Full Show Podcast: 24 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
They afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming out today. Building
in Construction Minister Chris pank on him forcing homeowners to
take out of building warranty. We're going to get your
details on whether the new proposed KEYPI Saber change is
from the National Party, won't just be coming out of
your pay packet, which of course it will. And also
Nichola Willi's Finance minister after.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Six, Heather Dupercy out.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Okay, you tell me if you think I'm wrong, but
I reckon there's a market for imperfect food that is
not being fully catered for. There's a report out today
by the Otago University and the Ministry for the Environment
and it lays bare just how much food we actually
throw away and it ends up being for every single
person every single year, about two hundred and fifty kilograms
worth of food. Like that's a lot of food to

(00:52):
be thrown away. But the thing about it is, for
once at least it's not you and I who are
largely to blame here. It's everybody before the food gets
to it. It's the farmers, the growers, the process is
the wholesale of the fruit and veggie shops, the supermarkets,
all the retailers. They are doing two thirds of the wasting.
Most of the food that they throw away is edible,
seventy eight to eighty five percent of it can still

(01:14):
be eaten. Now, the report doesn't say why the food
is being wasted, but we can guess why it's being wasted.
I mean, the grower has maybe grown too many lettuces,
more than the supermarket once, just leaves them lying on
the field. The apples come off the tree of funny shape.
A consumer is not going to want that gets thrown away.
The flower has hit the best before date. No one's
going to bake an entire thousand cakes with it, so
they just get rid of it. Nothing actually wrong with

(01:36):
the food. Now, this is where I wonder if all
of these guys have missed a trick, Because I don't
mind a funny shaped apple as long as it tastes good,
and if it's going to cost me twenty percent less
than a perfectly shaped apple, I'm gonna buy it. I
already buy the stuff from Woolworths in the odd bunch bags.
You know that's supposed to be cheaper because it's not
as perfect. I constantly ignore the best before dates because

(01:57):
I think they're far too conservative. Now I realize that
for some food processes, selling it a discount just makes
the exercise unjustifiable, because the cost of labor for sorting
out the duds and then transporting them, which has a
cost only to offer a discount might make the whole
exercise for them economically unviable. But if it isn't, if
they can still make a dollar while selling the product
for cheaper. I reckon that in a cost of living

(02:19):
crisis where groceries are just so unbelievably pricey at the moment,
if we ever had the chance to snap ourselves out
of the subsession with eating perfect apples. Now's the time
sample of one here, But I reckon there's a market
for the edible off casts at a cheaper price.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Heather due for celan.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Let me know what you think. Nine two ninety two
is the text number, and then we're going to talk
to one of the people behind this reporter, Professor of
nutrition at Otago University. After half past five, now Air
New Zealand A the problems get worse. They're under pressure
now to save Christmas for thousands of travelers because the
cabin crew union has told the airline its workers are
going to go on strike on December the eighth. In

(03:00):
New Zealand are saying if the strike does go ahead,
it could unpack fifteen thousand travelers over the weekend. The
airline also faced criticism from two prominent business commentator Sam
Stubbs in one newspaper and Bruce Cottrell in another newspaper
for a sliding performance and the price of flying. And
Bruce Cottrell is with us. Now, Hi, Bruce, good aheader,
what about that strike? Did you think Jesus can't get
any worse?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, it could always get worse, I suppose. But it's
just about setting our expectations, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah? Well yeah, but setting our is the expectation, not
set by the price though, Bruce, And the price is
so high exactly?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, And that's what I tried to say in the
column here, that this is it's not a cheap service,
is it's And you expect performance when you're paying a
thousand bucks to fly return to Wellington? Yeah, and you
do expect a level of performance and that level of
performance isn't there at the moment. So it's frustrating. It's
frustrating for travelers. I'm sure it's frustrating for a New
Zealand as well.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I wonder, I mean, what set you off, what got
you to finally write this column. Was the new CEO
basically saying everything was fine at the airline. I just
wanted because I'd also pick that up. And I just
wonder if they do not realize how how opinion is
turning against them, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I think? I think a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
One was one was that comment, and you're quite right
when he said that the airline was in fantastic shape
when he was on with Mike one morning. The other
the other comment that really grated me was after arriving
in Wellington an hour and twenty five minutes late and
missing a meeting, for the pilot to come on the
speaker and apologize for being quote a bit late. You know,

(04:38):
I just and that's that's what I mean about expectations.
If the if the team are in New Zealand are
lowering their expectations and an hour and twenty five is
just a bit late, then those expectations will never recover.
And you know yourself, right, if you don't aspire to
be better, you'll never be better. And that's and and
we just need we just need a bit of as

(04:59):
a country at the time. It's not just in New Zealand.
I think the whole country needs it.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, And I think you're right. Do you think that
we're just kind of becoming a bit mediocre in our brains?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, I don't know if we're becoming mediocre, but I
do think if you know we're sitting around but still
blaming COVID, then there's something wrong with us. You know,
we are a country that have become what we what
we are, or what we at least were until recently,
by boxing above our weight. And I think we're starting
to see a lot of evidence of not wanting to

(05:31):
do that anymore for whatever reason. And you know, I
put off writing that column for two years because I
don't want to knock in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
But see it's getting hard to remain silent.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
And the feedback that we've had over the weekend as
a result of the column would indicate that I'm not
the only one that's feeling like that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Now you're not. You're not the only one at all.
And I'm going to talk about this later on actually,
because I think you're onto something there. How long before
you start flying Jetstar.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, I don't, as I say in the column, I
don't want to be that guy. I want I want
in New Zealand to be outrageously successful, and I don't
want to be the person that takes the cheaper option
or flies with flies with the enemy. I'd rather do
everything I can to support New Zealand or endz Inc
or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
But we do have to lift our sites. We have
to lift our own expectations of ourselves and of the
businesses that are there to service. Otherwise we will We'll
end up going to do something else.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And Air New Zealand is losing the loyal customers. So
what is your one tip to Air New Zealand if
you could give them one.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
If I could get them give them one tip, I
would say, recover the aspiration to be the best airline
in the world and give you people at the front
line who are interacting with your customers, the permission to
solve the customers problem.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, Bruce, Thank you very much. It's so good to
talk to you. Appreciate it. Bruce Cuttural professional director, business
leader and advis and of course our Herald columnist, which
is where he wrote it in the Herald. You know,
honestly that column I got. I got sent to that
column randomly by one of my friends, and then I
had to talk to the boss over the weekend who
just brought it up. He's like, oh, did you see
what Bruce said. Everybody's talking about the column. If you

(07:10):
haven't read the column, go and read the column. We're
going to talk about it because I have more to
sound it, but I don't have time right now. I'm
going to talk about it with you later on. Heather,
we get the Wonky Box. I love it. I get
I know the Wonky Box actually is a thing, isn't it.
I need to get into the Wonky Box. I do
the odd Can I make this observation about the odd bunch.
This is the if you don't shop at Woolworth's, the

(07:30):
odd bunches where they get like all the kind of
like funny food and get you can buy your odd
bunch of apples and you odd bunch of pears, and
you odd bunch mandarins. And I don't actually buy mandarins
unless they're the odd bunch mandarins. But I'd be beggar
if I can tell you what's odd about it. When
it arrives, they look perfectly good to me. I'm like,
you call this odd? What's odd about? I think maybe
they're a little bit smaller. I don't really know what
it is. It doesn't it doesn't seem odd to me.

(07:52):
And if that's out, like, if the stuff I'm getting
is like perfectly good, then I think we're unrealist. I
think we're completely unrealistic with what we think needs to
be on the shelves and the supermarkets. Anyway, listen, the
Ukraine proposed the proposed Ukraine peace Plan. It sounds like
it's making some headway, so you'll be aware. Of course,
the Trump laid out some completely unacceptable terms for Ukraine.

(08:15):
Looks like it was just copypasted from what Russia wanted.
They and then there was the deadline of it all
needs to be done by Thursday. The US and the
Ukraine negotiators are in Geneva and they reckon they've made
some tweaks, so they're getting somewhere with it. Thursday is
no longer the deadline that Trump is said. Looks more
like the talks are going to carry on into the week,
and of course you know it, Thursday will come and go,

(08:36):
Thanksgiving in the States will come and go, and lust
we'll be talking about it. But at least it looks
like they're headed somewhere. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
It's the Heather Topers see Alan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZEBI.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Hither our Sun heads up the food Rescue here in
christ They're doing exactly what you're advocating, and then they're
distributing it to needy organizations. Bruce, That's cool, but what
I'm saying to you is not only people in need,
but like people who earn money. I would I would
rather pay twenty percent list and get something as slightly misshapen,
wouldn't you? I think you can sell this stuff. Nineteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Good Sport with tab Multi, Fast, Easy and more codes Sorry,
eighteen bit Responsibly.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Jason Pine Sports Talk Cooasters with Me, Hello Piney, Hello Heather. Okay,
rate the All Blacks year for me and let's do
it out of five?

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Okay, Well, what we should do with if I go three, two, one,
and we both give our mark.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Out of five, okay, out of five?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Ye about of ten?

Speaker 6 (09:30):
What about out of ten our mark out of ten?

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Go okay?

Speaker 6 (09:33):
So three to one pretty close. You're a tough marker. Yeah,
I'm giving them just I'm giving them the extra mark
because ten out of thirteen is a record that a
lot of Tier one nations would love. But I think
there are still a lot of unanswered questions, as your
five out of ten suggests. You know, no Rugby Championship,

(09:55):
no Grand Slam. Yes they kept the Bletter Slow Cup
and that was that was good. But in Australian side,
is still the.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Problems that are plaguing them at the end of this
year that we're plaguing them at the start of last year.
Massive deficits in terms of losses.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
That those third quarter blues are crazy, a like not
being out of score points or stop conceding them, you know,
the twenty minutes after halftime. Look a year from now,
after this massive tour of South Africa with what three
tests over there plus the one of the neutral location,
if we're ten from thirteen back in the next year,
that's probably not too bad. Considering four of them are
against a terrific South African side. But will we get there?

(10:31):
That's that's the thing?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is it the actual is it? Is it the number
of I think looking at the number of tests that
you win is kind of not the right metric. I
think it's it's the quality of the game that's being played, right,
you see the problems there?

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Yeah, great point because we beat France and three tests
at the start of July or into July, and none
of the three were really great performances. But there are
three wins there. Whereas you look at the win over
South Africa and Auckland, that was a terrific performance that night,
but they have been a bit few and far between.
So yeah, I think we leave twenty twenty five in
an all black sense, with a sense of not really

(11:07):
being sure if the improvement has been enough for us
to feel confident about the World Cup in two years time.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
So Piney on Friday, I was surprised to read in
Gregor and you and I talked about Gregor Paul's piece,
but what I didn't talk to you about was the
fact that Scott Raiser Robinson is actually not the head
coach in the way that we would consider a traditional
head coach. He's a culture coach. He's a manager type figure, right,
And is it Scott Hanson who's the actual head coach?
That's surprising to me? Is it to you?

Speaker 6 (11:32):
It is surprising to me too, And I think that
might be one change they have to make. They have
to get razorback on the grass as a hands on coach,
because I think that's how he was initially anyway, and
maybe later in this time at the Crusades he moved
into more of this sort of overseeing role. But he
was initially a very good on the grass rugby coach.
And with Jason Holland leaving now I don't think they'll
replace him. I think they'll just, you know, give all

(11:55):
the responsibilities out quite a bit to Scott Robinson. After all,
he's the head coach, which he's the one who lives
and dies by the results of the team. If I'm him,
I want to have my hands dirty within that team.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
So is it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Possible that actually that may go some way to explaining
why we looked at the Crusaders and they were just
absolutely brilliant. And then Scott Raiser Robertson moves to the
all blacks and they're not brilliant because he's not the coach.
Because when we're looking at the team, this is not
a scott this is not a razor team, this is
a handsome team.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Well, I think also the fact that coaching at Super
Raby level allows you to be a man manager because
you have your team with you the whole time. Right,
You've got five or six months together with them. That
is enough time. It's like, you know, that's being in
a workplace with them all blacks. It's like they come
in and out. He doesn't have a long time with them.
So building that culture being a great man manager is
a lot more difficult at all blacks level than crusaders level.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Now, what happened to England? I mean two days? Got
the hell?

