Full Show Podcast: 20 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Or it's Ryan Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
He'd be good afternoon. It is seven after four, coming up.
Louise Upston's fighting back against labor who's having a crack
about child poverty. Greg furn on a New Zealand's proper
results will speak to the lawyer for this eighteen year
old overstayer. He's staying the cop who literally belted his
kids and Judith Collins on the Chinese naval ships off

(00:33):
Australia's coast. Ryan Bridge, Well that didn't take long. The
bitching continues today between Air New Zealand and Auckland Airport.
They like an old married couple this too, bickering and
nagging each other. And that's up there. They're so old
the past, caring who's listening, They're way beyond that point.
They're doing it in front of everyone, and today it's

(00:54):
through the media. They have of course been doing this
for ages over airport upgrade cost at Auckland Airport, which
Air New Zealand doesn't want to pay for, thank you
very much. But today they've both opened their books. This
is for the last six months. Air New Zealand is
down but still made one hundred million dollars profit. Auckland
Airport they are up two percent, one hundred and forty
eight million dollars profit. And they've both been out there

(01:17):
today like a dog with a bone having a crack.
Which is kind of funny because you've got two major
companies not competing with one another, both essentially monopolies, both
making a profit at each other's throats. Today's fight is
basically about where the Air New Zealand is partly to
blame for our tourism numbers, which you know they haven't
bounced back to pre COVID levels. We all know this.

(01:39):
We have right now one point five million fewer seats
on our domestic network than we did in twenty nineteen,
and you guessed it. Fewer seats means well, fees have
gone up thirty percent and Air New Zealand controls eighty
four percent of the domestic market. So according to the
airport reading between the lines, this is the New Zealand's fault. Basically,

(02:02):
it's a monopoly and it must be pushing up prices, right,
But they do have planes that can't fly right now?
Remember the engine issues, they've been grounded or they're getting fixed.
We've also had inflation. And isn't it a bit rich
for Auckland Airport which is a monopoly, because where else
are you're going to land a seven five seven in
Auckland to be throwing stones at glasshouses about another monopoly

(02:23):
a little bit? I think the answer is yes. But
the difference is that Auckland Airport, because it's a monopoly,
has economic restrictions placed on it, so it basically doesn't
get too big for its boots right and Air New
Zealand's domestic network, remember eighty four percent controlled by foreign
does not and that is what the airport has a

(02:44):
problem with. Still doesn't need I don't think doesn't mean
that it needs pricing regulation. What we really need is
more competition in the market in our domestic airlines. Then
we might get some peace and quiet from the aviation
industry bickering bitches. Nine minutes after four year on news Talk,

(03:04):
said b Over in Australia, so we all know about
the campaign that our government has launched. Here the slogan
everyone must go. It's been likened to a clearance sale,
and now an Australian lawyer is warning ossies considering a
trip coming to New Zealand to quote, go at your
own risk. He says. Since acc was introduced in the seventies,
we've become a legal liability free zone with no safety

(03:28):
culture or ability to get compensation for injury or death.
He's the director of Carter Captner Law. Peter Carter is
his name, and he's with me this afternoon. Hi, Peter,
go after I and Ryan. Well, you've really set the
cat amongst the pigeons with this one, haven't you.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
I don't mean to offend New Zealanders at all. I
know that it's it's not good to comment on other countries' protocols,
but it's important that the Australians know exactly what goes
on there in terms of injuries caused by a reckless
or careless conduct.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
This is because we have a CC. You essentially can't
sue us if a car hits you on the street. Here,
you can't an Australian can't sue.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
That's right, and we see that as very odd and
very anti consumer. But the point is that where Australians
go to New Zealand. The ACC stops paying as soon
as they land back in Australia, so they're an extreme disadvantage.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
When you get back to Australia. Is there no government
assistance for you whatsoever or just for loss of income
like you get presumably get health cover there.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Well you could get health cover, yes, under Medicare and
but no, there's no replacement income at all. That that
just doesn't happen. So Queensland. Sorry, I'm from Queensland, but
I was speaking on behalf of all Australians. If they're
maimed on a road in New Zealand or orphaned their

(05:02):
bread winner parent dies, they can't get anything to replace
the income that has lost because of that tragedy that
happened on New Zealand soil.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
What's the situation and other holiday destinations for Australians.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Well, most countries have very good compensation rights. New Zealand
is an outlier. There aren't many places in the world
like that. So most other countries, United Kingdom, the United States,
Canada all have compensation systems that hold people accountable and

(05:44):
the people ensure against that. And it's the insurance that
pays that loss of income into the future. For some reason,
New Zealand decided that they do it on their own
and go a different direction in the early seventies. As
you say, Queens, sorry, Australians need to be aware of
that before they decide to travel in New Zealand, because

(06:04):
they do go at their own risk.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
But do you just get insurance, don't you?

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, travel insurance covers you while you're away, but once
you land back in Australia, once you set foot back
in Australian soil, travel insurance also stops. So no, it's
not easy to get insurance for that.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Have you have you come and visited us? Have you
been to New Zealand before?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I have?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Indeed a very nice place. I like it, but I'm
extra extra careful because of those risks.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, so you don't cross the road or you just
care that when you.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Do, I try to avoid crossing the road.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Really do you come here in Cotton Wool?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Well you do. Look, as I said, I don't want
to offend New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Don't worry it is don't worry about offending us. Don't
worry about that.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
It is a real risk. It is a real risk.
You're not you don't have that. You do have the
acc that will look after you after an accident, but
visitors from other countries don't and they need to be
aware of this particular risk.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Interesting point, Peter, thank you very much for that. I
don't expect pleasure. I don't expect you did the bungee.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Then, certainly not.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Peter Carter, great to have you on the show. That
is the director of Carter Captain of Law in Brisbane.
Peter Carter just making the point, which is I mean,
it's a fair point to make, isn't it, because the
system really does work for us. I mean it's it's
great for you if you're in New Zealander, but if
you're a foreigner coming here, and we did look, I've
just had someone texting what about Balley and Thailand where
all the Aussies love to go. I did ask our

(07:47):
producers to have a look at that, and they have
you pay one hundred and fifty percent of the local
health costs you will pay while you're there, and then
presumably you would just see them. I mean, if someone
hit you with their car or whatever, you would just
suit them. The number to text it is fourteen after
four news talks theb Darcy's here next with the latest

(08:09):
on Will Young.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's the Heather Dupissy Allan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
News TALKSB. It is seventeen minutes after four lots of
your texts coming in. On this interview we have with
the Australian lawyer who says come to New Zealand at
your own risk. This is in response to our tourism campaign.
So he won't travel unless he can sue, says this text.
That's bizarre. No foreign national should be admitted to New
Zealand without travel insurance and not be eligible for acc

(08:39):
says Murray. Marie says, Ryan, really, this man Peter from
Queensland is ridiculous. If an Australian goes to eighteen to
ninety percent of countries around the world, there is no compensation.
But his point, Maria is that you can sue whereas
you can't sue here, so it's different. Anyway, It is
eighteen minutes up.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
That never happen.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
What we don't know what on the I agree, I agree,
we have Darcy here. Darcy, good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Mister Brick.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Good to have you, and indeed to see you as well.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
And tell me. So what's happening with Will Young?

Speaker 7 (09:10):
And this?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
He's created a bit of a conundrum for the black Caps,
hasn't he?

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Will Young's been on the exterior for quite some time now.
He's an elegant batsman. He knows how to score runs,
but he can't quite get in his role on the team.
When he gets into the middle order, he can't quite
make it click. But he covered for Rechen Revender, he opened.
He scored a beautiful ton last night, Tom Lathan back
and Form he scored a ton as well. So the

(09:36):
next discussion point is when rechend Revendra comes back, does
Devin Conway exit and Young stays in the team? What
does Young exit and Devin Conway stays in the team.
So that's the debate now that the selectors have to have,
and it makes a lot of point in fac There's
a newsletic called the Bounce. Dylan Cleeder Form, a colleague

(09:57):
of mine from us even Held, writes that, and he
wrote in his news that today that Will Young looked
like he was batting on a different surface to everybody.
He was that assured of what he was doing. It
was wonderful wonderful to watch on himself along with Lathan
and the brutal Phillips. Glen Phillips set up that victory
over Pakistani, so it's great to see.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Now Rugby league the plans for the second NRL team,
the New Zealand NRAL team, the Warriors being accused of
trying to shut it all down.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Do you understand why they would?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, because they don't want the competition.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
There's two schools of thought.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
And David Moffatt's going to join us on Sports Talk
up after seven o'clock because he's the CEO of the
South Island keya bit that want to get involved in
the South Island. One school of thoughts say, is I
understand protecting a patch. I don't want to have the
sponsors coming on board. They don't want anyone stealing that fire.
This is the Warriors. They want to be solely focused
on them. And David Moffatt's going on he haven't really

(10:52):
done much. I mean really cell phones haven't won and
the other other side. But let's thought what happened with
Auckland FC and the Phoenix Now that rivalry it's sold out.
It go media statium this week in and I think
that creates more energy behind the competition itself. So if
there's a second NROL team, surely that's better for the Warriors.

