Full Show Podcast: 23 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather du pass on and Drive with
One New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good afternoon. Coming up on today's show, we got another twist,
can you believe it? In the Beckonridge case. We'll go
to our reporter for that. We'll get Northland Regional Council's
reaction to the new highway through the brin Durwins and
we'll tell you about the help for its new help
as well for rugby players at risk of brain injuries.
Heather dupericy, Alan Winston's in trouble with the opposition again,
isn't he. He's in trouble with the opposition again. Yes, again,

(00:38):
someone in the opposition's gone crying to Daddy, calling on
the Prime Minister to sort Winston Peters out. I mean,
last time this happened, it was because he was mean
to old Bossy Galore. This time it's because he threatened
to defund Radio New Zealand. Now he did this this
morning and what I'd considered to be a highly entertaining
tantrum actually because he got cross at arn Z for
getting cross at him because he wants to define what
a woman is in law. Now, this crying to dandy

(01:01):
business is going on about Winston is utterly pointless, and
I bet you Labour knows it, but they're doing it anyway.
And it's pointless because number one, you and I both
know that Luxon is not going to sort out Winston Peters.
Luxon needs Winston more than Winston needs Luxon right now.
And number two, Winston is not wrong. Radio New Zealand
looks like it is going to lose funding in the
upcoming budget, at least that's the rumor doing the rounds

(01:23):
at the moment. And if ARENZ doesn't lose funding, it
should lose funding because it got a funding boost that
was enormous under Labor. It got a twenty five million
dollar a year injection under Labor that was a boost
of sixty percent. That's huge. I do not know of
any other major media organization in this country that has
had a revenue increase during this prolonged recession. And what's more,

(01:44):
despite all of that money, objectively, they're doing a cruddy
job right because I have a look at what's going on
with their audience numbers. They have an enormous decline in
the people listening to them in the last five years.
When Winston accused Radio New Zealand of having a woke
left bias. There will be plenty of people around this
country who perhaps used to listen and don't do anymore,
or don't listen for whatever reason. But there will be

(02:06):
plenty of people who would have been nodding their head
in agreement with Winston once they heard that he had
said that. Now, look, I know this is politics, so
maybe Labour sees an opportunity here to play the hero
for Radio New Zealand's audience who are horrified at what
Winston said, and fair play to Labor. They can do
what they want. It's politics. But I doubt this is
going to be a big vote winner because frankly, the

(02:26):
number of voters who nowadays care very deeply about protecting
the media seems to be at an all time low.
And also, don't forget this, It's hardly a shock, is it.
Winston Peters attacks the media. I mean that could have
been a headline every year for the last forty years,
couldn't it.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Heather Duples L one two nine two is the.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Text number standard text fees apply now talked about this yesterday.
A campaign is underway to stop what looks like an
attempt to set up co governance over Auckland's why Parkety Rangers.
The council wants to set up a decision making committee
which is made up fifty percent of tongue at the
Fenoa and then fifty percent of the government and council.
And this will come as a surprise to you if
you thought that this new government was putting a stop

(03:04):
to co governance. Auckland City Councilor Richard Hills is with
us to explain more.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Hello, Richard, surea, how are you? How's the mum life?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You're right awesome, Thank you, It's very good. Thank you, Richard.
We could talk for hours about it, and we often do.
You and I let's talk about the co governance. Why
do we need this?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
So this two thousand, well two thousand and eight, so
seventeen years ago a Tackety Heritage Act was Britain and
it said we must enter a deed. Seventeen years later,
we're finally entering the deed. The deed is essentially working
together for the best outcomes for the White Tuckety Rangers.
Part of giving effect to that, we've suggested setting up

(03:44):
a joint committee, which was basically like oversight. They'll set
up a strategic plan, but all the decision making still
sits with the local boards and the council. But instead
of going to like we have to but if anyone
our three local boards, the governing body, water care or
can transport doc why not do it all as one
group and then you have all those voices come out

(04:05):
around the table together and then the outcome is hopefully
better and more efficient for the rangers.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
So this particular committee, this will make the decisions about
the rangers.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
No, so they basically restricted to setting up a working
on a plan together. So and oversight. So a lot
of this happens anyway, but very disjointed, and then it
gets presented in fifteen different ways before anything happens. So
essentially it's looking at which the deed in the Act

(04:36):
says back, you know, talking seventeen years ago, not some
random new thing that the relationship will be worked on
together to basically improve the environmental outcomes recreational lie.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
But I just want to understand the power of the committee.
What is the power of this committee? What can it do?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Basically set up a plan.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Set up a plan.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Basically plan it.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Sets up the plan and then it gets disbanded, does it.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
No, it doesn't get disbanded. It it's basically does what
all those different groups do together now as monitor come
to the council and say hey, you're not doing the
things you said you did. It will set up the
strategic plan and then every three years that will be
done again and then they would potentially be able to
create a work program that Council and Dock and everyone
look at. They could probably come and advocate to the

(05:25):
council for.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
So they've got no power all they just they just
they're just like a sounding board. They have no power.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, because we already have to answer.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So how do we pay for this nonsense that doesn't
make any decisions?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well, hopefully it's less than we're doing now because at
the moment we just reports and decisions. So there's no
because they haven't been set up yet. It'll basically be
staff admin time, which is already going on on the
disparate groups, going to every local board, going to Dock.
You know, when you've got the white Tuckety Rangers, forest
and bird and tree Council and Protection Society all saying

(05:59):
thank you, please, you do the specific of going to
five six different groups every time we want to do
some volunteer work in the rangers.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Why do they have to go to five or six
different groups? These groups don't have any decision making power,
So what's why they obligated to go to these groups?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Because they'll they'll go to Mantifena and talk to them,
and then they'll go to the three local boards and
go what do you think? Then they'll come to the
council and go what do you think? Because we are
in charge of the regional park and instead they're saying,
you know, these groups that are now saying that we
should be doing this, they can come to one group,
a sounding board, an oversight committee, basically all the groups

(06:35):
that are passionate about for the local boards and the
Picardo Amati who are already involved, already passionate, already doing
this work and the way Taki rangers, they could do
it together and then council only has one port of call,
but all the decision making over budgets, over contracts, all
that kind of thing would still set with walking council
and the local boards. So they could over time, like

(06:56):
we've seen in the kit that are delegate to that group,
Like the government have set up a bunch of funding
for the Kuipe. Private funding is now going into that,
and that is a group.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
That is now the council. So the Council could delegate
decision making power to this joint committee.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Only if it only if its thought that that made sense.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Or it was that that makes sense. So I can
see that this is what's coming down the path, though,
isn't it, Richard.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think the disappointing thing of all the kind of
the stuff has been going on for a very long time,
long before before anyone was concerned.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
That's right, Richard, And because it sucks, people want to
stop it, but stop what.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
People working together for the better min Original Park.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I think the problem here is that there are unelected
people who get ultimately decision making power over everybody. And
they are and this is the important bit, unelected. But
they're by dint of their race.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
No, they're thereby the fact that they're then for the area.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Different words to describe exactly the same thing, Richard, Listen,
tell me something there is apparently, and I was reading
about this apparently to Carludo Amaki want to shut down
about or want to restrict access to about thirty five
percent of the park and shut down something like thirteen
or fourteen percent of the tracks.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Is that right? I don't know the exact details they've
had a lot of.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
But roughly roughly this sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, I've seen proposals where they want to close off
the areas that are most affected by Cody diebacks and
the areas that are most that need to be protected.
But with the government's council and Manafina have already worked
together on that, we're reopening tracks where it's safe and
there's the areas that are as thing.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Will you assure me, can you assure me that that
is not going to happen Richard, that there is not
going to be a group of people in Auckland City
who are going to shut down thirty five percent or
restrict access to thirty five percent of that park.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
That no one can do that apart from the council.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Okay, Hey, thank you very much, Richard. As per usual,
love chatting to you. That's Richard Hill's Auckland City Elseil
sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
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Speaker 3 (09:08):
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Speaker 5 (09:17):
Was he your friend?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Now?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Was he for three years?

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (09:21):
My charm?

Speaker 8 (09:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Oh mate, it's good. This was projected. Most people thought
this would be the case. But he's in demand because
he's very good. He's so good in fact, that former
Deli employer of the Year Roger two of us can't
get his number one Jersey Beck Again, that's how good.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
He is.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Very good, And there'll always be debate around what he
brings him versus Roger and signed so forth. But the
faith given to him by Andrew Webster to keep that
custodian position that obviously helped him go. You know, I'm
going to resign, I'm going to come back.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
And how much poot here? Oh, I don't know. They
not talk about it.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Yeah, No one talks about money here.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
This is very.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
American car is he going to be buying?

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Might probably get given a car the way it works,
driven by chance along the side of the cool Wait,
we don't know. It'd be a fair widge. But we've
got this problem here in New Zealand about sharing income,
which I get. I mean, you're not going to tell
me what you were?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Do you think we should be more open?

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I'm not going to tell you what I earn. I
actually can't because it's in my contract. They're allowed to
share it with my lawyer.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's everybody's contracts. Is it not actually illegal to tell?
I think I think it's unlawful to share your income
with any Is that just in our contracts?

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Or is that No?

Speaker 5 (10:32):
You're allowed to share it with your your manager or
your is that lawyer? Because yeah, most other people just
go in this much? Why let people know how much
I am?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I thought everybody was like us, you can't we can't
know each other.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
No, no, you can't do a cat.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
No one wants to tell anyone what anyone owns because
I turn around and go, you weren't what for doing what?

Speaker 9 (10:53):
Or they go, you earn what for doing all of that?
And I don't know which way you end on that?
How the earth did we get into that?

Speaker 10 (11:04):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
The blackfurns? So have they named a squad of.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
How much was it?

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Forty nine?

Speaker 5 (11:07):
Forty nine?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Play really bad.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Well, it's a training camp. It's the first one. It's
between April twenty seven and thirty, not that far away.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Now.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
It's the lead up to the Pack four, the Pacific
four series. So there's a lot off players involved, a
lot of SEVENS players, a lot of opicky players that'll
be trimmed pretty fast. But they're getting everyone involved and
everybody can hold hands and so on and so forth.
I don't know what they'll get out of that, but
I think that this is going to be a massive

(11:38):
year for them, and you expect that all the SEVENS
teams players that have been announced are probably going to
make the final cut when it comes to the Ferns,
but not necessarily so. And of course we know the
tyranny of injury. We know what happens there. It's pretty
easy to pop your knee off. Yeah, full down, broken
or head damaged or whatever else.