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Imagine if you had tickets for day three, if you're
all set for your day at the cricket and there's
no cricket, this is astonishing read. I think guys have
just forgotten how to bat. You know, they love the
T twenty, they smack it around everywhere and they get
to the white clothing on the red ball. They forget
how to play. So yeah, like crazy, but yeah, good entertainment.
I guess, but yeah, no, you wouldn't want to take
us today through.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Brilliant Hey, thank you Pioneers, always appreciated. Jason Pines Sports
Store Coast. He'll be back at seven. The Telegraph has
probably got the best summation of what happens. Here's by
Sirjeffrey Boycott and the headliners. I cannot take the stupid
England team seriously anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
For twenty three, the headlines and the hard questions. It's
the make asking breakfast time.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Minister is with us.

Speaker 9 (13:31):
Now do you want to talk about the coup?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
The what the coup?

Speaker 9 (13:34):
Well, but the christ Bership coup. He's coming for you
what I'm listening.

Speaker 10 (13:37):
I cannot be honest, it's quite hard to take this
seriously because I've read all of this before four years.

Speaker 9 (13:43):
I'm listening to hitherto Flicy Allen. He's coming for you.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Look, I don't think that is the case.

Speaker 10 (13:47):
He is a great minister, he's a good friend and
he's doing an awesome job.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Where has all this come from?

Speaker 11 (13:51):
Me?

Speaker 9 (13:51):
Like, I don't know, it's hard to take it seriously.

Speaker 10 (13:53):
As I said before, I've been reading this stuff ever
since I came here.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
But I'm very focused on what I've got to do.
You will lead the National Party to the twenty twenty
six absolutely, no question, no question. Back tomorrow at six
am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Defendant News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Like no one else News Talk Zedbhither.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Does this Bruce, this clown Bruce, it's Bruce Cottrel Does
this clown Bruce know how much it costs to run
an airline? Yes, mate, he does. He's paying the tickets
that run the airline. We all know how much of
bloody costs to run an airlines coming out of our
bank accounts. Hither I'm a summer fruit grower, A big
part of the wasted food, as she was squarely to
do with the cost of labor. If you can't get

(14:40):
the best wholesale price in the market for any given product,
then twenty five percent of the time it's not worth
picking process and cost of freight to market. You lose
less money by just leaving it in the field. Market
return needs to grow at twice the rate of the
labor cost to keep pace. Hope that provides a perspective.
Thank you, Simon. That's actually what I thought was going
on in some part. So some of it is just
left there in the fields because it's just you make

(15:02):
no money if you pick it and then transported and
sorted and so on. Listen a little bit more detail.
This is the detail we've been waiting for with the
building and construction overhaul that Chris Pink is doing. The
last thing was, well, who's going to pay? Right if
we're not gonna have counsels as the kind of insurer
of last resort? Who pays if five years down the
track you find your house is leaky. Turns out you

(15:24):
pay because you're going to have to get out or
you're gonna have to get a warranty on your renovation.
If you're doing any renovation that's over the cost of
home warranties for all new residential buildings three stories or
under and renovations of one hundred thousand dollars over. So
if you're spending that much money on a renovation, you're
taking out a warranty. Now Vagan to say it's not
a big cost, it's like two hundred and seventy five
dollars a year for ten years or whatever it is.

(15:45):
I don't know. I'm not sure we'll get the cost
from Chris Pink. I'm not sure this is going to
be people are going to be stoked about this. But
I suppose you have to crack some eggs, you know, occasionally. Anyway,
He's with us after five o'clock. News is Next, News
Talks FV.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Today's newsmakers talk to Heather First. Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile
News Talks ENV.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Good afternoon, Heather. Would you please ask your building regulation
expert if there is a time limit for a renovation
over one hundred thousand dollars? Please? I mean, why can't
I schedule or plan a renovation of fifty thousand and
then another of say sixty thousand a few months later
to avoid the REGs? Trevor, very good question, and we'll
be putting that to the minister who will be your
building regulation expert today. He'll bear us after five. Also,

(16:42):
what we're going to talk about is key we save
another big key we save. The announcement yesterday from Chris Luxon,
Very good one. Actually, I think to take us to
you know, I mean it's a bit of a stretch
to say it's the same as Australia, but we'll go
with it. It's twelve percent twelve percent. Obviously, if you
understand anything about how the world works, you know what
this means is you're not going to get a pay rise.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So if this kicks in in twenty thirty and you're
putting in six percent, and your employer's putting in six percent,
which basically means your income is putting twelve percent of
your income into your key, we savor you know that
that is part of your total package. Any rational, sane
employer is calculating it like that. They're going I would

(17:23):
normally give this person one hundred thousand dollars, but let's
lop twelve percent off and then we'll offer them that
and then we can add the twelve percent back on
and that will be their total package. I think everybody's
worried that's going to happen. It's going to happen. That's
how it works. We're going to talk to Rupert Carline,
who is a wealth managing director after five, just see
if it's possible to avoid it. The answer is, of
course no, it's not politics, and ten minutes time, twenty

(17:44):
three away from five it's.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
The world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive.

Speaker 12 (17:48):
So.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
The latest political poll in Australia has identified a key
rival for Susan Lee as opposition leader. When asked who
should be the coalition leader, twenty one percent of the
people polled said Susan Lee, but fifteen percent than pointed
to Andrew Hasty. Liberal deputy leader Ted O'Brien says Susan's
job is safe.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Susan Lee did a fantastic job last week out there
prosecuting the case for affordable energy.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Of course she will continue to lead our party.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Over in the US, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio
is starting to sound more and more like his boss.
He says, there has been tremendous progress in peace negotiations
with Ukrainian and European leaders.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I think today was worthwhile.

Speaker 13 (18:26):
It was very, very very.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
It is probably the most productive day we have had
on this issue, maybe in the entirety of our engagement,
but certainly in a very long time.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
And finally, the world is more mental than you could
possibly ever have imagined. There is a judge in Missouri
who regularly wears an Elvis weg in court in court,
in court, and has agreed to step down because what
Judge Matthew Thornhill was doing was he puts the weg
on and then he occasionally plays Alvas songs off his

(18:57):
phone to bring a bit of levity to court proceedings.
You don't relax the litigans. He's not actually allow au
to do that. So he's agreed to step down in
order to avoid a disciplinary hearing.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business Wow on.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Of the Peterson six pur perth Love presenters with us,
Hello Ali, get aheader. So the seventy four year old
has fallen off the cruise, the disney cruise that's it
can't find.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
No, isn't it awful?

Speaker 14 (19:24):
Imagine going on a disney cruise because it would be
the trip of a lifetime, wouldn't it. But an elderly
passenger it died after jumping overboard on that one way
sailing from Australia to New Zealand. So there's been a
fair search there was not found. Now the ship is
due to arrive tomorrow. There in Auckland, but that's going
to be pushed back until the twenty sixth of November,

(19:47):
so looking to be harrowing time, wouldn't it For the
what one thousand crew and captain and those passengers on
board the ship. It was meant to be a five
nights sailing cruise from Melbourne Auckland. Of course, Disney's actually
pulling out of our market. But that is very, very
sad news. The guest has not been found, the search
has been called off, and are they're going to spend
an extra night at sea?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
How long do you give Susan before Andrew rolls her?

Speaker 7 (20:10):
Well, definitely into the new year. What's the point going now?

Speaker 14 (20:13):
The government is obviously riding high in the polls and
where a good two years plus away from a federal election.
So I just don't see there being any point at
the moment challenging Susan Lee and rolling her. Maybe to
give you a bit of a breather over summer if
you're a Newish opposition leader, that the pressures off you,
I suppose for six weeks or so, but I think

(20:35):
Susan Lee will be given to the end of the
first quarter of twenty twenty six, So by the end
of March, I'd be surprised to see her still there.
Opinion polls will probably keep tracking downwards. She's trying to
be upbeat and say, look, we're going to tackle migration
next after resolving their energy policies. I think that there
is no real appetite to challenge and change the leader now.
And as you just read out in those Newspole results,

(20:56):
what fifteen percent of people only know who Andrew Hasty
is and he's over from my side of the world
here in Western Australia. He has a lot of work
to do for people in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane in particular.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Do we even know who he is?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah? I mean you know what, do you think she
wants to retain the job?

Speaker 14 (21:11):
Not really ultimately I don't, but I also think you
would believe that you would want to give this your
all because this may be and it will be her
only opportunity once she's gone.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
She's gone.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
Yeah, so you're not going to give up without giving
it everything that you have and trying to hold onto power.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Because I was going to say, if she wants the job,
you know what happens between now and March, then as
things get really weird, because that's what always happens. They
start to try too hard for the job and then
they just get weird as.

Speaker 14 (21:38):
And even the fact that she's trying to you know,
even the fact that she has to sell a policy
now from the coalition that has abandoned that zero, she
doesn't believe in that. It's the same with the Sheep
movement last year, you know, try and keep live export
trade going. She doesn't believe in that. And she also
doesn't believe, in her heart of hearts, in the drastic
measures that the party wants to take the direction for
immigration policy. So how can you have a leader who

(22:01):
personally doesn't believe in what she's trying to sell?

Speaker 7 (22:03):
It just it doesn't end up cutting the mustard?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Hey, did you go to the ashes? Absolutely? I did
day one or day two both.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
I took Friday off and went Saturday. And how's this header?
This is the best thing ever.

Speaker 14 (22:14):
My seven year old Edward, we were meant to leave
at four o'clock on Saturday and he said to me, Dad,
we're not going anywhere. And now he just like I've
brainwashed him successfully that he realizes The Australian Cricket team
is the greatest team of all time and anytime we
play England India New Zealand, we're going to flog you.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, okay, cool, So you've just said like that's like
telling him that that sounds is still real? Hey, question
for you, and it's just asked me in my ears
if in order for this to remain true, will all
squads have to carry sandpaper?

Speaker 12 (22:45):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Thanks, antsy mate? Yeah yeah, yeah, real good. Now we've
moved on from that, Heather. We just sen Travis had
it head out and he just scores all the uns.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Is your seven year old sit still for the whole day?

Speaker 13 (22:55):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (22:55):
How's that? Got that? Pun?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (22:58):
How's that ed? First time he's ever been to a Test.
He's gone to a couple of big Bash matches, but
he went for an entire day of test cricket. Any normal,
Well he's my son, so yes, because I've brainwashed him successfully.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
But no, it's not for normal seven.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Year olds, isn't it. It's just because it's really the
difference is.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Because New Zealand's no good at cricket and Australia is.

Speaker 14 (23:17):
So you never know how it feels like Hegley OVAL's
one of the best ovals in the World's watch cricket.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
But and I know you're actually really good at cricket,
but I'm just trying to be a.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Bit of a Higley. Is that in New Zealand?