(11:14):
Even though the Warriors say we need to wait another
team or fifteen years, not that it's there.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Why do they think we need to wait another ten
or fifty because presumably it would be great for player
development too, you'd have more opportunity pathways. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, And then that's what the Mona pacifica team looking
at as well. It's like, hey, we want a big
Pacific team here. We've got so many players, maybe we
could get a sided. And then you've got the Orca
who wants to run out our christ Church as well.
There are all these consortiums desperate to climb in. But
you know what the overarching, the overbearing situation here is.
I don't think the NRL wants us anyway. I don't

(11:47):
think they want another team. They've not communicated, they've not talked,
they've not been open. Avalanders is running around trying to
find billions of dollars from everybody else than while they're
getting six hundred million out of the Aussie government to
put Papua New Guinean and try and tell him. It's
got something to do with Chinese interests in Northern anyway.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, well it certainly does. It's quite political. That very fun,
isn't it. Darcy. Thank you. We'll see you tonight, Darcy.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Wait, Joe Parker's on the show tonight with that Joseph.
Joseph Parker on the show. Let's just get off the
fame with him. Beyond the show talking about us big
title fight.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
This w com Peters is on his way to go
see Joseph Parker fight. Darcy Watergrove's sports talk host. You'll
be with it at seven o'clock tonight on News Talks.
Here b it's twenty one.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
After four putting the challenging questions to the people at
the heart of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on Hither
Duplice Ellen Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
There'd be twenty four minutes after four. So a couple
of texts here which are following up on the interview
we did with the Australian lawyer who's come out and
said in response to our advertising campaign, you know, come
over to New Zealand, come visit. He said, go at
your own risk because if you go to New Zealand
and we have the acc no fault system. You can't
sue for loss of income. So you come here, you

(13:02):
get hit by a car, you lose your legs. Sorry,
this is quite an extreme example I'm throwing at you
as an example. You go home, you've got no income,
you're up the creek without a paddle. So he's saying,
just be careful in New Zealand. In fact, he did
say when he came here to New Zealand to visit
for a holiday, he didn't cross the road for fear

(13:24):
of getting hit by car. Anyway, this is just listening
to your interview with the Australian guy. Overseas visitors are
covered in New Zealand with our ACC I'm a nurse.
We have frequent visitors who have had accidents here and
they get acc while they're in New Zealand. TC. Thank
you for your message. Yes, you are right. They do
get health cover acc cover while they're in New Zealand,
but then once you go home you don't. That's his
point and that's what he's got a problem with. Hey,

(13:45):
Chris penk who's the Associate Minister of Immigration. He is
letting this is the eighteen year old overstayer in New Zealand,
letting him stay in New Zealand. What I didn't realize
and what he has made clear in a statement today
is the Minister only became aware of this case at
all after the media started making inquiries. Michael Mora at

(14:06):
the New Zealand Herald started making inquiries last Friday afternoon
and the implication early on was that the Minister was
across it. So clearly the Minister wasn't. Anyway, his lawyer
is with us after five o'clock this evening, so we'll
have more on that and find out. Particularly want to
know what's happening with the parents. Twenty six after four
So these Chinese navy vessels have you seen this in

(14:28):
the news, that have been floating past, well not floating,
but sailing past Sydney. Our defense forces are apparently monitoring them.
Judith Collins is across the situation. She's been briefed on it.
She's on the show after six o'clock, so we'll ask
her about that. But what signal do you think they're
trying to sent Because there's a couple of different schools
of thought. One is there's this big wig from the

(14:51):
US military who's in Australia at the moment. He's the
head of the US Indo Pacific Command, So big, big
dude relevant to the region. Did the Chinese know that
and then drive their vessels past Sydney as a hey,
you know, we'll look at us. Or the other school
of thought is that it's just basically them showing that

(15:13):
they can that they've got boats and they can drive them.
Literally that's it. So we'll ask Judith Collins what she
thinks about all of that. That's after six twenty seven
after fourth News Talk said.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Be checking the point of the story. It's Ryan Bridge

(15:44):
on hither Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and US Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Because I'm twenty five minutes away from five year on
news Talk said be. So the old Toto thing at
Parliament yesterday is carrying over to today. It's like episode
two in the ALTA. It's the sequel. Jerry Brown has
apparently made a ruling on it, so we'll find out
exactly what that is. Barry Soap has been watching, he's

(16:14):
across it. He's with us. Before five this evening, lots
of people texting in about we were talking of the
navy ships, the Chinese navy ships over in Sydney, off
the coast of Sydney. We're speaking to Judith Collins about
it later and I said, drive the boat. You know
these captains who drive the boat. People said, you can't
say drive the boat. This one says you have to
say sail the boat, not drive a boat. But if

(16:35):
it's not a sail boat, then would you be sailing it?

Speaker 9 (16:38):
You know?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
And these are not sail boats Ryan, the Chinese. Whatever
it is, this textas says, the Chinese drive their ships
better than we do. Als are at the bottom of
the ocean. Twenty four to five.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's the world wires on news dogs he'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Talk about upping the anti Trump's now calling Zelenski a dictator.
Here's what republic can Senator John Kennedy thinks of that.

Speaker 10 (17:02):
I don't want to give between President Lensky and President Trump.

Speaker 11 (17:05):
I never get between a dog and a fire hundred.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Now that's where I live my life.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
I think they're both good man.

Speaker 12 (17:12):
I think they both want the same thing.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Big government Baylor happening across the Tasman in Australia, the
federal and state government spending two point seven billion dollars
to keep the Wyala still works alive until a new
operator has found his elbow.

Speaker 13 (17:27):
We want Whyala not just to survive, but to thrive
and grow, and that is very possible with division that
I share with. The next bloke will speak the Premier
of South Australia.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
We have more on this shortly with Murriyold's Finally, California
man who has returned to the house that he evacuated
from during the fires, has discovered he has a new flatmate.
A two hundred and twenty kilogram black bear has taken
up residents in the cruel space underneath his home of
Petish and Wildlife is working on a plan to a

(18:02):
Victor Beer. In the meantime, apparently he's having a gay
old time. He's happily spending his days sunbathing by the
pool and raiding the neighbors trash can for food.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
International Correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Murray Old's Australia correspondent Murray Good.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Afternoon, Hello, Ryan, Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
What's happening? The city man has been arrested for three
anti Semitic attacks.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well he has.

Speaker 14 (18:27):
He was already in custody after being charged with the
attempt at fire bombing of a synagogue in Newtown for
those who know Newtown, it's just in the inner West
of Sydney and now Strikeforce Pearl police have accused him
of fire bombing the former home of one of Australia's
leading figures in the Jewish community, plus an anti Semitic

(18:47):
vandalism attack with another half wit in Sydney's East on
the same day as a Newtown attack. Police have used
a close circuit telly and telephone records to put the
pair there. It's also been revealed this fellow seven year
old is now in protective custody. In prison, he's been
attacked twice and nicknamed Nazi, apparently by other prisoners. According

(19:08):
to his lawyer, these two attacks happen after word got
around inside jail that he's a white supremacist. So he
is in protective custody and he and his co accuses
will be up in court.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I'm pretty sure April.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
All right, Murray. We had that RBA decision yesterday and
unemployment today up to four point one percent.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
That's true. Yeah, four point one.

Speaker 14 (19:29):
And that's the way the Reserve Bank of Australia wants
the unemployment rate to go, the argument being that if
more people are actually out of work, there'll be less
pressure on inflation and that'll mean more opportunities to lower
interest rates.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
It's a bit of a paradox.

Speaker 14 (19:45):
These figures because you've got full time jobs up by
fifty five thousand, part time jobs down by ten thousand,
so there's more confidence out there amongst employers. They are
willing to hire people. That's pretty clear. The number of
unemployed people went up by twenty three thousand. More women
found work than men. But the Reserve Bank made it
very clear on Tuesday won't be rushing to slash interest

(20:08):
rates while the labor market remains very very strong. So
we've had this one, but they're saying, don't hold your
bread for the second. It could come the next month,
but it might not.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
All right, what about the steel works, So it's a
lot of money to be spending to keep it alive
until there's a new operator. Are they trying to do
something green with us?

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well?

Speaker 14 (20:26):
Interestingly no, I mean the Premiere of South Australia, who's
a very savvy operator. He's actually closed down a green
hydrogen plant. I'm not sure from this distance if it's
going to be a permanent closure or it's just been
shut down. In the meantime, with all the focus going
into boosting the steel manufacturing capability of Wayela, it is

(20:47):
Australia's number one steel.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Manufacturing center, makes around seventy five percent of Australia's steel.

Speaker 14 (20:53):
It's a city of twenty two thousand people and twelve
hundred are directly employed by the steel works. So that's
why the federal and South Australian governments have jumped in
with two point four billion Australian dollars three hundred billion
bucks to creditors right away, because of course the state
government put the steel works in the administration yesterday because

(21:14):
of the debts. It owes so much money. So three
hundred million dollars to creditors, half a billion dollars to
be spent on keeping the steel works open and an
upgrade of.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Course of steel works infrastructure.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
I mean, I think you know this thing is it's
pretty old and you have to look at this too
through the prism of politics, because there's no mistaking alban
easy there propping up a very significant local industry in
South Australia. He says, we simply can't be a country
that just digs stuff out of the ground. We have
to manufacture things as well. Steel very very important to

(21:48):
the Australian economy and so that's why we're spending big
on this clapped out steel works in Whyala.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, what has done and said anything about this yet?
Because obviously the Union.

Speaker 14 (22:01):
Peter Dutton has been absent from the political stage ever
since Tuesday's interest rate cut.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
I don't know where he's hiding, but he's hiding somewhere.

Speaker 14 (22:10):
I mean, they'll probably find some reason to say, oh,
you know, it's too much money or whatever. But it's
hard to argue in the context of an election that
it's bad to spend money employing people, saving a vital
Australian industry and.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Keeping a town alive in a pretty important state.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, certainly, certainly good politics for Elbow. Murray, thank you
for that, Murray olds Hoar Australia, corresponding, great to have
you on, as always. Nineteen minutes away from five. That
whaler is the steel works produces. It's one of only
two in Australia that produces seventy five percent of their
structural steel, so it's it's quite significant. Eighteen minutes away
from five News Talks. He be coming up next. It's

(22:49):
Barry Soper and it's part two of the Alta.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
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Speaker 3 (22:57):
It is sixteen minutes away from five News Talks.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
He be.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
We've got the most common surname in New Zealand for newborns.
I'll get to that before five as well. Barry Soap
is here, Senior political correspondent, Barry. Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
Right, it's Barry, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
What You're one of the most common No, I.

Speaker 8 (23:14):
Know what it would be. What When I saw the headline,
I thought, I know sing.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Ah surely well, I thought Wilson.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
But it's more of a title as well.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
It is the Sikh community. It's interesting that's both in
North Island and the South Island. Anyway, we'll talk about
that later. That's good trivia, very altera. Speaking of names. Gosh,
this is carrying on today?

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Oh is it? What got the airing again today? Even
Ricardo Mendia's march was game enough to stand up when
Winston Peters was standing in for the Prime minister. It
seems though Ryan, you, you and your listeners will be
pleased know that your role when referring to New Zealand
and Parliament is acceptable, even though Winston Peters, who like

(24:01):
I said, was standing in for the Prime minister today,
still won't have a bar of it when he was
asked a question by Labour's Carmel Si Paloni is continuing
to be obstinate. Have a listen.

Speaker 15 (24:13):
Is Winston Peter's actually accomplishing anything for al Tierdor when
he tells members of migrant communities that their views are
worth less than people born in ald.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
Tierdor, that member will get an answer when she asked
a question about a country called New.

Speaker 16 (24:27):
Zealand, given how precious the language is in this house.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
But it is sadly being dumped.

Speaker 16 (24:34):
On by two of the most senior Mali members who
are questioning the legitimacy. And I asked you to make
a ruling on this use or known in terms of
the legitimacy of Terrio.

