Full Show Podcast: 23 January 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story,
or it's Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplessy Alan Drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be It's good afternoon to you. Welcome to the
afternoon of the twenty third of January. Thank you so
much for choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickenson for Heather duc Allen,
who's on maternity leave. What's on the program today, Well,
tourism is now at eighty six percent of pre COVID levels,
So is that satisfactory? Can we grow these numbers or
have that story? In two minutes time? Christopher luxon State

(00:35):
of the Nation's speech and plans to grow the economy.
We're going to talk with Trade and Investment Minister Tom
McClay just after five. Why are the postmatch interviews at
the Australian Open so awkward? We'll take you to Melbourne
and Prince Harry takes the money and runs, so what's
that about. We'll talk with Royal commentator Victoria Arbatur, We'll

(00:55):
talk with correspondence from around the world and around New Zealand.
You can text ninety two ninety two small charge flies
and you can email Dickens at news Talks. Heb dot
co dot ian z. It is eight after four Andrew Dickens.
So I missed the Prime Minister's State of the Nation's
speech because I was at the beach having a swim,
and that is probably a more accurate state of the

(01:16):
nation today as the holiday mode lingers. So anyway, I
walked into the newsroom and I said, sir, what happened
today with the State of the nation. And my producer
Laura said, they're going to create a new government agency
called invest New Zealand to attract foreign investors. I said, so,

(01:38):
the government that hates public servants and government spending is
going to spend government money employing public servants to sell
the country. People don't invest in a country because a
government agency tells them to. That's exactly what the Taxpayer's
Union said, said Laura. So what else did he say?
I said, well, Chris Reluxe and reckons that New Zealand

(02:01):
says no too often. No, I said, you don't say, so,
who are we talking to, Christopher Luxon? No, said Laura.
He said, no, no kidding. I said, what else? Were
they going to let some scientists get a share of
any idea that gets commercialized. And that said, I said,

(02:23):
pretty much. Laura said, so who are we talking to?
Tom McLay five oh five, So obviously could tell I
was initially underwhelmed, and now I've watched the speech and
listened to it, I have to say I remain underwhelmed.
So the Prime Minister described the problems we're in very well,
and there's nothing overly wrong with the ideas that have

(02:43):
come up with to spur economic growth, but nor are
they aspirational or bold. Now foreign investor tax breaks that
would have been bold, and that would have left me
more excited. Dickens tourism. Tourism is making a comeback good.
We need the money, but there's calls for a new
strategy to pull more tourists through the door. Just over

(03:07):
three hundred and twenty one thousand tourists came into the
country in November. That is at eighty six percent of
pre pandemic figures from twenty nineteen. Nikola Willis has hinted
at considering visa changes like the possibility of visa free
entries to drive economic growth. So what can we do?
We've got tourism Industry Alterior CEO, Rebecca Ingram with us
right now. Hello, Rebecca, good afternoon. Six consecutive months of

(03:32):
arrival numbers above eighty five percent of pre pandemic levels.
So is that satisfactory.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, there's certainly room for growth, is what I would say.
And so as an industry, we're delighted to see such
a strong focus on economic growth from the government with
the new portfolio for Minister Willis, and we're looking forward
to wishing with Minister Upston, who's just taken over is
the Tourism and Hospitality Minister Well as of tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Actually, through the years we've seen growth. You know, why
are we still though below COVID levels when we are
used to historically growing at a rate of five percent
or more a year.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, I think there was an opportunity for us to
put some fuel in the tank so to speak, as
we came out of COVID, and now there is still
that chance. So we want to ensure that New Zealand
competes globally. Tourism is a global business after all, so
when people are thinking about going on a holiday, we're
thinking about many countries that they might want to go to.

(04:32):
We're hoping that tourism is in New Zealand is one
of those and so we've got to compete. We need
tourism in New Zealand to be well funded. We've got
to ensure when they choose New Zealand the process of
getting a visa is smooth and quick and what they expect,
and we want to ensure they have a great experience
in New Zealand when they get here.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Well, whose responsibility is this? Is it the government or
is it private enterprise?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well, some of the things are differently in the government's camp.
So visa processing, choosing the level of the international visitor
to be, what we can do to attract airlines and
ensure our connectivity to the world, and how we fund
tourism New Zealand are things that can occur in partnership
between government and private businesses in the jurist industry.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And with all that said, are you optimistic that in
the near and medium future the numbers will rise?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I am optimistic as long as we do some things
to put fuel in the tank. So I'm delighted to
see such a focus on growth. We are definitely an
industry that's got growth potential and that will have a
ripple effect for jobs and GDP and all the good
things that we want for our economy and for our communities.
It's also important, though, as we're thinking about growth, that
we're balancing that with investment in New Zealand to ensure

(05:44):
that that growth is well planned for and well managed
on the ground.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, hey, look, let's talk about China, because Silon Bridges reckons.
There's a billion dollars worth of business there that we're
not tapping. And Chinese visitor numbers are still a lot
lower than pre COVID, So why are the Chinese not coming?

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, visitation from China has had a slower recovery for
New Zealand, though it is Chinese New Year next year,
so I'm hopeful that we'll see it a boost from that.
And it's important to remember that the numbers that got
released today are actually reflective of November of last year,
so that's before the summer season and before the majority

(06:21):
of our international visitors arrive in New Zealand, which takes
us right through to the end of March.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, the ideas that have been floated around the place
and that we talked with Nichola willis about at the
beginning of the week was visa free entry for China.
Would you support that?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think these are some of the things that other
countries have done. They've looked at how they can make
it easier for a visitor considering New Zealand or considering
their country to pick the country, visa processing times, the
ease of getting a visa is definitely something that we
should be thinking about alongside how we are turning up
in China. Has tourist in New Zealand got enough money

(06:56):
to do a really good job for US trade missions
over there? Have we got a good profile, and also
making sure that Chinese consumers understand what holiday and New
Zealand looks like. You know, when they're thinking about going
on a break, do they think of New Zealand. We
want to make sure all of those things are being
thought about, and I think it's really important that we

(07:18):
are out there being proactive in the world. We should
never assume that people are thinking about New Zealand or
thinking about coming on holiday here. It's very important that
we're globally competitive and proactive.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
This is a slightly petty question, but I think it's
relevant and it's my final question. We want to get
people to come to New Zealand. But your company is
called your organization is called Tourism Industry al TAH. So
will people overseas know what we're talking about when we
say are tehor well TIA.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Tourism Industry is a business association much like Business New Zealand.
So my members are tourism businesses in New Zealand. Tourism
in New Zealand under the banner of the one hundred
percent Pure New Zealand campaign is the one out there
marketing us to the world.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Okay, I get it. Differentiation and I thank you so
much for your time today. That is Rebecca Ingram from
Tourism Industry. I'll tear raw and it is four to
fifteen now. It's fear to say I'm feeling a bit
dusty today because I ended up watching sports way too late,
way past midnight, and there was a reason for that.
I started watching the AUCNDFC match against Adelaide and that
was a one hundred minute match. It just camp going

(08:25):
and it was magnificent. And then there was a cinematch
at Melbourne. So we're going to talk about all these
things with Darcy Wardergrave, who's moments away.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Who will take the White House results and analysis of
the US election on? Hither dupless e alum drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
New stalks b. The time is now four eighteen.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Look, we've just had a statement through from the police
in regards to the investigation into the alleged shoplifting incident
that involved former greenient P. Golder's government and police say
they have now completed their inquiries and they have decided
not two file charges. They say the public interest test
was not met, as well as taking other factors into account.
The store has been consulted on the decision. Remember they

(09:08):
never made a complaint and police say, for context, the
item taken was valued at less than forty dollars Dussy autograph. Hey,
I'm tired, I'm dusty because I started watching football went
on for one hundred minutes. But it was magnificent. It
was a great game of football. This is Awkwad FC
versus Adelaide.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
I had one eye on the football and the other
eye on Youngick Cinner making an absolute meal. Yes of demon,
I feel sorry from he got but back and forth,
back and forth.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
It was stunning. It last nine minutes was freak show.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah true, and look at it. We went all the
way to the very end in Rogerson. You know Logan
Allo the way say you, when did you last for Auckland?
Wear the shirt tomorrow?

Speaker 9 (09:54):
You will ain't?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah Friday team shirt Friday Pho. Here's the thing.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
Just to come back.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Watching that game closely and trying not to shout because
everybody was asleep. I just saw just how good our
midfield and our defense is and that's our real strength.
And it was really good football.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
So go the FC take that and now it's one
pointed drift of top of the table. It was Adelaide
against I was being described Adelaide by Jason Pineow football
hero as being a Tad Ferrell. Yeah, okay, but the
look Coricker's face, Coricker's explosion of emotion at the end

(10:30):
of that game was quite something else.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think the other guy, the Adelaide guy also, I mean,
the game had everything, and the crowd went off, fifteen
thousand people at him Mass great little stadium. We need
one of those anyway. So then I went on to
watching the Sinner game and Ciner was just another level completely.
But the other big thing about the open and we're
going to talk about this later in the program. Was
Ben Shelton, the guy was number one seed in Auckland,

(10:53):
has been having a go at courtside interviewers.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
Yeah, and so he should. This is interesting. People would
look at me and say, you're a sports broadcaster. You
don't shut up your eyes injecting your own opinion and
attitude and.

Speaker 8 (11:05):
Da da dah. Yet that's my job.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
These guys in the middle of the court, they've got
one job. Get some words out of the player.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
No one cares about your opinion. I couldn't care less
about what you're thinking. You're funny little in jokes. No
one cares. Just ask the question, but don't say how
does it feel? Because it's even more frustrating. But I
get it, and I don't mind Shelton coming out Djokovic.
I think it just still let that one go, But
it did. I suppose give them a boost going into

(11:37):
that game, which he won. But it's not your role
to do that. You're not an interviewer. We don't care
about your attitude, your opinions. I don't pay for that.
We want to hear from the athletes.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
They're also trying to be funny and we don't need
the entertainment from these guys. And there's a different one
every time. And I don't know what that's about either,
but apparently it's both Channel nine and Aussie Open. And
I decided, and they haven't got a deal between them.
As I said it all along, just put Jim Courier
in front of them.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
Well he's got a bit at manay, hasn't he. I mean,
does he indulge in a bit of small talk though,
and a bit of you know, maybe maybe with him
he cam because he's you know, how many times do
you want to Grand Slam?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Quite a few times and the players are in awe
of him, which is good, but not of the interviewers.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
No, but good on the American for saying something. And
maybe lessons we learned, absolutely well, learnings will be lessened
now the Winters Games are no more in Wonica.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I've been to one of these. They are just the
most amazing event. But it's going to be sad not
to see the world's best competing against the world's best,
because remember, we've got the world's best in Wonica, Yes
we do.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
They come from you know, the Sanowski Senate.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
He's actually running again at Aspen at the X Games
over this weekend that started.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
She did something quite extraordinary a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
She landed a twelve sixty switch backside that's three and
a half times goofy footed, like the opposite foot going backwards.
She did that with the nine hundred, the first female
athlete to do that in qualifying thing.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
It was four or five years ago. But look, you
know how you know it happened pathways out there.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Because it's no longer affordable to run the sanctioning fees
and the prize money for the FIS major events freeride
world so they just can't.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Afford to do it.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
So but a lot of these major athletes they still
come down here in the off season.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And train and train, and they want some competition. And
I'm sure there's some rich people who's ski and I'm
sure if they'd actually talked about this earlier, maybe we
could have helped them. Can I just say one thing
about the twelve sixty. She nailed it, and she came second,
but she was the world's first, and if she nailed it,
I don't get that.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
You get an interviewer and then to ask her that
question but add a bit of his own opinion.

