Full Show Podcast: 19 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Oring it's Heather duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming out today.
Is all that budget money for rural health actually going
to make a difference when they're just answ enough doctors.
We'll have a chat to patient voice alts here it
or is Malcolm Mulholland on that commercial gas used. As
it turns out, I'm going to have massive price rises
when their gas contracts run out. Shane Jones will talk
us through that, and we're going to speak to the
lawyer of the man who was forced to replace all

(00:36):
his double glazed windows because of resource rules.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
This weekend gave me the perfect example of why I
don't watch rugby anymore. It was the Mowana pacifica Blues game,
and it was the try that wasn't allowed. So what
happened is the ma Wona PACIFICA hooker puts the ball
down in the fifty fifth minute at the far end
of the park and it looks like a try, right,
It looks case closed like a try. But then what
happens is at the TMO goes back to something that

(01:02):
happened almost exactly a full minute earlier, and it had
been multiple passes and kicks since then, and when he
sees what he sees, he doesn't allow the try because
what happened is the bloke running up this side of
the park put his foot on the line. Now a
full minute had passed since that infringement when that passed
the ball, as I say, multiple times, it kicked the ball,
But because he put his foot on the line ages ago,

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try isn't allowed.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I don't know whether the TMO saw it happened at
the time, or whether it went back through the entire
attacking phase to check that the try was legit. Ultimately,
I suppose it doesn't really matter because it ended up
where it ended up. Now, this isn't a complaint about
whether the TMO was right, because actually the TMO was right.
The rules say that if something like this happens in
the attacking phase, it disqualifies the try. What this is

(01:49):
is a complaint about the rules, because that's a bad rule,
a rule that lets the TMO sift through phases and
phases of a game and minutes and minutes of the
attacking setup to see if there is a reason, is
just any old reason to disqualify the try. That is
a bad rule because it takes all the fun out
of the game, doesn't it. I mean, how many times have
you watched to try and rugby and not got excited
when you see the ball go down because you go,

(02:10):
hold on, let's just see what the TMO has got
to say about this first. Well, that's not how a
game should be. That's not fun, that's boring, that's technical.
If I want to watch technical, I'll watch chess. Not
watching that, am I'm watching rugby. And this is my
problem with rugby. Now I realize other people who are
not tuning in anymore will have a whole bunch of
other reasons. Probably maybe it's the boring competition structure. Maybe

(02:31):
it's the fact that they're resting all blacks. Maybe it's
the head knock rules. Whatever it is, My problem is
that I am sick of watching the TMO use the
rules to find a reason to scratch tries. And that
is why I didn't watch this game either. I read
about it the next.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Day together due for cl nine two nine two is.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
The text number, standard text fees applay. Now. News out
of the US, of course, is that Joe Biden has
been diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer that has spread
to his bones. In a statement, his office said that
the eighty two you're eighty two year old rather was
diagnosed on Friday. Channel nine US correspondent Jonathan Kurzley is
with us now. Hey, Jonathan Heather, Hello to you and

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the listeners. Now, he's been set at a level I'm
guessing it's out of ten. At a nine, that sounds bad,
is it?

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Yeah, it's deeply worrying for the president and for his family.
We heard this statement come out of his personal office
a few hours ago now, and it talked about this
sort of Gleason scale, which is, as you say, out
of ten, he sits at a nine confirmed yet prostate
cancer that was diagnosed on Friday, US time. It's two

(03:38):
days ago from now. They'd found a nodule in his
prostate last week when he went for a check. It
was obviously examined and tested, and it's come back with
what is very very serious news. It is prostate cancer
that is aggressive. It is also, as you said, spread
to his bones. Now medical experts are saying that he

(04:00):
is not a good sign. Combine that with the Gleason
scale level of nine, you're looking at a cancer that
is not durable, but treatable. It is manageable. So the
question now for Joe Biden and his family is the
path forward. What sort of treatment options do they want
to go through? What sort of treatment options are open
to them, and so that's the key question they're going

(04:22):
to have to decide on now. For the eighty two
year old who had questions obviously over his health his
mental acuity while he was in office, and now two
days before a book is set to be released about
those very concerns, and a book that is set to
be damning, he has confirmed the very sad news that

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he has what is a very aggressive form of prostate cancer.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
So what are the treatment options available to him.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Well, there's some immunotherapy options that are open to him
as a possible way forward. His office is also saying
that this is responding to could respond to hormone style treatment,
so that is essentially suppressing the testosterone in his system.
That's what medical experts are saying, and it was interesting
the statement that came out from his office said that

(05:11):
the form of cancer he has seems to be able
to or can respond to, that hormone management, that hormone
treatment as a level of managing this cancer. So that
may well be a path forward, and that may well
be an indication of which way Joe Biden goes down
for this treatment. We've certainly seen a flood of support
come in from right across the political divide. Barack Obama,

(05:34):
Kamala Harris, who was of course his vice president, and
US President Donald Trump put out a very presidential style statement,
if you like, to say that he was saddened by
the news of the diagnosis of the former president and
hoped for a speedy recovery. So clearly there are a
lot of thoughts going to the former president now as

(05:54):
he faces what is going to be a very very
difficult and serious challenge for him.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Jonathan, I read somewhere that you know, as you say,
you never really kill this kind of cancer, especially at
the stage and how serious it doesn't want us in
your bones. You just basically manage it, and management would
suggest four to five years of life left. Is that
about right?

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, I'd rather leave it to the doctors to work
out the exact prognosis as to how long the former
president has a range of medical experts that are speaking today,
they're not treating the former president. They don't know. What
they're all saying is that each individual cancer case is
of its own. There are generalizations that can be made,
but there are specifics that apply to certain individuals. You

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do have to look at Joe Biden's age and say
he's eighty two. That adds another layer of concern. The
fact that it's spread to his bones. Yes, that's also
a concern, But I think we're best off waiting to
hear exactly from his offers from his doctors as to
how long they may well have given him. Clearly there
was a reason why they didn't state that. Today they

(06:57):
are obviously looking at treatment options and not wanting to
talk negatively about it, but there are certainly going to
be questions about how long could Joe Biden potentially push
through this. I was having a look at the numbers today.
It's estimated that there's going to be some three hundred
thousand plus Americans diagnosed with prostate cancer this year alone.
Thirty five thousand of those are estimated will die. So

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you're looking at a ten percent rate, where people do
not make it for this type of cancer. You then
have to bear in mind while there's different varying levels
of it. Clearly this one has been caught very late.
It's been caught very aggressively. The last full annual check
up Joe Biden had as president as commander in chief

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was in February of last year, when his doctor Kevin
O'Connor said he was in a very fit condition. Clearly
something has happened in that timeframe. Clearly there has been
a Jonathan Cherish development.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm getting a lot of texts along these lines. How
is it that somebody who is having regular and presumably
thorough and your check ups only spotted when it's like
well advanced.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
I think these are the questions that right now, rightly
are being asked. Is this clearly wasn't being portrayed in
his annual report.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Last year. There was.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
A statement put out a few years ago after one
of his annual checkups that described polyps being found in
his prostate. Again, that was the same doctor Kevin O'Connor.
That was back in twenty twenty one, so that would
have been his first check up after coming into office.
When he would have gone down to Walter Read and
gone through this medical scenario of going through all of

(08:36):
the screening and testing and everything else that are presidential's
annual checkup goes through.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
But you do have to look.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
At the timing now and go, okay, well, his last
full checkup was February of last year. You're now looking
at May twenty twenty five, and all of a sudden,
there is a very aggressive prostate cancer in there.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Now.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
It may well also be a reminder and a message
to men right across the board to say, if you're
a certain age, go get yourself checked. And I think
it certainly props those warnings as well. But clearly there
are huge concerns now for the former president. We've seen
some insinuations from Donald Trump Junior suggesting that this may

(09:14):
well have been covered up the entire time, and it's
interesting seeing that statement compared to the one from Donald
Trump Junior's father. But certainly Joe Biden has a very
very difficult and very very serious challenge ahead of him
over the course of the next weeks and months.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Jonathan's good to talk to you. Thank you for that, mate,
appreciate it. As Jonathan Cursley Channel nine US correspondent. Coming
up seventeen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
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Speaker 3 (09:46):
Nineteen past four. Jason pine sports talk host with me
Hat Piney. Hello, Heather Bye, Auckland FC. I mean, come on,
they're going to do it, aren't they?

Speaker 7 (09:54):
I think they are. Do you know what was exactly
seven months ago today they played their first game. If
you can go back seven months, any body really expect
that they would be one game away from the Grand
Final seven months later? I mean, here we are over
in Melbourne on Saturday night, really professional performance, another clean sheet,
a goal when it was needed. They did what had

(10:14):
to be done. So now all they have to do
is avoid defeat back home this coming Saturday in front
of what will be a magnificent crowd, and then the
following week King's Birthday weekend they host the Grand Final.
It's I don't think fairy tales the right word. It's
just an extremely good sporting story and you've got to
give credit to everybody involved.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I reckon, jeez, I mean what happens after this, Like
if you imagine if they actually win the thing in
their first outing. Then from here on in, what do
the fans expect? I mean, the fans are going to
have extremely high.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
Bars, Yeah, very high bar.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
They probably think, you know, new fans to walk onto
the f C probably think, oh, this is what sports
fandom is. You know, it's up on board a team
and it's all sunshine and rainbows. Yeah, but look, all
sporting teams go through peaks and troughs, don't.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
They only downhill from here, piney.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
So that's the cliche.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
It's all downhill from here. Look, I think it's Look,
let's enjoy the next couple of weeks, shall we, and
then and then worry about next season when next season
rolls around.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
You're right here. We are like glass half full. So
they can't win the first year, hey, pineyo. Seriously though,
So let's say that they actually win it, then presumably
the tickets Then then we can confirm the location for
the Grand Final. Would it be at Mount Smart?

