Full Show Podcast: 24 January 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Or it's Andrew Dickens on Hither Dupless Alan Drive.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
With one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
It'd be.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
As well good afternoons. You you've made it. It is Friday,
the twenty fourth of January. You've chosen our program and
we're very thankful. My name is Andrew Dickens and for
Heather drop Allen so on the program today. Diabetes. It's
been with us for a while and there's a warning
that numbers could get way worse. Is there anything we
should change? We'll have that story for you in two minutes.
David Seymour reckons that health should be privatized. Now what

(00:38):
would that look like and would it be any better?
We'll talk about this. Just after five wetter FX gets
OSCAR nominations for three films that's worked on. So how
excited are they in Wellington and Kurwey's big day? The
little town in Canbury getting ready for the biggest game
of rugby in their town ever. We'll have the sports huddle,
We'll have correspondence from around the world and around New Zealand.

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Speaker 2 (01:06):
It is eight f four Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
It is a State of the Nation season with Christopher
Luxon yesterday and David Seymour today and more and more
listening to the States of the Nation, I've realized it's
more about blue sky thinking. It's more about virtue signaling,
or what we like to call in the business the vibes.
It doesn't mean any of it will happen. So Christopher

(01:30):
Luxon said a lot of things yesterday, but mostly it's
about opening us up to foreign investments. And he mentioned
public private partnerships. So let's take a look at those, Shelley.
They're fantastic. I love the idea. The question is is
it deliverable? And the cold hard truth is that we're
not seen as an attractive option and that we're not reliable.

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So our last was for transmission Gully, and that is
proving to be troublesome and unprofitable for the overseas money.
Before that was the first iteration of Auckland's light rail.
This was the original six billion dollar plan by AT
and the only plan that had any semblance of cents.
A Quebec Sovereign Wealth Fund spent thousands of hours and

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millions of dollars preparing the arrangement for their investment in
this plan. We turned around and said no labour was
up for it. But the fly in the ointment was
New Zealand first. Now Winston Peters is still in government
and remains opposed to foreign ownership. So I ask you,
why would anyone overseas waste their money thinking about us

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while a naysayer like him still holds the whip hand
in a coalition government Today David Seymour spun some more tales,
and hidden in one was a question, would you like
us to scrap the public health system and make it private?
The government will give you six thousand dollars. You can
then go and choose the private healthcare you want. This

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is a very old idea, indep this is peak old
school act. Roger Douglas formed a party in the early
nineties and then he touted vouchers. Remember vouchers. You get
a voucher for healthcare, you get a voucher for education.
You go out and choose your provider, free choice for all. Now,
the problem with all of that is. First of all,

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in over thirty years, no one's ever gone for it. Secondly,
it's even more complicated than the public system, and poor
people either take the money and spend it on food,
or they take a voucher and end out with worse
care than the rich because the rich take the voucher
and top it up, which makes the system inequitable, which

(03:39):
is why it's probably not happened. And we know that
act don't like two tiers when it comes to race,
so why would they want two tiers in health when
it comes to wealth. So now, look, there is nothing
wrong with the vibes and on an ideological level, I
like a lot of it, but personally I prefer to
look at it with spectacles on and not rose colored lenses.

(04:04):
Near research from Otiger University has painted a grim picture
for the future health of Kiwis. It's about diabetes. They
reckon that more than half a million of us will
be living with diabetes by twenty forty four. That would
be a big number, that would be a ninety percent
increase on current numbers. So a Tiger University researcher, Andrea Teng,

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has been working on this study and so he joins me. Now,
hello Andrea Andrew. So this is both type one and
type two diabetes, that's right.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Yes, So we looked at the existing trends by age
and birth Cohort projected them out of the future. If
we carry on our current tradictory, that's where we expect
end up in twenty five years time, almost a doubling
and the number of people with diabetes in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Why are you projecting the numbers to be so high?

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Well, the numbers will be that high partly past population growth, No,
in the population getting older, but a bit chunk of
the increasing number of increasing prevalence of diabetes. So rhoacidiabetes
increasing over time, and that's largely driven by our visagenic environment,
by our food environment, and that's the part of the

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equation that we can do something about.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Okay, that was the question I was going to ask.
Is this because of lifestyle or genetics? So the genetics
we can't do anything about, but you reckon, we can
about the lifestyle.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Yeah, So it's associated with poverty, associated with obesity. We
ken address that. So that this Public Cupimisory Committee report
on the Food Environment talks about key news we can
take to address that, and one of those disco policies
thinking about taxes on sugary drinks sending price signals we're
going to support our children's healthy food consumption. That's one

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of the most evident based measures we have used around
the world. Something New Zealand hasn't got yet would be
huge and official in terms of preventing that's tied at
the top of the cliff.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Well, people like you and many other people who have
been asking for this sort of stuff to happen for
ages and it never does.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Well, I think it's the public we need to push
for their door. We you know, it's hard enough for
me as a mother to find healthy through for my kids,
but we have an environment that's not easy to see
our kids. Well, why can't we do something about it
as a population. We can restrict marketing and advertising sponsorship

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of you know, by unhealthy food and drinks that our
children see all the time. These are things that we
can address with a willing minister, with willing politicians. These
leaders will work and will be hugely beneficial for our house,
preventing the huge cost of.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
I was about to say, if we have half a
million people who all need medication, who are all ticking
over the money as they fight against this disease which
in half the cases is actually preventable. How come we
cannot convince the regulators and the people in charge that,
in fact it would save the money, which appears to
be the big push at the moment.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Exactly, this would be the first thing I would do
if you wanted to save money, isn't it You look
at prevention White House? What NCDs? What kind of disease
can we prevent in New Zealand? Some of the most
evidence based measures. We need to put them in place,
and we need to address food environment, and we need
to work with communities, and we.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Need Yeah, Okay, Andrew, thank you so much for your advice.
That is Andrea Ting, who is an Ottaga University researcher.
And you know I'm right. We've been talking about this
forever and no one ever wants to do it, but
maybe they do if you put some dollar signs on it.
It is four point fifteen. I feel like a fool today.

(07:38):
I've walked in with my orkandf CE T shirt on
my kit. I mean I feel great. I love the kit.
I bought it myself and I support the team and
all that, but I bore it because it's team shirt Friday,
and Darcy told me earlier in the week he'll wear
in his Feenix shirt, which he has. But now I
find that he's not going to be on air with me,
and so we can't have the clash of two kits.

(08:00):
Who will be with me? Jason Pine? Oh, he's a
Next supporter. That's okay, Jason Next?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Who will take the White House results and analysis of
the US election on? Hither Dupless Alan Drive with one
New Zealand Let's get connected?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
News Talk said b.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yes, News Talk said be it is four eighteen. So
I might not have Darcy who's got a nixt shirt on,
but I've got Jason Pine, who's got Next in his blood. Hello,
I tell are you I'm good? And you're not denying
it either, are you?

Speaker 6 (08:29):
No?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Well, I wouldn't be able to, I don't think. Although
there's a bit of blow and black in there at
the moment as well. With the way Auckland f C go.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
That was an amazing performance. You just saw the midfield
in the backs just there a wall. They are amazing
and they're physical and they're tough and they're.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
Bruises, they're all of those things. And there's a reason
why they're the best offensive team in the compet It's
just what you've outlined there. They are just very hard
to break down.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Auckland f C.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
And look, I'm making a great, great first of their
of their maide and a league season and law may continue.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Maybe TV is watching and learning and that'll be good. Eh. Yes, maybe.
Speaking about football, the big news over the week is
that Chris Wood resigned with Nottingham Forest. Now I would
have thought there would have been loads of people looking
for his signature after the season he's had.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
I think you're probably right, Andrew, which I think has
probably compelled Nottingham Forest to say, hey, with all of
these others sniffing about, I think we better tie this
bloke down. So they have for two and a half years,
taken through to May of twenty twenty seven, by which
stage he'll be approaching his thirty seventh birthday. This is
a great story, Andrew. As you know, he left New
Zealand's a seventeen year old to go and seek his
football in Fortune and it took him a while. He

(09:32):
played in a lot of teams and in a lot
of levels, but has found his level and is enjoying
a late career renaissance. I just wonder, you know, whether
in May of twenty twenty seven, as he approaches twenty
years overseas and is looking for a footballing swan song,
that maybe it might be back where it started in
the Blue and Black.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Maybe he comes home and finishes his career at Auckland FC,
not at the next.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
It depends how the two teams are going and who's
got the biggest check book. I suppose in a couple
of years, you.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Know, I was the Kings. I was sitting there going
what was the first team we had? We had the
Football Kings and we had the Football Nights and then
now we've got the aukandf S. But the Kings, I
remember going along to a lot of their games to
watch Winton roof Of play because he was in the
twilight of his career. So this is not a bad idea.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Well, let's see what happens. But I think at the
moment scoring goals for Nottingham Forrest and doing it pretty.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Well, pretty well, pretty well, Gosh, you're a hard man
to impress. He's on fire. There we go Okay, Now
we've got Australian Open semi finals today, We've got Djokovic
versus Verev, we've got Cinner versus Shelton. So I reckon,
if you went to the tab and put some money
down on a Sverev Shelton final, if it came to be,

(10:45):
you'd make a fortune.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
You would, and it would have to come to be
for you to make that fortune, and I just don't
see how it can. Sverev, I think, is a better
chance to beat Jokovic than Shelton is a beating Sinner.
Ben Shelton, twenty first seed's got to the semis that
haven't really beat anybody of note, certainly nobody in the
world's top ten. But he's there and you've got to
do that. I think his tournament ends tonight against Janick Cinner.

(11:06):
Djokovic Zverev is really interesting. Alexander vere has never won
a major. He's three each two finals, been in another
half a dozen semi finals, never won one. Novak Jokovic
going for his twenty fifth major. I reckon, Djokovic Cinner
is probably the final most people.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Would like to see. I think it's probably the one
we will see and then who would win that match,
because I hate to say it. I was watching Center
the other day and it was it was actually quite spooky.
He disposed of Dimonor like he was a child.

Speaker 7 (11:34):
Yeah, you're so right. He's imperious at the moment, isn't he.
And even Djokovic, he of twenty four major titles, I
think would be underdog against Yanick Sinner, world number one
defending champion. So look, I'd like to see it. And
you wouldn't put it past Djokovic to win number twenty
five in twenty twenty five, and I think Soiner would
be favorite.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
And one of the odds that Jason Plain could end
up being the post match interviewer at the Australian Open
since since since they all seem to be crazy over
there and.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Useless, I'll flip you for it.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh too tempting, all right, Betty, I thank you so
oh You've got to be listening a bit later on
because we're talking about that little town of Kurwee which
is hosting the Blues versus Canterbury. Looking forward to that?
Is that going to be great?

Speaker 8 (12:17):
What a glory?

