Full Show Podcast: 22 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.
Bryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News dogs V.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Good afternoon at seven after four. I'm Ryan and for
Heather this week. Great to have your company on the
show this afternoon. Erica Stanford on the new cash for classrooms.
We have got everyone recognizing Palestine. We're in the UK
Finance Minister Nicola Willis after six and is bye bye
to the dirty imported Indonesian Cole Huntley is going to
buy local.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
So fast Track's got a problem. And you may have
noticed this, it's not fast enough. Eight months in only
wait for it, two projects have been approved, not even started,
just approved. The mining in Tartanaki is still with the
sea word consultation aka delayed, and word is that every
man and his dog is lining up to have their say,
including Mount Tartanaki. Literally quite how you ask a mountain?

(01:02):
It's thought some feelings is beyond me. But are we
even surprised about this at this point? Shane Zones is
mythed He says the EPA, which is looking into all
of this stuff, has apparently hired a former forest and
bird lawyer to do that. Good luck everybody, All this
while we got eight hundred million bucks worth of minerals
just sitting there under the ocean. Now, all of this

(01:22):
could have been avoided if the government didn't cave to
the media and the legal scholars and the green mafia
and just give the politicians all the power in the
world to override whatever they want. So the delays and
the consultation are actually by design. In Auckland, you've got
Eden Park. Eden Park, they tell us, is choking under regulation.

(01:46):
So why not use your new RMA superpowers to unshackle it?
I ask, well, you can't. Why you have to consult first?
Why because again the government specifically designed the lord change
this way so that they would have to the windmills
they want to put it in South Tartanaki. One local
Hapuo is taking their opposition to this to the United Nations.

(02:13):
You can see the problem here, can't you. This country
is its own worst enemy. We bitch and moan about
the GDP number last week, we freak out about the
manufacturing jobs disappearing, and rightly so. But as soon as
it's time to do something about it, to create something
new and industry or a mine, we oppose it. We
slow it down, we delay. So either we accept that

(02:37):
you can't have everything for nothing, and that creating new
jobs and growth will cost us something, but it's worth it,
or we accept that actually we're poor and happy to
stay that way.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Brian Bridge collor Josh lay Since last week, just like
we always talked about, you're so excite.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
The numbers text would love your feedback. This afternoon, just
gone nine after four. If all goes to plan, you
could be using a digital driver's license by the end
of the year, no more physical license and this would
be stored on a government app. Digital Services Minister Judicon
says quote. The main thing is to not stuff it
all up. Paul Spain's the CEO of Grilla Tech with
me this afternoon. Paul good, are you Ryan? Good to

(03:25):
have you on the show. How hard is this? What
is there to stuff up?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, there's losing losing our valuable data. I think you know,
most people would like their information kept private and not
not leaked all over the web. You know, I think
we want something that is as well well built and
as robust when when it launches.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's that's really important.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
It seems like they're trying to speed this along, and
you know that that could mean we end up with issues.
And yeah, as we know, governments and businesses are not
always very good at protecting our confidential data. So these
things need to be done in a really, really well
structured manner.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
They've done this in New South Wales apparently very successfully,
and not just for the licenses but other products government
products as well. Is there are there places where they've
done this in an app and it's not been secure. Well.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
I think what we've seen from governments all around the
world is the more data they collect, the more data
that they end up losing and leaking. So in the US,
for instance, they set up a database I think this
was at the border for people sort of crossing between
the US and Mexico with license plate information and you

(04:49):
know whose license plates related to her and so on.
That was done maybe at pace as well. They used
an external firm outside of government to do it, and
then it came out that all of this data that
was in there ended up being able to be accessed
by parties who shouldn't have had access to the data,

(05:10):
and we've seen that all around the world, you know,
including New Zealand, where government doesn't always do a great
job of keeping data that should be private private.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Paul, on that basis, will you keep your physical license
if you get the option.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Look, I'm always a big proponent for leveraging technology where
we can, so I'll be having a look at it,
probably pretty pretty carefully.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Get my head around it.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Reality is probably all of our driver's license data is
already you know, well, it is already in a database
that the government holds. It's going to be how different
is this approach and trying to weigh up the risks.
I think there'll be a lot of convenience factors of
being able to have our driver's license on our phone, So,
you know, I would say a lot of Us'll probably

(06:00):
move along in that direction pretty swiftly.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Paul, appreciate your time. Paul Spain's CEO at Guerrilla Tech.
It is twelve minutes after four ranhox B would like
your feedback on that. Nine two nine two Ryan, So,
under the proposed changes with the digital licenses, does that
mean I would have to have a phone if I
want to drive?

Speaker 6 (06:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
You would still have the option. You would always have
the option, as I understand it, to have a physical license, Ryan,
I have my driving license on my phone fifteen years
ago when living in Australia. Well, aren't they just so
much more advanced than us? I personally have problems trusting government,
just generally, but especially with personal information. Do you know

(06:38):
I've been applying for Donas White long story, but applying
for rental properties recently, and you have to supply has
anyone experienced this or tried to do this recently? When
you're applying, you've got to Let's say you want to
apply to one with Ray White and another one's with
Barfoot and Thompson. You have to sign up to each

(06:59):
of these companies apps, put all of your personal information
in there, you know, show them a photo of you naked,
give them your address, give them your full name, give
them your date of birth, everything they ask and you know,
even a copy of your ID, stuff like that. You've
got to sign up for that first just to apply
for the property. You don't even have the property yet,

(07:19):
just to apply for the property, and then who knows
what they're doing with that information? And how many times
do you have to do that for how many different
companies think about all the information that would be about
you that would be out there right now with people
that you probably don't trust, you know. Nine two ninety
two is the number to text for checking on Sport.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Next, it's the Heather dupis Al and Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
News TALKSB seventeen minutes after four, all very well to
say that you're going to recognize Palestine. The Aussies have
done it, the Brits have done it, the Canadians have
done it, and they've all done it in a concerted effort.
But what are you actually recognizing who's in charge? They're
talking about bilateral relations You can't go through the UN
because the Americans block it. You need a Security Council

(08:14):
mandate for that. They don't have it. So you're talking
about a bilateral relationship between Palestine, whatever that is, and
your country. Who are you recognizing? We've got an expert
on that question. After five, Good.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Sport with TB Malz's Fast, Easy and more codes are
eighteen bit Responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Jason Pine with us Jason Good Afternoon, Get I right Hey,
Liam Lawson, So started third finished fifth.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Good, yeah, good, really good. It seems as though you've
dropped grid position at the check and flag. But the
Mercedes who went past on the two Mercedes of Russell
and Antonelli are faster cars. And then for Liam Lawson
to defend fifth place against Yukus Sonodolando Norris, Lewis, Hamilton,
charl Leclair and others who were closing in behind him
to defend fifth place. As I understand done a bit

(09:00):
of reading on this from people much more versed in
motorsport than I am, this is a really significant achievement
for Liam Lawson. He also outperformed his teammate Isaac Hadja
and the other racing Balls car, which is always important,
and he's just by the looks of it, starting to
get the hang of this. You know, it's an upward
trajectory for Liam. He's picking up points on a consistent
basis and you know it's the dumping from red Ball

(09:23):
after two races right at the start of this year
seems like a bit of a distant memory now. So yeah, know,
well done to Liam. His best ever Formula One finish
and let's hope that he can continue to improve from here.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Absolutely and this best ever medal hall for US at
the World Athletic Champs. I mean fantastic to watch, fantastic result.
Is it too early to say this means good things
for LA? I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
No.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
I mean LA does seem an awfully long way away
and is twenty twenty eight. But you think, Okay, Hamish
Khurr is going to be there, Jordy Beamis, who won
gold in the three thousand steeples, is going to be there.
And then you look at our pole vaulters. Eliza McCartney
may be touching go, but Olivia McTaggart and Emma Jennius,
who both made.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
The final, will be there.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Tory moreby seventh in the world, and the women's javelin
she'll be there, and others as well as Zoey Hobbs,
let's not forget her twelve fastest in the world. I
know these are off the podium, Ryan, but you know
we're three years to go and three years of development
for these athletes. Who knows what LA might bring. Got
the Commonwealth Games next year, of course, then another World
Champs before the Olympics, so some nice little milestones along

(10:21):
the way.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Brilliant stuff. Jason, Thank you, Jason Pines, forts talk host
seven o'clock tonight News TALKSBB. It's nineteen after four. You
know the big who haw that was going on at
Stockton Mine in the South Island, big protest. Those weird
people that spent twenty three days in the cold buckets
an update on the story. I'll have it for you next.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on
hither dupless Ellen dre with one New Zealand coverage Like
no one else's News Talks, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Four twenty two. Ryan. The digital license thing year Nah,
says Graham, seems like a solution to a non existent problem. Actually,
lots of people are saying that, Ryan, can you not
just take a photo of your license on your phone
and use that? I sort of I agree. I don't
think the police would accept that if you held up
a photo of your license and said, here you go, officer,

(11:12):
I am who I say who I say I am.
But I don't think it would work. You know, I
don't think it would work for anything legitimate. Maybe if
you're applying for, as I said earlier, rental property or something,
that'd be fine, But for anything official, maybe not. I

(11:32):
think the idea is that they would have an app.
This is just step one, and the app would allow
you to do a whole bunch of stuff with governments,
so there'd be other benefits to it. Hey, very quickly,
I want to run you through. This is from the
Nutbars and the Luney Bin story file. You'll remember the
protesters at the Stockton mine. Illegal occupation of the coal buckets,

(11:52):
right and the coal but it was dangerous that they
were up there. This is what the mind said. Well,
this is what you know police said as well. You
had that sort of old couple of old people who
were covered themselves ironically in plastic. They had cell phones,
they had plastic harnesses and all sorts of stuff, which

(12:12):
is just dripping an irony anyway, dangerously up there in
the coal buckets dangling in the air for twenty three days.
Apparently they threw their own because you wonder whether they
go number ones and number two is apparently they just
threw that over the side for twenty three days. So
pollution cross number one. Cross number two was that instead

(12:33):
of using the buckets, the coal mine had to use
trucks powered by diesel to move the coal So cross
number two, you've actually increased carbon emissions. Cross number three
was when they got helicopters come and check on them
all right, three crosses already. Now we've got an update
today the coal mine. The work is at the mine.