Speaker 7 (11:23):
It will definitely be at Mount Smart, And then the.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Tickets must go go and seal pretty much immediately, I would.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
Say, be Monday. Yeah, they probably do a members members
only kind of thing Sunday to Monday lunchtime, I would say,
and then general of the mission after that. So yeah,
it's only a short windows day, it will, it will,
And they've had an extra seats of course, thirty thousand
I think, or knocking on thirty thousand for the semi,
a few more for the final. But yeah, hotcakes, I
mean it'll be hottest, hottest ticket in town.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Yeah, and Mowana pacificate, how impressed. I'm very impressed with them.
You hear a bit about how the Blues kind of,
you know, weren't that much a fan so much of
having another team in their city and made it apparently
so look interesting narratives. But Ardie Savier one of the
all time great individual performances.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Man. Well, if one guy can transform a team, it's
that man. Incredible stuff from him. Well, they make the six.
They might still pretty tough from here with a couple
of big games to come, but they play like they
did the other night, every chance.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Brilliant stuff. Hey Piney has always loved talking to you.
Thank you, mate, Jason Pine Sports talk host Heather I'm
sixty seven. I've got aggressive prostate cancer which has gone
into my bones. I've been given three to five years.
I'm on the hormones treatment which has dropped my PSA
from sixty five down to six, which is good. And
then I start chemo and radiation in October. Biden will
probably go through a similar treatment for his Paul. Thank
you and best of luck to you, Paul. And dealing

(12:37):
with that jevn mc skimming. Can let me tell you
about that next four.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Twenty two getting the facts, discarding with fluff, it's Heather
Duplassy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
news talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Be hey very quickly, as you know. On a Monday
post cabinet press conference is taking place with the Prime Minister.
The Prime Minister has just indicated that he and then
National Party support the Privileges Committee punishment that was handed
down to the Marty Party. Remember there's been a debate
as to whether this is too harsh or not for
the Marty Party. It's twenty one days suspended from the
House and it is twenty one days without pay, they

(13:14):
have said. Chris Luxon has said that the National Party
basically will be voting for the twenty one days. There
will be no compromise.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
On this.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
Sessions the Privileges Committee.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Made that decision.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Right, you can't hear that. Let me fix it. Let
me let me get my technical hat on and fix
that for you, and I will play that for you
when I can get that fixed. In the meantime, twenty
five passed for Jevin mcskimming. Interesting thing has happened here
with Jevin mcskimming. Now you will be aware of this case, right.
This is the former top cop who has resigned because
objectionable material was allegedly found on his computer. He has

(13:52):
none of us. I didn't know this, You didn't know this.
He was granted a superinjunction on Friday. So what happened
is his lawyer, Linda Clark, went to the High Court
to prevent any of the newspapers from printing what was
on his computer. So on Friday there was a there
was an injunction put on them being able to print it,
and then there was also an injunction placed on the
fact that there was an injunction. So media couldn't report

(14:14):
what the objectional objectionable material was, but nor could they
even report that they had been gagged. That's called a
superinjunction that was granted on an interim basis by justin
Karen grow Now, the injunction is opposed by ourselves en
z ME that's the Herald and Newstalk ZEBI Radio New
Zealand and stuff. There was a High Court teleconference hearing
this afternoon today and Linda Clark no longer sought for

(14:37):
the superinjunction to remain in place, which meant that the
fact that it's a secret was lifted. But the injunction
which prevents us finding out what the objectionable material was,
that remains in place for now. That will be determined
at another High Court hearing at a future data doesn't
appear that the date has been set just yet. But anyway,
the longer this has got the Barbra streisand effect about it,
hasn't it, don't you think? The old the more you

(15:01):
talk about it, the more I want to know what's
going on situation? Do you know what I mean? We're
all going to be chuning in for what that objectionable
material is when we find out, isn't it. Anyway? Listen,
we will go to I'll get you that audio so
we can actually hear what Christopher Luxman had to say.
We will go to Jason Walls and politics, Who's been
sitting in the post cabinet press conference for us. We'll

(15:22):
be doing that in twenty minutes, and then I've got
to run you through why that money for rural doctors
may actually not be the thing that you think it is.
Therewith headline snacks.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Whoa Jason was that you?

Speaker 4 (15:43):
No?

Speaker 10 (15:43):
It wasn't me, but I am ready I thought, why
is he screaming?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And then he started playing songs and I thought.

Speaker 10 (15:48):
Why does he sound so much like lizard?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
That's so strange, I know, but it was a wonderful
impersonation anyway, Jason, Thanks, That was jazzy Jason Wall's new
Still Z'd be political editor because otherwise it was going
to be quite dull talking about the budget, wasn't it?
And talking about the budget but not being able to
talk about it.

Speaker 10 (16:05):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of It's a bit of
a strange situation we're in right now because the government
will tell us all we can't talk about what's in
budget day until budget day because of budget day in
terms of sensitivity around it, until they have something that
they want to announce and they want to get it
out ahead of time, and today it was all about this.
These changes to over the next four years to make

(16:25):
it easier for investments in New Zealand infrastructure and making
it easy for startups to attract and retain high quality staff.
So apparently, according to Nicola Willis, New Zealand's thin capitalization
rules which limit the amount of tax deductible debt that
foreign investors can put into New Zealand investments. So the
purpose of these rules is to prevent income being shifted

(16:46):
offshore and to protect New Zealand's tax base. So that
was the purpose of these rules. However, Nicola Willis says
that there is a risk that these rules may be
deterring investments, partially in capital tentsive infrastructure projects that are
typically funded by large amounts of debts. So she's sixty
five million dollars to change those rules. So we'll see

(17:08):
over the next coming days.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Sixty million dollars for changing rules for I'll tell you what.

Speaker 10 (17:13):
I was thinking the same thing, because it shouldn't cost
that much money, right, But I'm sure that there is
some behind the scenes detail. I mean, know how much
it cost to do consultation these days. Hopefully not that much.
But we'll see, as I said, over the next coming days,
because I've got some of questions of my own on
that one. But meanwhile, Nikola Willis was all about the
fiscal repair job when she was outlining these changes this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (17:35):
The last government effectively left the kitty bear worse than
that and serious overdraft and New Zealand is now running
out of credit cads.

Speaker 10 (17:46):
So expect to hear phrases like that quite a bit
of the coming days.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I'd say, hey, listen, so this departy Maudi debate kicking
off tomorrow, do we know? I mean, it's very I
would have assumed very clear National and New Zealand first
and acts vote for the Privileges Committee the punishment as
it stands. But what about Labor, Well, let me not
have Yeah, we do.

Speaker 10 (18:07):
Labor have said the punishment that has been dished out
from the it hasn't be dished out, Rather that it
has been recommended from the Privileges Committee is too harsh essentially,
and so they're going to be arguing against it. But
there's a lot up in the air tomorrow. I mean,
the first thing that we'll start with what we do now.
We do know that Tea Party Marty have put on

(18:27):
Facebook that the public gallery will be closed tomorrow. So
if you're going, if you're wanting to come along in person,
unless you're a member of the Press Gallery who sits
in our little Press Gallery balcony, you're not allowed in
Parliament to watch the debate. Now, I'm not really surprised
because there have been many times when heckling or jeering
from the public has forced Parliament's business to be halted.
So this is according to an email that Tea Party

(18:48):
Marty have leaked on their Facebook, and we've seen in
the past what they tend to leak tends to be
actually the truth. So essentially what we have tomorrow is
a limitless debate and MPs can get up as many
times as they would like to make speeches while they're
debating if they want to see these recommendation the twenty
one days for example, if they think that that's too long.
If you're a government MP, you're probably getting quite worried

(19:10):
how close this is to the budget. But the Prime
Minister said today that no deals have been done to
make sure that this debate wraps up sooner.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Our informational party open to concessions though otherwise this could
drag on no much, You're not open to conceal.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
The Privileges Committee make that decision.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
They are empowered.

Speaker 12 (19:27):
We have representatives as every party does in the Privileges Committee,
and the determination from the Privilege Committee we support.

Speaker 10 (19:33):
So we went on to say that they talked about
this in caucus and twenty one days is what the
Nats think is fair. So does he have any reservations
at all about any of this? Yeah, not worried that.

Speaker 12 (19:41):
This debate is just going to stretch on for hours
and hours, potentially days and days, and you've got a
budget coming up on Thursday.

Speaker 13 (19:46):
Well, I just say that's the choice of the opposition
to actually fill a bus to that. That's up to them,
so be it, and I think.

Speaker 10 (19:52):
They probably will. If it is the choice of Tipati
Marti between potentially not being their own budget day because
they're about to be suspended, or are having a couple
of long debates that last into the night. I think
I know which one I'd be picking if I was.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
The question question though, because I'm not clear on this,
does this debate have to wrap up by two pm
on Thursday when the budget is delivered or can it
simply pause, have the budget, deal with the budget, and
then resume again.

Speaker 10 (20:18):
And I know you're gonna hate me for this. I
don't actually know, and that's why we need to We'll
get Chris Bishop, who's the Leader of the House, tomorrow
morning to explain these things to us, because this is
and I know you're hit sick of hearing it. It
is quite unprecedented. You would think that that would be
the case, but you never know. I mean, there could
be some quirk of the system which means that it
technically you can't start, you can't make move a new

(20:39):
motion until the motion that is on the floor has
been agreed to or disagreed to. So I'll let you
know as soon as I know. But heck, it's all
up in the air.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
All right, Jason, Thanks very much, Jason woll News talks.
There'd be political letters. I'll tell you what. We don't
have to wait talk tomorrow to talk to Chris Bishop.
We'll talk to Nikola Willis about it tonight. Find out
from her whether this debate has to wrap up before
the budget. Find out from her why I take sixty
five million dollars to change rules and she's with us
as per usual on a Monday after six light away
from five.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
Find listens in the studio. Let's get back to the
budget without giving it away. I get all of that,
hundreds of millions of dollars for the film industry. Fantastic.
You've got money yesterday for Regent. Where's it all coming from?
We have said very clearly that we can invest in
economic growth. It's either borrowed or you've got it from somewhere.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Which is it?

Speaker 9 (21:26):
Well, again, I'm not going to get why can't you
give us that right?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
We're making some serious investments.

Speaker 14 (21:31):
Now.

Speaker 9 (21:31):
I know you're making investments, but I want to know
where you're getting the dough from. That will be revealed
on because if you're borrowing it, I'm not going to
be happy next week.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Well that's fine.

Speaker 9 (21:37):
We'll have that conversation next week, will we. So you
are borrowing, I say we're borrowing. I'm not going to
give you a keeping on this, and it's going to
be a very frustrating interview for your listeners. Back tomorrow
at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with the Rain
drove of the lah News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
There pretty funny that the Marti Party are disdainful of
Parliament's rules until it hits their back pockets, and now
Parliament's rules of filibuster and process are really important. Loell Glenn,
you make a very good point. Thank you. Listen. Commercial,
this was entirely predictable and was predicted. But commercial users
of gas are being told they are going to have
unsustainable prices this year when the gas contracts run out.