Speaker 11 (11:57):
Go on.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Tonight, I'm going to be talking to Cape about what's
happening with Chance and his position and.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, well ask him how much Pootier.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
No, he won't tell us. Where's Pootier come from? Anyway?
By the way, is some kind of strange Wellington Auckland
I keep forgetting where you come from?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
May for money? Mate?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Is it? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:15):
Really it is.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I didn't know, just just showing off my white credentials
by using a little bit of Marty. Yeah no, no,
well you know they say about me all the time.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
She's so woke, all right, conversations with Winston.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Do you yeah, what says that to me?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah? Does it?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Well, yeah, we've been talking about that already. Does he
thank you very much? Appreciate it?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Does Hey?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Water to grab sports talk host back at seven o'clock
for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Moving the big stories of the day forward. It's Heather
Dupers and Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected
news talks that'd be coming.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Up twenty five past four. Lots of texts coming through
on the co governance and white Target Rangers. Hither this
sounds like a plan to limit input and take control
to me, trying to make it sound like nothing will change.
Let us run it all before Heather, just listening to
this guy that will be Richard Hills explains why people
have no confidence in politics and politicians. You know what
that will be. Because Richard was trying very very very

(13:10):
hard to avoid admitssing that this joint committee was going
to have decision making powers. I mean, why else would
you set it up? Right, you're setting it up because
even if it doesn't have initially joint decision making powers,
you do have the power of the Council has the
power to delegate to this committee the ability to make decisions.
And clearly that is what's going to happen. It's like

(13:31):
a rocket scientist to figure that out anyway, would only
come on our radar. Yesterday. Raised it with the Finance Minister,
Nichola Willis yesterday. She didn't know anything about it. So
she's promised that she's going to go look away and
we'll chat to her about it next week and try
to get a bit more of an understanding. But I,
for one, would like to see the stuff that we
thought was going to end with the election of a
new government. I'd like to see that stuff end, wouldn't you?

(13:53):
By the way, listen changing the subject massively, but have
a listen to this another twist in the Beckonridge case.
Now you'll remember yesterday, remember this case right, This is
the case of the step son and the stepfather who disappeared.
The car went off the cliff and then everybody, nobody
ever heard from them again. Presumably they were dead, but
then everybody was like, but they're not really dead, are they,
because we spotted them into Ireland or some other place

(14:15):
like that. Anyway, there was a twist I told you
yesterday where the chap said that he was the chap
was going to appear in court and say that his
cousin had actually helped them to escape, because the cousin
owned the land where the car went off the cliff. Well, oh, mate,
turned out he said his cousin had talked him afterwards
and said, no, no, don't worry, we'll help them escape. Anyway,
he turned up in court today, said the bloody opposite
turned up. He goes, oh, yeah, nah, cousin didn't say that. Yeah, yeah,

(14:40):
I signed the statement where I said that the cousin
had said that. But actually the cousin didn't stay. Apparently
he just signed a statement without reading his statement, and
what he said was sort of like a little bit
vague and sort of got misinterpreted by whoever took down
his statement, and then he signed it and he didn't
look at it, and now he's got what uh kerfuffle.
He's turned up in court today he had to retract

(15:01):
a statement and then his cousin, who's a Christian, is said,
don't worry, I forgive you for it. But the whole
thing just doesn't that fit. The whole thing feels really weird.
So Annelie Scarr Report has been sitting in on it
and she's gonna have a chat to us about that
after five o'clock, and of course we'll be inceensing a
bunch of people. Barty Party didn't turn up the Privileges
Commission Committee again, did they? It's the second no show

(15:22):
this month. And talk to Thomas Coglin about this when
he talks to us about politics before the end of
this hour, stand By News his next news talks.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
They'd be recamping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

(15:51):
get connected news talks.

Speaker 12 (15:53):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Right, Thomas Coglin. It's going to be with us to
talk politics very shortly, in about ten minutes time, and
Mitch McCann out of the US is standing by for us. Listen,
how about that plan though to chop a road through
the Brindowans. I'm not gonna grumble it. I mean, that
thing's going to be very bloody expensive. Let's be honest
about it. Something like I think it's for the next
couple of decades or something, one dollar out of every

(16:25):
ten dollars that we spend on infrastructure in this country
is going to be on that road. Right There're going
to look at it and you're going to think that
is ten percent of all the money that we're spending
is going to go on that road. And you can
understand why it's going to be expensive because we're going
to have to cut through the brint, will go over
the top of the Brindowans or whatever they're going to do,
not going to go around it. Now, I am not
going to grumble. I'll make you this promise right now.
I will not grumble about that cost and the blowouts

(16:46):
that are inevitable, because I feel like the most important
thing here is that we just get that road open,
get going, and get Northland going, because there's a huge
untapped potential up there north of Auckland just sitting there.
We're not using it properly. So whatever it costs get
up there will pay itself back. Anyway. We will talk
to Northland Regional Counselor Joe Karr about that about ten
past five. Right now, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive well.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Twenty six people have been killed by gunmen in Indian
Administered Kashmir. The Indian authorities have blamed the attack on separatists,
and a local politician says attacks like this are rare.

Speaker 11 (17:21):
We are asking tourists who are coming to Jammu and
Kashmir not to panic. There is peace in the region
and the government is also with us. The incident will
be thoroughly investigated and we need to stay strong and united.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Peter Dutton has promised to get Australia's defense spending to
three percent of GDP and five years if he becomes
the next PM. That's going to cost another twenty two
billion New Zealand dollars across those five years, and the Treasurer,
Jim Chalmers wants to know how Dutton's going to pay
for it.

Speaker 13 (17:47):
They're not saying where the money is coming from. They're
not coming clean on their cups. The coalition had made
forty two billion dollars of promises that they hadn't provisioned
for in the budget overall.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
And finally, an old wives tail has come true for
a man in Washington State in the US. The man
got home for the old wives tail is, if you're lucky,
you should buy a lotto ticket.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
So the man got home from a trip to the
supermarket and realized he didn't have his debit cards, so
he rushed back to the store and lucky for him,
the supermarket workers had held on to it and they
gave the card back to him. And because it was
his lucky day, he thought, yeah, if you're having a
lucky day, buy a lotto ticket. Well, guess what. The
ticket was a winner and he just got himself eight
hundred thousand New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
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Speaker 3 (18:35):
Mitch mccanner's o US correspondent.

Speaker 14 (18:37):
Home, Mitch, Hey, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I'm very well, thank you. So why is Trump standing?
By Pete Haigseeth.

Speaker 14 (18:43):
There are a couple of reasons for this. Donald Trump
is really reluctant to fire hig Seth. One reason is
he doesn't want to give the media. I guess a
scalp or a victory. At least how that's how Donald
Trump is reported to see it. He doesn't want the
media to get a win. And the second reason here
is he doesn't want the chaos in firings that plagued
his first term. If you remember Donald Trump's first term

(19:04):
in office, which is hard to forget, it seemed like
as cabinet secretary or a top official was fired every
second day. In fact, in his first term he fired
a national security advisor a top cabinet official after twenty
two days. So by first term standards, pet Higgseth is
kind of doing pretty well.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Would Trump not want to get rid of him just
by having a quiet chat to him and asking him
to quit.

Speaker 14 (19:28):
It's difficult at this point because Donald Trump has said
from the start that he would not want to get
rid of him, or he is refusing to get rid
of him. In fact, reporters were in the Oval office
yesterday talking to Donald Trump, and he really dunk his
heels in and said he's not going anywhere. In fact,
he said, ask the hoothies how he's doing. In fact,
it's the hoothy rebels that he fired those missiles out

(19:49):
I mean he was discussed in the signal.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
You know what I mean, Mitch, Like, It's one thing
to fire somebody and for it to be seen as
a scalp, but it's quite another thing for Pete higg
Seth to you know, be talked around to saying, look this,
I'm becoming a distraction to the administration and I am
going to stand down because clearly this guy is a liability.

Speaker 14 (20:06):
Yeah, well, he does seem very much like liability. The
problem is that if he asked Higgsy to resign, it
would be obvious that Donald Trump has asked him to
do so because he's dug his hills in so hard.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, And so he's gone and booked himself on Fox
News hoping to kind of, you know, get a soft
interview obviously and get rid of this problem. It's only
made it worse, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (20:25):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 14 (20:25):
He was on Fox and Friends this morning, which is
actually what his previous job was before he you know,
was over seeing three million people at the Department of Defense.
He thought he was going to get an easy interview,
but it was quite difficult. And the reporting here suggests
that many people are not feeling good about it. They
aren't feeling that he did a good job. In fact,
he really dug in on that interview. It lasted quite

(20:47):
some time, and he says this is a media smear
campaign and that no war plans were shared. But I
think the story isn't going to go anywhere, although the
presidency is as I say that he's not going to
sack him.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yea, hey, listen, how is this thing going for Trump?

Speaker 14 (21:02):
Yeah, this is developing pretty quickly. Harvard University has decided
it's going to sue the Trump administration. It actually sets
the stage for a major court battle between America's oldest
and richest university and the White House. This is because
the government decided to freeze a couple of billion dollars
in funding when Harvard refused to comply with a list

(21:22):
of demands from the White House. What were the demands?

Speaker 16 (21:25):
Well, the White House.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
Asked Harvard to reduce the power of students and staff.
It asked it to report foreign students who violate the
Code of Conduct, and it also asked Harvard to bring
it auditors to ensure that Harvard is quote viewpoint diverse.
I think there the administration is worried that many of
these institutions are too liberal, too left leaning, and they

(21:46):
want to be assured that there are conservatives on campus.
Harvard refused, and now it faces two billion dollars in
funding freezes and it's taking them to court.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, and it sounds like, I mean, you tell me
if this is how you read it. But it sounds
like the Trump administration realizes this is problematic because they
want to talk to Harvard and negotiate, but Harvard is
refusing to negotiate, suggesting that they feel pretty keen, pretty
strongly that they can win.

Speaker 14 (22:11):
Yeah, that's right. Harvard sees the government is trying to
gain leverage over the university. It says, this is part
of a pressure campaign. And I think to your point,
the government thought they might have been in for a
win here because so many other universities, high standard universities, folded.
And one of the questions people have is can't Harvard
They'll be fine, won't they because they have so much money. Yes,
they have a lot of money. They've got fifty three

(22:33):
billion dollars in an endowment. That's when the money gets given. Sorry,
the university gets given money from all sorts of places philanthropy.
But the problem there is that more than eighty percent
of that money is restricted to specific uses, so Harvard
can't just go out and spend fifty million dollars. It's
limited to things like scholarships, libraries, and construction programs projects.

(22:55):
So Harvard really does have to fight this.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, Mitch, listen, thanks very much for talking us through that,
which we can our us correspondent Listen. You probably have
seen it by now because it's been news for the
last few hours, but it is worth mentioning because it's
such a big deal. Looks like Donald Trump is going
to back down on those ridiculous Chinese tariffs. He said
there's a White House press conference and he said the
tariffs will come down substantially. Now they won't be zero,

(23:19):
but he has promised he's not going to play hard
ball here, and of course this is being seen as
a backdown and a softening on his position. Now, for
the record, I never believed he was going to Did
anyone else believe he was going to do this? Did
anyone else actually believe he was going to slap China
with one hundred and forty five percent tariffs? I mean,
clearly some people did, because the market's went completely nuts,
But did you really think he was going to do it?

(23:40):
Because I feel like if something sounds like ridiculously crazy,
then maybe we should discount it as be as being
something he's going to do. Because what we need to
understand this is what we should have learned from the
first Trump administration. Clearly no one has, is that the
guy is a blowhard.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
He says a whole bunch and talks big, going to
do all these things, and he doesn't actually do them.
So I think a good policy with Donald Trump would
be that don't that perhaps don't get too excited about
what he says, and maybe get a little bit more
excited about what he does so when he does it,
by all means get angry about it. But if he
just says he's going to do it, just keep you

(24:17):
powder dry. He might not do it. Case in points
seventeen Away from.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
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Speaker 3 (24:25):
Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political Editers of this, Hey, Thomas Heather, Hello,
When Labor goes crying to Daddy and saying the Prime
Minister needs to come and sort out Winston, they do
not for one second believe the Prime Minister is going
to sort out Winston.

