Full Show Podcast: 20 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story boring.
It's Heather Duplicy ELM Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going
to speak to the Leader of the House, Chris Bishop
on that delay in the Marty Party debate. Acc is
pausing its forty five million dollar sexual abuse initiative. We'll
speak to the minister and are we seeing the end
of the Gull effect on petrol prices? The AA on
that later on Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, that ended up

(00:37):
being a visit, didn't it.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
I mean, wow, here we were We're expecting this big
debate over the Marty Party punishments to drag on for days,
if not weeks, and overshadow the budget, and the blinking
thing didn't even last an hour got postponed to next month.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
What happened was actually, in retrospect, very simple and very obvious.
Just to move from the government came to the government's
turn to talk about it up Pops Chris Bishop, Leader
of the House, Hey, I it gets postponed and guess what,
it gets postponed because the government has the majority in
the House, so they simply voted for that and there
we go, clear air for the budget. Most relieved, I
would say, would be the government because it means, of

(01:12):
course that they do get they do get clear clear
air for the budget on Thursday. Most bummed out, I
would imagine, would be the Maori Party, who'd even gone
to the effort of organizing a protest on the full
Court of Parliament. So basically what's happened is we'll put
the bed to the thing to bed for a few
weeks because of a checkmate move from Chris Bishop. But

(01:35):
while we've got this pause, can I just make an observation,
which is that it is quite remarkable how quickly this
has gone from being a thing about the deliberate flouting
of rules consistently by a party doing it as part
of a pr strategy, to being a thing about the
National led government using parliamentary process to banish MPs they
don't like, thereby turning us into a quote that are

(01:55):
in a republic. This is the kind of reportage that
I'm reading at the moment. Suspending to party Mardi MP's
threatens democracy. It is a drastic step that looks on
the face of it undemocratic. Those are two different articles.
By the way, it seems to be a theme that's emerging.
But hang on a minute here, because it is going
to take me. It's going to take a lot to
convince me that this is the case of a heavy

(02:16):
handed government silencing innocent dissent. Because I haven't forgotten how
we got here. I haven't forgotten that the Maori Party
planned to disrupt Parliament that day. They planned to disrupt
it that day and then they carried out that plan.
I haven't forgotten that Debingardi were pack appointed her fingers
in the shape of a gun at another MP, that
the Mahordi Party refused to turn up to the Privileges

(02:37):
Committee when they were asked to, and when Thure supposed
to that the Mahori Party refused to apologize, and except
they've done anything wrong, that the Maori Party then leaked
to the recommendations of the Privileges Committee, which is against
the rules, and that the Mardi Party co leaders have
said that they will do this again, most likely with
the Regulatory Standards Bill. I haven't forgotten any of that stuff,

(02:59):
and has remarked remarkable to me how quickly people want
to turn this into a bad government story instead of
a bad opposition story story. And it's also remarkable to
me how quickly people have forgotten what this party did
to end up here today.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Forget do for see Ellen, Welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
To away in nine two nine two is the text
number standard texts fees applied. As I said, Chris Bishop
will be with us after five o'clock. Now, if you
listen to this show on the regular, you will know
that I think that the green bins need to be axed.
You know the ones I'm talking about, the little green
bins a you're supposed to put your food scraps in,
and particularly they need to be axed in Auckland. Good news,
So does the Auckland Ratepayers Alliance, who've launched a campaign

(03:38):
to get rid of them. Sam Warren is a spokesperson
with US.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Now, Hey Sam, hi, Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I'm very well? Thank you? Now why do you think
they need to be gone? And why do you care
about it enough to launch a campaign?

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Look at this rate I don't know whether to laugh
or cry. The more we dig into it, the more
it doesn't make sense. Economically. Auckland Council spends about thirty
six million dollars a year on the program. That's a lot,
and only of Auckland is actually use it. And even
that number seems high. There's no opt out function, And
particularly for households that compost their own waste, you know
they don't use it, why should they pay for it?

(04:10):
But secondly, it doesn't actually stack up from an environmental point.
The amount we're spending on the carbon reduction far less
could be spent just through ETS credits or planting trees.
So it makes no sense either way. You shake it,
we say enough because because.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
What you could do right, Because at the moment, the
carbon cost, the cost for every unit of carbon that
we save by chucking it in little green bins and
then chucking it in the back of the truck, then
taking it to somewhere, then putting it on trucks to
reperoi and blah blah blah, is costing us about fourteen
hundred dollars per carbon unit. Right when we could go
to the ETS, we could pay fifty dollars, and then
what we could do sam is we could take the

(04:46):
remaining thirteen hundred and fifty dollars and we could spend
it on planting trees, and we would actually be doing
better for the environment, wouldn't we than what we're doing
right now?

Speaker 6 (04:54):
You would? So look, I can only suspect council have
wanted to be seen to be doing something. They want
to be green, and it's actually not what's happened. It's
bad planning and rate payers deserve a lot better. I
reckon too.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Right now, what is this business about the three million
dollars on comms and advertising? What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (05:13):
I did think to ask counsel how much they've spent
promoting the program. It's actually through million and two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars, I should say. So that includes,
you know, six hundred thousand for an agency to make
their concepts and everything, one point four million on paid
media all sorts. And can I just remind you only
a third of Aucklander's even used the bend.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
And the thing is, there's some context for me, though, Sam,
because you know PR is not cheap. I mean you
have to pay something for us. So is that an
excessive spend?

Speaker 6 (05:42):
Well, it's excessive because this whole program shouldn't exist in
the first place. A feasibility studies should have counted all
the carbon and all of you know, they should have
known it doesn't work. And councils up and down the
country are actually switching on to the fact that it
doesn't make sense. Fung a new Eat, for example, pulled
out of it, and we want Auckland to do just
the same.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
What's the population of Auckland? Is it one point five
or one point two million?

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Oh? I think it's towards one point six these days.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Is it okay? So let's just go one point five
for ease. Right, So if a third of us are
using that's five hundred thousand of us.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
It means that they are spending what's six dollars for
each of those people to get them to use the
green bins, just in advertising and pr That's a dumb spend,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Look I'd say, so we need smarter spending and I
really think a bit more accountability.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Now have you heard because somebody emailed me and said
to me that eighty percent of water is going to
eperore and those trucks is actually water? Is that true?

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
A few people have reached out with the same number
from what I can gather. Yes, So that's a lot
of way.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
How is the recursor?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Well, I mean these are food scraps. Obviously, it's a
lot of water material inside it, and you'd think you'd
squeeze that all out before shipping all that weight two
hundred kilometers out of town down to Eperol't.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
You just like that's what you do, isn't it? When
you know when you're filling up your little truck buckets
at the sea and stuff, you just open the trail,
let the water out. Why wouldn't they just let a
bit of water out?

Speaker 6 (07:01):
And then would say that Heather? But I think you're
giving counsel too much credit right now.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
This is unbelievable. Okay, so listen, how committed to you
to getting rid of these bins? I'm at about a
solid seven out of ten? Can you?

Speaker 7 (07:15):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Ten?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Right?

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Look at the very least I want to see the
ability to opt out if you want to pay for it.
I don't know why you would, by all means have
that option, But other people not using it shouldn't have
to pay for it. Yeah, that's as simple as that.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Sam. Your reputation now relies on you have got to
get rid of these bins. For the Auckland rate, Payers
Alliance's reputation. Okay, I'll do my best heaven and for
mine as it would transpire. Thank you, Sam. I appreciate it, right,
Sam and I are in the team on this one,
Sam warren Auckland rate Payers Alliance. Those bins are gone, Heather.
I had the popcorn ready to watch the entertaining clown
Show on Parliament TV. I need to find it's being postponed. Ben,

(07:53):
I was, you know what, I was settling in for it.
What happened is I was settling in for it, so
started watching A Chippy got boring, didn't he? He was
like a really really long opening act and I was
like like at the start, I was like, yep, go Chippy,
go go go go good. Oh, now you're boring because
he was trying to suck up time because he's clearly
Philly bustering, isn't he, Chippy? I can see what you
were up to. He said he wasn't gonna filibuster, but

(08:14):
he is. So then I was like, oh, boring. So
I muted it and I made a really important work
phone call that I had to do, so I was multitasking,
and while I was on the phone call, all of
a sudden they just started. I just saw it happen
and I hung up, and it was too late, and
I missed all the drama. And I was gutted because
I was just settling in for it like you. Sixteen
past four.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
It's the Heather Duper. See Allan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
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Speaker 3 (08:42):
Darcy water Grave, sports talk hosters with me, Hey, Dars,
you ain't mad, okay, sunny Bill Williams is fighting who
Paul Gallon?

Speaker 8 (08:49):
Paul Gallen know the league player and in Sonny Bill's
ex league player. And they've been negotiating this since I
think I Noah was, you know, just building toy. This
is a little fella out of wood, a little bit
that long. It's insane. They finally got the deal done,
apparently a million bucks each. It's fifty to fifty. No
one's getting more than the other. And Paul Gallan didn't

(09:12):
turn up to the press conference after all of this time.
Why well, sunny Bill Williams is going to tell us now?

Speaker 4 (09:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (09:20):
I just said it as him not being the east Side,
not been the main character.

Speaker 10 (09:23):
He didn't like that at all.

Speaker 11 (09:26):
I don't know, but I'm just going to enjoy this journey.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know, but I think it's the main character.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
But I don't know. I don't know. Look, eight two
minutes round probably right now, eighty two minute rounds. They're
thirty nine forty three something like this. So with no
respect whatsoever, you're not getting my money and no way.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
On paying tune into that.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
No, eight two minute rounds. This is like the Jake
Paul Tyson fiesco in recent time.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Like hugely successful for Netflix.

Speaker 8 (09:56):
It probably was. No, I think it was, yeah, probably,
but it was still a scam. I think they'll fight
better this time when you look at the scraps they've had.
I think Gallan's got the upper hand of the bigger
fists because he's got a better history. The people that
he's fought can actually fight back at Sanny Bill's history. Look,
he's done well, he picked up a New Zealand belt,
but he hasn't really thought anyone of note, whereas Gallon

(10:18):
actually has. And I think of it came to a
street fight or the switchblade or a broken bottle, you'd
run with Gallon every time he's got to put.

Speaker 11 (10:27):
It out on the ring.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Though, Mang right's in the ring.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Other they're going out in alleyway.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
What are they doing with the gloves on and stuff?
Who do you think wins?

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Paul Gallon's still okay, right, I think he says is sterner.

Speaker 12 (10:40):
Well, Ricky Rictelli's leaving.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
You need to make some dollars.

Speaker 8 (10:43):
Yeah, was affable, young man young. He's thirty years old now,
which is still prime for a hooker. Let's not get
that one wrong. But I think that he was overlooked
for All Black representation a couple of times, and there
was an injury crisis. They didn't lean on for the
All Black fifteen anyway. Then he's been playing well. His
partner plays tennis. It wouldn't mind expanding a bit in Europe.

