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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust truck to ask
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
And give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news Dogs EV.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Former Finance
Minister Ruth Richardson on the pression Nikola Willis is under corrections,
on the number of electronic bail violations skyrocketing in just
the last decade, and the Parking Association on the eight
second parking ticket.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Listen, how is it that we are having a conversation
today about whether Nikola Willis needs to quit her portfolio
because of yesterday's shop GDP number. This is crazy. What
happened yesterday is not Nichola Willis's fault. It is the
Reserve Bank's fault. It is not a matter of opinion.
It is a fact. The Reserve Bank ratcheted up the
official cash rate to slow down the economy and engineer

(00:56):
a recession. To quote Adrian Or, it's what he wants
to do, it is what he has actually done successfully.
We now have had an enormous recession and we are
struggling to come out of that. That is not Nikola
Willis's fault. Now, sure I can lay some blame at
Nichola Willis's feet. I can blame nichol Willis for not
doing enough to fix the state of the government's books,
probably not doing enough to get run down places like

(01:18):
Auckland Central going again. But that GDP number, that is
fair and square, largely the Reserve Bank's problem. So she
should not quit over what happened yesterday. However, I am
prepared to admit that the fact that this discussion is
even happening does speak to the enormous political pressure that
she is under at the moment. Because it is enormous.
She is under a lot of political pressure. She is

(01:40):
very much playing at a political disadvantage because a lot
has gone wrong for her this year. Buttergate was all
Nikola Willis pulling in Miles Hurrell for a chat Gavin
the cameras run after him. Was she created that she
has only just managed to save herself from being talked,
from being accused of being all talk and no action
over the supermarkets, redeemed with a Hail Mary at the
last minute. And for all the criticism that she lobbed

(02:02):
at Grant Robertson for spending too much. She spends more
than him every single budget. And here, here we are,
two years into this administration, still waiting for their big
plan as to how we turn this economy around. That is,
as Finance Minister and Economic Growth Minister, her job. But
she doesn't need to quit over what happened yesterday. Look,
the bar for any minister to quit is very high,
but for a finance minister even more so. Just to

(02:24):
have a look at how badly Rachel Reeves in the
UK is stuffing things up and crying in public, she
is still in her job. Nichola Willis is nowhere near that,
mainly because the GDP figure out yesterday is not her
fault and the fact that this is actually a discussion
is somewhat mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Heather d for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Nine two is the text number standard text fee supply.
As I say Ruth Richardson after five now, details about
the Tom Phillips case will remain suppressed for at least
another month. Media police ordering a TAMITIKEI have been prevented
from plishing certain details related to the case. Since Tom
Phillips and his kids were found last Monday. Now the
High Court in Wellington will hear the matter again in
mid October. Meanwhile, the details are spreading across social media

(03:12):
with no known repercussion so far. Now Nicki Chamberlain is
a senior lecture at Auckland University's Law School and with
us Hey Nikki Hi Heather. When the court considers the injunction,
like they did yesterday and like they will do in
about a month's time, do they consider the fact that
the information is spreading on social media?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yes, they will do so. There is normally for an
injunction based on private information, three things the court looks at.
Is there a serious question to be tried? The information
is private? Where does the balance of convenience lie? What
is in the interest of justice? Now that third criteria
interest of justice, The court will look at how widely

(03:51):
known the facts are that they are trying to suppress.
And if it is seen to be fairly common knowledge
in the past public then it will be seen as
unfairly prejudicial to keep the injunction in place. So that
is something that the courts will look at. And in fact,
there is precedent of a case. Interestingly, back in the

(04:13):
eighties where there was an injunction in place, but because
information was published by media outlets in New Zealand and
overseas who were not subject to the injunction, the court
ended up withdrawing the injunction because they said it was
unfair on those media outlets that were bound by it.
So I think what we'll see here is a consideration

(04:33):
of just how widely known these facts are and whether
it is oppressive to continue the injunction.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So would you in your opinion, then what would you say?
If this continues to spread at the rate that it is,
the court will eventually be forced to lift it.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think that they will. I think the problem is
going to be, well, there's a twofold problem, Heather. First,
you've got overseas news media, right, So the injunction applies
to those parties who are subject to it, which includes
the New Zealand media. If you have overseas media who
are discussing matters that are subject to the injunction, you're
going to have issues and enforcing the injunction overseas because

(05:08):
you're going to have to get the injunction the court
order recognized in that foreign jurisdiction to have any effect
and be enforced. That's issue one. Issue two is that
the injunction applies, as you said, to media organizations, the police,
and Araga tamariki. The problem is is that there might
be individuals right within New Zealand who are not subject

(05:30):
to the terms of the injunction, who might be posting
this on social media. Now, how do you stop that occurring. Well,
unless you can get those individuals subject to the injunction itself,
you need to be able to somehow get the social
media companies as a party to the injunction. And the
issue around that is you'll have your social media companies,

(05:51):
which a are overseas so it's hard to enforce an
order against them. But b what they will say is is, well, look,
we need reasonable notice because we can't possibly surveil millions
of people on social media. So as long as you
give us reasonable notice that there's information up on you know,
the facebooks of the world and Twitter, et cetera, then
we can pull down the information. So there's a number

(06:14):
of problems within the scope of the injunction and making
sure that it stays in effect. You know, we have
a saying in the United States, Heather, you've probably heard
of this. The horse has already bolted. It's too late
to shut the barn door now. And that's and and
I kind of feel like in this situation it may

(06:34):
get to the stage where where that's the position in
layman's terms, because you know, injunctions are great, but you've
got to get them issued immediately to stop the leak
of the information in the first place, right ver.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
So yeah, and I can imagine also just the logistics
of like a Facebook or a Twitter or whatever having
to go and then track down the comments and get
them deleted. That must be a reasonably is that a
difficult task or is that any thing for them to do.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Well?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
The law says actually at the moment, So for example,
in defamation law, if you make a complaint that somebody
is defaming you, they have a reasonable period of time
they have to have reasonable notice and a reasonable period
time to remove it. And I would assume that something
like that would be in this situation unless there was
laws that were to created to circumvent that. Now, if

(07:23):
you did that, you could have arguments. And again we're
getting into some policy issues here that it's a cost
of doing business. Right, So the fact that Facebook wants
to operate in New Zealand. We're going to enact laws
which will be more prohibitive on them and put the
onus on them to monitor. Now, how cumbersome is that
going to be?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I imagine it could be quite cumbersome. But again, you know
with technology, uh, and you know various ways to search
what people are posting about. I'm sure you could have
buzzwords right, which could filter through posts. So that's some
that a social media technologist would be able to comment on.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Brilliant. Hey, Niki's been fascinating to talk to you. Thank
you very much. Niki Chamberlain, Senior Lecturer of Auckland UNI
Law Faculty. So she thinks the injunction will be lifted
at some stage either if the threshold for resigning as
Finance Minister meant that Grant Robertson didn't have to resign
for what he did to the economy. I think Nichola
is as safe as houses. I think William has bang
on quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
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Speaker 3 (08:31):
Here the why don't you stop talking about it?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Then?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
If it isn't a big deal. This is Nichola Willis Well.
Actually I can explain why we are talking about it today,
and this makes the whole thing a lot weirder. So
stand by and we'll get to that. It's eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Sport with tab bedlve with in play are eighteen beb responsibly.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Jason Pie and hosts a weekend sports with us A
pioneer Heather Right. Are the Black Fern's going to beat Canada?

Speaker 7 (08:53):
Yes? I think they will. They are a much better
side Canada than they have been historically. Last couple of
times we've played them twenty seven all draw in May
of this year. They beat us last year and they've
had a very good tournament Canada. They've been relatively untroubled
and beat Australia handsomely in their quarter final. But I
look at the New Zealand team and I think that
is a good team. It's an experienced team. Yes, there's

(09:14):
no Georgia Miller and there's been a lot made of that,
but there are still some very experienced players in that team,
the likes of la Haye Dumont and Stacy Waka, Georgia
Ponsmby and others who have been to multiple World Cups,
plus some young talent as well. I've got us winning
it for whatever that's worth in terms of a jinx
or an anti jinx, Heather, But I fully expect that
we'll be playing England in the final at Twickenham next Sunday.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, well, we're going to win it because we've got
the muscle memory of having played finals before, haven't we?

Speaker 7 (09:42):
And they, well, yeah, yeah, I guess that's another way
of explaining experience, isn't it when the you know, when
the when the pressure really comes on in those moments,
if you've experienced those moments before, and some of the
players I've mentioned have certainly had those, You're right. It's
another reason why I think you'd give slight favoritism to
News on the tab got one forty five sorry, one
sixty five to two twenty in our favor Compare that

(10:05):
to England against France. England a dollar three to France's
eleven dollars. So England overwhelming favorites to not only win
Sunday morning, but to win the hover.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah okay, now are the breakers you're looking forward to this?

Speaker 8 (10:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (10:17):
This is kind of snuck up a little bit. The
new Australian National Basketball League season. I am because the
Breakers have gone through a bit of a renaissance, bit
of a back to the future. They've sort of dispensed
with Matt Walsh who came in as a bit of
a rockstar American owner and never really worked on the court.
The Blackwells are back, Dylan Boucher is back, Mark Mitchell
is the new owner, and it's a good roster. Last

(10:40):
Sea's not forgotten this heither. But the Break has lost
sixteen of their last nineteen games last season, so I mean,
those are numbers that are never going to get you
anywhere near any silverware. They take on Brisbane tonight on
their home Florence Park Arena. A couple of new recruits
and a couple of old favorites back Parker, Jackson Cartwright included,
so they can get off to a winning start and

(11:00):
it's a new dawn for the Breakers.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Brilliant stuff. Piney, thanks so much. Jason Pine hosts a
weekend sport hell Back. This weekend. Are also going to
speak to the sports huddle after half past five. Have
you while we're on the subject of sport, have you
ever heard of a woman called Ruth Croft? No, Kiwi.
It's not just some random out there. It's Kiwi. Have
you ever heard that Ruth Croft has won the Ultra

(11:25):
Trail Dumont Blanc, which is the most prestigious ultra in
the world. Did you know that? No? I didn't know that,
did you? She won it last month and there's been
hardly any coverage of it. It's one hundred and seventy
four kilometer race. It passes through France, Italy, Switzerland. She
did that in twenty two hours, fifty six minutes and
twenty three seconds. She became the first woman. So it's

(11:45):
historic because she became the first woman to not only
to win the UTMB World Series Triple Crown, which is
this race, and then also the OCC and the CCC,
which are just shorter distances at the same event. Now,
Ruth Croft grew up on the West Coast in a
place called Stillwater, which probably if I say to you,
have you heard of Ruth Croft? Have you heard of Stillwater?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Population eighty six. Part of the reason that she's got
hardly any coverage for this amazing feat is that she
hardly ever talks about herself. She's not on social media,
doesn't want to you know a big song and dance
about herself. She's quoted as saying, that's a West Coast thing.
You never toot your own horn. I like to remind
myself it's just running. It's not like I'm curing cancer.
What a legend. Anyway, As I say, sportshuttle is going

(12:29):
to be thus after half past five, I'm gonna ask
them if they've heard of Ruth Croft, my new favorite
person for twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather First.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news talk said be here.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
The yes, I know of her. She's been on telling
more than once. She's a real achiever in Congrats to her.
That's Ruth for twenty five. Okay, so what happened to
answer the question of Ben which is a fair question,
which is why are you talking about this? Reason the
conversation about the resignation of Nikola willis Heather, if it's
not a big deal. Fair point while we're talking about

(13:06):
it is because it's got really weird today with stories
going no one understands what has actually gone on here.
So how it played out is yesterday Thomas at The
Herald asked Nichola Willis if she'd spoken to the Prime
Minister at all about his continued confidence in her ability
to hold the portfolio, the economic growth portfolio and grow
the economy. And she said, yes, you the prime minister

(13:28):
all about the confidence to hol enfolio and great, yes,
and the Prime Minister has confidence in me. And so
then they had a meeting. But then today on aren
Z she said no, they hadn't had a meeting.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
Nothing happened.