Speaker 8 (23:27):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, all right, thank you Oliver. There never been to
a place called Hegley. But you know what, thank you,
thank you. I think our accent is obviously closer to
the original. Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live presenter seventeen
away from five Heller.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Do see, Allen, It's not normal is.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
It for a seven year old to sit still for
an entire day's worth of cricket?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Has he drugged his son or something? Do you know what?
Can I just tell you something? Very quickly? I poured
some you know how I was saying before that I
have no respect for best buy dates and stuff myself
a cup of tea before and I poured the milk
in and obviously nobody's cleared the milk out over the
weekend and it curdled. And I brought my tea anyway,
because it's a Russian in the boss can and he's annoying,
like he's always talking to me at the wrong time
of day, and so he was trying to talk to

(24:10):
me when I was trying to get ready, and so
I didn't have time to go and refresh the tea.
And I thought, bugger it, bugger it, I'm gonna drink
this tea. And I started drinking the tea. And then
I told the German that I was drinking the tea,
and she was so revolted that I was like, I'm
just gonna have to push through, Like for the sake
of this, I'm gonna have to push through with the tea.
I've had to give up so disgusting I did. I
gave up because it's not because it tastes bad, because

(24:33):
it doesn't taste bad. It just looks nasty, doesn't it.
I wonder if this is the reaction people have with
funny shaped apples in the supermarket. We're like, ah, look
at that apple. It's not completely appily. I think that's
the reaction I've had with milk. Anyway, we need to
talk about Nikola Willis, because I didn't have a chance
to talk to Nichola Willis. If you caught up on
the offshore credits thing, Simon Watts has been going around
telling everybody, oh, we've got the mechanisms in place, all

(24:55):
we've got the processes. We're gonna start buying offshore carbon
credits from some places. I think it was what one
of them, may have been Malaysia or Thailand or something
like that in Southeast Asia. We're ready to buy them.
But the other day he was saying he wasn't going
to buy them because they're going to cost US twenty
four billion dollars. And I don't know about you, but
I'm not keen on sending twenty four billion dollars to
another country to plant trees for us. So anyway, I
didn't get a chance to talk to Nicola about this

(25:16):
on Monday because I had the funny voice. But she's
with us today. I'm going to ask her about it.
Stay tuned, she's with us after six.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Politics is next Politics with centric credit.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Check your customers and get payments. Curtainy, listen.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm going to need you to tell me whether you
think of Barren Wellington has been ridiculous, been very naughty,
or if the authority is being ridiculous. I'm gona tell
you about it in a minute. Right now, it's thirteen
away from five and Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor,
is in for Barry Sober, who's off for the week
writing his book. Thomas Hallo, he had a good afternoon. Now,
what do you think of this key we save her announcement?
Seems to me like quite smart politics.

Speaker 15 (25:48):
Yes, I think it's smart politics. I think it's good
policy as well. I mean, the key we saver in
general retirement savings in New Zealand there's a bit of
a dog. It has been a dog since the nineteen
seventies when we got rid of the contributor scheme. We
do need to lift it to twelve percent. Obviously, it's
going to be a it will be a bit of
a bumpy ride getting it there. There will be some
employers who will take that that extra that extra point

(26:10):
five percent each year out of your pay packet and
the total remuneration package, which I know you've been talking
about today. So that's something I think I think Labor
is probably going to try and look at. But the
rest of the policy is pretty sound. We need to
do it and for all the for all the bumps
along the way, it's it's probably something that's that's worth doing.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I mean, we need to be honest though that in
the long run, it's going to depress wages, isn't it,
because because when they when when when somebody offers you
a job, they are going to consider the cost of
key we saver here.

Speaker 15 (26:37):
Yeah exactly, And I mean you know you're probably sick
of hearing it from everyone, But the only way to
get wages to grow is productivity, and productivity has been
an absolute turkey in New Zealand for a long time.
So yes, if this, if this, if we can't get
the productivity question solved, then then this will come from
from people's wages. No, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I can't imagine anybody is going to vote for National
for it. It's not a vote attractor, it's not necessary.
It's definitely not a vote repellent. Is it maybe just
a credibility policy?

Speaker 15 (27:04):
I do? I think obviously we had those polls that
the EPSOS poll last week which had the questions around
economic management. For National, they do need something to say
on economic management. They are also probably going to run
on raising the Superade again because they really have a
fiscal issue there. If they're not raising the Superade, then
it's really hard to see how they're going to pay
for public services going forward, because that superade thing is

(27:25):
a real issue, so they need something. If you're going
to lift the superrade, you need to be able to say, well,
look here's what we're doing to try and really get
some of the heavy lifting off superannuation, national superation as
far as the retirement costco. And I suppose it as
a way of just neutralizing that question them.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, fair point. Okay, Now have you seen this Taxpayer's
Union Curier poll about Labour CGT.

Speaker 13 (27:48):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 15 (27:49):
It's a very interesting poll. So obviously Labour CGT twenty
eight percent on profits made after one July twenty twenty
seven for property excluding the family home and a bunch
of other things. Now, obviously, you know house prices go
up by five six percent of years, that is what
the forecast is. The inflation rate is a wee bit
lower than that usually, you know, two to three percent
of the year going forward is what we're forecasting. So

(28:11):
some of the text, some of the money that Labor's
CGT would bring in, it's just inflation. So basically the
government is clipping the ticket, and the governments slipping the
ticket when it fails to get inflation under control. So
there's a wee bit of a perverse incenter of there.
Sixty one percent of New Zealanders want the text if
there were a text for it only applied to inflation

(28:32):
adjusted gains, whereas where student NA one real gains and
it's actually labor voters are the ones who are most
against it.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay, Now do you think at the moment labor is
going for real gains, do you think that they will
be pressured into adjusting it and going for inflation adjusted.

Speaker 15 (28:51):
I do not think so. I think I think they
need the money labor, labor labor. At the moment your
election policy lots to be it's a very cost of
living affordability affordability mandate. And so you're looking at GP visits.
You know, who knows they might slap dental here onto
that med card. They've got a few other things onto

(29:12):
that medic card. They are kind of looking at things
and thinking, how can we make that cheatah for people?
How can we make that free for people? That probably
meant in the most cases, means subsidies. And if you
are going to subsidize stuff, then you've got to text
people to pay for it. And so they really need
this revenue coming in and they cannot afford to reduce it.
And let's face it, if you were to take some

(29:32):
inflation inflation off your CDT, then you're probably going to
have the revenue because we're not expecting massive house price
broke anymore. That is a thing of the past. So
if you're not taking inflation, then there's really not a
lot of the ift they're for you.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Okay, listen, I see that you've written over the weekend
like I have about the you know, the chatter about
Luckson's leadership. What do you think, Thomas, what's the most
likely outcome? Are the MPs and National going to choose
to stick with Labor with Luxe and sorry, or are
they going to chew to switch to Bishop.

Speaker 15 (30:01):
What's a bit of a Freudian slip there, I guess,
like if you're stick with lux and now you're sticking
with later. I know that's a real question, I know,
but you know it's what everyone is thinking. It's I
honestly think he might be quite lucky with the timing.
If you are going to Roland, then you probably want
to do it the side of Christmas. You've probably only
got two more public poles the side of Christmas. You've
got the Taxpayers Union in December, and there'll probably be

(30:23):
elit to Torbert Mills. Now, those poles would have to
be really, really bad, and you know, well really bad,
being worse than they already are. They would have to
be really bad for you to justify rolling them. I
think at the moment there's a little bit of kite
flying going on. It doesn't look like there's a formal coupe,
it doesn't look like anything is actually sort of happening,
but I think there is a bit of chin stroking

(30:45):
and people sort of saying, well, you know, if there
were to be a leadership change, if you were to
imagine Chris Bishop in the in the ninth floor suite,
what would you think of that? And I think people
are sort of flying kites just to sort of see
how that looks without it actually being a.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Right Thomas, Thank you, Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political edits.
So I think they're gonna stick with lux and I'm
gonna explain why, and just to take seven away from five, Okay,
five away from that's actually four away from five. Listen,
this is why I think they're gonna stick with Luxel
in the end, because this is what it is, right,
They're out of choice. They've got to choose Luxon or
someone else, and the someone else at the moment, as
Bishop I reckon, they're going to stick with Luxen because
they cannot get this thing off the ground. This is

(31:21):
about the second or third time this year that they've
started up the chat, started feeding things to the media,
feeding things to people, feeding the chat, trying to get
the thing up in the and get momentum behind it.
And every time it gets to a point where we
talk about it, it just peters out that says to me,
they're never going to get it off the ground. And
I think the problem is basically, I don't think they

(31:41):
can imagine Chris Bishop as the Prime Minister because remember,
to a lot of these people, Chris Bishop is the intern,
like they remember him working for Stephen Joyce in his office.
It's like the intern getting the CEO's job. Sometimes you
just yeah, the jump is just too massive. Also, I
don't think it helps that he's a liberal in the
Conservative Party. But anyway, you know Luxon mainly because I
think Luxeon's a liberal and that's not working. So another

(32:02):
liberal is probably not going to work anyway. We'll see
what happens. We'll leave it to them, but I think
we've probably done our dash on that one. Dakota Bar. Now,
I just want you to weigh in on this quickly
and we're going to talk to them in about twenty
minutes time. So, Dakota Bar and Wellington is in trouble
because they had a quiz nite and they offered us
their prize one hundred and fifty dollars bar tab and
they are now they are risk of losing their license
over that because apparently they use the wrong phrasing wording

(32:25):
what they should Instead of calling it a bar tab,
they should have called it a food and beverage voucher
and then they wouldn't be in trouble. Now, go, is
that a stupid rule or are they being stupid? You
let me know and we're talking to them shortly. But
next up, Chris Pink on what he's planning to do
forcing us to buy warranties for our Reno's news talk said.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
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Speaker 3 (33:15):
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Speaker 2 (33:18):
Afternoon. The government has filled in the missing pieces of
its building and construction reform. The outstanding question has been
who would pay for defective work if the trade can't
cover it. The answer is the homeowner. The homeowner will
have to take out a warranty to cover the work.
Chris Pink is the building in construction mini stand with us? Now,
Hi Chris, hello? Heither how much one of these warranties cost?

Speaker 16 (33:38):
Well, actually, mostly people have warranties or guarantees in place
already now, so in those cases actually nothing at all.
But roughly speaking, it's around half of one percent of
the cost of a belt. So we think that's a
lot of peace of mind and it's a good trade
off for the council not having to be involved in
rate payers being on the hop to the extent they
are now.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
So if you're doing a mill and a million dollar build,
you're looking at about five thousand dollars exactly. Yeah, Okay,
how would you have it if you already have it?

Speaker 16 (34:08):
Oh? Because these products are already available. So think certified
builders have a guarantee called Halo register. Master builders have
their own one, and there's an insurance outfit called Stanfords
that provides building defect insurance.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
So if you're using one of those builders, they're already
covered by it.

Speaker 16 (34:24):
Yeah, that's right, And to be honest, most of the
reputable ones are. And if there's some builders who aren't
able to satisfy the insurers or the guarantee providers that
they're good enough quality that they want to stand behind them,
then maybe you don't want them doing your work anyway.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
How far can that let's take master builders, how far
can that warranty go? Because let's say that there was
something as massive as the leaky building situation all over again,
would they be able to cover all of that?

Speaker 13 (34:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (34:47):
Well, basically they will have to register with MB to
make sure that we've got visibility that they would have
the resources and the event of a large scale deficts
kind of claim. So, as you say, that's an important consideration.
But working through that detail now, but we're really confident
from the week that we've done with them already that
they will be able to get there and provide that assurance.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Hold on, So why would they have to register with
the MB? Would the government be the backstop here.

Speaker 16 (35:11):
No, the government's not the backstop. But the government is
saying we require work north of one hundred thousand dollars
basically to have one of the approved guarantees or warranty
or insurance systems and saying, well, you know, we need
those to be robust because they need to be available
when the proverbial hits the fan?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Does master builders run out at a million dollars?

Speaker 14 (35:31):
Like?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Is that the cap on the warranty?

Speaker 16 (35:34):
I shouldn't speak for what the details of the scheme are,
but I know that they in certified builders have both
been working really proactively and constructively with them BETA to
work out the details. And some of it's the devil
in the detail about when you can claim and who
can claim, you know, how much experience they will want
the builders to hap and so forth. So we're going
through that detail now.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Now, is you are you putting the onus on the
homeowner because builders cannot get insurance?

