Full Show Podcast: 23 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the Spith spins to find the real story.
Oring It's Heather duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand
Let's get connected News Talks AV.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Apparently
foreign actors have been trying to interfere with our space gear.
We're going to speak to Judith Collins. The homelessness report
is finally out in Yes, homelessness has gone up, and
Federated Farmers as cross at Green Priest and wants its
charity status stripped.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, chat to them, Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
So guess what's happening after Nichola Willis's butter meeting with
Fonterra last night. Nothing After hyping the meeting, after Mikey
chasing Miles down the street, after the news going live
with the banner across the TV that the Fonterra meeting
is under way, after all of that, nothing is happening
because nothing can happen because Fonterra is not ripping us off.
We're simply paying the same international price as everyone for butter,

(00:56):
which Nichola knows because she's an intelligent woman and woman
and because she used to work for Fonterra as well.
So nothing has come from the meeting. There is no
announcement about what is being fixed, Miles Hurral is not
resigning or apologizing, and the price of butter is not dropping.
All that has happened is that Nichola Willis has fronted
up for the media today and told them that Miles

(01:16):
Hurral will talk to them at some time soon to
explain how the price of butter works, which is a
nothing outcome, in which case you have to ask yourself
the question, what was the point of the meeting? If
Nikola actually truly does understand the mechanics of butter pricing,
and presumably then also understands that Fonterra isn't ripping us off,
and also had no plans to announce anything after this meeting,

(01:37):
why hype the meeting? I can answer that question for you.
Because she wanted to pass the buck. She wanted to
blame Fonterra, because National is feeling the pressure over the
fact that Labour is now more trusted to deal with
the cost of living crisis than National is, according to
the EPSOS survey which is out this month. Because the
heat is being cracked up, cranked up on National, who
have talked a very big game about getting the economy

(01:58):
back on tracking. Yet eighteen months it's still very much
off track to the extent that people cannot afford. Butter
Nikola tried to shift the blame from National to Fonterra
and it didn't work. Now the lesson here is that
performance politics doesn't work. Blaming the supermarkets but doing nothing,
blaming Fonterra but doing nothing, blaming the banks but doing nothing.

(02:19):
That kind of stuff doesn't work, and in fact it's risky.
It runs the risk of backfiring, which is exactly what's
happening here.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Hi, Nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Is a text number. Standard text fees apply, of course.
Now how good is this? The major concert route is
over for Wellington. The capital is going to be flooded
with Ed Sheeran fans in January next year. This announcement
comes after stars like Lewis Capaldi and our very own
Lord have skipped over the city in their New Zealand tours.
Chief Executive of Wellington, New Zealand, Mark old Ashore is
with us a mark you good, thank you? Did you

(02:53):
have to convince ed to stop by?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
It has been quoted in the past of saying Wellington's
favorite city in the world, so it's great to see
him back.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Did you have to convince it to stop by? Not
at all, Not at all. No, I wasn't buying. I
wasn't buying your quote there. Why does everybody else pass you?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Mark?

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Look, I think that's slightly unfair, Heather. We've had a
look in terms of supporting events. Who have had a
couple of great weekends for Wellington with you all Backs
and Wrexham, and we continue to attract like really good
events and concerts as well. We recognize that, you know,
we've got a significant stadium and and another arena that

(03:38):
holds about five and a half thousand people with them
not a lot in between, so you know, there are
some challenges there, but there are all sorts of challenges
right across New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
At the moment.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
He's an expensive place to come and you know some
of these some of these concerts are pretty big concerts,
so you know, freight costs and all those sorts of
things certainly play into them.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
When was the last time you guys had a gig
at sky Stadium front of the food fighters?

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think it was.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah. Look and I'm only going on from memory as
a as a member of the public. I'm reasonablying new
into my position. But the Food Fighters was a great
concert each year and was here in twenty twenty three.
Forty eight thousand people were in the stadium. It was
the biggest event that the stadium's ever held. So you know,
we're expecting the same this time as well.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, congrats on the job. Mark. When did you take it?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
About six weeks ago, so we've had We've had a really, really,
really busy time and that last three people.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
What were you doing beforehand?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I was with vocational education for a while, ti Stree
Education and then part of that, I've got a history
in tourism and events management.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh cool, Okay, see, yeah, you do know, you do
know what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
You're do you reckon? You've got your work cut out
for you, trying to get Wellington's brand back up.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Look, I think I think, to be honest with you,
and I'm saying this slightly SOI officially it's a great
time to come onto this role, this job. I think
I think Wellington's you know, starting to see that real
turn and you can sort of sense it you can
censor talking to hospitality sector, you can censor talking to
some of the businesses around here. I think Wellington's starting
to feel really positive about itself.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Again, what do you think is started? Is it their
local body elections at the end of this year that's
starting to turn things around?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I mean, we'll we'll wait and see what comes out
of the local body elections. But it's up for the
public to decide what do.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
You reckon Wellington needs to do to get the vibe
back up. And I'm just thinking that probably the best
things that happen in Wellington are organized events, right like
Wow and the Burger Festival Wellington on a plate. Does
it need some of those big events on the calendar
to get people back.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yes to would agree. I mean, look, those are great
events for Wellington and they're both coming up, and you know,
we're just about to celebrate the twentieth anniversary of Woe
Being in Wellington, which is a fantastic achievement. It's going
to be with us for a wee bit longer. Thus,
certainly significant events. We do festivals really well in Wellington
as well. You know, with the likes of Cuba Dooper

(06:12):
and a whole lot of things like that. So I think,
you know, we continue to look for for events, for attractions,
for sporting events that suit Wellington, and you know that
my team, along with many others, continue to work really
really hard on that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Hey, look, good luck with the job, Mark, and enjoy
the ED sharing concert. That's Mark Oldershaw, Wellington, New Zealand
Chief Executive. When is ED playing? He's playing next year
in January?

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Isn't he.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Should the concert club bother going to it? Think about it? Said,
I've been to ED before, so you know, been there,
done that. It's not it wouldn't be It wouldn't be
weird for the concert club to go to the same
gig twice. I forced that upon them and maybe we
will go to Edd Anyway. The reason I was asking
when he's playing is obviously to play my own diary,
but also because January next year at Sky's Stadium. When

(07:01):
you think that the last concert was somewhere in twenty
twenty four with the food fighters, that's a long time
between drinks. I know Mark's job is to kind of
be like nothing, does he hear Wellington's vibing? Obviously it's not. Obviously,
it's difficult to get gigs in there. Like if if
you've had two stadium concerts in the space of what
like twenty twenty four to twenty twenty six, you're you're
having a drought. Anyway, so happy days for Wellington. They're

(07:23):
going to get something going on there. Hither, who needs
to buy butter if you can't afford it them buy Margarine?
I heard extensive interviews done this morning, extensive extensive interviews
on how you can bake with olive oil or cooking
oil instead, So there is hope. Can you though, beat beatye?
The German she knows how to bake, because the Germans
know how to do food very well, as you know.

(07:45):
They love their breads and stuff like that. Can you
bake with oil? Yes, carrot cake delicious, she said verbatim,
So you can do it. But anyway, there you go
on to some other actual news. The Duval people have
lost their quarter appeal. They went to court today because
they wanted to challenge having their assets frozen because in
their minds have done nothing wrong, as you well know,
and so they wanted the court to give them back

(08:06):
their assets, unfreeze them and give them back their passports
because they're basically under an overseas travel band. The High
Court said, no reasons, heavily suppressed.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
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Speaker 2 (08:24):
Hither why not in port butter? It's not serious? Okay?
Eighteen past four Darcy water Grave Sports Talkhoasters of Me, Hello, Darcy?

Speaker 8 (08:32):
How much just butter?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
These days?

Speaker 8 (08:34):
I must be the only person.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
How much is butter when you do your baking? Because
you're German?

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
She does, She's got too much money. She doesn't keep
an eye on She said, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (08:44):
I don't I don't indulge in butter.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
I've got no idea.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Why don't you we call Nichola Willis.

Speaker 8 (08:48):
I'm probably the only person. And you said, that doesn't
how much butter is?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Speak?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
All your butter money traveling the world anyway?

Speaker 8 (08:55):
No buying shoes.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Foreigners looked into this charity boxing match. What exactly does
the coroner want us to set up here? Is it
a regulator for charity boxing matches?

Speaker 8 (09:08):
It's hard, isn't it? Telling people what to do and
what they can and can't do, And it's all for
good health and acc and people not dying. I understand that,
But well, you can lead a horse to water and
invariably will drown. People are going to do things that
aren't good for them, and this is a tragic case

(09:29):
of cane Parsons, no doubt. But how much can you
lead to slate? We go back to run it straight?
All these other sports things are dangerous. There are amateurs.
They don't go out there to deliberately do something.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, I don't understand. I mean, look, I feel terrible
for this guy somehow, and and I wish that he
hadn't died. But if you mean, when you do boxing,
whether it's charity boxing or whatever, you know that if
you get knocked on the head that there can be
consequences as a result of that. What else do you need?

Speaker 8 (09:56):
Well, there's no surprise in that. I was asked, actually
by David Higgins of all people, many years ago to
one of his fight night things when they had so
called celebrities fighting so called celebrities, and I'm like, well,
I'm not really a celebrity as well, you're so called Okay, fine,
wanted me to do that, and I said absolutely not.

(10:16):
But what's in it for me why a one reason.
If something goes slightly awry, I'll find myself in a
really bad situation with my brain. And nothing is worth
that for me.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
It just isn't.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
I've got too much to be present for and one
stray punch at the wrong angle can be absolutely devastating.
And I respect fighters who're going through the ring and
do this. They're extraordinarily brave. But the risk reward or
the risk reward, people would say you don't use it anyway,
but the risk reward to me, the balance is not there.

(10:53):
It's an awful story. But I don't wear anything new here.
It's like, you know this motorsport, I love it. Every
time you get a land when you go to any
form of motorsport, what it says on the back is
motorsport is dangerous. It is. It's not tiddley wings. And
in boxing, you don't play a game of boxing, do
you know? It's not play fighting. So I think people.

(11:16):
You can't control people what they want to do. You
can warn them, absolutely you can, but you've got to.

Speaker 9 (11:22):
Let people.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Do what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
It's control formed and see can form consent. You cannot
argue that fully grown adult in the modern age does
not know that you get knocked to the head, you
can have a concussion or worse. Now listen, eight dollars
fifty for a five hundred grand block at Bulworth's.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Eight dollars fifty for a fine Well, what can you
do with that?

Speaker 8 (11:42):
I should know because my daughter from time to time
insists on baking and demands I get butters.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Just when you're by yourself. No, what do you have
on your toast?

Speaker 8 (11:50):
I don't eat toast?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
What do you eat?

Speaker 8 (11:53):
I eat porridge because it's winter, porridge and frozen berries
and the morning heaps and heaps of eggs and a
bit of granola with a splash of yogats more fruen.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
You have gone down a rabbit hole by Darcy.