(12:54):
They just wanted to get rid of these guys, right,
and they were apparently using a few untoward or riskue
practices to do this, try and scare them off, including
a bird scarer, which basically sounds like a shotgun. So
they had the bird scarer. And now we've got a sound. Actually,
in case you were wondering, he a listen, sounds like that,

(13:18):
sounds like a gun. Now Doc is investigating these workers
because of the sirens and the sounds that might have
scared Kigwi on conservation land during mating season. I mean,
can you just story just won't stop, and in my mind,
don't go after the workers, go after the protesters who

(13:40):
were there in the first place, disturbing them. Three strikes,
four strikes, five strokes. Gosh, the story just keeps going
on and on. Anyway, I'm on the side of those
workers rather than the protesters. Twenty five after four, Bryan Bridge,
we're going to hear from Erica Stamford after five o'clock.
Because the governments, you could argue changing tack they've seared. Obviously,

(14:01):
we've cut money from things like housing and coying order
and construction is obviously going backwards, right, one point eight
percent in the last quarter, nearly ten percent over the
last year. And today the government's come out and said
we're going to put a bit more money into classrooms.
Here's the PM trip.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
Last week, after six months of a growing economy, received
the news that growth went backwards in the second quarter
of this year, the months from the start of April
to the end of June. Although heavier than we would
have liked, the fall was not unexpected because uncertainty around
the impact of US tariffs had a significant impact on
a small trading nation like ourselves. All of that being said,
we're a government though, that listens, and where we can

(14:40):
help accelerate economic growth further, we always will. Today we're
announcing a four hundred and thirteen million dollar investment package
that will bring forward a significant volume of maintenance work
on school property to help boost the construction sector. This
will mean more work for tradees, more work for electricians
and plumbers and many more workers around the country. And

(15:01):
with that, I'll let Erica talk you through the details
of the announcement.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
All right, we'll get to Erica after five o'clock. My
question would be, is this too little, too late? I mean,
if you had the money, some of it's new money,
If you had the money, you want to accelerate it.
Why didn't you accelerate it and try and help a
couple of months back? You know, it's not like construction
wasn't struggling. Then nine two the numbers text Erica Stamford
after five, the Palestine question after five, and after news

(15:26):
at fall thirty, we'll head to our Ossie correspondent on
why they recognized in the last twenty four hours. News
Talk said B.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Whatever, today's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge on
hither dupilusy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile News Talk SIBB.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Good afternoon, five minutes away from five year on news Talk,
said B. Coming up after five, we'll look at Palestine
and we'll look at Erica Stamford on the new cash
for classrooms. KI we bank this afternoon. It's predictable, but
they are now calling for and predicting more cuts to
the OCR we now expect. They say, fifty basis points.
This is October, You'll get fifty basis points, followed by

(16:19):
twenty five in November, a cash rate ending the year
at two point twenty five. They even say go as
far as saying, and I think for all from my reading,
they're the first to go this far, there's a fifty
to fifty chance of getting to two percent by February
two percent for an OCR. I obviously the economy took

(16:40):
a big hit in quarter two. We all know why
that happened. But I also think you need to be
aware of overreacting again. You know that's what Adrian all did, right.
We went too high, too fast, up the Mount Everest
of rate hikes after printing too hard and too much,

(17:01):
and then screwing the poach twice in different ways, all
of us on the advice by the way of so
called experts and economists. And you know you had advice
from the rbn Z, you had advice from the media,
you had the pundits. I don't know. I just think
you need to be careful how far one way or
the other you go At least we end up in

(17:22):
the very same situation that we are right now, twenty
four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's the world wires on news dogs.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
He'd drive marathon commemorations ceremony for Charlie Kirk in the
US eight hours minus the music. That's five hours of speeches.
Here's his wife, Erica on the cross.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
Our receivir said, Father, forgive them for they not know
what they do.

Speaker 10 (17:46):
That man, that young man, I forgive him.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Trump happy with the crowd size, and it's rare.

Speaker 11 (17:55):
That such a thing happens. But Charlie is bigger today
than he was. Think about it just two weeks ago.
He's bigger today than he was two weeks ago now,
and I just.

Speaker 12 (18:06):
Want to say we love him.

Speaker 13 (18:08):
And he's looking down at us right now and he said, wow,
that's a great crowd.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
South Korea's president wants Trump to chat to his old
mate Kim Jong on and convince him to give up
the nukes.

Speaker 9 (18:20):
Pepa Ideally, we wonder a creator the nuclear ice. So
the question is whether he possessed with fruitless attempts to
achieve our ultimate goal of denuclearization before we somewhere realistic galls.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Of course he's not going to give that up. It's
his only card to play. Finally, one for leopard sharks,
it takes more than two to tango. Apparently, for the
first time ever, leopard sharks have been caught on camera
engaging in a little minachetoire, the whole event apparently taking
one hundred and ten seconds, which sounds about right afterwards

(18:59):
the male shark, because I was wondering the six it
says here the male sharks, so presumably two male, one
female needed a rest on the ocean floor.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Twenty two away from five OLI Pedison six pr PERS
Live presenter with us OLI. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan.
So what's the justification for Australian recognizing Palestine's statehood?

Speaker 14 (19:26):
Well, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi believes that this will
send a message to Palestine. That's obviously Australia believes that
we can have peace in the Middle East on the proviso,
of course, that all the hostages returned to Israel. The PM,
obviously there at the United Nations hoping to catch up
with Donald Trump, says a recognition of Palestine is a

(19:47):
step forward towards Israelis and Palestinians living side by side
in peace and security and advancing the prosperity of both peoples.
I highly doubt that, with all due respect to the
Prime Minister of Australia, that anybody in Israel or Palestine
is going to take too much notice of his hopes
and desires for peace in the Middle East. But look,
it is just fascinating at the moments when the Prime

(20:10):
Minister has failed in his negotiations with both Vanawatu and
Pappia New Guinea. He's in New York, as I said,
for the United Nations Assembly. He's hoping to catch up
with Donald Trump. He doesn't have a meeting scheduled with
the US presidents, and he has a lot of demands
which have come through from the Republicans. He may have
seen this over the weekend Ryan where a number of
Republicans have co signed a letter basically saying if Australia

(20:33):
were to recognize a Palestinian state, which is what we
have done, then the orcust Agreement should be scrapped. Is
effectively what they are threatening, and that there would be
consequences for the relationship between Australia and the United States,
the fact that the PM has not been able to
get the ear or confirm that he will get the
ear of the US President with how important Orcus is
for Australia right now, and he's never actually had a

(20:54):
face to face conversation with Donald Trump. G I would
hate to be him right now without secure during that
meeting over the next couple of days, because we have
got a lot of questions being asked in this country
today about what exactly our foreign policy is.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, what's the in game for Australia now? The optus,
the Triple zero outage, the fallout from this, is the
CEO going to survive? You reckon?

Speaker 12 (21:17):
Probably not.

Speaker 14 (21:18):
Stephen Rue has really handled this appallingly on a number
of fronts, not just the fact that we've had four
people die as a result of the outage of the
Triple zero telephone number. He did it at about six
o'clock Eastern Standard Time on Friday, so you know, Ryan
and our listeners would know that you take out the
trash on a Friday, try and bury a story that

(21:39):
it might not get as much coverage. He has done
this as the National News Services on the East Coast
are going to air. This continues to Biden. It has
all over the weekend, it does again today. But not
just the fact that the timing of the announcement was poor.
Nobody had opted had actually informed anybody within the government,
either the federal govern or the State government of Australia.

(22:02):
So when Stephen Rude made this statement on Friday afternoon
in front of the cameras, that was the first time
that the Federal Communications Minister, Annika Wells found out about this.

Speaker 12 (22:12):
So look, Stephen, who's only been in the job for
about a year.

Speaker 14 (22:14):
Optice has gone from controversy to controversy after the data
hack and now this he came from the National Broadband Network.

Speaker 12 (22:21):
He has been asked about his future, saying it's not
about me.

Speaker 14 (22:23):
It is about the lives that have been lost and
we need to get to the bottom of what actually happened.
The Prime Minister, though, has said that he be surprised
if the boss wasn't considering his future.

Speaker 12 (22:33):
So I don't see how Stephen rue survives this.

Speaker 14 (22:36):
But a terrible example of public relations and communications. When
they're in that business, Ryan, they're a telco, they're in
the communications business.

Speaker 12 (22:45):
And I kind of get the communications right.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
No, exactly, Olive very quickly before you go. There's stopping
e bikes from going on trains in New South Wales
because of a fire risk. Is this any old e
bike e bikes that have been modified by people?

Speaker 12 (22:58):
Well that's the.

Speaker 14 (22:59):
Fine print they wanted the all, but it's going to
be the e bikes that have be modified. Or if
you've got a normal pedal bike and you put a
little motor on it, that won't be allowed on You
can get a fine of eleven hundred bucks if you
are caught bringing one of these under the trains. But
don't be surprised if the e bikes will also be
banned soon from trains. Imagine being a train guard. All
the things you look at for now damn e bike.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, and you've got to figure out who's modified, who's
GI wired them or who's Yeah, it sounds like a nightmere. Thanks,
Olli Peterson, our Aussie correspondent. Time eteen away from six.
We'll do a quick little French, but we'll do a
quick little India bit starting with India tax cuts coming
from today. Congratulations are Mody is countering Trump and his tariffs?

(23:39):
Remember they got fifty percent, thank you Donald Trump. So
he is mody cutting GST basically over there. So staples
like milk and bread, life medical insurance, life saving drugs,
they will all become tax free. They have massive consumption
taxes over in India. Small cars, televisions, air condition Your

(24:00):
tax will drop from twenty eight percent to eighteen percent.
Hair oil, toilet soap, shampoo all taxed at a marginal
five percent instead of twelve or even eighteen percent for
some of those basic items. So fill your boots. They
reckon it'll boost GDP. And they've got a big festive
holiday coming up where everyone goes out and buys stuff. Anyway,

(24:22):
they're hoping they'll buy twice as much as the tax
comes down. To France, and they've got a big a
problem with debt in France, they have well, they have
many problems, many and many problems in France, chewing through
the prime ministers can't pass a budget. Parliament divided into
thirds left right center. No one can decide on a
budget anyway. No, this is the richest man in Europe.

(24:46):
I think guy who owns Moway and Louis Vuitton founded
a bunch of luxury good companies. He's come out swinging
against a recent idea for a wealth tax, so he
said to be the end of France. He says it
would basically kill the economy. You'd get a two percent
tax on wealth for those worth more than one hundred

(25:07):
million euros. He would have to He estimates he'd have
to pay billion euros based on his net worth. And
this is the problem because there are two different estimates
for how much revenue this tax would pay to fill
the gap left by the extravagant spending of the French state.

