Full Show Podcast: 24 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spiths to find the real storygory. It's
Heather Dupascylan Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected
news talks that'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Paul Goldsmith was
making some good and then also some really strange changes
to voting rules. He'll explain after five. Nikola Willis on
the calls for the Reserve Bank chair now to follow
Adrian or out the door, and should the politicians give
up their private health care while they're in power? Heather
Dupericy Allen, So, I'm heartened by where we've ended up

(00:35):
on this gnarly issue of transgender inclusion in community sport today.
This hat, I think we can all see the potential
to get pretty ugly and be pretty hurtful to some people,
but it hasn't gone there. Instead, we've taken the politics
and the culture wars out of this, by the looks
of things, and we've ended up in a common sense place,
which is trusting adults to work through these issues themselves. Now,
if you haven't followed the back and forth on this,

(00:56):
I'll just bring you up to speed. Previously, the situation
was that sport New Zealand, who are in charge of
all of the sports Sport new Zealand published some guidelines
during the last labor government, and they didn't specifically. These
guidelines didn't specifically force community sports to include trans athletes,
but they made it pretty clear through associated commentary that

(01:16):
that was the expectation trans athletes would be included. New
Zealand first then hit the election campaign arguing against that
they were threatening to They were basically owned completely the
other way, threatening to withdraw taxpayer funding from sports that
did include trans athletes. Where we've ended up today is
a middle ground. The guidelines are gone, there are no

(01:37):
expectations one way or the other. There are no threats
of funding cuts. It is now up to community sports
themselves to decide what to do. This is how it
should be, because it should actually be a decision made
by each individual sporting body, because different sports should approach
this differently. I mean, netball, for example, can probably make
a very good case that including trans athletes trans women

(01:58):
poses little to no physical risk to CIS women who
are playing. But boxing is a completely different story. Boxing
should not let trans women box against SIS women, So
it's different for every sport. Now I'm sure there are
going to be some sporting bodies who will be unhappy
about this decision because they will have no rules and
no guidelines and no one else to blame for the
decision that they ultimately have to end up making. They're

(02:20):
going to have to make these tough calls themselves. But
that's life, and if today is anything to go by,
maybe actually they can make those tough calls without the
rank orps and the culture war carry on that we've
seen in some other countries. And actually credit to us
for doing this today and ending up in the right
place with the decorum that we.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Have ever dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nine two ninety two is the text number standard text
fees apply. Now Give a Little says it has shut
down multiple fundraising pages for guards and citizens because of
money laundering concerns. Ten tens of thousands of dollars that
are meant for Palestinian aid are now locked with at
least four pages shut down due to operational risk. Mike
Seawright is the founder of Relief eight. He still has

(02:59):
an active give a fundraiser for Gaza and he's with us. Hey, Mike, hi, Heather,
how are you very well? Thank you? Why have these
pages been shut down?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, we're only looking at this from an external perspective, Heather,
but it looks like Give a Little concerned about where
the end use of the funds will be. And while
I wouldn't like to comment on the individual cases itself,
because we haven't been following those in many respects, that's
a good question and a question certainly we ask ourselves

(03:27):
if you look at it from a charity perspective, what's
important to us and what's important to our donors is
that when they give to us, we know exactly what's
happening to that money. And we do this in our
case by making sure, in the case of Gaza, that
when our trucks roll out with water, our teams are
sitting on those trucks and making sure it gets to
the people that we actually intended to get.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
And it is our team.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You are actually being You're taking the money from New
zealand you're putting it into the water. The water is
getting to people in Gaza.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Exactly, and that's I think this is one of the
fundamental questions that Give a Little has is how can
if we're doing peer to peer giving, how can you
guarantee that what you're giving is being received in the
right way at the other end. And there are other issues.
Of course, there's legal and compliance issues that also go
with that, but ultimately giving is good and giving responsibly

(04:21):
is also a critical part of that action.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So I'm a little bit confused though, as to what
their reasons are for locking these pages. I don't want
to cast any aspersions on these pages, but are they
concerned about money laundering? Are they concerned about people being scammed?
Are they concerned that some of the money is making
its way to come asked? Do you know?

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Well, I don't know. To be completely honest. As a charity,
this is a question I think that Give a Little
can answer. But as a charity, these are questions that
we raise in our own space when we're dealing with
our banks, for example, who ask us questions like can
you control your money? Do you have systems and processes

(05:00):
it ensure it gets to where it's intended? Do you
know what's happening on the ground? Both the problem, but
are you managing the solution? And I guess I go
back to this idea that our team are sitting on
the truck's delivering aid where it's needed most so that
when people ask us donors, banks or otherwise, when they
ask us, where did our money go?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
How did you.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Make sure that what we intended happen, we say, well,
we physically saw it. And I'm guessing when give a
little looks at these pages, they are asking first of all,
that question, you know, is it helping in the right way?
They're also asking questions around are you being swindled? Is
there some you know dodgy cause how do you validate that?

(05:43):
And asking some questions around that. I'm only reading between
the lines looking at the public commentary on this. And
then they're also fulfilling their legal requirements. And this is
not to defend give a little, but nonetheless they are
operating in a very similar space to us and saying, look,
we've got legal responsibilities here that we're not funding terrorism

(06:04):
or other any other element.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Mike, how are you getting water? And if the borders
are shut as tightly sealed as they are in the
idea is controlling things to the extent that they are well.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
This was one of the big changes we made through
as the war in Gaza progressed. We had initially brought
food across the border from Egypt. This became very difficult,
in fact very long as well. It took us seven
weeks to get our first truck of food across the border.
At the same time, we were doing water distributions in Gaza,
sourcing water from inside Gaza. So this means we take

(06:38):
the water out of boreholes where we get the money
the water, I should say out of boreholes. It goes
into our trucks and goes out to families inside Gaza.
So we're not crossing any borders. So what did this
allow us to do? Even when the borders are closed
as they are right now. Really, Fade's able to turn
a dollar in New Zealand into water, to a dollar
in New Zealand today into water Gaza tomorrow because everything

(07:02):
happens within Gaza itself.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.
Mike see Wright, founder of Relief Ate. Fourteen past four
So the adrian Or email has come out. This is
the email that we were talking about yesterday. What's happened
is two weeks before adrian Or suddenly resigned, adrian Or's boss,
Neil Quiggley, emailed a staffer at Treasury and said I'm
sorry that Adrian lost his cool with you this afternoon.

(07:25):
Your question was not surprising and he should have been
able to give you a more dispassionate answer. So this
is looking very much like confirmation that the whistleblower was
in fact correct. That Adrian or did in fact swear
in a meeting with Treasury, which is presumably what this
apology email was for. And then he did swear in
a meeting with Nikola Willis, and then his boss Neil

(07:46):
emailed him a list of bad behaviors, and then he quit.
There is more on this. Bearwith quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's the Heather to Bussy allan drive full show podcast
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Speaker 2 (08:01):
Right, well, Darcy has forgotten his headphones. Here he is
with me.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
No, no, no, no, I forgotten my headphones. This should
be provided as a workplace necessity. I'm blaming somebody else
and here comes and you.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I have just witnessed my headphones on.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
I've never experienced that twenty five years of right, oh my.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
This is a lovely producer and has been reduced to
coming in plugging the headphones in for Darcy and then
putting them on his head whilst I was grossing while
he rants rants at us and it's you chocolate fish for
you later on spectacular anyway, So tell me, listen, I
think that we've ended up in the right place with
the Sport New Zealand transgender guidelines. What do you think.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yes, people might go surprise because they now almost workers
the next time. That to me, to me, this is
this is great. This is no overreach from the government.
There is the government saying you make your own minds up.
We're not going to do it anymore. It's none of
our business, really, and it isn't so good on them
for doing that. And I think taking off of the

(09:07):
website some of their guidelines is probably not great because
I think their guidelines were a good idea. They weren't
mandated guidelines. Let's consider this. Consider that when you make
your decisions, you know that you know that that's what
the guidelines are.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
The guidelines. The guidelines were a very strong indication to
Sport that they needed to include transgender athletes. And if
you don't believe me, go and read Railing Carlos Castle's
comments around it when she released them. It was very
clearly designed to be inclusive, but.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
It wasn't rubber stamp you have to follow these guidelines
take them out them? Well, but couldn't they just say
these are still guidelines.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Have a read.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
It might be helpful. Isn't a situation here with transgenders
so difficult?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
It need like this is the thing you don't need
to publish for people on your special website how to
do something. It's already out there. You just ask chat GPT.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
It sounds like you're a student.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Complaints I get from my one about chet you've got, Dawn,
I'll tell you they're all doing it. I think it's
a good thing though, that the government's going to fly
and in each different organization can work out what they
want to do. Mike Kester is going to join us
on the show this evening. He's the boss of participation
at a community level for New Zealand Rugby Planning. It's
big for them. What does this say about what they're doing?

(10:26):
How does this affect them? What have they put in place?
What have they learned in this time? I know I've
along with ants the most majestic producer in the world.
He puts people's headphones on. Have both been He's actually yeah,
she declined I was just about to say, we're both trying,

(10:47):
but like you're you're the boss, So I rang up
and the morning bro, are you chasing Raylen?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Declined but never mind, what was the line? We've said
everything we want to say in our there's nothing else
to say, so Lisa's yeah, Wow, who knows that? I'm
not a soul upset by that? Leave it to the
sports to make the decision at that community to live
on the other The big thing on this is I
don't want to sound uncaring or unloving, because I'm not.

(11:15):
But the percentage of athletes that actually directly affects is
so small, and the ferrari around it is so big.
It correct really completely out of balance. It's like it's over.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Expressed and has the risks to get so ugly. So
I'm glad it's been dealt with by grown ups in
a grown up way. Darcy, thank you, looking forward to
your show this evening. That's Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Hoasty.
We're back seven o'clock this evening on News Talk zbeah
to come and take my headphones off. The Darcy's headphone
entitlement sounds like the kind of behavior one would expect
from Adrian or.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
I'm being compared to somebody important, then.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
One getting the facts discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one news Land, let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
That'd be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
There has anyone actually heard from Raleigh Castle today. I
remember when the Labour loons were pushing this mad gender ideology.
She was lockstep with the narrative and on every radio
show in the country. Matt good, good, very good question
four twenty four. Now the government is bringing in a
bunch of changes to our voting laws. One of the
ones which I think all of us will agree with
is that they've made it clearly you cannot do the

(12:25):
carry on that was happening at Manette Wa Marai at
the last election. You know, the music and the posters
and the vouchers and the barbecues and the I don't
know what else was going on there. They have made
it clear that providing free food, free drink, free entertainment
within one hundred meters of a voting booth will be
punishable by up to ten thousand dollars. I think is
a smart idea. It just clarifies that there's no more

(12:47):
of this kind of gray area. What they've also done,
which I am much less enthusiastic about, is that they're
bringing in the change that you now cannot enroll on election.
Do I remember remember how it's been in the last
few years. You could turn up at the voting booth,
you go, I'm not enrolled, but can I enroll now?
And then can I vote? And that was totally fine.
You can now not do that. You cannot do that

(13:08):
on voting dabit. You also cannot do that while early
voting is going on, which goes on for what is
it two weeks or something like that, There is it
would appear no change, no chance whatsoever that the government
is going to change its mind on it if you
go by what David Seymour thinks of these people.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
Frankly, I'm a sick of dropkicks that can't get themselves
organized to follow the law which registering to vote is
a legal requirement in going along and voting, to tax
away hard working people's money and have people that make
laws that restrict their freedoms.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Dropkicks. Okay, So if you're that guy, if you voted,
if you enrolled on the day, you're a drop kick.
I'll tell you why I'm uncomfortable about this. I'm uncomfortable
about this because you know, and I know that the
people most likely to enroll on the day will be
people who vote left, because it will largely be people
like people who have a bit itinerant, you know, maybe

(13:59):
they're moving in moving and moving they haven't they haven't
got themselves enrolled, they've been between houses. Tend to kind
of I mean, I'm making a huge assumption here, but
I'm tending to think that they would vote left. I'm
also thinking largely students. If there is a person who
cannot get their life in order, it's a student, right,
So it's gonna be have a bunch of students. So
you know that the students love greens, you know. So
it just feels a bit cynical to me, does it

(14:21):
not you anyway? And I'm uncomfortable about that. I think
democracy comes, democracy comes before everything else. Don't dick around
with it, and this feels like sticking around with it.
Paul Goldsmith will be with us after five. We'll have
a chat to him about that. Brigitte Macron and Emmanuel
Macron are suing Candace Owens for spreading the conspiracy theory
that Brigitte was born a man. They say that it

(14:43):
is a relentless and unjustified smear campaign and they are
so angry at Candace Owens for doing this that they
even prepare to travel to the US for the case. Now,
Candace Owens is not the only person who has been
spreading this theory online. I would say probably the most
prominent person who's been spreading it online. But you know
there was another lot who did it for four hours
on a YouTube video. So you know, you pick and choose.

