Full Show Podcast: 23 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the smith to find the real story. Egoring,
it's Heather Duplessy Elm drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Chris Luxen wants to raise the pension age to sixty seven.
So we'll have a chat to David seymore about that.
He's the Associate Finance also the act party leader. How
is Trump's international ban on the students for Harvard going
to affect Kiwi students? And also go Media Stadium that's
about smart has got two sold out games this weekend,

(00:35):
just won a prize. We'll have a chat to the
boss about.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
That, Heather Duplicyl.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
When I say the boss, I mean the boss of
the advertisers. Now let's talk about this business with the pensionage.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
So Chris Luckson has said today twice that he wants
the pension age to go up to sixty seven, and
he said at once on Kerrey Show this morning, and
then at a post budget lunch speaking to business leaders
he repeated it and he told them that this is
basically going to be election policy for national next year. Now,
regardless of how you may feel about this. I mean,
you'd have to be coming around to the realization, wouldn't you,

(01:05):
That we are inch and closer and closer to this
thing actually happening, especially after the changes that the government
made to our key we saver, the retirement funds yesterday.
It's not long now. I think that the government will
have completely wound down its government support of Kei we Saver,
and then it's going to come after the pension next,
isn't it. And this is where I think it gets tricky,
because this is not just about money for people. This

(01:27):
is emotional. Let me lay out the emotional argument for
you as it plays out in my head. Okay, goes
like this, don't touch my pension. You can touch anything else,
do not touch my pension. I don't care if they
take away every other piece of welfare that is available
to me and other people. In fact, they would actually
welcome it, because I think there is way too much
welfare in this country for the middle class who don't

(01:49):
actually need it. You get a best start payment for
having a newborn. You having a baby, they give you money.
You get the Winter Energy payment, you get working for families,
which I think is a crime. You get the subsidized
child I'll care for sending your kid to kindy. You
get free tertiary education for the third year. God only
knows why. Free government money for your key. We save.
But now, as far as I'm considered way too much
of that stuff going on, they can take all of

(02:10):
that away. If then I want to take it away,
they can means test it. So actually the most only
the most needy in this country get it. But I
will do everything I can to stop them touching my
pension because I have earned that money. This is not
a question about whether I need that money. It is
that I have earned that money. I, like you, have

(02:30):
contributed huge amounts of tax to this country, and actually
I have not claimed very much back for myself, and
certainly not anywhere near how much I have put in.
The Only thing that stops me from being very sour
about how much money they take out of my paypack
it every year and the wasting of that money, and
the bludging by some on that money, is the knowledge
that when I hit sixty five and want to retire,

(02:51):
I will get a little bit back. Call it a
good will gesture from the government. If you like a
government who I have helped prop up, just like you
have four donkey years by the time that money comes
into my bank account. So good luck to Chris Luxen
getting this one across the line. I think it's gonna
be one of the hardest fights to win because of
the emotional argument that I have just laid out for you,

(03:12):
and I think they might find it easier to take
away a lot of other welfare first. And unless they
take away a lot of other welfare first, I am
not budging on the punt pension together do for c Allen.
Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text
fees apply. Now please tell me if you feel the
same as me. I suspect many people do anyway. New
Zealand good news. We're getting a second Supercars race Ruapuna

(03:35):
Raceway and christ Church is going to host a Supercars
Championship event every year from next year until at least
twenty twenty eight. And we're KEI we double headed because
the event in Topel will continue until at least twenty
twenty eight as well. Phil Major is the mayor of
christ Church with us.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
Now, Hey Phil, good a, how are you.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm very well? Thank you. Now you've been wanting I
here to get this for a little while.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Have you?

Speaker 8 (03:58):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Absolutely, this is this is the best who's that I've
heard for ages? This is this is this is so
good for christ Hesh, I's see how falan to be honest,
Have you.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Got you guys petrol heads down there?

Speaker 9 (04:10):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (04:10):
Yes, it's been a petrol flowing around. Some of them
is a diesel heads, but most of them petrol heats.

Speaker 10 (04:14):
Yes, you.

Speaker 9 (04:17):
Are you that?

Speaker 6 (04:18):
The talk is from what I'm hearing, and we've done
homework on what Taapo had last year. But it's about
twenty thousand people, which I think is light. It'll bring
ten million bucks into the city over four days, and
it's ten million dollars we never had before, so it's
it's great. And the other good thing is we've got
a port here. We've got the airport here as well

(04:39):
as the port, and they can get their cars and
people can travel in easy. We've got six new hotels
in consenting and being built as we speak. And the
best thing is it's the same week or certainly the
same month as the stadium moments, so it's going to
be a big month for crist How.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Much money are you putting in rope money.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
I'm not sure that's going through our Christchi chen z
and they do that. They don't tell me these numbers.
Otherwise I'd tell you because I've got an open mouth policy.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
It can't be more than ten million, though, can it?

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, no. Ten
million is what the benefits of that's right?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Like how much less?

Speaker 8 (05:24):
Phil?

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Lots lots least from what I'm told.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
From what if they told you, But I haven't.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
I haven't been tod Now I'm.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Being suspicious because you've been told something and it's lots
lost less, but you don't know how much it is.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
Come on, Phil, No, no, no, no, that's that's that's
Christi chen Zeed's department. But it's it's it's going to
be a really good return. But the bars that are
put into the town and of the city is going
to be outstanding. It really really is.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
The bars like gold bars or drinking buzz.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
The buzz z.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I thought I thought you were coming at me with
some gen z lingo. Just then I've been told to
ask you whether the track is up to standard.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Supercap from what I'm told, Well, I have been told
that supercows have been over that they're happy with the
quality of the track. There is some there a lot
of work going on on tire walls and the entrance
to the pits. So as far as the track's surface
is concerned, I've been told that they're happy with it.

(06:25):
After they've been out in Haddle they have been handling.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, good stuff. All right. Listen, Phil, thank you so much,
and I'm really stoked for you. That's film major christ
Church mayor Heather. They won't touch your pension. It will
be those that are aged between thirty five and forty
five from David. How old do you think I am?
I just had a baby the other day. What do
you think I have some sort of like do you
think I'm like a super lady like fifty years old

(06:49):
and still popping out spragus? I am forty. So it
is my pension. It's very much.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
That enrages me even more. Now I'm even angry I
have Thanks David. Now you've set me off again. Hey,
it's not gonna happen because they know it's not going
to happen, because I'm just going to flip out at
them on the radio every single day until they change
their minds. So they're not going to go there. BYD
speaking of cars BYD, which you know, like I pumped
the tires of BID because I'm currently driving one of

(07:17):
their utes and it is awesome. BYD has just sold
more electric vehicles in Europe than Tesla has for the
first time. BYD registered the battery powered electric vehicles in
April a seventy. Let me try to say this properly
for you, seven two hundred and thirty one, So seventy
two hundred and Tesla only registered seven one hundred and

(07:39):
sixty five. There you go beat them for the first time.
Well that it's probably won't be the last time. Quarter pasted.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
It's the Heather duper c allan Drive full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Here here Heather, Heather bingo, most don't even pay tax,
so it's a double negative. Heather, I totally agree. Here,
hear Hea, the hands off our pensions. I agree, leave
the pension alone or Heather. The pension is not a
benefit or a universal entitlement. It is a social contract
between the state and tax paying individuals over lifetime. And
that nails it right there. Eighteen pass four Jason Pine

(08:15):
Weekend sport hosters with May Piney.

Speaker 11 (08:17):
I wish my text has agreed with me so vigorously, Heather, I.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Haven't looked at the ones that disagree with me.

Speaker 11 (08:23):
I'm blanking them, no, and that's what I tend to do,
and there's nothing left to read.

Speaker 12 (08:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Oh, I see what your problem is. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Listen,
tell me if you need assistance, and I'll just start
spam texting you when you're on tomorrow and just give
you lots of good things to use. But I have
to go to the negative text soon anyway. Okay, now, listen,
did you realize it sold out the football and then
it sold out the rugga League?

Speaker 9 (08:45):
So good? So good?

Speaker 11 (08:47):
You feel like you just want to sort of park
up at go medium out smart over the weekend. Right
six o'clock tomorrow night, Aukland FC Melbourne victory one nill
advantage after the first leg, so just avoid defeat and
you make the Grand five, which will be back there
over King's Birthday weekend, and then just hang around because
on Sunday six o'clock I'll get the football post down,

(09:08):
put the rugby league posts up, and a whole new
sellout crowd will roll in to watch the Warriors up
against the Raiders, who we know beat the Warriors in
Vegas to start the season, so bit a revenge on
the minds of this team which has now won five
in a row. Honestly, there's no better place to be
than Penrose this weekend and it's not often you can say.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
That, do are you gonna come up for the for
the foot e.

Speaker 11 (09:30):
I'm here for the forty tomorrow, yeah, Or I'm there
for the forty tomorrow. I'm on an early flight up,
I'll do a radio show tomorrow, head out to go
media and just simply cannot wait for tomorrow night in
a football sense, Heather, as you say, extra seats up
near twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine thousand expected to
turn up. What an occasion and if they win, as
I say, it'll set up another one the following Saturday.

(09:53):
It's just been, by every measure, an incredible first season
for this team.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Do you what I wanted to ask you was if
you come and do the commentating for the footy, do
you think get a little bit of a little bit
of it being looked after for the Warriors? Like do
they go, oh, Piney just coming for free them. You
worked hard here on Saturday, you get a free B
on Sunday.

Speaker 11 (10:11):
Well, that hasn't happened yet, but I love the way
you're thinking. I love the way that that's now out there.
So look, if they did offer it to you, Cameron,
George is a big listener to your show, as we know,
So look if he's if he's happy to accommodate me
at around six o'clock on Sunday night, who am I
to turn down that?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Do you know what I'm speaking to? Listen to the
actual substance that we have to talk about here very quickly,
which is the sport. What worries me is that we're
just at that point in the Warrior season where we go, oh, hey,
this might be their year. And then remember what happened
in twenty twenty three, We were like, oh this might
be hey, yeah they want to do that to Yes,
well that only happened right at the end, right, So

(10:51):
I think I think we can be rightly optimistic when
they've won five games in a row.