(11:07):
It was an offer made to him and he went,
you know what, jacks and balances, let's do this. I'm
gonna make a hold of money there. I'm probably never
going to be an All Black. Does that really matter? No,
it doesn't. I'm a professional rugby player and I'm going
to go. I'm playing an incredible place in France, great rugby,
and he could spend four or five six years over there,
make himself an absolute packet and cruising around in the

(11:28):
French sun and pretending he's Picasso.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
How good.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
That's a France doesn't flood because it's only a matter
of time before the Holy Europe sinks.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Right.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
But look, he's going to join us on the show tonight.
I don't know, I asked, I'm just like hungry and Ricky.
Riccattelli joins us on the show tonight. On the piece,
I'm going to talk to Michael Witt tonight. Do you
remember Michael Witt. Michael Watt is an ex player for
the Warriors and he was there back in the healthy

(11:56):
in days two eight to night. Remember against the Melbourne
Storm when the guy got the ball and stood up
instead of corring a try and just turn around and
looked roundy when they beat Melbourne out of nowhere. That's Michael. Wait,
and he's going to join us to talk about who
derails the Warrior is now? This is getting ridiculous. They
can't get beaten.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yes, it's mental. How good? Okay, Darcy, thank you, Darcy Watergrove.
Sports Stalk Coast will be back at seven this.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Evening, moving the big stories of the day forward. It's
Heather Duplicy on Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected news talk sa'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
You're missing a major point. Luxon said National would not compromise.
The Speaker also said he was concerned that a minor
Hearty would be excluded from the budget to debate. So
it's a very clever and yet magnanimous move by National.
Zero surprise Hipkins could not see that and went for
a cheap job. Actually that is a fair point, because
what happened is that the speaker's argument, well, I don't
know if he actually said this explicitly, but he inferred

(12:52):
that he was worried that a minor party would then
be excluded from something as important as the budget debate.
And then when Chippy jumped up was the first speaker,
he said, I don't think I think the Marty Party
should be allowed to be here for the budget debate.
And then Chris Hapkins jumped up and said, all right,
let's let's defer it until next month, which means the
Marty Party could be here for the budget debate, and

(13:13):
Chippy went, I vote against that. Oh yeah, okay, there's
a little bit of the old Court on the hop
just opposing everything type move here anyway, we'll talk to
Chris Bishop about it, and also Jason Wall's political editor
editor when he'll be with us in twenty minutes time.
It's full twenty five now. Winston Peter's got heckled today.
He was making because he had a big budget announcement.

(13:35):
He had some millions of dollars that he was throwing
at rail and he announced it at the Wellington railway
station and he was halfway. He was just standing there.
And this is the risk when you just stand there
and amongst the people, that the people are going to
have a say. And so Chap walks up, Winston's talking,
Chap walks up, starts heckling. He says, load of bollocks, Winston.
And Winston says, what you look like, bollocks. This is,

(14:01):
without a word of a lie verbatim how it went down,
Load of bollocks, Winston, what you look like bollocks? Go
look in the mirror, sunshine, and the guy goes, don't
call me sunshine, and Winston said, naf off. And the
guy said you're a dossa. And Winston said naf off.
And the guy said, what are you naf off? Honestly,
the batim, Yeah, look at you, said Winston. And the

(14:23):
guy said, oh, you're eighty years old now. And Winston said, oh,
is this an age thing?

Speaker 12 (14:29):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
And the guy said, no, one wants to see you.
And Winston said, you look older than I do. And
he said to Winston, you're an idiot. I'm more on
And Winston said, you look older than I do, mate,
And then the guy said, you bloody lick Trump's bumhole.
Get out of here. And then Winston said ha ha,
And then the guy said get out of here. And

(14:51):
then Winston said, you get lost. That's actually what happened.
I know you're like nice, made that up. I swear
to God that is how it went down. These men,
both of them are the boomers that they are. Of
them anyway, naughty step for both of them. Do you agree? Absolutely?

(15:14):
If Mummy was there, I'd be like, I'm separating the
two of you. Winston. You go sit on the train
because it's where you like to go. And you go
in the shop and sit down, have some time out headline.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Steps, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 10 (15:39):
They'd be if this whirl were mud.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Ramon or seven.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
If if there's rolls amusing Heather read the green bins
where you asleep at school, everything is mostly water, humans, vegetables, meat, food.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
That's fine, Bill, I know that I wasn't actually that asleep.
But surely if you go listen, surely if you're going
to put all the green stuff, there's food scraps in
the back of the bin the truck, and then you're
gonna take it all down to reperoi. If eighty percent
of what's in there is water, you're gonna let the
did you were you asleep build during the bit in

(16:19):
class in science class where you learned about like volume
and how if you remove some volume you can replace
it with other volume. Because my argument is simply just
get a little hose, just sh all that water as
it decomposes. Just get rid of that, get rid of it.
You don't need that. You don't need to take that
to Repaioa. They've got water and Repioa. It's New Zealand
got lots of water. So let that dirty water as

(16:40):
a bit stinky, get rid of it. And then guess
what when eighty percent of it is out because it's water.
You can put more food scraps in, can't you. I mean,
who thinks it's a good idea to ship water to REPAIOA.
That's nuts, isn't it. Anyway, We'll talk about that later
on with a huddle, because I am not going to
let up any opportunity to just run these green bins
down until we get rid of them. Deal with politics

(17:01):
very shortly and murri Old's out of Australia soon twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Australia's coalition has split. The National Party has announced it
will not sign an agreement with the Liberal Party for
this parliamentary term. Here's the Nationals leader, David littlproud.

Speaker 10 (17:18):
This is a principal position.

Speaker 13 (17:20):
We come here not wanting to have to scrap over
every last crumb, but to make sure that we get
what we deserve, what is fair, and this is on principle.
It might seem foreign to many in Canberra, but this
is a principal position my party, ransell.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
And what a novel idea. Donald Trump has called for
direct Russia Ukraine talks to end the war that'll do it.
After a long phone call with lad he said the
US will distance itself from negotiations if there's no progress soon.
Something we've not heard before.

Speaker 10 (17:50):
Big egos involved.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
I tell you, big egos involved.

Speaker 12 (17:54):
But I think something's going to happen, and if it doesn't,
I just back away and they're going to have to
keep going up.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
And finally, right, who is on the store? A marble
bust of Jim Morrison, who's the lead singer of The Doors,
has been found nearly forty years after it went missing.
So it was put at Morrison's grave in Paris in
nineteen eighty one, but then in nineteen eighty eight just
vanished and no one's had any idea where it has
ever since. So it was a little bit of a
shock for Paris police when they found the bust when
they were doing a search as part of a fraud

(18:20):
investigation just in they're looking for some fraud stuff. Found
the bust. It's unclear whether it will be going back
to his grave.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
For New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Murray Old's Ossie correspondents for Basse Muz there ay a
good afternoon here, Thanky, So what's going on with the Nationals.

Speaker 14 (18:39):
Well, that's a bit of the case of the tail
wagging the dog. I mean the last election they were flogged,
not the Nationals per se. The Nationals in fact hung
onder their nine seats. But when I explained that, the Liberals,
even though they were absolutely creamed by Labor, they've still
got in the low thirties. So it's very much the
tail wagging the dog, or attempting to here after every election.

(19:04):
The coalition agreement which has survived in its current form,
I think since the Second World War. It's been around
for about one hundred years. They've had a couple of
three breakups previously. So after the election shellacking, the deal
that holds them together was to be renegotiated. Well, David
little proud, he said, well, hang on a second, we've
hung under all our seats, you clouds. The Liberal Party

(19:26):
have lost so many. Labour's got ninety three seats in
the House, the Coalition forty three. It's a fifty seat margin.
So anyway, the Nationals went end of the talks with
Susan Lee, who is the new Liberal leader of course,
the first female Liberal leader, and they said, well, I have.
I guess what we've done pretty well. We want more
representation on the Shadow ministry front bench. We want some

(19:49):
of our policies to be drafted in as coalition policy, namely,
for example, met zero, scrap that by twenty fifty. And
by the way, we really love nuclear reactors. Well, Susan
Lee said, excuse me, there's the door. Don't let it
bang on the bum on the way out. So David
little browd stood up there like a bantam rooster going
cluck cluck, cluck, cluck cluck. I mean, he's just there.

(20:11):
He's been plucked, he's got no feathers to fly with,
and he's got his bully bully boys and girls behind him.
It's just a farce. It's a complete fast. I think
both sides are forgetting that neither can govern without the other.
I mean that's just the bald facts of political life
over here. So the sooner they get back in bed,
the better.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
How do you see what the RBA has done, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (20:32):
They have. It's the below US has been now the
official cash rate in Australia for two years, since May
twenty twenty three. It's the second cup this year by
the Reserve Bank of Australia. The cash rate now the
official interest rate in the country is now three point
eight five percent. Every economist was tipping it was going
to be exactly that. Very welcome news obviously for Australian

(20:52):
mortgage holders and for the government which wants to get
the economy moving along while keeping a decent a tight
rein on inflation. There are factors that play as well
that would have been factored in by the Reserve Bank
and the governor. You've got things, you know, the American
China uphevial, what's you know, the global trade situation, what's

(21:13):
that going to be like? And they're also the interest
rate on ten year government debt in the United States
that's rising four percent a minute ago now four and
a half. How is that going to impact world trade
and the world economy. So there are many many balls
up in the air over here, but suffice to say
it's a modest cup. If you've got a standard mortgage
and great optics for the.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Government, How stokes do you reckon elbow? Is that the
Pope has blessed as.

Speaker 14 (21:36):
Beads only a lot those that rosary belonged to his mum.
Oh is it and oh yeah, and I mean his mum,
Mary Anne, a lifetime Catholic, very devout. I'm I'm sure
young Elbow was all that devout. He was raised by
his mom, as we all know, in a government in
a state, a state government flat in Sydney, and for

(21:57):
him to be there not only the papal the first
papal mass with Pope Leo, but then to be granted
a private audience that wasn't given to every world leader,
and then to have the hutzpah or you know, the
humility to say, listen, while I'm with you, these are
my mum's rosary beads. Would you bless them for me?

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Please?

Speaker 14 (22:16):
And the Pope, being the good sort of guy that
he is, he said, of course, and so he's blessed them.
So I'm sure Anthony Eldenezy, the Australian Prime Minister, is
very very happy.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Indeed, I bet he's absolutely thrilled. He thank you mothers always.
It's Murray Old's our Australia correspondent. Now, for the longest time,
the cheapest petrol in New Zealand has been at gull
In Asiamuri. That's if you wanted to go and get
yourself real cheap petrol. You went there, you went to Gull.

(22:44):
Now apparently it is no longer the cheapest petrol in
the country. That place is now you go in Waikaraka,
waik Iaka in Auckland. Now, first of all, didn't know
that there's such a thing as you go, So that's
something that you learned today. But you'll that you go
and why Korak is the place you need to go to. Anyway,
it turns out this is not just I'll go there

(23:05):
instead of their kind of piece of information. It is
also a piece of information about the fact that Goal.
We talked about the gal effect and how if Goal
moved into a place, everybody else's petrol prices came down
to match. There's no such thing as the Gull effect anymore.
It has lost that what's going on. Terry Collins of
the AA is going to be with us in about
half an hour and explain it to us. Seventeen away from.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
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Speaker 3 (23:28):
Jason Wall's political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason, good afternoon.
That was a fizzle, wasn't it.

Speaker 15 (23:33):
Well, I don't think it was I was surprising, but
it was still like interestingly interesting enough for it to
be not a fizzer in my book, a fizzer and
in the sense that we didn't have an agreement, but
what we did have was just confusion out of everywhere
in the house and it kind of came out of
nowhere when Chris Bishop said this.

Speaker 16 (23:51):
Horrible Chris Bishop, I moved that this debate be now
a June to Thursday, five June twenty twenty five.

Speaker 15 (23:57):
So we were taking a bit back by this because
we've been talking to national MPs and ministers all day
right on Tuesday. We have ample opportunity to talk to
all of them, and this has been the talk of
the town. Not one of them even hinted that this
would be the move. And you can actually hear the
shock in the background from the lakes of Chris Hepkins
and other members of the opposition. And it was remarkable

(24:21):
to watch because there was no public gallery. The press
gallery was the fullest I've seen it since probably John
Keyes Valedictory, and we all kind of looked around and thought,
what is going on here? Even the speaker was caught
a bit off.

Speaker 17 (24:34):
God, well, I will see some degree of specififty about
the reason for the view Gureman the motion.

Speaker 16 (24:42):
Mister Speaker, the government has come to the view that
given the centrality of the budget process to Parliament, it
would be appropriate for the party mary members who may
or may not be suspended following the conclusion of the
consideration of the substantive motion, to participate in the budget.

Speaker 15 (25:03):
So now we have to wait until June fifth, and
that's after the budget, of course. And you know what
I mean, Looking at this objectively, right, it does make sense,
like I agree with what's happened. The budget is extremely important.
It makes sense that the government is using its time
this week to talk about that. But it was still
really came out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Did Chris Hopkins and the Labor Party vote against the adjournment?

