Full Show Podcast: 23 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're going to
catch up at the Primary Teachers' Union on the Mega strike,
the Independent Children's Monitor on the fact that abuse and
state care numbers are on the rise, and Trump's just
blown up a drug boat and our part of the
world for the Pacific, So we'll have a chat to
Al Gilluespie about that.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Heather duplicy Ellen, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Don't know about this, but it feels to me a
little bit like this Mega strike has turned into something
of a fizzer. It was supposed to be huge. We're
supposed to be one hundred thousand workers walking off the
job and going on rallies like we haven't seen since
the nineteen seventy nine General strike. And it looks there
are definitely big numbers and parts of the country. But
what's actually happened is the weather right, which means the
rallies have been canceled and more importantly, well at least

(00:58):
some of the rallies have been canceled, but much more
importantly the rally outside Parliament has been canceled. That's the biggie. Really,
no other rally actually matters if you can't rally outside
Parliament right in front of the faces of the politicians,
but also, arguably more importantly, the press gallery, because that's
really what this is about. It is about getting those

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pictures on Tally. You want hundreds of thousands of people
there with their placards being on Tally. Now there are
going to be some pictures on Taly because there's a
reasonable demonstration that's happened in Auckland and other parts of
the country, Hamilton and so on, but it's not going
to be nearly as compelling, and especially not when Tally
is going to be leading with all of the weather
pictures about with what's going on around the country at
the moment. Plus they've also got the coverage of Jim

(01:39):
Bolge's funeral. So I can't help but wonder if this
has just had the fizz taken out of it somewhat.
And I also can't help but wonder if scheduling the
mega strike for the Thursday before a long weekend was
a little bit of a mistake because, from the looks
of things, instead of making a whole bunch of parents angry,
she's given a whole bunch of parents an excuse to
take off today and tomorrow and then go on an
even longer weekend, which hardly anyone's going to complain about,

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given this is the first long weekend after a long winter,
so we all feel like we probably deserve it, right
And by the way, making parents angry and patients angry
is the point of the strike. The unions will say
that's not the point of the strike, but it actually is,
because you're supposed to be angry, and then you're supposed
to direct your anger at the government, so the government

(02:22):
feels the heat, capitulates and then ups the payoffers for
the unions. And this is the thing that I think
is missing. I don't think people are that angry. People
are just going on a longer, long weekend. Plus also,
I wonder if the unions have forgotten to factor in
the COVID experience, right, we have looked after our kids
at home for such a long time during COVID and
lockdowns that really it's going to take a lot to

(02:44):
set us off right, because we've got the training in there.
But this then begs the question, right, if the anger
part is missing, are the unions going to go back
to the negotiating table after the strike now that they've
got it out of their systems? Or are they going
to keep going to make us properly angry? And if so,
how many mega strikes does it take to make parents
and patients properly angry? And how many are they prepared

(03:05):
to do? Because this one I don't think has made
us angry right now. I think we're either too busy
dealing with bad weather or too busy trying to get
to the batch together.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Do for c Ellens.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Nine two ninety who's the text understandard text? Fee is
a player? You can tell me if I'm completely off
the mark on this or bang on, and I'm happy
to hear it either way. Now, as if ozempic could
not be any more of a miracle drug, turns out
there's more to it. It has now been found to reduce
the risk of strokes and heart attacks by twenty percent,
and this is even in patients who are not severely
overweight to start with. This comes from a study by

(03:39):
the University College Auckland and is prompted a London rather
and is prompting suggestions that the drug should not be
restricted to only obese people. Peter Shepherd is a molecular
medicine professor at Auckland University and an expert in diabetes
and obesity and with us Hi Peter Hi Heather, this
is something of a wonder drug, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
It's a pretty good one. A zempic and mglutide, which
is the active ingredient, is doing amazing things.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay, now, how do you explain this that it drops
this risk back in people who are not fat to
the eye.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, a zembic does or semic glutide does a whole
range of things in our body apart from just controlling weight.
And we know that because it was originally developed as
a diabetes drug, and so even before it was showing
weight loss effects, it was controlling diabetes. So the effects
on the heart disease are partly through weight loss, but
there's clearly some other things happening that are slowing down

(04:34):
the rate of various aspects of heart disease.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Do we know what those other things are?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Well, we know a few of them, and we know
a bit about how it affects heart tissue growth, we
know a bit about some of the positive effects it
has on the deposition of lipids, but there's still a
long way to go to fully understand its effects, and
more research will be needed.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
How is this working so well for us as humans?
Is it replacing something that we do not have enough
of in our body?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
So.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
All it is is a hormone that's been engineered to
last longer in the body. Normally, in our body, this
horman called GLP one gets broken down really quickly by
our body. And what we've done, or what the drug
companies have done here is make it hang around longer
and work longer and replace the effects of that hormone

(05:22):
in our body.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
So with regards to weight loss, you only lose the
weight as long as you're taking the drug, and the
minute that you stop taking the drug, the research shows
you start to put it back on again and within
a couple of years you back to where you were beforehand.
Is the same true of all these other risks.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
We actually don't know whether there will be a reversal
of the beneficial effects on cardiovascular disease and on kidney disease.
No doubt they'll persist for quite a while, but whether
they are fully been reversed, we just don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
More time will tell.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Peter, I love the sound of this, but I am
reluctant to get myself too enthusiastic because it sounds like
it's a hideous thing to take.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
You think, well, it's not too bad, I mean compared
to a lot of the consequences that you would otherwise
have for most people. There are some people who have
side effects with it and go off and won't take
it any longer, but there are others who really don't.
So it depends, you know. I think when the future,
what we're going to find is that this will benefit

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some people more than others. There'll be some people, for
whatever reason, whether it's their genetics or whatever, that respond
well to the drug and it will be useful for
them and others who don't. I mean, we know in
the obeste side that some people respond incredibly well to
ozempic and others respond virtually not at all. So I

(06:41):
would take it. I probably need to take it, really.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Okay, So I had a baby in January and I
wouldn't mind shredding for summer. Do you reckon? I should?
Shall I start now and then see how I look
on Christmas Day?

Speaker 5 (06:54):
I think you should discuss that with your own GP.
I can't write your prescription right on the point.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Now you were my mate, Peter, and we were just
having a bigger in the back garden, what would you say?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I would say that that it's it's a good drug
that does many good things and for people who who
will truly benefit from it, it is a good way
to go. And I think in the future we're going
to see a lot wider use of this drug, especially
as the price comes down and things like you know,
our government system can afford afford this are We're going
to see much wider roll out of this type of drug.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
So, yeah, Peter, thank you. Hope that helps.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Absolutely it does. Thank you. I'm just going to say
Peter said it's fine. Peter Sheppard, molecular medicine professor at
University of All Class, Hey, what I am slightly tempted.
I am tempted a because you know what it's like
after you have a baby. It's not like you're you're
not like suddenly a Heffer lump or like a lado
or anything like that. But you just, yeah, you could.

(07:49):
You could fit your trousers a little bit better, couldn't you?
So what do you reckon? Should I do it? Should
I do it? Should I go get some of the
pharmacy this weekend and have a jab and see how
we got Because it takes a few weeks, I reckon
I could be in fit shape by the time summer
rolls around. I'm going to think about this actually for
the duration of the show. We'll make a decision by
the end of it. Quarter pass four. By the way,
quick update on the weather situation. Heaps of destruction around

(08:10):
the place, especially the South Islands, still getting hit by
those very strong wins. Here's the Canterbury District Commander, Superintendent
Tony Hill.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
We've still got a way to go on this.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
So if you do not need to travel somewhere, then
please don't. If you've made plans to travel tomorrow to
holiday destinations, please check first before you hit the roads
to make sure those locations are open to you. There's
a lot of work that needs to be done to
get some of those roads open and to get power
back into those areas.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
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Speaker 1 (08:41):
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Speaker 4 (08:48):
Hither you'll bang on about the unions. Hither I'm annoyed
at the unions, not at the government. Eighteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
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Speaker 4 (08:58):
Elliot's with Sports Talk Hoosters with behind.

Speaker 8 (09:00):
Why Heather, Sorry, I'm just enjoying a conversation about ozempic
in we go visit Heather.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Don't take the pills from Richard, go for a run
and go to the gym. Hither, don't do it. These
products are designed for people who are morbidly obese and
can't lose weight. Hither, just go on the Carnival diet.
It burns fat fast.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
Do you know what I was googled? Is ozempic a
banned substance? Or is in sport?

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 4 (09:20):
What do you think?

Speaker 8 (09:21):
And Wader is monitoring it this year, so they're keeping
an eye on it.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I think say very slow power. Well, they're just looking
for any reason to have more power over something.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
Sorry, they're power hungry.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Now, aren't they. It'll be interesting to see how that goes. Actually,
because I mean it shouldn't be banned, should it? Because
all it does is it basically makes you lose mustle weight.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
No, but when you think about Shane warn Rop who
took that diarretic that supposedly his mum gave him and
he lost all that weight, that water weight that he'd
been carried. Oh, and that was a banned substance.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
But you can see how losing well, you can see
why losing water weight is important because if you need
to get under a weight thing, a threshold for boxing
or whatever other sport, and I suppose you could say
ozempic would be the same.

Speaker 8 (09:58):
Would probably be the same weight fast. I haven't heard
of any sports people doing it as yet, but maybe
overseas that had been too smart, possibly and they know
it's likely to be banned probably at some point, because
everything's banned.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
I don't want to make themselves chuck up over nothing. Okay. Listen,
Jason Holland, now he is going to leave the All Blacks.

Speaker 8 (10:14):
Why his contract is up after the season and he
decided not to seek a contract renewal is what we're
hearing today. He was on a two year contract extension.
Scott Robinson's on a four year contract deal at the moment,
so it would have been something that would have been
coming up in the coming weeks that they would have
been talking about this. But he's decided to front foot

(10:37):
it and say I don't want to contract renewal. So
if he wanted to stay on, I'm sure he would
have been seeking one. It clearly says that he doesn't
want to be part of this environment.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Okay, So either he's unhappy or he's not very good.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
Or he wouldn't didn't think he was going to get
a contract renewal. Of the two, do you think I
suspect that the pressure would have been on from Scott
robertson to maybe make some changes to the coaching environment
regardless of how this interview tour goes, and maybe Jason
Hallan felt you like he wouldn't be in a good
position to stick around togetherware enough, Okay, now.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Tell me how to pronounce this woman's name, the number
twenty seven, Marta Kostchuk Okay, So, Marta Costjuk says that
she can't beat the number one and the number two
in the women's game because they have more testosterone than
her and it's kicked things off of her.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, she's will number twenty seven.
It's an interesting excuse. I suppose you put that in
front and go, here's why I can't win. Here's why
I can't get higher than twenty seven in the world
because all the top players have got testosterone and more
than I. Actually, she was trying to say that everyone's
got their own biological structure, and some people have got
highed and some people got loge. She says she's got
to cover more areas of the court because these players

(11:37):
have got more testosterone. But if you are Egis Fiontek
or Arena Sabalinka hearing this from a fellow player on tour,
what's your reaction going to be in the dressing room
next time you see it? Especially with absolutely you've got
the guns. It's quite clear that you've got the power,
and that basically says why they're better than her. So
it hasn't gone down particularly well in the world of tennis,

(11:58):
people saying this is basically an ex because you are
well number twenty seven and you're just not that good
to basically try and say all, this is why I
can't advance. They've got too much testosterone.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
How do you know if a woman has got more
testosterone than you, can you see it? Do you know
what I mean? Like you can see that?