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Okay, buddy, thank you for twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Text on the iHeart app and in your car on
your drive home, it's Andrew dickens on hither dupic Alan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
They'd be four twenty four ninety two ninety two is
a tech small charge does apply a lot of reaction
to David Seymore's ideas of privatizing the healthcare. He just
floated it out there in the middle of a sentence.
Just how about this is an idea. We just cut
the public health system. We have a private health system.
We give everybody six thousand dollars and you just go
and buy your own healthcare, because he says, that's how

(12:52):
much is spent per person in this country currently on healthcare.
So putting the power in your hand. So I got
one text that said yep, Seymour's onto it. Thank you
for your text, and then a whole lot that didn't.
American expat here look at the American system. Privatizing healthcare
is not the answer. It would be disastrous. Folks who
can't afford the doctor will go to work sick and

(13:13):
have lower productivity, getting their coworkers sick and lowering their
productivity too, or they'll burn through all their leave and
then go back to work anyway, so they can still
pay their bills. And that's just for the relatively minor illnesses.
Comes are far ways for the more serious conditions that
then go untreated. So yeah, someone else says David Seymour
doesn't seem to realize that Auckland, Wellington and christ Church

(13:34):
and Eden are all teaching hospitals and there's a large
number of junior doctors learning on the job in our
public hospitals and we need them and the private system
need them as well. And the whole thought about vouchers.
A text to John says, we've already seen the gouging
going through or going on with ACC suppliers in early
childhood when they are subsidized. Imagine the gouging from private

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healthcare providers. We would be in a US healthcare state
in no time. And I think the big problem with
our private health system like that is absolutely no democratic
accountability because you get the money, but nobody is overseeing,
apart from regulatory authorities the health system, so you can't

(14:16):
vote out a bastard who's got it wrong, which is
the whole thing about democratic accountability, isn't it. So we'll
wait and see. But like I say, I think the
state of the nations are, Hey, this is what we believe.
It's a branding exercise in the most place. Donald Trump,
of course active manned what the energize the energizer bunny.

(14:40):
He does get an awful lot done. And some of
the latest things he's done is release all the documents
related to the assassination of John F. Kennedy, of John's
brother RFK, and of course of Martin Luther King Junior, which,
of course, particularly when it comes to jfk K, but
also RFK. There's an awful lot of conspiracy theories. You

(15:02):
know what, were States state services involved? Was the killer
really on the grassy Knoll, et cetera. You'd think that
Donald Trump would already know the answer to those that
all presidents do know the answer to those. So this
is really intriguing. Is he releasing them because there's some
juicy stuff in there, or is he just releasing them
because he knows that everybody's curious. Well, ask Dan Mitchison

(15:25):
all about the JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King Junior files.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
At a moment, getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's
Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplicy Alan Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
That'd be.

Speaker 9 (15:56):
Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Thank you Andrew Dickinson for heaven Duc It's twenty five
to five. Sorry, a bit of fluff for you sitting
not fluff, what good? This is a little bit of fluff.
So I'm just sitting here in technical director and some
milicis comes running in all of it tis was And
he goes up to the TV and he retunes the
TV and I said, what are you doing? What's happening?
Is something going up? Is there a massive international emergencies

(16:17):
in the tennis matches about to start?

Speaker 10 (16:20):
Much more important than that, Andrew.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
And then he turns around and says, don't you watch it?
And then I go, well, hold on, what do you
mean don't you watch it? You're tuning it in so
I can watch it. Yeah, the warming up right now,
and this is of course Jokovic to this is rare
event and it's going to be a cracker of a match.
But stay exactly where you are and keep listening to
the radio. Please. Meanwhile, on the text bugg at the JFK,
RFK and MLK files what about the UFO files. Good point,

(16:43):
and wouldn't you know it. Just a few hours ago,
Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer went on x well formerly
known as Twitter, and wrote, now do UFOs. You may
remember that Chuck actually did some laws earlier. He actually
introduced some laws into the House saying, open it up.
It's all about open government transparency. And other people said,
you open it up and you find out about the

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UFOs and the world freaks out, and then they all
try to come to New Zealand to live because the
aliens are coming. So that's actually not a bad thing.
But you know, but there we go. Maybe maybe they'll
be listening and it'll be fun, and it'll be twenty
three to five.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Now it's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Keeping with America. US President Donald Trump's parade of executive
orders hit a bit of a speed bump, as predicted
on this program. A judge has blocked the president's order
to end birthright citizenship because frankly, it's unconstitutional. I think
it's the Fourteenth Amendment. The president says, hell appeal.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Obviously, will appeal if they put it before a certain judge.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
In shadow I guess and there's no surprises with.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
That, judge.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Okay. Our new poll has found that the pendulum is
swinging in Australia. This is the Australia Day debate. Should
they celebrate it? Should they not? According to the poll,
sixty one percent of Australians are happy to celebrate their
national day on January the twenty sixth, in the middle
of the Aussie Open, so they have to stop a game,
which I always thought was a bit weird. Apparently that

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figure is up from forty seven percent from two years ago.
So here's the Deputy Prime Minister.

Speaker 11 (18:14):
I mean, it's important, obviously that we are sensitive to
our history and to every Australian in the context of it,
but it's also right that we should celebrate our country
and the day on which we do this is Australia Day,
and I'm looking forward to this weekend to Monday.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
His name is Richard Miles. And finally time that's a
very tenuous link. I'm playing tiny dancer because they're talking
about a tiny thing. Scientists in London have created the
world's thinnest spaghetti and they've caught it nano pasta and

(18:55):
it's three hundred and seventy two nanometers in diameter, which
is a very very small and they say small enough
to pass through an electrical charge. I don't quite understand
that science. But there we are spaghetti. This thin is
obviously useless for making spaghetti Bolla days or as we
know it in this country, speke pol but the scientists
are hoping the same process could be used to make

(19:17):
thin fibers for dressing wounds.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Such a love Science International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,
Peace of Mind for New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Business to America. We go at the start of the
Golden Era, and Dan Mitchison joins us.

Speaker 9 (19:33):
Hell, Dan, I'm still trying to figure out the connection
between Tiny Dancer and that last story.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Bother me.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
No, no, you can give it. We see see our
accident here We say tiny Dancer, and you guys say
tiny Dancer. Okay, but tiny Dancer is very close to
tiny Pasta.

Speaker 9 (19:54):
What you're doing right there is or ants was doing
if he chose that is reaching right there.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah, but it's also close to It's also close to
Tony Dunza. Ho me close to Tony Dunza. The actors.

Speaker 9 (20:09):
Going down a rabbit hole.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, Donald Trump's order to stop birthright citizenship has been
blocked by a judge.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
Yes, it has, you know, and I'm willing to bet
this is going to be a long drawn out battle.
And it's interesting that, like you just heard that the
judge who heard this case and he was appointed by
former President Reagan, a Republican. Of course, he's you know,
he said he had been on this bench for over
four decades and he can't remember another case where the
question presented as clear as this one where he says,
this is blatantly an unconstitutional order, which is why he

(20:38):
blocked it, or at least temporarily. But you know, like
you heard the president say he's going to appeal this.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Oh right, well, he's going to appeal it. And he
kept on saying certain judges. And of course we all
know that Donald Trump has appointed certain judges to the
Supreme Court. So is that an indication that Donald Trump
has some favorite judges.

Speaker 9 (20:58):
Well, it is, but I think any time he says
certain judges, it also means people that have disagreed with him.
You know, he'll say certain politicians or certain judges, or
certainnes or certain that. So he wasn't happy, obviously with
this but you know, this is the fourteenth Amendment, as
you mentioned, and it grants automatic citizenship to anybody that's
born here. And if this goes forward, a lot of

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these kids who have been born here or who don't
have a parent who's here legally will be stateless, and
that means they won't be able to get a Social
Security number, and they'll be denied the right to vote,
or serve on juries, or run for certain offices.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Here's the thing for us New Zealanders. We know that
you think the Constitution is above all, above the presidents,
above this. It is above all. It is the document
of America. But we also noticed that when it fists out,
it had a few amanments, and now it has loads
of amendments. I think you're down to twenty five or
twenty six or something like that. There's lots of amendments,
so you can change the document. Why has Donald Trump

(21:56):
not tried to change the Constitution?

Speaker 9 (21:58):
I think it's not a matter of why why he hasn't.
I think he has and I think he'll continue to
try and do so over the next four years. And
the only for those who who oppose what he's trying
to do, they're going to just say, well, you've only
got four more years. So, as we mentioned a few
or a few days ago earlier this week, you know,
that's considered a lame duck president by many. That doesn't mean,
though that he won't be able to push through a
lot of what he's he's hoping to.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Push through pretty good. Because everybody is excited about the
release of the JFKRFK and MLK files.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Well they are.

Speaker 9 (22:28):
I think you're it's kind of a Pandora's box, Like
you mentioned, you do this. What about the UFOs though?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right?

Speaker 9 (22:33):
And I mean there's been millions and millions of pages
already of classified government documents that have come out on this.
I think something like ninety seven percent they said of
everything that they've had has has been released already. But
you know, Trump says, hey, he wants everything out there
in the open. He tried to get this done when
he was in office last time. The CIA kind of
pushed back. They had an appeal from them and the

(22:54):
FBI to keep some of the documents with health. So
it'll be interesting to see because we've got Robert F.
Kennedy he's going to be the Health secretary here and
his dad Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in nineteen sixty
eight too, So then you've got the documents on the
Reverend Martin Luther King Junior. And I think what this
is really going to do is just fuel more conspiracy
theories out there, as it has done for decades and decades.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
That's true enough, that's true enough. It goes tech Schumer.
As I mentioned before, I wants the UFO files to
be released. And you have to say there will be
a hunger after all the drones.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
Well, yeah, I think you would. But I think there's
people like myself that are a little bit more curious
almost about those UFOs than they are about some of
the other documents that the president wants released too.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Briefly, Oscar nominations, we're going to talk about this with
New Zealand nominees Nicks. Any surprises for you.

Speaker 9 (23:42):
Well, there are a few things. I think the fact
that you've got a lot of movies like you usually
do that a lot of people don't go see that
have been nominated for the Most Academy Awards. You've got
Amelia Perez, which is a transgender gangster who's escaping from
the mob that's broken the record for the most Oscar
nominations at least right English. So you've got Adrian Brodie's

(24:03):
movie The Brutalist.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Who got yeah.