(15:03):
But they're gonna go after Candace, and I mean fair enough, right,
because fair enough? But is it like a tiny part
of you that thinks that the reason that they're suing
Candas is just so that they can appear united after
she gave them the bash in the aeroplane and we
all saw it, is that what it's really was to
look like a united couple like Emmanual will defend as

(15:24):
woman in't it? Obviously? Because until now no one cared
about it anyway. Headlines next.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Hey, you are going to want to hear how the
French are ripping you off if you're a tourist and listen.
Let's be honest about it. We're all tourists when we
go to a Persian cathay, how they rip you off?
You're not going to believe this will run you through
it shortly. Wow, talk about bibang on the wrong side
of public opinion on this one. Get a life, Heather,
have you lost the plot? They are dropkicks here that
if you have a thousand days to get yourself on

(16:13):
the electoral roll, then you don't need election day. People
should take the democratic rights seriously or not at all. Dave,
Good afternoon, Heather. I heard your opinion read the voters
who enrolled last minute. Had to check I wasn't listening
to arn Z. Cheers, Jerry. That really cut me quite deep. Hither.
I totally agree with Goldsmith and Seymour's bill that new
voters have had plenty of time to enroll since turning eighteen.
I've seen scrutiny as handing out lollies at polling booths.

(16:35):
That's from Sue Heather, and it just goes on. So
I'm I'm I'm unswayed by your criticism of my opinion,
though I truly do believe it. I think this kind
of gerrymandering nonsense has no place in New Zealand politics. Anyway.
Paul Goldsmith can answer it when he's with us shortly
embarrassop will be with us in ten minutes to give
us his hot take anyway, twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's the World Wires on news Dogs.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
He'd be drive more Epstein trouble for President and Trump.
According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump is mentioned by
name in the Epstein files. Now this doesn't mean he's guilty,
but he isn't there a lot. Gillaine Maxwell has also
been subpoena to testify to Congress next month. House Speaker
Mike Johnson says she's not a trustworthy witness.

Speaker 8 (17:14):
I mean, this is a person who's been sentenced to many,
many years in prison for terrible, unspeakable conspiratorial acts and
acts against innocent young people. I mean, can we trust
what she's going to say.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Australia has dropped its span on American beef imports. Trump
has previously criticized the span They.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Won't take any of our beef.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
They don't want it because they don't want it to
affect their farmers.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
And you know what, I don't blame them, but we're
doing the same thing now.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
The Australian Trade Minister hasn't straight up said that they're
dropping the band to help with tariff negotiations, but he
has said this.

Speaker 9 (17:46):
The job of the Albanezi government is to prosecute the
argument with the Americans until such time as they realize
that these tariffs on Australia are a mistake.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And finally, a British ship that fought in the American
Revolutionary War has turned up on a beach in the
Orkney Islands now. The wreckage was found last year and
it's now been identified as the HMS hind which sat
which sank near the islands in seventeen eighty eight. The
ship appears to have been buried under the beach sand
after it ran aground, but it has now been revealed

(18:19):
because of climate change.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
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Speaker 2 (18:27):
Murray ols Ossi correspondents with us Hey muzz.

Speaker 10 (18:30):
Chio Bellahead, A very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
So why has Australia really dropped the ban on the beef.

Speaker 10 (18:36):
Well, I think it's pretty obvious. It's certainly to gain
favor in terms of the Trump administration which is threatening
all sorts of tariffs against Australia. Don Farrell, the Trade
Ministry you heard there, He says, there's nothing to see here. Basically, look,
American beef's been allowed into Australia since twenty nineteen. The

(18:57):
band that was in place until now related only to
beef sourced from Mexico and from Canada, slaughtered in the
United States and then shipped to Australia and around the world.
The government says there's been no compromise at all in
terms of biosecurity rules, and these rules, obviously, like New Zealand,
in place for decades to stop any threat of importing

(19:19):
diseases that could devastate the agricultural industries of both our countries.
Also and says it's got nothing to do with the
peasing President Trump. Oh really, it's been a long time coming.
The blanket band lifted, as I say, in twenty ninety.
The opposition over here says this and many questions have
to be answered and independent review must be done. But

(19:40):
Australian beef farmers are saying, guess what, it's no big
deal pull. There won't be a flood of American beef.
It'll be poorer quality and more expensive. So are we
going to be buying that? I mean, Australian bee's body
will dear enough as it is. You go, you know,
you go to the supermarket and try and buy some
decent steak. You go to the butcher's good luck legal
lambs about forty Australian dollars these day, so.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
You know, like a.

Speaker 10 (20:02):
Sudden a beef roast about forty bucks as well defeated
the family. So look, Australian it's good quality. Doesn't matter
which way the government was to cut it. It's clearly
designed in my view, to appease the Trump administration and
try to gain a bit of traction in these negotiations
about tariff.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, you make a very good point there. Now what
do you make of Scomo talking about China.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
Well, it's not unrelated to the whole question about Australian beef.
I mean, Morrison's appeared before the US House Committee on
China and basically the message from Scott Morrison he's warning alliances,
alliances and partnerships that Washington has with other nations around
the world like Australia, these alliances and partnerships have got
to be strengthened, not diminished, to better resist Chinese and

(20:47):
I'm quoting here Chinese economic coercion. Now, Morrison, of course
was Prime Minister here twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two.
He was in charge when COVID broke out, and he's
told the committee that Australia was basically single for punishment
by Beijing because it was an American ally, not because
he demanded an independent international inquiry. And where COVID came from.

(21:10):
He says a China belted Australia with illegal trade bands,
diplomatic estrangement basically put us in the deep freeze in
terms of Australian exports of wine, you know, all the
stuff that it still brought a truckload of Australian iron
ore and coal because it needed all of those things,
but no beef, no wine. That's sort of twenty billion

(21:31):
dollars worth of lobsters and wine and all the rest
of the stuff in Australia selves to China anyway. Scott
Morrison says, listen, that was my experience as Prime Minister
under labor. Beijing has changed tac since Albanese has been elected.
Charm and flattery of China's weapons of choice, not just
for Australia, he says, Beijing is trying to influence public
opinion right around the world and Western democracies. Morrison, I

(21:55):
loved this. He said, you've got to stand up with
your mates and resist coercion. I mean whether or not
the US House a Committee on China listens to him.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Good stuff. Thanks so much, muz, look after yourself. Murriold's
Australia correspondent. Okay, this is what you need to watch
out for when you go to Paris. So there is
a paper in It's been a lot Contexters. For the
longest time. There has been suspicion that the Parisians rip
you off if you are a tourist, and I mean
any of these tourist hotspots, they go for you if

(22:24):
you're a tourist, right because I think you're an idiot,
especially if you sound like an American. And so what's
happened is that one of the leading papers over in
Paris decided to put this to the test. So they
got a bona fide French person and they sent them
into a cafe, and then they got another I think
I think it was one of their reporters. And then
they got another one of their reporters, and they dressed
this person up to look like an American tourist and

(22:47):
force this poor chap to speak in an American accent
and sent him in as well, and they ordered exactly
the same thing. They ordered water, and they ordered a
co or I think they just ordered a Coca cola.
The Parisian got given a free glass of water and
wasn't charged for it, and was given a Coca cola
for six euro fifty. The American tourist was charged six

(23:08):
euro for the water that the present had got for free,
and the Coca cola they were charged nine euro fifty,
which the other one had got for six euro fifty.
So the difference in the bill was well, I mean,
it's more than double. Like the French person ended up
paying six euro fifty and the American tourist ended up
paying fifteen euro fifty. But and so I think that

(23:29):
settles that right. But that's not the only example of it.
There's another example where I think it was the same. No,
it is the same. It's the same. Two of them
then go sent to another cafe to go and see
what happens there. The French one gets the obligatory ten
percent service charge just added to their bill and they
pay it and that's the end of it. The American
one is told that they don't have to pay it,
but there's an expectation of a ten percent service charge

(23:50):
to the American agrees to it, but then the waiter
shields what they're doing and doesn't type in ten percent,
types in fifteen percent, and the American gets ripped off.
And there is another example of an undercover familiar ordering
a glass of Chebley which costs about or nine euro,
and gets served instead of the sap because they will
know the difference, obviously being a familiar. Instead of getting

(24:11):
served the Shibley at nine euro gets served the cheapest
drink on the menu five eurosav but still pays the
nine Euroshibley price. Watch out when you go to Paris,
they don't like you. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Certainy, it's fourteen away from five and Barry so Bo
our senior political correspondents with me. Hey Barry, good afternoon heaven.
So do you think these electoral changes are justified? Let's
start with the treating. The treating is fair enough, isn't
it so?

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Because I think we're going to disagree here, and it's
unlike me to disagree with you here though, But treating, yes,
I do believe that. And we saw it the manue
or made last year oh sorry, last election, where people
were encouraged at the voting place to change roles and
offer often incentives to do that. And that's totally appose.

(25:04):
It's not democratic as bringing pressure on people when they're
about to make their democratic vote. As far as the
drop kicks turning up on the day and expecting to
vote if they're not enrolled, I think they are dropkicks.
I don't think. I think if they want to take
part in democracy, they've got under these new rules, thirteen days.

(25:26):
That's a couple of days before early voting starts. Now
that the advertising campaign will, there'll be a blitz and
people will be well aware that the elections not only on,
but when they should be enrolled and if they can't
get their butts into gear and enroll on time. Then
they've got themselves to blame if their vote's not counted.

(25:47):
The thing is either by narrowing this time down and
not allowing and rolling on the day. It means that
come election night, we'll find out the result earlier than
what we do at the moment, just about a fortnight,
and it could be up to three weeks off this
ridiculous situation.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
And how much earlier would we find out?

