Full Show Podcast: 21 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spithens to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Egoring.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's Heather Duplicy on Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today
the minister on why he is ditching plans to tax
Google and Facebook. We're going to get an experts take
on how much longer Israel can ignore the international pressure
to let that food into gaza in a significant way,
and our exports are absolutely smashing it. So we're going
to tell you that.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good news, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
So was Tonkin and Taylor Wright to apologize to Winston
Peters for the employee heckling him? Yes, of course they were.
I mean, I don't want to get associated with that
kind of behavior, do they. This guy was wearing a
work lanyard. It clearly identified him as a staffer. I
had after mentioning it on the show yesterday, I had
his name and photo land in my inbox at four
forty one, that is yesterday afternoon, obviously, which is to say,

(00:58):
the reason I'm telling you this is that people it
didn't take people very long to figure out who he
was and who he works for, and if Tonkin and
Taylor had said nothing rightly or wrongly, there would be
people who would assume that they were fine with his behavior,
or perhaps even that they shared his views. So it
was actually a reputational risk for them to remain quiet,
and they were right to publicly distance themselves from him,

(01:20):
and an apology to Winston seems like a perfect, perfectly
reasonable way of publicly distancing themselves from him. I think
it is also perfectly reasonable for them to call old
mate Bollocks into the office and remind him not to
embarrass them when he's wearing a work lanyard. I think
that also seems like a fair thing to do. But
I think that is where it needs to end. I mean,
the Free Speech Union raise some very decent points. He

(01:43):
should not be punished or fired for what he did.
He is entitled to his views. He's entitled to make
a complete dick of himself in his own time if
he wants to, which obviously he did want to do.
His free speech on this matter should be defended, but
so should the free speech of the chief executive who
did like what she saw and wanted to say she
was sorry on behalf of her company. Free speech cuts

(02:06):
both ways.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Ever, dup see Ellen nineteen nine.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Two text number standard text fees apply. Now looks like
we're going to be hit or already being hit by
the problems that we have with shortages of ADHD medication.
What's been going on is that there is a survey
that suggests about one half of people who are actually
prescribed ADHD medication cannot access at the moment. Darren Bull

(02:31):
is the chairperson of ADHD New Zealand and with us. Now,
Hey Darren, hi, Heather, how are you going very well?
Thank you? Apparently people are worried about losing their jobs
if they can't get a hold of this medication. Is
that reasonable?

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, there are some of our members who've taught to
us about the pressure they face without having access to
the medication, and we do hear that. We also hear
stories about people in the university and schools also straggling.
Just to correct their opening statement, we're not saying that
fifty percent or so on medication are missing out. Those

(03:06):
were those who highlighted in our survey how many people
were having problems because of it.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
What's the difference.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
It's just a small symp size. We went through basically
putting a quantitative study around the stories that we're hearing.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah, now, now I'm asking you what's the difference between
what I said and what you said? What's material there?
Because we want to get this right.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
So there are approximately fifty five thousand New Zealanders on medication.
Not all of them are heaving shortages. Those who are
having shortages are the ones that are suffering or right struggling.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Fair enough, Now, what is going on, Darren? Why are
people Why do we have this shortage? Is this a
case of manufacturing dropping off or is it a case
of overprescription going on?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
No, it's manufacturing dropping off. This is a global issue.
It's just not New Zealand that there are particular issues
in the UK and Australia as well. It is supply
chain issues and also issues of some manufacturer stationing challenges
getting the raw material that they might need for their medication.
It's been going on for about a year, so it's

(04:15):
not a new problem.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Is there a case of overprescription as well?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Look, certainly there is an increase in demand worldwide with
ADHD medication and if you talk to ADHD UK in particular,
they talk about the increase in woman seeking medication in
New Zealand. There was a Tiger University research which came
out last year in the New Zealand Medical Journal which
highlighted a huge treatment gap in New Zealand where apo

(04:44):
point six percent of the adult population was receiving treatment
for ADHD. But we estimate that two point six percent
of adults with ADHD might need help. So it is
really hard to get a diagnosis. So we don't think
it's over prescribed or over if you like it easier.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, how bad is it these people who are getting
it from their mates and getting it on the black
market and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, so I'm talking to a community that doesn't seem
to be a problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist,
but we have little evidence of that. I hasten to
add it's illegal and if you do have a shortage,
you can't get the medication you need. Your first port
of core needs to be your chief.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
I just just got a text from Ben that says
my neighbors just got raided by the cops for selling
their ADHD ritz meds. Twenty dollars a pill. Is the
going rate? Is that right?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Some I haven't heard that. I'm surprised about that, and
surely the police have other things to look at.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, No, you won't know, Darren, you won't know about that.
Is twenty dollars a pill the going rate.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
No, I haven't heard that at all, that at all.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, all right, Darren, thanks very much, really appreciate it,
Darren Bull chairperson ADHD and said, I won't name any names,
but I will say that there are people near and
dear to me diagnosed themselves with ADHD and they're getting
the pills from their friends and then taking it and
saying it's making their life really awesome. Yeah, we'll just

(06:11):
leave it at that. So it's definitely happening out there,
and I think it's happening at quite a rate judging
by what I'm hearing. Anyway. Elon Musk now Elon Musk
has decided that he's going to dial back how much
he spends on his political donations. He's speaking to an
economic conference and Qatar, and he said he had done enough.
He said, if I see a reason to do political
spending in the future, I will do it. I do

(06:32):
not currently see a reason. Probably why he doesn't see
a reason as because he's really achieved his aims. He
spent more than four hundred and twenty three million dollars.
That's New Zealand, basically half a bill on getting Trump
in Trump's and what more is there to do?

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Fourteen past four it's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full
Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb Sports
Talk Hoosters with me, Hello Dars, Hello Heather.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
I miss you already. I'm sitting in you world chair,
the dogs on the couch.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I did you know what? Okay? So I'm I'm obviously
and did you know that I was in Wellington?

Speaker 7 (07:06):
Darcy, Well, you're not here. I was presuming there's a
budget coming out, so I suppose you'd migrate down to
the halls of powder talking about it makes sense you.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Were already here to just keeping our place for budget tomorrow.
But I did say to everybody, don't let Darcy touch
any of the buttons in that studio because I'm connected remotely,
so don't touch hands off. Please wait to turn my
mic on, Heather. Apart from that, I cannot believe that
the Super Rugby officials have admitted that they got it
wrong on the field with that blinking try in the

(07:36):
Muana pacifica game.

Speaker 8 (07:37):
It's a brave new world, isn't it. These guys for
doing this, what doing what well for saying that we
made a mess and we'd been a look at this
Because it was a mess. It slowed the whole game down.
It took nearly a couple of minutes. Look, Hardie Save,
I thought he knew it was going on. The referee
and the touch judges, they thought they knew it was

(07:59):
going on. The third official, fourth officiality you call them
up on the box, he thought he knew what was
going on. None of them knew what was going on.
So the mistake was made.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
And what it says about the new laws, because they've
changed a bit since the World Cup final back in
the day, is that if I talked Elliott Smith about that,
the commentator at the time he didn't know what was
going on either. So if you've got a captain of
a team, a brilliant all Black, a referee who's got
international experience, a two touch judges, a TMO and a

(08:31):
commentator who don't know what's going on, there is a problem.

Speaker 9 (08:34):
With your law.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
So sort it out. So they put their hand up
and they're going to go to World Rugby or maybe
just do it themselves.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Let's get to the nitty gritty here. So what happened
was actually that so that try was disallowed in the
fifty fifth minute because old mate who's running up the wing,
he had put his foot into the on the line.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
Right correct, They got missed.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
Actually they've got missed.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Okay, fine, But which means and they counted that as
part of the attacking phase. But what they failed to
take into account was between that foot on the line
and the try fifty two seconds later, there was actually
a brief turnover of possession where the Blues took hold
of the ball, in which case the attacking phase starts
after that, which means that that foot on the line
should never have disqualified the try. It was not part

(09:20):
of the attacking phase. And that's what is talking about
this question to you, this is my question to you.
If old mate sitting in the box upstairs, the TMO
is going to go back through every single bit of
that phase and go all the way back to fifty
two seconds and see the trick. Why did he not
see the change in possession?

Speaker 7 (09:37):
Well, I think the problem is with this law is
it's in two parts. It's around when the transgression took place,
at what stage in the build up, and how it's applied.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
He either doesn't know the rules, Darcy, or he didn't
see the change in possession.

Speaker 7 (09:55):
No, he would have seen that. I believe from talking
to other people around it that the the rules are
a bit convoluted when it comes to the stoppage and
when the infringement occurred and what infringement it actually was.
So there was nothing really definitive. It was an odd situation,
but they didn't know. They couldn't handle it. And all

(10:15):
I can say is thank goodness I didn't.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Mouse down seat. I opened the show with this on
Monday because it frustrated me so much. I got a
lot of text saying, shut up, you don't know anything
about rugby because you're a girl. Can you beat me
your time?

Speaker 8 (10:28):
I'm not a girl, Okay?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Can you back me up on this? Though? If the
refs themselves cannot understand the rules, then how the hell
are we as fans supposed to understand the rules? Therefore,
the rules are dumb and need to be whittled right down.

Speaker 7 (10:43):
If this has been the case right from the start, Matilla,
I think about that there's a rule in rugby. I
think it's low ten dot four slash two and you
know what it says, the referees decision is the last word.
That's it, and you want to go right the way
that you can go. Well, the referee actually said that's
the case, so we just got to run with it.

(11:03):
If you want to be really pedantic, he's got the
final say or she has got the final say, so
you cann argue all you want.

Speaker 11 (11:10):
But if you go picked.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
Through the the minute of the law book, you'll find
that and go, oh, the riff can do it they want.
I mean, it's a street to argue that, but it's
in there.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
At the moment.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
I don't hate rugby this season, Heather de plus yell,
and there's been astonishingly good.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I wouldn't know because I've had a guts full and.

Speaker 12 (11:32):
You got to watch.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Got to give it a new start.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
I mean, come on, you've got to what's so what
happens when they get a new leader of a political
party You got to had it with that political party,
or you give them a chance to maybe reshape, reform
and starts the hook.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'll tell you what. If you want a political analogy
phone is off the hook right now with rugby, because
rugby has got terrible rules, just like a party that's
got terrible policies.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Change, breakdown and the turnover, Amze. The game is on
fire right now. Hither you are an army of one
right now.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Oh you are bollocks.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Watch the game and come back to me any game
in fact, Watch Ardie Savia in that game and tell
me this game is bollocksing.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Okay, thanks Darca Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk cost seven o'clock tonight. Bollocks.
You nap off, No, you nap off. If you don't
know what I'm talking about, go back and watch the Heckler,
then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Four twenty two getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

Speaker 4 (12:35):
That'd be four twenty four.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Heather.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think you're both missing the point. The actual rule
is then that he put his foot in touch and
yet it should have been a try. That's nuts. No, Daniel, no, no, no, no, no,
you're not understanding. Listen to me. What happened is there's
a little mate running up. This is from Onona PACIFICA
player running up the field on this side puts his
foot into touch right. Then fifty two seconds later the

(12:59):
try at the other into the field happens and is
disqualified because he put his foot into touch. But what
happens in between this is the actual sequence. That's what
they thought happened. What actually happened was is running up
the side of the field, he puts his foot into touch.
They passed the ball. They passed the ball, the Blues
get the ball. There's a moment where the Blues have
possession of the ball and then onea Pacifica gets the

(13:22):
ball back and then it carries on and they passed
the ball, to pass the ball, to kick the ball,
they score the try. Right that fact, that's why the
try should have been allowed because because what the foot
on the touch was not part of the attacking phase.
The attacking phase only starts when they get the ball
back from the blues. Oh my goodness, how are we?

