it appears
in the Cock's front page of the newspaper, like twenty
four hours or thereabouts before our Prime Minister's meeting with Chijinpang.
It immediately made people wonder, right who leaked it? Was

(12:31):
it the Cook's government who planted the story to embarrass
Christopher Luxen or was it Winston Peters who planted the
story to make a point, Because Winston Winston is not
always a team player when it comes to foreign affairs.
I mean, you're he's got form doing his own thing.
Do you remember when he went off and did that
speech and he didn't tell in Washington, didn't tell Jacinta,
the Prime Minister he was doing the speech. She was surprised.

(12:53):
And do you remember when he didn't turn up to
the FDA signing in China because he didn't like the
looks thing. But in fact the truth is much more boring.
It sounds very much like a journalist just dug it up,
just spotted something in the budget or something along those lines,
asked some questions and the whoops, was onto a story. Anyway,
that journalist is rationnil Kuma. We're gonna have a chat
to Ration Neil after five o'clock and just get to
the bottom of exactly how this actually popped up. By

(13:15):
the way, on the Air India crash, whoever text me
Friday last week to say that it was an engine
failure because they spotted the RAT or the RAM being deployed.
The RAT being deployed. Whoever spotted that was bang on
the wall. Street Journal is reporting today that crash investigators
reckon that the RAM air turbine, which they just called

(13:36):
the RAT, was deployed during takeoff. Now, this is a
small propeller that drops from the underside of the fuselage
basically to provide emergency electricity. It is a last resort,
it is. What that tells you is that the pilot
thought that both engines had failed, so they got the
old RAT out and it obviously didn't do anything. Boeing
says a lot. Boeing is not commenting on this, so

(13:58):
it's not flash for Boeing, is it? Also? So just
to say our text does know what they're talking about.
Also that Chap who survived has actually now been discharged
from hospital wandering around and is in fact quite sadly
just carried his brother's coffin to the funeral. So yeah,
keep an eye on the crash investigator into this situation.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I said this a little while ago, and I'm sorry
that I'm actually going to be proved right on this.
I think the days of your house going up in
value by huge strides are over. By the looks of things.
You remember the lot who were called core Logic, they
now called Cotality. They've done some numbers and they reckon
that house price rises are slowing, going up so slowly
now that it'll be twenty twenty nine, another four years

(14:43):
from now before your house is the same price as
it was in twenty twenty one at the peak, twenty
twenty nine, eight years before you get to the same price,
and then you're going to have to take inflation into account,
and when you just for inflation even in the mid
twenty thirties, So around about ten years from now, your
house is still going to be worth twenty percent less
than it was in twenty twenty one. I know it

(15:06):
rips yond's by the way, Prime Minister's press conference has
just started in China. Will keep you posted on that headlines.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Next talk Cage to even travel.

Speaker 8 (15:23):
Talking cage too, this lane.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Talking recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talk sa'd be.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
You don't have to follow.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
We don't know what is happening with the Prime Minister's
press conference now because it's some weird thing that is
happening with all the phone connections and stuff in China,
and it's very hard for us to actually talk to
our people, being Thomas Coglan in China, and the live
stream that was coming through of the Prime Minister's press
conference lasted for about one minute and it dropped out.
So anyway, we absolutely will get you across this. We

(16:08):
will have all the details, but we may have to stay.
We may have to stick to a safer harbor in
New Zealand and chatt instead to Jason Wall's. We may
not be able to get Thomas Coglan on the line.
We'll keep you posted on that. Just a quick bit
of good news, eh, the old GDP number came out
today better than expected. Even zero point seven percent for
the first quarter would have been good, but it's coming

(16:29):
at zero point eight percent. That is the good news.
The bad news, of course, as we know, is that
it probably has gone backwards since then, and it's probably
a bit of a tough time this particular quarter and
will be next quarter as well. However, we will celebrate
the good news with Jared Kirk will bear us after
five o'clock. Murray Olds is standing by its twenty four
to five It's.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
The World Wires on News Talk, sa'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Donald Trump says he hasn't made up his mind about
whether to get involved in Israel's war with the Run.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
You don't know that I'm going to even do it.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
You don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I may do it, I may not do it.

Speaker 9 (17:00):
Nobody knows what I'm going to do.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
The Oranian leaders have said that they're not going to
accept peace under Durest, but Trump says they're very keen
to meet with him to restart talks.

Speaker 10 (17:07):
They want to meet, but it's it's a little led
to meet.

Speaker 11 (17:10):
But they want to meet, and they want to come
to the White House, or they've can come to the
White House, So we'll see. I may do that, but
it's it's a shame that was could have been an
easy one.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong has called on Iran to
abandon its nuclear program.

Speaker 12 (17:25):
That Ryan has a choice here and it should make
the choice to discontinue its program, any program, and to
return to talks. As President Trump also said, it's never
too late.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And finally, the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are getting a pay
rise of get this, four hundred percent. It's probably because
of the backlash that the Cowboys got after everybody found
out from a Netflix documentary series just how little the
cheerleaders were actually being paid. Team is as you can
imagine over the moon. There is you know, a very

(17:59):
good resolution at the end of season two, which is
really exciting for you know, us, but also our teammates
that come after us that get to benefit from all of.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
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Speaker 2 (18:15):
Murray OL's OSIT correspondent is with us now mass Hello,
very good afternoon. Where are we at with the mushroom trial.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
We think the Defense Council will finish his summing up
to the jury this afternoon. That was the last thing
I saw a few minutes ago. The newspapers are doing,
you know, blow by a blow. They've got people in
court who are taken down shorthand and you know, the
world has been captivated by this trial. It's just astonishing.

(18:45):
It's gone on for weeks and weeks and weeks. Aaron
Patterson herself was in the witness stand for eight days
and a council is basically saying that the jury today, Look, look,
my client panicked. She made this lunch guests were unwell
and subsequently died, three of them after the lunch. Of

(19:05):
course she panicked. She did not mean to do them
any harm whatsoever. Certainly didn't want anyone to die. And
yes she's panicked, but that does not make her guilty
of premeditated murder. Three counts of premeditated murder. And look,
he took the jerry to a bunch of different things.
Did she swap a sim card from one phone to

(19:26):
try and to remove incriminating evidence? He said, well, absolutely not.
If she was worried about incriminating evidence on phone, as
is known, she would have simply taken it to the
dump and thrown it out. And I mean it just
got rid of it. He took her to her claims
that she'd bought these deadly mushrooms from an Asian grosser.
The accused woman, Miss Pattison, She couldn't say where the

(19:48):
grocer was, but she did give a list of suburbs
in southeast Melbourne, which is where she said she went
and got the potentially deadly mushrooms for the meal. So
absolutely fascinating stuff. I cannot wait until the jury retires,
and what do they say. If the jury's back in
a hurry, you know, it's probably guilty. And if the

(20:09):
jury takes into the middle of the next week or beyond,
Heather possibly they are unable to come to a unanimous verdict.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah. I think we're all quite keen to see how
this one goes. And I can't pick it? Can you
pick it?

Speaker 13 (20:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I can't. I simply can't. I know that Aaron Patterson
is a deeply troubled woman, that's pretty clear from all
the evidence. So I've never met her, of course, but
you have to say from the evidence that she presented,
she is deeply troubled. She's very, very and you know
she had met it, telling lies lie after life, lie
in the witness box. But does that make her a

(20:41):
premeditated murderer? I don't know. I'm not there. I've got
one idea, but it's playing out and the world you
can't get another this matter.

Speaker 13 (20:49):
It's just crazy totally.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Now, hey listener, are you guys going to be able
to get these people out of Israel in the row?

Speaker 13 (20:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, says nearly three thousand Australians
have registered to be evacuated from Israel. There's another large
number who wanted to be taken out of Iran. I mean, look,
there's no surprise many Israelis live here in Australia. Many
Iranians are living here in Australia, so they've got family
back there and people are back for weddings and say
goodbye to parents and all the rest of it. So

(21:16):
no surprise at thousands of Australians are in the Middle
East in these two countries right now. A small bunch
has been evacuated out by land from Israel. Of course,
you know, the skies above Israel and Iran are closed,
so there's no one flying out. They've got twelve and
more waiting to leave, probably by land, but at this
stage there's no plans in place for fifteen hundred others

(21:38):
who want to get out of Israel. There's no way
to get them out at this point because, as I say,
airspace is closed. You know, you've got missiles whizzing around,
drones and the aircraft fire and so on. Now in
Iran another large river of Australias, but we don't know
how many even more perilous of course for those people.
They're the advice to get out of Tehran if you can,
even you just get out of the city because that's

(21:59):
where it's you know, that's where Israel's attacks are being
are being directed primarily, So get out of the city
if you can't. Shelter where you can, and there are
we understand a bunch of different places across the city
where you can take shelter and look, a Department of
Foreign Affairs is working on the clock to get these
plans in place. But evacuation by air is out of

(22:19):
the question right now.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Mass Have you won the hundred million dollars?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
No, I haven't, but someone has. Imagine that one hundred
million dollars. The ticket was sold at Bondai Junction in
Sydney's Eastern Suburbs a week ago today, last Thursday, okay,
and this was a lot of powerball. Half a dozen
times in Australia we've had the jackpots of this size,
but I think it might be the first time that
a single ticket, a single ticket has got all the

