Full Show Podcast: 2 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newswakers to get the real story. It's Andrew
Dickens on hither dupe to see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected new stalk
said B.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
That's good afternoon. It is the second of August. I'm
Andrew Dickens. This is my last day. Heather is back
on Monday after being on leave. What's on the program today?
Five years after the Musk attack, the government declares the
end to enacting the Royal Commission's recommendations. Eight recommendations have
been canceled. What are they and why are they being canceled?
Judith cons just after five o'clock today today in the

(00:35):
Olympics is a big sailing day. We've talked to Barbara
Kendall and find out why is she in Tahiti. And
we'll talk to the trauma surgeon who says speed of
it's around schools is a good idea because he's seen
the damage done. These stories are more to come. You
can text on ninety two ninety two. Small charge does
apply and you can email me Dickens at News talk
to A B dot co dot and zied. It is

(00:57):
eight after four zid B. So the really good news
over the course of this week was that it snowed,
and it's snowed big time. In fact, it dumped. And
this is great news for the Skifields who have been
surviving on man made snow the whole time, and now
they've got some real stuff. And this is good. And
the wild and wooly weather arrived in the week that

(01:17):
we learned that we are no more ready for a
natural disaster today than we were before Cyclone. Gabrielle or
gabriel to her friends. A few weeks ago, work stopped
on the COOP project. You may have heard about this
on Tuesday when we're talking to the Prime Minister. So
the COOP projects COP stands for Common Operating Platform. It's

(01:42):
a data system that could mean that any agency involved
in a disaster can communicate with each other in real time.
It's making sure that all the computers and all the
phones can all talk to each other, and everybody's got
contact lists and we can become one big team sorting stuff.
We need one for all sorts of things. We need
it for weather events. Obviously we didn't have it before, Gabrielle.

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We need it for bushfires, We would need it in
terrorist attacks. We would need it in invasions. Everyone needs
to be able to access it and want to talk
in police and fire and army and ambulance and civil events.
And then once we have a COP common operating platform
and the whole thing can be coordinated either from a
local level or a regional level, or you can go

(02:27):
down to the basement of the beehive and do it
from a central position. Most places have a COP, we don't.
Not having a common operating system was cited as the
major failure in Gabrielle. This is a big thing. I
was very glad to hear the Prime Minister of Mike Hoskin,
talking about it earlier in the week. But after describing
the problem, the PM then said, you can see how

(02:49):
big our turnaround job is with this country, and yes
it is. And then Mike read out a text complaining
that dird and Robertson were asleep bit the wheel over
the US issue of the COP and I just thought, oh,
here we go again. Blaming the previous administration for this
thing is why sometimes nothing ever happens, and we do

(03:12):
it a lot. Labor used to do it about national
now nationals doing it about labor and the reality about
the cop program creating a common operating system. It all
started in twenty fourteen under the John Key administration. His
cabinet also ordered spatial data infrastructure be built to house

(03:33):
the common operating platform infrastructure that all New Zealanders could
use to improve their business communication. And according to MB,
if we had it, it'd be worth billions to our economy.
But they failed. They didn't make it twenty fourteen. The
bil English administration then failed to implement a system, and
then the Durned administration, and then the Hipkins administration and

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now the lux of administration because they've let the parties
walk away just a few weeks ago. And the common
factor in all these failures over a decade is the
public service. The problem has always been the inability of
the public services involved to agree. They are loath to

(04:15):
share their data apparently, and they're worried about privacy, and
there's the rub okay for this country. Politicians and governments
come and go, but the public service is forever. And
in this case, I think they've been a bit slack.
And whenever I get stuck into public service, I'm told
off for punching down that the buck stops at the

(04:37):
top with the minister. And I understand that too. However,
at some stage, when you've been waiting for something that
the whole country needs, both in terms of disaster and
for our business efficiency and our productivity, if you've been
waiting ten years for the public service to get it together,
at some stage you've just got to stop blaming the
coach that you've got to start sacking some players used

(05:00):
talk sid be right, let's talk about Uber eats. A
orchand eatery is sending out a SOS to customers to
stop using Uber eats. And this is a Friday, this
is a takeaway night. Fried Chicken Headquarters in Henderson says
every order is losing money. It's all because of the
fees and admin costs that Uber eats charge. And so
now the eatery is calling for customers to order in store,

(05:24):
threatening that they might have to close because they're not
getting enough business. Jury La Nina is the co owner
of Fried Chicken Headquarters and it's with us now. Hello, Judy, yep,
how good is your chicken?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Mate?

Speaker 5 (05:38):
You can come try yourself?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah? Can I order it on Uber Eats?

Speaker 6 (05:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I can't. You don't like Uber eats? Why don't you
like Uber eats.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Well, we had a report that we received back in
twenty first March twenty twenty four. It was on a Saturday.
We had some sales that equated roughly to four hundred
and nineteen dollars, and after Uber Eats fees and commission,
we deducted all the way down to three hundred and

(06:05):
fourteen dollars. However, that's not all the fees on ubery.
So just to break it down, just really quickly, because
I know it's a lot of numbers, I'm just going
to add it up together. The additional fees that went
to three hundred and thirteen dollars, we minus that with

(06:26):
our net sails, which we come down to a dollar.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
A dollar. You made a dollar from a day's business.
That's right, that's not good business. I'm looking at you.
I'm looking. I've got your figures here between the twenty
six and the twenty eighth. So you talk to me
about one day. For three days, we're talking eight hundred
and twenty bucks worth of sales. They had two hundred
and twenty five bucks and fees. Then for some reason,
four hundred and seven pay to advertise through Uber eats

(06:51):
off four Uber eats to advertise you. GST is thirty
three bucks, charge is sixty eight bucks on whatever, and
in the end, out of selling eight hundred and twenty
dollars worth the Great Chicken, you got just eighty four
dollars and eleven cents. Now, my question for you is
this doesn't sound economically sensible. Why did you agree to
sign up to Uber eats.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well, unfortunately, as a small business, we can't just switch
off Uber and call it a day because it helps
us with exposure.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Right, so you get more business, but you're not making
any money. So what you're trying to do now is
get people to go off the Uber eats and just
come straight to your store. But that's not why they
did it in the first place. Do you increase the
cost of Uber eats takeaways to the customers to then
counteract the charges that Uber eats are hitting you with.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
No, so there's a flight markup, but that's from Uber.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, because we've had some talkback during the course of
the week, over the course of the day about this,
and some restauranteurs are saying, well, obviously, what we do
is we put the prices up to cover the charges
that Uber Eats sits us with. So you know, some
people paying thirty bucks for a bacon butty, but they
don't mind because they're drunk and they need the food.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Right right now. No, as far as we are aware,
the reason for changing and prices is just to compete
with the other businesses in our industry.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
So you just wanting people to come in and, like
like the old days, on a Friday, phone in the order,
get dad to go down to what's your what's your
company called? Coming?

Speaker 7 (08:31):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I forgot well fried Chicken headquarters in Henderson. Pick up
some awesome chicken and come on home and forget about
the Uber Eats. That's all you want?

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we would much prefer that.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, okay, all right. I thank you for your time, Juri,
and I wish you a very successful Friday and Saturday night.
It's obviously a big night for you. But you know,
what do you think? Ninety two ninety two the charges
seem extraordinary. Uber Eats his based overseas the old takeaways.
You know, I've never used each for this very reason.
So we'll talk a bit more about this later. It

(09:04):
is sixteen minutes after for Darcy Waldegrave talking to us
in a few moments time. The Olympics continue and sailing
is a big topic today.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither Duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business,
US talks at be.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
New Talks a B. It is nineteen after five. It's
a Friday. That means Darcy Waldgrave has dressed up formal Friday,
formal Friday. Looking great. You're all in black. I'm talking
black shirt, black tie, black jackets. It's a bit funereal.
Oh black birds a little bit of color on the sock.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
Well they are chameleons on my blacks, of course, sir.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, and you have gray here. So is this a
funeral one?

Speaker 8 (09:48):
None, I'm Johnny Cash today, I am Johnny Cash and
Trent Reasoner all rolled into one.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
I'm hurt.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Have you got a burning ring of fire?

Speaker 9 (09:57):
Oh? Wouldn't you like to know?

Speaker 8 (09:59):
It's all about celebrating winter?

Speaker 10 (10:01):
All right?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Very good, very good, Hey, very nice night watching the
I'm enjoying the Olympics. We're all staying up too late.
But last night, of course, it was like what are
we going to watch? What are we going to watch.
What are we going to We watched the walking for
a bit. That's a crazy old sport, watching a whole
lot of ducks waddle. But then we ended out going
to see the rowing and the rowing was magnificent and
it was New Zealand's day and of course the pair

(10:23):
the women did so well. We're talking Lucy Spores and
Brooke Francis and that both mums. In fact, there was
another mum in the field as well, and everyone was going,
three moms proving that they could rock. And then the
falls was amazing and that's the big thing, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (10:37):
I celebrate that, and I think that we all should
when you consider how fast they got back into the
boat again after becoming mums. It conser only a couple
of years old, and they were there. They've been there
the whole time. And I think that anyone who's been
through parenthood would know how incredibly stressful and tiring it
is being a mum, being a dad anywhere involved in

(10:59):
bringing up a small child, especially when their brand new.
That's to get back in a boat and then not
only do that, and they have one right up until
this regatta, and then when a gold medal that is
nothing short of phenomenal, absolutely blew us well. Of course,
both of those characters won a silver medal last time
around as well, so they know what it takes to

(11:21):
do it. Double skulls silver medal last time from Brook
and part of the eight as well, so well not.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
Know what it takes.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Did you notice the character difference between the two of
them they've got. You've got one the blonde, who's actually
very sensible, very straight, you know, and keep quite calm,
and then the other who was just like fizzing fizzing, fizzing, fizzing,
and was so excitable and was also the one that cried.
She totally cried during the anthem. And when I see
people crying during the anthem, I start crying during the
anthem and I thought, oh, I thought she. I thought

(11:53):
she was delightful. Yeah, I know, hard on sleeve, so
much to like.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
And then of course the other crews doing well. So
we've got that the set of the gold, the silver
and the bronze, and again on our bums facing the
wrong way on the water.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Come stop us, speaking of which we're sailing again tonight,
yere you.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
Go, got the single skull still to come as well
the true forget that so em a twig defending her title.
That's because you lots of sailing. I don't know if
we've got too much of a chance. The only place
to really look as the forty nine ers for the
guys forty nine FX Metal race, but are so far
out with delay and meets that is not going to work.

(12:34):
Saundas in the in the dinghy for the men, I
don't think he's in with a chance. But they've still
got a couple of races to go.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Their very big field.