Speaker 16 (35:58):
No, it's the builders who would get the insurance or
the cover, but they would have it, you know, effectively,
they would pass that cost on to the homeowner. So
the point is that it won't be the rate pays
in general who are subsidizing poor building practices. It's actually
the homeowner who would you know, effectively pay a bit more,
but have that peace of mind and take the councils
out of the equation, or at least not to the

(36:19):
full extent that they are.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Now okay, Chris, I appreciate your time, Chris Pink Building
and Construction Minister.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, so time for a look.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
At the NATS promised changes to key we Save it.
If re elected, the National Party will gradually increase the
default key we Save A contribution rate to six percent
and mandate that employers must also match at six percent,
taking it to twelve percent in total. Prime Minister told
my costing this morning that the policy will be a
bottom line for the NATS and Coalition negotiations. I don't
actually know why it is so political. I think it's
actually a common sense thing.

Speaker 9 (36:46):
If you look at places like Ireland and Australia that
are wealthier, they actually have higher retirement savings.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Rupert Carline is managing director of Colder Wealth and here's
with us now, Hi, Rupert, Hi, I mean the comparison
with Aussie is not totally fair. Is it.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
It's not even close to fair. We say six plus
cent six plus six to get us to towelve percent,
but actually for them it's it's semi compulsory. They're big incentives,
so people actually want to contribute, whereas here this announcement's
more like a nudge of saying, you know what, people,
you should contribute more to your quisaver, but we're not
really going to give you any reason to do so.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Do we have to make it compulsory ucing I.

Speaker 10 (37:23):
Don't like compulsion because I think if we make it
compulsory without incentives, people are just going to see it
as a tax. And we know how everyone loves tax
and so to me, it's actually about giving choice. I
believe people should have the freedom to make their own decisions,
but we should be giving some form of incentives to
give them a nudge in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
What incentives well.

Speaker 10 (37:45):
Internationally, so Chris Luxon used the examples of Ireland, Australia, US.
These are all countries that use tax breaks, So tax
eductions for contributions or tax eductions to allow you to
kind of make your gains tax free was designed. We
used employee er contributions to do it. So by saying

(38:06):
as an employer, you've got to match the employee, that
was a way of saying, if you want that extra pay,
you've got to contribute to qyvsaver. Unfortunately, that was unwound
in two thousand and nine by the National Party with
the entrance of total remmuneration policies. And what that means
now is for fifty percent of workers look to be blunt,
they're better off by not contributing to qvsaver and just

(38:28):
taking the cash because there is no incentive for them
to have their money locked up until they're sixty five.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now, this is just I mean, if we're honest about it,
this is going to depress wages, isn't it Because instead
of giving you one hundred thousand dollars, they're just going
to take one hundred thousand dollars that's the available pay,
and we're going to take the twelve percent off, give
you your money, and then top it back up. That's
what's going to happen.

Speaker 10 (38:48):
It is, and there's no question on there. I don't
debate that for a second. However, we have to also
acknowledge we've got a retirement system that is completely at
the moment we need to move retirement says into being
privately driven versus driven by the state. So this is
a hit that's going to have to happen at some point.
Middle of a recession is at the right time to

(39:08):
do it. That's a different Surely we're.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Going to be out of the recession by twenty thirty two, Well.

Speaker 10 (39:14):
We would hope, so twenty five to be the year
of driving.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Jeez, honestly, shoot me now, Rupert, thanks very much appreciated,
Rupert Carline Coder, Wealth Managing Director. It's thirteen past five.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Heather dup c Allen Luke, who's.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
In hospitality here that we've got two badges for the
same thing. We've got a hospitality tab and we've got
a food and drink tab. The spoilers, they're basically the
same monster wearing different hats. Where adults, we're not toddler's
on a field trip. Liquor laws aren't toddler proof fences.
Let the grown ups make the call on their tab,
whether it's for drinks or snacks or both within the
law and spare us the label gymnastics, which I think
is an absolutely fair point. We're going to talk to
the guy who runs to Cota next. This feels like

(39:51):
the authorities have got it in for him. Listen update
about one of the friends of the show, Craig Renie.
Big day for Craig beg weekend for Craig because the
world's worst kept secrets has come to pass. In fact,
Craig has taken a big step towards becoming a future
finance minister for the Labor Party. This weekend he was
selected as the Labor candidate for the Wellington Bays electorate.

(40:12):
With well done Craig, which he did say, remember what
he said when he was on the show, said I'm
not going to be making any announcements on this show. Well,
you know, we should have we should have probed a
bit harder because clearly he had an announcement he wanted
to make. That's the old Wrong Attire electorate by the way. Anyway,
so we've decided, where.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Have we decided, Laura, have we decided?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
We're not sure. We're sort of like, should we keep
him on the huddle because I mean, now he's completely predictable.
He's just going to say all the stuff that the
Labor Party wants him to say. But then Laura did
say to me well, was he ever not doing that?
We were like, no, he wasn't. So anyway, we're still
we're still about whether we keep Renny on the huddle.

(40:52):
We're going to We're going to bring him back one
more time at the very least, so we can bully
him a little bit, and then after that we'll make
a decision. Anyways, it's open for polling if you want
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Sea Island either, you've got to remove them from the huddle.
I mean we're still discussing it. You know, it could
be fun. It could be fun, couldn't it Because we
can we can maybe we can get the inside oil
on labor, party stuff. You never know, you never know.
We could push our luck with at nineteen past five, now,
a popular Wellington nightclub is facing a licensed suspension all

(42:19):
over a bar tab. So what's happened? As Dakota Bar
and Courtney Place has been offering one hundred and fifty
dollars bar tab as the prize for its weekly quiz night,
but the rules say that giving away free alcohol isn't
allowed and that you should They should have offered a
food and beverage voucher instead, which is basically the same
thing isn't it. Jose Ubiaga is the owner of Dakota
Bar and with us Hello Jose.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
Oh here here you go.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, thank you. This is silly, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
Personally I think it's absolutely crazy. Yeah, it's you, it's
Beyoncely and I agree. I mean food and beverage voucher
or bartab or bar voucher. I mean, it doesn't matter
how you dress it up, it's all the same thing.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, who told you? With the Wellington City Council you
should have called it a food and beverage voucher.

Speaker 8 (43:00):
That's coming from the head of the alcohol licening team.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Did they tell you? Did they give you a warning?

Speaker 8 (43:07):
They send me I have received a warning because I've
got a couple of bars. They sent me a warning
from one bar. And then because this is the practice
that we've been using, well I have been using for
twenty years, and so I don't agree with the change
of terminology, but I'm happy to try and work with it.
So I did try and change it. But then in

(43:28):
one of my other bars it was put out there
again as well for a bar tab for another promotion,
which was we do a bingo night, The same sort
of thing and so I got another warning for that,
and so I changed my terminology. And then there was
a poster that I used all last year which also
has it in it too, and I reused that poster

(43:50):
which I forgot that it had bar tab on it
as well. And this was the final straw for the
licening team, and so they put me through to Alah
asking for now. She wants this ninety six hour suspension
or cancelation of my license. This is what she's asking for.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Okay, so it's pretty serious. Hose have we got a
bit weird about booze in this country? I mean, like,
I'm not a big drinker anymore. I've got children, so
I can't. So I'm not trying to defend my favorite
hobby or anything like that. But I do feel like
we have got weird again about alcohol, haven't we.

Speaker 8 (44:24):
Well, it depends on where you live, because each area
they can interpret the laws a little bit differently, and
unfortunately here in Wontington we seem to have some of
the stricter interpretations.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, I hate you guys on Courtney Place.

Speaker 13 (44:39):
They do.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
Yes, yep, you know ironically, when people do redeem our
barthab ninety five percent of the sales will be food
and non alcoholic drinks from the bathab So it's not
like we have a problem with intoxication. Yeah, because people
are coming in and getting hammered when they're winning.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Good luck fighting this because this does seem a bit silly.
Jose Ubiaga, who's the owner of Courtney Place Bar, Dakota. Look,
I just wonder if we're starting to kind of double
back on ourselves and go back to you know, you
know the time of Kate Shepard where we were like,
you know, try getting really like really wokes through about alcohol.
Are we headed back that way? If we're going to
do language policing, we're like, you mustn't call it a bartap,

(45:22):
you must call it a food and alcohol beverage. We
are starting to get a bit weird, aren't we, Like
maybe we need to check ourselves. Anyway, I'll throw this
to the huddle later on five p. Twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
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Speaker 3 (45:40):
There'd be five twenty four.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Right, let's talk about inan New Zealand. If I was
in New Zealand. I would feel pretty beaten up after
the weekend's opinion pieces because, as you know, Bruce Cottrel,
who we spoke to earlier in the show, wrote a
piece in one newspaper complaining that if in in New
Zealand want to charge as much as they do, then
they have to do the job better and be on
time more often. And then Sam Stubbs wrote a piece
in another newspaper telling them to stop overcharging domestic travelers.

(46:03):
Now I cannot explain the timing. I can't explain why
both those guys wrote harsh pieces about the same airline
on the same weekend. But what's weirder about it is
that I almost did exactly the same thing. I almost
had a bit of a rant about Air New Zealand
myself this weekend because I had to pull out of
an event on account of their ticket prices. What it
was is, the husband and I were planning to go
to a thing in Wellington, started doing all the organizing,

(46:25):
had the babysitter covered, organized to work out of Wellington
for the day, went to book the flight. Saw the
flight prices pretty close to one thousand dollars return per person,
and I could not justify that. That is ridiculous. Now,
I don't have a problem, as I've said a thousand times,
due with Air New Zealand making as much money as
it wants to. I wanted to make money. I'm a shareholder.

(46:45):
We all are shareholders through the government. It does have
to balance that with customer loyalty, though, because Ere New
Zealand is now so overpriced that I cannot justify using it.
For the first time in my working life, I don't
have CORU anymore, I cannot justify the expense. And while
I have the same problem as Bruce Cottrel, I don't
want to fly Jetstar out of loyalty to Air New Zealand.
I reckon give it a year. I reckon by this

(47:07):
time next year, I'm going to be flying Jetstar. The
flight from Auckland to Wellington on Air New Zealand for
the event was five hundred dollars per person just one
way right Auckland to Wellington five hundred dollars. The same
flight on Jetstar at a better time was about one
hundred and fifty dollars. That's in New Zealand's problem right there.
They're chasing their customers away. One day they're going to
wake up. They don't realize it now, but one day
they're going to wake up and they're going to be

(47:28):
surprised at how popular Jetstar is, and they're going to
regret the fact that heaps of us tried out the
Orange Bird and found it's not that bad, and in
New Zealand will want us back and struggle to get
us back. And maybe the reason that Bruce and Sam
and maybe even me criticized Air New Zealand on the
same weekend is that we're only saying what everybody's already thinking.
Heather dupers the Alan, whether it's the law, health and safety,

(47:49):
dummy host responsibility, Oh yeah, no, yeah, it's real. I
think calling something a bar tab is really irresponsible. But
giving a food and beverage voucher whatever, it's the same
thing at the end, is just a different word. It's
very a Willien, different name. It's obviously a phrase, very
a Willian. Right, we're talking about the food wastage next.
If you haven't caught up on this, we said it

(48:10):
at the start of the show. We're wasting about two
hundred and thirty seven kilograms of food each per year.
But it's not you and I who's doing it right?
So everybody else it's the farmers and the growers and
the retailers and the wholesalers and the food processes. So
we'll find out why this is happening on what we
can do about it. Next news talks that beat you
got to.