Speaker 10 (13:43):
I was asked in a priest conference whether the Prime
Minister had confidence in me, and I.

Speaker 11 (13:47):
Assumed that he did. I hadn't actually spoken to him, so.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
She hadn't actually spoken to him. But then Chris Luxon
said today what he did speak to her.

Speaker 12 (13:54):
Oh, I was a very short conversation, Nicola.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
You're doing a great job. You got my fallbacking.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
So I have no idea. Did they or did they
not talk? I don't know did they or did they
not talk to each other anyway. Felix just tried to
call me, Felix. I tried to call Felix before I know,
Felix tried to call me with my phone just buzzed
hold on. He sent me a text, Oh yeah, Felix
should know ONEm on air right now, because Felix is
in fact Nicholas man as in like Nicholas press Man.

(14:23):
And I tried to call Felix earlier to be like,
what why is Chris Luxon saying that they talk to
each other and you're saying that they didn't what's going on? Anyway?
Felix didn't call me back until I'm on air, So
I feel like Felix is not a listener. What do
you think? Or is Felix just is Felix? I think
actually what's possibly happened is Felix is having a day
of it today and he doesn't realize what time it

(14:45):
is because it is just all coming at him, all
of this because he's like, ah, now do you know look,
if I can give you my theory, my theory is
at what happened here is that the prime They didn't
actually talk about it at all, but when Chris was
asked about it, Chris Luxel was asked about it, he
just did the thing that Chris and sometimes does, which
is he says whatever he needs to say to get
out of a tricky situation. In an interview. You know
he does that all the time with asking. He just

(15:06):
goes but out of cane and then he's like, I
didn't actually mean that. I think that's what's happened. Anyway,
I'll talk to Felix in the news and see what
I can come back to you with. Jonathan Kursley is
going to be with us shortly. He's going to talk
us through the fall out from the Jimmy kimmelfing, which
is massive. So we'll talk to him. Stand by.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talk.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
There'd be.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Heavy run you me.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I got the lowdown from Felix, who'll finally manage to
get each other on the phone ringing through it in
just a minute. Barry Soper will be with us on
that in about ten minutes as well. By the way,
the number of people breaking out of their ankle bracelets,
cutting them off, foiling them whatever is astounding. Back in
twenty fifteen, it was only sixty four cases, just sixty

(16:06):
four people in that which I think is quite large.
But only sixty four people in that year were mucking
around with their ankle bracelets last year eight hundred and
thirty two. So we have a chat to corrections after
five find out what the hell is going on here?
Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
It's the world wires on Youth Talk's Eddy Drive.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So Trump's come to the end of a second state
visit to the UK and he suggested Kirstarma use military
friends to stop illegal migration.

Speaker 13 (16:32):
Yeah, you have people coming in and I told the
Prime Minister I would stop it. And it doesn't matter
if you call out the military. It doesn't matter what
means you use. But it's going to destroy. It destroys
countries from within.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Over in Afghanistan, the Tulliban government has banned books written
by women from universities. It's also removed books about human
rights and Western philosophy, and it's totaled six hundred and
seventy nine titles. Now, girls under Taliban rule have been
denied access to education for four years, and activist Malala
Usefsai has pledged to continue her fight for four years.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
The Taialivin have denied your right to education.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
This is not only a deep injustice, it is a
crime that I refuse to accept.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
And Finally, the Czech Republic will have a long standing
mystery solved. Today, a letter that has been sealed since
nineteen thirty seven will be opened, revealing the final written
words of the country's first ever president. Speculation is rife
over the contents of the letter, with many hoping for
words of wisdom on navigating impending war which could still
be relevant.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Advice Today International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace
of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
And with US Now with Jonathan Kersley, US correspondent Jonathan Hea.

Speaker 14 (17:47):
They're always good to tell you. You and the listeners.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, the Stimmy Kimmel things a bit of a mess,
isn't it.

Speaker 15 (17:52):
Yeah, it's pretty extraordinary. I mean it's been seen by
many late night TV show hosts here in the United States.
Tonight is a crackdown on free speech by the Trumpet administration.
I've been out at protests Disney's headquarters, outside Kimmel's studios
effectively at the Ol Capitat.

Speaker 16 (18:05):
Theater and Holly in the heart of Hollywood, and there
is a real sort of growing anger among the late
night TV hosts, those who work in the entertainment industry,
and concerns that this could stretch far beyond just late
night TV talk show hosts.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
But what does that, I mean, what's the point of
all of the upset. It's not going to change the outcome,
is it?

Speaker 15 (18:24):
Well, exactly, I mean, essentially what you had was Jimmy
Kimmel had been a host of this show for twenty
two years. He's been pulled off the air definitely. After
making some remarks about the suspect charged over the Charlie
Kirk assassination. The FCC, the TV watchdog, essentially threatened to
pull ABC America off the air all together. And within
hours of that, we saw the Disney statement come out,
the ABC statement come out and say essentially the show

(18:46):
was off the air. You're got to look at the
broader picture in this too and follow the money chain,
because there's big money involved in this, and there's big
political backing involving in this too. Because Disney needs the
Trump administration's approval in order to purchase a company it's
trying to buy a major ABC affiliate. The next Media
Group needs the approval of the Media Watchdog in order
to try and buy a whole host of regional TV stations.

(19:08):
It's trying to buy. So there is an argument here
about there is a level of appeasement trying to be
played out here by these giant media corporations in order
to make sure that they can get their big money
deal through. The next one is worth about nine billion
New Zealand dollars. It is a vast sum of money. Well,
what you're saying here is the President Donald Trump is

(19:28):
effectively pulling the strings. He'd said weeks ago that he
thought that Jimmy Kimmel should be acted. He suggested that
next should be Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyer's other late
night TV show host, Stephen Colbert has already gone. So really,
what is the anger going to do now? Well, it's
probably not going to do much at all, because Donald
Trump certainly isn't going to back down. He's already suggested
he's landed back in the United States to night. But

(19:49):
he's already said on board Air Force One that essentially
saying that if TV stations are critical of him, then
they have TV licenses and effectively they could be removed.
But there's a subtext too, they get those licenses for free. Essentially,
what he's trying to say in the sort of roundabout
way is maybe they should be paying up for those
licenses and maybe this disquiet over TV host's being critical

(20:12):
or that might go away.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Interesting, Now, how do you think is trip over to
the UK went.

Speaker 15 (20:17):
Or certainly been received fairly well Over in the UK.
He was shown every single bit of pomp and ceremony
you could possibly imagine, the carriage around Windsor Castle, the
monstrous salutes and parade he was given by British troops,
larger than any other presidential visit. This, of course was unprecedented,
the only president to be given a second state visit

(20:39):
to the United Kingdom. There was talks on trade, there
was talks on tech deals. There was talks of course
on Palestine and Israeli Gaza, which is going to be
a significant issue at the United Nations next week. But
the appearance by Donald Trump and Sekia Summer side by side, well,
they weren't highly critical of each other. This was a
relatively warm meeting between two people who seemingly get along.

(21:00):
And the UK Prime Minister knows he needs Donald Trump
in his corner for issues around the Ukraine War and
also issues around trade, So again a level of appeasement
thrown the state visit thrown, all the pomp and pageantry,
the giant state banquets, the massive dinner that was held,
and crucial talks. So Donald Trump comes back to the

(21:22):
United States with a victory under his collar.

Speaker 11 (21:24):
Certainly.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, absolutely. Jonathan, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's
Jonathan Keresley, our US correspondent, nineteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Okay, So what happened with Felix? So this is how
it played out. There was no formal meeting. There was
no formal meeting between the Finance Minister, Economic Growth Minister
Nichola Willis and the Prime Minister Chris Lux. No formal
meeting where they got together to talk about whether he
had confidence in her. What happened is that they all
went to the big donor thing, which I think was

(21:54):
was it an Auckland last night? It's about fifteen hundred
dollars ahead or some other mental sum to hang out
with politicians. Anyway, they went to that. I am told
by people who were there. It was a lovely evening.
Everybody was feeling upbeat and the Nats were in good
spirits and stuff. And at that meet, at that event,
Nicola and Chris, because they work with each other, had
a little chat and Chris said, hey, listen, I got

(22:17):
you back. Relax. It was basically that's what it is.
It was completely informal. Anyway, Barry Sober is of the
view that this is not even interesting and no one
should even be talking about it, and what the hell
is wrong with us? And so he's going to be
with us to express his you know, has always always
delivered so graciously the views that he gives us. He'll

(22:38):
you know, he lets you, he sort of lets you
really over time realize what he is trying to say.
He's let sort of leads you to it. Do you
know what I mean? He's going to do that thing
with us next when he's with us shortly quickly. Oh,
by the way, can I just say, have you seen
the headline that's just popped up about Chris Hopkins, labor
leader Chris Hopkins says the whole government should resign over

(22:58):
GDP decline so as irrational as always. Just want to
update you on my absolute favorite conspiracy theory, which is
the one about how Brigitte Macron is in fact not
a woman but a man. Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte are
planning to apparently present scientific evidence to court in order
to prove that she is in fact what she says
she is, which is a woman. Because of course you'll
be aware that they're suing Candas Owens for defamation cause

(23:20):
Scandis has been going around saying that Brigitte is a man.
Now they haven't said yet what evidence, what the scientific
evidence is that they're going to present, but the clue
is probably in the sentence where they said it will
be both generically and specifically. Actually, no, that's no clue
at all. Generically and specifically, they will prove that she
is a woman. There will be photographs of her pregnant

(23:44):
and photographs of her raising her children, which I feelo
is probably not going to convince anyone. So I'm guessing
if I had to guess, I would say there'll be
a DNA tech, one of those chromosomal tests or something
like that. Anyway, we stand by to find out what
it's going to be. Bary sop As next seventeen away
from five.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
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Speaker 3 (24:03):
If you haven't heard the one about the parking ticket
issued for just a few seconds. You're going to want
to hear this one shortly fourteen away from five and
Barry Soper, senior political correspondence with us.