Speaker 6 (12:15):
What?

Speaker 9 (12:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
My laughing at me? I know why he's laughing at me.
But you can see when a woman is taller than you, yes,
or when a woman is broad at the air. But
how could you possibly?

Speaker 8 (12:23):
I don't think he can't tell. You can't tell.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
No, I wouldn't have thought, so, okay, maybe can I
don't know, how would you, Elliott?

Speaker 8 (12:31):
I don't know. Let's move on.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Ask Elliot this when he's back tonight for Sports Talk
at seven o'clock. Thanks Elliott Elliott Smith for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Hard questions, strong opinion here the dupas Ellen drive with
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Speaker 2 (12:49):
It'd be hither.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I was a union negotiator in days past, and the
prevailing wisdom was that it was the threat, not the
strike that wins, because once you strike, you have lost.
That's a really interesting perspective from good insight there. One
But by the way, one protester did turn up at Parliament.
It was a teacher from way Nuiamata who was out
there by herself braving the gale force winds and the

(13:11):
miserable rain, you know, like snuggled up in her little
rain jacket and so on. But as you would exactly expect,
she turned up with a Confederation of the Tribes of
New Zealand flag, just to underscore once again that these
people don't actually know what they're striking for. They're just
striking for everything. So just turn up with an EWI
flag and explain to us how that has anything to
do with education. Four twenty five, Heather, I'm on with GOVI.

(13:34):
It's amazing, no side effects. Nine cag's down in three months.
Try it here, the go for it. It's brilliant results.
I dropped the pesky ten CAGs in a couple of months.
They were stumbling, stubbornly clinging on despite all the diet
and the exercise in the world. And now I'm in
great shape and I'm feeling feeling dirty as okay, Vanessa,
glad you're feeling dirty as hither. I've been on it

(13:56):
for three months, I've lost eight cages Neil exercise other
than walking, minimal side effects to it. Oh you know
what Bettie said to me, She was like, you can't
just get into the pharmacy and Dylan, so you've got
to go to the duct defers and get a prescription. Okay, whatever,
trying to put obstacles. I might, I might do it.
I'm going to I'll see how I feel over the well. No,
I did say I'm going to make a decision by
the end of the show, so I will, and then
I just got to do the admin. Now, listen, Andrew,

(14:17):
Prince Andrew. As expected, this thing is now starting to
hurt the Royal family in a significant way because there
are now allegations that MP's had tried to find out
about twenty years ago how much rent he was paying
for the Royal Lodge, and the Royal family blocked those efforts.
So this is from a former Labour mp ian Davidson,
who investigates, or rather instigated a Select Committee inquiry in

(14:39):
two thousand and five. He's now piped up and said,
we found it very difficult to get any straight answers
at all about the financial arrangements surrounding Prince Andrew's accommodation.
We kept being misdirected and were simply flat refused details. Well,
now we know why the Royals tried to shut that down.
Is because he pays basically nothing in rent and the
place should be earning about half a million pounds a year.

(15:00):
And this is why the Royals needed to strip him
of his titles like properly a long time ago, because
now they're getting dragged into it questions of being asked
about their behavior anyway, And that's not even to mention
the millions of like it was a twelve million pounds
he paid Virginia Jupray and now there are questions as
to whether the Queen actually gave him the money to
pay Virginia Deuphray so that her celebrations would be unaffected

(15:20):
by the allegations anyway, Into Brady will be of US
as usual. On Thursday at quarter to seven, News is next.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
Like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
They'd be left.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
So dom comfort mowing up the drug boats has got
a little closer home. We're not talking about Venezuela anymore.
He's just done it in the Pacific now, so the
US has done a drone strike on what they say
was a speedboat which was carrying drugs along a known
trafficking route and they've killed two people doing that. Now,
the question I have for you is, do you like
Donald Trump shooting up a drug boat in the Pacific

(16:17):
because it's taken out some drugs in our part of
the world and you know that our part of the
world is really struggling with the drug trafficking at the moment.
Or do you not like it because there is the
chance that the US hits a boat that actually is
the wrong boat one day and it's not a drug
boat at all. Ol Gillespie's going to be with us
in about an hour's time. Why a couple of university
law professors to talk us through it. But I wouldn't
mind hearing what you think about it, Heather, This is

(16:39):
from a teacher. Would you be happy to give up
eight days of your holidays and be called back into work? Seriously,
give us the CPI increases, show us some respect to
sort out the support for all the kids on the spectrum,
and don't mess with our holidays now.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I don't know how that's going to go down with
parents because being called back for eight days, right, So
what's that one and a half weeks out of how
many holidays. These are holidays we paid for by the
way teachers have paid for these holidays. And how many
holidays is it twelve weeks of holidays, three months of holidays?
You don't want to give up eight days. I think
it's perfectly reasonable to be expected to come back for

(17:16):
eight days, because the alternative is you're doing it during
term time, and that's not cool. Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's the world wires on youth dogs. It'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
So Donald Trump has had a meeting with one of
his biggest fans, NATO's security General Mark Rota.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
When the President called me in July and said we
want to again send weapons into Ukraine, paid for by
our allies, the Canadians and the Europeans, that was an
important moment. I'm not going to comment on out to tomahawks,
but but it comes to the US and all the
support for you Craine. It is there and it is
close to the President's heart. And I noticed.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
And Trump has also announced new sanctions on Russian oil companies.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
He's a tremendous sanctions.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
He's a very big there's against their two big oil companies.

Speaker 11 (17:56):
And we hope that they won't be on for long.

Speaker 9 (17:58):
We hope that war will be saddled.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
And the Vice President J. D Vance has also had
a meeting. He's met with Prime Minister Benjaminette Yahoo and
Israel and they're both very optimistic about the Gaza Seaspire,
having seen it's.

Speaker 12 (18:10):
Hardy been built in just the past seventies.

Speaker 13 (18:12):
I think that we're on an incredible pathway here, something
that has never been done.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
And finally, over in Spain have arrested seven people on
suspicion of stealing more than a thousand chairs. The police
alleged that the group worked as a gang of thieves,
making unattended chairs from outside restaurants in and around Madrid.
And if you're wondering why anyone would do this, apparently
the gang's total chair hall had a combined street value

(18:38):
of around one hundred and twenty thousand New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
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Speaker 4 (18:47):
Murriol's Australia correspondents. So that's hell in us.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Very good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
So how much is elbow costing new people?

Speaker 14 (18:55):
Well, we're not we're not.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
We're not, but it's going to be an eye watering
amount of money. Good question.

Speaker 14 (19:04):
I mean, he's home after a much much better expected
meeting than even he would have hoped there for with
Donald Trump, there's the rare Earth deal to mine and
partially process these products here with US and Australian government support,
plus of course the private sectors involved.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
And Trump gave very enthusiastic backing for the Orcus submarine
project and didn't bully Australia into boosting defense spending. He
also declared that Elbow was his best complete confidence in
Albanezi and in Australia. But very good question of yours
at what cost? No idea year about yet about rare earths.

(19:43):
The deal itself eight and a half billion dollars, but
how much will taxpayers contribute? Plus news court papers over
here Heather are reporting today that the Australian Defense Department
has been told to pay for Orcas. These submarines are
nearly four hundred billion dollars. To pay for these, we
have to cut maintenance on existing Australian Defense force, things

(20:05):
like aircraft, things like ships, delay projects, cut as much
as possible from the workforce, budget even cut the flying
hours of the Air Force. I mean there's no surprise here.
I mean all the cash is being plowed into the
submarine program. But still on the books head that an
Australian Defense Force mandarins have got a dreadful track record.

(20:26):
Here is the latest one. The Navy's buying new frigates
at the cost of six billion dollars a ship. That's
four times the cost of an off the shelf identical
boat out of America. But each Australian ship has got
to have special Australian tweaks, you know, they have to
have company of bunks or whatever. Nine billion dollars for
a frigate per boat.

Speaker 14 (20:48):
Now, this is the sort of stuff that's extravaganst, the
wasist that people are howling about, and it's only going
to get worse.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Now, I see Susan Lee has finally come to her
in censors and she doesn't want Kevin Ruddson.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (21:02):
Well, I mean they fell on I mean, look, Donald
Trump gave Kevin run a backhander in the White House
beating all pretty funny. The opposition here fell on that
like a starving dog on a bone. I swear to
God Susan Lee couldn't oh howling howling for Rud to resign,
to be sacked, But within twenty four hours she was
being publicly contradicted by another liberal woman, one who.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Lee sacked herself.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
Put it down the back bench because this woman backed
Peter Dutton. And then another front bench has come out
trying to hose down the opposition criticism, saying it would
be ideal to have an ambassador who hasn't previously attacked
the president but appointedly that person did not call for
Rudd's removal. Just another case of the opposition not knowing

(21:46):
which day of the week it is.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
It's just dreadful mus listener.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
How do you get buried with your pets? Which one
of you goes first and which one gets put down
to go with the other one?

Speaker 14 (21:56):
Well, look, love my dog dearly, but I'm not sure
the dog would be of supervising my funeral. And they're
hopping in after me. It's going to be the other
way around. And I didn't even know this was the thing.
It's apparently been in New South Wales for many, many years.
You can have your pet, obviously the pet will die first.
The pets interred in the plot, you've bought and then

(22:18):
you hop in afterwards. Right now, down to Victoria, there's
a woman who's an MP in the State Parliament with
the Animal Justice Party and she's been jumping up. Now
it's outrageous. We haven't got similar laws in Victoria. This woman,
by the way, he has got about twenty seven pets.
She's got a donkey, you know, sundry cats multiple months,
she's got snakes and birds and all sorts of twenty

(22:39):
seven pets. This woman's gone, so it's a buddy big
grave when she shuffles off. But in any event, the
new laws are going to be pasting Victoria. And if
you run a cemetery, why should the law say no?
I mean, it's perfectly safe and you know, it's hygienic
and all the.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Rest of it.

Speaker 14 (22:57):
Apparently in New Zealand, the Funeral Directors Association says there's
no reference to pets in the relevant.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Legislation, so it's generally considered illegal, but local government at
that level they made a side to exempt it.

Speaker 14 (23:09):
I mean, if you got wait, if you got a
little dashound or something, maybe it's a bit different with
a I don't know, a bloody great big Saint Bernard
or something. But if you're going to hop into the
grave with a little, you know, a sausage dog, who's
going to be upset with that.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
No one really has a very good point that you make.
Must thank you. Marry Old's Australia corresponded, I thought I
went to a dark place. I thought that you would
like you'd put the pet like you would basically leave
in your well, that if you died, then your pet
had to be killed and buried like at the same
time as you. I'm glad Muzz cleared that up seventeen
away from.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Five, Heather, duper.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
If it wasn't a good day for Madame m Davidson yesterday,
Barry will tell us all about that when he's with
us in a text. She should be embarrassed about that.
Here that yep, Trump, go Trump, blow them up. Hither
I love Trumpy blowing up the boat. Anything that reduced
the drugs as good. Yep, thanks Donald Trump. Any help
is appreciated. Yep, Hither I love the strikes on the
love How the our filmed and post had been four
or five of these been absolutely blown out of the water. Heather.

(24:05):
Of course you meant to say the alleged drug boat
unless there was a trial that they didn't mention, which
is the very point of the thing, isn't it is
that without any without any natural justice there, they're just
being blown out of I'm not yeah, I mean you know,
I'm in two minds about this. How sorry I am
am I rare for them really anyway? Yeah, Alger Lily

(24:26):
Spiel talk us through that shortly and as I say,
Vario Soapers with us next newstiks.