(22:45):
numbers right. So either this person doesn't know that one, well,
they're too scared to come forward right now for fever
being overwhelmed by what you know, I've got a Harvard
bridgeess alia.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Listen, I'll tell you what mus If I had that
winning ticket, I need to take it in as soon
as possible, wouldn't you, because I would just lie there
filled with anxiety all night that I might misplace it
or burn it.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
No kidding exactly, I'll be exactly like you. So look,
I suppose the most logical explanation is if somebody's bought it,
to put it in their walld.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Or their hand, know it's there.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, jeez.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
And the big advice is to register if you're a
regular player, register because that way your details are in
the computer system. If you do win but the buy
wasn't registered, it's not all doom and gloom though, because
the winner has six years I learned today to claim
their prize. So but the one with you. If I've
won that, I'm Australia with there. It might even take

(23:41):
an uber.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
No, I think you'd have to treat yourself. Listen, muz,
thank you very much, appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia corresponding,
wouldn't you just like six years? Wouldn't you just lie
there with such anxiety? I mean, I don't know about you.
I can't remember the last time I burned a scrap
of paper accidentally. Probably never. If I had that ticket, though,
that would be four of my mind. I'd be like,
I just know I'm going to set fire to this.
I don't know how, but it will burn, and I

(24:04):
will in the middle of the night as well, when
I'm doing nothing. It will just combust and I'd have
to take it into that Lottery Commission absolutely immediately get
the money in the bank. And even then I'd probably
have to split it up in multiple accounts because I'd
be terrified that the one account would die. Just never
happened to me, but obviously that would happen. If you've
got one hundred million dollars, you know what I mean. Oh,
it's a burden to have that much money, isn't it. Heather,

(24:26):
are you across this proposal that Simon Watts has suggested
for a ute tax. He's either a deluded idiot or
he is trying to complete his CV for membership in
the Green Party. Peter, thank you for pointing it out. Yes,
I am, and I'm going to get you across it,
and we will be discussing this quite a bit today,
So stand by. We'll get you across it before five.
We'll check him with what's going on with the Prime minister?

(24:46):
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Speaker 2 (24:52):
Jason Walls's political editor is with me right now.

Speaker 14 (24:54):
Hey, Jason, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Now, Jason, bit of a dodgy connection with China A
So I don't imagine that you've heard very much what
the Prime Minister has had to say.

Speaker 14 (25:02):
Unfortunately not as of yet. He just had a stand
up with media over there. Unfortunately we weren't able to
hear what it was, given that the fact that there was,
as you said, a bit of a dodgy connection.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So we are waiting for them basically to file through
to us what he's had to say. But in the meantime,
let's deal with what is actually happening here on the ground.
So what caused this, What brought this on for Winston
Peters to be so annoyed at the Cooks that he
cuts this money.

Speaker 14 (25:24):
Well, it's been an ongoing saga. And you'll know this
isn't the first time that we've actually talked about this
issue the Cooks. This cooperation agreement with China has been
a bit of a thorn in Winston Peters's side for
some time because he's been asking for information. He's been
specifically requesting how this cooperation agreement between the Cooks and

(25:44):
China affects New Zealand. Now, he was at Pains today
to point out that it's okay for them to have
such an agreement, but the fact that New Zealand is
such a close partner to the Cooks has no idea
what's going on has been a real problem for Winston.
So he dispensed with the carrot and went from this
with the stick this morning and the big front page
article from the cook News was a big photo of

(26:07):
Winston Peters saying and then next to it essentially saying
New Zealand holts funding it to the Cook Islands. According
to the newspaper reports, New Zealand has paused millions of
dollars of funding to the Cook Islands, citing a breach
of trust and a lack of consultation regarding the Cook
Island's recent funding agreement with China. So we spoke to
Winston this morning and here's what he had to say

(26:27):
about that.

Speaker 11 (26:27):
We are saying, look, we wanted to do a review.
We want an assurance that our special rationship remained special.
So we've got responsibilities ourselves here and we want to
make sure that we didn't put a step wrong in
our commitment and our special arrangements, which goes back decades.

Speaker 14 (26:43):
So over the past three years, New Zealand's given about
one hundred and ninety million dollars worth of development aid
to the Cooks. Over the next financial year it was
looking to be closer to eighteen million dollars. So that's
been paused until we can get a little bit more
of an understanding about what it was in that agreement. Now, Winston,
to his credit, has been asking and he's been waiting
politely for some time now, and it seems like he's

(27:06):
just had enough of waiting.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Okay, how long ago did the cook sign this.

Speaker 14 (27:10):
I my memory was it was potentially late to mid
last year. I can't remember the date exactly, but I
know that this year, well, it's blown up a couple
of times. I mean, that's the thing, because it keeps
flaring up at different times.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, so publicly, I think it blew up in February.
So we are now four months down the track. If
Winston Doing has done this four months down the track,
that means he is not making headway with the Cock
Island's government. That's that says to me that they are
being very obstructive here.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, well, I mean clearly they are.

Speaker 14 (27:41):
You don't make a move like this, as as geopolitically
tense as something like this unless you really mean it,
because I mean, it's has been compared to a Trumpian
move to basically say, we don't like what you're doing,
so we're going to stop funding to this country. Although
Cook Island's technically isn't a country, it's a realm of
New Zealand, or the realm country as it's called, New

(28:02):
Zealand still has quite a lot of influence of over
the Cooks in terms of, you know, we have a
visa free access. We have the same currency. So I'm
interested to see what happens next with the Cooks if
this is going to force their hand.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Who has compared Winston to Trump on this matter?

Speaker 14 (28:15):
Listen, it was a it was a newsroom article.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I tribute deeply unfair to him, don't you. I mean,
if anybody is considered when it comes to the Pacific
and the battle over the hearts and minds of people
in the Pacific between China and the West, it is
it is Winston Peter.

Speaker 14 (28:30):
It is Winston Raymond Peters.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I agree with you.

Speaker 14 (28:32):
I mean, nobody does it better than Winston when it
comes to the Pacific. And I'm not just saying that
because he's sitting in the room right right now with
me to a gun with a gun to my head.
I'm saying it because he's actually made this sort of
impact on the Pacific and that will go down as
his legacy, very well respected by the Pacifically, you.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Think China cares?

Speaker 14 (28:50):
Listen. I often think about this and think, in the
sort of the geopolitical struggles that little Old New Zealand has,
does China care? But I think given the fact that
the Prime Minister is over in China right now, and
we'll be meeting with Shuji Ping within the coming days.
I think it will be on their agenda. There would
at least be briefed about it, and Christopher Luxon will
be asking some questions to see if you can get

(29:12):
some clarity from the Chinese side of things.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Hey, Jason, thank you, appreciate you stepping into the breach
here for us. That is Jason Walls, political editor, Newstalks
that be nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking
breakfast some of.

Speaker 15 (29:26):
The blockage in the public systems. Do things look like
they're going past four o'clock in the afternoon? A procedures
put off for another day. Doctor Richard Sullivan is the
chief clinical officer at Health New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
And Pimble uns that does it too.

Speaker 15 (29:36):
We had the Health Minister and also said rightly wrongly,
it's the way the unions have stitched this up.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Is that true?

Speaker 16 (29:41):
Yes, So we have to align our schedules with our
employment agreements.

Speaker 17 (29:44):
Why are you doing operations at date at night?

Speaker 4 (29:46):
I mean we did do operations I had to night,
so I.

Speaker 15 (29:48):
Mean outside of emergency. I'm talking about regular scheduled elective operations.
Why are you running theaters? Twenty four seven?

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Yeah, so we don't run there's twenty four seven.

Speaker 18 (29:55):
Part of that is about our employment agreements.

Speaker 16 (29:57):
Also part of this stab looking up jail workforce.

Speaker 15 (29:59):
Mag Monday from six am, the Mike asking breakfast would
the Defender Octor news talk Z'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
If you won one hundred million dollars, you could buy
yourself your own pineapple processing machine and you would be
the talk of the town. Fash it would be one
of the first. Because I actually this morning I ate
the last of my pineapple slices that came from the
New World that got burned down, and I thought, well
that's the end of that then, because it's going to
be a long time between drinks, probably years to rebuild
that thing. So I will need that money actually to

(30:26):
buy my pineapple machine. Five away from five now, said
I get you across this U tax. So this is
what's going on. I came last Friday a tax advisory
partner called Craig McAllister said hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
if you're buying those utes at field Days, just we'll
hang on it to just be aware you might be

(30:46):
getting yourself into a little bit of trouble because there's
a tax grenade coming at you. The budget changed the
rules on fringe benefit tax, and people obviously didn't listen
because they went around and bought a lot of utes,
and then the ird came out of the Craig's wrong. Don't
worry about it, double cab. Youu'eds treated no differently to
any other vehicle. Misinformation. Misinformation. Well, actually he might have

(31:09):
been right. Federated farmers reckon that. What's happened is under
this new proposal, utes costing over eighty thousand dollars will
be taxed at one hundred percent of their value. Right,
even if this is federated farmers, Even if used almost
exclusively for farm work, that would result in an annual
tax bill for the farmer of between five and a
half thousand dollars and eight thousand dollars two hundred. Everyone else,

(31:33):
like employees and share milkers, would be packed taxed on
thirty five percent of the ute's value. That's around eighteen
hundred to twenty seven hundred dollars annually for a fifty
thousand dollars vehicle. So, as you can see, a lot
of farmers are suddenly going to have to potentially find
a lot of money because the old fringe benefit tax
really does suck, doesn't it. Anyway, we're going to have
a chat to Federated Farmers about it. This appears to

(31:54):
be Simon Watts, that particular minister, so he might be
finding himself. And the farmers already do not love Simon,
a little bit worried about what Simon's doing with the
climate change stuff, so this is probably not going to
increase that love affair, if you know what I mean. Anyway,
we'll have a chat to federod of Farmers after half
past five about that. But we're straight off to the

(32:16):
Cooks after the news to speak to the journalists who
broke the story and just find out if this was
leaked deliberately to upend Chris Luckson's meeting with Cheesing Pang Newstok.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
Jet by.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Oring it's either dupus the on drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
That'd be afternoon. In something of a shock, the New
Zealand government has paused nearly twenty million dollars of support
funding to the islands. Now, this is a sign of
just how big the rift between the two countries has
grown since the Cooks signed that partnership agreement with China
and didn't let us know. Here's what Foreign Minister Winston
Peters wants.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
We want assure said our special relationship remained special.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Rational Kumar is the journalist at the Cook Islands News
who broke the story Rational. Hello, hey Karona, Now was
that story planted in order to overshadow Chris Luxin's meeting
with Chiji Peng or did you come across it through
your own efforts?

