Full Show Podcast: 22 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duper c Ellen drive with One New Zealand
to coverage like no one else.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Fonterra's boss on
the sale of the Consumer Business Act. MP Todd Stevenson
on his Select Committee delivering that banking inquiry report. Our
mate and Ozzie Oliver Peterson on the new childcare rules,
the Rugby Boss on the new deal with Sky, and
the Skyboss on the new deal with the Rugby Boss.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well, if you're not sure that Fonterra's made the right
call in selling off its brands like Mainland or Anchor,
just have a look at what the share price has
done today, up twenty percent from about five dollars a
share to about six dollars a share. And the last
time the shares was this high was early to twenty eighteen,
so you have to go back about seven and a
half years. If you look at the graph of the
share price over the last thirteen years, the full time

(00:53):
it's been listed today as a spike that goes directly
up because it's a good deal. Three point eight billion
dollars is way above what the market was predicting at
about two to three billion dollars. What this means, apparently
for the average dairy farmer is at least if you're
on the white cuttle, a dairy farmer there will end
up with about four hundred thousand dollars as a result
of the sale. I would say on the strength that

(01:14):
Fonterra will absolutely be getting the farmer approval that they're
hoping for now. One of the criticisms of the steel
in the past has been the value added part of it.
We've been told for the longest time in this country
that we need to stop selling low value products to
the world. We need to start adding value. That is
the future of the New Zealand economy, and this deal
has been criticized for doing the opposite. But as someone

(01:35):
much smarter than me set today, chopping up a big
block of butter into smaller blocks of butter and then
putting a wrapper around them is not adding value. Butter
is not a value added product. Butter is a commodity.
What is value added is all the other stuff that
Fonterra does. It's stuff like pulling proteins, out of milk
and adding those proteins that concentrates to sports food or
medical foods or sports drinks or whatever, and then selling

(01:56):
that stuff to rich customers and developed countries. Now, Fonterra
his plan is to sell off the butter stuff, which
is actually very low margin and quite complex, and then
put their energy into the actual value added part of
the business.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I can't argue with that, can you? And as for
Miles Hurrele, I mean, he was the guy everyone was
celebrating for turning around Fonterra's fortunes before the steal. Imagine
what they're going to be saying about him now. It's
not only Fonterra stocks that have shot up today.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'd say heither do for clan Well Nine New Night.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Too is the text number standard Texav's apply Myles Hurrel
with us after five. Now New Zealand's emergency services have
just been given a little bit of a tech upgrade.
Police and ambulance will soon be able to track the
phone location of someone who hasn't called one one one themselves,
but only if there are grave concerns for their safety
or other safety. Mark Mitchell is the Police Minister. Hamitch
Hi Heather, Okay, So what would have what would have

(02:51):
to be going on for you to track me?

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Well, a good example would be if you else, if
you just disappeared, no one knew we, we hadn't been
in contact with anyone, your bank accounts hadn't been touched,
family and friends.

Speaker 7 (03:04):
We are really concerned if your welfare.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Now the police with the new device location information can
within minutes find out where your phone last was and
narrow down a search area much quicker.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
So make sure you're safe and get your.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Own Would that be through triangulation or would that be
something else?

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Look, that's probably technical for me, but they use what
it'll do. It will ping off the nearest phone tower.
And the good thing about the great thing about this
and the reason why it's world leading, is that we've
got all three of our telcos that are part of this,
and I want to give a shout out to them
because they have all come together and in fact they've

(03:43):
been doing some amazing stuff for me with emergency management
as well. And this tool will be extremely good in
emergency management. When we've got big weather events and we've
we've got people missing, we want to locate them. It's
going to be, it's going to be outstanding.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
So why can't you do this already? Because I was
just under the impression that if I went missing in
the bush you would triangulate and find me.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
But no, Well it's the way that you do it.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Before this happened was antiquated. It took time and meant
dealing individually with the telcos.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
So this will be much faster.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Okay, so this is just about streamlining. So what would
you have to do beforehand? Would you have to go
and ask them for permission to do it or something
like well, like yes.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
You would, yeah, yes, absolutely, and you know and of
course you've got all three taelcos working together, so the
whole network is available, which means that it doesn't matter
where you are in the country or what cell tower
you're close to. Under this device location information, the police
will be able to get the information back real time
and then pass that on to other emergency services which

(04:43):
include you know, Saint John's Fends Police obviously and also
Willington Free Ambulance.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Does this mean that the police have now got the
ability to actually access this information themselves rather than having
to ask.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
For it, Yes, they can.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
They can actually set information straight away, and there's obviously
there's pretty strict rules around it. They've got to be
compliant with the Telecommunications Information Privacy Code under the Act.
But it means real time that we've got, for example,
a minor electric We've had four young people disappear over
the last month where we've used Obviously there's Facebook page,

(05:18):
local computity community facebook pages. The police are out there
doing their stuff. We're trying to find them. But with this,
you know, with the capability they've got now, they'll be
able to as long as carrying their phone, obviously they'll
be able to narrow down exactly where they are in
the search area.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, So what about concerns that this may lead to
people being tracked when they don't want to be tracked
and they're not in any kind of danger.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Well, at the end of the day, it's going to
be friends and family. And just to give you an
idea of the size of the problem for us as
a country, is that there's two million calls triple one
calls annually that police and our first responders deal with.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
One fifth of those are.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Family members or friends that are concerned for the welfare
or safety of a missing family member.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Or friend.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
So it's quite this happens quite a lot. The information
when it's received will only sit with police and the
emergency or the first responder that needs it. It will
not be given back to the person that's called in.
It is not publicly available. It just que It quite
simply sits with the police.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, now, Mitch, have you caught up on the fact
that Sports New Zealand advised you guys against repealing the
transgender guidelines.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
Well, I I received advice from them. We had a
very clear agreement with New Zealand first as our coalition partner,
the decision we consulted with them. Ultimately, the decision was
taken to scrap the guidelines from Sporting Zet altogether and
to allow the codes and community sports organizations to make

(06:50):
their own decisions around transgender sport, and obviously with a
focus on fairness and safety.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Can you explaining to me why Penny Henn at eight
wants to repeal the gang patch ban?

Speaker 7 (07:06):
Oh, because they hate it.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Labour didn't support it when we took that legislation through
the House and he's probably.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Much I don't understand this. Why are they so keen
on helping out bad.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Guys because they want them because the gangs are putting
pressure on them, and the gangs want the freedom feel
like it's their freedom to express themselves by wearing gang
patches around which are quite purely designed to intimidate.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
And scare people.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
I had some figure here that I had some feedback
from Gisbon Hospital a few months ago. They said, number one,
not having the gang patches means that our staff and
our patients are no longer exposed to the intimidation around them.
Number Two, it has completely de escalated the behavior of
those game members because they don't feel that they have
to staunch up an x staunch when they put the
patch on, and they no longer a target for the

(07:50):
for the opposition. So you know, it's been a great
tool for the police to be able to roll back
up over the gangs, let the public know that they
control in the street, not the gangs, and lay want
to come out and unwind that. So just completely showing
exactly what they stand for and that's not public safety.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Thanks Mitch, appreciated Mark Mitchell, police minister and also Sports
Minister and also interested in the gang thing. So what's
happened here is remember I was telling you that Penny
and Ada had said it that by election candidates meeting
in Tomachi, Makoto the other night Wednesday night, I think
it was that he was happy to and was going
to repeal the gang Patch band. Well, he's doubling down
on it. So even though Carmel came out and was like, no,

(08:30):
that's not the Labor Party position, he's gone now, well
it's mine and he's not backing down at all. He
says it's its personal view on the issue, which was
informed by his far No experience, and he understood that
that differed from his party view. What a mental situation.
Barry Sopa is going to be with us and explain it.
Just before five o'clock at sixteen past four, it's the.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Heather to Bussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talk ZEPPI.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Here the mynee went missing four years ago and police
were able to ping her phone so they were able
to find it. Well do you go, so it's not
looking what this is. This is not a new This
is basically what you should realize is this is not
something new that the police can do. It's just making
it faster. So they can get to you faster when
time matters nineteen past four Sport.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
With tab powerplays and unlock figure on It's our eighteen
bit responsibly.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with me, Hello Poney, Hello Heather. Okay,
so what do you make of the squad?

Speaker 8 (09:24):
Well, I think it's just sort of a razor squad,
isn't it. It's consistency. He doesn't tend to tinker too much.
One change to the run on side. I think we
all thought that Wallace a T T might come back
into the starting fifteen and Steady's off the bench Simon
Parker a debut. I think we're all very curious to
see how he goes. Otherwise, it's steady as she goes,
and you have to think that that'll be the same
side or the bulk of it that'll run out in
about three weeks time against South Africa in that massive

(09:47):
Test at Eden Park as well, he's clearly found as
what he thinks is his best fifteen and probably his
best twenty three, and he's ready to go all in
on those guys.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah. Did you see Patrick's face after he took that knock? Yeah,
my mate, Patrick, Oh you're mall but his first name
now apparently, but we should know who I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Surely it's Paddy Toops.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
If you know, you see Patty Toops's face after I.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
See Patty toops face, have you seen the whole?

Speaker 9 (10:11):
Yeah, the whole?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
It's how long is it going to take for him
to get that repaired?

Speaker 8 (10:16):
I don't know, having never experienced similar injuriest my own face. Look,
I think, but the problem with Paddy Toops isn't the head.
He's actually got another leg injury which has him out
for six weeks. So it's a shame because he is
a big part of this team. I don't think he's
a first choice lock anymore with Scott Barrett and Fabian Holland,
but he's a massive part of what comes off the
bench and the culture of the teams. Hopefully the hole

(10:38):
in the head and his leg cure quickly.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, absolutely. Now what do you make of this five
year deal that Rugby has signed with Sky TV?

Speaker 8 (10:45):
Interesting for a couple of reasons. The free to wear
I think always had to happen around m PC. Every
sports organization now wants a free to wear element in
their broadcast package just to get exposure to get eyeballs,
and so n PC FPC Hartleyan Championship ticks that box.
It's the test matches that sit outside the agreement that
really interests me. Here the five All Blacks tests and

(11:05):
five Black Ferns tests. Outside of this agreement. Where are
these tests going to be and where are we going
to see them? Are we going to see the All
Blacks on Netflix? Yeah, for example, there's one possibility. But
what games are we going to Are we looking at
All Blacks v. South Africa in Saudi Arabia probably, you
know All Blacks Wallabies somewhere in the United States. Probably

(11:27):
you know untapped markets where there are heaps of dollars
and people just want to watch the All Blacks and
New Zealand Rugby can fill their coffers. So it's a
lower deal with Sky it's about eighty five million compared
to one hundred and eleven last time, so they've got
to make that money up somewhere. So it's these traveling
circus of other matches that you know, streaming platforms and

(11:48):
such like, we'll pay big money for. That is the big, interesting,
curious layer to this.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, that is a very interesting part of it. We'll
talk to David Kirk about it when he's with us
after half past five and the ner Ol Weekend Piney.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
Warriors Titans bogie team. Is that such a bogie team?
Is that actually a thing?

Speaker 7 (12:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Titans have beaten us six of the last seven, so
maybe that qualifies a couple of big games tonight as well,
Penrith against the Raiders and then Storm against the Bulldogs.
Four of the top sides going head to head. Look,
if the Warriors went out from here, they're in the four.
So let's just watch them win out from here.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Show when you say every team is a bogie team
for us, because they are like you know, he touched
on kind but also so true Piney, Thank you very
much appreciated, Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosts, because you know
what I mean by that, eh, Like, we could beat
any of these teams any of the time, and then
we could also not because we are our own bogies,
aren't we? Anyway? I'm Heather, assuming he has a phone?