Speaker 12 (13:40):
Why?

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Why are we having this discussion? Because the rugby rules suck?
My bad? Hither you got to write too right? Thank you.
That's the text from old mate who on Monday sent
me a text and said, sy stick to politics because
I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes
to rugby. Now you eat your words. I appreciate it.
I like you again. Hither I'm with you. It's awful.
Hither it's like watching paint drying with you. Hither go

(14:01):
you rock. Rugby is crap. Rugby's in the drill rooms.
Forever there we go. We don't even need to talk
about that anymore. So Rugby sucks. So the government has
ditched the Digital Services Tax Bill. Now this is news
that came out yesterday and it's been like very late
in the day and it's been something of a discussion today.
What it means, basically is that the government is not

(14:21):
going to try to make Google and Facebook and all
of the other tech companies pay more tax in New Zealand.
There was a potential that it could have pulled in
one hundred billion dollars, which sounds one hundred million dollars.
I think it is actually sounds awesome. But the problem
was that bill has been I mean I remember talking
to Stu Nash about that when he was the Revenue Minister,

(14:42):
and that must have been like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen something.
It's just been sitting there. It was never ever gonna
happen because it's impossible. It's impossible to do and so
eventually Simon Watts has just finally pulled the trigger on
it and got rid of it. What's given him permission
to do it, basically, is that Donald Trump has threatened
retaliation to when he comes that does that, And there
have been claims about overseas extortion and stuff like that.

(15:03):
So we have a little chat to Simon Wat's the
Revenue minister after five o'clock. Heather, if that Heckler was
on the pay at the time, he should be sacked. Okay, listen,
all he did was he swore a little bit at
winnipe and he said he was bollocks and old. There
have been worse things that have been done in the
last week. I mean, we had a stuff columnists call

(15:24):
a cabinet minister. Cabinet minister is the sea word, and
we've had one MP point gun fingers at another minister.
So this is on the low level, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Headlines next putting the challenging questions to the people. At
the heart of the story, it's Heather Duplicy, Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs that'd
be in the back.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Guy who love your week?

Speaker 13 (15:53):
Baby?

Speaker 14 (15:55):
Was that.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
You realize that ADHD medication is being used by women
who want to lose weight. No, not at all, but
thanks for the tip. Okay. So Nichola Willis has has
done the thing that it always happens the day before
the budget and she's taken the press gallery off to
the printers and Potoni and they've got the old budget.
You're not allowed to open the budget, but you're allowed
to look at the outside of it. Got the outside

(16:19):
of it out and they've had a look at it
and it is bing for the second year in a row.
And I love it. It's basically just white. It's white.
It's got a couple of stripes of color, and it's
got black writing on it and that's it. And you
know what, I love it. I love I love it
because do you remember how Grant got completely obsessed with
taking photos bile He that's hanging out the side of

(16:40):
a chopper and I look at my beautiful photo, and
then you know what, and then he puts it on
the budget. And I was always like, Grant, if you
could just spend as much time on actual finances of
the country as you do on your iPhones photos to
be really handy anyway. So I feel like Nikola is
putting the focuses focus, focus, and emphasis. It's made a

(17:01):
new word, focus and emphasis back where it belongs. We're
going to talk to Jason Walls about that when he's
with us in ten minutes time. Right now, it's twenty
four away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's the World Wires on News Talks Eddy Drive.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Donald Trump has announced plans to put weapons in space
for the first time in American history. Space based interceptors
will form part of the two hundred and ninety billion
dollar that's New Zealand dollar Golden Dome defense system that
Trump wants to build to protect the continental US from
missile attacks.

Speaker 15 (17:27):
We have officially selected an architecture for this state of
the art system that will deploy next generation technologies across
the land, sea, and space, including space based sensors and interceptors.
And Canada has called us and they want to be a.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Part of it.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Over to Australia. More details have come out about that
coalition split National's leader David Little Proud told Laura Jayson
Sky News that the Liberal Party refused to accept four
of his party's critical policy demands.

Speaker 16 (17:56):
The National Party should not have to walk away from
what would change the lives of the people we represent.

Speaker 17 (18:02):
Is this just a game of chicken?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
No, this is a matter of principle.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
And finally, Pitper Peg has a new sister, baby sister,
the news broke on Good Morning Britain on ITV, named.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
After Mummy pigs aunt Evie.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
She was born at five point thirty four am this morning, thankfully,
just in time to watch her first ever Good Morning Britain.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Ev Pig will feature in the upcoming ninth season of
Pepper Pig.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
International Correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Jen Mitchenson US Correspondents with US Eloden hell or Heather.
You people get Pitper Pig over there in the US.

Speaker 16 (18:42):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 18 (18:42):
I don't think it's as big as it is in
other parts of the world in Europe, but I'm glad
to see that the family has expanded by wine.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, no, you don't want it because it's like crack
cocaine for the kids. Like they stopped watching it after
five minutes and their eyes are spinning. It's not good
at all. There's much more, it's much more relaxing things
they can watch now explains something to me. How is
it that Joe Biden did not have at his age,
did not have a PSA for eleven years.

Speaker 18 (19:08):
That's a good question, because I'll tell you this is
a very common type of cancer and it can grow
fast without people displaying symptoms. Ironically, I just came back
yesterday and had blood work done for my PSA test
because cancer runs in the family, and so I've been
told a few years ago that I need to have

(19:28):
this tested more often and earlier in life. So it's
people in their forties and fifties, not seventies and eighties.
So I think that's one of the questions. And we
heard President Trump said, you know, how was this let
you know, to go on for so long without him
checking about it? And he says, I think we need
to find out what happened. Well, do we really need
to know what happened? I mean, he's in his early eighties,
and you know it's his medical issue right now. But

(19:51):
that is that is something I think people are curious
about that he hasn't had this done since twenty fourteen.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Hey, how's this news going down that the COVID jeb's
not going to be free for people anymore or for
most people anyway.

Speaker 18 (20:02):
Well, I think everybody's trying to figure out what's going
on here and what they're trying to do. And you know,
we are seeing more cases of COVID back here, I
mean with colleagues and around the state right now in
the Food and Drug Administration and saying, okay, let's focus
more on older Americans now, those that are more at risk,
which will be sixty five and above and younger as well.
So I think this is going to involve clinical trials,

(20:22):
and it sounds like they're going to try to change
the direction for the FDA on how they decide their
recommendations at this point in time and not just sort
of give anybody and everybody these these jabs. So they're
saying maybe one hundred million, maybe two hundred million Americans
that are considered a high risk are still going to
have access to the vaccines, but those that are younger
may have to go through a little bit more paperwork,

(20:44):
or maybe the doctor is going to have to ask
a few more questions before they just say right here,
you go go take.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
It care not fine? Is that what you do with
every other jab? You do that with the flu jab,
you do it with all the other stuff.

Speaker 18 (20:55):
I think it really is up to everybody. I mean
I never used to ever get the flu jab until
about four or five five years ago, and it just
became so bad that I thought the flu was actually
worse than when I got COVID because it took me three.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Years to get That's why you thought it, because yes.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, and it was.

Speaker 18 (21:11):
I had had the flu and I don't know how long.
But boy, once you get it, it's like shingles. You
don't want to get shingles again, so you go and
get the shingles vaccine.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Totally. I lay there when I had the flu one time.
I think I've only had it twice in my life,
but I lay there going, oh, now I understand why
people die from this. This is intense.

Speaker 12 (21:27):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Did you were you a big fan of Cheers?

Speaker 18 (21:31):
I was talking to your producer Laura. Yes, I am
a huge Cheers fan, and I was actually really emotional
when I heard about George went and why do we
get like this when these are people that we have
never met in person, who we really don't have any
interaction with except through our television set. But I mean,
he was in a lot of movies and shows, but
Cheers plain norm is his you know, iconic role. I mean,

(21:53):
here's here's one of the clips from the show.

Speaker 19 (21:55):
I am no longer in the employer of Goldstein, Bornman
and Power Kurmi.

Speaker 20 (22:00):
I discovered that so.

Speaker 19 (22:01):
Called medical corporation was a polite term for den of thieves.
They're in the business of cheating on taxes. Oh yeah,
so you resigned in protest. Uh huh, Well, I took
a long lunch in the candy.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I mean his call. He was seventy six.

Speaker 18 (22:18):
His cause of death wasn't announced. They found him in bed, apparently.
And this was a show that was kind of like
mash was over here. It took a couple of seasons
to get going, but then it was appointment television. And
it just kills me that your your producer had to
rub it into me and say, oh, I was only
one year old when that show ended, So should I
go back and start watching it. I'm like, yes, you

(22:39):
should go back and start wing.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Know how old you were.

Speaker 13 (22:44):
It was.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Were you going to say something else about it?

Speaker 18 (22:49):
No?

Speaker 20 (22:49):
I was just going to say it was.

Speaker 18 (22:50):
It was just one of those shows that I think
really kind of brought the country together back before streaming
and everybody could just record something. You know, you had
to be there a nine o'clock on a Thursday night
and then you talk about it the next day at work,
you do on a Friday in the office. And we
don't have a lot of shows like that anymore because
everybody can watching they want.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
They're all nostalgia. Okay, even remember the time I went,
all right, Dan, thank you very much, go and enjoy yourself.
That's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent. I could tell. I could
just tell he wasn't finished reminiscing about that. A By
the way, actually, can I say I have we need
to discuss Shit's Creek? At some stage I think, well,
I don't have time for it right now. But I

(23:27):
have been very unkind about Shit's Creek. And then when
I was a maternity leave, I found out had a
lot of time. So I decided to, you know, finish
all six seasons and it gets got a like, it
gets really good. I definitely was unfair. What about the
bit where Alexis does her song A little bit of Lexus.
I've watched it about thousand times. It's brilliant. Anyway, listen,
I've got some rare good news for you on the
business front. Our exporters are absolutely smashing it. Our trade

(23:50):
surplus last month was one point four billion dollars. Now
that compares to a deficit of twelve million dollars last April.
And only four times have we struck a monthly surplus
over one billion dollars. The two most recent were in
twenty twenty. So things are doing well. And what it is,
It often happens in April because there's an overlap of
the dairy and the food fruit industry seasons. But also

(24:13):
it's basically you know that butter that you're paying for
and you're resenting the price of butter, and that's what's
helping us on this. But so it's making us quite
a lot of money as a country. We'll do politics now.
Oh and I do need to say we are going
to talk actually about this with Export New Zealand, just
to really savor the moment in about half an hour's time.
But anyway, next we'll do politics at sixteen away.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
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Speaker 4 (24:43):
Jason, are you there?

Speaker 14 (24:45):
I am Hello?

Speaker 21 (24:45):
Oh you ah?

Speaker 22 (24:46):
You for a second, hello hello, Okay.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
So what's going on here? Is Winston just relaxed about
what happens to this heckler or is he actually going
for him?

Speaker 22 (24:54):
Well he doesn't see, he says publicly he doesn't really
care what happens, and it's up to Tompkin and Taylor
when it comes to sort of deciding the fate of
this individual. If you are unclear about what Heather and
I are talking about. This was the exchange that Winston Peters,
the Deputy Prime Minister, had with a member of public
yesterday at a Wellington at Wellington's railway station.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Bollocks.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Load of would have like, what's gone up in the mirror? Sunshine?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
You look like you like Bollock's mate, Sunjoint Even.