Speaker 6 (26:07):
Hopefully? You know that those special votes I guess you
know overseas voters, they have to be counted. But this
would preclude a lot of the nonsense that oh I
would imagine probably a week earlier.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Did you just make that up? What's your problem with it?
I mean, what you're doing is you're punishing them for
being stupid.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Vote well you know, I mean you should punish voters.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Stupid people are allowed to have as much.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
Votes. I've got to say, but I noticed that you
say it with more lean to the left. So what
you're saying is the left voters are stupid, more stupid
than those vot I have dug yourself into a hole
here as well.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So this will affect people who are predominant who move addresses. Right,
So we're talking about students, talking about we're talking about
people who are itinerant, maybe people who are.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Not making excuses for dropkicks.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I just I just don't. I just I think that
the punishment is completely disproportionate to the other.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Not allowed to vote. Well, I'll tell you what next
connection they'll be out in time.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Tell me what's happened with out here? Or why is
this a problem again?

Speaker 6 (27:19):
Well, I love it because Winston can't stand the word
being used in a question in Parliament. He gets really
uptired about it. The word that he says that this
country is known as a word is New Zealand. That's
what we are, not art Roer. And there was only
ironically only one question on the order paper today that

(27:40):
are to roll in it, and thank goodness it wasn't
erected at Winston because he refuses to answer. Well, I've
got to say to justify his case as to why
the word should not be used instead of New Zealand.
Peters quoted the New Zealand Geographic Board, which failed to
impress speak of jury.

Speaker 9 (28:01):
Brownly, the board has no jurisdiction over the country name
of New Zealand And.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
To change it would require an Act of Parliament and
of quotes.

Speaker 12 (28:08):
Members may speak in any of the three languages at
any time. If other members do not like certain words,
they do not have to use them. In his time
serving New Zealand the capacity of Minister of Foreign Affairs,
he would have presented the New Zealand passport at various
passport stations around the world and never had questioned the

(28:30):
fact that our passport has the word altioa on the
front of it. That's for all of those years I
might use the term familiar with the member. Not a syllable,
not a sound, not a mutter, not a murmur, No
condemnation whatsoever from a government he was part of.

Speaker 13 (28:45):
That is the end of the matter.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
There you go, Wisdon take that, put that in your
pipe and smoke.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Its stupid anyway. Okay, So what do they get on
the food prices today?

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Well, food prices never far away from their looks. I've
got to say. They say that when you've got nothing
else to talk about, you talk about the price of eggs. Well,
we've been talking about the price of butter. Labor's Barbara Edmunds.
I came off second best. I've got to say. When
she was ad nauseum quoting frontline service providers and throwing

(29:16):
their views at the Finance min as to who came
to the house, I've got to say, well armed.

Speaker 14 (29:21):
Does she stand by her statements that quote, national will
take action to get food prices under control once more
unquote and if so, when will the price of butter
come down?

Speaker 15 (29:31):
An evidence of our progress on this. In December twenty
twenty two, food price inflation was ten point seven percent.
In March twenty twenty three, food price inflation was eleven
point three percent. In June twenty twenty three, food price
inflation was twelve point three percent. Since being elected, our

(29:54):
government achieved in the March twenty four point two point
four percent food price inflation in June twenty four zero
point two percent.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
TI vote, Come on hot, haven't you okay?

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Barry?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Thanks very much? Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, eight away
from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 16 (30:16):
We've got the much anticipated Homelessness in Science report.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Chris Bishops, the Housing Ministry.

Speaker 16 (30:21):
We know that we have a problem with rough sleeping
but you're dealing with people with often quite complex challenges.
Sometimes they've got mental health challenges, addictional challenges, traumap.

Speaker 17 (30:29):
The opposition it's going to milk this and they're going
to go.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
You went hard on emergency housing, you went hard on
state housing, and look what happens.

Speaker 18 (30:35):
People end up in cars.

Speaker 16 (30:36):
This is on you lock if emergency housing with the
antswer my ability like this. Between twenty eighteen and twenty
twenty three, a government spent one point four billion dollars
housing people in motels. We've pumped billions and billions of
dollars into kind or AURA and other programs, and homelessness increased.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
So money is not necessarily the answer.

Speaker 10 (30:51):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Z b oh Well, I am very sorry to say
that Auckland Council has been wasting its time today on
the helicopter issue because they've been here, because you know that,
you know, there are some people who are very angry
at the Mobras for having the halipads set up in
westme or wherever the hell it is on that side
of things, and there are some people who want to
get rid of helicopters all together across Auckland City, and

(31:18):
so they've been they've been bending Auckland councils there about
it today, telling them why we need to get rid
of all of them. And boy, have they got creative
in their arguments today. Apparently I don't know if you
know this, but apparently if we let people keep building
halipads in Auckland, Auckland skies will soon be filled up
with door to door flying ubers, says Quiet Sky White

(31:38):
and Matar's Jeanette Budget.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Also.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Dan Matheson of the Herne Bay Residence Association told counselors
that the helicopters are really upsetting his neighbors because they
got they got leaves in their pool and all over
their deck because of the rotor wash, because the rot
washes when the helicopters do the thing with the rotors,
and then it blows the leaves around and stuff. And
the beach goers reported having their blown into the water.

(32:01):
And as Don said, they are under siege. So I'm
glad we're not being dramatic about things when it comes
to the helicopters. I'm glad we're all being calm and
rational about things. Anyway. Well, they're not making a decision
on it today. We have days more of this nonsense
to contend with, so I'll keep bringing you updates on
it now, Neil, quickly, as I told you, the Adrian
or letter has emerged. The email. This is the email

(32:23):
that Adrian's boss, Neil sent to Treasury to a Treasury
staffer to apologize for Adrian's behavior in a meeting. As
a result of this, there are now calls again for
Neil Quigley to quit his job. Resign his job because
he has misled the public, because he told us that
Adrian resigned in a personal decision where clearly it's not
a personal decision. He was behaving like a clown and
there was pressure on him to quit anyway. Nikola Willis

(32:46):
obviously as the person who ultimately I think is the
one who decides, at least politically, She's going to be
with us shortly to explain that. Paul Goldsmith on The
Dropkicks and Julie Anne on why she wants trains all
over the show again NEWSWALGSB.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Don't questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust

(33:22):
for the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
That'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
The government is changing the rules around voting. Free food,
free drinks, free entertainment. Near voting booths are going to
be banned and same day enrollments are gone, which means
that you can't vote unless you remember to enroll before
voting starts. Paul Goldsmith as the Justice Minister, High Paul
hi Hen, very well, thank you. These rules around treating
that's to avoid a repeat of the manere Wami situation.

Speaker 17 (33:50):
Right, Well, that sort of thing. Yes, I mean, obviously
it's important that we have the rules that are robust
and worked and so we're just amping them up a bit.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
And why are you changing the rules around voting on
election day and in advanced voting.

Speaker 17 (34:04):
Well, look, fundamentally you were acall that we had to
wait three weeks to get an out the final outcome
of the election last time. It always used to take
two weeks. It's gone to three. And the advice I
was getting was if we didn't do anything, we're hitting
going to struggle to even make three might be onto four.
And it's putting a lot of pressure on the system.

(34:24):
And what's happened over the last few years is the people.
More and more people have been enrolling on election day
or just before, and that all has to be sorted
out before they can do the vote counting. And so
we're just having to get the system sustainable because we
want you know, we're proud of our electoral system. We
wanted to work.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, how many people would do this? Is Labor correct
to say it's about one hundred and ten thousand people?

Speaker 17 (34:46):
Well, yeah, about one hundred thousand people enrolled on election
day and you you could never used to be able
to do that. It was only a couple of five
years ago that Labor introduced election day enrollments. So look,
we're perfectly confident people with a clear message, No, you've
got to get enrolled earlier. We'll be able to do it,
but we need to send that clear message.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Is that one hundred thousand is that election day and
advanced voting.

Speaker 17 (35:09):
Or just election day no election day?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
So geez, it could be a lot bigger than that
if you count the two weeks of advanced voting as well.

Speaker 17 (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, there's a sort of a probably two or
three hundred thousand people that have gotten into the habit
of doing that, and so we've just got to change
the way.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
For do we not run the risk that two to
three one hundred thousand people forget or expect the same
kind of behavior as last time and just do not
get the chance to vote.

Speaker 17 (35:33):
Well, I mean that's I mean one of the core
roles of the electoral commissioners to encourage people to get enrolled,
and that they've got plenty of millions of dollars to
do that, and they will. I mean the Aussie's you know,
they close their role twenty six days before the election,
and you know, so if the Aussies can manage it,
I'm sure we can.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Why don't we just get more people counting the votes
to get through it faster?

Speaker 17 (35:55):
Well, it already costs nearly three hundred million dollars over
three years.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
So come on, that's not all the counting people with
that expensive Well, how much to the counting people cost?

Speaker 17 (36:07):
Well, there's a lot of them, and that's a broader issue.
We need to get some better technology in terms of
vote counting.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Are sure this is a good idea, Paul? It doesn't
sound like a good idea.

Speaker 17 (36:17):
Oh, I think it's a perfectly good idea. In the UK,
it's twelve days before election day. There's many countries do this.
You send a clear signal if you want to engage,
you want to vote, you make sure you're enrolled. It's
actually legal. You are required legally to enroll within one
month of any change of circumstances. And we're also changing
the rules so that they can automatically update enrollment so
it's easier for people. It's all just about trying to

(36:40):
get the system as efficient as we can so we
can get an outcome sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Okay, thank you appreciate it, Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Heather due for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
There is yet another revelation about Adrian or and emails
now being released in which his boss Neil Quigley apologizes
to a Treasury staffer about U's behavior in a meeting
which happened two weeks before he quit. Neil Quigley says,
I'm sorry Adrian lost is call with you this afternoon.
He should have been able to give you a more
dispassionate answer.

Speaker 15 (37:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
This has led to renewed calls for Neil Quigley to
leave his job for misleading the public because he said
Adrianaw's resignation was actually a personal decision. Nikola Willis is
the Finance Minister and with us now high Nikoler, Hello,
When we you informed that there were concerns about Adrianaw's.

Speaker 15 (37:21):
Behavior, Well, I was obviously aware that emotions were running
high about discussions over the funding agreement and how that
those were progressing. I was aware that the former governor
was uncomfortable with the way those discussions were progressing. And
I also became aware that he and the bank board

(37:42):
had differing views about how much funding was necessary for
the bank to meet it's Yes, but I.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Mean how different opinions is different to concerns about behavior.
When we you told about concerns about behavior.

Speaker 15 (37:53):
Well, I had heard reports that there had been a
meeting with the Treasury in which emotions ran high. But
I was not at that meeting, and it was clear
to me in my meeting with Adrian Or that emotions
were running high.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Did he swear in front of you? No, there was
no swearing in the meeting that you were in.

Speaker 18 (38:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Was there swearing in the Treasury meeting.

Speaker 15 (38:16):
Not that I am aware of.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Okay, did he quit amid these concerns about his behavior?

Speaker 15 (38:24):
Well, obviously, as I have communicated previously, Adrian Or made
a decision to resign. The employment discussions that preceded that
that occurred between him and the Reserve Bank Board. I
was not a party too, and so I am very
conscious of the independence of the Reserve Bank and its

(38:44):
position as the employer both of the former governor and
the future government governor, and it's very important I respect
their independence. The second constraint is that I have had
throughout this, I've been very conscious that my public commentary,
my observations, my speculation could potentially create legal or financial
risk for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Tax Adrian Or may sue you, as in.