Speaker 19 (33:27):
I think you are maybe the third person from New
Zealand who has asked me that no, it wasn't planted.
I founded in the Public Arts Committee report which was
stabled in Parliament this week, and in the report it
said with concern they can see a reduction of ten
million dollars from New Zealand and they wanted to know
what has happened in the funding and they were told

(33:49):
that it was due to some sort of uncertainty and
ongoing discussions with New Zealand government. And then of course
we went to our Foreign minister to ask for some comments.
We didn't get much from him or we got nothing
from him, and then yesterday we went to New Zealand
to see whether it has to do anything with the
China agreements. And yeah, so that's where the story happened.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Now what I'm hearing, and this is what the word
is at the moment. It's that this has been brought
about because the Cook Island government has been incredibly difficult
to deal with for the New Zealand governments. Is that accurate?

Speaker 19 (34:24):
That's what New Zealand is saying. Cook Islands is claiming. Otherwise,
they're saying that we are dealing the best we can
and they're actually in dark or they according to a
statement from our Foreign Affairs Ministry a while ago, they're
not sure what has really happened. You know, they tried
their best to I guess lay off all any fears

(34:45):
that the agreements with China had, but yeah, so they're
not sure. According to them, they're doing their best what
they can do to I guess satisfy New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Is this important enough money for the Cooks to change?
It's if there isn't if there is a problem with
its approach.

Speaker 19 (35:04):
Yeah, it is important money because I think most people
are aware the Cook Islands is a developed nation and
New Zealand probably is our biggest obviously biggest partner, and
the amount of money that we get is substantial. And
the twenty million dollars, some twenty million dollars confirmed by
the News the Ministry of Foreign Affairs this morning, goes

(35:24):
towards core sector support, which is public sector as well
as the Health Ministry, education, tourism.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
So it's a substantial amount.

Speaker 19 (35:34):
And by the tone of our Foreign Affairs Ministry statement
this afternoon, there seems to be walking progress to make
sure that whatever rift and whatever misunderstanding as they claim
there is resolved so funding can resume.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Brilliant. Okay, hey, thank you very much. I really appreciate
your time. That's rational Kuma, the Cook Islands News.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Journalist, to see Ellen, it's.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
A good economic news for us today. GDP is up
by even more than we thought it would be. The
economy grew zero point eight percent in the first quarter
of the CN Now. Unfortunately most commentators don't think quarter two,
the one we're in right now, will be quite so good.
Jared kurz Kiwibank's chief economist, Hi Jarrett, Hi, did you
take some heart from this.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Oh, look, it's a good report.

Speaker 20 (36:17):
It showed we had a bit of momentum coming into
the year. Shows the primary sector, you know, farmers are
doing well. But as you suggested, just before, it's the
second quarter where things start to unravel.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, what about before we go into the second quarter?
What about the fact that we actually, for the first
time in feels like ages saw the capita GDP rising
by zero point five percent. How much hat should we
take from that?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 20 (36:41):
Like I said, it was a good report for the
first quarter. You know, it's nice to see parts of
the economy growing again. So yeah, look we think it's
a good report.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah. Okay, So, as you say, second quarter not looking
so flash. So taking those two things combined, what does
this mean for the next Reserve Bank meeting?

Speaker 20 (37:02):
Yeah, So the data that we talked about was for
the first quarter. Obviously, it predates Trump's tariff announcements, which
have thrown a whole lot of uncertainty into the air,
and it also predates the recent spike on oil prices.
So all of us is having attacks on consumers around
the world, and here in New Zealand, you know, food

(37:24):
prices are up. Energy prices are up, and now petrol
prices will rise, so that's going to stretch household budgets
even further.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So what do you think, do we get a cut?

Speaker 20 (37:36):
Oh, we need a cut, we need three. In fact,
I think the Reserve Bank absolutely. I think that the
interest rates sensitive parts of the economy haven't recovered and
they're really struggling, and we need support. We need an
economy running closer to its capacity. We're well below that

(37:58):
at the moment. And I think it ruis that interstrates
just haven't Okay, Jared really had an impact.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I mean, I agree with you on that, but that
is actually not the Reserve Bank's job, right. The Reserve
Bank's job is to deal with inflation. Inflation is creeping
up towards the top of the band, can they take
that risk?

Speaker 20 (38:13):
So that's a short term thing. So we think inflation
spikes now basically, but over the medium term it's headed
back to two and on our forecast it actually falls
below two. So we're concerned about the medium term, and
that is their mandate. Inflation over the medium term, and
it's falling whither, it's heading south. So I think they

(38:34):
should be a bit more proactive and get they're currently
running again.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Good stuff, Jered, always good to talk to you, thanks mate.
That's Jared Kerr, Kiwibank chief economist. Ever, kay, if you're
thinking about if you're already starting to think about where
to send the kiddies for university, they don't get to say,
by the way, you get to choose. The rankings are
out today. Auckland's in the top one hundred. We're gonna
have a chat about that shortly. Shane Jones wants to
scrap regional councils in classic Shane Jones style. The people

(39:04):
he chose to tell this too was a room full
of people that included people who are on regional councils.
He just just out and outset it to them. That's it,
we want to get rid of your jobs. He reckons
that once the RMA changes happen, there will be less
and less of a justifiable purpose for maintaining regional government.
Now it's Shane Jones, So a lot of what Shane

(39:26):
says never happens. You have to bear that in mind.
Just think about it. What's he actually done since he's
been in government? However, how good would it be to
get rid of regional government. I mean, are you not
getting to the point now where you're thinking, why in
God's name have we got this?

Speaker 6 (39:42):
Man?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I just look at Wellington for example. You've got Wellington
City Council, Portua Council, Hut Council, the Lower Hut Council
whatever they call themselves, I don't even know. And then
on top of all of that, they've got the Wellington
Regional Council. Right, this is like an abundance of councils.
You don't need that many. So I am with on
the fact that I would like to see the end
of regional council. By the way, in New Zealand we

(40:03):
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could actually do this thing. I think it's probably a
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Speaker 4 (41:09):
Ever do for c Allen Heather.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Simon Watts as an accountant by trade and former ID intern,
he's actually nobody's friend, least of all the kerew we
farmers burns. So many burns for Simon Watts today anyway,
we're going to talk about this with Federated Farmers after
half past right now, it's eighteen past five. Now the
University of rankings are out and congratulations to Auckland because
it's in the top one hundred. This is the QS

(41:32):
World Ranking World University Rankings. There are fifteen hundred in there.
Auckland is sixty five. Otago was one hundred and ninety seven,
aut bottom of the pack four ten. What's still not bad, though,
is it. Chris Wheeland is the CEO of University's New Zealand.
I Chris Hi, how's it going very well? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (41:49):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
People make decisions based on these rankings?

Speaker 16 (41:52):
Look, they do. They are surprisingly important. They basically came
into existence probably fifteen twenty years ago as a great
way of newspapers selling copy by coming up with rankings regimes,
and they've taken on a whole life of their own.
So now they're one of the few signals to students
and even academic staff about where to look to study

(42:16):
or to work.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I mean, how much do you reckon? It plays a
role though, because when I was packing whether to go
to university or I just went to Auckland because I
lived in Auckland and it was by far and away
the simplest thing to do. Do you think people do? Actually,
do people decide based on where they are, where their
location is, if they want to go down to Otago
and get absolutely ratted every weekend? How much of the
ranking factors?

Speaker 16 (42:37):
And then for international students, we know that about eighty
two eighty three percent consider rankings and for seventeen percent
it's one of their top factors.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Well, okay, what about locally.

Speaker 16 (42:50):
Locally less of a factor, far more likely to go
to your local university, or go with your friends going,
or go to study that thing that's only available over there.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, or your specialty like medicine. Obviously, Hey, I feel
like sixty five is pretty good for our population. Or
am I being a little too rosy here?