(22:12):
So we have a little chat to Shane Jones about
that after five o'clock. Are you ready for it? Trigger warning,
just cinder given the address at Yale University's graduation ceremony.

Speaker 14 (22:24):
That thing that.

Speaker 15 (22:25):
Moves you to tears when you see the pain of others,
it can also be what drives you to action, the
reason you seek to make change, the thing that motivates
you to keep going in difficult or trying circumstances. In fact,
all of those traits that you might have believed your
whole life were weaknesses. Questioning yourself, the doubt that brings

(22:47):
humility or sensitivity that comes with empathy may just be
what the world needs more of, or maybe not.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Also, Ah she talked a little bit about imposter syndrome.

Speaker 15 (23:00):
Perhaps what they don't expect is that I often talk
about something else. I talk about imposter syndrome because I
have had it for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I have to say it right, it's because
you were an imposter. Like, let's be honest. Imposter syndrome
that it doesn't apply. Imposter syndrome is for people who
are awesome at their jobs, but like tell themselves that
they are not. Do you know what I mean? Imposter
syndrome is when you're there, you're like, I don't know
that I'm actually good at this, but you actually are.
But in just in this case, she had imposter syndrome,

(23:32):
she's completely out of her depth. That happens. I mean,
if you make if you said to her verse fifteen kid,
go play for the all Blacks, they also would have
imposter syndrome for good reason. Can somebody call? Can plus
somebody please call to Cinder and just tell her that
just if somebody loves her, they stop talking about it
because everybody else is thinking, no, it wasn't imposter syndrome,

(23:53):
that was just you being aware of how crap you
were at your job. Anyway, all that money for rural health,
is it actually gonna make a differ diference? Probably not,
because we don't have enough doctors. We'll discuss that next.
We can go forever till you listen out.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Questions, answers are facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One
New Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Afternoon. There are questions over whether the budget fundings were
more access to twenty four to seven urgent care clinics
will actually help if there aren't enough doctors to staff
the hospital's Patient Voice outs Here at Or has published
an extensive list of the rural hospitals around the country
that are an urgent need of doctors, and some, it
turns out, have none at all. Malcolm or Holland's chair
of Patient Voice outs here Or. Hey, Malcolm, Hi, Heather, Malcolm.

(24:49):
If we don't have doctors to keep these places running,
then what is the money going to do?

Speaker 12 (24:54):
Precisely, I don't have an answer to that. I mean,
I assume that they are looking to employ nurse practitioners,
nurse prescribers and nurses. But even then you're going to
run into some problems because they're not going to be
able to diagnose every condition, and many of them will
have to be referred on to the local ED.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
What about the paramedics, because apparently they will start at two.

Speaker 12 (25:16):
Yeah, I mean again, paramedics are probably great in dealing
with heart attacks and the like, but they're not trained
to doctors. And this is the problem that we've got.
Whether we're looking at GPS or specialists who operate within
our hospitals, we simply do not have enough.

Speaker 16 (25:31):
How short are we Well, we're very short when it
comes to GPS right now, we're about five hundred short,
and in a decade or just under will be one
thousand short, and we only produce one hundred and thirty
and one hundred and forty.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
So, operating on the assumption that every single GP stays
in the country, we're still looking at five or so
years to catch up to our current shortage that we're
exact right now.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Is that a realistic way to work it out, because
obviously not all our doctors stay here. Actually, we do
recruit quite a fair a few from overseas, don't.

Speaker 12 (26:02):
We We do, and that is fear. But we have
to look at why we're not being competitive on the
international market, and that is simply because we don't pay
our doctors enough. We know that they can earn two
to three times more going to Australia and other parts
of the world.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Malcolm, is it? I mean, if you're turning up to
one of these rural twenty four seven clinics and you're
seeing a nurse practitioner or you're seeing a prescribing nurse.
We were seeing a paramedic. That is not a health
compromising situation, is it?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (26:33):
It is, and we've had reports of that. So when
I recently went up to the Far North, I meet
a lady whose husband had suffered a stroke. They presented
to the edy department in Clytire. They were given a
telehealth appointment with a doctor in America who told just
monitor your husband. The husband's condition deteriorated and rather than

(26:55):
taking them back to Clytire, she actually had to take
him through to Auckland.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Okay, Malcolm, thanks very much, appreciate your time.

Speaker 17 (27:01):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Malcolm wall Holland patient voice outsiad or a chair. As
I said, he has put on an extensive list of
rural hospitals advertising for locums. Now, when it says open
to any availability, it basically means the hospital is an
extreme need of one or more loan locums. Dargaville open
to any availability, fung A Nui, same Gisbon, same Southland,
same Bay of Islands open to availability, Ashmerton open to availability,

(27:23):
Gore open to availability. From May Westport contact for details.
To mat and Nui, contact for details, talk it or
soon for Katani needed for seventy one ed shifts from
May to July, Tens sixty seven shifts from May to August,
Kaitaia sixty five shifts from July to December, and it
just goes on and on, and some hospitals and they've
pointed out our dargable Bay of Islands, Kaitaia no doctors,

(27:44):
so when you get there, you just get put on
a zoom call basically to somebody five eleven Heather do
for see Allen. Now, on the gas, it's being predicted
that gas prices are now so high that commercial users
will have to give it up altogether. Customers with contracts
expiring are either not being offered new contracts at all
or are having to pay a lot more for their
gas Shane Jones is the Associate Energy Minister.

Speaker 18 (28:03):
Hey, Shane Hi Greening's folks, what.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
A commercial news is going to do.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well?

Speaker 18 (28:11):
This whole area needs a major circuit breaker, obviously, because sadly,
since twenty eighteen and nineteen, when the curtain came down
on the industry, people stopped drilling. People lost confidence that
there would be no future with this fossil fuel in
New Zealand, which is why I'm reversing the ban and

(28:35):
exploring other interventions.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
To year and a half, have you made any headway?

Speaker 18 (28:43):
The difficulty is convincing foreigners and convincing the existing industry
that a future government will not smash smash it tibits. Look,
the reality is we don't have gas. We're going to
have coal. Okay, the other on a mountain of coal
it hun.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Or We've been traversing these arguments for ages. What happens now?
What happens to a commercial gas Let's say a commercial
gas user has a contract that expires at the end
of this month. What do they do.

Speaker 18 (29:14):
Well? This household gas And obviously, despite the best efforts
of the Climate Change Commission in there and one views
that people that are at a household level have to
move away from gas. The reality is we are not
creating and producing enough gas from methodex well. Methodics have
already closed down a number of their gas lines.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Now the commercial available commercial gas users simply have to
move to electricity or something else.

Speaker 18 (29:40):
Right, Well, if you just back to what was the
thinking behind Megan Woods and to Cinder, that is what
they wanted. They wanted to close the gas industry. It's
going to take a bit longer before we can get
more gas out of the ground because it's going to
cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
All right, By the way, what changed do you want
to see to Acts Regulatory Regulatory Standards Bill?

Speaker 18 (30:05):
A Look, we're going to trust in the quality of
the Select Committee proceedings. When select committees work well, there
are a source of great insight and clarity, and that
particular bill will no doubt go through a refining process
at the Select Committee and when it comes back will

(30:27):
make a call as to the quality of the work
that was carried out by the selectivity.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Okay, thank you, Shane, appreciate it. Shane Jones, Associate Energy Minister.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Heather do for sy Ellen, Seriously, hither.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I need more than three seconds after the trigger warning
to turn the vacuous Harvard speaker off. That's Justina, by
the way, Hither, it's extremely dangerous to broadcast into Ardurne
praising herself during peak hours while we're driving home. Sorry, Hither,
I loathe ardurn Hither, I just turned you off for
the rest of the night. I didn't want to hear that.

Speaker 13 (30:55):
All.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Can't say that word out loud. But I'll tell you
what's not as bad as the C word. But you
know we had to stand. It's just saying Heather did
not show any humility blubble anyway? Have we got to
that place now? Do we need to make it? Do
we stop playing you any just because I am doing
it deliberately to wind you up? You realize that because
everybody needs a little bit of a tickle up on
a Monday morning afternoon, don't we? But have we got

(31:17):
to the place where I've taken it too far? Have
I taken it too far? And when need to just
stop playing? Just cinder. We'll have a text pole on it,
and if it's overwhelming, we'll stop it. But if it's
even thirfty thifty, I'm gonna keep it going full teen
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Speaker 4 (32:32):
Ever do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
I am gonna get in trouble about these texts. I'll
explain in a minute. Anyway. Eighteen past five. Now it
turns out people are stocking up on boxes of butter
at Costco because of the high prices. There's a man
from New Plymouth who apparently is traveling over seven hundred
and fifty kilometers to Costco and Auckland to buy the
butter in bulk and then sell it back to his community.
And there's a video of people buying like boxes, boxes

(32:57):
and boxes of butter at a time. Patrick Noon is
the retired managing director of Costco and he's with us. Now, Hi, Patrick, Hi, Heather,
how are you? I'm well? Thank you. Does this blow
your mind hearing this or is this exactly what you
would expect?

Speaker 13 (33:08):
It was pretty much what I would expect. Costco has
a great model where they have the low margins and
they're honest to that, and from time to time you
say there's one of the fly items come up where
the market's gone a high on price, and Costco can
maintain the price that with their buying power, and all
of a sudden you've got great value in that business.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, so it looks to me like butter. There is
what is it ten dollars a cagey, which seems to
be to be about half the price of butter every
whe else, Because you're paying ten dollars for five hundred
grams elsewhere, aren't you.

Speaker 13 (33:40):
I'm not in New Zealand, so probably what are you paying?

Speaker 19 (33:43):
Where are you?

Speaker 13 (33:45):
I'm in Sydney, sorry, Cya, Australia.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
What do you pay for butter?

Speaker 13 (33:48):
Oh that's a good question. I cann't tell you right now.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
How do you not do the shopping in your household?

Speaker 13 (33:53):
No, Alas, I'm more of a strategic thinker.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
You think you're the strategic thinker, but you try airing
them mental hello to a home and then you tell
yourself you're a here. We don't need to go down
that rabbit hole anyway. How is it that they managed
to when everybody else is paying I think it is
about ten bucks for five hundred grams, and then Costco's
got a ten bucks for kge. How do they do that?