Speaker 9 (12:08):
No butter, No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Darcy water Grave sports talk host will be back at
seven two.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Moving the big stories of the d forward alwhen it's
Heather Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand let's get
connected the news talks that'd be Hey, just.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
On that concussion, the boxing and the concussion that Darcy
was just talking about. It reminded me I need to
tell you about creatine. Have you heard about creatine. Creatine
is Darcy was telling me ages ago. Everybody was on
creating and lots of athletes use it for you know,
like a really intense and short lived energy boost, basically
because it's really good for your muscles. And creatine has

(12:47):
becomes kind of popular with women at the moment because
it's been it's being suggested that women who are going
through the change of life might want to take some
creatine because of maybe a mood stabilizer. But so then
it was read about it because it was in the
Economists with the headline should you take Creating? And what
they say is not only is creating as we all

(13:07):
as we all thought for the longest time, good for
your muscles and good for energy levels and stuff like that,
but also maybe really good for your brain, which actually
makes sense because your brain, right make it is basically
the most energy intensive part of your body. They did
studies and this is the thing that that made me think,
I need to tell you about it, Apropos the boxing.
They did studies on rats and they found that it

(13:29):
can actually reverse the impact of a concussion, so there's
about a fifty percent reduction and damaged so that that
it's a bit sad. I'm sorry to tell you this,
but they would do bad. They would they would induce
a brain injury in a rat. Sorry, but then after
that would give them the creatine and then it would
kind of undo fifty percent of that. So there you go.
If you look at thinking, jeez, I need to add
something to my daily diet. I need to I need

(13:50):
another supplement to take along with my calcium and my magnesium,
and my vitamin D and my vitamin C and my
women's balance and.

Speaker 10 (13:57):
My barocas in the morning. Is that one of them?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Barocas in the morning, magnesium at night, creatine all the time,
basically for twenty six Now, after Nikola came out of
the meeting with Miles Hurrel, she was I'm going to
just bring you up to speed with what she had
to say. She was a little bit surprised that everybody
was so into it.

Speaker 11 (14:15):
I'm quite aware that there's been a high degree excitement
about a private meeting that I had last night with
Myles Hurrald, a chief executive of Fonterra.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
The meeting was constructive and this is what she learned
about the price of butter.

Speaker 11 (14:28):
With a large proportion of the price you pay for
butter at the supermarket is dictated by global demand for butter.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hey, you didn't need a meeting with Miles to tell
you that. I kind of told you that for free.
In fact, you probably knew that. Also, there is the
margin that the supermarkets add on.

Speaker 11 (14:44):
It is a very small proportion of the overall price
that you pay, between five and ten percent of the
overall price that you pay, shared between Fonterra and the retailer.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Okay, so eighty five cents that you think is like
you're like someone's ripping me off. Eighty five cents goes
to Fonterra and the supermarkets. So I don't know, I
don't know. What do you think. Do we have a
problem here? Probably not anyway, Barry Soap have thoughts on
that when he's with us shortly. Hey, those things that
we were talking about yesterday on the side of the
motorway in Auckland, they were actually bombs. After all, they

(15:18):
were pipe bombs. So not an overreaction from the cops
at all, was it? News is Next.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Darkness, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talgsa'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Standing by out of the states and very sople with
us in ten minutes on politics. So it turns out
that there are some foreign actors who've been trying to
interfere with our space scare. What they've been doing, apparently
is that they have been setting up infrastructure on ground here,
pretending that there's nothing to see here, must be some
sort of business venture blah blah blah, and not being

(16:21):
completely upfront about the fact that they actually have connections
to foreign countries. Now you know, you choose rush All
China one of the two of them. Anyway, As a
result of this, apparently has happened a number of times
over the last five years. As a result of this,
Parliament has quickly rushed under urgency some laws a piece
of law to try to prevent this happening in the future,

(16:42):
and there's a bunch of regulations now. The most important
is that if you want to do something like that,
like build on ground some spacey stuff, you have to
get Judith's permission before you can do it. And Judith
is with us after five twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's the world wires on newstalks they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
So Trump has announced it trade deal with Japan. Japanese
exports to the US will still face a tariff, but
it's only fifteen percent. That's down from the twenty five
percent they were threatened with before. And as you can imagine,
Trump is talking that deal up.

Speaker 10 (17:10):
I just signed the largest trade deal in history, I
think maybe the largest deal in history with Japan.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
The US is sending its Special Middle East Envoy to
Europe for meetings on the Gaza conflict. Ceasefire talks will
be one of the topics of discussion. A number of
European foreign minister signed that joint statement calling for an
end to the fighting, and the UK Foreign Minister was
one of them.

Speaker 12 (17:31):
When you see innocent children holding out their hand for
food and you see them shot and killed in the
way that we have seen in the last few days,
of course, Britain is callner out.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
And finally, a boaty in San Diego has been arrested
after he crashed his boat into an aircraft carrier, possibly
while drunk. The carrier is the USS Midway, which has
been decommissioned and nowadays as used as a museum, and
the collision has left it into the side that will
cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to fix the boat.
He has been arrested on suspicion of boating under the

(18:06):
influence and fleeing the scene of the crash.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
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Speaker 2 (18:14):
Dan A US correspondence with US Hello Dan, Hello, Heather,
long time, no chet. Should we start with Ozzie Osborne.
Did you ever see him in concert?

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (18:24):
Gosh, yeah, I don't know. No, No, Ozzie was a
little hard, was not just a straight.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Essaw no answer. We're trying to remember.

Speaker 13 (18:36):
Okay, No, No, I have never seen him perform. It
doesn't mean that I wasn't intrigued by him. I mean,
and I'll tell you why. I think because he was
so real. And that's what everybody I've been talking to
here in the States have said about this. I mean,
he was very open about his drug issues and his
family issues, and you know, the ups and downs with
his relationship with his wife Sharon in later years. And

(18:57):
we like that kind of stuff. We like that transparence
a year in the US too, And like most of
the musicians have been saying here in the US, if
it wasn't for you know, Osborn, we probably never would
have been introduced to have you met, or at least
it wouldn't have become I guess so widespread to the
masses over here.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, he was certainly. I mean he's been credited with
kind of making it mainstream, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
He has.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
And if you'll listen to some of the musicians and
the fans over here that talk about him and why
they loved him a lot said it was because he
made it kind of more available to to the everyman.
And you know, it was his unique voice and he
kind of had this specific vibe I think about the music,
and he had chrisma and let's face it, he had
a cool factor going for him too. And I think
he enjoyed the theater right that he brought to the

(19:40):
music and we saw him enjoying it, So he enjoyed
it on stage, so we enjoyed it in the crowd.

Speaker 14 (19:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, I mean when you think about it, every single
Megasty out there, apart from each year and actually does
have a lot of theater around them, right, So it
goes to the theatory. Yes, Now, okay, is subpoena. Serious
about wanting to subpoena Gilain Maxwell.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 13 (19:59):
I mean this the GOP House Oversight Committee, and they
want a subpoena her. And she of course was or
is a British socialite who was found guilty as serving
you know, a twenty year sentence for convicted of sex
trafficking and conspiracy. So the idea is to subpoena her
to see what kind of information she may have. And

(20:20):
the House Speaker, Mike Johnson made this announcement, said he
was going to shut down operations in the chamber, he
was going to let everybody go on recess though early
before there's summer recess, to try and stop this from happening.
But you know, there's a lot of other Republican you know,
conservative hardliners I guess that are saying, well, wait a minute.
You know, this is about thirteen and fourteen and fifteen
year old girls being abuse, so this is this is

(20:42):
beyond politics. And you know, nearly eighty percent of the
American public say they want some sort of transparency on this.
So it's I don't think this is gonna this is
not going to go away.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Has this started to hurt Trump's approval, writings not yet.

Speaker 13 (20:58):
This is something that the Trump want wanted to kind
of get out of the news cycle about a week ago,
and then all of a sudden, when he saw that
the tide was kind of turning and Republicans, not just Democrats,
but Republicans were starting to say, well, wait a minute,
we need to know a little bit more about this,
We need a little bit more transparency. He was the
one that said, well, okay, I'm going to have you know,
my people be as transparent. He didn't say he was,

(21:20):
but his people be as transparent as they possibly could
in getting all these files and information out.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay. Interesting. So Putin doesn't want to deal with Trump,
does he?

Speaker 9 (21:31):
No?

Speaker 13 (21:31):
And you know, I was thinking about this earlier, Heather.
You know, we go back to the relationship and we've
talked about this before that Trump had with Elon Musk,
and we said this wasn't going to last. And I
don't think anybody could have seriously thought the same thing
with Vladimir Putin was going to go his way. I mean,
Russia is souring on the relationship they've got with Trump.
He's given them this time to wrap up the war
with the Ukraine or threatening sanctions, and he's announced a

(21:53):
deal to armed Ukraine, and Putin is always going to
prioritize war, and I think he's pretty confident Russia has
sort of got upper hand on this, and he's gone
out of his way, you know, for months to flatter Trump,
but he hasn't commented on the threats. And I think
Trump is really getting frustrated and aggravated that he's reached
out to Putin, you know, four or five six times
with phone calls and nothing's happened, and he's not getting

(22:16):
any kind of response and he's not used to that.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well, I should have expected it. Everybody warned him, Hey,
thank you very much. Dan appreciated that. It's Dan Mitchinson,
our US correspondent. So, Ozzie Osborne, do you remember this?
Ozzie Osbourne did that big concert. It was like Rock
to Wellington or something, I don't know, some name like
that I can't remember in two thousand and eight. Do
you remember that went along to it and saw Ozzie Osbourne.
Dan did not miss out on anything, not seeing Ozzie Osbourne,

(22:40):
certainly not in the last twenty years or something like that.
The most he was rubbish on stage. I mean, this
will be no surprise to you whatsoever, because I mean
this is the time he was shuffling around for donkeys' years, right,
So if you're shuffling around like that, you're hardly going
to belt the tunes out, do you know what I mean? Anyway,
it was nice to see him do his concert, but
the most the most memorable thing about his concert was

(23:01):
that he swore at us if you Wellington or something
like that, and then he turned around and flashed his
us us. He puught his pants down and flashed us butt.
I mean he must have been a man in his
sixties by then, but anyway, he did it, and then
he disappeared. He just disappeared off the stage for like
the longest time while the band continued to sort of

(23:22):
play some tunes and stuff like that. God only knows
what he was doing. I reckon he was going back
there for a quick nap because he was that old anyway,
And he came back on stage and finished it. But
I tell you what, I'll tell you. Who's not missing
Ozzie Osborne today is my mum because she told me
when I was a child, before I even knew who
Ozzy Osbourne was that there were these terrible people who
bit the heads off bats. It turns out it's Ossy Osborne,

(23:45):
so thank god she'll be like, oh, thank god we
got rid of that nonsense. Seventeen away from five.

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Speaker 2 (23:55):
Across the Kaffle with Federad Farmers and it tickets fourteen
away from five and Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, is
the high bearing good afternoon. So Nicholas wore on butter?
Is it working or is it backfiring?