Speaker 11 (10:56):
That's not common, right, I mean, to win five matches
in a row in the NRAL, not many teams do that.
And as we've spoken about, a lot. They're winning the
type ones. You know, they're winning by single digit margins,
where last year they weren't doing that at all. I
think we can be optimistic. I think we can be
more optimistic if after the next month Raiders, Rabbit, O's, Sharks,

(11:17):
Panthers they are still on a bit of a run,
then we can start to think it. But at the moment,
I think we should just enjoy the ride.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, Okay, Piney, this is a good attitude from you.
I like it. Enjoy your weekend of sport and hopefully
they'll let you in on Sunday. That's Jason Pine weekend
sport host. So yeah, they've got the sold out game
for the football on Saturday, then they've got a sold
out game for the Warriors on Sunday. And then also
Go Media Stadium has just been given the prize for
the best Stadium Atmosphere, which has been handed to them

(11:44):
by the Football Players Association. So it is just a
weekend of wonderful, just wonder for Mount Smart Stadium. We're
going to have a chat to the managing director at
Go Media Stadium, Mike Gray. He's going to be with
us after half past five. Heather, I agree with every
point you've made since you started the show. But I
think you very wrong about the pension age not moving hither.
I'm thirty eight. I hope by the time I retire

(12:04):
there is no super let people support their own life
through savings. Ha ha. People don't support anything in their
lives at the moment. That's the problem. It's all welfare
the whole way through. Why would it be not welfare
at pension otherwise we can all continue to pay more?
And you are Dayton hither Are you serious? Remember the
pension age went from sixty to sixty five between nineteen
ninety one and two thousand and one. Life expectancy is

(12:26):
up twelve years since the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 13 (12:28):
For twenty two, moving the big stories of the day forward, Alwen,
it's hither Duplicy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks that'd be listen.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Trump is having a crack at Harvard, So you know
this ongoing battle between Trump and Harvard. But the latest
thing is he's banned the university from enrolling any overseas students,
and any overseas students already studying there either have to
leave like they have to. They just flat out have
to leave. They either have to transfer to another university
or they need to leave the country. And if they
don't leave the country, they risk being deported. So we're

(13:02):
gonna have a chat to Jamie Beaton of Crimson Education,
because you know the story with Crimson Education, their whole
business model is basically trying to help key we kids
or kids around the world get into these Ivy League universities.
So I have a chat to him about how this
is going to play out for him. But what happens
to de Cinda because she's an international student, isn't She's
there on a fellowship which makes her a student. So

(13:22):
does that mean is Trump be going to kick her
out of the country? And if Trump he does kick
her out of the country, can he just check with
us first that we actually want her back, because I
just want to I would like to be able to
just put in a good word for her to stay there,
do you know what I mean? It's twenty five past
four now. Debbie and Garraweri have explained why they weren't

(13:42):
at the budget yesterday because you know, that was a
little bit of a thing, wasn't it. We had everybody
having this big debait about how we can't deny them
their democratic right to participate in the budget, so we
can't be punishing them in the budget week and stuff.
And then after all the effort that went to old
mate and old mate didn't even bother turning up no surprise.
Social media Debbie said, unlike Chris Bishop's Party of Privilege,

(14:04):
I don't know why she was having a crack at him,
but anyway, maybe because he made some comments. Unlike Chris
Bishop's Party of Privilege, we run like a Madai. Everyone
carries the coppappa. One MP was on media, one was
on fire cord ital, one was on budget analysis, one
was inside budget lockdown, one was on pay equity protest,
and one was holding the line on the Regulatory Standards Bill.

(14:25):
Now what alarms me about this is apparently one MP
in the Marti Party can only do one job at
a time, so there's definitely no no walking and chewing
gum going on here. But also I feel like some
people have tricked some people here because fair enough to
have one on the FI cord it all, which basically
I'm assuming is the one doing the chatting inside. You
know that would be Tuktu Tuck or Ferris what's it
whatever his name is, Ohmke Ferris from the South Island.

(14:47):
He was the one doing the speech because Debbie and
Rawari weren't there. Then there was the one who was
doing busy with the Regulatory Standards bill, which is fair
enough because that's being debated under urgency. But the rest
of them, all of their work would have finished it
to o'clock, Like the one doing the media. No media
was interviewing anybody at two o'clock. They were all busy
doing commentating and filing their stories. Whoever was doing the

(15:07):
budget analysis must have been that's taken the mickey, because
the budget analysis stopped at two o'clock. By then you've
read the documents, and the one in the lockdown that
also finished at two o'clock. And then the one who
was at the protest. That protest I'm sure wrapped up,
do you know what I'm saying? Like it's a lot
of people doing jobs that had already finished by the
time they were supposed to be inside. But I think

(15:28):
we all know what these guys are up to. That's
tell them porky's, aren't they anyway? So we'll put that
one to rest. So just a note to Chris Heapkins,
don't come to their defense because they'll shame you out
like a hat.

Speaker 13 (15:36):
Here headlines next, recapping the day's big news and making
tomorrow's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

Speaker 9 (15:52):
That'd be right.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
We're going to politics shortly. Dan Mitchinson is standing by
out of the US. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna
have to tell you something that I think is it's
certainly blown my mind today about that tax incentive in
the budget yesterday. I think it may blow your mind
as well. So we'll get to that very very shortly,
but just quickly. This right, So, there's a piece written

(16:21):
by Richard Kler, who's a you know, one of the
more prominent sports writers in the country. This is what
it says, super Rugby Pacific Rugby is hog tied to
a rule book that few understand. And this is because
of what happened with the Muwana pacifica game and the
try that wasn't allowed and then should have been allowed.
He says the game's rulers have tinkered with the rules
so often that not even the most important people in

(16:43):
the sport, the officials who determine what can and can't
be deemed legal, can keep up blind me. So what
chance do the rest of us have? And that's exactly
the point we've been making all week on this show.
The rules and rugby are too complicated, so complicated, I've
I got no idea what's going on. But as a transpires,
neither is Angus Gardner, who is the ref on the field.

(17:05):
We'll talk to the sports huddle about that in an
hour's time. Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
It's the World Wires on News Talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 9 (17:13):
So.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
A thirty year old man has been charged with two
counts of murder after the deaths of two Israeli embassy
staff from Washington, DC. The staff were a couple and
they were shot dead as they left an event at
a museum. Here's the US attorney attorney for Washington and we're.

Speaker 14 (17:25):
Going to continue to investigate this as a head crime
and a crime of terrorism, and we will add additional
charges as the evidence warrants.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
The Liberal and National parties in Australia are meeting right
now to discuss getting back together. The Liberal Party is
reportedly going to agree to four of the Nationals policy
demands in order to heal the split. Here's Liberal Senator
Dave Sharma.

Speaker 15 (17:47):
We recognize, and I believe the Nationals recognize that Australia
is better served by a coalition.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
And finally, I'm just going to let this clip speak
for itself. This is from the start of the morning
news on a local TV station in upstate New York yesterday.

Speaker 16 (18:02):
We do have some breaking news this morning. Literally Olivia's
water has broke and she is anchoring the news now
in active.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Labor, early labor, early labor.

Speaker 16 (18:14):
We've been doing it to track she's now, you know,
timing her contraction. I'm going to pay you a question
two minutes apart. No, well there was one, but it's
been a few minutes since then, so.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
We're still on Good.

Speaker 16 (18:24):
She her decision to stay on the disc. I'm happy
to be here and I'll stay on the desk for
as long as they possibly can't.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Tell you what her colleague is trying really hard to
be her doula and up the situation person she Olivia
did stay on air for the rest of the show.
Good on her, and then she went to hospital right
afterwards and she gave birth to a baby boys. So
congratulations to Olivia.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Dan matsiins the US correspondents with US.

Speaker 17 (18:49):
Now, Hey, Dan, I would not want to be the
anchor that would have to follow her and sit in
that chair.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I think this is a very good point that you
actually make. It's lots of towels, lots of towels, lots
of newspaper. Hey, what's the latest on this murder?

Speaker 17 (19:04):
Well, as you mentioned, the Elias Rodriguez was detained. There's
a video that's been making the rounds last few hours
showing him yelfree Palestine, and a spokesperson for the Israeli
embassy said they're reviewing the security protocol. The Jewish Federation
of North America and dozens and dozens of others are
saying that there has to be more security or an

(19:26):
enhanced security measures. I'm not quite sure what that means,
because this could have very well been just like a
lot of other attacks and shootings we've had over here,
just a one off thing. We do know that the
guy has not entered a plea yet. He's behind bars
and the next tier and he's scheduled for will happen
in the middle of next month.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
And motivation is simply that the pair were Jewish.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
That appears to be in the in the sad.

Speaker 17 (19:48):
I don't want to use the word hook, but there's
always there's always something that you find out of these stories,
is the fact that they were scheduled to be engaged,
and you know, that's that's, you know, one of those
things wrong place wrong unfortunately. I mean any place, anytime
would have been bad. But when you hear something like that,
it just kind of goes, oh boy, that was that
was hard.

Speaker 18 (20:07):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Is this big enough news for you guys in the
US to sway opinion on what's happening in the Middle
Middle East?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
No?

Speaker 17 (20:16):
No, no, I mean I think the Middle East is
one of those those situations that over here, I mean
we follow. Obviously you're very concerned about it. Obviously makes
news when the president, you know, has a meeting with
somebody over there. But I think it just is is
the news cycle what it is. It just sort of
is a flash in the pan. Unfortunately. So no, this
I don't think this will have any sway on anything

(20:37):
over here.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Now, it turns out that some of the stuff that
Trump was using as evidence of the killing of white
farmers in South Africa was in in fact photographs from
the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Speaker 17 (20:48):
Right the Reuters pointed this out, and apparently he was
showing the screenshot of the video that was taken there,
and he falsely presented it as evidence of these mass killings.
And we're fine out, well, the image didn't quite match
this story. It was a YouTube screen grab, and the
White House is not responding uh to a request for
comment right now. But the managing editor of The American

(21:10):
Thinker and the author of the post that sid question,
wrote in a reply to Reuters that they thought that
the President had misidentified the image. And he, you know,
he interrupted this meeting that he had with the President
to play this video and he said, you know, this
was showing the evidence of genocide to the wife farmers
over there in the conspiracy theory, and then he flipped

(21:30):
through these copies of articles and you know what's yeah,
I mean, what's what's interesting about this, Heather, is that
this seemed like a very gotcha type moment, which President
Trump has pulled with several other world leaders.

Speaker 9 (21:42):
And and why he would do this in such a
public environment. I don't know.

Speaker 17 (21:45):
I think it's unlike anything I can remember previous presidents
in doing. But as we know, he's he's not like
any previous president we've had. H That's why his followers,
I think, are so loyal.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I've been wondering about that as well, Dan how And
the conclusion that I've come to is that I think
he's just trying to draw world attention to what is
going on in South Africa. I mean, how much of
it has like, how much of the plight of the
white farmer in South Africa has actually registered with an
American audience?

Speaker 9 (22:11):
I would say zero?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Then, so is there any good that comes out of this?
And that perhaps there is now a bit of global
attention on what is actually happening there?

Speaker 17 (22:22):
Yeah, there might be, But how long will that global
attention last? And what will come of it, you know,
moving forward? Or was it just a quick headline and
by this time tomorrow, I mean it's over and done with.
But as you mentioned, I think it was when we
talked the other day, or maybe it was last week
when the UK's Prime Minister decided to do a phone
call and not meet with a president, and they said

(22:43):
it was a timing issue. If I was a world leader,
I'd be very you know, I'd have to be very skeptical,
perhaps making sure that everything's lined up and everything's dotted
and crossed before I went in there, because I've seen
so many of these moments in the Trump presidency here
in the first three months.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Dan, it's good to talk to you, mate. You have
yourself a lovely weekend. Thank you so much, Dan Mitchinson,
US correspondent.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Ever do fore allen.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So yesterday when I was talking to Nichola Willis, I
asked her why did she didn't go harder with the
twenty percent a tax incentive which is in the budget.
I might have underestimated this thing. This is going to
be huge, but maybe not in the way that I realized,
or even necessarily the ministers around the cabinet table realized.

(23:29):
It doesn't sound like they realized what is about to happen.
So apparently there's a story in Newsroom on Newsroom dot
Codono is written by John o'milne, and according to John,
who's a very respected journalist, so you can pretty much
believe what he's saying. According to John O. He was
up at Shane Jones's post party. It seems he was
there at Shane Jones's post budget party in the Beehive,

(23:51):
and at some point in the evening, Jonesy left the
party his own party and went downstairs to the House
to check with the other ministers who were still in
the in the debating chamber whether there really was no
cap on how much people could spend on an asset
in order to claim the twenty percent back. And then
he came back stoked and he said, yes, there is

(24:12):
no cap on how much you can spend on this asset.
That means even a massive gas rig will be eligible.
And Jonesy says, these gas rigs, it's a billion dollars
for one, it's been six or seven hundred million dollars.
It can go up to a billion. And then John
o'meln writ's got your eye on a fleet of company
cars or a nice shiny skyscraper to house your business.