Speaker 22 (25:26):
It's just every time I listened to it, I'm like,
that's our deputy prime minister and some random dude at
a train station.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's it's just, it's very fine.

Speaker 22 (25:34):
I should have checked if I'm allowed to say the
word bollocks on radio before I played that, but anyway,
too late. And this member of the public, he was
wearing a Tomkin and Taylor Lanyard at the time an
the smartest thing to do in this age where everything
is being filmed. Now, it might have just flown under
the radar if it wasn't for the fact the person
that he was having a crack at was one with

(25:54):
Winston Raymond Peters. In an interview with Hosking this morning,
Winston really dug in saying that he wouldn't feel bad
for the man who was heckling him if he lost
his job. Now heading out of the house today, Winston
was pretty unapologetic.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
But on the personal free speech now it filthy fell
expleted leaden vitriol is not free speech and if you
think it is, you guys got a new standard.

Speaker 22 (26:19):
And Liz, I do have to disagree with him here.
It doesn't matter what you're saying. It's still free speech.
So it can be as dirty as you want, as
long as what you're saying is you know you have
the right to say it. I think you know the
more you're not free from consequences, rather than you can
say what you want. But the Prime Minister wasn't particularly
worried about it either.

Speaker 23 (26:37):
Oh look, I mean as Winston and he's been operating
in Parliament for forty something years.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
He's got a different style, but yeah, he's a very
affictive politician.

Speaker 24 (26:46):
He's a very afficted leader.

Speaker 25 (26:47):
Now.

Speaker 22 (26:47):
I don't know how many times I've heard the Prime
Minister say, oh, it's Winston being Winston so far into
this term, but I think we're getting up there. I'm
gonna have to start counting on more than two hands.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Now do we actually know what?

Speaker 21 (26:58):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (26:59):
The thing is, from what I can understand, Tomkin and
Taylor have apologized to Winston and they are conducting an
investigation into I suppose a breach of the code of
conduct policy anything else. Any Is there actually any suggestion
that anything else is going to happen to this guy?

Speaker 22 (27:15):
Well, I mean, I guess, looking at it kind of objectively,
he has brought the company into a bit of disrepute.
I mean this has now been played across z B
on stuff on New Zealand Herald, all sorts of media
outlets and of course the news channels as well. So
I mean, you know there's there could be some course
of action there. But you know, without being that familiar
with Tomkin and Taylor's code of conduct, I can't tell you.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
All right, So it's obviously becoming a strategy for Nicola
right to print budgets with really boring covers to kind
of underscore that this is her job and this is
the only thing she's interested in, not the frelea stup.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
Yeah, well, I was.

Speaker 22 (27:49):
Grant robertson when because we go to these things right
every year, the day before the budget where they take
us out to the printing press and they hold up
the budget and then we all say what's in the
budget and they say you have to wait one more
sleep nine of them now, so I'm a bit of
an expert in them. But they're not glossy like they
were in the previous years. There isn't some photo of
some family smiling or some lovely picturesque landscape. It just

(28:10):
has the boring sort of estimates of the appropriation of
budget twenty twenty five, twenty six. But you know, Nikola
Willis has been throwing around this no BS budget. She
is not really telling us what the BS stands for.
But one of the things is it's not a bubblet
budget surplus budget. I can tell you that much because
we won't be seeing one of those for this financial year. Tomorrow,

(28:33):
but she did have a bit of a preview for us.
When we're talking to her today and my very.

Speaker 26 (28:37):
First press release, you'll see how much savings we have
delivered from pay equity and how we've allocated that to
our operating and capital allowances and what we're investing that,
and I can give you a preview. Those savings are
being invested in education services and better health services, more
funding for our police, rebuilding New Zealand's to feel capability.

Speaker 22 (29:01):
So we'll find out more about that tomorrow. But in
the House today, Nikola Willis was channeling a little bit
of John Key when she was talking about Labour's proposals
to the budget.

Speaker 26 (29:10):
If they keep committing to every single spending then this
is the question now that he paced with, show me
the money.

Speaker 22 (29:20):
And you'll remember Nikola Willis actually worked in John Key's
office when he delivered this line during the twenty eleven
debate with then Labor leader Phil Goff.

Speaker 12 (29:28):
Does show me the money, show me the money.

Speaker 22 (29:32):
I got to Nikola. She wasn't done. She got a
closing lick in on the Green Party during her general
debate speech by taking a crack at their alternative budget and.

Speaker 26 (29:41):
Jesspra thought also for Chloe's Wolbrick. She wants to save
a planet that she doesn't even live.

Speaker 22 (29:46):
On, so she was in full flight today.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
That's actually good.

Speaker 24 (29:51):
Hey, thank you.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Jason appreciated Jason Wall's news dogs he'd be politically to hate.
Bumped into Mark Mitchell today. I'm gonna tell you about that.
Next away from five, putting.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 23 (30:04):
Breakfast, Winston Peters is well, as my understanding is the
Golden Visa's working in the res interest. The Prime Minister
told us on Monday that you had discussions and they
came up to five or six million dollars next to
no houses in this country as sold at five or
six million dollars. Let them buy a place, invest in
the country and get.

Speaker 16 (30:19):
On with it.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
We have not got that bridge of view and the
Prime Minister should not be discussing out negotiations with you.

Speaker 23 (30:25):
Well, all I did was asking a question as to
what the hold up? And you set the hold up
to you and you're having a negotiation. I just don't
understand the logic. I get your logic around say two million.
I understand that I'm time to run a radio program
in the country, for God's sake. But this seems to
me that you're not far apart.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Why can't you sort it and just get on with it?

Speaker 23 (30:40):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
It's five away from five. Just really quickly on what's
going on in Gaza.

Speaker 13 (30:50):
Now.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
If you've been following the situation with Garza, you'll know
it's getting to something of a well it's been a
humanitarian crisis for a while, but it is really getting
quite seria right now. The doctors have been warning that
unless food gets and there are gonna be babies dying
all over the show and stuff like. It's just not
enough food anyway. Winston Peters has signed basically a declaration

(31:11):
calling on Israel to let those trucks in. He's done
it with twenty three other countries and he's very serious
about this once to see, it's not symbolic. It is
about actually getting some action. Eight trucks are slowly starting
to trickle into Gaza. We're gonna have a little chat
to the Sky News correspondent over there in that part
of the world and just find out exactly what's going on,
whether this pressure is enough actually to get some action

(31:31):
taken now four away from five. So in Wellington, right,
So I go to the airport today in Auckland, and
I go into the COREW club and in the Coraw
Club there are all of these little girls wearing exactly
the same outfit. Like it's not a school uniform. It's
like it's like a pink like a full pink outfit

(31:51):
with like very unicorn vibes on it. It's about five
there were actually five of them. There were five of them,
all clearly sisters, like maybe eight years and and so on.
And then there was another baby around the place and stuff,
and I saw them because it's hard to miss all
the pink kids running around anyway. Then I look up
and there's Mike Mitchell. So I say to Mark Mitchell, look,
aren't these guys cute? And he goes there with me

(32:12):
and I said to him, what's going on here? And
he said their dad, He said, I bumped into them
out in the corn course. It's mum and Auntie and
grandma and the five girls and a little baby boy.
And he bumped out, bumped into them out on the
concourse and found out that in fact what's going on
his dad is graduating from the Police College tomorrow, so
they're flying down to Wellington.

Speaker 12 (32:32):
So do you know what this is?

Speaker 4 (32:33):
This is if you ever wondered whether Mark Mitchell is
as lovely in person as he is on the radio,
and I can testified it because I actually know him
reasonably well. He is that lovely. So he got all
of them into the Coral Club, talked to the ladies
at there in New Zealand, got them into the Coral Club,
and then he carried their bags onto the plane, helped
them get on the plane, and then afterwards help them

(32:55):
get off the plane again. Because you can imagine like
Mum and Auntie and Granny with six cas, that's a
lot to wrangle. Mark Mitchell's there to help them out.
So what a decent bloke. I mean, how about setting
the example for the rest of us A anyway, I
thought you should know that that's what he's like. Simon
Wat's Revenue Minister.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Next questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

(33:35):
New Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Hey, good afternoon. The government has which the Digital Services
Tax Bill. This means they're not going to try to
make Google and Facebook's own a meta and various other
tech companies pay more tax than New Zealand. Simon Watts
is the Revenue Minister. High Simon Hey, very good afternoon.
Hither so did the Trump administration put you off?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Look?

Speaker 16 (33:57):
Ats a fecta that we took into account. Obviously the
recent developments that have been going on, including those in
the US, have naturally formed part of our assessment.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
But at the end of the day, I took a
look at this tax.

Speaker 16 (34:08):
We've been looking at it a bit, and it's got
some real drawbacks and we've made the decision to pull
it from their gender.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Did Trump administration talk to you guys one on one
or are you just reading the tea leaves from comments
they've made.

Speaker 16 (34:22):
No, they're no discussion one on one on this specific matter.
But you know, the reality is as you would expect.
You know, we're taking a look naturally at all of
the factors going on. I think the thing about this
tax is it's got a number of drawbacks. It doesn't
actually tax profit, it actually tax income or losses. So
a company could actually be in losses and be still
subject to the tax. UK put in place this in

(34:45):
twenty twenty and what they found is actually the tax
has got passed on to consumers. And you know that's
a big issue for us in the cost of living crisis.
And you know, I had a number of concerns on
the actual underlying drawbacks of the tax, but it's a
big number on our now P and L, and hence
we wanted to make sure we kick the tires on
that before we pulled it. The other big thing is

(35:06):
actually in April the OECD grouping of countries, which about
one hundred and forty countries, have made an agreement to
support a multilateral solution. I'm watching New Zealand's part of
and our viewer is that's a better way to progress
on that, and so that work's going to probably pick
up in the next months to year to come and
hopefully brings a much more enduring solution to this problem.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
I think it's actually going to happen, though, I mean,
because multilateral things hardly ever actually bear fruit.

Speaker 16 (35:32):
Well, it is hard to say, right, I mean, you're right.
The chipneys are challenging and ongoing conversations. But as I said,
you know, the one hundred and forty countries did make
a call in April of this year to say, hey.

Speaker 18 (35:42):
We're going to work on it.

Speaker 16 (35:43):
The technical works actually all been done. It's now ready
for the countries to get some agreement on it. That's
a lot better than where it was in the past.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
I mean, do we just need to accept that. Look,
we'd all love to tax Google and Facebook, but probably
just never will be able to.

Speaker 16 (35:57):
Well, look, the reality is, you know it might sound good,
but those that tax is going to get passed on
to consumers. So whether you're using Amazon or you're using
Door Dashed auto your food, you know, those text are
going to flow through to consumers. And this goverment's really
focused on making sure that we're not putting more costs
on New Zealanders and this is one example of us

(36:19):
taking that pressure off in the future.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Out of ten, what are the chances of power cuts
next winter?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
God, next winter?

Speaker 16 (36:27):
Although that's a bit you know, that's I think they're
pretty low in the context of where we are. But
I am worried about energy security. Obviously my main focus
is this winter, and obviously.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
This winter we seem to be. Okay, it's next winter
that's the problem.