Speaker 15 (39:07):
There is an employment relationship that existed between Adrian Or
and the Reserve Bank Board, and as you well know,
employment matters are always very sensitive through that employment relationship.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
No, has he threatened to sue the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 15 (39:26):
No on the public No, I am not. So this
is on the public record. An exit agreement was reached
between the Reserve Bank Board and the former governor. I
have not been informed of the terms of that agreement,
but I am conscious that as the employer, they have
obligations to their former employee.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Okay, Nicholas, So I have known about concerns about adrian
Or's behavior for probably I would say three years, from
the highest levels of the Reserve Bank. When were you
first informed of concerns around adrian Or's behavior.

Speaker 15 (40:01):
Well, when I was in opposition, I heard the same
speculation that you did.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yes, And when you became the Finance minister, when were
you first informed? Because Treasury has to inform you of
the stuff, when did they first tell you that there
were concerns?

Speaker 15 (40:13):
I did not have the formal reports of that nature.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Not from Treasury. What about from Reserve Bank?

Speaker 15 (40:20):
I had not had formal reports of nature. It is
on the public record, however, that I was made aware
of a complaint by an employee at the New Zealand Initiative,
and that I took that complaint forward to the chair
of the Reserve Bank Board because I viewed that it
went to an employment relationship. And I've been at pains

(40:41):
Heather not to get involved.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
No, I understand.

Speaker 15 (40:45):
Actually the flip side of all of this, The thing
is that Master Finance gets into the employment relationship between
the Reserve Bank Board and the governor. That is an
inappropriate over Nichola.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It is becoming increasingly difficult to believe that the reason
that Adrian Orquitt was just because he had just made
a personal decision one day. It is starting to look
incredibly like something has gone down here with his behavior. So,
given that Neil Quigley has told us, and I would,
I would go so far as to say he's misled
us by saying it was a personal decision, do you
have confidence in Neil Quigley if he is prepared to

(41:16):
go out there and fib to the public.

Speaker 15 (41:18):
Like that, Well, those are your words, not mine, and yes,
I do have confidence in Neil quickly. I have also, however,
previously shared my disappointment at the way information on this
matter has been shared with New Zealanders. Today I had
apprecieduled meeting with the entire board of the Reserve Bank,
and at that meeting I sought to convey to everyone

(41:40):
present that I was disappointed with the way that this
matter had been handled, given the ongoing public speculation. Because
it's in New Zealand's interests that the Reserve Bank maintain
its reputation at all times, and I think would be
for handling, we wouldn't still be having these interviews this discussion.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Why did Adrian or quit Nicola.

Speaker 15 (42:04):
Well, that is a matter that has been previously communicated
by the Chairman of the Reserve Bank, and I allow
him to characterize that.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Okay, thank you very much, appreciate your time. That's Nicola
Willius the Finance Minister. Now did want to talk to
you about Miles Hurele. He's held the press conference about
the price of button all. We'll have to deal with
it later sixteen past five. Hey, just a reminder if
you're wanting to buy yourself a BYD Shark six, and
frankly you should. I'm driving one. They are awesome, Or
if you want a BYDC Lion six, get your wriggle

(42:36):
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(42:57):
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(43:18):
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Speaker 3 (43:22):
Ever due for see Ellen Heather.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I'm just glad Adriana has gone, oh look we all
are let's be honest. Twenty past five. Now the Green
Party wants lots of trains again. The Transport spokesperson Julianngenta
has launched a petition calling for the restoration of passenger
rail around the country and is with us. Hi, Julianne Kyodra,
how are you going good?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Where do you want it?

Speaker 19 (43:44):
Well, we're here in Torona today, so we're calling to
extend to who are services to be from Toronger, including
Hamilton and Auckland. We've also talked about a night train
between Auckland and Wellington with Modern Come triple sleeper cars
and the southerner down in the South Island probably crash

(44:06):
Church to Dunedin in the first instance.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
And how much would that all cost.

Speaker 19 (44:11):
Well, in the short term, there's some operating costs, like
we could get to who you extended to Torona for
maybe two million a year two and a half million
a year, So we budgeted ten million over four years,
but it's going to be a bit.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
More to get the long term total budget, which.

Speaker 19 (44:29):
Would be well, total budget for all the projects, including
like a transformational improvement to the round network, which would
mean a two and a half hour train journey between
Torang and Auckland, is about five and a half billion
over five years.

Speaker 15 (44:44):
So that's camps and operating.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
That's a lot more than I was expecting. Like I
was gearing up for like a cool one to two
and I was going to I was going to call
bs on that, but five and a half Hey, where
you going to get that money?

Speaker 19 (44:56):
Well, it's less than twenty percent of what the government's
currently planned to spend on its expensive highways program. And
there's a lot of potential funding methods, Like you know,
because obviously rail development, if you're doing really transformation or
rail development. It's uplifting property values and it's usually leading

(45:16):
to a lot of development, so that would be one
of the tools. But basically in our budget, you know,
I don't know if you saw, we had a fully
costed oh budget and now a week before budget. Yeah,
so we we had some increases in taxation, but most
of the transport spend was coming from a reduction in
some of the planned kapex on highways. And the great

(45:37):
thing about investing in rail is it not only benefits
the people who take the train, it actually benefits the
roads as well.

Speaker 18 (45:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Well, because there are a few people anyway. Listen, wonderful idea.
Thank you, Juliane, appreciate it, Julie engine too, Green Party
transport spokesperson. Not going to happen obviously, five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy lan
drive one New Zealand, let's get connected and us talk.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Sa'd be heither do I put my boat on the
shelf above my seat when I'm catching the train to
my batch and Totinger. Don't even do that, Cameron, you
will just rip Julianne's undease completely. Now five twenty five
let's be honest with each other about something.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
That increase in in rough sleeping that the cities are
anecdotally reporting to that Homelessness report will be caused by
the shutting down of those emergency motels. I mean, I
know the government's trying to avoid having to admit that,
but that is the big thing that's changed since the election.
They've shut down the motels, and some of the people
who were in those motels, or who might have gone
to those motels, have ended up on the streets. And

(46:38):
I don't think that that's unexpected, that that is not
an unexpected consequence of taking a tougher line on the motels. Now,
don't see me as tough, like hard hearted on this.
I don't want anyone sleeping on the streets, and I
venture most of us don't. But I still think that
shutting down those motels was a good idea because that
was out of hand, wasn't it. I mean, spending one
point four billion dollars on emergency accommodation in six years

(46:59):
was just way too much money. I prefer that I
prefer the line the government's taking at the moment, which
is to put the obligation where it actually should be,
which is on family and friends, Which is to say
that if someone finds themselves god forbid, without a roof
over their heads, the first place that they should go
for help is not the state. It should be their
mum or their brother, or their auntie, or their son

(47:19):
or their friend. And only then when all of their
options are exhausted and they really have no one to
turn to, then should they turn to the state. But
that is not what was happening with the emergency motels.
The state was the first port of call right if
you think about it, Actually, the state has stepped in
to take over a lot of roles that we normally
would have relied on each other for and in some
cases the sun avoidable and in some cases for the best,

(47:40):
for example police or whatever. But in this case, let's
be honest, one point four billion dollars is a lot
of money that could have been spent on anything else
that we are running dry on right now, healthcare, cops, education.
So actually, first place you turn to if you don't
have somewhere to sleep is your family. Only at the
end of the road should the state step in here
the heather, Why are you still banging on about Adrian

(48:03):
Or he quit months ago. You're making a fool of yourself. Listen,
none of us want to be None of us want
to be banging on about Adrian. All right, I don't
want to be banging on about Adrian Or. But the
problem is there's so much dishonesty here, and there's so
much evidence now that there was a concerted effort to
try to hide what really happened here. That is kind
of forcing us into banging on about it. And also,
it's not just a random ministry. It's the Reserve Bank.

(48:25):
He's the Reserve he was the Reserve Bank governor. It's
supposed to be a political and you're supposed to trust
the guy implicitly. Anyway, I feel like that's a that's
enough Adrian Or for now, isn't it? We talk about
something else. Have you seen Sasha Baron Cohen's body? Now,
I mean from one extreme to the other, Adrian or
his body to Sasha Baron Cohen's body. Have you seen

(48:46):
his body? Go and google it. Cover of Men's Fitness UK.
He's oiled up, he's got the abs, he's pump and iron.
It's right, pump it up. Bands posing at the gym
he's hard launched his midlife crisis, he says, but say
you what that'll bring a smile to your dial. News
is next?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Who After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather due to Cellen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 10 (49:16):
There'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Huddle was standing by to be with us shortly. Oh,
by the way, Mark Peterson is the chap who's been
running the inns of X for the past three while
the CEO. He's decided to do that thing and quick
while you're up, so quick while you're ahead. So he's
going to chat us through that when he's with us
after six o'clock, Heather, why doesn't Mikey Schumann do something
useful in doorstop Adrian or actually that is not a
bad idea, Steve, I do need to talk about Miles

(49:47):
Harral at some stage. We'll do it before this half
hours through. It's twenty four away from six now. There
are calls for all MP's and their families to give
up private health insurance while they're in office so that
they have skin in the game when they're making decisions
about the public health system. Doctor Marcus Lee is the
spokesperson for the group of doctors calling for this, and
it's with us.

Speaker 20 (50:03):
Hey, Marcus God, how are you going?

Speaker 21 (50:05):
Heather?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Very well? Thank you. Are you guy serious about this?

Speaker 20 (50:09):
Yes, we are. We're absolutely serious. We want our politicians
to show some accountability in the disease that they make.
They want some integrity and we want them to show
that they have got some skin in the game.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Okay, Well what about the kids though, I mean, does
it really have to affect the MP's kids.

Speaker 20 (50:23):
Well, it's personal for us, it's personal for a lot
of kiwis. You know, they make policy decisions that affect
a lot of people in New Zealand. Sure, so it
is personal.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Have any of the MP's actually committed to doing this,
not to my knowledge? Now, have you got private healthcare?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
No? I do not.

Speaker 22 (50:42):
Why not kind of ford it?

Speaker 20 (50:45):
We've had I've got previous medical issues, so I kind
of thought it.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, Well, this is actually the part of the problem,
isn't it? Like there will be some MPs now who
have medical issues and if they give up their private
health care for the sake of appeasing some people, they
may never be able to get it again. Is it
worth it?

Speaker 20 (51:01):
Well, they don't have to give it up. They just
have to wave their rights to private health care.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's so they keep on paying for it. But then
then they only exclusively use the public health system.

Speaker 20 (51:11):
Yeah, I think that that means that they actually have
some skin in the game, isn't it? Like Simon Brown says,
he doesn't have private insudance and I respect him for that,
So he should just say make it policy. Now you
know he's got nothing. There's no barrier to it.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Enough.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Okay, what is the what has brought this on for you?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
What is it that's frustrated you to the point that
you've decided to launch this open letter.

Speaker 20 (51:29):
We're just frustrated and tire with basions still with long,
long times to be seen. We have severe stuffing pressures
in our hospitals. We're about to close. I think Pulple Hospital,
isn't it, And there's a growing delease and trying to
get specialist level care.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Okay, Marcus, thanks very much, appreciate it. Marcus Marcus Lee,
doctor Marcus Lee, Northland, cardiologist, spokesperson for Open Letter Writers.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
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Speaker 2 (51:56):
On the huddle this evening' got Allie Jones, read PR
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Speaker 3 (52:02):
Hire you too, Hey you do?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I go, Ali, what do you think? Good idea?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
No?