(24:33):
Commercial buildings are also eligible. Developers are just talking through
the nitty gritty now, like whether that extends to sizemic
strengthening power plants are also eligible. Ministers don't actually know
the scale of the scheme. To which they've agreed. They
genuinely don't, and they won't know until businesses start filing
their tax returns next year. Johno, in writing the story,
then goes to talk to John Cuthbertson, who's the tax

(24:56):
leader at Chartered Accountants A and Z, which is effectively
the country's most senior tax accountant. He says the accountant,
it's uncapped. Exclamation mark. I mean I would have thought
that you would have wanted some mechanism to keep control
of it. Willis will have to impose some sort of caps,
as John O, all constraints on it before it blows out.
But the difficulty is she's already told business that it's

(25:17):
available from yesterday, so it's going to be pricey. David
Seymore was going to be with us after five. We'll
have to chat to him about that.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
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Speaker 3 (25:29):
Jason Will's political editors with us now, Hi, Jason.

Speaker 18 (25:32):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
So what's Labour going to do with pay equity? Are
they going to put all of that thirteen billion back in?

Speaker 18 (25:37):
Listen? If only it was that simple. We actually have
no idea what is going on at this At this stage,
it's getting more and more confusing by the day now.
Speaking to reporters yesterday and we did briefly touch on
this yesterday, Chris Hopkins was unable to commit to returning
the thirteen billion the government saved through this revamping of
the pay equity schemes. And it's pretty a pretty fundamental

(25:58):
question as half of the new spending in the budget
came from these cuts and these reevaluations of that scheme.
So it is recommitting that thirteen billion would mean either
more cuts, it would mean more taxes or more borrowing
if they decided not to do that. So this morning
morning reports corn Dan probbed a little bit further with

(26:19):
Labour's Barbara Edmunds. Have a listen.

Speaker 19 (26:21):
If you are how would you find this twelve billion
twelve nearly thirteen billion dollars because a lot of that
money has been refunneled back into call public services, so.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
That's going to be built in.

Speaker 20 (26:33):
How would you find that in a future budget.

Speaker 19 (26:37):
We're gonna have to find it because we are committed
to it, because again women are not worth less and
that's our labor value. We don't believe that, so we
are committed to finding that.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
We will look through the books carefully.

Speaker 18 (26:50):
So we are committed to finding that. I mean, I
thought that was pretty unambiguous. But if only it was
that easy.

Speaker 21 (26:57):
The position that both Barbara and I have said out
is very very clear. Label will reverse the government's changes
to pay equity. We'll set out how much that will
cost and how that will pay for it, how we
will pay for that in our fiscal plan that will
set out before the election. We're not in a position
to do that at the moment because we haven't seen
the gut breakdown of where that figure actually comes from.

Speaker 18 (27:15):
Okay, so we're back to not confirming if there were
refund the whole thirteen billion dollars. And it's a bit
of a mess from labor because if they got into
government and then decided that they would not repay this
thirteen billion dollars, then all the arguments around cutting women's
pay completely falls apart. And the Prime Minister he was
having a great all time laughing at them up in Auckland.

Speaker 22 (27:34):
Now Chris Hipkin speaks out on both sides of his mouth.
You know, he was actually for reversing it. The next
day he was actually said it's two hard, it's too difficult,
too complicated. Barbar Edmans is now saying that she would
reverse it all and find the thirteen twelve billion dollars
somewhere else, and Chris Itquin's still saying you won't do it.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
So I mean, like it's very very confusing.

Speaker 18 (27:50):
It's all as clear as much as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Were you at Jonesy's party last night?

Speaker 18 (27:56):
I was at John Z's party last night.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Did you see Jonesy leave and go down stares to
ask if it was just a free for all with
the tax incentive?

Speaker 18 (28:05):
I well, listen, I didn't have eyes on Jonesy the
whole time, but he was wearing his beautiful baby blue suits,
so it was really hard to miss. It was hard
to miss him.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
What do you make of this because this seems to
meet I mean, the way that this is being portrayed
in this newsroom article is that the cabinet ministers themselves
did not realize how much this is going to cost.

Speaker 18 (28:25):
It did seem that way, didn't it In terms of
the regulatory impact statement as well. It kind of seemed
like this this idea about the cap to the captive
of this scheme hadn't really been investigated that much by
the ministers in charge. And of course it's a it's
a it's a heck of a question, isn't it, Because
this is a fund or this is this is a
policy that is aiming to boost businesses coming to New

(28:46):
Zealand and if you've got a scheme where it would
take just a handful of billion dollar oil rigs or
commercial developments to swallow up most of the money in
any given year. So we put it to the Prime
Minister this afternoon and he actually said that he wasn't
really all that concern.

Speaker 22 (29:01):
We're come to all what we've estimated it to be
and the impact that it will be annually. The way
we've done it is by actually saying it's twenty percent
that you get to depreciate in their first year, and
that's that's the cat that's in place.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
So there is a cap, but this is that's not
what we're talking about. Luso.

Speaker 18 (29:15):
Yeah, it's hard to pen down, but nevertheless this has
gone through the House today. The House is in urgency,
but not before Julian Gender, who is obviously the Greens MP,
tried to change the name of the bill. Have a listen, Honoral.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Julian Gender's table to memory clause one to change budget
measures to taking money from babies to give text breaks
for you is out of order as being not a
serious amendment.

Speaker 18 (29:39):
I'll tell you what I Heather, it didn't stop there.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Ricardo men into marts. Table to memory clause one to
change budget measures to manifesting trickle down economics is out
of order as not being a serious amendment. Under change
budget measures to let them eat cake measures is out
of order as not being a serious amendment. Und to
change budget measures to let them buy yachts budget measure
is out of water. It's not being as serious as men.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
And it went on and on and on.

Speaker 18 (30:04):
I just thought, this is this is a good use
of your time in the house.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Oh, it was quite funny. I like that she hates
newts as well, Like just how much that would have
ripped the nickers of Julia Angie. And it just brings
me a great deal of pleasure. Hey, how hungover are
You're on a scale of one to ten?

Speaker 18 (30:17):
Oh, like a two. I had a couple of drinks,
so I was getting no. No, I wasn't that bad.
I've I had I'm in my mid to early thirties.
Now I can't do frevolous things like go out and
drink on a week.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Now you can't even count you are hungover. It's not
mid to early. You don't go backwards in time.

Speaker 18 (30:34):
It's early to mid Like I admit, I forgot how
old tea I.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Told you to go get the tea? Did you go
get the tea?

Speaker 18 (30:41):
Well, the we've got tea in the press galery office
and the.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Tea, Jason, don't waste the tea that's sitting in the
post office.

Speaker 18 (30:47):
Listen, as I told you yesterday, we're still out for
consultation and we need six to nine months.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Send another staff men to get the tea because because
they can't just sit there being wasted. Thank you. We'll
talk to you a quarter past six. Jason Wall's political editor,
seven away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast Malin.
It's minister Nikola Willis is with us nineteen year olds
who are unemployed.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
You're going to mean to test the parents.

Speaker 17 (31:09):
Well, I have talked to parents who say it's pretty tough.

Speaker 23 (31:13):
Michela, don't play this game with me.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
It depends where are you going to mean to test
the mat Is it one eighty plus or is it
a lot lower?

Speaker 9 (31:19):
And a lot of parents are going to go I
can't afford to do that.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
We only really want it to be an exceptional circumstances
because our base expectation is if you can't get a job,
you should be in training.

Speaker 23 (31:28):
You're talking to how much Nicola?

Speaker 18 (31:30):
How much does a parent have to earn before you
ping them?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Should it be one aighty plus?

Speaker 9 (31:34):
Well, I actually think it should be less than that.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Cabinet will obviously have to.

Speaker 13 (31:37):
Deliberate back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with a Vida News Talk z B.

Speaker 18 (31:44):
Either.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I don't understand the concern ry the twenty percent tax
reduction on business capital is the concern that businesses will
invest a lot more than the otherwise would, and doesn't
that mean that there will be more tax raised than
there otherwise would as well as boosting productivity. Look, the
simple concern is that there will just be so potential
for there to be so much spent in a short
period of time that it blows out the amount of

(32:05):
money the government had set aside for it. So that's
the But we'll have a chat to David Seamore about it.
He might have an idea. Now listen about the tea.
So Lana, if you're listening, I just want to say
thank you. And Lana's probably listening right now. You'll be
listening right now, Lana, because Lana was listening at this
time in the program yesterday when I was complaining that
there's no tea in the press gallery. Literally how many

(32:27):
of them are there? There's like fifty of them, isn't there.
There's not a tea bag in the kitchen, not a
tea bag, Like either they're too busy to buy tea
or too tight fisted. That's probably it to buy tea,
just like two uncivilized to sit down for a cup
of tea. Anyway, So Lana was picking up her child
from the preschool and she heard me complaining about it
on the radio. So she went and got some tea

(32:47):
and put it in a little little container and stuck
a little act badge on it if she worked with
the act party, stuck a little act badge on it,
and then came and left it outside our door and
didn't even take I had to do like the most
epic amount of investigation involving David Seawater find out and
then to think that Jason wall is just leaving that
tea lying there unclaimed. So ungrateful, unrail take it because

(33:09):
it's not a lot of time. You don't often get
freebies from the ACT Party.

Speaker 24 (33:12):
I'll tell you that I gave it, Simon Next, Questions, answers,
facts analysis, the drive show you trust for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Heather du Pusy on Drive with One New Zealand, let's

Speaker 9 (33:34):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Afternoon. Chris Luckson has twice said today that he wants
to raise the retirement age to sixty seven. Now this
is after pulling more government support out of our other
retirement scheme, key we Saver yesterday's budget. Chris Luckson says
they'll take the proposal to next year's election.

Speaker 22 (33:50):
I think we should try to make the case of
the Sex and seven the cleans way of del third
and I think elections or that exactly again.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
But of course there's a catch in that catch be
Winston Peters. David Seymour is the other leader of the
other coalition party, the ACT Party, and with us now, hey, David.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Hey, ever, would you support going to sixty seven. Well,
we've campaigned on it for years, and often to our cost.
I suspect that people have been turned off voting act
because there's some truth are expensive to tell politically. But
the reality is that our country now has a major

(34:28):
problem with balancing the budgets over the next decade and beyond.
That's because every year about sixty thousand people turned sixty
five and live longer, and the number of children they
had to keep paying taxes is less than it was
in say, the nineteen sixties, when this whole thing became

(34:50):
the norm. So I believe it's actually essential that we
face up to it and change of in saying it
for a long time. I remember when the National parties
said they were going ho for the change, but they
wanted to start it in twenty thirty seven. That was
in twenty seventeen, twenty years delay on the policy, and

(35:11):
then of course a few years went by and they said, well, look,
we might do it by twenty forty four. So, of course,
is now coming back into the present and saying we've
got to start being honest with each other about our future,
then I would support that and welcome to the position.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I mean, I think the difficulty you guys are going
to have is that there is so much welfare that's
just handed out. I feel like that social contract to
touch that, you would probably have to wind back a
whole lot of other welfare first to save money, don't
you think, well.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
I just think the fact that turning away from retirement,
one in six New Zealanders right now are on some
sort of benefit. Now, I believe that there should be
something for people who are you, only have a disability
or can't work. In fact, I think there's people in
those circumstances who should have more. But I refuse to

(36:07):
believe that one in six working age New Zealanders unable
to work. It's just an outrage, really, And that's why
the biggest item on the government budget. I mean, we're
spending about one hundred and forty five billion dollars on
everything in the budget, but over forty five of that
one hundred and forty five is basically super and benefits

(36:29):
of various sorts and form both.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Are you counting things like the winter energy payment, the
best start payment, working for families, like the whole.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Lot of it.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
I'm counting those, but I'm also counting things like sole
parent support, which many listeners will know is the DPB
Job Seeker many will know as the doll.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
You add it all together, and.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
There's things like invalids and veterans and things that I
think we should absolutely stand behind and ideally increase. But
they're one in six is far too many. And frankly,
you know, I look around Parliament and I see it
appears to be possible for people to work well past
sixty five. So I think it's time for everyone to
get on board.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Okay, now, did you realize, because Jonesy obviously didn't realize,
did you realize that there's no cap on how much
these people can spend on assets and then claim the
twenty percent tax incentive?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean, I you know, I've seen
people criticize that feature, but if you think about it,
there's no risk to the government. If people end up
doing more investment in capital equipment than we thought, then
that's true, that's more money, that more investment that we

(37:46):
won't be able to text as much. But overall there's
still more investments, so it's not as they were going
to be worse off.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
No, no, But is there not a chance that the
six point six that you've set aside billion dollars obviously
over four years blows out.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Well when there is, but it's also true that if
that happened, it's because there's even more investment than we
thought and we'll actually get more tax off.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
At in the lock run, so it pays for itself.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
How did Jones not realize that ability?