Speaker 9 (12:42):
Are you watching any of that last night? Enormous fields
and the.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Board foiling right?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
How quick?

Speaker 9 (12:51):
Yeah? How good is that?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
They've already done thirteen races, so when we're talking at
regatta in the Olympics, it goes on forever, which is
why Joe lay and yeah, that's why they're already out
of medical contention because there were so many races and
they're so far behind.

Speaker 8 (13:06):
Well, they started poorly out of the first couple of rounds,
so it didn't work well for them, but there we've
got again overnight. I don't know what to look at.

Speaker 9 (13:15):
Did you watch any of this morning?

Speaker 8 (13:17):
Rico Beerman in the BMX so this was a last chance,
a last ditch effort to win, to get through the
semifinals at the inside line bang see later.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Well, very very impressive, So that was good.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
See Dylan Schmidt will be bouncing up and down early
tomorrow morning. Rico Beerman of course, as I mentioned, to
be back and then we'll start the athletic can.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Just stop yourtil Walsh. I'll just stop you there and
say Dylan Schmid as a trampolinist, because he's going to
be bouncing up and down and there's a lot of
people going to be bouncing up and down. Fair enough,
not all of them are trampolinists. No, and you are
on from seven tonight.

Speaker 9 (13:50):
He could be a bungee jumper.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Andrew Dickens cutting through the noise to get the fact
it's Andrew Dickens. Fly hither do for see Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected and new talk
as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm going to see if I can't next our list
three modern inventions that I actually hate, including uber eats,
and I'll tell you why I don't like them. But
here we go. Let's look at your reaction to the
Ubied's story. Andrew get with the program. We all want
to sit at home on our devices, order cheap TMU
online Uber eats and pretend we do a lot of
work from home and pretend we do online learning university.
But what the reality is is we don't think of

(14:28):
the people working in retail or the impact on New
Zealand in the long run. And I agree. I think
a lot of people go for uber eats because it's like,
look at me, look at me. Another person says, got
a bakery out in the hut had Uber eats and
door dash absolute raw thirty percent charge. Well, don't order
it if you don't like it. Another one said, the

(14:49):
only tax Uber eats pay is GST. They do not
pay any tax on profits. This is right. It's overseas
own and it's an app which is gloat and so
the money is just disappearing off. And so the question
you have to ask yourself is do you like your
local fish and chip shop? Would you like to go
and say hello mate and for him to say hello, Brian,

(15:10):
here's your fashion chips like you always get on a Friday.
I've thrown in some extra onion rings for you, oh
Anna bluff Oyster, because they've just come in, or do
you want to pick up your phone and dialue Breads
and pay thirty, forty or fifty percent more your call
and also the retailer's call as well. Now still to

(15:30):
come down Manchester out of the United States of America.
We've got the world wires for you, Barry Soper. We'll
be looking at what's been happening in politics and reminding
you Judith Collins. Just after the five o'clock news, we're
going to talk about how they've decided after the inquiring
into NAMUSK and the recommendations into the mass shooting, eight
of them they are going to drop, and one of

(15:51):
them is hate speech legislation, so we'll talk to her
about that in half an hour's time.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Here on your Talk to z B Hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Andrew Dickens fon head the dup to see Alan drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk as
it be.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Good afternoon to here.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's a Friday afternoon. A little bit of Billie Eilish
for you. Birds of a Feather nightm Andrew Dickens, Just
a hand the Warehouse Group, New Zealand's biggest list of
retailer is not going to go ahead with that proposed
takeover from an Australian private equity group which had the
backing from Sir Stephen Tindall. This is a five hundred
and ninety million dollar takeover bid. And you remember the
speculation it was that Stephen Tindall believed that he could

(16:41):
turn the warehouse into more of a supermarket operation had
to go to the shareholders. The shareholders went nap not
so that's not going ahead. This will be a developing story.
By the way, President Joe Biden has announced that his
administration has secured the release of three Americans and one
US resident as part of a prisoner swap with Russia,

(17:04):
and according to the White House, Biden has now secured
the release of more than seventy Americans in various hostage
releases across the globe in his term as president. Now look,
it's not accounting contest, however, Donald Trump has revealed that
he got the release of fifty eight hostages during his presidency,
so that seventy plays fifty eight, but Trump says his

(17:24):
hostages were better. Trump has been critical of Biden's handling
of the swaps. He reckons he's been trading potentially dangerous
Russian nationals in exchange for US citizens being held hostage,
and that the deals that Biden's doing on one sided.
And Donald Trump suggests that he could secure much better
releases without these sorts of concessions. Of course he does.

(17:46):
The election campaign is strange that they're releasing these hostages
just during an election campaign. I hope they didn't sort
of get at lay it for a year just to
get the timing with the election campaign. But there we
go more with Darren Mitchardson in just a few moments time.
It's twenty three to five.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
The World wires on News Talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
There's more in that story. The largest prisoner swap since
the Cold War. A US marine journalist from the Wall
Street Journal and Radio Free Europe and several others have
been freed from a prison in Russia. And after the
prisoners were released, some of their families and US President
Joe Biden called them from the Joval Office.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Hey, everybody, can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (18:22):
You away him as the president.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
I'll tell you what, I'm not as good as your
families are.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
Film.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
They're all standing around the Oval Office desk here and
we just wanted to say, how overwhelmed we are. You've
been wrong if we detained for a long time. All
right to Australia we go. In the Australian Federal Police
and Border Force have made a major meth bust at
the country's border. They found eight hundred and ninety six
kilograms of the drug hidden inside two industrial laser cutting machines,

(18:52):
and the AAFP is alleging that the shipment was piggybacked
using the details of a Sydney based furniture importer.

Speaker 12 (19:00):
Pigg'rebacking is a strategy that is sometimes used by organized
crime where they will identify a business that perhaps has
the import history and they will then use those details
to bring a consignment to Australia that contains a list
of drugs, and then at a certain stage they will

(19:20):
you know, divert that consignment to another.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Location, good hope, and finally it's obviously an archaeologist. By
the way, today is Dinosaur Day in the United States
of America, where kids are urged to go out and
look for dinosaurs because quite often they find dinosaurs by accidents,
and then the real archaeologists get in. So today everyone's
being told get out there and get digging. So get
out there and get digging. And I can tell you

(19:44):
that researchers in China have got out there and got digging,
and they've discovered a new ancient species. But it's not
a dinosaur. It's an ancient sluglike thing.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It was just a few centimeters long. It was covered
in spikes that lived about one hundred and fourteen million
years ago. And the new species has now been named
after a prominent Chinese padeontologist. But hello, how would you
like to have a small slug named after you? But
I guess it will paw to him.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
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Speaker 3 (20:19):
Dan Mitchison from the United States of America. Just in
time for the election. You get a hostage.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Deal, we do.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
And they just touched down and landed just a short
time ago at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland. The President
was there, Vice President Kamala Harris was there. Mister Biden
said he was absolutely convinced he could get the job done.
And he said that you know, the hardest part of this,
or the toughest call, was likely not for the US,
but for the Allies because he asked them to do

(20:49):
some things that were against their immediate interest, particularly Germany
and a couple of the other countries that were involved
in this. And he said it basically boiled down to
trust and relationships and that's how they got this done.

Speaker 9 (21:00):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But I say that Trump is arguing that Biden gives
away too much when he does these deals.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, as soon as this happened, he said, you know,
I could have gotten this done. And earlier in the
at the White House, you know, Joe Biden just said, okay,
well he was president. Why didn't he?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Which is you know, touche a good.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Point right there. I mean, Republicans in Congress, you know,
issued a statement earlier saying, hey, this is encouraging news.
But then they went on to side the costs the
hostages and the diplomacy, just like you were mentioning before
the world wires there. So again it gets back to
the whole political bickering and not the the focus is
where it should be on these hostages that are now free,
you know, some of them that have been held for

(21:39):
several years.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
And how did Joe look because you know, the bid
and of the Hall of nations be lifted from from
his his shoulders. He's gotta gotta spring in his stip
he does.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I think in this he seemed he seemed a little
more energized earlier today when he was making that call
that we just heard from the Oval Office. And again
he's he's in Maryland right now and the prisoner's just
touched down about forty five minutes ago, and he looked,
I think, very touched, and Kamala Harris, I think, you know,
took a step back in this and said, hey, this
is all Joe Biden. This is something that's been working

(22:11):
on for four or five years right now, and it
was really him, along with the allies that got this
this job done. So I think this is a feather
in the President's had.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Now keeping with politics and Donald Trump, now, the problem
with that she's promoting the fact that you're a very
successful businessman is that people are always looking at just
how rich you and then they're making stories about whether
you've got richel or poor. And apparently Donald Trump has
got poorer.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well he has not just since his trial, but also
since what happened last you know, a week and a
half ago, with Biden stepping down and Kamala Harris stepping
up right now, the value of his Truth Social has plummeted.
I mean it's down about twenty three percent. We're seeing
the value of his personal stake that was I think

(22:55):
around four billion dollars in the middle of last month
is now about three point one only Andrew. Part of
this is because truth Social just isn't gaining any traction
over here. I mean, I don't know anyone who's on
this side personally. A lot of people talk about it,
and they're unique visitors tumbled by, you know, more than
the third year over year in the Lessen So that's
the third month that we've seen this platform decline. And

(23:15):
you know, Elon Musk has got to be sitting over
there going. You know, I was, I was worried about this,
but maybe not so much now when this launch.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
But that's diminished as well. And yeah, I do miss
Donald Trump in the Twitter. It was a match made
in heaven. Britney Spears. She wrote quite an interesting book,
quite a regulatory book as well, The Woman in Me,
and apparently it's going to the big screen. It is.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's being developed as a bio for her life and
the gentleman who directed Crazy, Crazy Rich Asians, is going
to be directing this. He also is coming out with
a movie that's that's a lot of people are looking
forward to over here called Wicked, which is sort of
based on the Wizard of Oz. And you know, Spears
has been very open I think about her childhood and
her relationship with her family or lack so I think

(24:00):
there's going to be some curiosity when this comes out.
Her book was the best seller. Her audio book was
a hit on Spotify. But the question is, Andrew, if
you're a fan of Spears and you've gone out and
you've bought the book, and you've listened to it on
tape and we've seen most of her life play it
out in front of the TV cameras of the paparazzi,
are you willing to pay ten or fifteen dollars to
see this on the big screen. And I guess a
lot is going to depend on who ends up playing her.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
It's a big role. And I thank you so much,
enjoying your weekend. Dan mitchedon out of the United States
of America. Judith Collins is joining us after the five
o'clock News eight of the Royal Commission recommendations from the
inquiry into the christ Church mosk attack are going to
be dropped. And what are those eight? Was the first
question I asked when I came in. And one of
them is to repeal Section one three one of the
Human Rights Act and insert of provision in the Crimes