(25:28):
He said, either you would get twenty billion euros or
you would get five billion euros. Twenty billion if all
the rich people stayed, five billion if all the rich
people leave, And therein lies your problem. Five to five
newstalks Zaid b will get to politics with Azaria.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Next politics with centric credit. Check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Thirtaty thirteen to five News Talks said, be rhyme with you,
Heather Away this week. Nice to have your company. Bill.
I see your text about the coal mine and Huntley
and how we're going to power it and the fact
we're no longer going to be getting Indonesian coal. I
see your text and we will speak to bt Mining
about all of this. After sex. You can be reached assured. Right,

(26:13):
let's go to Azaria Housingior political reporter of for News Talks.
You be, Azaria, Good.

Speaker 15 (26:17):
Evening, good evening, Good to be with you, Good to
be with you.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Two.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Now, everyone's well, everyone but America recognizing Palestine as a
state and US Winston still pondering.

Speaker 15 (26:27):
Yeah, so that is the big question. Will New Zealand
recognize a Palestinian state? As you say, Foreign Minister Winston
Peters is in New York at the United Nations Leaders
Week that's ahead of the UN General Assembly, and mister
Peters is expected to make New Zealand's position on potential
formal recognition of a Palestinian state clear at that UN meeting.

(26:48):
As you say, in terms of our allies, we're seeing
quite a lot of progress from other countries on this.
British Prime Minister Sir Kiir Starmer has announced his government
does support a state of Palestine.

Speaker 16 (27:00):
Of the growing horror in the Middle East, we are
acting to keep alive the possibility of peace and a
two state solution that means a safe and secure Israel
alongside a viable Palestinian state at the moment, we have neither.

Speaker 15 (27:20):
But arguably even more important for New Zealand is Australia.
They are making the same move and.

Speaker 17 (27:26):
This recognition being announced today in sync with our international partners,
the United Kingdom and Canada, means that three of the
Five Eyes nations are all making this decision today.

Speaker 15 (27:41):
And interesting that he spoke about the Five Eyes countries
there as another Five Eyes country is New Zealand. So
the two Anthony Albanezi, the Ossie Prime Minister referring to
their New Zealand and the United States, the latter very
firm in its support of Israel, and speaking about israel,
It's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, quote, I have a
clear message to those leaders who are recognizing a Palestinian

(28:04):
state after the horrendous October seven massacre. You are rewarding
terror with an enormous prize. It's kind of similar actually
to what act Party leader David Seymour has said in
the past about the matter, which was really that we
should not recognize a country that is holding hostages. But
Seymour got a bit of a telling off from Winston
Peters about those remarks.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
That was a good degreement. That's what he's broken.

Speaker 18 (28:27):
I'm sorry, there's no time for novices.

Speaker 15 (28:30):
And just today, within the past few hours, the Prime
Minister has confirmed he's spoken to act Leader David Seymour
after he gave his take on the matter last week.
Chris Luxon gave us some detail just now into what
that conversation looked like.

Speaker 8 (28:44):
Winston speaking for us on foreign affairs and he's the
one that's leading the our Kevinet through that position. We
want to make sure we've got accountable ministers talking to
their portfolios and it's important everyone respects those lanes.

Speaker 15 (28:53):
And this comes after David Seymour got a bit of
a telling off for writing a letter to the UN
defending the regulatory ste and its bill. But back on
the topic of the Middle East, the Coalition will come
to one agreement on the matter as a government. That's
the expectation. It's also worth noting these countries that have
supported formal recognition are making it absolutely clear that any

(29:14):
future governance arrangement will not include terrorist group humas that
is out of the picture. So yes, New Zealand yet
to confirm and finalize its position on whether or not
it will make that formal recognition. The Prime Minister, though
does say a preliminary decision has been made. Whinston Peters
is expected to speak at the UN between Friday and

(29:35):
Sunday in terms of making a formal statement on behalf
of New Zealand on this matter. All eyes will be
on New York as that takes place.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
All right, Azariah. The more money, bitter, new money and
some accelerations is for school property investment, fixing up the classrooms.

Speaker 15 (29:51):
Yeah, so this is an announcement from today. The Government's
announced it will be accelerating four hundred and thirteen million
dollars of investment into school infrastructure. It's aimed at improving classrooms,
but also has a bit of a silver lining as
well in terms of a bit of another detail giving
more confidence to builders and tradees. It includes two hundred

(30:13):
and fifty five million dollars of improvements on all isolated,
small and rural schools, estimated to be about half of
state schools. However, some of the budge, some of the
funding is from Budget twenty twenty four and is now
being able to be delivered. So while there is fifty
eight million dollars of new funding, about one hundred million
comes from budget twenty four eighty million comes from the

(30:35):
Ministry of Education baseline and one hundred and seventy five
million is brought forward funding. So Minister of Education Ericus
Stanford has made the announcement in Auckland this afternoon with
the Prime Minister and she is promising quote, every single
school will get something.

Speaker 10 (30:52):
Well maintained classrooms are not a luxury, they are a
must have and they are a foundation for a very
strong education system.

Speaker 15 (30:58):
Plus it's also expected to bring much needed boost for
the construction sector.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
There, Zara, appreciate your time, Issarah. How four politics it
is eight minutes away from six from five rather on
news talk sav B. Just a lot of techs coming
in on Gaza and on Palestine and recognizing Palestine as
a state ry. What is the upside to us doing this?
And I tend to agree with that. If it was
going to say the life or end hunger, you would

(31:24):
do it in a heartbeat. But it's not, is it.
I mean, it's not going to do that. And Starmar
in the UK actually only one in ten Brits agreed
with him recognizing Palestine, but he's gone ahead and done
it anyway. Media talks about it a lot. You know,
the priests chained themselves up to Nicholas office wearing nappings.
I mean, for goodness sakes, it's not a vote winner.
It's also not going to change much. Israeli exports zero

(31:47):
point three percent, by the way, So do they care
what we think? Probably not? And is it going to
change the world? No, will we do it? I don't
think so. Seven to five News Talk SeeDB.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
My minister is well as do you feel a bit
and battled given what happened last week?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Well, I don't know where that all came from.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
I mean, I know, I know name from zero point
I came from zero point nine to two growth. But
I think the reality is it's been no doubt about it,
very just got quarter.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
That is a function of just uncertainty.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
Course with those Trump tariffs previous six months we were
growing strongly. We're growing again now we'll grow as stronger
as we go into Christmas.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Just tick this off for me. Will we be hearing
about the Reserve Bank government this week? Will be very shortly? Okay,
and you know who it is? Yes, you were personally
happy with him.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Her Yes, and we'll be transformational for the bank and
so much and we'll have.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
A really good governor.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Rain Drover Newstalk z B four to five News Talk said,
be more bad news for the economy, albeit backwards looking
bad news. So does it really matter anymore? Well, it
did then and it still does. But just so that
you know, it's quarter two. This is the ASB investor
confidence survey fell to its lowest level since COVID, so

(33:00):
not great news. It dropped from nine percent for the
March quarter to just one percent for June. This was
on the back of the Trump tariffs. Of course, housing
market not picking up, which we wanted to, so not
a surprise, but nonetheless concerning. We'll talk to Nikola Willis
about that after six o'clock. After five Palestine and this
money from Erica Stanford for the classrooms, We'll ask how

(33:23):
much is new and when.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story, it's Ryan Bridge.
If I hither dupers Ellen dry with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
News Talk SIDB.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Good eating seven after five you're on news Talk, said be.
We'll get to Erica Stamford on this money for classrooms
in just a second. First, though, what does recognizing Palestine
actually mean? The Brits, the Aussies, the Canadians, they have
all done it. We're mulling the idea. Doctor aas Ktite
is with the Australian National University with me. Good evening,
Good evening. Tell me I've had a read of Pennywong's statement.

(33:59):
What exact or who exactly are they recognizing here?

Speaker 19 (34:04):
Well, the recognition is for a Palestinian state, and this
state is hypothetically, at some point in the future, would
exist on the boundaries of the nineteen sixty seven and
General Resolution to for two, which was which recognized rather
the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip as

(34:27):
occupied territory. So this state is a future Palestinian state
that would exist on these borders. And for the time being,
the recognition is for the Palestinian governance structure, which is
represented by the Palestinian Authority, which would then be treated

(34:47):
as a state again waiting for a future point where
this government would actually turn into a state and have
sovereignty over land and territory, and that l being the
West Bank, the Gaza Strip as well as East Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay, so a lot of water to go under a
lot of different bridges there in order to get to
that point. Given how hypothetical it is, is it just
more symbolic?

Speaker 19 (35:15):
I think the symbolic nature of this is not only
because it's a hypothetical future scenario where facts on the
ground suggest and point the other way, which is total
Israeli control over this area. But the symbolic nature is
related to the context that exists today in these territories

(35:37):
that I just mentioned. In the West Bank, we are
facing and we are witnessing an accelerated rate of displacement
as well as Israeli annexation. East Jerusalem was annexed to
his role in the nineteen eighties. And in the Gaza
Strip we are witnessing what the United Nations and the
world's leading international organizations are describing as a genocide as

(36:01):
well as ethnic cleansing. So this is the context under
which Palestinians live right now, as including Palestinian governance, including
the Palestinian government and the Palestinian governing elites. So the
symbolic nature is really related to this reality rather than
the other points, which is it's not necessarily there. There

(36:23):
isn't currently sovereignty on the ground. It's a hypothetical state.

Speaker 10 (36:26):
And so on.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
All right, interesting stuff, Doctor and Tite with us senior
lecture Arab and Islamic Studies at.

Speaker 10 (36:31):
The A and U.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
It is ten after five. Ryan Bridge Judgment's trying to
get the cash out the door quickly. This is to
help the tradees keep their jobs. They're accelerating funding as
part of a four hundred million dollar fund to fix
up and maintain old multi classrooms which we no need
to be fixed. This comes after, of course, we had
a one point eight percent drop in construction quarter two,
a ten percent drop over the last year. Education Minister

(36:55):
Erica Stanford is with me, Minister, good evening. HELLI hi,
very well, thank you. Why accelerate this funding now? Why
not six twelve months ago when the trades really needed it.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well, we were.

Speaker 10 (37:06):
Already doing a huge amount. This is accelerated. But if
you look at the amount of classrooms we built over
the last year, it's thirty percent more than the year before.
Last year, on the year before that, this year we've
got to build more than we did the year before that,
and I've got eight hundred million dollars of stuff in
the pipeline between now and Christmas. So we were already
doing a huge amount of heavy lifting in education. And

(37:28):
the reason we're able to do that is because we
got our act together, because you remember I turned up
and it was an absolute unmitigated disaster with hundreds of
projects unfunded. Basically, we've got to go act together. We've
got the property report done, We're building classrooms at half
the price, We've accelerated the number of classrooms we're building.
This is just the next step because we're in the
position to be.

