Full Show Podcast: 22 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story gooring.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming
up today. The boss of Sky TV on buying TV three,
Winston Peters on telling Israel and com As to stop
fighting Deex Yes, Murray Deeker has a problem with a tree.
And the boss of Why Cuts or UNI has asked
to come on the show and tell me what's what.
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, the big news of the day

(00:33):
is another one dollar deal in the media, which you
know probably tells you everything you need to know about
the state of the industry. But this is on balance.
I would have thought good news for everyone. It's good
for you, for viewers, good for Sky, good for three.
And I'm going to work backwards on that. And let's
start with TV three. It's good news for three and
for the people who work there, because three continues to exist.

(00:53):
A very real alternative must have been for Warner Brothers
Discovery the owners to shut three down complete. Now they've
sold it for a dollar to Sky, it continues. It's
good news for Sky because it gives sky TV a
chance to make money again off stuff that they already own. So,
for example, let's just say white Lotus and I'm just
picking this randomly, but let's just say white Loadus. Sky

(01:16):
TV buys the rights to white Loadus, the broadcast rights
within the country.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
They earn the money off White Lotus by sticking it
on sky TV, sticking it on Neon, and we pay
a subscription to watch it. Now, they can wait a
few months, maybe till all of us who've paid for
it have watched it, and then they can dump white
Loatus for free on TV three and three now, which
is TV three's app, and then they can make money
off white Loadus all over again through advertising around the

(01:40):
free content.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
They can already do this with their sky Open channel,
which is a free to air channel they already have.
But who even knows where on the TV sky openers.
I have no bloody idea what number it is, never
even watched it before in my life, and does it
have an app? Wouldn't know. I know everything you need
to know about TV three. I've got the TV three app.
I know where to find it. It's number three on

(02:02):
the TV. There is a very strong brand attached to three.
More importantly, I would have thought for TV. For SkyTV,
this strengthens its arm for sports right SkyTV has now
got to be the only real choice in town for
sports content. Beforehand, at least domestically, TV and Z was
a real competitor, at least for the free to air portion,

(02:23):
given so many people watch TV and Z both it's
on air channels and its app. But now Sky TV's
got three same same. It doesn't need anything to It
doesn't need to have anything to do with TV and Z. Finally,
it's good for you and me this deal that was
struck today because who doesn't want excellent free content landing
on an app that you already have or a TV

(02:44):
channel that you already watched. So good day all round,
I would say hever dow nine tho is the text number.
Standard text fees apply. Now, are you being as careful
as you can when you're at the gym and you're
doing you're doing your workout. Acc data is showing that
shoulder and lower back in reason the gym have increased
thirty five percent in the last decade.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Industry experts have put this down to an increase in
strength training as the new exercise craze. Alex Flint is
the founder of body Talk Personal Training and the official
trainer for TV three's match Fit is with Us. Now, Hey, Alex,
Hi Heather, how are you. I'm very well, thank you.
Are you seeing more injuries at the gym.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Particularly in my gym, I'm proud to say not so many,
But across the industry, I think there is definitely, unfortunately
a bit of a rise and it is matching with
the fact that there is more people participating in strength training,
which is actually a fantastic thing. We've just got to
look at how we're going about that strength training.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And now what's up with this craze, the strength training craze.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Well, one of the biggest rises that we've seen is
actually there's an increase, particularly in the participation levels of
women in strength training, which is fantastic because especially through
the likes of times in our periods in our life
like menopause, where we suffer from bone density issues, lack
of muscle mass, strength training is something which is now
becoming very popularized with women and that that is a

(04:06):
great thring thing. However, what we have to watch, of course,
is sometimes with that increase in an uptake in a
new type of exercise comes probably over enthusiasm and that
can sometimes spill over into a little bit too much
too soon.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, you're getting in there, you're doing you're clean and pressing.
You've no idea what you're doing right, and so you
hurt yourself because your form is off.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, and it's one of those you know, we just
have to remember that it's strength training isn't something that
can be rushed, so we have to take our time
and let our bodies accommodate. And sometimes, you know, we
see what's on YouTube or we see that the latest
TikTok and you know, the bright shiny lights of the
fun stuff, and that's what we want to get into.
But we've just got to take our time to get
there to stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Do you think part of the problem is that you
have some gyms off of classes where you could pack
and goodness, you can get a whole bunch of people,
like you could get one hundred people plus into one
of those classes doing clean and presses, and the instructor
at the front has no idea whether all mate in
the left hand corner actually knows what they're doing. And
that is a that seems to me to be a
recipe for hurting yourself, whereas if you're one on one

(05:06):
with a trainer, at least they can say you need
to poke your butt out more or tighten up here
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's definitely a potential harm and something
which you know the risk is probably is heightened. I
would say that, you know, overall, the exercise, the standard
of exercising mu zeal in the industry is getting better,
training and so forth is getting better. But it's definitely
the case of if you're a beginner, or you know,
you're not so sure about your technique or where you're at,

(05:32):
you're better off in a smaller class or even better
still with a one on one train to get your
feet to find your feet first.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Has this replaced cardio?

Speaker 5 (05:43):
I don't think we could say that it's replaced cardio.
Like Actually, interestingly, at the moment, there's there's a big
rise in running again, which you know, we said the
last time that happened was in the nineteen seventies, but
so cardio is still definitely up there. I think what
has happened is actually a number of influencers, the sort
of a purpose and the reasons why we want to

(06:05):
strength trainer becoming far more evident. And when we look
at you know, stats on link longevity, disease protection, disease protection,
even things like dementia, we know that strength training really
stands in our corner to help us get through those
types of things. So there's been a rise in I think,
in understanding of why we should be doing it.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, all right, Alex, I really appreciate it. It's good
to talk to you. Alex Flint, who's the founder of
body Talk personal training and official trainer for Match for
It on TV three. Hither this is good news for
Heather as well, because she is a Sky shareholder. Yes,
she is a Sky shareholder. And my shares have gone
up five point four eight percent today, not counting, No
one's counting. But let me tell you before you think, oh, yeah,

(06:44):
you're in them, that's right. Before you think old drinks
are on me, No they're not. I think I'm still
about fifty percent behind. I think I'm not a great investor.
You should never if I give you investment advice, you
should immediately do the opposite, because I think when I bought,
I might have bought on the whole and now we're
on the low, if you know what I mean. So
I'm still in negative territory with my sky TV shares,

(07:06):
but hey, you never know, I might with this kind
of thing going on, I might be catching up now here.
The more people's strength training show, but more gyms operating
all hours and unsupervised. That's a fair point. Actually, if
you're operating all hours and people are turning up at
midnight and stuff, and no one's there to correct their
form and whatnot, that'll be a ripe. There'll be ripe
for a disaster. Now, the media has finally finally tracked

(07:29):
down the wife of the Cold Play Kiss cap KISSCM couple.
No surprise to you at all. It was the Daily
Mail who managed to track her down. She is at
the family's luxury estate in Maine, one hundred and sixty
ki kilometers away from the couple's primary house in Massachusetts
and surrounded by her family, none of which I actually
cared about. And I think that if we're getting to

(07:51):
the point where we are now tracking down the wife
of the bloke who was on the camera, as in
the actual victim in this story, if we're tracking her down,
do you not think that we're probably going too far.
And I say that because I clicked on that story,
didn't I? So I'm making it worse, aren't I? Anyway,
I would just say, if you, if don't fall into
the trap that I did, if you don't want, if

(08:12):
you don't want this to happen, don't click on that story.
Quarter past four.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full show.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news talk zeb.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Here the CrossFit and it's poor technique and lieu of
hitting numbers, no doubt hugely responsible for the increase in injuries.
Thanks for that. Eighteen past four with me Now is
Darcy water Grave, sports talk host Darcy Welcome back, Thank
you very much. How was Europe?

Speaker 7 (08:37):
Well, England and Paris. I wouldn't say well London and Paris.
More's the point, we just think to those two major
metropoliss I haven't been to London twenty twenty years.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Probably, Yeah, do you have a good time.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
As I love the hate climb straight off straight into
my fight, tongue and single it and sandals and a
cat ay here we go. Yeah, I loved it, loved
it so much. But the size of that place in
the the expanse of the city and the new business
area that's not new now but wow, and the Elizabeth
Lyon is wonderful. It's a couple of years old. So

(09:10):
I love that in Paris again, beautiful place. The people
are stunning, but the massive human they are.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Literally the first person I've ever heard say the people
of Paris are stunning.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
I sat there right and I was going not be
because I'm like people watching. So we sat there for
a couple of hours. The clothes and the style and
the way people present and the different and it's something
different to Auckland, New Zealand, all the different nationality it's
all over the show. So I sat there quite happy,
people gazing. Four that mighty Kneecap drove all the way

(09:43):
down to Plymouth for five hours to watch these weeks
Kneecap h double O.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
D you actually know who they are? Or were you
just watching them because they share your frustration about Palestine?

Speaker 8 (09:57):
No?

Speaker 7 (09:57):
No, Katie, my partner, my confident on what do you
call collaborator? She showed me the movie about six months ago,
and the movie's stunning. They're actually acting in it, those guys,
and I'm like, this is awesome. The music's great. These
guys are I love the story, got the record, listen
to the record.

Speaker 9 (10:14):
I really like this.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
And then as it developed on, it'say, oh wow, your
troublemakers too. This is even funny.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
You know.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
It was music first, cinema and the music first, and
then it went.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
On quickly talk about sport. What do you think that's
Sky TV? I'm here for Skytyv's purchase of three must
make TV and it cuts TV and z's lunch right
TV TV hope they don't. They don't matter anymore.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
What does this do for the strength of sky and
their negotiations with Netbull New Zealand and Rugby News.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's what I mean, just got less than the dust.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
They had done it. So when Sky Sports sit down
with those two big majors and Netburn New Zealand and
Ragby New Zeland and go okay. So we have now
got a direct fleet, free to wear platform that we
control right over the top. We're the umbrella. So we
can give you eyeballs for nothing. We can make people pay,
we can cross promote between our pay for view and

(11:07):
our regular free to air. People also know TV three
this is not Duke or Sky Sports one who knows
this is TV three. People feel that they know that
and it doesn't mean much as far as changing the channel,
but people have that comfort and we know that Sky
have gone through all sorts of dramas with losing subscribers

(11:29):
gaining subscribers. Spark have turned up gave them a huge competition,
then inadvertently opened up the concept of free to air,
which has been a boon for some sport, but they've
ridden the wave right the way through. So this is
a considered move. What happens with Neck for New Zealand
and Rape New Zealand next based on this acquisition of

(11:50):
Fascinated and what it does for both of those.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Listen, it's so nice to have you back.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Oh thanks, great to see you again.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, jeez, you're and I'm also I'm struck by your
levels despite the fact that you only landed in the
country about what forty.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Oh Sunday morning, and I came straight home of the
TV and watched endless Sport till about nine we to bed.
God up, cared. I don't believe in jet La, Okay,
I just don't listen to it. I'm in control of
my body. The other way around.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I don't believe in it. It doesn't exist. All right, listen,
thank you, Darcy, Darcy Wood to grab sports talk host.
I'm going to talk about Winston Peters next four twenty.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
Two, getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's

Speaker 2 (12:35):
That'd be Hey, do you know who we're talking today?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Talk?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Try that again? Do you know who we're talking to today? Deeks?
Murray Deeker now deex is in California. But that has
not stopped Deeks. He's playing golf. It has not stopped
him from being a little bit frustrated by a tree
that's landed on what is essentially his property. He lives
in an apartment complex on the north shore of Auckland.
This tree fell over three years ago and they're not

(12:58):
allowed to move the tree because it's Bahuda Kawa. And
I don't know if you know this, but Perherda Kawa specially,
you don't get a lot of them, so when they
fall over, you need to protect them. I'm being sarcastic obviously,
as they die and a dozen but anyway, regardless, they
cannot move this tree from their complex. It is frustrating
to Deeks. He's going to talk to us about it
quarter past five and will get the latest on that

(13:20):
right now. It's full twenty five now. Probably the political
story of the day is the fact that we have
joined twenty seven other countries in signing a joint statement
to condemn Israel's killing of civilians and Gaza. Now Winston
Peters has signed it on our behalf as the Foreign Minister.
Then got up to make a statement in the House
this afternoon to state the government's position very clearly.