Speaker 8 (13:44):
See how that works.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
Looking forward to that this weekend and hopefully we'll be
talking to her on the Your Sport Breakfast on Saturday morning,
kind of just before she starts her second event.

Speaker 8 (13:55):
We'll see bring this cross for that one.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I love it, it's great. Does he want a grave?
I'm from seven o'clock to night here on News Talks.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
B putting the challenging questions to the people. At the
heart of the story. It's Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplessy
Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected and
Youth Talks that B.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's four twenty six now it's speaking of the Australian Open.
I didn't realize that the ball boys and the ball
girls did not get paid at the Australian Open. I
know that they didn't get They don't ever get paid
in Auckland because I've had kids that I've known and
I'm related to who are back to gone and volunteered
and it's about, you know, inspiring the kids and doing it.
But the Australian Open, this next level super pro and

(14:38):
I would have thought they would have got some money,
so they don't get paid, so could they be paid?
And we're going to talk to Murray Olds about that
a little bit later on. And by the way, guess
who is the preferred Australian Prime Minister. I can tell
you the name does not start with A. And so
Murray's on that a bit later on. So a reaction
to some of the stuff that's happened already. Andrew, like you,

(14:58):
I missed Christopher's State of the Nation delivery, but unlike you,
I was not at the beach and I just heard
you talking about the invest New Zealand Agency. This sounds positive,
writes my texture. But can we get a please explain
on how the new agency would differ from the existing
New Zealand Trade and Enterprise, who, by the way, are
great at spending their budget and throwing a party, but
not so great being kind at attracting or directing it

(15:21):
to invest it ready organizations.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Another person says, I also was impressed with Christopher Luxen,
so enthusiastic doing his utmost for New Zealand. I want
the best for my grandkids and his positive attitude is
great after the disasters term and that the opposition had before.
Hope you enjoyed your swim. It was certainly a day
for one. Yes, it was water was dull lessius, I
have to say Murry Olds and the world Wise on

(15:46):
the way. My name is Andrew Dickins and for Heather
duc Allen. This is news talks.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
There be moving the big stories of the day forward.
It's Andrew dickens on hither duper see Alan drive with
one New Zealand let's get news talks.

Speaker 10 (16:01):
It'd be bus of flowers.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Name and said.

Speaker 11 (16:09):
Tucking myself hours.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
So thank you, not.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Understand, Thank you Miley. I think she's just joined the
billion stream club with the song flowers as well, just
a mess of her. I'm Andrew Dickinson for Heather Dupercy Allen.
Allen has actually, by the way, he just said, has
Heather had her baby yet? Yes, she had her baby
two weeks ago. Man, a little girl called Mackay. Eight
pounds and six, I answers, and is it funny how

(16:38):
we say this an imparable imperial measure that I'm not
in kilograms, so we all know what we're talking about.
Eight pounds six. So there we go, and Heather, we'll
be back in three months. Of course I said just
beforehand that former Green MP Goalras government will not have
charges filed against her by the police. They say the
public interest test was met and they said for context,

(16:58):
the item taking was valued less than forty dollars. This
has not gone down very well with our Texters. George
has said, well, that is a great message for the
police to be sending, because now is it that I
can go out and steal something for forty dollars and
always get off the hook too, and are fair to
say that's that's a true thing to say. They did
not have to say that is that? Was that an excuse?

(17:19):
Was it an excuse not to press charges because it
was under forty dollars? And Pauline says wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wong, wrong,
wong wrong. Once a thief, always a thief, and they
need to be punished. It is twenty three to five.

Speaker 9 (17:32):
It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
They're back. The fires are back in Los Angeles. Tens
of thousands of people in Los Angeles County have had
to evacuate because of the latest fire. Here is the
local mayor a block by the name of Bill Miranda.

Speaker 12 (17:51):
If your areas under evacuation warning or order. If it's
a if it's a warning, prepared to evacuate. If it's
an order, evacuate now. Don't wait ten minutes and see
what's going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. Nothing's going
to change in ten minutes. We want you to evacuate now.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oo. Okay, So still with America and US President Donald
Trump is more than a little grumpy with the Bishop
of Washington because of a sermon she gave at his
post inauguration prayer service that don was sitting there. Jadie
Vance was sitting there stony faced as the Bishop of
Washington said this, There are.

Speaker 13 (18:31):
Gay, lesbian, and transgener children in Democratic, Republican and independent families,
some who fear for their lives.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
You should have heard what Joe Rogan said after that.
I thought he was going to burst a fool through
valve and have a stroke. But anyway, the President wants
the bishop to publicly apologize for what she said, but
from the sounds of it, she thinks she won't.

Speaker 13 (18:54):
The two groups of people that I mentioned are our
fellow human beings, and that they have been portrayed in
all throughout the political campaign in the harshest of lights.
I wanted to counter as gently as I could with
a reminder of their humanity.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Go figure a leftist humanist for the Bishop of Washington,
who would have thought, Hey, and finally.

Speaker 14 (19:19):
You're as cold as night, you're willing to sacrifice love.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
A British woman has run a marathon in freezing temperatures
in Norway while dressed in a polar bear costume. The
mercury went right down to minus ten degrees celsius during
the Polar Night Marathon in a place called Tromso. But
Jill Punt, it's her name, Jill Punt, Maybe Punt. Jill
Punt managed to finish in a polar bear costume in

(19:49):
four hours and fifty eight minutes, and she now officially
holds the record for the fastest ice marathon run by
a woman dressed as a mammal. And maybe she should
be invited to join the New Catlan's nude walking group.
It's cold down there too, twenty one to.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand, Business.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
For Australia, we Go. Murray Olds joins the hell.

Speaker 15 (20:13):
I Buz from very good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Who would Australians prefer as Prime Minister?

Speaker 15 (20:19):
Well, surprise, surprise, Peter Dutton. This is a brand new
poll out this week exclusively for the Fairfax Media Group
or nine these days of course, the Sydney Morning Herald
this morning of the it is shocking news. I don't
know how many bets I've got out there with people.
I've bet I've backed Downtony albneasy in I didn't think
Peter Dutton had a hope in hell. He's got almost

(20:39):
twenty seats to win back. He had a dreadful public persona.
People didn't like him, They in fact hated him. He
just looked terrible, sounded worse. But I'll tell you what,
He's taken the leaf out of Tony Abbot's book. He
was the most effective opposition leader we've ever seen. He
turfed Kevin right out. And I mean, look on these
figures Peter Dutton's heading for the Prime minister. I'll give

(21:01):
you some quick figures here. Forty six percent of voters
say the wages are going to fall this year. Well,
no surprise in that, because cost of living is a
big ticket item in town.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
But here's the.

Speaker 15 (21:11):
Thing, in a warning sign for Albanezy, fifty percent of
voters say inflation is going to get worse. Now you
factor all this in and the poll has found as
preferred Prime Minister Peter Dutton's ahead thirty nine to thirty four.
They were tied on this question at the end of
last year. Labour's primary vote because we've got a funny
system over here, a bit different than the New Zealand one,

(21:32):
but we're allowed to cast a primary vote and then
distribute preferences. So Labour's primary vote it's a twenty seven percent,
it's one and four. The coalition's nearly forty right, and
so the Greens are pretty much the same Hanson pretty
much the same support for the independence right. These are
the Teals who took so many seats off the Liberals

(21:53):
last time round, that slipped from eleven to ten. The
Labor government looks to be in trouble, but it's only
one pole.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Well yeah, but welcome to twenty twenty five, Murray, you know,
because it's not about Peter Dutton. None of that is
about Peter Dutton. It's all about the incumbents and the
jurisdictions and sovereignties all over the world. It's all about
the incumbents and if the economy goes bad, they'll vote
for a polar bee, I tell you.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Now.

Speaker 15 (22:20):
Well let's speaking to the right, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Okay, Now what is Who are the police in Australia
blaming for the anti Semitic attacks?

Speaker 15 (22:29):
Well, this is a very moving face. So I can
let you know. Just a few minutes ago we heard
confirmation that the second person has been arrested over the
attempt a couple of weeks back now to fire bomber
Synagogue and Newtown, which is in the Inn and West.
The guy was tasered by police at a pub near
the CBD at lunchtime today. Now this follows the arrest
of a second person they were looking for over that

(22:51):
fire bomb attack. So we've had eight separate attacks on
different Jewish institutions. If you like two synagogues, you've got
a childcare center, you've got a private home, you've got
cars vandalized and set on fire and so on. So
eight attacks in three months. Now, you know. The federal
police came out this week on Tuesday. They gave an

(23:13):
address to National Cabinet, which is of course Anthony Albanezi
and all the state and territory leaders as well. What's
going on? Ask the politicians, well said the federal police.
Would you believe, like Maxwell Smith, did you believe there
could be foreign actors overseas paying local criminals here to
go and carry out these deeds? Well though, and behold

(23:35):
today we've had the new South Wales State Police commissioner
and she has said, well, guess what this could be
like air tasker. These could be people air tasking these
attacks on synagogues. I heard at lunchtime today it could
be in at least one case, possibly more. Someone's called
in a drug debt, We'll forgive your drug debt to

(23:57):
us if you go and fire bomb a synagogue. Now
they were apparently threatening the family of the people who
owed the money to the drug dealers. So this is
entirey now into a whole new space. It's not just
police hunting bad guys that I mean. This whole notion
of air tasking criminal activity is pretty frightening to be Frank,
welcome to.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Twenty twenty five money. This is this is globalism ritt lards,
isn't it. So there we go. Hey, So the Australian
open is awesome. But the interviewers are terrible. We're going
to talk about that next hour. But what I didn't realize.
I thought, because the Ossie openers like top tier, that
they would pay the ball boys and ball girls. But
they don't.