Speaker 20 (37:46):
Able to do it.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Okay, you're saying money now, how much money just for
our trades listening? How much money is going to be
available this side of Christmas that wasn't going to be
available before this announcement.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
Well, there's fifty eight million dollars of new money which
is going to be going out the door very quickly.
So school, every single school up and down the country
is going to be getting a fifty percent top up
on the school property maintenance grant.

Speaker 12 (38:10):
So from when school now now, it'll.

Speaker 10 (38:13):
Be available now. Schools usually will do it over the
school holiday, so we're going out to every school. They'll
know now they'll be getting a form that says what
are you going to do with it? Because we're going
to track it, which we haven't done in the past,
but under this government we will What are you going
to do with it? When a you're going to do
it and get we're gonna get money out the door.
So this is for things like painting and washing and
gutters and fact minor fixed up and roofing and bits

(38:36):
and pieces, but it is significant. There'll be some schools
will be getting one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. The
small schools will be getting well more than a fifty
fifty percent uptick. They'll be getting a minimum of five thousand.
So for a very small school, you know, with just
you know, a handful of students, they'll be getting more
than that fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
All right, minister, appreciate your time tonight. Erica Stamford, Education Minister,
times twelve minutes after five.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean you could ask the question why are you
accelerating funding now when you have cut so much funding,
and some would argue hurt the construction industry so badly
with cuts to things like caring or order to house building.
And then only when you see these bad numbers do
you come out and start throwing the money around. Throwing
the cash around. We'll talk to Erica. Sorry, to the

(39:21):
Minister Nichola Willis Finance after six on the program. To
the US, Charlie Kirk's wife, this is Erica, very sad
to see her crying and very upset at the commemoration
for her husband, spoke about today the first time she
saw her husband's body.

Speaker 9 (39:38):
Felt everything you would expect to feel.

Speaker 10 (39:42):
I felt shock, I felt horror and a level of
heartache but I.

Speaker 12 (39:47):
Didn't even know existed.

Speaker 10 (39:49):
But there was something else too, Even in death, I
could see the man that I love.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Jdie Varnce. He was there. He says that Kirk was
a good friend. High praise for his achievements.

Speaker 12 (40:01):
From this desert.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Charlie Kirk built a movement.

Speaker 12 (40:05):
He transformed the face of conservatism.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
In our own time, and in doing so, he changed
the course of American history.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Trump was there alongside Elon Musk, old mate friendem me
Elon Musk. He mentioned Jimmy Kimmel without saying Jimmy Kimmel's name.

Speaker 21 (40:20):
Over the last eleven days, we have heard stories of commentators,
influencers and others in our society who greeted his assassination
with sick approval, excuses or even jubilation.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
You've heard that so have I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 13 (40:37):
You know the names, they're major losers by the way,
they'll be that will be proven out in a short
period of time.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Right, great to see they made a spectacle of that.
It is fourteen minutes after five interesting thing happened. I
don't know if you saw this over the weekend, but
Health New Zealand has done a very unusual thing and
that they've gone on to the employee, to the yeah er,
the employment relations authority and said you fix it. You
know they're dispute with the senior doctors the union, the

(41:08):
reason that our many of our surgeries won't take place
over the next forty eight hours. They've gone to the
hour and said, you've fixed this problem and you can
decide how much they should be paid the union. On
that next news talk said B news Talk said bits
five seventeen high rhyme. This is from being freedom of speech,
isn't freedom of consequences? Good on? Trump? I disagree with

(41:31):
that and completely the left went crazy. That the far
left went too crazy with trying to cancel people, but
you can't then get in power and cancel them back.
Completely undermines arguments you made for not doing it in
the first place. Freedom of speech is for everybody and
no one should be canceled for exercising it. Eighteen after

(41:51):
five senior doctors back on strike tomorrow and Wednesday. Thirteen
thousand operations and appointments will be postponed and extremely rear
moved from Health New Zealand. They've implied applied rather to
the Employment Relations Authority to fix the terms and conditions
of a collective agreement with the doctors. Sarah Dalton's with
the union, the Association of Salary Medical Specialists with me tonight.

(42:15):
Hi Sarah oh Rian, how are you doing very well?
Thank you? What does this mean that it's very unusual?
I think first time the public sector has done it.
What does it mean to go to the ARN ask
for this?

Speaker 22 (42:28):
Ah, Well, we don't know, because, as you point out,
it hasn't happened before. We don't believe that the criteria
for this have been met or are met, so I
guess we'll be interested along with everyone else to see
what happens. I don't know. I think, of course, I think,
but Health New Zealand, you know, if they put as

(42:49):
much time and energy into working on the sums and
thinking about what money they could bring to the table
to settle this as they do on working out how
many patients think they think will be affected by the strike,
been a better place. We got into a real pickle
with them last week in bargaining because they brought some
bigger numbers, but they seemed contradictory, and we asked them
to go away and do some work with the finance

(43:10):
people or their numbers people so that we could be
clear what they were putting on the table. And they couldn't.
They couldn't work it out right.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
So they've gone to the RA. Could this actually be
a good thing for you? I mean, if you look
at some of the decisions that have been made in
cases like this in the private sector, they've gone, well,
let's look around the market at what people are being
paid elsewhere and then fix the rate. I mean, you
could you could get Ossie pay potentially.

Speaker 22 (43:36):
Yeah, Well, wouldn't that be nice? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I doubt that.

Speaker 22 (43:41):
Look, we'll see, we'll see where it gets to. We'll
see how it goes. We don't think on balance it
is the best way forward for our members all the
right thing to do under the legislation. We don't think
they're being realistic, but you know, if we got to
a better place, so be it. We already have some
experience of working with the ER because we've been through
facility in this bargaining and last which ER overseas and

(44:03):
we were not happy with the way the ER Authority
members applied themselves to the task and we didn't find
them to take an independent view.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Does your negotiation continue in the meantime or is it
sort of on hold at the moment? Sarah, Well, we're willing.

Speaker 22 (44:21):
To keep discussions going, but when we got to Thursday
last week, instead, we didn't think we made enough progress
to lift the strike's Health New Zealand packed their bags
and left. We did say we would be willing to
continue discussions Friday over the weekend they declined, But yeah,
we're always willing to resume bargaining.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Sarah Dalton, executive director of the Association of Salary Medical Specialists.
That strikes still going ahead and it'll affect services tomorrow
and Wednesday twenty one, after five year on news Talk
c B. I'll tell you why. I don't think our
government is going to recognize the state of Palestine, not
that one exists.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
That's next for the name you trust to get the
answers you need, it's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
They'd be five.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Twenty three news talks. It'd be. The government keeps telling
us that they're seriously thinking about recognizing Palestine, but I
call b yes, I think they're not really doing that
at all. Winston Peters is not seriously going to do
this for several reasons. One, they're no votes in it.
Most kiwis either disagree or don't know. Slash don't care

(45:32):
about the recognition question, not care about Gaza. They do,
but just on the recognition question. Number two, David Seymour
hates it. And this is a cabinet decision that needs
cabinet sign off. Remember three, the practical problem of who
you're actually recognizing. To probably recognize a state, you need

(45:53):
a leader who's that the Palestinian authority humas I mean,
for goodness sakes. Number four the US won't hate us now.
I don't think this is at all a primary concern
for the government getting offside with the US. It's more
of a convenient byproduct type situation. It is a big
call not to back our mates in the Five eyes, Canada, Australia,

(46:14):
the UK. But there are practical reasons why this recognition
won't happen, and also good reason to think that even
if we did it, it wouldn't be anything other than
performative politics at best anyway.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Brian Bradley, twenty five.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
After five News Talk ZB Tric Shuson, Shustrom, Willis PR
Joseph Bcganney. They'll be on the huddle they can discuss
that and fight amongst themselves after the news at five
point thirty. Did you see the story at the weekend
and made my blood boil, only because around my house
they're putting in cycle ways. Fine, whatever, you know, you
just got it. It's the world we live in. But
they're putting them in and they narrow the road. So

(46:51):
there's an arterial road right which you don't want to
block with cars, and they're putting the cycle lanes and
narrowing the road in a side street. Now what's going
to happen is when people go to turn left into
this side street, little side street, quiet, little residential side street.
People are going to turn left into their The road

(47:12):
is narrowed, so they're going to slow as they turn.
They slow as they turn, The cars behind them slow
as they turn. This is an arterial route. So you
mess with the little roads, you screw with the big ones.
And when you screw with the big runs, then you
grind the city to a halt. So I have big
problems anyway, Milldale, I shan't be moving here. This is

(47:36):
a new development, Greenfield's development north of Auckland. And guy
goes to the Herald twenty two speed bumps on his
drive home. One hundred speed bumps in this new development,
more coming, he says, a speed bump every eighty meters.
His poor wife, he likely works from home two days

(47:56):
a week. I mean what his poor wife goes to
work every day. God help us, and she's over it.
She's had enough. Another resident, who did not want to
be named, least the cycle mafia come after you, I
mean seriously, catches the bus here from Silverdale Park and
you will experience all the speed bumps you need to

(48:17):
put a curve in your spine. So well done, and
you can't even blame Arkland Transport. It's Fulton Hogan apparently
who chose to implement all of the raids raised speed tables.
They are financing the roadworks, so surprise the prize. Yeah,
don't ask a plastic surgeon to but you can do

(48:37):
what you want on my face. You'll come out looking
like cat lady, you know what I mean. Same with
speed bumps twenty seven after five the huddle afternoons on your.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car
on your drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on either duplessy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand hand of power of
satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Twenty five six year old news talk zib. The Huntley
power station normally brought to you by Indonesian dirty Indonesian
coal soon to be wait for it, clean New Zealand
produced coal. So the greenies will be absolutely wrapped with that.
We'll talk to BT Mining which is going to supply
two hundred and forty thousand tons of coal to Huntley

(49:28):
under a new deal that they have signed with Genesis.
That's coming after six o'clock. Also, Nikola willis with us
after six. Is the government changing tac Is it now
saying let's shovel the money out, quick, fast, out the door,
quick as we can, to help grow the economy, to
help save construction. And does that sort of undermine everything
they have told us thus far about economic management? Time

(49:51):
is twenty five away from six, Tritiusen and Josie Bugani
standing by.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
For the huddle graham Bridge.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Last year overseas gamb has bet a whopping two hundred
and twelve million dollars on our domestic men's football league.
I know who knew for two hours every Saturday. New
Zealand is the only country in the world providing live
sport to the Asian gambling market. That should be on
our bumper sticker. Andrew Scott Homan is General counsel for

(50:19):
Professional football Footballers Association. With me tonight, Andrew, good evening,
I'm ailie Ryan, how are you very well? Thank you?
There is some concern this might open our players up
to match fixing. If you heard anything about that?