Speaker 16 (43:09):
Look, it's good. Given the funding that we have per
student is less than half of say, the equivalent in
the US, and well below countries like Australia or the UK,
we do incredibly well.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, I'm very pleased to hear that, Chris, Thanks so much.
Chris Wheeler, University's New Zealand CEO. By the way, on that,
because there is ongoing stout between Trump and the universities
over there in the US, Foreign students who now want
to study in the US will have to unlock their
social media profiles because the officials are going to have
a look at what you've been saying on your Twitter
and your facy and your Insta and your whats well,

(43:44):
I don't know whatever, all of those TikTok whatever. They're
going to have a look at it to look for
any indications of hostility towards the citizens, the culture of
the government, the institutions, and the founding principles of the
United States, any advocacy for any aid or support for
foreign terrorists, any other three to US national security, and
any support for unlawful anti Semitic harassment or violence, which

(44:05):
I think actually because it's very popular amongst young people
nowadays to be very anti Israel and very sort of
you know, wear the headscarff next scuff, you know, like
that's just the vibe. I feel like they would get it,
that might want to take that off the social media
if they want to go to the US, and actually
just another reason not to be on the social media
at all. Now, speaking of Trump, you want to hear

(44:25):
the weird thing with an completely embarrassing thing that he's done.
I'll play it to you shortly five point twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Two informed insight into today's issues. It's hither duplicy, Ellen,
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 17 (44:41):
They'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Being pro Palestinian is not equivalent to being anti Israel
and definitely not synonymous with being anti Semitic. Well, no,
not always, but sometimes And do you really want Trump
to be and Trump and his officials to be the
ones who make that judgment call. I wouldn't leave it
up to them, would you? Twenty five twenty four past
five other? Now listen next time you or someone else
you know calls for a new rule to fix something,

(45:02):
I want you to think of malatonin. Okay, in this country,
you cannot buy malatonin over the county. You can buy
it in Australia, you can buy it in the States,
you can buy it in Singapore, can buy in lots
of places, but you can't buy it here over the counter.
And yet people still use it here. They give it
to their kids, they take it themselves. But the thing
is they just have to find creative ways to get it.
They buy it and bulk when they go overseas. Maybe

(45:23):
they get it shipped in But that's stupid, isn't it now.
That happened because someone wanted a rule, because someone was worried.
They were worried that malatonin wasn't safe, They were worried
about inconsistency, that you couldn't be absolutely sure how much
malatonin you were getting from gummy to gummy. And the
thing is it happened because we love rules in this country.
Every time something happens that we feel we have to control,

(45:44):
we want a rule. We see men running at each
other in a backyard, we want a rule to ban
run at events. We see the sheep farmers struggling, We
want a rule to force the government to buy wool
instead of nylon carpets. Decades ago, we saw dairy farmers struggling,
We wanted a rule restricting the sale of Marjorie. You
needed a prescription to buy it. Sometimes rules work, like

(46:04):
telling us to wear seat belts. But sometimes they don't work,
like when we tried to stop pee and pe related
crime by banning cold and flu medications that contain pseudoephandrine.
Did that stop pee?

Speaker 13 (46:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (46:15):
It didn't stop pee. Pee is more of a problem
now than when we banned convictions for meth use and
possession almost tripled in the decade after that ban. All
that did was to stop you and I being able
to get some decent cold and flu relief over the counter.
We love to moan about rules, but the only reason
we've got those rules to moan about is because we
love rules in the first place. They are our go to.

(46:36):
So next time you want to rule, as the AD says,
have a hmmm, because it might just be another rule
like the malatonin rule, which thankfully we are now getting
rid of.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Heather do for se lay.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
The government is walking back that you tax in our
burg way. I'll get you across that shortly. We are
going to talk to federated farmers about that. Okay, But listen,
So Trump did this thing is really awkward. Today he
was in the Oval Office and he had the team
from Juventus, and just to paint you the picture, He's
sitting at his desk and the team is all gathered
behind him, standing in a row, and he turns around

(47:09):
and asks them what they think about the trans issue
in sport?

Speaker 19 (47:13):
Men playing in women's sports.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
You know who has never heard have you ever had women?

Speaker 21 (47:18):
Could a woman make your team?

Speaker 11 (47:20):
Fellas? Tell me you think didn't give very nice What
do you think think a woman could make the team?

Speaker 10 (47:27):
General managers?

Speaker 8 (47:28):
Way, I think.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
We have a very quick women, we do.

Speaker 19 (47:34):
But they should be playing with women, right, you know
it's what are those things?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
See they're very diplomatic.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yes, I do. You know what I feel like? This
is one of those how embarrassing is how awkward for
them is they were all standing there and he sort
of turns to one side asking and they will look
at each other and you can answer that I don't
want to get involved in the trans issue in public, No,
Joe's I don't want to say it, and then he
turns to the other side, just looking for it. Just
he just loves He just loves to prove, doesn't he
look just just for Uncle Keith at the barbecue and

(48:05):
Donald Trump. Don't raise the issue unless you're absolutely sure
that everybody wants to chat about it, because it's just
not It's not the kind of thing you just raise casually,
do you know what I mean? It's quite a heavy subject.
And definitely don't do it in front of the cameras
unless you're absolutely sure. Headline's next and then we're on
the Utex.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Get then let's on it.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
We can dance.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
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Speaker 1 (48:32):
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get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
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Speaker 2 (48:45):
Andrew has sent a doozy through of stupid rules. You
just wait till you hear this one. Also, I might
be able to help you out with knowing exactly when
you're gonna die. There's a new little age test to
stand by and you will have that hot little information
in your hands before six o'clock. Also, we've got the
huddle standing by for us, Morris Williamson and Gareth Hughes.

(49:06):
The moment right now, it's twenty four away from six.
Now tell you what farmers are not happy with, Revenue
Minister Simon Watts. Are they? He is the guy responsible
for a plan change to the way that fringe benefit
tax applies to utes. If he goes through with this,
it would cost farmers thousands of dollars every single year.
Mark Hooper is Federated Farmer's Transport spokesperson with US.

Speaker 13 (49:26):
Now, Hey Mark, good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Have you heard what the government's just sent through to us.

Speaker 9 (49:33):
I'm pretty much aware of what's been going on. Basically,
it was a bit of a story that blew up
post field days when there was a lot of hype
around buying new utes with commodity price has been up
and the government government's newly announced investment boost which allowed
an immediate twenty percent depreciation deductibility on US sets. And

(49:56):
then in the midst of that, fintech sorry tax advisors
they sort of said, hang on a minute, whatever you
just saved on depreciation and new you you could just
have ended up losing through the proposed changes to the
FBT rules. So it was a bit of a classic
case of giving on one hand while taking on the other.

(50:19):
And not only that, but of course it's a FBT
is a cost every year, so obviously the optics around
this we were not looking too good at the time.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, and so have you heard what the government's just
sent through to us?

Speaker 7 (50:32):
What have they seent through all of this.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Debarcle mark over the last few days has gone on
about a week now. They have sent us a statement
that says, in terms of introducing a new eighty thousand
dollars fringe benefit tax threshold on youth, we can rule
that out. Ird consider a lot of things regularly, but
this is something that is not going to get progressed.
How good.

Speaker 9 (50:53):
That's a great result, and that was certainly one of
the issues that we had, whether you know, we looked
at it from the perspective of what we know actually
happens on farms. And you know, if you're buying new utes,
if you want to look at say a seventy series
land Cruiser, your starting prices around eighty grand, and regardless

(51:14):
of whether it was one hundred percent work related use
or not, by going over that threshold, it immediately put
you into the one hundred percent payment for FBT criteria.
And so that was a considerably ongoing significant expense on
that purchase.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
How long have you guys been going on about this?

Speaker 9 (51:37):
Well, as I say, it only just blew up really
post field days, and I think that was I see
what part of the June.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
On some of these stories. So that's that's Friday? Is
it Friday last week?

Speaker 21 (51:46):
So that yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah, So you've been going on about it since Friday
last week, got no traction at all, and then all
of a sudden today they do a U turn.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
Well we've had a little bit of communication with the
Minister's Office of you know, as I said, we looked
at it from farm perspective. We could see that there
were some issues with the categories that they had laid out.
Was really easy for the way that we use farm
utes for those to be escalated into the higher categories
hence a significantly greater FBT liability. And so you know,

(52:17):
once that came out, it was just a case of
really getting hold of the Minister's office and talking through
some of these issues. It's great to hear an immediate response.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Okay, yeah, it's brilliant Mark, thank you very much. I'm
stoked for you. Mark Hooper, Federated Farmer's Transport spokesperson, the.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
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Speaker 2 (52:34):
Are one of the comes Morris Williams and Auckland councilor,
former National Party minister and Gareth Hugh's director of the
Well Being Economy Alliance out and former Green MP. High lads.
This a little bit of a bit of policy on
the hoof, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (52:49):
I look at you.

Speaker 22 (52:50):
I'm one of these sort of old, crusty old buggers
who've seen so many things come and go. When I
see certain things announced like coming out of IID and
I just smile and say this will never stand, will
never stand. National made such a song and Dann's about
the yute tax and the campaign up.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
And down and you know what, Yes, I agree with you.
But then why is Simon What's doing stuff like this
because he instructed them? Why?

Speaker 22 (53:13):
Well, look, there's some things in the world I can't explain,
and that's one of them.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Gareth, Gareth, you being from the Green Party, You've always
got a kind of slightly cock eyed view of tax.
So tell me what you think of it.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Well, Morris is right.

Speaker 18 (53:28):
I mean National was really at risk of being hoisted
by their own potade. They made such a big song
and dance about this previously, but it seems like the
biggest issue with so many farmers seem to think that
utes exempt from fringe benefit TEX. So it's a bit
of a wake up core course for government was always
going to respond with alacrity on this, and I think
farmers will be pretty happy with it.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Hey, now, what do you make Gareth of Winston Peter's
pulling that funding from the cos it's interesting.

Speaker 18 (53:54):
I mean It's terrible timing for the government, with lux
and literally meeting She in Beijing at the moment. You
know this is going to dominate the talks, and there's
a perception that Peters could be trying to talk Peter
the talks. There's no surprises very much in the American camp. However,
there's the story that this actually started out earlier this month.
It's the Cook Island government themselves who have made it public.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Again, it's bad.

Speaker 18 (54:16):
Timing, bad optics. I don't think it's ideal that New
Zealand's linking our aid to great power politics. It's clear
that the Cooks themselves are pretty upset about this, and
the film feels a little bit colonial to me, New
Zealand playing great power politics here with our aid budget.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Okay, Morris, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Well?