Speaker 9 (24:06):
Well, the expectation was, wasn't it that when she had
the head of Fonterra up to her office, that something
was going to be done about the price of butter.
But you know, the reality was that nothing could have
been done about the price of butter. She does meet
with Fonterra from time to time, well several times a

(24:26):
year in fact, but where was the expectation created. Maybe
she would have been better not to have mentioned that
she's going to have a meeting with Fonterra given the
price of butter.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
No, she said, I am going to have a meeting
with Fonterra and ask them to explain the price of butter.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
Exactly, and so that was interpreted as being her being
able to drive down in some way the price of
butter by having a meeting with Fonterra, which of course
would never have been the case. She the she was
reminded by Labour's Barbara Edmunds in Parliament of her own

(25:05):
attacks of Labor over the price of food when she
was in opposition. Here they are.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Does she regret doing a Facebook video waving a block
of cheese complaining it was too expensive, only to see
it increase under her watch.

Speaker 11 (25:20):
No, not at almost to speaker, because what I was
highlighting at that time was that under the watch of
the government I was critiquing food price inflation went to double.

Speaker 15 (25:30):
Digits, double digits, mister Speaker, up over twelve percent, and
every week I recall coming down to this house and saying,
what you please. He's up on the waistful spending. It's
charging the inflation and kiwis are paying the price. And
you know what, there was a little election about that.

Speaker 11 (25:48):
Guess who won.

Speaker 9 (25:50):
Yeah, pretty uptight about it.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But does that feel a little wee one you lost?
Eat that?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 9 (25:57):
Absolutely. The thing is that she keeps coming back to
supermarkets and what they are, what their markup clearly is
by the supplier being Fonterra. There is an expectation I
think within the next few weeks. I inquired around the
Behave today that there will be some sort of announcement
by the government on supermarkets within the next fortnight, so

(26:22):
keep your eye out for that. I also looked at
what Fonterra gets and you probably know this anyway, Vonterra
gets for a kilogrammer butter is thirteen dollars fifty Now
five hundred grams of that is six dollars seventy five.
So the markup in supermarkets is not that massive when
you look at the international price, so not a hell

(26:43):
of a lot can be done.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well quite, I mean, that is exactly the point. Hey,
what do you make of the police target being moved?

Speaker 9 (26:50):
Well, this is yet comes back to expectations, doesn't it
In politics that you know, you should never put numbers
on things like police and other things like creating an expectation.
You'll remember National got into trouble in the first place
over this. They said that we'll have another five hundred policemen.

(27:12):
Initially it was two years then they said, oh no,
hang on, it was three years. Now it's back to
two years. They're not going to get there now until
about August next year, according to the Police Commissioner, now
the Associate Policeman, Ister Casey Costello. Very conveniently, she's the
one responsible for this particular policy. She said in February

(27:33):
she was even more confident that the target would be
reached in November this year. Well, of course they've got
another police college now in operation here in Auckland, but
it's not going to be reached and they're going to
come nowhere near the five hundred. Ginny Anderson, of course,
she's the Labor police spokesman. She condemned the delay as
an example of Luxeon's inability to deliver. But let's remember

(27:57):
the last Labor government promised eighteen one hundred new policemen
on the beat, they said three years from becoming government
in twenty and seventeen. They only achieved that in mid
twenty twenty three. And of those two hundred and seventy
weren't sworn police officers, so they weren't bopping to the

(28:19):
beat as we were assured they would be. They were
in the back office doing work for frontline policemen.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Tell me if I'm wrong, but that homelessness report really
was not worth waiting for, was this?

Speaker 9 (28:31):
Well, it's to me the figures are disturbing when you
think homelessness. Now there's people sleeping rough Yeah, are what
nearly five thousand people? Yes, so according to the last census,
that's the size of Dargaville.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, that's not what I mean though, Right, this thing
has been hyped up. Q and A was going hard
on it. Various media were going hard on it because
it was supposed to show us that ending the emergency
accommodation and cleaning that up has led to an increasing homelessness.
All of these figures are from the labor government. That
none of us is capturing the national government.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
No, it's not, and that's right. And to claim that
closing down emergency housing has led to people going out
on the streets, I mean interestingly, if you look at
the number of people that are living without any shelter
on the streets, the majority of them are older. Fifty

(29:25):
five percent of them are males and forty four percent females,
and they are over the age of I think about
fifty plus their age group. So they're older people that
are on the streets, not the youngsters with families that
need to be housed.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Thanks very much, Bary So for senior political correspondent. Let's
talk about the homelessness thing. Actually next it's eight away
from five.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the my asking Breakfast.

Speaker 16 (29:55):
Sophie Malleneiu is the CEO of Sky Television Television New
Zealand Sports wise, now stuff, aren't they No?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (30:01):
How is it possible that you go to the Rugby
Union and go, we'll take some of the all Blacks
and we'll pop it on to TV.

Speaker 17 (30:07):
Three.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Oh, hold on, no, we won't.

Speaker 16 (30:08):
We might sell the to TV and said, no, you're not.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
The Rugby Union is the owner of those rights. So
ultimately they've got a decision to make about where they
want to place some of the freeze ware rights.

Speaker 16 (30:16):
I don't want to bag on TV and said, but
it just means and this goes back to the ComCom thing.
You own a tremendous amount of very valuable real estate
now and for some that's hard work. Now, TVNZAD are
still the juggonaut though.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I don't think you can discount.

Speaker 16 (30:29):
That back tomorrow at six am the mic Husking Breakfast
with the land Driver, Discovery News talk z b Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So the homelessness report, I was expecting more of it
because it had been turned into something that Tama Portucker
was sitting on. And how to have been framed is, Oh,
the government's gone and you know, cleaned up the emergency
accommodation motels and turfed all these people out onto the street,
and homelessness had gone up. And he's got this report
and he's sitting on this report, and this report says

(30:58):
all of that. Well, look, maybe I am missing something,
but what I am seeing is a whole lot of
stuff from the census in twenty twenty three. Now, what
does that tell you? That's got that they have none
of what Tamma Putuck has done in it. The Census
twenty twenty three only captures what the Labor Party did
when they were in government. Yes, on the first page
there is some anecdotal stuff from councils showing that absolutely

(31:19):
they are reporting there are more people sleeping rough this
past summer than the previous summer. But what's it called again? Ants,
what's that that thing called? That you do Dunning Kruger. No,
the other one the what the Bard and Minehoff, thank you,
she knows because she's German. The Bard and Minehoff thing
is when you when you think you start, you have

(31:41):
confirmation bias, right, So if you start seeing rough sleepers,
then you see rough sleepers everywhere, and then you tell
yourself that you're seeing rough sleepers.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
Say and you point out either yea. It's like the
one where you buy a new car and then suddenly
you see think everyone's got that car because you see
that car everywhere.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So now I'm driving a BYD shark. Then I see
the BYD sharks everywhere. I think everybody's got a bid shark.
Do you know what I mean? Now, it's not to
reduce a I don't want to reduce this to like,
I'm not being silly and taking the mick about homelessness,
which is a serious thing. Obviously. I'm just saying anecdotal
evidence is not quite as firm, if you know what
I mean, as the other stuff though, when you're actually

(32:14):
counting people. But anyway, look, we're going to talk about
it shortly and get an actual experts take on that. Obviously.
Do you hey, do you know the story of the
young woman who was killed in the early twentieth century
in Wellington because she'd fallen pregnant. She's seventeen years old.
She'd fallen pregnant to her boyfriend. The boyfriend didn't want
to have the baby. He knocked her off, put her
body in the Mount VC tunnel. It's gramet. Put her

(32:35):
body in the Mount victunnels like you know, excavation stuff.
And then they took forever to find her. And when
they finally found her, they gave him the old the
old hanging job. Anyway, she was buried in an unmarked grave.
This is Phyllisimmons. She was buried in the unmarked grave
because back then that was a very naughty thing to
have done back in the early early twentieth century. Someone

(32:56):
has now put a gravestone down for her, and it's
not clear who, and it's a bit of a mystery.
So we'll have a chat about that shortly as well.
And as I say, Judith, on what we're going to
do about these foreign actors trying to interfere with our
space gear. News talks, be.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Questions, answers, facts analysis, The drive show you trust for
the full picture Heather Dupasy on drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Afternoon. Parliament has rushed a new law under urgency to
protect our space programs from foreign inter interference. It turns
out that on a number of occasions in the last
five years, foreign actors have tried to build space infrastructure
on the ground here in New Zealand, but have not
been on about their links to foreign militaries. Space Minister
Judith Collins is with us now our hy Judith, Oh,

(34:06):
can you tell us which foreign militaries we're talking about?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Well, I think it's enough to say it's the usual suspects.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
We so Russia and Chinese.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
I'd just say it's And of course there are other
countries that might well be interested in doing the sort
of thing too, particularly given our location in the world,
the fact that we are known as a space nation
now and we're very keen to be involved in things
and kiwis we can be a little bit gullible from
time to time because we like to take people, you know,
on as we see them. So we we have occasionally

(34:40):
had the security agencies of occasional in the last five
years had to step in and tell people who they're
really dealing with.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
What are they trying to build?

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Well, it's about These are things that involve things that
are involved in satellite data reception, for instance, space surveillance, identification,
spacecraft telemetry, which is basically the clleckching of data from
satellites and operations and operations of spacecraft. So it can

(35:12):
be if you think about so much of our communications,
our banking, so much what we do now is done
through satellites, that sort of information could be pulled off
those satellites or to be copied and used for various purposes,
and it could also be defed with. So these are

(35:33):
sorts of things we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Are there examples of genuine businesses, like perhaps even New
Zealand businesses who are busy doing it and on selling
the data not realizing who they're on selling it to.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Well, there might be, but I can't say for certain
that's true. What I do know is that, look, there's
a lot of people very interested in space, and this
is not about targeting people who just happen to have
an extraly, extra big telescope in their backyard. This is
about commercial operations and I think two is that in

(36:07):
the past, our security agencies have been able to talk
to the owners of the land about who's really involved.
At the moment, I don't think we can continue to
work on the hope and prey and hope. Everyone wants
to be part of the same team basis.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Okay, listen, while I've got you. What happened to the
me Than satellite?

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Well at number one twenty nineteen it percent it was
signed up to that previous government. We've obviously inherited it.
I think what they say to me is that the
satellite just they lost contact with it. They've got a
lot of information off it before it disappeared, But I

(36:48):
haven't had any reports as to exactly what happened other
than the lost contact, and that does happen from time.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
To Do you expect that they will give you a
report though, because we took the fairy it's absolutely yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's quite lot money. And you know, in twenty nineteen
previous government this was a big focus methane capture and things,
and of course nowadays it's mostly all about security. Oh
but look, so I have asked for a report on it,
and I will find out and once we've got it,

(37:20):
I'll let you all know, thank.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
You, Judith. I appreciate it. Judith Collins, Minister for Space,
Like I don't know if you if you picked up
what Judith was putting down, but it was the previous
government and it was a methane satellite, So you know,
tough titties five to eleven together do for see? Ellen
highly anticipated report on homelessness has finally been released. The
report shows homelessness rose by thirty seven percent between twenty

(37:42):
eighteen and twenty twenty three. Previous government and anecdotally, city
councils are reporting that the numbers of rough sleepers have
increased in this current government's term. Social housing commentator Bernie
Bernie Smith is with me, now, hey, Bernie, Hi, is
this report the slam dunk that it's being reported as well?