Speaker 23 (50:34):
Oh yes, this has been a concern that New Zealand
as a country has been aware of. Now for gosh,
well over ten years, and as you say, we unfortunately
present this. Rather I suppose appealing cocktail to match fixers
from Asia in that our time zone allows us to
be the monopoly provider of live products for a couple

(50:54):
of hours every weekend. But also it's the amateur nature
of our competition and our match officials. Our referees don't
get paid for playing, and therefore they can be much
easier to bribe or convince to do the wrong thing.
That's also a problem that we have as a country.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So it sounds like a perfect storm. Do we know
if any players are being approached to do something dodgy?

Speaker 23 (51:19):
Well, mercifully. What we do know is there have been
no reported cases of actual match manipulation, so no one's
actually done the wrong thing today. But yes, we do
have regular reports about approaches being made. Some of them
are quite kind of speculative, that might be what's at
message from someone saying, would you be interested in match fixing?

(51:43):
But others are way more sophisticated and involve people claiming
either that they are agents representing clubs in Asia or
Europe that can offer a player a trial at the
end of the season if they do a favor in return,
So there's a real mixture. We're fortune though that generally
our players report those advances and we've got a really

(52:05):
good partnership between the sports that's New Zealand football, but
also the police. The New Zealand Police are great and
following up on those reports and trying to get to
the bottom of exactly who this might be.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Well, I suppose the ones who report to you haven't
accepted the bribes, but the ones who have accepted the
bribes probably wouldn't, would they.

Speaker 23 (52:23):
That's the danger. And there's another danger as well that
the naivety of some of our players means they may
not even realize that they're being set up. They may
actually think that this person that they're dealing with is
legitimately a coach or an agent for a foreign team
that could be the greatest opportunity of their footballing career. So, yeah,

(52:44):
you're right, it's very difficult to know for certain exactly
what the kind of threat level is in the country.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Andrew, appreciate your time, Andrew Scott Holman Homan rather the
General Council Professional Footballers Association. It is twenty two minutes
away from.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Six the huddle with New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
SU's International Realty Find your one of a kind.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Trisius and Shus and Willis pr and Josie Pegani, CEO
at Child Fund on the huddle tonight, good evening, Hello,
good to have you both here. Tricia's the government changing
its tax, changing its tune on you know, this idea
that the government should actually spend something that it might
grow something as a result.

Speaker 24 (53:21):
It feels to me like the government every sort of
Sunday goes to the fridge and has a look and says, now,
what in here can we reheat? What can we pop
in the microwave and serve up to the electorate.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
To show progress.

Speaker 24 (53:38):
That that is very that's very facetious.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
That's very good. Though.

Speaker 24 (53:43):
I think that they have to be careful that the
electric doesn't tire of this because don't forget for most
people while they all look today and they'll go look,
it's good to see investment in hospitals. It's good to
see investment in schools that's not making any difference in
their hip pocket, and that's where they have been hit
in the last few years. I think that one of

(54:07):
the things around the schools is that we know Erica
Stanford is a minister who actually really gets shit done,
and where governments have struggled is that people lose confidence
because they don't get the delivery. So I have confidence
that Erica Stanford will get this done. I don't think
it will move the needle, particularly in terms of the

(54:29):
polls because, as I say, a, voters are worried about
their hip pockets. But the other thing I think the
government needs to be cautious of is that the government
is not the economy. And right now I can tell
you of several potentially major projects around Auckland that are
still being held up because they are tied up in

(54:51):
local government planning. They are tied up in waiting to
get on the fast track and not knowing how long
that will take. One of those is potentially up to
a billion dollars of one development that would attract others
near Auckland. And the other story which underpins this for
me is you know another major developer who said to

(55:12):
me recently, well, we're just not even going to go
down the process of this major redevelopment right now, because
it's at least half a million dollars just to run
through the resource consenting process with no guarantee what's coming
out the other side. So I would say to the government,
you have to keep focusing on allowing the New Zealand
businesses to be the economy and do the growing and

(55:35):
keep on, you know, making sure you're getting the barriers
out of the way for them to do that.

Speaker 25 (55:40):
They've actually announced a lot today, haven't they. I mean
there's the duty of Colins digital stuff, which is actually
game changing. If you start putting all government services available digitally,
the school's announcement, the hospitals and so on, so you know,
they'll be feeling like, you know, God, we keep announcing
stuff and it's just not moving the dial. And I
think you're right Ryan that they've fallen between do they

(56:02):
do stimulus and risk more debt and inflation or do
they cut and risk austerity and being unpopular. And I
think they've been falling between those two things. I mean,
the real problem. We've got the construction sector which is
on a downturn. We've got energy which is overpriced, with
deindustrializing New Zealand, our manufacturing sectors, you know, dying. So

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they need something big that captures the imagination. And I
was looking back at Tony Blair when he first came
into power and his first party conference, he said, the
biggest priority in this government is three things. Education, education, education,
and I feel like they need to go Is it
education Erica Stanford's doing a lot. Is it reforming the

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public sector so that they deliver government services better? Is
it competition? And do you need to go hard on
competition and do really big things like maybe break up Fronterira.
I don't know, you know, not just the super markets.
And I feel like they can't prioritize one big thing
that they're going to do that we all get. This
is the government that changed education or changed competition.

Speaker 24 (57:08):
But the problem is we're in I think that the
government would feel they've done that. This is the year
of growth, right, It's growth, growth, growth. You can't not
have had that message. But again the problem is that
for businesses there is just still too much in the
way of them being able to invest and grow. And
this is where the government's message has really become not

(57:32):
calibrated with reality. So I have heard repeatedly ministers saying, oh,
we've done all this, now this is great. Now businesses
can start investing, they can start creating jobs. What they
have forgotten is that for a lot of businesses, the
cupboard is bear. There's not the money there to be
able to do those things yet.

Speaker 25 (57:53):
So I think it's one thing that they really I
think they get brownie points for telling us there is
no short term solution here. This is really bad and
here's the steps we're taking. It's going to take a while,
and you've got to come on this journey with us.
If they were a bit more honest about that, I
think rather than trying to go, hey, it's going to
be great. You know, we're going to have growth, growth.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Growth, they have been pretty honest about and they've had
to be about the reality of it. But I think
you're right, Josie, if you know, labor will come along
next year and they've got to say what they'll do. Yeah,
but they don't worry. We will save the day. We
will do that by texting, We will do that by
borrowing more, we will spend more. And will Keewis believe
any of it.

Speaker 25 (58:31):
So there's one interesting comparison.

Speaker 24 (58:34):
I hope, not hope, ever, believe that needs to be
at least lined up for an IQT.

Speaker 25 (58:40):
At least they're presenting an alternative at the moment, they're
just going, you know, in a way that national did
when they were in government will be better than them.
But the real comparison is someone like Carne in Canada
who has put forward this fast track growth plan where
he's building a nuclear power station. He's labor government nuclear
you know, left government nuclear house. Station's mining copper. He's

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building LNG plants. So it can be done, all right.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
It is the huddle with Joseph Bigani and Tristius in
quarter to six back in a jiffy, the.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
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Speaker 2 (59:19):
Thirteen to six News talks of Beatricius and Joseph Bigani
on the huddle tonight. Palestine, the Canadians, the Brits, the
Australians have all recognized it or decided they will recognize
it overnight, and we're still deciding. I don't think personally
that our government is going to do it, Josie, what
do you reckon?

Speaker 25 (59:37):
I think they will, and I think they'll do it
in the last minute, and they'll do something around the
Canadian model, which is conditional. So it's not about recognizing
a broken state now led by Hamas who's still got
the hostages. It's about recognizing the principle of a state
led by Palestinian authority, demilitarized with an Arab peaceful going

(01:00:00):
in there, but recognize. I know what you're saying that
that recognizing the principle of the state seems like nothing,
but it is potentially the first step to some sort
of peace agreement. It has to be part of a
bigger plan. The big truth you've got is that Israelis
and Palestinians are going nowhere. They both have a legitimate
ancient homeland claim unfortunately to the same land, and so

(01:00:25):
any any analysis that doesn't any peace process, or any
analysis or any peace plan that doesn't acknowledge that is
not going to succeed. So I do think recognizing the
principle that the state of Palistine deserves to exist is
something that is the first step towards peace. And I
think when stall the last minute.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
They we get to on that. A speed bumps Trish.
So this is in Milldale, north of Auckland, a one
speed bump every eighty meters in this particular New Greenfield's development.
The poor guy in the paper said his wife. He
gets to have two days at home working from home
every week, but his poor wife has to go to
work every day. She's sick of it. They're all sick
of it. Don't move to Mildale.

Speaker 24 (01:01:04):
Well, this actually reminded me of when I was at
boarding school and my mother arrived to pick me up
in the good brown commodore and the pro Terminary High
School had put in some new speed bumps on the
driveway up to the hospital, and my mother had a
very unique idea for how she might test the efficacy
of the speed bumps using her car, and the principle

(01:01:27):
when I heard the story today reminded me of it.
I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous. Trying to drive around
you know, Milldale sounds terrible, but just try driving around
Auckland now. And what I have never seen is any
data or facts showing the efficacy of all of the
speed bumps that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
How many lives saved? Well, that's what I want to know. Well,
how many lives have we said? How many school children
have not been knocked off their bikes or have broken.

Speaker 25 (01:01:56):
Only have a role to play. The problem is the
letherer of them.

Speaker 22 (01:02:00):
They're just like breeding.

Speaker 25 (01:02:02):
I've got a theory here that's it must be so
easy to consent them, right, that's why we've got so many.
So this is actually a great template for if we
could just deal with the time around consenting, we would
get heaps built. Like imagine we could.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Apply the same rules.

Speaker 25 (01:02:17):
But I also think that it's something to do with
the fact that, you know, in that consultation process, no
one ever has to defend the status quo, right, so
you've got people who have to complain about things being built.
I mean, now we're complaining about speed bumps, But the
problem with the cool consenting process is that no one

(01:02:37):
ever has to measure not doing something or doing something anyway.
That's just my rant about.

Speaker 24 (01:02:42):
Well here's the other thing. We seem to be able
to build speed bumps in mass very quickly, that's what
I mean, But we can't get major projects done in
any timeframe. I was reading a history of New Zealand
on the weekend. Do you know the Main Trunk Railways
had a great weekend. This is the length of his
even nine years to build Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Four years.