Speaker 23 (52:08):
In fact, I can't even believe that you did that interview, Heather.
I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life.
I mean, what next? Are they going to make their
kids go to state schools so that you know, their
kids can experience you know, state schools, so.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Actually allies get and angelo they can send their kids
to public schools too.

Speaker 23 (52:27):
Oh, how bloody ridiculous. What are they going to do?
Make them move into low socioeconomic housing areas as well,
sell their cars so they've got to walk and catch
the train that Julianne's banging on about. No, I mean,
all this is is just basically trying to get into
the news. And I'm really pleased that they have, but
it's a ridiculous idea.

Speaker 11 (52:44):
Yeah, Phil, Yeah, I think with the sun and there's
somewhere forty percent, call zero percent of all New Zealanders
have some sort of health insurance, which demonstrates what they're
saying is completely wrong. That cannot be by definition only
wealthy New Zealanders. It must be working people and so on.
And of course what's also happening is that health insurance

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is not just for its for sorts of things, whether
it's for dental care or for major medical emergency and
so on. And then if she helps New Zealand. In Australia,
they take this so seriously that they give you an
tax incentive to go and get private health insurance because
they know that that takes pressure off the public system.
So it's a silly thing to say. And I think
actually we should be proud that New Zealanders and such

(53:26):
numbers are prepared to take out an investment on making
sure that they just get the best care they possibly
can they want.

Speaker 23 (53:32):
The should celebrate phil I think you know and have
this is something people aren't talking about. It's not only
the politicians that make these decisions, which is what you know.
These people are wanting the politicians to be aware of
what the public health systems like. Are you going to
make all the bureaucrats that write the reports and feed
into the policy, You're going to make them experience the
public health system as well? It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I think.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And the thing I suppose that it seems to feel
that they believe that politicians are not motivated by trying
to do the best thing for the country, right, Like
the insinuation there is if they don't have skin in
the game, then they're going to make crappy decisions for us,
whereas if they have skin in the game, they'll actually try.
But I believe politicians, even if I disagree with them,
are actually trying.

Speaker 11 (54:11):
Don't you think it's exactly right? That's what it's a stunt.
I mean, I don't know have a single politician of
any for I don't have many, many thousands, probably over
the years now that didn't take these kinds of things
seriously and didn't what we'ren't trying to do their very
best for New Zealanders. They've got three different views.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
About how to do that.

Speaker 11 (54:28):
But of course what we all need to understand is
we want money, lots of money spent on all sorts
of things, and the nature of politics is it's about choices,
and literally it's about rationing. We can't have a four
lane highway were either, because politicians are rationing in a
pretty rational fashion. Usually, how that money might be spent,
and I think we should give them a bit more
respect than that allow them to carry on their private lives,

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and they should call them to account for the performance
that they have about creating a great health system rather
than some performative thing some stunt about whether they have
private insurance or not.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Right now, Alie, do you think people who who don't
remember to enroll before voting day should be prohibited from voting?

Speaker 4 (55:05):
No?

Speaker 23 (55:05):
I don't, but I really hate that comment from Seymour.
I mean, who uses words like dropkick these days? And
you know these people are meant to be professional and statesman.
But I heard that and just cringed, and he's just
opening himself up and the argument actually to huge criticism.
I do agree with Missus Goldsmith talking about how this

(55:27):
takes the pressure off come election day. I mean, we
saw it last time. It just takes a long time
to process everything when you're also processing so many people,
you know, enrolling on the day.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
So I do support it, Phil.

Speaker 11 (55:40):
Yeah, I think it's the right thing to do. Bear
in mind Australia that she is twice as long even
what's out on forwardeen days now, Australias got twenty eight
and I think the voting. Voting is not just a right,
it's also a responsibility. And I think to take you,
do you.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Realize how many people might lose the ability to vote
as a result of this, well stupidity.

Speaker 11 (55:59):
But still I don't think it's I don't think it's
going to be that big because human nature, you can't
wait till the last minute to enroll, and it's the
last one of the sporting days out not on the day.
I think you'll find quite a few more people will
actually get roll.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, you're right. I mean people will see the deadline
and some of them will get their a energy. But
what if it is fill as big as three hundred
thousand people, which Paul Goldsmith was a number that he
pulled out, that's massive.

Speaker 11 (56:20):
Well fish, I doubt it is that big. But even
if it is, as I say, voting is a responsibility
as well as a right. If you're not prepared to
take the responsibility, teeshy, look at what the policies are
to register yourself in good time and to enable the
electoral result to be known more quickly than was the
case last time. They I don't think that's good for
the country either.

Speaker 23 (56:38):
It's not part of our life though, right, why aren't
we teaching civics and schools? I mean that's another thing.
People don't understand what's going on, and I.

Speaker 11 (56:45):
Think it was.

Speaker 23 (56:46):
Actually if it was actually a part of our curriculum,
then people would be able to carry that through into
adulthood and they might enroll.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
You don't think people already know Ali, They see the
Orange Man, they know that that's part of the job
that I think they just can't be.

Speaker 23 (56:57):
They know that they don't care. You're right, they don't care.
But what I'm saying is, if you're teaching civics and
school you can actually explain to people how important it
is the exercise that democratic right.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Okay, I see I am going soft to my old age.
Will take a break, come back and talk about should
we ao ao not Australian open think about it? Sixteen
away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
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Speaker 2 (57:25):
Whither you have become soft. You shouldn't have read Justinder's book.
That was my mistake, Dennis, that was bang on. That
was my mistake. She's gotten to my head. Actually, I'll
talk about a book I'm reading in just a minute, Phil, Okay,
do we want to talk about Adrian All.

Speaker 11 (57:40):
If you want?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Should Neil quickly could well?

Speaker 11 (57:44):
Is the just the whole thing was just a mess,
wasn't it? The who way the whole thing was handled.
So where I think Neil Quickly should be considering how
he reacted and what he should do about it was
not necessarily because maybe someone misfit, maybe he didn't disclose
something was the whole process was a bit of a mess,

(58:04):
and it shouldn't have been because, of course, the confidence
of the financial markets is very much defined by the
Reserve Bank being seen as very stable and above board.
So it was the whole way the thing was treated
that I think got everybody in trouble. And the fact
we're still raking over the coals just demonstrate.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
But the only reason we're raking over the coals fill
because they didn't tell us everything up front, right, And
then you go you OIA the Treasury, you get a
whole bunch of documents, but you don't get this, and
you go back in u o IA again. Now you
get this email. It's a it's just it really is
making them look like they tried to hide it.

Speaker 11 (58:38):
Well, that's exactly right. And whether they did or not,
and I, you know, I had a lot of trust
and faith in near Quickly is a very high quality
New Zealander. But that sort of process is just unacceptable
in a public position of the type that the Reserve
Bank governor is, you know, So you can't just hide
behind privacy and say, wollw I'm not going to see here. No,
you need to explain to the markets and to everybody else,

(59:00):
because the reserve banks so important at all of our lives,
exactly what happened in otherwise you'll get people not having
confidence in the Reserve Bank. So that's really what I
think You'll Quickly and the Board of the Reserve Bank
should be thinking about did we do that right? What
should be the consequences of that? And there's that matter resignation.
I don't know the answer the question, but that's really
the conversation I think, rather than you know, was there

(59:23):
a misleading conversation about a particular statement that was made?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Alie, what do you think?

Speaker 23 (59:27):
Yeah, look, I agree, Look I think this is front footing.
Now I think that they were I mean, if I
was advising them, they need to come out. It needs
to be in their culpra. I don't think this is
a sackable offense. I get very tired of people wanting
people's heads on sticks. People make mistakes, and I think
this was a mistake. It was poorly handled, as you said, Phil,
but I think now they need to come out and

(59:48):
say that and own it and allow everyone to move on.
And by not actually doing that, as you said earlier here,
that this is just going on and on and on
enough already.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yep, I agree with that. Right now, I'm feeling reasonably
chuffed with ourselves, with all of us collectively filth for
the way that we've handled the transgender rules. Are the inclusive,
you know, the participation in community sport without it getting ugly.
What do you think?

Speaker 11 (01:00:12):
Yeah, I think we have actually we managed to dodge
I think you you're right about dodging a bottle of
this because in other countries of the UK, of the
US and so on, it's just turned into a mess.
And I actually agree what the government's trying to do here,
even that, even if I wasn't trying to be anti woke,
you know, in the way that they are will certainly
the New Zealand first, guys are because I think it
should be down to a decision of the sport, given

(01:00:32):
the kind of the best basic nature of each individual sport.
And I was thinking this afternoon, there's a big difference
between rugby on the one hand, a contact sport, and snooker.
So maybe if you're the head of the snooker sport,
you say, well, here's here's some rules, because it doesn't
matter so much. But in the case of rugby, there's
a physical safety issue involved, so you can have a
different think about that. And I think so I think

(01:00:53):
it should be that left down to each individual sport,
but I think the overarching thing should be that people
should be able to participate. Of course, that's the idea,
but you know, the different sports act in different ways,
and so you've just got to I think it's the
right thing that comments, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, Ali, I agree, And at least you know it
didn't go full ugly like it was going to go
with Winston Peters wanted to withhold funding and stuff like that.

Speaker 23 (01:01:13):
Ah No, I agree, but and I agree with you
as well, and Phil, I think they have dodged a bullet.
But my question is I'm going to sound like Luckxon. Now,
my question to you is should we have dodged the bullet?
Is this about dodging a bullet? What I get frustrated
about is that no one seems to be prepared to
have a conversation about these things. And the more we
dodge the bullet and the more we don't talk about it,

(01:01:34):
the more we don't actually get it out into the ore.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
We aren't going to have the conversation because every single
sport is going to have to have the conversation, right,
so the hard stuff actually out ahead?

Speaker 23 (01:01:43):
Yes, yeah, but is that fair too? I mean by
removing the guidelines, you're essentially going not our problem and
handing it over to each individual group. Now, is it
fair for each individual group and their community to be
able to or have to be dealing with it in
their community.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Politicians can't just make one rule for as Phil was saying,
rugby that also applies to snooker.

Speaker 23 (01:02:04):
No, and you don't have to. So the guidelines should
have taken that into consideration. I think this is really
slack of the government. Yeah, I think they should have
provided the guidelines and then allow the organization some movement
within those. But the conversation's got to be had. We
can't keep dodging the bullet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, guys, listen, Yes, I think it's I.