Speaker 15 (24:36):
What No, and I guess what people are saying. Listen,
you tight so and so pay the ball boys and
ball girls. Don't get anything off. They get a shirt,
you know, they might get some socks and get a
food allowance.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
But they get to hang. They get to hang with
their heroes and be inspired.

Speaker 15 (24:53):
Yeah. Great, it doesn't pay the bills. And as the
Australian Children's Commissioner said this morning, listen, young people, young
people working at the Open. They are not immune to
cost of living pressures. They're not all living at home
with mommy and daddy. They're out there trying to pay
the rent, get themselves through UNI and so on. Pay them.
Social media has blown up deluxe over this. All kids
at the US Open get fifteen bucks US an hour

(25:16):
wibbled and they get three hundred and fifty dollars a
week the Australian Open. They may be able to get
a burger at lunchtime and some cold French fries. Yuck.
There's the thing. I mean the Australian Open. They're out
there and all sorts of weather, sweating and little faces off.
And guess what the winners of the of the men's
and women's singles three point one five million if you're

(25:37):
a first round losing it one hundred and twenty k.
These kids get nothing. Does that sound fair to you?

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I don't have an opinion on such things, but no
it doesn't. You're quite right, and I thank you so much.
Murray Olds from Australia. Here are news salts here being
so we had a text through from being saying, look
at the woke lift are falling apart all over the world. Well,
how how does that explain what happened to the Inger Conservatives?
I think what we're hearing with Alberanizi and other results
around the place. If you're in charge of an economy

(26:07):
that falls over, you go, no matter who's on the
other side. And that's a warning for everybody, perhaps even
our own government. Here it is fourteen to five.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments
certainty to five Jason Wall's good.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Afternoon, Oh, good afternoon, Andrew how are you good? Christopher
Luxin's done the State of the Nation speech. He's upset
the Greens. He says, we say no too much. There's
a new agency and he surprises though in his speech nothing.

Speaker 16 (26:35):
Too spectacularly surprising. I mean, as I alluded to yesterday,
one of the focuses on his speech was about more
mining in New Zealand and lux instead it needs to
play a bigger role in the economy. In terms of specifics,
he didn't really get into that level of nitty gritty,
but he did say that it was easy to say
what you want when you have a sovereign wealth fund
like Norway or much higher incomes like Australia, but it's

(26:58):
much harder to say you want the oil and mining
that pays for it. And then he went on to
talk about regions like Taranaki in the West Coast. There
is big economic opportunities there with high incomes and support
for local businesses and family and he wants to see
more mining in New Zealand and more bolstering of that sector.
He also Andrew was talking about how it was quite

(27:19):
helpful for the environmental side in terms of more mining
being critical for the climate transition. He talked about evs,
solar panels and data centers that are needed to make
clean energy and he said that they quote aren't made
out of thin air. Of course, the Greens weren't particularly
happy about that. Chloe Swarbick took aim with a number

(27:41):
of things in his speech and said that there's no
future in turning our country into a chop shop and
selling it critical assets for parts. And meanwhile, the Labor
Party who had its caucus retreat today as well, it's
been a week for retreats around the country. Chris Hipkins
was showing not a lot of optimism for the speech either. However,

(28:02):
he wasn't really getting into any of Labour's new playbook
of policies, saying only that announcements would be made in
the coming months.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, we're talking to Tom McClay about the State of
the Nation's speech and the new agency. Just after five
Ratana tomorrow, big day. But David Seymour's not going.

Speaker 16 (28:19):
He's not And this isn't a particular surprise because David
Seymore's never gone to Ratina. It's just not really his
in his wheelhouse of things that he likes to do.
And he'll be as I understand that the only political
leader not there in terms of representing their party. What
some would say, you know, Ratna is the start of
the political year, which is a phrase that I always hate.

(28:39):
But you know, in other years it's been true. Not
this year. I think we've had a summer's worth of
political developments happening since Sunday, all in the space of
a week. Seymour, as I said, has never gone to
Ratina and is certainly not starting this year. He would
have got somewhat of a frosty welcome, to say the least.
I mean, not that he would have really cared about that.
I think it's very deliberate that he's done acts or

(29:02):
he's doing act State of the Nation on the same day.
It means that he gets to speak in front of
a friendly crowd who want to hear from him, rather
than the one that frankly doesn't. He will get to
lay out his reasons for why he thinks the Treaty's
Principals Bill should go ahead in front of essentially a
home crowd ahead of the submissions starting next week. In

(29:22):
terms of what he's expected to say, well, as I
understand it, he's going to lay out the case for
even more cuts the government spending. Meanwhile, Luxon will be
done in Ratana and he will face the heat from
those in attendance because of the treaty's principal bill.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
But I think he's going to do what he's.

Speaker 16 (29:37):
Done every other time that he's spoken at a Ratna
or White Tangi, which is focusing on the tangible and
quantifiable results for Mary he's always talked about. Instead of
just talking about lifting mary achievement, he's actually focused on
turning it around in some of the key areas, such
as the shocking stats in health and education, which I
think is the right approach. I mean, if you actually

(29:58):
get to start turning around some of these statistics, you
don't really have much of an argument that he's not
really working and helping for Marty, but he actually needs
to do it and these statistics needs to turn around
or else he's going to be facing heat from all sides.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yes, but if he ends up targeting people with a
skin color, then there's going to be heat from his
coalition partners as well. So you know he's going to
have to ride or walk on a very thin type rope.

Speaker 16 (30:23):
Yes, And he always has. It's kind of the rod
that he's made himself for this coalition government.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's right, That's right. Can I say I don't understand that?
To know, I've always thought it was a bit of
an achronism. It's been around for a while, a long time,
but so close to white tonguey day it kind of
sort of diffuses the message. But it's a lovely church
and I've been to that church and it really is
quite an architectural marvel. Thanks to your time, Jason. It
is now seven to five News Talks at.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
B putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

Speaker 17 (30:56):
Breakfast sitsplation has unchanged two point two percent for the
year to the non tradeables coming down. So does this
give the banks some confidence start dropping rates? Steve Yukovic,
the Hewibanks CEO. Does it give you confidence?

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
It does.

Speaker 11 (31:08):
And I think you know where we price rates from,
which is the two year mark is actually looking pretty stable.

Speaker 17 (31:13):
And obviously the non tradable coming down is good. But
are you worried about the exchange rate?

Speaker 15 (31:17):
Here?

Speaker 8 (31:18):
We are.

Speaker 18 (31:18):
I mean the fact that our interest rates are coming
down makes the New Zealand dollar.

Speaker 11 (31:22):
Less attractive, which means everything that we import, like petrol
and things like that, goes up in price.

Speaker 19 (31:26):
But ultimately it looks like people's confidence is picking up
slightly and we think the second half of this calendar
year will be much better.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Ryan Bridge on the my Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at
six am with the range rover of the line on
News Talks, that'd be it's.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
For minus to five. We're heading towards the news and
sport in a few moments time. Texts on ninety two
ninety two small charge does apply and someone, in fact
the number of people have said basically but that to
that is an opportunity for political leaders to virtue signal,
and that's all it is. I get that it's very
important to the Maori people. I understand that as well,
and it has been important to the Maori people for
very long time. But it's a very hard place to

(32:02):
get to. It's in the middle of nowhere, and you
get up there and yes, the Marley Queen is there
and the rights and the church is there, and there's
a bit of speechifying and then of course a week
later we're doing it all over again. On White Tongue,
You day which is our national day. So it just
seems to me to be a double up and an anachronism.
And anyway, like I say, a very lovely church. Now

(32:24):
on the way, we're going to Melbourne for the Tennis Open.
I've been watching the tennis religiously and it has been
some of the best tennis I've seen for ages, not
only because of course it's in a time zone that
we can actually watch this thing, but I have cringed
watching the postmatch interviews with Australians coming on and talking
to these international superstars and it's just awkward and I think, well,

(32:48):
this isn't the player's fault because they're just being players.
This is obviously the commentator. So what has gone on there?
And as Australia embarrassed. So we will go to Melbourne shortly.
We're also going to go to the UK because Harry
took the money and ran after suing this son's publisher
after saying he never would. So that's interesting. But the
big interview is with Tom McClay, Trade and Investment Minister,

(33:09):
the State of the Nation. He wants us to become
like Singapore or Ireland. I've got a new agency to
get out there and find foreign investment. So how will
that work? Will it work? Tom McLay is joining us
in about seven minutes time here on news Talks.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
He'll be.

Speaker 20 (33:27):
This man, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you
trust for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Andrew dickens on hither duplicy Alan Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Good afternoon, Welcome on into the twenty third of January
twenty twenty five. Thank you so much for choosing us.
My name is Andrew Dickinson for Heather. So the Prime
Minister has laid out his vision to grow the economy
because to day was the day he presented his State
of the Nation speech. He did it this afternoon at
one o'clock. In the speech, he said a culture of
saying no is holding us back. And he also announced

(34:11):
that they're going to create a new government agency to
attract foreign investment. So the Trade and Investment Minister is
Tom McLean and McLay sorry, and he joins us.

Speaker 21 (34:22):
Now, Hella Todd, Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So the Taxpayer's Union said people don't invest in the
country because the government agency tells them to.

Speaker 22 (34:30):
So what do you say to that, well, they're right,
but they certainly don't invest in a country when government
agencies tell them not to.

Speaker 21 (34:37):
And I think that's very much been the case in
New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (34:40):
It's harder to invest here than it should be. And
if we take Singapore as an example, they had thirty
one pero percent increase in their foreign direct investment last
year we had about five percent. So they Ireland also
doing something well that we're not. That the agency that
we have in New Zealand is modeled on there is,
but it's going to be very very different because the
taxpayer at Union is right. If I was an investor,

(35:03):
I wouldn't come and ask a government department to run
my company for me. I would find the experts and
know what they're doing. And part of the job chrys
Lux's given me is to find those New Zealanders here
and overseas that are already active in investment and in
doing deals and sort of track their talent so that
we can get our fair share of foreigners money in
New Zealand to grow the economy.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Now, you are right, Ireland and Singapore have government backed
investment to agencies. But the thing about those sovereignties is
that they also have tax breaks for foreign corporates. So
do we need to look at corporate tax rates to
become more attractive.

Speaker 22 (35:36):
Well, we certainly need to make sure that our tax
system is competitive, particularly to Australia, but that's not the
only reason that they have investment in those parts of
the world.

Speaker 21 (35:46):
They often make it a lot easier than we do.