Speaker 8 (24:12):
Hello, Barry, so here you want to hear me tell
it how it is here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Go on then tell us you well, the whole thing
is just a nonsense.

Speaker 17 (24:18):
Well I do.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
I think, of course Nichola Willis would speak to Luxon
about GDP. I mean, why wouldn't she. The government would
no doubt be having a con flab amongst themselves about it,
and how dreadful the Second Court it was. But I
got to say that Chris Luxen and Auckland here today
later on with a trial, when he was asked for

(24:39):
his reaction to Roger Douglas calling for her resignation.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Absolute rubbish.

Speaker 12 (24:44):
Nichola Willis is the best person to be Finance Minister
and Economic Growth Minister in this whole country. She is
absolutely outstanding. I see how hard she works. I know
what she's wrestling with. She has inherited the biggest recession
in thirty five years. We've inherited the longest you know,
hangover of COVID from any Western country. We've inherit a
situation where the last lot ran up the debt three

(25:05):
times and we write out of ten billion dollar interest
bill each and every year and have nothing to show
for it. So she is cleaning it up, and she's
doing an exceptionally good job. And I don't think there's
a single News Islander that could do a better job
than Nichola.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Willis Well, make no mistake about it here. But you
know it's interesting, isn't it that Tim You know clearly
where she goes, the prime minister will go as well.
Sounds a bit like David Loggie and Roger Douglass because
the resignations of finance ministers are very very rare. Indeed,

(25:40):
you know Roger Dabar, yes exactly. Roger Douglas stood aside
because he end up falling out with David Long you
stopped for his cup of tea and didn't like the
way things were going, and I remember it well. But
the other one is that Ruth Richardson, who understand you're
going to be talking too shortly. She was essentially sacked
from the job. She won't admit that, but it was
after the nineteen ninety three election that she was the

(26:04):
Finance minister. After the election, she wasn't the finance ministers so?
And you'd have to go back then to the nineteen
thirties to find another finance minister who stood aside from
the portfolio because he did so on a matter of principle.
Downey Steward I think.

Speaker 18 (26:22):
Was his name.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
We're nowhere near second territory or resignation territory. It was
just what the hell?

Speaker 8 (26:27):
It's absurd to even entertain the notion. And the thing is,
as I said yesterday, the one person who's done a
great job in all of this is Adrian or he
engineered a recession. By god, did he get one?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
None of us were wondering did Adrian get his recession?
We all felt that and we still laugh. Now, what's
going wrong with Stu Nash again?

Speaker 8 (26:50):
Oh poor Stu? I mean talk about you know, he
put his foot in it telling us what he thought
a woman was. And it would seem that I think
that's bounded far too heavily on him. It was very crude.
He admitted to it, and he said that he was
He groveled and said he was terribly sorry about making it.

(27:10):
He let himself down. The comment that is, and you know,
obviously he's learnt something from it. Well, it seems as
a mission off now to the US that Stue Nash
was meant to be on. It was a government lea
admission by Erica Stanford about visas, and he had a
lot to do with visas when he was in the
labor government. But he's been dropped from that delegation because

(27:35):
they think it would be too much of a diversion
of interest in what he had said about what a
woman was. I mean, honestly, I think that's taking wokeism
to the extreme. I mean, really, he made an apology,
made a stupid remark, but he should most certainly have
been on that mission.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
But Barry, it was the most crash thing that a
position has ever said.

Speaker 8 (27:59):
I'll be throwing out of the house if I said,
I just.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
All I'm trying. I'm just am wondering if you're tolerance
of the comment, and maybe even mine is on account
of the fact that we really like stew Nash.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
Yes, I do like stew Nash, but no, it's a
comment pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's a terrible.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
Comment, and I don't think we could even remind your
listeners of what the comment was so bad.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think you get one go at, explaining as no more,
that's right, it's too hard out hey. Okay, So Winston
Peters is off to the UN this weekend, is ease.

Speaker 8 (28:28):
We've only only got seven sleeps to go here that
before we find out whether we're going to recognize Palestine
as a state. But the interesting thing to me is
we're going to hear on Saturday morning our time. That means,
and I've been to these UN General assemblies with leaders
on many occasions, the New Zealand delegation get or the minister,

(28:51):
and usually the Prime Minister gets to speak to an
empty auditorium because by that time on a Friday night,
most people have gone home. So the anyone's really interested
in Winston Peter's speech will be New Zealanders to see
if we do in fact recognize Palestine. And I can't
see how we couldn't, although don't forget Old Trumpy when

(29:11):
he was in Britain, told Keir Starmer off for doing
the same thing recognizing Palestine. So maybe we are playing
the Americans game at the moment.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, very so, thank you, very much, very so for
senior political correspondent. We'll be back with us quarter PUS
six throughout the political week.

Speaker 16 (29:26):
That was right.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
We'll talk about the ticket next eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 19 (29:33):
It's hard to hide from a number that bad, isn't
it gdpter zero point nine is not zero point three,
And of course we're already out for the Finance Minister's quit.
Sir John Key back with us.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think what you've seen over the last eighteen months
there's a government that has been working hard to get
the economy straightened up after I miss it and hears it,
but it hasn't had a mate in the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 19 (29:51):
Nicola Wilison's of course, the Finance minister.

Speaker 17 (29:53):
Could we be heading for a recession?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
In the first three months of this year?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
We grew at zero point ninety, seen twice as fast
as economist for forecasting, So.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
We shouldn't overreact to a bad quarter.

Speaker 17 (30:03):
We've got to keep playing the full game.

Speaker 19 (30:06):
Back Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, then maybe they can bring Stuart Nash to confirm
Brigitte Macron's gender is very good. Five act yes, quite good.
Five away from five. Okay, so do you remember us
telling you that story not long ago. They have been
last week, maybe even earlier this week about the company
in christ chur It's the parking company called Parking Services
Limited that pings somebody for pulling into a car park

(30:34):
for twenty seven seconds. Remember that, Well they've struck again.
Turns out they now pinged a guy for pulling into
the car park for just eight seconds. So what happened
is this Chap Bailey Smith, who's only a kid, is
twenty two years old. He pulls into the car park
outside the Ricketton laundromat in March, pulls out again and
then leaves all right, eight seconds, goes on holiday, comes back.

(30:55):
There are all of these notices, ninety five dollars fine notices.
All this kerfuffle has happened. He decides to take it
to court, basically to try and argue this is a
dispute tribunal this lot. Parking Services Limited come back at
him and say, actually he was in the car park
for five minutes more than dropping off a friend to
pick up another car parked nearby. The photos. They then

(31:18):
submit photos to back up their claim. The ruling says
the photos appear to support mister Smith's position, which is
that he was there for eight seconds, that he reversed
out of the car park very soon after entering it,
presumably once he realized it was a private car park
with clear warning signs. Anyway, this lot are completely incorrigible.
Is unbelievable what they're up to. I think that they

(31:38):
might be. I mean, I think we all hate car
parking services, don't we, But it feels to me like
there are pains in the butts and then there are
these guys who are well out of line. Are We're
going to talk to New Zealand Parkings Association about this
at about quarter past five because I wonder what their
strategy is here. I mean, are they assuming that there
are people out there who are going to look at

(31:58):
it and go, oh, I'm just going to pay it,
and they just pay it even though it is so
deeply unfair. Anyway, we'll find out what the deal is.
Ruth Richardson is going to be with us straight after
five o'clock explained to us the kind of pressure that
Nichola Willis is under and what happens now news talks.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's Heather Duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Afternoon. There is significant pressure on Nichola Willis following yesterday's
GDP bombshell. Former Finance Minister Sir Roger Douglas has called
for her resignation after the economy contracted zero point nine
percent in the second quarter of the year, and now
another finance minister, Ruth Richardson. Former Finance Minister Ruth Richardson
says that the government needs a drastic change in direction
and Ruth is with us high Ruth hi agridedening before

(33:16):
we get to what you want in terms of the
direction of the government, do you think Nicola Willis should resign?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
No, Look, I don't think playing the resignation game is
going to get us anywhere. What we need to concentrate
on is the quality of the policy, setting what's working
and what's not, and advocating the kinds of policies that
can snap us out of this dreadful position that we're
in a flatlining economy and rising unemployment.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Okay, so what do you want to see?

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Well, what I want to see is bold and decisive action.
It's clear that big government's got its throat on the economy.
It's stifling the hell out of the productive sector. The
government needs to put it house and order, stop racking
up debt, getting serious about controlling it spending, and more importantly,
getting serious about delivering on the kind of important commitments

(34:11):
that were made to New Zealand. You know, we're living
in an era where the government mantra is let's go
for growth. Well, it's clear that the current formula is
not working. Or what I'm advocating are policies that would
give us a serious shot at going for growth. I
know it because I've had to do it before. Like what, Well,

(34:31):
we've got public spending is completely out of control. Even
if we were to wind back the level of public
spending to that that occurred pre the COVID era, would
be in better shape. If we wind back public debt
to below thirty percent of GDP as opposed to heading
for fifty percent of GDP, we'd have more money to
spend on things that matter to us rather than debt servicing.

(34:54):
So we're in a terrible spiral and we've got to
snap out of it, and that we're not going to
snap out of it by making heroic assumptions that we're
going to grow our way out of it. It's clearly
not working. We need to take bold policy strokes in
order to basically unleash the potential that the New Zealand
economy has.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Okay, so what would you cut?

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Well, for a starter, it's clear that superinnuation setting is
completely unsustainable and the government should quick smart announce that
we are going to in relatively short order either it
every six months wrote the age of eligibility rose from.

Speaker 14 (35:35):
Sixty to sixty five.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
We ought to start down that path. We ought to
control the level of public servants. I mean, we've got
a very bloated public feedback.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
What is this?

Speaker 5 (35:50):
I mean, you would get the government into a position
where it's living within its means. We're overspending. We're overspending
and therefore we need to take the kind of decisions
around what is the level of public expenditure that's consistent
with the growth that we want and the public services
that we want to fund.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Would you get that, Ruth? Would you cut the public
servants back to twenty seventeen when I do In took over.
So that's a cut of what maybe fourteen thousand or
something like that, would you do.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Well, that's a pretty good place to start. I mean,
and as we've shown you look at the Ministry Education,
she has been saying we need value for money. That's
where we need to start. The idea that you're going
to get better education by throwing more money at it.
It's clearly not the case. You need fundamental reform so
that we get better value for money for the public

(36:40):
expenditure that is deployed in the important area. So we've
got a quantity problem too much, and we've got a
quality problem too little.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, Ruth, it's good to talk to you. Thank you
very much for your time. Ruth Richards and former financement
is to also chair of the Taxpayers Union.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Ever do for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
The number of criminals escaping their ankle bracelets is shooting out.
So it was back in twenty fifteen just sixty four
people who did this. Last year eight hundred and thirty two.
Tony Stewart is Correction's chief probation officer and with us
Hey Tony sure to head the now. Part of the
reason it's going up is because there are more and
more people who have ankle braslets On.