Speaker 13 (34:13):
Well? The two things. One is that they have the
low margin, so they'll be able to off a butt
with low margins. The second thing is that Costco's buying power.
They're likely and I haven't been at Costco for a
year and a half now, but they're likely buying but
a well for worldwide distribution, so they're getting a big
volume break on the cost And is.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
It legit like you're allowed to go in and buy
boxes at a time. They're not going to stop you.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
Not at all. No, they should. There's very limited occations
that would happen. For example, eggs. We did it once
with eggs, I remember, because of the egg shortage in Australia,
and I think they've done that in the US as well.
But most other items that they can supply that commodity,
they'll supply as much as you want to buy.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Brilliant Patrick, thank you very much, really appreciate time. Patrick Noon,
retired Managing director of Costco. Okay, the texts here that
you should play Cindy on the radio continuously just before
the next election. Here the keep playing Cindy, we need
ongoing reminders of her disastrous performance and so on and
so forth. But the majority of the texts are overwhelming.

(35:14):
You've taken it too far, Heather, way too far, massive
trauma here, the stop playing you Cinder here, the stop
it heither too far here, the no more to Cinder here,
the please stop Heather, never play that beep again here?
The keep on ditch the beep definitely no, and just
carries on, just carries on. Now, why I'm going to
be in trouble is because I thought it's going to smattering. Well,
it's gone nuts, isn't it. And I did this once

(35:36):
before to the text machine and it didn't stop. Even
when Marcus started his show. It carried on. It carried
on for three days. Marcus wouldn't talk to me. I'd
emailed Marcus, I'm sorry about what I've done to your
text but she wouldn't talk to me. And you know,
Marcus is a pretty chill guy. He's furious. So anyway,
I may have done the same thing about you, Cinda,
but just goes to show how triggered we are by her. Still.
So what I'm going to say to you is I

(35:58):
am not going to keep to my promise. I said
that if it was overwhelming, don't play hurt, that I
would stop. But I'm not gonna I'm gonna keep on
because I think it's I think it's for the best.
We're all reminded of things five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth talk.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Sa'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I was trying to decide would I have a cup
of tea or would I have wine? And then I
then I heard Cindy. Then my hands shook as I
poured the wine. Tough Times, Janets, Tough Times five twenty five. Hey, listen,
I've got a life tip for you. Grown ups should
not post their opinions on social media. Case in point,

(36:41):
Gary Lineker. Now Gary is about to announce that he's
leaving his job at the BBC because of a social
media post. Now, this in the UK is big news.
Gary's a very very popular host. He's the highest earner
at the BEE because of how popular he as he
gets a salary of about three million New Zealand dollars.
He's a former professional football player. I wager that if
you are anyone in the UK who Gary Lineker is,

(37:02):
they'll be able to tell you. That's how well known
he is, but he just torpedoed his own career, didn't
he by reposting a pro Palestine video on social media
that criticized Zionism and included an illustration of a rat.
Now know your history on this. A rat is an
image that was used in Nazi Germany to characterize Jews

(37:22):
as vermin. You don't get away with that. You got
to know what you're doing right. And the thing about
it is this wasn't even Gary's first mistake. Like first mistake,
you could go, oh, you know, cut the guy, but
a slack. He'd posted about migrant policy, got in trouble,
posted about the Tories, got in trouble, posted about politics
in general, got in trouble. And he'd be given chance
and chants and chants to learn that having a rant

(37:42):
on social media gets you in trouble. But he just
couldn't stop himself when it came to post in that
video in the little image of the rat. Now he's gone.
It is mind blowing to me that in twenty twenty five,
after twenty years of social media and if people get
in trouble, we still have people doing this. I mean,
we had Bussy Galore, the other day. We had Damian
O'Connor last year saying Hamas was justified in what they did.

(38:04):
In October seven to women and children, we had Penny
Hennare posting a picture of David Seymour with poe coming
out of his eyes and a bumhole for a pouth.
These are grown adults, Like It's like kindergarten stuff, isn't it. Ah,
You would think people would think it would learn it's
not worth it. But I guess the dopamine hit that

(38:26):
you get from people loving what you say and narcissism,
those things are strong motivators. It would transpire anyway. Now
here's the thing, this is what I think. Okay, some
people need social media for work influences for example, or
the Marori Party who appear to do all of their
politics there, and politicians who need it for publicity, and
maybe for them the rules are a bit different. Maybe

(38:48):
they just need to stick to the subject at hand.
Like footballers post about football nothing else, Marti Party post
about politics nothing else, and maybe don't tweet after you've
been drinking. But for the rest of us, get off.
Adults do not need social media, Heather do for see
Ellen what happened to bussy Galore. Lord, nothing happened to

(39:08):
bussy Glore. Different standards for the left, you know that.
Don't get wound up about it is just how it
is now. If you haven't caught up on this debate
about the windows in Mount Eden and the resource consent,
you're we're going to talk about this next because somebody
went and put double glazed windows in but they had
the aluminum joinery and if you're Mount Eden, it's a
heritage listed got to have the wooden jordinary. Blah blah blah.

(39:30):
Let's turn into a huge debate. We'll talk to the
lawyer of the chap Heather. Shane Jones has learned well
from Winston, hasn't. He says a lot without saying anything.
I don't know if you noticed it, but Shane came
on this show and said literally nothing. He said nothing.
Shane's going to say nothing. We're not going to have
him on the show. So next time we'll get one
more chance and we'll see how it goes. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with One New Zealand.
Let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
And news talks.

Speaker 12 (40:04):
They'd be here, you and my head when I'm dreaming,
you trying to my dream and brake.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
If you carry on likeness, you're going to jeopardize your
lead listenership. Graham, good from you. That's a good joke.

Speaker 14 (40:22):
I got it too.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Nikola Williss is with us after six o'clock and the
huddle is standing by right now. It's twenty four away
from six Now. Planning rules are back in the spotlight
with the case of a Mount Eden villa and its windows.
The council is forcing the owner of this villa to
take out his newly refurbished windows because they don't comply
with the heritage protections in the area, because the new
windows have aluminium frames when the traditional ones have timber frames,

(40:47):
and the new windows open to the outside rather than
slide upwards like the traditional sash windows. Alex Witten Hannah
is the lawyer for the homeowner and with us. Now, Hey, Alex, hello.

Speaker 17 (40:57):
Heather, right here, you're going to give me a brutal grilling.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Who told you?

Speaker 13 (41:00):
This?

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Is?

Speaker 13 (41:01):
This?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
What they say behind my back?

Speaker 17 (41:03):
It is exactly. I've got to be prepared for it.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Oh well, you're not going to get a brutal grilling
in fact, but I'll talk to Sam about that later.
He shouldn't give away the secrets of the game. Do
you accept, Alex that these are not heritage windows and
like clearly are not heritage windows?

Speaker 17 (41:19):
Well, double glazing, of course it's not a heritage window,
but don't come at me with that.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
You know they're not heritage. They're aluminium and they open
on those hinges to the outside.

Speaker 17 (41:29):
The wooden frame around the windows is the original wooden
framing probably however many years old, seventy five years old
or something. It's the original wooden frames. It's only what
holds the glass together to enable double glazing. That's thin
aluminium strips. You can't see them from the road effectively.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I see. I don't have a problem with the thin Eleomon.
I'm just going to point out, though, you can get
double glazed sash windows and timber right because of rever idea, yes.

Speaker 17 (42:00):
Idea, what the cost of that is? It's a prohibitive
cost of those people.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Not if you actually parallel and pulled them from Australia
via a particular company I can send to you, mate,
if you want to just do his own research on
the Googles, but Alex. The problem with them is not
so much the aluminum. It's the fact that the sash
windows obviously slide upwards. But these guys have a hinge
and they open like like a cheap hostel window, don't
they They look hideous?

Speaker 17 (42:25):
Well, only if you're peering at them, and if you're
driving down the road or walking along the footpath you
don't see them.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Oh I would see it. It would offend my eyes. I
know what a villa looks like, don't you.

Speaker 17 (42:34):
Oh well, in that case, we have to put up
a one point eight meter fence, says of right, and
then you won't see it. You won't be try.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
You're not allowed to put up a one point eight
met defence, are you.

Speaker 17 (42:42):
Of course, you are left to tell them to without approval.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
What about a nice hedge, like a good leafy suburb edge.

Speaker 17 (42:51):
Well, I think maybe some fast growing bamboo would do
the trick, and that would avoid people peering in and
getting offended by the fact that the windows open about
three or four inches.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
How much was it going to cost to retrofit them
to the actual to look heritage.

Speaker 17 (43:08):
Have no idea except that I did ask a builder
last night and he told me that you can spend
tens of thousands of dollars doing that.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Oh yeah, no, absolutely you can, but how many.

Speaker 17 (43:17):
Tens more tens than it would be with it? I
can tell you this for sure that my client had
he been told by the retrofit company that he'd have
to get a source consent and probably wouldn't get it
because the windows opened outwards a few inches or centimeters,
he wouldn't have done it. And I think a lot

(43:37):
of other people in Auckland with old villas aren't going
to do it now that Auckland Council has made it
clear that they have to go through all the costs
and humbug of a resource consent application, no assurance that
it's going to be granted, and then pay a very
large amount of money for these fanciful wooden frames.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Alex, what are you guys going to do? What's the plan?

Speaker 17 (44:01):
Well, I'm hoping that given that the minister has called
what the council is doing nuts and that's why the
government is replacing the rim a, that I'm hoping that
the council staff who are responsible for this, it's it's
not the mayor, it's not the CEO. It's some lowly
staff have got the idea. I'm hoping that they will

(44:25):
realize the common sense approaches to tach their back off.
But if they don't and they go ahead and issue
abatement notices, then one we can appeal to the Environment Court,
and then the whole Environment Court scenario plays out a
great cost to the taxpayer and cost to my client.
I know, but it'll be a.

Speaker 13 (44:46):
Ronment.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well the time he's finished paying for you, he could
have just retrofitted his own windows, couldn't they.

Speaker 17 (44:51):
I don't charge like that. Oh no, no, I'm very reasonable, Alex.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you, rate look
after yourself. Alex Wittenhannah, lawyer for the mount Alden mount
Eden villa owner. It's nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 20 (45:14):
Hello Hello Trisha.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
You're in Aucklander and you live in a here is
Greyland a heritage erry. Oh absolutely, what do you think.