Speaker 15 (25:27):
They did, And I was just speaking to Chris Hopkins,
he was in the Gallery office not too long ago,
about this issue, and essentially he was saying, well, it
was such a like it was a circus, I think
was the word that he used in terms of nobody
knew what was going on. But here's what he told
reporters after this whole thing went down in the House.

Speaker 18 (25:44):
Moving these allegations against the Marti Party, and they're not
even allowing them the opportunity to speak or defend themselves.
Doing that without warning. Had they approached us this morning
and said, look, we wanted to furthest debate, we want
to put it off till later on, we would have
been open to having that conversation. We've been trying to
talk to them for the last forty eight hours. They
have any bothered to return phone calls, and then they
do this. They just look like they're out of their depth.
I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 15 (26:04):
So if they've gone to the opposition beforehand and talk
them through with this, then no doubt that they would
have supported it, because if you look at it objectively,
it would make sense for the opposition to vote for
this because this is essentially what many of them have
been arguing this whole time.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Exactly, which is why I'm asking. So he gets up,
this is Chris Hopkins gets up and says, we don't
want them to be punished like this because we think
they need to participate in the budget. Chris Hipkins, Chris
Chris Bishop gets up and goes, Okay, let's defer it
so they can participate in the budget, and then Chris
Hopkins goes, no, we don't support that. I mean, like,
what is your position? Well, it seems to me he's

(26:39):
just being contrary and opposing anything that the government wants
to do.

Speaker 15 (26:43):
It has been incredibly confusing to kind of pin down
their position, but it seems to be just because of
the confusion, and they frankly not really know what was
actually going on. I mean, it was that even the
speaker you heard before was having a little bit It
appeared to be the speaker was how did you know
of trouble?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
How did nobody and I include myself and this, How
did none of us think that this was probably this is,
in retrospect, such an obvious thing for the government to do.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
Oh no, we did.

Speaker 15 (27:07):
We were asking them as early as this morning if
this is something that they were going to do, and
there was just so noncommittal in terms of their answers
to these questions that we have that we just didn't
even concede that this would be an issue. Like we
were asking these questions because we thought, hang on a second,
why don't you just defer the debate? And so I
don't know what happened in their caucus meeting this morning.
We know that Labor softened its position. Labor Chris Hepkins

(27:30):
was saying that they were going to move a motion
for the suspension to be one to three days, and
then in the House Chris Hepkins was talking about it
being for twenty four hours. So a lot to be
a fly on the wall of any caucus room this morning.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'll tell you what, I expect that the Maori Party
the most bummed out of everybody in Parliament because they
had the old protest out the front and everything going on.
Have you heard from them?

Speaker 15 (27:53):
We have. Indeed, this was Debbie who was speaking just
a few moments ago.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
We never knew what games they were going to play,
but you know you're a threat when they start like
super chess.

Speaker 15 (28:01):
And I don't know how.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Many from here are from the NOO, but the Tarauky
we take pride and our civil disobedience.

Speaker 15 (28:10):
So they're a little confused as well because they didn't
see this coming. And he waited.

Speaker 17 (28:15):
He what we saw today makes me feel like I'm
on remind.

Speaker 15 (28:21):
So essentially just sort of waiting for the punishment.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Oh wow, okay, and how's Brownlee feeling?

Speaker 15 (28:28):
Oh listen, I'm not sure how Joey Brownlee is feeling.
I think that he's probably you know, what did.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
His face say at that very minute, because unfortunately, as
I faced up earlier, I was on the phone when
this happened. You and adult tell me what happened to
his face?

Speaker 15 (28:42):
I will will We sit directly above Jerry Browne and
we were looking at the faces of the MP. I
should have turned around and looked at the TV. But yeah, no,
I'm sure he was. Maybe maybe he's confused as all
of us. I'd love to know if he was in
on this, because it certainly seemed like maybe he wasn't
based on the question yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Over savents judging by that, the tripping over the words
and everything. No, not in on it at all. Jason,
Thanks very much. Jason Wall's News Talk z B political
editor nine away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic hosking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (29:13):
More money for rail. This is the budget six hundred
million dollars. A lot of money, isn't it, Transport Minister
Chris Bishop with US six hundred million dollars, Where on
earth are you guys finding all this? My increasing concern
around all these announcements. Is somebody's borrowing money. Tell me
you're not borrowing yet more money?

Speaker 20 (29:28):
Well, that the government is borrowing, I know that, but
more on what we already know about this is my concern.
All of the announcements you guys have made so far
equate to billions of dollars. Now, either you've found fantastic savings, brilliant,
well done, congratulations, or you're borrowing more.

Speaker 16 (29:42):
We are borrowing, but we are delivering significant savings in
the budget that you'll see on Thursday.

Speaker 19 (29:47):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Veda News talk zb.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Here the why should the government telegraph what they're going
to do to such a naive journalist's government? One press
galery zero. I mean, it's a fair point, right, there's
there's no ptigation. And also you could take that further
and say, why should the government telegraph what they're going
to do to Chris Hopkins? Because it's not as if
Chris Hopkins is going to be using it to help
the government, is he he is the leader of the opposition,
he's going to use it against the government. So probably

(30:14):
I would agree with the text that came in and
said well played National anyway, Chris Bishop is going to
be with us after five o'clock talk us through that.
By the way. Okay, so I don't actually get to
watch that much question Time anymore because unfortunately it Question
Time kacks off at two in the afternoon, and that
is generally the time when we are pretty full on
getting ready for the show and making sure that we've

(30:35):
got everything ready to be able to tell you what
you need to know. And so as a result, I
get to miss it. But I had to tune in
today because this is obviously going to be central to
what we're doing. Caught the very very tail end of
question Time as we're waiting for this thing to kick off,
and you know what, this talk of the standards of
question time slipping. I mean, I caught, honestly about I

(30:55):
reckon in the space of about two or three minutes
what I saw, maybe it was five, let's be generous
and honest here. I watched for about five minutes, and
I was like, what the hell is going on in
this place? It was pretty wild, like low level wild,
you know, I mean, just that wasn't what it used
to be. For a start. When he p got himself
kicked out. Not even a big deal. Now it's just

(31:16):
like low level just now, don't you go?

Speaker 21 (31:18):
Would be modification if every Thursday I went down and
got myself a sundown.

Speaker 17 (31:23):
No, not going to do that. That is one of
those questions where I made the point before to the
audible care of Macnalti. At some point some minister is
going to overstep and take an early afternoon. So I
suggest that the ride on Winston Peters remove himself from
the house.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Now off he goes. Now I think that he was
looking at Debbie. I think I think he's suggesting Debbie
gets herself a suntan on the regular. Anyway, it's pretty
clear the Maori Party still has absolutely no idea how
to do parliament. This is Debbie a new point of order.

Speaker 17 (31:56):
You better be a new point of order.

Speaker 22 (31:58):
Yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Oh, you know that real instills a lot of confidence making.
Oh think it is. And then Chloe asks a question
of Chris Luxen obviously about the climate, because what else
and he answers it and have a listened to her.

Speaker 23 (32:11):
Well, as the member knows, we have an emissions reduction
planned one and two.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
They are on track to deliver our.

Speaker 11 (32:17):
Oh but.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Wow, Okay, control those emotions, Julie and Jenter. Jeez hallelujah. Anyway,
so as a result of that, look, I just strongly
urge you to you know you can, you can watch.
Don't worry about missing out on today's fun. Just tune
in tomorrow at question time, get yourself your popcorn and
just watch everybody misbehave. It's a lot of bad behavior
going on. Anyway, listen, Chris Bishop, as I say, is

(32:42):
with us. And then after that we're gonna have a
chat to the ACC. Minister. ACC has pulled or paused
some this campaign that they're rolling out on sexual abuse.
It feels like it might be tied to the fact
that they're going to dump the They're going to basically
shed responsibility for the sexual abuse claims. We'll get you
across all of that, and then petrol prices talks.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Good afternoon. In a surprise move, the much anticipated debates
about whether or not to suspend the three Malori Party
MPs has been postponed. The Leader of the House Chris Bishop,
called for the debate to be delayed.

Speaker 16 (33:42):
There is no more important role for Parliament than scrutinizing
and debating the budget. It is a confidence motion by
definition in the government. The government cannot govern without the
approval of the Parliament. Constitutionally, it is right that they participate,
so we moving to adjourned the debate so that this

(34:02):
week can focus rightly on the budget.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
The motion passed, but Opposition Leader Chris Hipkins didn't like
that either.

Speaker 18 (34:09):
Had they approached us this morning and said, look, we
wanted to further debate, we want to put it off
un till later on, we would have been open to
having that conversation. We've been trying to talk to them
for the last forty eight hours. They haven't even bothered
to return phone calls, and then they do this. They
just look like they're out of their debt. I don't
know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And Chris Bishop is with us right now. Hi Bish, Hello,
are you playing super chess?

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (34:28):
I think we're doing the right thing. In principle, people
should be able to vote on the budget. There's no
more important role for parliament than voting on the budget,
but also we want this week to be about the
budget and the important moves that we're making to get
fiscal discipline back and grow the economy, and we don't
want it to sidetracked by distractions. So that's what we've
adjourned the debate. So ultimately Parliament will deal with the

(34:49):
report of the Privileged Committee and to the Party marimps
that would have to do it in a couple of weeks,
not today.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
What do you make of Chris Hipkins's complained that you
didn't tell him what you were doing earlier.

Speaker 16 (35:00):
Well, I'm not obliged to tell Chris Hipkins what we're
up to. I mean, the Parliament ultimately has voted to
adjourn the debate and that's what we're doing. So there'll
be many a chance for people to have their say
on the appropriate punishment in a couple of weeks. As
it stands, the Government is in favor of the report
of the Committee, which proposes twenty one days punishment. We
think what the Married Party MPs did was wrong and

(35:22):
they deserve sanction for that and will be voting in
favor of it, and it ultimately it's over to the
opposition what they decide to do all right.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
So no compromise. The entire National Party is going to
vote for twenty one days.

Speaker 16 (35:32):
Yes, and things would be different if the Maria or
might be different if the Married Party showed any contrition whatsoever.
But you've got to remember they haven't turned up to
the committee. They've never apologized. They basically don't recognize the
jurisdiction of the Privileges Committee. They don't accept what they
did was wrong, and they need to realize that the
rules apply to them in the same way they apply
to me and every other MP. You can't walk over

(35:54):
to someone in the middle of it vote in the
House and do a haka in an intimidating way, point
a fake gun at another Member of Parliament, which is
what they did. It's wrong.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Kieren mcinoalty of the Labour Party has been going around
saying that there are people in the National Party, MPs
in the National Party who are very uncomfortable about this
and don't think that the twenty one day punishment is right.
Have you spoken to everybody?

Speaker 16 (36:15):
Well, that's completely wrong and there are plenty of Labor
Party MPs who want him to be the leader and
don't Wan Chris Hipkins to be the leader too, But
I don't go around spreading rumors like that.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
You know, what do you make of the fact that
we've got ourselves in this situation in the first place,
having this unbelievably long, potentially long fullybusted debate. Are you
surprised that the Speaker has made this ruling?

Speaker 16 (36:35):
Well, the standing orders provide for a debate to take
place in relation to privileges committee matters. There's not a
lot Speaker can do about that, so that the debate
is the debate.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Is it not the case that the Speaker can sit
down with the committee, the Business of the House Committee
and decide it's going to be a two hour debate
and just limited to that.

Speaker 16 (36:54):
He could do that, but there's no way. I mean,
I'd be in favor of that, but there's no way
the opposition would agree to that. That That is something
that requires concee across the Parliament.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
So I suspect did.

Speaker 16 (37:03):
No, it hasn't come through.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So this was a decision taken unilaterally by the Speaker.

Speaker 16 (37:08):
Well, it's just he's just giving effect to the standing orders.
The standing orders provides for there to be a debate.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, but he had options didn't, he Bish.

Speaker 16 (37:16):
Well, everyone's got options. I mean, I'd be in favor
of a two hour debate or a time limited debate
because you just need a chance to ventilate the issues
and have a say on it.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
But you know, I don't think I I know that
you are bound by convention and you cannot criticize the speaker.
So I'm not asking you to criticize the speaker. I
am just saying the speaker had options here. It didn't
have to play out like this. Are you surprised that
it did?