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Am I right, Yeah, I mean yes, it would seem
that way. There has been over the last ten years
an increase in the number of people that have been
granted electronically monitored bail by the court.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
What are they doing to get out? Are they cutting it?

Speaker 18 (37:31):
Well?

Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, a raft of things. I mean, I guess it
goes without saying that. You know, people have landed themselves
in this position because they've either been charged with or
convicted of breaking the law, and as the data would indicate,
there are a group of people who are determined to
circumvent the system and don't want to be compliant with

(37:52):
those conditions.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, and so what happens if they cut it all
foiler or do something like that? What's the punishment?

Speaker 9 (37:58):
So we've got a so the electronically monitored bail works
through a joint service model between Corrections and police. So
at Corrections we have a twenty four to seven team
of dedicated trained staff who work just around electronic monitoring
and at the time an alert comes through that someone

(38:19):
is tempering or attempting to abscond, that generates an alert
to our team and we are immediately sharing that information
to police that they follow up.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
This says to me that what we should if you've
got this many people who are mucking around with their
ankle brace It's what it says to me is we
should not be putting anyone who is the risks of
the public on an ankle bracelet. Should we.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
Well, Ultimately, the decision as to who is granted electronically
monitored bail or not sits with the courts. We're really
focused on making sure that we do our job, which
is to really carefully and closely monitor their compliance in
terms of the electronic monitoring and as I say, immediately
notifying police when we think that there's evidence that are
tempering or attempting toward scot totally appreciate the concerns of

(39:04):
the public and absolutely here to assure you that we
have a zero tolerance for non compliance with any of
our sentences or orders and in this instance the ALEX
monitoring component of fail And so again, when we've got
that information to suggest that people are doing that, that's
immediately passed on to police for follow up.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, Tony, thanks very much for your time. Tony Stewart Corrections,
Chief Probation Officer.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Ever du for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Do you know you realize it. Do you realize how
easy it is to cut through an ankle bracelet? So
I know this because back in the day when I
was doing the television, we did it once on air
and we got an ankle bracelet. I don't know, how
do we even get our hands on an ankle bracelet,
And we've got our hands on an ankle bracelet. I
feel like corrections might have given us the ankle bracelet
and cut through it on Telly. And because what it

(39:49):
is is basically rubber and it's not a bit like
it's the kind of do you know where you buy
yourself like an Apple, you know, the smart watch, the
Apple smart watch, and you get the rubber bangle thing
on it strap get the rubber strap. It's basically like that.
And then which surprised me because I thought if you
were on an ankle bracelet would be sort of locking
you in, Like I was imagining some sort of medieval

(40:09):
thing where we get that, we get two bus of
metal clank around the ankle, and we bolt you in,
maybe welds you in. You can't get it off. No,
it's like it's just a rubber strap. And in the
rubber strap is a couple of very fine copper wires
that run all the way around, and of course if
you cut through, then you break the connection, and then
and then you know, at some point corrections comes and

(40:30):
salts it out. Anyway, what do you need is just
a pair of scissors from your kitchen, Like that's all.
You don't even need to get go. You don't even
go hard out with like a pair of secateers or
anything like that. It's just a normal, normal bit of
paper scissors all the way through, just one easy cup through.
There you go done. Isn't that mental? Blows my mind
that that's how we can do it. Anyway, I've got
to tell you about the air pods. The new airport

(40:51):
pods sound awesome, So stand by for that quarter past
Reruth Richardson, Heather has she got omnesia. Eight years of
gross misconduct. Remoney can't don't be fixed? It was six years,
wasn't It can't be fixed in less than two years?
And you can't cut more jobs far out. Actually yeah,
you can cut more jobs because no jobs have been
cut out of the public service, which may come as
something of a shock to you. So I wouldn't mind

(41:12):
if some jobs are cut and I'm with Ruth. Cut
it hard. You're paying these people's wages, aren't sitting there
and doing very bloody little to change your life? Nineteen
past five. Now do you remember the story that we
told you last week about the woman who was fined
for being in a private car park for just twenty
seven seconds. Well, now a christ churchman has revealed he
was pained by the same company in exactly the same

(41:33):
car park for parking for only eight seconds. Mike Kelly
is the chair of the New Zealand Parking Association and
is with us. Hello, Mike good here the how are
you well? Thank you? That's pretty outrageous though, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (41:46):
It certainly not what we would consider to be a
fair and reasonable practice.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
So what do we do about it?

Speaker 14 (41:54):
Well, what the Parking Association is doing. Just yesterday actually
we formally released our updated to Practice, which is as
a set of guidelines that we give out to the industry.
Members can subscribe to that they can use that as
a way of showing the public that they are actually
operating in a fair and transparent and what a reasonable manner.

(42:16):
But the thing with private parking is that every time
you enter that site, you in effect enter into a
contract with that operator, and so that that's private. You
know that that's a person to a company that have
entered into that. But that contract has to be fair
and reasonable, and that's what that's what our code sets
out to lay out for people, things like care signage, Okay, hang.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
On a sick night before we go down this path.
Is Parking Services Limited the company that we're talking about
one of your members?

Speaker 14 (42:43):
No, they are not.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Okay, So what good is your code of conduct to
anyone who's been pained by them if that if this
lot is not one of your members.

Speaker 14 (42:51):
So the code of Practice is really there to assure
the public that when they are when they are entering
a car park or that they're going to the services
of a vendor that or that are an operator, that
that operator is put some effort into making sure that operated.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
This operator is not abiding by the code of practice,
is it?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
No, they're not.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
No, do so so, then basically you're on your own
as a punter. Right if you go in this park
car park and these cowboys come at you, you're on
your own. So should you just look at look at
a ticket that they issue you and go that's ridiculous
and not pay it.

Speaker 14 (43:27):
I think, you know, you have to engage. You can't
just ignore it and take it away.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Why not?

Speaker 14 (43:32):
But you know because at the end of the day,
you know that they will they will just keep taking
taking it further and further and further.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So what what happens at the end?

Speaker 20 (43:40):
Then?

Speaker 14 (43:40):
Well, in this case, what the dispatch tribunal appears to
have found that I can't speak specifically about the case,
but the appears to have found that they did not
operate an affair and reason more manner.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
What happens if they keep taking it? Like, keep coming
at you, keep coming at you, keep coming at You're
what's the worse that can happen?

Speaker 14 (43:57):
That I couldn't answer. That's a legal question. I'm afraid
a lawyer, so but it could also, you know, could
also have consequences that you know, I couldn't describe.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
So yeah, why why can't you describe them?

Speaker 14 (44:13):
I'm not a lawyer. You know. The difficulty is that
this is a contract between that organization and this person,
and you know it is fear to say that in
our view, that is far from fear and reasonable.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Outrageous, isn't it? Okay? Mike thank you very much, Mike Kelly,
Chair of the New Zealand Parking Association. Heather, I dropped
some washing off one day and I did some more
the next day, which I think is at the same
car park, because the car parks the laundromat car park,
I got a ticket for parking overnight, huge invoice, and
then I didn't pay it. I think I think we

(44:45):
might have discovered the way that you deal with parking
services limited, which is possibly that you ignore them and
then you see what happens. I don't know, be as
vexatious as they are. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
On your slut speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather fuplic Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talks.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
They'd being five twenty five. We're going to speak to
one of the former Black Ferns because of course got
the Black Ferns playing overnight against Canada. Now do you
remember the electric plane that in New Zealand announced a
couple of years ago that was supposed to fly between
the North and the South Island and deliver New Zealand
post cargo and be here by next year. Yeah, it's
not happening. What a surprise. Turns out the plane is

(45:30):
not going to be here next year and probably not
going to be here for many years because it hasn't
been certified yet. Certification, by the way, is not a
quick process. As the aviation expert Irene King says, certification
can take up to ten or fifteen years, and as
Irene also says, there was maybe a little too much
marketing hype, because of course there was, because of course
that's all it ever was marketing hype, which we knew

(45:53):
because when a New Zealand's kiddy Hanafin, who loves the plane,
came on the show to talk about the plane in
December two years ago, we asked her, is this just
a little bit gimmicky? And she said no, but of
course it was. That's why we asked her. It was
always gimmicky. You could see it. I mean, what use
is a small plane that can't even fly from Wellington
to Parmas to north that's too far for it to go,

(46:14):
that can only deliver parcels, but not too many parcels
because it can't carry too much weight. Of course, it's gimmicky.
This is a lesson to corporates. I think, stop trying
to green wash. It doesn't work. We can see through it.
No one believes a plane that can only fly between
Wellington and Nelson and can't carry anything other than a
few parcels is gonna work in any kind of significant
way to better the airline or the climate. Also, if

(46:36):
you are in a greenwash through these nice climate announcements,
make sure that you actually deliver the thing that you announce,
because if you don't, you just look silly like you
do today. And also, by the way, if you are
an airline that is struggling to meet deadlines and pricing
expectations because everything is going wrong right now, from plane
engines to COVID, maybe stick to just doing your job

(46:57):
because that's big enough. And forget the gimmicks verdopers, the
Allen the air pods can translate languages in your ears.
How cool is that? So this is the new airpod's
Pro three, which is going to set you back a
fair amount of money, So you're not maybe this is
your Christmas present if you've been saving your pennies all year. Anyway,

(47:17):
never mind what it does. I don't want to talk
this down because I'm very excited about it. It uses
artificial intelligence, so it sticking in your ear. It uses
artificial intelligence to do real time translations, using Siri as
a kind of like robot interpreter that immediately converts the words.
So the chap who's written a piece for The New
York Times, Brian Chen, who's done it, was chatting to
his friend who was speaking Spanish Toam and he chucked

(47:39):
the air pods in. He can't speak Spanish. His mate
was speaking Spanish to m He understood everything. Later, he says,
I reviewed a transcript of the conversation on my iPhone
to confirm the accuracy of the translation. Except for a
few mistakes where SyRI mixed up pronouns referring to my
girlfriend's my friend's girlfriend as he it was solid. Now
this this solves out a it problem. Next time he's

(48:02):
doing his little thing on the tiles in Parliament where
he just wants to speak today, just shovy little air
pods and turn on the Mardi translation and you're with
him the whole way. Can't get away with it, Kenny
news Us next.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's heatherdf c Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
They'd be got a surf.

Speaker 11 (48:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
If you think the air pods sound cool, you might
want to hear about the glasses though they don't sound
very cool. These the Apple glasses complete fail by the
looks of things. I'll run you through that before six o'clock. Also,
we've got the sports huddles standing by and we're going
to talk about cool roads as well after six. It's
twenty four away from six. Now we've got the Blackfood
semi final in the Women's Rugby World Cup tomorrow morning.

(48:56):
They're up against Canada, which is going to be interesting
because the last two times the team have met, we
drew once and then we lost once. Step Tehide Fox
played for the Black Ferns at two Rugby World Cups.
High step Kielder, how's it going, I'm well, thanks mate.
How do you rate our chances of beating them? Oh?