(24:44):
Act for an offensive inciting disharmony through hate speech. It's
the dreaded hate speech legislation. They're going to drop it.
Why are they dropping it is because under the coalition
agreement between the National Party and New Zealand first they
have to drop it, so they're dropping it. And I've
got a text from Ben who said the proposed hate
speech law infringed too much on free speech, it was

(25:06):
too one sided on the government of the day's views
and a narrative that was wrong. This may be so, Ben,
but this is a new government and could they take
another crack at the hate speech Do we need hate
speech legislation? Is it possible to do it without affecting
free speech? You can text ninety two ninety two. Judith
Collins is about twenty minutes away here on News Talk

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Speaker 3 (25:33):
It is now thirteen minutes to five, and Barry sober
joys as Hibz I have to known Andrew. So we've
got Judith Collins saying we're not working on a hate
speech legislation anymore as they drop the recommendations from the
Royal Commission of Inquiry into the mossc Attech. Okay, so
today the hate speech legislation gone. They're not working on
it anymore. It's part of their coalition agreement. However, you're
going to talk about hate speech, Well, the thing.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
Is that basically speech that incites violent is already illegal.
So you know, I mean the Free Speech Union. I've
been sounding off about it today because apparently cops are
now being taught to just keep their eye on what's
going on out there, and they cite examples that have

(26:17):
been given to them that kiwi's should be free to
express themselves and police are being trained to protect kiwi's
right to express their opinions, not trained to speculate whether
they're hateful or not. And they cite a couple of
examples that the officers are being told hate speech can

(26:39):
include claims that there are only two genders, and that's
a debatable thing. That and or that billboard, that very
famous billboard that came out I think was under Don Brash.
Actually key We, not e We, and I thought it
was quite a clever billboard. Actually, but that's not hate speech.
I mean, that's you know, that's for your comment, I suppose.

(27:02):
But the Hate Speech Union were written to by a
senior police officer. He said he was really concerned about
it because he said, sah, essentially a hate hub has
been set up in the police and they're being taught
now in session. And he said he didn't sign up
to be and they've quoted him directly. He didn't sign

(27:25):
up to be part of the thought police, he said.
In fact, he became a police officer to protect people's
inherent rights, and that's to speak the way they want
to as we do. Dare I say it on news
talk Z.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I wouldn't swear to the police officer, though, was particularly
when they're trying to detain you, because that's not free speech.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
No, no, it's no. But but ACT has climbed into
this as well. It says that all of it highlights
the fundamental problem with hate speech. Laws, and that is
the completely subjective and I think that's absolutely.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It depends on the tenor, it depends on the tone,
it depends on the the intention, and it's so hard
to do. By the way, I was talking about why
can't Nationals keep working on hate speech edustation? Can you
write hate speech and edgustation while I'm retaining free speech?
And I got a text through which said, you're a dick.
You can't have free speech and a hate speech law.
So I guess that is what we would call free

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speech with a little touch of height.

Speaker 9 (28:19):
That is the problem. And I've just had a statement
from the police in the last few minutes. They acknowledge
that they are instructing their police officers or taking them
to what they call a hate crime learning hard and
they say it's to support frontline staff to confidently, recognize,

(28:40):
record and respond to and resolve hate motivated crimes. But
I just wonder, you know, the problem that like the
Free Speech Union would see are they filing this off
and say, look, I don't like I don't like what
that bloke was saying the other day and attached the
name to it and.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Said, though you've got somebody who is full of hate
and he screaming at somebody who's about he's going to
actually go for it. You might want to say that
sounds like hate speech, and I might actually put his
arms behind his back and stop him from heading the
other guy. So you need to know that. You know,
it's not like hate speech does not exist. But there
we go. No, absolutely, now here's a bit of free speech,

(29:17):
and poohy. They just turned around and walked out of
a meeting with Christopher lux of the Prime Minister.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
Yes they did, and the meeting was essentially in Auckland
and now pooy. They basically say that this government is
running roughshod over Maldy, and it's a claim that's been
made time and time again because they've cited things like
the Maldi Ward Legislation, which passed its final reading this week,

(29:42):
changes to the Iranga Tamariki Act and moves to soften
the seaboard bed and force short judgment, and that Treaty
Principles Bill being promoted by Act. The legislation hasn't seen
the light of day yet, so we have to see
what that's going to say. But it's interesting they turn
their backs in a meeting where they could have some

(30:05):
influence exactly. And that's the problem, isn't it When we
talk about speech, isn't it better to be at the
table and arguing with the government than to boycott it.
So you don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So you've got to speak with thee we have shot
themselves and the feet. If you have an enemy, you've
got to speak with them and actually proved to them
your argument is right. Because if you turn around and
walk around, I mean, that's a that's a They had
many years.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Of the government at this meeting. There was the Justice Minister,
Paul Goldsmith, they had Tama Poutucker, the Minister of Morrow Development,
and several other ministers were there, including the Police Minister
Mark Mitchell. So to me, what they're doing is losing
their opportunity for free speech.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
And that's a good place to end it. If you
don't mind, can you come back after six o'clock I
will do the whole week. Well, very good stuff. It
is seven to five. It's news storks.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
There be tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking
breakfast hard.

Speaker 13 (31:03):
To believe the transpower Pilian story, isn't it two workers
no training under the bolts the tower fall, Zieber Power
goes out. They didn't get proper supervision either. So now
we presumably talk about compensation or do we. Northern's MP
Grant mccallums, will.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Us give you time, you hear it?

Speaker 11 (31:15):
You just wonder how this possibly happened.

Speaker 13 (31:16):
Exactly, But the report says the compensation part of the
question was not in their purview.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Who owns and runs with this?

Speaker 11 (31:23):
Now, people like myself and sit down, Transpound say, actually
you owe the people of Norton's on anger out there.
You've heard it from the business community and actually the
wider community, which has been my pitch, yet a decent
check from the Transpower which we can use the benefit
all of Northland because everybody was affected.

Speaker 13 (31:38):
Back Monday, from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the last news talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
All right, we're going to talk to Judith Collins in
a few moments time. They're abandoning the attempt at the
hate speech legislation, and I thought maybe they could have
a little crack at it. I don't have to write it,
I'll ask you why and what. And Ian comes out
and says, no one can even define what hates speeches. Actually, so,
how could there ever be any sensible laws against it?
At that said, I have load of texts that are

(32:06):
also saying, well if they one example of hate speech
looked no further than the utterings of the Malori Party
And well, okay, well do you want some hate speech
and legislation on that. Anyway, we'll ask Truith Collins about
that and find out what if things are, because this
is what you do. You asked the people why they're
doing it. Meanwhile, the next time, we also have a

(32:26):
traumous surgeon who's coming out against the government's blankets speed limits.
And I say the government's blankets speed limits because it's
the government that is setting the blanket speed limits. Under Labor,
regional authorities had the right to set the limit on
any road they operated at any speed they thought was appropriate.
When it came to state highways, the government set them
and there was a schedule of three hundred stretches of

(32:48):
road where the Transport Agency thought that slower speeds were preferable,
like outside rural schools and known danger spots. But it
was all over the shot. This new government has come
in and said no, no blanket speed limits are fifty
and one hundred and occasion one hundred and twenty. I
don't quite understand why they did that. Personally, I don't
understand why they went on the whole time about the
blanket speed limits. I guess it gave the impression that

(33:11):
labor was lowering all speed limits everywhere, which was not
true anyway. Welcome to politics in twenty twenty four and
we'll find out why this trauma surgeon doesn't like higher speeds.
And I think we already know the answer. It's beIN
on the ads that we've seen on the Telly every
day news and sporters. Next, this is News Talks at.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
By, the only drive show you can trust to ask
the questions, get the answers, find the facts.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And give the analysis. Andrew dickens on hither due to
see allan drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected
News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Welcome to the program of the second of August. It's
seven after five eighth of the Royal Commission recommendations from
the inquiry into the Christ of Jamask attacks are being dropped.
The government is adopting thirty six of the forty four recommendations,
but it will not be amending hate speech laws or
establishing new security and intelligence agencies. It's been announced today

(34:14):
that after more than five years, the Coordinated Response is
now ending, and Judith Collins is the League Coordination Minister
and joins me now, good evening, Judith, Hi Andrew. It's
the end of a very long and sad process, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
It certainly is, and sectly for the families and everyone
who suffered through it, but also for the first responders.
It's been a really hard process over a long time.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
And are we a better country for it?

Speaker 10 (34:44):
I think we are. Actually, I think we're more alive
to the possibilities of terrorism. I think we're also significantly
a country that looks at other keywis and say, well,
we need to treat everyone with decency.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
There are eight recommendations so that we're not doing. No
amendments to legislation on hate speech will be made and
that is under the coalition agreement between National Party and
New Zealand First. So is hate speech off the table
because it's just too hard.

Speaker 10 (35:18):
No, it's not just because it's just too hard.

Speaker 14 (35:20):
What it is.

Speaker 10 (35:22):
An unnecessary breach of people's rights to free speech. We
know that we can see it in other countries, and
I don't need to go through all the examples where
it can be used to shut down genuine debate. But
also I think what we need to always remember is
that we already have certain restrictions such as incitement to
violence and restrictions like that. So obviously we believe it's

(35:49):
very important to have a free speech wherever possible, and
the only real restrictions should be around inciting violence or
in breach the Human Rights Act.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Okay, good, As some people say, the term hate speech
is debatable, you know, and when we hear people say
we need to kill all these people, well, you know
that's hate speech. But we needed to find that and
use free speech to then crack down it, don't we.

Speaker 10 (36:15):
Well, I think if somebody says that there is you know,
you need to go around killing people, that's in site devance.
That's already an under the New Zealand law. But if
you say I don't like these people because they're different,
well that might simply show that the person making that
statement is a fall. It doesn't necessarily mean that they
should be arrested and go through the courts.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Okay, well, Chris Hipkins says, calling it quits before implementing
all the recommendations while at the same time hinting at
liberalization of the law around semi automatics is out of touch.
What would you say to him?