Speaker 9 (24:07):
And then Demi Moore, who you know, was so big
in the eighties and then kind of disappeared, and now
she's become this this front runner for Best Actress, so
she got a Golden Globe earlier. And then you've got
the Awards show themselves that some say, with all the
fires going on in Los Angeles, why are we doing this?
Why don't we do something like a telephone or something
like this to to raise money for the people that

(24:28):
have lost their homes.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
From this nice point, enjoy the day, enjoy the weekend,
and I thank you for your time, Dan Mitchin the
time is now sixteen to five. We're going to look
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My trusty Lieutenant Sophie Trigger is there. But I have
seen photos and he's actually wearing the full suit and
tie today, which is probably the first time he's put
it on since journing parliament early or late last year,
even though there was the Labor Caucus. But of course
he was wearing shorts and jandles there politicians dress aside.
Listen that there will be a lot of people telling

(25:23):
you how important Ratna is because it's usually the start
of the political year. And though you can't see my fingers,
but I'm doing inverted commas right now. But we've, of course,
we've had such a eventful week that they couldn't be
further from the truth. We've had reshuffles, We've had States
of the Nations. That's plural, because there's been a couple
of them. We've also had caucus retreats. So it's been

(25:43):
an extremely involved political week, which means that Ratina is
not really the focus that it usually is. Yes, they're
going to be talking about the treaties Principal's Bill, but
I do get the sense at this stage that nobody
really cares that much anymore. The NATS have said that
they're not supporting it in second reading. There's going to
be a select committee process. Yes, there's been a lot

(26:04):
of submissions in US, but you think about the wider
public and the fact that this isn't actually getting through.
I wonder how many people are actually thinking about this
on a daily basis. It's an interesting question, but it's
going to come up, and it has come up quite
a lot at Ratina today, and it's a bit of
a precursor for Whiteitangi next week or l late next month.
Rather of course, we know Chris Luxon's not going along,

(26:25):
so he's not going to bear the brunt of that,
but it's still something that's going to be front of mind.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
You say, you wonder how many or everyone wonders how
many people are interested. But I can tell you whenever
we mention anything about the Treaty of White Tagi and
the Principles Act, we get a deluge of feedback here.
So while maybe maybe just a few people who feel
very deeply, there are still people that can't be ignored
and have a right to be heard.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh exactly.

Speaker 12 (26:52):
And that's what the select committee process is going to
It's going to show us over the next six months
or so. But it just comes back to the fact
that it's not a bill that's actually going to be
progressed any further Emparliament. It's going to have its second
reading and it's going to be voted down. I think
me people are more interested in things about the cost
of living, or law and order or various different things
like that.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, i'll give you that. And so to know, we've
got the Malori queen, and we've got Maori leaders, and
we've got of course political leaders. Are they much talk?
Is there much talk at this one or do they
save it up for white Tongey.

Speaker 12 (27:23):
Oh, there is always a lot of talk. There's speeches
from the pie from all the political leaders, only at
David Seymour, the only political leader that's not there. I
suppose this one's a little different in the sense that
all the MP's were welcomed at the same time with
the pulpity. Usually they sort of do the government ones
than the opposition ones, So I guess that there's some
forms of significance in that. But yeah, a bit of

(27:45):
a precursor to what we can expect at white Tonguey
next month.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, you mentioned David seymo who did his State of
the Nation speech today, which was very had a whole
lot of you know, blue sky thinking, and he asked
a lot of questions. Rather than stating this is what
we'll do, he said, how would you like it if
we actually private ties the health system and gave you
six thousand dollars so you could spin it where you'd like.
And there were a lot of questions that he batted
over to us.

Speaker 12 (28:09):
Yeah, well, I mean that's all you can really do
as an opposite, well not an opposition, but as a
non lead party in government. State of the Nation's speech.
It's a lot of sort of what if this, or
wouldn't it be nice of that? Sort of questions that
opposed and David Seymour, you know, he can talk about
these things, but if they're not in the coalition agreement,
they're just not going to get through. And essentially what

(28:29):
he could tell his supporters is these are the sort
of things that we want to be campaigning when we're
looking to get in government the next time around. But ultimately,
at the end of the day, Chris Luxon isn't going
to watch this speech and think, you know what, he's
got some good ideas I am actually going to further
privatize the health system. That's just not going to happen.
But it's a good way for David Seymour to sort
of stand out from the rest of the political crowd.

(28:50):
As I said, they're all down there there in Ratna,
and it gives him a lot of opportunity to sort
of speak on a home turf where he's not going
to get I would say probably heckled and jeered if
he was at Ratna. We've seen that happen before. Obviously,
the crowd is usually very respectful, but there are a
couple of moments when there are a few eyes that
are rolled and that sort of thing. So he gets

(29:12):
to say these things on home turf to people that
are actually wanting to listen to what he says.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Absolutely, and of course David's speech was then the Prime
Minister was in asked questions after his Latin appearance, and
he just battered them away, saying, well, it's not on
our radar and we're not talking about that right now,
So you know it is. It's booths guy thinking it's
floating stuff up.

Speaker 12 (29:32):
Yeah, exactly, And it was always going to be that,
and so it's just an our opportunity for David Seymour
to set out his vision of what he would like
things to be. I mean I could do the same
thing right now. We probably got exactly the same amount
of chance for happening with my ideas than his.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
O well said, and I thank you so much. Now
go away and have a weekend, because I know that
you've been doing extra hours for us, and I think
and we're very appreciative of it. Of that, and you
worked all summer on the talkback, So go have yourself
a week. In Jason Wall's out Political Editor, it is
now four point fifty two on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking
breakfasts mining.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
The Prime Minister mentioned that in his address Shane Jones
as the Resources Minister.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
We have an inordinately large dock of state. Much of
that dock estate is suitable for quirying and mining, and
we need to get over ourselves because if we want
deep surplus income, we should identify which areas are really
precious to the birth right of Kiwis and which areas
can be used for economic purposes.

Speaker 13 (30:32):
So you're talking about opening up stewardship land, which is
nine percent of our land area to mining as well
as dockland.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Dockland is already used. In some cases, stewardship land can
be made available not only for mining but for other
economic purposes.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Ryan Bridge on the mic Hosking Breakfast back Monday from
six am with the Range Rover Villain on News Talk's
head B.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
So there you go. There's Ryan and Shane talking about
mining on conservation lands. So obviously that is Shane Jones' attitudes.
And we do know that the Prime Minister said drill, baby, drill.
Well know actually the President said that, but he certainly
said it's time to get back into this whole business.
So there's a lot to talk about in terms of mining,
and we're going to talk about that next hour. We've
got oh no, sorry, just after six. We've got Joseph

(31:17):
the Dhalon who is stratera chief executive. And obviously they mine,
so obviously they're pretty keen to get down to work.
So we'll ask them about that. As the weather the
conservation land is available, could it become available and how
much is in there? And I want to ask what
they want to mine for? Is it hydrocarbons, is it

(31:37):
precious metals, is it coal or is it rare earth?
I mean, where is their potential? So we'll do that
just after six o'clock this morning. Text through Andrew, you
and the Prime Minister are the only ones working orcland
is dead quiet? Yes for the country, I have to
say it's orkand anniversary weekend. Monday is a holiday. Ryan
Bridge will be doing the Breakfast show, Andrew Dickens will

(31:59):
be doing the Drive show on Tuesday. My Hosking is back,
but it is fair to say that Auckland is dead quiet.
I also work on another radio station, Gold Great Rock,
and I went down to say hello to my mates.
There was no one there at one o'clock in the afternoon.
And I tell you this is the problem with this country.
We complained about our productivity. You get a long anniversary

(32:20):
weekend and Fridays are right off and so is Monday.
But the rest of the country is working hard because
it's not there. Well, actually it's about half the country
goes away as well, doesn't it because White Ketto and
everywhere anyway, everybody is working. I love your work and
we'll be back in a few moments time. We'll be
talking to dr Angus Chambers about David Seymour's privatization ideas

(32:43):
and could they fly.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Monday Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust

(33:28):
for the full picture. Andrew Dickens on hither duples see
Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Welcome back. Thank you so much for listening. My name
is Andrew Dickinson for Heather. It is now seven minutes
after five. There's been two games, Djokovic versus Verev, and
they've all gone on forever and it's it's deuce in
the third. This is going to be a long one.
Right Act Party leader David Seymour has done his own
State of the Nation's speech. Of course, he's not the

(33:58):
leader of the nation. It's his feeling of the state
of the nation. And he says we need to stop
being so scared of privatization, and he says we need
to seriously look at selling government assets that's also known
as asset recycling, and changing the way we fund education
and health. And here is some of what David had
to say.

Speaker 14 (34:18):
We're now spending six thousand dollars per citizen on healthcare
almost how many people would give up their right to
the public health care system if they got a six
thousand dollars contribution to private insurance. Perhaps we should allow
people to opt out of the public health care system

(34:38):
and take their portion of the funding with them for
that sort of scheme.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
That's David Seymour.

Speaker 13 (34:43):
So.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Doctor Angus Chambers is chair of the General Practices A
General Practice Owners Association, and Angus joins me. Now, Hello,
good afternoon, good idea, A bad idea.

Speaker 15 (34:56):
Ah, Look, there's a lot of work that needs to
go into that to make to see whether it is
an evidence based kind of policy. We know that it
happens around the world, transitioning from what we've got to
that has got some you know, pitfalls. Maybe there are
some pros, but there are some cons as well. So yeah,
we'd have to see what it looked like. It wouldn't

(35:16):
be completely against it. I think there are some efficiencies
in private run organizations, general practice being one of them.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yes, well, private run organizations in New Zealand do seem
to be operating at a higher level.

Speaker 8 (35:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (35:31):
Look, I mean there is a whole lot of stuff
with insurance based systems. There's a whole claim based bureaucracy
that needs to come into play. There's the profit element
that you know isn't there in the public system, but
perhaps efficiency trumps the efficiency gains trumps the losses that
you get from profit. So yeah, we're worth examining. But

(35:54):
it's not a completely obvious solution.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Here, and it means that health care is not democratically accountable.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
The way we've got at the moment.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
You mean, no, under a private system, while we provide
the money, we don't have any control over the operation
the actual outcomes other than putting in regulations.

Speaker 15 (36:20):
Indeed, and you know, certainly some insurance based systems there
are people who miss out because they're not ensurable and
they're not haven't got the money.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
To do it.

Speaker 15 (36:28):
So we have to be very very careful in anything
like this, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
You've mentioned before in your first answer that it's used
around the world. It is. It's used in Germany, it's
used in France, it's used in Switzerland, and it's also
used of course in the United States of America. So
does it work well well?

Speaker 15 (36:47):
I think if you're looking at the United States of America,
it works extremely well for some people who have got
all the resources they need, but it works very, very
poorly for a large part of the population. I think
the European models are probably better at looking at but equally,
if you look at high performing health systems around the world,
some of the Scandinavian countries would be at very near the.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
Top, if not the top.

Speaker 15 (37:09):
And they've got a publicly funded health system, so it's
not just a linear I've good insurance system, you do better.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
So you're saying the most successful systems in the world
are public and they're in Scandinavia, but also remember that
they have very high levels of government spending and income.

Speaker 15 (37:27):
But very high taxes too, very high.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Taxes where we go meanwhim, I mean, maybe it doesn't
work in America. I can see many people saying that.
So we could adopt something more like Germany, France or
Switzerland and it could work here.