Speaker 22 (35:49):
I remember many years ago meeting somebody from Malaysia that
was looking to invest in a hotel in New Zealand.
They chose Australia. In the end it was a very
big investment because when they turned up here are talking
to a bit of the government and they were sent
off to the Auckland councilor to talk to some guy
whose job it is to work through consents, and they
decided to take their capital elsewhere. So what we will
be doing is finding some of the best people in

(36:11):
New Zealand, some will be in government, many will not be,
to join us and to put the welcome mat out
to go and meet these people around the world and
to put those deals together for them with New Zealand companies,
to bring the investment here for new companies in infrastructure
and so on, you know. But I think the example
of Ireland and Singapore is a very good one for
us to model ourselves on and emulate because anything they've

(36:34):
done on taxis side, they are much better than we are,
and they are wealthy, wealthier countries for that.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So that's a note to corporate text breaks well, it's.

Speaker 22 (36:44):
Not one of the competences that invest New Zealand has.

Speaker 21 (36:48):
Our job will be to get people to come in
and invest here.

Speaker 22 (36:51):
I was in the UA with the Prime Minister last
week and we met with one of the sovereign wealth
funds and they said to us, we haven't invested in
New Zealand because we thought maybe you wouldn't want us to.

Speaker 21 (37:00):
Might look at other parts of the world.

Speaker 22 (37:01):
Look, they're investing pretty significantly with their one point seven
trillion dollars in renewable energy and bio energy, and we've
got big opportunities there. They asked me if we issue
new banking licenses here, because they have gone in and
set up domestic banks and other parts of the world,
so that they were not sure that we, you know,
would welcome their investment, or we thought we were too

(37:24):
small in itself, tells we were missing big opportunities. But
you should we should judge the success of this new
agency not on the number of reports that have done.
I don't want reports on the number of deals that
are done in the money that comes into New Zealand
that creates jobs and growsy economy.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
So will you be going out into the employment workforce
and shoulder tapping people who actually have the skills to
go out and sell New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (37:48):
Yes, we will be having a look in New Zealand
and New Zealanders around the world. I with Chris Sucks
and when we're overseas meet many of them. They've got really,
really good ideas.

Speaker 21 (37:56):
You know. It will be a mix. I think from
New Zealand Trading.

Speaker 22 (38:00):
We have a group there that does investment advice already
they are good at what they do. But we want
a single focus and we want the expertise and the
experience of people who have put deals together. So we
will be looking in New Zealand and around the world
for the talent that we need. We have thirty eight
percent a foreign directive investment compared to GDP. The OECD

(38:21):
average is fifty percent. We should aim for that and
actually try and exceed it. It's going to take some
time to work out the best ways to do this,
but we're not going to take forever.

Speaker 21 (38:30):
We want the first deals rolling through the door this year.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Good luck to you and I thank you. That is
Tomic Clay Trade Minister. It is twelve minutes ouf for
Fine Andrew Dickins Well. Donald Trump has done his first
sit down TV interview. It was with Fox News and
I have to say, I'm just been looking at it
and he looks perky. He looks good. I mean, and
I say this because he's had a big week. You know,
He's had the inauguration that was a massive day. He's
seventy eight years old. He's done a lot of work.

(38:54):
He's talked a lot of talk. He's danced a lot
of dancing. It must be the diet cokes. But he's
looking good. And he sat down with Sean Hannity. He
told Fox News is Sean Hannity in fact, that at
the end of his first term, he was asked whether
he wanted to pardon himself and his associates.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
I was given the option.

Speaker 23 (39:14):
They said, sir, would you like to pardon everybody, including yourself?
I said, I'm not going to pardon anybody.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
We didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
He could have preemptively pardoned himself. I mean, that's what
Joe Biden just did. But no, he did not. And
he then went on to defend the decision to pardon
those fifteen hundred people who were involved in the Capital riots,
including those who injured police officers.

Speaker 23 (39:36):
Number of reason number. When they were in there for
three and a half years, a long time and in
many solitary confinement, treated like nobody's ever been treated so badly.
They were treated like the worst criminals in history.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And in the interview, he's clearly still counting his blessings
for surviving that assassination attempt in Pennsylvania that was last July.

Speaker 23 (39:58):
That that guns are very accurate gun and that a
bad shooter would hit the target one hundred.

Speaker 9 (40:05):
Percent of the time.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
You can't miss.

Speaker 23 (40:07):
They said, it's like for a golfer sinking a one
foot put.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Do you believe you've changed, Is this, for example, increased
your faith in God?

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I think so.

Speaker 23 (40:15):
I don't think I've changed, but I think that has
taken place here because when you look at statistically, I
should never be here.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Wow, it is amazing. It's one inch and the entire
course of history for twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five,
for the entire twenty fifth century, would have been changed,
and yet it didn't. But it still hit him on
the ear. It's just extraordinary. It is five fourteen. The
interviews after the Australian Open matches have been painful, awkward

(40:48):
and not at all funny. So why we're going to
get into this in a moment as we take you
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It is five seventeen. So the after match interviews at
the Australian Open have been awkward and this has come
out and become news because the Australian Open semi finalist
Ben Shelton came out and mouthed off about it at

(41:51):
a press conference last night and he is not happy
with the performance of those court side interviewers.

Speaker 24 (41:56):
I've been a little bit shocked this week with how
players have been treated by the broadcasters. And I don't
think that the guy who who mocked Novak, I don't
think that was just a.

Speaker 9 (42:10):
Single event.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
And he also came out and said some of the
questions interviewers have asked him and the other players have
been disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Today on the court.

Speaker 24 (42:18):
Hey Ben, how does it feel that, no matter who
you play in your next match, no one's going to
be cheering for you. I just don't think a comment
that's respectful from a guy I've never met before in
my life.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And this, of course, as he mentioned, comes only a
few days after Novak Djokovic's big old stoush with Channel
nine's Tody Jones. So Craig Gabriel is how correspondent at
the Australian Open and joins us now, Hella.

Speaker 9 (42:40):
Craig her Andrew good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
What's wrong with these people?

Speaker 6 (42:48):
I think you know what it is. They're missing the
aussy sense of humor. They're losing in a translation, they're
not quite getting it. I think things that get a
bit casual in the time to be here, and they
try to be a bit funny and amusing it lighthearted
for the fans over here, and a lot of the
players and some of the well certainly the foreign ones

(43:09):
are not quite getting it. But then again, in most
cases with Americans, you've got to hit them over with
a sledgehammer over the head before they'll understand a joke.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Now, hold on, are you blaming the players or because personally,
I think the interviewers have got the wrong end of
the stick. They should know this, they should be pros.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
Look in all seriousness about it. I think some of
them have gone a little bit far. What I'm not
getting are the length of the questions. They are going forever,
Whereas at one stage you'd want to get the question
then quick, smart, so it gives the player the opportunity
to respond in a longer, better fashion. But certainly there

(43:51):
are some instances where things have probably gone a little
bit too far, a little bit too familiar. I would
say it's probably a good word with some of the
questions to players, and I understand some of the responses.
Some of these players are pretty young and they're not
quite getting it okay.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
So the guys who do the interviews, are they employed
by ten or nine or are they employed by the
Aussie Open? So who's putting them in front of these people?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Both?

Speaker 6 (44:21):
It's a combination, and the on court interviews are essentially
part of the general broadcast the world feed aspect, so
Channel nine picks up that they've got the commentators, So
those commentators are coming down and doing most of the interviews.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
So whose side is the Australian public on? Are they
embarrassed by the interviewers or are they are they amused
by the players reactions?

Speaker 6 (44:49):
You know, not much as far as I'm aware, has
really been said by the Australian public. A lot of
this really came up with came up on two occasions,
one with the Tony Jones issue with Novak Djokovic and
his fans, and the second one is Ben Shelton actually
making a statement of that statement you just played during

(45:11):
his post match one of his post match media conferences
right at the very end. So those have been essentially
the two main aspects that have brought this to light.
But you know, I think some of the things that
have been said probably would have been better not said.
And with things that being I guess a little bit

(45:32):
touchy on how things are spoken of these days. I
think you've got to be a little bit careful. But
some of it is rather funny. I mean, like some
of the stuff that Jim Courier does with plays and
he had a wonderfully change with you Sinner yesterday on
court and there was a lot laughing about it.

Speaker 9 (45:49):
So, hey, Jim is brilliant.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
So I was going to say, Craig, I watch a
lot of tennis. I am sleep deprived at the moment.
I'm watching the Australian Open. I watched the US Open.
I can tell you Jim is great. He's got the manor,
he's got the authority. He's been there, he's done it,
and he has just the most wonderful style. Just get
him to do all of the interviews from quarterfinals on.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
Maybe that's what will happen. I think Elena Docket has
had also a very good rapport with a lot of
the players, the female players in particular. So you know
there's another one. So I think Todd Woodbridge is very
good as well. So you know there are a few
of them, and then there are some Johnny Matt John
Mcinho's misses the mark on a lot of occasions as well.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Well.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Thank you so much, Gabriel, and get back to work
because he works very long. Now, this man great Gabriel.
Now it is at twenty two minutes half to five.
This is news Talks.

Speaker 10 (46:45):
He've been.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Andrew Dickens on hither duplessy Alan drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talk.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
There'd be it's five twenty five. So these white tonguey
tribunal appointments by Mildi Minister Tama Portaka, he made them
last week. They've been raising some eyebrows today with the
Malordi Party labeling the appointments as our whitewash, saying that
experienced voices from the Mildi world have been replaced by
what they call pale stale males. So listening to Tama

(47:20):
Portaka this morning. I was struck how he can't pronounce
white tonguey And for a mary Man with some of
the a's in his name, you'd think you'd no, it's
a long a and that just came across as ignorant.
But that's by the bye. Let's look at the pale
stale males as they've been called. Richard Prebble, former leader
of ACT, a lawyer, a man has been on a
number of Malori entity boards. He knows what he's talking

(47:42):
about about the Marley world. But remember famously, back in
the day he wanted the tribunal abolished, criticizing the Mildi
gravy train. But it appears that when the train stops
at your station, there's no problem. And yes that's a
little hypocritical, but hey, he's a politician, and you know
they love getting some public money and their retirement. So
there we are. Then there's Grant Hatfield. Now he's the

(48:03):
Manoa to counselor who disapproves of mild receipts, and that
makes him a fan of democratic process, not statutory appointments.
And you can't criticize a man for favoring democracy, can you.
And then there's Philip Crump. Now, Phillip's a very very
good lawyer both here in the UK. He actually found
some fame during the Labor administration as he blogged under

(48:27):
the name Thomas Cranmer, and he would do these dick
dives into legislation and policy and then hold them up
to the cold heart logical light of the law, picking
apart virtue signaling and any sneaky maneuvering. The Malordi Party
have labeled Philip a conservative. Now come on, I know Philip.
He was the editor of z B, plus he worked
a couple of decks desks away from me. He's a

(48:48):
nice bloke. I wouldn't call him a conservative as such,
but he's certainly a lover of the law and that's
a good thing. So I have no problem with these
three men. They all have talents and viewpoints that would
be helpful. The Maori Party obviously wants a tribunal to
be solely for the Maori world, and I don't think
that's what it should be. The tribunal should represent all

(49:10):
New Zealand and review the exercise of governors regarding the
Treaty of White Tonguey. That's what the treaty was there
for having a tribunal that's more representative of New Zealand.
I think is a much better way of determining treaty
principles than David Seymour's simplistic and divisive Treaty Principles act

(49:34):
at the Marlori Party wanting a white tonguey tribunal that
is completely Mardi.