Speaker 5 (38:13):
No cap Look, I mean, I think he may see
me as the nerdy end of the of the government spectrum,
but sometimes you know, it has its advantages.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
It was very magnanimous of you, well, said David Seymour,
Act Party leader. I think what we're trying to we're
what we're establishing. As Jones, he was not necessarily paying
attention at that particular meeting. Twelve past five, Heather do
for Sea concern over how the Trump administration's latest move
against Harvard University will affect Kiwi students who are over there.
The Ivy League university has been banned from enrolling any

(38:46):
more overseas students, and anyone who's actually studying there right
now will have to either transfer out to another university
or leave the country or risk deportation.

Speaker 21 (38:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Jamie Beaton is a co founder of Crimson Education, which
helps the international students get into these Ivy League school schools. Jamie, Hello,
how's it going very well? Thank you, Jamie. Are we
taking this seriously? Do we think Trump's actually going to
do this?

Speaker 23 (39:09):
Trump's policy here is very similar to his one hundred
and twenty percent tariff on China, which is it's a
short term pressure hit against Harvard to try to make
them comply to some of his more aggressive demands. So
I would suspect this is probably going to last for
three months or so. We're of course planning for adverse scenarios,
but it seems like it's more a bluster than something

(39:29):
that will stick around for a while.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Okay, so if it does stick around for three months,
does it affect you, like, is that enough to actually
disrupt your business?

Speaker 23 (39:37):
Business wise, we are totally fine because our students applied
to a wide brand of US schools, So you know,
we had thirty six kids go to Harvard, which is
you know, was the most globally last year in our industry.
But that's still a small fraction of thousands we sent.
So business wise, all good, but we're more focused than
our students and the ones holding Harvard offers, and how
are they going to navigate this next period where they
can make choices last for example letting it out technique

(39:59):
gap or even they could take some online courses from
Harvard while they wait for this thing to clear up.
So we're navigating that for the students that are directly affected.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Are there some workarounds where you can just keep on
kind of plugging at it despite this?

Speaker 23 (40:14):
Yes, there are.

Speaker 25 (40:14):
So.

Speaker 23 (40:15):
During COVID, a lot of students left America and they
were doing online courses from their home country. The Department
of Homeland Security can restrict F one visas temporarily, but
they can't stop Harvards, for example, facilitating online course students
sitting in New Zealand or Australia. So temporarily, if they
needed to, they could just do their Harvard degree from elsewhere.
And also, Harvard has the world's best roster of exchange

(40:36):
partners for universities, so a student could easily do one
semester abroad and then come back to campus once this
thing sells down. So there are a number of move
students can make temporarily, But the question is how long
it lasts. We think it's unlikely the spreads to more
campuses and it's a very focused Harvard hits.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Now, is this going to affect your cinder who's there
on a fellowship?

Speaker 23 (40:57):
So students from the fellowship right now, it may directly
affect and their mate. I mean that the scholarship money
wouldn't be removed, but there would be risks to them
having to, for example, leave the country on short notice.
For the most directly affect the people are those that
probably are in one year programs for which it is
quite disruptive of their life. Probably a lot of the
graduate students in particular, who you know, were planning around

(41:18):
being on campus and being out at a certain time.
So I would say for those students, the keep thing
to figure out is, you know, can they just keep
doing their courses from afar? Of course those doing research
won't be that affected because they can do that from
other places, but it will be course work based mass
programs that are one year long, and it could be
a bit more spicy.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Jamie, thank you very much, really appreciated Jamie beat and
Crimson Education co founder. Right, we need we've got a
lot to get through, but also social media up next
quarter past listen. I got an email from somebody today.
I'm not going to name them because I'm not sure
that I should. But they work for ASB and they
told me ASB is upping the key. We save the
contributions for their make that they make for their stuff

(41:55):
almost immediately, because in the budget yesterday it said all
you know, all employers have to go from its three
percent three percent contribution to a four percent four percent
of contribution by I think it's within the next three
years or thereabouts, ASB starting in September. So got on
them for doing that. Eighteen past five. Now, as the
debate rolls on over whether the government should ban under
sixteens from social media, and Australian clinical psychologist is visiting

(42:17):
New Zealand arguing that we absolutely should, Doctor Danielle Einstein
is with us now, Doctor Danielle, Hello, Hi, have mate.
I can't get past your surname. I know, how good
is that? Any relation?

Speaker 26 (42:31):
Well, I've kept it going.

Speaker 14 (42:32):
We come from the same family and all, so, but
that's as close as it gets.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Wow, that's pretty cool. Now listen, do you think I
mean the big debate that we're having here in New
Zealand about whether the government should do this or not
is whether they actually can do it. Is it doable?

Speaker 14 (42:47):
I spoke with your Minister for Education today and she
has some fantastic ideas. And what is really important here
is that we are asking the platforms to step up.

Speaker 26 (43:00):
So it's not a question of its whether it's doable.
It's a question of who has skin in the game.

Speaker 14 (43:06):
The platforms need to take some responsibility for the age
of which young people are on their platforms because it's
just causing so many harms. We actually just can't afford not.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
But this sounds to me like it's not doable. What
do you mean so like it is not doable for
these guys to verify that somebody at fifteen is not
sixteen and that somebody at sixteen is sixteen.

Speaker 26 (43:28):
These platforms know how you're feeling.

Speaker 14 (43:31):
These platforms know how you're posting, what you're sharing, They
know how and they can read it.

Speaker 26 (43:36):
They can do that, They will be able to do it.
That is a sidetrack argument, can they do it?

Speaker 14 (43:42):
The real concern is the actual advocates and the people
that are actually misinterpreting evidence and data and saying it's
not really harming everyone, it's not harming them.

Speaker 26 (43:54):
In the same way.

Speaker 14 (43:55):
We are all being affected, whether it's the individual under
sixteen or the skio at which they go to and
the group at which they're in, whether they actually feel
like they belong. And the mental health crisis which is
affecting countries around the world is undeniable. So we just
it's not a question of durable or age assurance. It's

(44:16):
a question of whether it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Danielle, I'm starting to form. I'm a mother, but my
children are very young. The preschool is so well under
the age of using the social media. But obviously have
been reading things in advance, like The Anxious Generation and stuff,
and I have come to the view that I think
that social media is as bad for their little brains
as sigis are for their lungs. Am I being hysterical?

Speaker 14 (44:40):
No, it's actually it has our phones and our computers
and our emails, and in particular social media, which is
particularly persuasive and pervasive.

Speaker 26 (44:52):
It hooks us, it it pulls us in. It's addictive.

Speaker 14 (44:56):
You can fill the addictive pull as you walk in
the door of your home, and you if you pick
up your phone and try and look, Am I want it?

Speaker 9 (45:02):
Am?

Speaker 26 (45:03):
I needed somewhere. That's how you can tell.

Speaker 14 (45:05):
Or if you get into the car and need to
be connected immediately that second, you can feel it's an
invisible draw card.

Speaker 26 (45:13):
It's the dope.

Speaker 14 (45:13):
I mean, it's the uncertainty heather of is there something
good possibly waiting for me? And the important thing to
know is that because there's not always something good, sometimes
we don't get the message we want.

Speaker 26 (45:26):
Then we look somewhere else on our phone, all.

Speaker 14 (45:29):
Right, or our computer or our message for something else,
and all of a sudden, particularly children who just don't
have the emotional wherewithal yet, they just don't have the
tools yet to manage themselves and it's affecting their development.

Speaker 26 (45:43):
And that's what that's the message we've got to get out.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Danielle. It's good to talk to you. Look after yourself,
Doctor Danielle Einstein, clinical psychologist. Right, we're going to talk
next about Joe Biden in this Business with health cover
Ups five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Informed Inside into Today's issues, duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand, let's get connected youth talks.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
That'd be sports.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Huttle's going to be with us shortly hither the contract
for the pension was sixty then it went to sixty three,
then it went to sixty five. So where in the
contract does it say it can never be changed as
a fair point. It's twenty five past five. Now, look,
I'm not going to name any names, but I was
listening to a podcast this morning and it was featuring
a political commentator who has a reasonable profile in the US,
and he was explaining his conspiracy theory that Joe Biden

(46:27):
wasn't actually diagnosed with prostate cancer last week, but last year.
And what he thinks is Joe Biden was actually diagnosed
in the middle of twenty twenty four, and it was
around about the time in July that Joe Biden sent
out that tweet that said I'm sick and then really
quickly deleted it. And this conspiracy theory goes that they
then put Joe Biden on hormone treatment, which makes your

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thinking a little bit cloudy, which explains why Joe Biden
would get extra confused at times, and they deliberately kept
it quiet in the hope that he he could still
run again and then could win the election. And basically
the whole thing was a cover up. And then this
guy said something along the lines of, well, the Biden
team denies it, but we know they lie, they don't
we because they covered up his mental decline, And this

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is their problem, isn't it. This is why so many
people don't believe that Biden's cancer was only diagnosed this month,
because the Biden team has done this once and been busted.
When everyone else could see that he was going gaga,
when Fox was running videos of him stumbling and making
no sense, they kept on denying that he was going gaga.
When it was so imperent for the whole world to
see that things were not right in that debate with Trump,

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they kept on denying it. And now we're reading books
about the fact that they knew the whole way through
and they just covered it up. But here's the problem.
Whether we believe that Biden had his cancer diagnosis just
in the last few days or a year ago doesn't
actually matter, because that's actually not the biggest problem here.
The biggest problem is that these guys have infected our
perception of the entire political class across the Western world,

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haven't they. And I really don't think that's an exaggeration.
They didn't just undermine voter confidence in the Biden team,
or just in the Democrats, or even just in the
political parties in the United States. They have undermined our
belief in the entire political class in the Western world
because we already suspected that our politicians fibbed to us,
don't we We suspect they ferb and they twist the
truth and they mislead us. I mean, just cast your

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mind back to the pulpit of truth for five seconds
and remember all of those FIBs that were coming off
that maybe it's little lies, maybe it's big lies, but
we've always suspected it. Well, we just watched it play
out in the most obvious line in front of the
whole wide world. And I think, if you're prepared, if
you can see it playing out like that with Biden,
where else is it happening, brace yourself. I reckon for
more conspiracy theories being openly aired brazenly in public now,

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because that's what happens when you don't trust the truth anymore.
And frankly, of Biden, who was the quote good guy
of American politics, could lie so brazenly, then voters an't
gonna trust anyone.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Heather do per Se Allen.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Speaking of which Jake Tapper. Do you remember Jake Tapper
wrote the book. He's written the book with another guy
from Axios. Anyway, I'm gonna Jake Tapper's just apologized multiple
times for failing to cover the Trump thing. Probably all.
I'll run you through that before the end of this hour.
Headlines next, and then let's go find out how on
earth are going to manage two sold out games at

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Speaker 1 (49:17):
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Speaker 1 (49:40):
Either.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I listened to exactly the same podcast. Good from you, Jamie.
It's quite a good podcast, doesn't it. It's quite wild
hearing that conspiracy theory sports title standing by. It's twenty
four away from six now. It's a huge weekend this
week ago media Mount Smart Stadium. You got two sold
out games, the Auckland FC second semi final which is
happening tomorrow, and then the Warriors on Sunday. The stadium

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has also just been given the prize for the Best
Stadium Atmosphere by the Football Players Association.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Mike Gray is the managing director at GO Media, who
sponsor the stadium, is with us now, Mike.