Speaker 12 (24:45):
Mar the use of either the English sanguage or Toro
Mahli perfectly acceptable.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
There's no question about that.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Bingo, there we have, yeah problem solve public service that
the automatic pay rises that they get there looking like
they're going to come to an end.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
Well, look when you look at the pay bill last
year six point five billion dollars, that was up by
five point three percent. So you know, the public service
because they are on automatic scales. So regardless if you're
sitting behind your desk pushing a pen, not being very
extraordinary at what you do, you'll still know that if

(25:23):
you're there next year. It's tenure based, so the longer
you're there, the more you get paid automatically. Now, I remember,
you know, when I started in this business as a
journalist many many years ago, we used to have an
automatic pay scale as well. You could jump them though
if you were better at your job than others. And
I assume that's the way in the public service. But

(25:47):
those that really slack, they don't. They won't be sacked.
They'll still sit at their desk pushing their pen, getting
more money every your year, stay until the retirement and
have a nice bonus at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Game.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
Now Flurford Simon's who's with the PSA? She defends vehemently.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Course she does she said they should have every Friday
off too. Basically, honestly, it's extraordinary.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
And it was a directive that was put down by
Brian Wright. She's making a big difference it. So he's
put down a directive that was last December. It came
out today it got leaked that he told chief executives
that this practice could be at an end and they
are going to now sit up and take notice.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Because of course, there's nothing wrong with a pay increase,
but it should be a pay increase based on your
performance on merit on merit because and imagine, so the bill,
as you said, it's five point nine percent up last year,
and that's under a national government. Remember in the wage bill,
Imagine if you could take that all of that money
and put it in how high you could pump someone's
wage if they're doing a great job.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
And you'll remember, it's interesting, there's going to be big
changes in the SEREA. I'd suggest when you listen to Chris,
Chris Luxon has been saying, I mean, he's saying there
are very talented people on the public service that we
should be nurturing better.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So, yeah, that's sort of It's interesting because act has
a policy on that. Don't they much is some sort
of fund anyway, We'll cut to We'll cut to the
submissions the treaty principles built the cost of those. Have
we got some numbers more than two.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
Hundred and seventy thousand dollars where it's costing the taxpayer
for these submissions. Now, there's an argument that why give
a submission to this bill because we know it's going
to fail anyway, So why waste your breath. I've been
watching a large number of these submissions and those who
are turning out to give them are mainly Moldy, are

(27:44):
mainly absolutely opposed to it. Understandably that's their view, But
why waste your time because you know at the end
of it it's going to be thrown out anyway. But
I guess the debate is out there. Little debate at
the Select commit though, because predominantly, from what I've seen,
the submissions are totally opposed to the bill. So it's

(28:07):
costing a lot of money. That's the price of democracy.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Well that's what they're saying. Yeah, hey, before we go,
there's been a couple of texts just in the last
half hour about your injury. You know, we sort of
alluded the other day that we would tell people what
happened to you you were injured, but we never actually
told them. So what's happened?

Speaker 8 (28:23):
Well, I could say I was giving the middle finger
good night hand, but no, it was a bit of
a bike accident, sort of reaching out, a broken knuckle,
a joint actually in my ring fingers. So it's going
to be operated on.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Goodness me, how many surgeries are going to have?

Speaker 8 (28:40):
I cannot keep out of the operating theater. I like
anesthetic so much. Sure, Ryan, and I'm going to get
back for more.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Hey, just before we do go actually the ku Mar case,
so he's actually going to be allowed to stay. The
Minister's decided.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Chris Pink.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm surprised that he didn't know before Michael Mara at
the Herald started knocking on the door. But he had
no idea of this case at all.

Speaker 8 (28:59):
Yeah, I really feel sorry for this young man. He's
eighteen years old. His mum came here more than I
think twenty years ago. She's been here illegally, but because
she was pregnant when she came, well when she came
or when she was here, gave birth to him. They

(29:19):
said you've got to go as well as your mother.
But the parents have got to go now.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
But you know, we have rules, we have.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
It's very sad, it's very satire. The family's been split
up unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, the parents are going. He's staying interesting. We'll talk
to the lawyer. Are the boys lawyer on the show
after five tonight we'll find out what's happening with those parents.
Very good to see you, cheers, very Soper with us.
It has just gone nine minutes away from five News Talk.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Shibb putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (29:51):
If I heard Adrian or correctly, fifty points will come
with another couple of cuts shortly and at that point,
all things being equal, we are in neutral territory. Adriana's
with us. The banks have passed on some but not all.
Is that acceptable or not?

Speaker 10 (30:04):
The banks need to do better. They need to look
at their own margins and chase and compete for customers
much more vigorously.

Speaker 17 (30:12):
Those profit margins you talked about. We saw a couple
of results in the last week or so. And I
always compare the Australian number to the New Zealand number
the New Zealand numbers always hired. Why hasn't that been
addressed so we get a better deal?

Speaker 10 (30:21):
Yeah, I mean spot on the biggest challenges. Income streams
don't disrupt themselves, but they need disrupting.

Speaker 17 (30:27):
Back tomorrow at six am the Make Hosking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the LAH News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
It has just gone six minutes away from five on
News Talks B Child poverty. So there's stats out today.
No major change to the stats from n twenty twenty
four compared to twenty twenty three, which is not great
because you want that number to be going down, right,
So thirteen point four percent this is a material hardship.
Now what does that actually mean. It means you are

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going without a basic thing like heating, or doctor's visits,
or fruit and veggies, fresh fruit and veggies. Those are
the types of things they're talking about. So the target
for the government is nine percent of children. That number
at the moment is thirteen point four percent. Now, this
is based on a survey, so it can be a
little up and down, and it can be a little

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inaccurate actually, because it's only nineteen thousand households when we
have about two million of them. Anyway, Luise Upstance on
the show. She's here after five talk about this and
respond to it now, just so you know, just Cinda
Adurn's goal for this particular stat was seven percent, so
slightly better than the nine that this government's aiming for. However,
by the time she left office it was still at

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twelve and a half.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Bryan Bridge, she's.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Gone five away from five now. Lots of bills coming
being pluck from the ballot. I'll tell you about those.
Jenny Shipley form the Prime Minister has been at the
Treaty Principal's Bill at the Justice Select Committee. Here's what
she had to say today.

Speaker 18 (31:50):
When I left Parliament twenty three years ago, I couldn't
conceive of the fact that I would then be in
front of you as I am today. I'm here because
I view this bill as unconscionable in terms of its
proposal to rethink the way in which we engage as
Treaty partners without reference to the Treaty partner in drafting

(32:11):
this bill.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, Jennie Shipley, she's a lot more, you'd have to say,
measured in her comments today than she was. Remember she
used the words civil war the last time she spoke
about the Treaty Principal's bill, so she sounds a lot
more measured actually delivering her submission to the committee today.
You might be able to drink booze at Easter. Karen MacNulty,
the Labor MP. He's had his bill pluck from the

(32:34):
ballot today, very excited about that, and he has support
from the act Party already, the ACTINGP Cameron Luxton. He's
come out in supporting and saying yeah, I would like
to bear at easter too. Frankly, so would I, so
would we all? I would think nine two ninety two
is the number to text Louise Upston.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
After News We'll never up for.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
We'll never never for.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
The finger of blade.

Speaker 19 (33:08):
Has turned a party yourself and went to myself my prison.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Need martl.

Speaker 20 (33:20):
Molly Liver, Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you
trust for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Brian Bridge on hither d for see allan drive with
one New Zealand Let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
News talks AB good even it.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Is seven after five News TALKSIB Child poverty stats out
today basically flat for twenty three twenty four. The figure
show from stats in z seventeen point seven percent of
all key we children were in poverty. That's based on
household and come after housing costs have been paid material
hardship that was just over thirteen percent. Target for the

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government was nine percent. Loise Ubstance, their minister for Child Poverty.
Who's with me, hime? Minister, Good afternoon, Ryan. You're happy
with that, of course not.

Speaker 21 (34:12):
I mean, no New Zealander wants to see children in poverty,
and unfortunately it reflects the very challenging economic conditions we've
had for the last few years.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's interesting, isn't it, because Labour's come out today and
said you've got the minimum what you know, you guys
didn't increase the minimum wage enough. You didn't you did
the indexation with the benefits. But really, when it comes
down to it, this is about economic growth, isn't it.
And it's about inflation.

Speaker 21 (34:39):
Absolutely, So if you look at the cost of living,
we do know that those on the lowest incomes are
hit the hardest with the cost of living. So why
we've made really good progress in the last year. These
statistics are for the thirtieth of June twenty four and
we still know that there are some families, the cost

(34:59):
of living is still affecting them. The ocr drop yesterday
takes a while for that to flow through and for
families to really feel it in their household budgets. So
we're a little way off yet. I know that's frustrating,
and it's just recognizing we've had very tough economic times,

(35:20):
but we as a government do not shy away from
the challenge.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
One of our.

Speaker 21 (35:25):
Three priorities for children and young people is to reduce
material hardship, and that's what we will continue to work toward.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Do you think that that'll happen in the next round, Well,
what we.

Speaker 21 (35:38):
Do know is that a growing economy provides greater opportunities
for people and does have an impact on material hardship.
I can say that confidently because when National was last
in office in the years from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen,
we reduce the number of children in material hardship by
fifty six thousand. That is possible when the economy is

(36:02):
growing and there are opportunities for people to be at
work and to be earning higher wages.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
How to argue with that, Minister? Thanks for your time,
Louise Upston. Who's the Minister for Child Poverty. The result
not great, but the driving force is growth, so we
need a bit of growth and we need to get
rid of inflation, which hopefully, according to the Reserve Bank,
we've done nine after five Bridge Jennie Zealand's half year
result out net profit one hundred and six million dollars.
That is down eighteen percent on the same period last year.

(36:30):
Engine issues. The big problem for them Greg four and
is the chief executive high.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Greg.

Speaker 19 (36:35):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
There? How are you run good? Thank you? How much worse?
So obviously this is not great for you? How much
worse will it get in the second half? Do you reckon?

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Look bit too early to call at the stage, but
we have said to the market that we do expect
it to be down on where we were in the
first half. But I would say, actually, I think this
is a really good result for the first half when
you consider what we deal was here has been tough.
It's a bit like you know, an All Blacks team
operating without the front row. You know, some of these

(37:06):
things are beyond our control. But I think it's been
a good performance. We haven't buckled and I think our
staff have really done a true terrific job holding this
thing together.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
This is the engine issues. How many planes are you
short and how much do you reckon that's taking off
your bottom line?