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Speaker 4 (24:34):
Very Soper, Senior political correspondence with US Hallo Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.
Yes you've been churning into Jim Bolder's funeral.

Speaker 15 (24:40):
Yes I have. I would have liked to have been there,
but the chaos around the country at the moment. It
was interesting that initially it was going to be at
the Why Can't I Catholic Church, which is the church
that he's gone to for a number of years. But
I moved it to part of Pahom because in fact
that's a bigger church. So the church was full. It

(25:00):
takes about five hundred people, and a couple hundred were outside.
A lot of people thy were prevented from going because
the Wellington Airport was closed, and much was made.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Of him during the.

Speaker 15 (25:15):
Eulogies about him leaving school in the fourth form at fifteen,
which was pretty extraordinary when you consider he went and
worked on the farm and became prime minister. The Prime
Minister Chris Luxeon he led off the tributes to Jim Bolger,
saying what many have about his legacy, and he was
followed by the man who served as his deputy, Don McKinnon.

(25:37):
Here they are.

Speaker 16 (25:38):
He liked to talk, he liked to dram or two
and he was true to his values. But it's his
leadership as Prime Minister that created Jim's enduring political legacy.
Jim himself was a reformer and he said it was
his Irish heritage that helped him understand mary grievance over
treaty breaches. It was groundbreaking work and it was not
always easy politics really is. First came the settlement with Tainui. Then,

(26:02):
in nineteen ninety six, an election year with public pushback
against the treaty process, Nahoo settlement pending. With polling tight,
national began to waver, but Jim held firm. He knew
the settlements were the right thing to do, and New
Zealand is a better place for it and for Jim's
moral certainty. And every government since has walked on the

(26:23):
footprints of Jim, and so Doug Graham and the team
left behind.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Jim would love this turnout.

Speaker 10 (26:31):
My thanks to the Bulger family, all of them, five
rows of them. I think to see them all here today,
And thank you Joan for inviting me to say a
few words. It was to be on behalf of caucus colleagues.

(26:51):
Well over the time there were about one hundred caucus colleagues,
so I can guarantee you there are a hundred different
views of Jim Bulger. Luckily you'll get one view today.
Others will have no right of reply.

Speaker 15 (27:08):
And that's true. Dom Quinnan was right, of course. The
Caucus in the end in nineteen ninety seven moved against
Jim Boulger, who was replaced, of course by Jenny Shipley,
who became the first female Prime minister in New Zealand.
Joan Boulger was in many ways at Jim's strength, and
that was a parent and the accolade paid to by

(27:31):
his daughter Bernadette, the fifth of his nine children.

Speaker 17 (27:34):
Dad came from a loving family and he created a
loving family. It was his greatest achievement. Admittedly, I would
say that we've heard a lot about Dad's impressive and
full life today. It's humbling and we're so proud of him.
But none of it would have been possible without Mum.
One day last week, Mum had just got home after
spending twelve hours at the hospital with Dad. Her phone

(27:57):
ring It was Dad asking if she wanted to go
back in.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Because he missed it.

Speaker 17 (28:02):
It was a phenomenal partnership to the very end.

Speaker 15 (28:06):
Incredible, wasn't it. And you know Joan Bolgo was course
on the front row today and she would have been
proud of the way I think. Well, the things that
were said about her husband, I would imagine.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
So listen at Parliament. How much of a stuff up
was this from Madimer Davidson.

Speaker 15 (28:22):
Well significant actually because it was a bill and if
you've got a bill that was coming up for its
second reading, if you've got a bill, you've got to
be there at the beginning when it's called. Well she wasn't.
She said she missed it by twenty second. Well it's
twenty seconds. Well it may be the case, but you've
got to be.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
There on that. That's true because from the moment that
it was called to one of the NAT MP's pointing
out she wasn't there. To the speaker then considering what
to do about it, way more than twenty seconds had.

Speaker 15 (28:52):
Lapsed, she says twenty second. But you know, the point
is that if you've got a bill going through Parliament
as this one was, and it was the bill was
about repairs to equipment, the rights to repair, the rights
to repair equipment. Well, it was supported by the Maldi Party,
it was supported by the Labor Party, and it was

(29:14):
supported by New Zealand first, so it had the numbers.
Although it select committee they recommended that it go no
further and the government's got the majority it select committee.
But if those votes were held, as chances are, it
could have got through. She's lost it now, so all
that work has gone down.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
The gurgle that was so embarrassing It was drawn from
the Biscuit Tin, wasn't it. So it was a lot. Oh,
how embarrassing. Shame. Okay, what's going on with the nudity speaking.

Speaker 15 (29:41):
About the biscuit tin. Yeah, well it was Laura m McClure,
who's an act MP and she is welcoming the draw
that would criminalize non consensual sexually explicit deep fakes from
and that came out of the Biscuit tin so that
will now be read in Parliament. She says that she's

(30:04):
heard from many victims over the years and their lives
have been derailed by these deep fake Her images being
put out on the internet must be terrible. This was
Laura m McClure talking in the House about it in
Parliament last night.

Speaker 18 (30:20):
Parents, wake up, you guys need to get online yourselves
or check what your children are viewing online. You know,
there is a lot of advocacy groups out there doing
a lot of work. They're calling for regulation and there
may be a case for that, but parents need to
take some responsibility. It is not that hard to find

(30:41):
out what your kids are doing online. There are apps
available right now, free apps where you can monitor your
child's online activity because I can tell you right now
the things that they are seeing online are extremely damaging
and harmful.

Speaker 15 (30:55):
Didn't know about those apps?

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Oh, Barry, come on, everybody knows bout Good on Laura
calling out parents were being sloppy here. Thank you, Barry.
Appret it Barry Sober seeing your political correspondence seven away
from five.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (31:12):
How much of this is genuine grievance versus how much
of this is making a political statement against the government
they don't like.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
We'll put it this way.

Speaker 20 (31:19):
I don't think that there would be a member of
our cabinet who doesn't want to pay nurses, teachers, doctors
as much as possible. On the other hand, there seems
to be a disconnect between what some of these unions
and their union leadership are demanding versus the reality that
most New Zealanders, including those who have to pay the
taxes to fund these services, are actually facing making a

(31:40):
political point, and that I think is where a lot
of the frustration for people in the government.

Speaker 19 (31:45):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Hither I've been on the Wigovi jab. I've lost twenty
five cages. Honestly I cannot. And what's more, just join
New Zealand Dating and our meeting three chaps next week.
Good luck with us. It's busy week for you. I'm
given that it's only it's a short week as well.
I can't tell you how many texts are coming in
on as people love this stuff. Eh. Now it's four
away from five. There are a bunch of guys who
have launched away for people to buy into property, even

(32:13):
if they can't afford, you know, an entire property themselves.
It's like Chaer's He's for a house. It's called houses.
You can put as little as one hundred bucks and
then you can get your steak in residential property, get
returns from the rental income. I think you can even
apply if you own enough of the house, you can
even apply to move in as the tenant. They're going
to talk us through that in about twenty minutes time.
I think this is interesting. Okay, so the mega strikers

(32:34):
on today turned into a fizzer. As I said, we
gave Sarah Dalton from the Senior Doctors a call, right
because she's been one of the ones leading on this.
I no, she said, can't appear on the show tonight.
Going to be appearing at the ERA after five o'clock.
Still too busy, all right, We'll call Henry the Eighth
from the PBTA, Chris Abercrombie, he go, no, no, can't

(32:54):
do it, can't do it. Something has happened to the
house in Southland, so he's weather related, so he's busy
to that now. In both cases we were like, great, well,
have you got somebody else who can fill it. No,
So neither of those unions who've been leading the charge
on the Mega strike want to talk about the Mega strike.
Now they have good reasons, I would say for it,
but I just find it interesting. It's the biggest strike
in forty six years and they're not fronting on it.

(33:17):
So anyway, we're going to talk instead to the NZEI.
This is the primary teachers and they're with us. Next
News talksp.

Speaker 21 (33:22):
Oh, I get des in with my.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's Heather duplicl and drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
News Talks V.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Good afternoon. So we've had the biggest strike in forty
six years, with an estimated one hundred thousand workers walking
off the job today. Unfortunately for the teachers and the
doctors and the nurses and the prison staff and all
the other healthcare personnel striking, the weather's disrupted the rallies
and parts of the country. Now the NZEI is Liam
Rutherfitter is with us on this. Hey Liam talking again,

(33:59):
it's good to have you on the show mate. Does
turned them too a bit of a fizzle then, Oh,
definitely not.

Speaker 11 (34:04):
I mean we had one hundred thousand people delivering a
pretty loud, clear message. Although granted it would have been
nice to be on the floor Court of Parliament in Wellington,
but health and safety took precedent and it's been great
following all of the rallies that have happened around the country.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, I wonder if it's a bit of a fizzle
because the weather is obviously stopped the most important rally,
which is in Wellington, but also because I don't know
if you did the right thing doing it on the
Thursday before a long weekend, because a bunch of parents
have just taken a really long weekend now and aren't
too fussed about it.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (34:34):
Actually, I think we've been really heartened by the parents
support that we've had. I was in Palmiston North today
that we didn't have any rain, but we had a
lot of wind and the number of parents and kids
that were out there supporting us. We actually had a parent,
get up there and speak and talk about the importance
of having education and health funded to a level that's
actually meeting the needs of people. And so we were

(34:56):
quite heartened with how the days panned out.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Okay, so are you guys, is going to go back
to the negotiating table now that you've got this one
out of your system.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (35:05):
I think it's really clear that we get on the
record that we've never left the negotiating table. We had
three afternoons last week the primary teachers that trying to
get an offer out of the PSC, and we've got
dates to go back in the coming weeks as well.
And so we hope that the strike action is actually
going to put the pressure on the government because it's

(35:25):
the PSC that are in a bit of a in
a bit of a tight spot because they haven't been
given the tools and the resources to be able to
get the settled.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
How would this put pressure on the government.

Speaker 11 (35:38):
Well, what we're hearing out there is that the government
investing in education and health is something that's incredibly popular
in the eyes of voters, and so it was an
eye on the.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Election that's like asking do you want to be a billionaire?
Of course, we do, it is not possible. But because
what I'm saying to you is I don't think people
are angry enough to put pressure on the government.

Speaker 11 (35:59):
Yeah, but so what I'm saying is that the position
that we are in is because of the choices that
the government has made. Everybody does support more funding going
into education and health. But I think what people have
picked up on and where we do see the anger
coming from our communities is that they have prioritized giving
money to landlords and to tobacco tax cuts and the

(36:20):
highest income earners. People see that as an opportunity cost
for money that should be going into education and health.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Hey, so, how many more strikes are you prepared to do?

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (36:30):
Look, that'll be in the eyes of the members. At
this stage, we're really focused to getting back around the table.
We're hoping that the government is going to come to
the party and give the resourcing to the Public Service
Commission to get an offer that's going to land and
if we don't end up in that space, it'll be
up to members as to what they want to do next.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Okay, Liam, thanks so much for your time. Liam Rutherford
ends adi. That's the primary school teachers and principles. Lead negotiator.
I shout out to the health workers and Nelson who
was striking but then went back to Nelson Hospital to
help this morning and care for patients because the backup
generator failed to power up when the electricity went out.
That's a good turn.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Five to ten Heather Duplessye, Ellen.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Now, unfortunately it doesn't look like there's much improvement in
how we care for our most vulnerable kids. The number
of kids abused while in state care has increased in
the last year, with five hundred and thirty experiencing harm.
That is twenty three more than last year. Aaron Jones
is the Independent Children's Monitor and with us Hello, Aaron, Yeah, Now,
is this right that most of this is happening when

(37:30):
these kids are going back to their parents?