Speaker 9 (50:10):
Hallo, Hi here, They're lovely to talk to you again.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
It's lovely tools you. Congrats on that award. Listen. How
much work is it going to be for these guys
having to turn around what's too sold out games in
two days?

Speaker 9 (50:21):
Well?

Speaker 25 (50:22):
The ground staff they are pretty impressive, to be honest,
so they've got quite seasoned at this. I was over
in Sydney with the Crusaders last weekend and I was
looking at the state of the ground at the Aliens
and it wasn't good. So I think they do an
incredible job at GO Media.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
What do they actually have to do to the turf
to keep it up to scratch?

Speaker 25 (50:43):
Oh, they just make sure people don't go on it
as little as they can. They're mowing it constantly, all
those sorts of things. But it's just it's a great purchase.
It's just looked after.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Will you ever watch what they do between games? Like
they're going to have to do something on Sunday morning
to make sure that the turf is okay for Sunday
to do.

Speaker 25 (51:01):
Yeah, well they have to remark it. They have to
get the rugby posts up soccer GOLs down. So I
have actually watched it taking place after games where they've
got to get it ready for the next day.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
So, yeah, they're on nights, do they Sometimes they do? Yep.

Speaker 25 (51:17):
They're literally mowing it to get rid of the paint
lines and they start straight away.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Oh so game one has to have a little bit
longer in terms of the grass than game two.

Speaker 9 (51:27):
Well, depending on the sport, but yes, they do like
different cuts and.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, which game are you more invested in? I'm not
going to lie, I'm more invested in the football?

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Well my I margin, well, no I am.

Speaker 25 (51:40):
I am specifically tomorrow because I want them to get
to the final.

Speaker 9 (51:43):
I think they deserve it.

Speaker 25 (51:45):
They've been outstanding and it'd be so cool to have
them to have a final, which will be in Auckland.
But you know, the Warriors two on the table and
I'm going to call it. I think it's going to
be the year. I think they're going to go the
whole way this year. Do you think so, yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
It's easy to It's just words, Mike, What are you
going to put behind those words?

Speaker 9 (52:05):
My Adolha, that's not a loss, is it. Hey?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Now, how are you feeling about that situation with the
boutique stadium that's going to be built potentially at Western Springs,
because that's going to rip these guys away from you?

Speaker 25 (52:19):
Oh well, I've got relationships with both of the bidders,
so it's a bit hard for me to comment. But
I think at the end of the day, what Auckland
needs is the right type of stadiums for the community.

Speaker 9 (52:32):
And as long as the whatever's developed there.

Speaker 25 (52:35):
Because it's at public consultation now, as long as it's
fit for purpose, I think that's the key one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Well, hey, listen, have a lovely weekend. Thank you very
much for your time. I hope you have a wonderful time.
That's Mike Grave, managing director at GO Media naming rights
obviously for Mount Smart and I twenty one away from.

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Speaker 7 (53:02):
Foot in touch there, So I'm going to go back
and disallow to try because it's a clear footing touch.
That wasn't the final attacking phase within scoring. As Artie
Savi pointed out, the Blues got the ball back.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It's going to be an interesting discussion point. Can you
talk to these court?

Speaker 7 (53:18):
God afternoon added mission from Super Rugby officials and the
refereeing panel made a mistake disallowing a more onea pacific a.

Speaker 9 (53:25):
Dry That's okay. I think of angus and the refs
always talk to them like we're human. We make mistakes.

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Speaker 9 (53:43):
Great?

Speaker 6 (53:44):
See that? Greens?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Or does you go into this? Are you going to
either of the matches over the weekend? No, I'm not, Ashley.

Speaker 15 (53:52):
I'll probably sit there and put my feet up and
watch on Telly.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
And there is a joy to that of a nice
warm fire. Yeah nice? Is that wild? Is that because
you want to be home or is it simply because
no one's invited you?

Speaker 9 (54:05):
Oh? Probably, but of both.

Speaker 12 (54:07):
No, I'm happy to be home, believe you me.

Speaker 19 (54:09):
That'll be good.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Just watch it with the kids on the count totally.
Now listen next, I'll tell you what's really got me
quite unnecessarily wound up this week as the Super Rugby rules.
How on earth are we supposed to follow the game
if the refs can't follow the game.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
That's a good point, isn't it? And I'm glad I
don't have a hard copy of the rugby law book.
Would be pretty heavy away around towards as they head
to Apollo Project Stadium tonight for the Crusaders Highlanders. But
look at it is frustrating.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
I must have been.

Speaker 8 (54:38):
We're talking about that incident last week with the foot
and touch, and I felt really sorry for Angus Gardner,
the referee.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
He stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Speaker 8 (54:46):
He's seen a really obvious, a clear and obvious foot
and touch, irrespective of World Rugby's you know, over complicated
complex laws. Ultimately the place should it should have been
picked up fundamentally by the assistant referee, but it shouldn't
have been a try.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
So but now we find out maybe it should have
been a try because between the foot being in touch
and the try.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Posession, that's right, that's right, and and the fact that
it's changed again since the most i guess highly scrutinized
incident at the regularl Cup when the All Blacks were
disallowed to try you know, the two phases. It gets
even more complicated based on if it's an obstruction or
a penalty offense, let alone a foot in touch or

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a knock on or a forward pass. So look, I
think we're trying to find perfection in an imperfect world. Personally,
I think they should have played, you know, played to
what they saw. It was clear and obvious. But at
the same time, you know that the administrators are determined
to let the game flow, and the fans want that

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too in terms of television Match official coming in. So
I just think when it's clear and of years, which
it was, that that's when the TMO can jump in,
rather than you know, all these spots and maybes or
shades of gray for very rare circumstances like what we
saw on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Just what actually is the problem here? Is is it
the overly complicated rules or is it the TMO involving
themselves and then getting it wrong.

Speaker 15 (56:20):
Well, I think in that I mean, keep's a good
referred everything, but they've missed. If they've missed the foot
and touch, that's where the problem started. And I mean
the rule seems relatively clear at least if it's in
the last attacking play, then yep, you can ping it.
And if it's not, and in this case it's not,
then you can't. So that would be relatively clear cut.
But as Nick mentions, they've flip flopped around these sort

(56:42):
of things right back, you know, you go back to
that World Cup final, et cetera. It's just and then's
just a straking fans taking fans away from the game,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
You can I put something to you. Okay, So Angus
Gardner looks at it on the field and he goes,
it's a try, right, and then TMO goes, actually, hang
on the tank, let me go back glance, No there's
a fooden touch. But if TMO wants to go backwards
and go no, actually there was a foot in touch,
then why didn't TMO see that there was also a
change in possessions? Do you know what I mean? Like
it's it feels to me like if they had just

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not sad, if TMO didn't exist right now, we wouldn't
even be having this debate because the try would have
been awarded and it would have been the right call.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, it's just it's just a clanger.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
It's a isn't it.

Speaker 18 (57:23):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 9 (57:25):
It is.

Speaker 15 (57:26):
Okay, But then I've got to be able to But
then the original part of that is the foot should
have been picked up in touch before that.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yes, possibly, Okay, So here's the nuclear option. Nick that
Elliott is trying to push this as Elliot Smith and
he knows as Rugger. He says, you've got to get
rid of the TMO altogether. What do you think?

Speaker 9 (57:44):
No, I disagree with Elliott on that.

Speaker 8 (57:46):
I think I think that we need to be very
clear and I think that that Rugby is trying its
utmost to figure out the exact involvement of the TMO,
because I think we can all agree last year, in
the last couple of years, it was getting too much,
and it was it was ruining the flow of the game.
Fans were frustrated, players, administrators and so on. You know,
there seems to have tied it up that by and large,

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But ultimately I actually think the problem and again I'd
have to go back and just clarify, but it came
up on the big screen as part of like the
broadcast replay, so that they put it up, everyone else
saw it, and then they had to act upon it
because ultimately it's a put of Dutch. So that's where
I think clear and obvious. If it's clear and obvious,
you know, we're not talking about is that ford? Is

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it mildly a forward pass? Is it a blade of
grass between it? You know, Lalamela, Lola Milo's full right
boot was on that was on that pape, so that
that that's where that's where it starts and finishes for me.
I think they're going some way to doing it. And
and look, this is a problem for sport, not only rugby,
but you know, you look at football at the moment,

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you've got the involvement of the vaar. You look at
you know, the the the increasement of technology and sport
is something every every code is trying to wrestle with.
But ultimately you've got to find that balance between over
involvement and the absolute striving for perfection when you know,
just like players, officials and referee make mistakes too.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Now, all right, we'll take a break, come back with
you guys in the tickets quarter to.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
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Speaker 3 (59:23):
Right, you're back at the sports tittle Andrew Ordison and
Nick Beerley orders, have you caught up with some run
at straight event business that's going on?

Speaker 20 (59:30):
I have indeed here.

Speaker 15 (59:31):
Yeah, I felt like, you know, you're Marty McFly getting
in the deloreum and going back about thirty years.

Speaker 20 (59:36):
I mean, it's just we've had all this evidence about concussion,
CT etc. Brain damage. I mean the trouble is if
you if you get rid of that, though, I suppose
that you're looking at boxing, you're looking at MMA, what
else would you ban? I suppose?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I mean there was a few that's crowd there.

Speaker 26 (59:52):
You can't ban it.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Crowd marvel at the stupidity, can't you?

Speaker 20 (59:56):
That's right exactly, That's that's my conclusion. If who want
to do that, I mean, you'd be funding it as
a tax pay later on when the you know, the
head injuries take their toll. But nonetheless, yeah, it's just
it just feels feels crazy doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
But I don't know, I get out, Nick, I need
you to explain something to me, though, because we had
George Burgess, the former Rabbit O on yesterday and he said,
the whole thing behind this is that it's like taking
you back to being in a war, you know. It's
like it's like the same stuff that they were doing
with the warrior spirit and just running at each other.

(01:00:31):
What the hell is wrong with men that you people
have to do this kind of thing?

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
Hey, hey, don't don't tarnish us all with the same
brush now here, and some of us are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I've got a theory what I reckon is going on
is men. It's well known and documented that men love
risk more than a woman, right, but the world has
become too soft and there's not enough risk in the
world for you anymore. Like, what's the biggest risk that
you face Probably going home and not packing the dishwasher.
So what's happening is there's some blokes out there who
are creating risk.

Speaker 18 (01:01:03):
What do you think, Rocker.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
I can't get my head around the run at straight content,
And to be perfectly honest, I was going to hopeful
we weren't going to give it too much oxygen tonight.
But look each to their own. If you want to
put yourself in that situation, there's absolutely no chance. I
don't think these competitors or runners would be doing if
there wasn't a surprise buddy involved.

Speaker 9 (01:01:23):
They're not just doing.

Speaker 8 (01:01:24):
It's a warrior spirit, you know, there's there's something in
it for them.