Speaker 16 (36:41):
Yeah, but we've done a lot of actions to make
sure that this winter wasn't you know, coming into this
job back in January, this winter was at risk and
we've got a number of actions and around you know, Stockpilot,
Huntley and all of that. But yeah, next year it
remains at risk. But I'm working pretty hard with all
of the players in the market to make sure we're
mitigating that risk as much as I can. And it's
a major it is my priority in the energy portfolio.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, good stuff, Simon, thanks very much, appreciate it. Simon,
Wat's Revenue Minister and obviously Energy Minister will come back
to that in the tickets eleven past five either do.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
For c L.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Look, it's unclear if AID is reaching the starving people
of Gaza. Only five trucks have been let in following
international pressure, but soldiers are holding up the distribution of
the food, Israeli soldiers. Obviously. Our Foreign Minister Winston Peters
is amongst twenty four foreign ministers and leaders now reaching
the end of their patients with Israel. Alistair Buncle is
Sky News's Middle East correspondent based out of Jerusalem Alistair, Hello.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Is the food getting to people?

Speaker 9 (37:39):
No, in a simple word, it's not. Israel started allowing
AID trucks in about thirty six hours ago, and some
have gone in. It's like confusing exactly how many, but
possibly even as much as ninety trucks have managed to
enter Gaza. But the UN and I haven't had an
update this morning the morning time here in Jerusalem, haven't

(38:01):
hadn that bit this morning, but the UN says that
none of it's yet reached Gazans. Now that'd be a
multitude of factors, but mainly because the fighting is ongoing
and these AID trucks need to be given safe passage.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Is the pressure that is mounting on Israel enough to
force it to actually in this humanitarian crisis and get
the food to the people.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
It's a really good question. I mean, certainly pressure has
forced Israel to end its siege of Gaza or be
it you know, as we've just discussed, you know, in
a very limited way. But pressure has forced Israel to
allow some aid back into Gaza. That's that's for sure.
And I think that's many pressure from the Americans, will
pressure from you know, foreign Minister statements like that of

(38:47):
your country, the United Kingdom where I'm originally from, France,
et cetera. Will that make a difference. Will will the
statements by Kissed Armor and Emmanue Macrol? Yes, they make
a difference. I'm not convinced. I still retain the belief
that the only person who really has genuine leverage and
influence over Benny Minesnia who is Donald Trump. And at

(39:11):
the moment, well, at least in public, and there's some
suggestions that in private they've become very frustrated with the
Israeli government. But at the moment, in public, the White
House is not prepared to change its course.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Surely this has reached a point where with this cannot continue, Alis,
I mean, surely this is too far, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (39:28):
Well, I think a lot of people probably think we,
you know, the war reached that point quite a long
time ago. Certainly, the renewed defensive and the escalated offensive
that the Israelis are now conducting, coupled with the fact
that Gars has been under siege for not far off
three months now, has changed opinions in the international political

(39:54):
and diplomatic world quite considerably. Now, you know, We'll see
whether people follow through on threat. We'll see whether or
not the EU in Britain and others do take out
sanctions against Israel, because that would be the next stage.
But yeah, I think there is a feeling that Israel
has gone too far this time. And what I should
say is someone who has lived and reported on the
region for the last four years or so, I've noticed

(40:17):
that change in Israel as well. There are many Israelis,
probably the majority of Israelis if I'm guessing, who think
that this is the wrong course of action right now,
is not the best way to get their hostages out.
There is a political dynamic to it for Nettiyahu's own
political reasons, and they are opposed to it and the

(40:37):
damage that it's doing on their nation's reputation internationally.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
All right, Alistair, thanks very much. He is hoping for
a resolution. There's Alister Buncle, Middle East correspondent for Sky.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
News here the duplessy Ellen on the electricity thing.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I was just talking to Simon what's about. What's going
on is that, as he says, there has been an
effort to shore up our electricity supply for this winter,
and it looks like it has worked and there's been rained,
that's filled up the hydro dams and so on. But
next winter looks like it could be a problem all
over again because a couple of things are going to
come offline, which normally would provide electricity for US contact
energies Tananaky combined cycle gas fired rankin early next year

(41:17):
that comes off and then there is also a rank
and there are three rankings at Huntley. One of them
is going to go into retirement potentially next year as well.
What that probably means in simple terms is we continue
to demand electricity they cannot supply enough. We have problems
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(42:23):
Nineteen past five. Just reminder, just a reminder that you
are listening to me from Wellington. This is where we are.
We are in Wellington, got it here a day early.
That's how excited we are about the budget. We are
here for the budget tomorrow, so we will be all
over it. And Nikola Willis has just confirmed you will
be in studio with us in Parliament at five minutes
past five Tomorrow's put that in your diary. It's nineteen

(42:44):
past five right now.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Our exports are smashing it. We just had a trade
suplus come in for last month one point four billion dollars.
That's the first time we've topped the billion dollar mark
in five years. Joshua Tan from Export New Zealander is
with us a Joshua.

Speaker 25 (42:57):
Good afternoon, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Is this I'm well, thank you. Is this down to
the price of butter?

Speaker 25 (43:01):
Well, I think there's a few different things here and
the result comes on the back of strong performances across
the food and beverage sector. Dairy is up, fruit is
up by about two hundred and sixty five million dollars,
red meat is also up about two hundred and seventy
million dollars, and logs and wood exports are up one
hundred and forty one million dollars. So from our perspective
as a team effort from the food and fiber sector.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Are you trying to avoid talking about the butter no
stor read Joshua, it's a good news story. I mean,
look at what dairy is doing. It's not just the butter,
is it. It's the butter and the cheese and the
milk powder up from six hundred and one million to
two point two billion.

Speaker 25 (43:39):
That's massive, totally, and it shows that there's really strong
demand out Therefore, what New Zealand has to offer. Our
exporters earn more money overseas, they bring it back to
New Zealand and that can only be positive for the
local economy.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Yeah, totally. Now, why does it happen in April? Is
this because we've got an overlap of a couple of.

Speaker 25 (43:56):
Seasons, Yeah, totally. So April is tradition a strong month
when using exports. The seasons for dairy and most fruit
sectors overlap, so it does mean that we've typically had
a bumper month in April. This one's obviously been especially strong.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
What's going on with offal.

Speaker 25 (44:15):
So offul is quite an important export in the meat sector. Obviously,
we want to be quite sustainable and make sure that
we're exporting every single part of the animal. So look,
there are countries out there, there are people out there,
including myself, who do sometimes like to eat eat.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Off or I guess what do you get into, Joshua.

Speaker 25 (44:37):
It's hard to say, and I don't really want to
embarrass myself on national radio.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
All embarrass myself. I like the brains because when you're
eating the little lamb brains, it's like, you know, it's
like it's all nice and mushy, and then you get
those crunchy little bits in the middle of it are
like corn flakes.

Speaker 16 (44:51):
So what do you do.

Speaker 25 (44:53):
If it's me at a young char restaurant, then I'll
get into the chicken feet and the and the tripe
as well.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
And good for me. You see how what I did
there was I shared my secret to make you share
your secret. So thanks for playing games. As Joshua Tan
from Export, New Zealand, nothing wrong with a little bit
of awful, ay, not like I just can't get into
the bloods though. The blood stuff is that's just too tangy.
That's that's too much, isn't it. Butter. I'm happy to

(45:19):
make a prediction right now that I think Butter's going
to become our eggs, if you know what I mean.
How the eggs became the big thing ahead of the
US selection. Everybody's talking about the price of eggs, the
price of eggs, the price of eggs, and now people
are like, oh, look at you, jd Vance. You haven't
fixed the price of eggs, have yet and they're holding
it against him. I feel like butter is going to
become the thing that kind of you know, that symbolizes

(45:39):
the cost of living for us here in New Zealand.
So keep it eye on. That might be proven right
on at five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Five twenty five. Listen. I'll tell you what was funny.
Funny timing this morning, opening the hair all today and
reading about why Targeting Hospital Emergency Department handing out those
vouchers A because you read about it today. I heard
about it for the first time yesterday because producer Laura
was telling us about it. And I don't think we
knew that it was going to come out in the Herald.
Were just chatting about it, as you know, mums of kids.
And she was telling me she lives in west Auckland

(46:17):
and of course shares a little one and you know
little ones mean you kind of get a lot more
contact with the medical centers and stuff like that. And
she'd been to the ED and she sure saw this happening,
she said. The ED at y Targety Hospital has this
massive electronic board that they display and it shows the
wait times for the public ed that people are sitting in,
but then they also show the wait times for the
private White Cross which is just down the road, as

(46:40):
if kind of suggesting to people, if you fit the
wait times too long here, go down there. And then
what they do is they also hand out the vouchers
to the people and tell them to go down to
the White Cross. Now I don't love this, I don't
think any of us love this, but I think it
is a good solution to a problem that we've gotten.
The problem is that ed's are slammed. I mean, people
waiting them for treatment for hours. It is not unusual
to hear of people waiting for eight hours or twelve

(47:00):
hours to be able to see a doctor and ED.
Surely it's better to get those people seen at the
White Cross next door faster, faster than them having to
wait an ED, maybe getting worse and ultimately costing us more,
because you know, I mean, it's not impossible that what
would happen is here they're waiting an ED. If they
get seen quickly, they just get a dose of oral
antibiotics and off they go. But if they wait there
for hours and hours and hours, it could get so

(47:23):
much worse with fast moving things that they have to
have intravenous antibiotics instead by the time they get seen,
and they have to have a stay in hospital for that,
and that will cost us thousands of dollars. So maybe
that two hundred dollars hour suddenly becomes a bargain. And
it's not as if it's unusual for us to rely
on private care. We often use the public system that's
paying the private guys to help them out. Now I
don't love it, but I fully understand that's money that

(47:45):
should go towards more doctors and nurses completely. But if
there are not more doctors and nurses, then I think
this is a temporary solution we may have to live
with until this thing's fixed.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Ever, dupus Ellen.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Heather hagis now no, the Hagit no, that's gross. But
you know what what I want to know is because
we don't know between ourselves, we've just been discussing this
during the ad break. Is the marrow?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Is that a?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Is that an awful you know when? Because awful is
actually technically it's it's edible organs. So you're thinking about
your brains and your tummies and your livers and your
lungs and all kinds of weird things that people will eat, right, So, actually, hey.

Speaker 10 (48:23):
What kidneys as well?

Speaker 4 (48:25):
And kidneys to and that's oh, that's right. My granny
used to love the kidneys. Grew up in the depression,
so there's an excuse for it. But anyway, so the
marrow is not technically an awful, but I would think
that it is an awful. And let me tell you something.
If you have not experienced roasted marrow with coriander on
a slice of sour dough, you have not lived.

Speaker 17 (48:45):
You need.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
That's not poverty food. That is some classy stuff, right there.
Give that a hoon. Later on listen, we're going to
talk next with the Free Speech Union, who were furious
about all bollocks getting in trouble with Tonkin and Taylor.
We'll have a chat to them about that master Card.
Now I'm going to tell you about MasterCard. And I
cannot believe the brass neck of these people, so we're

(49:07):
gonna get stuck into them. We said, come on the show,
they said, no, Oh, well, like I fine, we'll talk
about you. Then Headline's next Ferson over again.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Hither First,
it's Heather dupless Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's

Speaker 14 (49:28):
He'd bet you be it Dogmericay to No said, the
name crazy.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I Gonna do is just made me. Hither I've witnessed
so many minor problems, i e. Cup fingers, colds, bruises
from sports, clogging up Edie. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 16 (49:51):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Actually that was the other part of the story that
producer Laura was telling us as well, was that she
was an ed in white tarkeety behind a family I
can't remember how many, might have been five or something
like that, who had the flu, and the woman in
ed said, here's some paracetamol, go home. I mean, you know, yeah,
you can't account for stupidity. There's a lot of that

(50:12):
in this country. Unfortunately, twenty three away from five Huddle
is standing by going to be with us shortly right now, though,
the Free Speech Union has urged Tonkin and Taylor not
to take any disciplinary action against the Winston Peters heckler.
This guy was dumb enough to heckle the Deputy Prime
Minister while wearing his work lanyard, leading to his identification.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Load of pollax.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Like, well, it's gone up in the mirror, sun charge
you look like Bolowe's son. True, like Bollox mate.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Now Tonkin and Taylor has apologized to Winston and is
investigating the employee, Nick Hanna is from the Free Speech
Union and with us, Hey, Nick, he either what's your
problem with them saying sorry about it?