Speaker 22 (54:36):
I take the analogy of what happened with my kids
when they went through teenage years and into their twenties.
Their attitude was, it's my money, I'll do what I
want with it, now can you lend me some? And
that's the same with the Cooks. If they want to
be independent and go away and negotiate all sorts of
things with other countries, and not tell us what they're doing,

(54:56):
which they're supposed to evently in their chart that they si. Well,
Winston's doing the right thing. He's saying, well that, look,
we can't stop you where you go, but that doesn't
mean we have to be the funder of last resort
for you anymore.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
We can just say no.

Speaker 22 (55:10):
And so they have to put that under the equation
of the Cooks think it was worth losing the what
is nineteen point eight million they're going to lose if
they think it was worth losing that because they're maybe
getting phenomenal money back from China, Well good on them.
They're free to go and do what they like.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, as I tend to agree with Morris on this
because I think that we can take a bit of
a paternalistic and I feel like that, you know, no
disrespect to you, but I feel like you might have
been a bit paternalistic there where our attitude towards smaller
nations like the Cooks as always oh well, you know,
they can kind of behave however they want, and we
just have to kind of sit there and suck it
up and carry on with the funding. Actually, it takes
two to tango, and it doesn't sound like they've been awesome.

(55:45):
So isn't it within our rights to pull the money?

Speaker 8 (55:48):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (55:48):
I think they feel a bit grieved too. I mean,
the Prime mins is going to come back to China
presumably signing deals, are doing deals? Are we going to
be updating the Cock Island governments around that? But you
know there is a strategic contius in the Pacific. You
go to any Pacific state, China is investing a huge amount.
Like that's clear to everyone. I just think, you know,
if we want to have our strategic counterests bets, serve

(56:09):
them the Pacific, we're best to use carrots, use our
special relationship, use the people connections, good faith on the stealings.
You can't make friends by pulling out a stick. And
I think that's the risk is you know this could
even push the Cook Islands more intual.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Relationships that happened. Do you think that will really happen
given that it doesn't What Mark Brown wants doesn't sound
like what the people want. And twenty million dollars pails
and insignificance when you think about the fact that they
have our passports, they have access to the country to
live and work in, they have our superannuation. Surely that's
still a massive carrot there.

Speaker 18 (56:46):
Oh, look, this has to be dealt with, and it
has to be dealt with well. But if we're doing threats,
if we're pausing aid, you know, there's a risk of
permanently damaging relationships. And look, China can afford a lot
more than New Zealand can. We're best to play to
us rather than try and be aggressive.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yah.

Speaker 22 (57:02):
Yeah, But if they thumb their nose at us, if
they thumb their nose a us and so, well, damn
we're going off and doing something with them and we
don't care. We're supposed to have alerted you or talked
it through with you. That's fine, don't wait. Off you
go a naughty child. Way, you go, do your own thing,
But don't come calling back to home and saying I
want some more. They've had two hundred million in the
last three years, for God's sake from us. That's an
enormous amount of money they've had. Well, if they don't

(57:24):
want to thumb their nose at that and say we've
got a better deal elsewhere, that's fine. But which just
means we don't have to play their silly game.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
All right, we'll take a break. Come back shortly quarter.

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Speaker 2 (57:40):
Hey, really quickly. A hospital in southern Israel has been
hit by an Iranian missilets taking a direct hat. This
is a hospital in Beersheba. Not good for Israel to
have that happen, as you can well imagine. Also, I'm
going to tell you about that age test in just
a minute. Right now, we've got the huddle back with
us Morris Williamson and Gareth Hughes. Now, Gareth, how would
you feel about us getting rid of regional government?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (58:01):
I'm not a fan. I think we should be boosting
local government. We've got one of the most centralized government
systems in the world. Central government gets about ninety one
percent of the revenue. Local government gets about nine percent.
I think that's out of whack. But if he's what
he's talking about, should we see more amalgamations? Definitely open
to that. I think we've got way too many councils
duplicating way too many things.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
What do you think, Marris?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (58:24):
Look absolutely, Look, we've got the Hiranui District Council, the
Opotocki District Council, so eight thousand ratepayers or something in
each of them. If you think back a few years
long before you two were around. But Auckland when I
was young, had thirty two councils. You know, there was
the New Market Borough Council, there was the Mount Albert

(58:45):
Borough Council, the Mount Edenborough Council now Michael Bassett in
nineteen eighty nine merged them into seven. There was a
good start and in the right direction, and in twenty
ten we moved to more than to one. I would
have thought that what Shane is talking about is let's
get rid of all of the little fragmentation. And they
had a reason back then many years ago, because communications

(59:06):
were appalling. You had to send a letter and it
had to be delivered. Now they can be online with
screen showing data, they can be in communications while they're
on the road talking. I think we've got far, far
too many local government entities. And the more we did
some amalgamations right across the board, the whole of the
south part of Wellington with the wire wrapper and Wellington

(59:27):
should all be just one counsel.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
In my view.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I mean, because Gareth, don't we have too few people
really to have the number of councils that we have.

Speaker 18 (59:36):
Yeah, I think that's a genuine question. And you know,
I live in Wellington and I would support greater amalgamation
in the region. We've got way too much duplication happening.
But I wonder what change Jones. You know, I was
at the event last night where he gave these remarks.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
He's all talking.

Speaker 18 (59:51):
Oh he's no shrinking violent, that's for sure, and you
know you could see he was in competition with David
Semo Garrett to get the headline.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I said this to the husband this morning and I
read it. I said, oh, yeah, but it's from Shane.
What have they actually achieved? What is like New Zealand?
This is all blah blah, But they actually don't do
anything when they're in government.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Do they.

Speaker 18 (01:00:09):
Well, and look, I'm not Shane's biggest fan, but he
did talk about the idea of central government sharing some
more GST revenue with local government. I absolutely support that,
but they didn't put that in their confidence and agreement
with the government. You know, they talk about it, they
haven't achieved it.

Speaker 22 (01:00:23):
No, and hopefully that is, But if you think about it,
the exact opposite will still give you the outcome. Instead
of going and getting rid of the regional councils and
leaving a whole lot of tin bot little rotten boroughs,
merge them up all across I reckon thirty or forteen
councils across the entire country. We're only five million people. Yeah,
that's a modest city anywhere else in the world. Our
whole country is a lot of city.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Auckland has done the amalgamation. But now we've got all
the little wards, haven't we with like five people voting
for somebody Morris, can't we get rid of all those wards?
Just leave you fellers in charge accounts?

Speaker 22 (01:00:54):
Well, my ward's bigger. Listen to this, my howick Ward,
that I am standing for bigger population than any other
city in New Zealand other than Wellington and christ Church.
We're bigger than Toweronga, We're bigger than Hamilton, We're bigger
than Nelson. Any city you name, howick Ward where it's
only two counselors is bigger than them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Jason, Well, that says a lot, doesn't it. Hey, guys,
thank you very much, really appreciated Morris Williamson and garrethuse
huddle sitting. I was meant and getting rid of the
ward councils. You know those guys you don't even know,
you don't even know that they're sitting under the council.
It's like five people. The local boards is thank you,
thank you ants. That's the word. I'm looking for the
local boards and need to get rid of them because
there's some really interesting people on those local boards drawing

(01:01:36):
a salary from us doing nothing. Nine away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Listen very quickly. The Prime Minister's press conference has finally
finally reached us from China. I feel like that link
between US and China we're still using, you know, eighteen
hundred technology here, very very clear. What is clear in
the I'm not even going to play it to you.
The quality is a shocker. I don't know, do you
think it's not between two developed countries, Well, you know

(01:02:10):
it's China, spurs are not that developed. But anyway, you know,
full of like amazing technology. Anyway, regardless, Primeonise is very
very keen to make this an issue about New Zealand
and the Cooks, not anything to do with China. And
when Ston Peters is doing the same thing, they're making
this very clearly a problem with a misunderstanding between us

(01:02:30):
and the Cooks, nothing to do with China. Trying to
leave China out of it is probably the smartest way
to play that. Actually, now it's fine. Oh five away
from six. We've got the carbon sink. Lady with us
after six. Remember how I told you about the carbon
sink yesterday and I was really excited because it means
we can burn another huntly, we can build another one
and just go hell for leather. She's going to talk
us through it after six o'clock. Now here we go. Okay,

(01:02:52):
do you want to know when you're going to die,
or more accurately, how long you've got to live? There
is a new study that has just been published today
in the European and in Journal of Preventive Cardiology, and
it outlines a very simple test that you need to
do and if you can do this test extremely well,
you will live for the next decade or so. If

(01:03:13):
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It's about your muscular health. It's about your balance, it's

(01:03:34):
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(01:03:55):
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Speaker 21 (01:03:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
So hold on, I'm gonna just reorient this mic.

Speaker 21 (01:04:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
So what you want to do is you want to
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Speaker 21 (01:04:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
It, don't you only if you're at home. Now, sit
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If you wobble, you're not winning. Now you need to
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Speaker 23 (01:04:32):
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I would have still. I was actually still on the
ground at this point when I tried it before.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
At least ten years in the candies. I mean, you're
kind of tired from that. Should we stick it up
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Speaker 21 (01:04:47):
Where you can stand the medical team down. She got
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Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Good work, and then you can do it. I think
I'm dying. Then you can do it later tonight for
yourself and see if you've got ten years or so. Hey,
how's that? I know who's not going to be able
to do it? My husband then again, does have a
heart issue, So that's okay anyway, Carbon sink. Next news
talks a'd be.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Even been coming up in the next hour. Liam dan
on the GDP, Sam Dickey on inst on investing with
that Middle East conflict going on in end Brady out
of the UK for US at seven past six. Now,
I told you yesterday about that carbon sinc that they've
discovered in Fiordland's native bush. This carbon sinc is sucking
in so much more carbon than we originally thought. In fact,
it's so much it may be three times as much
carbon as US humans in New Zealand creating year. Now

(01:06:00):
the study has been done by NIWA and Biazabukosa is
the atmospheric scientist who lid the study. Hibieta, Hello, how
sure are you about these numbers?