Speaker 17 (24:38):
Do they No, I don't think so. In fact, I asked,
I asked Chris Hepkins about this today. Actually he had.
He made the point, look, if the prime minister is that,
you know, as the prime minister, he should treat all
of his ministers equally when they when they get things wrong.
Obviously that's that's good in theory. But the allegations obviously
that Christopher Luxon doesn't treat the act ministers and doesn't

(24:58):
treat the New Zealand First minute is as equally as
he does his own National ministers. And Chris Upkins said,
you know, look, we always, we basically always did that,
and he was actually referring to the time when he
was Prime Minister when of course all the ministers barring
the Green Ones were labor ministers because they were a
majority government. And I seem to recall, you know, under
the under their Don years in that first term, it

(25:20):
wasn't always the case that the that the New Zealand
first ministers were treated equally to the labor ministers, you know,
people like clear current metaphyal he had the book thrown
at them and and sometimes those New Zealand First Ministers.
You know, there's those issues around around the regional flights
and Shane Jones having a bit of a cracket at
the chief Executive of the New Zealand at the time,

(25:41):
Christopher Luxen and and and just sindadun Gave gave the
New Zealand First Ministers a pretty long leash back then,
as I recall. So I think there was a wee
bit of hypocrisy here totally.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Have you heard the rumor that arranz it is going
to have its funding cut in the budget?

Speaker 17 (25:57):
Yes, I have, I have. I've heard. I think this
is been reported a media insider in the Herald. It
looks like they might be looking to take some of
that funding from our insent and putting it put it
into a contestable fund of some sort, maybe an engine
on their style fund, for some of the private media
companies to do other stuff with. I'm not sure exactly
the details of that, but but yes, I have actually

(26:18):
heard that, And so I wouldn't say that if if
there is a funding cut, I wouldn't say that it
would be because of what happened.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
No, no, no, And that's the thing, right, I mean
and this is where labor is really drawing a very
long bow because it's already kind of public. Well, we
already had heard these rumors, it's already going to happen.
So when Winston said it was more like he accidentally
lets something out of the bag rather than he was
threatening them with the funding cut.

Speaker 17 (26:40):
Yeah, precisely. And the way that his words were this morning,
I sort of I felt that he was you could
read them in a certain way that he was saying,
this is why this is happening.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
Rub Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Total.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So how do we feel about this expensive road North?

Speaker 17 (26:53):
Well, look, I have been on the existing road. I'm
not I'm not an Norton do. I live in Wellington,
and I have to say it's it's a it's not
a great not a great road. The first part is
that it's so I can see a statement, right, Yeah, whenever,
whenever we do a story about this road, everyone everyone
loves reading about it. People can't get enough of this road.

(27:15):
It is certainly a very expensive road. I think you know,
we've heard figures are up to ten billion dollars, so
that that might be a bit of a bit of
a problem. You can sort of see some people in
the South Island looking obviously up at Northland thinking hey,
you know, ten billion dollars of paper on roads down south.
But but I don't I have to say I don't
regrudge Northland as Northland as that road that is a

(27:37):
pretty that is a pretty rough stretch of Stay Highway.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Listen, Thomas, I do not get upset anymore about the
Marti Party not turning up at things like the Privileges Committee, right,
because should we not just accept that these people are
the whole the whole point of their party is to
kind of push back against rules. Here they have an
opportunity to do exactly that They're going to do it,
aren't they.

Speaker 17 (27:56):
Yeah, they do seem to operate in a very sort
of TikTok universe, you know, I sort of I sometimes
read a lot of what they do. You know that
they're thinking about how this look on TikTok, how this
look on social media, rather than actually engaging in good faith.
Look that they make some arguments around t kanger in
the House and changing the rules of the House to

(28:18):
be more accommodating. Parliament has an obligation to hear those objections.
But but they're not going to hear them if the
Marli Party aren't actually in the room to make those comments,
and so yeah, I would say, and Labor thinks they
should shot up to their likely coalition partners. So I
think I think it probably would be fear for them
to shotup. It's pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
What's the punishment if they don't show up?

Speaker 17 (28:39):
Well, that they can they the Privileges Committee has very
broad powers. They can they can issue fines, they can
issue punishments of of I think in the in the
in the past that they could actually issue the jail terms,
which I don't think is on the table this time run,
but a long time ago they could do that. I
think they can actually issue fines, doc pay continve with
the House. It is it is a bit of a

(28:59):
week Bustack and you saw it last Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Thomas, isn't this actually exposing the ridiculousness of these rules,
Like it's a convention that people actually behave themselves properly
in Parliament and there's no actual real punishment if you don't.

Speaker 17 (29:13):
Yeah, I mean that is that is that is the
real the real dilemma at the heart of this, which
is that you know, Parliament can only function if one
hundred and twenty MPs agree that they're all going to
act up some of the time. But here's the line,
and if you cross the line, then you know, there's
an acceptance that you sort of stand withdraw and apologize
and come back and too, you know what's permitted. If

(29:36):
one party does regularly behave in the way that's very
disruptive and not within those rules, then that is going
to be a really big problem. So they all need
to the multi party everyone else needs to sort it
out because it won't you know, it won't function if
they can't.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, true, Hey, thank you very much. As always, Thomas,
it's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. Either you miss
the point. If the markets hadn't gone Craig Cray over
Trump introducing the China tariffs, there is no guarantee he
would have backed down. He's so stupid he believes his
own bullshit. That's a fair point. If some people hadn't
taken him seriously, clear the markets took him seriously, And
if the markets hadn't taken him seriously and completely flipped out,

(30:09):
who knows, maybe he would have done it. But so
there's a flaw in my argument there, but I never
took him seriously and look guess what, guess you got
proof right in the end? Well actually, actually, to be fair,
he says he's indicating he's going to back down. He
hasn't back down yet, so I also cannot take him
at his word right now, can I? We'll see what
happens eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (30:33):
The preferred route for the Northland Expressway rather than bypassing
the brin durwins, we're planning to go right over the
top of the transport Minister Chris Bishop, what do you
reckon the chances of a massive blowout?

Speaker 18 (30:43):
Undoubtedly a challenging project, the geology, the terrain, so absolutely
there's a chance that things will slip.

Speaker 16 (30:48):
But that's why we're doing a lot of work right now.
I've been reading about the Hujiang Grand Canyon Bridge. Do
you know about that? Vaguely familiar with it yet? Right so,
it opens in June. It's the world's tallest bridge. They
started building it in twenty two, they're finishing in twenty five.
How can the Chinese build the world's tallest bridge in
three years? And we can't even build a road in
fifteen Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

(31:09):
with a Vida News talk z'.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Be he the why is Northland more important for infrastructure
than any other regions. It's hard to see how Northland's
economy can justify a ten percent of infrastructure spend. Will
that ever be recovered? I doubt it. This has always
been Auckland's holiday highway and little about economic growth. That's
from Paul. I actually, do you know what? Totally disagree
with that? Totally disagree with that. I mean, undoubtedly you

(31:31):
know there will be the Mike Hoss gangs up the
world and the Trishasans up the world have got holiday
homes up there like whatever. I don't really know how, Mama,
I could just be defaming them. But they seem to
love going on that road, don't they love going up north?

Speaker 19 (31:45):
I'm sure trishas sit on here that she loves the
day of islands before.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think think Trish may have a little house up there.
So for some people, absolutely it's going to be it's
going to be a holiday highway. But look, I mean
i'd defy you, okay if you haven't been up North,
go up north and then come back and tell me
if that place looks like New Zealand to you, because
it is just like the underdevelopment of Northland is actually
shocking when you go up there. When I go up there,

(32:10):
I'm like, how did we forget about this place? It's
like everybody else is still in the is in the
twenty first century, and these guys are just having a
rough time up there because it's so bloody hard to
get up there, and it's so expensive to fly into
Kitty Kitty, and I feel but it is one of
the most beautiful parts of this country. I mean, that
place should be full of resorts and all kinds of
like fun things going on in Northland, and it's just

(32:31):
not happening. And I feel like if we spend the
money on this road, we may actually open it up
and start to get the rewards, the economic returns. So
I would say it's not a holiday place, It's not
only a holiday destination. And while it may not economically
be able to justify the spend right now, it will
in time. So let's put the money in and let's
see what happens. I don't think we're going to regret
it at all. Anyway, we are going to talk to

(32:52):
a Northern Regional counselor about that. They'll be with us shortly. Also, jeez,
it's like the seven plagues are happening to Wellington at
the moment. I don't if you read that they've got
the millipedes. They've got the millipedes. They say, it's like
these are a problem. They've come over from Australia. I mean,
first of all, they were, they were They've been cursed
with the council then they were cursed with Tory. Now

(33:14):
that cursed with the millipedes, and of course the weather.
And it's the seven plagues happening there right now. We're
going to go to one of the councilors who can
talk us through what's going on with the millipede. Apparently
we don't we don't recognize them as a pest and
so they're not being eradicated and that there is the
major problem. Anyway. Stand By News Talks theb.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Digging through the spin to find the real story. Sory,
it's Heather Dupasy on drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected News Talks.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That'd be good afternoon. Two days and two twists, in
the case of the disappearance of John Becket and his
steps on Mike Shobeck and Regin. Now what's been called
and what has been called a complete turnaround. A man
who claimed that his cousin told him that they actually
helped the beck and Ridges escape has now retracted his
allegation altogether. Analyiska is a senior crime reporter for the Heroine.
She's been at the hearing. Anna, Hello, Hello, what happened?

(34:17):
How did he retract it?

Speaker 20 (34:19):
Well, we got to court this morning and apparently he
was shown his police statement which he was to read
in court before he was sort of questioned by the
different parties, and he said, oh, no, I didn't say that.

Speaker 16 (34:29):
That's wrong.

Speaker 20 (34:31):
So we had to come into court and he read
through his statement and then said, you know, that's what
the police have in this document. But I didn't say
it and I never said that, and he didn't say
this to me. You know, I signed my police statement,
I signed the typed version. But it's an anomaly. I
didn't say it. I didn't realize so that the Crown

(34:54):
described it as a complete turnaround, and yeah, he then
retracted all the other goations he'd made against his cousin,
his cousin's wife, and other members of the community.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Is this plausible? I mean, is this the first of this,
This the first time he's actually realized what his statement says, Well, it.

Speaker 20 (35:14):
Might have been the first time he's read it in
a while. He would have obviously had to sign, and
he said in court he signed the handwritten statement that
police took from him at his home.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
He also signed the typed version.

Speaker 20 (35:25):
So you know why he didn't notice that these things
were in it that he apparently didn't say. He said
that the cops read his house for four or five hours.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
It became a social occasion.