Speaker 9 (49:39):
Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's five eight. We're off talking to Victoria abtur who
is a royal correspondent. I haven't taught her for ages,
so this is going to be great about Prince Harry
and his settlement. That's next.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Informed insight into today's issues. It's Andrew Dickens on Hither
Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
news talks.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
It'd be on.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Scheduity and run just you me would Gie. My name
is Andrew Dickenson for Heather Dupercy Ellen, who's on the
Turnersy leave. Thank you so much for choosing the program.
It is twenty four minutes to six and I'm just
listening to the news with Raylen and she's talking about
the most stolen car and once again the mighty Toyota
Aqua is New Zealand's most stolen car. Why anyone would

(50:39):
want to steal such a runt of a car is
beyond all of us. We've been debating this in the newsroom,
which is not to diss the Toyota Aqua. It is
a small, reliable week and the economical vehicle. It is
great for a shopping cart. But I mean, why would
you come on? Do you have no self respect? You
know Aqua's going to come off second in a ram rad.

(51:00):
The Aqua cannot outrun the cops, even the cops on horseback,
and yet it's still the king of the carjacking. And
you would have thought the Ford Ranger, which is our
most popular car, would have been the most stolen, but
it is not. But after much deliberation, I've decided that
the reason the criminal fraternity loves to steal the Aqua
is because it's easy. So get a steering wheel lock.

Speaker 9 (51:23):
Andrew Dickens Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
A dispute between Prince Harry and the UK tabloids has
finally reached a settlement. Prince Harry has been suing the
publisher of the Sun for illegally obtained private information about him,
which was obtained between nineteen ninety six and two thousand
and one, so it's been very expensive for him that
he settled. He has agreed to a deal said to
be worth more than twenty million New Zealand dollars and

(51:49):
Rupert Murdock's taboids, but not Rupert himself have apologized to
him for a serious intrusion into his private life. So
I'm joined now by Royal correspondent Victoria Arbiter. Hello Victoria,
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 19 (52:03):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
How has Prince Harry what's his response been?

Speaker 19 (52:08):
Well, Prince Harry issue a statement via his lawyer and
he described the outcome the settlement as a monumental win.
He appeared to be absolutely delighted, if not a little
relieved that it is all over. You do have to
wonder if there's a part of him that's a little
bit disappointed, because he has previously talked about being a
dragon slayer, holding the figures that involved to account and

(52:32):
wanting to have his day in court. But at the
end of the day, the UK justice system is prohibitively
expensive that the cost would have been absolutely eye watering.
So hopefully this has given him the closure that he
had so long for.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
So earlier in the program, I said, Prince Harry has
taken the money and run and people say, well, look no,
he's held them to account. But the fact is Prince
Harry always said the dispute was never about the money
he was wanting. It was he wanting yes, an apology, yes,
all the admissions, but he was also wanting a verdict.
He's not getting that now he's getting a settlement instead.

(53:09):
So has he you know, has he has he taken
the money and run?

Speaker 19 (53:16):
Well, you raise a number of very valid points here,
and this is where it becomes quite complicated, certainly online
he's getting a lot of criticism from people that he
has settled. And this is what's tricky when you promise
that you're not going to settle and you're going to
be a dragon player. And it was just a few
months ago in a forum with The New York Times
that he was saying that for him, as you said,

(53:36):
that this was never about money. It's about justice. It's
about holding the responsible parties to account. But there is
only so much litigation one can take. But where it
becomes really problematic is the UK justice system, which I
mentioned before, and so without getting too dull about this.
In the crux of things are if he was offered

(53:58):
a vast sum of money as a settlement and he
chose to turn that down, if he got even one
penny less having one from the judge, then he would
be responsible for both costs on both sides. That is
a sum that I think even some of the world's
billionaires wouldn't be able to wouldn't be able to do.
So I think he's got part of what he wants,

(54:19):
As you mentioned that apology. He got an apology on
behalf of his late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales. But
what he hasn't achieved is the Sun newspaper being shut down,
or individuals personally being held.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Responsible, and also giving a president into the law, which
could have been handy in the future.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
But there we are.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
So this apology wasn't just for Prince Harry, but what
about the risk of the royal family who were snooped
on as well?

Speaker 24 (54:42):
Well.

Speaker 19 (54:42):
Prince William actually was the one that really achieved that.
In two thousand and eleven he quietly settled with Murdock.
And it's interesting that Prince Harry has previously criticized his
brother for settling he thought that that was sort of
the coward's way out. I think he was determined not
to settle. But interestingly it was Prince William. It was
his case that resulted in the News of the World newspaper,

(55:03):
another of nngn's titles, being shut down. There were responsible
parties there that were convicted and given jail time. William
also received a settlement. All of that money he donated
to charity, and he received an apology for himself and
the wider royal family. I don't think it's right to
compare the two brothers because they were sort of fighting

(55:24):
to different different battles, if you will. They were doing
this independently. But Harry has not achieved quite what his
brother did. But what he did get is that the
Sun admitted to unlawful practices, which it hasn't done before.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Victoria is always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank
you so much for taking time for us today. That
is Victoria Abata Royal correspondented as eighteen to six.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
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Speaker 2 (55:54):
And on the Huddle today we've got Rob cambell Aut
Chancellor and former Health New Zealand Chier and Nick Leggett
Infrastructured New zeal And Chief Executive. Gentlemen, good afternoon to you.
All right, So the Prime Minister Ladat has planned to
grow the economy in the State of the Nation speech
today and he mentioned forming a new government agency, which
was slightly ridiculed by the taxpayers unions because you know,

(56:18):
this is a government agency and they don't like more
public servants. But what do you make of the idea
of Rob Campbell? Is this a good thing?

Speaker 10 (56:27):
Well?

Speaker 18 (56:27):
I don't often agree with the Taxpayers Union, but they're right.
I mean, it's frankly laughable. There are huge amounts of
capital around the world and sovereign funds and in private hands,
and it constantly that capital constantly scours the world looking
for opportunities to invest. The idea that their decisions are

(56:48):
going to be in any way influenced by some tinpot
little new agency formed in New Zealand to draw attention
to this country and what we think are opportunities is frankly.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Laugh What do you think, Maca? And reminding you I
did talk to Tom McClay before he said he's going
to go around the world and shoulder Tap already influential
New Zealanders to be part of this agency to go
out and do this and this is what happens in
Ireland and Singapore.

Speaker 14 (57:18):
Yeah, well, look, I agree with the Prime Minister's diagnosis.
We're very good at saying no to things in this country.
In terms of the solution, I am concerned that a
new agency is being seen as the way the truth
and the light. Look, it's questionable, right. I'm also worried,

(57:39):
you know, what are our settings, our fundamental settings for
a foreign investment? Like here are there projects? Are there
businesses that are ready to take capital and to grow.
It's fine having the welcome at out, but the door's
got to be open when the person comes down the mat.
And it's really I think a chant for the government

(58:02):
to project a long term vision for where the country
needs to go and to remember there's significant pools of
capital onshore that we should be utilizing as well as
foreign investment.

Speaker 18 (58:14):
Andrew, this stuff is really a joke and it's been
going on. The previous government Frankie wasn't much better at it.
You might recall them bringing in a two billion dollar
fund to invest in sustainable energy projects. Not long ago,
one investment from that crowd, it didn't go too good.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
They've scarped off.

Speaker 18 (58:32):
This whole idea that it's sort of a cargo cult
mentality that success of New Zealand governments have had that
there is this money around the world that can be
brought in to solve our problems. And frankly, it's an excuse.
It's never right, and it's not going to be right
this time.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
There's a bit of a point there, right, because I
think Christopher Laxon has often said the governments can't pick winners.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
Yeah, they can pick losers. They're quite good at that.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
They're very good at that.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Okay, gentlemen, back in a few mony time. It is
a huddle with Robin Nick and it is fifteen minutes
to six.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
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Speaker 2 (59:11):
With Rob Campbell and Nick Leggett, and it is now
twelve to six, and we've talked about national in their
state of the nation. Of course that Labour's been meeting
as well, and Chris Hipkins has been talking and he
said we over promised and we underdelivered, and we're promising
now that our phone is back on the hook and
we're ready to go. So have you seen any evidence, Nick.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 14 (59:31):
I mean the first fit of evidence that people are
listening is the Courier poll that came out last week
that showed that Labor were ahead of National for the
first time since the election.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Now it's but one poll, of course.

Speaker 14 (59:47):
But I think it shows that the uncertain economic environment
means that people will be interested in what Labour's got
to say. I've been watching and listening very closely to
Barbara Edmonds, certainly in the finance and infrastructure areas. You know,
she hasn't been barking at every passing car. She supported
a lot of Chris Bishop's very sensible system changes, and

(01:00:11):
she's thinking very carefully about tax, about the way the
New Zealand economy needs to operate, the way that I
know Labor doing wide to thinking about how climate and
the economy can better work together. What I think the
nation is going to be looking for is economic certainty

(01:00:32):
from either the current government or an opposition government. But
I think Labor I've got to show they've done some
big thinking that their answer to everything is not restructuring
government departments and bureaucratic change. That's not transformation. Transformation is
actually impacting people's lives for the better. And I think
that's what New Zealanders, you know, are interested in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
But that poll, was it actually proof that they're getting
better or was it just that of course, nationals in
charge of of a failing economy because we've got in
Australia Peter. But Peter Dutton is now the preferred prime
minister over Albanesi and that's pretty much purely and simply
because Albanesi is in charge of a stuttering economy.

Speaker 14 (01:01:11):
Well, the old adage is that governance lose elections, oppositions
don't win them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
That's true, So that doesn't necessarily mean that labor's any better.

Speaker 18 (01:01:18):
So what do you think, Rob Well, I think it's
just another version what I'm hearing from Chris Hopkins, just
another version of I'm less of a cock up than
the other guys, which is not the way that New
Zealand's going to dig away, dig its way out of
its problems. So Labor has to focus on not just

(01:01:38):
what it thinks of the popular issues, it's got to
focus on the way that this economy can in the
modern world where there is a climate crisis, whether people
like to accept it or not, where there is incredible
geopolitical uncertainty, and where there is a really damaging level
of inequality of not just income but will and power.