Speaker 24 (01:03:03):
What has happened to New Zealand that we now can't
we can't even get a business case to put a
plan forward, let alone getting something built.

Speaker 25 (01:03:13):
We can for speed bumps, right, But I think it's
a consultation class. We've invented a consultation class. The same
people get consulted all the time things. They are a
consultation class who say no to things. That's what we've got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Even the good projects, like the projects you think people
would love. The Greenies included wind mills, windmills South Tartanaki
that go into the UN.

Speaker 12 (01:03:34):
I mean, so why go to the UN?

Speaker 25 (01:03:37):
The UN can't even solve Ukraine. They're not going to
sold windmills in Taranaki.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Right ate away from six. Thank you Tricius and Jose
Buccanney on the huddle tonight news Talk said b we'll
get to some of your texts next. Also after six,
we're looking at Huntley power Station and how we'll actually
power it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
News Talk ZIBB. It is six minutes away from six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
This is on the example we just heard from Trish
Hurston about you know it took us four years to
build the harbor bridge, and you know we can barely
build a put up a street sign and a week Ryan,
My favorite example is the Empire State Building, took just
over a year to build almost a century ago and

(01:04:27):
still standing. That's from Sean.

Speaker 18 (01:04:29):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Nice to have you texting the program. Ryan, this is
on the issue of match fixing. You know, for two
hours every weekend, we are the most watched country apparently
in Asia out of Asia for sports, and two hundred
million dollars a year being bet on the national professional
men's soccer teams. Ryan, my sixteen year old playing football

(01:04:54):
for Hamilton Wanderers, was approached. There are guys betting overseas
on domes games and it's crazy, it says Andy. Sounds
like it too, Ryan. If we, as New Zealanders could
actually drive to a speed limit, there would be no
need for speed bumps. Unfortunately we can't. So suck it up,
buttercup Alf he says, we are the architects of our

(01:05:18):
own downfall on this slow down or be treated like
a child, elf. Honestly, we're not children, that's the point.
And one speed bump every eighty meters is ridiculous. I mean,
I can understand the odd speed bump so that you
don't get people racing through an area. But at some point,

(01:05:38):
and I think we've reached the point where it's become
absolutely ridiculous. Ryan, how many lives have those speed bumps
cost with delays for fire an emergency for ambulance services?
Grants asked the question, it's a very good question. I
don't think anybody would be measuring that. News talk said
be there's a guy here in new Land from the IMF.

(01:06:01):
He was too, I see at the IMF, and normally
the IMF will come out and say New Zealand needs
a capital gains tax, New Zealand needs a wealth tax.
Potentially this guy has come over here and said, Nope,
you don't need any of those, even though you've got
an aging population. We've got to pay for the pension,
We're going to pay for the healthcare. How does the
government get the extra money? He says, probably what you

(01:06:23):
should do. What will happen is increasing GST and I
can hear your collective groans as you look at the
price of butter. But he says, it's an easy lever
to pull. And yeah, I'm just an interesting perspective. I thought,
this is that former to I see McKean of the IMF.
We'll talk to Nicola Willis, Finance Minister about all of this.

(01:06:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
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and Mass for Insurance Investments and Kuei Saber.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
You're in Good as news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Be good evening Monday, the twenty second is September just
gone seven after six. Coming up on the show Shane
Soley for Markets, Show Business, Humpley's Cold Deal with wait
for it, Key we coll and we'll get to a
UK correspondent before top of the R two Ray Well.
We've spoken to Erica Stamford about this. The government is
shoveling money out the door to classrooms to get them
fixed up. They're old, they're moldy, and they're broken, and

(01:07:29):
they will have that money hopefully in these school's pockets today, tomorrow,
sometime this week if they need it. Nicola Willis is
the Finance Minister with us now Minister, good evening, good evening,
rin will we see more announcements like this of accelerated funding.

Speaker 20 (01:07:45):
We've given a very clear message to all ministers. We've
allocated billions of dollars of extra funding. For infrastructure over
our past two budgets. We don't want it sitting around
in government bank accounts. We want it resulting in signe
contract spades in the ground, high vis and jobs. So
the instruction to all government ministers has been make sure

(01:08:08):
you know where your maintenance contracts are at, where those
construction projects are aut get them out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Are you have you got any other examples that you
think you can point to where we'll get more money
out the door.

Speaker 20 (01:08:20):
Well you've seen that from us that we've got the
seven billion dollars worth of projects underway or happening before Christmas.
So that's across transport projects. So yesterday we had the
big announcement in the hut of the Mailing interchange. Tomorrow
the Utucky to live in Highway will get started. Are
you also seeing that in health where we've already announced

(01:08:41):
the contracting arrangements for the expansion of the emergency room
at Wellington Hospital, the signing of that contract with Dunedin Hospital,
and there are other projects coming in that health area.
Look across the board, Ryan, we've made big investments in infrastructure.
The key is we don't want it sitting there. As
a theory and a business case want resulting in a
construction contract and people on work.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Okay, how many jobs do you do you by the
end of the year, how many jobs will you have
put on the table?

Speaker 20 (01:09:10):
Well, look, people have different analyzes of how many jobs
are created per contract, but the Infrastructure Commission estimates that
for every billion that you invest, you are creating hundreds
of jobs. So look, we expect hundreds, if not thousands
of jobs to be created through these new construction contracts
by Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yes, and that's with the money going out or the
money announced, because there's a difference. What you've just explained
to us. So is that is that you hope, because
you've allocated the money, will get those hundreds or thousands
of jobs by Christmas or the contracts assigned and they
will be created.

Speaker 20 (01:09:48):
Well, look, as I say, it's difficult to assign these numbers,
which is why I'm being cautious about not getting you
a specific one. And that's because there's a combination of things.
There's those major construction projects that will commence before Christmas,
the seven billion worth of projects. Then there's these maintenance
projects that are being brought forward are in education and elsewhere,
and the jobs per contract will vary. Some of those

(01:10:10):
jobs will be of long duration, some of short duration.
Certainly we expect a lot of activity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
The biggest regret in government would it be cutting the
kying or order funding. I mean, that's devastated construction.

Speaker 20 (01:10:23):
I am going to correct you on that one because
I am absolutely sick of this myths. In the past
two years, Kyeing of Aura has built more than seven
thousand new homes. How many we because all of the funding?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
How many labor they weren't.

Speaker 20 (01:10:41):
So let me finish my point, which let me finish
this point because labor have misled people on this. They
put funding and budget twenty twenty three, their last budget
into Kyeing of Aura, and we kept that in place
for housing construction. We in addition put in more funding
for social houses, two thousand more to be delivered by
community housing providers. The change that we have made is

(01:11:05):
that our analysis showed that fifty percent of people on
the social housing waitlist needed a one bedroom home, Yet
only twelve percent of Coyeing or is overall housing was
one bedroom homes, which is just a silly mismatch. So
we are working to make sure we've got the right
houses in the right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Totally understand that who needs that. But you can't seriously
go to the construction industry and say this is a
labor myth that we've pulled projects from cayeing order. The
construction industry themselves are telling us that one of the
biggest barriers they've faced is a pullback from KO.

Speaker 20 (01:11:42):
We have changed some of the projects, but overall, we
have added seven thousand homes in the last two years.
That's just a simple fact rhyme. It is true that
the construction sector has gone through a tough time, and
I fully appreciate that. One of the big changes that's
affected them is that we're interest rates got really high
and let's remember they didn't start dropping again until last August.

(01:12:05):
A huge number of private construction projects completely fell over
because they no longer stacked up at those expensive rates
of borrowing, and that's had a massively depressive impact on
the construction Sectory.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Reserve Bank governor will hear soon by the end of
the week, hopefully who that is.

Speaker 22 (01:12:21):
That's right.

Speaker 20 (01:12:22):
I'm happy to confirm that you will know by the
end of the week who the new Reserve Bank governor is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Okay, will you make sure that if they because you
know Adrian Or for twenty nine months he failed to
get inflation within the target, and then he still got
a pay rise when he went for his next contract.
I mean, are we going to be stripped with the
next governor?

Speaker 20 (01:12:39):
Well, my requirement of the Reserve Bank governor, which I
set out in my Monetary Policy remit, is that they
need to keep inflation inflation and the target band between
one and three percent over the medium term. So it
is acceptable to get a small blip out of that
if it's just a quarterly thing and then it goes
back to the mean. But those couple of years of

(01:13:00):
out of control inflation under or in labor, we're unacceptable,
created carnage in our economy and a real reminder of
where we need to keep our eye on inflation economy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Speaking of it and Trump and the tariffs. If we
got hammered so badly by his last announcement, what's to
stop us getting equally hammered next time has another crazy
moment or a liberation day.

Speaker 20 (01:13:24):
I think we can see clearly now that we are
not in the group of countries that's been hardest hit
in nor would we expect to be in future. We've
also got clarity for our American exporters about the rate
of tariff they can expect to face into the future,
which is obviously unwelcome at fifteen percent, but at least
they know what they're dealing with, and we can have

(01:13:44):
some certainty that the rest of the world hasn't gone
into an all out trade war. You'll remember when he
first made his announcement back in April, people were talking
about all sorts of retaliatory tariffs happening and free traders
we know it collapsing. That hasn't transpired. In fact, a
lot of our trading partners have leaned even more positively
towards free trade. And that's good for New Zealand because

(01:14:05):
we have a constellation of free trade arrangements.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
We're not just dependent on the US to approve projects
in the fast track. Is that success, Well, it is, and.

Speaker 20 (01:14:14):
I'm advised that there will be at least half a
dozen more decisions before Christmas. In terms of those projects, Ryan,
there's also another one that's been provisionally approved. But they're exciting.
These are projects that are going to add hundreds of
millions to GDP, that are going to create thousands of jobs.
The my Tahi Village housing project in Nelson that's going

(01:14:34):
to impact employment activity by around two thousand, seven hundred jobs.
I'm advised the Auckland Port One over its lifetime will
support employment of one hundred thousand workers in Auckland, Milldale
and Auckland, which has been given provisional approval. That will
result in eleven hundred more homes being delivered and generate
around half a billion and GDP. So these are exciting

(01:14:55):
projects that would not have been approved without fast track.
They would have been stuck in the system for years.
Let me remind you this is a piece of legislation
that has been opposed by opposition parties. We've said no,
you need to get these big private sector developments out
the door, and we're doing it a lot faster than
what have otherwise been the case.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Nicola Willis, Finance mister. Appreciate your time. Hopefully they can
do without the I don't know if you saw the
story about the speed humps at Milldale. Hopefully they can
build those eleven hundred homes without the need for tons
more of them. Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. It is
quarter past six. You're on news Talk zb We'll get
to change solid with markets.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
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Good evening.