Speaker 17 (38:01):
I certainly think that the present minister's not living in
reality by saying that the information that's coming through from
various ngngas is anti data. I mean, it's it's factual
information that nesd M hand have provided it.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Okay, but it is it is anecdotal, isn't it? Because
it's counsels who are saying yep, and the numbers are
quite big Bernie. I mean they're saying, you know, in
Auckland's homelessness has gone up I think seventy three percent
in some places two hundred and something percent. It's like
massive increases. But it is still anecdotal, isn't it? And
does that count as much as actually going around and
counting in the senses.

Speaker 17 (38:43):
Well, I don't think even the census was accurate enough
on homelessness. So either because many of the homeless people
were not contactible or weren't interested in throwing in the
sensors because there couldn't see any relevance to their homelessness.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, well, it's also it's how to get a letter
delivered to someone who doesn't live in.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
A house, right exactly?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Can we blame it on the emergency accommodation being unwhound?

Speaker 17 (39:10):
I think we have to lay some of the blames
at that, because you don't get rid of or shut
down all the motels and then claim that said no
impact on the increasing numbers of homelessness. Fair point, But
we have a cost of living crisis and a number

(39:32):
of other things going on. A rental increases substantially, so
we've got people that once were comfortable even though they
were just surviving. Yeah, now falling into homelessness and to crisis.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Bernie, thank you, look after yourself Bernie Smith's social housing
commentator Pumacy of the Monte Cecilia Housing Trust. Yes, I
did almost say Bernie Sanders too. In my defense. That's
what was written in my thing, because we've got a
thing that you know, I've got a thing that I
read where it has a little introduction and then my
questions that I've put in, and Laura of the German

(40:08):
it's her fault because she wrote social housing commentator Bernie
Sanders is with me, and because I'm like Ron Burgundy
from an command. Its just what has written comes out
of my mouth. So that's what happened there, So you
weren't imagining it. He has been elevated to Bernie Sanders
status anyway. Moving on, looks like the jury has reached
a verdict in the Candala murder case. Now this is

(40:29):
the case where the woman is accused of killing her
her she's accused of bashing her elderly mother for the money.
It's being reported that the jury has reached a verdict.
It doesn't, you know, because if you go to court,
you know how it works. You get a little heads
up like whoop, the jury's reached a verdict. They're coming
into court. Everybody get into court. It feels like we're
in that bit right now. So we haven't actually had
the verdict delivered. We will bring the verdict to you

(40:50):
as soon as we know what they say, and we
are then going to have a conversation about wardrobes. And
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Speaker 3 (42:03):
Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Guilty coming back to that in a tick. Guilty though
eighteen past five now staying in Wellington. There is a
headstone that suddenly appeared at the grave of Phyllis Simmons
in Wellington and nobody knows how it got there now.
Phillips Simmons was killed in nineteen thirty one when she
was seventeen and pregnant. Her boyfriend killed her and she
was laid to rest in an unmarked grave in Karrori

(42:25):
in the cemetery and a family don't know how the
headstone got there, and neither does Wellington City Council. Garbor
top Taught is a Wellington historian and with me now,
Hi Garble.

Speaker 14 (42:35):
Hello, good evening, love you to be with you.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It's great to chat to you. Does she have living family?
Does she.

Speaker 14 (42:41):
Over in Australia. She obviously left no descendants because she
died at the age it was murdered at the age
of seventeen. But she did have siblings and over the
years they slowly migrated over to Australia where they remain today.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Who would have done this if her family doesn't know
that it has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 14 (43:00):
It's really really interesting. I mean, the fact that her
grave has been unmarked has been remarked upon over the years.
I do know that the Friends of the Corroori Cemetery,
a group that got going about five or six years ago.
We're actively engaging with Phyllis Simmons's family over in Australia
and they were working towards getting it, getting a gravestone

(43:23):
of some type put on the grave with the permission.
But this isn't it. This had no buy in from them,
and so how it's kind of appeared is a little
bit of a mystery.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
It's kind of nice, though, don't you think that these
kinds of historical injustices have been repaired?

Speaker 18 (43:39):
Don't you think.

Speaker 14 (43:41):
It is quite nice? But look, you really can't go
putting graves on other people's gravestones, on other people's graves
without their permission. You know, no permit was issue. Family
can see, you know, so going through the family, going
through the proper channels that sort of would have been,
that would would have been. It is a bit of

(44:01):
a no no. I mean. The thing is is that
if you've ever gone through Coroori semetry, you will see hundreds,
if not thousands of unmarked graves everywhere where. You see
an empty plot of grass and you think, oh, that
looks like a lovely plot. I wonder if that's still available.
It's a nice spot I'd like to be buried there. No,
there's someone under there. The cemetery is completely full, but

(44:24):
back in those days it was really expensive. The graves,
some of you may be familiar with them. They are
full length masonry, concrete graves. They were expensive items and
when you put in the include the engravings as well
as the grave headstone, they were really expensive. Now, for
the Simmons came from a very humble background. They weren't wealthy,
very working class. They just really didn't have the kind

(44:45):
of money that was needed, and neither did hundreds of
other families that are buried there in Coarori Semetry.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Garble, it's good to talk to you, Thank you, mate, Garble,
taught Wellington historian. This is the woman apparently for whom
we honk in the Mount Vic Tunnel, which is also
apparently not true. All dullen, Okay, let's talk about the
wardrobe and the Candala murder. Now I have when I
was doing Mike's show last last week or the week before,
I hinted at it, but I couldn't tell you everything

(45:13):
because the court case was still ongoing. But this is
a thing. You need to google. This. When this old
mate who's just got found guilty of murdering her mother,
when she first appeared in court, the first photographic you
can find is her in an orange outfit that I
swear to God looks like an orange jumpsuit. Like it
was such a bad look and she has sort of
an untidy hairdo and blah blah blah. Quite a make

(45:35):
over happened between that appearance and the trial. Nick minute,
you see her in trial and she has she is
looking flippin' awesome, Like the glow up is the business.
She's got straight hair, red lippy, beautiful mayup, olive green jacket,
cream blouse underneath. Go and google how to curate and

(45:59):
I'm Innocent courtroom wardrobe according to Gwyneth. Now you will
see that Gwyneth Paltrow when she appeared in her Ski
trial was wearing I Am not lying to you, basically
exactly the same jacket and the color combo was like,
it's like a ripoff of Gwyneth's look. But what is
quite unnerving is how do you get Gwyneth's look when

(46:22):
you are how do you glow up to Gwyneth's look?
Did you google how to look Innocent in Court? And
then find the article that is in Vogue UK called
how to curate and I'm Innocent courtroom wardrobe? According to Gwyneth.
I'm just gonna leave that there for you to think about.
Five twenty three.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand let's get connected news talk.

Speaker 19 (46:50):
Sa'd be by the way.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Obviously Gwinnes's wardrobe didn't work, did it? Because Guilty five
twenty five. So Oli Peters in our Australia correspondent, was
on the show this weekend and he was talking to
us about the ongoing fallout of the male childcare worker
in Victoria who's been busted in the childcare centers for
sexually abusing kids, and Ollie, father to two little kids,
admitted this, look.

Speaker 20 (47:12):
I'll say this is a blokeheader. I wouldn't want my
three year old being looked after a bloke in a
childcare center.

Speaker 14 (47:17):
I just actually think.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's to be odd.

Speaker 20 (47:19):
And then he said this, I just don't get why
a man would actually want to go into a childcare
center in terms of that that's a job that they
want to do.

Speaker 19 (47:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I've been thinking about this myself a lot lately, especially
since the story broken the last couple of weeks, because
as a mum of two little kids, you know, I
am particularly interested in it. I don't agree with Ollie
at all really that it's weird that men want to
work in early childhood care. Men are dads. Some men
love being around kids. They just genuinely and enjoy kids.
I don't think it's weird at all that they might
want to make that their vocation. But I am sad

(47:52):
to say that I do agree with Olli that it
would be uncomfortable for me having my kids looked after
by a male childcare worker unless there were lots of
women around to kind of keep an eye on things.
And it makes me really sad to say that because
men are not inherently bad. Men are not bad, right,
Most men are good and trustworthy, and it is unfair
that they're being tired with the same brush as this
particular creep. But while most men aren't creeps, most creeps

(48:16):
are men.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
We know that so men carry a higher risk. And
you can put any number of rules and regulations and
vetting processes in, but you do not catch all bad people.
Case in point, this creep in Melbourne somehow managed to
evade all of the vetting. You know, you can't even
catch all the bad women. There are plenty of bad
women who somehow get into childcare work and end up
smacking all neglecting kids or whatever. But when it comes
to the crimes that we are talking about that happened

(48:38):
in Victoria, they are so serious and they are so
damaging that I am sure that many parents will feel
it is not worth taking the risk with a man. Yep,
the vast majority, vast majority, vast majority of men men
no harm to kids at all. But because a very
very very tiny number do, it raises the risk profile
of all men, doesn't it. As I say, I am

(48:58):
sad to say that, because I'd like to think of
myself as giving everyone a fair chance. But if we
are honest with ourselves and setting aside, you know, wanting
to feel good about ourselves, we're honest with ourselves. Men
like this creep in Victoria ruin it for all men,
don't they ever?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Duplicy Ellens con.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Federated Farmers is angry with green Peace. Greenpiece has had
to crack at the trout in Gore. It's not on
the trout is you can touch anything, you can touch
the sign don't touch the trout. Not happy about it.
They want the charitable status stripped of Greenpeace for touching
the trout. So we're going to talk to them next
about that. And then the huddle.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Whose talks they do.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home it's hither duplicity Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Well, yeah, that means if you're insuring yourself with tower towers,
not going to offer the multi policy discounting them. Well,
you know the one where if you've got the house insurance,
car insurance, contents insurance, batch insurance, all the insurance, then
they give you like a discount of twenty percent or something.
They're not doing it anymore. They're the latest insurance company
not to do it. Bodo Lang is going to talk
us through that after six o'clock. We've got the huddle

(50:16):
standing by, and I need to tell you what happened
with you remember that the Indian Panthers in the National
Basketball League. It is an amazing story what went wrong there?
So I'll rang you through the details. Shortly twenty four
away from six now, the fight between Federated Farmers and
green Peace has stepped up a notch. Fed Farmers is
calling for green Peace to be stripped of its charitable

(50:36):
status immediately because last night in Gore, someone in green
Peace put crosses over the eyes of the trout and
then put up a sign underneath a Gore town sign
that said where dirty dairy wrecked the water. Jason Herrick
is the Southland president of Federated Farmers and with us.
Hello Jason, Hello.