(12:45):
Could the police track Tom Phillips conspiracy theory time? Do
your answer, Scott? His head in his hand already, because
do you know what's coming outs? This is my conspiracy theory.
Do you think the police want Tom Phillips just putting
it out there? Because I feel like our police are
actually quite good at their jobs and I feel like

(13:06):
if they actually wanted to do something, they could and
then the fact that they haven't been able to and
four Winters says to me, what do you think just
leaving it there for you to ruminate on four twenty three?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's Heather do for cy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
They'd be Heather.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
That's pretty unfair to mister Tom Phillips and his role
as the hide and Seek champion of New Zealand. Next, absolutely,
do you know what?

Speaker 10 (13:32):
Proud like?

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Kudos to him though for doing it is I don't
know if you found this when you have young kids,
but I find just doing normal things like going to
Bunnings with children can be quite challenging. You know, you're like, oh, lord,
shall I wait till they're at school or candy and
then I'll go to Bunnings then so I don't have
to take them with me. But he's just like, I
find a trip to Bunnings with a child difficult. He's
gone Bush with three children. That's that's pretty exceptional. Listen.

(13:56):
So I was talking to a much about what happened
with the transgender guidelines. So what's a move which today
is that Sport New Zealand actually asked the government not
to scrap those guidelines. They wrote to the government asked
them not to do it, and the advice was around
the fact that it's quite a challenging area for sports
organizations to address and so it was important that they
have the guidance on how to approach it. That goes

(14:17):
some way to explaining why. If you remember on the
day Raylen Castle did not want to talk about it,
and that will be why, because she actually loved it
and she didn't want to say goodbye to it. Now,
the boys who were on just before I bumped into
the boys as I was heading into the studio and
they were heading out for afternoon drinks or whatever it
is that they do with their free time, and they
said to me, ah, Jeff Colden, Oh you know, Jeff said,

(14:40):
or Jeff wanted to pass on a message to your
Heather that he thinks you need to get with it
and start using your green bin.

Speaker 11 (14:46):
Lord.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
The green bin by the way, if you're not an Auckland,
I apologize as an Auckland issue. But the green bin
is the little food bin, you know, the tiny little
one that looks like like a lego version of your
actual bin. Jeff, just thank you the message. I'm not
going to and I really appreciate that you're trying to
be my dad here, but I am not going to.
And the reason I am not going to be using
my green bin is because I don't know if you've

(15:08):
looked into it, but the cost of you are wasting
the Council's money by using your green bin, because what
happens is that for every ton of carbon that we
are taking out of the atmosphere by using those green bins,
it's costing US fourteen hundred dollars, which is a lot
more than the actual going rate for a ton of carbon,
which is fifty dollars. So if you're into wasting money,

(15:30):
go for your life, chef. But I don't know. I'm
trying to save money, so I'm just checking it all
in the other bins. So, but sometimes the blue bin
as well, I know, shocking. Don't tell the council headline's.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Next hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Elan drive
with one New Zealand tenth of power of satellite mobile
news dogs that'd be where go?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Okay, do you know what?

Speaker 10 (16:10):
Listen to?

Speaker 4 (16:11):
This crack was for one second? Gode as Now, Okay,
that's enough answer.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Now, if you were listening to the show yesterday, I
did express to you how much I hate this song.
I really hate this song. I do, and it's and
I'm open to a lot of music, but it's just
the pitch of the girl's voice, isn't it like it's
really intense. Anyway, we're going to do a poll right
now and if enough people say you hate it, I'm
going to get ants to take it out of the
rotate and sways, it's unfair because it is the number

(16:39):
one song? Is it number one song in New Zealand
at the moment. God only knows what's wrong with us
that this is the case. It's not even real people
singing it's AI. But anyway, hit me with it out
or in nine two nine two and if we've got
enough support then yep, then I went in it and
it's out. Australia has just brought in rules. You if
you've been following what's gone on in Victoria with the
childcare worker and beg a total creep. They've brought rules

(17:02):
in now in order to try to avoid this going
happening again. So every single childcare worker has to go
into a database, they have to have training. They're not
allowed their phones in the childcare center, presumably they have
to stick them out the back where they have their
coffee and tea breaks or whatever. And also every child
care center will now have CCTV installed. Oli Peterson is
going to be with us to talk us through that
after five o'clock. Right now, it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
It's the World wires on News Talks. He'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Sky News in Australia has aired the big interview with
the Israeli Prime Minister benjaminett Yaho. As you would expect,
he had a lot to say about Australia's planned recognition
of a Palestinian state.

Speaker 12 (17:38):
To offer them a state as Tory war terrorism. As
you will encourage more and more and more of this
radicalism in your own country, you will see this violence
and this radicalism in your city.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Big disappointment for people who watch Netflix and now really
like Eric Menendez. Eric and his brother Lyle were convicted
and in prison for killing their parents in nineteen eighty nine.
They've recently been the subjects of that Netflix series and
also a podcast. Eric has today been denied parole by
the California Parole Board. BBC correspondent Peter Bows was at
the hearing.

Speaker 13 (18:11):
We heard from Robert Barton, who is the commissioner of the
Parole Board, and he said that Eric Menandez continued to
pose an unreasonable risk to public safety, that despite what
many had said in his favor, he had not been
a model prisoner.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
And finally, a book that's been overde for eighty two
years has been returned to the San Antonio Library. A
woman checked the book out in nineteen forty three, but
forgot forgot about it, accidentally took it with her when
she moved to Mexico City. Her grandchild has just returned
the book with an apology note. Luckily for them, the

(18:50):
library ditched the late fees four years ago.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
International correspondence with ENS and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business Jonathan Kerry.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
The US correspondence with US Hello, Jonathan Heather.

Speaker 11 (19:03):
Happy Friday to you and everybody across New Zeala.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Mate you two, So what's it been up to in jail?

Speaker 11 (19:09):
Yeah, well exactly right. I mean, this is thirty six
years in a day after Eric Mendez and his brother
killed their parents, Jose and Kiddy Menendez, in a crime
that really rocked Beverly Hills, it rocked Los Angeles, it
rocked the United States, and three and a half decades
on it became a fascination for true crime, the obsessives,

(19:30):
if you like, subject of a couple of documentaries. And
now Eric Menendez, we've seen the first image for him,
have quite some time released publicly, and he has been
denied parole. So look, here you are with a situation
where Lyle Menendez now faces a parole hearing tomorrow, and
you would have to say, if Eric Mendez is not
getting parole, then neither is Lyle. The commissioners have essentially said, look,

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the killing of your mother especially shod a lack of empathy,
Robert Barton said. He went on to say, we recognize
and understand that there were assault victims who find it
hard to come forward that they had claimed that their
their father had sexually abused them, had assaulted them, that
this had come out in the second trial, it had
come out in later documentaries.

Speaker 14 (20:14):
It wasn't believed by the jury.

Speaker 11 (20:16):
In the first instance. And they became this great, big
push a couple of years ago after the Netflix series
and other series became so incredibly popular. But now you've
got this situation where Eric Menendez now can't apply for
parole for another three years, and Lyman Ndez, if your
Lyman end is tonight going to sleep in your San
Diego correctional facility. You're thinking, well, while they even bother

(20:36):
turning up to the come to the parole board hearing tomorrow,
because if my brother's capt that whack, then I'm likely
to get the same thing because they're essentially accused of
the same crime.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, there will be many Netflix viewers who are incredibly disappointed,
like some members of our team today. Now, Yeah, but
you know this is the how do you say this
without being impolite? This is the This is when you
turn murderers into some sort of pop culture status symbols.
I suppose you could say, you just kind of lose

(21:07):
your bearings on things, don't you.

Speaker 11 (21:09):
Yeah, And they became political prawns too, because essentially what
you had was a district attorney fight, which they are
elected individuals here in the United States of America. You
had a Democrat arguing that because of the popularity, largely
of the Netflix series, he was an unpopular district attorney,
he decided he would release them or move to release them.
Then you had a Republican district attorney. He was coming

(21:29):
out and saying, no, that's not right. They killed their parents,
they should stay in prison. So it became a hugely
political issue, and it was a political issue that voters
sided with Republicans onah on this very issue. So look, essentially,
this has been a massive public fight from Eric and
Laha Menendez, from their family members, from their supporters, from
their celebrity attorneys, to the point now where you look

(21:52):
at it the case now and you're going, well, it's
going to be another three years before they're eving up
for parole, even though they got that reduced sentencing from
life to fifty years.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, Jonathan is really quickly tell me what's going on
with this half a billion dollar penalty that Donald Trump
now doesn't have to pay. You'll be having a good day, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (22:06):
I mean he's essentially said, it's a great day for America.
He took to Trut's ohan not long after this judgment
came out. It really was kind of a slit judgment
in one sense, but this was a financial penalty that
was imposed on the Trump organization by New York court
last year after they were accused of essentially inflating their
own value. Now what you've had is an appeals court
to come back today and essentially say, look, what Donald

(22:28):
Trump is not going to have to do is to
pay that money. However, there is a split decision on
whether there is actually sort of criminality involved. There are
some judges on this appeals court who have said yes,
there is corruption involved. So it's not the end of
the road. I mean, Donald Trump is not going to
have to pay the half a billion dollars. So it's
a massive financial win for his organization and ultimately for

(22:50):
his legacy. But this will be dragged out. There's going
to be other appeals court processes. This appeals court that
decided on.

Speaker 14 (22:56):
This today is really just a sort of medium interim
mid range appeals court. It goes to another appellate court
they are looking at trying to throw at the entire
conviction against him. The judges today said, look, that is unlikely.
They essentially still stand by the ruling. What they are
essentially saying, though, is that he should not have to
pay the penalty. The organization should not have to pay

(23:17):
the penalty. But here you have this fascinating situation where
you have a president of the United States of America
who has been handed this huge financial penalty over this issue.
And you've got to remember, too, he still has his
criminal conviction in New York over the Stormy Daniel's case
that still remains in the appeals process if you like.

(23:39):
So you've got this extraordinary situation America has not been
in before where a sitting president of the United States
of America has huge civil cases and criminal cases against him.
And now there is very much plenty of attention on
the appeals process from here. But at least today he's
celebrating some sort of a financial win.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, Jonathan, always good to talk to you. Thank you
so much. But Jonathan Cursley are US correspondent seventeen away
from five? Ever do for c Ellen out out defo
out out out hither out the subway out out I
don't even know what that means. Hither I jumped out
of my seat and shock of that hideous noise out
hither out that screech has got to go out, out

(24:17):
out out, awful out hate the bloody music out out? Ants?
Do you get the message?

Speaker 9 (24:25):
Hanging on Heather?

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Interesting?

Speaker 15 (24:26):
Look this one hither number one in the world. EJ
who sings it? Not a I recorded the chorus in
the bridge while she was on holiday and Kyoto staying
in a quiet neighborhood. She said she had her headphones
on recorded that, so section took her headphones off and
her notes.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
So there are some fans, ants, ants, what proportion of
the text do you read?

Speaker 7 (24:44):
You know what?

Speaker 15 (24:45):
I'm happy to be reasonable. There are eight other songs
from that musical that are in the top ten, so
I'll just switch to one.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
And they were also sung by by Sheep Well.