Speaker 15 (37:40):
Yeah, look, I think it bears examining. I wouldn't claim
to be an expert on that, but you know, if
it's successful and delivers a great care across the population
and we don't have significant people missing out on it,
but it would take you know, we haven't got a
setup for this at the moment. We certainly have got
private healthcare delivery, but it doesn't do the whole suite
of healthcare. In fact, a private system relies on our

(38:03):
public system to be the most complex of surgeries and interventions,
and if something goes wrong in the private system, it's
not uncommon to have to transfer across to the public system.
So we don't want to weaken that and lose some
of the great healthcare that we do provide in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Doctor Angus Chambers, a chair of the General Practices Owners Association,
I thank you so much for your time today. Enjoy
your weekend. It is twelve after five Andrew Diggins. The
government is having a party. They're celebrating hitting its KPIs
five years early. When it comes to reducing the number
of people in emergency housing hotel motels are by seventy

(38:40):
five percent. They gave themselves five years to do that.
They've done it already. They are now just under six
hundred households in emergency motels. And Dama Portaka is the
Associate Housing Minister and joints who now Hello, Hello, Tama.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
Hey Kiday, Why how are you today?

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I'm very well. You've beaten your own target by five years,
so it was the target too easy.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Look, I think that there are a lot of key
wes doing it tough out there in housing, not only
those that have been living in motels, but there's a
real serious housing crisis out there. We've worked hard at
focusing on achieving the target, which we thought was a
challenging one, but one we could really commit ourselves too.
And I think true the hard work of many officials,
a bit of political leadership, and some pretty diligent decision making,

(39:24):
we're able to reach the target. But now there's a
question of maintaining the target, maintaining where we're at, and
also dealing with the bigger emergency crisis out there.

Speaker 16 (39:32):
How did you do it well?

Speaker 8 (39:35):
We were really careful and clear about eligibility for people
to go into emergency housing. That was one of the
steps that we took, so been absolutely clear about who
is eligible to get into emergency housing and making sure
it's for a genuine need to the right question to ask.
The second thing was that we provided a lot of
support around housing brokers and navigators and others to enable

(39:56):
people to come out of emergency housing, but also for
those people that might fall in to keep them out
of emergency housing, so that it was a variety of
products that we could help house and support products help
people stay out of emergency housing. The third thing we did,
which was massive, was really focusing on comittocky or children
and ensuring that they were prioritizing the social housing witless.
So as there were thousands of children in emergency housing

(40:21):
when we came into administration, we said, hey, children's a
big focus. We've got to get tomodikey out of motels
and hotels dank ones, get them into a stable situation.
And as a result of that decision, we're able to
fastrate children and their families out and now two thousand
plus children have come out of emergency housing since we
took office.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
But critics say, you check them out of the motels
and you don't know where they are now? Is that true?

Speaker 8 (40:45):
That's very unfair and deliberately confusing. We actually arrived and
we knew where about fifty percent of people we're going
at that time when they left emergency housing. Now we
know where there are about eighty percent of people going.
There are a number of people we don't know where
they're going. People don't have to tell US, but we
do know where about eighty percent of those exiting emergency

(41:05):
housing are landing, whether or not it's social or transitional
fifty five percent or private housing maybe about twenty five
twenty six percent. What we also are very very happy
with is in a number of tamitique again that have
come out of emergency housing. We've got a couple of
other ideas that are currently in play. We've really focused
on tomit Key. Now we've started up a bit of

(41:26):
a programm singles in couples without tamidikey, those that have
been in there for a very long time two or
three years, and trying to get them out as well.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Good Saftia Portaka currently I'll have to know I thank
you so much for your time today. It is now
nine to sixteen, and we're very excited here because it's
a Friday and we like to do good news stories
on a Friday, and there's a good news story coming
out of Wellington and we know that Wellington's been doing
it tough and once again it comes from WETA who
have had a fantastic day. More on that in just
a few moments. News Sok Sibei. It is now eighteen

(41:55):
minutes after five. So Djokovic Zverev in the semifinals have
been for half an hour now and they just completed
the fourth game. This is a mighty arm wrestler's tool. Meanwhile,
on the other court, not wrong en rolled labor. We've
got Aaron Rault Lift the New Zealander competing in the
women's doubles semi final and her team is ahead four
to three with a serve to come. So look it's

(42:17):
looking good for a key we in an Ossie Open final.

Speaker 9 (42:20):
Right.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
The Oscar nominations came out today. Our own Wetter FX
has nabbed three nominations for the film's alien Romulus Better Man. Now,
that's the Robbie Williams one where Robbie is played by
a monkey and speaking of monkeys, also Kingdom of the
Planet of the Apes. Now they're all up for awards
for visual effects work. The Oscars are set to play
take place in Hollywood. The date the third of March,

(42:42):
and the head of VFX at Wetter is Matt Aiken,
who joins me, now, how am Matt, Hi?

Speaker 16 (42:48):
Yeah, what a great piece of news to wake up
to this morning. Three nominations in the possible total of five.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
So.

Speaker 16 (42:59):
Just an incredible testament to all the hard work that
the team's been doing here over the last year.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Took us through the work that went into these films.

Speaker 16 (43:08):
Yes, so one by one Kingdom of the Planet of
the Apes. There's a lot of digital visual effects work
involved in creating these entirely cg ape characters. What distinguishes
Kingdom is that it's several generations after the last episode
in the series, so there's a whole new cast of

(43:28):
Ape characters, so we had to build them all from scratch.
We get to work with new actors doing the reference
performance for these characters, and we got involved in a
lot of simulation work as well. Another real great skill
that we've developed in the last few years is digital
water simulation work, so we can create very natural, realistic

(43:48):
looking water. So when we've got a digital orangutan character Raka,
who has fallen off a bridge and is hanging on
for dear life in these rappids with water all swelling
around him, his furs all wet, his fur is being
dynamically moved by the water. That's all simulation work that
we're doing that looks incredibly believable, and I'm sure people

(44:10):
are just lost in the peril of the moment and
not thinking, Oh, I really like the way that that
water simulation probably took up a lot of brisk space.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Well, that's that's the trick, isn't it? So that it
doesn't look like a special effect. It looks like reality.
And I guess your monkey, your monkey work served you
well with the Robbie Williams film Better Man and then
of course Alien. I mean, gosh, that must have been
a dream come true to do a film like that,
because it's always been great. What I would like to
ask you, though, in getting this recognition, how important is
it for New Zealand films to get this And is

(44:41):
it good news for the Wellington economy.

Speaker 16 (44:45):
I would like to think it's it's fantastic news for
the Wellington economy. You know, we we're over two thousand strong,
most of whom are here in Wellington. It's it's very
highly technical work, highly artistic work. It's very satisfying work.
I think we make it make a great contribution to
the Wellington economy. But we you know, we tucked away
here at the bottom of the Pacific. We we have

(45:07):
to work extra hard to to attract the work down here,
and the best way that we can do that is
by delivering work of the highest quality. That's that's our
calling card. That's that's what gets us the repeat work
on on series of films like the Apes films.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
And.

Speaker 16 (45:25):
So equality is what is is what's going to continue
to to be our you know, our main, our main
calling card. And the fact that we've got these three
nominations today determined by the Academy, you know that this
is the people who are making these nominations, are determining

(45:45):
these nominations. Are the leaders in visual effects in the world,
you know, the three hundred and fifty odd members of
the Visual effects branch of the Academy, that's who's nominated us.
And so that they think that we're doing the best
work in the world is it is just fantastic news
for us. And if one of these three films ends
up picking up the Oscar itself, that will be like

(46:06):
the icing on the cake and we'll have our seven
the people from the company who are actually named on
the nomination list, they will be dressing up on the
taxedos on the day and going to the ceremony in
Hollywood at the Dolby Theater and if some of those
people get to go up on the stage and pick
up an oscar, that will be a huge moment for

(46:27):
us here. We'll all be watching here in Wellington, We'll
all be popping champagne.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Call of course you will fantasic and thank you so
much for your time today. Matt Matt Aikin is the
head of VFX at wetter And if we call them
after coming, if we call them after they win the Oscars,
we have to call them before they hit the Governor's ball,
because then they'll be in no state actually to give
us a decent interview. It is a five twenty three.
It's Talks b.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Porting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's Andrew dickens on Hither dupless Alan
drive with one news, Let's get connected and youth Talks.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
They'd be by twenty six. So I was reading the
Herald the other day and I started reading the classifieds.
Classifieds another reason to keep papers, by the way. Anyway,
I was reading the classifides and I looked and then
I was shocked to see how many liquidation notices they
were there. There were more liquidation notices than death notices
and frankly that's saying something in the town's bigg as Awkland,

(47:23):
and I thought, gosh, that's a stark illustration of just
how tough times are. And in the gun being liquidated
Northland sand blasters, development companies, hospitality businesses, quite a few builders,
a car Valley operation of car Valley, and loads of
individuals who obviously have hit the wall in our hard times,
all falling victims to all the different factors that we

(47:44):
know about. Inflation, high interest rates, cuts in government spending
has hit them as well because that's taken away bread
and butter contracts, particularly in building and contracting. I saw
Damien Grant's name pop up a lot because he's a liquidator,
a famous liquidator, and that's a business that's booming. New
Sealing liquid nations are at very very high levels, according
to stats released this week, much higher than the GFC.

(48:05):
Many of the businesses being wound up are being liquidated
by the IRD. That's because the id's attitude is pay
your taxes or die, which is a warning to anyone
going into business. We just had the winding up as
well of Obco, that's the electric motorbike maker out of Turninger,
who had a contract with Australia Posts. They seemed like
they were totally on a success path, but they needed

(48:26):
more capital, and in their rapid growth, apparently they became
top heavy with management. And I thought about it all,
and I thought, God, how hard is it in business?
How hard is it to go from being a starter
to being a small business, and then to go from
being a small business to being a medium business, and
then if all the gods are willing up to being
a large one. There are so many pitfalls in the

(48:47):
journey of a business, and many great ideas fail despite
their strengths, and therefore it takes special talents and very
special people to navigate their way to success. And frankly,
many think you have the CEOs and politicians we have
have never had to travel this path. They've been pointed
into the role. They haven't traveled the path of growing
a business from startup to longgoing success. And that's why

(49:11):
all the success stories of all the businesses that make
it and that employers are so precious. So I thought,
I just wanted to take the time right now to
thank the business creators who take the risks and avoid
the failure. You are the heart of a successful country.
I take my hat off to you and I thank
you Dickens. So in a moment we're taking you to

(49:33):
kerwe A west of christ Church, home of the South
Island agricultural field days, population one thy, one hundred and eighty.
It's a little town on the Waimakairi and it's about
to have a very very big day. We'll have details
for you in five minutes time. The sport's huddled today
as well as coming up and it's still going with
Serve in the Australian Open and I'm Andrew Dickens and

(49:55):
Heather's on maternity leave and Ryan's doing the show next
week from Tuesday.

Speaker 14 (50:01):
We can go forever till you losten.

Speaker 17 (50:05):
It out.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Moving the big stories of the day before.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
When it's Andrew Dickens on Hither Duples see Alan Drive
with one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It'd be what.