Speaker 22 (37:34):
Not most of it, but there's overrepresented, so it's a
real risk area. And Ordo Tamariki have called this out
as far back as twenty nineteen. For kids that are
returning home but they're still in state care, they're disproportionately
getting harmed.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
What does that mean? What does disproportionately mean?

Speaker 22 (37:53):
Well, because the number of kids that are returning home
is small, but the amount of harm that's been is
great likely to get harmed if you're in one of
those situations. And I think what's really important to understand
is those kids that are returning home, about half of
them are returning home in an unplanned way, So they're
going back to homes when family members aren't necessarily ready.

(38:13):
Or are we doing this parent, Well, that's the question
you need to ask, what a tone.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I mean, if we know that there's a really high
rate of these kids getting hurt when they're back with
their where their loser parents, why don't we keep them
away from their parents?

Speaker 22 (38:28):
Well that is one option. The other option is making
sure that if this is the only alternative for this
young person and they want to be home with their parents,
is making sure you've got the supports in place for them.
So we produced a report in twenty twenty three that
called this out. And you know, you've got voices of parents.
They're saying, I just wasn't ready for my young person
to come home. I've got drug and alcohol issues. I
haven't addressed those yet. I've got mental health issues I

(38:50):
haven't been able to address, so I'm not ready to
have them home. And so what it's saying is if
they're going to return, you've got to make sure the
supports are there for both them and their family members.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Are we talking about social worker visits.

Speaker 22 (39:03):
It's one of them. So one of the things we
noted back then was actually social workers were less likely
to visit those kids that would return home in an
unexpected way than those that had gone home in a
planned way. Why that's again a question you'd have to ask.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Thing we can fix.

Speaker 22 (39:21):
It's yeah, it does. And I think one of the
heartening things I'll give you some good news here here
there is I think ordung A Tamariki in the last
six months have have responded to that and are actively
driving and improvement and practice to make sure that social
workers are visiting those young people to make sure that
they're safe. If that can be sustained and you can
get the other agencies wrapped around in terms of mental

(39:42):
health support and everything else that's needed, we might see
a reduction in that harm.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Oh pleased to hear that. Aaron, thanks so much, mate,
Aaron Jones, Independent Children's monitor.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
For Ellen Heither.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
As soon as that union guy said that the government
was giving tax cuts to landlords, I lost my support
for them. Because he just confirmed it's a left wing
political statement. I mean, all the union guys across all
the unions are saying using exactly the same line. Have
you noticed that? And there is a point which had
become slightly overused and I did actually I rolled my
eyes when he said it, which is probably not a

(40:12):
good thing for him anyway. Listen, happy days for parents
who care about the social media. The under sixteen social
media ban has just been pulled out of the Biscuit Tin.
This is the National Party's one. This is the MP
for Tuki Tooki, Catherine wed it's her one which has
just been pulled out. Now what this means. I think
this is fascinating because you cannot predict when it's going

(40:33):
to be drawn out of the Biscuit Tin, right, It
could languish there for years. It could be drawn out
tomorrow type thing. So the government chucked it in there,
which was always an indication that they were like, yeah,
it'll sound good if we say we're going to do
something about this, but we don't actually have to do something. Well,
now you do. It just got pulled out, So let's
see how much the government really does want to do
something about the under sixteens being banned from social media

(40:56):
and let's se how much pressure they're going to come under,
which is a lot of pressure because there are people
with very deep pockets. We're going to put pressure on
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(41:18):
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(41:39):
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(42:01):
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Speaker 2 (42:08):
Ever dupuy l listen, I.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Got to tell you shortly about this chapter. We've got
a woke business guy. He will not be offended by
me saying that that is how he sells himself, a
woke business guy who's going to be us. After six o'clock,
i'll run you through his ideas and you can see
what you think of them. Eighteen past five. Now you've
heard of shares these, but you probably haven't heard of
Houses because this is just launched today. But this is
a new investment platform that allows you to invest in

(42:31):
the property market by buying a stake in property for
a very small amount, as little as one hundred dollars.
James Jordan is a House's co founder and with us. Hello, James, Hi,
have okay if I put my one hundred bucks into
this am I buying into a specific house, or am
I buying into a portfolio?

Speaker 23 (42:47):
You're buying shares in a specific house.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
If you can decide which one I want to invest.

Speaker 23 (42:52):
In, you can. At the moment, we've got five houses
for sale on the copy, so you can choose any
one of those five or a part of all five.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And how much is the maximum I can put in?

Speaker 23 (43:03):
You can own a maximum of twenty five percent of
the home. But there is one person who's an investor
who can own more than twenty five percent of the home,
and that's the ones who will live in the property.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
Oh so.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Do does the person with the highest the biggest steak
get like DIBs to live in it?

Speaker 23 (43:21):
Now, what happens is that every house will have a
shareholder who lives in the property, and that's someone who
will apply to become what we call a guardian because
they're going to be looking after the property on behalf
of the other shareholders. And they have to own a
minimum of two percent of the shares. So the access
to a home is quite a low bar there as
far as compared to banks, for example. And then and

(43:41):
they pay or you.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Going head if I am buying into this house, how
can I be sure that they are going to maintain
the house to my standards?

Speaker 23 (43:49):
So all we're monitoring that will be doing inspections. They
have skin in the game, they've got their own money
in the property. The properties are all going to be
new homes and they're going took after them and we're
going to support them and making sure that happens.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
And are they going to pay market rent?

Speaker 23 (44:05):
Probably less. What we're finding is that they pay four percent.
They payn occupational license fee so that they pay rent,
and that fees based on four percent of the shares
they don't own. So it is a bit of a
numbers game, but we're finding that that four percent, or
the cost of the evenness they are owing at two
percent of the property is usually slightly less than what

(44:26):
they were paying rent today.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Is that a good deal for me if I'm a shareholder?

Speaker 23 (44:30):
Well, I think so. You're going to get a dividend
on the four percent, and you are going to be
able to trade those shares on our secondary market. And
we're the first company is on to be approved by
the SMA for to operate a secondary market, and you're
going to be able to trade those shares on your
foot and you will collect not only a dividend, but
you'll also be able any capital gains. You will obviously

(44:51):
keep that as well.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Okay, and so the rent that I'm going to get
as my dividend is that going to cover what I'm
expected to chip in for the maintenance and the rates.

Speaker 23 (44:59):
And you don't have to, so we pre fund belong
to maintenance right at the very beginning. The four percent
covers rates and insurance if there's any shortfall there. As
you know it's quite a bit of inflation with councils
these days. The Guardian will support any short though.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Interesting James, thanks very much for talking us through at
James Jordan, co founder of Houses which launched today hither.
If I hear one more excuse of tax relief to landlords,
I swear I will scream move on. I feel a
little bit. I've got to be honest. I feel a
little bit the same.

Speaker 24 (45:29):
Five twenty two, The day's Newspeakers talk to Heather First,
Heather dupless Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Doorgs be.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Five twenty four. Look, I have to be honest as
you has been a little while since I sat in
the eHome economics class in Turkour College, so there is
a fair chance that my experience is a little out
of date by about twenty years, and I might just
make a fool of myself with what I'm about to
say next. But I do not understand the angst about
Eric sta for dropping home economics from the NCEEA curriculum.

(46:03):
There is an opinion piece in the spin off today
and it's arguing against Erica Stanford removing this quote vital
subject from our school subject list because it's a quote
moral decision, because quote everyone deserves to know what's in
their food, how it affects their health, and how to
make choices that support their overall well being. Now I
tend to agree with that you should know what's going

(46:24):
on in your food. But from what I understand, home
mech is still being taught and will still be taught
to years nine and ten in some form or another.
That's not going to change. And if you cannot learn
in the space of two years that you need to
eat your fruit and your vegetables and your meat and
maybe avoid the process stuff and the sugar, then I
don't have much hope that you're ever going to learn
this stuff. And what's more, we are already we are

(46:46):
one of the most obese nations on this planet. So
home economics hasn't done very much for us in helping
us to keep ourselves healthy in the last one hundred
and fourteen years that's been around, has it. But also,
and I think this is the most important thing. Come on,
did you actually learn anything in home mech Libby, who
works with us, reckons that in one class she spent

(47:07):
the entire class just learning how to make a sandwich.
I remember setting a pot of oil on fire and
learning how to and then running around with him being
taught how to put the fire out. So I suppose
that's semi helpful. But also I learned how to cut carrots, which, frankly,
you know I should have known anyway. All of this
stuff you can learn at home. Now, home economic strikes
me as one of those subjects that the country would

(47:27):
be better off dropping all together and replacing with another
session on maths, don't you agree?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Hether dole see Allen, I just.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Spoke to the German about it. I said to her,
what did you learn in home economics in Germany? And
she said, I didn't do home economics in Germany because
I was learning four languages, physics, bio and chemistry. So
what does that tell you? You choose? Do you want to
learn how to cut carrots and make a sandwich or
do you want to learn to speak four languages. I
think we know the answer to that. Anyway, the Huddle
is going to deal with that next well shortly. So

(47:55):
this woke guy who we're going to talk to after six.
His name is Michael Kobori, and here's a former Starbucks
Chief sustainability officer, also worked for Levi's as in the
Genes Maker. He is coming to New Zealand and he's
doing this like global tour, just talking about his idea.
His idea basically is that you should be woke as

(48:15):
a business. It's actually really good for your business to
be woke, which I feel runs kind of counter to
everything that we're seeing happen at the moment. Because yesterday
we had the government softening the climate reporting rules for
the large listed companies. You've had the net zero banking
Alliance blow up, You've had Air New Zealand pull out
of its targets, you know, like actually being what about
the backlash with bud Light and the transgender influencer. So

(48:38):
you've got all these examples. I think I think you've
got more examples of wokeness not working for business than working.
But Michael swears by this stuff, so anyway, we'll ask
him about it after six o'clock when he's with us.
Next up, Al Galespie on Trump shooting the drug boat
out of the Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 25 (48:54):
We're the ones worth marchings God.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
The name you trust to get the others you need,
it's Heather Duplicylan drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news talk they'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
It's I'm standing by. I'm just going to get you
quick update on the weather situation here. There's heaps of
destruction and stuff going on at the moment, but there
seems to be a little bit of a problem with
the water in Kluther, Southland and Gray districts. The residents
need to conserve water. Cluther and Queenstown have stood up

(49:34):
emergency operations centers and Gray District Council is advising residents
who still have water to boil it, calling it a
water tanker. It's going to be at the Gray District
Council Civic Center car park from about now. Actually, so Britie,
bring your own water containers and there's only four liters
per person. As I said earlier, we're gonna have a
little chat to the woke business guy after six o'clock.

(49:54):
Right now, it's twenty four away from six now. Trump's
campaign of blowing the drug boats out of the water
has come a little closer to home. This time. The
military has killed two people in a drone strike in
the Eastern Pacific Ocean, striking a speedboat that was carrying
drugs along a well known trafficking route. Al Gillespie is
a White Cuttle University law professor and with us now, hey,

(50:14):
el hey, Heather, how do you feel about this now?

Speaker 25 (50:18):
A little bit uneasy? I think mister Trump's right to
be concerned about the way that the drugs are changing
and causing a lot of problems in America, But the
process he's doing it is wrong. Everyone has a right
to fair trial and they shouldn't just be executed on
assumption that they are a drug trafficker.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Do you think that what he's doing is necessarily going
to work? Because I imagine it'll be enough to dissuade the
big dogs from getting on the boats themselves, but they
may just force lower level ranking people on.