Speaker 10 (37:26):
Well, we know actually that it's about one hundred and
thirty million dollars worth a headwind in that first half,
So you know, we calculate that we've got about ninety
million dollars worth of compensation. So it didn't cover everything
that we had to deal with, but it's certainly helped.
And that's all part of the negotiation we have with
the engine guys. We had been down about you know,

(37:50):
seven to eight planes in the first half, but we're
predicting that's actually going to be around eleven and the
second half and then it should start to improve. And
you know this is all due to Rolls Royce and
Pratt and Whitney. It's a worldwide issue. It just happens
to be that, you know, we've got two of the

(38:10):
engine models that are problematic.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
What about the performance, This is your on time performance.
September you were at eighty point four percent for on
time departures. Is that getting better or worse?

Speaker 10 (38:21):
It's been actually a real focus of ours. We weren't happy,
not just in September. We weren't particularly happy in November
and December, and neither were our customers, and I apologize
for that, but I can tell you we have really
nailed our performance since the beginning of the year, and
on time performance has been over eighty percent for both

(38:42):
January and February. To date, cancelation rates has come right
down year to date just one point three percent. So
a real focus and once again credit to the team.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Ukland Airport having another crack at you. I mean, this
is like the perennial back and forth between you guys.
But they're saying today, they're saying that your market dominant,
you know, eighty four percent of the domestic market. You're
not meeting the needs of customers and regional communities. We've
got higher prices, we've got fewer flights than the pre pandemic.
It's affecting tourism.

Speaker 10 (39:12):
What are you saying, I'd say a couple of things.
First of all, in terms of regional connectivity. You know,
back in twenty twelve, so just over a deco decade ago,
we only have thirty four turboprops servicing regional New Zealand.
That's eighty hours and Q three hundreds. We now have
fifty three soon to be fifty four, so plenty of

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extra flights in There have there been some adjustments, particularly
out of Wellington in the last few months as we
deal with a twenty five percent decline in government travel
and a decline in corporate travel. Of course you would
expect us to do that, but we know how important
it is to be fair to everyone in New Zealand
and ensure we've got connectivity in. The second point I

(39:55):
make is I don't want to get into pointing fingers
at the stage. My issue in terms of main airports
is around the regulatory settings. And you know that's what
I'm asking not just Auckland the airport. I'm asking that
you know, the government to look at and say what
is the responsible regulatory settings to ensure that infrastructure, which

(40:19):
is effectively operating in a monopoly type environment, gets spent.
We all know spend some money, but have some checks
and balances in there.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
We have ten seconds left if he's going to get
more expensive this half.

Speaker 10 (40:34):
What we're seeing is what we're seeing all around the
country right and we're seeing less inflation a little bit. Still.
What I can tell you is we do our best
to hold them, but we are still seeing a little
bit of inflation, but certainly the rate of increase has
decreased significantly.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Greeg, thank you very much.

Speaker 10 (40:54):
Thank you right.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
It's Greg four and he's the chief executive at in
New Zealand's gone fourteen minutes after five so year. They
are slightly less twenty three million dollars less than what
they made in the same six months of last year,
but still a profit of more than one hundred million
dollars here in New Zealand. It has just gone fourteen
after five year. On news talks, they've been coming up. Next,
the overstay, the eighteen year old overstar. He is allowed
to stay in New Zealand. The minister has given him

(41:18):
some mercy, but what of his parents? The lawyer next
five to seventeen good news, bad news for the eighteen
year old Damon Kumar. This is the Overstaan. The Associate
Immigration Minister. He's decided to give him a residence visa
so he can stay in New Zealand. The bad news
his parents still facing deportation. The lawyer is Alistair mcclemont.
He's with me Hi Alistair Hi Ryan, how are you yeah, good, thanks.

(41:41):
How's Damon feeling well.

Speaker 7 (41:45):
As you've said, very mixed emotions. I mean, he's absolutely
delighted that he can now get on for his life,
but now yes and his sister have to face losing
their parents, so yeah, it's very difficult for him to
really you know understand how we really feels about this.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
When are the parents going to be deported because it's
obviously been he's eighteen, they've been here the whole time.
Is this going to happen soon? Well?

Speaker 7 (42:09):
Look, usually you know, Immigration is zelond are pretty good
in talking to people in this sort of situation and
trying to negotiate a voluntary departure. So that's really much
what's going to happen now. You know, we'll have to
talk with Immigration Zone see what's going to happen, and
talk to the parents and see what they choose to do.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
How do they how do they feel? Do they feel
guilty about the situation that they that they've put him in?

Speaker 7 (42:36):
Well, well not really. I mean, as we spoke about
a little earlier, you know, one of the reasons why
the parents did come and did stay was because they
do face persistent discrimination in India. Because of that caste
system where they come from that untouchable cast They wanted
to protect their children from this and New Zealand as
a country that doesn't have that sort of form of discrimination,

(42:57):
and so you know, in some ways they've been successful
saving their children's lives and giving them the future.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Do you think it'll encourage others to do the same.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
Well, no, I mean the Minister of Immigration talks about
where people come to New Zealand and have babies to
try and stand the country. But there are simply no
policies whatsoever that enable people to stay in this country
simply because they have a baby in this country that
is a citizen.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
But this shows that you can save your baby.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
Yeah twenty five years later, Yeah, ma me sure. But
you know this gives nothing for the parents whatsoever. Having
a New Zealand citizen child gives no rights to the
parents to stay here. It never has and it certainly
doesn't currently.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Alistair, thanks for your time, Alistair mclemont Damon Kumar's lawyers
just gone nineteen minutes after five Ryan Bridge, a man
comes to the attention of police and ordering an tamadiki.
Why because he had his kids three times on three
different occasions with his belt was a webbed belt. So
the kids are all under well, two of them are
under ten, and there's one in their early teens hit

(44:02):
them on the legs and the bum right said it
was discipline. Turns out he's a cop. Now, no charges
were laid. The IPCAS looked into this, no charges laid,
still working as an officer. And the reason they didn't
charge no evidence. Why was there no evidence? He refused
an interview and he refused permission for his kids to

(44:25):
be interviewed by police. So the question then becomes, how
on earth do you ever prosecute these cases of potential
child abuse if the parents refuse to give the kids
permission to speak, and the parent refuses to speak as well,
we're asking a lawyer. At five point thirty five, it's
twenty after News TALKS'B.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan First
A's Ryan Bridge on Hither duplicy elan drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
News talks 'B.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Five twenty three, Good evening to you. Child poverty stats
throughout today, no real change since last year and they
still haven't really recovered since the fall in twenty twenty
one under labour Thank you cost of living crisis. This
is why, this is exactly why we need growth. It
is why it is so important to stamp out inflation,
which is influenced by international factors, but also government spending,

(45:17):
of which there was much waste. It's also influenced by
rising domestic inflation, a big driver of which is council rates.
That's why it's so important they keep cutting costs and
ditching stupid vanity projects. The more waste and useless spending,

(45:38):
the more inflation, the more inflation, the higher the mortgage rates.
The higher the mortgage rates, the slower the growth. The
slower the growth, the poorer the kids wars, the price
of petrol. They plan an outsize role in our inflation number,
and they have in the past few years. But every

(45:58):
bit counts, and it's important our politicians understand this. These
numbers make a mockery of the Green's line of attack
on the current lot. They argue that at a government
that cuts spending pushes kids further into poverty. These numbers
show that up for what it really is a lie.
Just look at the counterfactual. If government spending hand over

(46:22):
fist rarely fixes child poverty. Why did the numbers start
getting worse under the last lot the last two years
of the big spenders, we went backwards, Our poorest kids
went backwards. So the people making these ridiculous claims are
either stupid or they're lying to us.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Cry and Bridge.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Twenty five minutes after five. I had to get that
off my chest. It's important. It's important because I don't
care who you vote for, whether you're left or right,
no one likes child poverty. You know. I feel like
there's a side of politics in New Zealand that thinks
that the other side enjoys or relishes, you know, poverty

(47:06):
or people being poor. I just don't believe that that's true.
Twenty five minutes after five. Now, apparently something happened that
was quite funny in the house today and a few
of you have text me about it. So Laura has
gone and found the audio. This is just in the
last few moments. So Judith Collin's apparently on fire and
she was going up against jan Tinetti on behalf of

(47:27):
the Minister for Women today. Have a listen.

Speaker 15 (47:29):
How can she have confidence that the government is prioritizing
issues pertaining to women when Police minister Mark Mitchell joked
in an interview, I don't know if a gang member
wants to deal with a perry, menopausal woman.

Speaker 22 (47:46):
Well, mister speaker.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Mister speaker, the look would probably do as an answer action.

Speaker 23 (47:58):
Let me just say this, We women have put up
with a lot. And I know this that mister Minster
Mitchell is the strongest advocate against the violence that gangs
meet out to women that I have seen, and I
fully support him in.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
Standing up against the gangs.

Speaker 22 (48:17):
As for his little statement, I'll deal with that later.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
So apparently was there more to this story, So Mark
better watch out. Judith was on a roll and she
took aim at jan Tinetti as well. Have listen.

Speaker 15 (48:31):
Does she agree with ACT Party leader David Seymour when
he said, quote, the gender pay gap exists when you
have to be there late at night to make the sale,
put in the extra hours and do all the extra
things that women are often unavailable to do because of
the way gender roles work unquote.

Speaker 23 (48:53):
Well, I think that being one of those women who
is always there late at night working and always have
been in my working life, I know that sometimes women
do get a very hard time in different treatment and
that's why we stand up for women. And the best
thing we can all do is to acknowledge women stand
up for each other no matter what and no matter

(49:13):
what our political affiliations, which is not something I've always
felt from that side of the house.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
To true Judith Collins. So Judith obviously having a very
good day in the house and she is with us
live after six here on news talks, he'd be talking about, well,
we'll ask her about all Dantinetti, Mark Mitchell, but also
those three navy ships that are currently off the coast
of Australia. All ahead here on news Talks.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Be the big stories of the day.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Forward, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duper se Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
That'd be go on just.