Speaker 12 (50:49):
Whether they can say sorry or they like, is it
really for them to say sorry? Though we think not.
I mean, this is an issue that isn't actually directly
related to the work that their employee does, and of
course to what they do as a company. So it
just seems like a complete overreach, and I think they
probably try to get ahead of any kind of reputational

(51:11):
damage they perceived might be done by putting the station.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Reputational damage isn't there. I mean if they say if
they say nothing, then there will be a bunch of
people who will think that they either condone or agree
or don't care.

Speaker 12 (51:25):
Well, there can be reputational damage in some cases, and
of course that's part of the reason codes of conduct
assigned by employees. But I think the point here is
that the specific things that were being said in the
context and the fact that it was outside of work
and it had nothing to do with an engineering firm,
especially the one he works for, that is very pertinent,
and I you know, I really would sort of try

(51:46):
and emphasize that we're going to not have a line
anymore between work and personal expression free expression. If we
continue to kind of go down this path, you know,
when can you clock off if you if you can't
do it on your way to work, work and express
your opinion.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Well, okay, The thing is sometimes, so, Nick, are you married, yes?
I okay? So sometimes have you never had an instance
where your wife does something and you're like, I'm assuming
that you're married to a woman, by the way, or
your spouse does something and you're embarrassed by it and
you go to the person affected and you go, I'm sorry,

(52:22):
they shouldn't have behaved like that, you know, to kind
of preserve your own reputation.

Speaker 12 (52:27):
Well, well, of course, But the point here is that,
I mean, and this is all their Tonking.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
And Taylor are doing, right. They have been embarrassed publicly.
The guy is wearing their lanyard, so they are just
all they're doing is putting up at a distance and
going sorry about this guy. We're just going to get
him and remind him, you know, don't do that. And
what's the problem with that?

Speaker 12 (52:44):
Well, I think that that's the point though, is that
you know, they can they can be embarrassed and they
can apologize if they want. But the thing is that
this guy is not at work. You know, he's not
at work when he does this stuff, and he says
these words, he's entitled to have a political opinion on top.
And I mean clearly this kind of you know, rhetoric
that's being used not just by this guy, but by

(53:06):
people recently, you know, Andrea Vants. You can name lots
of people using language that clearly doesn't elevate political discourse.
That this is an issue. It's a problem, But is
it your employer's problem if it has nothing to do
with what they offer as a service or you know
whatever as a company. I just think that we're dealing
here with something that's just not relevant. It's not a
reputational issue.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Because it is a reputational issue. I know that you guys,
I understand that you up holding a principle and I
respect you for that, but you also have to live
in the real world, and it is a reputational issue
for them if they do not at least distance themselves
from him, and also Nick, is it all they can?

Speaker 12 (53:43):
They're welcome to distance themselves, but it's not not really
a disciplinary you know issue?

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Is it? Because I agree with you, well that I agree, that's.

Speaker 12 (53:53):
What that's what we're saying. That's but that's what we're saying.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Okay. But so there are two things going on here
is the disciplinary action and the apology. Now with the apology,
do you accept do you agree with me? The apology
is okay because actually the chief executive also has free
speech and has free speech which entitles her to say sorry.

Speaker 12 (54:11):
Yeah, yeah, of course we've not argued that they shouldn't
apologize if they want to. Is it necessary? We don't
think so.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Okay. So the disciplinary matter, are you okay with T
and T getting them out and going, hey, listen, don't
do that with a lanyard around your neck, off you go?
Is that okay with you?

Speaker 18 (54:27):
Well?

Speaker 12 (54:27):
I mean, I think the issue around the lanyard is
one that actually stemmed from the media who were present
at that event, going who was this guy? And then
they wanted to kind of chase the story up. I
don't think that they really needed to do that. And
I think every time we go after people's sort of
personal backgrounds and start getting into stuff that actually wasn't
really relevant at the time. This guy was just one
of many employees expressing a political opinion in a way

(54:50):
that many would consider very crude. I mean it doesn't
help clearly, you know, to use that kind of language.
But why chase the story so far? It just seems like,
you know, there are other big issues we could talking
about and this has become something you know, it's a
bit of a bit of a circus.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yep, I would agree with you on that, Nick, thanks
very much. In a can free speech Union the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find you all one
of a kind on the.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Huddle of Me You've got Connor, English, director at Wellington
government relations firm Silver I and Mark Sainsbury Broadcast. Hello
you two.

Speaker 24 (55:22):
Did I hear that new phone just for you?

Speaker 27 (55:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Was there a problem with your last phone?

Speaker 24 (55:27):
You remember my ear keep hitting the mute button?

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Yeah, but I thought that was an ear problem, not
a phone problem.

Speaker 24 (55:33):
Well, no, the new phone. Everything's laid out in a
different way. So oh look, we won't eat for another
couple of months.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
But you know, your commitment to this show is just unrivaled.
I really appreciate it, says, So tell me what do
you think should happen to this.

Speaker 24 (55:47):
Chap see see it's interesting. I mean, I think the
idea looked the media. Yeah, they shouldn't publicize it. Well,
what if it was a member of you know, being
a member of the you know, secretary of the Labor Party,
or had some vested interest. Of course the media going
to sort of chase it up. But I find himself
agreeing with you, actually, Heather, I think that yep, fair enough.

(56:08):
The company is embarrassed and they want to do something
about it. That it does have shades of sort of
Trump and the law firms. But that's fair enough. But
whether the discipline he needs a bollocking is he may
well put himself for being an idiot, but I don't
think it should customer's job.

Speaker 21 (56:25):
What do you think, Connor, Well, look, it's sort of
bad manners to shout at people when they're making a
six hundred million dollar announcement about investments and trains, which
I think.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
This guy had. I'm assuming he'd just jumped off a train,
so he should be grateful.

Speaker 20 (56:42):
Yeah, look, I yeah, well it should be.

Speaker 28 (56:45):
I suppose that he obviously had a view about other
issues and that's distracted it. And you spend all day
talking about, you know, the interacts between him and Winston so,
which is a bit of a shame about the policy issue,
I guess from.

Speaker 21 (56:56):
The from the government's perspective, but I don't think he
should be fired.

Speaker 29 (57:01):
But I think it's just bad manners. And I can
understand the employer apologizing because you know, if you had
one of your employees in that situation the abundance of caution,
of course you apologize because that's a polite thing to do.

Speaker 21 (57:13):
You need more polite people in the world.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
I agree with you, and I think you probably also
be embarrassed as T and T that you managed to
hire such a numpty Who's best retorted the Deputy Prime
Minister was to say, oh bollocks. It was just so lame,
wasn't it. Speaking of apologies, saying so, do you think
that Chippy should apologize to Judith Collins for quite clearly
misquoting her in a way that makes her look like

(57:35):
a racist?

Speaker 24 (57:37):
I mean, yeah, that's sort of You've got to be
so careful with that sort of stuff. I mean, because
you'll end up it comes back and sort of you know,
wax you on the chops because you didn't do it properly.
So yeah, it could well be I mean it's yeah, yeah,
that's that it's such a fraud issue, and it's such
a fraus.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
It doesn't feel it doesn't fraut. It doesn't feel frault
to me. If Judith says the lack of civility from
the Maori party and then you reinterpret that as uncivilized
behavior from indigenous people, that just seems to me that
is just you are mischaracterizing what she said out and out.

Speaker 24 (58:16):
And again it's one of those things. Knock it on
the head, knock it on the head. Don't let it
keep you know, he's going to sort it out. If
you look back and think, yeah, look I was a
bit fast and loose with that, then sort it. Otherwise
it just drags on and he said, she said, and
all these sort of other things start coming through.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
It just kind of the problem is it makes it
makes Chippy look slippery.

Speaker 29 (58:36):
Oh well, it's better if people are very clear about
what they said, and other people are very clear about
what they said.

Speaker 21 (58:46):
And it just seems to be a wee bit of
confusion in this situation, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Is it confusion Connor or is this a classic case
of Chippy getting busted twisting the facts? Which actually is
something he does quite a lot with a smiling thing.

Speaker 21 (59:02):
Oh he's got a nice smiling face, he does, isn't he.
And he's very good at engaging with the media and
making points that he wants to make.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Yeah, well, okay, I feel like you're pulling your punches
on him, so I'm going to talk to you about
that later. Right, Well, take a break, come back to
you guys. Quarter two the Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Right, you're back of the huddle. Connor English and Mark Sainsbury. Connor,
do you have any problem with those vouchers being handed
out at ED?

Speaker 20 (59:31):
Look, I think it seems to be quite a pragmatic solution,
doesn't it. I mean, ideally you wouldn't have so many
people going to ED anyway and you know, fit and healthy,
but it does seem to be a lot of people
who do. And if you can get the overfly through
quicker by going down the road you know Philly Boots really.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah, problem here, Sainso is when people start gaming at
a like now that people are aware of it, you
one hundred percent know that there will people who will
be people who will not go to the GP, but
we'll go to ED knowing they can get a voucher
and get seen for freeedown at the White Cross.

Speaker 24 (01:00:04):
Yeah, there's always there's always going to be that. I mean, look,
the fact that they're having to resort to giving out
vouchers I am not happy with, as it says that
the system is in coping with what it's designed for.
But you know the risks all being in unison. If
you're sick and you need treatment, look anything that work,
and if a voucher is going to help, and it
seems to have made a huge difference in numbers in

(01:00:26):
particular in that area, then let it happen. You know,
we can't all stand on principle and this is terrible.
We should be putting the money into the health system.
You're quite correct, but people are waiting for treatment. It's
just unconscionable how long people have to wait at these
the emergency centers. And if this is a way out
of it, even if it's a temporary solution, then all
power of.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Their own Yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:46):
I don't now.

Speaker 20 (01:00:47):
Yeah, we're doing the same thing with operations too.

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
Aren't we.

Speaker 20 (01:00:51):
Which you know there's not enough capacity in the public sector.
If you can throw some overflow into the private sector
and get the job done quicker makes sense too, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
It does, absolutely, Connor. What are you looking for in
the big budget tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:01:06):
Well, fully, funnily enough, I'm looking for the government to
provide some funding for early detection of prostate cancer. It's
a little hobby horse I've had for a while for
a pilot one point six million a year out of
thirty billion dollars a year, so it's it's not a
big art. It will make a big difference to men's help.

(01:01:27):
But other than that, I'm just hoping that the government
delivers a good, good, sort of sensible budget that I
think is going to be focused on growth, isn't it.
So we all want Zone to progress and invest in
the right places and make a difference so the boat
goes faster.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
What about you, Sanza?