Speaker 21 (50:53):
Heather, nice to be here next for reviting me.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
It's not that bad in terms of a protest, though,
is it.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Oh? Hey?

Speaker 21 (51:01):
Look, I mean it's spreading misinformation for a start, and
from a charitable organization you kind of expect a bit
better because there is no direct link to dairy farmers
for the nitrate levels and gore. And to be honest,
I'd like to see green pieces proof.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Where does it come from?

Speaker 19 (51:19):
On there?

Speaker 21 (51:21):
Where does it come from? Nobody knows in the point
of source. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a specialist
in that field. But for what the regional Council have
told us, they don't know where the point of source
is coming from, and they're working hard to try and
locate it.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
But have they said have they said categorically it's not
dairy farming?

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (51:41):
Absolutely, they have that said they don't know where it's
come from. They can't point the source, so therefore they
can't lay blame on anybody.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Okay in terms of I mean in terms of protesting,
though we have seen far worse, haven't we. Like I
actually want to give some credit to green Peace here
that what they did was easily removable, don't you think,
because the other lot, the hand bluer is they just
spray paint everything and you have to wash it off.

Speaker 21 (52:04):
I agreed, But on the on the other sense, it's
it's good that it come off without any destruction of
private property. Like Seriously, they were using cherry pickers and
so forth in the in the dark of the night,
you know, not during daylight. And to be honest, they
had a lot of house and safety implications. But what
they what they were doing, what they were doing variously,

(52:27):
Oh yes and no. But at the end of the day,
what they were doing, it had the potential to destroy,
you know, a pretty important monument and a gore. You know,
it's an identification and to go.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
But the thing is you have history with their mate.
They're just getting on your tips anyway, aren't they.

Speaker 21 (52:45):
Like Seriously, anybody who's a charitable organization should be behaving
a damn sight better than green Peace are, to be honest,
and and you know taxpayers are actually funding that because
they do claim back on a lot of that, so
on all funds given to them, if you know what
I mean. So they need to behave better than what
they are.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, fair enough, Jason, listen, I appreciate your time. Enjoy yourself.
That's Jason Herrick's Southland President of Federated Farmers The.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
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Speaker 2 (53:13):
You, Jack Time, host of Q and A Saturday Mornings
on ZB and David Farreh of Kiwi Blog with US
High Lads. Okay, Jack, can we confirm that Nikola Willis's
button meeting with Miles Hurrell was entirely pointless?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (53:26):
Well, look, look, the proof of the pudding is in
the eating or the churning in this case. So I'm
still hoping, holding out a hope that maybe Fonterra will
come out and find some elegant little pr solution when they'
say great news for Kiwi consumers. Finally, we've been talking,
we've been talking about this two track economy for so long.
We've been wondering where the impact of the of boom

(53:49):
times in the ag sector are going to be filter jack.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Stop it stop, stop stop stop. Let's just deal with
what you just said. Okay, so you think that there
is a chance that Federated Farmers fixes the price for nicola.
The only way that they can fix the butter price
for Niccola is if they drop it. And the only
way that they can drop it is if somebody else
wears that price, which is the shareholders. They can't do that.

Speaker 19 (54:12):
I think I think they might come up with an
elegant pr solution like what. You've spent enough time in
this business to know that that sometimes, well a lot
of the time, spinning takes the place of meaningful change,
and I think that's the likeliest scenarios.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Okay, what do you think, David?

Speaker 6 (54:30):
I think it was entirely pointless economically, because the price
of butter and international commodities is set by what demand
there is amongst billions of people and what supply there is,
and we don't like it, but that's reality. Politically, of course,
it's not pointless. It's to say, I care, I'm talking
to him. I'm kind of doing about is putting some

(54:51):
pressure on Fonterra, but his jack pays unless they take
a lot, they're unlikely to do anything. Now, sometimes you
can just to fight taking him over a school if
you think your reputational damage you've got to be so bad.
So that might be something that goes in the mix there.
And really what it will come back down to is

(55:12):
how big is the new Zella market compared to the class?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Okay, David, do you think because I think you make
a fair point that Nicola might have done it to
kind of, you know, look empathetic, But was it worth
it for looking stupid? Because that is the payoff here
is that Nicola called mileson and said I need I
need to understand how this works, and everybody said, well,
we can tell you how it works because it's really
bloody obvious. And it just kind of like the performance
was too obvious, don't you think, David, I don't know

(55:37):
that there's I don't I don't think any of this
is worse.

Speaker 6 (55:40):
It's probably unfortunate Nicola spent seven years working for fun
Terror because normally that would work a lot there. No,
she was involved in pricing for such a sector. But
it does allow people to sort of think you might
actually just have some idea, you know, I basically just
explained that global toply and demand. Yet but having said that,

(56:02):
the average person, people who read start every minute of
the day and listen to you NonStop, probably do get
about the circle. But the average personal just to think, oh,
the minister's trying to put some pressure on there on
our side. You people aren't there into them. A new
tie is about the knuckle the end of the day.
If it works, and then it works, if it doesn't work,

(56:26):
You're probably not going to have lost anything by having
the meeting, are you.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I disagree with David on that, Jack, because I think
what Nicola is losing is respect from commentators and losing
respect from commentators for performance politics only takes a little
bit of time before that then feeds through in negative
columns and commentary to the part.

Speaker 19 (56:48):
What's the alternative though, like that she does does absolutely
nothing like if she's weighing up losing a bit of
respect with commentators and losing a bit of respect with
Joe Public who didn't know that she worked for Fontier
for seven years and probably doesn't need to sit down
at the table with Miles Harrell with him saying, so
you start off with a cow, it's got four stomach,
take you take him into a big paddy with lots

(57:09):
of grass. I mean yeah, I just think in the
scheme of things, you know, it's probably relatively elegant politics,
and I can relative.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
I think us as a class probably over rate impact
on people who get zero support from commentators but has
been quite successful not their home. Comparing Nicola to Donald
just to be and let us not forget that that.

Speaker 19 (57:37):
Dare I suggest that that these good day prices, you know,
expensive buster for us generally means good dairy prices for
dairy producers, and like need to point out again we've
got a two track economy and arguably agriculture is holding
this country together at the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Listen, is this was this homelessness report that came out
today exactly that everything that you were expecting when you
were having a track at Tama Pawtucker.

Speaker 19 (58:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean well, he finally said in an
interview to me that this report would show that homelessness
numbers were up and that a lot of the frontline
providers were saying that at least government policy was partially
to blame. I think what is clear from this report
is that there's a whole heap of things that's contributing
to an increase in reported homeless numbers at the moment.

(58:24):
But it is interesting because the government's been incredibly successful
in getting those emergency housing numbers down right the total.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
What I'm trying to say to you is this stuff
is anecdotal, right. I was looking for some firm numbers,
and the best that we've got, as city councils are
reporting or kind of reporting that they're seeing an increase,
I don't think it's a slam dunk.

Speaker 19 (58:41):
Well, well, the problem for like Tama Portucker's previously said,
I think that like the census, is the only way
that you get absolutely firmed up numbers. I mean you
can go to different city councils and they do different
counts at different times. So I think the Hamilton City
Council is about to do their Aucklam City Council did
their last count just before Christmas, and you know that
they recorded this really significant uptick. Thint, the government changed

(59:05):
some of its emergency housing policy. Like I say, I mean,
if you if you can't link it singly to emergency
housing because they've done things like you know, they prioritize
families to the top of the social housing list, which
I think all of us would agree makes absolute total sense.
But also they have toughened up the criteria for emergency housing,

(59:25):
so if you are judged to have contributed to your situation,
then you can be declosed.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Let's go to break. Let's go to break, David, I
want to hear what you think caught.

Speaker 22 (59:35):
To to.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
The huddle with New Zealand southebyst International Realty the ones
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Speaker 2 (59:42):
Back with the Huddle, Jack Tame, David Pharaoh, Right, David,
what do you make of the homelessness report?

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Well, I think you have be very careful about even
the sense to start, because when you read about a
number of people homeless, you and I probably would think
that's people living literally on the street, yes, or living
in carts. But actually the census data ninety percent of
those called homeless and just what you call a transitional

(01:00:10):
thing where they might be it's been at a cousin's
face for a few weeks, et cetera, crash your friends,
don't get me wrong, not ideal, but not homeless. You're
living in a home, it's secure, it's warm, at safe,
so I think, yeah, it's very careful with any of
the start that comes out at the end of the day.

(01:00:31):
There are very good community providers like Downtown sahe Ministry,
Organs Emissions who are not at capacity, as in they
go around and everyone who's on the streets knows they
can go there if they want to. Unfortunately, you've got
really tough mental health, drag issues, etc. Where not everyone

(01:00:53):
takes them up. So yeah, what we need to do
is support those providers, but also understand that, Yeah, it's
not just a matter of available reversion, it's a far
more complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, I would agree with that, Jack. How do you
feel about what Oli Peterson said about He thinks it's
weird that men work in childcare and he would not
want his three year old looked after by a man.

Speaker 18 (01:01:16):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (01:01:18):
Well, I wouldn't have a problem with my children being
looked after by a man. What I would have a
problem is my child being looked after in any environment.
We're like teachers of any gender were one on one
with them in a kind of private space. You know,
I would find that a bit weird.

Speaker 18 (01:01:36):
And I think.

Speaker 19 (01:01:39):
No, no, I think I mean in like in a
public childcare.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
What's the difference because nanny I mean.

Speaker 19 (01:01:47):
It's ultimately it is ultimately a judgment call, like you
need to Yeah, I suppose you have to have It's
a question of trust, right, But I think I think
providing an environment in those public spaces where you don't
have the chance to get to know educators as well
as you might with a nanny or an O pea
or something like that, and I think, yeah, just making

(01:02:07):
sure that it was a space where educators aren't one
on one privately with children I think would be important.
But yeah, I have no problem with the guy. Honestly though,
I just I'm full of admiration because I just if
I am babysitting a toddler for more than about twenty minutes,
I am exhausted. I just can't. I cannot imagine a job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Get third friend, you got it coming at you. You're
only about six months away from that, David, what do
you think? How do you feel about it?

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
This angers me. I've actually bend a lot of time
on this sessue. We need more, Mayo, we see teachers.
That's all mean a pedophiles? Can we get passer? No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
No, that's not fair, David, Not all mean a pedophiles?

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Why teachers the same reason woman to you love kids.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yes, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I agree time, but.