Speaker 26 (01:15:47):
Getay right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
So we had the GDP number for quarter two last week.
It was soft, but the shear market's been pretty flat.
Investors sort of looking through the weakness.

Speaker 26 (01:15:57):
Yeah, it's an interesting one. Yeah, So we've seen the
sheremerk got flat the last five days through this GDP
shock period. Actually it has been flat year to day
and only up five percent of the last twelve months.
What we're because investors have been seeing this weakness for
some time. It's not a new surprise. But we are
seeing probably two or three things that are really starting
to get people to look back again. These interest rates

(01:16:19):
are starting to get to points where they're attractive cost
of borrowing and lower, making investments more attractive. There are
some signs that the economy is finding a base. We
are seeing this targeted government fiscal serially tuned to targeted
fiscal stimulus, So we are seeing some signs of things
getting less worse. And obviously parts of the economy are
actually do okay, others just a bit rough. And finally,

(01:16:40):
the thing that we're most focused on this company doing
the companies doing their own self help programs, so they're
fixing their own businesses by efficiency gains. But the unfortunately,
market was down just under zero point seven percent today
giving back was a bit of a strong day on Friday,
so it's giving some of that back upter some index
welate changes the little way together before. We're a rock
star economy and rockster market agin right, unfortunately, but certainly

(01:17:03):
we're in this don't fight the Fed, don't fight central
banks moment.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Yeah, the speaking of the rbns in here will obviously
be cutting a kwbank came out today, so they might
need to go to two percent by February next year.
What do you reckon that?

Speaker 26 (01:17:16):
Well, look, certainly markets are pricing and official cash right
going to two point three percent by May twenty six.
That's down zero point seven percent on the current three
percent level. We've got cuts priced and for October according
to market, so zero point three four percent. That means
twenty five percent or point ty five percent expected, but
it could be half of percent and there isn't. It's

(01:17:39):
a bit fluid is because there's some expectation that inflation
data may actually just creep up the next month. Styre
holding the RBNS back from doing a half percent. But
the economy, you know, we certainly needs needs, it would
benefit from the liquidity injection, so you know, maybe maybe
we do get closer to two than two and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Interesting. We're also getting an update on US and flow
data later this week.

Speaker 26 (01:18:02):
Yeah, look, last week we saw the Federal at the
Market Commission. This is the fed's Monketrey policy arm cut
by a quarter of percent. That was expected, but Fed
hier power. He was quite hawkish here, sort of holding
his cards back, talking about as a risk management cut
this week. Later this week, on Thursday, we get the
core personal consumption Exponiti or PC data.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
That's the one the.

Speaker 26 (01:18:24):
FED really favors. So it's actually on Friday, apologies surveys
are shown. We're coming around two point nine percent, that's
inside the fed's target band. Remembering, of course we've got
this very unusual time in the US with the data
is not exactly great, so complete and what markets are
really watching for is this tariff impact? Is it as

(01:18:45):
bad as people have expected? So you know we have
got the potential for some more amminition for the FED
to cut this Currently if we look one year forward
out to September next year, is about one percent of
a few is FED cuts put in place, taking their
rates down to three. This the official Caesher and Fed
chiapwe he talks on Thursday, He's going to talk about
the economy and Markt's going to be saying, so things

(01:19:07):
getting worse? Does that menu have to cut faster and
earler to get to that one percent down?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Appreciate that update. Shane Soley Harbor Asset Management with US
tonight just gone twenty one minutes after six An update
for you on Harry Styles, everybody's favorite British pop star
doing everything apparently but making music. Will ask why.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Closing the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan Bridge
with the Business Hour and Mass for insurance investments and
Killie Saber You're in good hands Newstalks ed Boks twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
We look at this deal for Cole for Huntley after
the news at six thirty. First though, I'm loving all
these texts on the speed bumps. Ryan, I'm an automotive engineer,
says this text. You will be aware of the waterfront
road from the city to Saint Heliers. There are fourteen
speed bumps on this road. Every vehicle that travels this
road will burn eighty percent more fuel than if it

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was a smooth This is caused by the breaking and
the acceleration. AT did not carry out any research regarding
fuel consumption or damage to vehicles prior to putting their
speed bumps. And I have this information via an OAA
from all can Transport HM. Very interesting indeed, this one
in christ Church from JP Ryan firefighter here, I have
measured the delays in christ Church to cardiac arrest due

(01:20:22):
to the speed bumps and other delays due to slowing
traffic down the traffic calming measures they call them. Approximately
three to four lives a year will be lost due
to delays. You have ten minutes to be saved when
your heart stops. In the last four years in christ Church,
only one pedestrian or cyclist has been killed, submitted to
christ Church City Council. They have said nothing, thank you
JP for that. So basically, not only are they slowing

(01:20:44):
us down, but where we're going to die as a result. Okay,
that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Just show bears.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
It looks like former One Direction member Harry Styles is
anywhere but recording new music, which will be bad news
to the years of those who love this song. The
British pop star will snap this weekend running the Berlin
Marathon the Twist. He's actually quite a good runner. He
completed the feat in two hours, fifty nine minutes and
thirteen seconds, just below the three hour mark for him.

(01:21:24):
Plus he's been able to shave off over a minute
from his time when he ran the Tokyo Marathon in March.
If you want to go to your local marathon to
catch a glimpse, you might be out of luck. He's
not using his real name unfortunately, he's running under the
alias Stead Surrendos. But now we know his alias, surely

(01:21:44):
he will change it every race. I don't know. If
you're running across the Harbor Bridge with a guy who's
obviously trying too hard not to be noticed, he might
just be a pop star. You never know, especially if
he comes in under three hours. Good on him. Harry
Styles would be nice if you got to music, because
I do enjoy his actually just very quickly on Taylor Swift,
we got time for this. She did an announcement over

(01:22:07):
the weekend and all of the Swifties love this stuff.
But she's going to release her album with a global
cinema experience, and I thought, you know what, for all
the stick that she gets for being I don't know,
is she a standout performer? Would you say that? I
don't know, but she's very popular. She brings a lot

(01:22:28):
of people together. Think of all of her concerts. Think
of that generation of kids who you worry are on
their smartphones too often, not doing enough socializing. She gets
them to the cinema together, She gets them to the
concerts together. She gets them waiting outside her hotels having
a great time interacting face to face. So for that,
Taylor Swift, thank you very much. Twenty seven after six

(01:22:50):
Huntley and the Coole Afternoons.

Speaker 27 (01:23:02):
Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass for
Insurance Investments and Kiui Saber.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
You're in good hands. News Talks ev send seven long true.

Speaker 12 (01:23:22):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
You're on News Talksb's twenty five minutes away from seven
Great to have your company. We'll go to the UK.
A UK correspondent will join us before seven o'clock this evening.
Lots to discuss the course, including Keers Starmer, who's just
having a al of a time over there, isn't he
If he's not losing his two ic to a housing scandal,
he's losing one of his staff members to an Epstein

(01:23:51):
related scandal, another to an email related scandal for years
gone by, not to mention the main Epstein scandal, which
was Mandelsson, his ambassador to America. So lots for him
on his plate, lots for him to deal with. We'll
talk to our UK correspondent about that and whether he's
kind of going to hang on. Was listening to a

(01:24:11):
podcast today, a British politics podcast this morning about I mean,
he's got three and a half years on the clock
to to care Starmer, so it's not like, you know,
it's panic stations. But then in some ways, I mean,
if you think about how often they choose through a
leader because of their five year term, you know, you

(01:24:31):
get it chy, don't you. And here with the three
year electoral cycle, you're more likely to hold on to
the same leader and go to the election with them,
because it's a shorter term over there. If you've got
to wait another five, four or five years with the
leader that no one likes, then you might be more
inclined to roll them. So in a funny kind of way,
you may may end up with more leaders more and

(01:24:54):
more changes to leaders more often over there than you
would hear. Anyway, we will talk about that. Just before
seven twenty three to two. Now ran Bridge more coal
on the way for Huntley Power Station, but not of
the Indonesian variety. Genesis Energy is locked in a deal
to purchase two hundred and forty thousand tons of local
coal to keep the lights on there. The move designed
to shore up energy security, cutting reliance on overseas imports

(01:25:17):
of Richard take On is the BT Mining CEO with
us and on the phone, Richard, good evening, okaday Ryan there.
Nice to have you with me. First of all, this deal,
how significant is it?

Speaker 18 (01:25:32):
Oh, this is fantastic. We've got Hartley coal going into
the Hartley power Station. It's been probably a decade since
there's been a like a long term supply like this.
So we've got one hundred and twenty thousand tons a
year for the next two years. That'll displace about half
of what they're importing now on a normal year. Obviously
you know in certain years of US dry than I

(01:25:53):
need more. But yeah, it's significant for us and the
significant for the Hartley district.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
How why did we need to go to Indonesia in
the first place.

Speaker 18 (01:26:05):
Look, it's got to do with the downsizing the mines
over the last couple of decades, and you know the
coal then really ended up in the making Steel New
Zealand Steel Plant public Glenbrook. There was no excess coal.
And also you know for the for Genesis, they didn't
really know how much coal they were going to burn,
so it's hard for them to enter into a long

(01:26:26):
term supply contract that US as a producer needs, Whereas
they can go and get coal from Indonesia and a
boat load, you know, with a with a much notice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
So where are you getting this coal from?

Speaker 18 (01:26:38):
This is coming from the road to Warra mine just
in Huntley itself, just out of Huntley. So it's Look,
it's part of a long term infrastructure that was set
up as part of the power station. Originally there's an
internal hall road. It then goes onto a conveyor which
feeds directly into the power station.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
And what were you going to do with this coal
had it not gone to Huntley? Do you know what?

Speaker 23 (01:26:58):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 18 (01:27:00):
Yep, yep, No, Look at what eventually got sold to
New Zealand Steel if that plant continues using coal in
the same way they have. But you know, there's a
lot of coal left in the Hutley area. We've got
a plan for an extension that's actually listed in fast
Track and we went the customer for that coal. So
we see this as being a really good supply for

(01:27:22):
the next two years, but also it may lead to
other coal supply being able to be brought on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
And is the with the fast track situation, is there
any indication of for you guys know, whether you are
approved where you're along with that process. We're hearing a
lot about sort of delays ironically on the fast Track.