Speaker 10 (36:49):
Look, I'm pretty disappointed. And Chris Hipkins, he was the
Prime Minister for about nine months last year. He could
have brought these recommendations through instead. The ones that we
have dealt with are the ones that the previous government
of which he was the Prime Minister and before that
senior minister also did not make decisions on. But we've

(37:11):
made decisions to say, actually, after five years, five and
a quarter years, the people involved, the families involved, they
have a right to know what the answer is. And
these are recommendations. The Royal Commission has done an excellent job,
but they are not the government. It's the government's job
to make these decisions. Chris hitkinsident. I'd say, don't politicize things, Chris,

(37:32):
don't do that. We didn't and I expect you not
to do it either.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Judith Collins, I thank you if for your time today.
Judith is the League Coordination Minister on the recommendations made
by the Royal Commission of Inquiry after the christ Church
Musk attacks at the end of sad five years. It's
eleven after five, az be and do something a bit
more cheery, more chances of medals tonight in the Olympics,
and this time it's in the sailing disciplines. Isaac McCarty

(37:58):
and Willim mackenzie a competing in the forty nine FX
the skiffs. They're in the medal race. We got a foiler,
Josh m It looks poised for possible medal. Barbara Kendall
is a former Olympian and gold gold medalist, a medal
winner multiply and is with us now. Hello Barbara, morning,
oh afternoon.

Speaker 15 (38:18):
Not quite sure what it is there at the moment.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
This, ladies and gentlemen, is because Barbara Kendall is in
Tahiti at the surfing competition of the Olympics. Now, why
are you there? You're a windsurfer. You don't need waves.

Speaker 15 (38:31):
That's correct. I actually joined the International Surfing Association as
a vice president, was elected in twenty fourteen. So I've
been here now for ten years helping the Surfing Association
with its governance and athletes commissions, and in behind the
background the whole time, you know, for ten years and
it's been so rewarding to be here in Tahiti to
watch it. So yeah, I've been I've been a lucky one.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
How good is this wave? It's just the most perfect wave. Now, look,
we're here actually to talk about sailing because we've got
a whole lot of races tonight. Now, first we're going
to talk about Joe La and Molly Meach who can't
win a medal? Can they?

Speaker 6 (39:08):
No?

Speaker 15 (39:08):
Point wise, it's quite it's impossible because the medal race
is worth double points, so and the girls that are
in front of them, even if they get maximum points
from their race races, Joe and Molly can't reach that
the metal position, which is a shame. But you know,
they have given it absolutely everything that they've got. And
even if they could win the medal race, which is

(39:30):
absolutely a possibility, that would be amazing way for them
to bow out of the competition. You know, they've had
ups and downs all through the competition. I think it
sounds like it's been quite shifty and gusty and changeable
conditions out there and hard, long days. But I know
that both of them are really strong Wahini, and they've
both got really good attitudes and I know that they'll

(39:52):
be really looking forward to this last race.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
For sure, you've been a flag bearer, so as Joe
la does being a flag bearer distract?

Speaker 15 (40:01):
I know it did me, to be honest, you know
when I think back, but I was twenty eight when
I carried was the flag bearer for New Zealand and Atlanta,
and it was a bit of a distraction because you
become the team leader and the icon and a role model,
and it just puts that little bit of pressure and
expectation on That was my opinion. I think Joe's probably

(40:22):
handled it really really well. Yeah, but it did for
me a little bit of a distraction, but it also
was an incredible honor to be a flag bearer, so
they weighed each other out really.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Now to the forty nine Xes and this skiff, we've
got Isaac McCarty and Will mackenzie. Any chance there.

Speaker 15 (40:41):
Definitely those boys have been sailing incredibly well. They've done
a lot of work mentally, physically and technically. They've put
in some serious hours over the last four years. And
you know, the metal race sometimes has that element of luck,
and so if they've definitely got that lucky star there,
I know that they've got enough skill and speed to
be able to crack into the one of those metals,

(41:01):
and that would be amazing for sailing. New Zealand sailing
really needs some medals to carry us through into the
next Olympics.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
And finally, I want to move on to the foiling. Now,
the foiling replaces your event, which was the sail boarding
or the windsurfing as we knew it on a board.
Now they're actually they've got a parachute and wires and
they're on a foil. It's bizarre.

Speaker 15 (41:20):
Quite it's still exactly like windsurfing, so it's exactly windsurfing.
They just have the foils underneath. It's the it's the
kite foiling that has the parachute.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
This is good to know. This is why you're on
the program, by the words, So this took there's four classes.

Speaker 15 (41:36):
There's four so there's two classes. One is kite foiling,
which is the parachute on the wires and they're on
tiny little boards with foils. And then there's windsurfing, which
is exactly what I did, but they're on foils and
going twice as fast as what we used to go.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Would you have been able to cope with the foils.

Speaker 15 (41:54):
Oh, I would have loved I would have loved I
would I would love to have done it. I'd love
to look live my whole Olympic career again. It's such
a blast. I've actually I do foil myself on a
on a smaller board and winging it's called And the
speed and the freedom and the quietness of flying above
the water is incredible. So yes, I love these new

(42:17):
these new, this new equipment.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
This interview is going far too long because it's far
too much fun. And I've got to finish it off
by saying we've got to foiler josh Ahmittt, who will
advance directly into the semi finals. So this is looking good,
this is looking really good.

Speaker 15 (42:29):
But V also has a chance because and the metal
race is very different to the IQ foiling and even
if you're in tenth place, because the scores go to
zero for everybody coming into the final races, and we
have three semi final, two semi finals, and then a final.
And so the girl who got tenth could actually work
her way all the way through to face the top

(42:50):
three and then take a metal still, so it's up
to anybody in the IQ foil. It's a different format
to other sailing.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Fantastic, really looking forward to it and it's been a
delight talking to you, bab. Thank you so much. It
is sixteen after five now you will not believe this.
The Wellington City Council is offering eight and a half
thousand dollars in prize money for anyone who can come
up with a permanent solution for its controversial cycle waves.
Can you believe this? In other words, they're going, we
can't do this, Maybe you can and we might give

(43:19):
you some money if you come up with an idea.
Is this a total admission of defeat. We're going to
talk to a councilor Diane Calvert in just a few
moments time here on news Talk zb Right, we all
want to be the best, but not all of us
can say we are the best unless you have a
gold medal. But one company there came proudly claim this accolade.
Not at the Olympics, says one New Zealand who'll be

(43:42):
named as having the best mobile network in altail? Rud
New Zealand, forget this. The third year running, the award
was handed out in May by independent benchmarking organization umlaut,
which tests and compares more than two hundred mobile networks worldwide,
and of the three major Kiwi telcos, One New Zealand's
mobile network performed the best. They came out on top

(44:02):
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And the results of good news for One New Zealand
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New Zealand's most reliable mobile network, jump online and visit
one dot nz zidy. So Wellington City Council's a bit
under fire right now. They have offered eight and a
half thousand dollars in prize money for anyone who can
come up with a better cycle way. The competition brief
says council was focused on low cost temporary cycle ways

(44:44):
which had few benefits and now they want the help
from the public to come up with an idea for
a longer lasting piece of infrastructure. But questions are being
asked as to why the council just didn't do the
cycle ways properly in the first place, and Wellington City
Councilor Diane Calvert joins me, Now, dioni's just bonkers.

Speaker 10 (45:01):
Hi. Well, I think it is one of the many
bonkers ideas that Wellington City Council has and never really
makes a difference to the city or for its people.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Really, if it feels like it's the council saying we
can't design a cycleway because we're useless, can you do
it for us? And what you get from that is
you're useless?

Speaker 10 (45:21):
Well, I think the thing is that the other cycle
ways were there to and and to be honest, they've
met with a lot of dissatisfaction from locals, but they
were there in a transitional way to say, well, maybe
we haven't got these rights. At least they're easy to move.
Now we go and put more permanent stuff in. I mean,
people are saying you haven't got the cycle ways right now,

(45:42):
so making them even more permanent it's just a further
recipe for disaster.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yes, exactly. Now. Look, I am a cyclist and I
like myself a good cycle way, but I hate a
bad cycle way, and sometimes I give a cycle way
that no cyclist wants to use, which is why we
then ride on the road. You know. So why is
it that we can't do a good cycle away every time?

Speaker 10 (46:02):
Because what happens is the city council doesn't engage properly
with everyone that gets either users or is impacted by it.
And I took to look. My husband's a cyclist, and
I talked to many other cyclists, and even they are
scratching their heads. And in some of the places that
our council seems to want.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
To put cycleways, the cycleways, I really hate the cycle
ways that actually have have you know, curbs on either
side and you're you're trapped in there and if you're
very very out your head over heels and endo the
road and then you run over by a truck. They're
terrible things.

Speaker 10 (46:34):
So that's right, So we need to do that. We're
going to do them. We need to do them well.
And in the summerads we just can't put them in.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Where's the eight and a half thousand dollars coming from?

Speaker 7 (46:43):
Well, we.

Speaker 10 (46:46):
It's coming from a grant for money from the Bloomberg Cycling.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Oh, so this is not right. Players money. Oh dear,
I've got a cough that this is right. This idea
has upset you so much you.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
Are hacking this is okay? Yeah, so looks. I think
the thing is that you know, this is this is
an large overseas organization, you know, and good on them.
But the thing is what's happening is they've opened the
checkbook and we just rush and grab whatever money is there.
Whether it's actually going to do it make a difference.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Or not, well, I can tell you I've got to
take some rees. Diane, just a few moments ago that
says just get rid of them there do I win?