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Well?

Speaker 16 (37:37):
I'm disappointed that we are where we are, but mostly
I'm disappointed in the way the married party has behaved.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Okay, Bish, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. That's
Chris Bishop, the Leader of the House. Ever Dullen, ACC
has pressed pause on a forty five million dollar sexual
violence prevention campaign, which has only been running since September. Now,
this is only days after the ACC Minister suggested that
ACC might shed its responsibility for aims from sexual abuse
victims and the ACC Minister of Scotsinson hay Scott. Hello, Heather,

(38:05):
are they are these two things connected? Are they pausing
this campaign because you may actually shed the responsibility for
the claims.

Speaker 21 (38:12):
No, not connected at all, and there's no intention to
shared responsibility. But ACC's an independent Crown entity, as I
think we all know. All they've done is just pause
this program while they have a look at it, evaluate
it and make sure that they're getting the best results
for the victims of sexual violence. That's probably a good

(38:32):
thing for them to do, to make sure that the
program's working.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Did you not say last week though, on Friday, that
the government could make changes that would mean ACC would
not need to pay those claims.

Speaker 21 (38:43):
No, different matter completely. This is a program that ACC has,
as in its own independent way, decided to pause and
have a look at to see whether it is being
effective or not.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
No, I know, mat So you said ACC is not
shedding responsibility. Did you not say on Friday that it
may in fact shed responsibility.

Speaker 21 (39:01):
No, I did not. What I said was that there
have been a number of court cases that extend the
range of expectations that ACC is meant to provide. So ACC,
I just want to assure you and listeners, Heather, that
ACC will always be available to support victims of sexual violence,
and there's no consideration of any proposals otherwise, all.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Right, Scott, thank you very much, Scott Simpson, ACC Minister,
I just I'm just going to read this to UK.
On Friday, Scott Simpson told the Post that it was
a live and current question as to whether the government
might make changes that meant claims that arose from the
Court of Appeal ruling, which is about sexual abuse weren't
funded through ACC. Quote. What I'm saying is perhaps we

(39:47):
need to have a conversation as a nation about what
is the best vehicle to provide that care, support and
assistance and whether it's ACC that to end quote that
to me sounds like he has raised the possibility and
suggested that ACC might in fact shed it. Just the
opposite of what he just told us. I'm all right, Heather,
do for see Allen here the why are they giving

(40:07):
into the bullies in parliament? Very weak this from Sarah here.
The National must have known this before. Why the hell
did they allow today? And then five units laughable and
starting no no, no, no, no, okay for Chris. So
what's going on right now is people are angry on
the text machine that National has adjourned this instead of
dealing with this right here and right now. Let me
be clear with you, okay, dealing with this right now.

(40:28):
It was very clear. So the Green's are going to filibuster.
They're going to drag this on for days, if not weeks.
The Mardi Party are going to filibuster, potentially drag it
on for days if not weeks, and Labour said they
weren't going to filibuster, but they started to filibuster with
Chris Hopkins's speech. So if that's what national we're facing,
that's what the government was facing, was that this debate
was going to go on. You're going to have protest outside,

(40:49):
you're going to have the gallery close, all these shenanigans
going on while they're trying to do the budget. They haven't.
It's not a case of not punishing the people who
need to be punished for bad behavior. It's simply laying
it to a better time. And anybody who knows as
a parent knows, sometimes you don't need to discipline the
child right there. She need to give them that look,
be like I'm going to deal with you later after

(41:10):
I've cooked the dinner. That's all they've done quarter past
the text of rolling in on the old punishment. We'll
get back to that. It's eighteen past five. Now listen
on petrol for a long time. If you want us
to find cheap petrol where you need it to go,
is Goal in Atsa yamuri. But not anymore. And now
there's talk that the old Gull effect in totality might
be over, and their prices are only about two and

(41:31):
a half cents cheaper than the national national average. Now.
Terry Collins is AA's principal policy adviser on this.

Speaker 12 (41:36):
Hey, Terry, what has.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Happened is is this just a one off thing or
is Goal genuinely not an outlier anymore?

Speaker 12 (41:45):
No, Gal, I've done such a good thing that encourage
all the other independence to join them. So now instead
of having the Gal effect, we've really got the independence effect.
So we've had Waitomo, IMPD and others join them. You
on owned companies because of the business model, which is
a low cost entry. You only have to have the
land or the place to have the service station. You've

(42:07):
got electronic payment options now available, so you don't need
any staff, and you've got the fuel there, so that
means you can provide fuel very cheaply and the margins
very small. And it's been such a good business model
that all the other independents are joining them.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
So has Goal put up its prices or is it
still holding the line?

Speaker 12 (42:27):
Now it's still holding the line. That's now just a
group of them operating the room into interesting. Gold used
to be owned by a company called Ampole, who now
bought Z and Z of now putting you go another
low cost model.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
So Z is you go from Z?

Speaker 12 (42:44):
Yeah? Yeah, and that's it's owned by Ampole, And Ampole
had to sell Gold to buy Z because they would
have had more than fifty percent of the market share.
So it's really interesting how I mean I put it
this way. I think when Gold came and they took
the service out of service station and made itself service,
we've still got those type of two distinct business models

(43:06):
now self service, MPDS, Y TOURMO Allied, and then you've
got and Goal, and then you've got new Goo sorry,
and then you've got saw your Mobile BP and all
the other ends hid all competing offerings.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Where do you fill up terry?

Speaker 12 (43:21):
I always get the cheapest one on a rare events,
which I do. I went to a gall and Meta
Matter a couple of weeks ago that actually had the
cheapest fuel, and I got a cup of coffee and
a sandwich. That was my perfect trisector. And so I
went there and got a bleeder of dining one. I
think it was two dollars study seven, but I just
looked whenever I look on it, I look at Gaspy.

(43:42):
We were Duny's going to be and go right, that's
the cheapest one around. I'll buy some unless I think
it's going to be cheaper next week. I usually fill
up brilliant.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Terry, Thank you very much. Terry Collins, a principal policy advisor.
Do you know what this is? What I would give
you my tips, Not that I'm like an expert or anything,
but you know it's crowd sourcing this information, isn't it? Marramura.
On the way to the Coramandal, there's I don't know
what it is. Is it a goal? Is it a
self It's some sort of a self service outfit. It's

(44:09):
next to the Red Fox tavern where those murders happened
all those years ago. You know what I'm talking about.
When you get into the Coromandulans on the left, Yeah,
you know what I'm talking about. It's that one right there.
Also by the war Memorial statue thing that one that's
always super cheap. It's really cheap. In fact, it's even
cheaper than over the mountain most of the time. And
then if you're in Auckland City where you want to
be going, like, if you're in the city city where

(44:30):
you want to be going, is the Newton Gully? You
know that one in Newton Gully? Is that also a
Caltech self service? Is it a Caltech? It's also a
Caltech self service? So he goes the self service ones. Anyway,
those are the two hot spots. Those are my go
tos if I have to go to one of the
other ones. Don't even don't even talk about the VP
on two voice road. But my husband could talk to
you for five minutes about those prices, says very. It's

(44:53):
got to be in his bonnet. And I don't even
care about petrol prices. I just do it to keep
him calm. Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Informed side into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd
be oh.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
The news and Gallic Celtics newsion. Gali Celtics has been
brought by something. Maybe you go well, you go super cheap,
so I'm going to be very happy about that. Five
twenty four. Now, look, I think Labour should use this
delay in the Maori Party punishment to have a long
heart think about what side of this debate they actually
want to be on, because right now they are on
the side of the Maori Party by the looks of things,

(45:31):
because they're going out of their way, aren't they to
defend the Mardi Party. Now, Labor is going to take
issue with that statement from me. They will say that
they're being more nuanced than that, and to some extent
that is absolutely true. But let me tell you something.
Nuance gets lost in a debate like this that has
this many twists and turns, and as Debbie says, super
chess is being played. Ultimately Labor is simply going to

(45:53):
look like they are on the side of the Mardi Party,
and being on the side of the Marti Party right
now means being on the side of bad behavior, because
this isn't just about the Hukker, is it. This is
about all the behaviors. This is about debing yado. We're
packer pulling the gun fingers at David Seymour in the house.
That's completely unacceptable. It's about the Mardi Party completely ignoring

(46:14):
the Privileges Committee and as as people have said, behaving
like it doesn't have any say of that. Everybody else
has to abide by what the Privileges Committee says, but
not the Marti Party. They don't have to turn up,
they don't have to abide by the rules, not to
publish the recommendations. They just allure on to themselves. That's
what the Labor Party is siding with, and Labour Party
needs to understand that a punishment of twenty one days, yes,

(46:34):
does look harsh, but it is not just about the Huker.
It's also quite clearly meant as a deterrent to a
party that is indicated it will keep breaking the rules. Now,
I think what's going on here is that Labor is
so fixated on making life hard for the government that
it's failing to see the big picture. And the big
picture is that voters do not like bad behavior in parliament.
Not only is it distasteful and disappointing, but we mainly

(46:57):
don't like that MP's are wasting their precious time dealing
with it kind of nonsense and misbehaving rather than actually
running the government because we're paying their wages. Now, I
would not be surprised if the majority of voters want
to see standards restored and punishment handed down. And I
would bet a lot of money that the very voters
that Labour needs to target, which is middle New Zealand,
absolutely want to see punishment handed down in this because remember,

(47:20):
most voters do not like the Maori Party. They pull
at about four percent. Ninety six percent of voters don't
vote for them, and right now, by siding with them,
Labor is reminding us what a Labor, Greens and Maori
Party government would look like and how it would behave
and I think to a lot of people that would
be very unappealing.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Good weather do for seel don't give you a.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Little update on the butter situation with Costco, because I've
been talking a little bit about this right and it's
become a fascination for people because the butter is ridiculously cheap.
Now I don't know if you know this, but you
can buy one kei low of butter at Costco for
the same price that you could buy half as much
butter at normal supermarkets. Right, so it's like ten dollars
for a kilo at Costco and ten dollars for five

(48:00):
hundred grams at other supermarkets and stuff, and a lot
of texts were asking, yeah, but where's the butter from? Well,
it looks like all of Costco's butter comes from New Zealand.
The butter is branded as Kirkland's Butter, which is basically
like Costco's Home brand. You know, like New World has
got PAMs and we had the no frills and we
had the Home brand, all that kind of stuff. That's
basically what Kirkland is. Kirkland is made in hokaticker by

(48:23):
Westland Milk Products. Westland also happens to be the place
that makes west Gold butter. Are you listening to what
I am saying? Westland makes the butter at Costco, but
it also makes the west Gold butter. And if you
ask Martin Bossley, the chef, which I have done, which
is the best butter that you could buy out their

(48:44):
value for money? Please boss He says west Gold butter,
which you get from Woolworths and food Stuff. So what
I'm saying to you is read between the lines. You
can either buy west Gold at ten dollars for four
hundred grams or you can buy the Costco butter at
ten dollars for one kg. I'm not saying it's the
same butter, but it's made in the same place. To

(49:08):
follow what I'm saying, headlines next.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd be.

Speaker 15 (49:26):
With the records.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I can't remember everything we said. We said it.

Speaker 10 (49:33):
It's told me that.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
After six o'clock we're going to be talking to or Flavel,
who was obviously one of the previous co leaders of
the Marti Party. Just get us take on how I mean.
It's a completely different iteration back then of what the
party was. But we'll get his take as to what
he thinks of what they're up to at the moment.
Hither it was very Machiavelli and by Bishop allowing Hipkins
to try and water down the penalties before the debate
was adjourned. He won't get to speak again before a

(49:58):
vote has taken, but his speeches for ever recorded in handside,
which is actually not a bad point and may go
some way to explaining why Bush didn't tell anybody what
he was planning to do twenty four away from six? Now,
do you remember that controversial new sport run it which
we've talked about on the show. It basically involves a
ball carrier, somebody carrying a ball and a tackler running
straight at each other from twenty meters apart. Now, the

(50:20):
first official trial of it in New Zealand happened in
Auckland last night and the next one's happening tomorrow. And
we're going to talk to the guys who were involved
in the competition and when did they pull out? Or
probably what about ten minutes ago? Now it was a
little bit more she reckons five Now it was year seven.
Split the difference seven and a half minutes ago thereabouts.
So I just said, no, we don't want to talk
to you anymore. So that's fine. Speak instead to CEO

(50:41):
of Headway Stacey Mobra. Headway is a concussion and brain
and jury charity charity.