Speaker 21 (49:12):
Look, we know how to play finals for the and
going from the last two times, I know that it's
been a loss in a draw and been pretty close
for the girls.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
But New Zealand up for.

Speaker 21 (49:23):
It, and you know they haven't had their full eighty
performance on show yet, but we can see what they
can do in moments and I think if they piece
that altogether, they'll they'll go well tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, how far has I mean, we've obviously made it
all the way through to the squad has made it
all the way through to the finals before. How far
has Canada made it?

Speaker 21 (49:45):
I think they've only ever made it to Oh, they've
made it to the final twenty fourteen. They've played England
and yeah, lost that lost that final. That was the Yeah,
we didn't even make it to the that was before
they had quarterfinals, so we bowed out and didn't even
make it through to the semis. So yeah, Canada made

(50:06):
it through there.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
But then we've got the mean to lead, right because
we've made it through the finals and won the finals
heaps of times.

Speaker 21 (50:12):
Yeah exactly, And that's what that's what I mean about
playing finals for the other girls knowing it's you know,
it's in their blood, and then they know they've they've
got a standard to with hold on that jersey and
I think that they will definitely pull one out for
this and oh, no doubts. It's going to be a
tough game. I mean, as we've seen in the quarterfinals.
South Africa really brought it to the girls, which was good.

(50:35):
I think we had a tougher semi finals, so that's good,
good for the girls going forward. But yeah, it's going
to be a great game.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
How how bad luck is it though to have Georgia
Miller out?

Speaker 21 (50:46):
Oh yeah, I mean she's an amazing player, and I
guess those of us on Kennbury know what she's capable of.
We've seen her come through the ranks and yeah, managed
to have it for one year for Kennbury and she's
you know, she's she's huge talent. But I have no
doubt and now our Lucy's I mean we've got Kennedy

(51:06):
coming through and she's a co captain. You know, she's
got leadership, she's she's got the skills on the field
and she she'll bring it no matter what, She'll do
anything for that team. She'll leave it all on the field.
So I think we've definitely got the beck up. I mean,
it's not ideal, but hopefully she'll be with us for
this for the finals. All going well, but I know
the girls are going to think about one game at

(51:27):
a time and we've got to get this over the line.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
First, good stuff, Steff listen, thank you very much for
talking us through that stuff. Tilill hired the Fox who's
a former Black Feld And by the way, the game
is on six a m twenty one away from.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Six Friday Sports utle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
Find your one of a kind?

Speaker 15 (51:52):
Here comes Jordy Boobs my last barrier as the Canway
and is so cracky?

Speaker 17 (51:58):
How is coming?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
How is best?

Speaker 11 (52:00):
Side by side? And this time it goes to Tamish.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
And he's a win the Hamish Cup.

Speaker 12 (52:06):
The Olympic champion becomes the world champion.

Speaker 8 (52:10):
Stop kay let the colors through.

Speaker 18 (52:14):
Second half excellence and exident once more.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
The Black Ferns.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
Semifinal bound at the Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Right on the sports title this evening we have Andrew
Gordy's sports commentator and Kate Well's one new sports porter.
Hell are you two get a dam?

Speaker 6 (52:30):
How are we good?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Thank you very much?

Speaker 8 (52:32):
Gordy.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Do you think the Black Ferns are going to prevail?

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (52:35):
Of course I do.

Speaker 11 (52:36):
Like I'm going to say anything else on your program
on a Friday afternoon. Yeah, look, I do think they
will prevail and I actually think most of the world
hopes that the Black Ferns prevail because I think when
you consider what most people would say as the top
two teams in the world, they would say England and
New Zealand, and I think, especially when you consider the

(52:57):
last Rugby World Cup final between these two, I think
most rugby fans would love to see a rematch of
these two countries. It's going to be really tough without
George Miller, obviously, but no, I'm certainly back in there.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
We talked about this last week on the Sports title
how little coverage there's been, and it remains the case
that we've hardly talked about it. And what I'm noticing
is a pattern that with the boys when they get
into the Rugby World Cup, we watch every single game,
but with the girls, we don't really tune in until
the finals time, do we.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Well.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
I guess it's just a demographic thing as well. I
know a lot of younger people have been tuning into
most of the games, but I'd say you're probably getting
most people now that it's coming to the finals. I
know there's been a lot of heat on media as well,
but I think if you look and you watch all
the bulletins or you look in the papers every day.
There is coverage there, but like you need that, when
the finals do come around, there is more coverage and

(53:49):
more attention. So I'm excited for it.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Literally just called me old, didn't you. No, well you do.
It's a demographic thing and the young people are tuning
in and if I'm not a young people, what am i?
And old people.

Speaker 10 (54:02):
Also also because there's a lot of you know, content
creators and influence as I call it, that are you know,
they're doing a lot of promo work on social media,
so I think they're attracting more people, younger people who
are on their phones all the time to watch. So
I think that's a great thing.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Now you're willing Kate. Now you're like, oh, the young,
younger people on their phones, not like me, not like
me reading books, my high faluting books. Now, Gordie, what
about that, Jordie Bemershe.

Speaker 11 (54:29):
Wasn't that extraordinary? And do you know, I'll be stunned
if that's not your Halberg Sports moment of the Year.
I just thought it was utterly brilliant and I'm thrilled
for the bloke because that is that moment is going
to set up his entire career like that is that
is the billboard moments the New Zealand athletics. It is
absolutely everything that you know impossible is nothing, you can

(54:50):
do anything, you know, never give up and had all
those whole hearts but didn't it you know? And seeing
seeing the guy come from miles off the pace to
his opponent has two times you know, Olympic and World
debeating champion on the line was just the stuff of legend.

Speaker 20 (55:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Is it still the case that you can be like,
we're really good at all the other stuff in athletics,
but the running is the glory stuff, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (55:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (55:11):
And I think you have to look at the history
as well. New Zealand has such a rich history with
middle distance running and to see that continue is awesome.
I love all the little slogans. Andrew Gordy could probably
come up with a few more, so Jordy Beamish, but
also you have to look at the ones coming through
Sam Ruth. We've heard so much about who's got all
these records as a youngster, seeing what Jordy Beamish has

(55:33):
done is only a good thing.

Speaker 11 (55:35):
And I think looking at the meal table.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
New Zealand is.

Speaker 10 (55:38):
Force behind the Yuis, Kenya and Canada. So those two
gold medals have set New Zealand up really well.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
We are doing well now. Speaking of running, Kate, have
you ever heard of a woman called Ruth Croft?

Speaker 10 (55:52):
Yes, yes, I'm actually I would say a very poor
trail runner compared to Ruth and I followed her quite closely,
and she is an absolute legend. I'm staying awake for
twenty three hours, I think is something, but doing it
running at a very fast paces is unbelievable. So she
is an epic athlete.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I'm so impressed that you. Did you know, Gordy, did
you know who Ruth Croft is?

Speaker 11 (56:16):
I didn't know who Ruth Croft was, but I'm going
to say I have immense respect for anyone who can
do that. I'm in an age now either, and I'm
sure you'll know this, but I have problems with my
right calf muscle just trotting down the stairs every day,
So respect for people like that. Yeah, my knees are
still good, thank god, it's the calves.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Are you looking after your knees if you're doing all
this running well?

Speaker 10 (56:39):
I'm also I love to play meatball and basketball, so
I do get quite sure, you know, past the ten
k mark, I get a bit achy, but I try
to look after myself. But it's probably only going to
get worse, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yes, it is, yes, And then when you're an old
post that you don't know there's a question mark at
the end of that sentence. Kate. Absolutely, It's not like
you have to wait very long because Gordy and I
are only about forty, so it's just around the corner
about yeah, about I will take a break back, come
back and talk about the rugby in a tick sixteen

(57:12):
to six.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand South of East
International Real Team, the Global Leader and Luxury real Estate
right back of.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
The sports shuttle thirteen away from six, Kate Wells Andrew Gordy. Now, Kate,
are you going to be watching cam Roy guard this
weekend to see how he's going?

Speaker 10 (57:28):
I will. I mean, it couldn't be better timing put it.
With all of those injuries to the halfbacks. I think
we're a little bit cursed in that department. I mean,
I hope people don't tackle him too hard. There's some
the kids coming up.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Gordy actually this race is a very good point. I mean,
every player out there must know we need cam Royguard
right for the All Black.

Speaker 14 (57:48):
Let's look after him.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
So they go, they will go, look that we know
we want to beat County's Manacau, but it's more important
that we don't tackle cam roy Guard too hard.

Speaker 11 (57:57):
This is the greatest positional crisis, so I think since
the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup, since Dan Carter and
then who was it, Colin Slade and then we went
through Aaron Crude and down to Petty Weeper and Stephen Donald.
It was just ridiculous. And this is kind of the
situation we're in now. I supposed to concern for me
here there is the guy's had a stress fracture in
his foot, hasn't he. So it's not just so much

(58:19):
don't tackle him, just don't run anywhere from don't want
a pressure on your foot for goodness sake, just put
your feet up.

Speaker 10 (58:26):
You've got to look at Noah Hosten as well, who
they got that quite quickly from ankle injury, and now
he's gone and broke in the other ankle straight away.
So it's like do we really need to play in
But you kind of trust that they're doing the right thing,
you hope.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
So are you know what's up with this rotating captains
and the silver Ferns, Gordy?

Speaker 11 (58:46):
Well, I guess it's a pretty delicate situation in the
Silver Ferns at the moment, isn't it? And with I
suppose a vacuum in the captaincy space, I can kind
of understand that Evet mccauls and jury isn't coming in
to be the heat. She's an interim coach, so she's
not really doesn't really have the authority I suppose to
be making any hard and fast and long term decisions

(59:08):
for this team. She's really just trying to get them
through this period, isn't she. So look, is it something
that I would be advocating for in usual circumstances. Absolutely not.
But these are not usual circumstances.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
But where isn't it? Kate? What do you think's going
on here?

Speaker 18 (59:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (59:24):
Well, I think Andrew's right. They don't have a head
coach in place. Everything's just kind of a you know,
game by game at this stage. But you would like
to think that with the players and the team now,
they do have a you know, two people, two strong
contenters that could be keptain. Whether they just don't want
to do it until they have a head coach splotted in,

(59:45):
you don't know, but I mean you'd like to hope
they keep one or two of the saying throughout the
whole series and it's not just a you know, hand
it out for fun, pick me picnic, because otherwise that
could be quite confusing on the court and be a
bit conflicting and each of the games.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Yeah, well, undoubtedly it will be. Now I tell you
what I found interesting, Guardian, and I want you to
take on it because I know, I mean, you've obviously
been reporting for a fair bit the media. Apparently New
Zealand media were not allowed to ask Liam Lawson any
questions about his future on the F one grid for
next year. Is that weird?

Speaker 11 (01:00:18):
It's totally weird. It's utterly ridiculous, and I'm actually pleased
to see. I don't know who else that involved, but
I did read the stuff article and they see that
they basically.

Speaker 14 (01:00:26):
A media opportunity.