Speaker 24 (01:06:11):
We're quite quite confident in these numbers. We were running
tests for years and years now try to challenge our calculations,
models in every possible way we could think of, But
this sink was always there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
So does this mean that it really is sucking in?
This carbon sink is sucking in three times what us
humans in New Zealand are burning.

Speaker 24 (01:06:36):
So it's just like carbon is mysteriously somewhere disappearing in
this region. But something to be careful about at the
moment is that we don't know where that carbon actually goes,
if it's a long term carbon, or if it's maybe
potentially exported somewhere else. So that's something that we still
need to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Well, if it's a long term carbon that's going into
the trees.

Speaker 24 (01:06:56):
Right, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
What's the alternative.

Speaker 24 (01:07:00):
Well, there's something also that we call lateral carbon transport.
So if you think about these regions down in the
Southwest Coast or Fjordland, these are regions with a quite
complex topography, quite a bit of rainfall, landslide erosion. So
an additional thing that might be happening is that some
of this carbon is being transported in the rivers and

(01:07:20):
then out to the ocean, which might then be re
emitted back to the atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
But that makes yeah that much.

Speaker 24 (01:07:27):
Yes, So we identified that about half of the difference
that we see is due to these lateral transports. However,
there are uncertainties with these estimates.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Okay, so even if it's just half of it that's
going down the river, the rest of it is going
into the trees, right, which is more than we are
creating annually as New Zealanders.

Speaker 24 (01:07:47):
Yeah, so there's a specific amount that it seems is
being kept somewhere potentially in the land. However, we still
haven't identified the exact place or processes that take up
this urbon, so that's still work that needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Does this mean that we have a bit of a
license to relax about what we're doing in this country
and not beat ourselves up so much because actually Fieldland's
taking care of it.

Speaker 24 (01:08:11):
Well, not really, just because until we know exactly what's
the fate of that carbon, we can't really relax, and
we shouldn't relax because we still need to work.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
So I knew you again. I knew you again. I
say that how long is it going to take to
be absolutely sure?

Speaker 24 (01:08:27):
So we have currently a quite comprehensive proposal where we
would do additional measurements and modeling and basically bring together
everyone and everything to id identify exactly what is happening
with that carbon and where does it disappear. But that
would take another few years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Oh no, really, how many is a few years?

Speaker 24 (01:08:48):
Well, it really depends on when we could start that research.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Okay, is it possible that the native bush is just
better at capturing carbon than we thought it originally was?

Speaker 24 (01:08:58):
There is an explanation yes there as well. And one
of the specific things to think about is the fact
that some of these forests and trees might be regenerating, yeah,
following some disturbance, which means that it can now take
up more carbon than what we thought before. That we
also discuss in the study. There are also some efforts
across New Zealand about pest and browser control, which can

(01:09:21):
further contribute to a healthier, better forest, stronger forest that
can take up carbon. And there's also climate change, the
overall impact of climate change and increase temperatures and other
conditions that impact how these trees and environment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
But it relates to us like the native forest is
doing a bit of job, we might want to consider
planting that instead of pine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:09:42):
Well, it's very hard to make a conclusion at the
moment about you know, native forests versus pine and exotic forests.
But I think our main message here is that we
should focus quite a bit on maintaining these forests.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.
I appreciated this Becauso, who is the newer atmospheric scientist. Listen,
just a little bit more of an update on what's
going on with Israel. And Ran told you about the
hospital before. Israel has also attacked and the missile's going
in the other direction. Israel's attacked Iran's heavy water reactor
in Iraq. There is no radiation danger apparently from this,

(01:10:20):
and it was evacuated before the attack happened. Also, the
Wall Street Journal is reporting that Donald Trump has actually
approved attack plans for the US to get involved in
the attack on Iran. He is withholding the final order though,
so everything is good to go until it's basically in
a holding pattern until he gives the old go ahead.
What he wants to do first to see what Iran does,

(01:10:40):
and he's told Iran obviously he wants total surrender. He
wants to see it abandon its nuclear program. Seems reasonably legitimate.
Wall Street Journal obviously pretty credible. And three sources have
told them that this. I meant to tell you this earlier.
This is what Andrew had text through about stupid rules Heather.
As pediatrists, when we do nail surgeries, we have to
get the patient to go and get the sodium hydroxide

(01:11:02):
solution from a pharmacist and then bring it to us
so that we can use it in the surgery to
prevent nail regrowth. This is because some numpty and met
safe thinks so we're not qualified to have it despite
being the best practitioners to deal with this problem. That
sounds like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
A that sounds like a stupid rule.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Now what you need to do is go to the
Ministry of Regulation. When you go onto the homepage, there's
a little thing right at the top. It says make
a tip or something like tip hotline or suggest a
tip or something basically like a tell us the stupid
red tape that needs to be changed. Andrew, go and
type that in. I guarantee you they'll change it because
David Seymour is just waiting for stupid rules to get
rid of. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Let me get the straight. So climate change is causing
CO two to be captured more quickly. I know, isn't
it a problem solving itself? And you know what, I
could just sit here and watch it sort of solve itself,
can't we That's my I'm taking this new new approach,
aren't you. I'm just going to kick back and be like,
burn that cal it'll solve itself. Seventeen past six, Liam
Dan Herold's business editor at Largest with us.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
A lim Hello, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
How good was that GDP number?

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Pretty good?

Speaker 7 (01:13:17):
Like?

Speaker 25 (01:13:17):
I mean, you know, the economists had already upped all
the forecasts to zero point seven and we got zero
point eight. But as you know I've mentioned before, I'm
a little bit skeptical of GDP numbers. You know, the
one from the last quarter of twenty twenty four got
revised down to zero point five, so you know, there's
no guarantees that it's spot on for this one either.

(01:13:37):
But look, look, we'll take it. It looks like the
recovery was underway and in full swing in that first quarter,
so we'll we'll you know, let's let's take that at
for starters.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Well, and we heard it. I mean, geez, honestly, how
many quarters have we had that have been rubbish?

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
At least we are headed solidly in the right direction,
even if we have to grind it out for the
rest of the year. Or am I being a little
too polyannash here?

Speaker 25 (01:14:02):
Well, I think we are still heading in the right direction.
What's what spooked economists in the last week or so
is that the sort of high frequency data for the
second quarter that we're seeing for the that's coming through
from May around manufacturing and services that went back into
negative territory card spending and May went down. So all

(01:14:23):
this this this first quarter GDP was pretty solid. It
was all pre Donald Trump doing the Liberation Day thing,
and you know, that sort of hit confidence, I guess,
and it made our KEYPI savers go down and that that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Probably didn't help.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
And then we've we've you know, we've.

Speaker 25 (01:14:41):
Also seen that you know, not not great stuff from
the housing market, which we know is a sort of
a bit of a driver of a wealth effect, particularly
in the big cities in Auckland. So consumers not feeling
hugely confident right now. So so yeah, the sort of
mixed feelings, but you know it is heading the right
and you know that there's a feeling that well for

(01:15:04):
starters that the Reserve Bank will probably pause in July
and just wait and see and won't give us another
cut just in case they start to get ahead of themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Of course not why would they want to do anything
to help the economy, Liam, thanks very much, appreciate it.
Liam Dann, the Herald's Business editor at large. Hey, a
bit of a tough day by the way for km
D brands on the INSIDEX the shares were down. Last
time I checked, they were down five percent and this
is after they released a week in an expected outlook.
Problem for them has been it's been two warm, two

(01:15:33):
warm here, two warm, especially in Australia, and so as
a result, Catman Do sales are down six point four
percent because nobody needs, you know, all of that insulation
around you. So, as a result, the guidance for full
year epit dart between fifteen and twenty five million bucks.
That is well below the consensus expectation of thirty thirty
nine million, and so the shares wore at six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health Home of Maltine
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Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Vaccine right twenty three with me now as Jamie Mackay,
Host of the Country. Hello Jamie, hello here.

Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
Did we get to the bottom of the after shaved headaches?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yes? Do you know what we did? I found a
hold on what was it? There were two ingredients in
your perfume. It was one was eleavender smell and.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
One sorry shaving.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
There's eleven to smell. It's like Lena lul It's called
or something like that. And then there's a citrus note
which is like Lemuel or something like that. And those
of your little migraine triggers right there. So it's not
your fault, Jamie.

Speaker 10 (01:16:34):
Oh, thank you. You've just I've just wasted a bottle
of Amani Stronger with you after you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Yeah, if your wife likes it, that's more important. If
she doesn't get a headache from that, but just from
your general carping, then you're okay.

Speaker 13 (01:16:48):
Hey, listen, I think it is the latest.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I want to know what's going on here with this
this ute tax I think the thing is I think
the problem here may be Simon Watt's actually who who it's?
This is not the first time that he's actually got
on the tits of the farmers, is it.

Speaker 10 (01:17:04):
No, he's a bit accident prone. Him and the other
bloke what's the other guy's name, the mental health ministeroy,
He seems to do sy.

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
The pair of them.