Speaker 15 (50:20):
Take come.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
When do we go.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
De Welcome back twenty three to six. So after my
little comments Andrew, we just need to loe of the
Texans of New Zealand. We also need to spend text
money way more focused and we want to make it easier.

Speaker 16 (50:44):
To be here.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Thank you for your texts. Right now, someone says, who
rauh small business? Two thumbs up? I agree. Someone else
gets all philosophical mate, it says great business will survive,
but dreamers will not. Meanwhile, look we're about to do
a quite a bit of sport. Just wanted to make
one little serious point here. CO governance, of course, is
still pretty unpalatable to many. And I learned today that

(51:08):
Rotarua EWEI will regain a seat on the Rotarua Council
table this year. But there's a big difference and that
the councilors or whatever we call them, will have no
voting powers, so that EWE will control a committee that
they elect themselves, So there's a bit of democracy in there.
The committee can then do all the research and come
up with our ideas and then present them to the

(51:30):
full councilor and their ideas about other council things at
the council meeting. But anything that then comes up in
any decision that will be made will have to be
approved by the democratically elected representatives of Rotorua. So Ewi's
in there, but no vote. So I'm malordly happy with this. Well,
the decision apparently has thrilled one to a EWE leader

(51:50):
who hopes it will help to Alowa's vision for the
next quarter century be realized. I think he's just happy
that he will be heard.

Speaker 16 (51:56):
So here we go.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I just wondered if that was a model that tackles
thorny issue that might possibly make all sides happy. Twenty
one to six Andrew Dickens, Okay, this is great. I
love the story. The town is Kurwey, population one thousand,
one hundred and eighty. It's just west of christ Church.
It's currently gearing up for the biggest game in the

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town's history. The Blues and the Crusaders are playing a
preseason game in Kirwey in a week's time on January
the thirty first. The game's already sold out. Close to
three thousand fans will be in attendance. Can I remind
you of population one thousand, one hundred and eighty, but
there'll be three thousand at the ground. Blair Jones is
Kirby rugby club president. He's been driving to Kaikoda today

(52:40):
and he joins you, now, hey, Blair, how are you?

Speaker 15 (52:43):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (52:43):
You going?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Andrew?

Speaker 4 (52:44):
You're right, I'm good. This is massive.

Speaker 18 (52:47):
Oh yeah, that's pretty exciting for the club. Yeah. No,
everyone's pretty pumped for it.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Where are you going to play it?

Speaker 19 (52:55):
Hey? Sorry?

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Where are you going to play the game?

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Ah?

Speaker 18 (52:59):
Hey Kurley?

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Yeah no, no the ground? What ground are you going
to play on? The on the field? Day's ground? What
ground is it?

Speaker 18 (53:06):
Courry domain? Yep?

Speaker 4 (53:08):
All right, have you got a grand stand there?

Speaker 18 (53:13):
I've got a few grandstands set up. We're going to
have a truck and trailer for our members and uh
yeah and our sponsors.

Speaker 9 (53:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Really realize made of course that most of the people
in New Zealand don't know about Cooey and don't know
what you are. So you're building the grandstands, you're building
the ground stands.

Speaker 18 (53:29):
No, No, we're actually using some local from the other
local clubs plus the a MP grounds. They've got some
stands there we're using and we've got our own stands
as well. So yeah, so that's pretty pretty mainly standing room.
But yeah, no, we'll have a grandstand on that for them.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
And you're putting the members on the back of a truck.

Speaker 18 (53:45):
Yep, a curtain sider yep. No, we're going to have
a bit of area for them so in our sponsors,
so that'll be good.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Okay, three thousand tickets is to sellout right there. You know,
there's twice as many people at the ground and there's
normally in the town. So that's amazing. Is this the
big financial boost your clip? Oh it is yep.

Speaker 18 (54:02):
Yeah, no, it will definitely help us get a bit
extra money for some other stuff for junior rugby and
seniors and stuff. Definitely.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah, So you get what the crusaders are organizing this,
so they get they get the lion's share of the money,
but you get a cat.

Speaker 18 (54:15):
Yeah, we'll get we'll get a bit of a cat
and yep, we'll make a bit of money off the
bar and stuff and yeah, and the Lions are going
to do the food, so they're going to get a
bit of a bit of the food stuff.

Speaker 19 (54:24):
So that'll be good.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
It's nice to see another town other than Kourou in
the South of Ireland South Island actually getting getting some pressed.
So how important is rugby for the people of Kowi.

Speaker 18 (54:34):
That's pretty pretty big.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yep.

Speaker 18 (54:36):
That's the main sort of thing in kowe as the
rugby as uh, you know, all the locals play there
and yeah, no it's good.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
And is the field and tiptop shape? Because these are
world leading athletes. How's the groundskeepers work?

Speaker 18 (54:48):
Oh, anyone's been doing a great job for us?

Speaker 9 (54:51):
Yep?

Speaker 18 (54:51):
No, he's been flat out watering and uh yep, the
field will be pretty top notch. I'd say, who's going
to win? Different than the Crusaders.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I don't even know why I asked that question. Blair, Blair,
knock yourself out, have yourself a great time and a
big step in the back, and congratulations to you and
all the people from Kowe.

Speaker 18 (55:11):
Thanks very much.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Eighteen to six.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,
local and global exposure like no other.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Back.

Speaker 17 (55:30):
He's overrated, no back kicking in.

Speaker 12 (55:33):
I feel like broadcasters should be helping us grow our
sport and help these athletes who.

Speaker 20 (55:38):
Just won matches on the biggest stage enjoy one of
their biggest moments.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
The last thing you want, is supply is thinking, actually, well,
I'm going to leave school at fifteen and to go
to Australia play NRL or whatever it is.

Speaker 21 (55:51):
I think it's just we've got to be really thoughtful
about eligible team.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
All right, Just get into a sports huddle out of Friday.
We've got Elliot Smith, our dip G sports news director
and Lavina Goods are sports journers. Hello people, afternoon yep,
get an nice to chat with you. Hello, Hello, How
good was that Kurwe story? Eliot?

Speaker 13 (56:12):
Oh, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Look.

Speaker 13 (56:13):
I know my sister or her husband have got tickets.
They got the months ago. They live in West Melton,
which is about ten minutes drive away from Kerwei, So
there's some of the two thousand extras that are coming
into Kerwei for the afternoon, and no doubt they'll have
an afternoon out. I know it's special to see rugby
go to these regions, whether it's pre season or season itself.

(56:35):
I don't think we do that enough in New Zealand.
It's the heart but you know, the heartbeat of the
game here, and so the more we can do to
connect with those regions, I think the better.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Well, the Crusaders are getting them a couldn't they give
them the whole gate?

Speaker 13 (56:50):
Quite possibly? You know, three thousand people times whatever they
get paid to get in ten bucks or twenty bucks
or whatever it might be, is probably not going to
be too much skin off the nose of the say
his mind, you they're not getting Richie and Wanga back,
so maybe they need to get the money in when
they can.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Okay, Elliott's just brought up the elephant of the room,
Levinna Richie Mulwanga. Why do you think Razor didn't get
Richie back? I mean, or who was it? Was it
Richie didn't want to come back or we couldn't get
him back? What do you reckon?

Speaker 22 (57:19):
I think the big question actually is did the All
Blacks need Muwanger? And that's a big fact, yes, without doubt.
I mean, body Barrett's getting a bit old and Mackenzie's
really not making the cart at the moment. And at
this stage the way it stands, even though Razor was
saying we'll get him back, it doesn't look like he'll
be available till mid next year, which will be far
too late. I think for the All Blacks it's just

(57:39):
a bit ironic. Maybe in July next year. This year, sorry,
he'll be playing for an invitational fifteen against the Lions
as a warm up where the All Blacks will play
against France.

Speaker 15 (57:51):
I guess you know.

Speaker 22 (57:51):
The other thing is do I want Richie Moorenging to
play for the All Blacks. Yes, I feel sorry for
him earning six million dollars playing for Japan for three years.
Not should New Zealand Rugby change its rules if they
want the All Blacks to be successful in twenty twenty five,
probably yes, we need more Onnger you should be here.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Well yeah, okay, But then again you could have another
question is can we open up selection overseas?

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Well why not?

Speaker 22 (58:14):
In a way I think that might be the way
forward if it means that we're losing players that we
need to actually be successful at the moment without a
significant first five, the All Blacks will absolutely struggle. It's
thirty three year old Boden Barrett at the moment that
is the incumbent first five and that's not going to
make it internationally, I don't think for the All Blacks.
So whether or not you know you can open up
the dollar books and the money books, or whether or

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not you can welcome some players from overseas if you
want to make a difference. If the All Blacks want
to be successful and back to being the very best
in the world, changes need to be made.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Elliot's watched every single wall Blacks game this season.

Speaker 7 (58:49):
So what do you think.

Speaker 13 (58:51):
Look, I think the time is coming where they're going
to have to seriously look at these rules. I know
they want to protect Super Rugby as much as possible,
and that's under standable, but to my mind, it's almost
more of a detriment now that you're having this will
Richie Muonger, Willy you know, Willy Wonti come back sort
of scenarios. Now the Crusaders or which she ever team

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he signs for, don't know who's going to be there.
Whereas if he goes to Japan is earning all that
sort of money, at least you know he's out of there.
He's not going to be playing Super rugby. Yes, it's
a loss for the competition, but you don't have that
thing of asmong here this year, as the on sabbatical
is as already here as the on sabbatical. So it
would clear that up to an extent. And it also
takes a lot of the financial pressure off New Zealand
Ruggedy in a way because he's earning a lot of

(59:34):
money abroad. They would have to play all Blacks fees
and various things like that, but they would contribute I
think a lot less than they would having him back
in New Zealand. So I think the trainer is coming
to the station pretty soon for New Zealand Rugby to
make a call in some way, whether it's captain, maybe
it's a couple of players you can slip from abroad,
but I think it ultimately it's looking like a battle
they're probably going to lose.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
And as Levina is on the sports Tuddle and we're
going to continue in a few minus time and we're
going to talk tennis, and we're going to talk cricket,
and we're going to talk sailing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
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Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Very good and Elliott Smith. This is the Sport's Huddle.
I'mandrew Dickens. It is five all in the first set,
and that first set has been going for an hour.
This is Djokovic versus Verev. Got an hour just to
get through ten games. This is going to be massive.
This is great tennis this year, Elliott.

Speaker 13 (01:00:28):
It has been absolutely and I think when you take
out Rafao and Nadal, Roger Federer and the men straw,
there are a lot of questions around the future of
that and perhaps not having a star around Djokovic to
challenge him. Well, there's been plenty of that have stepped up,
haven't they. Yarnick Cinner obviously has been there been, Shelton
very very promising, Zia is there thereabouts. So I think

(01:00:49):
those contenders are beginning to emerge across the sport, which
is really very exciting. And then the women's straw, you
know Serena Williams retires a couple of years ago, or
egis Fiontek step up again, Arena sublink here, and then
your other players that are coming through as well. So
it's been a great tournament so far. There's been obviously
headlines off the court, but in terms of the tennis
it has been outstanding. And you know, as you say,

(01:01:12):
this could be a match that sort of goes through
about ten o'clock tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
I hope so, because I'm working until seven. So Lavina,
here's the thing. Novak called out Tony Jones, Ben Sheldon
called out all the court side interviewers. Were they justified?