Speaker 11 (13:39):
We strongly oppose any step towards territorial or demographic change
in the occupied penicin In territories. Such steffs seek to
undermine the two states solution and they must stop. The
only way forward is an immediate, unconditional and permanent cease fire.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
In his speech, he doubled down on the need for
Hamas to release the remaining Israeli hostages. He also spoke
out against Israel's restriction of aid to the region and
the killing of civilians who have been accessing aid.

Speaker 11 (14:05):
Israel's military response to the events of October seven, twenty
twenty three, long ago, ceased to be proportionate, reasonable or moral.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, I think we could all agree with that. Now
he is going to be with us and explain the
situation after five o'clock. Well, I guess what we all
want to know is it's one thing to sign a
joint statement. What's actually going to happen though, because it's
not the first time that we have spoken out in
cahoots with other countries against what's going on in Gaza.
So as I say, he's with us after five, do
you know what is fascinating? Can I just make this
point to you been looking at what's going on obviously

(14:34):
in international news today, this is a reasonably big, big
news story. In New Zealand, we've signed this thing. It's
got a bit of a mention, you know, like there's
been a bit of coverage in the New Zealand media.
But go over to Australia have a look at how
they're covering it, and it is significant the time that
they're spending talking about exactly the same story. And for

(14:55):
some reason they just take this a lot more seriously
than we do. And I can't quite explain that. But
Sam Memory out of Australia is our correspondent who is
going to be with us and talk us through this
in ten minutes time. We also, oh yeah, I was.
I was hoping that we could probably leave the comment
the Whykuttle University Medical School story today. But it's not

(15:19):
my fault. It is someone else's fault that we are
going to be talking about this again and I will
explain who's faulted as shortly. News is next though something wrong?
Will you give me a home?

Speaker 8 (15:38):
We care if they said it when over facing look
the past? Where the pastors with.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
This putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Bry barisocas with us in ten minutes. We's now of
the politics. Sam Amory is standing by out of Australia.
Do you remember when Chris Bishop and Chris Penk announced
the granny flats thing. We all thought, here we go, Yeah,
stick a little house on the back in the backyard
for mum. After the kids you can go out, we
can party again and they say yeah, there'll be heap.

(16:26):
So these hours is going up everywhere. Thirteen thousand of
them will pop up. Well, it turns out that maybe
that was a little bit optimistic because when we all
heard that, I think what we heard was you don't
have to get anybody's permission, there's no consenting blah blah blah.
You can just stick the house up for your mum.
But actually, if you want to stick up a granny flat,
even a sixty square meter granny flat, you may in

(16:47):
fact need to get what's called a PIM. And so
that basically means going to the council and still getting
the council's permission, because they've got to be satisfied that
you have enough permeability on your land, for example, or
you've got drainage sort of wage sorted and blah blah
blah and all that stuff, and you're going to need
an architect. And so all of a sudden, this does
become a little bit more complicated than possibly you would
have thought. Anyway, we'll talk to David Whitburn, who is

(17:09):
a developer with the Whitburn Group Project Development. He'll be
able to explain to us if it ain't thirteen thousand,
how many is it, And if it isn't totally you know,
paper free how much paperwork do you actually need? He's
with us after half us five twenty three away from five.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
So as I was telling you, twenty eight foreign ministers,
including our own Winston Peters, have demanded a ceasefire in Gaza.
The joint statement has come as the IDF poscious further
into Gaza City. This woman has been displaced from her home.

Speaker 12 (17:38):
The tanks and in front of us, and there were
soul manised neighbors are shotting everywhere. And the shots entered
the home while in a front of me, while I
was standing an in front of their home.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Donald Trump has ordered the release of two hundred and
thirty thousand pages of files on the assassination of Martin
Luther King Junior. The Atlanta Journal Constitutions Washington Bureau chief says,
it's another obvious attempt to get us all to stop
talking about Epstein.

Speaker 13 (18:05):
He went from the Washington commanders to the MLK files.
He's bringing up a lot of seemingly random things, and
it does again come across as he's trying to distract and.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Finally hunt Biden. You've missed him. He's back in the news.
He's done a three hour interview with a YouTuber called
Andrew Callahan, and in the interview, Hunter criticizes George Clooney
for telling his dad Joe to stand down from the
presidential campaign in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
And God bless him.

Speaker 14 (18:33):
You know what, he supposedly treats his friends really well,
you know what I mean, buys them things, and he's
got a really great place in Lake Como, and he's
great friends with Barack Obama. You what do you have
to do with anything?

Speaker 6 (18:44):
Why do I have to listen to you?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
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Speaker 2 (18:53):
Hunter making his parents proud forever twenty two away from
five Sam Emery, Australia corresponding with us. Now, hey Sam, Heather,
how are you going very well? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Now?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Your childcare situation just gets worse and worse, doesn't it.

Speaker 15 (19:06):
It's not looking good. This is a horrible story that's
just come out of Queensland Center, facing national outrage after
it's emerged that a convicted child sex offender was hired
as a groundskeeper and given full access to the children
for more than a week. The man who had prior
convictions for indecent treatment of children somehow past the blue
card screening not once, but twice. The center's director failed

(19:30):
to verify his credentials and has since been sacked. There's
reports that it was his partner who even hired him,
so clearly parents are furious, The center's owners are calling
it unforgivable, and the state and federal governments who are
the federal governments just back this week for the first
time since the election. They're scrambling to work out whether
it is a gap in the childcare vetting system or

(19:50):
people just simply not doing their job. But the Parliament
returns expect to this will dominate question time, with both
sides backing stronger legislation because you know, it's pretty scary
when a convicted pedophile can flip through the cracks like
that and end up on school grounds. You know. I've
heard some people say that the vetting system works, it's
just a simple case of people not doing their jobs.

(20:13):
So hopefully it's just not lost in question time and
money spent on more inquiries and questions when I think
it's clearly just you know, maybe a bit more stringent,
you know, oversight with the staff and people who run
the centers.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, Sam, what is the coalition's position on the signator
this joint statement on Gaza.

Speaker 15 (20:35):
Well, it's clearly a shift for Australia to even come
out and be negative towards Israel. Obviously, Australia's joined twenty
eight countries condemning the drone strike that killed in Australian
the AID worker over there. So the Coalition has not
stayed silent. It's first Parliament sitting for the new leader,

(20:56):
new Opposition Leader Susan Lee and the Foreign Affairs spokesperson
Mac Cash, who have slammed this statement as one sided,
pointing out that the letter neglects the October seven terror
attack as they call it by Hamas. They argue Australia
should reaffirm its support for Israel and their right to
self defense while still pushing for a access to Gaza.

(21:17):
Even Simon Birmingham, Shadow Minister, has come out echoing that
Australia must hold both sides to account, calling out Hamas
for breaking cease fires while also condemning civilian suffering in Gaza.
How you can balance that? I have no idea how
I feel for the government at the moment in this situation.
But there's clear support on the ground with people and

(21:38):
that's why I think they put a government like labor
in that there is support now, you know, for Hamas
and for the Palestinians bought people in Gaza. And it's
unusual in our media here to be sort of hearing
this condemnic of a very close ally. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Now, what is interesting, and I commented on this just
a little bit earlier, is that it's you guys are
going a lot harder in your media over this particular
joint statement than we are in New Zealand. I can't
quite understand why what's going on. Is it a slow
news day for you guys, or do people in Australia
actually genuinely want to discuss this.

Speaker 15 (22:16):
It's I wouldn't say it's a slow newsday, you know,
with government sitting for the first day, it is. It
is a strangely hot topic here in Australia. Even whether
you're sitting in Parliament or whether you're sitting at a
dinner table, you basically can't really have a conversation without
it getting into this very heated, one sided conversation between

(22:36):
whoever's involved and it seems that you know, we've got
we've always had a very close alliance with Israel, and
you know, as a former journalists, I know that every
time I brought it up on air, there was always
letters following it no matter what you said, you know,
from different organizations and questioning why you were talking about
it in the media. So it's a very tricky and

(23:00):
oddly hot topic for Australia, but it is honestly will
dominate politics, I think, along with the childcare this week,
and I really don't know where they're going to land.
Really the public wants support for, you know, the people
who were the civilians who are getting killed and losing

(23:21):
their homes. But yeah, it's a difficult international diplomatic situation
for a new government to be handling.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, sad listen, was it lithium batteries that caused the
fire on the flight?

Speaker 15 (23:33):
Yep, it's another thing that's been discussed here in Australia,
these lithian batteries that are in U E bikes and
all these sorts of things and the terrifying scenes aboard.
It sounds like it was all handled very well. Virgin
of come out saying that the plane landed no problems.
It was a Boeing seven three seven. An engine on

(23:53):
the left hand side caught fire just after it took off,
and you know reports and the video if you're looking
at the footage online, you know the flames licking the
sky and all those things on the wing of the plane.
Everyone's worst nightmare when you first get on a plane.
You think, oh gosh. People were texting their loved ones.
You know, they really didn't think know where it was

(24:14):
going to go and how it was going to end
up for everyone. But thankfully it's all good news. Everyone
is faith But when you're twenty thousand feet in the
air and the wing looks like it's on fire, it's
certainly something that you don't want to try and ever
have to face.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
All arming, Sam, thanks very much, look after yourself. Sam Memory,
Australia correspondent. Listen, something is going on on the Auckland
Motorway that has people. I'm kind of I was vaguely
aware of it. I was aware that the police had
closed down some lanes because there's a thing going on
on the side of the motorway on a footpath or
something like that. But mattis I have had a number
of texts about this. Now Matt has sent me this hither.