Speaker 9 (01:01:27):
But yeah, it's not for me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Now I feel really bad, don't you. Orders Like we've
got to stop talking about it or we're going to
be promoting it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:37):
Where's it going to end up? Is it going to
sort end up with a running man territory or you know,
where do we where do we finish all this? I mean,
it feels like a real circus ack this one, and
I just don't know just that. Yeah, you're right here.
I think you've just got to consign it to you know,
if you want to go and do that sort of stuff,
well good luck to you. But boy, it's just a

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thing like craziness.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Nicholasten, tell me, are you keen on the supercars event
that's coming down your part of the world?

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
Look on, no petrol head, but yeah, I think if
I have the time then I'll head along. And look,
I'm really pleased for the motorsport community down here, particularly
at the Cannabury Car Club who've put a lot of
work in to get this across the line. I'm fascinated
to see its level of interest. Like most things, I think,
you know, in a new addition to a sporting calendar,

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there will be a bit of a novelty element for
the casuals and I think it'll be well supported initially.
I do wonder, you know, long term how sustainable it
could be with topaul there as well.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
Look, you know, working in.

Speaker 8 (01:02:39):
The sports media business, I think it's fair to say
maybe outside of a New Zealand leg and Bathhurst Supercars,
the interest for the casual sports observers probably weighing to
touch since the Scott McLaughlin Shane van Gisbergen days. But
then again, there's a young key we driver by the
name of Matt Payne, only twenty two years of agees
don't okay at the moment, so who knows, might be
sort of dawn of a new era. To you know,

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we're a very successful motorsport country when you look at
you know, some of our most successful drivers around the world,
Scott Dixon and the like and lead lawson of course,
So I'm I can't wait to see how it goes.

Speaker 9 (01:03:13):
And I really hope it is a success. Yeah. Same.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Listen, guys, go and enjoy your weekend. Thank you so much,
appreciate it is Andrew Ordison and Nick Berley sports title
this evening eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Heather. The TMO actually told the ref he should award
the try as there was a possession turnover, and Gardner
overruled him, which so I checked that with Nick Bewley,
and apparently that is entirely true. Not only did the
TMO say, hey, there was a possession to turn over,
you should you should award the try, but apparently one
of the line judges touch judges were also saying exactly
the same thing. So the whole thing is just because

(01:03:50):
it's just a shambles, isn't it. I mean, listen, I
keep coming. Actually, in the end, I come back to
the fact that it's just a rules problem because ultimately
the actually involved itself but got it right in the end.
By the looks of things, one of the refs missed
the fact that the foot was on the line. Ultimately,
it's just too many rules complicating the thing, and you've
got all these people sitting there unable to decide what

(01:04:12):
to do. It's a rules problem. If nobody if you
can't agree, then it's a rules problem, I think now.
Jake Tapper, so do you remember back into it. This
is Jake Tapper who's written the book about Joe Biden
and his mental decline, in the fact that it was
all a cover up and blah blah blah. Jake works
for CNN. Do you remember back in twenty twenty, Jake
Tappa held that interview on CNN with Lara Trump. It

(01:04:32):
was a humdinger of an interview because Lara went on
the interview and said, oh, something wrong with Biden, Oh
something funny going on with him, mental decline, And Jake
got so ht up and he said she had no
qualifications to be deciding what was going on with Biden,
and he cut the interview off. And then guess what happened.

(01:04:53):
Jake wrote a book, didn't he, in which he basically
backed up exactly what Lara was saying. He now says
she he was right and I was wrong. He's apologized
to her. He said, I look back at that exchange
and not just that, but my coverage in general with humility,
I don't. I mean, I did cover this. I can
point to times where you know, I asked him this,
or I asked him that, or I pointed this out

(01:05:16):
to this person or whatever. Whatever. Jackie sound weak on this,
but knowing what I now know, I barely scratched the surface.
Very few people outside the conservative media world were doing so,
so there we go. I mean, it is quite like.
The interesting thing is that Jake is selling you a
book rise He's asking you to pay him to tell
you a story which he could have told you five

(01:05:36):
years ago for free if he was actually doing his
journalism properly. But such as that's how the world works now.
I meant to tell you earlier this week about Chorus
pulling out the copper wires, but I didn't have time
because it's been budget week and there's been all the
shenanigans going on with the Maori party and stuff. So
I'm going to try and explain. I'll tell you about
it in the next hour. Next up, though, we're going
to talk to Robin Walker, who is a tax expert,

(01:05:59):
on just how much we're going to end up paying
in this tax incentive skin potentially news talks at.

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Even in coming up in the next hour, we're gonna
have j Peter Lewis out of Asia, just get the
first real good indicator of what the trade tensions are
doing to the Chinese economy. Jason Woolves will wrap the
political week that wasn't. Gavin Gray will be with us
out of the UK where they are considering chemical castration
again seven Parlus six. Now to the budget yesterday, it
turns out there is no cap on how much the

(01:07:04):
government could end up spending on that business tax incentive
which was unveiled in that budget. It seems to have,
according to at least one report, called even Cabinet Minister
Shane Jones by surprise that businesses can spend as much
as they like and still claim the twenty percent tax incentive. Now,
Robin Walker is a tax partner with Deloitte and it's
with us. Now, have Robin Hi, were you surprised?

Speaker 23 (01:07:25):
I was surprised.

Speaker 27 (01:07:26):
I was absolutely gobsmacked. Why I just wasn't expecting it.
I thought when they took you know, depreciation of buildings,
which cost half a billion dollars to take money to
save some money, that you know, that was a huge number.
But this is three times that. I would never have
envisioned them spending this. But I think it's really positive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Oh, hold on, I think we're talking about different things.
You are surprised that it's in the budget at all.

Speaker 27 (01:07:52):
Yes, I was surprised it was in the budget at all.
I thought I'd do some tinkering.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
That is, this is massive And are you surprised that
there is no cap.

Speaker 27 (01:08:03):
I think having no cap puts the right incentives. But
I mean, obviously it makes it easy for people. So
it is important though that people think about how it
actually works through. So it's not like if you spend
one hundred dollars, you get twenty dollars cash back. The
actual cost of it is you get twenty percent is
a depreciation deduction. So if you're a company, you then

(01:08:25):
get your deduction is twenty eight percent of that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
So if you're.

Speaker 27 (01:08:28):
Spending ten thousand dollars, for example, BET equates to a
cash tax saving of five hundred and sixty dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Yeah, I worked it out. It's basically about five point
six percent of whatever is spending. Right, So you're spending
a billion, it's five point six percent of that that
you get back. Yep, we'll get off rather whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:08:45):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Are you surprised that buildings are in there? Shit, buildings
been there, because it's somehow I had just imagined that
this would be for productive assets, assets that are going
to actually increase our productivity, not things like buildings.

Speaker 27 (01:08:57):
Well, commercial buildings do have productive use. I mean, it's
definitely good for our building stock to be modern as well.
And one of the positive things is that improvements to
existing buildings, and we've got a lot of existing buildings
that need earthquake strengthening that will also qualify those expenses
have largely been what we call black hole. There's been

(01:09:18):
no deductions allowable for business owners for those and so
that was really creating a drag on people getting a
move on incurring that type of expenditure, whereas this will
put a real incentive on people to get started.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Would you have left it at twenty percent or would
you have gone higher?

Speaker 27 (01:09:37):
When you look at the regulatory impact statement, and it's
a really good read for the Bostins out there who
need some weekend reading. They say that twenty percent is
the sweet spot.

Speaker 23 (01:09:47):
So it's you know, it's obviously costing.

Speaker 27 (01:09:49):
A lot, but it's not costing as much. So officials
also looked at whether or not they could reduce the
company tax rate by five percent instead of this, and
this was a lot cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
The reason I ask is because, as I, as I
discussed on the show yesterday, both Donald Trump and Rishi
Sunac I've been told actually ran it out at about
one hundred percent. And I was having a chat to
former Revenue Minister stun Asho was in the budget yesterday
along with your good self, and he was saying to
me that businesses had asked for fifty percent, so twenty
percent seems on the low end.

Speaker 27 (01:10:20):
Well it's still more than nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
You're you're you're so easily pleased.

Speaker 23 (01:10:29):
I am easily please.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Okay, Well we'll just take it's more than nothing. And
there there it is. Robin, I really appreciate it. Thank you,
look after yourself. Its Robin Walker, Deloitte tax partner. Yesterday
there was a big our interest in Wellington seems to
have dropped off a little bit now that the largest
problem when Wellington is going to be gone by October.
This is Tory Fano, obviously, but there are still some

(01:10:53):
interesting things that are happening in Wellington. And one of
the things is that had this big meeting yesterday trying
to decide what to do with you know, various various things,
how to spend their money that would go in your house,
blah blah. It's all very Wellington issues. But one of
the things they decided to do was to vote for
motorbikes and scooters and I'm talking about like mopeds to
pay parking rates of a dollar an hour. It would

(01:11:16):
apply Monday to Friday, and it would apply eight am
to eight pm, and you could park a dollar an hour,
and then once you had six dollars, it just at
stop says it's a six dollar cap. And not everybody
loved it because some of the counselors like Ben McNulty
started putting up some really ridiculous arguments like oh no,
you can't. You can't charge parking for a motorbike because

(01:11:36):
then everybody's going to be incentivized to drive their cars. Mate,
think about what you're saying, Think about what you're saying
six dollars a day for a motorbike parking is not
even going to touch the sides of what you pay
for an hour with a car. So no, you're not
going to give up your bike and then start bringing
in your car that's going to be even more expensive.
You're numpty anyway. I like ben So I say numpty

(01:11:59):
with love anyway. Anyway, I like the side apart from
all those ridiculous arguments. I like this idea. Everybody needs
to be doing this if everybody isn't already doing some
way when they're doing this earlier. Because what you need
to understand is that that motorbike car park is a
council asset and it needs to make the money for
the ratepayers, because if it's not making money for ratepayers,
and the rate pays are basically providing it for free

(01:12:21):
for the motorbike people. So it's good that the motorbike
people come and pay to use that, and that will
go just the tiny, tiny, tiny little way to contributing
to the rates, so the rates don't have to go
up by how much they're going up. Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Hi head the just to infuriate the numpty brackets with
love some more. What we really need is number plates
on cycles so that when they weave their way through
the traffic dangerously, we can report them and have them
taken off the road. Nick, A lot of people would
agree with you. I'd imagine sixteen past six or it's
wrapped the political week that was with our political edits
to Jason Walls, welcome back, Thank you very much. What
was your favorite thing in the budget?

Speaker 9 (01:13:02):
You know, I was.

Speaker 18 (01:13:04):
There was a number of things, I think for me.
I there was a question to Nicola, and I thought
she handled the questions quite well. There was one in
particular about government debt and it was one of the reporters.
I'm not gonna name who they are, but essentially it
was like, you know, it's only two percent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
I named in yesterday on the program.

Speaker 18 (01:13:21):
Okay, it's Bernd Higgins. But Bernard has been asking since
I was essentially and said when it's essentially since I've
been born, right that why isn't the government borrowing more?
Why can't they just borrow more and just you know,
eat the interest and Nicola Willis gave a really good
answer as to why that was a bad idea and
talked about the interest bill being about eight or nine
billion dollars a year, and it was it was quite

(01:13:42):
refreshing to hear somebody talk like this and to say
instead of just kind of taking the easy wrote in
terms of getting and piling on more debts so we
can fund other things, that's actually saying we'll hang on
a second. We can't just ratchet up debt because people,
the young people of today are going to have to
pay for that tomorrow. And in saying that, I mean
the debt bill is still enormous, But it was I

(01:14:03):
thought it was good to hear her clap back if
you will do you know what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Was fascinating Yesterday I got talking to Paddy Gower naming
names again, got talking to Patty Gower in the lock
up and he said to me, oh, this is a
fantastic budget because it's a classic blue budget and there's
money for the farmers to go and buy a uton
then claim twenty percent back. And what occurred to me
while he was saying that is that we haven't quite
snapped out as a country of looking at these budgets

(01:14:31):
and like framing them as successful or not based on
who they give money to, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 11 (01:14:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:14:36):
Yeah, And there's always a tendency to say who the
big winners are out of every single budget.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
When actually this is a loser's budget because we are
our debt is heading to forty six percent. What we
really need to be talking about as a country is
what are we prepared to cut? What are we prepared
to give up to get the books back in order?
And I don't know that we're quite getting there as
a country yet, are we. If the framing is like
this is a great blue budget.