Speaker 20 (45:21):
That I personally think that that style of aluminum window
is a crime against all that is is good. It's
so hideous, an absolutely hideous. Having said that, I do
think this is a great example of why Auckland Council's
costs are completely out of control. And did you see

(45:42):
the photos that council had taken of this. I mean,
imagine the cost of that little snapper going out and
photographing these open windows.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
You know from you have to sort of lay and
wait into the window to open.

Speaker 20 (45:55):
You absolutely what And I do think there is There's
two things here, and often these council debates come down
to this. One is it is realistic for these homeowners
to go with the most cost effective option, even though
I thank you for your insight into parallel importing the
wooden sashes. But the second thing is also that it

(46:17):
takes away, in my view, from an owner's right rights
around their own property. This is really nitpicking stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
What do you think, Jersey?

Speaker 21 (46:28):
Yeah, I mean this is typical of the heritage groups
right where they feel like they can impose their own
values on everybody else. So I get it that they
want to keep their own houses heritage, you know, perfect
as it was one hundred years ago, but not everybody
wants to do that. And I do think we've got
a tendency in New Zealand to think that every flemyan

(46:50):
wooden barn is somehow heritage because we lack really old buildings.
So you know, I mean even in Paris has it,
you know, the loof which is this beautiful heritage building.
They can build a massive, big, modern glass pyramids, modernized.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Can't you use a better example? That looks ugly?

Speaker 21 (47:08):
Yeah, But the point is it's like saying there will
be no innovation. I get that the aluminium windows, you
don't like the look of them, but honestly, they've got
no right to tell everybody else that they have to
keep their home exactly as it was with aga burning,
you know, ovens and god knows what else one hundred
years ago. But the other thing I want to say
about this is that this is typical of policy, right,

(47:31):
and I know that the government is wanting to sort
of roll back some of these regulations. But as a
as a society, we have to decide we've got a
housing crisis. We don't have enough houses. It's as simple
as that, and that means there are tradeoffs. And one
of the trade offs might be that not every house
in Mount Eden gets to be caught a heritage house.
And also that if you already own a house, if

(47:53):
we build more houses, the value of your house might
go down. The value of my house might go down.
There are trade offs, right, So we have to solve
one problem, not pretend that we can solve multiple problems
with this everything bagel approach to housing.

Speaker 20 (48:07):
Well, and here's what makes a nonsense of this. We
have our indies in a bunch over some aluminum windows
in a villa in Mount Eden. Meanwhile, New Zealand's most
historic building, which is the old Custom House on the
waterfront in Russell, is being left to rot because neither
the New Zealand Police or Heritage New Zealand can get

(48:29):
their proverbial together to rescue that building.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
So which is arguably more important.

Speaker 20 (48:33):
Oh my goodness, So this shows one more.

Speaker 21 (48:37):
Here's just one more example, talking about Paris. So in Paris,
and I lived there for nearly three years, so you
cannot paint your balconies any other color bit black. So yes,
Paris buildings look beautiful, but guess what, they have a
hell of a lot more riots than we do. Because
everybody who hasn't got a home, can't afford run in
Paris in the city, lives in the ban lure in
the suburbs, and terrible housing because you can't build it

(49:00):
in Paris. I mean, there are all sorts of implications
for this fetishization of an old villa that's actually only
seventy years old and isn't even that pretty.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Thank you both. We'll take a break and come back
to it to politics. Obviously, quarter to.

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Speaker 3 (49:24):
Back with the Huddle Trisiuson and Joseph Garney. Josie, So,
do you think this debate about the punishment for the
Maori Party, which is going to kick off tomorrow is
going to overshadow the budget?

Speaker 21 (49:33):
Well, it could do, because as I understand it, if
they do filibuster, i e. They make this debate tomorrow
last until budget day. So I think they still pause
for budget day. But what it would mean I guess
is that Pati Mari MPs, because they wouldn't have had
a vote, they'll still be in Parliament for the budget.

(49:53):
So I think that's going to be the plan. I
think it's going to look terrible for Labor if they
do filibuster because people just look at it and they go, well,
you know, I mean, the problem because it's so long,
and it is the longest sanction that we've had in
Parliament twenty one days or something. It's making it possible
for the person Mari, for the MPs to present themselves

(50:16):
as victims. So that's the only problem with having it.
I think having the length so extreme that they can
get away with that. So you know, I don't believe
even if they miss budget day that they would actually
miss out on their right to comment on the budget
because you know, we all know every I mean media
don't particularly cover it in the house, so I can

(50:36):
stand outside Parliament and say whatever they want to say
about the budget and it will be covered in the media.
So but I think that's the length of the sanction
is allowing them to present themselves as victims, and that's
a problem.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
It's bloody awkward for Nicola though, isn't it tru because
surely she wants some clear air ahead of the budget.

Speaker 20 (50:53):
Well, in my view, this will be worrying the government
because it looks like political management has run away from
them on what is the biggest set piece of the year.
This budget is absolutely critical for New Zealand, but it's
also really critical for National in setting up for next
year's election. And I think the challenge that there's a

(51:16):
couple of challenges here that all New Zealand voters are
seeing at the moment is not the kind of political
theater we expect in Parliament, but it's actually a circus.
And the problem for Labor here is, you know, they
have such a thin grasp on economic credibility, which was
really ripped away from them again last week with the

(51:38):
Greens alternative budget. If they side too much with to
Party Maori going down this track of a filibuster, that
makes it harder for them to look credible with that big,
soft middle of center voters that they try. They're in
a tussle with National with so it's difficult for both
of those major parties to navigate this. But I imagine

(51:59):
if I Nikola Willis this week, I would be absolutely
apoplectic that my clean run into the budget has been interrupted.
And you only need to look at the post cabinet
presser today where the majority of the questions to the
Prime Minister and Nichola were actually on this topic, which
is not what they want to be talking about.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
As your example, right, there is your proof that this
is stealing the limelight. Oh my gosh. Okay, anyway, Josie,
Gary Lineker, is he an example of why all right
thinking adults should take themselves off social media? Immediately?

Speaker 21 (52:32):
I used to love Gary Lineker. I grew up in England,
you know, I left New Zealand, grew up in England
and he was such a hero, like playing for England.
He played for Tottenham, Everton, Leicester and he was this
sort of you know, glamorous footballer. He's just a complete
twat now, I don't. He keeps saying these things, so
the problem is he's got form with this, right yeah,

(52:53):
keep saying those political things that just wind people up.

Speaker 13 (52:56):
You know.

Speaker 21 (52:56):
One was that the BBC should play this document on Gaza,
which turned out the young kid who was a hero
and it was actually the son of a Hamas minister
in the government, so and no one knew that at
the time, so it wasn't just a sort of innocent Gaza.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Gary shut just.

Speaker 21 (53:15):
Shut up, I know, and I don't know. He must
know what he's doing because he's got form. But the
real issue here is not going to do his freedom
of speech. This is to do with a contractual agreement
that he because he's done it before, he had a
contractual agreement with BBC that he wouldn't do this again.
He wouldn't make political comments that made him basically, you know,
unappealing to one side or the other. He's now broken

(53:37):
that contract again. So it's really about employment law. But yeah,
Gaza used to be such cool dudes.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Now is life lesson in this trash? Isn't it? Get
off social media?

Speaker 20 (53:47):
Absolutely, get off social media. And I'll tell you the
other very high value piece of reputation advice that I'm
happy to give out for free. Oh around this, it's
not only what you are posting that gives you away.
It's the time stamp on your posts.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Oh the old ten past eleven at night, we know
you've been all or.

Speaker 20 (54:08):
The two am you know, anything past ten o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
I'd go earlier, trash, Well, nine thirty is enough time
to get boozed.

Speaker 20 (54:16):
I think nine. I personally would go with an out
of our If it's a professional post, keep it between
you know, nine and five or nine and seven anything
after that. When I see a time stamp anywhere after
ten pm, I think, oh.

Speaker 21 (54:30):
That's just what I say to my kids. Actually, is that,
you know, kids, nothing good happens after midnight?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Bring bring it forward? Yeah, bring it forward. I think
I've got to be realistic, though, Heather, Yeah, well, on
the social media is nothing good happens after nine guys,
Thank you appreciate it. It's Tris Sherson and Joseph ac
gany seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
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Speaker 14 (54:58):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I'm so glad I don't live in such a pre city.
Mayer Brown must get headaches from banging his head against
the toilet wall where he convent his f bombs at
leisure Noel, fair enough. Look, I am divided on the
heritage rules because I live in a heritage area and
it does prevent me from doing things at the front,
but it doesn't prevent me from doing things at the back,

(55:19):
And so I sort of think, like, don't ruin it
with your cheap, gross little aluminum windows. But look, maybe
that's just that's just that's just my snobbishness coming out right,
happy to drink the instant coffee, not happy to have
an aluminium window. We've all got our weak points, haven't
we Listen fascinating thing from Contact today, right. So what
they've announced is they're going to trial some technology that

(55:41):
it's going to let the EV owners only charge their
cars when electricity demand is at its lowest. And why
I care about this is because I've got an electric
car charger and I'm having some work down out the
back where the heritage rules don't apply. And I said
to the sparky, while you're out there doing the lights,
can you install this electric car charger? And then he

(56:03):
said to me, we need to have a phone call, Heather,
because you need to understand what you're doing. You want
to hear the rest of the story. I'm gonna tell
you when I've got a bit of time later on.
Because those car charges, let me tell you, do you
want to have a fuse? Do you want a fuse
coming from the road to your house. You're gonna have
to hear this about the electric car charges. But next
up we've got Nikola. Willis going to talk to her
about the budget because I just feel like She must

(56:24):
be absolutely having her nickers ripped right now because all
budget week is Budget week is her big week, isn't it.
This is what she's been working on for months and
months and months and months as the finance minister. She's
got all her little books all in order. Borrowed money here,
stolen money there. Cut that thing got her and it's
a big reveal on Thursday. And what are we talking about?