Speaker 23 (01:02:59):
David ees with my kids there and you know what,
not having male teachers is bad. In fact, behind in
there is a male parent, the kids flop to you
because they're actually looking for those male role models. But
here's also the unfortunate reality, and this is what makes
it so tough for all those teachers. Kids are very

(01:03:20):
effecture that come up, They on your lap, they want
you to read books of them. And the entire time
if you're a guy, yes, at the back of your
mind you're just like, make sure there's other parents around,
you can see where are your hands? Where are the
is never totally relaxing. This is the reality unfortunately.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Ever since the Peter Las case, basically one's nonsense. So
I think anyone who takes their attitude about I don't
want a male there. I've been involved in scouting movement
that we need to speak. I've got to go, sure
does leave?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Okay, all right, thank you. I just felt that there
was another story coming and I thought, no, we haven't
got time for that. Thanks lads, appreciate it. David and
Jack Ohrdle The away from sex.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Heather, one of my best mates growing up, went off
the rails, has been living on the streets for twenty years.
I haven't seen him for a long time, but last
time I spoke to him, he said he prefers it.
He had and still does have other options. You just
can't help everyone, which is actually if there is look,
we all need to you know, we will want to
help everybody. But there are definitely some people. It's a
very small group, but there are some people who do
just not want to be in a house like they

(01:04:35):
want to this is this is their this is this
is their place is to be out. There's there's a
lot of mental health issues and stuff like that. But also, look,
I am not averse to the idea that rather than
looking to the state, as in you and I to
pay the bill for the motel. You know, when you're
in trouble, you go I need some help. Can the
government give me help? I think rather than turning to

(01:04:56):
the government in the first instance, I would like us
to maybe ask people to turn to their friends and
family and you know, their people first go to your cousin,
go to your auntie, go to your mum, go to
your sister, go to whoever. Go and get help from
them first before the state steps. And it should be
a last resort because, man, I'll tell you what I
know at least two people who've ended up in this

(01:05:16):
kind of a housing situation and they have brothers and
sisters who are millionaires. And when I say millionaires, I
don't just mean millionaires because you've got like an Auckland house,
do you know what I mean? I mean, like a
proper ball a millionaire and yet you're still living in
taxpayer provided accommodation. So anyway, that's just my thoughts on there.
Oh listen, yeah, okay, I'm going to tell you about
the Indian panthers. I've got to tell you about them
at some stage because that's a mind blowing down. But

(01:05:37):
can I just draw your attention to something really quickly? Well,
I've got a minute. We'll deal with that later. Should
the drummer have whacked the footballer on the head is
the question that you will have at the end of
reading the Herald story today. So what's happened? Is there
a bunch of female football players this is now in
the papers. Bunch of female football players went out for
a night on the town a couple of weekends ago
to celebrate a win, and they ended up at Danny

(01:05:59):
Duol as you do. And when you've ended up at
Danny Dulan's, you know you're well into evening at this
stage down at the viaduct in Auckland. So they've ended
up at Danny Dulan's for a sing along and the
band is playing Tikitan is always on My Mind, and
the girls are having a great time, and one of
them is a little bit boozed and she touches the
drum cat. It's hard to see, but she's she looks
like it psh on the symbol, and the drummer just

(01:06:20):
gets up off his seat whacks her right on the
head with his drumstick. And it is so hard that
over the noise of always on my cook dunk, you
hear this gore dunk on my head. I shouldn't laugh.
I shouldn't laugh. I withdraw it, apologize my laugh. Anyway,
here's the thing, though she admits that she was asking

(01:06:41):
for it. She says she had been tapping on the
drummer's kit at the break and during the live performance,
and was asked to stop doing so, and soon after
that the musician reacted by striking her with a drumstick.
So should she have been smacked on the head, Yes,
of course she should. Technically no, technically that's assault and
that's illegal. But in the real world, girl, he told

(01:07:01):
you not to touch the drums, so you can go
look at that if you want to. News Talks dB.

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Construction business, Genative trainee on the latest Adrian Or revelations,
and Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK
now it's seven past six. Tower Insurance is getting rid
of the old multi policy discounts. This is the discount
that you get on your premiums if you have some

(01:07:42):
combo of your house and your car and your contents
or other different kinds of insurance all with the same company.
Tower and other insurers have been fined in the past
for failing to apply the discount correctly. And Tower's CEO says,
there's now an unacceptable risk it might happen again if
they keep it, so they're getting rid of it. Bodo
Lang is a marketing professor at Massi University. Evening, Bodo, Good, Evening.
I struggle to believe that the risk is so high.

(01:08:04):
What do you think, Well.

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
It does seem surprising that this error occurs in the
first place, But if you look at the customer numbers,
you know, they've got hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of
customers and you only need a small number. You know,
in the numbers I've seen, it's literally zero point zero
one percent, and that's enough customers for the Commerce Commission
to swing interaction. And that obviously is a huge risk

(01:08:29):
for these large insurers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
But how would it even happen? I mean, would it
be a case that Bodo has taken out all this
insurance but they haven't linked all of Bodo's different insurances
together in order to realize that he deserves a discount.
Is that how it happens?

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
I think that's what it is. And I think what
these large insurers really struggle with is that they have
often legacy systems that don't talk to each other, so
they might have different divisions. They might have bought a
life insurance division is on a different system, And so
these systems often don't talk very well to each other.
And it's not just a system but also a process issue.
If you and me opened an insurance company, we would

(01:09:04):
probably start from the ground up with some integrated, clever system.
But that's not how these companies started off with. So
they've got old systems that don't really speak to each
other and processes that probably don't allow cross checking. And
the numbers of customers are so vast that there is
I think a real risk of more customers being affected.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Is this a case, Bodo of an unintended consequence of
going after them for breaking a rule like the commis
commission quite rightly sees a rule has been broken and
punishes them, But then the unintended consequences that we all
pay more for insurance.

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
Yeah, I think there is a real risk of this.
I'm trying to see the silver lining in the story
and the obvious. The first result is obviously that this
multi policy discount will disappear, which is negative. But you know,
the silver lining I think for consumers is that this
will actually make the insurance sector more transparent, so it's
easier to compare single policies and switching insurance policies. Is

(01:10:00):
that difficult if you put a little bit a little
bit of time behind it, you know, you can sometimes
say shumongus amount of money. So yes, it is none
in the consequence that this discount will disappear. But I
think Tower will be in a position where they will
really have to look at their policy the premiums basically

(01:10:21):
because they are scoring below average on customer satisfaction. I
think they're at real risk of losing customers when this
multipolsa discount disappears, So they would do really well to
sharpen their pencils.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
But do you have any opinion on the price of butter,
because I know you're a man who is across all
of these things right now. Have you looked at the
situation with the butter meeting with Nichola Willis and Miles
Harrell and thought, how on earth Nichola can get out
of this site with you know, saving face.

Speaker 7 (01:10:51):
Yes, I haven't looked into it. I've been overseased for
a while. But I think my basic sense is that
you know, at one point we used to have the
will the ninth largest dairy producer in the world in
this country, I e. Fonterra, and I'm always kind of
kind of gobsmacked why dairy products are so incredibly expensive
when you compare them with prices overseas. I do realize

(01:11:13):
that in the EU many of the dairy products are
subsidized through taxes, obviously, and so it's not fair to
just compare the retail price, because actually sometimes the real
retail price in Europe is artificially lower through subsidies. But
it does strike me as odd that we're paying so much.
And I think the rationale of saying, well, this is

(01:11:35):
what we can get on the export market, he doesn't
wash well because there's obviously other costs involved in getting
products to the export market, which we don't incur when
we sell domestically.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
All right, Boda, thanks very much, Bodo Lang, marketing professor
at Massi University. There's a solution. How about we do
what they do in the EU and we subsidize the
price of butter. So if we all just pay a
little bit more tax, then the butter will come down
in price. You like the idea of that. Now, neither
twelve past six.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Ever, Duperyl, we have an.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Update on Adrian Or. So if you caught our interview
with Neil Quickly from waycutul University yesterday, who's obviously also
the chair of the Reserve Bank, you will already be
aware that there are more allegations against Adrian Or. Whistleblower
has gone to Michael Riddell, who's published it. Adrian Or
quit because he swore in a meeting with Treasury, swore
in a meeting with the Finance Minister, and then his boss,
Neil sends him an email outlining specific allegations about his behavior,

(01:12:24):
and they're not long thereafter he quits in a personal decision. Anyway,
Treasury has today confirmed that yes, concerns were raised. It's
confirmed that Treasury did in fact meet with Adrian Or.
It hasn't said that there was swearing in that meeting. Necessarily,
I haven't said anything about that, but they said, yes,
we did meet with Adrian Or. And after that meeting

(01:12:46):
with Adrian Or, Neil Quickly, Adrian's boss emailed a Treasury
staffer about Adrian's behavior and it sounds like whatever was
in that email, you know, I mean, you can if
you've been aware of him. If you've read about employment dispute,
has been an employment dispute. Seeing somebody you know misbehaving
in a situation, you can understand how it works when

(01:13:08):
the boss of the bad the person who's apparently behaved badly,
then emails the other party, maybe to find out what happened.
I don't know, just just joining some dots here. Anyway,
that email, whatever it contains, could possibly be released by
Treasury soon because if there is a gag order as
has been reported, obviously, the gag order would only include

(01:13:28):
the Reserve Bank and may be the Minister of Finance,
but probably not Treasury. So there's your weakest link. Thirteen
plus six.

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that will level the international market price for butter and
for cheese. Seventeen past six and with me now is
Andrew Curtain Milford Asset Management.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
Hey, Andrew even in Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
So what do you make of that update yesterday from
Fletcher Building on the potential sale of the construction division.

Speaker 18 (01:14:54):
Yeah, it didn't come as a complete surprise because they
had an invest a day about a month ago where
they allocated this division, which is construction division including Brian Perry,
Sivil and Higgins, and they allocated that has been a
non core division, so basically saying it's not strategically important
to the future of the business, which is essentially a
signal to the market saying, look, we may be willing

(01:15:15):
to sell this business. I guess what maybe is a
little bit surprising is only a month later that've come
out instead, we're now launching a formal process. So it
sounds like they've had some expressions of interest coming from
some external buyers. Postlets that are update a month ago,
which maybe is a little bit earlier than people were expecting.
This division is sort of recovering from a lack of

(01:15:36):
roading infrastructure spend over the last few years, so some
investors thought it might take a little bit longer for
interest to build, but it seems like the forward looking
expectation sort of or more roading expensure, but that seems
sort of push forward by the national government has got
interest in this division.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Share price reaction to it has been fairly mute, hasn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:15:56):
Yeah, it's a pretty it's a material but smallish vision.
It's around about ten percent of the value of lectured
buildings so it's not huge, and it's sort of hard
to put a number on things.

Speaker 17 (01:16:07):
At the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:16:08):
We don't have a formal bid and it's going to
take many months for this process to run, and I
think investors already going to look for a little bit
more color on what price the bids might come out
before they sort of make too many assumptions about share
price reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Now on the international markets, you had the second quarter
results season which has kicked off in the US and Europe. Obviously,
is there anything that you're seeing worth calling out so far?