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:15:00):
Yeah, And it was actually quite interesting sitting right next
to you when you and Patty had that very animated
and lively discussion. It was quite funny watching the two
of you in full flight. But yeah, no, I mean
I do tend to agree, and I think that we
kind of need to wean ourselves off sort of the
big winners and the big losers and kind of have
a situation where we look at a budget and say,
we need a period of fiscal consolidation for a while

(01:15:23):
just to get things just on the straight and arrow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Really you know what, I've met my match with Patty.
I couldn't get a word in each ways.

Speaker 26 (01:15:29):
Did you know that?

Speaker 18 (01:15:30):
Well, it was because I was sitting there trying to
take cuts for our bulletins and the only thing I
could hear was this is a great budget. And you
were like, this is a terrible budget. It was it
was like it was great, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Thanks for noticing. So, I mean, look, have we has
this week? Has yesterday not underscored too chippy that he
should not take the side of the Maori Party ever,
they will embarrass him.

Speaker 18 (01:15:55):
You would, you would think, and it's it's it's very
He stood up in the house and he gave he
he was one of the only ones that actually give
a speech before Chris Bishop kind of surprised us all
and adjourned the debate. But he said, now listen, I'm
not defending the Marti Party, and everybody erupted in laughter
because it's exactly what he was doing, and this idea
that you know, he's pulling it back a little bit.

(01:16:17):
In terms of the punishment from the Privileges Committee, they'd
recommended twenty one days for the co leaders. He had
said three days, and then later in the day, he
reverted that back to twenty four hours. But I mean,
and I think I've said this to you before. One
of the most fascinating things that I've heard recently was
actually David Farrier on your show, and he was talking
about the fact that he's done some polling about the

(01:16:38):
drag effect on the leaders. And if you're a NAT
you tend to like Winston and you tend to like
David Seymour, if you're a Labor supporter, you tend to
not like the Tea Party, Marty Cole leaders and the Greens.
So I think he's got some real concerns there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Yeah, I mean, is that a surprise to you, Jason, No,
it's not.

Speaker 18 (01:16:58):
I think that the Labor Party is still a centrist party,
but the left in terms of the Greens, anti Party Marty,
are moving very very much, Yeah, into this very left
space which haven't seen occupied.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I just wonder if we haven't all together appreciated that. Sure.
I mean, Actors you know, is kind of extreme in
some of the stuff, but they that extremity is nothing
compared to how extreme the Maori Party is. Like they
are so extreme that they actually make that whole coalition impossible.

Speaker 18 (01:17:29):
Right, and it's going to be something that Chris Hipkins
is going to have to balance because I was talking
to a few people last night from the various different
parties and they were almost sort of rubbing their hands
with glee in terms of the ads that they're going
to run in the next election, because all they need
to do is just sort of go back to that
classic National Party ad where it's all the different parties

(01:17:50):
rowing the same row boat and going around in circles.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Jason, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.
As always, Jason Wall's political edits are wrapping the political
week that was. Hey from the budget Yesterday's a bit
of good news if you're one of those stats nerds.
Stats has been given sixteen point five million dollars to
start reporting inflation more frequently. So at the moment they
reported quarterly and from the start of twenty twenty seven
they will be reporting it monthly. Now this is good

(01:18:15):
news because the infrequency of data, the fact that we
only get it quarterly instead of monthly, is at least
part of the reason why the Reserve Bank has so
so badly cocked up the inflation story. It's why they
went at least part of the reason why they went
so hard health leather and printed the money and took
us to the inflation heights because they were like, no,
there's no inflation, no inflation, no inflate. Oh there's inflation

(01:18:36):
because the data wasn't coming through fast enough. And then
it's also potentially part of the reason why they've gone
so hard. They had to go so hard the other
way anyway, So fingers crossed getting it every month, which
basically brings us up to speed with I would consider
most other countries are doing good news for US six
twenty two, croasing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
The numbers and getting the results, it's hither dupicled with
the business hour and mass insurance and investment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Let's throw your wealth protect your future.

Speaker 9 (01:19:02):
These talks end me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Look, if you if you've been following the situation with
justice over in the UK, you'll know that they're running
out of prison space. So one of their solutions is
to instead of keeping the sex offenders in jail, chemically
castrate them, right, so give men, give them medication to
suppress the seks drive and then let them out of jail.
And they're considering making it mandatory. So we have chat
to Gavin Gray when he's with us shortly. It's twenty
five past six now, so it was walking down Ponsmby

(01:19:26):
Road earlier this week and the boy who's three loves
to see anybody doing any work with road cones. Loves
a road cone. So he currently in Auckland is absolutely
beside himself just loving all the road cones because they're everywhere.
So anyway, every time we come across the road cone,
we've got to stop and ask the lads what they're
up to. And these guys are still at the corner
of I think it's like one of the little ones

(01:19:46):
you know around about. They're by toll And corner of
toll And Ponds me or whatever round about there, and
they've they've got they've got the area coned off and
they've lifted the man cover and that they're down in
the hole right, and so he wants to know what
they're up to, and that pulling the copp cables out.
Chorus is pulling out the copper cables because as we know,
they're shutting down the copper network by twenty thirty five,
and if they have parts of the country where there's

(01:20:08):
genuinely no one using it, anymore or very few people,
and they just shut it down and rip out the cables. Anyway,
what's interesting about it is Chorus had said that they
were not going to keet the cables out of the ground,
they were going to leave them there, but presumab for them.
Presumably they then looked at the copper price, which is
astronomical right now, which is why old mates are running
around stealing copper, piping and stuff of people's houses, as

(01:20:29):
stealing stuff out of the state houses. Apparently, copper price
at the moment is four dollars sixty ish. It was
five years ago it was about half that. It's about
two dollars twenty or thereabouts. So if you can get
your hands on a bit of copper, then you can
make a mint. And Chorus has decided we are sitting
on a gold mine, so they're ripping that stuff. I do,
you know what I mean. There's one of two ways

(01:20:51):
of looking at this. You can either think, geez, that's desperate,
or you can think waste not. And I'm very firmly
of that opinion. I loved it. The two guys are
down there with those bolt cutters, and they would get
they were official the sound don't sound particularly official with
bolt cutters and stuff, but they were here. Do you
want some tips for how to get in good night's sleep,
Here you go. Tips for a good night sleep. According

(01:21:11):
to the experts. What you need to do is obviously
stay away from too much caffeine in the afternoon. Limit
your alcohol use because it's going to fragment your sleep.
This is in the Sydney Morning Herald. But also your
bedroom temperature should be about seventeen to eighteen degrees, which
is pretty cool. And then set an alarm for one
hour before you expect to go to bed. When that
alarm goes off, shut down all the lights in your house.

(01:21:32):
You're going to be stunned by how sleepy you are
in that hour before going to bed. Try not to
use your devices. Limit it right, because the devices help
you procrastinate your sleep and also as boring as the sound.
Go to bed at exactly the same time every night
and wake up at exactly the same time every day,
and you will find that sleep regularity and just getting
your body into a little clock and that hour's warning

(01:21:54):
sleep like a baby. Headline's next, Oh, I get with mine.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen
and Mays insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 17 (01:22:12):
You'se talks at me.

Speaker 18 (01:22:19):
Absolutely right when you were.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Talking to Jason Walls that the budgets need to deal
with our foreign debt. Now on Hipkins's this year changed
just into an abusive desperado. Look, I was quite surprised
at I think that we fall into this trap when
we do political coverage and in the press gallery. You
fall into this trap where you assess a budget based
on who did it give money to and how does

(01:22:41):
it help the government win the next election, and look
from a political lens, Like from the political perspective, that's
not a bad lens, but that doesn't help us economically
as a country, does it. Handing out money to like
basically Paul Barreling, basically buying votes does not help the
countries situation. And I feel like now that I'm out

(01:23:02):
of the press gallery and out of Wellington, out of politics,
starting to get a different perspective. I feel like I'm
listening too much Hosking. To be honest, I'm going to
turn into Hosking any minute now. Just be completely obsessed
with debt. But I think that is I think he's right.
This is the most important thing actually anyway, now.

Speaker 10 (01:23:18):
Don't keep that pin away from that desk either.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
That is why this is our Yeah, Gavin Gray is
going to be this out of the UK and ten
minutes time's twenty four away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Heather do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent is with us. Hello Peter,
Hello Heather. Peter. Now I'm looking at all of this
data that's coming out of China and it just looks
like a raft of bad news. Is there anything good
in there?

Speaker 12 (01:23:44):
Well, it is a lot of data, and it's important
data as well, because it's for April. And you'll remember
back on the second of April, that's when Donald Trump
declared Liberation Day and that announced all these reciprocal tarots,
which went at one stage on China as high as
why one hundred and forty five percent before they were
withdrawn back down to about thirty percent. So the data

(01:24:07):
gives us an idea of what what's happened a couple
of things. First of all, the impact of tariffs hasn't
been as bad as initially feared. An industrial production which
is a measure of manufacturing, and factory output did better
than what put people some thoughts. Manufacturing was up about
six point six percent year on year, not a bad number,

(01:24:30):
slowing still it had collapsed. Exports have collapsed to the
US in that data, but what has happened is it's
sort of been offset by exports elsewhere, in particular Southeast Asia,
some of the emerging markets, the Middle East. So what
we're seeing is that although shipping, shipments and exports to

(01:24:52):
the US are definitely slowing as you would expect with
those high tariffs, there are new markets that China is
finding to help offset that. And it just shows that
really President Jiu Jinping's strategy is probably the right one,
which is basically working on a new global trading system
that just doesn't involve the US. If the US doesn't

(01:25:14):
want to trade with China fair enough, we'll go and
trade elsewhere and build up an alternative trading system.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
How much appetite do you think there is amongst other
trading countries like ourselves, like Australia blah blah blah to
actually lock in.

Speaker 9 (01:25:29):
With she on that.

Speaker 12 (01:25:31):
I think there is some I think have to be
careful about how far that will go because countries like Australia,
New Zealand, Japan, South Korea and not natural political allies
of China, but at the same time that there are
big power in the Asian Economic zone, in the global zone,

(01:25:54):
and therefore these countries do want to trade with them
and do need to trade with China. I can, but
it would also like to trade with the US as well,
which is more of a natural political ally for those countries.
So they're trying to tread a careful line between appeasing
both and not upsetting either. And perhaps the master of

(01:26:18):
doing that, of being able to trade with everyone is India.
Uendo Modi has built up a you know, the sort
of the handbook of how to do this and how
to sort of get trade deals done with almost everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
That it's a fair point. Listen, I see she has
been stepping up this call for industrial self sufficiency. Is
this falling on diff he is or is it actually
working well?

Speaker 12 (01:26:42):
It's working to a certain extent. There are things that
China can do to protect itself from these tariffs and
also not just tarists, but from the blacklists that America
has put in Chinese companies. On companies like Welway. For example,
they're not allowed to sport their chips to the US.