Speaker 20 (35:37):
They were talking about theories and what could have happened,
and he just the word he used was it was
an anomaly that he didn't notice. The police had recorded
him as saying that. So you know the flip side, obviously,
is the Crown put to him that he was He
was pretty disgruntled his cousin had bought the family farm.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
He thought he was entitled to some of it.

Speaker 20 (35:59):
He wanted his his chunk of it. And this was
you know, him him bringing this to the police into
court was motivated by him wanting, you know, part of
that family property.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Okay, So the cousin who he's implicated here, he also
spoke to the inquest today, did.

Speaker 20 (36:18):
He Yeah, Look, he said that he has never met
Mike Beckenridge or sorry John and Mike Beckenridge. He's never
he'd never heard of them or seen photos of them.
Until it was in the media. He considered that he
probably did have a phone call with his cousin and
he very may well have said something to the effect
of there.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay.

Speaker 20 (36:39):
Now, now that was discussed in court today, and this
this man is he's a pastor in a church, and
it was sort of, you know, all agreed that maybe
what he was meaning was that wherever they are, off
the cliff or otherwise, there with God either way, and
so everybody agreed that if anything was said, that might
have been sort of the flame of it. But he,

(37:01):
you know, he said to his cousin, I forgive you.
I think you've been motivated because you want part of
the farm. You know, I forgive you, but I don't
want anything more to do with you. So it's quite
quite the eventful morning in court.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, wild hey Anna, thanks very much, appreciate it. An
a lease. The Herald Senior Crime.

Speaker 16 (37:19):
Reporter Heather Duel.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
So we know the government's revealed its plans for the
New Northland Expressway today over the brin Durwin Hills. It's
tipped to be one of the country's most expensive infrastructure projects,
with about a dollar per ten dollars spent by the
government on infrastructure projects estimated to be spent on it
for the next couple of decades. Northland Regional Council Chair
Joe Carr calls us a crucial move for the region
and he's with us.

Speaker 21 (37:42):
Hey, Joe, Well, good evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Why a crucial move?

Speaker 21 (37:47):
Oh, it's absolutely vital. We've we've got two really scary
sections of the State Highway between Auckland and fung Array
Dome Valley and the Brindo and we've had it shut
for periods of up to four months. That comes a
huge economic and disruptive costs to the northern community and

(38:09):
it comes to the cost to New Zealand too.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Why the cost of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Well, it's a.

Speaker 21 (38:15):
Huge amount of export product and international tourists are interrupted.
There's a lot of logging traffic that was canceled that
would have gone out from places like Helensville, out through
Northport and it's sort of a reputational cost that people

(38:36):
aren't secure in making decisions to do with holidaying and
investing in Northland. So it's pretty serious stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Now, are you okay with the possibility that it might
be a toll road?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yes.

Speaker 21 (38:53):
I've been on the Transport Committee, Regional Transport Committee since
nineteen ninety eight, mostly on and sometimes off. We got
right behind tolling. Our pert it wouldn't have happened without
a toll and we unreservedly backed tolling it and it
wouldn't happen without it. So you know, we support toll

(39:14):
that they've got to be realistic and affordable, but you
know there's a way. One thing we do question is
this this cost for the Brindo in section. Okay, so
we're looking at sort of six six odd kilometers of
road and if you cost it out at what the

(39:36):
Johnson's Tunnel through the Walkworth costs at fifty thousand a
linear meter, we're only only looking at three hundred odd
million now, so that just gives you an indication we
don't have the extensive viaducts involved. So the figures figures

(39:56):
are being thrown around about the cost of this section.
There's a vital section because we don't have decent detail
routes and it just needs to be done. So we
just we can't determine that the real costs until the
geotechnic investigations are completed. And we've had assurances from the

(40:18):
Minister of Transport, mister Bishrip. We are very appreciative of
these assurances that the geotech crews, when they finished with
the section between Walkworth and Tihana, are going to move
on to this section. So you know, that's great news.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
So look, it's.

Speaker 21 (40:40):
Excellent news today, but we really really want to see
that spade go on the ground.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, absolutely, bet you do. Joe, Thanks very much and
good luck with the Joeka Council, Chair of northand Regional Council.
I said seven plagues on Wellington. Obviously, if you've read
your Bible, it's ten. I got corrected by the Catholic
and the team who told me it's twelve plagues. So
I said seven, he said twelve. We were both wrong.

(41:06):
In fact, it's ten. Thank you to the for the
atheist who co corrected us. So it's not the week
to be upsetting anybody in the Christian faith. It is
a big week for the Christians. Listen, I have to
tell you what's going on with this plan. Well, you're
not going to believe this. Actually, you probably are going
to believe it because weird things happen with government money.
So let me tell you about Plunkett in a minute, Heather,
I totally agree with you on the Northland thing. As

(41:28):
one who drives most weekly, almost weekly from Auckland to
Northland on business, one hundred percent agree the road is
an appalling condition and desperate need of replacement. The people
who criticize Northland as a region I suspect have never
seen the untapped beauty and opportunity that lies beyond Auckland.
Full steam ahead, I say, and you know what I reckon.
A lot of people have been up there will agree
completely with Graham quarter Past heads up. The rsay's annual

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Poppy Day. Heather Dooper cl coming up nineteen past five. Now,
Wellington apparently has a millipede problem. I mean, does anybody
in the country have a milliped problem? No, but Wellington
has a milliped problem, and specifically or Federal Bay and Wellington.
Apparently hundreds of these Portuguese millipedes are scuppling into houses

(42:58):
at night. But the problem is they're not considered a
east in the country, so no authorities are doing anything
about it now. NeuroD and Abdurrahmen is one of the
local ward counselors and he's with us home mate. Oh,
how bad is it?

Speaker 10 (43:11):
It's pretty bad from what I'm hearing from local residents,
and one of the resident explaining she can't work out
at her house without stepping on mini pits and sometimes
coming inside the house.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Oh so what are they coming inside the house? And
then they're dying and overnight and then people find all
these little dead bodies in the morning.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
That is what seems to be happening.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yes, okay, now I mean at this, I mean, you
could tell me if I'm wrong, but it just sounds
to me like it's a nuisance problem. It's not actually
hurting anyone. It's just a bit of a kerfuffle having
to vacuum them up in the morning.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:44):
Well, I think to begin with, I think we need
an epotomologist to tell us if that is a kiss,
and currently we don't have any eptomologists from Greater and
Wadington Regional Council or Wellington City Council. From what I'm hearing,
it's the out of spreading, not only in a firobe
beyond a firo Bay, there are some residents and s
I was get Melros and even an Island Bay. So

(44:08):
this is getting a bit of a big issue.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
And so these things have come over from Australia, but
we haven't considered them a piest. Should they be a
peace Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (44:17):
I think we need to contend it. It's I think
it's if it's impossible to eradicate them, they needs to
be contained. The reason is imagine if people coming to
the Red Rocks taken to other ecologically impactful areas like
Zeelandia or even impacting some of our imports. And MPI,
Department of Conservation, Greater Wellington Regional Council and Wellington City

(44:40):
Council needs to work together and addressing this issue and
before get out of hand.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah too right, You never know what these things can do. Hey,
thanks very much mate, really appreciate it. NeuroD and Abdurahman,
who's a Wellington City Council of five twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
One informed insight into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Eland
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talk
sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
David Siemills announced some more of these ECE regulation changes
that should happen by the end of I think this
year we're going to talk to the ECE Council about
that after half past five. Right now it's five twenty four. Look,
I'm not sure how much praise Chris Luxen thought he
was going to get back here at home for his
announcement yesterday that he's throwing more supported Ukraine. But whatever
he thought, it's been crickets. Hasn't it like complete crickets?

(45:25):
Because I don't know about you, but when I heard it,
my first thought was, what's the point? This war is
completely unwinnable for Ukraine. It was unwinnable last year. Most
people didn't realize it because most people didn't want to
know it. But it was unwinnable then and it's definitely
unwinnable now. If the US walks away from supporting Ukraine,
which looks very possible, the word is, if Zelensky and
Russia don't strike a peace deal in the next few days,

(45:47):
the US is going to bail on trying to find
a solution to peace. And if they bail on that
isn't it possible that Trump bails all together on supporting
the war, because already, according to Zelenski military aid deliveries
from the US have essentially stopped, so you could say
that they're already not supporting the war. Let me tell
you it is not looking good for a peace deal
in the next few days because apparently, according to Leeks,
it may require Ukraine to give up Crimea and about

(46:10):
twenty percent of its territory, and already Zelenski has said no,
they're not going to give up Crimea. Now, does Zelenski
need to be a little bit more realistic about his
country's chances in this war? Let me ask you this, Okay,
is it fair to ask Zelenski to give up Crimea
and that much land? Maybe not? But is there another way?
Because Putin is going to want something in exchange for

(46:31):
stopping the fighting, right, so is there another way? What
is that way? And the only solution you can come
to is that way is putting US boots on the ground.
But then you've got the risk of two nuclear nations
going up against each other and starting World War iie,
do we want that? No, we don't want that. So
then we loop right back around. We need Zelenski to
take the peace deal, don't we If he doesn't, and

(46:53):
he chooses to keep on fighting with Russia. He is
not going to be able to win. He can't win.
For how long do we keep throwing money and resources
at it as a country, Which brings us back to
Luxeon's announcement yesterday. Either the war ends right now, in
which case we don't need to do that stuff and
give them all that resources, or the war continues pointlessly,
in which case do we want to continue to give

(47:13):
them those resources? Forgever do for c Ellen Plunket here
we can. Okay, let me tell you how about Plunket's
vaccination balls up. This is the perfect example of a
waste of money, of our money, taxpayer money, and a
contract that needs to be cut.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I wasn't aware of this because it was done. It
was done on the quiet. But in December last year,
the government gave Plunket one million dollars to vaccinate babies. Okay,
and the point of specifically not just any old babies,
but specifically babies that haven't been enrolled in GP practices,
because if your baby's enrolled in a GP practice, you're
probably already going to go and get the vaccination for

(47:53):
the baby, aren't you, Because you're already going to the doctor,
you're going to get the baby the jab right. So
Plunkett has been given a million dollars to try to
vaccinate babies that haven't been vaccinate or aren't enrolled in
GP practices. By the seventeenth of March, how many babies
had they managed to jab with a million dollars? Fifty
three babies. Fifty three babies for a million dollars, and

(48:16):
how many of those babies were not enrolled in a
GP practice. One So we have spent a million dollars
on jabbing one baby. That baby that jab cost us
a million dollars. Now at this point, I'm like, we're
we're gonna cut this, aren't we aren't we? Well, Plunkets
come back because they get a right response to this
and they go they go, actually, it's not fifty three

(48:38):
as of today, it's seventy six. Oh, that makes it
so much better, Fiona, thanks for clearing that up. Seventy
six babies. I worked it out for you, so you
don't have to at a million dollars for seventy six babies.
Each of those babies is costing US thirteen thousand dollars
to vaccinate thirteen thousand dollars or you could just take

(48:58):
your baby for free to the GP practice and then
Fiona says, the actual number is not the point, isn't
it the Fiona, I think the actual number is the
point anyway. I think we have a classic case here
of money not being spent very well, duplication because you
could just take your baby to the GP get them jabbed,
and Fiona not understanding that numbers are the point. Cut

(49:20):
it ot to see that one gone in the budget.
I'm gonna look for it in the budget and I
want to see it gone. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
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Speaker 6 (49:50):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
So regarding Ukraine, if you're suggesting we reward putting in
a Russia for violating a nation's sovereignty, effectively showing them
that they can pretty much do whatever they want because
they have nuclear weapons, I guarantee you they won't stop
the I'm not saying I think you're missing the point.
I'm not saying you reward them. I'm saying, if you
can't win, do you keep fighting? Anyway, we're going to
talk to huddle about that shortly. It's twenty four away
from six now. Cabinet has agreed to loosen some of
the regulations around the early childhood education. David Seymore's Ministry

(50:14):
of Regulation has done a report on the sector and
made fifteen recommendations for change that Cabinet has accepted Simon
Lobber as the CEO of the Early Childhood Council with us. Now, Hey, Simon, hi,
ever any in particular that you're stoked about or all
of them.