Speaker 25 (50:45):
I think it will be a complete failure. I think,
like the war on drugs is over one hundred years
old now and we've got more supply demand and drug
deaths than ever before, and we have to think about
different ways. Just trying to go hard on them hasn't
actually dented the supply or with demand. I think you're
completely correct. Those who supply the drugs will just change
their routes to come into the country.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
How accurate do you think they are when they are
identifying whether it's just an average person on a speedboat
or a drug trafficker.

Speaker 25 (51:12):
My guess is that they would be fairly accurate. But
that's not the point, because even if you're in a
domestic country, and some countries do we have the death
penalty for trafficking drugs, you still have to give them
a trial. You still have to apprehend them and see
if they are the right person, and that the guilt
is that the penalty is proportionate to the guilt. You're
getting none of that here. You take them on their
word that they're drug traffickers, and you're thinking, therefore, that

(51:35):
that penalty is appropriate and that's just wrong.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
What do you think would happen if they struck a
boat of completely innocent people belonging to another state that
cares about it, civilians like I don't know, let's say
Australia or.

Speaker 25 (51:48):
New Zealand, there would be uproar. I mean, you only
have to consider if this was being done by China
or by Russia, how other countries would respond in this situation.
And then if you take one step further back and
look in the Philippines there for President as currently before
the International Criminal Court for Crimes against Humanity for the
way that he did extra judicial killings against his own
people related to the drug war. And so at the

(52:10):
moment we see it and we think, well, it's kind
of entertaining, But underneath it there's some very serious principles
we need to think about them.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Yeah, it's good to talk to you, Thank you, mate.
Al Gillespie, Wykutel University Law professor. Hither, when I was
in home economics class, I made and never failed chocolate
cake that actually failed, which probably shows why you needed
to be in that class. Actually, Hither, I don't think
Carrol Simpson would agree with you. Well, I think to
Carrol Simpson, Carol Simpson was the scary teacher at Tucow College.

(52:36):
When I say was is was Carol still there? Carol
was the scary teacher. I don't think Carol wasted her
time teaching things like home economics, like she was into
much more smart stuff like I think. I think she
was doing the business studies and the economics and the
accounting and that kind of stuff. So anyway, I suppose
who knows, I might have just maybe she was so

(52:56):
scary I just blocked her out of the home economics class.
Hither I was listening to your comments about home ch
In Hawks Bay, we teach food tech, which includes nutrition,
food prep, societal and economic impacts of food, and developing
food products. We're trying very hard to maintain this in
our curriculum so that students can be healthy, but also
so that we're encouraging a new generation of students who
will develop innovitive food products. It's not just about learning

(53:17):
to cook. It was for me twenty away.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
From six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.
Find your one of a gain on the.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Huddle with us. This evening, we have Ali Jones, red
pr and Liam Here, lawyer and political commentator. How are
you two, Ali, how's the weather with you?

Speaker 26 (53:35):
Yeah, it's Are you going to say that's the song'sn't it?
It is pretty windy, but it's northwestern. I'm just telling
Betty that it's dusty. I'm grumpy. I've got a headache.
There's dust everywhere. I can't take the dog out because
it'll blow away just over it. Really, it is karma.
It is karma. The City Council's just said that the

(53:56):
worst is behind us, and what they're doing is warning
people if you're going to be playing sports and parks
at the weekend to just be careful because they may
be I shouldn't laugh, there may be loose branches.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Although there may be. I mean one fell on the
on the GP's head in Wellington.

Speaker 26 (54:10):
Oh that was awful.

Speaker 27 (54:12):
That was awful.

Speaker 26 (54:12):
And look we've had incidents here in christ Church in
Hagley Park with with branches and a chap in Arborostyde
a couple of years ago. So look, it is a
serious thing. But look, the winds are the east, but
it's still pretty revolting.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
And how's it with you, lib I heard it's just
started bucketing down in the last couple of hours or so.

Speaker 27 (54:29):
Yeah, it's here in the mantle too. It's very very
windy and really but you know it's it's also October
in the middle or two, so you know, we're a
little bit more used to it. I guess at the
time of year. It's just the normal way of things.
But it's pretty minerable.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Do you say manaw tu so you don't have to
say Palmerston.

Speaker 27 (54:46):
North, Well, I I Palms North is the big smoke.
I live out in the country village called wrong a year,
so well I work in the city. I will say
I have no I have no shame and saying Farmers
North at all if I lived in Farms North, I'm
just try to accurate.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Oh, I got to stand not fair enough. I actually
thought yes, so my bad. I thought you were trying
to avoid it. Now, Allie, the strikes, I feel like
they were a physicer.

Speaker 26 (55:11):
What do you think, Well, it depends who you ask.
I think if you are a parent who had to
sort out childcare, or you know, you had kids that
weren't at school, or you were someone who's been expecting
an operation for some time and it was canceled. You'd
be pretty angry about that, and they may feel differently
to me. I haven't really felt any you know, it

(55:31):
hasn't affected me at all. But look, Heather, something that's
really annoyed me about this is that I want to
know whether robust and decent reporting on this is. I
do hear it on your show, and I'm not just
blowing smoke. I do hear good interviews and robust, you know,
reporting on your show. But we heard Brian Roche say

(55:52):
that it takes two parties to negotiate and he can't
get the two parties together. Then you had the unions
and others say well, look we can't get Health New
Zealand and others.

Speaker 27 (56:02):
Back to the table.

Speaker 26 (56:03):
I don't know who's telling porkies here, and I would
really like to have some. I mean, we don't have
any TV Current Affairs at seven at the moment. I
want these two parties in a studio being interviewed so
I can understand what the hell's going on.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
That'sally a fair point to make. What do you reckon
the well?

Speaker 27 (56:21):
I think you know the question was we're there so
that did they fail to generate anger for the public. Well,
I think that they did generate anger, but it was
self afflicted, right, it was the anger of people who
were affected. And you know people I was affected. I'm
a parent of four, another of four, my six area
her mum had a specialist appointment canceled. And you know,

(56:42):
that's a bit of a turning point, a little bit
is that people will have sympathy for these professions and
for caring professions, but the fastest way to lose that
sympathy is to turn the public into pawns in their
battle against the government.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Tell me how many of your kids were home today?

Speaker 27 (57:00):
Well that three three school kids on one's one's only
three and all three we're at home.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
So and so why don't you just take a take
take a long weekend and turn it into like a
mega label weekend.

Speaker 27 (57:12):
Because I'm not a teacher, she owned a business.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
You still got to work.

Speaker 27 (57:16):
Well, I do note that there's actually a teaching only
dated that tomorrow, and so, you know, very very convenient.
But yeah, like the rest of us in the real world,
like you know, if not going to work means you
don't make money for your family, and so you know,
we don't have that luxury. We're not paid by the government.
They actually have to be productive.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Are you cross on a scale of one to ten?
How cross are you eight?

Speaker 27 (57:36):
Probably I'm pretty annoyed, Yeah, I am. You know, I
actually think that when you're a professional, you know, like
you have a calling which is higher than you know,
your your negotiations with your employer, and especially in terms
of the effect you have on members of the public
who are relying on you to turn up. And that's
why professionals probably traditionally didn't strike because actually they the

(57:59):
union might say that they're holding out for a future
that's gonna be better for everyone. That's hypothetical. What's not
hypothetical as everyone who was injured today, But what.

Speaker 26 (58:08):
Are they supposed to do?

Speaker 27 (58:09):
Lean? What what are they supposed to do?

Speaker 26 (58:11):
I mean, I actually think that that's a bit rich
saying that you know, they should turn up, that we
expect them to do this. If we actually understood what
was going on, there might be a bit more sympathy
for it. But if striking is the only way that
they can get across what the issues are, maybe they
used to turn up and not strike because they were
actually paid properly and had decent.

Speaker 27 (58:30):
Terms and conditions. Well, strike striking is only one option
of many, right, there are other things you can do.

Speaker 23 (58:38):
You can work to rule what well you can work.

Speaker 27 (58:41):
You can work to rule for one thing, right there
you can And ultimately, of course, you know that the
thing that drives pay is demand for the profession, right
and for people to be in the profession. You know
only what. Only nine percent of the private sector workforce
is u unized. So most people actually do manage to

(59:03):
negotiate their way around, you know, workplace negotiations and pay
without the resorting to a strike. Strikes aren't that common
in this country. Look, I understand it's the right, but look,
the people who were hurt by the strike weren't the employers,
wasn't the government, It was the public.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
It was lim it was people like you. All right,
we'll take a break, come back to you shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
The huddle with New Zealand southebyst International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Back of the huddle, Limb here and Ali Jones, Ali,
how embarrassing was that for Madame M Davidson not turning
up and losing her bill? Oh totally?

Speaker 26 (59:38):
I mean, how unprofessional? Is it very bad? Totally unprofessional.
I'm actually completely and utterly over the Greens, which worries
me because I have supported them in the past, not
in recent years because I think they've turned into a
bunch of activists. But you know, at a time when
environmental issues and climate change and innovation that is out
there to help that, the Greens are just showing that they're.

Speaker 27 (59:59):
Not not up to the job.

Speaker 26 (01:00:00):
We had a guy who was elected to a local
community board in the local body elections who was also
the New List Green MP after Benjamin Doyle left, so
he's now got two jobs. He's in Wellington and here
the Greens have totally lost the plot. They're looking disheveled,
they looked disorganized and I think they're disconnected from New Zealanders.
A very very bad Heather, very bad Liam.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
I mean, it is embarrassing if you cannot actually manage
your day to get there for the very thing that
you are basically living for at the moment, which is
the spill.

Speaker 27 (01:00:30):
Yeah, it's not the first time that it's happened in
New Zealand. I remember when Gordon Copeland failed to turn
up to vote against the smacking ban. You know, I
mean that was the very thing that caused him was
out his own body is but like it is embarrassing,
and what annoying about it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Really as high as this right So Gordon turns up
and doesn't vote for the thing. David semhow has done
the same thing, but because she didn't turn up, the
bill is gone.

Speaker 27 (01:00:54):
Yeah, And what's really annoying about it is that, like
it's probably the one Green Party bill that I'm somewhat
interested in and gyms of being a right to repair bill,
you know, because that is actually talking about the Greens
being all flash and no substance or actually, you know,
this is actually something they had a lot of people
of a lot of interest in. It's an important consumer thing.
It's not just Flash's show. And so it's annoying to

(01:01:15):
have lost the opportunity to test that. Home economics yes
or no, Yes, it's a I think it's a necessity.
I don't like calling it home economics, which is a
very American term, but cooking or whatever. Yes, the fact
of the matter.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Is that time wait are you telling me you don't
want to call it home economics but you want to
call it cooking?

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
What? No manual?

Speaker 13 (01:01:36):
Whatever?

Speaker 22 (01:01:37):
You call it whatever it's called.

Speaker 27 (01:01:39):
But the expected matter is, in an ideal world, these
skills will be transmitted from you know, parents to children.
But that hasn't happened, right, Those skills have been lost.
They have to be restarted somehow. And I'm a big believer,
and not just chucking stuff onto schools. Schools are really
there for the things that parents aren't shouldn't do, But
this is one we're actually here. I'm going to make

(01:02:00):
an exception for.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
And Ali, don't be making encouraging noises. I can hear that.

Speaker 27 (01:02:06):
Yeah I am.