Speaker 11 (50:15):
Or much and on your right, let just fighter turning
up and.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
We are that in that time were getting in twenty
four minutes away from six on news Talks. There've been
no shortage of opinions on in New Zealand. I can
tell you that much. We had Greg Fouran on the
show earlier. Ryan three planes diverted from Todonga in the
last couple of days honestly, what's going on. It's either
the airport or in New Zealand. But I blame you
in New Zealand just because it's nice to another says

(50:44):
here that imagine going to Harvey Norman and being told
the TV that you're buying won't turn on six days
every month. That is in New Zealand when it comes
to on time performance, and actually getting flights to where
they say they'll go. To be fair to in New Zealand,
and I know you don't want me to be, but
to be fair toy in New Zealand, they've had the
same problems with their planes, haven't they. They went and

(51:06):
bought a whole bunch of planes from Rolls Royce. The
engines have crapped out and they're now having to get
them fixed. All the others are grounded. So it's kind
of a everyone's in that situation at Harvey Norman, an't they?
Twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Six Ryan Bridge, a senior.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Police officer who hit his children with a belt on
at least three separate occasions, will not face criminal charges
and he's keeping his job. He was censured by an
employment investigation. This is by the police force, but the IPCA.
They say the sanctions is not good enough. The police
couldn't charge them, they reckon because of a lack of evidence.

(51:42):
The officer in question refuse to allow his children to
be interviewed for evidential purposes and refuse to be interviewed himself.
Mark Henahan is an orcand university law professor. He's with
me tonight.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
Hi Mark, Hi Ryan, love to be talking with you
again and to you.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Too, Mark. How do you acute a child a potential
child abuse case? If the parent can say no, my
child doesn't give permission to be interviewed, or I don't
give permission, and the adult can say they don't give
permission either.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
Well, I think the way it works. I mean basically,
as you know, anyone who is going to be questioned
by the police as a right to science, and they
they don't have to answer questions. In some situations they
may to give their name and address. But there is
a provision in a rang of tam RICKI and the
police could have used it. If it's a situation where
the child's at great risk, they can get a warrant

(52:33):
to reove the child and obscurring at Tambriki. I think
in the States felt that the children were safe, which
was surprised. But they said that the children were safe.
So I suppose they say, because they're guardians of the children,
saying we're not going to let you take away the
children to interview them. And it's kind of tricky in
a way because I suppose the children themselves would feel
that dobbing and dad not the greatest thing they could

(52:55):
that they would be doing. But there was other evidence
I thought. I mean, obviously a rang of tamariki got
evidence from the children talking to them. They said it happened,
so I don't see why they couldn't use that. I mean,
even though it's it's secondhand, to some degree, the children
did say to rang Ti, that's why the ranger tamor
he knew about him, still thought the children were safe.
Exactly what what you just said. The children had been used,

(53:16):
that they had been used on them. So because in
some ways it is hard to sort of put pressure
on children to to give evidence against a parent, I
can understand and pitically when they had a belts used
to case no totally, so not evidence they could have
got because it seemed to be other Ranga Mariki said
quite clear that that that this had happened, and the

(53:36):
children had told them that, Yes, so the reason that
they couldn't that's evidence from it?

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Are you saying, Mark, Are you saying if the in
a case where ordering a Timodiki decreed that the children
were unsafe in the house in that instance, then the
children would be able to be interviewed and that would
be evidential.

Speaker 7 (53:58):
Well, they could remove the children, and that brings as
risk of the children, they can remove and get a warrant.
But even in this case, because of ring and Keith
Mariki had found out and felt the children, there is
some evidence and I think you know it would be
challenged because it's textual his it's not for children talking themselves.
But the court may well accept because it can in
certain circumstances say that in this case the children did

(54:21):
say to us a belt had been used on them,
and that would be sufficient evidence for a court if
it ever accepted, to say, well, that's evidence to prove
that there has been sult in this case because it's
a clear assault. I mean, the interesting thing about this
case is Liz Gunn just tapped someone on the shoulder
and charged with the whole book in the District Court
and over all by the EIG Court. This is hitting

(54:43):
kids with the belt and nothing has happened.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, it's a good point of contrasting. It's a good
point make we have to leave it there. That's Mark Hennahan,
he's aulcan University's law professor with us. It's very sad
case for the for the kids involved, the parents, both
parents actually not seaking to police. It is ten sorry,
twenty minutes away from Sex.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
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Speaker 3 (55:09):
Like no other on the Huddle tonight. Tim Wilson from
the Maxim Institute, Hey.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Tim, Hey Ryan, how are you doing?

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Good?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
To have you on?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Good?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Thank you? And Mark Sainsbury's here broadcast in Mark Sainsbury,
Hay Sainzo.

Speaker 24 (55:20):
Are you Ryan good?

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
This is not a great look. And the IPCA says,
you know, of all people who you want to make
sure that you run the ruler over, it would be
a senior police officer.

Speaker 9 (55:29):
Tim, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And look I can see obviously
it's a senior role and police they're supposed to uphold
the law, not break the law. I think I think
to the comments by the law professor earlier. It seems
that orang A Tamariki, they're the ones with as he noted,
some evidence. Now, whether that was admissible or not, I
guess is something that eventually they determined to shouldn't go

(55:52):
forward with it, but I do.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I do note that this.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
Officer has undergone a criminal investigation and deployment investigation. Irong
A Tumbriki says, Look, the kids don't face any ongoing harm.
Now I would I would place some emphasis on that.
I'm not saying it's great to whack your kids. I'm
not saying that at all, no matter how annoyed you
get with them. But but yeah, I think I think

(56:17):
that's that's the aperture to look at this through. And
if I rang A Tumbaiki says, you know they're not
facing ongoing harm. It seems to be one of those
parental lessons that you go, you know what, I'm going
to stop doing this and we'll move forward.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, Mark, he did that. The dad did say, not
that it's an excuse, but said he had tried other
forms of punishment to stop a certain behavior and this
is where he ended up.

Speaker 24 (56:37):
Well, I guess what comes it comes back to what
Mark Kahannon saying as well, if I had it been
someone else, if you take till his gun example to the.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Extreme, but you know someone else.

Speaker 24 (56:47):
The interesting thing is there's been hardly any prosecutions. I
tried looking this up and there was I think in
the first sort of six years they had five. I
think prosecutions not always success. But as she said, this
guy is a cop. And the thing that I actually
was gobsmack was the same thing as you rand, was

(57:07):
that he was able to say, well, I'm not going
to talk, and the people who I'm accused of xdly
harming are not going to talk as well, I can
stop them talking.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
That was the bit I just found very odd.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, it is weird. I mean it makes sense because
they're miners, right, but then they're also the victims. So anyway.
Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
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Speaker 3 (57:34):
Talk to the fourteen away from six a Huddle tonight.
Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institute and Mark Sainsbury, Broadcaster,
that have you ever a mark been on a tenure
based pay progression.

Speaker 24 (57:49):
Look, I have some When I first joined TV and
Z or what was it called them, is it change
that you know as BC and Z that n Z
TV and everything else. It was the old you know,
all your salary's got published, you could sit there. Oh,
I see, Tim is getting this much the lazy bugger
and I do traice as much work. It was a
very that regimented public service thing. But this, yeah, it

(58:13):
does does It just doesn't seem to sit right, does it.
I mean it's supposed to cover inequities where people might
have been you know, missed out and all that sort
of stuff, But yeah, it seems odd to just sit
there and just keep on, you know, cranking it over.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yeah, just for just for being there, literally, just for
being in the building. This is Brian Roach to. Brian
Roach has issued a directive to the government departments to
say that your you know, tenure based pay progression, which
is essentially getting paid for being there for one, two, three, four, five,
twenty forty years, whatever it is, that's the thing of
the past from now on. Tim good ideas.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, look, I think so.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
I mean, it's it's fascinating. Like the average annual salary
for a public servant in New Zealand's one hundred and
one k compared to in the private sector, it's eighty two.
Probably not comparing like for like, because public servants probably
a bit more qualified. But I just don't understand, you know,
so there is a disparity there, and if you jump
out of the public sector, you might get to pardon me,
the private Yeah, the public sector. Then you might actually

(59:13):
find that you're getting paid less. I don't understand because
the union is saying, oh, you know, this will create
a poor workplace culture paying people competitively. I would have
thought it might produce the opposite.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I just it's funny because I have never been in
in a job where this has happened to me. You know,
any any pay increases you you have to negotiate yourself,
you have to show your performance, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
So I just here's the numbers, give me some more dough.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
It's so unfamiliar to me. Yeah, they're all changed.

Speaker 24 (59:43):
When I was at TV and Z they went from that.
You know, you said, well, no, you've only been here
so long and someone else had started a year earlier
than you, So they pay, And so we went to
a contract system and say right where you could argue whatever,
you know, whatever you think is is if you went
under contract, you could argue. You know, you'd argue you're
in and instead of having to sort of, you know,
wait for the clock for TICHO for each year and

(01:00:04):
you might get set of three percent.

Speaker 9 (01:00:06):
Did you know I would have thought I would have
thought it would make it create a very morbid sort
of environment where you're just waiting, you know, you're basically
waiting for someone in the hot seat to keel over
so that you can have your time. I mean, this
dining is a topic now, that's now, that's a different
gig altogether. Not that I would know anything about that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Hey, in New Zealand coppying a bit of flat. It's
not surprising because Auckland Airport's always firing a shot at
in New Zealand and vice versa. But today they've released
the results and they're at it again and they're saying
that any Zelle is too dominant in the domestic market.
They're eighty four percent of our domestic market and they're
pushing prices up, et cetera. I mean, tell me something,
I don't know. It would be lovely if we had

(01:00:46):
more operators here, but we don't, do we tim No,
we don't.

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
And this is with Auckland the airport bagging in New Zealand.
This is a complete monopoly. Bagging are mostly monopoly and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
The biggest client team.

Speaker 24 (01:01:00):
Yeah, exactly exactly, so it's and we looked, I locked
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It cost five point five.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
K to land a seven forty seven four hundred at
Auckland Airport at sixteen hundred at Wellington. So I'm going
to I'm going to shatter the paradigm. I'm launching Timsey
Airport right now. It'll cost you thirty seven fifty to
bring a seven four seven four hundred into land at
may be a street in the back of Balmoral and Auckland,
but there's no worries with safety.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
What about Because it's interesting when they do the comparison
to Wellington and christ at the airport mark where you
are in Wellington, they reckon that they're actually quite cheap
in Auckland.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Heh.

Speaker 24 (01:01:36):
Wellington is sort of unique problems as it does with
a lot of it's infrastructure. Look, I just think Greek
forums should go for the health hop top health job,
because running an airline and running in New Zealand, that
might have to be one of the hardest jobs, would it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
Yeah, I suppose, well, especially working working at TV and
Z under a sort of wait for someone to die.
So them sounds a lot harder, a lot harder, saying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Hey, what about James Cameron? So he was in Wellington
and well, he lives in Wellington, just in and it
was at this event last night. Apparently the event was
quite weird, saying so did you go to this this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Actually, Oh, okay, give us the lowdown. What was it about.