(24:49):
I've been on the road for three hours forty five minutes.
I've traveled three k's trying to get home from the
city to pick up children from school that I've had
them now taken home by teachers. A reaction by the
police to close every single lane of the motorway is
an unmitigated disaster. Also, Martin's emailed me saying feel free
to pursue vigorously the question line to the cops regarding
the colossal closure of the Southern Motorway this afternoon seems

(25:13):
like it's an abundance of caution from the motorists. I
was stuck in traffic an hour before I realized the
Southern Motorway I was heading for wasn't even open. And
I imagine the repercussions are probably still resonating. Okay, see,
let me know what's going on, if you can see,
if I'll tell you what what I really want. I
really want to hear from somebody who's near what's going on.
Let me know what you can see over there, because

(25:34):
it doesn't sound it's like not an active thing. It
looks like it's a having a look around thing and Laura, Laura,
do you want to call the cops or she says
it's been open since three o'clock. Anyway, just call the cops.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Just do it.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Do your job. She's gonna call the cops. She's smiling
and happy, so happy to have more work to do.
Call to two Politics next for politics.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
With centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Certainty, whether it's takes me to two hours to get
from Marua Road to Carbine Road, which is all of
three k's wagging the phone. Call for your twelve away
from five and Barry Sober, Senior political correspondence with me
right now. Hay Barry, good afternoon, Heather. Okay, what's going
to happen as a result of this joint statement?

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Ah well, nothing.

Speaker 16 (26:15):
Really, let's face it. I mean, I had to lock
up through the UN, that greater morphous body that I've
discussed on this program before. The UN General Assembly, they
passed seventeen resolutions condemning Israel last year. The whole of
the rest of the world combined, there were six resolutions

(26:35):
passed against countries, so seventeen on Israel. And of course
we know that much of Gaza has been reduced to rubble,
and the killing has been terrible there, to the tune
that a lot of people won't even look at it.
And I know you'll probably one of them, Heather, that
doesn't like to see what's going on there.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
It's just so bad.

Speaker 16 (26:57):
Winston Peters outlined the the twenty eight Western nations demanding
Israel ends the war, and he was followed later in
the debate, which went on for the best part of
half an hour, by the Maldi party co leader Rowery
White to team.

Speaker 11 (27:13):
This war must end hour, that this suffering is intolerable.
In that joint Staven, we condemned Hama's continued detention of
hostages and call for the immediate and unconditional release. And
we condemned Israel's policies which are leading to untold and
unimaginable suffering and death among Palestinian civilians, and we call
for it to comply with its obligations on international humanitarian law.

Speaker 17 (27:35):
We must end this human crisis. Sanction Israel, Sanction everyone
supporting them, and again we demand Israel open the bloody
gates and stop the genocide. We need strong sanctions, explosion
of the Israel ambassador. As we have called in the past,
we don't need fight fight be host solutions, which means
following the fractulance of others like the US. Why does

(27:59):
this ministerial statement not call for an immediate and unconditional
ceasefire by Israel.

Speaker 11 (28:05):
Well, perhaps because one of the conditions has yet to
be met, like giving back the hostages.

Speaker 16 (28:12):
Yeah, and that's a fair point. I mean, you can
argue this thing every which way. I mean, it's absolutely horrible.
And the point that Peter's made in Parliament this afternoon,
it's been going on for decades and let's hope finally
it comes to a head. But comes to a head
at the expense of the whole Gaza strip is basically

(28:33):
ninety one percent has been flattened and fifty nine thousand
people killed. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
You're a big fan of this Harmony accord, are you.

Speaker 16 (28:42):
Yes, I am, And I think the right person who
actually initiated it was Mark Mitchell. Now Mitch's he worked
in the Middle East for several years and he knows
the area well, and he got together leaders of the
Muslim and Jewish communities and they signed this accord because

(29:05):
what I think it's important is that we all have
views on what's going on in the Middle East, and
whenever you have a discussion around the dinner table, people
get very heated about this all over the place. But
the thing is that what Mitch wants to do is
probably dampen it down a bit in this country. And

(29:27):
there's been so many anti Semitic statements and anti Islam
islamophobia in this country, and this accord, he hopes from
the leaders of these communities will speak to those that
listen to them and say, listen, you can't dislike the
Jewish population just as the Jewish population because of what's

(29:50):
happening there we live in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Credit to him for that, But where it misses the
point slightly is I'm not entirely sure it's always the
Muslim community having a crack at the Jewish community over
what's going on, and vice versa. It's it's Randoms who
belong to the Green Party seem to be what for example,
and various other outfits who get the most worked up
about about the situation point. And I'm not sure they're

(30:15):
going to take the lead of the Jewish and the
Muslim leaders.

Speaker 16 (30:17):
Here, just like they're not going to take the lead
of the twenty eight countries that signed up to the haidariation.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Nor do we have a massive problem like they do
in Melbourne, right, No, No, we don't. We do not, thankfully.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (30:30):
So you know it's one of those things though that
people get very charged and rightly so about, because they
said on the television screens night up to night up
to night.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yep, Barry, thanks very much, Barry. So for senior political
correspond to listen to polled out his pole has been leaked.
Let's get you across that next eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:51):
And the longer way to wake out of medical schoolers
go sing in browns. The health industry, are they going
to run a model where if you're of a certain race,
you get in more recently like a tiger in Auckland.

Speaker 9 (30:59):
I have to focus here on attracting and retaining people
from those.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
More rural communities. So will they or won't they?

Speaker 15 (31:04):
Their admission criteria will be developed.

Speaker 18 (31:05):
Yeah, but if it's developed where a Murray person gets
in on seventy nine percent and everyone else's ninety eight percent,
are you going to do.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
On the front about that or not? The priority here
is to make sure we're getting people from regional New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (31:14):
But a simple question to me, if the regional person
happens to be Murray, will they get in with a
lower score than a non Murray.

Speaker 19 (31:20):
If we want to make sure it's a fear system,
is the current system?

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Well, that's why we're doing a review of it.

Speaker 18 (31:25):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Bayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB Here the.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Police officer here read what's happening with the Southern Motorway
in Auckland. I'm sure you will all know in due course,
but in the meantime, trust me when I say it
is extremely lucky that no one was hurt and we
had no choice but to close the motorway for that
duration as we needed to keep anyone nearby from being hurt.
There is no overreaction here. Thank you for that, Thomas,
appreciate it. Four away from five Now the poll. There

(31:54):
is a leak of the Talbot Mills polling for commercial clients.
Now that is important because it only ever gets leak
when it's good for labor. But that doesn't mean it
is not worthy and worthwhile knowing what's going on here.
So this is what the poll says. It's not good
for the government. Basically, seventy six percent of people think
the economy was not so good or poor. Fifty one
percent of people believe the country is headed on the

(32:16):
wrong track. Fifty one percent disapprove rather of the government's performance.
So the vast majority of people are not happy about
the government, the way the country is headed, or what's
going on with the economy thirty eight percent. Only thirty
eight percent believe the government deserves to be re elected.
Forty eight percent thinks it's time to give another party

(32:37):
a go. Most ACT supporters, sixty seven percent believe National
deserves a second term. But here's your problem. New Zealand
First supporters are divided. Forty percent think National deserves reelection,
Forty three percent do not believe National deserves reelection. If
they don't go for National, who do they go for?
They go for Labor. Forty percent believe labor is ready

(32:59):
to govern them. Thirty nine percent say Labor's not ready
to govern That right, there is your problem, because both
sides need Winston Peters and if his If his supporters
are divided, well, it gives them two options, doesn't it.
Sophie Maloney? If sky TV is with us next on
buying TV three for one dollar.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Tow fly twice, time flies only twice.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for
the full picture? Heather Dupasy on Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
That'd be afternoon. We have got another one dollar deal.
SkyTV is buying TV three from Warner Brothers Discovery for
a single dollar. It will take on none of TV
three's death Now the investors are loving it. Shares and
sky TV are up more than five percent today the move.
It gives sky TV a huge free to air platform
and will undoubtedly put pressure on TV as Z. Sophie

(34:10):
Maloney is the boss of sky TV. Hi, Sophie, you
gotta hear that. How are you doing well?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Have you cracked a champagne yet?

Speaker 8 (34:17):
No?

Speaker 20 (34:17):
I heaven These are very important discussion so but thrilled
to be with you and share this exciting news.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
This is a bargain. I mean, have you got the
bargain of the year.

Speaker 20 (34:26):
Look, we worked hard with Warner Brothers Discovery to get
to a very good place here and we're absolutely thrilled
about welcoming the Discovery New Zealand team into the wider
Sky business. So yeah, it's a great opportunity for us
that we're uniquely placed to go after.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
So are you going to shut down Sky Open the channel?

Speaker 20 (34:44):
No, not at this where we're definitely just continuing business
as usual. We've got a full transition plan to set through.
You know, we don't actually complete until the first of August,
and so there's absolute continuity of content and delivery across
all of the channels and no change in the near future.
In time, of course, we'll have a look across all
of it and see what's the best way to deliver
for all.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Of New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (35:03):
But as things stand, absolutely no change and we're excited
about the offering on Sky Open.

Speaker 21 (35:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
But this is obviously this is the platform where you
put your free to air content, well, once you've monetized
it and got all the money you can out of it.
Behind the pay all of Neon and Sky TV, surely
this is where you put it for the advertising. Well,
I think there's actually different audiences and different content that
resonates across free and pay, and as you say, though,
this does give us an awesome opportunity to deliver right

(35:29):
across the piece, and we're really excited. You know, three
has an amazing history and three now it was the
missing platform from our go to market from an advertising perspective,
So that's a.

Speaker 20 (35:40):
Very exciting part of the deal for us. And it's
got a massively diverse audience from what we have on
the Sky side.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Okay, so does this basically mean that TV ANDS is
no longer an option when it comes to sports negotiations,
You guys are the only game in town because you've
got the existing infrastructure of SkyTV. You can broadcast it,
you can do all of that hard work. You've also
got the free to air platform now in TV three. No, look,
I don't think it's the end of that at all.
I think TVNZ's a super important player in the market.

(36:08):
They're still the juggernaut in terms of advertising revenue share,
and you know, ultimately hither it is about the sports
partners and where they want to be showcasing their content
and it still needs to make financial sense, right, So
I think it's actually really important for the local media
ecosystem that you do have two vibrant opportunities for sport
partners and beyond. Is this why the rugby broadcast deal

(36:30):
and the netball broadcast deal has not been tidied up
and finished by the time we all thought they were
going to be because you guys were waiting for the steal.

Speaker 18 (36:38):
No, not at all.

Speaker 20 (36:39):
This is unrelated. This deal has been worked on for
a long time. It came to fruition finally last night
and is unconnected to both of those arrangements.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Are you going to keep the news at six on
TV three? Again?

Speaker 20 (36:54):
Absolutely no change. So yeah, we're going to be keeping
the news at six and we're excited about that partnership
with stuff going forward. You know, once it's complete from
the first of August.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
How long has that deal got to run between TV.

Speaker 20 (37:07):
Three and to hear that confidential information? But there's a
decent period to run, which is great.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
What's a decent period? Are it all years or months?

Speaker 20 (37:18):
Because yeah, yeah, longer than months, Heather, longer than months.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, because you're going to have to cut it right.

Speaker 8 (37:28):
It is.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
It is expensive and it is not delivering, is it?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I don't I wouldn't say that at all.

Speaker 20 (37:34):
In fact, I think the team have done a remarkable
job and we know news is super important, right you
were talking about that earlier, that we've got to make
sure we've got news coverage speaking the word decent. So
absolutely no change to the delivery of three News in
the partnership with Stuff, and I think it's a really
important aspect of this steal that we do continue to

(37:55):
see news thriving. Doesn't mean we're going to go created ourselves,
by the way, it's really important that we partner with
local news providers who've got all the infrastructure and talent.
So you need never know here that maybe there'll be
an opportunity for you.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Listen to this. Okay, listen, are you are you gonna
crack If you haven't cracked a champagne yet, are you
going to crack your champagne tonight?