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Speaker 8 (48:45):
That'd bet Judith of that.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
So can you come? Hey?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Nikola Willis is with us after six o'clock as per
usual as Simon Bridges as if you know what Simon
Bridge we invited. He's going to be with us after
six and absolutely we are going to talk to him
about what he's with the Auckland Chamber of Commerce obviously,
and they've put out some figures showing things and looking up.
But really all I want to talk to him about
was him being in the snake pit at Metallica. So
we're definitely going to get to that. Heather. For the

(49:13):
first time in twenty years, I'm driving again between the
major cities from Napier and the flight I did the
other day at six pm home from Auckland was half empty,
twenty four away from six huddle standing by. Now we've
got new food waste stats out. It turns out consumers
are not the biggest wasters. It's actually everyone else in
the food chain, from the growers to the processes to
the retailers. They waste two thirds of the stuff that

(49:34):
we throw away, most of it is edible. It adds
up to about two hundred and thirty seven CAGs per
person per year. Sheila Skeief is a professor at the
University of Otago and wrote the report. High Sheila, Hello,
why are they throwing it away?

Speaker 12 (49:48):
I don't think it's just primary and process and we've
also got a lot of food waste happening at and households.
But I mean, if we think about things on farm,
you know, we're part of the problem too. Is people
don't want to buy wonky fruit or things that are
you know, not the right size. I'm just as guilty
of that as anybody. So yeah, those are some of
the reasons why. And food safety is a huge problem too.

(50:11):
Of course, we have to look at food safety.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Are you talking about in terms of the best buy
date and the used by date with they don't I'm.

Speaker 15 (50:17):
Not gonna Yeah, that's one of it.

Speaker 12 (50:18):
But even even having things you know that maybe they're
starting to not you know, they're not at the you know,
at the best, even primary produce, it's not best. I'm
not necessarily talking about packaged foods, but you know they
maybe they're you know, starting to welter bed. And then
it's a matter of decision of whether you know you're
gonna you're gonna get that product and then use it,
or whether you're gonna throw it away.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
She live, isn't there're a market here in a cost
of living crisis for selling US an apple that's a
little undersized in US, paying twenty percent least.

Speaker 12 (50:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really good point.
It is hard to break. It's very hard to change
people's behaviors, I think, and even myself. You know, when
you go to go and you're looking through, you're always
kind of looking for I don't are we looking for
the best food? I mean, I do try to buy
the wonky bags of fruit and things like that, But
it is a matter of kind of changing our mindset

(51:07):
a little bit about what we were willing to purchase.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Is it economically viable for them?

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Though?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
If they have, if they've got a whole bunch of
wonky apples to pay the labor costs of sorting it,
then transporting it, and then selling it at a discount,
does it actually make ends mean for them?

Speaker 12 (51:22):
I don't know the answer to that. You would have
to contact the supermarkets. But you know, or wors what
are they doing? You know, they're doing the wonky avocados
and the wonky this and the wonky that.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
So I mean, maybe buy them? Buy them?

Speaker 12 (51:34):
Yeah, I do, definitely do buy them for sure, although
I rather they weren't in a in a bag that
was like a netted bag.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
But does she, like you notice they're not that wonky,
Like that's still pretty good.

Speaker 12 (51:44):
They're totally not wonky.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
It's weird that they're even considered wonky.

Speaker 12 (51:48):
Yeah, no, I agree, But I think they're smaller like
often those avocados they're in, they're quite they're small, they're
not the bigger ones.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
So yeah, but it's fine for me. What difference?

Speaker 12 (51:55):
So I don't care.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Okay, now, now on
the bright side, we are wasting a whole lot less
than the rest of the world. Why is that? Oh well, I.

Speaker 12 (52:03):
Wouldn't sit Well, Okay, it's a tricky one. If you
actually go and have a look at the report, okay,
you'll see that actually in the UK and the EU
per capita there are half of us. But in fact
I heard a talk last week and in Japan they're
even lower. So it but it does depend what you measure,
and unfortunately it's not all measuring an apple and apple.

(52:27):
It's measuring different things. So there's a little bit of
an issue with how we measure.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
So do you think we actually waste a lot more
than we think?

Speaker 11 (52:33):
No?

Speaker 12 (52:34):
I think as as a country, okay, we produce a
lot of food, and we're pretty good at making sure
that we make best use of that, particularly on farm
and in processing, because I think, you know, we've got
good cold you know, cold chain, we've got we bring
people into pick, pick the fruit, et cetera. So we're
pretty good household food wasted as high as it is

(52:55):
in lots of places like Europe.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
All Right, Sheila, thank you very much, really appreciate it.
She Las Skeieve Professional Nutrition at University of Otago and
also the author of the report twenty one Away from Sex.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
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Speaker 2 (53:10):
Fum the Huddle with me. This evening we have Joseph Gurney,
the CEO of Child Fund, and Liam Here, lawyer and
political commentator. Hire you too, jose you buy the wonky fruit?

Speaker 17 (53:21):
Yes, I mean I just buy fruit. Generally, I don't
think about it, but I do. I do wonder about
this statistic because I actually spent the weekend cleaning out
my spice cupboard and found spices going back to about
twenty sixteen, and I chucked them all out. So I
think that accounts for about one point too many tongues
on its own.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Did you taste it first to see if it was
still good?

Speaker 11 (53:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I didn't.

Speaker 17 (53:43):
I'm not going to taste mixed spice and cardman raw
on my tongue.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Well, how do you know it's how do you know
you can't cook with it?

Speaker 17 (53:51):
Are you going all greeny on me?

Speaker 18 (53:53):
Heather?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I don't like waist.

Speaker 17 (53:55):
I just want new spices and new herbs, and I'm
I'm actually sort of hard kind. It hard to get
really upset about this. I mean, yes, we shouldn't waste food,
and I have a compost and all of that, but
you know, we've got hot warm ai pandemics, you know,
trade blocks, god knows what else.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I'm not.

Speaker 17 (54:15):
I'm struggling to get too worried about them.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I'm not worried about lim. I just reckon that there's
a market here. Like I reckon, there are willing participants
like myself who are like, give me your wonky fruit
and charge me forty percent less. And I'm sitting here
going I want to pay less for fruit, and they
want to get rid of their fruit. We should hook up,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 18 (54:32):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the thing. We live in
a market economy, right, and you know, one of the
greatest strengths of market economies, you know, for their drawbacks
here and there, is that they produce a mess of
suplus and abundance and food most of all, the probably
the reason why we waste less food than other countries
is that we're poorer than other countries. We like to

(54:54):
heare ourselves, so we can't wait. You know, It's honestly
like it's the idea that you can just magically move
the soup busses around and they all find the right
place or grow less. That's not how markets work. It's
not how economies work. Having too much or something so
that you can turn it away is actually a sign
of prosperity. I'd like us they have more food waste
because I'd like it to be more prosperous.

Speaker 17 (55:16):
And we're already eating the wonky fruit.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, we are, like you literally are are you buying
at the supermarket? It's called the odd bunch? Hey, Liam,
what do you think of this key we sabor policy
from the nets?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
You like it?

Speaker 18 (55:29):
I think it's good policy, It's inevitable, it's probably the
phasing is good. It's probably a good template about how
we have to do the national superannuation too. But look,
i mean, look, I'm forty, I'm forty next next year,
and I've just in all my life I've always thought, looked,
it has to be care we favor because there's just
not going to be enough money through through national superannuation

(55:51):
when it comes to me and we have to get
serious about it. And I'm a complete convert on kivsaver.
I was against it when it came out, but it's
been a real success, and actually it's going to be
the thing that's going to have to save us because
it's just too politically impossible to really reform superannuation. This
is the step in the right direction. I'm not sure
how politically popular it's going to be if you you know,

(56:12):
I mean, it is taking money out of you week
to week paycheck. You're telling people that they can't manage
that for themselves, but it's a necessity. So I'm not
sure if it's great politics, but it's good economics.

Speaker 11 (56:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I mean I think Liam's onto something which is Josie,
which is that it is going to have to save us,
probably from the pension situation. But it's only going to
save us if we make it compulsory. Are you okay
with the government making it compulsory at six percent from
you and six percent from the employer?

Speaker 17 (56:38):
So I'm not in favor of making it compulsory for
two reasons. One is that sometimes businesses want to just
plow their money into their business, and they know how
best to spend their own money. I mean, God, I'm
sounding like Liam here, and it's true. They know better
how to spend their own money, and also you might
have some people who just can't put away twelve percent
or something. But the other thing I would say, and

(57:00):
that's interesting, Liam, that you said that, because I remember running.
Can we say the campaign pay par rental lead campaigns
and so on? Four weeks minimum annual leave. The NAT
hated these policies now and I think it's a really
good thing that now we have a kind of cross
party consensus that saving money is a really good idea.
It's what Australia did. One of the reasons they're richer

(57:21):
than us and pay perntal ly is a good idea,
and so four weeks annually. So good to hear you
agree with that, Comrade Liam well Pers.

Speaker 18 (57:31):
The politics of it is anything rather than offend. They're
soon to be retiring boomers, right, so I think.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Liam, I don't want them to touch my pens, and
either they could bug it off off. I'm not even
the boomer, although maybe I am in my spirit. All Right,
we'll take a break. You guys come back to the
huddle shortly. Hither The carrots at Pack and Save are
so deranged it makes me think of Trump stories. Sixteen
away from six.

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Speaker 2 (57:59):
Back with a herd of Liam here and josephccarney. Liam,
you will have seen the Taxpayers Union Curier poll about
the inflation adjustment on the CGT and then everybody likes it.
Do you think label will do that or they just
too greedy for the dollars?

Speaker 18 (58:11):
They definitely won't do it, and don't give them too
much credit for that, because national really have missed the
trick and a lot of inflation indexing too. The reality
is that parties of you know, both political parties, both
major little parties, in fact all of them really are
just too tempted to gobble up the bounty of inflation.

(58:34):
And you know, I'm pretty sure the economics of their
labor CG just won't stack up without the inflation adjustments.
So just my way in hell that said, it's completely fair.
It's it's it's completely fair to to do it. They
should be doing it for income tax as well.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
What's completely fair.

Speaker 18 (58:53):
It's completely fair to index it for inflation.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
We should shouldn't be texting.

Speaker 18 (58:57):
People on what they're real especially for realization based taxes.
But that's it's the most fear thing that could possibly
have into our tax estent. That's why it's popular across
the boards, both for income tax as well. But there's
too much money and governments will never give up that
ability to easily increase taxes or that he tell anyone.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You'd agree that agree with that? Ajos?

Speaker 17 (59:18):
Well, no, but everybody wants to pay less tax, right,
So if you ask people do you think it should
be inflation index they'll all say, yes, I want to
pay less. And but Liam, you're right that if you're
going to do it for capital gains tax, then you
have to do it for income tax too and that
But the problem then is that we always have a
political debate, don't we about fiscal drag and whether or

(59:39):
not to let inflation increase your tax take. And so
that is a political decision. And I think whether for
income tax or for CGT or any tax, you have
to you have to make that a political decision. You
can't just say we're going to now do inflation indexing
for every tax because the tax take would massively drop
and then you've got to work out what you're going

(01:00:01):
to cut.

Speaker 18 (01:00:02):
One correction, it's not about paying less. It's about paying
the same, it's not not wanting to pay more. That's
the whole point of the indexation is to keep it
real on constant terms. Like the idea that indexation is
some kind of tax cut, which is what Labour said
in the past, is just wrong. It's just not right
in the caves.

Speaker 17 (01:00:19):
But there is always a debate, isn't there amongst political
parties as to whether or not you're going to let
the fiscal drag go on or whether you're going to
have sort of bring in the brackets and adjust it.
So what I'm saying is that those have to be
political discussions and we have to vote on what we
want or not. If you make it a law or
a rule that you're going to you're going to index

(01:00:40):
every tax to inflation, then you're going to have some
massive questions to answer, which is how the hell you're
going to pay for stuff now?

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
But it is done elsewhere.