(01:27:02):
Navidia is not allowed to sell its chips into China.
So there are certain things that China is good at.
So it needs to catch up. On semiconductors, it's nowhere
near as advanced as the US, but it is catching up.
It's taken the lead in certain areas. The electric vehicles
stands out really. They are the world leader now in

(01:27:25):
electric cars and they have stolen a big march. We
just saw in the data yesterday that BYD now sells
more cars electric vehicles into Europe than Tesla does, so
they are really doing very well. Green energy is another
area where China is doing good at. But there are
still plenty of areas where it needs to sort of

(01:27:47):
catch up, and it needs to modernize and it needs
to become self sufficient. But it's certainly making the right
steps and doing the right things to try.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
And get there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Festiner thing, Steff, Peter, thanks very much, look after yourself.
We'll talk to you week. That's Peter Lewis, our Asia
Business correspondent, nineteen away from seven the Dust. By the way,
there are more allegations against jevn mcskimming, the former Deputy
Commissioner of the Police who resigned. These ones are that
he acted inappropriately in relation to the vetting process for
firearms licenses. The police have confirmed yep, they've had those allegations.

(01:28:20):
They've been looking into them, been aware of them since March.
Linda Clark, Jeff mcskimmings lawyers, says he strongly denies any
allegation he acted in any way inappropriately. So there you go,
So get a load of this, Okay, this is a
great example I think of what good policing and good
community can do. So there's a street in Parmeston North
called Ada Street. It's probably famous in Palmerston North for

(01:28:41):
being a bit wild, this says, but nuts by the way.
It held the record a couple of years ago of
being the most fire prone street in New Zealand. Most
of the fires that happened in Parmeston North that year
happened on Adas Street. There were forty two fires and
one year forty two. Like, think about how many fires
you had on your street last year or twenty twenty three,

(01:29:02):
they had forty two. You know, ninety five percent of
them were deliberately lit. It's not The only problem that
they had on Adas Street they had some fly tipping
going on. The humans that lived there just sucked because
when the firefighters came to put out the fires, they
just throw bottles at the firefighters. So they were winners,
weren't they cops were being called heaps. In one year,
the cops were called two hundred and nineteen times on

(01:29:24):
Ada Street. Anyway, in April last year, the authorities thought, geez,
we're gonna have to do something about this. So they
got council together, and they got the police together, and
fens and the Safety Advisory Board and corrections and horizons Horizons,
the regional council got all the staff together put on
a barbecue for the reason. I know you're thinking, what's this,
We'll wait for it. Okay, it worked. They put on

(01:29:46):
a barbecue and I think the thing cost them about
one thousand dollars or thereabouts. They talked to the residents
about their visions for what the street could be like,
and then they contacted landlords and the property owners, and
they put up signs reminding people that they were in
an alcohol bank. I feel like they've got to change
attendants as well. Kicked out some people who were just
obviously up to no good and got some families and
instead advertised the fines for illegal dumping, advertised put up

(01:30:11):
traffic cameras, trim the street trees so that, you know,
you could see a little bit better, improve the invisibility
and stuff like that. And then the police and the
fire staff and the council stuff made a point of
walking and driving up and down the street to remain visible,
you know, just a bit of presence and stuff like that.
A year on from that, that was April last year.
A year on from that, where are we at now?

(01:30:32):
Only two street fires? A only two? Well done, hater,
that's down from forty two. That's not bad. Police call
outs are down sixty three percent. They have saved themselves
for that one thousand dollar barbecue and all the associated
costs of trimming the trees and blah blah blah. They
have them saved themselves at least sixty thousand dollars worth
of intentional damage. That's that is good, isn't it. That's

(01:30:54):
an investment in a problem area where they've gone. You know,
what what we need to do is get a bit
of community going on here, a bit of a police presence,
and it's totally changed the way. Well, I mean there's
still two fires. Somebody's still up to know good, but
it's hell a lot better than it was sixteen away
from seven.

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Speaker 9 (01:31:20):
These talks d be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Heather. Ada Street is the student street, it's the kin
to castle. The fires couches. Well, it can't be houses
because if it was forty two house fires, hopeless to
be burned down by now thirteen away from seven. Gavin Grays,
our UK correspondent with US right now, Hey, Gavin, II there, Okay,
So it's really all on like in a verbal fights
between the Israeli government and the UK government, isn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:31:45):
It has become pretty much like that Hather at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:31:47):
First of all, Israel's foreign minister accused European countries of incitement.
This after the killing of two staff members from the
Israeli embassy in Washington, d C. Now why was he
saying incitement? Well because shortly before, about twenty four hours
before the pair were killed, the UK had put out
a joint statement with France and Canada criticizing Israel's approaching

(01:32:11):
guards and of course what many are saying is going
to be a catastrophic famine there, that Israel's tactics are
completely wrong. Well, then the Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminetnia who
said the British Prime Minister Sakirstanri's on the wrong side
of humanity. He said in a video in English that

(01:32:33):
when mass murderers, rapists, baby killers and kidnappers, thank you,
you're on the wrong side of justice, You're on the
wrong side of history. Now, the UK hasn't directly really
responded to that accusation, but in France they've absolutely spat
back saying this.

Speaker 9 (01:32:48):
Is just not true.

Speaker 28 (01:32:50):
It is not the reason these two were killed instead
of how dare you?

Speaker 9 (01:32:53):
But there's no doubt.

Speaker 28 (01:32:54):
Relations pretty low this after the trade discussions were suddenly
halted and also the ambassadors were called in in order
to discuss what is going on in Gaza. So this
Prime minister certainly having a big round, a big spat
here with Bena Mignette Lyoho, Kevin, how's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
This news gone down of chemical castration?

Speaker 28 (01:33:14):
Yeah, very interesting this and it has been a debate
for a while, and there's been a pilot project here
in the UK.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
So, first of all, some figures for you.

Speaker 28 (01:33:24):
In different tests, one group of sex offenders who'd been
chemically castrated with comparing it with another group who had not,
found that reoffending rates were sixty percent lower among the
group have been chemically castrated. So in pilot projects this
is found to have been pretty good, not conclusively, but

(01:33:45):
pretty good at working. In Germany and Denmark, the use
of chemical suppression has been administered on a voluntary basis.
In other words, prisoners have been offered this if they
are there for a sex crime. In Poland, though it's
mandatory for some sex offenders now the UK currently has
a trial going on in Southwest England and they are

(01:34:06):
now expanding that trial to cover some twenty prisons in England.
What happens is a prisoner from a particular group set
of serious offenses, serious sexual offenses, sometimes repeat offending, is
offered this particular option. It is chemical castration, delivered through

(01:34:26):
two drugs. A selective serotonin A reuptake inhibitor is one
of them that is thought to limit sexual thoughts. Anti
Androgens are also administered, they reduce the production of testosterone
and limit libido and so far, Yeah, these figures are
pretty good. But you know, it is mandatory in a
couple of places, and indeed in California if it's a

(01:34:49):
second time sex offender. But I think it's going to
be very difficult here in the UK to make it mandatory.
And already many doctors groups saying we would not compulsorily
give somebody these drugs if that you know, they didn't
want them.

Speaker 9 (01:35:02):
Why not.

Speaker 28 (01:35:04):
Yeah, well they're saying it's down to sort of morals
on the code of a doctor, etc. Others are saying, well,
hang on a minute. You know, these people are going
out and doing the most horrific crimes, some of them,
so surely this is a sensible way of doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
It's painless, so it.

Speaker 28 (01:35:18):
Would seem to be good, particularly incidentally, of course, when
prisons in this country are so full they're having to
release people early.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Interesting. Gavin, thanks very much, really appreciate that, and have
yourself a lovely weekend. That's Kevin Gray, our UK corresponding, Yeah,
you know what this will be that it will be
a question of where you sit on which right you
are prepared to infringe upon right because it's your right.
It's anyone's right to refuse medical treatment. But it is
also so for the offender. It's their right to say no,

(01:35:46):
I don't want to take that medicine. You can't force
me to. And it's whether you think that is important enough,
or whether you think it is more important that the
person that they have sexually offended against has the right
to not be sexually offended against. Because and I would
come down on the side I think if I was
ever asked by a jury to decide something like this,
if I was on the jury, I'd say no, give

(01:36:07):
them the medicine, give them the chemical castration, because already,
if you sexually offend against somebody, I'm infringing on your
liberties anyway, I'm chucking you in prison. That it's your
right to be free to move right until I say right,
you've done a bad thing off, you go to jail,
So I'm going to do the same thing. You've done
a bad thing off. You go to eat pills, Go
get them, eat them, yung yng yam enjoy. Then you
can stop doing that nonsense from the budget yesterday. Guess

(01:36:29):
how By the way, I think if this went to
the public in the UK, I suspect the public would
strongly support it, which is why Labor is flying that flag.
See how that goes? Flying that little kite from the
budget yesterday. Guess how much it's costing us to fix
that duval situation with the statutory managers? Two point three
million dollars already and this budget has put in another

(01:36:50):
half a million dollars. So what's that going to be?
Two point eighty five just to sort out the messes
to these This pair rather have allegedly created eight away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
It's the Heather Tiplice Allan Drive full show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Hither if the patient is sectioned under the Mental Health Act,
they lose the right to reject medication. That's from Graham. Okay,
here's another one. Okay, this is sleep tips from the
Sydney Morning Herald. The most common cause of insomnia is
basically things you haven't worked through the day, So the
things that cause you anxiety and stress throughout the day,
and you basically have to try and figure out a
way if you're getting insomnia, to keep your mind off itself.

(01:37:30):
So the first thing you should do is meditation, and
the next thing you should do is what's called a
body scan, which is that you relax as you focus
on each part of your body from head to toe.
I find the body scams just unbelievably boring, don't you,
Because I think that I've dealt with that part of
the body, but then I haven't. I had. The body
scan never works for me anyway. But you try it,
and if you don't like the sound of that, then
you try box breathing, which is you inhale for five seconds.

(01:37:53):
Oh obviously that was one second. You inhale for five seconds,
and then you hold it for five seconds, and then
you exhale for eight cents. And then if you don't
like that, the other thing you could do is take
your This is what I do. Take yourself on a
mental walk down the street in four K hype vivid detail.
Do not count sheep, Heather says a text apropos the
first one, ain't I gave you? The first tip I
gave you on sleeping. I found a great tip for sleeping.

(01:38:16):
My mind goes over and over during the day, but
this has worked. You shut your eyes obviously, Thank you.
You shunt your eyes obviously, and then in your mind
you say one word like love, and then in your
thoughts you think of at least two words for l
and then two words for and this is is this
not exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
Yeah, yeah you You have definitely sprewed this one before.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
I did this one about three or four weeks ago,
and it does work. I feel like I've said it
out and now you've texted back to me like you'd
like you've taken it as your own. But anyway, whatever,
at least it's working.

Speaker 10 (01:38:48):
So it goes to Show and Bloodline by Alex Warren
and Jelly Roll to class out tonight. This is brand spanking.
You only came out a few hours ago. At this point,
Usually I'd say yeah, yeah, News Talks, it'd be will
always be your home for the newest country music. But unfortunately,
I've checked with the Boss and apparently the song has
actually been playing on iHeart Country and Z ever since
it came out. So if you want to listen to
country music, you should probably go there first. But we're second.

(01:39:09):
I reckon you talking to the new country music. I'll
play it on a Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
You just did this so that you could claim credit
for promoting another show.

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
Well yeah, and then getting your pay right, well exactly,
And I called the boss to double check the song
was in there, so he definitely knows that I'm going
to do it as well. So yeah, I thought I
was pretty clever there.

Speaker 16 (01:39:26):
What a grazier.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Very good from you, and hey, enjoy your weekend, enjoy
your sport, and we go go Auckland Live, see go
the Warriors. We'll see you on Monday.

Speaker 20 (01:40:00):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
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