Speaker 22 (01:01:27):
I actually wasn't offended by John Fitzgerald's comments in reference
to Shelton. I didn't find them offensive. I thought they're
quite colloquial and patriotic, and I just look, the thing
is for me, And I don't know, I don't know
if everyone agrees with this andrel and Elliott, but the
thing is for me. The problem is, it's not just
with tennis broadcasting. It's a trend to have exports people
become journalists and interviewers, and there's a real art to interviewing.

(01:01:51):
The best interviewers in the world don't try and be
funny or what people will make it about themselves, and
exports people really haven't been trained in the art of
asking a decent question. So maybe there's a lesson to
be learned that you don't just have an ex player
or someone that has been really, really really good on
the court that might just be a really really good interviewer.
The art might get someone in there that asks a
decent question, I think in future, and that's where I

(01:02:14):
think the issue is for some of these players, they're
feeling offended by some of the comments where the ex
players are trying to be funny and colloquial, but in
the end, really it just comes down to asking a
decent question because where the listeners.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
We're the viewers.

Speaker 22 (01:02:26):
We want to hear the responses from the athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
We don't want them offended.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
We don't want to watch amateur tennis players, so why
should we listen to amateur interviewers after a game?

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Cricket, the Super Smash is a fantastic product, but not
enough people overseas are watching it and the thought is
to try and get some teams into the Big Bash
in Australia, which of course we do that with all
sorts of sports, whether it's basketball, whether it's football, and
it's been a great success. So should we do that, Eliot,
Absolutely we should.

Speaker 13 (01:02:52):
It should be the first thing on New Zealand Cricket's agenda.
The Super Smash is fine for what it is, and
comparing to the Big Bash is fraught because they're too
different things. Ones a franchise competition, the others are very
much a provincial competition. But it's the natural comparison that
people make and the Big Bash blows the Super Smash
out of the water. The production values are higher the
crickets beta that the players are of a higher caliber.

(01:03:15):
So it happens across any number of sports. We linked
with Australia were stronger together. When it comes to sporting competitions,
I think getting at least one New Zealand team in
there would rise the standard of New Zealand cricket. You
could still have the Super Smash underneath it as a
feeder competition into the New Zealand Big Bash team. But
I think the franchise cricket train is continuing and you

(01:03:36):
look around the globe, there is four or five going
on at this point in time. Right now in January,
You've got to join or you're going to be left
behind in New Zealand cricket. Need to do it asap.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
And Lavina last question for you, should or complay anything
to get sale DP back.

Speaker 22 (01:03:50):
Well, twenty five people turn up to watch it and
it cost a million bucks to run in. Five million
dollars was injected into the community in the economy, so
that's a really good thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
It's a great event.

Speaker 22 (01:04:00):
But I don't know if rate page should really wear
were the cost or even taxpayers if you think about it.
I mean, we talk about snow sports being canceled with
you know the X Games and the Winter Game has
been canceled in the South Island do we have to
fork out for that? It might just come down to
the fact to approach more supporters and corporates to support
these events. I don't know if the rate page should

(01:04:20):
fork out for it, but they're great events and it's
it's wonderful to watch. I just don't know if we
can afford to fork out when we've got to pay
for roads, good, pay for education, pay for health.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Yeah, but if you had a restaurant down and CBD,
you just go yep, yep, yep, yep, and then yep.

Speaker 9 (01:04:35):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Hey, Lavina, and and thank you so much for your
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Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
HB, New Talks HIBB. This tennis is pretty hard and
pretty hot. Four minutes to six. So Shane Jones was
on the radio this morning and he was saying, drill, Baby, drill.
And we know this anyway. We know he's always believed
in it. He says, his untapped wealth there and why
are we cutting our nose off to spite our face,
et cetera, et cetera. He says something interesting in which

(01:05:14):
I still don't quite understand. He said, we should be
able to drill on stewardship land or mine and explore
on stewardship land, which is land that is under the
stewardship of the crown. But does that mean conservation land?
But I think that's Shane Jones being very clever and
using good words and certainly making it known to everybody
that if there's a bit of land that could be

(01:05:35):
drilled on or mined on or looked on, we should
look on it. So let's talk about drill, baby drill
with Josie Verdaal, who is the chief executive officer of Strettera,
And they're in the in the field. Obviously they want
to start looking around, poking around for stuff. What sort
of stuff do they want to poke around? That's coming
up afternoons?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well you got together and drill.

Speaker 17 (01:06:00):
The Dasney please Kesey, When.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
What's up? What's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
What with a major calls and how will it affect
the economy? The Big business Questions on the Business Hour
with Andrew Dickens.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
News talks at me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Wow, that was good timing. Welcome back, loving to have
you here. The first set is over Australian Open. It's
taken us what an hour and fifteen.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
Minutes, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
They're hugging legacy the end of the game. What's happening here?
What's happening here? Answer? Is Djokovic quitting? Okay, so Severev
just took out the tie break seven five, and then
they're just embraced and Djokovic is actually packing up his

(01:07:19):
bags and it appears as though he has forfeited and
retired from the game while I was talking. While I
was watching, Sverev look shocked. Sverev shocked as well, you, sir,
are finally in the final of a major. Congratulations. But
we'll find out more about what actually happened to Novak.
But later on it had been a hell of a set.

(01:07:40):
It wasn't as though he was physically struggling. But he's
waving goodbye to the Australian Open crowd as we speak
and walking off after one set which he lost by
a milimeter. What a great player, Novak Djokovic. Okay, So look,
welcome back to the program. Such excitement news as it
breaks it is after sex and Imandrew Dickets. So the

(01:08:01):
mining sector is welcoming a push for mining to play
a bigger role in the country's economic growth. Resource Minister
Shane Jones has hinted at changes to where we can mine,
saying we can expect a major announcement next week.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
We need to get over ourselves because if we want
the surplus income and the revenue, we should identify which
areas are really precious to the birthright or qiwis and
which areas can be used for economic purposes, including mine.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
He mentioned stewardship land. I mentioned before the news what
is stewardship land? Is it conservation land? And Texas have
said stewardship land as the land a region has gifted
to dock. So essentially it's private ratepayers land that is
in transition and is being under the stewardship of public entities.
But he's saying we should do this, but we'll know

(01:08:50):
more next week. Josey Vidal is the chief executive officer
of strat Terra. Now that is the association representing the
mining sector, and welcome to the program. Jose thank you
very much.

Speaker 19 (01:09:02):
I'm a little bit thrown by what you just said
about Jokobit so because I'm a big fan.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Are we all?

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
He's the goat. He's the goat, and there was no
clue and something that happened. Look, you must be pretty happy,
not at what happened to Novak, but what has happened
since Christopher Luxon's State of the Nation speech and what
Shane was saying this morning.

Speaker 19 (01:09:24):
Yeah, and Minister Shane Jones has been a real champion
for the industry. You know, he gets it, he understands it,
and he's listened to us, which is good to have.
And the Prime Minister is a businessman and pragmatic and
he understands that mining is a productive part of the
economy and it can contribute more to economic growth. So

(01:09:46):
you know, loosening a bit of the red tape and
enabling some overseas investment and showing some optimism towards mining
is going to help with economic growth.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
I don't think anybody doesn't understand the fact that mining
can help. It's just that they're quite prepared to forego
the money because they love our landscape.

Speaker 19 (01:10:05):
Yeah, and there's a lot of misinformation about what mining
does and doesn't do. And obviously, you know, we won't
have time to go into the whole infinance of stewardship land.
But there's a lot of belief that, you know, somehow
mine is taking over the conservation of state.

Speaker 7 (01:10:21):
That's not true.

Speaker 19 (01:10:22):
And there won't be mining in the Pristine National Parks
or any of the parts of the conservation of state
that are important to New Zealanders. That just doesn't happening.
So it's a bit of misinformation around some of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Well, I'm getting it down in the Commander where they
say the Corimandal Forest Park might be affected, in that
there are licenses already granted or at least interest licenses
of interest already granted to Australian companies.

Speaker 19 (01:10:46):
Yeah, and Minister Jones is doing his big announcement about
mining next week in why he and there's a reason
for that because in that Hiraki region mining contributes nineteen
point three percent towards GDP. People in that area understand
the value of mining. A lot of them work in mining.
They see the money from mining going into their communities.
It doesn't really matter where the companies are owned, because

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a lot of companies owned in New Zealand, not just
mining companies, by overseas interests. It's the people working in
those companies. They work in New Zealand. They're not like
Australian miners. They don't fly and fly out. They live there,
that kids go to school there, they contribute to the community.
Minings are really highly paid job and so there's plenty

(01:11:30):
of money going into those communities.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
What should we be looking for, you know, should we
be looking for hydrocarbons or should we be looking for
precious battles, Should we be looking for coal, Should we
be looking for rare earth minerals, or should we just
be looking for anything?

Speaker 19 (01:11:44):
So we should be looking for what the world wants,
and the world does want a lot of the minerals
that are going into technology and energy, so some of
the liffy and cobalt, copper, that sort of thing. Also
the rare earth elements and some of the minerals that
we do have here, so we're already mining some of them.

(01:12:07):
Primarily we mind gold and coal. And it's worth noting
that gold, the gold price is very very high, and
in the last year it's gone up over fifteen hundred
dollars an ounce in New Zealand, and there's a reason
for that. Because it's money. It's safe money when there's
chaos in the world. So we have gold, we have,

(01:12:30):
and the minister's announcement will be where there's gold mine
and you know, don't overlook gold is important in the
mineral's story going forward.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
How does the rest of the world react when a
government backs our mining industry versus when a government puts
the kibosh on it?

Speaker 19 (01:12:48):
Well, this is so fascinating because this is my daily
bread and I get calls from lawmakers and other countries,
and I've met with some from other countries as well,
and also from investor in other countries, and they're very
excited about the past track legislation. I think we'll see
some companies some countries follow that. And you know, obviously

(01:13:11):
if the government's backing an industry is attractive to investors.
There is actually a global scale that shows how country's
policy and laws make mining investments attractible or not. We
had dropped to the bottom of that scale, but we're
moving back up at which is really encouraging.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Well, we can't wait for what's a going to happen
next week. Joseph Adale from Satira, Chief executive officer. You
might want to hang on the line and have a
listen because I've got some tennis news for you. So okay,
well yeah, okay, so here we go.

Speaker 19 (01:13:41):
Thanks for your time.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
It's a pleasure. So Novak Djokovic pulled out after the
first test in the Australian Open semi final, so of
course the first interview goes to Alexander Severev and here's
what he had to say just moments ago.