Speaker 20 (38:17):
We are definitely going to have a champagne. As a team,
they've worked incredibly hard to get to this place, so yeah,
it's a thrilling place to be.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Good stuff. Enjoy it very much, Sophie. Thank you, Sophie Maloney,
Chief Executive sky TV Ever do for c l okay
to the Middle East, New Zealand has joined twenty seven
other countries in a joint statement condemning the killing of
Gars and civilians and called for an immediate ceasefire in Palestine.
Statement was signed by Foreign Minister Winston Peters. Winston, Hello, Yillo,
is anything actually going to change because of this joint statement?

Speaker 11 (38:47):
Well, it's a serious step up. We've got twenty eight
countries now and now you has joining us, so it's
starting to build and let's hope that this time we're successful.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
You will Seriously, is anything going to change?

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Though?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
As long as the US, Winston, as long as the
US is in supportive Israel, they're not going to stop,
are they.

Speaker 11 (39:07):
Look, Donald Trump has expressed very clearly here's outer frustration
on what's going on. He made it as clear as
clear as possible. We just hope that the pressure building
up now will see this come turn end. But remember this,
our masters still keeping those hostages they took on the
seventh of October. This should be massively condemned as well.

(39:29):
It should be the prelude to this change. So it's difficult.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, I understand that is Israel. Do you think pressing
ahead with its plans to clear the strip of Palestinians.

Speaker 11 (39:41):
I can't say that I don't know what their plans are.
I mean, there's a whole lot of information out there
in the ether which is not based on fact, not sound,
and we have awfully cautious here to ensure that our
sources are better than some countries are.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Haven't they said publicly that they're going to do this.

Speaker 11 (40:00):
No, some people have said in the Israeli Parliament that,
but that's not been the government's position.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
What do you believe?

Speaker 11 (40:09):
Well, and we're waiting, we're trying to find out what
it all means. But what we want is the strife
in the death over now while we try and help
put back together some sort of peaceful solution.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Okay, what is it that's brought on the statement? What
in particular, well.

Speaker 11 (40:28):
What's particular has brought it on is the frustration that
we're engaged in long periods of helping out when this crisis,
humanitarian crisis, and yet there's no at the moment solution
that appears obvious to many of us. Stop the war
and finalize this matter, get around the peace table. But

(40:48):
both sides, in the case of our mass, not even
now can seeing that they should be giving those hostages back.
This is the outrage, and they're misusing so many Palestinians
in their desire to eradicate the state of Israel. This
is both sides wrong story.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Okay, Let's say that your hope is your wish comes
true and there is sufficient public pressure to force some
sort of a stop to the fighting. How does that
play out?

Speaker 11 (41:16):
Well, I hope it plays out where we have an
opportunity to begin with the two state solution, which has
been out case across the political divide over decades. We've
always believed that and we're not giving up on that solution.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yes, but what happens here, So let's say sufficient numbers
in the world say this is outrageous, pressure is put
on Donald Trump to pull support for Israel. Is that
likely to happen?

Speaker 11 (41:41):
Well, I can't answer for the American people, and I
can't answer for the American government, but they are an
essential component of the solution.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
It can't happen without him, though, can it.

Speaker 11 (41:54):
Well, it should be able to happen without the United States.
So that's in much pressure we require now to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Winston, Thank you very much, Winston Peters Foreign Minister list
and we'll talk about this a little bit more. Also,
Murray Deek is with us next quarter pass. Hey, here's
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Speaker 6 (43:00):
Z Heather Dupers the Allen nineteen past five.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Now, a Perhota Carwa tree on Auckland's north shore has
proven controversial. The thing has fallen over into an apartment
complex's property. It's been lying there for three years now
and while the residents of the complex want to get
rid of it, they're not allowed now. As it happens,
one of our own broadcasters lives at the apartments. Murray Deeka,
Hello and welcome back to drive.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Thank you lovely to be on the program. Much nicer
than that fella like it used to be on it.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I'm going to tell him you said that. Now tell
me why can't you get rid of this tree?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Well, it's very difficult to know hither because half of
it fell over some years ago, about ten years ago,
fell through into the land which is part of the
boardwalk that the council is responsible for. There were some
kids smoking pot on the boardwalk at the time. The
master thought it was great pot. The council panicked and

(43:53):
came in with a whole group of people. That was
cut up and taken away in two days. This one
fell on This is the other half of the tree
fell on our side of it. And although we were
told initially that we could take it away, ten hours
later that was changed and they said if you touch
that tree, it will cost you three hundred thousand dollars.
It is a notable tree, even though it is on

(44:14):
your property. So even is it dead, Yeah, it's dead,
but you see there's still some roots there. And they
keep on bringing in arborists and they look at it
and they say, oh, I think there's something happening. It's
lying flat on the ground. It's as dead as a dodo.
So it looks terrible.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Somebody must be somebody must be telling the council that
they love it and they want to keep it.

Speaker 15 (44:36):
Who is it.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
There's fifty eight people who have put in submission saying
they want it out, all right. Yeah, there are two
only who have said no, we want it. One is
the WE and the other one is some green outfit.
But these none of these, the EWE nor the Green
Effort realize what a safety hasard it is, what a

(44:59):
fire risk it is, and that it's an area which
has ruined our the livelihood of a lot of kids
that come and visit their grandparents and roll down the hill.
There's no way they can do that now. It's just
not safe, right, So what are you going to do?

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Well, there's a hearing on the.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Sixth of August, and I think that's probably why you've
got interested in this, and people can go along and
put their submissions in and I think that that'll be
an interesting one. It's being heard by two independent people,
and it depends on how independent they are. If the
middle bureaucrats or lower bureaucrats are pointed by the council,

(45:43):
I wouldn't hold my hopes up because it seems to
me that are in our society today. And I'm not
speaking on behalf of any council, but it seems to
me that in our society today, where EWE is involved,
EWE gets what EWE wants.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Deeks thank you for your time, Mrray Deeker, apartment resident
frustrated by the Berherdakar at five point twenty two.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news tog Sai'd be Heather's.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
So good to hear Deeks on the radio. I hope
he's good, mate. He is playing golf in California. Hey
is good. Five twenty four. Now to something that's not
quite as good, which is Gaza. Look, Unfortunately, I don't
hope hold a lot of hope for this joint statement
on Gaza achieving anything. Unfortunately, the sense that I got
from Winston just before is that he's hoping that the
thing gains He acknowledges it's not going to do anything

(46:34):
by itself, right, but he hopes that it gains momentum
and eventually that there is sufficient international pressure for it
to force Donald Trump through sheer pressure coming at him
from the world forces Donald Trump to withdraw support and
importantly arms from benjaminette Ya, who thereby forcing Israel to
stop what it's doing. Look, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

(46:54):
It is not the first joint statement from US since
this war started, and the others haven't worked. The war
is still going. I've thought about this every which way,
and I just cannot see this war ending until Hamas
ends it by releasing the hostages. Now, I know that
Hamas are not the ones doing the primary damage, right, now,
I mean October seven, twenty twenty three, it was them.
But right now the response from Israel is disproportionate, and

(47:17):
it's not Hamas doing it right now, right I know
it's Israel. I know it's the IDF killing the kids.
I know it's the IDF being instructed to round people
up and put them in a camp on the ruins
of Rafa. I know it's the IDF shooting people collecting food.
It's Israel committing the crimes. And the joint statement seems
to basically acknowledge that, because the joint statement is aimed
primarily at Israel. But the solution doesn't lie with Israel.

(47:39):
The solution lies with Hamas, because as long as they
hold those ten hostages, Israel has a story it can
tell the world for why it continues this military operation
in Gaza. If those hostages were released, though, Israel would
not have a reason for being in there with the
guns anymore. It could come up with the reason. It
could try, I mean, it could run the line that
it needs to keep operating to prevent further attacks, and
maybe that would be sufficient to rally some international sympathy

(48:02):
for the argument, but most international support would vapur evaporate
because it would have its hostages back, and international pressure
would then not have to contend with you know, yes,
Hummas still has the hostages. It could concentrate firmly on Israel,
stopping Israel and pressuring Trump to stop Israel. So I
do not see another way that this ends, which means
that as long as Humas holds those hostages, I do

(48:24):
not see it ending, no matter how outraged we are
at Israel, which we are, or no matter how many
countries signed that those joint statements. Here, the dupless, the
out We've got a statement from the coppers. What's going
on with the Southern Motorway in Auckland is that the
police found a man's body off the motorway about half
past eleven, and then they found something nearby that looked

(48:44):
like a bomb. They took it away. It was not
a bomb, but it looked like a bomb. So you can,
I guess you can decide how you feel about that.
You can either call that at overreaction or you can
call that an abundance of caution, because I guess if
something looks like a bomb, you probably want to be
a little bit careful around it. Don't you anyway, Let's
talk next about those granny flats, because as I told
you earlier, the granny flats are not We all thought

(49:07):
you could just stick them up. You didn't need to
do paperwork. Oh there's a lot of paperwork you still
have to do. So maybe not as easy as it seemed.
News is next.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

Speaker 6 (49:29):
He'd be.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I'm an arborist with thirty years experience. I've seen the
fallen Perhuda car with tree at the apartments. It should
be removed immediately. The bureaucracy is a joke. It doesn't
serve any purpose where it lies. It's just an I
soore and blocks access to the complex gardens. Thanks mebs
Meds is just commenting on what deex was saying about
the Poda cars. Now we're going to talk to the
huddle very shortly. Just got to update you on what's

(49:59):
going on with y Cuttle University. So I thought we'd
done the why Cuttle University thing, but evidently not. And
I thought also because Neil had been. This is Neil Quickly,
the VC Vice Chancellor had been on with Mike this morning.
I think I thought he'd had done his dash, But no,
Neil and his people have got in touch with our
show and said he would like to come on, and
he had like a right of reply to the fact

(50:20):
that I have said that I think the costs are
going to blow out, and you know what we said, Okay, fine, whatever, Well,
we'd love to hear both sides of every story, so
come on on. So he'll be with us after six
o'clock on that right now. It's twenty four away from six. Now.
Remember the old Granny flats and the rule change that
lets you put one on your property without having to
get consent, Well, not so easy. You still need permission apparently,

(50:41):
which means that the promise of thirteen thousand more flats
is probably slightly over inflated. Managing director of witburn Group,
David Whitburner, is with us now, Hi, David, David, are
you there?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So are there?

Speaker 21 (50:55):
You are?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Okay? If not thirteen thousand, how many?

Speaker 22 (51:00):
I think it's far more likely to see a bigger,
more like three thousand or so extra dwellings.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
The reality is.

Speaker 22 (51:07):
It's a niche accommodation type of granny flat. It's not
everyone's dream to live in a granny flat. It can
be very useful for extended far and no living. Can
be useful for an investment purpose to do it as well,
but it's often very poor density for the tier Ian cities,
they're limited to only one story seventy square meters in size,
so it's a little bit of a niche activity type.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Okay, what kind of permission do you still need to get?