Speaker 11 (01:00:27):
We're exactly the right thing to do. Yeah, if you'd
ever report on the sport or the athlete, and I
don't care what sport it is, the Tuns of that,
we'll ask a questions. It is up to you to
figure out which questions we're going to ask and how
are you going to answer them. I hate this dictatorial
style that we often see from from very very powerful

(01:00:49):
sports and sporting organizations. It's just disrespectful and it's like
we're either here to cover.

Speaker 14 (01:00:55):
It or not.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
You can't have it both ways. I suppose the if
one is just so big and powerful they think they
can throw their weight around like this. But let's see
how far that goes. And I'm sure, look, there's going
to be plenty of plenty of reporters and whatnot that
will suck that up and just tow the line, but
there'll be a few that don't. And if that tips
in the other direction, you're doing great harm to your score.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah, you wouldn't suck us up, would you, Kate?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Oh No?

Speaker 10 (01:01:16):
And I think we're seeing it as well with the
black ferns and saying you're not allowed to ask, we're
not allowed to find out what Georgia Miller's injury is.
I don't know what the big secret is. And going
back to Liam Lawson, I'm sure people would have a
top tier PR team to help him answer a question,
you know, in some roundabout way, but I had. It's

(01:01:36):
just frustrating by taking the mickey a little bit and
trying to control everything, which unfortunately they can't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Kate is the reason that they don't want to tell
people what Georgia Miller's injury is, so that the if
she was to pop up again at some like, let's say,
if we're lucky enough to have her back in the finals,
to avoid the opposing team targeting that part of her body.

Speaker 10 (01:01:55):
Yeah, I honestly have no idea. She was training by
herself yesterday when our team was there on that team naming,
which is unusual because if someone's training, you would think
they're okay. So it's like, is it a head knock?
But they're playing their cardbury close to their chest. But
I just can't believe that they haven't fronted up about it.

(01:02:15):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, that is weird. Good you got a theory.

Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
Yet the only thing that I can potentially think of
is that, let's say it's an injury that rules her
out of the World Cup. If they do that, I'm
pretty sure she has to leave the environment, and perhaps
they don't want to do that or don't deem that
it's necessary. So I'm purely guessing here from the outside.
But if they were to say George's, you know, she's

(01:02:39):
got an injury that's bad enough that she's out of
the World Cup, she would have to leave the environment,
and that's probably something that neither the player nor the
team wants at this particular point in the tournament. So
that's my rogue theory. Take it or leave it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Well, you know it's better than it's no worse than
any other we've heard. Thank you guys, appreciate it. Enjoy
your week in the sport. Andrew Gordy and Kate Wells. Right,
we'll deal with the Mark Zuckerberg fail next. Seven away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Heather my Georgia Miller. Theory is that it's a lady
issue injury that's too private to discuss. What are you
talking about? It's the black ferns. You know, you talk
about everything, talk about all your lady issues. Is absolutely fine.
Four away from six. Now, you think that when Apple
rolls out technology, they try the stuff beforehand, and they
tested to the nth degree to make sure it works.

(01:03:31):
But when Mark Zuckerberg was speaking at the live launch
event for Metsa's new aiglasses, he tried and I stress.
He tried to show how the glasses can pick up
a WhatsApp call.

Speaker 22 (01:03:41):
So I think our call will be coming in any moment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Now WhatsApp video call.

Speaker 22 (01:03:47):
There we go, Oh, why, let's what happened. That's too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I don't know what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
It's not a big deal, right, So she had another go, okay.

Speaker 22 (01:04:01):
There's the actual video call. All right, I'm just gonna
pick that up with my my neural band. This is
you know, it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
It does happen. So he tried a third time and
it didn't work. And it's getting awkward now, so he
tries a fourth time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Let's go for a fourth all right, try it again.

Speaker 22 (01:04:32):
I keep on messing this up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Someone's going to get fired. He tries it again.

Speaker 22 (01:04:38):
I don't know what to tell you, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
All right, but.

Speaker 22 (01:04:45):
We're gonna buzz come out here, and we're just going
to go to the next thing I wanted to show.

Speaker 21 (01:04:49):
And he's up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Go to the next thing. The glasses look like ray bands,
you're going to be able to buy them for eight
hundred US dollars at the end of the month, but
maybe you don't want to because I don't know, it
doesn't look like they're working anyway. There's there is more.
There is more of this, so standby. We'll get to
it and speak to Nick Legan of Infrastructure New Zealand
for next about Transmission Gully.

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Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Evening. Coming up in the next hour, Peter Lewis is
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past BARRYSOAPA will wrap the political week that was and
Gavin Gray on Donald Trump leaving the building. It's coming
up eight past six. Now do you need any more
proof that new roads are great? I've got some for you.
New analysis claims three major road projects around Wellington have
delivered a combined benefit of one hundred and seventy three

(01:05:45):
million dollars, no deaths and quicker journeys. So the study
looked at Transmission Gully MacKaye's to Peckapicker and Peck Pecker
to Utucky Transmission Gully save drivers combined one point nine
million hours across last year. McKay's to Pickapecker save one
point two million hours. And Nick Legget is the Chief
Executive of Infrastructure New Zealand, which is of course behind
the research. Nick, Hello, hello, Heather Worth worth all of

(01:06:09):
the money spent on this, worth.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
All the money spent.

Speaker 23 (01:06:12):
I mean, as you say, we know new roads are
good and deliver benefits, but New Zealand does an appalling
job of actually looking over our shoulder and evaluating these projects.
And then we wonder why it's so difficult to make
project ideas stick. You know, we have a poor planning
system and a funding system. We know that, but actually

(01:06:35):
you know we're also a bit of a bunch of naysayers,
so we do need to build an evidence space. And yeah,
I'm an Infrastructure New Zealand is a small shop, but
we worked with Infometrics in the Wellington and carpety and
put into our councils to get this off the ground.
One hundred and seventy three million dollar benefits and that's
just in one year. So if you think over ten years,
over twenty years, over thirty years, that all accumulates and

(01:06:58):
you've got roads that more than pay for them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah, I see. Transmission Gully saved drive is an average
of nine minutes per trip that brings the trip from
what down to what.

Speaker 23 (01:07:07):
Well, it depends where you're coming from obviously. I mean
if you drive from Wellington to Parmas to north you're
probably saving fifteen minutes one way across all these roads.
But at peak time this is the amazing thing. If
you're driving from Carperdy to Wellington at the peak hour,
Transmission Gully saves thirty seven minutes one way. Now, I

(01:07:28):
mean that's just that's a mammoth saving. And you think
about the time that people have got to do other
things in their lives, you know, whether it's working, being
productive you know economically, or just spending time with their family.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
If you've got that right, thirty seven minutes yeah, yeah,
how was it taking people to drive down.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
Well It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I mean, the.

Speaker 23 (01:07:52):
Carperty to Wellington saving at peak time is that's that's
the huge that's the huge benefit here because you could
often spend it and it wasn't unheard of for people
to spend an hour an hour and a quarter in
the car, so.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Just one way.

Speaker 23 (01:08:06):
So yeah, just and you mentioned the safety, I mean
touch wood. We haven't had a death on any of
these new roads yet and that's the other benefit and
we've seen that with other roads and national significance as well.
So the trauma and you know, the tragedy that better
roads save us as a nation are pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Now listen, what's been in the impact on property values.

Speaker 23 (01:08:32):
Well, what's happened is that there's been a better, a
greater rebalancing between high Wellington property prices and those and
put it are on the carpety coast. So what it
appears these roads have done is just you know, equalize
out that price. And that's because people can obviously get
to Wellington faster, and it's also it's an easy of

(01:08:55):
access that makes it more attractive to live outside the city.
Although to be fair, you know we've COVID and that's
probably you know that could have contributed to that sort
of move as well. But for places like Puttidua, where
of course I've got a bit of a personal interest
that there are now seventy four thousand more people who
live within sixty minutes of the pututo A city center.

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
So you think about what that does.

Speaker 23 (01:09:19):
It just makes it more accessible, It sort of cements
it more as a as a central hub for the
Wellington region as an alternative to Wellington City. And then
the unlocking of the Carpety Coast. I think we're going
to see massive growth on Carpety and it's already happening,
but in the years to come. And that's the other
point here, right, Like, it doesn't all just happen at once.
We're pretty small country, but this will have this will

(01:09:42):
reverberate positively, I think for decades.

Speaker 14 (01:09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
And by the way, did I see that they've broken
the soil on the Melling Interchange?

Speaker 6 (01:09:49):
They have?

Speaker 23 (01:09:49):
Yeah, it's another great project for the Wellington region. And
so hither we want leadership on these projects. You know,
infrastructure New Zealand spends a lot of time saying, look,
we want greater by partisanship around of the structure, and
we do, but we want political courage to lead out
and say on behalf of business and communities. We do

(01:10:10):
need better safer roads in different parts of the country.
And what we hope is that providing this kind of
evidence will make politicians braver and get more agreement across
the aisle that actually roading is something that is a
country we should be investing and if we want to
be prosperous.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what that thirty seven minutes
is pretty convincing. Nick, Thank you as always. Nick leag at,
Chief Executive Infrastructure, New Zealand. It's coming up thirteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Six, Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Whether that is a meta product fail not an Apple fail?
Quite right, Ray, And I'm sorry about that. It wasn't
the only fail of the day, by the way, what
was happening to Mark Zuckerberg? Earlier? Mark had a helper
trying to demonstrate that the glasses can help you to cook.
The guy is a chef called Jack Munkuso, and he
hasn't done anything right. He's standing in front of an

(01:10:58):
empty bowl with the bunch of ingredients and asks the glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
What do I do? First?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
You've already combined the base ingredients, so now greet the
pair and generally combine it with the bass sauce.

Speaker 17 (01:11:11):
All right, I think the WiFi might be messed up.

Speaker 22 (01:11:13):
Sorry, back to you, Mark, It's all good. You know what,
It's all good. It's uh. The irony of the whole
thing is that you spend years making technology and then
the Wi Fi at the day kind of catches you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, no, this is not convincing it because if your
WiFi is stuffing up, Mark Zuckerberg wine is definitely stuffing up.
I don't have Wi Fi like you, so my glasses
aren't going to work. So anyway, best of luck with that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Convince Kwy Safer. You're in good heads, Please talk Feather.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I use transmission Gully often traveling from CARPETI and back
to Wellington and the hut is of property Valuer. Previously
it would take me seventy five to ninety minutes peak time.
Now it's forty five minutes. I mean that's remarkable. It's
also I mean, what is that that's a saving of
in some cases forty five minutes. It's nut so how good.
It's also now totally predictable, so I don't have to
factor in a contingency of twenty to thirty minutes to

(01:12:25):
allow for traffic jams should they happen. Thank you, Peter,
seventeen past six now Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent, of course,
raps the political week that was Welcome back.

Speaker 8 (01:12:33):
Barry, hello again here right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
How big a deal do you? I mean, obviously the
GDP contraction, the shock that it was was a big deal.
But is it a lasting big deal?