Speaker 18 (01:16:30):
Yes, Results season is always important for the stock market direction,
and particularly at the moment with the share market at
all time high is having rallied for about twenty five
percent from the April lows, everyone's very focused to see
what's going to become out on results, what's going to
be the news on sort of tariff impacts, early indications
and this is sort of before we have all the
super large mega companies reporting. But over the last week,

(01:16:53):
the indications have shown that the market has given just
enough kind of confidence and earnings and outlook to support
the market. The large banks such as Japenborgan City Bank,
Wells Fargo had decent results last week, pointed to an
economy that's relatively resilient, not too much weakness. One result
that was a little bit more negative was Netflix, which
is sort of a top twenty company in the US

(01:17:14):
stock market now had fantastic numbers, but the share price
sold off five percent, So that sort of indication that
the market's got pretty over at SKIS and needed sort
of super strong results to support the share price.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, and what are the key results to focus on
over the next week or so.

Speaker 18 (01:17:31):
We've got the megacaps coming out, so tomorrow's Google and Tesla.
They were always very important results, and then in the
next week got Microsoft, Amazon and Meta which i was Facebook,
And really the markets could be focused on what these
companies are saying about artificial intelligence. So they're going to
keep spending on it, and the market kind of wants
to see that they are going to spend to sort
of justify this big rally was seen a lot in

(01:17:51):
these AI stocks, so if they sort of show a
bit of caution, then that could be negative for the market.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
It's stuff Andrew really appreciated. Enjoy evening. Andrew Kurtain will
Ford Act Management. I'm going to run you through next
what happened with the Indian Panthers. Can I just say
we are about two hours and ten minutes away from
Bluebridge's new faerry sailing for the first time tonight in
New Zealand. It's going to be the Wellington depict and run.
It's kicking off at eight thirty and I'm excited about
that because I've said to you before, it's eight months

(01:18:19):
from the minute that they got the sign off from
the board and they decided yep, okay, off we go.
We get to buy a ferry from then just before
Christmas to them sailing tonight. Eight months. Meanwhile, where are
we at with our publicly funded fairies? Yeah, still trying
to decide which builder to use.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Six twenty one, everything from SMEs to the big corporates.
The Business Hour with Heather d for c Ellen and
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Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
The replacement into Island of Fairy delays due to the
requirement for hand for it to handle railway wagons. How
long does it take though, to go, like Laura, how
long have we been waiting since they set up that
company to buy the fairies for them? To actually buy
the fairies. It's been months, isn't it? March Chit budge
something like. Look, it's like months. Okay, how do you

(01:19:08):
explain that? How long does it take for you to go?

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
These are the offers that we've got. Pick that one.
Like anyway, whatever, I'm not the one doing it. It
would would have been done faster if I was. Let
me tell you what's going on with the Indian Panthers.
You remember the Indian Panthers. Everybody's really excited about it
because they were going to be an all Indian team
who were going to play in the National Basketball League.
And the thing kicked off in February and then all
of it like and it was a disaster from the

(01:19:32):
get go, and then they just bailed out all together
in May. There is now a story and the spin
off that kind of outlines what happened here, and it
is quite remarkable what went wrong. So they had nine
games in the end, they had zero wins. The head coach,
Miles Pierce quit after the first game. Key overseas players
never arrived. They had no training program whatsoever to speak of,

(01:19:56):
no team meetings, no organized off court conditioning. In the
lieu of training. The team would merely assemble at the
venue a couple of hours before a game to do
what they could as they awaited tip off. They had
some gym membership. That was about the extent of it.
Normally a team would put in apparently about forty hours
of work, you know, a bit of training, bit of
strategy watching the videos. None of that happened. They basically,

(01:20:17):
as they say, got together a couple of hours before
the game, just warm up, rarely intro. The coach who
quit was replaced by an interim coach, Jonathan Goodman. He
took a holiday mid season, which is hilarious because the
season was only three months long for them, but he
took holiday. Regardless, the CEO and the GM Pavin Batish
and Aaron Bertish were living in Melbourne. Neither of them

(01:20:37):
came over for the next match, even though the coach
was away, so the players were basically running the team themselves.
The Panthers were then repeatedly thrashed by Margins, approaching fifty points.
Behind the scenes, it was a real big problem with money.
Three Indian players were imported, so they did get three players,
but the rest of them were basically made up of
like journeymen and social players and stuff. Anyway, the three

(01:20:58):
Indian players put into an airbnb and provided with groceries,
but they had that was about in a card that
would sometimes work when they went out for breakfast and
sometimes not. They had to rely on charity and rival
clubs for help to feed themselves in the end. Yet
it was just a total of the three of them
and everybody else was just you know, fill in players.
What they think was going on was that there was

(01:21:19):
long The idea wasn't really for them to be long
term in the New Zealand League, but they were. It
was a trojan horse aimed at securing a back door
entry into the more lucrative Australian NBL. And if you
don't believe that theory, just remember both of the financial
backers are still based across the Tasman. So there you go.
That's what happened there. Thing fell apart and it's just
been a disaster and people have been hurt along the way.
One guy said he only got paid about six percent

(01:21:40):
of what he was due six twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Six together do for Sea Alan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
In Schober's News, it was a course a sad day
today with the death of Ozzy Osborne. The seventy six
year old rocker had been struggling with Parkinson's disease. But
talk about a life where I lived. He was a
father of six. He rose to fame in the early
seventies with Black Sabbath and then well then successfully rather
went solo. Media reports are putting his fortune at three

(01:22:05):
hundred and sixty five million New Zealand dollars. He made
heaps of money from Ozfest, which was a traveling musical festival,
and then, of course a lot of money came from
the reality show The Osbourne's. Each family member reportedly got
eight million dollars per season, which is not quite the Kadashians,
but is more than we're getting paid for being on
TV at the moment.

Speaker 10 (01:22:22):
And a certainly more than the Indian Panthers players got paid.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Yeah, that's right. Also, by the way, I did remember
correctly when news was playing just before, and thank you
for pointing that out to me. Rose sawed as well,
Ossie pulling down his pants and sticking his butt at
the crowd. Hmmmm, those were the days in two thousand
and eight. Hmmm, what a glorious butt to look at. Okay,
gen Tips trainee next with what she knows about Adrian.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Or if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
The Business Hour where the head dup was the ands
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talk sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
True. Something very awkward has happened for the Essex Police.
I don't know if Gavin's going to talk about it,
so I'm going to tell you about it in a minute,
and then we'll and then if Gavin does want to
talk about it, we can talk to him about it
and maybe we'll just falce theme to talk about it.
So stand by, Is'm going to talk to you about that.
Virgin Australia, by the way, just heads up is considering

(01:23:29):
banning passengers from taking on board those power packs that
are used for recharging phones because that they think that
was what caused that fire on the plane yesterday. And
if they start doing again, Look why I'm telling you this.
I don't think that you know, like the proportion of
us right now who fly Virgin Australia and Australia is
probably quite low. But these ideas catch on and the
next first thing, it's a powerpack for your phone, and

(01:23:50):
the next minute it's the batteries for some other thing
and some other thing and some other thing, and all
the lithium ion battery and then how do you get
for it? Yeah, lithium ion battery from New Zealand to
London if they're banning it, do you know?

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
So, that's why I'm telling you about that. Twenty four
away from seven, Treasury has confirmed concerns were raised about
former Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Or in his conduct. Last
night we talked to the Bank's chair Neil Quigley about
a claim that Adrian Or had sworn in a meeting
with Treasury staff and also had sworn in a meeting
with Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister. Now, Neil Quiggley wasn't

(01:24:21):
going to tell us a lot about that. Did he
swear in a meeting with Treasury on the twenty first effair?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
I can't comment on that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Why can't you comment on that?

Speaker 18 (01:24:29):
Well, because that's a matter of privacy that I don't
that I don't think I should discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Pretty same say about the meeting with Nikola. Did he
swear in a meeting with the Finance Minister three days later?

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Well, I've heard that that's been said but I can't
comment on that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Weren't you at that meeting?

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
I was at that meeting?

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Yes, so did he swear? And he can't say anything
about the lessa that he apparently sent Adrian, did you
send him an email to him? Hey, here's a whole
bunch of specific and concrete allegations against you about your behavior. Well, see,
I can't go into that head. Jane Tibstroni is The

(01:25:09):
Herald's Wellington business editor with us. Hello, Janey, Hey, Heather,
did he what happened? Tell me, Janey, I'm dying to know. Well,
I'm dying to know as well.

Speaker 24 (01:25:18):
Today the Treasury was very helpful and it confirmed that
Neil Quigley emailed a Treasury staffer about All's behavior after
a meeting that they had on February twenty. So we
don't know what exactly about the behavior was raised, but
it was obviously bad enough that the Chairman of the
Reserve Bank thought that he would email the Treasury staffer.

(01:25:42):
So that is the one bit of fact we know.
The interesting thing here is that the Reserve Bank is
being very tight lipped about what happened around Adrianall's resignation.
It says it's because it's bound by legalities. You know,
it obviously entered into an agree with Adrian Or when
he left, there would have been confidentiality clauses. The Reserve

(01:26:05):
Bank is standing behind those clauses and that's limiting what
it can say. The unusual thing, though, is that the
Treasury appears willing to potentially release this email to me.
So it is unusual that this email can't be released,
the one that Neil quickly sent the Treasury staff. It

(01:26:25):
is unusual that that can't be released by the Reserve Bank,
but it maybe can be released by the Treasury.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.
But it's because the Reserve Bank is the one bounded
by the gag order with Adrian Or but not Treasury.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Yes.

Speaker 24 (01:26:39):
So now this is where it gets into some sort
of technical thing because the official you know, the official
information that captures all of government. So it is you know,
I think this is something for the lawyers to figure out.
How is it that one agency can say no and
the other one might be able to say yes, And
so the Reserve Bank is the to me, Well, it

(01:27:00):
is that's legal obligations are different to that of the Treasury.
But you know, if the Treasury can in fact release
this email, then I have to ask, well what else
can it actually release? Because myself and a whole bunch
of other people made requests of the Reserve Bank and
the Treasury around Adrianaal's departure and we were largely stonewalled.

(01:27:24):
So if they released this femail, then what else can
they release?

Speaker 12 (01:27:27):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
What else did they not release that they should have released?

Speaker 24 (01:27:30):
Well, yes, exactly, this is the thing that we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
You know what silly buggers gets you called out in
the end day like don't play silly buggers, don't don't
This is because this is clearly what's gone on here.
Tell me something. Do you think that a gag order
that ties the hands of Adrianal and the Reserve Bank
also ties the Finance Minister?

Speaker 24 (01:27:50):
Well, well this is a good question because at to
date they all seem to be acting in unison. So,
for example, the day that Adrian All resigned and the
follow long days, my colleagues and I we sent requests
under the Official Information Act. I asked specifically Treasury, Reserve Bank,
and the Finance Minister's office the same questions. You know,

(01:28:10):
release information about the circumstances around the resignation. The Reserve
Bank came back with a statement summarizing what happened in
its view and limited set of documents. The Finance Minister's
office also came back with some stuff. For example, that
came back with the document that showed that she was
briefed on answering questions about if Adrian or yelled at

(01:28:34):
her in a meeting. But largely it seems like that
the requests have been dealt with together. So this is
the interesting thing, you know, should they have been dealt
with separately? So I've actually just I've just made a
complaint to the Onbosman's office. I think this is the
on Bodsman.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Is going to need to John Allen.