Speaker 22 (51:34):
You still need to get a PIM or a project
information memorandum. This gives the councils of territorial authorities the
ability to screen out certain things like building too close
to the neighbors and floodplains and culturally sensitive areas significant
ecological areas, so there are quite a few constraints that
will still mean that you need to get things up,
surveys and architects involved to make sure that you're not

(51:58):
breaching any rules with hazard and it can actually demonstrate
to council you're treading storm and waste water properly and
have got the appropriate vehicle access in parking, depending on
the council that you're in.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
In all, So would you have to go through the
rigmarole of getting an architect in all cases or just
in the worst cases.

Speaker 22 (52:18):
In most cases you'll still need it only because you'll
need to know what to order in terms of that,
and nowadays the software is designed, it's much easier with
the computer aided design text.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
You get your architect to do it.

Speaker 22 (52:30):
There should be some savings and some streamlinings from it,
but not in all cases. But in most cases it's
present to get an architect.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
And how much of pain in the butt is a
PIM as opposed to go through for a resource consent.

Speaker 22 (52:42):
Let's just say, oh, a pym's much easier than getting
a resource consent, but it still needs detailed information. This
is where some of the councils have aver already been
on record for being a little bit worried about it.
They're worried about now they're planning teams are going to
have to be the gatekeeper and block out numerous of
these granny flats. Whereas that they think the resource concent
process and building consent processes are better, the PEM still

(53:05):
needs detailed information on it, so you still need to
provide a site plan, a floor planning scale drawings to
make sure that you can demonstrate that you're hitting the
key adding controls.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
All right, Hey David, thanks for that, appreciate it. That's
David Whitburn, the managing director of the Whitburn Group Project Development.
Right now, twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes
uniquely for you on the.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Huddle with me this evening. Thomas Scrimger of the Maximum
Institute and Phil GoF, former High Commissioner to the UK,
former Labor Patty leader, former foreigners the former Auckland mayor.
Hello are you two?

Speaker 23 (53:36):
Gillay Heather Hi Thomas.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Now Sky TV Thomas. How good is the steal?

Speaker 19 (53:43):
Well, they're probably overpaid. Aman a dollar seems a bit steep.
TV three has always been a bit broke. I could
end up being a good deal in the long term,
but it's only a Sky fines efficiencies, which is to say,
you know, job cuts, so it's sort of efforts good
for Sky's business, it's not good for people who currently
work for TV three. This won't prevent any of that

(54:04):
kind of decline there in terms of jobs available. I mean,
if your Sky TV. You're in the business of a
linear domestic TV programming.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
This is a hail Mary. It might not work, but
what else would you do? My take?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, I think so. I think the people who will
be the most gutted about this today, phil will be
TV and Z. Don't you think.

Speaker 23 (54:22):
Well, it ups the level of competition with TV and Z,
and that's probably not a bad thing. The Commerce Commission
is clearly okay with it. Warner Brothers couldn't make a
go of it and make it financially. The Sky people
think that they can, and it gives them real advantages.
My worry is what then happens to the TV three news.

(54:43):
I think the decline of TV three and one less
really well resourced news outlet is never a good thing
for coverage of current events and politics. So I'm hoping
that this won't be a further narrowing of news outlets
and where people can get news information from.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Do you watch the TV three news film?

Speaker 23 (55:04):
I watch TV and Z on demand largely because then
I can watch it whatever time I want. I probably
could do the same with three. But you know, TV
one News is the resourced news channel.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
Well, this is the trouble.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
This is the trouble phill. What's the point in having
TV three news. I mean, let's be honest about it.
It's a pretty cruddy. It's about I'd give it about
a six out of ten at the moment. So what's
the point in having it if it's just doing a
kind of a half fast job.

Speaker 23 (55:31):
Yeah, yeah, I mean when I used to watch TV
one and three, you know, particularly when I was in politics,
you'd look avidly at what was showing on each and
how and they did show different perspectives on the same issues,
and that was quite useful, and some picked up issues
that the other channel had ignored, And I thought that
diversity of news was it was a really good thing. Now,

(55:53):
you know, because they've cut back on what, you know,
stuff news can provide for TV three, it's less valuable
than it was, but I think it's still valuable to
have some competition in providing news in different perspectives.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah. Now, Thomas, let's talk about the situation in Gaza.
How do you see this actually in reality ending?

Speaker 19 (56:13):
Well, I'm not really one to make predictions about how
it will end, but my observation would be is that
I don't think we have any clear light at the
end of the tunnel. Honestly, I was a bit disappointed
with the quality of the statement that New Zealand signed
up to. I think it was somewhat confused, and so
the specific concern I have is that there are kind

(56:35):
of several different parts in the statement. Early on, it
talks about the hostages that Hamas currently holds of Israeli nationals,
and it says that a negotiated ceasefire offers the best
hope of bringing them home and ending their agony of
their families. So the statement is calling for a negotiated
ceasefire to bring the hostages home. But by the end

(56:56):
of the statement it says that we urge the parties
and the national community to unite in a common effort
to bring this terrible conflict to an end through an immediate,
unconditional and permanent ceasefire. Are they calling for a negotiated
ceasefire or an immediate unconditional one. Those are not the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Fair criticism, phil.

Speaker 23 (57:17):
Well, My focus is on what I would now I'd
never have used to them previously, but the genocide that's
happening against Palestinians in Gaza. You can't starve people to
death and then shoot the people that are desperately seeking
food aid as they go to pick up that aid.
You can't kill over seventeen thousand children and maim tens

(57:40):
of thousands of children and still claim to be a
state that works on the basis of decency and morality.
You can't talk as or it's not more, it's more
than talk. You can't plan to move six hundred thousand
Palestinians and then the entire two point one million population
of Palestinians in Gaza into what former Israeli Prime Minister

(58:01):
Ehud Olmot has called a concentration camp, in which the
Israeli Defense Minister calls a humanitarian city. I know which
person I believe in terms of what that city will be,
it will be a concentration camp, a transit camp.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
All right, just hold that thought, guys. I'm going to
come back to this sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones
fun massed results.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Right, We're back with Phil Goff and Thomas Skrim. Thomas, Okay, so,
how I know you don't want to make predictions, but
can you see this ending without the hostages? Being released first.

Speaker 19 (58:38):
Honestly, I don't see any way in which Israel is
giving up without those hostages either retrieved, alive or deceased.
Israel seem pretty well set on that approach and aren't
ameniable to international I guess statements or criticisms.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
They have clearly got a plan in mind, and I
think part of a challenge.

Speaker 19 (59:00):
Is that they have entered into an incredibly destructive war
without a clear exit plan. Yeah, because if they're aiming
for total retrieval of the hostages, that doesn't seem like
a goal that is achievable, and so for a war
to be just you have to have a clear metric
for success. And so basically I'm very pessimistic about what

(59:22):
the prospects are for peace.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Phil Do you see any way that this ends without
the hostages first being released.

Speaker 23 (59:30):
Well, I think the hostages can be released if they
still alive after the further bombardments that are still going
on in the Gaza Strip, most of the hostages. No
way justifying Harmas and the other organizations taking hostages, but
most of the hostages will have been killed in the
Israeli stride.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Now I know, I know this, and look, let's accept
Hamas does not care about what happens with the Palestinian people,
and the Israeli government does not actually care about what
happens with the hostages. Right, they're using them as means
to further their own ends. But can this thing end?
Like I feel like we're putting a lot of pressure
on Israel quite rightly for the crimes that they are committing,
which they are, But actually should the pressure be put

(01:00:10):
on Hamas because actually until those hostages are released, this
does not stop.

Speaker 23 (01:00:14):
Yeah, Look, releasing all the hostages is one of the
conditions of a ceasefire, and that can happen. My question
really is whether the Netanya who wants it to happen.
As soon as the war is over, there will be
a resumption of the criminal charges for corruption against Netan Yahoo,
and that will be the end of his career.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
And it will be a fair field. Which brings us
to the next more miserable point, which is that we
can say all we like that this needs to stop.
It will not stop because neither of these these sides
actually want it to stop. Do they want this to continue?

Speaker 23 (01:00:47):
There's an absence of leadership, and it's long been a
problem in the Middle East on the side of the
Israelis and the Palestinians. In terms of finding a decent settlement,
you have to go back to Rabin, I think, to
find a leader of Israel that actually genuinely wanted to
find a long term and sustainable solution that the tragedy
has to stop. The question is where the twenty seven countries.

(01:01:08):
And good on them for signing the letter. I totally
approve of the letter, but whether they can make a difference.
The Israelis have just come back and said, you don't
know the reality on the ground, actually the truth as
we do it. We watch it every night on TV
as another atrocity happens, more kids have killed and maimed,
more civilians die. Rubble has turned into even smaller pieces
of rubble. It's got to stop. But the United States

(01:01:31):
is the key to this. And Trump doesn't have an
interest in reigning in ans in Yahoo and that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, totally. Now, Thomas, listen that poll that was leaked today,
the Talbot Mills Pole. I think the thing that was
the most interesting out of it was where New Zealand
first support us it.

Speaker 19 (01:01:45):
What do you think, Oh, I'm quite confident that Winston
can convince the supporters of just about anything. So Winston's
getting his numbers and is polling really well. You know,
as far as he's entered into a government and minor parts,
he's often struggle there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
So Winston will get his votes and then he can
make his call.

Speaker 19 (01:02:04):
You know, if he's got Stuart Nash as his wingman
at the next election, he might decide he wants to
go back with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
The Red team.

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
But I think the coverage of the polling is really strange.
If we look at the politics has two blocks, a
left block and a right block. The right block was
doing its worst back in February. They have gained relative
to the left block for the past four or five
months and the gap is now the largest it's been
if you look at a polling average.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Suddenly this poll comes out and the media has picked
up on.

Speaker 19 (01:02:34):
The story is if we have this new struggle even
though the gap is widening not shrinking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Interesting point, what do you think.

Speaker 23 (01:02:41):
Phil, Yeah, we'll look with the New Zealand first voters
the populist though you know, the New Zealand's first appeal
is the populist one to their voters, and the voters
the alienated voters that they appeal to don't like any government,
whoever's in government.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
That's the truth of it.

Speaker 23 (01:02:58):
Peters has got the ability to to pull some of
his people on side. A lot of it will hinge
on the cost of living, and you know at the moment,
well two things actually. One, I'm actually doing the shopping
now as a retired gentleman, and I can just see
what the rise in the cost of living has been. Secondly,

(01:03:19):
I actually know several people who have been made redundant.
Now that's pretty unusual. Generally, you know it's somebody else
that you don't know that gets made redundant. I've got
a son that's in business as a trade in the
construction trade. I know that these are the worst conditions
that he's faced in more than a decade. If those
things persist, then the government may be in trouble, but
it's premature to say that it is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, guys, it's good to talk to you. Have a
lovely evening. Phil GoF former Everything you Know and Thomas
Scrumer of the Maximum Institute. Eight away from six, It's
the Heather.

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Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Totally agree here that nothing will change and guard until
the hostages are released. Hey, this could be I said
that there's the joint statement was definitely the political news
of the day. I think this could be the second
biggest political news story of the day.

Speaker 14 (01:04:12):
I'm not taking any any lectures from freaking Chris Hipkins
or the Labor Party.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Freaking Chris Hopkins. Freaking Chris Hopkins. I mean, that's an
extreme level of frustration, there isn't it when you're so
angry at Chris Hippins that he's freaking Chrishipkins.