Speaker 8 (01:12:41):
No, I don't believe so. I mean, if you read
all the data now that it's come through as a
result of the stats firm, I mean contly well, no, Politically,
I think things are going to bounce back, and I think,
you know, it may not be as rapid over this
quarter that we're currently in, but the final quarter of
this year, I think we'll see a better one. And

(01:13:03):
we have to for if national wants to go into
the election year in some way confident. But confidence is
all about the mood of the general public, and if
we're always talking stuff down, the public get in a
very depressed state and it's very hard politically to survive

(01:13:24):
in that. Let's hope the all Blacks when next week
against the Wallabies, because if the Wallabies beat the All Blacks,
I think you know this. Governments down well, I think generally.
I mean, if you read the media, you know things
are being talked down. No matter what is being done
that may be positive, you never really hear about it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
Barry.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
I mean, look, I'm open to criticizing the media as
much as you are, but you can't be Pollyanna about this.
This is the hardest recession that anyone alive can remember.

Speaker 8 (01:13:55):
I'm not doubting that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
What do you expect people to do to pretend well?

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
I think they have to put their thinking caps on,
as they did in nineteen eighty four to eighty seven,
and know that to get out of a situation in
that case left by Rob Muldoon, you've got to really
work very hard and it takes some considerable time to
turn the tanker around.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Are you talking about the government needs to put their
thinking caps on?

Speaker 8 (01:14:21):
No, I'm talking about the public when they go out
and respond to these opinion polls. I mean to say
that basically the government is at fault for not doing
what it said it was going to do. It's done
many positive things, it's a very hard time to be
in government. One job I would not like at the
moment is to be the finance minister. But you know,

(01:14:45):
and to have a reserve bank, I must say that
is so called independent from the government doing what it's
done in recent months. So you know, I think you're
going to see a fifty basis point reduction next month
in the ocr followed by another twenty five points before
the end of the year, and then we'll see that

(01:15:07):
money being injected into the economy and the country feeling
better about itself.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Well what you hope so and you can't be sure
of that though, because we're about we've talked about the
country being feeling better about itself and twenty five and
we're not right. So that's the problem. And this is
and that pole that you talked about, I think is
a very big moment for this government where they probably
already realized it, but we didn't realize as the media
and commentators how much this government are being blamed by

(01:15:33):
voters for what has happened.

Speaker 8 (01:15:34):
Oh, I think we probably in a way did that
because things hadn't been turned around as quickly as they
could have been. We've seen national really floundering in the
opinion pole stakes, and not even but the Prime Minister himself.
And I don't think you know, I've watched what thirteen
prime ministers since I've been covering the political beat, and

(01:15:56):
Luxton is no worse than a lot of them. Everybody's
saying he's got no idea. Well, I'm sorry, I think
Chris Luxon will turn out to be quite a good
prime minister of this country.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Okay, Shane Jones, the Deputy Leader of New Zealand, were
making Shane Jones the Deputy Leader, to put Stuart Nash
in his box when he gets into news. I hardly
think that's a problem now, No.

Speaker 8 (01:16:21):
No, I think the message you've been sent out to
stew quite clearly that don't expect a leadership role in
New Zealand. First, but in fairness to Stu Nash, he
says he would like to be back in the cabinet
at a cabinet position, and I think you know that
wouldn't be a bad thing actually. But the other scenario
that it lays open, of course, is is Winston the

(01:16:45):
octagenarian about to call it quits. Ironically, he's celebrating the
eightieth anniversary of the United Nations, which means it started
in the very year that Winston was born.

Speaker 11 (01:16:59):
So here he is.

Speaker 8 (01:16:59):
It's appropriate that he will be addressing the United Nations
on its birthday, and he's not long celebrated his eightieth birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Listen, very quickly, we talked about Bussy yesterday and the
fact that they were doing their validatory speech, and somebody
text in and said, you know, despite how you may
feel about Bussy, it is inappropriate that Bussy had death threats.
Oh and it's basically hounded out of office for them.

Speaker 8 (01:17:20):
That goes for anyone. Yeah, but you know, for this
man to do what he did publicly on the I said, man,
I should have said they to do what they did
on the social media. I think he is the author
of his own Oh sorry, they are the author of
their own misfortune.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Okay, that's enough.

Speaker 8 (01:17:41):
Thank god, I don't have to go on with that anymore.
He's now gone.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Okay, Barry, thanks very much. Barry so Senior political correspondent.
Oh hey, listen, news has just broken. You remember Murray
Deeker's Phota cowentry. It was like you remember that just
being given permission to get rid of it. So Deeks
will be a happy man this evening. We have to
talk about Justinda's movie next six to twenty three, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
That'd be Peter Lewis is going to be with us
out of Asia just after the news. Now the Prime
Minister's movie is playing tomorrow at the movie houses, and
judging by one of our staff has just taken it
upon herself, Emma, to do some research, and it would
appear that the Prime Minister's movie, Jacinta ar Durn's movie
is not a hit in Auckland by the looks of things.

(01:18:38):
So it's playing at the Silkiot. We just looked at
the Silkiota right. It's playing at the Silkiata in Iraqi.
There's one screening and they've only pre sold six seats
out of forty five seats. In Takanini they've only pre
sold two seats out of forty five seats. They're not
even playing it at the Silkyotta and Pons and me
because they know their audience and they know yeah, no

(01:18:58):
want to watch that. Okay, well, let's compare it to
Downtown Abbey. I mean, maybe people just don't pre buy
tickets anymore for things, right, So, at Iraqi, where it's
pre sold, this movie has pre sold. The Prime Minister
has pre sold thirteen percent of the seats. Downton Abbey
pre sold thirty four percent of the seats. The Roses
pre sold seventeen percent of the seats. Over at TAKANINNY,

(01:19:18):
Prime Minister pre sold four point five percent of the seats,
down to An Abbey nine percent, the Roses six percent.
So we thought, well, maybe there's a problem in Auckland,
Like maybe Auckland is just really still carrying a lot
of a lot of resentment and psychological unhappiness about what
happened in the lowdown. So we thought, let's have a
look down country. Wow, that would appear to be the case. Nelson,

(01:19:42):
they are doing one screening of Prime Minister, pre sold
forty percent of the seats. Nelson's fizzing for j Cinder.
Nelson is there for Cinder christ Church. They've pre sold
twenty seven percent of the seats. So yeah, so yay, yay,
the movie's going to do well in the South Island
and not particularly well in the North Filing by the
looks of things, and very not at all well and

(01:20:03):
pond some me but they're not even showing it. Twenty
seven past.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Six Showbiz, mak you it makes us fall better, faster, younger.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Yes, he's back, Kanye or yay or whatever. Ye I
don't even know whatever. He's been in the dog box
a bit lately because he went a bit maga and
that was fine, and then he tried to run for president.
It was a bit weird. But then he just went
off the rails completely and got banned from performing in
multiple venues around the UK because he wanted to perform
his new song, which uses the frail harl Hitler frase
heil Hitler in the chorus and that's not okay. So

(01:20:34):
while he went down that path, it turns out someone
was filming a little bit like Clark Gayford doing the
old filming all the time. Nico b Lester Ross, eighteen
years old, started filming Kanye, got three thousand hours of
exclusive footage with the rapper. He's now edited down to
a nearly two hour documentary.

Speaker 7 (01:20:50):
I'm off my mariage for five months down and I
got with a spiritual connection.

Speaker 17 (01:20:55):
I'm here to take over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Get used to it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Good crystality.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I'm a few years ago. It's a universe. We could
talk about that later. A vote.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
That's Kim. You can hear Kim Kardashians. There's gonna be
some juicy stuff. It's out today in the US. The
Guardian has given it four out of five stars, keeping
it that might be more popular than Prime Minister is
going to be in Ponsonby at the Salkiata News is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Next, maybe Miss.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
King if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
The Business Hour with him, the DUP c Allen and
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Speaker 11 (01:21:39):
Be will right, it's about you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
And what is Bill?

Speaker 20 (01:21:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
I confell you anything, Peter Lewis, it's gonna be us
very shortly before I get to him, can I just
tell you we've got to talk about why ABC? Like
how it was that the ABC decided to cut Jimmy
Kimmel's show How That All unfolded? Great piece in the
Wall Street Journal about so run you through a very
shortly twenty four away from seven and as I said,
Peter Lewis, our Asia business correspondent, is with me right now,

(01:22:05):
hy Peter, Good evening, Heather. All right, So what's going
on with the economy in China?

Speaker 17 (01:22:11):
Slowing? Slowing quite a lot, in fact, because if you
look at the data that came out earlier this week,
retail sales and industrial production at the lowest levels now
of the year. And this has been going on for
three or four months, so it's not just a one off,
it's not just weather related factors. There clearly is a

(01:22:31):
gradual slow down. The thing that's helping the economy is
actually the first half of the year was pretty good.
The economy grew about five point three percent. So unless
we get a really sharp slow down now in the
remaining few months of the year, which threatens China's five
percent growth target, I don't think the authorities are going
to be too worried. They're not going to rush out

(01:22:54):
and do lots of stimulus. The reason why we're seeing
this slow down is it comes down to their old
theme again. Property property carries on falling. The price of
new homes and existing homes just seems to keep on
declining month after month. If you look at the data
in Beijing property prices. New home prices now down nineteen

(01:23:16):
percent from just one year ago, and that has a
big drag on overall consumer household economic sentiments because property
is the biggest part of a Chinese household's assets. Sometimes
they have two or three properties in fact, which are
owned by sort of several generations of the same sort

(01:23:38):
of family. But this is really holding back the economic
growth in the mainland. What is doing well, surprisingly maybe
given that there's a trade war going on with the US,
is exports are holding up very well. Now they've collapsed
to the US, they're down by about a third now

(01:23:58):
over the past few months, but they're really growing in
other parts of the world, particularly the emerging markets of
Southeast Asia, Middle East, Latin America. And this is deliberate
part of Jijinping's policy to go and really move away
from being dependent upon the US and finding new sources
of business, sources of growth and where they can sell

(01:24:22):
Chinese goods to and that's working very well. So that
is holding up the economy. If it hadn't been for exports,
the economy will be far worse.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Yeah, And speaking of the relationship with the US, where
are we at with TikTok.

Speaker 17 (01:24:35):
Well, Scott Bessens, who was in Madrid at the beginning
of the week meeting his Chinese counterparts. Hurley Feng, who
is the Chinese Vice Premier and responsible for negotiating these
trade deals, announced that a deal had been reached with TikTok. Now,
you remember the bill that Joe Biden signed into law
a year or so ago called for either TikTok to

(01:24:58):
be sold by byte Dance, the Chinese parent company that
owns it, to an American controlled company, or it had
to shut down in the US. So discussions over this
have been going on for a long time, and it
appears that now TikTok will be put into a US
company that's eighty percent owned by US investors like Oracle,

(01:25:21):
and twenty percent by Chinese investors. So at first site,
all well and good. Looks like, you know, they've done
what they said they would do, divest the company ow
to byte Dance, put it into a US company. But
here's the thing. The whole thing about TikTok is its algorithm.
The algorithm is the secret source behind how TikTok works,

(01:25:42):
which directs people to certain videos and the US sees
the algorithm as a national security risk because it could
be used for propaganda purposes, could be used to mislead
young people in the country, influence elections, and so on.
So the law had always insisted that the algorithm is
really what needs to be put into the US company.