Speaker 15 (24:51):
To be honest, I thought you were going to like
them less. But since you've don't.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Not a fan of this one know there's something about
that song that is just offensive to the human spirit
and I cannot explain it, but if time I hear it.

Speaker 15 (25:00):
I just checked the charts for this week number one.

Speaker 16 (25:02):
Again.

Speaker 17 (25:02):
Very well done, people, I think this is This is
a point where you step in and you talk to
your children about what they're listening to, because that's not
going to that's got to be bad for the brains.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But hey, answer, you promised me. It's out now, ah out,
let's come on now.

Speaker 15 (25:18):
So long as the boss agrees with you, I am the.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Boss will be. I've just designated myself boss. It's out.
Thank you everyone for coming in with me on this one.
Barri Soapers next quarter.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
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Speaker 4 (25:34):
Barrier, senior political correspondence with us. Hey, Barry, good afternoon.
Who so is BB? Angry with us as well?

Speaker 9 (25:40):
Who's BB?

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Who Barry? Everybody calls him be.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
I've never heard him called before.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
No, it's not us thing, Lord, I would not be giving.

Speaker 9 (25:52):
Credible, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Because who seems to have been around forever? And in
fact he came first came and to offer as the
youngest Israeli prime minister in nineteen ninety six, so next year,
thirty years ago. Quite incredible. But look he's name check
New Zealand as a Western country whose leaders are he said,
buckling under the pressure to recognize the Palestinian state, Well,

(26:16):
New Zealand hasn't done it yet. For his information, he
singled out. He said, for shame, they were shameful Western
leaders in Britain, France and Canada, and then he added
New Zealand, well, those other three have and we were
looking at it and we probably will do I would
imagine at the General Assembly in New York next month

(26:38):
clearing Gaza cety. Interestingly, the decision that they've made, it's
a war crime in itself. If they flattened Garza said.
He they cut off water supply, they cut off food supply.
That is literally under the UN Convention of war crime.
So you know he should be reflecting on that not
but he reflects on very much, I might say. And Yaho,

(27:00):
of course, is unrepentant about what's happening in Gaza City
and in a podcast said if they wanted to carry
out genocide, they could have.

Speaker 9 (27:08):
Done it in an afternoon. Even to mention the.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Word genocide I find absolutely incredible. The Israeli leader used
Australia as an example of what the Aussies would do
in the same circumstances, but he denies people are being
deliberately starved.

Speaker 12 (27:23):
Two million people are now getting access to humanitarian aids.
But I'll tell you who is it. The only ones
that are being deliberately starved in Gaza are our hostages.
If they're right next to Melbourne or right next to Sydney,
you had this horrific attacks, and I think you would
do it at least what we're doing, probably maybe not
as efficiently and as as precisely as we're doing it.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
It's incredible, isn't it. There's sort of no remorse there
at all. I find the whole situation as you do,
I know, and I find it just so disturbing that
the world can come to this.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, totally on a brighton note, good day to be
a dairy farmer is in right, It's a.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Totally good day to be a dairy farmer. And you
know Fonterra three point eight four five billion dollars massive
amount of money. I did my sons, and I know
you know that I'm good at sums. Here there are
eight thousand shareholder dairy farmers and Fonterra, and if you
divvy that up, which of course you wouldn't do because

(28:21):
some own more than others, you get four hundred thousand
dollars apiece for each dairy farmer, and the shares are
allocated on the basis of the amount of milk solids
that they supply each season. So there'll be some that
will be getting a massive windfall from this. And the

(28:42):
prime ministers are right behind the Fonterra sale obviously, he
says that the money will at least be spent in
this country.

Speaker 18 (28:51):
Fonterra's strategy is about business to business. Many of us
have been off overseas and we've seen the work that
they do selling their products as products are and to
say Korean bakers, it's a much larger market than trying
to sell consumer branded goods. That's going to a very
good purchaser of the business, and importantly, that money now
gets returned back to the farming community. It's a three

(29:11):
point eight billion dollar sale. Three point two billion dollars
of it goes back to the farmers shareholders themselves. That
is money that goes back into the local economies that
then gets to be spent in those economies and that
has a big flow and effect within the economy as well,
in good stimulus in the economy.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yeah, I think that's great, and when you look they've
got a long term. Part of this is a long
term agreement with Lactylus, which is the French company to
sell milk and ingredients to them, So you know we'll
be selling our produce to them, so branding doesn't matter
that much. I think the fact that we're going to
be able for many years to come sell product in

(29:47):
is a good thing.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Hey, very quickly, because I don't have a lot of time.
But Todd mcclays he got anywhere with his meetings, Well.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
No he hasn't.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
He pointed out to them that look, we impose zero
point three percent at tariff's on American goods coming into
this country. Well that will neither go here nor there
as far as they're concerned. But he met with Ambassador,
the Secretary of Agriculture Brook Roland, and the trade representative
Jamison Greer. They are having more meetings later and Sully well,

(30:20):
but those scheduled to have meetings anyway at APEC and
these stags of summit places like that. But I think
we're going to have to live with that fifteen percent
regardless of whether we're spending money in the UK.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Stone now, Barry, thanks very much, Barry so for senior
political correspondent. We'll read the political week that was just
after six o'clock. It's seven away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, so's.

Speaker 19 (30:43):
The wonderful world of the Central Bank and their view
of where we're asked? Christian Hartsby, Acting Reserve Bank Governor's.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Back with us.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
That's really been the economy stalling over this Q two
that's revised down, and that's what we're responding to.

Speaker 20 (30:53):
The Q two.

Speaker 19 (30:54):
A lot of people saw it coming and were yelling
and you didn't. How come you didn't see it? Well,
we saw some of that come through in the early
phase and we indicated that there was some signs.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
The essence then there's been even more signed till.

Speaker 10 (31:06):
We've got more confidence that we can lower rate and
we can lower them very quite great to hear.

Speaker 19 (31:10):
But you should have done that already.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
We just look forward from where we are is all
we can do.

Speaker 19 (31:15):
We played a board in front of us back Monday
from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's real
Estate Newstalk z B and.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
I've got a question for you text Heather. Since no
one buys a record as such. These days, how do
you become number one number of downloads?

Speaker 15 (31:32):
I think we could get someone from a record of
music and z on if you really want an interview
on this. As I understand it, they look at the
number of streams, but if people have bought the physical
CD or a download or something like that, that counts
for that counts as a greater waiting than just streaming
it because someone who owns a city is going to
listen to it multiple times. They have they have this
weird algorithm.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So there's a magic algorithm that is happening that determines
what the number one is and we're not sure what
it is, and I'm starting to feel like this is
a conspiracy.

Speaker 15 (32:00):
Well, so the thing is if lots You're right, and
that lots of kids like the song, So if they
have all day to just listen to it over and
over and over again, that could be part of why.
But I have spoken to a lot of parents since
we're talking about this. I've spoken to a lot of
parents whose kids are obsessed with this movie and when
they watch the movie over their kids shoulders, like one
of them said that they now have a favorite song,
like they're like the movie was actually that good that

(32:21):
they got to the point.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
What called it demon Hunters? Is that the one? Yeah,
the ke Pop demon hunt Well, this does happen to
parents because, as it turns out, my favorite poor Patrol
character is Rubble. So who I know?

Speaker 15 (32:32):
I think ever personally I just.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Do want to know. Well, yeah, own minor character, minor character,
give it. Yeah, but Chase is annoying because he's too much.
Gese's annoying, like go and be the head boy if
you want to. And Marshall is so crap at his job.
It's Rubble every day anyway. Myles Harrell Fonterra Ceo with
us next, and then let's talk about the banking report

(32:55):
which has come out from a select committee. We've waited
fourteen months for it and Ierican farmers will be stoked.
But Propbling no one else really stand by news Dogs,
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Speaker 4 (33:33):
They'd be good afternoon. Fontira has agreed to one off
if not the biggest sale in the country's history. French
food group Lacdalise has agreed to pay three point eight
four five billion dollars for the consumer business, including brands
like Anchor and mainland Fonterra. Share price is shot up
nearly twenty percent today. Chief executive is Miles Harrel. High
Miles afternoon, So when did you guys wrap up the deal?

Speaker 21 (33:57):
Very early as this morning. It's been a long, long
couple of days for the team. But you're great, great
to put pen to paper earlier hour this morning here.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, were you pleased to hear it when you when
you heard the final number?

Speaker 14 (34:07):
Yes, we were.

Speaker 21 (34:08):
I mean we've been, as I say, working some long
days to get to this point. There's always a lot,
a lot of detail behind the number itself. But now
really please, and of course please it to go to
a company like lack to Lease that have a strong presence,
global presence that we can work collectively with.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Do you reckon the farmers are going to sign off
on it?

Speaker 21 (34:25):
Well, I mean, ultimately it's their call, but but I
think you know it's a number that you know above
the expectations, as you say, and the fact that we've
already announced that we'll go out with a two dollars
capital return to our farmers. I think those things will
will help. I mean there's a lot, a lot of
emotional connections to these brands, not just used it in public,
but our farmers as well. So yeah, they'll ask those
questions and we'll be about talking to them. But at
this point, the feedback I've had for farmers has all

(34:47):
been positive.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
It's been estimated that the average dairy farmer in the
white cutle we get about four hundred thousand dollars from it.
Is that about right?

Speaker 21 (34:56):
Yeah, that's about right. You know, it depends on the
farmers that are significantly big them that of course, and
others on the other side. But yeah, that's a been an
average farmer I think, yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Trush, well I would say yes to that, wouldn't you.

Speaker 21 (35:07):
Well, yeah, of course. But it's a capital return, so
it's not like it's fallen from the sky. This is
capital I've had invested in the cop for a number
of years and so they're the questions that they'll ask.
But you know, it comes back to, you know, what
we've decided as a cooperative that we're going to go
after it's that ingredients business, it's food service, and we
believe that's where the returns are not just for now,
but into the long term, and so I think they'll

(35:27):
support that.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Part of the deal is a long term agreement for
Fonterra to sell milk and ingredients to these guys. How
long is that.

Speaker 21 (35:34):
For will they vary depending on sort of what products
we're talking about. But you know we've talked about the
fresh milk agreement, which you know goes into sort of
the anchor two leaders. As we'll all know. You know,
there's a ten year agreement behind that, so you know
they're here for the long term and our farmers should
be pleased with that, as should the New Zealand public.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Part of the criticism of this is that you're backing
away from value added products, which we have for the
longest time being told is the key to New Zealand's
economic future. What's your response to that criticism.

Speaker 21 (36:01):
We have three key channels, you know, the food service
that out of home consumption that you buy on a
restaurant or a bakery, and the ingredients business and the
consumer which you buy in the supermarket. Those three channels.
For since the Cooperative formation in two thousand and one.
That has been the lowest performing channel for a long time.
And so you know, there be a variety of reasons

(36:22):
that it is an expensive business to maintain. You've got
to continue to invest in it, and so there are
probably some reasons behind it. But we'll shown for a
long time that our core business of collection, process and
ingredients and that food service business you know, returns above
the cost of capital for our farmer owners. And that's
for therefore that to will put out our investment going forward.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
So now that you're getting rid of this particular part
of the business, where do you focus your energy more intently?

Speaker 21 (36:47):
Yeah, so it's that advanced ingredients, you know, and you've
got you know, the developed economies of North America, Europe
which are in Japan career, which are spending more on
health and wellness, and that's right in our wheelhouse. So
that's where we will go. And of course China and
Asia Pacific around that out of home consumption, so you know, bakeries,
restaurant chains are fast foods is a huge market still

(37:09):
to be tapped in that rule.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Well, isn't the argument here, Miles, actually that the advanced
ingredients is actually value added. Chopping up a block of
butter and sticking a wrapper on it is not really
value added.