Speaker 10 (47:28):
Exactly. Many people are saying that, especially around Wellington.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Good stuff. Diane Calbott is Wellington City Council. This is
News Talks It b it is five twenty.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Three, digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Andrew Dickens
on hither dup to see Elan.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected the News
Talks it'd be.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
It's Friday, it's my last day. Hit us back on Monday.
So I'm going to go through three modern inventions that
I hate. And I hate them not because I'm a luddeye,
but because of the unintended consequences. The first one is
payWave hate. payWave one hundred percent unnecessary innovation. Unless you
can get onto a bus with it being able to

(48:10):
wave a card about have a machinego ping and then
you can take away some goods. Saves about five button pushes.
It's for the terminally lazy. But this is not free,
this technological marvel. To enable payWave, banks sell the service
provision to a third party to pay for the kitten,
to pay for the wages of the third party. They
then stick a cut on your purchase, so things get
more expensive for you, and also the retailers add that

(48:33):
to the bank charges and therefore before you know it,
because you save four little button punches, that's your tax cut,
all gone, just like that. Use cash or FPOs. The
second one online shopping. I never use it. It's killing
the high street. It's killing retail. You want a shirt,
go to a shop, try one on, be part of

(48:55):
the community, say hello Brian, nice shirt shop, how are you?
And then all the couriers circling the globe like crazy
delivering online line shopping. It is a terrible environmental footprint.
And my final one is Uber eats because it's made
the news, never touched it never will. It's a third
party fleecing business and it fleeces consumers too. This Auckland

(49:18):
e three has revealed how Uber easts is killing their business,
Fried Chicken Headquarters in Henderson. If you're in Auckland today,
drive to Fried Chicken Headquarters and order their chicken. I'm
informed by Jury the owner. It's magnificent chicken. They made
eight hundred and twenty dollars worth of food in three
days in July, and all up they only got eighty

(49:39):
four bucks in the hand because all the rest went
to Uber eats. Now they knew the deal, they signed
up for it, and Uber eats has increased their business,
but they're not making money With the rapacious billing, it
makes it not really worth it. So they're sending out
an sos to customers. If you like our food, come
and see as we are Fried Chicken Headquarters and Henderson,

(49:59):
pop out and pick it up, said dad. He loves it. Honestly.
If we stopped using payWave, stopped online shopping, and went
back to the old ways of buying takeaways, making it
an adventure, the whole country would actually be better off now.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Oh got a jingle now on the way the trauma
surgeon who says, guess what higher speeds mean, bigger injuries,
and that's why he's against the speed policies of this
current government. And then we're into the sports huddle orders
it and beuleie the Olympics. It'll be great.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
The day's newsmakers talk to Andrew first, Andrew Dickens on
hither duplessy allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
News Talk said, be I.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Remember when we were trying driving in your car?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Speeds are fast?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Film drum seriously before it's in your arm around my ser.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Modern inventions I hate a Colin has texted me, Hello, Colin.
Colin often texts me. Colin text has said, for once,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Well said all right, Mark
says Andrew. Over a two hundred dollars spent on payway
fees in May never again to hell with them? Two
hundred bucks for what? Yes, Mark, I know there's your

(51:23):
tax cut gone. Next text here here on Uber eats,
It kills brands, It arrives in questionable quality, takes away
the dining experience and costs more. A lot is lost
for the sake of convenience. And that's from a former
food business owner. And final text, TEMU is the biggest shocker.
How have they not been regulated yet? They must be

(51:44):
single handedly reversing any climate action with the demand they
are creating for cheap drunk which has flown all over
the world. They take up all the Google ad space
no matter what we search for, slowing business for local
industry and retail. I tell you three modern inventions I hate.
I hated to the sports huddles on the way it's
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
To six news talk zibby.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
The Trauma Surgeon's Committee. I had no idea there was
such a thing. But the Trauma New Zealand Trauma Surgeons
Committee believe the government's plan to increase speed limits will
ultimately lead to more deaths, injuries and traffic overall, and
they've made a statement about this. They warn that New
Zealand doesn't have the appropriate infrastructure for high speed travel

(52:28):
and they warn that many parents are fearful of speed
increases around schools. And Chris Wakeman, doctor Chris Wakeman is
the chair of the Trauma Surgeons Committee and joins us.
This is Friday night. Hello Chris, good evening. Why do
you believe the speed increases will lead to more deaths?

Speaker 16 (52:47):
We know that from international studies, but even just since
twenty twenty when these speed limits were reduced in Auckland,
that have the rate of the mortality of injury in
New Auckland region. We know from international studies the pedestrian
zones having those at thirty k's an hour again halves

(53:08):
the rate of death from pedestrian injuries. And that's why
well established in such studies in London, Edinburgh, Paris and Berlin.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Can you give us some numbers on that, because I
have to say many people have said this already on
this issue, and they always say, you know, it prevents deaths,
and then everyone goes, well how many and you don't
get numbers, and I think numbers help.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Well.

Speaker 16 (53:31):
That from Auckland have suggested since twenty twenty they have
halved the rate, so that and that's considerable.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
You see what I mean? You know, if they've halved
the rate, that maybe one person actually got injured instead
of two, or is it twenty ten instead of twenty what?
Or is it twenty what?

Speaker 16 (53:49):
Are we what are we trying to achieve by increasing
the rates the speed lay rates? Do we really believe
that it is going to increase productivity the country? I mean,
I think that's the minister's transports response, is that by
spending the roads up is going to speed the country
up to speed.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
We've got no proof of this.

Speaker 16 (54:10):
No, I know that it's going to increase injuries.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
And that can I say what? I ask you for numbers.
I've asked them for numbers as well, and they don't
have numbers either.

Speaker 17 (54:18):
This is a whole life I don't have the numbers.

Speaker 16 (54:21):
As chair of the committee.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Owned okay, and sometimes Simeon doesn't have the numbers about
the increasing productivity. In fact, it was specifically that and
he didn't have the answer either. So here we have
a debate where everyone's yelling at each other, but nobody
actually really has numbers.

Speaker 16 (54:36):
Yes, we've got percentages in the data from the Auckland
the Healthy Auckland Getting Together research group.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
So, knowing that the law has already been passed, what
are you hoping for for making these statements right now?

Speaker 16 (54:51):
What indication regarding that it's not necessarily the right thing?
But also I feel strongly that we need to address
some of the problems with our roads. I'm in South Islander.
If I drive from christ it's to one actor. For instance,
as soon as I turn off towards Geraldine, there's no
passing lanes. There's immediate strips, roads B grade at the

(55:13):
best roads, the only A grade roads into international what's
called an international a grade road where it's safe to
travel one hundred and ten kilometers an hour, places like
the Waikato Express Place.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Well, look, I can give you an example. I can
give you an example closer to you, and that's Lake
hard Were where there's a school just outside of the lake.
It's actually in the rural areas. It's in a one
hundred k zone and yet parents are coming there to
pick up and drop off kids all the time, and
it feels probably dangerous, and you would talk think that
anybody would want that a decrease in the in the

(55:46):
speed limits in those areas.

Speaker 16 (55:47):
So yeah, And the thing we also forget about is
because originally we wrote to the Minister of Health, Ministry,
Transport and acc and the not on effect from accidents
as a sec the cost of the country, the cost
of the rehab times, trying to get into rehab institutions
is huge, has a very limited head injury rehab institutions.

(56:11):
The only one for children is Auckland for instance, so
South Island head and children have to go to Auckland
for rehab. We're very underfunded for rehab and this is
just going to make things worse.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Well, very good, doctor Chris Wakeman. I thank you so
much and all the best and enjoy your weekend. And
this is news Talk ZEBB. Some people say, well, should
we always make all the limits thirty kilometers and then
we'll never have deaths or injuries? No, I don't believe.

Speaker 16 (56:38):
So.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
I believe that you should have the appropriate speed for
the appropriate road. And some of our roads are not
appropriate to be going fifty on let alone one hundred,
and some of our roads are absolutely appropriate for going
one and one hundred and twenty. I would like to
see variability in our speed limits, but apparently so we
unbelieves in a blanket speed limit seventeen to seven. Let's
get into sport.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
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Speaker 16 (57:10):
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Speaker 6 (57:14):
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Speaker 18 (57:18):
Goals, but Alex she beating out Hayden Wilds by seven
agonizing excruciating seconds.

Speaker 14 (57:27):
Hussey spores Brook Francis down to the line.

Speaker 9 (57:31):
That's gold gold for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Our boys and Nick Buley and Andrew Orderson and their
commentators as well. Hello guys here Malcolm Jordan, Hey boy,
does he say the word gold with a long relish
when we win? And when the and the and the rowing?
Last night? He really did his goal. He's been practicing
his goal. Do you all practice your goals?

Speaker 7 (58:00):
Well? I haven't had the fortune year of calling gold
seven agonizing excruciating seconds away from it, as man who
was there in the build up. But we did talk
about this the other day as to whether you know
you pre plan your moment, But I think, yeah, Malcolm
nailed the rowing last night, didn't and he's got more
opportunities tonight and tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Absolutely, I'm going to ask a questions for you, who
are your Olympic heroes? So far I could have asked
you what's your highlights? But I want people who are
your heroes? Nick Buley.

Speaker 7 (58:30):
Again I'll pivot back to the triathlon. My hero is
Hayden Wild and not only for his heroics across that course,
of which it was extremely difficult, particularly in the swim leg,
but his ultimate sportsmanship moments after being beaten on the
final bend of the run, for him to just immediately

(58:51):
put his arm around his great mate and rival Alex
Ye who won gold, and then immediately in the interviews
for him to acknowledge his countrymen Yllan McCulloch saying he
deserves keys to the city, keys to the country, sorry
for helping him get in the position he was in.
I thought that was superb.

Speaker 14 (59:07):
And look, I'd whole hardly agree with what Nick just said.
Then I was so Princess Hayden White. I always ask
himself when the athlete, you know, did they know the
cameras on them when they do these things? And I
perhaps he.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Would have, but.

Speaker 14 (59:22):
But I thought he was genuine. I thought it was
he was authentic.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
I thought he was articulate.

Speaker 14 (59:27):
Afterwards, it was just that it was he never hesitated
when he was going to talk about Dylan McCulloch and
how much he'd supported him. And also it's obvious just
from the relationship with Alex Lee. Yeah, there that they
bonded down over the years with their rivalry, and I
thought that was so good. I'd also put a an
aw in, so to speak, for Lucy's spores and brook
France's mom there as mums, exactly exactly, and I thought,

(59:52):
but I also just on that note, just I think
there's things to maybe an improvement and more holistic view
of the high performance dragging. And that's the sort of
example from what we've seen with those two and winning gold,
but also the star you know, the editry that took place.

Speaker 10 (01:00:08):
On for it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
We see.

Speaker 9 (01:00:08):
This is what I like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
You know, you've talked about the great sportsmanship of Hayden
whild They talked about the mums. But I like all
these guys, like the legally blind pommel guy who takes
his glasses off, can't see, closes his eyes and does
it by touch and that's great for blind people. I
like the Turkish marksman who just sat there, stuck his
hands in his pocket and lifted up a pistol and
shot and won a silver. And I like the way

(01:00:30):
that people said is he is he secret service from
Turkey because he's awfully he's awfully good with a gun
and those sorts of guys and Hayden and some on biles,
et cetera. You know, they they prove that sport is
the winner on the day.

Speaker 14 (01:00:43):
Boys, they do, and they also take away the focus
on things like the water quality of the river.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Sin talk about that. I'm going to put you on hold,
go and do an ad break and coming back to
talk about tonight's action.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
It's really in Orderson joining us tonight. Guys, tonight, we've
already talked with Barbara Kendall about the sailings, so we're
very excited about that and there's a chance there of
course with the foiling. He said, wow, that's amazing. I'll
tell what I'm most excited about the return of athletics,
and particularly Zoe Hobbs in the one hundred meters and
also Santana in the fifteen hundred meters. The heat start

(01:01:25):
Zoe Andrew, Zoe, I'm amazed by her. This is such
a hard event. She's so good, She's had so many setbacks.
She's there now it's her time to shine.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Absolutely Andrew.