(56:45):
M the Marti party again, So that will be very
deeply upsetting to her. So as I promised earlier. When
we're talking to Jason Walls, got a couple of questions
for her. Does the debate resume? Does it carry on
Tuesday Wednesday the filibustering then stop for the budget and
resume afterwards? Or what happens? Why does she need sixty
five million dollars to change the tax rules? And many
more where that came from. News talks had been.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
What wit, what's up? What's down? What with a major cause?
And how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 3 (57:36):
The US talks at be even in coming up in
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of US government debt means for investors. Gavin Gray out
of the UK. We'll have more on the gas crunch
for commercial users at seven past six And with us Now.
Is Nikola Willis's finance minister in budget week? He Nikoler? Hi, Heather,
are you a bit gutted that this budget week is
being overshadowed by this business with the Marti Party punishment.

Speaker 19 (58:00):
I know this week is still about the budget because
that's what's going to deliver benefits for New Zealanders, and
I think that's what most Keywis would want us focused on.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Did you watch one News and three News this evening.

Speaker 19 (58:11):
I haven't watched them yet.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Okay, Well, I hate to tell you, but it was
all about the Maldi Party punishment and very little about
your tax changes, wasn't it.

Speaker 14 (58:20):
Well.

Speaker 19 (58:20):
I think that's going to frustrate New Zealanders because when
I speak with every day people, they're saying to me,
I'm worried about the cost of living, about the economy.
I want to see investment in the health system, and
that's exactly what the budget's about. This week. What they
don't want to see is parliamentarians obsessed with themselves, focused
on parliamentary procedure and breaking the rules.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Have you got any more You've got a couple more
days before the budget, a couple of full working days.
Have you got any more announcements lined up?

Speaker 19 (58:46):
Yes, there will be ministers making a couple of small
announcements in the next couple.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Of ye yeh, and see small announcements are going to
be drowned out by that debate tomorrow, aren't they.

Speaker 19 (58:54):
Oh well, look, come on, just to keep frust that's
right frustrating to you. We just need to focus on
the things that will make a difference to people we
can't control. To party, Marti, they will do what they
want to do it labor will do what they want
to do and how they want to be seen as
part of a chaoto fair it has distracted from the issues,

(59:15):
then that's on them to.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Be fair and it is fair that the opposition will
make hey, but this is an opportunity that was left
to them by Jerry Browne, the Speaker, a member of
your party.

Speaker 19 (59:25):
Well, the process in Parliament is clear. There are rules.
If people break the rules, The Privileges Committee investigate those
rule breaks and then they determine what censure should occur.
The Privileges Committee have made a series of recommendations in
the House. Tomorrow, after question time, Judith Collins, the chair
of that committee, will present the report. A debate will ensue,

(59:47):
and how long that debate goes on is ultimately up
to the House.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Is it normal? Is it normal to have the debate?
I mean, it's normal for everybody to be able to
debate it obviously debate the recommendations. Is it normal for
the speed get to point out to them that the
debate is available to them or is it normally just
a case if you move it and then get seconded
and there we go.

Speaker 19 (01:00:07):
Well, that's it the discretion of the speaker. I think
what is unusual here in the way that Labour have
taken to party Marty's side, or seemed to be endorsing them,
taking actions which we're pretty threatening, pretty physical, and then
really thumbing their nose at the privilege.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
How do you know that Labor has taken their side?

Speaker 19 (01:00:26):
That seems to be the indications from Chris Hipkins public statements.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Oh interesting that they're going to pay for that. Is
it normal though, for during one of these debates about
the Privileg's Committee for every single amendment to be debated
by everybody.

Speaker 19 (01:00:38):
Again, well, I understand that that is the procedure of
the House and ultimately the Speaker is the right person
to make that determination. So those are his statements. As
I say, I believe in following the rules of Parliament.
The Speaker ultimately determines how those rules are applied, and
we respect his authority in that regard. It's a shame
that more members of Parliament don't expect the rules of

(01:01:01):
the place. We are there to do a job for
New Zealanders, not to just behave however we wish to behave.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Do you know whether this debate, because this debate can
go on for days and days and days, right, does
it end? Does Budget day end it? Or can it?
Or does it just pause? We have Budget Day and
then it resumes thereafter.

Speaker 19 (01:01:19):
Well two things there. First, it's ultimately up to the
House how long that debate goes on, so we'll see tomorrow.
And then second Budget day is pretty sacrisanct because without
the budget you can't turn the lights on on the
schools and the hospitals.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
That's right.

Speaker 19 (01:01:35):
Going into people's bank accounts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Do you know the answer to that question? Because I don't.

Speaker 19 (01:01:38):
What I understand is that Budget Day will go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:01:42):
No I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
No, I know the debate is on. But does that
mean the debate pauses and then we resume it after
budget Day?

Speaker 19 (01:01:48):
Well, all of that is to be made clear in
the next couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Here now, why does it cost sixty three million dollars
to change tax rules?

Speaker 19 (01:01:56):
To two changes that the government is making.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
There.

Speaker 19 (01:01:59):
The first miss recognizing that startups often want their employees
to be partly compensated in the form of shares in
the company, and at the moment that can create complications
because they have to pay tax on those shares even
before they've sold them. So we're putting in place a
deferral regime which we used to make well mean ten
million dollars less tax collected over the next four years.

(01:02:20):
The second thing is that we want to see more
foreign investors able to invest in New Zealand infrastructure and projects.
There's evidence that the rules around something called thin capitalization
are limiting how much investment happens in New Zealand. Basically,
they're denied interest deductibility for the borrowing they do. So
we've put out a consultation pape today to say, how

(01:02:43):
could we tweak the rules to make this a more
attractive place to invest. Ird estimate the cost of that
over the next four years would be around sixty five
million dollars. The precise cost depends on the final details
of the policy, which we intend to introduce in a text.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Okay, So it's not sixty five million dollars to change
the rules. It is sixty five million dollars in what
it would cost to actually implement this.

Speaker 19 (01:03:04):
Yeah, and less tax that will be paid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Okay. Now, I've been thinking about the supermarkets thing that
happened on Friday, and I mentioned this on Friday after
I spoke to you, But I reckon that Wilworths may
have been firing you guys a little warning with that
GST claim. What do you think?

Speaker 19 (01:03:20):
Well, I think Willworth know that New Zealanders are frustrated
by the prices they pay at the checkout. Will Worth
know that the Grocery Commission, the Commerce Commission, and many
other entities have pointed out that a lack of competition
in New Zealand is one factor driving higher prices to
Zealand shoppers and Willworths are pretty keen to protect their position,

(01:03:42):
which is one in which they act within a functional Jobbee.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
That as a day. I think they're going to come
at you with the GST. Right, They're going to blame
you for the high prices of the groceries, don't you think.

Speaker 14 (01:03:53):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:03:53):
I remain hopeful, Heather, that Willworth will see that the
government is very serious about getting a better deal for shops.
We have a number of options for how we proceed
and I think it would be better for we're Worth
to come to the table in the spirit of cooperation
than try and fight us on this one, because I
tell you what, there's a lot of issues that I
get involved in, and this is one where I reckon.

(01:04:14):
The vast majority of New Zealanders are on the government's side.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
See I reckon if they start coming at you with
the GST, people will flip on this, don't you think.
I mean the GST is a hot button for people.
This is why we talk about it every election.

Speaker 19 (01:04:28):
But that is not the driver of New Zealand having
much higher grocery places.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I've got somebody said to me on Friday, and I
think this is a great example. Tell me, Nikola, how
any of your supermarket reforms would bring down the price
of butter.

Speaker 19 (01:04:43):
Well, have you been to Costco lately, Heather beause costing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
About it today?

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:04:49):
Well I I visited there a few weeks ago and
I was shocked because anyone who's gone on board a
five hundred grand box of butter at the surf market, Well, no,
it's up to about ten bucks at the moment I
went to Costco, they sell it in kilogram blocks for
nine nine five. Now, tell me how are they able

(01:05:09):
to do that? But they saw pack and save New
World cannot They.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Say, smaller margins but bulk buying. So there you go.
But then, but that says that you cannot split up
the supermarkets like you want to, because if you split
up the supermarkets, you're literally doing the opposite voult Bar.

Speaker 19 (01:05:23):
It does not say that at all either, because Costco
is one shop, one shop in New Zealand and they
are able to offer that far more affordable but different.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I'll tell you what, I'll go down to your local
New World and buy like five boxes a butter. You
do that at Costcos, Well, that's their b The.

Speaker 19 (01:05:39):
Other thing about Costco is this within a twenty kilometer
radius of that store, prices at nearby supermarkets are cheaper.
Why because Costco has introduced competition to that community. And
that's my point. Where you have a competitor, everyone sharpens
up their prices, and that's what I want to see.
I want to see more petition and people sharpening up.

(01:06:01):
And I think it's a great thing that Costco are
competing by saying, look, you're worried about the price of
better we sell cheaper butter. And actually a lot of
New Zealanders do choose to do their full shop at Costco.
Some of them shop around and do other things as well,
But that has the effect I think of showing that
there are opportunities for the major sup of market chains
to lower their prices, and they don't seem to be

(01:06:22):
taking all of the opportunities available.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Make an excellent point. I'm going to give that one
to you, Nicola. Are you coming in on Budget Day?
On Thursday? We we're going to ban all talk of
the Maori Party. Are you coming into our post office
studio in Parliament?

Speaker 19 (01:06:34):
I'm looking forward to it very much because the expression
on your face when I make really good points and
you just have that beaming smile that you're just stop
thinking what a great points you just made. But I'll
also be able to see your frown when you think
that I'm not making sense, so that I'll allow me
to crect myself quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Five oh five Thursday. It's a date, Nicola, Thank you
very much. Nichola willis the Finance Minister. Sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
You are doing the same thing as the other workstations
TV one and TV three, and you're talking about the
Marti Party rather than what I want to know about,
which is the details about the overseas tax cuts. Thomas.
That's how it works. I don't get to decide what
the news is. The news is the news, right, I
bring you the news. I talk about the news. This
is a significant it actually is. I know Nikola was
trying to downplay this, like, ah, it's not that big,

(01:07:26):
it's just the rules of Parliament. We'll actually we'll get
into it at some stage, I'm sure, probably tomorrow. But
this is a reasonably significant deviation in how you do
things from the speaker. Therefore it is news. Therefore, he
has caused the whole of the week to be taken
up with something other than the budget, which is the
centerpiece for his party. It is a reasonably significant thing.
I got to talk about it, even though it unfortunately

(01:07:47):
drowns it out. This is what happens right Twitter, and
this is why it was an interesting call. Twenty pass six.
Shane Soley, harbor Asset Management is with us now.