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
Seemed to be a wee bit accident prone and to
be fair enough, and I'd say this often repeating myself.
But you know, the current government is about as farmer
friendly as you get, and Federated Farmers, who were doing
a really good job being attack dogs at the moment,
picked up on this really quickly earlier in the week,
I think it was Tuesday when they kind of had
the ute tax two point zero and instead of red

(01:17:34):
they had it and blue and they were dead right.
Some hair brain scheme somewhere suggesting that farmers should pay
some a ridiculous amount of FBT on their utes.

Speaker 7 (01:17:44):
And farmers are no different than anyone else.

Speaker 10 (01:17:47):
If you're using your ute for a lot of private motoring,
well you've got to stick to the rules and pay
your FBT. But the reality for most farmers when they're
driving the high Lucks or the Ranger around, nearly all
of it or a good proportion of it is a
business use. So the FBT component should be very, very small.

(01:18:07):
And someone has obviously realized that in the Simon Watts department.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Yeah, fair enough. Tell me really quickly about this, chap.
Gordon Stevenson, what's he want?

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
Well, well, he's I spoke to him today.

Speaker 10 (01:18:20):
He was the big winner at the Balance Farm Environment
towards he took out the South Taranaki Farmer just east
of Stratford. There he took out what is the title.
Let me get this right. He's the twenty twenty five
National Ambassador for Sustainable Farming and Growing.

Speaker 7 (01:18:35):
But I never knew the blowcare.

Speaker 10 (01:18:37):
He's a mate of a mate and everyone knows everyone
in Taranaki. But I chatted to him on the show today.
Most impressive. Fifty five years of age, which is quite
old to get that prize. But as you said, he's
well down the sustainability trip. This guy has got fingers
in so many pies and he's such a good all rounder,
great communicator, great with the community'd been involved in everything.

(01:18:58):
But wait for this, Heather. I chatted to him just
before he jumped on a plane to go to Mongolia
to drive a dirt bike ride a dirt bike across
the Gobi Desert.

Speaker 7 (01:19:08):
So he's a bit of a go getter. Keep your
eye out for him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yeah, thanks, Jamie, appreciate it. Jamie mckaye, host of the Country.
By the way, I got it wrong, his name is
Brenda Natural and he won the Gordon Stephenson Trophy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Ever Dupless the La.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
So here's a little bit of show Biz News to UK.
So Bruce Springsteen legend. They're finally making a movie about him.
The weird thing is it features somebody who you don't
think looks anything like Bruce Springsteen. Jeremy Allen White, you know,
the one ratty looking chap from the Bear.

Speaker 26 (01:19:36):
Excuse what I want you to understand. This is not
about Hi, do one of us? This is not about
the Churts. This is about Bruce Springsteen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
The story the movie is going to be about the
effort that Bruce Springsteen goes to to make his sixth album, Nebraska.
He's fighting the record label. He's trying to make the
album as stripped back as he wants to and they
don't want him to and blah blah blah. Anyway, there's
Jeremy Strong in it, who's the bad son from Succession,
you know about the annoying son, the oldest one who's annoying.
And then there's Paul Walter Hauser from Severance. But here's

(01:20:22):
the thing. If you're thinking that Jeremy Allen White cannot
look like Bruce Springsteen because he's a scrawny, little, ratty
looking chap and Bruce Springsteen is hulky and hot go
and have a look at it. They actually make on
certain angles. Absolute just yep, you're gonna enjoy. Oh, you're
gonna enjoy the movie if you like a bit of
Bruce Sam Dickie's with us. Next, we're going to talk

(01:20:43):
through what you should be doing as an investor with
the Saran Israel conflict. Going on headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Next crouching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
It's Heather due for ce Ellen with the Business Hour
and mas Insurance and Invents Smiths, Grow your wealth, protect
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Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
These talks that'd be.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Our machine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I've got any Brady with us out of the UK
and ten minutes time should mention and it does be mentioning.
There is a big reset underway with coyinga order. Today
they have announced they're going to halt hundreds of developments
basically because these things are in the wrong place or
they don't stack up financially. Two hundred and twelve of
the developments are gone. That's nearly three and a half
thousand houses. Are they going to go ahead with two

(01:21:30):
hundred and fifty four developments? I mean, you add those
numbers together just shows you how much they were doing
a two hundred and fifty four developments going together. That's
eighteen hundred new houses. They are also going to sell
off twenty percent of the vacant land that they own,
that's thirty six hectares. This is to refocus coying your
order as a landlord and not a developer. Quite a welcome,
I think, step change if you've been following how badly

(01:21:52):
they've been doing their developments lately. It's twenty four away
from seven. Now we've moved from tariff headline shockers and
then we've moved sadly into geopolitical head line shockers. How
are global investors thinking about this that thus far? How
can they navigate this uncertainty? We've got Sam Dickey from
Fisher Funds with us to explain this. Hey Sam here,
that's it going very well, thank you. So we're a
week into this thing now between Israel and Iran. How

(01:22:14):
do you see the global investors thinking about things? How
are the asset markets and the equities and bonds and
commodities and stuff responding to this?

Speaker 27 (01:22:21):
Yes, it's always awkward talking about a war or real
human tragedy through the lens of asset markets, and sadly
geopolitical risk is something that you and I too regularly
talk about. So if we look at equity markets, currencies,
and commodity prices since the attacks, the local stock market
of Tel Aviv, it fell initially, but it's now actually
up two percent since then. The Iranian stock market is

(01:22:44):
hard to get a beat on as it's sanctioned by Bloomberg,
but it's a little weaker.

Speaker 13 (01:22:48):
Globally, equities have been very resilient.

Speaker 27 (01:22:51):
The only interesting thing I call out there is while
US Ozzie and New Zealand markets are near flat, Europe
is a decent amount weaker because it's more exposed to
an oil price shop as it relies more heavily on
imported oil, and it's simply closer to the situation and
oil is probably.

Speaker 13 (01:23:05):
Worth thirty seconds.

Speaker 27 (01:23:07):
It's still up fifteen percent from this time last week,
so it hasn't calmed down, and that's because it ran
itself was five percent of global oil exports, which is meaningful,
especially when you considered that the oil market is always
one percent either side of being in balance. And then
of course people are pricing in a small probability that
the conflict escalates in the Middle East, accounts for fifty

(01:23:28):
percent of global oil exports.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
SAM In the past, when we've had similar situations like this,
how have the markets responded?

Speaker 27 (01:23:37):
Yes, So you and I talked in February twenty twenty
two when Russia invaded Ukraine, and we talked in October
twenty twenty three when Harmus attacked Israel and the market
did not behave the way everyone thought it would back then.
So with Ukraine, the main impact was expected to be
European gas prices or energy prices, because remember europe gas

(01:24:02):
prices face the perfect storm of the threat of Russian
supplies being cut off and a lack of alternatives. However,
after an initial spike, European gas prices fell eighty percent
from their peaks, driven by excess supply of a demand. Equally,
after the Harmless attacks, oil prices did rise ten percent initially,
but a month or two later they were much lower.
So the pointers markets typically overreact in the short term,

(01:24:24):
but normalizing the medium term. And when it comes to commodities,
there's that famous saying that the best cure for high
commodity prices is high commodity prices. In other words, oil
spikes higher at the margin that will slow demand and
at the margin that'll encourage a marginal barrel of oil
into the market.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Interesting. Yeah, and so what does this all mean for investors?

Speaker 27 (01:24:43):
Then it just really hard to You shouldn't construct your
long term portfolio based around these painful events.

Speaker 13 (01:24:50):
It's they're really hard to predict.

Speaker 27 (01:24:52):
And if we zoom out, what drives equity markets over
the medium term is corporate earnings growth and economic growth
which drives corporate growth is still fairly solid, as you
and I have been discussing the last few weeks, and
Power said overnight, the US jobs market is still robust.

Speaker 13 (01:25:07):
But the final point I'll make here, and.

Speaker 27 (01:25:09):
You and I have been discussing this for a couple
of weeks, is the twenty two percent bounce in the
US equity market the last few weeks means the risks
are now a little bit more balanced.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
From here, Aunte Josh, Hey, thank you very much. Sam,
appreciate and enjoy your long weekend. That Sam Dickie a Fisher.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Funds Heather Duplusyl on the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Israel Iran conflict. The thing is spilled over into the
internet now, which actually, to be honest, is just what
happens now in modern warfare, isn't it. So There's been
a cyber attack against a major Iranian bank. A pro
Israel hacking group has claimed responsibility for that. There's reportedly
been a full scale cyber attack on Iran's critical infrastructure.
Iran news media are blaming Israel for that. That was

(01:25:48):
on Tuesday. Then on Wednesday, which is yesterday, there was
an attack on an Iranian crypto exchange. The pro Israel
hack has claimed that one as well. There are claims
that Israel. Iran rather has endured more than six and
seven hundred distributed denial of service attacks DEDOS attacks over
the last over the past three days, and as a result,

(01:26:09):
Iran has basically implemented temporary internet restrictions just to be
able to cope with all this. There's like so much
internet traffic they've had to restrict what people have been
able to do. So the experience for the average Iranian
is they're trying to get on the internet that they
are having real trouble getting on. Their VPNs aren't working,
their banking services are not working properly, and it's hard
to know whether that is because the Israelis are doing
things or because the Iranians are restricting the access in

(01:26:31):
order to cope with what the Israelis are doing. Now
the Prime Minister's trip to China my very very cool.
ZESPRI signed an agreement to try to double experts to China.
That's very cool. The other thing I think is really
cool is this win that we've got with the direct
flights that are going to be going to Buenosardes again.
So I feel like this is something that Wayne Brown

(01:26:52):
was pretty keen on for a while there. I don't
know that he necessarily wanted to go to Argentina. Maybe
he wanted to go to Chile, but either way, you
wanted to fly basically China Auckland and then you know,
have US as as a little bit of a destination
just away point, and then off you go to South America.
China Eastern Airlines has announced they're going to be flying
two flights a week Shanghai to Auckland, stop in Auckland,

(01:27:14):
then onwards to Buenos Aares in Argentina. This is pretty
much almost there, but the Argentina Argentinians need to just
clear some regulatory hurdles in order to make this happen.
If this does happen, if this does happen. It is
fantastic because we need to go more to Argentina. If
you haven't been to Argentina, it's you probably not have
thought to put this on your bucket list, but you
should put this on your bucket list. I went there

(01:27:36):
accidentally a few years ago. When I say accidentally, it
was I was I was young, in carefree. You know,
had lots of you know, expendable what do you call
that when you can just spend it?