(01:02:01):
It has to present a view of how New Zealand
can prosper in that world. And that's not just from
some kind of minor adjustments around the edge. In amongst that.
They've got to put forward some proposals that make some
short term benefit to people, but it has to be
within a long term context. The worst thing about and

(01:02:21):
they're repeating it, in my opinion, the worst thing about
what the current government is doing is that it is
pretending to people that they can have genuine better certainty
and security and living standards from playing around with the edges,
with these new things like mining and all that sort
of carry on. It's just to repeat if what we've
done before, it won't work, and they all frankly know it,

(01:02:45):
and I think it's very disappointing that Labor is seeking
to repeat that.

Speaker 23 (01:02:48):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Talking about tear politics, Donald Trump has come out and
threatened that to be a putin to go out there
make a deal boy and end the Ukraine War. So
do you think this is a good tactic or could
the deal looked terrible for the Ukraine.

Speaker 14 (01:03:01):
Mick, Well, that's I think the risk and the fear
of anybody who's listened to Donald Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine
over the last months. But to be fair to Donald Trump,
what he said previously and now what he's saying as
president to Russia appears to be somewhat different. It sounded

(01:03:25):
as though he was sort of going to meet in
the middle and that Ukraine tod have to sort of
you lose a bit to get a sort of a
peace set on one. But he is talking tougher to
putin now. Whether that is, of course just bluster, because
we know Trump's never met a political tyrant that he
hasn't fancied. Whether or not that's the case, we will see.

(01:03:46):
But I have to say I've been more optimistic on
what I've heard from Trump on this in the last
twenty four hours. But I just I think it's too unpredictable,
and really there is too much for you if Europe
and the West and the allies around the world to lose.
If Ukraine fools in an unjust way, and we can't

(01:04:09):
afford for that to happen many of us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
What do you reckon, Rob Well?

Speaker 18 (01:04:13):
I am in favor of anything that brings peace and
stops people bombing one another. Frankly, so I hope that
there is some substance to it, as I hope the
substance in many of the other conflicts around the world.
But I'm apprehensive that anything that Donald Trump does will
be allied to an increase in American power and influence

(01:04:36):
in the world. And I don't think that that is
something that we need to be encouraging. But if there's
a peace process, if it's a negotiated peace process, then
the world should participate in it, not just have it
sorted out amongst three tyrants.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Good stuff, Rob Candell and neglect it. Thank you for
your thoughts and your opinions. And in seven minutes to six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Red or Blue, Trump or Harrison, who will win the
the battleground states? The latest on the US election. It's
Heather Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get
connected US talks in B.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
News Talks B. It is now four to six. Earlier,
about half an hour ago, I in passing called David
Seymore's Treaty Principles Act divisive, and they've got a couple
of texts. Here's one from Rogers, says Andrew, there's nothing
to visive about David Seymore's bill. Well, I think there is,
because this protests that looks like division to me. All right,
that's the first thing. Well. Roger then goes on to say,

(01:05:34):
what's the visive about everyone, regardless of brace, having equal
rights and being equal under the law. I agree Roger, absolutely,
But what I don't get about David's Treaty Principles Act is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
That being.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Equal under the law and having equal rights is already
covered in the Bill of Rights. The Treaty of White
Tonguey looks at the relationship between two sovereign entities. That's
what a treaty is. It's between two sovereign agencies. One's
Mary and one's the Crown. All right, bill right, so

(01:06:06):
it's for everyone. So why have these three pillars actually
repeating a law that's already in place, the Bill of Rights?
David's law is the Bill of Rights. We've already got it.
But there we go. Now, the government has announced the
restructure of these seven Crown research institutes, and he's they've
also announced they're going to close down the Color and
Innovation Fund. Now is this a worry or not? I'll

(01:06:27):
tell you who'll know our chief science guy, and that's
Sir Peter Glackman, who's going to join me in about
seven minutes time to tell me what they're doing. He's
just written a report about it all, what they're doing
and how it will be better or possibly worse. I
don't know. We'll find out in seven minutes time. Here
O News Talks.

Speaker 17 (01:06:43):
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Speaker 16 (01:07:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
B that's good Afterdent, thank you for choosing the program.
I'm Andrew Dickens. It is now seven minutes after six.
So the government has announced a restructure of the seven
Crown Research Institute. So they're going to be merged into
three public research organizations and a fourth public research organization
will be established to focus on advanced technology. But the

(01:07:41):
government agency Callahan Innovation will be shut down as part
of these reforms. So is this good or bad? The
shutdown of a innovative agency, the Callahan Innovation Agency. Someone
who may very well know is the former Chief Science
Advisor to the Prime Minister, Sir Peter Gluckman, who joints. Now,
how I Peter, hi, Andrew, You've just done this review

(01:08:04):
and the report was released today, and what did you find?

Speaker 25 (01:08:09):
Well, the review looked at the whole architectures on science
and innovation system and make to set a recommendations from
what happens at the level of cabinet right through to
the whole of the sciences and the whole of the
innovation system, and then the bits that the cabinets made

(01:08:29):
decisions about already. I would say that about eighty to
ninety percent alignment between our report and what government's to
sign it. So I'm very impressed with the decisions they've made.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
But it is fair to say that when when it
was first suggested that there were going to be these
changes to these science funds, there was a bit of
a shock and horror because people believe that we need
to fund science publicly as well, because science is good
and science can then be monetized if it is good science.
So are the moves by the government going to help science.

Speaker 25 (01:09:04):
Yes they are, But I mean, I mean strategy must
proceed operations, and what this first report about and how
the government's responded to it, is about getting the architecture
of the system right. We are obviously working and we
have a second phase of our work to do, which
then government must consider, which will deal with more of

(01:09:26):
the operational details.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Does your report find that more government investment needs to
go into science, not less.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
Of course.

Speaker 25 (01:09:35):
I mean, I think the international evidence on that is
robust and I think our report respect makes that point,
but it also says we've got to get the architecture
and the basics of it right if we're going to
maximize the zeld's advantage from knowledge. I mean, I'm very pleased,
for example, that we're going to have that the areas

(01:09:56):
advanced technology which have been not well invested in New
Zealand and now identified as a priority good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yes, And you've been watching the sector closely, and you've
been involved in and you've been advising the Prime Minister
and so you know all this stuff. The government wants
to make sure the four new organizations are spending taxpayers
money the best way possible to grow the economy. So
in your experience watching the sector, was this not happening already?

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Well, there were a number of barriers.

Speaker 25 (01:10:24):
There were significant barriers which our report described in some detail,
which the government's also picked up in its announcements, between
knowledge being generated in universities and CRIS and knowledge being
able to be exploited. There issues over what we call
technology transfer, their issues over intellectual property, the whole lot

(01:10:47):
of issues there, and we've emphasized and the report and
some of the government decisions are about actually addressing those barriers.
That's key. Secondly, we've actually had a rather incuate public
research system where there's lots of duplication, competition between CRIS.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Where because of the model they've had.

Speaker 25 (01:11:12):
To operate under the incentives they've worked to and I'm
not criticizing the boards they work to the incentives they have.
We've got duplication, we've got gaps, we haven't got a
strategic overside over the system. So whether it cannot possibly
be the best way to spend the taxpayers money to

(01:11:32):
advance New Zealand's interests.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
And having four organizations where there still be enough competition
between them just to we write them up.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Well, what are we competing for.

Speaker 25 (01:11:42):
We're trying to actually develop knowledge which then gets translated
to use by the public, by companies and by the government.
The government itself is the big user of knowledge. And
we've got to be careful what we're talking about here.
We want high quality and we want competition to ensure
the quality of the research. But do we need three

(01:12:03):
cris all doing aquaculture for example or whatever. Far better
to get critical mass so we can do things well,
properly and quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
So from you looking at it, the four organizations aren't
going to be stepping on each other's feet.

Speaker 25 (01:12:21):
Well, let's be here, is really only we're talking about
two really too because ESR has never really functioned in
the same way as other as other CRIS. ESR has
always been a support to the health system and the
police system as a service laboratory with some R and
D capacity. It needs to be managed separately because it's

(01:12:43):
a client, either police and the client and the health ministry.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Okay, I saw it in a say that's different.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
The Advanced Technology Institute is new.

Speaker 25 (01:12:53):
We have nothing in that space at the present time,
and what we've done, what the government has done is
aggregated and there need to be something about the detail
the CRIS that are in the life sciences and CRIS
and the environmental science. It's to work better together. I mean,
it's a logical development.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
We also saw in his State of the Nation's speech
that Christopher Blaxer was saying that scientists should be motivated
to come up with good innovations by being able to
share in the monetization of those innovations going forward. Is
this a good thing?

Speaker 25 (01:13:28):
Well, at the moment is extraordinary different The university staff
in most I think in all our universities can benefit
when IP is monetarized in different ways, but CRI staff
are not. Now is that fear?

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Is that appropriate?

Speaker 25 (01:13:48):
In most parts of the world, all searchers can benefit
from the intellectual efforts. The incentive is not there if
you cannot get a benefit from making difference development discoveries
and an entrepreneurship. If you look at Israel, Singapore, Finland, Denmark, Ireland,
every small country we compare ourself to.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
It does this far better than we do.

Speaker 25 (01:14:14):
It's also problematic and that New Zealand has far more
of its research activity in research institutes than as a
relative proportion of the total research exercise as other countries.
And all of these things have been factors that lead
to New Zealand being not as productive as it could
possibly be in the knowledge world. And remember, and we

(01:14:37):
all know that the future of every country and the
advanced world requires it to be at the frontiers of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Well, it's very good news that we've still got your
eyes casting your eyes over everything. That's very reassuring. And
i'd like to thank you for your time today and
your experience and obviously your knowledge. Sir Peter Bluckman, thank
you so very very much.

Speaker 8 (01:14:59):
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Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I'm talking to Liam Dan while the air brak was on,
which meant that I'm a late in coming back into
the radio programs. So I'm very pleased to welcome back
to the program, Liam Dan, our Business editor at large.
How are you, leam hell Andrew? I can say happy
New Year because it's the guess we're still in January?

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
Why not? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
The Prime Minister had a State of the Nation speech today.
He laid out his vision to grow the economy. He
says a culture of saying no is holding us back.
There's always a reason to say no.

Speaker 14 (01:15:43):
But if we keep saying no, I'm telling you we'll
keep going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I made a slight joke about this earlier, Liam, because
we asked Christopher Luxan to come on and talk with
us today and he said no.

Speaker 26 (01:15:56):
He has set himself up, hasn't, he wrote, But anytime
he says to anything now, he's kind of got. And
I have a couple of ideas along those lines too,
So I actually think I really agree with the sentiment
of the speech today. I like what they're doing. I
think we need more foreign direct investment, we need to
sharpen up on the commercial side around science. I'm all

(01:16:17):
for all that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
But he.