Speaker 21 (37:21):
Well, that's that's sort of the argument. There's not a
lot of science that goes into into a block of butter.
That that's the You know, we pride ourselves in the
way we farm and and the taste profile and the functionality.
But you know that the ip that sits in behind
you know, a sports drink for for athletes or not
even athletes these days, but you know that the joe
public that's out there going for a run or a
bike ride. I mean the science that goes into some

(37:42):
of those proteins. That that's what we believe our future is.
And as I say, that's where the value is for
us now and into the future.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
So is it too early to crack a bottle of champagne?

Speaker 21 (37:52):
Yeah, I've got a few more media calls to do
for the rest of the evening, and farmer calls are
infat late into the night, so too early for that,
But we'll see what the week holds.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Good for you, Miles, enjoy it. Miles Hurrell, chief executive
at Fonterra. Twelf past five, Heather Do for CLA Parliament's
Banking Inquiry has finally released its report. There's no silver
bullet in it. Recommendations include things already underway, including the
capitalization of Kiwi Bank, but also banks being more transparent
with Farmers Ax Finance spokesperson Todd Stevenson was on the committee.

(38:21):
Hey Todd, Hi, Heather, how are you well? Thanks mate.
Now none of this is actually going to massively change
the game competition wise.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Is it.

Speaker 22 (38:28):
Look No, as you said, there's no silver bullet. I
never we never really thought nacked there would be. But look,
there are some things that do need to be addressed.
And look, I think the bank inquiries had some success already, Heather.
You mentioned Reserve Banks already looking at its capital requirements.
They announced that during this inquiry, which I think is
quite interesting. I think they could see what.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Was said, come on now. That was because Nikola was
giving them the hard word in the meetings.

Speaker 17 (38:51):
Ah.

Speaker 22 (38:52):
Look, no, people were turning up at the Select Committee
saying it was a real problem, and I think they
saw where it was going to hit you. I mean
the other one too is open banking, with some prog
gress has been made on that too.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
During the link.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Of course, the inquiry, Why do you say that there
is no silvable do you think do you nact think
there is no competition problem.

Speaker 22 (39:09):
No, there's definitely a competition problem. I agree with that.
It's just that you've got to do a number of
things to actually increase that competition. And you mentioned rural banking.
I mean, well, I think looking at the capital requirements
and making sure that they are appropriate and we can
actually get new players into New Zealand, whether they're local
or overseas, that's definitely an area that needs focus, and

(39:32):
that's around capital requirements, around the other rules, and just
making sure it's actually easier to enter the New Zealand market.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah, do you reckon farmers are going to be stoked
with your recommendations. I think they might be.

Speaker 22 (39:42):
Look, you know, my colleague Mark Cameron was relentless at
questioning what was going on around particularly rural lending. Some
things obviously have come out about the different kind of
risks and interest rates that rural customers are forced to
kind of deal with, and so yeah, I think we're
going to see some aggress there, Todd.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Thanks for your time, mate. Todd Stevenson, Member of the
Finance and Expenditure Committee an ex Finance spokesperson, and we
wanted to speak to the chair, Cameron Brewer, but Cameron
didn't want to speak about it. And it baffles me.
Why you put out a report and they're not talk
about the report that you've been working on for more
than a year.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Fourteen past five, Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
If you had zesprion with Mike yesterday, one of the
things that they were pretty stoked about was that they
were getting this health claim recognized in Europe. We've now
got the details of the health claim. The European Commission
has approved the health claim that green kiwi fruit consumption
contributed to normal bowel function by increasing stool frequency based
on eating two of the fruits each day. Now, this

(40:38):
is the first ever fresh fruit to receive an authorized
health claim from the European Commission like this, and it's
fifteen years in the making, and this is good news.
So if you don't if people don't already love kiwi
friends a thousand reasons to love kiwi fruit, then surely
they're going to love it even more after this quarter past.
As I've told you, we got the Rugby deal signed.

(40:59):
It's sky obviously has been chosen again as the broadcaster
of choices, reportedly been signed for seventy five to eighty
million dollars. Also had Sky's results announced today which isn't flashed,
does a big berg drop in its profits for the
year to June. We're going to talk to Sky's CEO
after six o'clock, but after five point thirty David Kirk,
the Chair of Rugby is going to be with us,
so standby for that eighteen past five right now. Now,

(41:21):
following that huge controversy over the creep who's been working
in daycares in Victoria, Australia has just announced strict new
rules for childcare centers ECE workers will have to put
their names on a database, they will have to attend
mandatory safety training, they will not be able to use
their cell phones at work, and CCTV cameras will be
placed in three hundred centers around the country. Oli Pederson
is the presenter for six PR Perth Live over in

(41:43):
Perth with us right now, Hey, Oli, Hey, Heather. What's
been the reaction to this?

Speaker 23 (41:47):
I think is largely positive and I actually think probably
the best part of the announcement today is that there
will be inspections at these childcare centers which are unannounced,
so that really puts every childcare center in Australia on
nine that at any time the inspectors can arrive and
make sure that everything is what it should be. So
we've already seen some states jump, like where I am

(42:08):
in Western Australia, they followed the lead of Victoria and
South Australia in banning personal mobile phones in childcare centers
and by the end of the year it will become
a requirement. The Attorney's generals are also working through this
in the States and with the Commonwealth government to roll
out closed circuit television networks, so there'll be security cameras

(42:29):
put in pretty much every childcare So look, from my
point of view, head, as you said those allegations made
by that absolute creepover in Victoria, I think the federal
government has done everything it could do, and I do
think the minister responsible for this, the Federal Education, mister
Jason Clare, he was very very strong on it this morning,
So I think that they've acted very quickly. You've got

(42:50):
to give the government and the state government's credit here
for obviously reacting to this situation and trying to beef
up the regulations as quickly as they possibly could.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
What putting their names on a database have stopped this
creep from being able to do what he did. Well,
that's a good question.

Speaker 23 (43:06):
I think it comes back to these working with children checks,
and I already know that New South Wales has jumped
a bit earlier on that.

Speaker 16 (43:11):
So they want to try and obviously prevent individuals who
are seen.

Speaker 23 (43:14):
As posing a risk the safety of children from working
in a child related and employment.

Speaker 16 (43:18):
But look, I've had one of these. I've had a
working with children check as a junior cricket coach. It's
really easy to do. You walk into a post office,
you get a.

Speaker 23 (43:26):
Form, you fill it out, and it's done and you
never hear from them again. So will this database actually
mean that this wouldn't happen again.

Speaker 16 (43:34):
Probably not, let's be blunt about it.

Speaker 24 (43:36):
But it will obviously raise a red flag if a
particular childcare worker shouldn't be in that setting, so that
when they go to obviously apply for a job and
they put your name to the database and they say
we can't employ Aliver Peterson, well then they're not going
to hopefully employ Aliver Peterson.

Speaker 23 (43:50):
But if you change your name or you get some
way of getting around one of these police checks. Then
you know this situation could happen.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Here now only you have said on the show that
you don't like or men rather working in daycare centers.
You find it weird? Does this make you feel better
about it?

Speaker 16 (44:05):
Not really like?

Speaker 23 (44:06):
And I know I might sound a bit you know,
old fashioned saying that, but I you know, even talking
with my friends, and I'm not.

Speaker 16 (44:12):
I'm a young dad, right, I've got a three year
old and a seven year old. You know that.

Speaker 23 (44:16):
But I just I find the idea, I suppose a
bit creepy that you know, another man might be changing
my my son's nappy for example, or wiping his bottom.
And I realize that sounds probably, you know, straightaway sexist.
You're thinking, what are you talking about, Ollie? Mums do
it all the time. Why can't dads do it? I
just feel uncomfortable with it. And yep, call me old fashion,
that's fine, but I don't.

Speaker 14 (44:37):
I just don't.

Speaker 16 (44:38):
I just don't know why men would want to work
in childcare settings. It just gives me the x.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Ollie. What I love about you is you just so
forthright and you do not you do not hold back
your opinion. Mate, Thank you so much, really appreciate it.
Olli Peterson six PR Perth Live Present. I suppose if
you're going to be sexist, at least you be sexist
against your own, aren't you. Smith City bad news. Look,
you know, I think I think there may be a
point here that we need to be a little bit
more optimistic about you know, a little bit LEAs doom

(45:05):
and gloom about the economy, right, and I think, why
don't we give it a home, see what we can
do here. But we have to also be realistic about
what is actually happening. So unfortunately, Smith's City is another victim.
Not altogether gone, but it has announced it's closing some
of its stores. Nelson, blenh And Wellington, Palmeston, North toteng A,
they've already closed, Wanaka store is in the process of
shutting out shop. They once had thirty five stores. They've

(45:25):
been around. I don't know if you realize this in
the country for one hundred and seven years. Once had
thirty five stores. Now they only have eleven. And as
the owner, Colin Neil said, retail is tough. It's the economy.
You don't buy a TV to Eat five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather dup Clan
Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Like no one else news talks.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
They'd be here the Miles Horrell has already said, Lactalise
will take this to another level. Why doesn't Fonterra to
do the same, Pete, Very good question. We'll come back
to that five twenty five. Seems to me that Penny
henades Shenanigans in the by election right now is exactly
the kind of thing that Labor has to knock on
the head quick smart if they want to be in
the game at the election next year.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
As we were discussing earlier, even though Carmel Sepaloni has
told Penny off for saying that he wants to repeal
the gang patch ban, he is not backing down, right.
He said it on Wednesday, they told him on Thursday,
and today he's not backing down. He's repeated it because
he says it's his personal view if not the labor parties,
and he has far no experience. Now why he's actually

(46:30):
doing this, in my opinion, is because the Marti Party
is doing it. That's the real reason because if you
have a look at what actually happened on Wednesday night
in that by election candidate's meeting, it was the Maori
Party candidate or any kaipitter who first answered the question.
The question was will you repeal the ban? She said yes,
and after she said yes, Pennie Henade then said yes too. Now,
maybe he does truly believe that it is the right

(46:50):
thing to do, but as I told you, it makes
no sense as a political calculation. Why would you chase
the vote of ten thousand Gang members if doing that
means that you lose the votes of I don't know,
maybe one hundred thousand normal Kiwis who think the band
is a good idea. The only answer to that question
is because you actually don't care about the one hundred
thousand votes. You're not trying to help the Labor Party
when you're just trying to win your electorate seat in

(47:12):
one of the Marti electrics, and you will say whatever
it takes to match the Mahori Party. Now, Labour needs
to sort the stuff out before the next election. If
Penny or other candidates, or Willie Jackson, or even the
entire Labor Party keeps chasing the Maori Party down the
nutty Radical roll wrote they will lose Middle New Zealand,
just like they did when Jacinda was being told what
to do by William Nanaya. If I was giving them advice,

(47:32):
it would be to leave the nutty stuff to the
Mardi Party and go to the center themselves. Again, maybe
it means MPs like Penny Hanaa will lose their seats,
but that may be the sacrifice you have to make
in order to win the election. Ever, Dup s Allen, Hey,
get a load of this. David Kirk, by the way,
off Rugby is going to be with us. He's the chair.
He'll be with us straight after the news. Get a
load of this. Serena Williams, as in like the tennis legend,

(47:55):
has just admitted that she has been using ozepic like
drugs to lose weight. She hasn't said which one it is,
but it's one of those ones in that category. A
zepic will go v all those kinds of things. She
said she did it because after she had babies she
just could not get back to her original, her pre
baby weight. And this is even despite the fact that
she was playing tennis as a professional athlete. She could

(48:16):
not do it. She was walking all of the time,
she was doing everything. She could could not do it.
Run and walk for hours to lose weight impossible. So
as a result she had the old weight loss drugs
and now, I mean you should see the photographs of it.
Like a she is a she's a shadow, like quite
a hot shadow. But she's a shadow of what she

(48:37):
used to be. Now do you just give up? I mean,
do you just give up? Now? If even Serena cannot
drop the baby weight, what hope is there for anybody else?
Uses next?