Speaker 21 (01:27:47):
Disposable?

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Thank you, that's the word. Late in the day, late
in the week, it's a Friday, you know, just lots
of disposable income, disposable income, lots of that, lots of that,
not a lot of English. I had a lot of time,
I had a lot of money. I was having a
great time, and we didn't know where to go. We
were planning to go to the States, and then I
passport got lost in a renovation and we couldn't do that,

(01:28:09):
and so the easiest thing to do was and that
had the visa in it. So as a result, we'd
just be like, I get a new passport, white, wish
we go, Let's go to Argentina. So we went to Argentina.
Absolutely the best trip I've ever done. Had such a
wonderful time for a start. Great for us, not great
for them. The currency, the exchange rate is just out
the gate. Good for us. You can go to Argentina.

(01:28:29):
You can go to some of the best restaurants in
the world and it will cost you maybe one hundred
bucks for two people. If that like it is, this
is this is the kind of meal that you would
pay multiple hundreds of dollars for in New Zealand. You
can go there for super cheap drink, fantastic wine. They're
really good on the red wine. Have fantastic steaks. You
think a South African can do a steak, you need

(01:28:50):
to try a steak done by an Argentinian. And that's
not to mention the scenery. The Aguazu falls on the
border there between Brazil and Argentina. Just wow, beautiful. And
of course she can live like a king. You can
stay in the best hotel because it's so cheap. So anyway,
I'm very excited for everybody who's going to be able
to go to Buenosaridre's obviously not me. I have babies now,
but in time I will join. I'll see you there.

(01:29:12):
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
on the business now with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Maya's
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Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Fourteen away from seven. Indo Brady is our UK correspondent. Heyinda, Hey, Heather,
Great again. What's this emergency meeting about? Ree Israel?

Speaker 17 (01:29:38):
So Keir Starmer is weighing up his options really and
he likes to be organized. So I think what he's
expecting is a phone call from Donald Trump asking permission
to use a joint UK US air base in the
Chagos Islands called Diego Garcia. That is where the biggest
aircraft the United States have will take off from. And

(01:29:59):
if they are going to u a bunker buster bomb
to wipe out these nuclear facilities that the Iranians have
in a place called four to do, that's where the
aircraft will have to take off from. So Starmer is
getting organized. Out of the blue. He called this emergency
meeting yesterday afternoon, a couple of hours long. They call
it cobra normally it means there's like a domestic threat

(01:30:21):
or incident and they go into it all sounds very dramatic.
Cobra Cabinet office briefing room A. That's how anodyne it
actually is. So Starmer went in there and he had
his defense and security people with him. They're weighing up options,
and I guess as well, you know, there could also
be the feasibility of perhaps the Americans asking for refueling

(01:30:43):
options at raf A criterion Cyprus. So he's quite adamant.
I think that the Americans are going to get involved
and they may ask for some British support.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Well, yeah, so if you believe the Wall Street Journal,
and I have no reason not to, then Donald Trump
has already approved the plan. It just needs his final
go ahead. In which case is Starmer just doing this
on the in case or are they actually getting all
their ducks in a row and then they're gonna pullpen.

Speaker 17 (01:31:11):
Now I think Starmer hasn't been told anything in advance.
That much was clear. They went to the G seven,
and everything that has happened subsequently I think has blindsided Europe.
So all of the people I've spoken to this week
on my TV show, no European leaders were informed whatsoever.
They've been completely taken out of the loop. And everything

(01:31:33):
that's happening with Israel and America. Nobody in Europe has
a heads up. So Starmer, as much as he's probably
the only person in Europe that has any influence or
that Trump would even listen to, Starmer knew nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Why has Europe been taken out of the loop.

Speaker 17 (01:31:52):
I think in recent weeks the relationship with Israel, certainly
in the UK, has deteriorated. Starmer decided to say, sanctioned
two very senior Israeli ministers over appalling comments they made
about the people in Gaza. So Smodrich and Ben Gevere
have been sanctioned by the UK government. That did not
go down well in Tel Aviv, did not go down

(01:32:14):
well with Net and Yahoo, and you know, the people
were saying that the UK is now anti Semitic, you know,
the usual rhetoric we get from Israel every single time
something happens that they don't like Starmar. It took him
a long long time to sanction these two guys, but
he did it, and I think that has really upset
the Israeli government. So you know, the UK has backed

(01:32:38):
Israel to the hilt for decades and now it's no
longer considered to be a reliable ally.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Okay, interesting, Hey this body that's been found in the
London explosion. Hell is a body in the London explosion
also stabbed. This looks Dodgies all hell, doesn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:32:56):
Yes, it does. And a man in his forties has
now been arrested on suspicion of murder. So the emergency
services turned up to what they thought was simply a
terrible gas explosion. They went into the rubble and they
found the body of a woman in her forties, a
married woman with children in her forties. Closer inspection of

(01:33:17):
that body and they realized that it was not as
straightforward as what they initially turned up to expecting she
had been stabbed. And the really appalling irony and all
of this. It's such a tragedy. The lady had been
working helping women who are victims of domestic violence, and
it would now appear that the man arrested was known
to her and that she herself has become a victim

(01:33:39):
of domestic file jes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
That's pretty said, Inda. Thank you, I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
MT.

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Suffering through difficult temperatures in the UK like twenty six
degrees ten away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Either on Argentina the president there is a libertarian that
makes David cem Will seem meek and unprincipled. That's right, actually, Scott,
thank you for pointing that out. You could go there
and see proper libertarianism in action six away from seven. Now, okay,
I don't know if you're aware of this, but there
is actually a reasonable borders dispute going on between Cambodia
and Thailand that has just escalated in the last couple

(01:34:37):
of days to Cambodia banning fruit imports and soap operas
from Thailand. Now, I don't know if you know anything
about Thailand, but Thailand does a great soap opera. So
if Cambodia is cutting off the soap operas, it means
they really are feeling the thing. Anyway, what's happened is
the thing has been going on for ages. Thailand as
imposed some border restrictions. Then Cambodi band thaie films from

(01:35:01):
TV and cinemas. They closed a border checkpoint, they cut
the internet from Thailand some of the bandwidth, and then
both countries shortened the visa shortened the visa stays for
each other's citizens. And then it got to the fruit
in the soap operas. And that's where we're at the moment.
So if you think that the Canadians and the Americans
are having a bit of a spat, you ain't seen
nothing yet. I have a look at Southeast Asia that's interesting. Now.

(01:35:25):
I know you're wonder I haven't admitted this to you,
but I'm reading Jasinda's memoir. Well, because I spent sixty
dollars on it, I have to read it, like. I
can't just buy it and not read it and just
put it there like. And I'm also not one of
those people who just like puts a book on the
bookshelf and to show off I read the thing. So
I've been reading the book and it's actually not that bad.

(01:35:45):
I'm quite enjoying it. I am enjoying the book I've
there's so much and we will talk about this when
I'm finished with the book. But bless her mum, honestly
just had must have had. I just feel for her.
Mum had a difficult, difficult time with just being a
mum and mutapata. Anyway, you're wondering how the book I
know you're wondering how the book is doing. The book
has made number three on the New York Times best

(01:36:06):
Sellers list. Now the producers have are forcing me to
clarify that it's not the actual best sellers list. It's
the sub list, the nonfiction list brackets combined print and ebooks,
so it's like a sublist of a sublist, right, Okay,
So that's where she hit number three. That was the
first week. She has slid somewhat in the second week
she's number fifteen. But she can recover because at the

(01:36:28):
top of the list at the moment is of Bessel
fonder Kok, who is number one and has been on
this list for two hundred and forty seven weeks. So
a recovery is possible.

Speaker 21 (01:36:36):
Answer, welcome to the top, just center.

Speaker 23 (01:36:38):
She's going to stay there for a while, probably cord
It or Mali By Marlon Williams to play us out tonight.
Marlon Williams will be performing at Spark Arena on Saturday
in Auckland.

Speaker 21 (01:36:49):
If yeah, there are.

Speaker 23 (01:36:50):
Still tickets available on ticket Master, and as I understand it,
if you buy a ticket now, you may end up
sitting next to one hither do for Salan and the crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Have I not just been singing this all week long?
Get out of.

Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
He ha ha ha.

Speaker 23 (01:37:07):
See wouldn't you want to say next to that? That
must sounds like a great choice.

Speaker 7 (01:37:10):
I'm gonna jam along to it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Shall I tell the story about Eggy. The husband texts
me this evening. He said, what's going on? Iggy just
said to me, I'm not his father. Marlon william says,
I mean, I love the man's music, but I do
not have that feeling for Marlon Williams. However, obviously my
son things I do. So I'm gonna have to dial

(01:37:32):
that music back. But Mummy's gonna have a wonderful time
with Marlon on Saturday night. Marlon just doesn't know that yet.
MANA have a lovely weekend and we'll see you on Monday.

Speaker 8 (01:37:42):
Us till zibby.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
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