Speaker 26 (01:02:08):
And look I'm going to add to that. I think
we should bring back sewing. We should also have basic
car maintenance, financial management, and civics. I think that should
be put in there, and that the curriculum and the
teachers in the schools should be resourced so that they
can teach it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
She learned four languages at school because she wasn't well.

Speaker 26 (01:02:31):
Not everyone can learn that stuff, not every.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Lot, because we're teaching you that. She said, it's compulsory
because I don't do things like sewing and how to
wash yourself at school.

Speaker 26 (01:02:41):
Yeah, but you can't eat German and Italian?

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Right, But you know, what you become. You become really
rich if you can speak all those languages, so you
don't need.

Speaker 26 (01:02:49):
To you're cloudland.

Speaker 27 (01:02:54):
We suffer as a society. We actually really suffer from
the loss of those skills. It's for whatever reason that
we've lost them. We lost the ability to actually make
food from scratch, and that's that float that flows into
bed nutrition in the homes where people are low incomes
don't have the ability to actually cook nutritious meals. You know,
they have to buy stuff that's really.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Agreed to listen to yourself. We still teach home economics
at the moment, We've been teaching it for one hundred
and fourteen years, and the country is as fat as
a poor example.

Speaker 26 (01:03:25):
No, no, no, look, I'm going to post you a soaldo.
Will that get through the post or right?

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
I don't know. I don't because I don't eat bread
because I'm trying to be skinny.

Speaker 26 (01:03:35):
No, We'll get on those get on those wood govy
things and then I'll post it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
You think I should? I was thinking about it, Ali should?
I think you should? I think you should? Absolutely? What
do you reckon? Limb? I need to limb. I had
a baby.

Speaker 27 (01:03:48):
I'm not that I'm not that idiotic. I'm not going
to comment on as a woman's exagerag or diet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Good from you. You've lued well, guys, I appreciate it.
Lim Here Alie Jones huddle this evening seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Art Radio powered by News talk Z' be.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Heather for goodness sake, wake up. The strikes are about
the unions helping their labor mates to embarrass the government.
Oh my gosh, welcome, welcome to what's going on? Don't
tell me to wake up. We already knew this ages ago. Listen,
can I just on the subject of the union? So
the Germ I did not know this. The German said
to me, how much do you think because the text
came through and said, oh, you know, somebody canceled their

(01:04:30):
union membership immediately got a thirty dollar pay rise because
they're not paying that every fortnight. Now, the German was like,
surely they don't pay that much when to have lock
Did you realize that teachers in the PPTA, as in
the secondary school teachers, are paying one percent of their
income to the union. Did you realize this. So if

(01:04:50):
they are one hundred thousand dollars annually, they are paying
the union one thousand dollars. Mate, how is that math
stacking up for you? That is the nuttiest. When I
was in the union, when I was dumb and young,
I mean, some people would say I'm still dumb, and
I would take that. But when I was very young
I was in the union, I reckon, it only cost
me five dollars for a fortnight or something like that.

(01:05:11):
Thirty bucks a fortnight is mental crazy stuff. What are
you doing paying the union that much? Cancel immediately and
you got yourself at one percent pay rise just like that.
What are you doing? It's obviously not a maths teacher,
must be a home economics teacher. Anyway, listen on the
subject of principles and teachers, I reckon, we've got another
case of a principle or a teacher being done unfairly.
There is a video online of the principle of Funganui

(01:05:33):
High School and he goes up to a group of
kids outside a toilet block at the school and sees
something and then something along the lines of you know,
like disperse, like get on with it, go to your
class whatever, and then doubles back, goes up to the kids.
One of the students walks away, and as that student
walks away, the principle reaches out and grabs the student
and just pulls them back a little bit. Like it's
not massive. All it causes the kids to do is

(01:05:54):
like a half step back back to the principle and
he's grabbed his jersey or his bag, and it's not
really clear what's going on. It's really not a big
deal at all. Like if I walk past and saw
that happen, I'd be like, oh, well, you know whatever.
But anyway, the parents, of course complained to the Board
of Trustees and they said that the principal had man
handled their son. The Board of Trustees cleared the principle,

(01:06:15):
but now someone's complained to the teaching Council and they
are now investigating this. This Apparently, what the kid did
was he chucked up. According to the dad, he chucked
up a hangloose sign and said ja and like the
kid sounds like a brat, and this is what got
the principle worked up. Just please, dear God, can the
teaching council not go hard on this principle because that

(01:06:36):
would just be ridiculous, and I would lose all confidence,
and I would not understand why anybody wants to be
a teacher anymore if they do. Anyway, the woke guy
about business.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
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Said b even in coming up in the next hour,
Sam Dickey on why quality US stocks like healthcare companies
are trading at their cheapest level relative to the market
in decades. Do you remember those dairy beef cows that
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and then end of Brady on all the trouble the
Royal families, and at the moment at seven past six,

(01:07:26):
now it seems that we live in an age where
businesses and countries are winding back the climate commitments a
bit after years of going full throttle. You've got the
net zero Banking Alliance shutting down nesslayers quit, the Dairy
Methane Action Alliance, and closer to home, the government yesterday
water down climate related reporting requirements for listed companies. And
yet there's someone who was adamant that being woke is

(01:07:46):
actually good for business. Michael Kobori was the sustainability boss
at Starbucks and also worked at Levi's. Hi, Michael, hither,
how is being woke for actually good for business in
the face of everything we're seeing at the moment.

Speaker 28 (01:08:00):
Well, Heather, I would say that it isn't so much
about being woke. It is about doing what is good
for your business. And I've worked on sustainability for large
global companies like Starbucks and Levi Straussen Company for nearly

(01:08:21):
thirty years, and we've always focused on those sustainability issues
that are material in a financial sense to our companies.
And I'm very proud to say that through that work,
we've helped our companies become more financially successful.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Give me an example, Well.

Speaker 28 (01:08:43):
I would say that, for example, coffee at Starbucks. Coffee
is an existential issue. Now, many of your listeners this
morning may be enjoying their cup of coffee. I will
tell you that coffee only grows in the tropics above
one thousand meters in the mountains. Okay, Now, because the

(01:09:05):
climate is warming the planet because we have extreme heat
and droughts and rain and floods, because pests and disease
like coffee leaf rust are on the increase, coffee is
under threat. By the year twenty fifty, the amount of

(01:09:25):
land that we can grow coffee on will be reduced
fifty percent. Get that again, By twenty fifty, the amount
of land that we can grow use for coffee will
be cut in half. And so the company has extensive
programs that are working on developing new varieties of coffee
that can withstand climate change. We're teaching farmers more sustainable

(01:09:49):
agricultural techniques, and we as a company, and we're encouraging
other companies to reduce their carbon emissions because guess what
if we can reduce that, we can help keep the
temperature jet down and actually help make sure that we
can all enjoy that cup of coffee in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Right, And yet, I mean Starbucks famously got busted. I
think it was last year, right for this, for wanting
to wanting to do all the right things by the climate.
And yet the CEO gets permission and a private jet
to be able to fly from his home. And I
think it was California to Washington or something, wasn't it?

Speaker 28 (01:10:24):
Well, that was part of his compensation package, and I
have to tell you that that was something that has
a nearly it's in the it's in the one one
millionth of an impact on the company's carbon emissions, and
we were able to engage in other programs that completely

(01:10:48):
offset that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Yeah, but doesn't that doesn't that underscore though, that if
you are going to say that this is what your
business is about, and you're going to make it part
of your business story, you cannot deviate from that. Because
that was that created some terrible backlash with Starbucks.

Speaker 28 (01:11:03):
Look, it was probably not the greatest news out there,
but it doesn't overshadow all of these substantive things that
the company has been doing to all introduced or carbon emissions.
We've literally invested millions of dollars in new renewable power
generation across the United States and in communities that sorely needed.

(01:11:28):
The last one was seventy three million dollars literally on
an Indigenous Indian reservation in near San Diego, California. So
the company's making significant investments for renewable power generations.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
So, Michael, would you not would the company not be smarter?
Would the smart and rational thing not be Actually, instead
of wasting my words, not yours, Instead of wasting money
on you know, trying to cut a missions, encouraging others
to cut a missions, climate reporting, all that kind of stuff,
may not be better off putting all of that money

(01:12:02):
into doing the thing that you mentioned earlier, which is
trying to find coffee beans that that will grow in
climate change, you know, in the new weather system.

Speaker 28 (01:12:14):
Well, Heather, we're doing both right now. Of course, we're
trying to get coffee to the point where it can
survive climate change. But if we and others don't do
anything to reduce our carbon emissions, then we're not addressing
the source of the problem. Right The planet is heating up,
which is causing all of these problems for coffee and

(01:12:35):
reducing the emaunt of land.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
And that's it's that's that is. I mean, that's a
fair that's a fair argument. But if I was a shareholder,
I would say to you, listen, Starbucks is going to
have about no impact on climate change realistically, stop wasting
money on it. Put your money into adaptation. Wouldn't wouldn't
that be the rational thing for a shareholder to.

Speaker 28 (01:12:54):
Demand well, actually, our shareholders are demanding both, and so
are our customers, and so are the employees of Starbucks
and many other large companies. And so that is what
the company pays attention to. It's what any company is
going to pay attention to. What do your customers want,
what do your employees want, and what do your investors want?

(01:13:16):
And they want absolutely for us to address the issues
around the environment that are material to the company, and
for a company that is a food and beverage retailer
like Starbucks, it absolutely is carbon it's water because coffee
is ninety nine percent water, and it's waste. Every year

(01:13:37):
Starbucks has forty Starbucks has forty thousand stores around the world,
and every year it uses literally billions of single use cups,
and so addressing that waste is one of the big
issues that we were focused on at Starbucks, and certainly
the industry is focused on because our customers and our

(01:13:58):
employees want to see us issues like that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
All right, Michael, it is good to talk to you.
Thank you for your perspective. That's Michael Kobori, the former
Starbucks Chief Sustainability Officer, also worked at Levi's nine two
nine two love to know what you're saying. Alan Joyce
has just announced he's going to be running a memoir.
This is the chap who was Runningquantas for a while there.
He said, I'm looking forward to setting the record straight.

(01:14:21):
The book will be a fourth, right and honest account
of my time as CEO of Australia's national flagship. Nothing
will be off limits. Now if you followed Alan Joyce's
career and the fact that he's pretty ballsy and prepared
to do just whatever he wants to do, because every
chance that this is going to be a good read.
Twenty twenty six, it's coming out quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Past It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show
podcast on my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Heather, you will hither is this dude an AI robot?
You will not believe the number of people who've text
me to ask if he's an AI robot. I don't
think he is. I mean, I don't. To be fair,
he's the states right talking to me, so I can't
be We've done as much due diligence as we possibly
can without me actually touching him and saying no, that's
a real life human. But if you loved what he
had to say. You can go and see him in

(01:15:10):
November when he's coming to New Zealand and actually incidentally
on some of the stuff that he said.

Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
I've got.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
I had an interesting email today from Todd. Todd from
Turner's email me again so emailed me yesterday EMILV again
but he's got something really interesting to say, which is
apropos what Michael just says the standby. We'll deal with that.
Eighteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
The Rural Report on Heather. Do for see Alan.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Drive Jamie McKay, Hosts of the Countries with Us. Hello Jamie.

Speaker 12 (01:15:37):
I'd like to say good evening Heather, but it hasn't
been for a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
What's it like? How's it with you, guys?