Speaker 24 (01:28:52):
It's a new person.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I don't know John.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
I think it might be John Allen. And if it's
John Allen, then he doesn't play silly buggers. He should
be okay with it. Listen, Jane, answer me this question, though.
Should they not simply have answered given us everything that
they possibly could and been as straight up as they
possibly could at the start, because then we wouldn't be like,
how far are we this? Like four and a half
months later and we're still talking about him. Had they

(01:29:16):
not just offloaded everything at the very start, this would
be a lot better for them, wouldn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:29:21):
Oh for sure? And you know it arguably would have
been better for Adrian or as well. And even if
the information wasn't great at the time that made them
all look bad in one way or another, it's surely.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
That is better.

Speaker 24 (01:29:35):
And you know, the more this goes on, the more
we get skeptical and we feel like it's hard to
trust what they say, which just isn't good for anyone.
You know, I don't want to. I don't want to
be that sort of obsessive person who questions.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Hi, you well I am? I know driving me you had?
I appreciate it. I'm in therewith you. Two genetives Trainia
The Herald's Wellington Business editor. It's eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Heather do to see Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Police in the UK are in a very awkward position
right now because footage has emerged of them escorting protesters
to an asylum hotel to counter protest against other protesters
who were already there, which then turned violent. Now what
you need to understand context here is that asylum the

(01:30:25):
asylum thing in the UK is incredibly politically charged, right,
you'll know this by now. What's been going on is
these dudes have been arriving in the UK and then
they get put in these hotels and it's at the
to the cost of the taxpayer in the UK. And
there are people in the UK who are livid about this,
which you can understand because the UK is broke, like
it is like us, It is broke. It only has

(01:30:47):
so much money and these people see their money being
used not on their children's education or their healthcareh blah
blah blah bah housing these asylum asylum seekers. So they're
furious about it. So they go and stand outside these
hotels and the protest. So what's now, So what's happened
is that the Essex Police were accused of this, right,
they were accused of marching the protest. So you've got

(01:31:07):
the protesters already there, you've got the people who are
angry about the asylum seekers. But then you've got the
counter protests. But like, we love asylum seekers, they can
be here. Yeah, yate, stop being old right, wheredos that
those people you know, like the lefties and apparently the police,
the police were accused of escorting them to the hotel,
and they said, no, no, that never happened. We didn't
do that. But then the footage emerged and they didn't

(01:31:28):
do that, So now they're having to tell the truth.
And what the footage shows is a lot of police,
like a lot of police walking these protesters to the hotel,
and some of these protesters have got balaklava's on. That's
not a good look for the coppers anyway, So it's
turned into quite a kerfuffle. It's fair, I think we
could all agree. It's fair enough that the police are,

(01:31:51):
you know, have a police presence around a protest. Right
that happens in New Zealand. Protests illegal. You're allowed to protest.
But the problem for the Essex police is it looks
like they were only protect in one group of protesters,
the lefty protesters, and not the other group of protesters
being written off as the righty protesters. And the trouble
here is it looks like they're picking sides and doing

(01:32:11):
weird things. And they have been in the past accused
of picking sides and doing weird things politically already, so
this is not good for them. But what makes it
even worse is that they lied about it and then
got busted lying, and so they are going to be
holding a press conference overnight to try to explain this.
Gavin Gray is with us next sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
It's hitherto for Clan with the Business Hour and Mays
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
With us now as Gavin Gray are UK correspondent evening
Gavin Hi. So we've got one hundred or even more
than one hundred victims of Muhammad al Fayed who are
getting compensation, are they?

Speaker 22 (01:32:50):
Well, that's so far what's happening in this process about
this and Harold's has effectively started issuing compensation at the
end of April, and the SKI does remain open for
new applications until the end of March next year. But
they're basically saying that they've listened to feedback from survivors,
whether raised directly or via legal firms, and multiple women

(01:33:13):
who worked for the former department store owner Muhammad Alphayed,
of course, the father of Dodie al Fayed, who was
going out with Princess Diana when they died together, that
he died last year, Muhammed alpha Ed and those women
have accused him of rape and sexual assault, and Harold's
have said that victims of abuse by the former owner

(01:33:35):
could receive roughly four hundred thousand pounds or eight hundred
and thirty thousand New Zealand dollars plus treatment costs if
they agreed to be assessed by a consultant psychiatrist. And
we believe that yet more than one hundred have done
exactly that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Now, hey, so you counting down till Donald Trump arrives
in Scotland.

Speaker 22 (01:33:57):
Well, certainly the police in Scotland are this is a
private visit. It comes actually only a few weeks ahead
of a state visit, but it is a separate visit.
And the Scottish Police Federation, those are the ones that
represents rank and file officers those on the ground, are
actually accusing the overall bosses of the police in Scotland
of allegedly breaching a workforce agreement in regards to this visit.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
How might that happen?

Speaker 22 (01:34:21):
Well, apparently it is going to be organized in twelve
hour shifts for the police, twelve hours on, twelve hours off,
with certain breaks in between. And what The Scottish Police
Federation is saying, well, actually that isn't within our contract
and they are threatening to take legal action. Now they're
leaving it pretty late. Donald Trump arrives on Friday, so

(01:34:44):
just over forty eight hours time from now, and of
course a great deal of work to be done. The
Scottish Police Scotland is saying, look, you know, we're talking
to the rank of our members about this. This visit
taking place between them twenty fifth and the twenty ninth.
He's going to visit both golf courses Trump Turnbury and
South Ashore and Trump International Scotland in Aberdeenshire, and we'll

(01:35:08):
also meet the Prime Minister Sekir Starmer and Scotland's First Minister,
John Swinney, but only for informal talks. And the five
thousand officers that are being brought in on this is
a very expensive operation. They're very mindful, of course, of
the attempted assassination on Donald Trump before he became president.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I see, hey, so the Netflix deal with Hether and
Misers over, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
It looks it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Yes.

Speaker 22 (01:35:32):
There are some growing reports which seem to have legs
as it were, and seemed to be semi confirmed by
those in the no say the deal between Harry and
Meghan and the deal with Netflix is going to be scrapped.
It was said to be worth about two hundred and
thirty million New Zealand dollars. There's no official announcement. Apparently

(01:35:55):
they mutually agree not to make an official announcement. And
it comes after the Polo, which was a project that
Harry differ Netflix about. The spot was watched by a
little over half a million people, so it really bond
in terms of viewing figures. And it's also understood that
bosses were infuriated by Megan making her as ever brand

(01:36:17):
a priority. At least that's what they felt it. Netflix,
according to one source, is quoted as saying they've got
all they can from the couple, and although they've got
some viewers for the first documentary series, that proved to
be the zenith of content from the Montesino pair, as
they're saying, so it looks like the days of their

(01:36:38):
TV appearances on Netflix maybe over good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Kevin, Enjoy your day. That's Kevin Gray, UK correspondent. I
can't believe I'm telling you this, but Donald Trump has
done it on the coke. Remember when he was raving
about it. You see, Coca Cola were going to bring
out the coke the way he likes it, which is
with the cane sugar instead of the corn syrup. Coca
Cola has confirmed it is going to do what Donald
Trump wants. It's not going to swap out the corn
syrup on all of its coke because it's a much

(01:37:01):
cheaper way of doing it, but it's going to bring
in apparently cane sugar coke for Donald Trump. Nine away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
It's the Heather Tipsy allan Drive full show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by newstalg zebby MM.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
The Epstein thing is just it's just like slightly more
and more awkward for Donald Trump this evening because there's
some there's some archived video footage which is just emerged
showing that Jeffrey Epstein was in fact at the nineteen
ninety three wedding of Donald Trump to Marla Maples. It
wasn't known until now that he was there. And then

(01:37:38):
on top of that also much less damaging, but still well,
I mean, is the first one damaging. No, It just
kind of makes them seem like way more chummy than
maybe maybe you knew. But then there's also the ninety
ninety nine footage from the Victoria Street fashion event in
New York, which shows Trump and Epstein laughing and chatting
together ahead of the runway of such chums. And the

(01:37:58):
thing about it is, none of this is by itself
a smoking gun that proves anything, you know, but it
just it just kind of continues the story. We're into
what week three of it now or something like. It's
been going a long time. Donald Trump will be heartily
sick of it. Hey, can I quickly just give a
shout out to a couple of guys who've won the
Expert Game Award at the Oscars of Board Games. So

(01:38:20):
the Expert Game Award, I think is a category kind
of like best Director or Best Producer whatever. The Expert
Game is the award that they've taken out. The game
is called Endeavor Deep Sea and it's a board game.
And in Endeavor deep Sea, the players, if you're you
play this game, you are a researcher. You have to
pretend to be a researcher working for an Institute of

(01:38:41):
Oceanographers doing research and conservation work. Is that the most
KEYWI game in the world, Like if we're going to
take out a board game category. It's not going to
be for something like monopoly, like to that kind of capitalism.
It's not going to be something like like Chess. Far
too fighty for us, you know, with all those like
war war strategies. It's going to be researching conservation work,

(01:39:02):
working for an institute of versionographers. So well done, well
done to them.

Speaker 10 (01:39:06):
It's crazy trained by Ozzios. Want to play us out
tonight the only real game in town Borne sadly has
died age seventy six. Basically the whole rock community around
the world. As in morning people have been leaving flowers
on his star at the Hollywood Walk of Fame. This song,
of course he made it wasn't actually a Black Sabbath song.
He fell out with the Black Sabbath bandmates in nineteen
seventy nine, and he released this as a solo track
the year after, along with a whole bunch of other music.

(01:39:28):
But obviously they are all made up again, and the
surviving Black Sebbath members of all posts.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
He has been to late like, yes, under you wouldn't
want to work with him, I mean it's all fun.

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
Well, one of those classic ones where he's like really
really good at it, and so you'd want to work
with him because he's like the best at it and
he's just amazing, but just actually the data experience of
working with him would have just really started to tell
after a while.

Speaker 13 (01:39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
And you can only be like the best at it
for a while when you're literally drinking like mouthwash.

Speaker 10 (01:39:53):
Yeah and then just randomly flashing your mum at people
and stuff and snorting live and I mean that sort
of stuff we know about, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Yeah? And what was going on? Did they really eat
the bat?

Speaker 10 (01:40:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
I mean, do you know who needed creating to fix
his brain?

Speaker 6 (01:40:05):
Ame?

Speaker 20 (01:40:06):
Was that?

Speaker 17 (01:40:06):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:40:06):
No, no, no, I don't think anyone WI won Osbourne any
other way than the way he was.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Okay anyway, So r I Peter Ozzy Osbourne because the Emperor,
the mark that he's left on music was outstanding. So
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
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