Speaker 24 (50:46):
Hey Stacy Cauda here that thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, it's very lovely to talk to you. Opportunities hey,
why not take them?

Speaker 8 (50:52):
Now?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
You don't like this game? Why is that?

Speaker 5 (50:56):
No?

Speaker 24 (50:56):
I just and we think Headway thinks. But also you know,
we're in intact and we took work really closely with
the researchers here in New Zealand, and what we're seeing
is something that presents extremely high risk of brain injury.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Why are they doing it?

Speaker 12 (51:13):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (51:13):
I think you'd have to well, you know, I think
that's the biggest societal issue, isn't it Why this is
attractivel why they're doing it? But you know, I would
just really say that I'm calling this a sport undermines
the work done by our sporting codes, you know that
they've done over many years than they continue to do
to try to mitigate the risks. This isn't a sport.
This is literally you know, I don't know an activity,

(51:38):
have words for it? Well, I think it's more a
spectacle and entertainment, you know, unprotected head impacts for the
entertainment of others.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Stacey. Now, I know you guys want the venue to
stop hosting them, and you're speaking out against them stuff.
But these people are adults, right, I mean, people do
stupid things. Should we not accept that they have some
agency over their own stupid behavior?

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (52:02):
And you know you're right. We wouldn't want to live
in a country where we couldn't make choices right. But
one thing that worries us is have these people been
fully informed? Listening to you know, people involved with it,
they didn't actually seem to realize that there was a
difference between you know, that you could get a concussion
without a knockout, as you know, head when we want

(52:24):
to educate people around concussion, we want to make it
clear you can be concussed without a knockout, and that
a knockout, you know, is really significant. So that that's
a worry that people don't actually know what they're putting theirselves,
how they're putting themselves at risk, and also the long
term consequences of potential brain injury. But also you know,

(52:44):
I think it starves young people and what they seeing
and what the message is they're getting from this being
on TikTok and Instagram.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, Stacy, thanks for talking to us. Appreciate it. Stacey Mowbray,
who is the CEO of Headway.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
The Huddle with New Zealand Suderby's Internet Real d find
you all one of a.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Kind On the Huddle of Me this evening, we have
Morris Williamson and Claar Door Hello, you too.

Speaker 14 (53:06):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Right, let's deal with what's there go on? So hello
to him? I did did you okay?

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Just I mean both of you?

Speaker 22 (53:15):
Hello, Heather?

Speaker 14 (53:17):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Or all right, we've done the nice stuff.

Speaker 22 (53:20):
What did you have for lunch today?

Speaker 25 (53:22):
I didn't have any lunch today. I just got something
out of the food scraps bin.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Oh good from you, Morris. Good segue. We're going to
talk about that park that one for now, Claire, what
did you think of what happened in parliament with that? Smart?
As Debbie says, super chess move from Chris Bishop.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Oh.

Speaker 22 (53:37):
He gets a gold star on his chart as Leader
of the House for that because it was a smart
move and he only really outsmarted those who hadn't thought through.
What would I do if I was trying to shut
this down until after the budget, because it's just sitting
there as a very obvious thing. So I think it's
a lack of knowledge of standing orders, a lack of

(53:59):
experience on the part of some people. And I guess
I can say that as somebody who's observed Parliament for
a long time and actually knows someone who used to
do this sort of thing. I'm married to somebody who
used to shut the house down just quietly every now
and again. And you know it is an obvious move
if you're trying to figure out how to achieve exactly
exactly what he has.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, what did you think of it, Marris? Did you
think of it?

Speaker 6 (54:22):
Was?

Speaker 25 (54:22):
Well, my worry is with Jerry Brownly the speaker.

Speaker 11 (54:25):
I just think Jerry's lost the plot.

Speaker 25 (54:27):
I think when he read out on Thursday that he
was going to allow a full debate from anyone who
wished to participate. That's one hundred and twenty two people
or something I think there is now. Then he was
going to allow as many amendments as people wanted to
make to it, and you'd all get a chance to
speak to those. What you'd have ended up with was
multiple days, if not into weeks, that people could keep

(54:47):
moving frivolous amendments or the next stage amendment. Let's move
it from three days of a suspension to four days
and then debate that. He said anybody who moved an
amendment would all people would be allowed to speak again.
And when I heard that ruling, I just went O MG,
he has just opened Pandora's box to and unlimited, especially
in budget week. I thought the only child. The only

(55:10):
option now left to the government is they just have
to move it on to another date after the budget.
They had no option. He forced it.

Speaker 12 (55:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
What did you think of that, Claire?

Speaker 22 (55:20):
Yeah, I mean it was pretty obvious that it did
take him aback. You. I think Jason Walls wasn't able
to see the Speaker's face, but he looked momentarily disconcerted
and then sort of thumb popped back into the reality
that this thing was not happening. And I think the
same too for Chris Hopkins heard at one stage had

(55:40):
made some sort of interesting points, but in making the
points that he did about the disproportionality as he argues
of this punishment, it's also clear that what's gone before
by way of punishments has had no deterrent effect. So
maybe Parliament does need to get tougher.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
What did you can justine that, Claire? What did you
make of Jerry brownlee reaction? I mean is it is
does it seem that he actually wants this debate to
happen right now?

Speaker 22 (56:05):
Well, I think he expected it, whether he in a
sense wanted it, but I think.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
He's caught off guard, butn't just caught off guard then
by what happened, caught off guard.

Speaker 22 (56:16):
I think the person I don't think that Christ Biship
kept it entirely to himself, because when Winston Peters had
to leave the house, he did so very quickly, very quietly,
and I think he knew he wasn't going to be
missing his chance to comment on that debate because it
was not going to happen.

Speaker 25 (56:32):
Yeah, I did think no, no, but but Winston was
allowed straight back and when question time finished he did
come back into his chair. Look, there was a matter
of there was no choice. There was simply no choice
on this. Jerry forced their hand last Thursday. He hated
what the Privileges Committee had ruled. He couldn't stand it.
He was despised it. And he suddenly realized that he
had opened.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Do you know that Morris? Are you?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Is that in yours?

Speaker 25 (56:54):
You just needed to see just look at his face
on last Thursday and look at the words he said.

Speaker 11 (57:00):
You know, so such a.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Strong opinion on what the Privileges Committee's done.

Speaker 25 (57:04):
I don't know, but he was bitter about them having
gone so far. He said, yes, there was a room
for punishment, but you know, he was really clear your
body language. You don't even need to be a professor
to read it. And so he decided I can get
you back here. I will leave it to an open
debate with as many I've never heard any speakers say,
with as many amendments as you want to make, and

(57:26):
you'll all be able to speak again on every amendment
you make. And all that did is so well the
government said, well, we've just got to close this down.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (57:33):
It's also seldom that you've seen the public galleries closed
to anyone, Yer, and I think that is highly regrettable
that that move had to be taken.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
If it had to be taken.

Speaker 22 (57:44):
Because you know, Parliament belongs to us, it doesn't just
belong to MP's.

Speaker 25 (57:49):
I think it had to be taken. You would have
just lost control of that whole room with the nunt
of people out on the forecourt being.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I mean, it's worth us pointing out right that we
may have we've all we've done has deferred this right.
All of these risks involved with this debate are only
being put off. It could well basically just happen in June,
couldn't it.

Speaker 22 (58:08):
You For the reason the reoil arranged in the meantime right.

Speaker 25 (58:11):
The reason to put it off now, But the reason
to put it off is really clear if you take
how many people there are to speak, and all the
amendments that could be moved and giving everyone a chance
to have their say. You run a past budget time
on Thursday totally, and that's the one thing the government
couldn't afford. So push it out beyond budget and let
it run for as long as you like.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Yep, all right, guys, we'll take a break and we'll
come back and talk about those food scraps.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
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Speaker 3 (58:40):
Right, Morris, tell me about the food scrapsmin Are you
guys going to get rid of it?

Speaker 25 (58:44):
I'm hopeful we will. I've been opposed to it right
from the outset. It had already been decided when I
got elected in twenty twenty two, but I've had a
bit of a campaign going on and now election year.
I want to know any counselors that are happy to
tell rate payers you should be paying seventy four dollars
for a US.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
You don't want.

Speaker 25 (59:02):
I'm happy to let those who do want to have
a food scraps bin have one and they should pay
the true cost of it. Now, what you get from
other councilors so far saying is oh, but any costs
and incurred across society to be spread across everybody. Well,
last week I just had someone come and do my
pool inspection and it cost me two hundred bucks to
help you with that. I think you should chip in

(59:22):
and so should clear I shouldn't be It's nonsense, It's
absolutely nonsense.

Speaker 22 (59:26):
Can we come and swim in your pool?

Speaker 5 (59:28):
No?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Well no, equally, do you want to go through what
you can pay for it?

Speaker 23 (59:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (59:33):
That's right.

Speaker 25 (59:33):
Well, in our area I think it's about twenty eight
percent of all people putting rubbish out on a Thursday.
I've done many many pictures along the street. It's less
than thirty percent. I'm told by officials it's up to
a third for the whole city. I actually don't believe that.

Speaker 11 (59:48):
A listen, but it's just on this site what it is.

Speaker 10 (59:50):
Not only if you want it, you pay.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Not only is it a cost for everybody when when
only a third of us are doing it in Auckland.
But even the bigger crime is that it is. It
is economically just ridiculous because you're paying fourteen hundred dollars
per carbon unit saved when you could just buy it
from the ets for fifty bucks.

Speaker 25 (01:00:10):
Correct, there was just virtue signaling by those councils at
the time. Will look like we're doing something to save
the planet. About eighty percent of what they trucked to Reparoa,
so you imagine the carbon being pumped into there by
the trucks, about eighty percent of it is water.

Speaker 11 (01:00:23):
They were they told us they squeeze the water out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Listen, Bill is texting me furiously. He says, I was
asleep at science school and that I don't understand that
the water is retained within the vegetables, and therefore, like
that's why it's eighty percent water? Or is it actually?
Are we? Are we talking about the water that's produced
by the decomposing process.

Speaker 25 (01:00:42):
No, no, no, no, it's like anything. I mean, your
human body seventy five percent of work.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Can we squeeze it out?

Speaker 11 (01:00:48):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 25 (01:00:49):
If you crush the stuff, all the liquid would pour
out and then you'll be able to take the dried
or the squash stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Don't they do that?

Speaker 25 (01:00:56):
Well? It's well, they thought that it was. Actually they
were going to we were originally. Then we found out
it was more expensive and energy wise to do the
crushing and the drying than it was to just carry
the truckloads of water down there. In the end, this
is a lunatic policy. I'm going to be really interested
to see any counselors who vote to retain it, because
they got to face their rate payers, and two thirds

(01:01:17):
of their ratepayers who are voting don't use the service
but pay for it. It's wrong and it should be
user paid too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Right now, Claire, I am starting a campaign to get
rid of these stupid elemins. And I've got Morrison boarders
you can tell, and the Auckland rate Payers Alliance would
you like to join.

Speaker 22 (01:01:32):
My brain is aching from what I now know about
food scraps that I didn't know before. You two have
got going on the top.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
And you are shook, aren't you? You are shook? Are shaken?

Speaker 22 (01:01:43):
I mean, if you can't use the foods graps, just
pop a bit of ice in it, put your shard, Nana,
and off you go. Heather, Honestly, I wish, I mean,
I do care about the cost. That's being imposed on people.
I hadn't thought it through as well as Morris hasn't
got hot under the collar a food scrap scrap because
by passed me out for now.

Speaker 26 (01:02:02):
But I'm going to go and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Read up about it. Listen. I appreciate it.