Speaker 18 (01:00:50):
It's done the United States, for example, and it's been
a game changer for the low tax cause, which is
which is probably why if they say it's a political decision.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Liam, can you explain why everybody's heading on air in
New Zealand this week more.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
Well, you know, like.

Speaker 18 (01:01:11):
You can get Josey to start, Well, I'll get them
my thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Okay, go Josie. Why is everybody in New Zealand this weekend?

Speaker 17 (01:01:17):
Oh God?

Speaker 11 (01:01:17):
Where do I start?

Speaker 17 (01:01:18):
So the service is bloody awful? I mean you go on.
I've had flights canceled and then I've ended up in
christ Church instead of Auckland for bloody hours, hours and
hours at midnight till three am, and then wait for
flight at five am. They lose your bags and then
they give you a thirty dollars option. So the service
is low budget. The price is so expensive. And but

(01:01:40):
wherever there's a wonderful airline and I'm a great fan
of air Chatterms, I have to say, but whether's an
air Chatterms or a jet Star competing, especially jets Star,
then suddenly as prices go down, so I just feel
like they're taking us for a ride and they're going
to it's going to hurt them because if you get
more players coming in air chatams grow it Star starts

(01:02:00):
to take up more customers than they're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Be in Trusbling, Liam, do you fly the Orange Bird?

Speaker 11 (01:02:06):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Not yes, I mean I'm about too though. How far
away are you from flying the Orange Bird?

Speaker 18 (01:02:13):
Well, we don't have I've never had too many issues
personally with the New Zealand. It might because palstof airports
so excellent that you know, like it's they never really
ever have any problems. But the but the issue was
this year is I think what's sort of frustrating to
me is that it's exactly what Josie said about, you know,
the need when this competition they they up their game

(01:02:34):
and they reduce their prices until that competition is driven
out of the you know, it's like this natural monopoly
that that you know, you know, only ever periodically you
have good airline service because it's only depends on whether
or not they're trying to drive someone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Out or not.

Speaker 18 (01:02:48):
So I think, you know, there's a sort of structure
all there that has to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Be looked at.

Speaker 17 (01:02:51):
Can I say one thing, Heather. They're also changing that
the miles frequent mild plans and so you can't get
into the current club anymore by flying lots. I have
years I've literally brought my kids up in the Corow
clubs who hoover the free food, but the all blacks
for autographs. That's stealing that away from us. Now it's
gonna make it harder, not fair.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I know everything, everything good. First they took the newspapers,
then they took the cups that you could take on
the plane. Now they're taking the Cora club away all together. Guys,
thanks very much appreciated. JOSEPHGANI Liam here, I huddle eight
away from six.

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Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Hey Nicholas with us Nichola Willis obviously after six o'clock.

Speaker 12 (01:03:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Interesting Apparently Nichola Willis has started to ask the public
sector bosses to start finding savings again ahead of the budget.
But interesting twisters they've done this. This is the third
ye in a row. Interesting twist. David Seymour's not involved
this time. And I want to know who decided. Did
he say, bugger off, I don't want to be part
of it, or did she say I don't want like
hoo broke up with her here anyway, we'll ask her

(01:03:57):
about that. And just to take I don't know how
to tell you about this thing. I read something this
morning that was so god awful it's honestly one of
the worst things I've ever read in my life. It
promised to be good. It's a subject I'm particularly interested in.
It was called A Day in the Life of the

(01:04:18):
New Zealand MP attending COP thirty in Brazil, so I thought, oh,
that'll be are copy coite. No, it's no, there's nothing
interesting about it. It's written by Francisco Hernandez, a Green MP.
It's literally like he's really gone hard on it. It
starts like this, six hundred hours to seven thirty, so

(01:04:38):
he's got in blocks of one and a half hours,
so from six am to seven thirty. This is how
it starts. I got up in the morning. Of course,
you got up in the morning, you idiot. Everybody did.
I got up in the morning as usual and followed
my normal morning routine, first checking my emails and the
billion signal. I am not joking. This is how we

(01:05:00):
started it. This morning I signed off on some constituency
work that I had been going back and forth with
my adviser on and I triached, no, we don't care,
we don't care. Then I went off and had a shower. Mate,
we don't do I think he's missed a brief like,
is this a sense of humor? I don't get it,

(01:05:21):
because I hope you had a shower. You don't have
to tell me you had a shower totally cold water,
not even a tidy but hot or cold. Unlike at home,
we know that it's hot cold. We know it's warm
at home. We have showers at home. I made sure
I had all the things I needed for cop powerbank, USB, cable, laptop,
water bottle. Honestly, even his toothbrush. It's just eight forty

(01:05:44):
five to ten. I finally went inside and went through
the last security checkpoint where they do a body and
baggage scan. This is honestly, it just goes through the
entire Thank god he wraps to say it for it
four pm, because I don't think I could have gone
much longer. Anyway, I'd love to see the readership numbers.
It'd be so bad. It's the worst thing I've ever read. Anyway,

(01:06:05):
there is something interesting. I'll get to it SHORTLYNG.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Evening coming up to the next hour, Simon Bridges, the
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to that Green MP's weird diary over in Brazil at
seven past six with us Now is Nikola Willis the
Finance Minister. Hi, Nikola, Hi, Ever, now is it true
that you've asked the public service bosses to find savings

(01:06:45):
ahead of the budget.

Speaker 11 (01:06:46):
Again, I've been telling the public service bosses and ministers
to find savings every day since we came into government.
My message has been consistent, which is you should always
be looking for efficiencies, ways of doing things better and
more effectively, finding dollars that are tied up in the
back office that could be put into the front line

(01:07:07):
for KIWIS. That's been a perpetual mission Arge.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
So no renewed push ahead of the budget.

Speaker 11 (01:07:13):
Well, we're always pushing for it, and of course part
of the budget is that we want to fund additional
services for KIWIS, whether that's more funding for schools, more
funding for hospitals, and so we're always saying to public servants.
The more you find us in savings, the more we
can put into those things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
So the hardest part of the budget of how much
you want them to find.

Speaker 11 (01:07:32):
Well, when I go into the budget, I've always got
two tallies. On one side, I've got the telly of
all of the things I want to do and that
I want to fund that I think that I would
be in our aspiration. And then on the other telly,
I've got what are the dollars I can put towards
that without blowing out the debt and the spending. And
so how much we do depends on how much we save,

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and how much we save depends on how much we do.
So it's an iterative process.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Okay, So why is David Seymour not involved this year
for the first time?

Speaker 11 (01:08:00):
Oh, he is involved. That article missed the fact that
he is one of the budget ministers. Well, he is
a budget minister, and have him on the show. He'll
confirm for you that we've already had budget in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
The tle that he is not involved in the cost savings.

Speaker 11 (01:08:15):
He doesn't. What he means is he doesn't have a
specific delegation to go off and do an independent savings exercise.
Which was something we specifically did in last year's budget.
He doesn't have that, but I tell you, across his
portfolios and across his ministers and the act party's portfolios,
I have no doubt they'll be doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Why doesn't he have a specific job this time?

Speaker 11 (01:08:39):
Because we're running the process from the center. He supports
me in that process. I call him my fiscal friend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Because he so Have you asked him not to help
this time?

Speaker 11 (01:08:49):
Well, no, it's just that last time I asked him
to lead a specific exercise, and this year I haven't
repeated that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Is it true that he found three billion dollars worth
of savings last time? But then all the ministers vetoed
it and it don't ended up as only being one
hundred and fifteen million.

Speaker 11 (01:09:03):
I wouldn't characterize it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
No, well I would, And is it true?

Speaker 11 (01:09:08):
Well I wouldn't characterize it that way. How would you
characterizers that were put Well, some of the proposals that
were put for directly contradicted commitments from various political parties
or were things that would undermine initiatives that we had elsewhere.
So I don't think we're actionable. Yeah think that, Yeah,

(01:09:29):
I don't want to. I don't want to get into
a tip for tat as I say, we're working together
to deliver a good Is he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Doing a lot of testing at the moment? Is he Nikola?

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
It feels like no, No, I don't. I don't think
he is. But I think generalists like you like to
invite people like me to say things that can be
taken out of context and characterized that way. We're working
together on the budget, we have shared objectives.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Now what is going on with Simon Watts? Is he
or is he not? Because he has said both ways
and I am so confused. Now is he? Is he
not going to buy offshore carbon credits? He's not going
to do so why is he setting up the mechanism
to do it?

Speaker 11 (01:10:04):
Well, as you know, good old James Shaw signed us
up to this NDC commitment so that it goes above
and beyond our domestic emission reduction targets, and we've got
a commitment there. So he's exploring, well, what are the
ways that we could meet that commitment? But the reality
is we're not going to be buying overseas carbon credits.

(01:10:27):
That won't be how we do it. We're not telling
billions of dollars offshore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Okay, so are you telling me that when he tells
newsroom that he is prepared to pull the trigger on
buying those credits and he has mechanisms and deals in
place that would allow him to do that, he's just
playing pretend.

Speaker 11 (01:10:42):
Well, the mechanisms that he's talking about are things like
the fact that New Zealand has a lot of technology
that is heading towards being commercialized that could be valuable
for New Zealand domestically but also internationally. He's talking about
the fact that, of course we do work with our
Pacific partners and particular on client climate adaptation projects and

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other assistants with them and their emissions. So there are
things that we contribute internationally already and are likely to
contribute in future. And I think he's just looking at
what are all the ways that we can consider our grosth.

Speaker 15 (01:11:16):
No, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
He is very clear in this that he is talking
about buying from other countries carbon credits, right, So if
we're not going to do it, then why is he
Why is he preparing those deals?

Speaker 11 (01:11:29):
Well, Lock, you'll have to talk to him about that,
but we're not seending.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
All money dollars finance ministers. So why is he doing this?

Speaker 11 (01:11:35):
Well, you've heard what I've got to say on it,
don't you. We will not be sending billions of dollars
offshore to buy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Cap So then why is a minister wasting his time
doing this? Is he playing pretend?

Speaker 11 (01:11:45):
Well, I think he's making sure that he has a
set of options available for the Cabinet and for us
to deliberate on. But it's not just me saying we're
not sending billions of dollars off shore. The Prime Minister
is you know how this looks?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I mean basically what it is is if you there
will be people who want you to buy those credits,
who are going to be like, yay, the government's doing it.
And what it does is for people like me who
don't want you to send twenty four billion dollars off shore,
it freaks us out because it looks like you're doing it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:11):
Well, look, I think, as I say, he's looking at
a number of mechanisms, some of which might be technology
transfer in others and he's looking at what the option.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Isn't this part of the problem with your government at
the moment is that you guys are playing both sides
instead of just being really clear about what you're actually doing.

Speaker 11 (01:12:27):
How much clearer can I be? And can the Prime
Minister be that we are not sending billions?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Yeah, that's cause you're saying but can you see the
problem for the rest of us. You're saying that while
your minister strikes up deals that allows you to potentially
do it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:43):
Well, I think it's you have to Simon Watts to
get well. I think Simon Watts is the right person
to characterize his comments and give you a detailed response
on that. I'm not going to get inside his mind
and start giving you answers. He will have something to
say on it, so I think talk to him about it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
We'll get him on Now. Is Winston getting ready to
play you guys off against each other?

Speaker 11 (01:13:08):
You guys against No, that's not my sense at all.
I actually, when I look at what he's doing, he's
looking at a week Labor party who are putting forward
silly policies like additional tax, have a pretty weak team,
and he's thinking about all of the votes he can
steal from them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Okay, And do you think that in the end your
national colleagues will choose Chris Luxon over Chris Bishop. Yes,
what makes you so sure?