Speaker 26 (01:16:20):
Talked quite a lot, specifically about Singapore and Ireland and
their models and how he's studied them and he's talked
about this before, and how this is where we're going.
We're going to have a specialist foreign Direct Investment office
invest in New Zealand, you know, like the Irish. But
what he's kind of missed and he could say yes
to these ideas but he won't is that and he

(01:16:42):
knows this stuff too, he hasn't missed it. But the
reason Ireland has such a fantastic track record with foreign
direct investment is because they've cut the corporate tax for
foreign direct investors, so there's a real incentive. It's not just.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Yes, well that I said exactly that to Tom McLay. Yes,
they do have government agencies, but they also have foreign
tax breaks as well for corporates that come here, so
you can't compare the two similarly. Singapore, you know all
the businesses are owned by this state.

Speaker 26 (01:17:11):
Yeah, well, there's a massive compulsory saving scheme there and
they require I mean, their taxes are low, but they
require everyone who works to save about twenty percent of
their income, which is then matched by the employers, so
that these enormous funds and that gets invested back into
the country and their own infrastructure and their own science

(01:17:31):
and technology. So that's another idea. So these are things
that they could just do. I mean, you know, if
you're talking about it can do kind of attitude, I agree,
you could just do it. Whereas, look, I understand the
reality is we're too broke to do that at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
So they're talking hot on twenty percent of something is
better than well, you've got to stay percent of nothing.

Speaker 26 (01:17:55):
Yeah, you've got to start somewhere. But the tax I
think that. You know, there's a couple of problems. One
is political that on the one hand, they've got act
on one side who would be happy to go along
with the lower tacks but doesn't like the compulsory super
And then they've got New Zealand first on the other
side that probably quite likes the savings and investment of Singapore,
but doesn't like the low tax and the foreign direct

(01:18:17):
investment stuff. So they are a bit hamstrung by the
political situation around it. There also are the centrists national
are taking a more moderate approach. But yeah, I mean
I really like they're doing. I like the direction, I
like the vibe, the cultural shift that's required. I just
think that it just isn't quite transformational there yet. And

(01:18:40):
if you wanted to really be transformational, you would just
do stuff the way that they used to do in
the eighties and nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
And my next question for you was to use the
word vibe. Yeah, and it was so based on all
of that today's announcement. Do they have teeth or are
they just vibes? Well, I think it is.

Speaker 26 (01:18:58):
Look, it's possible that we can make the whole process easier,
you know, But but what are we saying here with that?
You know, Zealand nz TE already does this stuff but
maybe hasn't been focused enough. What are we saying that
the companies that wanted to invest here were finding the
website too difficult to use, and we're going to do
a better website. Or you know, these are hard nosed investors.

(01:19:21):
They will come here, you know, if they want to
come here, they'll come here.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
I like.

Speaker 26 (01:19:26):
But but look, I accept a lot of this stuff.
The vibe stuff needed to be said and done and
was always a bit disappointing because it could have been
done by the last government. There's no reason why a
center left government couldn't also be sort.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Of one that supported the c p P T p
P T all that stuff.

Speaker 26 (01:19:43):
So so I mean, it's it's this, it's the kind
of stuff I think that is needed. And I get
this thing about the culture shift and the and the
the no thing. It's his main example seemed to be
that we didn't have the Taylor Swift concert, which was
weirdly specific. But you know, yeah, more concerts, maybe more mining.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
I'm a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Luke, little bit helps. That's right lovely to have you
at there sixty two.

Speaker 9 (01:20:09):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Let's talk about rural issues. Jamie McKay as the host
of the Country. How is it being back at work? Jamie, Oh,
I'm looking.

Speaker 27 (01:20:26):
I got I holiday. Needed a holiday from the holiday.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
Andrew.

Speaker 21 (01:20:29):
It's been good, good, good good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
But it's only Thursday and this week's gone on forever.
But there we go. So we've got two farms that
have been suspended from the New Zealand Marinos Q Quality
Standards Supplay program, which is a long name. Some undercover
videos appeared to show animal welfare breaches.

Speaker 27 (01:20:45):
Yeah, this is from Peter, the animal activist group.

Speaker 21 (01:20:49):
So look.

Speaker 27 (01:20:51):
New Zealand Marinos launching an independent investigation as his MPI,
as is the New Zealand Sharing Contractors Association. New Zealand
Marino chair Kate Mitchell said the footage and We've seen
it on the news, shows people standing on sheep's neck,
grabbing sheep, or dragging sheep across the floor or the

(01:21:14):
board of the sharing shard, sewing up a bloody wound
without painkillers. We used to do that all the time,
but times have changed. And basically she's saying these aren't
up to the values and practices of the six hundred
farms that are part of.

Speaker 15 (01:21:29):
This z Q program.

Speaker 27 (01:21:31):
Look, the best commentary I thought came from a woman
by the name of Jills Angus Bernie. Hello Jills, if
you're listening. She's a lawyer, was once held the world
woman's world sharing record five hundred and forty one lambs
and nine hours, so she knows what she's doing. That's
a lot Andrew, you just tried dragging that many out

(01:21:51):
and shucking them down the porthole. So she said, Look,
she's not surprised Peter has targeted New Zealand sheep sharers
because it did the same thing in Australia. What she's saying,
and it's true, is that behavior or standards have improved
drastically over the recent decades. And once again I can
speak to this with a bit of experience Andrew forty

(01:22:13):
years ago, I was sharer, and they're certainly the standards
are much better than they were back in those stays.
And she points out that when it comes to Marinos
as opposed to our crossbread sheet, you know, the Romneys,
the Coopworths or whatever. Look, they're wrinkly creatures. They've got
fine wool, nick stew happen, they have three times as
many capillaries as the British breeds, the likes of the Romneys,

(01:22:37):
So you do occasionally get more cuts, even with the
best of will. So look, I think you know the
industry itself polices this. If I've seen the footage. If
a farmer was in the shed when that happened, the
sharer or sharer's concerned would be sacked. They'd be they'd
be out the door straight away, and a good contractor

(01:22:58):
would sack sharer's behaving like that. So I think they've
cherry picked some of the worst behavior. You know, there's
baby eggs and every basket.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Were going forward. We hope for an outbreak of common sense,
which is rare these days, but there we have it.
Some shareholders of the Alliance Group are worried about what
might happen if the cooperative fails to raise you capital here.

Speaker 27 (01:23:17):
Well, the Alliance Group's been in the news obviously in
recent times. They've suffered a couple of big losses. They
need to raise two hundred million. They announced it last
month's annual meeting down in South and that they paused
their capital raising program through livestock production and the issuing
of new shares. Look, I'm not saying they're running out
of rope. The sheep meat industries on the improved this year.

(01:23:41):
But if they can't get someone to front up with
two hundred million dollars, and I'm not sure the banks will,
they may have to look at a hybrid farmer cooperative
cooperative ownership model, a bit like silver Fern Farms, or
just put the whole shooting works on the blocker and
sell it. Whether there would be a buyer, I don't
think so. The other players in the market would like

(01:24:02):
to pick up their shares or their plants, perhaps through attrition.
Andrew Morrison's leading the group. He's the former chair of
Beef and Land New Zealand. He raised a good point
the most successful co op in this country is Tatua
Derry and Mournsville, forty four percent of a farmer's total
enterprise is in shares. Fronterra it's ten percent alliance at

(01:24:25):
the moment is only sitting at zero point six percent.
So he's arguing, if you want a strong cooperative, you've
got to put your money where your mouth is and
invest in it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Good Daie McKay from the country our co DoD ed
z put the news on the way and then went
toing to Peter Griffith Tech commentator, because all of a sudden,
a whole lot of people on social media have found
that they're following Donald Trump, Millennia and Jady Vance. Why
tell your.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Next Everything from SMS to the big corporates of the
Business Hour with Andrew Dickins on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
V Yes, welcome back. It is now twenty three to seven.
If you I can music, you'll know that this is
the beginning to Cold Chisel's track The War Is Over

(01:25:19):
Magnificent ballads. Jimmy Barnes on lead vocal. And I'm playing
this because this weekend I'm going to see Cold Chisel
live in Kittianga as part of the Greenstone Summer Concert Series.
This is the Cold Chisel fiftieth Anniversary Reunion Tour, and
they're playing along with ice House and beck Runner and Everclear.

(01:25:44):
I haven't seen there it of he is. I haven't
seen Cold Chizzls since nineteen seventy eight when they played
support for Rod Stewart, and I haven't seen ice House
since nineteen eighty two when they came to Sweetwaters and
they were caught the Flowers. So I'm going along to
see two of my favorite bands which I haven't seen
in a very long time, and I'm really looking forward
to it, and I think you should see it too.

(01:26:06):
There are still tickets available for the Topol and Fittyanger concerts.
Topaul is Saturday, Fittianga is Sunday. Get at Greenstone dot co,
dot ms head the website and other people putting the
whole thing on. I saw a very fine review of
their first concert, which is at Zach Gibson Valley, that
said the musicianship was incredible and they also gave it

(01:26:28):
a name, and that name was boomer Pelosa, which is
a play on lower Polosa, which is the kid festival
Boomer Peloser. This is because the whole lot of Boomers
are going to be there, but can I just say
everybody knows these songs. Everybody knows Cold Chizel and Ice
House because every radio station plays them. So if more
young people would like to come along, they would be

(01:26:50):
really good, because I don't want to be surrounded by
just like thousands of silver hairs all back you up
as well, Andrew.

Speaker 28 (01:26:55):
The Topoor event is at the Amphitheater at Riverside Park,
which is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
A superb ben, super beautiful.

Speaker 28 (01:27:01):
Then you go to a gig there, go to this
gig or some gig there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Absolutely and for Tianga is at the Waterways and I
think it's about one hundred and eighty bucks. So there
we go. It is twenty one to seven, right. Some
users of Facebook and Instagram are complaining that their accounts
have randomly started following Donald Trump. Some accounts have started
following Millennia and others. Vice President J D. Vance, singers

(01:27:25):
Demi Lavoto, Levato, excuse me, Demmie Levato, and Gracie Adams
have posted complaints about this and complain that Meta won't
let them unfollow them. In fact, they turn off the
whole thing. They turn off that they go right, they
get rid of the entire social media platform. They go
back on and look at that, it's back there again.
So how the hell is this happening? Peter Griffin as

(01:27:47):
our tech commentator and joins us.

Speaker 11 (01:27:49):
Now, Hello, good evening, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
So why, well, look, it's not.