Speaker 25 (01:02:06):
From the food fights on the village square.

Speaker 15 (01:02:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
All I want to say is clear, there's surely something
you care about that we can spend that thirty six
million dollars on. You know that would be better?

Speaker 11 (01:02:16):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Totally? There is like libraries, Oh love a library.

Speaker 22 (01:02:21):
Get the least building fixed up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Okay, we just.

Speaker 25 (01:02:25):
The money and reduced the clear how about we just
reduced the thirteen billion of debt by that much?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
About that would be good?

Speaker 22 (01:02:34):
Yeah, all right, Marris, you go do that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Okay, No, she's on board, she's behind you, she's on.

Speaker 11 (01:02:40):
Upsets me that.

Speaker 25 (01:02:40):
Every time there's a saving people, so or what could
we spend it on? Well, actually, we've got thirteen thousand
million dollars of debt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I know what you are, your sensible dad, aren't you?

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
All?

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
We wanted some treats and you say no, put the
money away. All right, it's good though we need boring.
I appreciate it. Morris Williams and Clear de lay I
huddle this evening eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
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Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
A labor doesn't separate itself from the Marti Party, they're
not going to be back in power for a very
long time. I would agree with that Marty part. Oh yeah,
we all agree with that. We all know why we
agree with that. It's just a shambles, isn't it. Hitheras
that little truck goes round the corner of our end
of our cul de sac, the truck drops that juice
on the road, and the smell is awful, isn't it.

(01:03:28):
There's nothing as stinky as the food. But hey, and
that's do you know what, just insyncorate it, just in syncorated,
because what they're doing is actually not only an economic crime,
but it would appear to be a climate crime as
well by shipping it all down to Reperoa. Anyway, Look,
I've got I've got to come to the defense of
the dinosaur. Okay, so this is this has caused the thing.

(01:03:49):
Taxpays Union is not happy about it. Taupo Council has
put up a dinosaur. It's a statue. Where is it
acts is it Lakeside Lakeside Park here, Lakeside Park where
they have all the concerts and stuff like that. It's
a dinosaurs statue. Now. It's ten meters tall, and what
it is at the top, on the top of the
plinth is a silver dinosaur, right, and it looks like

(01:04:10):
if you've ever gone to kmart and you've bought one
of those blow up balloons that's in the shape of
a dinosaur.

Speaker 11 (01:04:15):
Or it's like a Diplodocus brachiosaurus type looking one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Actually, no one knows what you're talking about.

Speaker 11 (01:04:21):
Nerd Board knows what I'm talking about right now. Yes, Brontosaurus.
Oh I know what a brontosaurus issaurus.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, thank you for making English. Okay, it's probably a
Latin anyway. So what it is is if you go
to km out and you buy one of those those
blow up dinosaurs. It looks like that, but like a
good version of that, right, because that's obviously what the
artist was modeling it on. And then it's sitting on
a plinth that looks it's like a geometric rock formation.
So it looks like something out of an early video game,
and people hate it. They're really upset about it, because

(01:04:50):
there's nothing that people want to get more upset about
than the council wasting your money and look on that.
That is a fair point because the thing costs the council,
Topal District council one hundred thousand dollars, which is a
lot of money for local government, and these people are
paying rates or a rates increase of more than eight percent.
So that's fair. That's a fair argument. But for the

(01:05:11):
art of it, it's cool. I mean, that is a
cool sculpture, right, because sculptures are fine. You know, you
see sculpture around the place, it's like, well, whatever, it's fine.
But this is a sculpture that not only you as
a parent, a millennial parent, drawing on all of your
childhood experiences of bronzosauruses and stuff like that and km
Art toys. You can enjoy that, but also the children

(01:05:33):
get to look at a dinosaur. They're gonna love it.
Now you're going to look at it. It's going to
make you upset for a little bit, right, undoubtedly, but
it's gonna be like, that's not art, it's ugly, but
mark my words, mark my words. Ten years from now,
it's going to be a legend and you're going to
be taking the children there. And it's a sauro pod,
says it text.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
Yeah, so a saw a pod is the broad Do
you really want to go down the throat? A sa
POD's the broader family that all those species are names belong.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
To what species?

Speaker 11 (01:05:59):
Like the brachiosaur was a sawer pod? Is that just
a walk up like a big one with a long
neck that eats leaves. So you're right, It would have
been much faster for me to say sa a pod.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Okay, well I'm labor cleared that up. It's a sawa pod,
Thank you, thank you. There's obviously more nerd boys out
there to it or flavel is with us next and
also chorus chorus is ripping out the couple lines. I'm
going to talk to you about that later on news talks.

Speaker 8 (01:06:22):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
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Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
News talks be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Auckland. See
these are out in about three weeks as we're a
huge delay on this, so we will discuss rad Olsen
on what he's looking out for in the budget, which
is only two slips away, and Jamie McKay on the
government's climate plan that obviously is not going to happen.
At seven past six now, as you well know, the
Maori Party punishment debate isn't happening. It's been delayed until
June fifth. The Leader of the House, Chris Bishop said

(01:07:14):
it would be wrong to deny a party the right
to debate the budget. So Flavel is a former co
leader of the Maori Party and is with us. Now, Hey,
is the order here right? How are you very well?

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Would this all have happened under you? Is this the
kind of party that you could have seen it becoming
under your leadership?

Speaker 26 (01:07:31):
I'm not too sure. There are a couple of times
that we definitely tested the boundaries. I remember taking the
Oaths for example, and talking to the tretaway Toney and
that caused a bit of a stir so over time,
I know, as we've settled in as a sort of
an or as the group has settled into an independent
party that attempts to put and highlight copable Maori in

(01:07:54):
front of the nation. It's probably inevitable that over time
these sorts of things would happen because and it's not new.
Back in my day, as I say, we were attempting
to press the boundaries through from the from the causes
and the treaty through through just Cadel Mary being spoken
in the house.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
And I suppose every time you push at the boundary,
and you push at the boundary, it kind of you know,
we will get more and more as the boundary goes out.
The thing that you had pressed that made people upset
is no longer something that makes people upset. But it
does feel like it's kind of gone a bit far.
If we've got one co leader pulling the gun thing,
is that another another leader in Parliament?

Speaker 16 (01:08:28):
Don't you think?

Speaker 26 (01:08:29):
Well, I don't necessarily accept that that's the case about
pulling a gun. I mean, you know, people stand up
in the debating chamber and you've seen it all yourself.
People express themselves in different ways. And I suppose just
in the eye of the holder, And does anybody really
believe that DEBI is going to really take up arms
against anybody. I don't think so. I mean, often this

(01:08:52):
is all about expression. I won't talk about just the finger,
whatever it might be, because that's that's done all the time,
even mister Peters is. But you can't other people.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Come on, You can't say that's okay, because you can't
be going around as a professional adults pulling gun fingers
at each other and thinking that that's okay.

Speaker 26 (01:09:10):
Well I said that, but that that is on the
basis that somebody believes it was pulling the gun. And
as I say, even mister Peters are from time to
time has roll to wave his little old finger in
certain directions and so on, as if as if to
do the similar similar actions. So I'm not going to
defend that. The bigger copepper here is around, you know,
an ability for mary to express their views in the

(01:09:32):
Parliament of our land and allow that to happen on
the back of what has happened, you know, through history
in parliament and as I say, even in our time,
we had to fight hard for the acceptance of mighty
language in parliament. So times have moved on and Hakker
is not new in parliament, and yet it seems to
have been blind right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
That's not the problem though, when you know that you're
smart enough to know that's not the problem.

Speaker 26 (01:09:57):
Well it appears to be, and I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Come on, you know you know the rules in Parliament.
You know that you can't go and stand within two
and a half sword links of somebody else, which is
what they did. Had they done the hacker in their
own seats after the vote was taken, it probably wouldn't
be as big a deal as it is. But they
actually went up to another MP. And you're not supposed
to do that, and there's reason why you're not supposed
to do that, and you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
Know that, Derek.

Speaker 26 (01:10:20):
There are another number of occasions that I've been in
the House wee people have stood in the oil and
done the hooker. So moving outside of your boundaries is
not new.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
And have they approached a member that close?

Speaker 26 (01:10:33):
No, the issue was about haker doing No, it's not
and you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Know it's not to it or you know it's not
about doing a.

Speaker 26 (01:10:39):
Hawker mate, Well I think it is actually and it's not.
So somebody happens to have taken them argument out to
target mister Sema, although I don't disagree that mister Sema
was the targeting team.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Okay, so if because you do realize that there is
a separate process altogether here that is considering whether the
hacker actually can be done in parliament, whether it can
be included within Parliament's rules. Do you realize that right?

Speaker 26 (01:11:06):
No, because the hoker has already been accepted by Gingers
way back in my day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
So are you telling me theker It's okay if the
hacker happens in parliament.

Speaker 26 (01:11:16):
But it happens already has been and then we accepted.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
The hocker is not the problem. It's the advancing on
a member that's the problem. It's the intimidation.

Speaker 26 (01:11:24):
No, well, that depends on, of course, on who you
speak to. And of course they have been sanctioned for
doing the hooker in the house, and that seems to
be the discussion and the debate. Hokker is not new,
and hacker is a simple expression of and I suppose
it comes down to an understanding of what people believe
is you know the purpose of a hakker. I mean,

(01:11:45):
there's no denying there's an element of what expression A
storm expression about what one person challenge from t hunter
times a celebration, at other times sadness, happiness. All of
those expressions are contained in hokka all the time, and
there's no different conga from freight orderor that happens on

(01:12:08):
the my life. And I suppose this is the question,
you know, Heather, that I've sort of tried to focus on.
That is, you know, the ability to allow copeable mariichik
Maori in the health, which is absolutely you know in
terms of all of the wolves pretty much follows a
capable Parker how lone. And that's that's the challenge all
the time, all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Right to it as always love chatting to you mate,
look after yourself to or level former leader of the
Maori Party co leader Heather do for cl whither the
scrap's food recycling typifies all green eco schemes. It's poorly
thought out, it's worse for the environment and really is
just virtue signaling. I can't wait. I've got I reckon,
I've got enough people on board my little campaign. Now
that I reckon this is not going to last. How

(01:12:48):
long do I reckon? It'll last? Maybe two more Auckland
budgets and then after that it's gone, Heather, It's Rob
the Latin teacher here. Brontosaurus is from Greek and not Latin.
It means something like the thunder lizard. Actually very cool name, Heather.

(01:13:08):
That dinosaur is a bargain. We Auckland has paid one
million dollars for a steel Christmas tree that could have
been ten dinosaurs, and dinosaurs are so much more cool
and Gavin also, the Christmas tree comes down. You only
get it for about a month, don't you. That dinosaur
lives there forever. So it is a bargain, I suppose,
if you're prepared to pay for it. Hither. I was
born in the late seventies, and I feel like this
is my moment to shine. Brontosaurus, Diplocotus, hence Diplodocus, maybe Diplodocus, Brachiosaurus,

(01:13:37):
et cetera, are all in the genus of Sora pods.

Speaker 11 (01:13:40):
I think I said Diplodocus before, because I'm not sure
which of the two you're supposed to say. It's one
of the two anyway, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
So it's that one with all the d's and the
p's and.

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
Like a little fit from the lamb before time, that
one he's that one that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
He is no idea what he's talking about anyway, Soara pods.
There you go, fourteen past six.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
It's the Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Hither to it or a f level is totally Righthither
the ex Marti Party leader does not believe the gunfingers
are other things? Is okay? If these things were reversed,
there was a totally wasted interview. I would agree with you. Look, unfortunately,
what happens is very hard to kind of if you
can't agree, if you can't settle on agreed facts like
why they are in trouble and what actually happened, Like

(01:14:27):
those things are not up for debate. They are facts.
What happened. You can see what happened, and you can
see what people are in trouble for because it has
written down. And if you can't actually agree on that
with somebody you're talking to, then everything thereafter is a
waste of everybody's time. And unfortunately that is exactly what happens.
So I apologize and I'm partly to blame for that.
Eighteen past six, Now, just two more sleeps until Budget Day.