Speaker 24 (01:01:46):
Well, look, I can't help but endorse Connor on the
on the prostate It's means health were coming up on
the ninth of fifteenth of June, so it'll be it'd
be a great thing for that. And because there's still
a lot of a lot of disparity. Two out of
four Mari men oneket gold card just by the way.
So that's what I'm looking for. All this talks have
dampened down expectations of saying that it was not going

(01:02:08):
to be this. It's not gonna be that. It's not
gonna be a lolly scramble. What I'm curious to see
is whether there's they've got anything they're going to pull
out of the hat that is going to surprise us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
You've been there too many times, haven't ye saying Zoe
and heard them say it's not going to be a
lolly scramble. That's right, and then it's a lolly scramble.

Speaker 24 (01:02:25):
So I'll be I'll be tuned in at five past
five tomorrow, Heather.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Oh thanks Sam. So let me just be absolutely clear
to what will you be tuned in.

Speaker 24 (01:02:33):
I'll be tuned in to you here. Can you be
talking to the finance minister? That's what I'll be tuned in.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
You'll get your commission in the mail later on. I
really agree, Yeah, what.

Speaker 24 (01:02:46):
No, I'm just going to say, look, the one good thing,
you know, because you know you have your own sort
of style, but one good thing you're an equal opportunity
aggressive interviewer. Well not agree, but doesn't matter who it is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
I think that's something you have your own little style.
So elaborate please.

Speaker 24 (01:03:02):
Because you have you had one thing about you you
don't die wanting to know. You have very definite and
strong views on things.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Job description.

Speaker 24 (01:03:11):
Stop you being robust.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Thank you sayin so I appreciate that. I just I
thought there might have been a little bit of a thought.
I thought, oh, there's a niggle coming from sayings. So
I'm going to have to sort him out. Ober, he
shaved himself. What a what a feminist? I'm going to
talk about feminism in a minute. You're gonna want to
hear this one. That's kind of English and Mark Sainsbury
are our charming huddle. This evening eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Listen. We're going to talk don't even get me started
on MasterCard. I'll tell you what they are on my
bs list today. Brass neck of those guys. So we're
going to deal with that shure. We're going to talk
to a consumer about MasterCard. After half past six, Heather,
those vouchers at hospital are awesome. I burnt my legs,
so I had to go down nine hour away hospital
got a voutcher. Boom was out in and out in

(01:04:03):
forty five minutes, freeing up the hospital for people who
actually needed it. Apparently I did too, wouldn't have gone
if I didn't know about the voucher. There you go,
thank you very much. Right, so this thing has gone viral. Look,
little little disclaimer, we have we have a we have
somebody who likes to call themselves a macro feminist in

(01:04:23):
our team. He's a hote. We appreciate him, and he's
drawn to our attention. A new thing called micro feminism. Now,
this has apparently gone viral. And what it is basically
is it's largely in the office, and it's where you
do little feminist acts. Right, this is microfeminism as where
you do little feminist acts designed to sort of challenge

(01:04:43):
accepted norms. For example, asking a male colleague to organize
the shared morning tea, you know, because we're always go, oh, look,
you're a lady, can you get the cake? But actually,
what about you go to a bloke and go, hey,
Andrew could you get the cake and just try to ye,
Maybe holding a door for a man and insisting insisting
that he goes first. Maybe you know, asking a bloke

(01:05:03):
in a meeting to take the note, or maybe asking
the bloke to tidy up, which I did to Matt
Heath yesterday, or some other examples. For example, with emails,
when I send an email, my natural impulse is to say, hey,
just checking in, Hey just checking on that brief, and
I always delete the just and say, hey checking in,

(01:05:25):
give me the breath. Or when you're meeting someone.

Speaker 27 (01:05:29):
When I'm meeting a man for the first time, I
always enter with a really firm handshake. Or with the
furniture whenever something needs to be moved and someone's like,
let's let the men do it, I said, no, I
got it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Or while out walking, when I'm walking, I on purpose
don't get out of the way.

Speaker 12 (01:05:47):
I just keep my ground and if men bump into me,
they bump into me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Or when you're at KINDI and you're dealing with the kids.

Speaker 12 (01:05:57):
For kender and daycare, I always put my husband as
number one contact.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
So there you go. We have collated. If you would
like to participate in I'm not saying I'm not saying
driver is not endorsing micro feminism.

Speaker 10 (01:06:10):
We're not endorsing it's Bury the primary contact for childcare.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
No, Loles, do you want the child like Loles? Does
the husband even know how to take his phone off silent?
It's hid and miss Whither you can get a hold
of him. He's not dead like if you're like, I've
been calling Barry for days, He's no, he's not dead.
He's just he's just crap at his phone. So no,
we want the child to stay alive. And we're not
endorsing micro feminism. We're just alerting you to what might
be going on around you. News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Consuming New
Zealand on master Cards attempted blame shifting Milford Acid management
on the dropping price of oil globally and Gavin Gray
out of the UK. First though, news just in in
the Herald is that Smith and Coey has just announced
it will close for good. It will close its doors
for the final time within the next ten weeks by
July the thirty first. Now this is going to mean

(01:07:15):
a loss of one hundred jobs and also the end
of one hundred and forty five years of history. Smith
and Coey, if you've been following this, have obviously try
to make it work.

Speaker 25 (01:07:23):
Lately.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
They've kept the Queen Street store going. They've tried to
curate the collection there. They closed the Newmarket store, but
it hasn't worked, and they say, unfortunately the foot traffic
on Queen Street is significantly lower than it was this
time last Year's very very sad.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
News, Heather due to see Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Right, remember all those businesses telling themselves they just have
to survive till twenty five. Well, it sounds like they
may now be telling themselves they need to hang on
till twenty six. The EMA says it's received a huge
number of queries, over four hundred from businesses in the
first three months of the year, all wandering about restructuring
and redundancies. EMA's head of advocacy, Alan McDonald's with me. Now, hey, Allen,

(01:08:00):
either what about the news about Smith and coe.

Speaker 11 (01:08:04):
Oh that's a real shame. I mean, that's been part
of the Auckland landscape for as you say, one hundred
and forty odd years, that's slightly older than the EMA. Actually, yeah,
I mean there's one hundred people losing their jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
That's snuggod case in point exactly what you're talking about here,
which is that businesses just cannot hold on through this.

Speaker 11 (01:08:22):
Yeah, it's you know, there's been a lot of good
news and I think you're talking earlier about the export
numbers and things like that, but it's still really really
tough on the ground. And business conference is going up.
Some of the indicators are turning, but that's not what's
happening on the ground. We've seen, unfortunately, a record number
of inquiries around restructuring and redundancy in the first quarter.

Speaker 13 (01:08:43):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Is it that they Is it that people had sort
of just been too optimistic about how much of a
recovery we would experience, or is it that basically everything's
just banked up and they had expected to last until
this point and then no longer.

Speaker 11 (01:08:58):
Really, yeah, I think there's a few things in there,
So I think really it's the combination of what six
or seven years of really tough economic conditions. I mean,
if you go back even pre COVID. You know, the
economy was turning down then then we had COVID. Then
we had supply chain shocks and inflation and high interest
rates and all of those things. And I think the

(01:09:18):
last resort play for a lot of businesses when they
look at their costs and all that is, well, we're
going to have to restructure the number of people. And
that's what's happening. They are at that last chance to
leon if you like, and that's been reflected in some
of those numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Trouble is, though, allan, isn't there a risk that business
is cut deep? They get rid of the people, they
try to cut down in terms of their size, and
then when the economy starts to recover, they find that
they're replacing those people. Is actually really hard.

Speaker 11 (01:09:46):
Yeah, we did see that post GFC actually where the
numbers of businesses closing continued to rise actually as the
economy improved, and that was the case, then people had
cut too deep. So really it's about just making sure
that while you're you're kind of making those adjustments to
right size yourself, you don't leave yourself short of capabilities
and skills and capacity when things do turn And that's

(01:10:09):
a very fine balance, and that's where organizations like ourselves
and others can help.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
What's on your wish list for tomorrow? You must have
something Well, there's been.

Speaker 11 (01:10:18):
A lot of hints dropped about something around the accelerated depreciation,
and I think that would be really good for a
small business economy. The one that maybe in the frame
is just raising that threshold on expenses. So it's currently
in one thousand. In Australia it's twenty thousand. I don't
think we'll go that high, but something in either one
of those areas would be great, even if it's just
a simplication and not a big headline number.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, that would help with the confidence.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Good stuff. Hey, Allen, always lovely to talk to you.
Thank you very much. Alan McDonald, head of Advocacy Amy.
Just going back to what Smith and Coe has said,
the acting chief executive Matt Harray is blaming the roadworks.
I think also the sheer amount of road work surrounding
our store currently is really putting people off. I think

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the perceived level of safety in the city is also
putting people off. I don't think people realize that the
city center is actually a better place than it used
to be. Twelve months ago, he was asked whether he
had regular meetings with authorities, including Auckland Transport, and he said, yep.
Their response very little. Now he is not he's not
making this up. Have you been down Queen Street? Have
you been to that part? It has been because when

(01:11:26):
I was on maternity leaf took the baby on gigantic
walks around the city to get her to sleep and stuff.
Would regularly walk all the way to Queen Street and
around there, and it is a total cluster. That intersection
that Smith and Coe is on is just full of
road cones, like to the extent that it is actually
uncomfortable to walk around there because you're constantly bumping into

(01:11:46):
people who are trying to funnel into these little channels
that are created by the road cones and stuff, and
it's just really hard to get there. Once you see
the orange road cones, you don't want to go there,
so you kind of try to avoid it. So I
think that they have been done over and actually there
is probably a lesson there for people who do who
do all this kind of work in the city, isn't it.
It's cut down the amount of disruption and if a

(01:12:06):
store is doing it tough, or if a bunch of
stores are doing it tough, have a listen to what
they're saying, because look what we've just lost one hundred
and forty five years because you stuck your road cones up. Well,
only in part because of the road cones. Let's be fair,
But it didn't help, did it. Thirteen past six it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Heather, don't forget Auckland Transport and the increase in parking
charges and the disappearance of parking in the city, and
the council sold one car park to put up another
building mark that's fair. I mean what I should have
said as context for why I was down in Queen
Street with the pram is because that's the only way
you can get to Queen Street now is if you
walk there, because ain't nobody driving to Queen Street, are they?
Unless they're actually allowed like a trade or something like that.

(01:12:48):
Quarter past six now, Nikola Willis has said she's going
to deliver a no BS budget tomorrow. So janetib Shaney
has five questions she wants answers too. She's with us
now how Jana hey, Ever, question is how much they
save on pay equity A.

Speaker 27 (01:13:03):
Yeap, that's the big question. Look, that was the thing
that sort of shocked us all. The government came out
without any warning and changed that change that rule. You know,
that could save billions of dollars at the expense of
people who work in jobs dominated by women. Their pay
rises won't be as large as might otherwise be the case.

(01:13:23):
So question one is how much will a tightening of
the pay equity regime save.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Let's see, I think ten billion plus by the way,
but as more than ten billion, but not as much
as seventeen billion as estimated.

Speaker 27 (01:13:39):
Yeah, yeah, look possibly, and that would be over the
four year period.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Okay, So obviously it's been pretty well signaled that there's
going to be changes to key we save. I imagine
you're going to look at that. But the other one
will be there is some indication there'll be tax changes.
What are you expecting?

Speaker 27 (01:13:54):
Yeah, Look, the thing is the government has said that
it wants to support economic growth and it's also said
at once businesses to invest more in technology, tools machinery
to support productivity. So one way of doing that is
that it could allow businesses to write off more depreciation
on some of their tools and equipment and so on.