Speaker 14 (01:04:27):
I'm not taking any any lectures from freaking Chris Hepkins or.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
The Labor Party. I'm getting come on, I want to
know what you think. I'm getting strong haired girl vibes
on this one. Are you you know when you're like,
hold on, hot on, Okay, this is what the cool
kids are doing. I've got to do the thing the
cool kids are doing. They're saying swear words. I'm going
to do swear words with the cool kids. But then
I'm actually really scared of what the teacher is going
to say, so then I just go for frecking Are
you not getting that strong haired girl. Vibe there anyway,

(01:04:53):
go on, then tell me what you think. Nine two
nine two is the text number. Got some happy news
for you? Well, it really depends on how you see this.
I looked at it and I thought, I, actually, I'm
such a glass half full that I was a glass
half empty actually that I was like, Oh, that's happy news.
You decided for yourself. The Economist has released its list

(01:05:14):
of richest countries in the world, which it does every year,
and to my I thought we would do worse than this,
so I was kind of pleasantly surprised. So what they
do is they've got three measures, right, So first of all,
they just look at GDP per person at market exchange rates,
and then the second one they adjust for purchasing power parity.
You know how far your coin actually goes in your
own country, and then you know how much a can

(01:05:35):
of coke costs, for example, across all the countries. And
then the third one accounts for local prices and hours work.
So when you look at GDP per person, Switzerland comes
out on top. When you look at PPP purchasing power parity,
Singapore comes out on top. And when you look at
local prices and hour works and hours work. Norway comes
on top in each of the each of these, we
are not at the bottom of the pack. We're sitting

(01:05:56):
firmly in the top third, right, so we're right up
there at the front. However, that's the good way of
looking at it. The bad way of looking at it,
I guess, is just how much less we earn than
the leading contender in each of these categories. So in
the first category, Switzerland, they are earning one hundred and
four thousand dollars every year. We are earning an average
of forty nine thousand dollars every year, so we're at

(01:06:17):
less than half of the leader. Second way of looking
at it, second measure is Singapore earning one hundred and
fifty one thousand dollars every year. We're at about a
third fifty five thousand dollars every year. Norway in the
third measure one one five, one hundred and fifteen thousand
dollars every year. We're on fifty one. So as you

(01:06:37):
can see, we're a good third to a half of
what the leaders are on. But as I say it,
we are in the top third. We're right up there
in the top third of the country. We're beat in Japan.
I'm not just talking about like Senegal places like that.
We're beat in Japan, so I thought not too bad anyway.
Neil Quigley off Whykutzweld University.

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seven past six. Now, if you caught the show yesterday,
you're going to know that I have some doubts about
how much the third medical school at Why Couple University

(01:07:53):
will actually end up costing US. Now it was originally
going to cost three hundred and eighty million dollars in total.
Now it's apparently only going to be two hundred and
thirty five million dollars. Why Cautle Universities asked to come
on the show for a rite of reply, and we're
very happy to say we have the vice chancellor Neil
quickly with us Hi Neil, evening, Heather. Now, how did
you guys get the cost down from three eighty to

(01:08:15):
two thirty five?

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
The biggest part of it is that in the original cost,
we took the total amount of space that we would
need for everything at the university and all the clinical placements,
and we built in the new build cost for that space.
But as it's turned out, as we work through the
business case, both at the university and around the regional

(01:08:38):
and rural hospitals that we'll be working in, there's a
lot of space that needs some sprucing up renovation, but
that doesn't need to be built new. So the cost
of the capital part of the project came down very substantially.
Is because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Cool you guys have to contribute between yourselves and philanthropists
about one hundred and fifty million dollars. How much of
that is the is the university putting in?

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Well, we don't have an exact breakdown, but it's about
fifty to fifty that I expect we'll be doing at
this point. The university is in really good financial shape.
Our enrollments have risen very quickly this year and we're
on track for a twenty million dollar surplus for this
financial year. And we have no debt at the moment either,

(01:09:21):
So the university is well able to take on the
risk of So have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
You cleared all of your debt?

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
And you have a facility of about one hundred million still.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Yet well next year it'll be one hundred and twenty million. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Who are the philanthropists?

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Well, I can't tell you right now because we got
only a few hours notice that the government was going
to announce on Monday, and the philanthropists need to work
through a process of formalizing their commitments with us now
that we have the green lights. So we'll be announcing

(01:10:00):
once we work through those and probably with each of
them major donors, having a special event with each of
them to outline what they're supporting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
So, if you're putting in seventy five and they're putting
in seventy five, have you secured the full seventy five
from philanthropists at least in verbal agreements?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
No, roughly fifty five at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Okay, so still short of twenty Where do you reckon
that's going to come from?

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Oh, we've only just started, Heather. And the reason is that,
you know, it's really quite difficult to raise money for
a project that's only a talk project. So once it
becomes a real project, once we've got the support of
the government formally, then it's much easier to approach people.
And you know, I'm already finding in the last few

(01:10:43):
days that I've had people contacted me saying, you know,
let's talk. So that's very encouraging.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Oh that's cool. So can you guarantee me, though, that
the taxpayer, which is due to put in about eighty
three million dollars, will not have to put a cent
more than we are told we'll have to put in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
That's the limit the government has given me, and that's
the limit that I work to. So yes, you know,
I think I've got a track record that says the
university can work to the budget limits.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
That we have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Yeah, We've done very well with all of our capital
projects in the ten years that I've been at Wycott,
and I think this one is not out of the
ordinary for the scale of our capital investment. Each year
at the university, so I'm confident we can brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I feel heartened by this conversation, Neil. I need to
ask you something. Did Adrian all swear in a meeting
with Treasury on twenty one February?

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
I wondered if you'd raised that. I don't have any
comment about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
So you're aware of this? Are you this news that's broken?

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
I've just heard in the last hour that there's a
conversation going on, but I'm not a part of it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Did he swear in a meeting with Treasury on the
twenty first effect, I can't comment on that. Why can't
you comment on that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Well, because that's a matter of privacy that I don't
that I don't think I should discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Is that because there's a gag order preventing you from
discussing it? No, it's okay, there is no you just
said no. Are you telling me there's no gag order?

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
No, I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that
that my normal obligation to preserve the privacy of someone
that I work with or who works for me, means
that I can't comment on things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Did No, that's okay. Did he swear in a meeting
with the Finance Minister three days later.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Well, I've heard that that's been said, but I can't
comment on that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Weren't you at that meeting?

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
I was at that meeting?

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Yes, So did he swear? Did you send him an
email three days after that? Neil? Did you send him
an email saying to him, Hey, here's a whole bunch
of specific and concrete allegations against you about your behavior.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Well, see, I can't go into that head listen to stag.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Order may prevent what he but can it Does it
prevent you discussing what you did, which includes sending him
this email.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
It's all been covered by an Official Information Act request
and we've responded to that. So that's as far as
I can go. And everything that I can say, and
I'm willing to say, we've said in response to the
Official Information Act requests.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Now, Neil, I'm sure that it hasn't escaped your attention
that I have been quite critical of you for the
fact that you have misrepresented a bunch of a bunch
of facts here. Do you have anything to say about that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Oh? Well, what do you have in mind? In particularly?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Well, you said that he left for personal reasons, and
it clearly wasn't personal reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
No, I said he that was a misquote by some journalists.
There's problem with journalists reading each other's work. I said
that adrian resignation was a personal decision, Yes, and it
was at the time we were working through some difficult issues.
But those issues weren't actually resolved for about a month

(01:14:06):
after Adrian's resignation. That's the funding agreement, and so I
wasn't in a position to go into anything relating to that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
So there was stuff that preceded the funding agreement. Is
that what you're telling me?

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
No, it was all part of the discussion of the
funding agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Are you telling me? Are you telling me he quit
for the funding agreement? Is that why he quit?

Speaker 24 (01:14:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
No, I'm just telling you that you know what we've
said in our response to the Official Information Act requests.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I'm confused now because if he quit the funding decision,
the funding agreement, then that's not a personal decision, is it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
There's nothing about a difference of view about where we
were headed with the funding that required his resignation. He
could easily have continued, and that's why it was a
personal decision to resign.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
So are you telling me he didn't actually quit about
the funding agreement, which we thought he'd quit over.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
No, No, you're you're turning what i've said around the
wrong way either. What I've said is there was a
difference of view about the direction we were traveling on
the funding agreement, but there was nothing about that that
required Adrian to resign. He chose to make a personal

(01:15:22):
decision that he would resign at that point when we
were halfway through the negotiation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
But can you understand can you understand our confusion because
he quit because of the funding agreement? Right, But you're
saying it's a personal decision. It can't be both, it's
one or the other.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
No, it is. No, No, it is because well, because
there was nothing about the funding discussion that required him
to resign in your opinion. In my opinion, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
He might have thought that there was something about it
that required him to Are you using personal decision because
every time someone quits it's ultimately a personal decision.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
No, but I think it clearly was in this case.
That's my view.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Nothing is clear about this at all. Okay, Neil, thank you,
I appreciate your time. That's Neil quickly the University of
why Cuttle's vice chancellor. I'm as confused as you. I
will listen. I will explain to you why all of
a sudden he was facing those questions. Let me come
back to that. Shortly sixteen past.

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Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Okay, so what's happened is that today a Michael Riddell
has written a blog. Now, if you know Michael Riddell,
he was a former rben Z staffer. He writes a
pretty well read blog called Croak and Cassandra. A lot
of people around Wellington and economics read this. He wrote
today that he had had somebody who is an arbien Zi's,
a Reserve Bank staffer, had gone touch anonymously and given

(01:17:01):
him a bunch of information. And what the person had
said is that the reason that Adrian or eventually quit
was because he had and there's a bunch of events
happened in the lead up to it. He'd had a
meeting with Treasury on the twenty first of February, and
he'd completely lost his call, behaving in a way that
was completely inappropriate and swearing, and that he had then
done exactly the same thing or roughly the same thing

(01:17:22):
in a meeting with the Finance Minister Nikola Willis on
the twenty fourth of February, and then on the twenty
seventh of February, three days later, Neil Quigley, as the
board chair, sent an email to Adrian Or which had
attached quote statement of concerns outlining outlining quite a specific
range of concrete and specific issues with the governor's behavior

(01:17:44):
covering several years, and not about funding. Quickly is reported
to have asked Or to respond, this was my correspondent says,
what triggered U's resignation. Now, the reason, apparently, according to
this that Neil Quigley can't answer questions about it is
because there was an exit agreement which included gag provisions
of some sort. Now, please do not get the impression

(01:18:05):
that this is that Neil Quickley is the bad guy
in this situation. Very much Adrian Or is the bad
guy in the situation. However, Neil Quickly's handling of it
has definitely left a lot to be desired. Because it
is one thing to go out there and say, look,
I can't talk about it. I cannot talk about it,
I cannot talk about it. It is quite another thing
to misrepresent the situation by then going it was a

(01:18:26):
personal decision in the way that every decision that you
make to resign is a personal decision. And we all
know it's not actually a personal decision. If it is,
as this correspondent says about his behavior, it's actually a
behavioral decision. Six twenty one Now, Jamie McKay, Host of
the Countries with Me, Jamie, Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Good, I Heather cousin, Heather Good to have you back.