Speaker 10 (48:51):
What a wind? What of Wigeon?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Dupless, the
Ellen drive with one New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile, New Stalks b.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Sports. Tuddle is standing by Heather. You don't give up.
This is res Aerina. You hit fifty ish menopause, Kison,
you lose muscle mass and the scales will drop about
five kgs. Something to look forward to. Thank you. Twenty
four away from sex Now, New Zealand Rugby has committed
to Sky TV for another five years. Every All Blacks
match will be on Sky, every NPC match and a

(49:43):
few Fara Palmer Cup games will be on TV and
Z and TV and Z plus free to air obviously.
David kirkis chair of New Zealand Rugby. Hey David, hi, ever,
do you feel like you've got a good deal.

Speaker 25 (49:53):
Yeah, I think we've got we've got a good deal,
a good deal for both parties. I think it's been
long long journey. Both both bodies have have worked hard
and I think we've got to a place which works
for both of us.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Yeah, what what took you guys so long? Because you've
been negotiating for such a long time.

Speaker 9 (50:10):
Yeah, I think this is pretty complex.

Speaker 25 (50:13):
There's there's a lot of new content that's come into
it in the Nation's Cup, the greatest rivalry. We've got
the Women's Lions coming to New Zealand during the next
five year period and also the Men's Lions. So there's
a lot of content and also there's a lot of
there's a lot of platforms these days, and so you
know you need to be negotiating you know, cross platform

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as it were, so Sky obviously the core component, but
they've got their own, they've got two or three platforms
as well. We've got TVNZ a range of other people
who have been involved in the process along the way.
So just you know, just a complex deal to get done.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Why have it was it you who asked for the
MPC to be on TV and Z.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
That was sort of a way.

Speaker 25 (51:01):
The most appropriate way to think about that was it
was a way of breaking a bit of an impasse
because Sky had got to a level that they were
prepared to pay, they thought it was appropriate for them
to pay, and we weren't happy with that, and so
we needed to look for ways in which we could

(51:21):
bridge the gap. In One of the ways was to
find the third party that was was able to contribute
financially for some content that Sky was prepared to also
effectively share. So that's how we got to all ninety
three of the NPC games being broadcast on TV, inst

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and far up on the Cup Games and Heartland Games.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Do you think that it will? I mean, because you know,
one of the sad things I suppose about the Super
Rugby era is that that that the NPC has kind
of dropped out of favor in terms of what we
were interested in. Do you think it might lift it
up again?

Speaker 9 (51:58):
I think it will.

Speaker 25 (51:59):
I think we're very hopeful it will because I mean
you've got to see it to do it really in
a way, you know, it really helps you. And if
you think about club players up and down across New Zealand,
their next step, the thing they most aspire to is
NPC rugby and if they can and if they can
see NCP being played, they can see the people that

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they've played club rugby against playing n PC rugby on television.
You know that that helps with that aspiration, with that pathway.
I certainly know that was certainly the way I thought
about it when I was playing. So I think, yes,
I think it'll be great to have far more people
able to look to watch NPC rugby.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Now, those five exhibition games that are not going to
go to Sky, who do you think might buy them?

Speaker 25 (52:47):
Interesting question? They're not actually exhibition games. They fall on
test matches.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
But they're not they're unannounced test matches that set outside
the regular stuff, right.

Speaker 25 (52:56):
Correct, So there's five test matches that are not part
of the domestic broadcast agreement. And we don't actually know
what those test matches are yet or where they'll be
played or against home or what time zone, but they'll
be serious test matches and well we you know, there's
no final decision on how we would look you know,

(53:19):
what we would look to do with those test matches
in terms of how we you know, make them financial.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I mean, could you sell them to Netflix in the
same way that that you know, you have the Tyson
Tyson Fury boxing match or something we.

Speaker 25 (53:31):
Could sell to anyone. Yeah, and Sky certainly would be
able to We'll be able to bid for them, but
so will other global streamers, and so will we potentially
think about, you know, running them free to air. It
will just depend on what our particular you know, what
we want to get out of that, what benefits we
want to get out of those matches.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Yeah, David, thank you for your time. Appreciate it so much.
It's David Kirk, New Zealand Rugby Chair right now, twenty
away from six Sports.

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Speaker 15 (54:11):
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the All Blacks and Samasny tacky.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
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Speaker 7 (54:18):
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Speaker 17 (54:27):
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Speaker 10 (54:32):
Bar take pots to ten.

Speaker 22 (54:34):
I've always actually wanted to go and play in Australia.
Is that opportunity came and I just thought I just
do something for myself and for my netports.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Sports tittle this evening Nathan Lemon News Talks he'd be
sports reporter and Lavina Good sports journalist.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Hello you two, Hello, Hello Kirot.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I'm nice to speak to you.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Both now, Nathan, what do you think of those five
floating games? Bizarre?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Right?

Speaker 20 (54:58):
I have no idea where they could go with that
if it lies outside of the regular scheduling for tests
every year. I mean, the all blacks that already play
quite a lot, so to have five more, you'd think
they'd be spaced out over a number of years. So
we're thinking maybe what one extra each year?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
I've thought it was the five four the five years,
like five games over the five years, so maybe just
one a year.

Speaker 20 (55:18):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, So like, yeah,
I have no idea where they'd go with this or
what sort of opposition they look to. Do you do
you look to someone that we don't normally play and
the other aspect is who comes into the play in
terms of who's going to broadcast it, because obviously, you
know there's the obvious ones like our ones, the TV
and Z three, that sort of thing. But I don't
think we should rule out the major overseas streaming platforms.

(55:40):
We've seen the likes of Dezone get really into sport lately.
Obviously they've done a lot of boxing, They've also got tennis.
Now Disney has all of ESPN. If you want to
watch the NBA, you get Disney Plus. So let's not
rule out them and the big guns the NBA. I
don't think anyone from New Zealand's going to be able
to compete with them.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
No, it'll be it'll be Saudi Arabia or something. Weren't
it Lavina.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah, so as well. I mean there's no competition in
terms of those big sports. But yeah, I mean you
need to weigh up what's working and what isn't working.
And at the moment New Zealand Rugby are saying we
need to get a signing on the board, we need
to make sure we can expose everything that's needed to
be there. But you've also got to consider, like the
ninety three provincial matches that are free to air on

(56:20):
TV and said that's great for rugby. You need to
capture the fans and if you're not capturing the fans,
you've got no chance.

Speaker 16 (56:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Isn't this a levina? Isn't this a lesson that we
have learned about putting sport behind the paywall is that
it brings in the dollars up front, but long term
you start to lose the fans and the kids.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Want to well, I mean have that to be honest,
that's what's happening with Netbull New Zealand at the moment.

Speaker 25 (56:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
And if you don't capture that grassroots and investment and pathways,
if you're just all about let's get the broadcast deal,
make money and corporate bring it in, then then you'll
lose the audience. And if you lose the audience, as
we've seen for Netbulls, and that's a massive concern, a
massive concern.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Now, Nathan, are you starting to get a little worried
about how many ball as we're losing to Australia in
the UK?

Speaker 20 (57:02):
Yes, it's got to the point where it is concerning
the number of players who are leaving. We knew that
there would be a handful of major players of silver fans,
sort of around five or six who would go to
Australia and have the exemptions. The issue is we are
now getting a lot of players who don't have the exemption,
who aren't in the silver Fans, who are still choosing
to leave the A and Z Premiership.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Because Nathan, it's not just an exemption story, right. We
were talking about the exemptions what like a year ago,
but it's been exemption granted at the same time as
and we're not paying.

Speaker 20 (57:30):
You one hundred percent. There are two There are two
issues here, the broadcast deal and the exemptions, and I
think they're actually intertwined because if you're a broadcaster and
you're going do I want to broadcast the A and
Z Premiership, what you want to know is who's going
to be playing in the A and Z Premiership? Who
are the big stars who are going to attract the audience.
And if they know that actually they're going to be
handing out the exemptions and the six best players in

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New Zealand are going to leave, then it's not going
to be as tantalizing a product for a broadcast tobid
on and then you have less money to play, the
pay the players. The player are going to be taking
a pay cut, So the players then have to make
a decision of do I want to stay here and
take a pay cut I'm not in the silver fans,
or do I want to go to Ossie make Bank,
play in a better competition and live a better lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Yeah, it's a no brainer, Levina. What about Kitty Wills
has said today that basically the ains In Premiership has
become a development competition. Is that true?

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Well, look, I don't know if it's true, but it's
like she's touted it and asked many questions. But the
thing is if the Ains Premiership could attract even half
of the international talent that Australia has done, then it
would be a much better competition. And it's a real
kind of balancing act for netball New Zealand at the moment.
You know, they need to start treating the league like

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it's a product to sell. It's not a stepping stone.
If it's a stepping stone, we've lost nine players. We'll
lose another twenty if we're not careful, and we need
to make sure that New Zealand witness netble watch netball
and support netball and to do that, get the Aussie
players over here, get more money. You've got to get
more money, get the Aussies over here and make it
a better competition to watch.

Speaker 20 (59:03):
It is becoming a development league though with the number
of play there is not the depth in New Zealand
to keep the talent to keep the level of competition
the same. The Tactics have lost seven players. There are
only seven players on the court at a time, right,
so that's the entire team, and the Pulse have lost
five and we're talking about five frontline starting player silver Ferns.
You can't just bring up an entire team's worth of

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development players, girls who are coming out of school who
aren't at hayin Z level and expect them to just
play A and Z Premiership and be at the same level.
It's not going to be the same product.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
No, You're going to have to import a lot of players. Okay,
let's take a break and come back. Shortly fourteen away
from six.

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Speaker 4 (59:47):
You're back with the sports huddle. Nathan Limb Lavina, Good Lavina,
what are the chances the Warriors end up in the
top four.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Oh goodness, I honestly I think they'll make the top four.
And as for tomorrow against the Titans, it's great. They've
got Capewell back and so mighty Martin and we all
know Jackson Ford will not be playing. But like the
Titans beat them sixty six to six last year, Heather,
and it was like quite a flogging and the Warrior
was you know that, yeah, the Warrior, Heather. The Warriors

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are fifth and the Titans at seventeen. So here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
About the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
They win the games we expect them to win, they
lose the games that we think, you know. So I
just think I don't know, like I reckon they will
beat the Titans tomorrow, but they certainly have a couple
of teams breathing down their necks, including the Roosters and
the Panthers and the Broncos. And what I've seen from
the Warriors so far, I do not think they will

(01:00:42):
finish in the top four when it comes to the finals.
And it's been like the last time a top eight
finals format was introduced was nineteen ninety nine. No team
outside of the top five has won anything for a
premiership in nineteen ninety nine. But the product is so good,
it's so good to watch, it doesn't really matter. I
do not think they'll make the top four.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Nathan.