Speaker 20 (01:13:53):
The very first thing I want to say is, please, guys,
don't player when he goes out with injury he has
I know, I know that everybody paid for tickets and
everybody wants to see hopefully a Grade five set match

(01:14:16):
and everything. But you've got to understand, Novak Djokovich is
somebody that has given the sport for the past twenty years,
absolutely everything of his life.

Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
And he.

Speaker 20 (01:14:31):
He he has won this turn with an abdominal tear.
He has won this turn with a hamstring tear. If
he cannot continue a tennis match, it really means that
he cannot continue a tennis match.

Speaker 23 (01:14:40):
So please be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Respectful and.

Speaker 20 (01:14:44):
Really really showed some love for Novak as well.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
What a classy thing to do. Alexander Zverev, who was
sweating like a pig has been working hard airs. He
was as shocked as anybody and he knew exactly the
right thing to say. How I'm classy from the Australian
and crowd who has booed the goat unbelievable News talks
here be crunching.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
It's hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS
insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
News talks at B.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
It is eighteen minutes after six. This is news talks
here B. I'm Andrew Dickins. Let's wrap up the political
week with Political editor Jason Wolves. Hello, Jace Good, evening.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
What a week?

Speaker 15 (01:15:32):
What a week?

Speaker 12 (01:15:33):
I mean, that's somewhat of an understatement. Usually the start
of the political year, and I hate that phrase, but
to use it, it usually starts today at Ratna. However,
we've had a whole summon's worth of stories in the
space of a week, and that culminated with or that
started rather with the demotion of Shane Retti from Health
Minister and the ascension of Simeon Brown to Health Minister,

(01:15:56):
which a lot of people might have been looking at
this and watching and thinking that's a little bit of
a head scratchy.

Speaker 18 (01:16:01):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:16:01):
Shane Nevathi was seemingly doing okay in that portfolio. He's
a doctor himself and he just seems very earnest. However,
the Prime Minister did essentially conclude that they just needed
somebody with a little bit more political nouse in that role.
So cometh the man, cometh the hour, cometh the man,
and that's where Simeon Brown fits into this. And Audrey
Young put it extremely well in a column this week.

(01:16:23):
She said that Simeon Brown was a bit of the
butt of the jokes of the opposition for a long time.
There was a phrase that they used to all bat
around a rare misstep by Simeon Brown, and she said, well,
no one's laughing now since he's well and truly proved himself.
But he's got a heck of a job to turn
around the health, the whole health sector essentially and really

(01:16:45):
start making that getting some results there for that and
making it. You know, Chris Luckson has talked in the
past about how there is enough money in health. There
just needs to be a new focus on how to
get health outcomes. So Simeon Brown is the man to
that job. It's a notoriously hard portfolio. I mean I
think back to the labor years. They had David Clarke

(01:17:07):
in there before he was sacked as well. And so
for anybody to think this is going to be a
walk in the park, even for somebody that's talented politically
as Simeon Brown, you might have another thing coming.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I think Simon's great strength is that he doesn't complicate issues.
He gets a very simple rep on it and he
sticks to it, and that often is the best way
to get to do things, you know. I think Shane
Letty used to get a little bit confused because he
looked at too many details. But there we have it.
In the week we also had the State of the Nations.
There was a couple of them and they set off

(01:17:38):
with the Prime Minister's task to grow the economy.

Speaker 12 (01:17:41):
Yeah, I mean that's right. We've had a few people's
perspective of the state of the nations, and then we've
had the opposition responding to the state of the nations.
So nobody should be any sort of everybody should be
wise on what the state of the nation is. Chrystal,
I mean these things you know, of course, the government
of the day is going to say things are better, but.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
We will aim to do more.

Speaker 12 (01:18:00):
You know, there's a little bit of a sort of
a spin job, if you will. So the Prime Minister
gets up and says, we need to grow the economy. Well, yes,
of course we need to grow the economy. You're not
exactly novel for saying something like that. But what he
did do is he laid out a couple of areas
in which he was thinking about progressing this. For example,
the big talking point is in mining and saying, you know,
we're not going to open up conservation land, but there

(01:18:21):
are there is areas in this country where we can
get into mining to grow the economy and make us
all richer. And I think that that's going to resonate
with quite a few people. I mean, yes, conservation mining,
there is a memorandum on that essentially across the political spectrum.
For the most part, nobody wants to do that, but
this unproductive in various other ways. Land that can be

(01:18:43):
used for mining, of course, have at it is the
Prime Minister's essential thrust there. And then we had David
Seymour today talking about and hold on to your hat,
folks more privatization if you can believe it from the
leader of the ACT party, and he's had some pretty
interesting ideas here. But the difference is with the Prime
Minister State of the Nation and ACT David Seymour. The

(01:19:03):
Prime Minister's one's a lot more official. It's the things
that they're actually going to do, whereas David Seymour's is
sort of almost like a wish list on things that
you would like to do. Yes, he's pushing for these things,
Yes she would like them to happen, but there's no
way that the Prime Minister in the government is going
to let what ACT wants to do to the health sector,
for example, in terms of more privatization actually happened because

(01:19:25):
they have this little thing called the Coalition Agreement that
they had doing here too. So two very different speeches,
but two very similar styles.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
I would say thank you so much. Jason Walls, our
political editor. And the time is now six twenty two
and now we don't know what happened to Novak Djokovic
other than he retires, so we will bring those details
when they come to hands. It's news talksb.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's ridiculous. With
the business our on newstalks, itb.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Corunting. The tennis number is more like it in six
twenty five. So no Vak Djokovi has sensationally retired after
the first set of a semi final against German Alexander Zaverev.
They duked it out for eighty minutes. It was awesome tennis.
The German clinched the first set and a tie breaker,
and then from out of nowhere Novak. Quite there was
no sign in the retirement was coming. Novak seemingly moving

(01:20:17):
well through the first set. Shaverev was asked and he
seemed to be injured and he went no, I thought
it was pretty high level tennis, and it was. Novak
had his thigh heavily strapped after appearing to heard it
in the quarterfinals, so there was that, but he didn't
take any medical timeouts or receive treatment throughout the set.
When he did retire, members of the crowd booed him

(01:20:39):
as he left the court. John McEnroe said, unbelievable of
cursing that at the top of his voice. He said,
that is shocking. He was so close to winning that
set and yet he pulled out. Others added we thought
we're looking at a four or five hour cut of epic.
But Novak turned to the umpire and said I'm done.

(01:21:00):
Where was full class and said, don't boo the man,
he's the goat. And now we wait to find out
more on what actually happened there. I am looking at
one blog and log site that said Novak realized he
was going to lose to Sasha and that Sinner would
then obliterate him in the final. So thought I've had it,
I'm out. But I don't think Novak Jocobit is that

(01:21:21):
kind of man. I don't think he would do that.
He would fight to the very very end until there
was nothing left him, until he was a little puddle
on the court. He would go hard, hard, hard, But
not this time. We've had a text from a former
employee at the show who now works in Australia and
was at the game and it's spent three hundred and
fifty dollars to get a ticket to be at the

(01:21:42):
game to see the greats and she was so excited
just a few moments ago because she was watching Novak
Djokovic and then he pulled out Well.

Speaker 10 (01:21:51):
That employee has specified that they did not boom.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
They were not wanting.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Of course, Look can I just say I had a
cancer battle and Helen had a cancer battle, and to
reward ourselves. So we went to the Australian Open, and
I know this is about five years ago, and we
bought semi final tickets and we were very excited because
Roger Feeder was going to play. And then we watched
it and Roger Feedder came out and there was a
light show and there we were. He was playing some
Korean guy and wouldn't you know it, the Korean guy

(01:22:14):
pulled out after one step because he had bisters on
his feet. Nobody boomed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on
News Talks EV.

Speaker 19 (01:22:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Next, thank you for choosing us today and all through
the week. I've had a great time. I hope you
have too. It is now twenty four minutes to seven,
text through settle down Andrew. Not everybody likes tennis, it's true,
but an awful lot of people do. And this is
a very big story. Indeed, And in fact, just a

(01:22:58):
few moments ago, Novak Yokovic fronted up to the priests.

Speaker 23 (01:23:02):
Well I didn't. I didn't hit the ball since our
curs match, so until like an hour before before today's match. Yeah,
I did everything I possibly can to basically manage manage
the the muscle tear that I had, and yeah, medications

(01:23:25):
and I guess the strap and the physio work helped
to some extent today. But yeah, towards the end of
that that first said, I just started feeling more and
more pain and it was yeah, too much too I
guess to handle for me at the moment. So yeah,

(01:23:46):
unfortunate ending, but.

Speaker 18 (01:23:49):
I tried.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
I guess you did. It was a hell of a
match until it wasn't. It is now twenty three to seven, Dickens.
Let's go to Asia. Peter Lewis joins us. Hell are Peter, Hello, Andrew.
Let's go to Donald Trump and China. So how is
China reacting to the Prison's threat that he might put

(01:24:13):
a ten percent tariff on China as early as the
sun of next month, which is early days away.

Speaker 21 (01:24:19):
Very calmly so far, and in fact, they've said very
little about it, other than their vice premier, who was
speaking at Dabos earlier in the week, was saying that
there will be no trade, no winners in a trade war,
and that was repeated by China's Ministry of Finance. They
did say they would look after their own interests, but
apart from that, they've really said nothing at all. And

(01:24:41):
I think there's several reasons for that. The first thing
is actually Donald Trump hasn't put any tariffs on anyone
just yet. He's threatened to, and clearly we'll have to
see what happens on February the first, and everything could
change then. But so far these are just threats and
a lot of people think that maybe this is a

(01:25:02):
tactic to get countries that come to the negotiating table.
But also there is a feeling that so far China
is coming out of this quite well. Donald Trump seems
to be saving the worst of his threats in his
if elsewhere. If you remember back in the election campaign trail,

(01:25:22):
he was talking about sixty percent tariffs on China from
day one, the first day he was in office. Well,
so far all is talked about is ten percent, and
they're still not there yet. And this is less also
than the twenty five percent is threatening Canada and Mexico wins.
So there is a feeling that he's backtracking a little

(01:25:43):
on China. He doesn't really want a trade war, and
he would rather find a way in which he could
do a deal, and the only way. The numbers we
are talking about here are not huge. China's trade surplus
with the US last year was about three hundred sixty
billion dollars. Now, even if Donald Trump imposed ten percent

(01:26:05):
tarots on that, and even if you assume China responded
in kind, Chinese GDP over the four years will be
about one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars less. So
that's thirty two billion dollars a year. When you take
into account that China's economy is about eighteen trillion dollars,
you're only talking about a loss of zero point two

(01:26:28):
percent of GDP. So these numbers aren't enough really to
get China excited, and they're not likely to make a
huge difference even if they were to come to pass.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
And of course the tariffs will be paid by Americans
for who will have to pay a higher price for
their products as opposed to China actually having to pay it.
But I did actually talk to a Republican strategist during
the week who said the thing about Donald Trump You've
got to remember is that he's a businessman, and when
it comes to negotiations, he starts high, but he often
ends out low or even sometimes no, we're it all.