Speaker 11 (01:13:40):
Well, we've got a prime minister who is delivering significant reform,
has excellent ministers, delivering the policies that National campaigned on
and working towards the vision that our members believe in,
that our candidates believe in, that our MP's believe in,
and our MP's value his leadership and want to win

(01:14:03):
the next election.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Has somebody sat down with Bish and gone, mate, what's
going on here?

Speaker 8 (01:14:09):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:14:10):
Look, I think Christopher Bishop is an extremely important part
of the National Party team. He is our campaign manager.
He is the person driving what I think will be
the most significant economic reform of this government, which is
replacing the Resource Management Act. He will vary shortly announce
an overhaul of regional government and streamline.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Has anyone sat down with him and going what's up?

Speaker 11 (01:14:37):
Well, look, I sit down with Chris Bishop all the time.
I talked to him all the time. I don't have
secret to anyone who land that he's going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
With all the rumors about you you launching the coup.

Speaker 11 (01:14:47):
Well, I think we all agree that you guys in
the media, I don't like to put you all under
the same brand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Welcome.

Speaker 11 (01:14:54):
The truth is you have been having this debate with
yourselves four years now, every a few months the same thing.
Let's have a little discussion about whether or not all
as well in the National Party camp. Let's read what
connected together?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Your prime minister is like the most unpopular prime minister
in modern history. That's why.

Speaker 11 (01:15:14):
Do you know what matters? What matters is leadership, strength, conviction,
clarity in popularity, that's nice to have, but it's not
a censure. I tell you she had lots of popularity.
Her name was just Cinda R. Deurn and what she
delivered for the country was an absolute mess. So I
look for a bit more than popularity in my prod.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Mister Nichola, thanks for your time. Appreciate it. Nikola willis
the Finance Minister. Oh, by the way, we get we'll
come back to what Nichola had to say there. By
the way, Pauline Hanson has just broken has just won
a war of Burker again Warner Burker in the Senate.
It's the second time she's done it. Obviously did it
back in twenty seventeen she was denied leave by the
government to table a bill to have Burker's in full
face coverings band in Australia, so she chucked it on again.

(01:15:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Heather gets Simon Watts on. We're going to get someone
what so we'll ask Simon's got a big day tomorrow.
We know he's got a very big day, but we'll
ask him on and see if maybe he can fit
this into his very big day. And if we do it,
we'll try and do it around this time, maybe six
thirty or something, So stay tuned for that. I'll you
will have noticed it. Did you notice the thing that
just happened? I asked Nikoler if anybody spoken to Bish
about it? And I ask three times and she wouldn't answer.

(01:16:37):
So we're none the wiser as to anyone as to
whether anyone's spoken to Bish about it. But why she
didn't want to answer that question, I guess you just
have to fill in the blank. Yourself twenty past six,
Shane solely harbor asset managements with us. Hello Shane, you
so what are the markets expecting from the Reserve Bank
in a couple of days?

Speaker 13 (01:16:52):
Yeah, so, look, the market's fully fat. Get in a
zero point twenty five cut in rates, so take us
to two twenty five is official sh rate. In fact,
it's priced in MI zero point two seven to two
twenty three of them. It's just the market's getting a
little bit of ha themselves. Maybe the main focus here
there will be on how much the Reserve Bank of
New Zealand signals the possibility of further cuts. Does it

(01:17:13):
come out is just another round of cuts given inflations
stable but unemployment growth is still modest, or does it
actually indicate that using cycle is over or close to
over Tuesday and let the cuts do the job of
really picking up the economy after quite a chunky series
of cuts of the last year or so. One thing
here that we need to keep watching for is this

(01:17:34):
the New Zealand doll It's pretty weak when near a
five year fifty six cents roughly against the US dollar.
That's doing a lot of the work for the Reserve Bank.
So yeah, when we look forward to market's actually pricing,
and the official cash rates had a low of two
point one percent in May twenty twenty six, so market
thinks there's going to be more rate cuts. That'll be
the interesting part of the discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Now we're about halfway through the current company reporting season
here in New Zealand. Is the tone getting a little
bit more upbeat? Do you think?

Speaker 19 (01:18:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:18:01):
Yeah, we are halfway through. It's for the September period,
and so far we've observed more profit beats against consensus
market expectations and messes. That's pretty good. The last three
years we've actually been seeing more misses than beats, so
it feels like there's a little bit of a trend
change something interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:18:17):
Though.

Speaker 13 (01:18:17):
Obviously up to September, the economy is pretty challenging and
some companies have been calling that out. So there's been
the odd little disappointment in terms of timing versus markets
investors getting hid themselves. But you know, really the underlying
results are looking okay. We're seeing some companies really delivering
on their own self help and those are the companies
that you know, when you look at it, they'll do okay.

(01:18:39):
With the economy recovers in a hurry or not. And
that's where I think investors are starting to focus on.
Most companies are talking about since September, they've seen a
noticeable pickup and activity. So we are seeing improven activity,
So maybe that trend continues.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Now listen to the US markets. We've
got a bit weird last week. Where did things get
to over the weekend?

Speaker 13 (01:18:58):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, good good went to the US
S and P five hundred, that's the main index we
all talk about. It was down about one point nine
percent last week, mainly due to the technology stocks falling,
some risks around the US Federal Reserve not cutting rates,
in weak consumer confidence. In comparison to Zerono market she
marker was down zero point three. So we did our

(01:19:18):
job of protecting. But the US markets on Friday they bounced.
There was a couple of US feed Reserve speakers came
out and suggested actually the Central Bank had room to
ease cut rates, particularly given call and labor markets, and
that if you saw the US market have a bit
of a flip and they ended stronger. So we've seen
a bit of a pricing and of a December rate

(01:19:38):
cut back to seventy percent. So the expectation seventy percent
of the markets expecting the US feed to cut in December.
That's quite a big increase. And similar we're seeing a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Of a bounce.

Speaker 13 (01:19:50):
US futures are showing that the US market may be
up zero point four percent tonight. Our market here in
his oone is up zero point six so a little
bit of a better time coming at the end of
the last.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
We're happy to hear that, Shane. Thanks very much, Shane
Soally Harbor Asset Management six twenty three.

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Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Nicholas summed it up perfectly. Remember the toughest teacher usually
gets the best results. I think everybody's loving old mate
quipping about Jacinda Ardun, which I think is probably fair.
Now let's get back to the Diary of the Green
MP Francisco Hernandez. Let me take you to his entry.
At one o'clock thirteen hundred hours, I joined my fellow

(01:20:39):
key we Ben Abraham for lunch and blah blah blah
along with the Latin American youth colonial who cares. This
is the bit that I this is the only takeaway
worth taking away from his entire diary, is that the
food cop is unbelievably crap. Now, I just imagine, like
you probably that you're getting fifty five thousand people together

(01:20:59):
and brazzell and everybody's flying. It's gonna be luxe as No,
do you know what he got for lunch? He got
the saddest empanada I've ever seen. It was like this
little braw you know, you get those kind of like
recycled paper plates, the ones that make you feel good
about yourself. So it's like a little bit kind of
cardboardy color, like not quite cardboardy color, but it's getting there.
And that he got one of those, And then much
the same color was an empanada. A sad little impanada

(01:21:23):
is sitting on no sauce, nothing, nothing, nothing, no little leg,
not even an attempt at a kind of like shaved
or grated carrot on the side. Nothing, just this gray
like gray beige thing on a gray beige plate. But
of course you'll remember Francisco has turned up with his
own his own pringles, so he dressed it up. He
tarted that up. He got a slab of pringles on
one side and a slab of pringles. You two people's

(01:21:44):
servings of springles on this plate. Anyway, my takeaway from
this god awful diary from him and Lord may he
never become a government minister because can you imagine how
he'll start the cabinet meetings with will I got up
this morning, but my takeaway was the food it cop
is horrific six twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
You know, when you go to a concert, you like
to take home some merch, baby, some sort of souvenir,
something like that. Well, a woman at the Lady Kravitz
concert and Brisbane took home an unexpected keepsake, four of
his dreadlocks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Brisban. That was wild. So when I went out for
La Rule, I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Young lady pulled four dreadlocks out at the back of
my head.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
You know how hired you got it pour to rip
those out of my head? Damn baby.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Anyway, I'm not going to stop coming out there for
La Rul because that's what we do. I mean, you've
got to love the guy. Somebody pulled four gigantic dreadlocks,
like basically DAGs out of the back of his head,
and all he had to say about it was damn baby, Hayes.
See what I said, Hayes. Cool a and you can
just see the whole show was just sexy. Anyway, my
voice is still recovering, so we're not going to even

(01:23:00):
try to sing along with us. Simon Bridges is with
us next?

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
What are you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Everything?

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Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
But a Metallica for you? You know why hang on
a check. David Cameron, by the way, has just revealed
that he has prostate cancers being treated for It's part
of the reason he's come out is because there's a campaign,
a big campaign in the UK calling on the government
to introduce targeted screening for men for prostate cancer. Talk
to Gavin Gray ten minutes about it right now, twenty
three away from seven now, it looks like Auckland businesses
are turning a corner with confidence on the up. Negative

(01:23:57):
confidence ratings have fallen twenty points that now at forty
forty four percent, more than half of them expect the
New Zealand economy to improve. In Simon Bridges, the Auckland
Business Chamber Chief executives with us Allo Simon Hey evening here, So,
I mean these numbers are good. A like, you've got
negative confidence going from sixty four down to forty four.
You've got neutral sentiment climbing up twelve points. However many

(01:24:17):
to thirty nine. You've got fifty four percent of them
now saying that the New Zealand economy is going to improve.
That's the one that's up twelve points. What's caused this?

Speaker 20 (01:24:26):
Yeah, I look, I think they are good. I think
you know, it's no rockstar economy, no one's saying that.
But I think what you're seeing is future sort of
beliefs and intentions from business people in Auckland and the
economy is that it's looking better. And I suppose you say, well,
what's causing that. I mean it's fundamentals, isn't it. I
mean you've got around the rest of the country farmers
with a big payout from Fonterra, record price as a

(01:24:51):
low dollar, so that's sort of at a level, got
to start filtering through. You've got the ocr coming down.
It's gone from being a tough gig to being you know,
quite stiffy milatory on the economy. And I think they
can just see, you know, whether it's some of the
stuff the government has been doing, or I think they've
picked up the pace a bit on their their policy
instead of other initiatives. For Auckland, it's just starting to

(01:25:12):
feel a bit better and they can see that over
the next year it is going to get a bit better. So,
you know, some of the numbers right now, they're still
not great. But as I say forward intentions, you know,
a clear majority see the economy improving over the next year.
They see revenue up over the next year. They're going
to make more investment over the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
What are the things that are still concerning them though,
Oh well, there's definitely things that consume them.

Speaker 20 (01:25:35):
Look, it's a sense of lack of demand, of consumer
sentiment that that's still pretty poor. It's stuff around you know,
productivity and growth. They're not sort of seeing that yet.
It's their own cash flow, it's their own ability to
pay you off the back of that kind of lack
of consumer confidence and lack of growth, and then it's

(01:25:56):
down the list a little, but it's still inflation that's there.
It's still sense that the world in terms of trade
and geopolitics is pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
What's your feeling do you think that next year is
going to be a rawer? You know, come, let's say
election time next year. Are we going to be absolutely
going for it or is it still going to be
a hard grind?

Speaker 20 (01:26:14):
Well, I've written a terrific column on this Afrano Sullivan
and enz ed me for next week. I have to say,
and just to give you a preview on it, I
think what I would say is it's I'm realistically optimistic, right,
So well, what I mean is, you know, I think
some of the bank economists are talking three plus percent.
I don't buy that. I mean, there's a number of
factors there that say it to be a bit tough

(01:26:36):
than that. You've got a close election, which in the
end actually means a period where people kind of pull
back a bit. You've got the potential stock market crash
in the United States at sometimes, You've got a bunch
of other factors. But I still say on those fundamentals
I mentioned earlier on a CRL and an international convention center,
some of these things. It is slowly going to grind

(01:26:56):
its way out, but I think the heaven wait for twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Are you going to tell me how you got onto
the snake pit a Metallica or not? I text you
and you have left it on red.