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
Think it's the best handled closest to those participating in
the sport bureaucrats in Wellington deciding what sugar should not
happen actually is what leads to those kinds of arguments.
I think it's much better to be done by sports
people and by sports administrators closer to the action, closer
to their communities, and they'll see what's acceptable to their
communities and they'll be able to handle that. So I

(01:02:41):
actually think it's the right thing to do, not just
in terms of result of getting it out, but also
in terms of resolving it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Guys, lovely to chat to the pair of you. Thank you, Pillo, Riley,
Alli Jones, the huddle this evening. Hither they teach civics
in American high school? That's gone well, hasn't it? I
ate away from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
So yeah, I was speaking of just In this book.
So Laura the German is reading just In this book
and she agrees with me just In as a fantastic
ri I've gave her my book to read. She agrees
with me, just in as a fantastic writer. So there
you go. Very evocative, she says when they're driving driving
through to Mutapata, and it's trees up to trees after
you know what I mean when you get to that,
when you're read, if you're reading it, don't, by the way,

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don't read it. I did it for you. Now I'm
reading Jason Parris's wife's book.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Jason Paris is the boss of One New Zealand and
his wife, Rachel Paris, is not a trophy wife. She
is a very very accomplished woman. And she has written
a book. And this will rip the ninety of anybody
who's tried writing a book. Her book, her debut, it's
her first book. It's a day book. It is going
gangbusters because it is such an excellent read. It is

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such a good read that in the first chapter, which
is incredibly stressful, the first chapter is I can't tell
you because you've got to read it. It's a a mystery.
The first chapter is so stressful I pulled a muscle
in my back. I am without a word of a lie.
I woke up the next one just trussed me out.
I woke up the next morning with a decent case
of tortar collis, which I am now suffering. So thanks

(01:04:15):
very much, Rachel. But it is a fantastic book and
I and afterwards I'll give you a mini review of
that if you could be bothered having a listen to
it anyway, Myles Harrell, so do you remember after the
big butter meeting, Nicholas said, don't worry about it. Miles
is going to Miles done such a great job of
explaining it to me, He's going to explain it to
everybody as well. So he held his press conference and

(01:04:36):
he held it in christ Church today and he was
asked all of the questions like should he discount the
butter that he sells in New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:04:43):
We know have an obligation to sell here in New
Zealand and we do that and we support news and economy,
but our job is going to not come in with
a two tier pricing system to your question and discount
here in the news in a market where we have
an international obligations to it to operator as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
They did not like that, so they asked and that
again but I have an.

Speaker 21 (01:04:59):
Obligation to try support the news in an economy at
the same time, so as a very small.

Speaker 13 (01:05:03):
Portion of that a solar New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:05:04):
My job to think about us as the role we
play in the international market and the role we play
here in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Then this was probably the most awkward part.

Speaker 22 (01:05:13):
What do you get paid?

Speaker 21 (01:05:14):
It's not about what I get paid, but what do
you get paid by? You can see that at the
end your report which comes out a few months time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Just under six million dollars.

Speaker 21 (01:05:22):
It's about what we can do to support.

Speaker 18 (01:05:23):
The news on economy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
And then finally he was asked, but how do we
actually fix the butter price?

Speaker 21 (01:05:28):
Ultimately, consumers that make their own calls on that, you know,
making sure we've got the right retail settings and play
to encourage the right level of competition. You'll see competition
make their own calls around lost leaders. That's not our
call to get involved in. Basically becomes a decision for
the consumer how much they consume at what price.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Basically what he's saying is you can't fix the butter price, right.
You just need more, You need more supermarket competition. You
need to buy smarter you need to make a trip
to Costco who are selling it at a at a
cut rate price. As a lost leader, you need to
make those decisions. That's the only way to bring it
down anyway. And thought Miles is, by the way, one
of the country's most successful CEOs. Miles is getting some

(01:06:13):
not great advice from his media team And I don't
feel like talking about it right now because we've already
done Adrian all but let's talk about it in the
next hour.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
We're Business meets Insight Top for Business Hour with Heather
Duplicy Allen and Mayors for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Newstalk sb even in coming up for the next hour,
Sam Dicky on the possibility of big cuts and wastage
in US healthcare. Jamie McKay on the news that student
protests are being taught how to do it properly and
end of Brady will be with us out of the
UK at seven past six. Now big change is coming
for the New Zealand Stock Exchange. The chief executive Mark
Peterson has resigned today. He will leave the Inns of

(01:06:56):
X at the end of April after nine years at
the top, and he's with us now.

Speaker 18 (01:07:00):
Mark Hi, hear that. How are you well?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Thank you? How are you? Do you feel relieved?

Speaker 18 (01:07:07):
It's a bit it's been a strange day, you know, when.

Speaker 24 (01:07:09):
A business has been part of your life for a
long time, and you know, obviously the last nine years
we've seen lots of changes and challenges and successes and
you know, and to think that that might come to
the end in April next year is quite a weird feeling.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Do you have friends of mine who have recently quit big,
high profile jobs have had the experience of almost immediately
regretting it once they realize how much people love them
in the role. Are you getting any of that?

Speaker 18 (01:07:36):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:07:36):
I know, there's been lots of really nice messages today,
which is which is very flattering.

Speaker 18 (01:07:40):
But you know, we've still got nine months to go.
That's quite a long time.

Speaker 24 (01:07:43):
It give us a board a chance to find, you know,
a really good new person, and I'm sure they make
a really good job of that. But in the meantime,
we just got it. We've just got to really keep
the pedal down.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
What's brought it on? Why have you decided to go?

Speaker 24 (01:07:57):
Well, a few things really, you know, ten years, ten
years in the organization by the time we get to April,
it'll be nine years in this role. That's a long stint.
You know, I've got to think about, you know, my
career and where I'm at with it. You know, probably
would like another exec role if I can find one before,
you know, before you sort of try and you know,
maybe get into governance type activity. If I don't do,

(01:08:18):
if I don't make that step now, then it starts
to become too late. So you know, you've got to
make these tough calls. But you know, we've also at
the same time to got to a period and the
strategy with the exchange where we've ticked off a bunch
of a bunch of sort of expectations and objectives that
the board is asked of me, and really it's the

(01:08:39):
right time for somebody else to then pick it up
and take it onto the to the to the next wave.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
As reading that the ends of X fifty has increased
by about seventy seven percent since twenty seventeen, what do
you put that down to?

Speaker 10 (01:08:50):
Well, you've got you.

Speaker 24 (01:08:51):
Know, there is economic growth. You know that that you
know that flows through the economy. You know that that's
a big part of it. You know, you've got you know,
the moving parts, if you like, of what makes up
the exchange. You've got the equity side, and the and
the and the dead side. There's a whole lot of factors,
but you know a lot of it comes down to

(01:09:13):
you know, business is actually growing and doing well over
that period, which is always good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Do you see Do you believe that that the investing
culture is taking hold in New Zealand a little bit
more with the advent of the likes of Chasis.

Speaker 18 (01:09:24):
I do, I absolutely do.

Speaker 24 (01:09:25):
I think they've made a big difference for you know,
getting you know, the concept of equities, you know, into
the hands of younger people.

Speaker 18 (01:09:35):
You know, you can see them.

Speaker 24 (01:09:36):
You know, I've got a family members who have used it.
You know, they're really sort of learning, you know, off
the back of that, and I think it's been very
very effective. So now you've got lots of really positive
stuff going on in that regard, and there are other
players as well alongside Cheeses doing similar things. So now
I think, you know, you know, when you think about

(01:09:57):
where the property markets are, you know, how the equity marke,
it's a moving you know, it's great to see that
sort of those productive asset classes, you know, really starting
to have some engagement around it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah, I mean we're obviously headed and we got enough
to invest in is really the thing?

Speaker 18 (01:10:12):
Well, yeah, we do. I mean we love more. I
think that's the I think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
The How do we get more? What do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (01:10:18):
Well, there's a few things to it.

Speaker 10 (01:10:20):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:10:20):
We we see lots of businesses that that are interested
in accessing capital through the markets. You really want those
business to be listed ready. You also need an economic
cycle that's supportive you know, of those of those of
the timings of all of that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:36):
We need the right product.

Speaker 24 (01:10:37):
And when I say that that's a bit colloquial, but
our product is not just made up of what the
exchange does.

Speaker 18 (01:10:43):
It actually is made up of what.

Speaker 24 (01:10:45):
Law makers make create around it and what regulators create.
And the current government has been excellent actually at looking
at some of those regulatory settings and legal settings making
some adjustments around that. Really good progress on that so far.
Lots more to go, and we'd love to go quicker
if we can. But those elements of law and reg

(01:11:08):
and the markets generally, and all the players in the
market's not just the exchange, but all the players that
wrap around it, the brokers, the lawyers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
The.

Speaker 24 (01:11:17):
Investment banking teams and all the rest of it. You know,
they play a big bark and getting things to grow,
and it's all of that that needs to come together.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Good stuff. Mark, go well and thanks very much for
having a chat to us. It's Mark Peterson outgoing INSIDEX
Chief Executive, twelve past.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Six together do for see Ellen's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Jamie mackay very shortly about the protesters. I was very
excited today for one hot little minute because one of
my favorite companies had an announcement that's being Bremworth. They've
announced they're investing six million dollars in a plant in Napier.
And I've said to Laura, I said, you don't go
on then ask them to come on the show. Let's
say to them that we're going to talk to them
about the plant and Napier and then we'll actually we'll

(01:11:52):
just talk to them about wool carpets and we'll see
if we can get the price out of them about
Nikola keeps on refusing to tell me the price. She's like,
I'm not going no, just trust me, Heather, it costs
as much. It's just as the same, same price, whether
you put in synthetic in the state houses or well,
Bremworth's price is so good it's no more experise a
bs to that. So get them on. Let's have a check. No,

(01:12:15):
they saw that coming. They're not stupid, so they said
no thanks. I go on with everybody else because not
everybody is obsessed with the stupid price with square meter
of wool carpet and the state House. Anyway, one day
we're gonna have to call a truce with Bremworth because
we can't keep cutting them out of the show for
everyone account chasing this stupid fact. Anyway, Jamie McKay Next,

(01:12:36):
thirteen past six, It's.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna deal with Fonterra A Myles Harreland just
to take right now though sixteen pass six, Jamie McKay
hosts of the Countries with me Elo.

Speaker 9 (01:12:59):
Jamie, Hello, hither, I'm perplexed to find out what advice
you're going to give the not perplexed. I'm eagerly awaiting
what advice you're going to give the fontira a PR department?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Do you give them?

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:13:12):
Would just say stick to your guns? I mean, what
what do people expect? Do they expect selver Firmed farms
to drop the price of meat domestically in the supermarkets?

Speaker 10 (01:13:23):
You know?

Speaker 18 (01:13:24):
I just think.

Speaker 9 (01:13:26):
I just think the whole thing's a bit of a
beat up. What about zespre Do they have to drop
the price of keywy fruit because they're more expensive because
they're doing well on the global stage? The cost of
button benefits us more than a penallysis is in the supermarket?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I know that might Can I just say this? This
is a complete people have lost their minds. How much
better do you eat in a week?

Speaker 13 (01:13:46):
Jamie Bugger all reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
I reckon if we went through a block in two
I reckon two weeks, we'd go through a block. So
are we literally having this conversation about what's costing me
five dollars a week?

Speaker 9 (01:14:00):
Like get a grip music, Heather, And honestly, if people
want to get up in arms about these sort of things,
forget about the price of butter go and have a
winge and a bitch at your insurance company or your
local body who are ripping you off big time, or
the banks are with your overdraft rates. They're costing you
far more than the butter, which is just a bit

(01:14:20):
of a lightning ride at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Totally thank you. I feel it much better getting that
out of my system anyway. Now, tell me about what's
going on with this group called Climate Liberation out here
or were they up to?

Speaker 9 (01:14:31):
Well, this is I know you've been dying to get
this one out hither. I was hoping to talk about
the Federated Farmer's Banking survey, but never mind, I'll do
as I'm told. Look, this is a humorous story. I
was found in the Otago Daily Times last weekend. So
protesters who are not fans of being pepper sprayed, handcuffed
or locked up in a police spell spent two hours
last week learning how to protest properly. Now, this protest

(01:14:54):
Skills Night was put on by Climate Liberation atro and
it was aimed at showing protests how to demonstrate their
points using nonviolent direct action techniques. So event coordinator Carra
Scott said, we're trying to upscal these students and how
to protest in anticipation of a nationwide action they're going
to take very shortly against the a n Z Bank.