Speaker 15 (50:29):
Well, peeling away things that aren't working and haven't been
working for many, many years as actually really really good
news and it's hard not to get excited about it.
And the only thing that's difficult is we've got to
wait another eighteen months to get that actually done. But
it's great to have a timeline.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
So, I mean, can you explain something to me? It
was One of the things that's going to be repealed
is the requirement for the ECE centers to hold immunization
records for every child of fifteen months. Why are they
doing that anyway?

Speaker 15 (51:02):
Well, there was a time where there was a gap
in health records and nobody, nobody actually knew, so they
put it onto the ECE providers.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
You say, nobody knew whether my child, let's say, at three,
was completely vaccinated, so the ECU guys had to do it.

Speaker 15 (51:17):
Yeah, that's right, a long time ago. Though health records
have improved.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Zeeland has it nowadays, don't they.

Speaker 15 (51:24):
That's right, yep, it's.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
A completely unnecessary thing for them to be doing.

Speaker 15 (51:29):
Yeah, anything that sits outside of Ministry of Education tends
to be forgotten forever.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
So the health.

Speaker 15 (51:35):
There's lots of health things that are just random and pointless.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Why did we require them to maintain a temperature indoors
of eighteen degrees on the dot?

Speaker 15 (51:44):
There was some research done that suggested eighteen degrees was
a good minimum, and I think eighteen degrees is definitely
a good thing to aim for. But as if you
said it as an absolute limit, it's completely impractical.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Oh so it's not. So it's a minimum, not a
constant temperature.

Speaker 10 (52:01):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
It doesn't have to posit in eighteen.

Speaker 15 (52:03):
So that's eighteen degrees in Auckland, and it's eighteen degrees
and in Vicargo, and it doesn't matter what time of
year it is. So it does drive some pretty crazy behaviors.
I've been into centers with giant air curtains and they
have to heat the place so hot it's just unbearable
for the adults.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
What's an air cursion.

Speaker 15 (52:23):
So that's where you can still have a door open.
That's you see them in mauls and.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Now, the NZDI doesn't love it, says qualified teacher requirements
are being watered down, safety criterias being withdrawn, and this
will be a bad idea.

Speaker 15 (52:38):
What do you say, Well, that's not that's not what's
being said. So that's not in the report and that's
not what we're expecting to happen. We expect. Yes, they'll
remove some things, but they'll put in more effective things
in child safety will be enhanced.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Good stuff. Hey, Simon, thanks so much, appreciate it. Simon
Lober Early Childhood Council CEO. It is right now twenty
one away from.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
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Speaker 3 (53:07):
By the way, I should say. Tim Grosser, former New
Zealand Ambassadors to the US, is going to be with
us after six talk about Trump's back down on the
China tariffs with us. Right now, in the huddle, we
have Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q and A,
and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union Highlands.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Jack, what did you make of Winston's tantrum about arn Z.

Speaker 7 (53:27):
I thought it was vintage Winston Peters. That is everything
that the paradox of a politician is. You know, in
one week he's so statesman like when he's traveling the
world meeting with foreign leaders and dignitaries and trying to
negotiate these key positions for New Zealand. The next he
behaves like that. I thought it was pretty unbecoming for
someone who's in the you know whose Deputy Prime Minister

(53:50):
Littlone a MP. I don't think there was anything particularly
difficult about the questions, but I think it probably played
out exactly as Winston wanted it to play out. I mean,
curious that he was being questioned about whether or not
the members bill he's seeking to introduce would be a distraction.
Curious that that would then lead to this right, that
it would lead to that performance this morning, and then

(54:11):
would have the whole country talking like I say, vintage
Winston Peters.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
He knew exactly what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
What rickon Jordan's.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Well, it might be unbecoming, as Jack said, but doesn't
make it wrong. I mean there is you know what
does what he said with are in deed?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Of course it is.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
I mean ourne did live in a different world. They
have absolutely no accountability. They now don't even publish and
refuse to issue what the ratings are for their individual shows.
You know back in the I'm actually a believer in
public service broadcasting, but it does require professionalism and balance

(54:48):
for which are in Jet has now shown it is
simply unable to deliver.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
What was unbalanced about that interview this morning.

Speaker 18 (54:56):
On haven't listened to the interview with the leader of
the opposition for contrast, But look, I.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
Wasn't introducing a contentious bill, was he? I mean he's
gone straight to the to the leader of a party
that is that is introducing what is inevatiy hang.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
On, okay, Jack hanging a check mate? Do you are
you telling me that you have never listened to ring
Z and thought they go a little hard on the
coalition government and and seem to give parties of the
left a bit of a free pass. You've never thought, well.

Speaker 7 (55:28):
I think exactly the office that sometimes applies to you here.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
We don't pay heither.

Speaker 22 (55:37):
The question is the question is.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
Whether or not that interview this morning was was biased.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Jordan, That's not the question with questions Jordan has.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Jordan has just asserted that various problems with Irons and look,
I think some of those criticisms are totally reasonable. I
think it's out raising that those that those public rating
those ratings shouldn't automatically be public. However, I think that
interview and listening to it this morning was entirely reasonable.
I think Corn Dann is an excellent interviewer, and honestly,
I'll stand upon people, Jack and to ask reasonable questions

(56:12):
with politicians.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I don't think that is what we're discussing. What Winston
has accused Aaron Zov as being woke left right, and
if you listen to it over a period of weeks
or months or even days, it's very hard not to
come to the conclusion that he may have a point
that set aside that one single interview, but as a
pattern of interviews, he has a point, doesn't it well?

Speaker 7 (56:31):
His behavior is responding to one single interview. That's how
he blew up on here. That's what led to him
making his social media posts. I thought the interview I
listened to was entirely reasonable, and I think that as
someone who I know values like journalistic quality said that
you should be standing up for someone.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Shut up.

Speaker 6 (56:50):
You're avoiding the point, jordan't go, you go bring poor
Jack's been in the gun and on this the thing
when Willie Jackson there to get you and that's not fear.
I agree with that, and to be frank, I didn't
think the interview with Winston Peters this morning was actually
that bad. But fundamentally there is clearly a problem at Arinez.
I know it from the way that my staff for treated.

(57:12):
I had some slack messages leaked to me when the
Taxpayers Union was asked on to Morning Report, where the
journalists inside ourne saying, oh, the Taxpayers Union are in
the lobby. I mean they just done take a take

(57:33):
a view that, oh, well, you know, we can't possibly
dictate anything in the newsroom or selection of stories or
things like that. Well we wonder why that they look,
they wonder why they're losing the public's trust. The professionalism
that required that balance or newsrooms reflecting society simply does

(57:53):
not apply. And they're almost proud to be campaigning. That
is the fundamental change. And the question is, and the
Canadians are quite right. I mean, the mainstream Canadian center
right party is going to the election in a week's
time literally in their manifest though, to defund the CBC,
the equivalent of Radio New Zealand, because they argue, and

(58:16):
I think it's perhaps time for us to have that discussion.
In New Zealand that required to have some ads, so
you actually have to publish your ratings and you actually
have to hold the audience with you, rather than simply
have a free lunch as aren Z does and play
to Arenz aren Z Land only that that has to

(58:37):
come to an end.

Speaker 7 (58:39):
I think though, and obviously we're arguing in slightly different
points here. My point is that is that the incident
that has triggered this debate was an interview that Winston
Peters labeled as being unfair, although in much more colorful language,
and I think it was an entirely reasonable interview, reasonable.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Interviewer address that No, no, but I mean, okay, I
love Coran is Coran is one of the nicest men
you will ever meet. But Kran started that out being
a bit of a dick, didn't he.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I agree, Well he did because he said to Winston said,
can I ask a question? And Koran said, I'm the
one who's asking questions here, and that's my three year
old sounds ago. I'm the one who's asking questions hair
and only fronterrelevant And it was just it was just
a prickly and so I can. I'm not really surprised
that it went the way it did, are you, Uh no.

Speaker 7 (59:29):
Because I think this is Winston Mots random.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
Yeah, I mean I think this is break.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I have got to take an ad break because we
are not funded by Okay, Aaron said, You're welcome. We
are not funded by the text brayer hanging a teck.
Just you two don't go anywhere. Fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 3 (59:53):
Back with the Huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams. Listen, Jordan,
you're keeping an eye on this business with the co
governance and the White Tuckety Rangers.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
Ye, your interview with your good mate Richard Hill's earlier,
and I'm not for a moment suggesting that he's being sneaky,
but he is wrong with his claim that around access
that would ultimately be the decision of the council. What
is being proposed, make no mistake, is a co governed
management of the park. You can't have it both ways.

(01:00:23):
I mean, look, reason minds can differ on the sort
of stuff, but I'm of the view that either it
should be council controlled and democratically accountable, or ownership should
be handed over as part of a treaty settlement. This
sort of weird, horrible in between co governance stuff where
no one's happy it does. Race relations are disservice. I

(01:00:44):
think we can hear the next baby and this sort
of misleading of the public of what it means is
what happened with the volcano Cones in Auckland. And I'm
sad to say and not that. Actually, I think the
Script Democracy Action has a point, and I think that

(01:01:05):
it's damn good of them to raise this issue before
it's too late.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yep, better to know it. Okay, So, Jack, do you
have the baby in a front pack.

Speaker 7 (01:01:12):
Yeah, he's snoring a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
He's soring a little bit. Well, he scoring the whole huddle,
and I've been I didn't want to draw attention to it, but.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
Especially if you reposition him slightly a little mate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
How long has he been sleeping?

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Probably forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I just wanted to give us.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Yeah, I'm wandering around on the summer and make the
twerpo because I had to leave the car because my toddler.
Toddler and five year old agoing bananas and it is
freezing here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Have you, Jordan left them in the car by themselves.

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
Mom's in the car. Car, It's okay, it's okay. Possibly
you'll produce. It would kill me if if I left her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
In the lurch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Totally listen, Jack, I just want you to take really
quickly on this. What do you think of pumping more
money into the Ukraine War given that the thing is
clearly just it's a lost cause.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
Well, I really hope it's not a lost cause. And
if we've seen anything in the war so far, it's
actually that sometimes the wisest expert predictions about the course
of the war turned out to be one hundred percent wrong.
That being said, Look, I don't actually think New Zealand's
financial commitment is all that substantial at the moment. I
think it is really important that we stand up for

(01:02:33):
country's sovereign rights for democracies, and I think it's really
important that we are aligned with similarly minded countries for
the time being.