(01:27:00):
So you're quite right. It's the opening salvo, and well
done to China for keeping calm so far. But meanwhile,
in the battle between China and America, we've got the
whole issue of TikTok. So where are we at with that?

Speaker 21 (01:27:14):
Well, this is interesting because TikTok and now appears to
be key to doing some sort of trade deal. As
we know, they've been given us a seventy five day
reprieve from having the law which would have forced them,
basically forced Bike Dance the Chinese owner of TikTok to
divest it and either sell it to an American owner

(01:27:35):
or be banned. Now sort of, Trump is of the
view that somehow America has ownership of this or should
have ownership of it. He talks about a permit that
in effect, Bike Dance needs a permit to operate in
the US. Without that permit, TikTok is worthless, and therefore

(01:27:56):
the US should have fifty percent of Dance. Now, it's
an odd way of thinking because of course, you could
argue that's true of every single company that operates in
the US. They need ultimately government permission to do so.
But nevertheless, he seems to feel that there is an
ownership issue here, and that for Chinese media companies to

(01:28:17):
be able to operate in the US they need to
be able to have some sort of deal with the
US government. Now, of course, you could say, well, China
would never allow this in reverse, they would never allow,
for example, Google under complete American ownership to operate in China,
and it doesn't indeed. But nevertheless, maybe there is a

(01:28:39):
deal that could be done here that encompasses a number
of things together. It could resolve the TikTok issue. And
China seems that even there has softened its approach. It's
always in the past said it would never allow TikTok
to be sold. It's now saying that this is a
matter for the company and it should be left basically

(01:29:00):
as a business decision. So the deal could perhaps involve TikTok,
it could include tariffs, it could include export controls, and
maybe even in some sort of dream scenario for Beijing,
even US policy towards Taiwan and the South China Sea
could be thrown into this all encompassing deal that Donald

(01:29:21):
Trump does with China.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
And here's the thing who might buy it?

Speaker 21 (01:29:26):
Well, that's interesting. He's mentioned before Elon Musk. Elon Musk
is a little bit peeved at the moment because he's
already started to complain about the fact that x Twitter
isn't allowed to operate in China and therefore there isn't
a level playing field now. In the past, he's always
been very very careful about criticizing China, so this is

(01:29:49):
quite unusual for him. And nevertheless, he is a supporter
of Donald Trump. Oracle has been mentioned. Larry Ellison is
also a supporter of Donald Trump. But there potentially could
be several companies certainly big enough to be able to
strike a deal and would have the money to do this.

(01:30:09):
And TikTok is a very valuable asset. It's valued at
maybe something like thirty billion dollars. It's got one hundred
and thirty million US users, So certainly there should be
companies that, if they were allowed to, if China agreed,
could do a deal there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
It's also got an awful lot of American content creators
who make an awful lot of money from it and
awfully peeved about the fact that they might have their
income cut. So we wait to look at that. And finally,
Donald Trump and Jesionping as she had a chat on
the phone this week.

Speaker 21 (01:30:40):
And do we know what they talked about, Well, they
say in their readouts that they spoke about a lot
of issues. They did talk about TikTok, they talked about trade,
they talked about fentanel, which is the reason why Donald
Trump is imposing these ten percent tariffs on China in
the first place. And again there there's reason to be
optimist stick because the readout from both sides was quite positive.

Speaker 19 (01:31:04):
On this call.

Speaker 21 (01:31:05):
President G said that you know, they can work together.
He wants to do everything possible to wait and make
the world peaceful and safe that he can work with
President G on that. President G said after the call
that they both hoped for greater progress on US China relations,
and Chinese State TV also painted a positive picture of

(01:31:28):
the call. The one red line really and the one
warning that was made was that the US has really
got to take the Taiwan question with prudence. That's what
Genwil News agency said there. So clearly China is laying
out where its red lines are. But all the vibes
from that call tend to suggest the gain that there's

(01:31:50):
a bit of a thawing of relations. It's not as
bad nowhere near as bad as maybe people feared during
the election campaign. And perhaps they're moving slowly through all
sorts of back discussions, which for sure will be going
on now towards some sort of deal.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
That is a very good point. People get very energized
and exercise about Donald Trump, and many of their worst
fears never come to pass. So Peter Lewis from the Asia,
I thank you so much for your time today is
accorded to seven. One final word on tennis, and then
I'll shut up about tennis completely. And the other match
happening not on Rod Labor but on another court. New
Zealander Aaron Rautliffe is competing in the women's doubles semi final. Surprisingly,

(01:32:32):
her and her partner lost the first set when they
were ahead of break, but they lost that one, but
they've won the second six three, and the third is
underway and this is news talks here b In a moment,
we're off to Europe. Gale Downey is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
With US, everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The
Business Hour with Andrew Dickins on News Talks V.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
It is now twelve minutes to seven. Good texts from Lionel,
who points out Andrew in nineteen forty USA ago Japan,
end of nineteen forty one. We hear Pearl Harbor and
that's right when you poke the beer. The beer bites Beck.
It is living to seven. Gal Downey joins us now
from the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
How are go?

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Hello, Hi there, You've got a pretty bad storm hitting you.

Speaker 24 (01:33:17):
Oh yes, it's life threatening storm. It's red warnings which
are the most serious, and it's hitting the UK with
millions of people being urged stay at home. The hardest
hit places are going to be Northern Ireland and parts
of Scotland. And as to say, it's red warnings that
have been issued which means a danger to life from
winds gusting up to one hundred miles an hour, So

(01:33:40):
schools in Northern Ireland are going to be closed, bus
services canceled, Belfast International Airport is warning of significant disruption,
and the supermarket Tesco has said it's closing its stores
today and all home deliveries will be canceled the Irish
in the Irish Republic, they are ext did have what's

(01:34:01):
going to be the worst storm of the century, so
all ferry operators across the Irish Sea have been canceled
and obviously Dublin Airport has been affected as well well.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Okay, now, speaking of supermarkets, Sainsbury's is cutting three thousand jobs.
So what's the story then.

Speaker 24 (01:34:18):
Well, it's cutting the jobs, is also closing its cafes,
pertisseries and pizza counters. And what it's saying is, look, look,
we want to simply find the business. We're going to
make a twenty percent reduction in senior management roles with
the job losses as well as the closure of the
cafes and say cafes, per tisseries and pizza counter because

(01:34:40):
of a particularly challenging cost environment. Now, this is a
second batch of job losses at Sainsbury's. Last year it
announced fifteen hundred jobs will go It recently, however, announced
annual profits expected to be in excess of one billion pounds.

Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
Unions say the business should be a shame for cutting
jobs while making millions of pounds in profits, and industry
experts believe this will be the first of many cuts
as retailers deal with increased costs as a result of
tax increases.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
It's hard times. It's hard times all over the world.
We have similar complaints about our supermarkets here. But when
you're talking about margins and when you're talking about costs
as large as supermarket operators, a million pounds is nothing, really,
it's not actually a huge profit at all. So you
need to really get through I get that. Let's do
some real estate news because Adele, the singer who's you know,

(01:35:34):
earned a bit of a slowdown right now having done
some incredible concerts. But Adele has been accused of sabotaging
the sale of a house.

Speaker 24 (01:35:42):
How now, this all has come about in a planning
application put forward to the local council by the owner
of the property.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
So she rented this property for.

Speaker 24 (01:35:56):
About six months and while she was there, she didn't
interview on TV. This is back in twenty twelve, and
in the interview she said, actually the property is a
bit scary. Really, it's all quite scary. I'm not rattling
around here on my own.

Speaker 6 (01:36:14):
It gives me the creeps, is.

Speaker 24 (01:36:16):
What she said about it. So in the submission to
the planning authority. The owner wants to convert it into
instead of just one big mansion, wants to convert it
into three units and a separate cottage.

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
And he says the reason is is.

Speaker 24 (01:36:31):
Because the comment by that Adele negatively impacted future marketing
efforts and continues to affect the property's reputation to this day.
He said, after fourteen years he's only ever had one
prospective buyer who pulled out after hearing about its haunted status,
although she never actually used the word haunted.

Speaker 8 (01:36:51):
No, no, anything.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
There are some people. I don't know this because you
like the Gothic in England, and there'll be some people
who go, woar a house that haunted Adele? I want
a piece of at.

Speaker 6 (01:37:04):
Do you think you bought the price that it could be?

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
It could do all right? And I thank you very much.
And that is Gale down here, who is reporting out
of the UK. Of course, the big story out of
the UK was the sentencing of the stockpork killer, the
Taylor Swift stabber, and I was reading about that today.
My god, that man was a psychopath and the injuries
he inflicted on kids was shocking, so shocking in fact

(01:37:30):
that the Guardian and other newspapers chose not to even
report them, and the victim impact statements are horrific. So
the man can't be given a full time life and sentence,
but he's been given a fifty two year life sentence.
And I know that there are many people who have
actually said, many reasonable people have actually said, if ever

(01:37:50):
there was anyone in the UK who deserved the death penalty,
it was this person. There's a lot of other people,
of course, also talking about his radicalization by ISIS. He
was reading their books, he made some ricin etc. He
used techniques and stabbing that had been informed by the terrorists.
But I actually think this person is extraordinarily unhinged, a

(01:38:13):
psychopath of the worst order. Just a horrible story. It
is six minutes to seven News Talks f B.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Whether it's Macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duples, Cy Ellen and
Maas Insurance and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect Your Future,
News TALKSV.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
News TALKSB in Rostering News. Monday is an anniversary day
for Auckland, so Ryan will do the Breakfast show. I
will be back for the Drive Show after that. Mike
Hosking is back on Tuesday. I'm going to move to
early edition and Ryan moves to drive. But then the
next week is white tagging week, and Micha will be
exhausted after eight whole days of working, so he's taking
them Friday Bridge. So on Friday week, I'll do the

(01:38:58):
breakfast show and then and everything will be kind of
normal until Heather comes back from having a baby. Man,
So what are we going to play out?

Speaker 10 (01:39:05):
This is brand spanking new Andrew just out today, Not
Your Man by Teddy Swims. Teddy Swims has been getting
hits all the way through last year with the Door
and the other one that I've forgotten the name of
right now helped me out in beg hit anyway. Yeah, yeah,
so this is the His released a new album today.
Actually it's a it's a part two to his first album.
They both called I've Tried Everything But Therapy, but this

(01:39:26):
one's called I've Tried Everything but Therapy Part two and
this particular song is called not Your Man, and I
think it's going to be a hit. I think this
one's going to hit the top ten as well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Dowsey World of Grave. Next, he's got Dave Worsley Live
from The Australian Open to talk about what the hell happened.
I'm Andrew. I hope you enjoyed your week. I loved it. Hey,
great time. See you Monday. Thanks to producer Laura and
ant Oh and Kenzie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
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