Speaker 20 (01:27:08):
What I'm going to tell you is it was outstanding.
I mean it was like a three D moving movie.
You could see these guys sweating, you could see their facials,
and I could tell you, for some old codges, they
were really enjoying it, and they brought their best to this.
I think the other thing I was just saying, if here,
Laura is I don't know what I expected. I wondered
if it would be kind of bogans and leather vests

(01:27:30):
and here suits. It was a decidedly middle class affair,
you know. So if you were in that snake pit,
you're of a certain age, a certain vintage, and you
weren't necessarily a bokes hold.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
On because you were there. You were there. Tiger Whitey's
he was there. And the drummer from from Tool was
there was he was.

Speaker 20 (01:27:48):
He was about a meter from me I didn't know
him from Adam. I'm not a big Tool guy, and
they obviously played in the weekend. But the chat next
to me pointed out that was drummer of Tool, and
suddenly I felt like I was quite kind of vvip.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Well, yeah, I mean it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I looked at the list and went, what the hell
are you doing there? But I mean, having said that
you you can play the drums like reasonably, okay, so
you know you're based on.

Speaker 20 (01:28:12):
I would love to tell you that that's that's the
basis on which I was at the snake pit. But no,
I mean, in the end, that's none of your business
here there. I'm a private citizen who's entitled to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
That's more like doing it very very much the sass
I want from you, Simon. I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Listen, Simon, I kind of be like, oh, do I
do this or do I not do this? I'm going
to do this?

Speaker 8 (01:28:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Do they go for Chris Bishop?

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Uh?

Speaker 20 (01:28:38):
Look, I mean the primis is saying, you know, no way,
and it's it's all good stuff, and and you know
I take them as weird in that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
I mean what I would say is.

Speaker 20 (01:28:47):
I had that ship for years on end from a
more experienced, harder press gallery that dare I say it.
It's not messive fun, It doesn't help a party, and
you know they need to sort it out quite quickly
so that you know the elder is going to get
back to focusing on the policies and that growth that
we're looking for in twenty six twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Right, yeah, okay, I'm loving the sassy Breen Simon, Thank you,
Simon Bridge. It's chief executive Auckland Business Chamber. Where come on,
I mean, if you had to choose, if it was
Chris Kryssel Simon right now, I'd go Simon. He was
in the snake pit and he just said shit on air,
didn't he And he didn't have to. Hey, Santana and
Minerals went into a trading halt. You will have caught
this briefly today and then it came out about eleven

(01:29:28):
thirty or something like that this morning. And this is
because of the news that it has permission to mind.
So you might remember it started the faster fast track
process earlier this month. It says it's now had the
green light from the Environmental Protection Authority, now has basically
everything it needs for a final assessment to dig for
gold near Cromwell. I hope they find lots and lots
of gold and make themselves and everybody else rich. Seventeen

(01:29:49):
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It'd be hither read the Green Party's food. You can't
have flavor and carbon neutral status. Well, if I had
to choose, I'll take the flavor, wouldn't you? Quarter to
seven Gavin Gray, UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gevin, Hi there, Okay,
how are the negotiations going over Ukraine?

Speaker 19 (01:30:18):
Well, it would appear progress if you listen to those
on the American side. Indeed, to be fair, the Ukrainians
as well, suggesting that there is progress that the Americans
are listening to what they want more. The US Secretary
of State Marco Rubias said a quote tremendous amount of
progress in honing this plan, which has been cautiously welcomed

(01:30:39):
by Russia, but certainly the leaders of Ukraine and indeed
Europe are not comfortable with it at all. We're hoping
of course those amendments will be more in Ukraine's favor.
But I'm just trying to pick apart the plans, the
counter proposal peace plans by Europe which were unveiled last
night amid some kind of secrecy would appear and what

(01:31:02):
is different to the American plans, and there's a little
bit of tinkering around the side. Very interesting that they
are considering offering Russia to come back into the G
eight group of nations. Of course we know that Vladimir
Putin's always been rather had his nose put out of
place by that when they were annexed from the G
eight back in twenty fourteen when they took on Crimea.

(01:31:25):
And they're also saying that the sanctions, if agreed, would
be slowly withdrawn over Russia if pieces agreed, and I
suppose in other highlights, the European plan look at holding
elections as soon as possible in Ukraine after the signing
of a peace agreement. That's very similar to what Donald
Trump's plan had suggested. The size of the Ukraine military
cap did eight hundred thousand in peacetime, NATO agreeing not

(01:31:49):
to permanently stationed troops in Ukraine but also saying that
NATO fighter jets will be stationed across the border in
Poland and saying that the article in NATO where an
attack on one member is an attack on all members
very much now on the table and wanting to be
enshrined into any peace deal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Okay, now, what do we know about this case as
being reported of a Romanian grooming gang and the ringleader,
they are being offered about fifteen hundred pounds to be deported.

Speaker 19 (01:32:20):
Well, criminals are in this country, of course, if they
are foreign criminals and face and a sentence of over
about a year, are therefore compulsorily compulsorily just considered for deportation.
Now in this case, the government is also looking at
cases where it considers it cheaper to offer somebody about

(01:32:44):
three and a half thousand New Zealand dollars just to
leave the country, because they consider that cheaper than going
through the courts and trying to get that deportation or
to underway. In this instance, that offer of three and
a half thousand New Zealand dollars appear to have been
made to the ringleader of a Roumanian grooming gang in

(01:33:04):
prison a waiting trial for ten rapes. Now, obviously this
is not what is meant to happen. The thirty eight
year olds are thoroughly nasty piece of work according to
the evidence, raping, drugging, exploiting, violnable women in Scotland. And
yet this offer was made that must it appear have
been a mistake. What's more amazing is that during this

(01:33:25):
court case it would appear that his right to remain
in the UK was extended, and that's because that's all
part of the EU settlement scheme, where a member of
the European Union can live in the UK on a
semi permanent basis. So the idea that that again did
not take into account of what was happening in the

(01:33:45):
courts is quite extraordinary and shows, I'm afraid more chaos
at the heart of these systems.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Yeah, it must be driving voters absolutely nuts. Now, would
you have paid one point seven eight million pounds for
a watch that came from the Titanic.

Speaker 19 (01:34:01):
And no, but what a remarkable story this is though
the history of this watch is absolutely amazing. So probably
the richest couple aboard the Titanic when it sank on
the fourteenth of April nineteen twelve, were a couple called
Isidor Strauss and his wife Ida, and Ida was offered
birth on a lifeboat when the ship hit the iceberg,

(01:34:25):
but she refused, saying I would rather perish with my husband,
and indeed both did perish that night. But Isidore Strauss,
a husband who was a very well known businessman, a
Bavarian born American businessman, a politician, and the co owner
of Macy's department store in New York, also had this
amazing and very expensive gold pocket watch. And in the aftermath,

(01:34:48):
in the days after the awful sinking, his body was discovered,
as was the pocket watch, and the watch had stopped
the exact moment that the Titanic had sunk, and they
must have lost their lives in the freezing water.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
And so yep, gone and sold.

Speaker 19 (01:35:04):
It's an amazing piece of memorabilia and fetching a price
of the roughly three point eight million New Zealand dollars,
which quite frankly is supposed to be a record breaker
for this particular type of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
That's incredible. Hey, Gavin, thank you very much, Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent. Would you, of course you wouldn't spend money,
and of course you just buy yourself a bloody house instead,
wouldn't you? Hey, did you know that here's some good
news on the music stuff, Because we spent a lot
of time talking about the Tata not coming here in
the oasis, not what coming in and going to ask
raah blah blah blah, But did you know that the
dance music scene here in New Zealand is absolutely pumping.

(01:35:38):
NBR is carrying a story today quoting a festival organizer
who reckons that we are now well known as one
of the world's most engaged drum and band drum and
based markets after the UK because the UK, and then asked,
this guy's name is Mitch Low. He does he runs audiology.
They do heaps and heaps the concerts or events I
suppose they call them in the dance scene put on
about two hundred a year. He did the DJ Fisher

(01:36:00):
one at Victoria Park drew twenty three thousand, and they're
doing another one. Answers it called Worship.

Speaker 15 (01:36:06):
Is that it's oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Worship is huge.

Speaker 8 (01:36:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:36:09):
It's four of the biggest drum and based DJs and
they will perform at the same time. It's like a
big supergroup and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
They're doing it at the domain. Yes, and that's going
to be even bigger than anything else. Well, you want
to split hairs on this, don't you a Because it's
not just all the electronic music. It's the drum and
the bass.

Speaker 21 (01:36:25):
Oh yeah, drum and based specifically. Well, it's just where
where you talk about us being world leading and second
in the world, it is specific to drum and bass.
Like Australia gets much more sort of big trance and
house artists than we will.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
So drum and bass is like what's their name? Who
just cinda walked out to shape Shift? Yes, that's drum
and bass, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
That's correct?

Speaker 8 (01:36:42):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Why is it? Why are we so into the drum
and the bass?

Speaker 21 (01:36:45):
I mean that's a really good it's probably a documentary
in and of itself. I don't know, it's just always
been that way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
It will be a thing. Why are we Well, I
mean you can I was going to say, why are
we so into reggae? Well, that's obvious because everybody smokes
pot apparently in this country.

Speaker 21 (01:36:58):
I think drummer base comes from the same under roots's
reggae as well, that kind of Caribbean English.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
So maybe so it started with a bomb and then
it went to the reggae, and then it went to
the drum and the bass.

Speaker 13 (01:37:09):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
It explains everything right. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
It's the Heather Toop c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by newstalk ZEBBI.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Heather, I'm fifty four and I'm going to Fisher and
Carl Cox, and they are two of the best DJs
in the world. Google them. Mars Mauz already knows. I'd
have to google them to know what the how he's
talking about.

Speaker 21 (01:37:32):
You'll know ants Carl Cox would have been making music
back here when you were going to that sort of
thing as well. He's been around so for ages.

Speaker 13 (01:37:38):
He's so one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Sing one of his songs.

Speaker 21 (01:37:40):
Answer, well, he's a classic DJ rather than a producer,
and that he doesn't actually make that many tracks. He's
all about finding the ones that are coming up and
bubbling through the other people are making and putting them
together in a good set.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Oh I see, Okay, Yes, So you can't sing one
of his songs. Lucky, nobody wants me to sing anything.
I love it when people try to sing anything, but
especially dance music.

Speaker 13 (01:37:59):
What have you got?

Speaker 21 (01:37:59):
Why have you got a Wonderwall? By Oasis? To play
us out tonight? Hither because the second Oasis show in
sal Paolo has wrapped up, so that means that's the
end of the tour.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
They did it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
They did it, and they didn't even break up at
each other.

Speaker 21 (01:38:12):
The band is still together and Clea and Noel is
still talking to once something's gone wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
What happened?

Speaker 21 (01:38:18):
They did what like forty one different shows and they
somehow managed to get on well, I mean, who maybe
they'll do another one.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
This was insane.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Haven't they already said see you next year?

Speaker 13 (01:38:27):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
I think they had there?

Speaker 13 (01:38:28):
You go all right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Do you know what the meaning of Do you know
what a wonder wall is?

Speaker 12 (01:38:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I didn't know this until this scare, And I mean
I've been singing the song for since.

Speaker 21 (01:38:38):
I thought they just made them word.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Up, same, same, No, A wonder wall can refer to
a person who is a constant source of inspiration or salvation,
like an imaginary friend who can save you from yourself. Oh,
so exactly what the sole is s so like an
imaginary friend. It started out well and then it just
it just descended anyway, See you tomorrow look after yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
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