Speaker 18 (01:02:40):
So I've got no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Problem with it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Children are one of your take because I know that
you're a tight world with the old tax payment.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
Yeah, I've actually got a staff who thinks that defense
is a waste of money, for which even I really
scratch my head at that. It's both morally right and
diplomatically has advantageous to be in with the with with
Europe for how long? And well, I mean well, I mean,
of course we'll want it to end. I saw that

(01:03:08):
in the prep notes with US that was saying, you know,
what's the point of putting money and when they're going
to lose anyway? But it's actually all now about the
negotiation position.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Surely, yep, but they are going to lose, aren't they
if they keep fighting?

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Do we accept Well, if you've got Trump saying that
you know you can have what you've bitten off mister
Putin will Yes, Yeah, from Ukrainian's point of view, that
is a loss, but it's better to stop losing more lives.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yesose. So hey, listen, guys, thank you so much. Jack,
best of luck with the sleeping baby. There's Jack Tame
and Jordan Williams a hudle this evening, go away from six.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
It's five away from six. Listen. As I was saying before,
after six o'clock, we're going to have a chat to
Tim Grocer. Tim Grosser was the former New Zealand Ambassador
to the US, and he will undoubtedly have some view
on Donald Trump doing this big backdown on the China
tariffs and also what we're gonna look and on the
tariff situation. Not every business out there is having a

(01:04:10):
complete storm at the moment right. It's not sell sal
Cell for absolutely everybody. Milford Acid Management is going to
talk us through some sectors that are actually having a
really good time. We have a chat to Stephanie Steph
Stephanie Bachelor from Melford Acid Management before the half hours through,
Before we get to half past five. There's a real look.
I know this has had a little bit of discussion today,

(01:04:30):
but I just want to raise this very quickly. Right,
this is the business of the on Cause, because I'm
sure that some I'm I'm sure I heard Tim Roxburgh
talking about this on the program earlier when he was
on before me, because Jenny Mortim has done a thing
in the Herald and she's written about on Calls, and
basically what she said is that on Cause when you
go to a concert, just suck, right, and we just

(01:04:52):
got to get rid of them because you just you
know it's coming. You know that everyone's going to go through,
and then they're going to leave some of the bangers
towards the end, and they're gonta walk off stage. I
guess it's performance, got to walk off stage, and we've
gotta go yay, and I've gotta come back on and
do the performance, and you know, do the last few
of the bangers, and it's just a pointless exercise when
somebody actually produced. Laura was pointing it out to me

(01:05:13):
that cold Play, when they did their awesome shows last year,
just came out, did all the songs left by that
was the end of it and there was no OnCore.
Now Jenny Mortimer is calling for all modern artists to
just kill the encore. It's a lovely idea because I
would agree with her entirely. On calls do suck, don't they?
I hate it. I hate sitting they're having to clap
my hands like a like. I don't know, just it's

(01:05:34):
just stupid waiting for them to come back on. However,
saying that something sucks and then actually managing to get
rid of it, those are two completely different things. And
if we're completely honest about it, when it's not gonna happen,
is it? Because unfortunately, you expect an encore now, don't you,
Because if you go, if you got Toto playing tonight,
I'm gonna go to Toto. Actually just checked out their

(01:05:55):
set list, song number sixteen, last of It, Africa and
before that, hold the line. What do you think their
on call is going to be? They're gonna play all
those songs. They're going to play a number fourteen, I'll
supply the Love, and then I don't even know what
that song is. They're gonna walk off. We're gonna they
can play Africa, will hold the line, and they're gonna
come back on and play Africa and hold the line.
Guarantee you. I'll tell you tomorrow if that's what happens,

(01:06:16):
and we're all gonna think it sucks. But if they
don't do that and then they wander off after Africa,
we're going to be like sat it because we all
expect it, don't we. So anyway, I don't know how
you get out of that. I totally agree it does suck.
On calls on calls are I'm you know what, Yeah,
I'm trying really hard not to swear because I just
want to say, it's shit, isn't it it shit? Isn't
it go on? Cause a shit? It's creating the music out? Well,

(01:06:40):
what can you do about it? Anyway? What I told
you that whole story just so I could show up.
I'm going to Toto tonight without a word of a lie.
The news took said, Beck's the.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Even in coming up in the next hour. Rugby has
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quite well. And Gavin Gray's with us out of the
UK seven past six. Now it looks like Donald Trump
is laying the groundwork for a climb down from his
massive tariffs on the Chinese, as they are obviously sitting
at one hundred and forty five percent. Speaking earlier today,

(01:07:29):
he said one hundred and forty five percent is very high.
It won't be that high. It'll come down substantially, but
it won't be zero. And this comes after the US
Treasury Secretary says he expects a de escalation in the
very near future.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Tim Grosser is the former New Zealand Ambassador to the USA.
Tim Hi heallo, How mental is this situation? Do you think,
on a scale of one to ten, how mental?

Speaker 8 (01:07:52):
I would love to have been in the Great Hall
of the People to watch President's expression a few hours
ago when he was told this piece of news. And
it reminds me when I found out because I've been
on the road today, I've just found out what he
said of advice I got as a very young official
from a very distinguished news in on diplomat who'd said
to me, you know, the best negotiators in the world

(01:08:14):
of the Sarmonans, because you put a proposition to the
Sarmonans and they sit there and they look at you,
and they don't say anything. And what you then do
is you immediately change your negotiating position. So I think,
you know, the Chinese and the Simons are probably trained
in the same basic schools of human reality. They just
do nothing while people keep shifting their positions around them.

(01:08:36):
I mean, I just do not know what on earth
the president thinks is now going to unfold, having created
this level of certainty and uncertainty once before somebody else,
that else was interviewing. I remember the old children's nursery
rhyme about the Grand Old Duke of York. Think President Trump,

(01:08:56):
the Grand Old Duke of York. He had ten things,
thousand men, He climbed them up to the top of
the hill, and he climbed them down again. In other words,
who the hell can deal with this situation? And the
answer is nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
What do you think happens? I mean, where do you
think Trump realistically ends up with the China tariffs?

Speaker 8 (01:09:17):
Well, we're dealing here with what Marxists would call a
real unresolved contradiction what his objectives are. You cannot use
high tariffs on, declar trade war on all the countries
in the world, and in particular on China, because you

(01:09:38):
want to create manufacturing and new jobs and get the
US back to where they were in nineteen fifty. If
at the same time you're saying no, I just use
this as a negotiating point, because no American will invest
in those new industries if they think they can be
negotiated away tomorrow. So we're actually dealing with a complete

(01:09:58):
contradiction in what the objective is. And I think in
this situation most people will just do nothing. They will
sit on their hands.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Well, there, you'd be wise to sit on your hands,
because you hardly know what question. Did you at any
point though this look I was saying earlier in the program.
With Donald Trump, we often judge him on what he
says he's going to do, and that seems like a mistake.
What we should be judging him on is what he
ends up doing, because most of the time all of
the stuff is just him being a blowhard. Right, did

(01:10:30):
you ever for one second, believe he really was going.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
To do this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Well.

Speaker 8 (01:10:36):
I mean, he has implemented ten percent tariffs. Admittedly that
was a massive climb down from the White House lawn
liberation day. You may record when you put on massive tariffs,
including sort of absurdities like fifty percent tariffs on the
Soto for God's sake, and then immediately reduce them again.
But we do know that he has done something which

(01:10:58):
is screw up the Internet trading system. And this still
leaves unresolved the central issue I was saying to a
few people earlier today, you couldn't run something as simple
as the tiny New Zealand economy if every business person,
including your radio station, thought the underlying rules that affect

(01:11:20):
their business decisions could change radically day by day. You
could not run this little economy called out on that basis.
You certainly can't run an international economy on that basis.
So we still leave the big the mother of all
questions behind us, which is or in front of us,
which is, how are we going to manage international trade

(01:11:41):
without a system of rules and norms?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:11:44):
I think the answer to that is, first of all,
nobody else, the United States is the pre eminent power.
There's no doubt about that, and the guarranteur in the
our seventy five years of the open trading system, but
it's weated a whole set of countries that actually do
believe in having a rules based system. The United States

(01:12:05):
is not having other people following them down this rat hole.
So the Prime Minister will have had a discussion in
London twenty four hours ago with Keir Starmer. He will
have other discussions with other leaders. They all agree on
the need for a rule spased trading system. So it's
the United States has to finally define its position in

(01:12:28):
relationship to the rest of the world, not just the
rest of the world has to define its position relative
to the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Tim, Thank you always appreciate your expertise. Thank you so
much for talking to us. Tim Grosser, former New Zealand
Ambassadors to the US and staying on the US Elon
Musk has announced he's going to cut back on doing
the Doze work and go back to working a little
bit more on Tesla. Tesla's reported twenty percent drop in
revenue for the first quarter of this year compared to
the same period last year, and obviously the profits fell
by more than seventy percent of things aren't looking flash.

(01:12:56):
So Mask has said his time allocation to DOGE would
drop significantly starting next month, and he'll only spend one
to two days working on DOGE as long as the
President wants him too, and he's got something useful to do,
and so on and so on. I'm reading this, I mean,
I don't know about you. It could simply be that
it is it is struggling to balance his time, but
it could also be that he's realizing that getting involved

(01:13:18):
in politics was not a smart move. And I'm reading
this as just another example of why you should stay
out of politics if you're not involved in politics in
the first place, you know. I mean, we say this
often about businesses like bud Light getting involved in the
trans ads business, or the sports players like the football
players getting involved with the rainbow arm bands, or any
other example. But here's a case from business where Elon Musk,

(01:13:39):
a businessman, has decided to involve himself myself in politics,
and it has gone very badly for him. Right there
are a lot of people who are very angry who
own his cars, who do not like the politics of
Donald Trump. And it seems to me politics is like,
this is about choosing sides, right. You pick one side,
you're going to annoy the other side. Pick the other side,
you're going to annoy the other side. So better just
stay out of it all together. Another example fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Now we're going to talk to Rob Nicol from the
Players Association, the Rugby Players Association after half past six
about this new tool where they can diagnose brain injuries.
Right now, it's seventeen past six. Now, a little bit
of a brew ha ha is developing about the Reserve
Bank's independence. Critics have raised concerns that the bank's temporary
governor and chair might be acting to please Nikola Willison.
Janative Trainee's the Herald's Business Edit room with us Agana.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Hey, Heather, what does it look like to you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Does it look to you like political interference? Or is
it simply that these guys at the Reserve Bank have
reached the same conclusion as Nikola Willison, myself and various
other people that they need to do something about the
capital requirements.

Speaker 22 (01:14:47):
Well, I don't think I think that would be a
stretch to say there's political interference, but I think it
is just worth noting that a couple of the key
people who are in charge of the Reserve Bank at
the moment, in terms of the board chair and the
acting Governor, they have you know, potential conflicts of interest.
So share Neil Quickley. He's also the vice chancellor of

(01:15:09):
Waikato University and the university is trying to get the
government to fund a medical school. So it's in Neil
Quigley's interest to be on side with the government. It's
also in Christian hawksby the acting government. It's on his
best interest to be on side with the government because
he might want to be the governor, he might want
to be appointed to that role, so that, you know,

(01:15:30):
I just think it is worth pointing out those two things.
It would be a step too far to say that
they are definitely acting in a way that is intentionally
to please the government. Now in terms of the two
issues that are at the issues that we're talking about
here are that after Adrian all left, the Reserve Bank
decided it would in fact review its bank capital rule.