Speaker 14 (01:01:38):
I think that it's one of those ones. You know,
with certain events you can judge them by medals. But
if she was to even make the final of the
one hundred meters, I think would be an outstanding achieve
And I mean she's already gone sub eleven in that thing.
I mean, it's so rare for a new Zealander, isn't
I mean if you think of the last he's at
to get a medal in a in a sprints of
one hundred meters at the Olympic Games, Lord Port Arthur

(01:02:00):
Park back in nineteen twenty four, seens three ago, well,
Tom Watson, Tom Watson as he's done and in Chariots
of five he's isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
What his real name is, that's right, and Gus and
Kisher it was quite good. I went to score with
Gary Henley Smith. But we haven't had great sprinters and
Zoe is great and it is the Blue Riveon event.
It is the big thing. There are two big events,
the one hundred meters which starts tonight for women, and
also the fifteen hundred meters and Nick Buley, Sam Tanner
he's a very good runner.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
He is a very good runner. But again just like
orders said there, if Sam Tanna was to make the hunt,
the final and the fifteen hundred meters again, I think
that would be an outstanding achievement. He certainly showing that
he can be there or thereabouts till we hope to
start his campaign strong tonight. That first heat is at
ten past nine involving Samtana ten to ten after Zoeie

(01:02:49):
Hobbs very much looking to the looking forward to the
athletic program, and our shot putter is to round it
out tomorrow morning. And Tom Walsh and Jack O'Gill. I
get the sense that we might see jacko Gill perhaps
surpass Tom Walsh. I'm just going to throw that out
there now. I think it's been Tom Tom's rivalry for
a long time. But jacko gill seems to be picking

(01:03:09):
at the right time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
I don't care. I just wanted them to beat that
American what's his name, Ryan Krauser.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Yeah, that might be.

Speaker 7 (01:03:16):
That might be a bridge too far. He seems he
seems to be far too good. But but yeah, look
at it should be a fantastic athletics program. It's certainly
one of the highlights of the program, as is the
cycling or the track cycling next week to come with
still a lot of metal hopes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
You have to say, okay, and apparently it's it's the
rugby season, not that you'd know at the moment when
we're talking about track and field. So Andrew was keeping
rob Penny at the Crusaders the right decision.

Speaker 14 (01:03:41):
Well, look, Nicol foury know more about this than me,
but I think it's a fair call, given that he's
on a contract for that you know that thinks to
time whether he'll be there after this year. But I
think that there was a lot of close games. I mean,
you're coming, you're following one of the greats in the
form of Scott Robinson. I think he had a lot.
There's a lot of being asked of them right from
the we go, and a lot of players disappearing as well,

(01:04:02):
So obviously not a thorough process, and I think that
it seems fair enough for me. I know every team
is entitled to the odd off season.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Yeah, well, here's the thing, Nick, he had some newbies
this past year. Hopefully he's fixed them up for the
second year and so there'll be even more attention on them, mate.

Speaker 7 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I agree. I think there's certainly some caveats that
play there. It hasn't been good enough for sure. You know,
a storied franchise of success. The Crusaders have had a
few things out of his control. Will Jordan being unavailable
for the entire season for one, Scott Barrett barely playing. Look,
injuries happened, and I know other coaches dealt with it better.
But you know the Crusaders, they know what they're doing.

(01:04:43):
They'll they'll bounce back. It's the now, the second of
a two year contract for Penny to show his whez
and if it doesn't work out, they've got a succession
plan in mind. The logs of timas Allison sitting there
as an assistant coach.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Very good stuff. Nick and Andrew, thank you so much
for your efforts your one week down. You've been shouting
yourself as horses you can be. You're going to shout
even horser if that's a word, if we start winning
golds under your watch. So thank you so much for
all your efforts and pass all our best wishes off
to the whole team. Very good, very good, and of

(01:05:15):
course you can hear all their commentary all night long
on Gold Sport and also on iHeartRadio. It is six
minutes to six.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
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News Talk as it be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
So News Talks. We were talking to the TRAUMAUS surgeon earlier,
fear to say I gave him a hard time heart
not having hard numbers, Texas said, Andrew, give the surgeon
to break regarding the numbers. The guy works long are
ours saving lives? Forgive him for not having the exact
data when the minister who should have the numbers doesn't
have it. And I, you know, I apologize to him
in a way because I was just pointing out the

(01:06:00):
problem with this debate, which someone else's texted and said
the same thing, Andrew speed limits. Both sides to the
debate have diminished credibility by not being able to evidence
hard data. And this is from a listener in Queens
Sown and I agree with that because we've asked Simeen.
I've asked sime about the hard data about productivity, and
there is some data around about productivity. It says that

(01:06:22):
a journey might be affected by less than thirty seconds.
We're took in nineteen or twenty seconds. What about productivity?
What about he was saying productivity. Give us some numbers, mate,
and then you need to talk to the other side
about how many lives were taken, how many lives can
be So they don't say the numbers. I think it's fair.
This has become a debate of reckons. I reckon, I reckon,

(01:06:43):
if you have a speed limit of fifty k pass
the school will have better productivity. I reckon. Well, I reckon,
if you have a thirty k speed limit nearest school,
you'll have more safer kids. I reckon, I reckon. Nothing
wrong with reckons. Radio is built on reckons. Right over,
we have new just a few moments time Barry Soviet
with the week that was, Next hour We're off to

(01:07:04):
Hong Kong, next hour and more and Gibson too keeping.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Track of where the money is you going?

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
With the Business Hour with Andrew Dickins and my hr
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Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Good evening to you, Welcome to your weekends. Except for
all the rest of us who are working and keeping
the economy productive. Good on us, ay boys? All right?
Seven after six. By the way, Heather is back on Monday.
Now an apartment developer in Auckland has been put into
interim and receivership by the High Court with much drama. Today,

(01:07:39):
the Court put Duval Capital Partners and other du Voo
Group companies into interim receivership after an application by the
Financial Markets Authority and police were seen entering Duval co
founders Kenyan and Charlotte Clark's house and rebby weare it
today in Auckland. So Anne Gibson is the New Zealand
Herald property editors. She's the story. Hello, am, Hello Andrew.

(01:08:02):
So do we know what's happening here? Yes?

Speaker 19 (01:08:05):
Right, So this was quite surprising. So just before eleven
o'clock this morning we got an announcement from the Financial
Markets Authority saying it had been to the High Court
to get an interim receivership order against a number of parties,
actually Kenyon and Charlotte Clark of Duval, Duval Capital Partners
and Duval Group. Now what's happened is these businesses are

(01:08:29):
now under the full control of accountants at PwC. They'll
go in there, go through them, I think would be right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:08:36):
Looking at assets, liabilities, who secured creditors, who are unsecured creditors,
and then probably about mid August will get their first report.
I think they've got ten working days to issue their
statement their interim findings on these businesses.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
So why was the police involved. We don't not know,
and we know exactly what the FMA are looking for.

Speaker 19 (01:09:04):
We know that the FMA has said there are about
one hundred and twenty investors in these businesses. Now, the
FMA has had quite a lot to do with Deval
over the last few years. I've put on it quite extensively.
So back in October twenty one, when Duval raised twenty
million dollars via a mortgage offer to wholesale investors, the

(01:09:26):
FMA moved on them over that, and then in March
twenty twenty three they also announced that they were taking
actually against Aval. So it's mainly to do with the way,
partly to do with the risk of the offer. So
the fma's role here is to try and clean up
the financial markets in New Zealand. We don't want to

(01:09:48):
repeat of what happened in the ages share market crash, right,
we don't want to repeat of what happened with Bridge.
Corbyn strategic and all those companies back in the GFC,
and what occurred there, to be honest, does the people
were misled. They didn't really know what they were investing in,
and so transparency here is a bit of a key.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
And this is the thing in this case. They're not
actually buying a property, they're not putting the under deposit
on a property. They're actually just providing their capital into
an investment run by Duval or whatever entity within Duval,
which is then they're expecting a return. And now they're
having a look into what's happening.

Speaker 19 (01:10:23):
There, precisely because these people's money was being invested at
rates that were much higher than the bank deposit rates.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
You know, they always locked in, let's go for that exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:10:36):
And what does Mary Homes say? Higher risk, higher rewards,
high reward, high risk, and so so it's it's it's
it's a warning, isn't it to people? And that's what
the FMA is on about here. They're pretty much they
they it is their role to enforce the law. And
we don't know yet exactly what occurred here. We know

(01:10:57):
that a number of devail companies changed names recently. We
know there's been previous CFMA action. We know that Charlotte
and Kenyon Clark appeared to be living quite an amazing lifestyle.
Beautiful videos are actually meant to be in a televis
series called The Property Device.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Hello, Okay, Yeah, it's getting more and more juicy.

Speaker 19 (01:11:16):
In front of the fire with the beautiful wallpaper and
smoking sick gas.

Speaker 9 (01:11:20):
How good would that be? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Okay, So we're going to wait and see what develops
from the FMA and we'll follow the story closely. And Gibson,
I thank you for your time today, and you Andrew
and as our property editor. And this is news Talk
ZEBB and just a few mothers time Barry Sober, the
return of Barry Sober. Lovely to have him back. Barry
Sober will review the week that has been in politics,
and it's been quite fractious. It's fair to say. That's next.

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(01:13:33):
So let's review the week that wise. Welcome back, Barry Soper.

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
Good afternoon again, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
And in fact, we're not even going to review the
week that was first. We're going to talk about this weekend.
We're going to cast forward because that's important because we've
got the NATS conference this weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:13:46):
Yeah, it is quite important. It will be more important,
of course for Chris Luxon because this will be his
first conference since becoming the Prime minister, and I would
think he's going into it quite strongly when you consider
the latest Curier Taxpayer's Union poll, and that's all National
up over two percent to thirty seven point six. Still

(01:14:09):
not a really strong showing by National, but it'll be
quite nice for them when you consider that Labor dropped
three and a half percent, so they're down to twenty
five percent. The Greens and Act well they're virtually the same.
New Zealand first though it picked up almost two percent,
so the National Party conference.

Speaker 17 (01:14:29):
It all, I would.

Speaker 9 (01:14:30):
Imagine respond very well to Chris Luxon. They've done when
you consider the first one hundred days a hell of
a lot of legislation, and it's the sort of legislation
that in fact, the National Party supporters voted for when
they went to the polls last year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Yeah, well, they did the first one hundred days, and
then we heard about the second one hundred days, but
then we're not hearing about further one hundred days. But
things do slow down, so we'll be talking about the
next two hundred days, et cetera. And when you consider
that we've been through hard economic times, it's very hard
for any government of any color to actually maintain popularity,
and hard it can maintaine because we're all hurting.