Speaker 21 (01:18:45):
Say that Michael Radell, by the way, has written, I
would say, a wickedly one sided piece on the Listener
on our best and worst finance ministers since the Second
World War. And I think he's been very tough on
Bill English, who's lumbered down the bottom with Grant Robertson
and Robert Muldoon. And I don't know what his political
leanings are, but all the best finance ministers, according to him, come.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
From the Labour Party.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Oh who was the best? Did he say?

Speaker 21 (01:19:12):
Roger Douglas.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Well, can you can you actually argue against that?

Speaker 9 (01:19:16):
Jamie, Well, he was, he was a change agent.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
I'll give them that.

Speaker 21 (01:19:20):
And farmers have a lot to think Roger Douglas for
believe it or not. But unfortunately they stopped for a
cup of tea.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
And Roger not his fault.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
That was David's fault because David good, David got Rightener
was the second best finance minister. Michael Cullen, No, he
was third best.

Speaker 21 (01:19:36):
Walter Nash Walter Nash of course, great grandfather of future
New Zealand first candidate Stuart Nash.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
Well there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Okay, listen, talk to me about the red meat experts.
What's going on here? Is it the US still loving
our burgers?

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Hey, can I just get a shameless plug?

Speaker 9 (01:19:51):
And I know you're going to.

Speaker 21 (01:19:52):
Cut me off, but Nichola Willis is currently meeting with
Miles Hurrell and I've just watched the six pm news
she got or not she Miles Hurrell got breathlessly door
stopped by Mikey Sherman from One News accusing him of
or Fonterra, of hiking up the price of butter etc.
Just want to add some balance to this story Open

(01:20:13):
Country Dairy, our second biggest dairy company. The chief executive,
Mark Delatour, was on my shows last week.

Speaker 24 (01:20:19):
Here.

Speaker 21 (01:20:20):
They're building a new butter factory. It's about to open
an August in the Wyekattow. Guess what they're doing with
one hundred percent of their butter? What exporting it? Because
they can make more money overseas than they can here domestically.
So we've got to stop barking at cars on this
one and just realize that the high butter prices are

(01:20:40):
due to international commodity prices, not Fonterra ripping anybody off.
It's not Fonterra's job to subsidize the market.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Good stuff, Hey, Jamie, thanks very much, Jammy Mccaie hosts
The Country by the Way one News. Not only did
they door stop Myles Hurrell as he was walking into
the meeting for the walking to the be High for
the meeting with Nikola Willis, but they all so then
went live to Mikey Sherman with one of those banners
underneath her and it said Fonterra meeting underway. Now, Now,

(01:21:09):
I don't I feel like the Finance Minister will be
wildly regretting having ever told us that she's calling them
in for a Please explain on the price of butter,
because we this thing is being hyped beyond what it
possibly can ever result in. And I'll tell you what
press gallery tomorrow are going to be standing there going
and what are you doing about the price butter? What's changing?
What's changing? What's changing? They're hyping everyone up and you
and I know ain't nothing going to change because the

(01:21:30):
only way to change it is basically for us to
have the expert price for do we want that?

Speaker 24 (01:21:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Six twenty four.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
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Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
You should buy your butter at Costco. It's one hundred
percent New Zealand button and it's only sixty percent of
the price your fairpoint right now, it's coming up twenty
seven past six now in some showbiz news.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Just so.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Do you remember when Tenaciousty split up after the guitarists
made that joke on stage about Donald Trump right after
his assassination attempt. Turns out that. Apparently George Clooney was
to blame for that. He allegedly pressured the American actor
Jack Black, who's one half of Tenacious Ty, to drop
his long term friend Kyle Glass from the duo. Now
this has come out because of that three hour long

(01:22:21):
Hunter Biden interview where the interviewer revealed he used to
live next to Jack Black at the time it happened.
And here's what he said about it.

Speaker 25 (01:22:29):
George Clooney is blowing his phone up, being like, if
you don't kick your band member out of the band
and like publicly denounced this guy, Like I don't know
what the consequences were, but it was kind of like
you're out, out of what we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
And this is what Hunter Biden said about George Clooney.

Speaker 14 (01:22:46):
Him and everybody around him. I don't to be fun
age number one. I agree with Quentin Tarantino. George Clooney
is not an actor. He is a like I don't
know what he is. He's a brand.

Speaker 8 (01:23:00):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Hunter Biden m making his parents proud once again. It's
three hours and twenty minutes. If you want to go
watch it, I don't recommend. Paul Bloxham HSBC on inflation soon.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Oh, no, croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's
Heather d for c Ellen with the Business Hour and
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Speaker 13 (01:23:30):
D Me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Tell you what's going on in the UK. They are
having a look at This is the government having a
look at raising the pension age. It's been announced they're
going to launch a review into it. The current pension
age is sixty six. It's kind of exactly the point
that I've been trying to make about the pension age
of this country, which is you don't touch the pension
age until you deal with welfare and everything else that
we're spending money on unnecessarily. Right, I've just done exactly

(01:24:01):
the same the mistake that I would like us to avoid,
which is they have a tinker with the welfare. But
the welfare situation in the UK is just mind blowing.
You can sit on the doll and earn more than
you can if you do the minimum wage. So they're
doing that, but then at the same time, like and
we still need to save money, let's go after the
pension is not a good idea. Inter Brady will be
with us about ten minutes time, it's twenty four away

(01:24:22):
from seven and Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economist, is with us. Hello, Paul,
good eight, what do you make of our inflation print yesterday?

Speaker 26 (01:24:30):
Well, I think that it was a little bit lower
than the market had expected, which is a positive. So
you know, it's a little bit below where the market
was fearful and a touch above where the RBNZ was forecasting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
I think it still leaves.

Speaker 26 (01:24:42):
The door open for the rbn Z to deliver a
little bit more easy and cut their policy rate.

Speaker 24 (01:24:47):
And that's our central case.

Speaker 26 (01:24:48):
We think at their next meeting they're likely to be
able to convince themselves that inflation still contained enough to
allow them to lower interest rates a bit further. But
I mean, we've got to keep in mind also it
has picked up a little bit. It's, you know, sitting
at T two point seven, it's up a little bit
from the low point it had reached and so on.
So we think they'll cut again, but we don't think
there's going to be a lot more cuts to come.
I mean, we think the ARBENZ is getting nearer to

(01:25:09):
the end of its easing phase.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
See John Key, former Prime minister over the weekend called
for one hundred basis points and cuts. What do you
think of that?

Speaker 26 (01:25:18):
Well, I think the inflation being still above the midpoint
of the target band and actually picking up a little
bit recently means that we need to be careful about
how much more easing is delivered.

Speaker 24 (01:25:28):
I think, you know, I think you'd.

Speaker 26 (01:25:29):
Want to say, well, the Arbenza targets one through three percent,
they target try to get a two percent and two
percent inflation consistently, and they're sitting at two point seven,
so it's not convincing. I don't think that they should
be delivering a lot more easy rapidly. I think the
growth story is a little bit more nuanced at the moment.
Some of the timely indicators have weakened a bit, but

(01:25:50):
we're I mean, we're still of the view actually that
New Zealand's got positives and factors that are going to
lift growth.

Speaker 24 (01:25:55):
One of them is the fact that they've already cut
interest rates by two hundred.

Speaker 26 (01:25:58):
And twenty five bases points, and the other one is
the dairy prices are high and that's boosting agricultural incomes
and so on, So we think that's going to feed
through to it still a continued lifting growth in New Zealand,
and so I'm not sure the case is strong for
a substantial delivery of lots of cuts from here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
You don't buy the argument that the inflation that we're
seeing at the moment is very much temporary and will
fall back later on there by justifying the cuts.

Speaker 24 (01:26:22):
No.

Speaker 26 (01:26:22):
I think if you look at the components of what's
going on with inflation, you've still got non tradables inflation
that's holding up reasonably well.

Speaker 24 (01:26:28):
So the domestic part of inflation that's holding up reasonably well.

Speaker 26 (01:26:32):
And although you know that the pickup you saw in
the actual print for the quarter was mostly about food prices,
so that might prove to be temporary, I think you'd
still be a bit cautious about whether you'd be convinced
that inflation was going to continue.

Speaker 24 (01:26:44):
To fall towards towards two percent.

Speaker 26 (01:26:47):
I think the other thing is this is not the
only survey that you can look at. You can look
at the measures of inflation expectations, the surveys where they
ask people what they think inflation is going to be
in the future, and those have all started to pick
up a little bit as well. So I think there's
enough indications to suggest that inflation's not back at the
target quite yet. It's still in the upper part of

(01:27:08):
the target band, and it would, I think, mean that
you have to be cautious about how much more monetary is.

Speaker 24 (01:27:13):
And you deliver, or at least how quickly you deliver it.

Speaker 26 (01:27:16):
So I think they're going to get over the line
for another cut, but I think taking it a bit
more carefully and a bit more slowly at this point
is important because inflation is not is in the upper
part of the target band.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Fairpoint. Now to the RBA. We were a little bit
surprised when it held the rates a couple of weeks ago,
but now we've got the meeting minutes and it's shit
a little bit more light.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
This comes down to the employment rate, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
That's right?

Speaker 26 (01:27:37):
So I mean, I think the RBA on the day
even they was a surprise for the market. But they said,
and the Governor had said at the time that it's
about timing rather than direction. I she was saying the
board wasn't quite convinced that they should deliver a rate
cut at that point in July, but they still expect
that they'll be lowering interest rates further. And I think
the minutes again just give a bit more clarity around

(01:27:59):
that was the discussions had. It's not that they don't
think that they need to do a bit more easy,
it's just that they want to take a cautious approach
to delivering that that easing. And I think the other
thing to keep in mind is since then, we've had
labor market numbers that were softer, that were weaker, the
unemployment rate actually rose.

Speaker 24 (01:28:14):
So I think we're likely to see as well that the.

Speaker 26 (01:28:17):
RBA probably will probably deliver another rate cut come August
as a part of their cautious approach to delivering easing
for the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Paul, I have a text question for you, says herether,
could you please ask Paul Bloxham with the New Zealand
we'll ever get the rock star economy back.

Speaker 24 (01:28:32):
That's a great question. And look, I would hope like
I hope, so, I mean, of course it is.

Speaker 26 (01:28:37):
I mean it would be great if New Zealand could
return to that former glory that we described. I described
it back in twenty Fourteen's is over ten years ago
now that you could get there.

Speaker 24 (01:28:46):
And I think the main things, you know, you need
to look for. Yes, the dairy story was really.

Speaker 26 (01:28:50):
Strong back then and that was that's one that's turned
more positive more recently. That the migration story was strong
as well, and that's something.

Speaker 24 (01:28:57):
You need to look at as well.

Speaker 26 (01:28:58):
But more importantly, I guess you need to look at
the reform agenda and making sure that you can attract
more foreign investment.

Speaker 24 (01:29:04):
And I think that's what policy makers asked.

Speaker 26 (01:29:06):
I think to look more, you know, taking a stronger
approach towards and if that starts to deliver, it could
really lift New Zealand's growth prospects.