Speaker 18 (01:27:43):
Look, we haven't got an application and yet we've got
two projects listed. We've got the Dennison Buller project down
on the West coast and we've got the Rhodawara Extension
project up in the Hutley area. So we're working on
applications for both of those that we haven't presented them
to the EPA.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
All right, fair enough, what about the two year contract
term for this Hunting power station? Is there not much
more than that to go around or what's with the term.

Speaker 18 (01:28:12):
No, it really just takes us through. That's some exceous
coal that we believe, well, we know we've got in
this block we're mining now. They maybe a little bit
more to go past that, but we wanted to be
able to be sure we could supply it, so that's
why we've both parties are very happy with the two
year deal.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
All right, interesting stuff, Richard, appreciate your time. Thanks so
much for it. To take on the taken I should say,
who's the BT Mining chief executive. It's just gone twenty
to seven your news talks in b We'll get to
the UK.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Next, everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business
Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass for insurance investors and Kia.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
You're in good hands news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
He'd be seventeen away from seven. You're on news talks.
He'd be. Gavin Gray is a UK correspondent joining us
this evening. Gavin good a right, flight disruptions. We've got
the cyber attacks and flight disruptions across Europe and they
sit to get worse or continue at least.

Speaker 28 (01:29:08):
Yes they are, and it's Brussels which appears to be
the worst affected. So this was all a software cyber
attack which struck several airports across the Europe, including Berlin
in Dublin and Brussels and London Heathrow Britain's biggest airport,
and it's basically a system that allows airlines to share

(01:29:29):
check in desks and also the baggage sorting. So it
is effectively that that's been we believe the subject of
a cyber attack, and Collins Airspace, who run that aerospace,
who run that particular software thing, saying well that they
have almost resolved the issue, but that hasn't stopped many
many flights being canceled across the weekend. This struck on

(01:29:50):
Friday night and Heathrow was looking pretty messy, so was
Brussels and Berlin. On Saturday. Things got a little bit
better yesterday. Today we're being told most are getting back
to normal, but not so at Brussels, where effective they've
been asked. All airlines have been asked to cancel nearly
half their flights, so really a massive massive problem there

(01:30:13):
and it has led to all these airports having to
check people in using pen and paper. British Airways incidentally
was not doing that. It has its own backup system
and that's led to questions about why other airports don't
have their own backup system.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Any idea at this point, Gavin, where the cyber attects
have actually come from.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
No.

Speaker 28 (01:30:32):
All sorts of finger pointing again about potentially from Russian
hackers and potentially those Russian hackers being linked to Russia,
to the state of Russia. But we don't know that
for sure, and indeed the company itself is trying to
studiously avoid using the word cyber attack, just saying it
is a cyber issue, but everyone else seems to be

(01:30:53):
reported that they believe it to be a cyber attack.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
All right, Okay, speaking of the Russians in staying in
the skies, Estonia is re Christian consultation with NATO members
of this after the Russian wall planes violated their space
Friday morning.

Speaker 28 (01:31:05):
Yeah, so for the second time in just this month,
we're getting news that Russia has flown over airspace and
Estonia being this time they reckoned some three meg fighter
jets flew over their airspace for twelve minutes. Now Russia
is saying, no, we're an international airspace. But not according

(01:31:28):
to the Estonians who say no, it was flown over
and they're pretty angry about it. Indeed, it's led. I
think lots of NATO countries now to get really jittery.
They are bolstering that eastern flank, and Italy, Finland and
Sweden were scrambling jets and as I said, for the
second time this month when a NATO members airspace was
breached by Russia. Incidentally, if you think, oh, this is

(01:31:49):
all getting a bit boring, the Czech president Peta Pavel
is saying that NATO should respond by shooting down any
planes from Russia or any other country she's overflying without permission.
Russia saying, you know, it had nothing to do with it,
it's not illegal, and so forth. But there is a
feeling that Russia is testing NATO to see what it

(01:32:10):
is and is not willing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Yeah. I don't like to agree with something like that,
something as drastic is that. But if the idea is
that he is testing, and he said at Stonia in
Poland his head, Romania is testing the boundaries of NATO.
NATO's response thus far would seem to be pretty weak,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:32:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's exactly. I think the point
many awake at you and making that there's meetings, it's discussions,
it's jiggling around where the defenses are and a unanimous
sort of statement of intent, but there is actually no
intent being signaled at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Appreciate your time, Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Time is fifteen
minutes away from seven. Actually, just before we leave the UK,
I thought I would assume with you this a little
piece from an article that I was reading at the weekend,
sent by a friend. It's about Jeremy Corman and Zara Sultan.
If you don't know who, you know who. He is,
former Labor leader. Of course, she is a young, young lefty.

(01:33:07):
She quit Labor in quite dramatic fashion, and they started
a new party together. You might have heard of this.
It's called your Party, and this was only maybe three
four months ago, but back in July is when they
started this party. Anyway, it's collapsed already, it's basically falling
to pieces right before your very eyes. And it's I
think liberal Moway socialists coupled with conservative Muslims, coupled with transactivists,

(01:33:35):
what could possibly go wrong? This is an article that
called the collapse of your party is bloody hilarious. It's
by a when you can go and look it up
by Brendan O'Neill from a website called Spiked. He says, Sultana,
this is the young liberal lefty. Sultana embodies the cult
of victimology that bizarrely passes for leftism these days. The

(01:33:58):
new left is packed with him, in sickle furries and
vitamin D deficient poshos who tweet about fighting barbarism and
then demand a self care day because they overheard somebody
say he about some fat bloken a boob tube. This
is the article that's been written for a Spike, well written, entertaining, controversial. Yeah,

(01:34:21):
you can beat your bottom dollar, but it raises for
me some really interesting questions about the left and how
they have lost in the eyes of many, lost the
worker and picked up a whole bunch of other weird
social issues that actually most voters, people who actually go
to the polls and vote rather than post on TikTok,

(01:34:44):
they don't care about. And it's a problem that I
think you can see in the popularity of Kiir Starmer
and one that Chippy here is desperately trying to avoid
coming into twenty twenty six eleven away from seven Talk
zib It's the Heather Too per.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Se Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Eight to seven News Talk h B. Mark Ruffalo, the
American actor, is well. He's part of a growing number
of Hollywood elite who are basically going crazy over the
whole Jimmy Kimmel, and rightly so. I think anyone who
gets canceled in a situation like that, you know you'll
provoke some strong reaction. Anyway, he's having a cracks. Is

(01:35:30):
that living in the US will soon be like living
under the Taliban.

Speaker 29 (01:35:33):
Because authoritarian regimes, fascist regimes have to degrade our freedoms
more and more over time, until we're living the smallest,
the most frightened, the most secretive lives. Think of yourselves
living under the Taliban, because that's where we're headed.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Geez, all right, a bit of a long bow, I
would have said, anyway, why do people listen to actors?
Why do people care what actors think? I'm getting a
bit sick of musicians and actors like you need to
separate politics. There's so much going on in the world,
so many bad things going on in the world, so
much war, so much hate, so much division. Can we

(01:36:16):
not just go to the cinema? Can we not just
put on the radio and listen to some music and
just sort of tune out from all that? And isn't
that what arts me to be about for the most part.
So if you could just please, if you're an actor
listening to this, if you're a musician, just keep your
thoughts to yourself and do what you do best, you know,
entertain us, make us feel good. That the world needs

(01:36:39):
a bit more of that, I think at the moment.
And the more that they open their mouths and talk
about politics, no matter what side it comes from. I mean,
I'm not saying I'm I'm being quite agnostic about all
of that, but when they open their mouths about politics,
you do tend to just sort of tune out and
shake your head. Ryan Huntley Cole going to Huntley power
Station and genius idea, says Jack. Yeah, it is pretty

(01:37:02):
cool to see it happening. Jack. I mean, not that
you want to be burning coal. But if you're going
to be burning coal, you might as well be burning
Kiwi coal that comes down the road rather than on
a ship from over in Indonesia. Ryan, maybe Huntley Power
Station should not be allowed to use gas to make
power when it has the option to use coal. Until

(01:37:23):
New Zealand gas supply is secured. This will leave a
huge gas amount for companies to manufacture and stop power
companies buying up all the supply contracts for gas, blocking
other companies and in turn leading to closures. Sir Sean,
all right, it is coming up to five minutes away
from seven on News Talk, c'd be I'll be here

(01:37:43):
with you this week as Heather is off away and
it's my absolute pleasure to be so I will see
you tomorrow on Drive. Have a good evening, everybody. Oh, Libby,
what have be going out to tonight?

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
We're going out to some Taylor Sworth who has announced
that she or maybe she didn't announce it, but it's
been announced that she's going to have a twenty four
hour radio station in her honor over in the US,
twenty four hours a day of Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
What just forever? Or is it a one off?

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
What's something to do with her new album, which comes
out all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Right, yeah, the Big Love It Reveal. Oh that's very cool.
I'm surprised that her fans, her age would listen to
her anyway. That'll probably listen to her wherever she tells
them to. I'm assuming. So here you go some Taylor
Swift for your Monday evening. See you tomorrow, baby boy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
I think I've been too good of a girl.

Speaker 30 (01:38:34):
Too good of a girl, did all the extra credit,
then got greed and o ac. I think it's time
to teach them lessons reading my world?

Speaker 24 (01:38:43):
Have you heard?

Speaker 31 (01:38:44):
How can we claim the land?

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
I'll miss you, I missed you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
I believe I'm still begull.

Speaker 31 (01:38:55):
When I'm work in the wilm, I can still make
a whole lota.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
And when I meet the.

Speaker 31 (01:39:00):
Band they asked you have a man, I can say,
I don't remember. Familiarity, break contempt, don't put me in
the basement, but not when the band come of your
heart sign in my eyes, A polish up, real.

Speaker 13 (01:39:15):
A polish up rail nice.

Speaker 30 (01:39:22):
Nice, if surer tears on my face, sadness speaking my
old guy.

Speaker 12 (01:39:34):
Some guys send my orange.

Speaker 30 (01:39:36):
Most don't, just because he loves and when it's all
night and you can try to change my mind, you
might have to wait in line. What's the girl gonna do?

Speaker 24 (01:39:49):
A time?

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Got shot?

Speaker 28 (01:39:53):
Set you all.

Speaker 17 (01:39:54):
And I walk in the room.

Speaker 16 (01:39:55):
I can still make the whole oversation.

Speaker 31 (01:39:59):
Meet the band they do you have a man? I
can still say it for me in the basement and
of your heart time, bye bye, an leave with you

(01:40:29):
in the room, still there summer.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
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