Speaker 12 (01:15:44):
Well, I'm based in Dunedan. There's a few trees over here.
It got rather blustery just after midday or one or
two o'clock. Is the weather changed in for cargo or
got hammered. We know all parts of the country have
been hammered, but I think if you're looking for the
worst affected from what I can see anyhow, it would
probably be Canterbury, especially North Canterbury. Got a message from

(01:16:04):
a farmer who said he's been in the Muri basin today.
That's colvid and Era area in North Canterbury. His words,
effing carnage. Fifty pivots. These are the big pivot arrogators.
Blown over trees and sheds gone everywhere. So it's going
to take a lot of repairing. And you might remember

(01:16:24):
a few years ago when they had a big wind
in Canterbury. Those pivot irrigators, which cost hundreds of thousands,
sometimes millions of dollars. They try and park them up
into the wind when it's really strong, but it looks
like that wasn't enough. A number of those have been damaged.
And the irony of all the situation is they're going
to need those pivot irrogators very shortly because this wind

(01:16:48):
has not only been wickedly destructive, it's rarely starting to
dry out the east coast of both islands.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
On the Synergizer has rabobanks did they quite like the
look of it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
What's a synergizer?

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
The synergizer is the name of the cow. Jamie, Oh,
is it?

Speaker 12 (01:17:08):
Well, I'm learning from you. You should just do the
rural spot yourself. I assume we're talking about the same
Rabobank report Strategic moment for dairy beef in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Is that I the synergizer.

Speaker 12 (01:17:24):
Well, look, we've got a big issue in this country
in the dairy industry, and that is what to do
with the bobby calfs. So what happens to the calves
for people who are unaware, is that for a cow
to produce milk, it has to get pregnant, it has
to have a calf. The calfs are taken off the
dairy cows at three to four days of age, and

(01:17:45):
then the cows and milk. Now what happens to those calves, Well,
about a quarter of them are retained as replacement dairy hiffers.
The females about another quarter raised as dairy beef and
they will be prosed. I'm worried to use the word
killed heather in these enlightened times, but they will be

(01:18:06):
killed as beef animals in two to three years time.
But that leaves the other half and they haven't got
a very good future at all. Basically, they go to
the meat works as bobby calfs at four to five
days old. That's feel And if that sounds barbaric, it's
not as barbaric as they used to be because they

(01:18:26):
used to just be.

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
Disposed on farms.

Speaker 12 (01:18:28):
So look, I think if where or the dairy industry
should I say, has a social license to operate, and
especially with the animal welfare cruelty side of all this,
it will become important that every calf born is raised
and serves the useful purpose. So I think that's where

(01:18:49):
having more dairy beef pridut progeny from these dairy cows
will be the answer. Because Rabobank have come out and
said at current market average prices for this season, rearing
an additional six hundred thousand calves could unlock one point
two billion dollars in value. And imagine if we had
that here, that we could pay the teachers more to

(01:19:11):
learn about Palestine, and we could play the hard pay
the hard working doctors and nurses a bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
Goodness knows they deserve it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
God on you. Jamie has always really loved talking to you.
That's Jamie Mackay, who's the host of the Country. Hither
I waited in the car to listen to Michael. He
sounded exactly like I thought he would. Here, the Starbucks
should focus on actually making good coffee something currently beyond
their reach. Here, the Michael came across as a condescending
school teacher lecturing his inferiors. Look to be fair to Michael.
I suspect that's because I would I'd venture that most

(01:19:43):
of Michael's interactions with the media would be with other
people who got, oh, yeah, no, that's right. Yeah, I'm
totally agree with you. I don't know that he'd get
a lot of he'd get a lot of really no.
So maybe maybe that's the tone. It's just like explaining
it to a happy audience. Anyway, apropos what he was
I don't like. I don't at all think that being
woke is good for business. I think just actually being

(01:20:04):
realistic is good for business. And I got an email
from Todd from Turners, and he wanted to have a
little bit more of a chat about the climate disclosure risks, right,
the climate disclosure reporting, which I'm well into having chats about.
And he said Turners have not just published one climate report,
but they published too and remember that the first one
cost a million dollars. He said, we have not had

(01:20:26):
one question about any of the information in it from
institutional investors or retail investors in two years, and we
engage very regularly with all of the large institute, large
institutional investors in New Zealand, which I think goes to
show exactly what we were saying yesterday. If people actually
wanted to know the stuff, they would simply ask and
the market will respond and reply and provide that information.

(01:20:48):
If you're having to force the listed companies to cough
it up, it's because people don't actually care about it.
He also said not one of the climate reports has
helped caol the climate one little bit, which is also
I think a fair point. When I was as I
did a bit of research before I was going to
talk to Michael, just in case we got deep on
the stuff, which we didn't. One of the facts that
I thought was really interesting was the young people. This
is what they say. They say, Oh, the young people
care about You've got to be sustainable for the young consumer.

(01:21:10):
Bollocks you do not. Young people will say to you,
like seventy percent of them will say to you we're
only going to buy products that are sustainable and good
for the climate, when actually, when you scrape have a
look at it, what they actually end up doing different
to what they say. Twenty eight percent of them, Only
twenty eight percent of them actually buy something based on
sustainability six twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The business hour, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Header due for Cellen and maz for.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
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Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Talks that'd be you know how I said that I
thought the weather was going to knock the air out
of the strikes. Well, TV one, they didn't even get
to the strikes today, that the mega strike, biggest strike
in forty six years. Until the second break, it was
just all weather in the first break six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 15 (01:22:01):
On the beast.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
And this song is called so Unfair, which is a
new song from indie pop musician Sophia James. It's kicked
off a very soli little internet trend called Group seven.
I'm gonna explain. So Sophia put out the song a
few days ago, and as you do, she was trying
to get the new song to trend on TikTok.

Speaker 7 (01:22:16):
Always husband and always will be me versus the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
And today I have decided that I am winning.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
So she put out a fairly standard TikTok promo video
dancing around in lip syncing and so far, so good.
But the problem with TikTok is you never know if
anyone's going to actually see the video. So she decided
to do a bunch of videos to increase her chances.
By the fourth video, she told people, if you see this,
you're in Group four, and you can tell. By the
time she got to Group seven, she was getting a
bit sick of it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:41):
I have posted seven videos today and this is the
seventh one, just this little science experiment out of seven.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
So she went to bed and when she woke up,
one of the videos had indeed blown up. It was
the Group seven one, which now has forty six million views.
She posted Group seven had one, and then it just
went out. It just got wacky. Being part of Group
seven is now a weird status symbol for everyone, even
for people who had no idea who Sophia James was.
It even includes the Kansas City Chiefs and tennis star
Naomi Osaki were in Group seven. So did we learn

(01:23:12):
anything from it? Not at all. But Group seven is
meeting up this weekend at a pub in London, and
it's just another weird internet thing. That has happened. Sam
Dicky is with us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Next crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither
D for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
For insurance investments and Kiwi Safer you're in good hands
news talks that'd.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Be I remember when we were driving.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Driving in your cars. It's a faster Fellow's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Remind everyone that you can still have communication through one
as in One New Zealand Starlink tech service. There was
a white Huttle family who was isolated last week for
thirty eight hours and they did not know that they
had this capability. So yes, it doesn't matter what provider
you're on, what telco you're on. If you if you
need to send a text, it should I think, if

(01:24:11):
I remember correctly, should automatically take you through to One
New Zealand and the Starlink service. So yeah, get those
texts out if you need some help, because it's a
pretty pretty nift way of people getting a hold of you.
Read it. By the way, has in the last few
hours as in Like Today, has sued the AI platform
Perplexity for scraping data. Perplexity is one of the I

(01:24:31):
think Larry loves perplexity. Larry loves perplexity and he's got
Barry onto Perplexity, so the pair of them are using that,
so they don't use chat GPT anyway. That Reddit has
taken the case in the New York Federal Court accusing
Perplexity and three other AI companies of unlawfully scraping its
data in order to train their AI based search engines. Anyway,
read it claims that they had put data protection measures

(01:24:54):
in place, but Perplexity still managed to get around that
in order to they say, steal the It's not the
first case that Reddit has taken, mind you. They filed
a similar lawsuit against Anthropic a few months ago. So
interesting this is this is where this AI stuff is going.
There's a lot of a lot of concern about the
protection of data and so on. To keep an eye
on that. Enda Brady will be with us in ten

(01:25:15):
minutes time to talk us through the Royal family in
big and increasingly big trouble over Andrew. Right now, it's
twenty two away from seven Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Due to see our quality stocks.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Like healthcare companies are trading at their cheapest level relative
to the market in decades, and that's happening while market
concentration is at record levels. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds
is looking into this and is with us. Hi Sam,
Hey Sam, before we get into it, have you managed
to get out of Palmerston North?

Speaker 21 (01:25:41):
You can't associate everything in the central North Island with
palms North. There was New Plumber Actually, you know, I
did get out of there. It's a lot a lot better.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
But hold on, were you waiting for nine hours?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
Oh mate? What time do you get out?

Speaker 21 (01:25:56):
We we got out of there about three thirty four o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Oh yeah it. Oh, I'm pleased to get out though.

Speaker 14 (01:26:02):
Hey.

Speaker 21 (01:26:02):
By the way, I love naki the naki though, so
I was very happy to be there for that extra time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Isn't it like if you're going to be trapped in
a small rural town. Well, when I say small, it's
a small rural city. New Plymbus would be one of
the ones that you'd be quite happy to be trapped
in because they've got a great hotel, that's the Nice Hotel,
and then all these wonderful places to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
A it's one number one, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Did you stay at the Nice Hotel?

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:26:25):
But it's just one number number one region in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
I totally agree with you. Anyway, listen to the important
stuff when you say that these quality stocks are cheap.
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 21 (01:26:35):
Yes, probably best to give you just a couple of factoids.
So the last six months in the US, companies making
no profits or losses are up about forty percent, and
companies that actually make a profit, which is typically a
pretty key threshold for being a quality company, a barely
up ten percent. And if you broaden out that measure
of quality to things like strong balance sheets, ability to

(01:26:57):
convert any profits you do get into cash pretty easily,
and just all around good corporate governance, the difference is
even more stark. So low quality companies have outperformed high
quality by forty percent in the last six months. And
that's the most extreme move we've sent in thirty years.
So this dash for trash, as the market calls it,
has left quality companies behind and left them looking very attractive.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Why is healthcare so unloved right now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yes?

Speaker 21 (01:27:21):
Well, you and I talked about this back in July,
and very quickly. US overall debt levels are about one
hundred and twenty five percent of GDP, and the US
healthcare expenditure is a key component of that. So the
US spends about twice the OECD average, and remember that's
about five trillion dollars, and about a trillion of that
is wasted on administrative bloat and unnecessary complexity.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
And the Trump administration.

Speaker 21 (01:27:44):
Rightly so it was trying to crack down on some
of that wastage and the very high drug prices the
US charges, and that's caught up all of healthcare in
its wake, not just the companies that are part of
the problem, like farmer companies that charge high drug prices
or administrative companies that are part of that bloat, but
in some case is the companies that are part of
the solution as well, those those companies that have products

(01:28:04):
that cut costs and shortened hospitals to stay. So that's
that's allowing the sort of the opportunity there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
At the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
One of the facts that you've thrown at me, which
I find quite alarming, is that forty percent of the
US market value is in ten stocks. Now, how risky
is that for passive investors?

Speaker 21 (01:28:19):
Yes, forty percent and ten stocks thirty percent and five
And we know that that the AI boom has driven investors,
at least initially towards the MAG seven. The MAG seven
accounts for seventy five percent of market returns, eighty five
percent of the growth and profits, and ninety five percent
of the growth and capital expenditure in the US at
the moment. So that's all the expenditure going on data centers.