Speaker 9 (01:15:08):
And that's the thing, Andrew, that this government had no
honeymoon period at all, because people were suffering going into
the election and that were shown in the vote. And
they continue to suffer as the economy comes out of
what is the doldrons, and that'll take some considerable time,
as we all know. So Luxein's on thirty four and

(01:15:28):
a half percent. He was up nine just over nine
percent in the last opinion polls. So I would imagine
he'll walk into that conference probably quite confident that the
future will improve, certainly for the coalition government.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
So this past week we had the hospital waiting lists
based on ethnicity scrap These are the lists, of course
that you discovered and you broke that story, but they
said did not exist. But now the list that does
not exist has been scrapped.

Speaker 9 (01:15:55):
Yeah, and I think it's a good thing. I mean,
we had finally aicheverril Le, then health minister arguing in
favor of ethnicity, saying that Maldi and Pacifica they are
left behind in the health statistics, and that's absolutely right.
But you cannot and the surgeons that I spoke to,

(01:16:15):
and in fact I got a copy of the lists,
and they said they didn't invest many years of their
lives to become a surgeon to treat people based on
their ancestry, and that I think most New Zealanders would
say is reprehensible. It's the need that should be to

(01:16:37):
the first and foremost what is considered when people are
being put on these waiting lists.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
So I can have a list that actually reminds practitioners
these people have problems in these sort of areas, so
keep a lookout for them more than other areas. Just
have a look. But when it comes down to the
actual treatment, it comes down to need.

Speaker 9 (01:16:54):
Oh absolutely the end. We see that the Health Ministry
is saying that they'll be looking at the possibility of
adopting a new prioritization tool. That's the sort of thing
that you're talking about. Obviously you have to give some priorities,
but don't base it on ethnicity.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Okay, Now, Julian Jenti finally apologized for something she did
so long ago. I can't even couple of days, you
know how, this is the latest. This is the longest
gap action and apology ever.

Speaker 9 (01:17:23):
Well, yes, it took a long time, didn't it for
the Privileges Committee to have a look at this. They
could have looked at it earlier, but in their infinite wisdom,
they decided that she would go before the Privileges Committee
and make her case. They didn't really inquire into it
very deeply at all, because we all saw it was
the sort of behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
That she screaming at him.

Speaker 9 (01:17:43):
She spat on him, well almost, I mean she was
close enough to spit on Matt Doosey, clearly not liking
what he said and what he stood for. But look,
in my forty years plus in the Parliament and certainly
many years in the debating chamber watching the performances, I've
never seen anything quite like that. And that sort of

(01:18:03):
behavior cannot be condoned under any circumstances. And I for one,
and I'll guarantee there are many politicians in that place
that would say that she got off very lightly simply
having to stand in Parliament and saying sos, you know,
I shouldn't have done it. Well, she should have, I think,
faced a more significant penalty, like, for example, I've got

(01:18:26):
the ability to suspend an MP from Parliament and suspend
their wages for say a week or two weeks. I
think that's the course of action.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
We've seen MPs lose their job because they shout at
staff behind closed doors and not on nationwide TV. And
yet she was untouched until she made an apology, if
that's worth it all. There was a scrap between the
Speaker and David Cymour, and there was about party the
peal badges and stickers on Malori party computers and seemed

(01:18:55):
a bit funny, Well yes it was.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
And the last speaker Trevor Mallard, dare I mention his name,
it was the most popular speaker in the place. But
he said at the time that look lapal badges with
Act for example, and they're very small admissible, they slip
under the radar. But the point that and speakers make

(01:19:19):
their own rulings. So even though Mallard might have made
that ruling, a new speaker can make a totally different
ruling and that's why parliament runs. And Jerry brownly said no,
if we start measuring logos, then you'll have to have
somebody with a tape measure in parliament. And so he said, no,

(01:19:39):
all political logos should be outlawed in parliament. You remember
the time you will Andrew that they used to come
in with boxes, little trades and they would have all
the logos on them. Yeah, that was the time that
they did say no, get rid of this. But look
for me, I couldn't care if.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
They were all rosettes and same. And a lot of
people pointed out through the talk back in all sorts
of things that you know, you've got GREENI and Peace
coming in with hamas scarves on, You've got all sorts
of symbolism in terms of clothing and apparel happening on
political things all the time, so to worry about it,
the peal badge seems sort of one.

Speaker 9 (01:20:15):
Incredible if you look at the standards and Parliament. I
mean you've got people's people wearing hats, you've got no
no ties in the place. Not that worries me rately,
but yeah, it's relaxed significantly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
And finally, the Maldi Party, speaking of which of ten
gallon hats from cowboys, The Maldi Party has introduced a
bill to make the White Tugy Tribunal recommendations binding.

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
Oh really, I mean, can you believe it? It just
shows you how out of touch the Maldi Party and
the person who sponsored this bill, which is a Tea
Titanungua MP Tacoota Ferus. He says that should be binding
the treaty any recommendations they make. I think he fails

(01:20:58):
to appreciate the Treaty. The Wa Tongue Tribunal is simply
a body that makes recommendation.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I call it a think tank.

Speaker 9 (01:21:07):
It's a yes, it is. It's it's like a permanent
commission of inquiry. That's right, and that's all it is.
I can make recommendations to bind the government to them
as in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Its mate, thank you so much for staying eight. And
there's a week that was in politics with Barry Soper.
It is now six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Andrew Dickens
with the Business Hour. Thanks to my HR, the HR
platform for SME on News talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Sex twenty six. Here comes a weekend. We're watching the
Olympics of my house, and we're also going to Deadpool
and Woo Wolverine tomorrow at five. The movie and since
this is the business out, let's talk about the business
of dead Pool and Wolverine. It's just crossed the five
hundred and fifty million US market the global box office,
it's right half a billion. Last check. Ticket sales stand

(01:21:56):
at two hundred and sixty one million in North America,
in two hundred and eighty four million internationally world Why
tally five forty five just five days after a release.
Actually that was two days ago, so it's got bigger.
And it's a record breaking start for an R rated
movie because it's an R movie. Because they swear like
Billy Oh and Dead Paul and Wolverine keeps breaking new

(01:22:16):
ground domestically at lanted the biggest Tuesday haul for an
R rated movie a day prior at post of the
highest Monday for an R rated film, and at the
moment it's the number four film of the year after
Inside Out two, Despicable Me four and June Part two.
But this is dead Poll three.

Speaker 10 (01:22:35):
Gee?

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Is there any original ideas? By the way, Ryan Reynolds
has said there will be no dead Pool four because
he doesn't like being away from his family, which is
the sweetest thing. Blake Lively says he's the most present
man she knows, and he's also almost a billionaire. Doesn't
have to work if he doesn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
To, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
It's all on the What's This Hour with Andrew Dickens
and my HR, the HR platform for sme usalxipp.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
We're after Europe with ka Over shortly after the UK
and also shortly off to Asia Hong Kong with Peter Lewis.
One of the business stories of the week is that
major tourism operators in Queenstown are now buying empty hotels
to How's staff and my feeling about that is no kidding,
what took you so long? Queenstown has always operated in
some sort of weird bubble where people keep on building

(01:23:39):
businesses that need staff, but they don't build the housing
for the staff to live in. And of course all
the houses are lovely because it's paradise. And then we
end up getting shortages, and then we get losses and
we get headlines. And here's the fact. Hotels and tourism
businesses need loads of staff and those staff are not
paid well. But nobody has been developing low cost housing
and those people who can charge the earth for it.

Speaker 14 (01:24:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
The University of Auckland realized this years ago. Students need
cheap housing so they can come and study, so they
developed and supported loads of high rise dorms around the university.
Queen Stown should be doing the same way. Keep expecting
to see similar projects in that industrial land around the airport,
but instead I keep on seeing things like quests and
remarters going up and they need even more staff. In

(01:24:25):
my youth, I worked on an Inglish radio station in Monaco.
I know three years there. I had loads of friends
who worked in hotels, and almost every hotel on the
kot Tazur had a little mini hotel behind them for staff,
and they were raucous at fun places to hang out.
And I can tell you, but the hotel kept the
staff because the staff had a roof over their heads.
And I'm surprised we let so many hotels proliferate in

(01:24:47):
a tourism hot spot without making sure they had plans
to contribute to the low cost housing stock.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Andrew Dicks Peter.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Lewis joins US out of Hong Kong. Hello, Peter, Andrew. Right,
we've got the EU and China talking about trade right now,
and we've got a very interesting mediator.

Speaker 20 (01:25:08):
Yes, Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. She's been in Beijing
for four days. She met with President Hujenking, and as
you know, relations between China and the EU are not
great other moments. The EU is very concerned about the
rather large trade deficits it runs with China, and it's
concerned about particularly electric vehicles that it says are being

(01:25:31):
dumped on the European market at be low cost, partly
because of all the subsidies these companies get from the
Chinese governments.

Speaker 17 (01:25:39):
So tensions are a bit frayed.

Speaker 20 (01:25:41):
There's been investigations by the EU into China, retaliatory investigations
by China, and things like wine and cheese and so on.
But this Maloney says that she can be a mediator
in all of this and she can help mend relationships
between the EU and China. Well, I don't know how

(01:26:02):
much China is going to see. Miss Maloney is as
a neutral interlocerateur in this because she doesn't have a
great track record in terms of being friendly to China.
She pulled Italy out of the Belton Rode initiative. You remember,
Italy was the only G seven country to join the

(01:26:22):
big infrastructure projects that president she set up the Belton
Rode Initiative, which she said that was a big mistake,
it was a waste of time, it brought no benefits
to Italy. When she became Prime Minister, she pulled Italy
out of that. She also has been one of the
biggest supporters putting tarifs on Chinese companies, particularly ev makers.

(01:26:45):
And then if you go back even further back in
two thousand and eight, she was actually a junior minister
in Sylvia Bernasconi's government and at the time of the
Beijing Olympics, she urged the boycott of the Olympics, so
a China's human rights record. So I don't know how
much China is going to see her as being someone
that that's that reliable when it comes to mediation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Please tell me she can speak Mandarin those she can't
of course, Okay, you would have thought that you would
have had an independent mediator, perhaps from the Americas or whatever,
because she's got a dog in the game. But there
we go. Interesting, We'll watch that very very carefully. Now,
TikTok and in China, and of course America doesn't like it.

(01:27:28):
What's their problems?