Speaker 20 (01:01:01):
The Warriors have the Titans, the Eels and the Seagulls left.
All three of those teams have really struggled this year.
If the Warriors lose to the Titans, it'll be the
seventh last in the last eight games. And the Big
League podcast on Monday is going to be very morbid.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
But is that your podcast?

Speaker 20 (01:01:16):
It is my podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
It's z Big thought them, so we get the plug in.

Speaker 20 (01:01:20):
It's fine, but no, Look the Warriors, it's been the
whole thing all year has been injuries. If you lose
your half back and you lose your best forward in
Mitch Barnett, you are going to struggle. The fact that
Warriors are still in the top four is remarkable in itself.
If they can get past the Titans, they'll still be
top four with two games to go. Look, I think

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they can do it, but it feels a long way away.
And the NRL is a competition where you can have
the seventeenth place team knocking off one of the top
four teams, which is what makes it so good that
the thing is though, if they limp through to the finals,
it's still in the same place and suddenly everything goes
up agear. So if they finished top four, it's still
not looking likely that they make a very fire on

(01:02:03):
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Okay, well they won't for this top four, they won't
be okay, right, So it's just it's low expectations. You
never know what might happen. Now, I'm told Levina that
you were at the World Games this week, and my
question is what are the World Games?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Well, the World Games are held every four years and
they consist of sports that have not been invited into
into the Olympics, and it's like a massive event. There's
four thousand athletes that are competing and trying to showcase
their sport. New Zealand did very well in life saving,
a couple of gold medals in fact. But I had

(01:02:38):
a chat with the life saving peeps afterwards and said,
you guys did great, and they're like, you know what,
we actually we're not competing well enough against the European country.
So what the word I had heither from the life
saving piece was why don't we join forces with Australia.
Why don't we join forces. Why don't we get all
the funding, all the pathways, everything together, and then we

(01:02:59):
can beat Belgium, Italy and Germany. And I'm like, that's
never going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
I thought there was going to be the vision for
the future. Nathan.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
It might happen, It might happen, It might happen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
All right, thank you very much, guys. Nathan. What's the
name of the podcast we need to look out for
on Monday?

Speaker 20 (01:03:15):
The Big League Podcast on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Heather don't say I don't do him any favors.

Speaker 26 (01:03:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Thank you to Nathan Limb and Lavina Good our sports
huddle this evening eight away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Hither that's sort of talk about netball competition in New
Zealand's not helpful. We have been the first, second, or
the third in the world. We're not an appendage to Australia.
We just have to get a good business model in
place and we can do it. Graham, I appreciate your
enthusiasm and your optimism, but unfortunately the best case scenario
for netball, and you talk to anybody who you know
watches this and analyzes it and is interested in it.
Excuse me. The best case scenario for netball in this

(01:03:55):
country is that we limp through for the next two
years or so. This is what Nathan and I would
just discuss during the ad break. Limp through for the
next couple of years until the broadcast deal comes up
for the Australian competition. Then get a team or two
in there. That'll be the start of twenty eight. That's
the best case scenario basically for netball. So we will
be well, not an appendage, just part of now. Four

(01:04:17):
away from six Happy World Poetry Day. It is today
at the Women's bookstore on pontsib we had a big
sign out the front you could pull a little poem
off the poetry tree. That of course they did and
I did. I pulled what wasn't a good one anyway.
So I have come armed with my favorite poem. I'm
going to read you my fa I know, I know,
did you know? I mean, who has a favorite poem?

Speaker 14 (01:04:38):
Me?

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Here it is death. Prepare yourself, Please make yourself comfortable.
If you've got a whiskey. Get it. Let's have a
poetry reading. It's called Death Called By, and it's by
Sam Hunt, and it's from his book of poems about rivers.
You know, the one that's about the hooky younger. You
know the one I'm talking about Death called By the
other day. No one was a home at the time.

(01:05:02):
A note said, sorry I missed you stuck under the
front door, Matt. I'm sorry I missed him too. I
would have asked him on in, told him to kick
off his boots and leave his sigh at the gate.
We would have had a catch up, maybe rolled up
a number. I'd tell him I was pissed off at
the friends he'd taken out. Death would have passing the joint,
agreed it was just a job he was sent here

(01:05:23):
to do. Then he would ask what about you?

Speaker 25 (01:05:27):
You like it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Are you trying to understand it, Laura? Did you get
it okay? Because what it was is he Death came
to visit him to get him ah, and he was.
They were just having a chat, and then he was
going to take him off with him as well. So
there's no point being pissed off if he's going to
go see your friends in a minute, aren't you anyway?
There you go, so now you can say that you
know things. By the way, the four middle aged Pontsibly

(01:05:51):
dads and their cocaine deal. I have confirmed their concert
as we expected that they would. Was it at nine am?

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
Nine?

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Yeah, this is five. I'm talking about Auckland Trust Serena
Monday Twitter. You've changed the music on us, an't you ants?
Here you go May next year at the trusts Arena.
You can go see a whole bunch of dad singing
songs at you. Sophie Maloney of sky TV is with

(01:06:18):
us next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I want to take a little chart to refresh your
mark because the boys are back in town with a
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Maz for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions. News Talk said be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Peter Lewis will be with us out of Asia very soon.
Barry Sooper will wrap the political week that was shortly
and of course Gavin Gray does the UK for US
at seven past six. Now it's been a rough full
year result for sky TV. Adjusted net profit for the
year just gone was forty one point one million dollars.
That's down sixteen and a half percent. On the positive side,
the rights to the rugby including basically all of the

(01:06:56):
all of the All Blacks games, have been renewed for
another five years. Sophie Maloney is the sky TV chief executive.
Hey Sophie, sure to hear that?

Speaker 27 (01:07:03):
Heying?

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
And well thank you? Now why is it that the
rugby deal was only signed at seven thirty this morning?

Speaker 27 (01:07:09):
These deals are pretty complex and continuous disclosure says, once
they're signed, you you go out. But yeah, it did
take a lot of approvals overnight to get it over
the line.

Speaker 28 (01:07:19):
But I'm thrilled we have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Well, okay, so because I just assumed it might have
been a timing thing as you just as you just
indicated that it would be better to have all of
this announced in one go. But were you guys actually
negotiating to the last minute?

Speaker 26 (01:07:31):
Ah?

Speaker 27 (01:07:31):
Yeah, there was always there's always a lot of details
set through when you're talking about a five year term
with lots of cool new rights coming to market. So yeah,
we're really excited about the partnership and to both negotiating
teams for continuing to do the money and get it
over the line.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
What was the sticking point was it the price.

Speaker 27 (01:07:51):
No, there are lots of there are a lot of
complexity to it to it either, but and I'm just
really thrilled that for our customers they know they can
where they can find all of the rugby that they love,
and obviously a new partnership with TV and Z which
I think is going to be great for provincial rugby.
So yeah, just really thrilled overall.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Is what the Herald is reporting at seventy five to
eighty million dollars about right.

Speaker 27 (01:08:15):
No, I'm not going to be commenting on the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Price either it was that it No, that's wrong, or
just no, I'm not commenting.

Speaker 27 (01:08:22):
No, I'm not commenting on any of the value. What
we've always said to investors is we you know, we've
got this forty seven to forty nine percent of revenue
that we have had as a target for the last
few years and we're delivering against that this financial So
that's the context I'm going to give you. I'm not
going to be drawn on price.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Now the TV and Z aspect, why didn't you guys
choose TV three for the NBC and stuff like that.

Speaker 27 (01:08:45):
Oh look, the first first comment is it is for
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Rugby.

Speaker 27 (01:08:48):
They're the rights holder to determine where they want to
place their rights, and I think this is a great place.
You know, it's a nice innovation with New Zealand Rugby
and there'll be a good partnership without Sky Sport in
the TVNZ Sport team as we lock to grow the
fandom of the of the NPC and FPC and Heartland
for the next five years.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Did you offer them the TV three part?

Speaker 27 (01:09:12):
No, that wasn't part of the conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Okay, So, so, so what about the delayed games, because
don't you have to play some of your tests delayed
on free to air?

Speaker 27 (01:09:22):
We've got the there are some delays that we play
through without all blacks. I haven't actually got those in
front of me in terms of what the timelines are,
but in terms of live to delay, that's something that
we've done with Super Rugby this year on Sky Open
and so I think that's what TVNZ is looking to
do on TV one because it does help drive additional

(01:09:43):
ad revenue to support the offer.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Oh okay, so that goes onto TV and Z as well,
does it not TV three?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
No?

Speaker 27 (01:09:50):
No, no, sorry, I was talking about what we do
in terms of our live to delay Super Rugby. No,
that's staying with Sky.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
That Sky open, does it?

Speaker 27 (01:09:59):
Yeah, that's saying with Sky And if we want to
do that on three going forward.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
That will be a choice that we can make brilliant. Okay, Now, realistically,
can you ever see the A and Z Premiership playing
on Sky ever? Again?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:10:11):
Of course it could.

Speaker 28 (01:10:12):
It could.

Speaker 27 (01:10:13):
It could well play on Sky again. I think it's
just it wasn't something that we could reach agreement on
for for the next season. And there's obviously a lot
of opportunity in front of New Zealand Netball to see
how they might be able to reshape their their schedule,
got players that want to go across and plan the
sun Corp and I think there is a vibrant way
for them to make that work for them and the

(01:10:34):
players and for the New Zealand public.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
What would it take to get them back on Sky
for you, for you guys to want to pay for it.

Speaker 27 (01:10:43):
It's all about all about the you know, the interest
in the viewership and also looking at the other sports
that we have at the time and the schedule, so
you know, the timeline when they actually play the A
and zp would go into that value to viewership equation
and so look, we remain open to that. I think
it's obviously a changing dynamic and changing time, but I

(01:11:04):
think the New Zealand Netball leadership team are very alive
to it and no doubt I'm looking to innovate. And
of course we've got the Silver Ferns coming later this year,
so we're excited to continue that and we have them
in the Commonwealth Games next year too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Yeah, how are you going to get some compo for
that satellite stuff up? Yes, we have.

Speaker 27 (01:11:23):
We have secured support from Optus and we actually communicated
that in the results. There's an eight point two million
which is coming through to support some of the costs
that we have incurred, which is in addition to other credits,
so this remains largely cash neutral by the end of
this financial year, when do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
You reckon so for the economy improves enough for people
to want to know to reverse the decline that you've
got on the subscribers here.

Speaker 27 (01:11:47):
Look, I think it's pretty tough out there and I
would hope that I would hope at the start of
next year, for the start of the new sports season,
maybe there'll be some pick up in the economy. But yeah,
certainly is pretty tough out there at the moment for Kiwis.
So we are working hard to try and nurture as
many customers as we can, but you know people are struggling, Heather.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I mean you don't sound like you're absolutely certain
that we're going to be feeling super cool next year
at the start. No, why not? Why are you not certain?

Speaker 27 (01:12:22):
Who can be certain about how people are going to
be feeling heither at that time? But you know we can.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
But isn't this I mean hopeful. The reason I'm asking you,
Sophie is because isn't this kind of a feature of
this recession that that every single time we think we're
about to get better and we see some green shoots,
and so when it turns into a full storm, well.

Speaker 27 (01:12:38):
That's that's why we have guided as we have. We
haven't put any kind of hits and hope revenue targets
based on economy rebounding. We are looking to work with
customers and nurture them through. But obviously it is about
delivering great content and I do think that's a really
important part of what we do is a little bit
of escape when it is tough out there, and of

(01:12:58):
course we have neon of those and an ad know
an ad funder tear to support those New Zealanders who
want a little bit of relief. It can't afford necessarily
a full subscription. And you know the title that is
getting a lot of go.