Speaker 14 (01:07:54):
Hey Shane, good evening here the house and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Well thank you. So what does this credit rating down
grade mean for investment markets?

Speaker 22 (01:08:02):
Yeah, so Moody's one of the credit agencies that talks
about how good a lender borrowers cut the US credit
rating from triple A toble a one that's on concerns
about ballooning US Ditton deficits. Now, they talked about successive governments,
not the current government, but pretty much the current government's
added to the fuel to the fire in terms of

(01:08:23):
trying to get sending tax cuts and they've got to
fund those tax cuts with more funding. So we certainly
see that trigger a bit of an increase in long
term government bond yours. This is what governments pay to
borrow to fund their activity. So we've actually seen those
rates increase over the last week or so in advance
of this funding extension for US tax cuts. Locally has

(01:08:46):
had a bit of an impact, a little bit of
impact on our market. We've seen our New Zealand government
bond yards go up to four point seven percent.

Speaker 14 (01:08:52):
It's a recent high. Our share market was down one
point two percent.

Speaker 22 (01:08:55):
Wouldn't be surprised to see a bit more violatility tonight
off the back of the credit rating, but it was coming.

Speaker 14 (01:09:00):
It was just a matter of time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
A little bit of mixed economic data here back back
here in New Zealand today. What's going to happen with
the Reserve Bank cutting the official rates.

Speaker 14 (01:09:09):
Yeah, So we had a couple of data points today.

Speaker 22 (01:09:11):
Firstly, the New Zealand Services Industry Contracts that talks about
services companies how they're feeling. And that was week for
the third month in a row at forty eight point six,
when the indexes below fifty eight, men's businesses are actually
moving backwards. So it's telling us there's still pretty tough
times the services set.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
That.

Speaker 14 (01:09:27):
On the other hand, we had prices paid.

Speaker 22 (01:09:30):
This is what we had to put into buying goods
and services for businesses up two point nine percent for
the quarter. But prices we actually we were able to
put out, we're only up two point one so the
companies had to we weren't able to pass through all
the higher prices now Reserve Bank, it's a bit of
a tough setup for them. The economic data says we
should be cutting rates, and indeed this inflation data suggests

(01:09:54):
they're still in the band, but maybe it's not enough
for them to really open the taps up on the
twenty out of May, they cut maybe not as much
as we'd all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
I am all right, hey, and what we've got the
budget coming up on Thursday. Obviously, what are investors expecting.

Speaker 22 (01:10:06):
Yeah, look, we expected to be prudent, you know, despite
this week economic outlock, which means lower tax tape.

Speaker 14 (01:10:12):
It means the government's going to have to work harder
in terms of.

Speaker 22 (01:10:16):
Making sure they get some some spending cuts through markets
are going to be focused on the degree of debt issuance.
How much money does the government have to to raise
to keep the halls of government going. The expectations are
forty to forty two b and gross that's a gross number.
Doesn't include some netting off and if they can come
in that range, that will actually be a good thing.

Speaker 14 (01:10:37):
Markets might like that. They'll be able to scrutiny around infrastructure.

Speaker 22 (01:10:40):
Housing and healthcare policy in terms are laying up for
the future, and maybe a little bit interested in that.

Speaker 14 (01:10:46):
QUI say, the change is potential, and so the change
there brilliant stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Shane, always good to talk to you. It really appreciate it.
Shane solely harbor asset management. Right, I'm going to tell you,
Heather that Buttle will be a lost leader. This government
and the previous have no idea how the supermarket industry works.
Watch the prices go up if they break up the
distribution from the retail. Tell you next about installing this
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Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Twenty six past six. So I was getting the electric
charger installed right by the SPARKI and he said, I've
got to call you, got to talk to you about this,
so you know what you're doing. So this is the problem.
This is not a problem unique to my house. By
the way, this is basically everybody's house, right, So your
house draws sixty three amps from the road, and that's
what you've got available to run everything you want at
your house. So the pool, maybe the pool uses ten amps.

(01:11:41):
You got sixty three, pool uses ten. Maybe the SPA
uses fifteen. And he was like, your car charger will
use thirty two. That's how heavy that car charger is.
It will use fully half the amps, like more than
half the amps. And I'm drawing from the road.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
I was like, whoa.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
He goes, I can wind it down, and he can.
He said, I'll wind it down to half. It's gonna
take twice as long to car charge. The car will
still be fast, but still was a fast charger. But
he was like, still it's gonna use sixteen apps, which
is as much as a sparple. And he was like,
if I install this, you have to promise you're only
going to run it at night. You cannot charge your
car during the day because during the day you've got
the fridge running and the TV running, in the lights running,

(01:12:19):
you got the washing machine going and the dryer going,
you got the pool in the spa. You got the
blinking wine fridge, you know, the internet, like everything is
going and he was like, if you start charging your
car during the day, you're gonna blow the fuse, and
he goes, you can blow the fuse once, maybe Vector
will come and replace it. You blow the fuse a
second time. If you blow the fuse a second time,
they are going to make you pay for a new fuse.

(01:12:40):
Will fix everything yourself, right, So I was like, okay,
I can do that. Is that? I was like, is
that normal? He's like, yep, that's normal. This is why
we're having to start going to third world situations where
we're controlling you know what you're what's that thing called
the hot water cylinder? Now you've now we've got to
start turning that off during the night and all this
kind of stuff. Anyway, so the point of me telling

(01:13:01):
you this is because Contact is doing this trial. I
want to talk to Contact about this. Contact what are
you're don't come talk to me about it. I want
to talk to Contact about it because this sounds like
the business.

Speaker 13 (01:13:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
They're trialing a thing we can plug your car in
and it will determine for you when your energy usage
is at the lowest and then it will charge your car.
And when the energy usage is going up and stuff,
it stops charging the car because can you imagine, okay
meagine you've got an electric car. You'll live in at
my house. Obviously got an electric car. And then the
spark he's like, you can only charge that car during
the night. So now it's ten o'clock at night and

(01:13:31):
you're about to go to bed, and the last thing
you do before you go to bed is that you
put your dressing gown out and wander out in the
rain to charge your car in the cold. Oh hell no.
And then you've got to get up before all the
lights go on and the fridge starts, and the fridge
is always on. But you know before everybody gets up
and put the toaster on, that you go unplug it again.
No thanks, contact, I want your stuff. Talk to me headlines.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
It's Heather dupleic Elan with the business hour and mass
insurance and inventors, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
These talks end me true.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Hey, I'm not to tell you about this journalist who
managed to board a plane. She wasn't on the plane.
But she was on the plane. It's a really weird story.
I'll tell you in a minute. It's twenty four away
from seven now. Commercial gas users are likely to face
unsustainable prices this year, according to the Gas sector regulator,
Gas industry companies later as quarterly reports their supply of
gases falling, but demand are staying constant, and that means

(01:14:34):
customers with contracts expiring are either not being offered new
contracts at all or just having to pay a hell
of a lot more for their gas. John Carnegie is
the chief executive of Energy Resources Ultier or Hey.

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
John, Hey there you going.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I'm very well, thank you. Like what kind of an
increase in prices are we talking?

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
Oh, look at that. It depends on the volume that's
being demanded by the specific businesses. So it's a bit
hard to pick a number, but they are sizeable percentage increases, like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Enough to enough to basically not be able to afford it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
Well again, that's businesses are under a lot of cost pressures.
But you know, again that's that's up to the economics
of the particular business. But it's certainly at a time
when costs arising across the board. Becoming more and more
difficult for our business community who are using using gas.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
What options do gas users have them if they're if
they're in the commercial game, it's gas or electricity. Isn't
as simple as that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
Well, look, it kind of is. But first I'd actually
like to actually just acknowledge the really tough position these
businesses are in, yeah, and also say that it's one
they actually should never have had to face, given the
abundance of our natural resources. So against that backdrop, look,
you're you're basically right, it's they've got a choice. Well,

(01:15:57):
there's there's LPG. Could some of their problems so bottle
bottle guess, depending on how much they use, they could
of course pay the high gas prices if it's commercial
for them to do so. But other than that, it's
electrification or actually the worst possible outcome closure, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
And do you expect that we will see many businesses
closed because of this?

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
I would hope not. I mean, I think this is
the business community is looking to the government for some
solutions around this, and hopefully those solutions are going to
be forthcoming.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
So what solutions, I mean, apart from subsidizing, what else
can we do?

Speaker 6 (01:16:45):
Well, we can encourage, the government could encourage for the
expiration of more natural gas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
The natural gas is this government has listened. This government
has been in for eighteen months and absolutely didly squat
has happened on the gas gas front. And I am
starting to very reluctantly come around to the idea that
maybe Megan Woods isn't the problem. We are just running
out of gas, because if we had gas out there,
and if there were all of these viable gas fields,

(01:17:13):
surely by now somebody would have tapped them.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
No. Well, I mean that completely belies the fact that
the twenty eighteen decision smashed investor confidence, and so investors
in the upstream are reluctant to put their money on
the line. When we've got a prospect, particularly of a

(01:17:37):
government that will come in in let's say, three six
nine years time and flip the switch on its head.
That is an untenable risk for explorers to take, and
they cannot take it without the government helping de risk
that proposition. So you know, if we don't, you're right,
We like you, have been waiting for eighteen months for

(01:17:59):
us signal from government that they are going to a
step in und risk that the issue is if they
do not, we have a very very bumpy decade or something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
It doesn't the government just do it itself.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
Well, they tried that in the eighties. Wasn't a raving success,
I have to admit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
So if you think the gas is there, and if
it one is there and we one hundred percent need it,
then it's a no brainer, isn't it. If nobody else
is going to do it, they need.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
To do it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
Well, Well, I mean our preference is that the government
puts in place the right conditions to encourage the private
sector to invest, just like in any other business here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
But I mean it's clearly not happening, is it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
Well, it's not happening because we don't have those right
regulatory and commercial conditions yet. That's the thing. So we're
kind of round and round on this and waiting for
the government. No, I don't, I don't. I don't think.
I don't think we are who for then, Well, it's

(01:19:12):
a collective government decision. So it's for the all of
the coalition of partners to make a decision as to
whether or not they want to put their money into
the film industry or the oil and guests.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
John, thank you. I appreciate it. John Carnegie, Chief Executive
Energy Resources. I will say that I'm starting to get very
suspicious about this whole situation. We'll talk about it at
some stage. Eighteen away from.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Seven, Heather doups the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Heather. You know you can schedule your charging through the
car Slash app, so you get home, plug it and
wouldn't charge until the schedule time you set Caxson Safe,
Thank you Safe. I don't know if that is available
on my particular charges. I've already got the charger. Let's
be clear about this charger is pre bought charger exists.
I don't know if that's on the charger. I don't know.
If I have that, I'll check it out, put it on.