Speaker 24 (01:02:17):
Look, I've got to temper that the fact I was
also helping juggle a friend of mine's kids, and so
I had to leave early. But there was over a
thousand people turned up. I mean, the vibe was really
interesting and they were talking. He was he was talking
sort of big concepts and things at first, and he
brought up the film Subsidy and he says, like, I know,
everyone sort of hates that, but we've got to invest

(01:02:38):
in Wellington. There's a sort of a tech hub and
a film sort of capital again, and so went through
all of that. The people did, They didn't get into
a the you know what, counselors are shocking and you
know who devoted to this and what about that. What
they're talking about is so I know quite a few
of the people involved. What they're talking about is trying
that's have a debate about ideas and things, get things

(01:03:00):
on the table before we sort of then get into
the nitty gritty of you know, how to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Pay for everything.

Speaker 24 (01:03:06):
So yeah, it was just really well, there was such
an appetite for it. I thought, there you know, and
James Cameron, you sat there, old Jim, he's such an
impressive figure and of course, you know, a big round
of applause, and you said, he's getting a citizenship in
a few months. So look, just having someone like that, who,
let's face it, could live anywhere in the world, you know, yeah,
invested in Wellington. It is quite good to get this.

(01:03:28):
There's look, something needs to happen to Wellnington getting too down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Well that's the thing. It's you've reached rock bottom and
Wellington and clearly people are ready to start climbing out
of the whole. Right. But but I look at this
from a distance, Tim, and I think, you know, a
billionaire movie man Hollywood man comes to Wellington and asks
for taxpayer handout to save the city.

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
Well, here's the deal. If the projected film makes money,
then it's an investment. If it doesn't, if it loses money,
it's a subsidy. I've got a couple of film ideas
that might help. James Cameron out, a librarian with anger
management issues tries to find a park in Wellington Central.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
No, I'm not gonna be.

Speaker 24 (01:04:07):
Okay, Yeah, that's a one off.

Speaker 9 (01:04:10):
How about a Wellington City councilor explains why property values
have gone down and breaks have gone up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
You won't believe how it ends.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
What about TV? What about TVZ broadcaster kills the colleague
to get pay right.

Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
Now, we're talking about some serious dough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
All right, guys, Hey, thanks so much for coming on.
Great to have you both. Tim Wilson from the Maximum
Institute and Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster out of Wellington. Discone seven
minutes Away from six News talk z b Judith Collins
is with us after six By the way, on the
Chinese navy vessels that have been seen off the coast
of Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
News Talks MB. It is five minutes away from six. Sorry,
Jim has just texted and literally just texted and made
me laugh. High run the Chinese. This is the navy
vessels off the coast of Australia, says The Chinese are
probably looking for the Cook Islands. That's quite good, Jim. Hey,
I had a big argument today, this is not funny,

(01:05:19):
big argument today with my partner about whether we should
fix or float. You know, what are you going to
do with your mortgage because we've been kind of holding
dragging it out and dragging it out, and it's not
a floating rate, and the floating rates terrible, so even
though they're coming down, they're still terrible, especially when you
look at the you know, the two year rates, et cetera. Anyway,
so we had a big argument today. So I may
not have dinner when.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I go home.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
We'll see. But we were arguing about this because ain
Z has dropped their two year rate down to four
point nine to nine percent. And then you've got some
economists and you've got some mortgage brokers as well. You
like to pipe up at these times saying don't take
that rate. It's it's just bait. You know, don't take
that rate. It'll fall further because the obviously you stay.
The reserve banks said they'll drop by another fifty basis

(01:06:01):
points by the middle of the year and then down
to three percent. So that's seventy five basis points that
we still potentially have to go by the end of
the year. Right, So you then start to do the maths. However,
we don't know that that's going to come off the
mortgage traits, so you just end up going around in circles.
Really and you know, it's crystal ball gazing, really is
what it is. And it's probably you know, it's a

(01:06:24):
fast road to divorce. Is trying to pick the ocr
track I would have thought, and trying to do the
numbers yourself. It is three minutes away from six year.
On News Talks, it'd be Judith Collins is here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Here On New Talks would be it is seven after
six the rbnz's taking a swipe at stats n Z
over bad data. Liam Dan breaks that done for us shortly.
Jamie McKay on the Members Bill, that's looking at woke
banking plus after six point thirty. I'm taking a closer
look at those film subsidies. James Cameron mentioned in Wellington
last night. We're live to London within the Brady right now, though,

(01:07:35):
concerns from the Defense Force about three Chinese navy vessels
with enormous strike power sailing off the coast of Australia.
The Defense Forces monitoring the Naval Task Group in the
Tasman Sea. This is about two hundred and eighty kilometers offshore.
China's government hasn't informed our government or Australia's of its intentions.
The Defense Minister's Judith Collins hime minister Oh hi Ryan,

(01:07:58):
good to have you on the show. They have had
any word from the Chinese yet No.

Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
My advice is that we were not informed or have
not been informed by the Chinese government why this task
group has been deployed into our region and we've not
been informed what its future plans are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Is there anything we need to worry about?

Speaker 22 (01:08:17):
Well, it's an unusual move it certainly. I've been told
that it's the first time that we've had this sort
of capability from the PLA in our waters. It's when
off the coast of Australia. Incredible capability. Some of these
Turdy ships in particular, and you know once an anti

(01:08:42):
submarine could engage in anti submarine warfare. Stealth guided missile destroyer,
able to carry and launch surface to air missiles. Really
quite stunning pieces of equipment and we've never seen them
in this area before.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
We don't think they're going to use them though, do we.
I mean, this is more posturing, isn't it than actual
real threat.

Speaker 22 (01:09:06):
I don't think anyone's suggesting that they're about to be
used against us, in all the Australians. It's just that
they are here, first time we've seen them, and just
a change in operation operating area really, So what do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
We do about it? Just watch them?

Speaker 22 (01:09:23):
Well, we watch them, we monitor, That's what we do
along with the Australians, and we work together. We've got
the PHA Poseidon's, we've got our frigate, we've got various
other things out there and we're working, as I said,
along with the Australians just to keep an eye on
things and make sure that everyone knows that we're watching.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
The ICBM that they launched last year into the Pacific.
They gave us twenty four hours note were warning for that.
Has there been any consequence for them for doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:09:55):
I think the consequence that I saw was that a
lot of Pacific nations that had only seen the really
great side of China, which is economic growth and areas
like that, suddenly felt very disrespected because we were pretty
much the only people that I'm aware of who got
told and certainly a lot of the Pacific nations that ICBM,

(01:10:15):
which you could be nuclear capable. What those countries got
told was nothing until after it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
The Cooks obviously didn't get the message.

Speaker 22 (01:10:27):
I think the Cooks are going through a phase at
the moment, but we very much love the cook Iland
people and they are New Zealand citizens and we're here
for them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
You just come back from Munich. Must have been a
fascinating conference to be at, you know, with JD. Varance
and everything that was going on there. But you talked
about security obviously a lot. What was it like being there?
What was it like being in the room.

Speaker 22 (01:10:50):
Well, it was certainly interesting being in the room when
Vice President vask gave a speech. There was I agreed
with quite a lot of what he said about about
democracy and freedom speech and free elections. Those are really
good things. I think though, that the audience was expecting
a bit more about defense and Ukraine and support for Ukraine.

(01:11:13):
So there was a little bit of disappointment in the room.
But look, it's just understandable that the Europeans are looking
to their own defense budgets and saying we have to
increase our spending. The US is looking to see what
they can do too. Factors, it's a very challenging time.
And what concerns me and what concerns many people in

(01:11:33):
New Zealand and also Australia is what messages do does
anyone take from a deal with Ukraine? Unless Ukraine actually
has the sovereignty.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
And also if it's not backed up by at least
air cover and other capabilities from the US.

Speaker 22 (01:11:53):
Well, I think other countries are looking to step up
in certainly the UK, and you've heard our primes to
say that if we were asked to and if it's
worked for US, we would also provide peacekeeping capability, and
we have already contributed around one hundred and thirty million
dollars in training and also equipment and money for drones

(01:12:15):
another warfare equipment to Ukraine. We believe in democracy and
we think it's worth fighting for.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Do you know how many troops would we put on
would we be able to do in a peacekeeping mission?

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Have you had any.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Advance on that?

Speaker 22 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I haven't had an advice on that, but I
know that our people are always keen to be deployed.
We've got you know, look, we don't keep a defense
force unless they're willing to be and able to be deployed.
And the last thing we'll ever do is ever to
deploy them to something like an MiQ facility and watch
the doubts actually be ripped out of the defense force.
So we're rebuilding and they these boys and girls, Boy

(01:12:51):
do they love getting an uniform and getting off and
doing some stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Are you getting more money for this budget for defense?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Are you?

Speaker 22 (01:12:57):
Or well you just have to wait and see other
I'm a happy little pixie actually defense at the moment.
All right, you know very clear we have to spend
more on defense.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yeah, well, we hit two percent.

Speaker 22 (01:13:11):
You have to wait to see, but you know, Brian,
I'll come on your show and talk about it. What's
THEESTP goes through?

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
All right? You keep watching those Chinese vessels in the meantime, Mate,
I appreciate it. Judith Collins, thanks so much for your time.
The Defense Minister Juth Collins calling and just gone thirteen
minutes after six on News Talks. William Dan's next. The
rby and Z has been taking swipes at stats in
Z who are soon to be without a CEO. Was
only an acting CEO anyway. Anyway, he is going to

(01:13:39):
be gone soon. But they're under fire from the Reserved Bank.
Liam Dan will break it down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
It is sixteen minutes after six News Talks. There'd b
We'll get some of your texts in just a few seconds.
There's some really good ones coming in on China and
coming in on the interview with Judith Collins. Right now,
the Reserve Bank is taking issue with the quality and
also the quantity of stats New Zealand data. This has
come out of the Reserve Bank wash up yesterday. Liam
dan Is, The Herald's Business editor at large. He lium, Yeah, Ryan,

(01:14:26):
what's going on here?