Speaker 10 (01:13:14):
On there moment.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
What is it? It's outrageous, Heather.

Speaker 27 (01:13:18):
I am going to be watching it this weekend. Apparently
it's a lot of fun. So that one it's about
the Midford sisters and I don't have the access names
in front of me. And the other one that is coming,
which you will absolutely love, is Forever Auckland f C
Fly on the Wall Jocko by Dame Julie Christie. You're

(01:13:41):
gonna love it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
I have heard, actually yes I've seen. I've seen the
shorts for the for Outrageous. All right, have you finished watching?
And just like that, then.

Speaker 27 (01:13:51):
I'm not really one of those I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Watch it, Okay, right, too cool? Cool for that, Sophie.
Thank you, thank you, Sophie, you appreciate it. Sophie Maloney'
Sky TV chief executive. Coming up quarter past six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
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Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
The feeling is that China is actually a beneficiary of
Trump meeting with Vladimir Putin. So Peter Lewis will run
us through that when he's with us shortly. It's coming
up eighteen past six. Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, rapping
the political week. That was Welcome back, Barry, Thank you, Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Nice to be here again.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Not the biggest political news, but the best political news
of the week. Mallard's been called home.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Well, yes, certainly Winston has got some cutos, but some
would say he's waited a long time.

Speaker 9 (01:14:41):
It's a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
It's a performance.

Speaker 9 (01:14:43):
Well, yes it is.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
It's theater as far as Winston goes. But look, you'd
have to say at the beginning, why on earth was
Trevor Mallard, the most undiplomatic person I think I've ever
met in politics appointed to a diplomatic role in Ireland. Well,
the reason is that he had family there, and he's
got grandchildren.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
And he was appointed by his mates.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
And Justin Deurn very close to Trevor Mallard. Look, I'll
look after you, we'll give you a knighthood and we'll
give you an ambassadorship in Ireland, and I tried to
find out exactly what he's done since he's been in Ireland.
Not a hell of a lot. As the answer, there's
been no major breakthrough for Irish New Zealand relationships. But
he should never have been there. I mean you remember

(01:15:27):
his behavior during the protests out the front of Parliament
exacerbated the problem out there, the sprinkler's Barry Manilow, and
then claiming there was a rapist earlier on working in
Parliament building, which was one of my stories. I fell
out big time with Trevor Millard over the story because
he didn't want me to do it, begged me not
to run the story. Well, he begged me not to

(01:15:47):
run it because he knew full well that what he
was saying was absolute balderdash. So now he's coming back.
Goodness only knows what he's going to do back in
this country, but no doubt he'll settle and fade into
the wilderness.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Winston's actually on a ripper, isn't he, because nobody has
he done this, but he's going up in the polls.
And then he's also offered to appear before the Royal
Commission of inquiry basically just shame Outsender and Grant and
everyone else.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it that Winston in the early months
of COVID. Let's face it, he was then in the
cabinet and had a roll then. But when the announcement
was made that this country would be going into a
series of lockdowns. It so on the twenty first March
twenty twenty that was election year. Don't forget, but I
do remember on that very day it was a Saturday

(01:16:35):
ringing Winston Peters.

Speaker 9 (01:16:37):
So what the hell do you think you're up to?
You know what's going on here?

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
And he was aghast, I've got to say then, and
no doubt he could give some sort of perspective in
the early days at least of the coalition government and
how decisions were made and why they were made, because
I would like to see at least some of them
are giving a performance and public so that we can

(01:17:01):
understand a bit more what was behind their reasoning.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Now have you managed to figure out why it is
that Helen is so sad that the politics I give up.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
I do not know who knows, and I can't really
see Helen Clark and being the best of Bosom buddies.
I know them both pretty well and just and did
work for Helen Clark in the early days in parliament.
That to me was one of the problems with that
Labor Coalition government or the Labor government itself, was that

(01:17:34):
all the people that were leading at Grant Robertson they
were employees of the state of the political process within parliament.
She worked for Helen Clark, I don't know. She said
she was a great.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Loss, devastating, devastating loss for women.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
But this goes back to that, doesn't it. Social media
and how women say that they're so badly hillaryad by
social media and that it's so hard to take and
we always hear it. But the old story is here though,
that anyone, including myself, that speaks publicly, you get dished

(01:18:13):
on social media all the time. And what you do
to get over that is not read it just don't
look at it.

Speaker 9 (01:18:21):
And that's what I say.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
And speaking of which, have you played the beat the
bush game?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
You haven't tried to beat up Chris Bishop with the
cricket bat.

Speaker 9 (01:18:27):
What would I want to beat up Christ Bishop? I
knew his father.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
I worked with his father who was politically editor for.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
You, and you gave him this big break in journal. Listen,
what do you make of Labor trying to chase the
Maori Party down this weird radical path. If they go
down with the gang patches, well it's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
A real problem for Labor, I think, I mean Chris
Hipkins should have come out immediately and put a dampner
on what Peni Henarda had been saying.

Speaker 9 (01:18:55):
But the thing is interestingly that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
Pennie Henada has doubled down on this. No, no, no,
the patches will be back if we become the government. Well,
of course, sir Chris Hipkins should be duty bound to
put the kiboych on it, because not a good look.
He's trying to win that mad radical MILDI vote in
Tammocky Macoulda. But you can win the vote, but you

(01:19:20):
can't win the battle when it comes to the treasury
benches if you go down a silly track like this one.
But I think Penny Henade has had leadership aspirations in
the past, and who knows, this might be the start
of his play.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Interesting take on it, Barry, Thanks very much. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, Rapping the political week. That was Debra
sent in a poem for Poetry Day. I'll read it
to you next six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
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on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mas for.

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Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Be here the full Poetry Day. There are holes in
this sky where the rain gets in. But the holes
are very small, and that's why the rain is so thin.
Beautiful Deborah, thank you. Twenty six past six Showbus News.

Speaker 10 (01:20:10):
I'm I'm plucky legend, Boo pray care the boys. I'm
not his chair. I want it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
You know this? This is bring it on?

Speaker 25 (01:20:19):
Isn't that?

Speaker 10 (01:20:19):
I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
That's your little day. So here's a quiz for you. Okay,
so you know that actress. She was Claudia in the
Interview with the Vampire and she played Torrents and Bring
it On. She was Mary Jane Watson in the Original
Spider Man movie. She was nominated for an Academy Award
for the Power of the Dog. Her surname is Dunst.
Her first name is what. No, You're wrong, he said

(01:20:42):
it wrong. I mean everyone messes up my name, so
I give up.

Speaker 10 (01:20:46):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
I'm like, I'll answer Kristin Kirsten Kirsten, which is how
you say my name. But I don't blame people. Kirsten Duncet.
We never knew it. She's not the only celeb who
has people pronounce their name wrong. Lindsay it's actually low End,
not low hand. And Timothy Challa May is actually Timultey
Chello May. Is this useful for us? Probably? What about Charlie?

(01:21:12):
Do you know how to say that ends?

Speaker 15 (01:21:14):
I thought it was Charlie's theron.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Yes, Charlie's tron. Charlie's tron Tron. That's so much cooler.
It is a It is just like because it's like Hamiltron,
like Future of the City, Charlie's Tron. I only know
that because she she comes from the same part of
the world where I was born, So it's a pronunciation thing. Anyway,
Peter Lewis is going to be out of Asia.

Speaker 10 (01:21:33):
Next.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
News is coming straight at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Us, everything from s M E's to the big corporates,
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sorry that your day.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
A lot of poems out Full World Poem Day, So
hold on, Poe three days, I'll get you some and
the tick again. Gavin Gray out of the UK. Very shortly,
I've got to talk to you about what's going down
with Donald Trump and Poutin, though I think it's quite interesting,
but really quickly. I was telling you yesterday that Twitter's
AI chatbot Grok had named the wrong Kiwi richlister as
the one that was being sent to jail for child porn.

(01:22:27):
It's just struck again with something completely nuts. Again. It's
told users how to assassinate Elon Musk. It is, according
to Forbes, provided meticulous and a meticulous and executable plan
to murder Elon Musk. They are not giving the details
because obviously it could well work. Also has included a
detailed hypothetical guide on constructing a Sea four like explosive

(01:22:51):
and instructions on how to concoct homemade drugs. So yeah,
it's winning. Twenty four away from seven. Peter Lewis our
Asia Business correspondence with me, Hello Pizza, Hello Heather. So
how is China a beneficiary of what's going on between
Trump and Putin?

Speaker 28 (01:23:06):
Well, first of all, the most obvious way is that
at the moment, Russia's avoided secondary sanctions on all of
its oil exports. You remember that before this summit with Putin,
Trump was vary extreme tariffs on Russia if it didn't
agree to a cease fire. When it didn't agree to

(01:23:27):
a cease fire. But yet once again Trump backs down
and moved away from that position, So that sort of
frees up China to carry on importing oil from Russia
and any other products that it's that it needs. In fact,
and the second thing it does is it gives China
time because this is going to go on for a while.

(01:23:50):
There's going to be negotiations, and it's clear from the
way things are going at the moment, this is not
going to be resolved very quickly. And what China wants
is it has no intention of going back to where
things were before Donald Trump got elected in any trade
deal that it negotiates with the US. On the contrary,

(01:24:10):
what it wants to do is to create a new
world trading order with itself at the center of it.
And in particular, it wants to make itself completely self sufficient.
It doesn't want to have to rely on the US
for anything. It doesn't want to have to rely on
the US for its technology and its semiconductors. It doesn't
want to have to rely on the US its commodities,

(01:24:33):
any of its farm products. It really wants to be
totally self sufficient. And this is probably the number one
sort of economic aim of President Cheating Ping at the
moment now has been working on that for a while.
China has been preparing for this eventuality of a second
Trump presidency and the possibility of a trade war for years,

(01:24:55):
and it is making steps to remove that dependency now
with export far more to countries in Southeast Asia, Latin America,
and the Middle East compared with the growth that it's
seeing in its US markets. So these markets are becoming
much more important to China and will continue to be
important going forward. They're going to take up much more

(01:25:18):
of China's trade and as a result, China is really
creating this trading system that just cuts out the US altogether,
and it will get on with it with these other countries.
But it needs time to do that, and this outcome
at the moment from the summit booting gives China more
time to move forward with that plan.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
And how things going with India not well.