(01:14:14):
That would lower their tax bills and encourage them to
invest more in these things. The questions will be, does
the government say, okay, you can write off, you know,
write off more depreciation on any type of asset, or
does it narrow it to save money and say only
certain types of assets, or does it say only certain

(01:14:36):
types of sectors can can get this type of tax relief.
So that so if it does go down that track,
which which some people think it will, that that is
specifically what I'll be looking for. Surplus, that's the big one.
So people who listen to Nichola Willis will hear that
she's talking about a return to surplus within the four

(01:14:58):
year forecast period. But the surplus that Nicola Willis is
referring to is not the traditional measure. It's the one
that excludes the impact of acc So I think what
we will be doing is keeping focused on the original
measure of the surplus that's called the obergal, not the
ober gal X. And at the end of last year,

(01:15:19):
the Treasury didn't see a return to surplus within the
forecast period, So yeah, what.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
About Treasury's forecasts. What are you looking for there?

Speaker 27 (01:15:30):
Well, you know, I think I'm going to be quite
interested to see that they do this. I mean, outside
of the normal stuff. I'm interested in some of the
sensitivity analysis they do. So every year they say, well,
if GDP growth is fast or slower, you know, bigger
or smaller, or interest rates are higher or lower, whatever
than we expected, this could be the impact on the

(01:15:51):
government's books. Now, this year, I think that test will
be particularly interesting because the world is so uncertain the changes,
chances of Treasury's forecast being wrong is pretty high. You know,
Donald Trump is doing all sorts of things, so you know,
I'd be quite keen to look at that because you
know that that sort of thing can make quite a

(01:16:13):
big difference on the books. And the one that I've
looked at in the past is just that global, globally,
bond yields are higher than what was expected in December,
and this is pushing up the cost of the government's
debt servicing costs. So because of what's happening in the US,
because of the amount of government debt we have, it's
costing the government more than expected to service its debt.

(01:16:36):
You know, more than expected just in December, so you
know that has an impact on the finances and on
the return to surplus.

Speaker 17 (01:16:43):
So you know, the.

Speaker 27 (01:16:46):
Those scenarios I think will be particularly interesting this year
because of all the uncertainty.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Look forward to seeing you there. Jane Jenne to training
the Herald's Business Reporter or I should actually give her
a proper title a She's earned it, Wellington Business Editor.
Now master Card master Card has released a little survey
and it's got my goat because master Card has released
a survey about how we all want surcharges banned, right,

(01:17:14):
and look, we all hate surcharges. I got punged. I
really got pained by a surcharge today. That really got
on my nerves because you know, when I like to
go and make a decision when I'm at the point
of sale as to whether I want to use my
credit card or not based on whether there is a surcharges.
So I was buying a coffee and I saw and
that there was no sign that said surcharge, So I went, okay, cool,
and I tapped my card and then then the surcharge

(01:17:37):
appeared after that was old And by the way, that
includes a seurcharge. I thought, that's not cool, mate, that
don't do that anyway, So that got my goat, But
it did not get my goat as much as master Card,
because what master Card is doing is releasing the survey,
which says sixty one of us, sixty one percent of
US thinks surcharging should be banned, Seventy five percent of
US do not believe it is fair. Seventy nine percent

(01:17:58):
of US think that interchange fees, which is what the
banks charge each other, which basically makes up the surcharge,
should be considered a standard cost of doing business, and
so on and so on and so on and so at.
Fourty four percent of US think retailers should absorb the
interchange fees anyway. The whole thing is designed to convince
us that it's the retailer's fault and that we need

(01:18:18):
to ban the retailers from hold on a tack just
for one little second. What the retailers are passing on
is what you people are charging them. So if MasterCard
and Visa and the retail banks weren't charging all of
this money, then the retailers would not be passing it
on to us. So I'm just i just feel like
there's a little bit of victim blaming going on here
from MasterCard anyway. So we got master that We said

(01:18:40):
to master Card, do you want to come on the
show and talk to Heather? And they said no. Why
did they say no, Laura? Can you tell me in
my ears? Oh they weren't available today. They were available
to put out a survey, but they weren't available to
talk about best to that anyway, never mind, not want
to be put off. We then decided, oh, we'll just
talk to some else about you, master Cards. So we're

(01:19:02):
going to talk to Consumer New Zealand because I have
had it up to here with MasterCard and Visa and
everybody else trying to blame the little retailers. Let me
just get this straight, right, Who is the bigger bully here?
Is that the credit card guys or the dairy that's
passing on the search out? Do you think about that
for a teck? And then we're going to talk about
it after the headlines twenty two past six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen
and who has insurance and investments Grow your wealth?

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Protect your future these talks at me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Hey, Heather, I agree read the credit card companies. But
some businesses do pass on more than just the cost,
like our friends at will Wilson, Like our friends at
Wilson Parking, What about Auckland Transport, what about Air New Zealand.
M It's like there's a pattern emerging here, do you
know what I mean? Not really the most popular companies
are they tore outfits twenty five past six Now Tariff
headlines have been dominating market news for the last few months,

(01:19:57):
but there is one benefit to consumers that are starting
to take shape, which is lower oil prices. Andrew Purtain
from Milford Act Management is with me, Hey, Andrew, evening hitter.
What's happening in the oil market.

Speaker 20 (01:20:10):
Well, we've sort of.

Speaker 30 (01:20:11):
Been a bit distracted, haven't we for all the tariff news,
And meanwhile oil price has been hitting lower and lower,
so it's now down to the lowest level in about
four years. I'm down sixty six dollars a barrel, which
is about twenty percent lower than what it was at
the start of this year. So for most people they go,
why does that really matter? But we all do actually
see an impact because when crude oil goes down, we

(01:20:33):
start to see that in fuel prices, and we also
at some point would start to see it come through
an airfield prices. But the thing is at the moment
that a lot of experts are out there saying that,
saying that they could see heading even lower round to
potentially down to fifty dollars a barrel.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
We all know that the oil price jumps around though, right,
So what's causing this move and are these prices actually
going to stay low.

Speaker 30 (01:20:58):
There's been a couple of things. One is the Terrriff
concerns is creating more concern about general macroeconomic growth. So
if growth slows, demand for oil slows, so that decreases
the overall usage of oil, which puts down with pressure.
But really the big change within the last couple of
months is that OPEED, which is the nation of predominantly

(01:21:21):
Middle Western countries which produce around about one third of
the world's oil, they had quite a significant change in
stance on how they and how much oil are producing.
So what open usually does is the sort of the
supply control around.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
There to other people that go.

Speaker 30 (01:21:37):
But we want oil price to be around about seventy
dollars a barrel. That's where we're going to get a
good profit. And if there's going to be too much
oil come to the rest of the world, we'll just
taken million barrels a day out of the market and
we'll keep prices at seventy dollars. Now that works. That's
been been happening for about the last five years. Around
about months ago, they changed their stance and said, look,
we're going to start bringing back quite material levels of

(01:21:58):
oil production. Now this is on in a scenario where
you got weekend in.

Speaker 9 (01:22:02):
Demand and they're going to have more oil.

Speaker 16 (01:22:04):
This is sense.

Speaker 30 (01:22:04):
So they're basically saying, look, we're ready to send oil
not much lower and potentially into a bear market. Now
you might ask, all, why is OPEK doing this? Well,
one reason is Trump's been very very vocal when he
wants oil price lower. He wants oil price probably somewhere
around fifty dollars a barrel, So maybe he's putting pressure
on Sudi's who was sort of the key key party

(01:22:26):
with an OPET. And another reason that you've got oil
go low is a lot of countries have been sort
of taken advantage of the lower OPEC production by producing
more oil, one of which is the US.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Wow. So the sucking up to him. Hey, thank you
very much, Andrew. I really appreciate that it is Andrew
Curtain Milford Asset Management. Hither I came to Auckland for
the first time ever for the loop HOLMBS concert. The
wife dragged me to Smith and Koe as she had
heard so much about it. What we found was an
empty department store that more resembled a warehouse than a
high end department store. Yep, there was a lot of cone,
but there was also a lot of activity, Jamie, thank

(01:23:00):
you for that right headlines next, and then it's an
chat about MasterCard.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Too, from.

Speaker 13 (01:23:08):
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SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,
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Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
All the situation with Gaza. The UK government has announced
it's going to pause the free trade negotiations with Israel
until the situation in Gaza has resolved, which I think
is probably the right thing for them to be doing.
We're going to talk to Gavin Gray about that shortly.
Right now, it's twenty four away from seven now. MasterCard
has released a survey that it says shows Kiwi's want
sir charges band. Apparently, sixty one percent of US would

(01:23:57):
support a band. Seventy five percent of US do not
believe that surcharging is fear. Forty four percent of US
think that retailers should absorb into change fees without surcharging
or without increasing the price. And Jessica Walker is Consumers
Acting Head of Research and Advocacy. Hey Jessica, Hi, Hather,
how are you doing. I'm very well. I need you
to I need you to explain something to me. Jessica.
I look at this coming from master Card. I believe

(01:24:20):
it ultimately responsible for the fact that we get surcharged,
and I think they have got a bloody brass nick
putting something like this out. Am I wrong?

Speaker 31 (01:24:29):
Well, it's really complicated, and I feel like I'm always
stating complicating.

Speaker 16 (01:24:33):
It sounds like a cop up.

Speaker 31 (01:24:34):
But payment systems are really complicated, and businesses are charged
a fee for using these these payment networks. And so
of course Visa and MasterCard are going to benefit from
surcharges being banned because it means that more people will
use Visa and master Cards.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Because it will be free for them to do so.

Speaker 31 (01:24:53):
But we think we've gone on the record and said
that surcharges are a national embarrassment, and we stand by that.
There is a huge problem.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
You be blamed for them? Who do you blame for them?
Do you blame Do you blame MasterCard and Visa who
have who introduce the fees? Do you blame the retail
banks who also have fees? Or do you blame the
little retailer who I bought my coffee from today, who
is going to have to absorb what is in some
cases like thousands of dollars? It's a lot.

Speaker 22 (01:25:22):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 31 (01:25:24):
And we don't blame one person, And again it sounds
like a cup out or one organization, but we are
saying that there needs to be regulations. So right now
is guidelines and so we think that's what's contributing to
the mess there was the consumer is the horrible experience.
But also I get your point that for small businesses
it's also a mess because they're in caring fees that
they shouldn't be and they've got no choice but to

(01:25:45):
pass them on or if they're not passing them on,
then it means it's costing them more. So what we
think is a band should absolutely be on the table.
But in the meantime, we really support this further interchange regulation,
which is what the Commerce Commission has just been consulting on.
And what that should mean is that costs for businesses
come down, so which should cost them much less to

(01:26:05):
extract payments, and that's what we an interim measure.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Am I wrong to blame Visa and master Card for this?
Am I wrong to actually see them as the lead
culprits because when I read about what happened last year
around about this time in the US, they reached a
thirty billion dollar settlement over these credit card fees, which
was basically accepting that they were too high. So am
I wrong blaming them for this?

Speaker 31 (01:26:30):
I think blame needs to be a portioned across lots
of different players because right, tell me who they are,
so who What we don't understand is where the extra
money is going. So we think that's one question that
needs to be asked.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
So the companies yeah, yeah, well yeah, and.

Speaker 31 (01:26:50):
Then are there some retailers that are taking some cream
off the top as well? Is it payment service providers.
So there's so many questions, but at the end of
the day is the it's the consumer that's paying the
cost for this.

Speaker 22 (01:27:01):
It does need to be addressed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
But okay, to get back to my point. Though MasterCard
does have a bloody brass neck, don't they.