(01:14:47):
Brad Olson's favorite day of the year, and he's with us. Now, Hey, Brad,
good evening. Is it really your favorite day.

Speaker 9 (01:14:54):
It's definitely up there. I mean, you know, birthdays and
Christmas are good, but when you sort of get locked
in a room with a huge amount of information to
go through and put your economic wits to a test,
it's always important.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Yeah, with the time pressure, I mean, it is just
so intense and fun. Okay, what are you going to
be looking out for. What's the one thing that you
do not know about? You want to understand and this
is the thing that you go straight to.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
Oh look, infrastructure in my mind only because I think
it'll be more than one thing. I don't think there'll
just be one announcement. And there's already been some right,
I mean, there's been a lot of money that's been
put towards the likes of defense and similar but government,
you know, continues to talk about how much infrastructure it
wants to invest and we can see it around the country.
There is a desperate need for that across the likes

(01:15:38):
of you know, hospitals and schools, but also the likes
of you know, water pipes, roads, everything else that keep
the economy moving. So that's going to be my big
focus what stuff is in there, because if the government
can unlock a greater level of infrastructure investment. That's the
sort of stuff that does get the economy motoring. It
creates or keeps more people in construction jobs to start with,
and when those facilities, when those assets are up in running,

(01:16:00):
is a whole lot more that they can provide. And
I think, particularly looking out at the likes of provincial
and regional New Zealand, there's some real opportunities to supercharge
stuff there.

Speaker 11 (01:16:09):
So that's the big one.

Speaker 9 (01:16:10):
But of course, as we've talked about, I think for
probably the last two weeks on the show now that
the key we save a question is still coming up
time and time again. So although it seems pretty close
that something is going to come out there, just the
details we'll want to get across what they mean for people.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Back in You know. One thing that struck me as
being slightly different this time around is that last in budgets,
Previously we've always looked out for the lollies like who's
getting what freeb but this time there is no sense
of that and it is more what's been cut? Would
you agree with that?

Speaker 10 (01:16:40):
Indeed?

Speaker 9 (01:16:41):
And to be fair, that was a part of last year,
but we had a pretty good read already from the
government at that point because they'd said, you know, government
ministries need to take a six and a half percent
baseline cup this time around, it's not quite across the
board everyone needs to find savings. It's more that there
are big, quite chunky projects or sort of proposals that
were already there that might now be coming out. So

(01:17:01):
you're definitely right in terms of what's not going to
be in there for the future. But I also think
slightly different with this budget is there seems to be
a few more sort of non financial announcements that the
government wants to make as part of it. So they
might be funding some new proposal, but they're also saying, look,
we're going to make this other change that might not
necessarily cost a whole lot of money, but if we
can make a financial shift plus a regulatory shift, change

(01:17:24):
some of the rules around this to make things go
fast or and not have so many barriers in the way,
then that also seems to be a part I think
of the government strategy this budget. I mean that the
Finance Minister has highlighted that this is all around growth,
So again I think there's now a real expectation there
we'll be wanting to see better growth expectations coming from
the treasury now, because if the government is getting serious

(01:17:46):
about growing growth and they need to get Treasury over
the line, if they can convince the Treasury guys over
the line, then we're definitely back in business.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Good stuff hat. It's always good to talk to you, Brad.
We'll see you there, Brad Olson, Infametrix Principle Principal Economists Spark,
So good day. I suppose if you're holding the old
Sparks shares, good ish day for you because they are
up three percent today, sitting at two dollars twenty five.
Relatively high volumes of trade that has been going on today.
And this will be because there was a story this

(01:18:13):
morning media speculation published here in New Zealand off the
back of some information in Australia. This is in The
Australian's Data Room Market Gossip column that at least two
private equity firms are going over Spark at the moment
and they're considering a buyout proposal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Six twenty one The Rural Report with msd Annimal Health
Home of Sense of Dairy at All Flags Right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Jamie McKay Hosts of the Countries with Me Now hey,
Jamie evening. Ever, so it's becoming more and more apparent,
isn't it that the climate plan is just there are
holes all over this thing and it's not going to work,
is it?

Speaker 25 (01:18:48):
Ah?

Speaker 23 (01:18:48):
Yeah, Well, this story I think I read it on
to be fair. I think it was on Farmers Weekly
this morning, and it was news to me that a
critical part of the government's plan for cutting greenhouse gas
submissions over the next five years appears to have fallen
over because we are a chunk of the government's climate
success rested on a single project which the owner now

(01:19:12):
says probably won't happen because it doesn't stack up commercially
so full. You know, a third of the reductions they
needed between now and twenty thirty were supposed to come
from carbon dioxide being stashed permanently underground in Taranaki at
the Caperni gas field. Caperney's owner, Todd Energy, says the
project as future is uncertain unless it gets some kind

(01:19:36):
of extra incentive or subsidy from the government, something that's
not likely in this week's budget, I wouldn't think. And
apparently carbon capture and storage I was unaware of this
seather you capture it and you store it underground and
reservoirs like empty gas fields, hopefully forever. The several multi
billion dollar projects underway overseas with mixed success, including in

(01:20:00):
Australia that's looking ab bit dodgy at the moment. So
there you go, another one bites the dust.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Well, because you'll be aware that Simon Watts has apparently
been going around and assuring people who are concerned, and
I would suggest the people who are probably most concerned
about this climate plan will be farmers, assuring them that
actually this is just an ambition, right, We're not actually
going to meet these targets. You know about that, am.

Speaker 23 (01:20:23):
Yeah, absolutely, And so we've got this ambition, we've got
these targets, but it would appear to me at this
stage anyhow, if we don't meet them, we get slapped
over the risk With the West Wet bus tickets, I
have them in the first place, Well, they're not going
to be held to account. It seems rather bizarre, and
which leads me on to what's in the budget for

(01:20:43):
the farmers, Heather and I'm saying, hopefully nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
We've moved on.

Speaker 23 (01:20:47):
From the days of the bear and backy budgets from
Rob Muldoon. What farmers don't want, I can tell you
this right away is unrealistic emissions reductions targets that will
only serve to hamstring resector and of course the nation's
economy and the other interesting one Field Day's coming up
next month. I'm expecting here that dairy conversions to be

(01:21:09):
the topic dajour or one of them at field Days.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Interesting. Hey, Jamie, good to talk to you. I really
appreciate it. Thank you so much. I'll bring Jamie mckaye
Host of the Country. I'll get back to the thing
that's been going on with Simon Wats because it does
be it's actually worth me telling you just quickly. Linda Clark,
the lawyer, former tvn Z political editor, is going to
take temporary leave as TV and z's are one of
the board directors at TV and Z because Linda Clark,

(01:21:33):
so she does the board thing, but she also, being
a lawyer, is representing the former Deputy Police Commissioner JEFN
Mcskimming and in that job, she's an illegal fight with
the media companies over whether they can print what that
pawn was on his computer. TVNZ is not part of
the action, but it might be which would present her
conflict of interest. So as a result, she has stepped
off the board. Headline's next.

Speaker 8 (01:21:56):
You no oh care home word.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Years now.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
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Speaker 12 (01:22:16):
Be did you're taking me?

Speaker 26 (01:22:22):
Did you name to the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Joy right Brady, our UK correspondent is going to be
with us in about ten minutes. I'm just on Australia.
The RBA has moved today. As we discussed earlier, all
four major retail banks over there have dropped their rates
as a result. So that's happy days for the Australians,
many more for us to come hopefully as well. Just
on that that business with the climate stuff right in February.

(01:22:46):
This is why from now on I just do not
take this climate stuff seriously at all in terms of
our climate targets right at all, Like when they talk
about it, just go whatever. Because the Climate Change Minister
Simon Watson February told them eating of Wycutt or federated
farmers that he is not going to send any money
overseas to meet the NDC in twenty thirty. Now, basically

(01:23:09):
what that is is that if we don't meet our target,
that's shortfall. Because we're all striving towards something for twenty
thirty and then something for twenty fifteen. If we do
not meet our target, that's shortfall. We have to account
for by planting a lot of trees. But we can't
just plant all those trees in New Zealand. So we
need to plant the trees. And I don't know Brazil
or something like that, but so that means we have
to pay the Brazilians. Let's just say to plant the trees,

(01:23:30):
and that's going to cost us. I can't remember exactly
what it was last time, but let's say it's but
somewhere around the thirty billion dollar mark. Now, nah, we're
not going to do that, are we. And he said
some countries meet the targets and some won't just because
of national circumstance. You have to have the intent to
meet it, and if you don't meet it, no one

(01:23:51):
sends you an invoice. And this was interpreted as an
admission that New Zealand will not hit the twenty thirty
target and will not be sent money offshore. So when
they come at you and they're like, oh, we need
to meet the target, just be like, but you're not
going to, So what's the point in the charade anymore?
And I'll tell you what that is a charade. I'm
very happy to drop. I don't know about you, because

(01:24:11):
I'd like to hold onto my thirty billion dollars twenty
three away from seven.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
Heather due for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
After a huge delay, Aucklands are finally going to get
their updated property valuations. Auckland Council says the new valuations
are going to hit your mbox in the week of
June nine. The last cvs were set during the height
of the house price boom in twenty twenty one, so yeah,
it's going to be a bit of a thing that's
going to happen to your mbox. Property commentator Ashley Churches
with me. Now, hey, Ashley, Hea, why is it taken

(01:24:38):
so long?

Speaker 7 (01:24:40):
The really good question. The last time they were done
was July twenty and twenty one, so coming up four
years they're normally three, so that's quite a bit of
extra time. Having said that, I don't think it's going
to make a heck of a lot of difference to
valuations overall, because they haven't moved all that much in
the past.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Twelve months, haven't they, though, Because I mean, you're hearing
all these yarns about people by houses. For example, we
bought we bought when we moved to Auckland. We bought
a house that was worth We paid less than they
had paid in twenty eighteen for it. You have massive
drops going on, so why wouldn't it reflect that.

Speaker 7 (01:25:12):
So because most of those drops that you're talking about,
so just put that in some context Auckland prices. And
it's really important to understand by the way that when
I talk about Auckland generically it's a bit unsee it
because there's different movements in different parts of the city.
But let's traded as a whole. Auckland prices as a whole.
Most of that drop, which has been about twenty two
percent since it's height in twenty twenty one, happened prior

(01:25:33):
to last year. So last year they kind of tape
it off and just out there. In fact, last year
there was some expectation that they're actually going to climb again,
and they were going to for a while and then
and then of course we had a couple of other
things that hit us, and the market's just wallowed where
it is. But there's indications that slow, indications.

Speaker 14 (01:25:52):
That's going to rise.

Speaker 7 (01:25:53):
But as I say, in the last twelve months hasn't
made much difference. Also worth noting that even though it's
dropped twenty two percent since twenty twenty one, are still
fifteen percent up on where they were five years ago,
so you know, a little bit of good news there.
But it does mean that the valuations that people receive
in July are going to be significantly lower than what
they were in that last valuation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
So what is it going to do in terms of,
like I think everybody's expecting, yay, my rates increase or
the amount that I pay in rates is going to
go down?

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Is it?

Speaker 17 (01:26:21):
Though?

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
No, And this is a really interesting thing because people
don't understand really important to understand that when the whole
point of the RBS is for the council to determine
on average, what it can charge your household by way
of rates to fund the various service as a council
provides to the city. So that amount doesn't change whatever
it is it is. So if there's a decrease in
your valuation and that decreases roughly the same as other

(01:26:44):
houses in your neighborhood, then your rates are going to
stay wherever they would have been anyway. It's not going
to make any difference to them whatsoever. Conversely, if there's
an increase in the increase is consistent with the other
houses in your neighborhood the same appliance. So just because
your rates go down doesn't mean that you're sorry. Just
because your health price doesn't go down and your evaluation
doesn't go down, listen, it doesn't necessarily mean that your

(01:27:05):
rates are going to go down as well. It's to
do with what's happening in the city as a whole,
not what's happening to your individual value, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
What are they actually taking into account? Actually, I mean,
obviously they're taking in into account anything that you do
to add value, like should you add an extra room
or a dowage or a pool or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
But what else, Well, I'm probably the wrong person to
us because I'm quite cynical about the as a tool
for anything other than setting rates. So as a way
of council setting rates, they're a great tool, really good
and relatively in expensive. Wave of councils determining what they
can charge an individual household. It's a way of determining
what your house is worth. I've been of the view
for a long time. They're not much better than toilet paper.