Speaker 11 (01:27:56):
That suddenly the Trump administration has has forced everyone to
follow the president and the vice president. What's happened is
that a lot of people on Facebook were obviously following
the Facebook accounts off Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and others.
They've been handed over to the new administration. So that

(01:28:18):
looks as though suddenly people are following the president and
new posted coming from that administration. But it's a change
of people, not a change of the office. What is
interesting is that then people have gone, oh, I don't
want to be following Trump. They've tried to unfollow him,
and something's gone wrong there. So that seems to be
a technical issue, perhaps because so many people have tried

(01:28:42):
to unfollow some of these accounts at the same time,
But it shouldn't take any longer than a couple hours
for that to resolve.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Could the technical issue be that Mark Zuckerberg is currying
favor with Donald Trump?

Speaker 11 (01:28:56):
Look, I doubt it would. That would really be going
too far. But what we have seen obviously this week
is the bending off the knee off the tech billionaires
to Trump, and Zuckerberg in particular has been the first
to really start changing policies at his company to suit
the new new administration. So it's a nice conspiracy theory,

(01:29:17):
but I'd put it down to technical gremlins.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Okay. And so just to repeat, if you've followed Potus
or if you follow the first lady and they all
had their own Facebook accounts, of course that've changed. Therefore
you end out following uh, Donald Millennia and JD.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
Vance.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
What is Meta saying about all of this, about why
the people are struggling to unfollow them?

Speaker 11 (01:29:41):
Yeah, as far as I know, they've said that it
should be an automatic process. If not, try it, try
it again. So look, they do this all the time.
They've got, you know, all this cloud infrastructure around the world,
all this great technology, but often you know, their platform
just breaks. So I think it will be a matter
of that they'll be scrambling to fix it. But the

(01:30:05):
bigger issue I think with Meta at the moment is
the announcement they made a couple of weeks ago that
they're doing away with fact checking on the platform, first
in the US, then they will stop doing that internationally.
They used to partner with in some cases news organizations
to check some of the real viral hoaxes and the
real nasty misinformation on their platform. So they're giving up

(01:30:27):
on that. They're replacing that with what's called community notes,
which Elon must uses on Twitter, which is effectively saying,
we'll just let the community decide what is true and
what's not. And the reality is that's a lot cheaper
to do, and it really is philosophically for Zuckerberg from
day one when he set up Facebook back in two
thousand and four, he did not want to be the

(01:30:49):
arbiter of truth on that platform. He wanted it to
be a platform where anyone could say what they want.
So he philosophically believes and freedom of speech, you know,
in an absolutist sort of way, not really cognizant of
the fact that he's got four or five billion people
on his platform and misinformation does a lot of harm
spreading on that platform.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Yeah, absolutely, Well we all know that, but you know, ah,
the battle of virtue. So Dow, Look, there's another issue.
People have been saying that the hashtag hashtag democrat was
also being blocked on Instagram this week. Is that true
and what is that about?

Speaker 11 (01:31:28):
Well, you know, again that would be I would put
down to a technical issue rather than a deliberate Look,
if Zuckerberg is saying, hey, it's free reign on freedom
of speech, now, you know hashtag democrat is not going
to be a particular issue. So you know, I would suggest,
you know, when you have a change of administration like this,

(01:31:51):
a lot of people were going on too social media,
spiking the traffic and they're having problems related to that,
rather than you know, the Zuckerberg sitting is office in
Silicon Valley going I'm going to stick it to the
Democrats now that Trump's in charge. I just don't think
there's enough offer evidence to stack that up. Again, I
just put it down to technical problems.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Peter Griffin always loving to talk to you, and I
thank you for your time today News Talks here. It
is now sixteen to seven. We're going to the International
Correspondence at a few moments time. Text threw from Bill
who says great memories Andrew first time seeing Cold Chisel
was at Sweetwaters around eighty three eighty four, Barnsy climbed
up the speaker stack with a bottle of bourbon. I
know I was there. Then he screamed at the punters

(01:32:33):
cooling up in the hot dog stand that he had
a better option. Hell of a time. Can I tell
you why I was there? Because I built the Sweetwater's site.
That was my summer job. I built the speaker stack.
The reward for me and three other guys were spending
two days building the speaker stack out of scaffolding was
that we were allowed to climb up the speaker stack
during the Cold Chisel concert. So right, that was the

(01:32:57):
second time I've seen him. I know I have to
wind up, but this is an awesome story. So anyway,
I climbed up the speaker stack and there was the
crowd from Sweetwaters all in front of me, and there's
Cold Chisel down there. And then I see Jimmy Barnes
looking up and he's got a bottle of he actually
had a bottle of vodka. And he climbs up the
speaker stack and joins U up there, and he pops
his head up and he goes okay boys and starts

(01:33:21):
singing three feet away from me. Go and look at
the video. The skinny guy on the right, that's me
fourteen to seven.

Speaker 9 (01:33:30):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
The Business Hour with pre Dickins on News Talks V.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Sorry less. He was at that gig too, and he
was at the front and he could see the roadies
tried to get him down, and he kept on singing.
That is absolutely true. He is a monster machine, all
right to indinational correspondents and end of Brady joins us.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Now, Hello, Enda, Hello Andrew, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
I'm be very nostalgic the boat. But when I lived
in the UK back in nineteen ninety, one of the
big concerns at the time was the rise and rise
of knife crimes. And here we are in twenty twenty
five and more knife crimes. We've got that self tech,
of course, and so now they're going to have another
crecket trying to crack down a knife crime with new laws.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Yes, so he's being sentenced today.

Speaker 29 (01:34:20):
Axel rue de Cubana, eighteen years of age, has pleaded
guilty to three murders last summer in Southport.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
For anyone who doesn't remember that it.

Speaker 29 (01:34:28):
Was a little little girls basically party day for a
Taylor Swift Team dance class, and this guy turned up
with a knife and started randomly attacking seven and eight
year old girls and three of them are murdered, several
other injured. Appalling, and then obviously people take the social
media fired up by certain tech billionaires and we had

(01:34:50):
riots for several nights on streets of many English towns
and cities. Well, today he will be sentenced, so he
will be going to prison. I'm guessing for life or
multiple life sentences. Clear Starmer has ordered a public inquiry.
And what's becoming clear about this guy Ruder Cabana is
that he was found with a knife.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
On ten previous occasions.

Speaker 29 (01:35:10):
He was kicked out of schools for watching violent material
on school computers. There were multiple, multiple chances to stop
this guy. So anyway, in terms of solving knife crime,
Starmer's big idea is that from now on, you will
not be able to buy knives online without ID. You
will have to uload a document like a passport or
a driving license, and in addition to that, you will

(01:35:32):
have to upload a video of you talking so that
the retailer can see who you are. But quite frankly,
how people are able to buy and they're not. When
you say a knife, these are machetes. Some of these
young guys are carrying wells.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Will there big differentiation between you know, I just want
appearing knife, okay, yeah, versus of course military style knives,
hunting knives and machetes.

Speaker 29 (01:35:56):
Yes, yeah, yeah, it'd be fair. It'd be for all
knives bought online. There will be obviously this new regulation,
but it's becoming because the UK is so tight on
gun crime, criminals and anyone who wants to hurt someone
has no prospect of getting hold of a gun whatsoever,
so they all carry knives and people are making an
awful of money out of this, the big online retailers,

(01:36:18):
who I'm not going to name check, the most prominent
one is where this guy bought his knife front So
this should have been done decades ago.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Are you still in Davos.

Speaker 29 (01:36:29):
I am Guten Morgan from Davos. I'm high in the
Swiss Alps and we're just making our way in now.
And I say, in about ten kilometers there will be
the usual police cordon where they stop and check everyone,
and in you go to mix with the global elites
and the billionaires and staggering.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Who you see in the streets.

Speaker 29 (01:36:47):
Just the last couple of days, I was going live
on TV yesterday Anti Arty World and Antonio Guterres walked
right past me. The UN Secretary General Mark Rutta from NATO.
You see all these people. Good fortune to get in
and here Zelenski speak the other day. What a powerful
speaker he is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
And Donald Chump's gonna have a speech here.

Speaker 29 (01:37:09):
He will be joining online tonight, so he's been twice
previously in person when he was president first time round.
He is not going to be there tonight, but he
is the biggest shadow over the whole summit this week
because obviously what he says, what he wants to do,
will impact all of these countries and all of their citizens.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
So he's dialing in at five pm Swiss time.

Speaker 29 (01:37:31):
Where are we now, We're coming up to seven am
in the morning here, so everyone will be watching and
waiting in ten hours time to see what Donald Trump
says and how big a deal he makes of tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Okay, and Ednie Jones, our favorite Australian rugby coach, gosh,
we love him, got a job for a while and
egan and help destroy that team as well. I'm sorry anyway,
he's still got a job within rugby. What's he up to?

Speaker 29 (01:37:57):
Well, as we say in Ireland, come home, agent John,
your work is done. He has landed a job with ITV,
so this is the terrestrial British broadcaster. They show all
of the Six Nations rugby games, so he will be
commentating and analyzing, believe it or not, England's performances. Now
he left England under a cloud. Steve Borthwick is their

(01:38:20):
coach and manager. Now clearly there's a bit of beef
between the two of them.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
England are not going to.

Speaker 29 (01:38:26):
Do anything this year from everything I've been hearing from
people in the training camp. They have injuries, they have problems,
morale is quite low and they head to Dublin next weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
So good luck with that. We have won two Six
Nations on the spin, we will.

Speaker 29 (01:38:40):
Win a third and it's gonna be as Donald Trump
will say, it's gonna be beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah, that's quite good. That's quite good. But of course
you're obviously biased typical biased media because you in fact Irish,
so you know, well I don't believe you, So I'm
gonna go goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Six to seven, getting ready for a new administration in
the un squad will be the impact. It's the Business
Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my HR, the HR
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Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
This was a big time for me to go an.
I'd like to thank producer Laura and also producer ants.
Who's going to play a song for us now?

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
Now?

Speaker 28 (01:39:18):
The Doobie Brothers long train running to play us out
tonight because they have made it into the Songwriters Hall
of Fame. They were inducted alongside You're going to have
to help me with these ones. Andrew, George Clinton, Ashley Gorley,
Rodney Jing Jerkins, Ronney Jerkins, Mike Love and Tony McCauley.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Mike Glove from the Beach Boys, George Clinton from funk Adelic. Yeah,
very good. I can't believe the Doobies weren't already in there.

Speaker 28 (01:39:42):
Yeah, I tell you what. The controversial thing though, nominees
who didn't actually quite make it in this year Eminem
Janet Jackson, n WA. Those should all be shoe and surely.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
The Doobies have a brand new album coming out first
in ten years shortly and Tom Johnston singing and also
Michael McDonald's.

Speaker 15 (01:39:55):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
That's something to look forward to. What I've got to
look forward to tomorrow is Friday, the end of the week.
I'll see you.

Speaker 10 (01:40:03):
Then not again.

Speaker 8 (01:40:36):
Keep keep on, give on

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
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