Speaker 22 (01:27:09):
Well, they're going to benefit.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
It's secretly they're charging them. I mean, how can they
like think about this, yessica, how can they actually say
that these charges, these surcharges need to be banned, Like
the little retailer who's selling you the tiny little pot
part you're buying has to stop the surcharge because they
want to fill their pockets. The old critic card companies anyway,
in never mind, I'm not going to force you to
take my side on this. However, it seems to me

(01:27:34):
that what the Commerce Commission is proposing is actually a
solution to this, right because not only are they going
to regulate what these fat cats can charge, but they
then do actually regulate also what the retailers can charge you.

Speaker 16 (01:27:44):
And I yeah, that's right.

Speaker 31 (01:27:46):
So at the moment, the section that's that's regulated is
what the business is paying, but what you, as the
contumer pay is what's it's there are only guidelines and
we think that they're being ignored because the surch charges
are supposed to be not excessive. They're supposed to be visible,
and you're supposed to know in advance what you're going
to pay in a lot of the time, what consumers

(01:28:06):
are telling us, and we know we're all consumers ourselves
that that's not the case. So we absolutely support the
Commerce Commission bringing those charges down, which should mean that
if there is an all outbound which we think should
be on the table, then businesses fees are going to
be lower. So if those costs are passed on in
higher costs of service and goods, it should be less

(01:28:26):
than one percent overall, and we think that's a much
better position than what we're in now. You know, for example,
the most egregious surcharge we've heard about in the last
few months was twenty five percent who behave it's just
gone to stop it with a nail salon somewhere twenty
five percent nail salon. It's just absolutely shocking too.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Right hey, thank you very much, jessic I always appreciate it.
Jessica Walker, Consumers Acting Head of Research and Advocacy. It's
nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Hither due to clan now AI.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
AI is something that is increasingly being discussed by by
various It's about how to use it and stuff like that.
Here's a lesson in how not to use it. A
couple of US newspapers have been busted running a feature
which was full of made up stuff which obviously came
from AI. So what it was was it was a
summer feature. And I wish i'd actually remember the names
of the two newspapers. I can't remember what there was,

(01:29:18):
like a Philadelphia paper and some other one you know. Anyway,
not the big, big, big ones, but these reasonable mid
sized newspapers. Anyway, there ran a summer feature because summer
is obviously about to happen in the US, and they
had lists of good books to read and activities to do.
Except the problem was some of the books don't exist,
and some of the people suggesting the activities never suggested

(01:29:39):
these activities. So, for example, it was quoting one Brianna Mardia,
who wrote a book called Nowhere for Very Long about
living in vans, and it quoted her as raving about
hammock culture and said that she'd made these comments about
hammock Culture to Outside Magazine in twenty twenty three, except
she didn't do any interviews with Outside Magazine in twenty three,

(01:30:01):
and she did do interviews with Outside Magazine in twenty
nineteen and twenty seventeen, but she did not talk about
hammock culture, So where did AI get that from. Also,
the Summer reading list for twenty twenty five recommended the
book Tide Water Dreams Doesn't Exist. Also recommended the book
The Last Algorithm by Andy Weer No such book. Also

(01:30:22):
recommended books by real authors, but by the way, it
doesn't appear that either of those people are real. But anyway,
there are some real authors called brit Bennett, Taylor Jenkins,
read Mingin Lee, Rebecca Mackeye. Those are real authors, but
the books that were suggested by them do not exist.
What happened is that there's a freelance writer who lives

(01:30:43):
in Chicago called Marco Buscaglia, and he basically wrote a
lot of this content, right, or at least we thought
he wrote a lot of this content, but he didn't.
He was writing in February, he had a March deadline.
He decided to use an AI chatbot to help. He
can't remember was it chat gpt or was it Claude?

Speaker 7 (01:31:00):
Who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Anyway, he got the chat gpt, the chatbot to basically
put together this list of things instead of calling the
bookstores themselves and be like, hey, what's the great book
to read? He just got the chatbot to do it.
And then he forgot to check that the chatbot hadn't
made stuff up and he got busted. So watch out
sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Newstalks'd be here.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
The user stash of cash and avoid all rip off surcharges.
I'll tell you what, I'm doing a very good job
apart from when I get surprised. I'm doing a very
good job of actually using my bank card and making
Visa and MasterCards life hard by not using their credit
cards actually to avoid those surcharges. Are thirteen away from
seven and Gavin Gray are UK Correspondence with us A
Gavin Hew, Hey, they are all right, So what is

(01:31:56):
it going to take? What does Israel need to do
in order to get these free trade negotiations with the
UK going again.

Speaker 17 (01:32:03):
Basically to stop the bombing and action in Gaza. That's
the message from this UK government. So yesterday they paused
the trade talks with Israel, they summoned the ambassador and
started to put sanctions on individuals, and today we've learned
more about those sanctions. Daniella Weiss is her name, the

(01:32:23):
main one. You may never have heard of her, but
she's a far right Israeli settler known as the godmother
to the settler movement. With settlers, of course, this is
the part of an organization called Homeland that has been
sanctioned by this government as well. Vice leads that group,
and the vast majority of the international community considers the

(01:32:45):
settlers illegal under international law. In other words, they're occupying
world the land that's not there, and this is something
that Vice has been absolutely instrumental in doing. The Israeli
Foreign Ministry, though, has hit back saying the sanctions are
basically unjustified and regrettable and say that the UK's pause

(01:33:06):
of trade talks, well, they're saying, if you want to
harm your economy, that's up to you. But this is
an anti Israel obsession. They're calling it the UK government
say though, saying the situation in Gaza is quite simply
untenable and cannot go on any longer, and yesterday issued
a joint statement with France and Canada saying they will
keep some concrete steps if things don't change.

Speaker 22 (01:33:30):
Yeah, I hope so.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Okay, listen, what's gone wrong with these airbnb properties in Spain?

Speaker 17 (01:33:35):
Well, one of the big issues for young people in
Spain has been trying to find somewhere to live, and
particularly the larger towns and cities. The average rental has
doubled over the last decade. Salaries, though are way behind,
they're nowhere near that doubling, so accommodation has become very expensive,
and they do say one of the things that has

(01:33:55):
priced them out is that so many apartments in those
towns and cities have turned into airbnb or tourist apartments.
Spain is the world's second most popular tourist destination after France,
with ninety four million foreign visitors last year, and this
government's Pedro Sanchez, the Socialist Prime Minister, is alert to that.

(01:34:16):
He's saying there are too many airbnbs and not enough homes,
so they are now calling for the removal of the
listings of nearly sixty six thousand properties on the rental
platform Airbnb, saying that they breach regulations for tourist accommodation.
They're saying they quote violated various norms regarding housing for

(01:34:36):
tourist use. It's a complicated one and it's a bit
vague and why they think they can do it. But
already we've seen Madrid court ruling that Airbnb must immediately
withdraw from the market almost five thousand of the properties cited.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
By the ministry there.

Speaker 17 (01:34:52):
But it's not just Madrid, it's Andrew Luthia, Catalonia, Valencia,
the Basque Country and the Ballyeric Islands all now tackling Airbnb,
saying that there are too many Airbnb properties and this
cannot go on now.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Ryanair cannot be serious that they're wanting some people, some
of the staff, to pay back money, are they?

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:35:14):
Yes, yes, I think Ryanair is extremely serious about this. Well,
what happened is a pay rise was agreed with a
Spanish union and that pay rise was then applied to
all flight attendants of Ryanair, which is Europe's largest airline.
It's the budget airline based out of Ireland, and that

(01:35:35):
belonged that that pay increase belonged to all flight attendants,
regardless of which union they belonged to. Now, interestingly, another
Spanish union one a court case a couple of months ago,
nullifying the deal, saying that it wasn't fairly done. That
you know, you can't just talk to one union and
not to the rest of us, so it's nullified.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
The deal.

Speaker 17 (01:35:56):
Mean the pay rise is effectively null and void. So
Ryanair is now saying, right, thank you, we'll have that
pay rise money back. Airline workers basically estimate that they're
three thousand euros overpaid, if you like, using Ryanair's language,
so roughly six thousand New Zealand dollars or more. And yeah,

(01:36:19):
the flight's attendants are being told they must repay the
money over a year by taking a sum out of
their monthly salary. This, as you can imagine, has been
described as fascicaled by one union. Another union isn't happy.
But either way, Ryanair not terribly popular with the unions
in Spain, as they do try to keep their ticket
prices down by doing tough deals on pay rising.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Interesting, hey, thank you very much, Kevin Gray Agavin we'll'll
check to you in a couple of days. It's Kevin Gray,
are UK Correspondent's Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
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Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
All right, I need to give a lot shout out
to Little Palm Beach on Wyhecke Island. But before I do,
Paul says, I run a couple of restaurants. The bank
charge for using a payWave card is paid by my business.
Customers charge, no surch charge. It's claimed as an expense
by us. But just be clear, right, So what Paul
is telling you is if you don't pay it, he
has to pay it. And I think the Commerce Commission

(01:37:20):
has already ascertained it's a little on the high side. Anyway,
we will I'm sure that this will come up again
at some stage and hopefully we'll talk to MasterCard. So
Little Palm Beach on Wyheke Island has made CNN's list
of CNN's best noody rudy beaches in the world. Well done,
well done. Any beach list that doesn't have pr on it,

(01:37:40):
I'm down with it now. It's probably not the right
phrase to be using in this context anyway, CNN says,
reaching the secluded strand entails of forty to sixty minute
very ride from Auckland, a taxi or ride share to
the island's north shore, and then a short downhill hike.
You can top or tail your beach adventure at why
Hecki's many wineries, restaurants and art galleries, and nothing actually

(01:38:01):
about how awesome it is to see naked people there anyway,
And what have you got?

Speaker 10 (01:38:05):
Okay, so yesterday you said you can't tell the difference
between the new Taylor Swift re recordings of her songs
and the original versions. So what I'm going to do
now as I'm going to play you two versions of
the song mine. Okay, this is Mine by Taylor Swift.
This is the original version as it came out on
Speak Now in twenty ten. This is how it starts.
H okay, not bad. This is how it sounds record

(01:38:30):
re released in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Ah oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:38:37):
Just the guitar is a bit cleaner, it's a bit
more acoustic. So yeah, it's the same song. It's recognizably
the same song that I think the new versions a
lot of better.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
Well, I mean, the thing that got me was that
the guitar's opening bit in the original is very staccato,
where it's a lot more legato in the second one.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (01:38:53):
Oh, I am bringing a knife to a gunfight on
this music. Stuff either your way.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
But what I'm going to appreciate is that you were
right and I was wrong because you how you love
a bit of Taita, don't you?

Speaker 18 (01:39:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:39:07):
To be fair, this is the only song on speak
Now that I particularly like, but I have, I have
always liked it. But yes, I am a fan of
Taylor Swift.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
I always bring a knife to a Tata gunfight with you.
So you can, you can, you can continue to be
our tait A source of information.

Speaker 10 (01:39:22):
Thank you for that, and thanks very much to Chief
Taylor Swift correspondent Michael Allen, who also has another job here,
who helps me outpecking this on.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Honestly, what is his life without Taylor?

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Listen, thank you, thank you and for minding the ship
the way that you have back in Auckland today, You've
been outstanding. And the German obviously, and we will all
be back tomorrow for the for the budget. How good
see you then gasp.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
For a word, and we'll take in on the world together.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
And there's and sure math things at your please.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
You learn my see good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Then you figure out why I'm guarded.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
You say, well, make you see with God love to
figure out.

Speaker 14 (01:40:06):
It was hard to say ya yay.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
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