(01:15:17):
And this has all got to do with the Batist
mining resource on the Denniston Plateau. Shane Jones is going
to dig up, dig a hole and take out twenty
million tons of coal. Miss Scott went on to say,
we'll be showing them how to stay calm at protests
and not respond emotionally to high stress situations. It's a
pretty versatile skill set in my opinion, and I'm thinking,

(01:15:41):
why are we subsidizing a university I'm standing like a
grinch here and a grumpy old boomer, but why are
we subsidizing university education to learn this set?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
No, no, it's no, that's absolutely fair enough. So basically
they're learning how to do breathing exercises by the sounds
of things. I don't know kids learning that at kindy.
I mean I could have just sorted them out for
that out for them. Okay, Jomie, thank you appreciate it.
Jamie McKay, you could talk about the survey later. Jamie
McKay hosted The Country, Right. I mean, that is a
fair point about the price of butter, isn't it. I
think just you know, if you will hit up, if

(01:16:10):
you're sitting there going, oh, just just be honest with
yourself about how much butter you're eating every week. Like,
if you're eating one block, it's ten dollars, Yeah, ten dollars, Yeah,
fair enough, it could be five, but now it's ten.
But like, really we're doing all of this about that anyway?
Talk about Miles Hurrale next twenty past six rather whether.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
It's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all on
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Hellen and its for
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Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Oh, Amber, Amber, you have nailed it, Heather. The butter
conversation is crazy. People will pay seven dollars for a
coffee they consume in fifteen minutes. But butter that last
summer week is apparently horrendous. Girl on the money. Now, look,
can I I'm going to talk about Miles hurral This
is the thing that Jamie wants to hear. I'm just
gonna talk about Miles Harroff for a minute because Miles

(01:17:05):
is unfortunately looking like he's being weird about the price
of butter. Now, Miles is not being weird about the
price of butter, but what's actually going on is different
to how it looks Okay, So I feel sorry for Miles.
I want to say that upfront, because I don't think
that Miles is doing anything wrong. And Miles did not
get He did not ask to get dragged into this
by political will by Nikola Willis for political purposes, and
he didn't ask to get chased down the Parliamentary full

(01:17:27):
court by Mikey Sherman and all that kind of nonsense.
And I think he's got a perfectly good explanation for
why the price of butter is slightly higher than it
normally would be. But what is weird is that has
pressed him, has quite clearly told him not to come
on the radio and talk about it. So I gave
him a call today because they declined all so he
had this press conference in christ Church today. Now, no
disrespect to reporters in christ Church, but when you do

(01:17:49):
a press conference in christ Church, you do a press
conference in christ Church because you want to avoid getting
the hard questions, do you know what I mean? Because
you don't want because in Wellington they are rabbit and
in Auckland they can be rabbit, but in christ Church
it's it's just a it's a gentle vibe. And so
if you I mean, here's a free piece of advice.
If you ever find yourself in a difficult situation and

(01:18:11):
you want a story, you want you want an easy interview,
hold a press conference in christ Church. And that's exactly
what happened. I listened to twenty five minutes something that
made me want to go to sleep today. It got
tiny bit awkward for a minute, hot little minute, and
then it stopped being awkward. So they got what they wanted.
But what was weird about it is I said, well,
why doesn't Miles come on the radio with us, because
I'm sympathetic to his position, like I want to chat
through this and how ridiculous it is with him. No,

(01:18:33):
And I was like, well tell me, for God's sake,
you're at least going to go on with Mike Hosking
tomorrow morning, who I can hear has exactly the same
no what is going on? And so I think he's
getting bad advice because I think what's happening, Like I
frankly think the Fonterra team are very lucky that most
of us here at Newstalk z'b are actually you know,

(01:18:53):
rational about economics, and we're not going to give Miles
a hard time for turning up. But geez, that was
a line call, wasn't it, Because there'll be some rabbid
people out there who will But anyway, whatever I think,
when you don't turn up on the radio, you look
like you're being shady and weird and trying to hide something.
They've got nothing to hide, so they should just front
up and get the interview done with and move on.
But the advice has not been great to him, unfortunately.
But yeah, as I say, they're lucky because we all

(01:19:15):
think that Miles is awesome, because Miles is awesome because
have you seen how he's turned Fronterra around? So anyway,
six twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Five together, du for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
In some show biz news.

Speaker 13 (01:19:28):
I'm going down South.

Speaker 18 (01:19:30):
I'm going to have myself to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
South Park has kicked off its twenty seventh season with
a parody of Donald Trump, and they're not holding back
this season. They've got Trump in bed with Satan in
the White House making jokes about the Epstein List, which
is just you know, subtle. The creators of South Park
have recently signed a mass of one point five billion
one point five billion dollar deal with paramount paramount, of course,

(01:19:53):
being the studio who had to settle a sixteen million
dollar lawsuit with the President just recently. The deal will
see fifty new episodes of south Park over the next
five years, and this didn't stop the South Park team
from parodying the studio's recent legal trouble. The season premiere
centered on Trump suing the town of south Park, forcing
them to come to a settlement. But settling comes with

(01:20:14):
a catch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
As part of the settlement, we also had to agree
to doing pro Trump messaging.

Speaker 13 (01:20:20):
How are we supposed to do pro Trump messaging?

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Come on, guys, We're south Park.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
We can do it. Yeah, trut work together.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Even more offensive is that there is currently no way
to watch old episodes of south Park in New Zealand,
and someone probably needs to get on to that. So
there you go, Donald Trump, south Park. What a combination. Now,
speaking of Donald Trump, actually, the White House has reacted
really badly to that report in the Wall Street Journal
that Trump's name appears multiple times in the Epstein files.
I feel like, look, I feel like, for the purposes

(01:20:54):
of not getting too hit up about this and kind
of just keeping our minds on this, let's keep our
common sense. Here are hundreds of people who are named
in the Epstein files, and being named in the Epstein
files is not in and of itself a sign of guilt, right,
But what it does do is it continues the ongoing
bad coverage for President Trump, and it continues the pressure
on him to do something and release these Epstein files.

(01:21:15):
And he doesn't want that anyway. So the White House
has reacted by going septic. Nothing more than a continuation
of the fake news story is concocted by the Democrats
and the liberal media, said one spokesperson. Another fake news story,
just like the previous story by the Wall Street Journal,
said another spokesperson. So you know they are not taking
it hard, are they? Anyway? Take the news next, and

(01:21:37):
then we'll talk to Sam Dickey about what's going on
with US healthcare.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
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Speaker 9 (01:22:09):
To have.

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
That tone?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
What Big Right and Brady's going to be with us
out of the UK?

Speaker 12 (01:22:19):
Surely?

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
By the way, Yes, the Essex Police health I was
telling you about that. Yes, how the press conference over
and I'll get you across that shortly. Also, we're gonna
have to talk about IID funny little thing. Funny little
thing there twenty five away from seven. Now, America's healthcare
sector is a bit of a crossroads. The US spends
almost twenty percent of its GDP on healthcare. It's nearly
double the OECD average. But there is pressure to cut wastage,

(01:22:41):
and this of course has implications for the big healthcare
players who've all been reporting over the last little while.
Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us evening. Sam,
good evening. You give us a little bit of a
detail on the big picture here and what the government
is trying to do about it.

Speaker 25 (01:22:55):
Yes, this ties into what you and I were talking
about in June. So remember US cup debt to GDPs
one hundred and twenty five percent versus say New Zealand
at fifty and healthcare spinning is an obvious target. Like
you say, almost twice the OECD average as a percentage
of GDPs spent on healthcare, which is five trillion dollars
and at least a trillion dollars of that, experts say

(01:23:17):
is wasted. So how's that wasted? Administrative bloat is massive,
So the US has an incredibly convoluted patchwork of public
and private insurers with thousands of different insurance plans, and
big hospitals, for example, dedicate entire departments with hundreds of
employees just to hand all the insurance claims, the denials,

(01:23:39):
the resubmittances. Then there's the middlemen that distributors everyone with
their handout clapping the ticket and to feed all those mouths.
US drug prices are extremely inflated versus the rest of
the world. So to take the EpiPen or ozepic for example,
that the popular weight loss drug, they sell it ten
times the price in the US versus say the UK
or Ossie. So that's the problem, but it's really really

(01:24:01):
hard to fix. So in twenty eighteen, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos,
and Jamie Diamond set up a joint venture to tackle
this bloat. So think about those three guys. You probably
couldn't get three more capable people on Earth together in
a room to solve a problem, and they failed. So
the joint venture quietly dissolved. Defeated by the sheer amount

(01:24:21):
of greed, vested interests and massive political clout of the
healthcare players.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
So, as I said earlier, we've had some of these
big healthcare players reporting over the last little while. What
have the results told us about this?

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
That's right.

Speaker 25 (01:24:34):
So companies like Boston Scientific, Danaher and child of Surgical,
and Icon of all reported results. So in child of
Surgical that we've spoken about this one before, the leading
soft tissue robotic surgery company, they sell their robots to
hospitals and they said on the result that hospitals not
just in the US but around the world are tightening
the purse strings. Danaher, who manufactures the tools that big

(01:24:59):
farm companies used to develop a mass produce drugs, said
it's big farmer customers like Pfizer continue cutting costs as
government pressure mounts to reduce drug prices. And Icon, who
are a outsourced clinical trial company that tests drugs for
farmer companies that has been under immense pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
What does this all mean for investors?

Speaker 25 (01:25:23):
Well, the good news is both Democrats and Republicans support
cutting waste. So you've had the Inflation Reduction Act in
twenty twenty two, which reduced prices the government pays for drugs,
and Trump's Most Favored Nation policy aims to tie US
drugs to the lowest prices paid by the developed countries.
But as an investor, it's critical to determine whether the
healthcare company you own is contributing to the problem or

(01:25:44):
helping solve it. So big farmer companies charging excessive US
drug prices are right in the cross is as are
distributed as and middleman. But Boston Intuitive and Icon, for example,
they're part of the solution. So Icon's clinical research expertise
can complete drug trials twelve months faster and up to
twenty percent cheaper than than their farmer customers. Boston reported

(01:26:05):
forty percent higher patient through put out its cardiac or
heart centers, they reduced unnecessary patient stays by twenty five
percent and cut procedure times by fifteen percent over the
last few years, and Tudor's robotic systems massively speed up
surgical backlog. So make sure you're part of the solution
as an investigator, But tread carefully generally, because if the

(01:26:27):
bloated supertanker that is the US healthcare system is finally turning,
you do not want to be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
In its path.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
A very good advice, Sam, Thank you so much as always, Sam,
Dickie Fisher Funds will talk to you again soon as
twenty one away from seven ever, I thought this was fascinating,
right Nanogirl, You know nanogirl. Nanogirl owes ird more than
two hundred and sixty five thousand dollars. The business went
into liquidation in November and it's split up. I think
it's something like one hundred and eighty thousand dollars in
unpaid GST and about eighty six and a half thousand

(01:26:55):
dollars on PAI. Anyway, that's not the thing I'm interested in. Actually,
what I'm interested in is this comment from Damien Grant,
who's the director of an insolvency firm called Waterstone. He says,
a one hundred and eighty thousand dollar GST debt is
very small quote. I doubt an IRD enforcement officer would
get up from their desk for that. I looked at that,