(01:15:52):
So that's the way it regulates banks that aligns with
what the government wants. The government also announced after Adrian
Or left that the Reserve Bank wouldn't be getting as
much funding as it requested from the government.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Is it sustainable for these guys to be in the
positions that they are in the long term or even
in the medium term, given the fact that there are
these conflicts of interest.

Speaker 22 (01:16:17):
Well, it is interesting because the Finance Minister, Nichola Willis,
had the opportunity to appoint another chairman to the board
of the Reserve Bank, but she decided to reappoint Neil Quiggley,
and she did that with the context of the medical
school there. So I suppose the decision was made that

(01:16:37):
that was a good appointment in Nichola Willis's eyes. That
was also an interesting appointment because she'd been so critical
of Adrian Or and Neil Quiggley had been a backer
of Adrian Or. So some Reserve Bank observers thought that
was an interesting decision by Nikola Willis in terms of
Christian hawksby arguably he is the right person to be

(01:16:59):
doing the job at the moment. Previously he was the deputy,
now he's the acting He's well positioned to step in,
so so I wouldn't go so fast to say that
that's a bad decision. I wouldn't say that at all.
His experienced and it's probably better than getting someone else
in at this point. But I think there is value
in just recognizing some of the you know, some of

(01:17:22):
the other interests there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Interesting. Hey, Jenae, thanks very much, really appreciate you talking
us through a generative trainee. The Herald's Wellington Business at
at twenty past.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Six, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business
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Grow your wealth, protect your future US talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
He can you please ask what the six hundred staff
at the rbn Z do. Six hundred and sixty actually,
and I don't think I think that number is going
to come down now that they've had the funding denied,
the twenty five percent increase that they were after. Right
now it's six twenty three. Now, with markets as volatile
as they are and with the headlines so negative, you'd
be forgiven for thinking that every company out there is
gone down this year. Not the case at all. Stephanie
Bachelor is from Milford Asset Management has deaf hy here that.

Speaker 23 (01:18:06):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I'm very well, thank you. Now tell me which parts
of the share market have been doing well despite the
sell off.

Speaker 23 (01:18:13):
Yes, So, if we look across the different sectors that
make up the global share market, the best performing one
has been consumer staples, So this sector is up about
ten percent year to date versus the broader global share
market being down about five percent, so it's about a
fifteen percent outperformance. And then other sectors that have held

(01:18:33):
up better areas like utilities and infrastructure as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
What is the consumer staples company? I mean, do I know?
Do I know any of these companies?

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:18:42):
So consumer staples companies are sort of exactly what they
sound like. You know, they're companies that sell core goods
that consumers need and can't really live without, you know, food, diffridges,
household products like toilet paper, toothpaste, all companies that provide
the essential service like supermarkets. So one example is a

(01:19:02):
UK consumer health company called Hallion. So you might not
have heard of the company, but I'm pretty sure you'll
know it's products. They sell brands like Panadol, Voltaire and
Censordine Centrum, as well as manymore.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Yeah totally, So why are they doing so well during
the volatility.

Speaker 23 (01:19:20):
Yeah, so when there's a lot of uncertainty in markets,
investors tend to shift towards consumer staples companies because they
know that they're going to be more resilient during a downturn,
because you know, there categories that people can't not buy.
And then within consumer staples there are subcategories. So one
of these is consumer health, which HALion falls under, and

(01:19:41):
these are even more resilient, So they come in just
after pet food in terms of sort of macro resiliency.
So you can think of them like the staple of staples.
And you know it's because when when we're sick or
thinking about our health, we become quite loyal to certain brands.
You know, we want to stick with what we know
and trust rather than switching it up just to save

(01:20:02):
a few dollars. And there's also less competition in the space.
So in food and beverage, new competitors are popping up
all the time, and snack foods or energy drinks, but
in consumer health there are a lot of regulatory barriers
to entry, so it sort of stops that from happening.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
And then how are they going to be impacted by
the tariffs.

Speaker 23 (01:20:22):
Yeah, so Haleyon is a little bit more protected from
tariff's relative to other companies. It's a UK company, and
it has about a third of its revenue generated in
the US, but about eighty percent of those products are
produced domestically so they're not subject to tariffs, and then
the remaining twenty percent imported. And it also has a
very high growth margin structure, so that limits the impact

(01:20:45):
from tariffs a little bit as well. But there you know,
there are other consumer staples companies that aren't so lucky.
So for example, Remi Quantro, which sells cognac and other
spirits from Europe and to the US. It's also classed
as a sum a staples company, but because it imports
about ninety percent of its US products, it's a it's

(01:21:06):
at risk of a big tariff hit, and even more
so because Trump has threatened outsized tariff of two hundred
percent on European alcohol as a retaliation to their tariff
on US whiskey. So as a result, Remy is actually
down more than the global shehre market this year. It's
down fifteen percent, whereas hally On is up nine percent

(01:21:28):
in US dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Yeah, it's really interesting stuff. Steph, thanks for talking through it.
Appreciated that Stephanie Bachelor Milfit Asset Management. Hey, by the way,
I don't I mean, I think I'm probably interested in
this because she's she's one, she's our girl. But Lord has,
in fact, I don't know if you've been keeping an
eye on this, but Lord has actually turned up at
that New York park to play the song to the crowd.
What happened was that she'd said something on the Insta

(01:21:51):
or the socials or whatever, and she'd said to them
to meet her in the park, and they figured out
what the park was, and she's going to play the
new single. And then there were too many people in
the Coppers showed up and they said, nay, you can't
be doing this, and then try to make them all dispersed.
But I don't know what happened, But some hours passed
and then Lord turned up and she jumped on a
table and she played the song from a spit. She
didn't sing, She's danced on the table for them, in

(01:22:15):
front of them, and it was and they got what
they wanted and it was a happy day in the
eNB You go, I'm going to talk to the rav
Players Association about the head injuries tool just coming up
next news talks, e'db.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Hey, if you're excited about that road north over the
brindurwins well. I don't want to do international comparisons, but
Gavin Gray out of the UK is going to tell
us about this road that they're building in Scandinavia. That's
just going to blow what we're doing out of the water.
So stand by. He'll be with us in around about
ten minutes time. Right now, it's twenty five away from
seven now. A new tool has been launched to help
current and former rugby players diagnose whether they have brain

(01:23:05):
injuries from head knocks. The New Zealand Rugby Players Association
and World Rugby and New Zealand Rugby have launched the
Brain Health Service. It's going to collect brain injury data,
connect people with doctors to get a clearer indication of symptoms.
Rob Nickel is the CEO of the Players Association. Hey, Rob,
good afternoon, So how does this work is a player
sits down in front of the computer and just answers

(01:23:26):
a bunch of questions.

Speaker 18 (01:23:28):
Yeah, and look, I've actually done it, so I can
talk first time experience here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
But you basically you do.

Speaker 18 (01:23:34):
You go online, you register, and then you go through
a series of questions that you answer. It takes around
about thirty minutes. I have to say, it's incredibly thorough,
not unlike the questions you would answer if you went
to a proper in person europsychologist. Assessment covers all aspects
of I guess, your history associated with contact sports, but

(01:23:54):
more importantly your sleep, your mood, you know, alcohol, smoking,
all the kind of screening things you would expect if
you're doing a sort of a well rounded screen health
check on someone.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Really thorough.

Speaker 18 (01:24:07):
And then that report itself goes off to a neuropsychologist
who assesses it and also.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
An algorithm that has been developed.

Speaker 18 (01:24:15):
That assesses it as well, and those results are compared,
rationalized and then sent sent on to a neuropsychologist for
you to have an appointment with.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
And then what does neuropsychologists do with that information once
they've got the appointment booked?

Speaker 18 (01:24:31):
Yeah, and this is the part that's a little bit
daunting because you've got to sit in a one on
one zoom call basically or a video call, and you
go through a series of eleven different tests. It takes
about thirty minutes. You've got to really concentrate, you can't
be distracted, and you go through those tests and they're
all the kind of people will be familiar with accounting

(01:24:52):
numbers two, five, eight and then backwards type thing, but
there's also diagrams as memory recall. It's all the different
modes that you it expect to be tested on. You
complete that test over a period of thirty minutes, and
then those results are taken off and assessed. It's important
to note actually all these assess are developed by independent
expert bodies, so not developed by World Rugby or ourselves

(01:25:14):
or anything. They're all world renowned best practice. And then
those tests are assessed. A reporter is prepared and then
that's sent back to yourself and your general practitioner or
your family health provider depending on which country and which
terminology you used. And then you're prompted and your support
person is prompted to make sure you make an appointment

(01:25:35):
with your general practitioner, go sit down and go through
the test results, and the test results cover where you're
at from I guess a neuro health or a brain
health perspective as much as anything. Whether it's a dementia
screening tool, and it's an advanced form of dementia screening,
but it also really importantly in something we find really beneficial.

(01:25:56):
It's a general health screening process. So when you go
to GP, you'll get the full blood pressure checks, et cetera,
et cetera. So we can see a lot of benefits
for anyone. Frankly doing this kind of thing. For our
professional player base, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Yeah. So predominantly the point is to figure out, if
you're not playing anymore, whether you are actually at risk
of getting dementia, but if you are playing, whether you
need to really think seriously about whether you can handle
any more head knocks.

Speaker 18 (01:26:20):
Right, Well, the starting point is for those that are
currently playing, it's a great way to get an independent
baseline assessment or where you're at from a euro or
a brain health perspective. But it's also a fantastic education tool.
So it emphasizes there's fourteen different modes. They basically say
your factors that can impact on brain health you from sleep,

(01:26:41):
smoking and drinking, excess weight, all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
So you get a really good.

Speaker 18 (01:26:45):
Education session on if you want to look after your
brain health, whether you're professional athlete or not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
He goes all the ways and things that you should be.

Speaker 18 (01:26:52):
Conscious of and doing that from agea thirty forty. That's
really important if you're a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Rugby planer now, if you're a rugby plan now, or
even if you're retired rugby player. Right with all the
chat that we've got about head injuries and stuff, shouldn't
these guys already be doing this stuff themselves, And if
they are already doing the stuff themselves, this announcement from
you guys, I mean a cynic would say, you're just
doing this to look like you're doing something because the
legals are coming at Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:27:16):
No, well, I mean paraphasthect the league was aren't cooming
at us, So we're not doing it for that reason.
We just want to you know, we've got a lot
of players that have played first class stropy in this country,
and if all of them were to somehow be made
an appointment with the neuropsychologists and done a proper in
personal assessment in New Zealand. I think we'd overrun the industry.
So this is a really smart way for the future

(01:27:38):
to be to allow players to go into the screening
level and be rated. They've done one hundred and eighty
players so far in Ireland, Wales, Pubdominantly Island and Wales,
a little bit in Scotland and South Africa and now ourselves.
And of those one hundred and eighty, I think you're
talking low single figures in terms of the ones that
have required follow up, follow up intensive treatment, which is

(01:28:02):
about the rate of the general population. I think something
to note here here there is where we get the
concussion and we get the head injury side of contact sport.
And we know there's so much research out there and
information out there, but none of it kind of makes
sense and from a player's leans, it's really confusing and
when you presented with something like that, that causes anxiety

(01:28:23):
and it plays on your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
It's just the reality of it.