Speaker 25 (01:14:27):
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean the Reserve Bank is being diplomatic.
They're not saying that it's a failing of the stats
in z basically you know that they still work out
and everything, but they're basically calling for more funding and
sort of more focus on the core economic data. So
they point to the big GDP revision late last year,
which effectively said the economy was in much better shape

(01:14:50):
over the period twenty twenty three than we thought as
one of the reasons for the misstep or u turn
or whatever that they didn't make the change in the
in the in the policy direction that that sort of
people picked up on between May and August. That there's
one of the reasons that they highlighted there. So this

(01:15:12):
came through yesterday and again in the Select Committee this morning.
They're saying our stats just aren't up for purpose. Really,
they're saying there's six months out of date and often mismeasured,
was the quote.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
But do other countries not operate on the similar numbers
because and it's they're not more high you know, the
high frequency data that they like to talk about from
lots of different sources in New Zealand that the central
banks should be looking also.

Speaker 25 (01:15:39):
Yeah, so they're saying they're having to look more closely
at the high frequency stuff, which is like your performance
and manufacturing and all this sort of stuff. But it's
it's the trouble that the more high frequency it is,
the less you know, absolute it is in terms of
giving us a good strong signals. And yeah, internationally they

(01:16:00):
get inflation data once a month and a lot of
places they get GDP once a month and they break
down the GDP and look, we're a small country, so
I suppose we don't have the resource, but we're also
a small country in terms of what we measure. And
when you think about how important this is, like if
there's a misalignment between the monetary policy based on understanding

(01:16:23):
where our economy is, it can cost billions of dollars,
as we've seen over the last few years. Now, I'm
putting aside the fact that a lot of people. There
are critics out there who will say that this sounds
like excuses or whatever from the restive bank. Regardless, I
think it's an area that you know, we can't lose.
And if the government doesn't have a lot of money
to do to look at the funding on this, perhaps

(01:16:45):
they should be looking at some of the prioritization of
where status puts its focus, because they have had a
number of years of sort of broadening their focus under
the previous government. Well being and things like that, looking
at a wide.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Range of nonsense. Well, yeah, look, I had a look.

Speaker 25 (01:17:00):
There isn't that much nonsense stuff, but there is a
lot of qualitative stuff, stuff that gives us a nice
breakdown of how inflation falls within different social groups and
different you know, all the different groupings. It's nice to
see that and it can help with policy setting for
inequality and all that sort of stuff. But really, at
the core, you know, we need to get the basics right,

(01:17:20):
and that's maybe where we're not leading the world like
we should be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Yeah. Interesting, surely there's some at one day and there'll
be an AI thing that will just take care of
it all.

Speaker 25 (01:17:30):
I can never decide whether I'm scared of the AI.
I just wanted to move faster and actually start getting it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
All right, m New Zealand Heill, Business Editor at Large,
Thanks so much for your time. Twenty after six year
on news Talk said the Jamie McKay's here next to
White because it's quite actually an amazing story. You know,
the New Zealand First Party and they're woke banking bill
that they the members bill that they announced what just
last week? Was it all the week before? It's already

(01:17:55):
been plucked from the ballot, the private member's bill. It's
targeting what the party calls woke banking practices. That has
been plucked from the ballot today. So we'll talk to
you Jamie about that next.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
The Rural Report on hither du for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Drive twenty three minutes after six. So the Financial Markets
Conduct of Institution's Amendment Bill has been plucked from the
ballot today. That is the New Zealand First Amendment bill
that would try and take on quote woke bank lending.
And Jamie McKay is with us, he's from the country
here on newstalk said be Hi, Jamie, gooday, Ryan, what

(01:18:34):
do you make I mean obviously that this is going
to be a huge issue for in concern for the
rural sector. Do you what are your thoughts on whether
it'll actually get past the line.

Speaker 11 (01:18:46):
Well, I don't know if we'll get past the line,
but I say good on Andy Foster, the former Wellington
there for chucking it in the This is the one
they pull out of the biscuit and Ryan is that
where it comes from? That's right, yep, yeah, yeah, so
it got pulled out afternoon.

Speaker 10 (01:19:00):
Yeh.

Speaker 11 (01:19:01):
Got on them because look, I've been on the case
of the banks as well. You can call them woke
banks or whatever, but they've been under huge pressure recently
for some of their more unpalatable lending practices. Federated Farmers,
to give them credit, have been leading the charge on
this one. They've been instrumental in securing the set selectivity
inquiry that's currently underway, and they quite rightly point out

(01:19:24):
that these woke banks, if you want to call them that,
setting different targets for Australian farmers than New Zealand farmers.
We've got all this nonsense about dbanking, petrol stations, rural
based petrol stations, or even some farmers if they don't
meet their emissions reduction targets. And it's worth remembering and

(01:19:46):
reiterating Ryan, the net zero banking alliance, that all the
big ossie banks belong to, the big banks in America
have all poured out of it, you know, the likes
the Bank of America, Goldman, Sachs, JP, Morgan, so Weather.
This is just another thing that will fall over under
the Trump regime around the world. Who knows. But all

(01:20:09):
I know is that the banks have had it too
good for too long. And I say, good on federated
farmers shoving it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Right up, fair enough, fair enough, I don't. I mean,
there are a whole bunch of reasons I think they
shouldn't do it, But I think regardless it's it won't
get much supportive. I mean, ziem first obviously back but
I can't see well obviously act won't and I can't
see him the end actually natural doing it either. But anyhow,
we'll see how it goes on in Parliament. The confidence
survey looking really strong.

Speaker 11 (01:20:35):
Jamie, Yeah, well that one came out yesterday. So but
I mean I could have written the confidence survey myself,
to be honest, Rine, from just my dialogue that I
talked to on a regular base. And while it's great,
I'm just trying to drag the numbers. Say, we've gone
from a deeply negative minus sixty six and that is
incredibly deeply negative in July twenty twenty four to a

(01:20:59):
net positive score of two percent. So that's a massive surge.
But you know, you've got to remember we're only we've
only got a net positive score of two percent, so
that's in terms of economic conditions. But look, to be
fair to the current government and the regime, the markets
have come to the party as well. Most of our
primary sector products are receiving good or in some cases

(01:21:22):
record prices, like the likes of the likes of beef,
fairy Kiwi fruits very very good. So you know, like
as I said this, I think the other day on
my show of Farmer's Confidence isn't up on this, it
never will be. The planets are aligning in twenty twenty
five for a pretty good farming year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Absolutely great news and good for all of us because
it reaches us eventually. Jamie, thank you. Jamie McKay hosted
the Country here on News Talks. Heb twenty six minutes
after six lots. Actually quite a few bills drawn today.
You had the alcohol Kera Macinalty's alcohol bill at Easter,
and then you have the Enabling Crown Entities to adopt

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Mardi Names Bill, which does what it says on the tin.
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Twenty five minutes away from seven. You're on News TALKSIB.
We had Greg Furan on the program earlier and I
just can't stop the text from people about in New Zealand.
This one says from juliusys Ryan. Literally, my all conto
christ Jets flight got canceled as you were interviewing Greg
four and we now have a four hour weight to
our connecting flights. Sorry, Julie, keep listening Ryan. Greg needs

(01:23:13):
to listen to his market. We're a small business. We
spent forty five thousand dollars on airfares and twenty twenty three.
But we have moved to Jetstar. We're spending twenty two
thousand dollars. It's just too expensive, said Juan. Yeah, I
can understand that I often fly Jetstar just because of
the price differential, and I just my experience, nothing based
on the numbers, although the numbers in terms of on

(01:23:35):
time performance for in New Zealand have been bad. But
I always find that if you get a jet Star flight,
it will more often than not leave on time. The
question is just whether it leaves it all like they're
more likely to be canceled completely, but if they do go,
they're always on time. That's my experience at Jetstar, twenty

(01:23:55):
four minutes away from seven Ryan Bridge. So James Cameron
was down at this event in Wellington last night. He
was a guest speaker for the lobby group Vision for Wellington.
It was meant to be the meeting focused on the
city and all the issues they're having and the fact
they can't fix their pipes, et cetera. But James Cameron
took the opportunity to talk about how important it is
for all of us to support the film subsidies that

(01:24:18):
we have in New Zealand now international film and TV
productions currently they can get about twenty percent of cash
rebate if they film right here. Iren Gardner's the president
of the Screen Producers in New Zealand. She's with me
Hi Irene Hi there. Good to have you on the show.
Do you know when I saw this, I thought, of
course James Cameron loves this. He just wants more money
out of the government.

Speaker 26 (01:24:36):
Well, yes and no. He does bring an awful lot
of money into New Zealand, so you know, I think
we have to give them credit for that. And that's
the thing with the rebate, and I think it's the
point James was trying to make, is that people kind
of think, oh, it's just you know, free money, it's
a grant, it's a giveaway, it's a subsidy, whatever. But
it is, in fact a percentage rebate. It's what happens

(01:24:59):
in the screen industry all around the world.

Speaker 24 (01:25:02):
And really for.

Speaker 26 (01:25:04):
Every dollar that goes back, we get about six into
the economy, back into the New Zealand economy and so
and in fact Avatar is probably at the higher end
of that. Their contribution to Wellington and New Zealand is incredible.
So I'm quite pleased that James was talking up the
rebate because he's right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Would the industry survive without it?

Speaker 26 (01:25:29):
No, No, it is absolutely the background backbone rather of
the New Zealand screen industry, and that goes for international
and domestic. For international, they just wouldn't come here without
it because they can get it in pretty much every
other territory and so even though we have wonderful scene
or any wonderful landscape, great cruise, they would not come

(01:25:50):
here without it and we would lose all of that
international money. But also for the domestic industry now that
things are extremely tough for local production because of years
of the streamers hoovering up advertising dollar. We'll not edvertising dollar,
but the eyes that we made advertising dollar off. A
lot of our producers are now having to work in

(01:26:12):
the co production area, you know, doing shows that screen
all around the world, and they tend to be the
rebate shows. So we would be really bereefed about it
for domestic these days because you know, everything is just
so tough in that area.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
There's a show on Netflix at the moment. I just
noticed it the other day actually, when I was flying
on that Jetstar Flight that I was talking about, and
it's a New Zealand show on Netflix based in Cai Coolder.
It's all based around it or after an earthquake. Do
you know the one that I'm talking about?

Speaker 26 (01:26:42):
I do know the way and it's called Friends Like Her.

Speaker 24 (01:26:44):
Yes, it's a great little well.

Speaker 26 (01:26:47):
It's interesting actually because we've had a bit of a
beef with Netflix and that you know, they set up
an office a while back called you know, Netflix Australia,
New Zealand, but they actually never commissioning anything out of
New Zealand. But that's an acquisition, it's not a commission.
It's a show that was actually made for three here,
but they've now bought it and it's screening on Netflix.