(01:26:06):
Now this is where it looks like it could well
be another taco trade. In other words, Trump always chickens out.
What it looks like according to the Chinese is that
they will remain keep control over the algorithm. It will
stay in Beijing, it will be owned by byte Dance,
and they will license it to this American company. Now

(01:26:26):
that is very different. A licensing agreement is very different
from it being divested and sold to the American company,
because it means the Chinese company Byte Dance, will still
retain control over the algorithm. So it looks like once
again this could be another win for China, and how
it's being portrayed by Scott Bessant is not quite what

(01:26:49):
was initially envisaged when the law was signed into effects
by Joe Biden. Will learn more today because Eujinping and
Donald Trump are going to speak about it on the
phone and said if they can agree the terms of
this service sale fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Will keep an eye out for that. Peter, as always,
thank you very much and have yourself a lovely weekend.
That's Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent, eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Together do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Now, apparently the reason that ABC cut the Jimmy Kimmel
Show was because he was going to go on it again,
because of course it's a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday show.
He was going to go on and again and talk
about the Charlie Kirk comments again, and the bosses thought
he was going to make it worse. So this is
according to the Wall Street Journal. He made the comments
on the Monday show, and then a couple of days later,
the Federal Communications Commission chairman, who's Brendan Carr, and you

(01:27:35):
know you're aware of this, this is none of this
is news. He took a crack at Jimmy Kimmel for
what he'd said and then suggested that the FCC could
take action against the broadcast licenses of ABC owned stations. Now,
that freaked out the advertisers and affiliates who started calling
ABC and they were worried about it. And then two broadcasts,
and this is where it starts to go really pair
shape for Jimmy Kemmel. Two broadcasting companies, Sinclair and Next Star,

(01:27:58):
they get involved. Between them, they they own more than
sixty local ABC stations. The executives of those two companies
call ABC. They say, because of Jimmy of cars comments,
Brendan Carr's comments at the FCC, they would definitely stop
taking the Jimmy Kimmel show because, as discussed earlier by
Jonathan Kurzley, they've got they need the FCC on board
with him. Right then on Wednesday, on Wednesday, makes the comments.

(01:28:21):
On Monday, on Wednesday, before the show, Dana Walden, the
co chair of Disney, which owns ABC, has a meeting
with Jimmy Kimmel, and in that meeting, Kimmel says he's
going to talk about the car comments on the show
that night. He's planning to say that his words were
being purposefully twisted by some members of MAGA. So Dana
goes it was like, oh, hell, doubling down is never

(01:28:45):
a good idea. She goes away, she speaks to other executives.
They think about it. They think, now this is going
to make the whole situation worse. So they also discussed
the staff safety. There have been threatening emails center to
staff on the show that have been received after Carr's comments,
and some of the personal information has been posted online
and blah blah blah. So then she calls in the
chief executive, Bob Iger, and between the two of them,

(01:29:07):
this is Dana and Bob. Between the two of them,
they decide to temporarily take Jimmy Kimmel Live off the air,
and then she informs Jimmy Kimmel of the decision, and
it's Gomberger from that point. As a result, they may
now have to refund advertising because advertisers have bought advertising
around has show. And also this big thing, this big extravaganza.
He was going to do it some later date, and
that is how the whole thing erupted. I do wonder

(01:29:31):
this question is not answered, but you have to wonder
if he hadn't wanted to double down, would he have
been safe sixteen away from seven, encroaching.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
It's Heather due for Sea Allen with the Business Hour,
and Maz for insurance Investments and Kiwie Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
You're in good hands. News Talk said, be high here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
There is ratings. This is Jimmy Kimmel. His ratings were dropping.
This was just convenience to get rid of rid of him.
Perhaps so, Ben, and you're not the first person to
say that. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray UK correspondents
with US Hello, Gevin, either have So the court failed
in its bit to stop the sky getting flown out.

Speaker 20 (01:30:07):
Yes, and I think this court ruling will be extremely
good news for the government. Well, it is very good
news for the government, but I think it's also going
to have wide ranging ramifications. So the government this week
here in the UK has begun using its one in,
one out deal with France. So what it means is
people who have arrived here illegally will be selected and

(01:30:28):
flown back to France where they came across from a
small boat. But in return, the UK will accept somebody
subject to criminal conviction checks that they haven't got any
but also somebody that has not been caught trying to
come across the channel before illegally. In other words, this
is all about the terrence. Now, the first person went

(01:30:50):
yesterday bizarrely an Indian national. I say that because the
UK could have just kicked him out and sent him
back to.

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
India anyway, rather than using this deal.

Speaker 20 (01:30:58):
Now, however, an error tro man has gone across this morning.
And that's an important one because right at the eleventh
hour he was due to be deported and then was
told and then rather his legal team said, oh, actually
we think he might have been trafficked human traffic. Now
that's a different ballgame altogether. His deportation was suspended. But

(01:31:20):
the judges, no, I come back and said, look, France
is a safe country. You can carry on your claims
of being human traffic over there.

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
You don't have to be here for it. So I
am sending you abroad.

Speaker 20 (01:31:31):
And I think if that hadn't been the case, the
ruling had gone the other way, many many other people
who were being detained would simply have claimed human trafficking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Yeah, perhaps now so Trump. Trump's admitted he didn't want
Sadik Khan at the banquet.

Speaker 20 (01:31:45):
Yeah, that should be of no surprise. The pair have
had an ongoing spat for some time. It's the latest
war of words to the feud, with Trump in twenty nineteen,
calling Sadik Khan Sir Sadi Khan, the mayor of London
a stone cold loser, Sir Sadiq called Donald Trump, accusing
him of stirring up far right politics.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Now.

Speaker 20 (01:32:07):
Trump then said the mayor's governing of London was a
disaster on immigration, and so it goes on anyway. On
the flight back after a very successful state visit here
in the UK, Donald Trump told reporters on Air Force One.
On the flight, I'm cidecum wanted to come to the
state banquet, but I said no and he didn't come.

(01:32:30):
But actually we're hearing from Sadiq's office that of the
off the record, he didn't seek to be invited. He
wasn't invited. He didn't want to be invited. So take
what you get from that. But either way, I think
this government will be very pleased how the two day
state visit went, and very pleased that Donald Trump remained
remarkably on message for the two days.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Kevin, what do you reckon? The scientific evidence is that
the mccrons are going to present to court.

Speaker 20 (01:32:58):
Oh, this is a this is one from the bizarre
but true fact file. So Emmanuel Matt Cron and his
wife are going to court over a right wing American
influencer called Candace Owens. She has claimed for a long
time that Bridget Macron, the first Lady of France, was
born a male.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
It's a rumor that's been going round and around.

Speaker 20 (01:33:22):
On the internet, along with allegations that she might be
some kind of an ape as well. I mean the
stuff you get on these social media channels anyway. So
they've decided that they are going to take her to court,
and now they say they're going to send photographic evidence
as well as some scientific evidence no doubt about hormone levels,

(01:33:42):
things like that to the litigators in order to say, look,
you need to apologize, and by the way, we are
demanding quite some compensation.

Speaker 6 (01:33:52):
It is an extraordinary tale.

Speaker 20 (01:33:53):
I can't think of any other senior politicians or world
leaders or their wives who have sent photos to try
and prove through a man or a woman as unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Gavin, thank you very much. Enjoy your weekend. Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent. By the way, staying in the UK, Jeremy
Corbyn's new party is already falling apart, says, of course
set the thing up with Zara Sultana. They are having
the two of them are having a falling out. She's
accused Jeremy Corbyn of running a sexist boys club. They're
fighting about an email that was sent out to supporters,
and the emails were sent out said you know you

(01:34:22):
can sign up fifty five pounds per year or five
pounds per month or whatever. Jeremy Corbyn then came out
and said the email was unauthorized, should be ignored by
all supporters. Legal advice is being taken. Zara Sultana then
confirms she's launched the whole thing without permission after being
frozen out of official accounts. So that's not going well,
is it? Eight away from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Listen before I go, did you know the Wiggles are
having a court fight. It sounds it sounds like it's not.
It's not. The Wiggles are not what you expect the
Wiggles are. So this is the court. We know that
the lawsuit is happening because the lawsuit's being brought by
Luke O'Neill who's the former chief executive, but we didn't
know any of the details of it. And the lawsuits
against Anthony Ho's the Blue Wiggle because it appears Anthony

(01:35:13):
fired Luke and the reason that Anthony fired lucas because
Luke complained about Anthony making financial decisions that benefited his
family members. He says he was undermined by the Blue
Wiggle in a meeting this year in front of more
than a dozen staff. He says he was excluded from
a key meeting with Kmart over toy sales after he
made complaints to the Blue Wiggle and about the Blue Wiggle,

(01:35:35):
and then he was sacked as the chief executive and
late May this year, he wants a payment of a
bonus that he claims he is owed, in addition to
compensation and penalties for alleged contraventions of legal protections and
blah blah blah. Anyway, what happened the family thing? I
was like, what's blue Wiggle being doing with the family? Well,
apparently the Blue Wiggle was determined to implement a special

(01:35:58):
bonus planned for a friend as well as for his
daughter's boyfriend. The daughter is a wiggle as well. Lucier Lucier,
Luchier lu Chier. Now I know you're going Ho's lu Chier,
but if that, but that's because you're not a parent
of a toddler. If you're a parent of a toddler,
you know exactly who lu Chier is. And I did
not know that lu Chier was the Blue Wiggles daughter.

(01:36:19):
So you learned something new every day. Libby, it's the Wiggles.

Speaker 18 (01:36:23):
No, I'm kidding, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Do you know what I would be That would completely
not phase me. I would have been like, oh, yep,
that's a normal day.

Speaker 18 (01:36:31):
Absolutely, it's actually this is one of my favorite artists, Ray,
who was just released a brand new song, which we
didn't see coming because she told us last year that
she does things old school, writes everything down pen and paper,
all her new music, and all of those notebooks got stolen,
so we were like, oh, we won't see that new
music for a while. But here it is. She's managed
to remember some of the songs, I guess. And this

(01:36:53):
song is called Where's My Husband?

Speaker 20 (01:36:54):
Go On?

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Then do a little company? What kind of music is
a slippy I'd slay R and B.

Speaker 23 (01:37:05):
Jazzy surprises me that you're into R and B.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
I was expecting you to be into sort of like Irish.
I don't know those boys those up those boys who
play with their little Irish fiddle. What do they call
some munthard and sons? Oh, I'll picture as a month
heards and sons like a folksy.

Speaker 18 (01:37:24):
Huh, I'm being type cast.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Yeah, have you heard the show? Everybody's typecast, including me. Anyway,
here we go Ho new Libby likes R and B
enjoy it. We'll see you again, said.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Your husband is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
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