Speaker 18 (01:28:25):
If you've had a career in professional rugby and you're
reading all the stuff that's out there at all contradicts
it's all over the show, it's hard to make sense
of and that breeds some anxiety. What we have here
is we have a mechanism where the player can take
back a bit of control, go in and get proper
top line europsychologists and assessments and things like that, and

(01:28:46):
get peace of mind, or modify some of your lifestyles
or whatever you might do to give yourself a better
outcome in terms of your long term brain health.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
And the other point that I would make, and this applies.

Speaker 18 (01:28:56):
To everyone, dementia has been identified as probably the numb
one medical and social issue.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
The world is facing.

Speaker 18 (01:29:04):
The rights of dementia as we age, as the population
are going to be significant. And we've always sort of
most people if you asked to say, oh, well you've
been labeled, you've got you've got dementia? Can you do
anything about it? And a number of people think you can't,
But that's not the truth. You know, what I learned
yesterday and the presentation and reading all the material is
you can reduce your risk of dementia and the complications

(01:29:25):
through each way up to fifty percent by following a
whole lot of common sense things around brain health.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
And so we want that to be.

Speaker 18 (01:29:32):
Known to the players as well. Players are really good
at following programs. They're really good at following instructions, and
if it's thirty or forty, they're starting to show you
a little bit of vegas or issues, or are really
wanting to be proactive around managing their brain health. Out
of this they'll get a damn good inside and a
whole lot of good ideas of what they can do
to manage it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Rob, good to talk to you. Thank you so much
for taking the time. That is Rob Nichol, the CEO
of the Rugby Players Association. It is coming up seventeen
away from seven, crazing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
The numbers and getting the results. It's hitherto for Sea
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Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
It'd be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
It's called it to seven and Devin gray as are
UK correspondent. Hey Gevin, hi there? So have they moved
the body already? Popa antis's body?

Speaker 12 (01:30:21):
Would you to get that now? In about another quarter
of an hour, so the crowds have already begun to
arrive at Saint Peter Square. They are allowed in a
short time ago. And so the Pope's body that has
been laid out of his residence Casa Santa Marta, where
he lived for his twelve year papacy, is now to

(01:30:42):
be moved in at the top of the hour, really,
and that'll be taken to Saint Peter's Basilica amid high
ceremony and the funeral, of course we now know, will
take place at the Vatican on Saturday. So we now
have three days for people to pay their respects. And
indeed it is said that tens of thousands, if not
hundreds of thousands of pilgrims are making their way to

(01:31:04):
the Vatican City in order to pay their respects to
the pope. Of course, is death affecting one point four
billion baptized Roman Catholics.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
And now you know, while all.

Speaker 12 (01:31:15):
That ceremonies underway, Heather, of course, we also get the
debate the College of Cardinals meeting in the conclave in
the Sistine Chapel in order to look at their vote
for preferred candidates, and big questions here, perhaps with eighty
percent of them appointed by Pope Francis himself, which is
very rare, perhaps electing a pope for the first time,
they may go for somebody who's not European. They might

(01:31:38):
go for an Asian or an African pope, and that
is a decision that will be made over the coming days.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Now, listen, what's the point in publishing the nationalities of criminals?

Speaker 12 (01:31:48):
Well, because it's been a very contentious topic here in
the UK. Currently, if you are sentenced to twelve months
or more in prison and you are a foreign national,
you are then subject to automatic deportation. I say automatic
because there's an endless line of appeals one field sometimes
which prevents this from happening. And the Home Secretary of

(01:32:09):
the government has the power to deport people who receive
a shorter sentence if they decide that their presence in
the UK is not conducive to the public good. But
exactly how many foreign offenders are awaiting deportation with The
answer is nineteen thousand, and that's up from eighteen thousand
when the government's changed back in July. And this was

(01:32:30):
a pledge of the new government to get this system
sorted out. And so the government now saying yep, we're
able to publish this data for the first time about
the nationalities and the numbers of foreign criminals in the
UK has been welcomed by many and certainly by the
previous government, although one would also point the finger at
them and say well, why weren't you doing this as well.

(01:32:51):
It's long been thought that because they aren't publishing the figures,
they're trying to sort of hide the truth from people
to know how many in this country that shouldn't be.
But we're now going to get these figures and it
is expected that three nationalities for foreign criminals living in
the UK in the community are going to be topped
by Albanians, Romanians and Poles, and are understood that most

(01:33:16):
common offenses were for the production of drugs, theft, robbery
and acts of violent assault.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Kevin, have you had a look at this tunnel being
built in Scandinavia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
I have.

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
It's pretty impressive. So it's going to run for eighteen kilometers.
It's the fermh Belt Tunnel and it'll be the world's
longest prefabricated road and rail tunnel. But look at the
timescale on this heather. The agreement between Denmark and Germany
those are the countries it's connecting, was signed in two

(01:33:47):
thousand and eight. There was then a huge environmental protest
about it, and the legal challenge eventually was dismissed. In
twenty twenty and now some seventeen years on since it
was agreed, they are a sort of starting work on it.
They have already done, to be fair some bits at

(01:34:08):
either end. But this idea that you're going to build
something using prefabricated sections is what makes this very, very different.
So that eighteen kilometers will be the world's longest prefabricated
road and rail tunnel be a remarkable feat of engineering,
because of course you've got to link up by the
millimeter the exact sections of tunnel that you're doing. Each

(01:34:32):
two hundred and seventeen meter long and forty two wide
chunk of this thing is going to be with reinforced
steel casting concrete. But most underwater tunnels, including the fifty
kilometer Channel tunnel connecting France and England, burrow through bedrock
beneath the sea floor. Here instead, ninety individual elements will

(01:34:54):
be linked up piece pipe piece like lego bricks. Quite extraordinary,
but it will slash travel times between Copenhagen in particular
and the rest of Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Amazing what they can do. Hey, thank you for that,
Gavin appreciated. Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent. I think this
is fascinating, right, because yesterday around about this time, I
was giving RFK grief. So I'd like to be balanced, right,
I don't want you to think I think is completed
yet I don't. I just said he had a funny voice,
which is a statement of fact. Anyway, have a listen
to this. RFK is going to ban has announced he's

(01:35:27):
going to ban eight commonly used artificial food dies.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
The reason he's banning them is because experts have found
that these food dyes that are used in things like
cereals and sweeties and snacks and beverages and stuff like that,
they found that they actually are linked to neurological problems
in some children. And obviously this just doesn't sound as
wacky like I know what you're getting. This is the
guy doesn't like fluoride. Well, hanging a tick. Hanging a
tick because apparently countries like ourselves and Britain don't actually

(01:35:55):
use these food dies. So it's just the states that
uses these food dies. And you can get around and
you don't have to use these food dies because, for example,
Calloggs in Canada uses natural things like carrots and watermelon
juice to color the fruit. And then when They're doing
the same food over in the US and goes the
food dies, So there are alternatives. It's just the food
dies are really easy and make lots of color I

(01:36:15):
suppose anyway, So two of the synthetic dyes are going
to be phased out in the next few weeks, and
then a whole bunch of other ones the six are
going to be banned by the end of next year.
I'm keen to see how this rolls. I'm actually keen
to know more about it, aren't you? Because now I
want to know what are these food dies and what
do we use it? It feels like there's a whole
bunch of stuff in there that's fascinating. But how good

(01:36:37):
is it that we are one of the countries not
using them? Just stoked about that. Eight away from.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Hey, I've got to tell you something, but before I do,
just can I do a really quick shout out to
Northland because if you listen to the show, you know
that I don't like the dogs, right, I don't like
dogs that are off the leash, run running around kind
of being scary and stuff like that. These guys in
Northland are working really hard to desex dogs because they've
got a very big problem. You probably have figured this
out with the roaming and the feral dogs and all

(01:37:11):
that kind of stuff up there in Northland. So they've
got this outfit called the Best Dog Trust and they
are desexing for free. They've already done about four hundred
dogs just in like a couple of years, and they
can't keep up with demand. Like they opened all these
slots in March to be able to desex the dogs
for free, and they were all gone within three days
and then they have a wait list for it. So anyway,
good on them for doing that, because I love it
when I love it when there's a problem and then

(01:37:32):
there are people fixing the problem, just getting on with it. Anyway,
here's what I got to tell you, the point in
your life in which you will be the saddest, most depressed,
least happy as forty six. Now, this is probably not
what you expect. Probably what you expect is that as
you get older and your bones start falling apart and

(01:37:53):
everything starts hurting, and your kids are dicks to you,
and you're getting closer to death and you're bored because
you're retired. You probably think that's a bad period. No,
forty six is the point of which you're the saddest
in your life. Well, life is like a U bend
of happiness, apparently, So you start out really happy when
you're a kid, and then as you get older, you
just get more and more sad because you just realize,
like how much you've got to cope with, how expensive

(01:38:15):
carrots are, you know, your mortgage, like how much you're
paying the bank and interest, and how much you don't
like your colleagues and all that stuff makes you feel miserable.
And then when you hit forty six, for some reason,
happiness just starts climbing and it never stops ending until
you die. And apparently the reason is because the closer
you get to death, the more you realize the things
that matter, and then you do the things that matter
and you don't worry about everything else. Therefore you become happier.

(01:38:38):
Isn't that nice?

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
And isn't that just a love?

Speaker 19 (01:38:42):
I'm sorry to hear that you don't like us either,
and me and Laura will try and take the pressure off.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Since you're talking about you am I.

Speaker 19 (01:38:47):
You're approaching the bottom of the U bend. So we
will do our best to make everything as happy as
possible around here Africa by Toto to play us out tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
This is what Surely this will make you happy.

Speaker 19 (01:38:57):
Either you'll be going along to Toto there on nine
tonight in Auckland, and then of course if you're in
Wellington you can go see them tomorrow and then they're
in christ Church and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
I don't want to I don't want to be I
don't want to be that that stuff. You know that
that's a dick to you. But did you have to
choose Africa like they've got bangers Man, Roseanne, Ran Rosanna
whatever it's called of you that one?

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:39:21):
Well, I was just thinking, like most listeners aren't going
to the show to so they're only going to get
to hear one Toto song, and.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
They get to hear Toto in the supermarket every day
they hear today. Yes, did you not think you should
have played hold the line?

Speaker 19 (01:39:34):
Look, I'm just I'm giving I'm going for a mass
audience here, Heather, I'm going for mass crowd pleasing text
in nine, how did you a disservice?

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Go on No, I don't text it, because then you're
just going to side with the ants, and then I'm
gonna feel stink about that for calling them out on
it on air. Anyway, this is going to be their
own core. All you tomorrow, This is going to be
their on care Enjoy your evening, See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
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