Speaker 28 (01:25:43):
This extraordinary dust up between Trump and undram Modi, which
is seems to continue to be continuing. There's no sign
at all that they're going to back down. We had
Scott Vessons and Peter Navarro basically saying that India was
benefiting and its big families were benefiting from buying Russian

(01:26:06):
oil and that it was damaging cooperation between the two
countries and furthering. Russia has got no intention of backing down.
He's reaching out towards both in both China and Russia
to try and develop more friendly relationships. Unromodi will be

(01:26:26):
in Beijing at the end of next week. That's his
first visit to Beijing in about seven years. His invited
Vladimir Putin also to come and visit him in New Delhi.
And so what this is doing is it's sort of
driving India closer to China in particular. However, I think
there's a limit as to how far that's going to go,

(01:26:47):
because I don't think that India and China are really
going to be close friends. They have decades of animosity
between them. They've been close to having almost outright war
in Himalayas over their disputed borders several times. India doesn't
trust China and China doesn't trust India either. And also

(01:27:09):
there's the added problem that Pakistan is a close ally
of India. India's providing money and aid and economic developments
of the Belt and Bode initiative to help Pakistan's economy.
It provides it with arms and weapons. And China has
made it clear that it wants to have relationships with

(01:27:30):
both Pakistan and India. But I don't think India is
really going to be too enamored with that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
Yeah, I can see there's a lot of problems. There
are a lot of wrinkles to dine out have Peter,
thank you as always. We'll talk to you next week.
Look after yourself. Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent, nineteen away
from seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Heither do for sel lot of pom for you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
The Kiwi is a strange bird. It cannot fly at all.
It has a very long beak, but its eyes are
very small. Unlike most other birds. It does not like
the sun, sleeps all day, comes out at night, and
misses all the fun. Jackson, thank you. Some entirely possible.
Jackson actually wrote that himself now Donald Trump. Okay, so
and so and I have been to ands and I

(01:28:07):
are kind of quite into, like everybody should be into,
what is going on here with this Putin Trump situation
Ukraine and stuff. And we're over analyzing it. But we've
both come to the conclusion that Putin has stuffed this
up and he is playing this very badly. What's happened
is just in the last few hours, like just earlier
this afternoon, Russia launched a missile strike on Ukraine. Has

(01:28:30):
a US owned company. That's a big mistake, right you
don't want to be hitting US owned companies when you're
just in the middle of this quite delicate situation right
now where you're trying to not piss Donald Trump off
and trying to figure out how you get yourself out
of the situation that you're in right now. But also
Donald Trump overnight went on truth social and slammed the
fact that Ukraine wasn't allowed up to now to fight

(01:28:51):
Russia to the fullest extent possible. So what he said
is it is very hard, if not impossible, to win
a war without attacking an invaders country. It's like a
great team in sports that has a fantastic defense, but
is not allowed to play offense. There is no chance
of winningland. It is like that with Ukraine and Russia,
which is obviously the truth, right. Anybody who's been watching
this war has thought, well, how on earth is Ukraine

(01:29:13):
ever going to win if they have a restrictions placed
on them by countries like the US making it impossible
for them to actually strike Russia in the way that
they need to in order to win the war. Anyway,
the fact that Trump has now come around to this,
I think is reasonably interesting. But also what's much more
symbolic is the fact that he's put a picture on
this Trump post. Trump's a truth social post of himself

(01:29:34):
talking to Potin, but he has got his finger jabbed
in the middle of Putin's chest, So that's not looking
like they're terribly friendly anyway. All of these things, all
of these things suggest to me Potin is the one
who's especially because of the effort that was put in
by Europe in that meeting to kind of turn Putin
into the problem. It is entirely possible that Putin is

(01:29:55):
at the moment the problem according to Donald Trump. And
my feeling on this is that Poutin is actually the
one who's he's walking a very fine line here, and
he's been backed into a corner because he's taken Trumpet
out there on the world stage. There's been the Alaska meeting,
then there's been the White House meeting. If Putin now
digs Trump around too much, it will humiliate Trump because

(01:30:17):
Trump's been the guy's like, I'm going to get a deal.
I'm going to get a deal. I'm going to get
a deal. If he now doesn't get a deal because
Putin doesn't give him a deal, who do you think
he's going to be angry with? Who do you think
he's going to come after Putin? The old jab jabby
finger in the chest might just be the start of it.
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Be Do you remember the guy that I was telling
I think it was a few weeks ago. I was
telling you about this chap who had faked faked a
CV said he got a you know, a doctorate of
law something from Yale. And there is an update on
this chap just wait for it. Fourteen away from seven
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. It's with us now, Hello, Gavin,
good evening. Okay, what do we know about the bodies
in the river?

Speaker 26 (01:31:03):
Yeah, fascinating. So right in the heart of Paris, the
River Saine of course flowing through there. Well, police have
discovered four bodies in the river Seine. The first victim
was spotted by a passer by near a bridge in
a southeastern suburb of the capitol just over a week ago,
and then we've now discovered that. Actually, then police set

(01:31:24):
up a search and discovered three more bodies immersed in
the nearby area. So police are questioning a man on
suspicion of murder. Prosecutor say one of the victims was
strangled and another showed violent injuries, and the suspect is
being held in a central Paris police station. We have
no details about him yet or how many murders he's

(01:31:45):
being questioned over, but it's thought that first body that
has been discovered had only been in the water a
short time, identified as a local forty year old, but
the three others had been in there quite a while
and were in an advanced state of decomposition. Sorry to
put you off your tea time dinner, but yeah, not
very pleasant at all. And as you can imagine, huge

(01:32:06):
investigations UNDERWAE.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
So are we talking about serial killer stuff here?

Speaker 26 (01:32:11):
Well, that's I mean, obviously that's what police and local
residents really fear. But we don't know how they've think
they're connected to the man that they've questioned. But yeah,
no doubt someone going work there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
So it turns out it might have been a Ukrainian
guy who blew up the guest pipelines.

Speaker 26 (01:32:27):
Yes, this is very interesting because of course you'll remember
that when the pipelines gnawed Streamers they're called, which run
under the Baltic Sea connecting Russia to Europe. When they
suddenly got blown up, everybody immediately pointed the finger at Russia. However,
it's now been suggested that a Ukrainian man has been

(01:32:50):
arrested in Italy in the province of Rhymony. He's not
been identified fully, just as Serqui k in Germany. The
names are kept anonymous for a while, and it was
said to be part of a plot who planted explosives
under those two pipelines nord Stream one nor Stream two
and the blast severed a key source of natural gas

(01:33:11):
for Europe, just when the leaders of Europe were facing
an energy crisis, triggered of course by Russia's war with Ukraine.
Now no one admitted carrying out the attack. Ukraine has
denied any state involvement and it would seem potentially odd
for them to have done anything at a state level
with this, So all sorts of questions about was this

(01:33:32):
somebody acting alone or not? But either way, the several
explosions were recorded back in September twenty two, ruptured three
of the four pipelines, and it looks like the allegation
is that this man might have hired a boat, sailed
it out there and with some divers done this work.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Yeah, interesting stuff. Now listen, do you think it's going
to work? If they abolished the sales text on the
books and denmarkt people are going to start reading again.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Well, do you know?

Speaker 26 (01:33:57):
I always thought, you know, Denmark, when you go very clear, spotless,
very good sort of state system, everything seems to work properly.
I was then staggered to read that. According to an
intergovernmental think tank, one in four Danish fifteen year olds
cannot understand a simple text in other words, they can't
really read, and they've now decided to scrap a sales

(01:34:21):
a sales tax on books which currently stands at twenty
five percent. In other words, books are more expensive in
Denmark than in many many other countries. The measure is
expected to cost the Danish economy only set of one
hundred million New Zealand dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
He says, only but in.

Speaker 26 (01:34:40):
Other words, not huge when it comes to big government spending.
And they say they really hope this will encourage more
people to read. In Finland, Sweden and Norway they also
have a sort of tax on books like twenty five percent,
but they have a sort of lower levee on the
more serious end of books, so that comes down to
fourteen six zero percent. So that's now what Denmark is getting.

(01:35:03):
The mirror surveys show that the declining levels of reading
and comprehension among Danish teenagers is ongoing and getting worse,
and these numbers said to be pretty shocking that experts
fair will take a long time to reverse.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Gavin, thank you, I really appreciate it and enjoy a weekend.
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. I felt slightly stumped just then
because I just copped a text from Greg Ant's listen
to this, Heather, Sometimes your synopsis is so good it
borders on brilliance. And I thought, I thought, oh, you're
being sarcastic, aren't you, Greg? Well done you. But then
I saw the next text, keep up the good work,

(01:35:38):
always appreciated, thumbs up. That's at least part partly to you,
because you helped me come up with the putin theory
that we've come up with.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:35:46):
I like how he said, sometimes you know, it doesn't
want us getting too big rich, is there?

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Sometimes your synopsis is so good, sometimes it's so shit,
And that look, that's fair even I know that. All Right,
nine away from.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Seven, it's the Heather tops Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zeb.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Right, this chap, I need to tell you about this chap.
You remember the chap I was telling you about who
was appointed to a visiting justice role by I feel
like it might have been Nicole McKee who did it. Anyway,
the role that he's got now allows him to visit
and inspect prisons and investigate prisoner treatment and stuff like
that is a reasonably high power, like reasonably high powered role.
But the problem was he had faked a CV and

(01:36:27):
he'd made all these claims and none of them were true,
including that he had a law degree from Yale, when
actually all he had done was a week long online
course during COVID that was provided by Yale. Anyway, here's
the update for you. He also went to COP twenty
eight and pretended that he worked for the New Zealand
Ministry of Foreign Foreign Affairs in Trade, which he didn't,
and then he sat in an area that he was

(01:36:48):
not supposed to be sitting in, and then he gave
an interview and was credited as being a staffer at
the New Zealand Foreign Affairs and Trade Ministry. And as
a result, they saw what was happening because they know
he doesn't work for them, so what was happening, revoked
his approval for him to have been there, and he
wasn't allowed to be there anymore. Anyway. This is the
same guy who said he was going to resign from

(01:37:10):
his Visiting Justice position and he still hasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
The reason I'm telling you this is because I am
fascinated by people like this, Like I just am fascinated
by people who have the hotspa to go out there
and just completely tell fibbs and get away with it
and and construct a whole life, a whole life on
lies and stuff. Well, am I accusing him of lying?
I don't know. Try suing me. Let's see what happens.

(01:37:35):
Here's a I've got a poem and somebody who wrote
me a poem.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
It's from Louise Heather. What a joy it is. Do
you hear you each day giving us the news in
your own special way. I love how you ask all
the tough questions to hold them to accounters. Of course,
your intention, your fun side, is your quirky sense of humor.
So keep up the great work for now in the
future a whole poetry day has just Louise is a star.

Speaker 15 (01:38:02):
I don't know about the rhyme of future and humor,
but other than that, it was pretty top notch.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
Better than what you did.

Speaker 15 (01:38:06):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 28 (01:38:06):
That's a very good point.

Speaker 15 (01:38:08):
When the lights go out by five to play us
out tonight because this is the big music news of
the day. Five will be playing at the Trust Arena
in Auckland on May twenty fifth, twenty twenty six. Go
get your tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Are you going to because it's actually gonna be a
good time? You know it as a I believe it
or not.

Speaker 15 (01:38:22):
The album that this is off, their self titled debut,
was the first CD I ever owned.

Speaker 20 (01:38:27):
In my life.

Speaker 15 (01:38:27):
But yeah, I don't know what ends.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
I think it was the food CD I ever owned
my whole life. Oh, honestly, do you remember back in
the day you used to be able to do this
thing where you could subscribe to this club and you
needed to pay them every week, and then you get
cdcent to you and you could pick the ones. Right,
So this is the one I picked, and then I
had it for like a week or something, and then
I sent it all back and canceled.

Speaker 11 (01:38:49):
No.

Speaker 15 (01:38:49):
I listened to the CD quite a lot when I
was young, But no, I probably won't get to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
This was a good time. Oh do you want to
go with me in life?

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
Laura wants to come. Yep, we'll go. Actually yeah, well yeah, no, yeah,
let's do it. Let's do it. Why not, let's do it?
All right, you enjoy your weekend, We'll see you on Monday.
And you still said.

Speaker 10 (01:39:04):
Bell show you what to me?

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
Soby got to me.

Speaker 10 (01:39:45):
Work You Love Show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
For more from Hither Dupe Less Alan Drive, listen live
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