(01:27:41):
And the reason I say that is because nobody comes
to your home. Nobody looks at your innovations, and nobody
looks to see what condition your homes, and nobody looks
to see if you've made an extension to your home.
All they are doing is looking at what your last
valuation was, what the changes in the market have been.
They stick a fewer logarithms than they're based on some
assumptions that they make and volor they come up with
a number, So you know, real estate agents tend to

(01:28:02):
use them as a way of determining what houses are
actually worth. I'm pretty cynical about that because they're really not.
And when you look at what houses are selling for
relative to even fresh Harvey straight after it it's been issued,
they tends to be quite a big disconnect. So I
wouldn't be too concerned about what your v says relative
to what your house is actually worth.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Ashley, it's good to talk to you. Thank you about
you look after yourself. Ashley Church, property commentator, Heather, you
should talk to the Value of General who is responsible
for the delay in the RV's that's a good tip,
thank you. It was delayed by about a year from
what I can see.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Was it a year?

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
It felt like a year anyway. By the way, Nichola
Willis is definitely not going to back off on the
supermarkets like I suggested she should. I've been suggesting it
now for a few working days, but she's not going to.
She says supermarkets are next. She says, once she's dealt
with the budget, she's going to turn her attention to
the supermarket sector. She's met with a bunch of major
supermarket chains and smaller people and now they're putting together

(01:28:58):
the proposals off the back of all of the recommendations,
and then they're going to know what what the next
steps are and then they're going to tell us eighteen
away from seven.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
It's Heather, due to c Ellen with the business hour
and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future,
these talks that'd be Remember how.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Was telling you that somebody was heckling Winston saying your bollocks,
and Winston was saying you look like bollocks. I've got
an update on that for you, so hang on. I'm
going to get to it shortly. It's quarter to seven
in de Brady are UK correspondents with us ainda.

Speaker 10 (01:29:33):
Hey, Heather, I'm loving the language. Wouldn't get away with
that over here?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Well, we get away with a lot worse. You should
go away and google New Zealand C word column and
see what happened a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, that's
wild over here in the entipities.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
I mean, there's a reason they sent us away from
the Motherland because they well can't handle this behavior. Hey,
tell me what you think of this EU deal. Is
it a win?

Speaker 15 (01:29:55):
I think it is.

Speaker 10 (01:29:56):
I think it's very good news. And look for me.
I think it's the end of Little Britain. That experiment
is dead. It has not worked. The people we had
running around saying that this little island in a world
that is so globally connected for trade because of its
history and heritage, that one little island could stand alone
against the world. There aren't too many people nowadays who

(01:30:16):
put their hands up to saying that they voted for Brexit.
It has been an unmitigated catastrophe economically, financially and on
a human level for every person in the UK with
a British passport. So look, Starmer is beginning the process
of Britain rejoining the European Union. I confidently predict within
a decade Britain will be back in Europe and this

(01:30:40):
reset is badly needed. He's doing deal after deal after deal.
We saw India last week, the United States and now
this EU deal. And I think for anyone who has
any doubts, once they get on a plane and land
in Europe this summer on their summer holidays and they're
using the EU eGates and speeding through border control, I
think that is a win for everyone because it's just

(01:31:01):
intolerable at the moment for people with UK passports.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
How do you feel about the situation with Gary Lineka,
because I imagine you're a fan, being a football man.

Speaker 10 (01:31:11):
I count him as a friend. I am a fan
of his work and I think he has done the
right thing. He has spoken out. Look, I make no
bones about the fact that you know he says that
he didn't see the rat emoji on what he put
on Instagram last week. That's for other people to believe
him or judge. All I see is a very kind, compassionate,

(01:31:33):
decent man raising his voice and speaking out at a
time when we've seen fifty five thousand women and children
bomb to bits. Two point four million people in Gaza
are being starved and at risk of famine right now,
nobody can defend what Israel is doing. Yes, Israel has
a right to defend itself. Yes, what happened on October

(01:31:54):
the seventh was appalling. But this has gone on far,
far too long. And Gary Lineker standing up and speaking out.
I have no problem of what he has said. He'll
be a huge loss for the BBC. Yeah, I think
history will judge people who have said nothing. And just
for the record, Heather, I've run two marathons this year
and I've run every kilometer with the Palestinian flag and

(01:32:17):
I will keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I mean, the problem is not so much and I
take your point, and the problem is not so much
that he spoke out about this. It's actually I mean,
if this was just the one thing that he'd done,
he might have escaped the sanction. But he's felt that
he's had to have an opinion on a lot of things,
isn't he?

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:32:33):
And look, an awful lot of people do have opinions
on a lot of things, and they get given radio
programs like yours and others and my TV show.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Yea, because its that's literally their job. But he's the
football guy. That's the problem, isn't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
It he is.

Speaker 10 (01:32:47):
But he's a football guy with a social conscience. And look,
if they want robots, if they want AI presenters, yeah,
that's the way things will go in the future. But
I think he's a big, big loss.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
But now tell me something, because you'll know the detail here.
I've been told that the problem here is actually that
it's a breach of his contract because he signed a
contract that said he was going to stop doing the
social media stuff and then he did it again.

Speaker 10 (01:33:09):
Yes, so look, the director general, what I would say
to him is, never mind about people signing social media
contracts and you can't tweet this and you can't say that.
Hugh Edwards, who left the BBC in utter disgrace, still
owes them four hundred thousand dollars in wages that they
paid him after he was arrested for having child porn
on a telephone. So you know, the BBC just gets

(01:33:31):
itself in all sorts of nuts. Out of all the
people who've left the BBC, Gary Lineker can leave it
with his head held high. He is a phenomenal human being.
Last time I bumped into him the airport a few
months ago, he was on his way to Rome to
receive an International Humanitarian award. That's what they give him
in Italy. In England they give him abuse.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
And it's always good to talk to you. I appreciate
your perspective on things. It's in the Brady, our UK correspondent. Right, sir,
Do you remember how I told you at the start
of the program about Winnie Pee being heckled by old
mate who was like that's bollocks, whinny and when he
was like, you're bot you look like bollocks And then
he was like you're eighty years old now Whennie and

(01:34:12):
he was like, oh you're older than me, mate, and
he was like naf off and no, you naf off?

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
Whennie?

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Do you remember that? Okay? Well, unfortunately our friend had
a lanyard around his neck and that lanyard has been
used to identify that he does in fact work for
a very very very big environmental and engineering consultancy in
the country, and one that I would I would wager

(01:34:37):
probably does a bit of business from time to time
with the government. The head, I'm told just through the
grapevine of said environmental and engineering consultancy, has had to
call Winston Peters to apologize for one of his staffers
with a lanyard around his neck, saying that what he's
saying is bollocks and then saying, also my favorite moment

(01:35:00):
that he licks Donald Trump's butthole. So he needs to
get out of here anyway. So I look, I don't
know if the mate with the lanyard and the potty
mouth is going to he did actually escalate his swearing. Now,
I've got to be honest with you. It wasn't all
just kind of juvenile, because it was a bit at
the very end where I think he might have dropped
an F bomb. I mean, that's okay now, right right,
because because you know, senior reporters drop sea bombs, so

(01:35:22):
what's an F bomb between friends? But maybe this engineering
consultancy's got higher standards than our friends at stuff, and
they've apologized for it, and maybe things will go away now,
which I suspect is what's going to happen. But heads up,
and just a tip to all the boomers out there
and anybody else who wants to do a bit of heckling,
take your work lanyard off, because otherwise, well it was
a boomer ants and it's like an ethically boomer.

Speaker 11 (01:35:46):
I just remember looking at the video and I was like, wow,
that's a lanyard. That's a clearly branded lanyard. Yeah, take
it off. This is I'm not surprised if you're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Do your heckling, take it off, stick it in your
back pocket. Then you do your heckling. Also, maybe cover
your face.

Speaker 11 (01:35:59):
Yeah, well maybe cover your face it we're a bella
clapor and then you know they'll definitely what you approach.
The deputy preaphalist are worrying about.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
You know, we can we can reverse look like, we
can take a photo of you, stick it in the
AI now and go who is this person? They'll find
you and then we'll know who you are. So anyway,
cover your face even better? Idea? How about this? Okay,
don't heckle? Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Yeah, but could you please cap off the day with
Jacinder's speech to remind us of the disaster of the
left wing. You are awesome, thank you. We look we
did the speech yesterday. But today what I was going
to do was I was going to play you some
of the trailer for her movie, which actually, weirdly it
says a lot of the same stuff as her speech does,
Like she references a dumpster fire in the trailer and

(01:37:02):
in the speech, she references her imposter syndrome in the
trailer and in the speech, and I was going to
play and then Laura the Germans said no, absolutely not.
It was enough for everybody yesterday. You're not to do it,
and so I have been told. So I was behaving
myself a little bit of anyway, Thanks for the idea.
You and I think the same. Did you know, by
the way, before I let you go, Netflix has a
bunch of secret codes. So basically what it is is

(01:37:26):
secret codes that can be used to look for specific
genres of movies. If you really love, let's say, vampire
movies or something, you can use this code to find them.
But you can only do it when you're using it
on the browser right, not the app. You can't do
it on your phone, can't do it on your TV,
but you could do it on the laptop. So, for example,
the code for comedy is six five four eight. You

(01:37:47):
don't need to write this down, you could just google it.
Six five four eight. There's codes for musical comedies, dark comedies,
political comedies, satire, screwball, slapstick, deep sea horror movies has
its own code four five zero two eight, Witchcraft in
the Dark arts eight one five five two oh for
six feel good sports movies for ages eight to ten.
Like this is how specific it's getting eight five five

(01:38:10):
nineteen minute movies. That's that's a bit of me. Eight
one four sixty six one ninety four. There's six degrees
of Kevin Bacon has a code eight one six one
four ninety five nine, and then a very demure, very
mindful selection also has its own code eight one nine
three one two three nine. There are thirty six thousand codes.
If you had to look up what would you look up?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
Ants?

Speaker 11 (01:38:29):
Well, I'm just kind of confused. Why the really smart
people at Silicon Valley who run Netflix can't just make
it that I can just search six degrees of Kevin
Bacon into the search bar and then it'll Why do
I have to look up a code and then search
that code? If you have a code that represents a
specific thing, why can't I just search for that thing?

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
And HP point that's a really good point.

Speaker 11 (01:38:47):
I don't know, but yeah, probably, but yeah, probably movies
about dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
It's probably, oh hither, I'm pretty darn and pressed with
ANSWER's knowledge of the dinosaurs. So what does he know
about Winston muzz.

Speaker 11 (01:38:58):
Yes, very good, you get it. Yeah, very nice? Carry on,
Look what Look What You Made Me Do? By Taylor
Swift to play us out tonight here that this is
probably one of the last times on zid Be you'll
hear this version of Look What You Made Me Do?
Because Look What You Made Me Do is off Reputation,
which is one of the two albums of her first
six that she hasn't done a re record of yet.
But the new episode of The Handmaid's Tale just came

(01:39:18):
out in the US and in that there's a scene
with this song, but it's not the song. It's a
new version of this. How do you know that? Well,
because I'm just reading about it on the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
But it sounds exactly the same.

Speaker 11 (01:39:28):
Well no, well this one sounds exactly the same. But
the Taylor Swifties they've all said no, no, that's a
new version. So this is going sign that reputation. The
re release is coming out later to see her. There
you go. But it sounds exactly the same, doesn't you've
heard it?

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
She does the re records, they're exactly the same.

Speaker 11 (01:39:44):
They are not exactly the same. They sound nothing like. Well,
they don't sound nothing alike.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
I thought they were exactly the same. Okay, see tomorrow, Bye,
you do look what you just made me do?

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
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