(01:27:17):
I thought, I mean, it's small in the context of
the economy, I suppose. But you get a few of
those together and it's not small anymore. You get you
get ten of those together, and you're paying for Sunny
Kochial's out. But aren't you just like that? Anyway? Feels
to me like I'm reading into that. I'm guessing that
we're leaving a whole bunch of one hundred and eighty
thousand dollar debts out there unclaimed. Anyway, I said this
in the newsroom today store, I don't know, this seems

(01:27:39):
like a lot of money. That's like two people's pay packets.
And then somebody piped up and said, well, actually, yeah, no,
this happens all the time. I've got a family member
who has a four hundred thousand dollar debt outstanding to
ID for ten years. ID hasn't even come knocking. I mean, hello, hello,
can we give you? Know how we gave ID a
few more resources and they went hard on the people
who were not paying their student loans. Can we give

(01:28:02):
them some more resources? Go hard on this the GST bills.
This sounds like a really good idea. It seems like
some low hanging fruit there. Now, Rebel Wilson, you read
about this bird a and I don't know, starting I
worry for Rebel Wilson that maybe Rebel needs an intervention.
So Rebel Wilson, you know, Rebel the Hollywood star who's

(01:28:24):
from Australia. She's facing another lawsuit, and this time the
lawsuit claims that she deliberately blocked her own film's release
with legal threats and falsely outed a young actor as
a victim of sexual misconduct. What it is is that
there's a movie called The deb which is a musical
comedy based on a stage show, and it stars a

(01:28:44):
young one called Charlotte, Charlotte mcinness. Now, what happened in
July last year is that Rebel Wilson claimed that she
had reported bad behavior by the film's producers, and she
names three of them, and she says not minor things,
big things, inappropriate behavior towards the lead actress of the film.
This is Charlotte mcinness, embezzling funds from the film's budget, etc.

(01:29:06):
One of the allegations that she's made is that one
of the producers asked the young one to shower with
her and a BONDI will shower with him. I'm assuming
actually in a BONDI penthouse apartment, and that it was
some sort of sexual assault or sexual abuse or something
like that. Anyway, she said, I made the movie, this
great movie, The deb and then you know, almost at
the finish line, they're saying, you know, it can't come out.

(01:29:26):
They might not release it, they might bury it.

Speaker 15 (01:29:28):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
The producers are not happy about these allegations. They have
now launched a lawsuit in the United States claiming that
Wilson has in fact a famed them. They say she
has knowingly spread false information online and breached her contractual
duties by effectively blocking the film's release. She threatened the
Australian distributor of the film that she would obtain an
injunction when she actually can't. But as a result of
that threat, the Australian distributor with drew its proposal to

(01:29:51):
distribute the film. And it's probably notable that the thing
premiered in September last year at the Toronto Film Festival,
but as yet to reach cinema a moduling allegations between
Win Wilson and her business partners. Anyway, if you read
there is even I am giving you a pricey by
the way of this, there is even more. There is

(01:30:11):
more back and forth on this, and when you read
some more, you do start to worry about how Rebel
is going, because it does feel slightly conspiratorial and weird anyway,
doesn't sound like we're ever going to see the deb
does it? Seventeen away from seven?

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
End Brady UK Correspondence with US Evening Ender. Hello, I
have very great to speak to you, Ga, It's good
to chat to you. So Starma is going to sign
a major trade deal today, yes.

Speaker 13 (01:30:43):
With India. So the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Moldy is
here and they're going to meet at Checkers, which is
the country retreat of the UK Prime Minister in Buckinghamshire.
So it will all be very formal. But there is
a lot of money behind this and Starma is banging
this rum. It will eventually be worth somewhere in the
region of about ten billion dollars to the UK economy.

(01:31:06):
That kind of figure getting injected in is badly, badly needed.
So Stammer's painting this as a win. And what we'll
see as well is major reductions in tariffs on UK
goods going into India, so car parts and vehicles for example,
will be reduced. It's a big win for the Scottish
whiskey industry because Scotch whiskey is extremely popular with middle

(01:31:28):
class India and right now they have huge tariffs, so
they will be reduced as well, and in return, India
will have tariffs reduced on the kind of goods day
scent here, from mangoes and grapes to clothing and textiles.
And interestingly, they've also asked for twelve hundred visas for
yoga instructors to come to the UK, so we may

(01:31:48):
be getting a better standard of yoga instructor out of this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
So is it a visa for a visit or is
it a visa for living for long term?

Speaker 13 (01:31:58):
I think it'll be long term working And that in
itself is controversial of course, because Starmer's trying to drive
down migration numbers. And in addition to that, there's also
a proviso here for Indians coming to the UK on
short term contracts to not pay national insurance, which is
another form of tax. But they've ironed it all out.
The deal has been done and in two hours time

(01:32:20):
Moody and Starmer will sign it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Are you going to watch the mastershift.

Speaker 13 (01:32:26):
Do you know what, out of curiosity I will the
BBC having announced that the season that they already have
filmed and in the can and ready to go. The
problem they have with screening this is it features Greg
Wallace and John Torode, both of whom will not be
coming back various allegations. There was one allegation of bad
language and behavior upheld against Turoad, which he denied. Wallace

(01:32:49):
had something like forty five allegations of inappropriate behavior and
touching and groping everything He denied. Forty five allegations upheld
against Greg Wallace. So the BBC are saying it was
a very difficult decision to make, but ultimately they owe
it to the contestants to screen it, and they say
it will be edited heavily so that the show features

(01:33:11):
more of the contestants.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Are they going to try and edits Greg and John
down as much as possible?

Speaker 13 (01:33:19):
I think it'll be pretty much Hello, this is Master
Chef and then goodbye. That was this week's Master Chef.
I think if the editors get their way, that would
be it. But how Greg Wallace got on Master Chef
is a mystery to me. He was a fruit and
vege guy off of Greengrocers. Best look to him. He
made it work for himself for as long as it lasted.
But I don't know. I find that he's one of

(01:33:40):
the mysteries of UK TV. Greg Wallace.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
What wasn't he brought in to sort of be their
working class guy and just appeal a little bit more
to the working class viewers.

Speaker 13 (01:33:48):
Oh, look at some BBC management bods. They've obviously done
some kind of polling and they've realized that there's an
awful lot of kind of so we say middle aged
ball the white men who watch TV and they need
to see a reflection of themselves. And that's how Greg
Wallace ended up on Mastershift. Good luck to him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Now, how do you make fifteen million dollars on a
property in what like one year?

Speaker 13 (01:34:14):
So this is Ellen DeGeneres, the famous TV American host
who basically came over here after Trump's victory. She had
bought a property last summer in the Cotswolds in Gloucestershire,
and yeah, she's done some renovations to it, but she's
doing what they call flipping, buying something do with up

(01:34:34):
and then sell it on. Yeah, so the price increase
in one year is fifteen million and z dollars. People
are scratching their heads. Apparently she's only moving because her wife,
who's from Australia, wants more land for their horses and
this property doesn't really have that. But I mean, why
wouldn't you've you've got all the money they have, wouldn't

(01:34:54):
you have taught about the horses a year ago? The
price tag is fifteen million eg more than they bought
it for. If you've got forty five million spare you
can buy Ellen DeGeneres's place in the Cotswoltz. The downside
is you'll be living next door.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Jeremy Clarkson, Oh okay, this is all suddenly becoming quite
attractive to me. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Ender Brady UK, Chris, I mean, I was wondering, I
don't know were you wandering. I was wondering what am
I gonna do with that fifteen million dollars plus you
know plus plus? I thought, geez, I could put in
the share market, or I could just buy Ellen's house.

(01:35:29):
It seems like a you know, slam dunk. There By
the way, if you do have some spare cash now
is the time. Now is the time to get the
renovation done. Now's the time to get the the whatever
done that you need to get done. Get the pool
out the back, get the deck, get the whatever, get
the get the granny flat. Because construction firms are reportedly
slashing and with some sadness that I say this, construction

(01:35:52):
firms are slashing their their quotes by fifty percent at
the moment. They are so hard up work that they
will they will do it at a cut rate. I mean,
surely at fifty percent. Surely at fifty percent they're not
even making money. So maybe they're just trying to keep
the things ticking over. But anyway, if it you know,
it works for you, and it works for them to
do the work now rather than waiting for it to

(01:36:12):
pick up. Because if you get them now, then you
tied them over and you get a decent deal on that.
The only problem you're going to have is that rain
that just keeps on delaying everything. Twenty What was I
going to say? Twenty away from seven? Let's try again?
Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Okay, so Essex, I was telling you about this yesterday, right,
This is the Essex Police being being busted with footage
escorting people protesters to accounter protest at the Migrant Hotel.
The police boss there, the Chief Constable of the Essex Police,
has held a press conference overnight New Zealand Time and
urged political leaders to consider the consequences of their words.
And that was basically directed at Nigel Farage, because Nigel

(01:36:57):
Farage had demanded that he resign over it. And he
is absolutely adamant that they didn't escort because it would
appear that what he's saying is they didn't bust anyone
to the counter protest. They just walked them to the
counter protest, you know, to keep them safe, and then
they walked them away again to keep them safe. I guess.

(01:37:18):
I guess people will decide for themselves how they feel
about it, and it's and time will tell how this
goes down and whether people in Essex are convinced by it.
There's some question for you. Okay, this is really Colbert.
What's his first name, Stephen, Stephen Colbert. Is it sadder
that there were people who turned up to protest outside

(01:37:39):
CBS to protest CBS and say please keep this wonderful
show going. Is it sadder that they are protesting such
a lame, not funny show, or is it sadder that
only a few dozen of them turned up. I'm gonna
go with both. I'm going to go with the fact
that there are only a few dozen who turned up
out of a country as big as America. I feel

(01:38:00):
like the fact that a few doesn't turned up is
pretty sad and probably an indication of the fact that
it's a crappy show.

Speaker 22 (01:38:06):
And I remember when there was a big protest movement
here to get KFC to keep hot and spicy year round,
and I'm pretty sure there was like a couple hundred
people who protested outside the KFC.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
That's right, New Zealand more about KFC.

Speaker 22 (01:38:17):
Yeah, you need a couple hundred to save a TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
I also appreciate that a lot of your conversations look
back to KFC.

Speaker 22 (01:38:23):
I'll tell you what I think I need to start
charging them. Don't know, it is a bit weird health
when it's coming up to know what this is about
my life lab. I don't know whether they're into KFC,
but anyway, they're going to be performing at Totunga and
Auckland and the Gold Coast over the summer. They've announced
their summer tour and it's got a pretty solid support
line up as well. They've got Stan Walker at aDNA
te where he and then you get a different special

(01:38:44):
guest depending on which show you go to. So if
you go into the Auckland show on January the thirty first,
you're going to get a Nesian mystic. But before that,
if you go to the one that kicks the tour
off on December twenty seventh, then Todunger you will get Corella.
And if you go to the if you fly over
the Gold Coast for gen Orry the third, you will
get Guitar.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
So there you go, Hey, Nieza, I reckon Auckland gets
the best deal there, Nieze and Mistick as a blast
from the past, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:39:07):
So's a Radna as well, and I actually think that
overall and then to where he's just breaking through now.
So this is a very solid lineup for a headline show.
Lab have done very well with this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah, l Ab actually are pretty good, actually pretty pretty
good anyway, Enjoy and we will see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
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