(01:28:41):
So you compare that with so that's the highest ever
I guess going back two hundred years that forty percent,
and the dot com boom that number was barely thirty percent.
So if you invest in a passive fund that replicates
the US stock market and you're hoping to get a
diversified exposure to five hundred companies, you could be in
for a rude shop because if anything goes wrong with

(01:29:01):
one or two, or god for bit, a handful of
those huge AI focused companies, you won't be getting a
diversified sort of passive exposure at all.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
What does all of this mean for investors more broadly.

Speaker 21 (01:29:13):
Well, I think all these issues were interrelated. So the
AI boom meant these megacat companies with the prime bende
fisheries initially because they were the only ones that could
afford the massive infrastructure spin you and I have spoken
about a few times. And then more recently this fomo
has risen and the market's got on frothy. Investors have
been chasing lower and lower quality companies, for example, tech
companies that say they do AI with no profit, and

(01:29:34):
as a corollary, typically high quality companies like healthcare and
many others have not only been left behind, they've actually
been sold down as a funding source for the foray
into risky and risky of tech.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
So if you're an.

Speaker 21 (01:29:47):
Active stock picker, the opposite of a passive investor, there
are some pretty exciting opportunities around.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
Sam. It's good to talk to you and it's good
to have you back in Auckland, Sam Dickie of Fisher Funds.
Do you think you know? Sometimes I wonder what the
hell's wrong with my here?

Speaker 6 (01:29:59):
Do you think that I?

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Is this how the map of the North Island works?
In my head? You come down, down, down down across
the bomb base and then you're in Parmiston North and
then you take State Highway one through Farmers to North
He gets to the river Taker's and then you'urine Wellington.
That's how the North Island works.

Speaker 29 (01:30:17):
Is that called being a Jaffer, Lord.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
And Parmison North's not even that bad. Like, you know,
it's okay, it's got a square, it's okay. You know,
it's not as bad as they say. It's not as
bad as they say. Anyway, I've been in some nice
parts of Parmerston North, Like there's one part of Parmasol
that's got a giant lake they call Taupo. Anyway, Lord,

(01:30:43):
I do know I did. I did geography. I did
when I had time after my home economics, I did
do some geography and you know I did. I did.
I do know what I'm talking about some of the time. Lord. Anyway,
Rob Fife, who was now the chair of Michael Hill
Jewler obviously has spoken at the Jeweler's Brand, the Jewelry
Brands and Your meeting in Brisbane, yesterna. I thought what
he said was quite interesting. He said current economic trading
conditions are harder than the global financial crisis. Because he

(01:31:07):
was asked about the acquisition that Michael Hill Julett had
done of Bevil's, which is an Australian jewelry brand. They
did that a couple of years ago, in twenty twenty three,
and it's not gone very well for them an underperforming asset,
But he said when they made the purchase, they did
some analysis on a potential economic downturn should it happen,
and they modeled it on the two thousand and eight GFC.
But the trading conditions we've had throughout f y twenty

(01:31:29):
four and f y twenty five have proven to be
much more challenging than even that GFC period, which I
think I found interesting because it's not telling you if
you're doing business at the moment, and if you're in
retail like some of my family, this is not telling
you anything you didn't already know. But when Rob Fife
says it, you know that you're not imagining it. Sixteen

(01:31:50):
away from seven see whether it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Macro, microbe or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen
and to Mass for Insurance Investments.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
You're in good heads.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
I'll tell you what Demi Mooores. Demi Mooores had a
controversial hot take. I'm going to run you through in
a minute thirteen away from seven, right now into Brady
our UK correspondence with us Eloinda.

Speaker 13 (01:32:13):
Hey, Heather, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Well, so you were right about them stripping last week
about them stripping the titles. Will sort of write about
them stripping the titles from Prince Andrew. But by the
looks of things, they did not go nearly far enough,
because now they're being dragged into this business with the rent,
aren't they.

Speaker 13 (01:32:28):
He hasn't paid any his entire adult life. That's what
we know, discoverer. Prince Andrew has never paid rent, not
only on the Royal Lodge where he lives with Sarah
ferguson different wings of a huge house and mansion. They've
paid no rent there since they moved in twenty three
years ago, and then prior to that he was in
a place called sunning Hill Park and his mother was

(01:32:48):
picking up the tab. So ultimately the taxpayer has funded
Andrew's Well, we've known this. He's paid no rent his
entire adult life. Now what's interesting now is during Prime
Minister's question, the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Ed Davey,
asked the Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, do you agree we
should look at the Crown of State and the living

(01:33:09):
arrangements of Andrew so we can make sure taxpayer's money
is being used properly and in terms of looking at
the arrangements. What they're calling for is a Select Committee
inquiry looking at the Crown of State, which would mean
MP's grilling people involved, and technically, theoretically they could drag
Andrew before Parliament. Knowing Andrew, he's not going to if

(01:33:31):
you wouldn't cooperate with the FBI over the abuse of
young girls, He's not going to want to talk about
his own house.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
How damaging is it though, inda the allegations that when
the last time they did one of these Select Committee
inquiries twenty years ago, when that happened, the Royals blocked
the information from coming out because obviously they were embarrassed
by the fact that he didn't pay it. How there
How damaging is this to the Royals?

Speaker 13 (01:33:54):
I think Andrew is basically a grenade rattling around the
dining room for at the moment, and people are kicking
it from one end of the room to the next.
And I think what William wants is him out completely.
Not he's out of the Royal family already. I think
what William is pushing for is him into exile. They

(01:34:15):
certainly want him out of that house. I think it's
extremely damaging and Charles. You know he's busy. He's gone
through cancer treatment, he's trying to keep them and trying
to stop the public backlash against his brother. He must
be so angry.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Now when you say exile, do you do you literally
mean out of the country.

Speaker 13 (01:34:35):
Yes, yes, what they're talking I was in Westminster yesterday.
I was talking to very well connected people and they're
saying that it is game over for Andrew. Ahead of
steam is building against him which cannot be stopped. That
was the phrase yesterday that I heard from someone who's
extremely well tapped into government and what they're thinking. And
when I say exile, they're talking about some village up

(01:34:57):
a mountain in Switzerland where him and Sarah fergu can
go ski and drink wine all day and reminisce about
the good old days when the UK taxpayer funded their life.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Because there was a little bit of talk for a
while there that he would be sent somewhere like the
Falklands or something, some sort of Commonwealth arrangement. We're not
going to get him lumped on us, are we.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
No. No relax, relax.

Speaker 13 (01:35:21):
The parents of teenage children in New Zealand can relax,
I think, and they're going to send them anywhere. I
think it'll be Switzerland or there's a royal family in
Bahrain who are quite pally with Andrew. Still I know
for a fact he's been to visit them in the
last two years. He will go somewhere. But in England
it's endgame game.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
All this is nuclear, isn't it. And look, the thing
that we were talking about earlier this week was it
needed to be dealt with relatively quickly. Otherwise the king
was going to be in arriving in Rome to pray
with the Pope. Sorry, and all we're doing is talking
about Andrew and that is exactly what is happening.

Speaker 13 (01:35:55):
Yeah, precisely. So Look, they move at glacial pace, the
royal family, and there's Parliament and there's legislation that would
have to be raised through. Why everything has gone in
a flurry this week, a flurry of activity that hasn't
resulted in any decisiveness. Well, the titles have gone is
because the King is now in Rome. So he arrived

(01:36:16):
last night with Camilla and they're there. It's not a
state visit. They are there to see the Pope and
to pray with Leo. And today you will see very
symbolically the head of the Church of England sitting and
praying with the head of the global Catholic Church in
the Sistine Chapel in Rome, so in the Vaticans, so

(01:36:37):
it's hugely significant. The monarch has not prayed with the
pope since the sixteenth century, I believe, so half a
millennia ago. And Charles wants the headline to be you know,
the other day he went to Manchester to spend time
at the Jewish community, that synagogue that was attacked. Charles
is doing his utmost you know, pushing eighty, trying to

(01:36:58):
be cancer, trying to stay alive, trying to keep his
family together, and this brother of his is just destroying everything.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Lord, we've all got one, well, none of us have
got and Andrew have we da? Thank you very much appreciated.
Endo Brady, UK correspondent. By the way, staying in the UK,
that one end, one out migrant screen scheme is really
not working because there's a guy who landed in the
UK and then was sent over to France under the
scheme and then it just hopped on a small boat
and went back to the UK. So not working. Eight

(01:37:26):
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show
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Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
Hither, I met you years ago and live in you
know where that is I do jacks. It's Low and
Lower Parmeston, North Hither tell Sam Dickie that a factoid
is something that is false that, after being repeated over
and over, becomes accepted as fact. This is a classic
example of why Erica Stanford is pushing it English, et
cetera over home economics. Off, Peter, you almost had me
at the home economics argument, but actually you are correct.

(01:37:57):
A factoid in English English is something that is, you know,
as you say, repeated to the point of being accepted
as fact. But in North America, a factoid as a
brief or trivial piece of news or information. So he
was also using it in that sense correctly, and he
spent a lot of time with the Americans lately. Now
this is the controversial hot take from Demi Moore. She's
given an interview because she has been named as Glamour

(01:38:17):
Magazine's Women of the Year, and she said in it
that women desexualize themselves after menopause by cutting their hair
into masculine haircuts. She said. We often hear that as
women get older they shouldn't have long hair, and for
some reason, to me, I didn't buy it. I didn't
believe it, and it didn't make any sense to me
why that had to be the case. And I did notice,
particularly women who were going through menopause, that they were

(01:38:40):
all kind of cutting their hair in a very almost
masculine way, just desexualizing themselves. And I thought, bold call
from you, Demi. Bold call because Demi's worn the masculine
haircut looked bloody hot doing it. And also, I mean,
come on, there is like have you seen how long
her hair? Her hair hangs below her boobs. That's too
too long for her age. Actually, I think her short

(01:39:03):
back in sides on a woman postmenopause is quite an
attractive fetching thing. Ants do you want to comment?

Speaker 29 (01:39:09):
Look, I think this one might be a trap, But
all I will say is that demiwalk could try as
how as she and I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
She could be sexualize her her hair.

Speaker 29 (01:39:15):
She is so good looking just naturally that she would
really struggle hot Babe Sunday, bloody Sunday by you two
to play us out tonight. They have been awarded the
Woody Guthrie Prize. Woody Guthrie, of course, was a legend
of folk music in America, and apparently there's a prize
that bears his name. There's a Woody Guthrie Center that
hand the prize out every year and it's presented to

(01:39:36):
an artist who reflects the spirit of him by being
a champion for the voiceless, shining a light on the world,
showing us what needs to be fixed. So I bet
Bono is stoked to win this one. I bet I
think he would probably take this over any other award
in the world. So yeah, him and the Edge actually
went to collect the ward in Oklahoma. This is one
of the songs they performed the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
Right So what's the decision am I doing with gov?
It's not a trap? Oh okay, I'm not asking you if
from fat Well.

Speaker 29 (01:40:02):
I mean, I'm just going to do the boring response
and say you have to check with your doctor first.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
John, John, what do you reckon? Yeah? Yeah, no, okay,
Germans is I have to do it because she just
wants to see how this all plays out. You're going
to be you're holding my hair back if I'm.

Speaker 29 (01:40:15):
Following like the devil and the Angel on your shoulder,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
This is terrible. Okay, yeah, you know what I think. Goodbye,
Let's do it? Why not?

Speaker 14 (01:40:21):
Y yo?

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Loo?

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
Okay, I'm onto it with the doctor next week. See
you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
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