(01:20:00):
Don't know if it's on the charger of rustle hither
or how old is you're sparky. There are smart charges
that canmit it, but maybe I don't have a smart charger.
Maybe that's not what I've bought. What was just reported
on the news about ev charging is total nonsense. The
charger automatically adjusts based on your homes. It has to
be smart, though. Do I have a smart one? Heather?
Kiwi ex charger maker Fnex automatically charge your car up

(01:20:22):
and down base. So I don't have an EVNIX, so
maybe the problem is maybe I've got the wrong charger.
Oh well, I've got obrage gone and got it. It's
a me problem, isn't it. Shut up? Whatever, Hey, listen,
I've got to tell you about this. So a wild
thing happened to this BBC journalist on a flight from
London to Madrid the other day. She traveled on the
wrong name and no one realized. No one realized. So

(01:20:45):
what happened is she was going for work for the
BBC and she tried to check an online and it
didn't work. So she's thor, I'll just do it when
I get there. So she went to one of those
little self self served chaosks at Heathrow and it didn't work.
So she went to the chicken desk and the British
Airways staff member checked in her bag for her, gave
her her boarding pass. She took the pot thanks, headed
off through security, went through, went to the plane. At

(01:21:05):
the gate she got on you know, there's the hello,
welcome to the plane staffer who's there, And she gave
her pass board and her boarding pass to that lady
man whatever, and they looked at it and went, oh,
goodyear and go to the business classes. Sat down in
business classes. Oh jest, it's weird. I'm sitting in business cluss.
BBC's bump me up. They can't usually afford this kind
of thing. Oh well, here, I am had a happy
flight lands in Madrid. That's when things start to go

(01:21:26):
wrong because when the phone connects to data ding, she
gets an email and it goes, your return flight has
been canceled. She's like why and they were like, well,
because you didn't catch the flight to Madrid. And she
was like, I literally did. I am in Madrid, I
got on the flight. Why did you cancel my return flight?
So she had this huge true and fro with her
travel agency, because you know BBC will have a travel agency,

(01:21:47):
a huge to and fro between herself and the travel
agency and British Airways, and British Airways wouldn't accept it.
Finally they realized she had a boarding pass not her name.
She didn't fly as her name, she flew as Hugh.
Hugh first name, she's not revealing his second name. Second
name starts with hr. Second name starts with H as well,
but that's the only similarity. He's a man, she's a lady,

(01:22:07):
and his name's Hugh. So what's weird is no one
knows what went wrong. I mean clearly, old mate who
checked her in checked her in under the wrong name,
and then nobody else realized that she's under the wrong name.
So there's a bunch of human error. But nobody knows
why she was checked in under the wrong name because
they can find no record of Hugh h. Hugh h
doesn't exist. She went online. She found another person with

(01:22:29):
a similar name, Jonathan Space Hugh space h for the surname,
and he did fly on British airways. But but he
flew the day after her, and he didn't leave. He
throw he flew into Heathrow. So and may I remind
you the name wasn't the same. So how weird is
that she flew under the name of somebody nobody knows.

(01:22:51):
Like it wasn't like she took somebody's seat. It's like
some random nobody knows. Weird things happened quarter to whether.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
It's macro microbe just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
It's all on the Business Hour with Hither dupleic Hellen
and Mayer's insurance and investments.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Grow your wealth, protect your future. He's talks in me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Hither everyone knows huh he owns plain boy, Get your
mind out of the gutter. It's twelve away from seven.
Gavin Gray as our UK correspondent. Hey, Gevin, Hi there right?
So has Gary officially announced that he's gone?

Speaker 23 (01:23:23):
Not yet, but we think he will. We're talking about
Gary Linka, the former England footballer, of course and star,
but also the highest paid BBC TV presenter. Controversial not
because of his presenting skills, but controversial because over his
career he has continued to post on social media. Now,
as a former BBC myself, you know, it just is

(01:23:45):
not done by the majority of staff, and there were
plenty of people in the newsroom in particular who, frankly
I thought there was double standards. I think was what
some in the newsroom thought about, how he seemed to
be allowed to say what he wanted on social media
and yet people in the newsroom received some pretty serious
action if they did the same. So what appears to

(01:24:07):
tit the balance? We expected Gary Lineker to present his
final match of the day next weekend and then stay
within the BBC, but not present match of the day anymore.
The football program instead to present things like the coverage
of the World Cup and other major sporting of things
like this. But it now looks like he is having
to go why because of social media again? So last

(01:24:29):
week he had to apologize after sharing a social media
post about Zionism that included an illustration of a rat.
Now the rat, of course, is historically used as an
anti Semitic insult. Liniger said he regretted the references. He
didn't know it was a reference to that, and he
said he would never knowingly share anything anti semitic. He

(01:24:51):
deleted the post, but it blew up into one big rowl.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Yeah, but you know what, Kevin, I just don't buy
that because if you post a picture of a ret
next to anything, by its very nature being pejorative. So
what is wrong with him?

Speaker 23 (01:25:06):
Very good question. He has continued to talk out about things,
predominantly about migration in this country, which has wound up
lots of people. Why does his opinion about migration and
small boats matter any more than anyone else's. He's a
footballer and a television presenter. He is not a politician,
and yet has a massive following on social media and
it's got him in trouble before and here we are again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yeah, exactly. Well see now listen, what is the post
Brixit negotiation that has reached some sort of consensus.

Speaker 23 (01:25:35):
Yes, so big meeting today between Sekire style at the
UK Prime Minister and other EU leaders. It is the
first bilateral meeting between the UK and the EU since Brexit,
and this government says it wants to get on and
reset relations with the EU after some bitter talk over Brexit.

(01:25:56):
So plenty of Brexiteers are going to be nervously watching
what's being agreed because of course the EU will want
something back from the UK if the UK is demanding
one or two things. So apparently discussions over the weekend
included defense, trade, fishing rights, and a possible youth mobility scheme. Now,

(01:26:19):
fishing rights very controversial, lots of European boats use our
waters and many argue we don't get much back in return.
And the youth mobility scheme well, at the moment we're
trying to cut migration and net migration, so adding to
the figures would seem to be contra to what most
people will say they want. And also it looks like

(01:26:40):
the stumbling block late last night was fishing rights. So
plenty of people waiting to hear what the European Commission
President Ursula Underlyon and Secure Starmer will say. Having struck
this deal, which we now believe is ready to go.
Announcements around trade and security probably include British access to
roughly two hundred and eighty billion New Zealand dollars for

(01:27:04):
the EU Defense Fund, and that could be a big
boost for UK defense companies.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
But what will have to.

Speaker 23 (01:27:10):
Be agreed otherwise? Certainly it now would appear that the
Conservative leader, the leader of the opposition and there a
form UK leader Nigel Faraje are saying it's a surrender,
yet we don't really know what's in it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Interesting. Hey, thank you so much, Gevin. As always, Gavin
Gray are UK correspondent Height away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I just want to point out that I was just
having a look at an email from Dylan and Dylan
has made the point that Jacinda saying that she's got
imposter syndrome. But we're not gonna talk about Justinda anymore
after this, which is very easy to say. This is
five minutes in the hour, but j just Sinda saying
she has imposter syndrome is hilarious because she has done
a prime ministership, two books and a documentary that really

(01:28:02):
screams imposter syndrome. Very good point, Dylan, thank you. Now
the latest I've I meant to get this to this
earlier and it's the crime that I haven't. But anyway,
the latest disclosures of what politicians own came out today,
been released by Parliament, and we can stop giving the
Prime Minister a huge bunch of pains in the butt
trying to avoid swearing right now, so it's not a
good look. We can stop giving him a hard time

(01:28:24):
for owning too many properties because he sold them down.
He doesn't have seven anymore. He's only got three, two
residential properties and one investment property in Auckland. Now we
can start having a go at Adrian the Rudraf of
Labor because let me read you his list family home
in Fungi, who interests in twenty six Maori land blocks
in the Altier district, interests in another block in tai Tokuro,

(01:28:46):
interests in another two blocks in Takitimu, interests in eleven
blocks in Waipu Namu and interest in a Waipoo general
landblock at rats and a pass. So hello, who's loaded now?
Carlos Chung of Nationals got quite a lot. He's got
about seven properties. Palmji Palma is doing pretty well for herself.
Todd Stevenson of Actors doing well for himself. But get

(01:29:06):
a load of this. These are the properties overseas, ah,
who is this? This is? Todd Todd has got two
apartments in Australia, one in Sydney, one and g Long.
Camilla Balach of Labor has a family home in London
former family home. Todd McLay from National has a home
in Belgium. Mark Mitchell has a alo holiday home in Bali.
Maureen Pugh has a time share in New South Wales.

(01:29:28):
Jenny Salissa of Labour has two acres of land in
Tonga and Aishavero has a jointly owned family property in
the Maldives. Not too bad and Elton.

Speaker 24 (01:29:36):
John Rocketman to play us out tonight. He has had
a go at the UK government. He says there are
a bunch of absolute losers. Basically, they were going to
put through the House of Lords put through a law
that would have made that anyone making an AI would
have to ask a musician or a copyright holder permission
before they train their AI on material that musician puts out.
And Elton John thought it was a great idea, but

(01:29:56):
the House of Commons hoded it down. So he's very
not happy about that and he's absolutely gone and on
them on on the BBC. So there you go. Elton
John says he's incredibly betrayed and the government's trying to
rob young people of their legacy and they're absolute losers.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Can you imagine having to us? So what is that
would they have to go? How hold on? We've got
to ask Alton permission? And David Bowie.

Speaker 24 (01:30:17):
Everybody, you know how you get royal assent where the
queen signs the law before it become become a law.
Maybe we just had a fourth step where Sir Elton
John also just as queens an Elton assent.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Jase, honestly, Elton, I love him, but really, hey, have
a lovely evening. We'll see you tomorrow. And you know
what we're talking about, don't you? Yes, we're talking about
that in Parliament. Of course, News Talks he'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
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