(01:27:08):
So that's a little foot in the door, which is
good because Netflix has been using New Zealand as a
location for international productions and now they're starting to buy
a few existing shows. So we really hope that the
next step is that they would actually commission some shows
from New Zealand production houses.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
What would they pass for a show like that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Do you know?

Speaker 26 (01:27:29):
I don't know, because it'll be different from show to show,
but to be honest, it's not terribly much when they
just buy it late in the piece as an acquisition.
Where the real money is is when people invest in
the show at the front end. You know, they commission it,
they put money in it. It might be a bunch
of different production companies. All of that money comes into
New Zealand and it may have some New Zealand funding

(01:27:51):
as well. And then of course it gets the rebate
percentage taken out, which is hugely helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
If they see this, you know one that they've a
it does well on the streaming platform. I mean, is
that how you start to build a relationship with them
to say, hey, some of our content might actually do
well on your platform. Maybe you should start to go
from the ground up here.

Speaker 26 (01:28:13):
I think so, and I really hope so. And that's
a great show. And we've had a few factual shows
on there as well which have been good little shows
like Casketeers and Down for Love and things like that.
And then to see Friends like Her, which is a
really good drama. It can only be good. You know
that one thing leads to another, because I think we
do still suffer a little bit because not so much

(01:28:35):
in factual because it's a bit more level playing for
it field, but in drama and comedy, where New Zealand's
budgets haven't quite been so high as the world, I
think there is perhaps a perception, oh, can they do it?
And of course now that we've got more into the
co production world, which that show is, you know, you
get shows like After the Party going all around the
world and The Gone and you know, Far North and

(01:28:58):
things like that. So I think we are proving that
we can do it and it's just getting them to
understand that and take a punt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Really interesting stuff. Iren, thank you very much for that
Iron Gardener, the Sparta present. That's the present of these
screen producers in New Zealand, just gone nineteen minutes away
from seven. All off the back of James Cameron and
his comments in Wellington yesterday. I know a lot of
people don't like James Cameron and whiteed Upper because he's
you know, he does like the green farming and they're
obviously a primary industries area, rural area, a lot of

(01:29:29):
farming going on there and a lot of people just
think bag her off back over the hill, over the room,
attuck as you go. But that's where he was last
night talking about the fact they need these film rebates
eighteen minutes away from seven here on News Talks B,
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Sixteen to seven on News TALKSB. So Trump calls Zelenski
a dick, and now Starma is calling Zelensky for apparently
some advice in the Brady's at UK Correspondent in the
Good Evening.

Speaker 12 (01:30:09):
Yeah, reassurance I think was the main kind of effect
that the Downing Street wanted last night from that phone call.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
So Starmer got on.

Speaker 12 (01:30:18):
The phone, spoke to Zelenski. They get on. They have
a good relationship. And this is all because of what
Trump said. As ever, lately, whatever happens in the world,
he has an opinion, and the feeling here is that
he's very wrong. So the reason Trump called Zelenski a
dictator is because he suspended elections, brought in martial law.
His term in office was due to finish in May

(01:30:40):
of last year. There should have been presidential elections in Ukraine.
And Trump is making out that he's a dictator because
of that. Here in the UK, people are pointing out, well,
world War two, what the Winston Churchill do? He suspended
elections until after the war was finished, and of course,
famously Churchill then lost that election. The Russians are rubbing

(01:31:01):
their hands with glee at the prospect of them enforcing
elections in Ukraine because what they're trying to do is
get Zelenski out. They haven't managed to kill him in
the last three years, so what they're hoping is that
some pro Kremlin puppet will somehow engineer a win in
Ukrainian elections at some point this year. If there is
a peace plan, Starmer is going to get on a

(01:31:23):
plane next week to Washington.

Speaker 11 (01:31:24):
D C.

Speaker 12 (01:31:25):
And see Trump face to face. And it does look
like the UK Prime Minister is stepping up now as
the statesman of Europe to try and get involved here
and make sure Ukraine does not go down the pan.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Does he have the experience to do then, well, that's
a very good question.

Speaker 12 (01:31:42):
But look, given that we had Liz Trust run this
country for six weeks and we had the circus with
Boris Johnson, I would say Starmer is our best bet.
And as much as a lot of people won't like
hearing that. He's a very serious man and these are
serious times. But in all honesty, I mean it's a
pretty bar here in the UK the last few years.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
A huge sinkhold. Tell us about this. This is Neil, London,
a village and it's head to lead to some evacuations
of homes because of these sink all so big.

Speaker 12 (01:32:12):
Yeah, and another one has now appeared beside it on
the same stretch of road. It's on the main street
through a place called Godstone now is in the county
of Surrey, just south of London.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Why is it important.

Speaker 12 (01:32:24):
It is a main kind of cut through to get
on the M twenty five motorway, so literally thousands of
motorists would have gone through the village of Godston most days.
Local residents are saying this is part of the problem,
big heavy lorries using their village as a cut through.
What's actually going on is it's built on chalkstone and

(01:32:44):
there were mines in the area years ago. There are
caves in the area and clearly subsidence has happened, so
imagine you can see the pictures online. It is absolutely shocking.
The first sinkhole is twenty meters long, and the end
result is emergency services called in, people evacuated, and local
workmen telling reporters that this job is not days, not weeks,

(01:33:06):
it is months and thirty families have had to leave
their family homes just like that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Goodness. Are they flats like next to each other or
are they stand alone homes in the sweet village?

Speaker 12 (01:33:18):
They look to be standalone semi loan properties. It's an
expensive area. But you know, basically people have been.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Told gold to a hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
There is no support.

Speaker 12 (01:33:29):
Locals are saying some people have gone to friends. I
guess you find out who your friends are is you've
got to move house in space of ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Hey, Jim Redler's this is a reckless sorry. This is
the guy that's running in the Austin and owns Anios
rather and is having a bit of a running with
our New Zealand rugby union. So Men's History United, which
he owns too. They've got some financial results that aren't
great for the last quarter.

Speaker 12 (01:33:54):
This is really interesting. So this now paints us the
picture as to why he's pulled out with NZ Rugby,
why he's pulled out of the America's Cup with Ben
Engsley lots of other projects as well. I see a
sponsorship deal with Tottenham Hotspur wenty yesterday in the Premier League.
Right the last three months of last year Manchester United
lost is Manchester United. They lost fifty four million en

(01:34:18):
Zed dollars. Now included in that was a payoff for
the outgoing manager who got sacked, the Dutch guy Eric
ten Hagen, his coaches and also a guy called Dan
Ashworth who was brought in much fanfare as sporting director.
He lasted less than six months. Getting rid of the
two of them and all the coaches cost somewhere in
the region of twenty nine million en Z. And on

(01:34:40):
top of that, loans from the Glazer family that they
engineered in the last nineteen and a half years have
now topped. This is the interest on the loans. Manchester
United have paid two billion en Zed dollars and it's
clear Raptliffe sat down and thought this has to stop.
We need to shore ups money somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Goodness me, that does help to actually explain the situation
that we find ourselves in here at the bottom of
the world. End to thank you for that, end of
Brady are UK correspondent with us. It has just gone
ten minutes away from seven. I think it was eight
million dollars a year from just off the top of
my head. The Ineos contract that ends at our had
so for them over at Manchester United. To lose fifty
four million dollars in the space of three months would

(01:35:25):
explain maybe why his appetite for sporting endeavors might be waning.
News Talks EDB ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
News Talks VB. It is eight minutes away from seven.
There's a really interesting legal case over in the US.
It's an embryo error at a birthing clinic. This is
in Georgia in the United States. So there's a woman
by the name of Christina Murray. She used IVF to
have a baby. She's thirty eight years old, right, so
she's nearing, you know, the end of her period where

(01:36:02):
she can have a baby. The cock is ticking, everything's great.
She gives birth to a beautiful baby boy. Only problem
was that he was African American. She's white. Now, obviously
nothing wrong with the fact that it was anaphrit American baby,
but clearly not hers. She used a white sperm donor.

(01:36:23):
She gives birth to a black baby, so turns out
obviously not her baby. Child's biological parents have been found.
They have now taken custody of the baby. She had
the boy for a few months in her care and
obviously formed a bit of a bond with him, then

(01:36:45):
has to hand him over, which she did so willingly.
You know she did, you know, did it voluntarily. She's
now sewing obviously because it's America and it's an IVF clinic,
so she is suing the clinic for all that it's worth.
Only mix ups happen. They're not uncommon in the United States.
In California, there was a case of two women who

(01:37:06):
gave birth to each other's babies and then had to swap.
I mean, honestly, if you have to get this right, people,
and it's not something you want to screw up because
that poor woman, think of it, thirty eight years old,
carries the baby full term, has the baby, thinking this

(01:37:28):
is the start of a new life with her child,
and then not only is it not hers, but she
can't keep it. That's brutal. She'll probably get knowing it's
America lots and lots of money, but that's probably small recompense.
Six minutes away from seven, I'll take you to England
now with the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Immediately boring,

(01:37:51):
but anyway, it gets better. They have put out a
press release they want their dancers to stop using terms
like ladies and gentlemen for fear of offending minority genders.
Now this is interesting because barn dancers, which they do,
have defined male and female roles and the caller has
to say, you know, man, woman, etc. It's quite important

(01:38:16):
in this particular dancing community. What they want them to
do instead is just define people by the colors that
they're wearing, so you would say, hey, person in the
purple or person in the orange, can you please do this?
As opposed to men, I mean, how is it? How
practical is that if you've got a group of people
and you're trying to corral them and you need the

(01:38:37):
men to do something or the women to do something. Honestly,
just sounds like an absolute nightmare. Coming up to four
minutes away from seven and it's what are we going
out to tonight?

Speaker 19 (01:38:48):
Telephone by Lady Gaga and Beyonce to play us out.
So Lady Gago's got her new album out, so she's
doing the press circuit and everything. So Vanity Fair did
something quite clever. Actually, they did a lie detector interview
where they hooked up to a light at tea the
test and just ask her a bunch of stuff, you know,
just to see whether anything pinged. So one of the
questions was will there be a sequel to the song?

(01:39:08):
Came out a long time ago. Lady Gaga and Beyonce
haven't collabed since then, so will there be one? So
she said maybe, which I think is cheating. She said yes.
But then when I asked, will Beyonce be involved? She
said maybe, which you know, I think she's found a way.

Speaker 10 (01:39:24):
Around that one.

Speaker 19 (01:39:26):
But when asked, is the only reason you haven't done
one because of scheduling conflicts with Beyonce? She said no,
So a bit more of a clear answer on that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Okay, it's a good song. It's a really good song. Thanksance,
Thanks everyone, say tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
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