Speaker 20 (01:27:31):
Well, it says that first of all, it spies on
American teenagers, collects loads of data about them, and then
sends it back to China, which Beijing can.

Speaker 17 (01:27:43):
Then use to target the American audience.

Speaker 20 (01:27:47):
Through social media and in particular young people in China,
influence their their approach and beliefs on China and even influence.

Speaker 17 (01:27:54):
Things like the elections. Now TikTok denies that.

Speaker 20 (01:27:58):
It says it doesn't send anything back to China, and
if it was asked by the Chinese government, it would
refuse to do so. Now that would be rather difficult,
I think for TikTok because the Chinese the government does
expect its companies to sort of be another.

Speaker 17 (01:28:13):
Arm of the state, if you like. So the US
government has put a ban on TikTok.

Speaker 20 (01:28:22):
It's got to either bite beside the divest itself of
TikTok by January or face a countrywide ban. TikTok is
suing the US governments now. In the latest briefing that
the US government has just filed. It says that by
Dance and TikTok have this secret sort of social media platform,

(01:28:42):
internal media platform called Lock, and it uses that to
spy on Americans and get their views about controversial subjects
like abortion, like gay rights and so on, and then
feeds that back to China through this system called Lock.
So that the US government says that this really the

(01:29:03):
gates TikTok's arguments, that it's got this this independence, if
you like service, this data service that's been set up
by Oracle, which stores all of TikTok's data and can
make sure that none of that goes back to China. Well,
the US government says, of course, that's all violated by
this this Lark system and other things that TikTok does.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
I really feel for some poor Chinese person who has
to sit there and see the mountain of TikTok produced
by American teenagers and try to ascertain some sort of
sense to it.

Speaker 20 (01:29:38):
All, you know, and American American teenagers. If you answer,
they say, we don't care, and exactly, I'm.

Speaker 17 (01:29:49):
Not that interesting. Even why does the government want all
this information on me?

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
They say, whatever? And I don't vote anyway. And by
the way, have you seen the leaders from Taylor Swift?
And this is how we dance? I know, I get
this all right? Give me with the smart stuff Apple.
Apple has dropped out of the top five smart phone
sellers in China, I would presume because the Chinese phones

(01:30:13):
just get bitter and bitter from more the technology they've stolen.

Speaker 17 (01:30:18):
Part that's what the US government will say.

Speaker 20 (01:30:21):
In fact, it's noticed the board that now all top
five manufacturers in China are domestic manufacturers. So the number
one is Lwei, which is faced a lot of sanctions
from the US but nevertheless has been able to develop
chips to power it's iPhones. And then also you've got
firms like Vivo and Opper up there shellb Be, which

(01:30:45):
also has been developing electric.

Speaker 17 (01:30:47):
Cars is up there.

Speaker 20 (01:30:48):
The top five apples dropped down for number six, although
Apple says it's still got a very strong business in China.
But if you look at Apple's results which came out yesterday,
in fact, it did report that its sales in Greater
China area, which includes Mainlanchai and Taiwan and Hong Kong,
decline six percent. So it is coming under a lot

(01:31:10):
of pressure from these local rivals that introduce competing products.
Someone did say to we are they going to go
the same way as BlackBerry did? I don't think so,
because Apple has got a whole ecosystem around it. It
doesn't just depend upon the iPhone. It's got particularly its
services like iTunes and its cloud business, so it has

(01:31:33):
got a very big ecosystem that can offset the decline
in sales in China. In fact, we saw that in
Apple's results yesterday they still managed i think a five
percent gain in revenues.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Yeah yeah, well interesting as I've always been confused that
why BlackBerry did not work, and maybe it was just
a product before its time, because the encryption that was
available on BlackBerry's will go down. Just to treat these
days with all their with all the sort of that's
happening right now, Peter. I like to thank you very much,
enjoy your weekend, enjoy the Olympics, and we'll talk again later.
It is sixteen minutes to seven, and on the Chinese phones.

(01:32:08):
Can I just say that Glenn, the technical producer of
the Mike Hosking Breakles Show, reviewed the Oppo Ritz wristwatch
which came out the other day and said, Wow, this
is a really good piece of kit. Those Chinese phones
are very very good. Indeed, it's a quarter to seven
and we're off to Europe in a mo.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour
with Andrew Dickens and my HR, the HR platform for
SME US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
They'd be as the time. It's now thirteen minutes to seven.
I guess the Olympics really gets under way around about
nine ten for us with the athletics and Santana, whose
are the fifteen hundred meters. We've got the heats of
the one hundred meters for women, Zoe Hobbs and that.
But later on after ten we're into the sailing, with
particularly the later on the chance of Josh Armatt and

(01:33:00):
the foiling to do well, and of course the forty
nine effixes as well. So all of that is happening
on gold Sport. It is now twelve minutes to seven,
and I say good evening to Kay Oliver Are UK
and Europe correspondent.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
Hell okay, hello to you, Andrew so or.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
The Algibaji after what happened of course in Stockport and
the riot says people misinformation caused people to actually rebel
against mosques and police and Downing Street and or what's
the latest to have happened.

Speaker 6 (01:33:32):
Well, the latest is that, obviously deeply concerned by all this,
the British Fire Minister Sekir Starmer has held this meeting
of police chiefs in Downing Street and they've come up
with a number of recommendations which basically mean they have
said they're going to clamp down on the people they're
calling a tiny, mindless minority challenge driven by the far

(01:33:56):
right hatred, and they're now going to set up facial
recognition criminal behavior orders basically in a bid for police
forces across the country to work together to stamp out
what they're calling this mindless violence. And obviously the Southport
stabbings have caused a lot of unrest in this country.

(01:34:19):
We know that there are a number of protests planned
in the wake of these of these of these obviously
horrible incidents, and it would appear that people have taken
to the streets. Sakir Starmer has come up with this
plan to clamp down on what he sees as mindless violence.
But obviously people here are talking about two tier policing.

(01:34:42):
They've said that there were one hundred arrests in London
following civil disturbance two nights ago, and seven men have
been charged after violent disorder in Hartlepool. And I think
the feeling is Andrew that this is spreading and they've
got to deal with it quickly. Sirkir Starmer has said
he's going to roll up his sleeves and meet the challenge.

(01:35:03):
It's not a blame game, but they are of the
politics of service, so they want to they want to
stop it fast. It remains to be seen what is
going to happen, but clearly it has been a week
of disturbance here.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Indeed, I think it would be a mistake to actually
call it a minority. There is actually a large number
of people in your country who are very concerned about
the immigration settings. Unfortunately in this case they got misinformed
about the the from where this bloke came from in
the first place and what the situation was, and then
they're inflamed the violence. But you're going to the violence

(01:35:36):
might be self begetting after a while, it won't be
about the original incident in Southport, k It'll be actually
between those people anti immigration and the police forces. So
there's a very tight.

Speaker 6 (01:35:48):
Line to walk, absolutely and they are some MPs here
have said that perhaps a kere starmer is not reading
the rule correctly. He's the room and we wait to
see what's going to happen. But it is, as you
quite say, a fine line.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
But here's some good news. Two the injured girls came home.

Speaker 9 (01:36:12):
They did.

Speaker 6 (01:36:12):
Two of the little girls have come home. We know
that they were. All the injured have been treated at
several hospitals across Salthport, all Day Hospital. Two have come
home and we're just hoping and praying that the others
come home and it's an equally good result. But it
has been a week of sadness for Salesport, for the

(01:36:33):
whole country. The tributes have grown and grown. I think
one sign of the community in Southport is that lots
of teddybears had been left at the tribute and basically
the community was so concerned that these teddy bears were
going to get soaked by a downpor the rain that
we've had here that they actually took them all inside

(01:36:53):
for the night and then brought them back out again.
And this is the most beautiful memory for these young
girls there is the community are pulling together in Southport
and that's a message that everyone wants to get out.
It's all about love and care and looking after the
bereaved families and it's it's getting sidetracked andrew by what

(01:37:13):
else is going on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
An interior tidybar's picnic. I love the I think I
love the idea of it all. Now, for the first
time in sixty years, family doctors are going to go
on strike.

Speaker 6 (01:37:24):
Well, people here are already having to queue up for
doctor's appointments and now it's going to get an awful
lot worse because nearly nine thousand gps in England have
taken part in the British Medical Association's ballot, with ninety
eight point three percent backing mass action, at the center
of which is a row over new contracts and it

(01:37:45):
means that GPS could slash the number of appointments in
England by a third, just seeing twenty five patients a day. Now,
this is all part of this row over contracts. Patients
groups are worn here that this industrial action could lead
to a disaster in cancer care and warn that A

(01:38:06):
and E waiting times are basically going to explode, be
worse than ever, up to twelve hours in some hospitals already.
NHS England has urged patients to come forward for care
as usual, but the BMA leaders are saying that the
action could last for months until ministers agree to a
new GP contract. So yeah, first time in sixty years

(01:38:27):
and it's really not going to be good for anybody
who wants urgent or needs to have a medical issue
discussed at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Well, there's your bettle lines, immigration and the NHS and
that's just the debate that has been and when you've
got a new Prime minister who has to do it.
Ka enjoy your weekend, Good luck for any anyone you're
supporting in the Olympics, and thank you so much for
your time today. This is news. Talk to you'll be
oh oh, I'll take you after the break hold.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
On whether it's micro micro or just play in economics.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Dupleicy Ellen
and my HR, the HR platform for sp Right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
What I was so excited about is Andy Murray is
out of the Olympics doubles and that means that's the
end of tennis. And he did a speech and you
know what he said. He said, I never really liked
tennis anyway, I like Andy. All right, time to go,
haven't got much time play some music.

Speaker 18 (01:39:23):
Ants John Mayer to take us out tonight. Your body
is a wonderland. So John Mayer had a bit of
an accident last week. He injured his left index finger
in a truck door.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
That's bad for a guitarist. Yeah, yeah, there you go in.

Speaker 18 (01:39:37):
I mean, you know what, most of us can probably
get by without it, but his job kind of relies
on it. So and especially he's going to be playing
at the Las Vegas Sphere, like that big fancy thing
with all.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
The graphics and stuff. Will be fine.

Speaker 18 (01:39:48):
Yeah, well, he's going to Well, he's been teaching himself
how to play guitar without the index finger for the
last couple of weeks, and he promises he should be pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Goods A guy called Tim Man who was in Blam
Bam Bam, and he us three fingers in a car accidents,
and he learned how to play and he even changed
from left to right, all right to left. I don't know.
Thank you, thank you you. What's your name? Thank you, Duff,
thank you Kenzie, thank you, Laura. Heather's back on Monday.
Thanks for your company today. My name is Andra Dickens.

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