Speaker 24 (01:29:15):
We're very optimistic.

Speaker 26 (01:29:15):
I think I've said this to you before that you know,
we are at the top of consensus in terms of
thinking about New Zealand's growth for this year, and.

Speaker 24 (01:29:23):
We think growth is likely to be in an upswing.
Will it be a rock star? Well, we'll just have
to see.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
He is hoping. Paul. Thanks very much as always, Paul
Bloxham AGSPC Chief Economist, nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
Ever do for c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Stephen Colbert has taken the canceling of his late show
very hard. He's even He's taken Donald Trump gloating about
it even harder. If you could imagine he's clearly thinking
he's got nothing to lose anymore, because on today's show
he just just went for him.

Speaker 14 (01:29:54):
I can finally speak unvarnished truth to power and say
what I really think about Donald Trump, starting right now,
got yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
So if he wanted to dispel the conspiracy theory that
Donald Trump was actually the reason that his show got
canceled as retribution not really helping it, is he because
now you wonder, oh, maybe he's so cross because in
fact Donald Trump was involved. Whether or not Donald Trump
was involved largely becomes irrelevant now really to the vibes

(01:30:25):
overtake the facts, if you know what I'm saying. Now,
Fletcher Building, we've barely even talked about this, and that's
a bit of a crime. Actually, Fletcherbuilding Shares have taken
a bit of a slide today on the news that
it might sell its construction division. Now you will have
caught this news. They're not saying who the potential buyers
might be, but they have, they say, had a fair
amount of inbound what they call inbound interest in the
construction division. So they've decided to appoint financial advisors to

(01:30:48):
have a look at how you would divest the various
businesses they've got there if you were to. The shares
started the day at three dollars and nine cents. They
had a bit of a surge and then they fell
back mid afternoon to about three dollars and five cents,
So people initially thought, oh yes, and then maybe not
so much. Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and who
there's insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future,
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Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Ah the White House speaking of Donald Trump. Just before
the White House has banned the Wall Street Journal from
the press pool when Trump goes to Scotland. Not allowed
to come. And that's because the Wall Street Journal published
the article that said that Donald Trump had sent Jeffrey
Epstein that Lewde birthday note twenty years ago, and he's
not letting that one go. Fourteen away from seven and
end of Brady UK correspondens with us, Hello, Enda.

Speaker 9 (01:31:40):
Hey, Heather, how are you am well?

Speaker 21 (01:31:41):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
So what do you make of the UK reviewing the
pension age?

Speaker 9 (01:31:45):
Well, they do this every six years and I think
a lot of people will be watching this and just
thinking can they push it back any further. So we
now at the moment in the UK you get the
state pension at the age of sixty six that you've
paid into all your working life. In twenty twenty eight,
it's already set in stone. It's moving to sixty seven

(01:32:05):
for a man, so you have to be sixty seven
in twenty twenty eight, and they already have a plan
to push it back to sixty eight by the year
twenty forty six. Now all eyes have been focused on
this recently because Denmark have just pushed a pension age
back to seventy. Believe it or not, Denmark are really
kind of leading the way in Europe. Basically, government's wanting

(01:32:27):
you to work forever. And I mean when you look
at what the French do and what the Greeks do,
you'd be very kind of angry if you were a
working man or woman in Denmark having to go all
the way to seventy. So what the UK is doing,
they're just kind of trying to focus people's minds. One
statistic just to give you on this, three million self
employed people in the UK are not saving into a pension.

(01:32:50):
I don't know what they think they're going to live
on when they eventually retire.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yeah, is this going to be like, are you people
going to get upset about it? Or actually have you
got so used to this thing being pushed out you're
sort of take it in your stride.

Speaker 9 (01:33:01):
I think people in the UK take it in their stride.
It's the same people as far as I can see,
paying for everything all the time, and they never seem
to snap back. They never seem to have any radical change.
There aren't any protests on the street about it. Just
kind of suck it up and keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Now, what is going on with the disabled people suddenly
finding that they can.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
Walk at Oasis gigs? This is truly a miracle, the
miracle of Manchester. Lim and Noel Gallaher of Oasis fame.
They are back together, two brothers of Irish descent who
famously don't like each other. I heard on the grapevine
last week. They're staying in different hotels so that minimizes
the chances of a fallout on this massive world tour.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
Would you believe it?

Speaker 9 (01:33:44):
Story in the papers here this morning, pictures of row
after row of people in the disabled seating area at
Heaton Park at the weekend in Manchester, and when Lim
and Noel and the other Oasis band members came on stage,
all these people stood up and walked and danced and clapped.

(01:34:04):
So you've got able bodied people who've tried to gain
the system to get an Oasis ticket, who have fraudulently
basically gone online and bought wheelchair tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
They should be ashamed of themselves totally. Now have you
looked at whether you're going to be stung with these
water bills? Into the tune of Hammach, yes we will.
So they've already gone up in the last five years
by thirty eight percent. And I live in an area
which is supplied with water by a company called Thames
Water and they are one of the worst defenders for pollution.

(01:34:36):
And what we're being told now big review of water
in the UK. They're getting rid of the regulator. They're
going to have a new tougher regulator and our water
bills will be climbing year on year for the next
decade to actually clean up the mess. And if I
was the Prime Minister, I would be taking bonuses back
off all these fat cat chief executives of water companies.

(01:34:57):
They have paid themselves every year in bonus millions of
millions of dollars. And Heather, if you came to visit
me in Oxfordshire and you suggested we go for a
swim in the River Thames, I couldn't in good faith
allow you to set foot in the water in the
River Thames because you would end up in hospital with cryptosporidium.
That is how bad the water is in our area.

(01:35:19):
It is disgusting. Okay, well, thanks for the thanks for
the warning and I appreciate that. Into Brady UK corresponded.
By the way, speaking of Oasis, I've also got involved
in the cold Play kiss cam couple thing.

Speaker 8 (01:35:31):
Do we have any love birds in the house. Don't worry,
we're guying in that cold place. Stiley ham a ship
because it was who are ingling with?

Speaker 27 (01:35:42):
Tingling with fingering with a half a business, but this
one's been a love birds anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
So if you want to have an affair out in public,
go to the way Oasis concert absolutely fine. Ten away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBI.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Oh happy days. I suppose Madison Ashton is back. You
know who I'm talking about, Madison, She with the lips,
Polky's hooker. She wants to give evidence at the inquest
into Pauline Hannah's death. She's let this be known, which
is an interesting turn of events given that she didn't
turn up to the actual thing that really matted, which
of course was the trial. But now she wants to
come along to the coronial inquest, so I suppose we'll

(01:36:29):
take what we can get from her. Her name has
been suppressed up to now. That has now been lifted,
which is why it's being reported. However, the evidence that
she is expected to give remains suppressed. Quite why I
don't know, but we're getting used to gag orders on
the show, aren't we. Now here's an interesting thing. If
you are an optimist, or actually even if you're not
an optimist, I find this fascinating. Apparently optimist's brains all

(01:36:52):
work exactly the same. Everybody. You'll have somebody in your
life who is an optimist, right, I've got a couple
of optimists in my life, and they stand out for
being sunny of all, you know, all the time over
any subject. So what's happened as researchers have found that
people with a naturally sunny disposition, when they're asked to
think about the future and future events like getting married,
or traveling the world, or getting a new job, or

(01:37:14):
having a baby, their brain has a little activity that's
exactly the same for all of them for all of
these events. They got eighty seven people, the researchers, and
they chuck them into and then first of all, they
measured where they were optimists or nots, and they could
tell which was which, put all of them through an
MRI brain scan, and then ask them to imagine various
different possible future life events. And what they found is

(01:37:35):
that if you were naturally a pessimist or just a whatever,
like a normal person, then your brain when you're asked
to do this, it fires in like everybody's brains is
firing in different ways completely. My brain fires like that,
Laura's brain fires like that, answers brain fires like that. Whatever,
They're all different.

Speaker 28 (01:37:51):
We are all pessimists. We're working in a media and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Not hard out. It's hard not to be when your
businesses sell for a dollar. But the optimists who are
working in I don't know. Let's say the Reserve Bank
because they're getting heaps of leave and stuff. Always optimistic.
Those people, their brains work in exactly the same way
every time, every time they're are and and the researchers
are slightly baffled by this, not entirely sure why. They
think that it's because when you are slightly negative about

(01:38:15):
a situation, there are a thousand different ways to be negative,
aren't there but any number of things that you're worried about.
But when you're optimistic, you're just just constantly happy. And
they think it's because it can look it's it's a
long winded explanation. They don't really know why. They think
it conforms to social norms or some stuff. Anyway, They
like to quote this, which I think is a very
good quote to explain this. This is anaka and Ina

(01:38:35):
of Leo Tolstoy. Happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family, though,
is unhappy in its own way. There you go, did
you like that?

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
Ass?

Speaker 28 (01:38:44):
I just love the I would love to know how
they did the test to work out if you'ren optimist
or a pessivist, because I bet it's just they just
ask you how your day's going. Maybe they oh, lovely.
I mean it's not that cold. And then you know
someone like me, I'm like, oh, well, wouldn't your.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Tests be simple as simple as this? Hey, New Zealand,
we're building you a white cuttle medical school and you, guys,
optim how much is it going to cost?

Speaker 8 (01:39:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Is it going to buy it cheaper?

Speaker 6 (01:39:08):
Now?

Speaker 28 (01:39:08):
I don't trust this?

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
And then then they ask you you stoked about it? Optimist?
Bill quickly Stephen Joyce to me and Brown.

Speaker 28 (01:39:15):
Well, you were talking about optimist in the Reserve Bank
as well. I think it's probably fair to say that
Adrian All was very optimistic about a lot of things
over the towards the tail end of his teeny bit
Bad Habits By. It's Sharon to play us out tonight.
It's Sharon is big news just out this hour. It's
Sharon is bringing his Loop tour to Auckland, Wellington and
christ Church. I think that's his first show there for
like eleven years. January next year.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
So hey, hey, you've missed the headline. Where's he playing in?
I mean, Wellington gets a concert?

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
This is unusual show.

Speaker 28 (01:39:41):
True, Wellington gets one at sky Stadium, christ Church. Takaha
won't be open and so they stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Are they playing at Skots? Is he playing at sky Stadium?
When was the last time they had a gig at
sky Stadium?

Speaker 28 (01:39:50):
I remember seeing a new story about about how long
it's been since they had one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Yep, it's a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:39:55):
And christ Church, like I said, to the new stadium
that's not open to April. So he's going to be
performing at Apollo Project Stadium, the existing stadium to kind
of give it a swan song, and then an Auckland
Go Media Stadium, Mount Smart on the sixteenth of January.
If you want tickets to one of those shows, they're
on sale at from one pm next Tuesday, July twenty ninth,
put it in mckelendar.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Now see you next Tuesday, and then see you tomorrow
as well. Enjoy your evening swimming the sub.

Speaker 10 (01:40:18):
Be the last bird.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
It probably won't. I cannot have to loot, oh you,
I'll do my bed harvestly to I.

Speaker 27 (01:40:27):
Saxta can control the things s can't scoop that happens
after two.

Speaker 26 (01:40:39):
It's true.

Speaker 8 (01:40:40):
It's true. My bad you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Harvest you, My bad harvest you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
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