Full Show Podcast: 24 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather dupless Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's get
connected and you talk as.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Auckland Transport's
going to tell us what they are going to do
to keep people safe on buses now the chief on
Boodsman has taken another crack at ordering a tammit key
for failing to keep kids safe. He's going to talk
us through it. And there are more complaints, aren't there
about David Seymour's food and school's plan And this time
it's the packaging just not good enough. Heather Duplessyl, Okay,

(00:39):
look on with some bus stabbing. I get that there
is a fear, and it is a fear that has
been building for a while now about safety on public transport,
and it is not unfounded given the number of assaults
that have happened, some of them quite serious and now
a murder. I think people are entitled to feel really
scared of what is happening on buses and on trains
at the moment. And I also think that there is

(01:01):
a fair argument for increasing security on buses. But I
suspect that we all know that you increase security on buses,
you you're only ever going to really because it comes
with the cost. You're only ever really going to increase
security on the most problematic routes, and everybody else is
going to be taking a bit of a punt. And
you're only ever going to stop low level offending. Right,
It's a security ard is not going to be able

(01:22):
to stop something like this happening. Again, security guard has
got limited powers, and what security guard is going to
put themselves in the way of a knife? So the question,
of course is what's the solution. I think it's with
the courts. This guy, and we have to say he
is alleged to have carried out the stabbing. It has

(01:43):
not been proven by court yet. But this guy is
the perfect example of why we should lock away bad
people for as long as possible. This guy was before
the courts in May for sentencing for threatening to kill
and threatening a dwelling, which he'd done last year. Now,
threatening to kill in particular, is this serious offense that's
punishable with between two and seven years in jail. Now,

(02:04):
explain to me how a guy who's accused and guilty
of something that can land you in the slammer for
between two and seven years ends up with a sentence
of only one year and seven months. How did that happen?
And now, because it's below the two year mark, the
magic two year mark, what it means, conveniently is that
he is entitled, because it's below the magic two year mark,

(02:25):
to be released when he served exactly half of it. Now,
if he had already served that half, which is nine months,
while he was in custody on remand waiting to be sentenced,
it means that he would have been released almost immediately
after his sentencing. So he gets sentenced in May for
a very serious offense threatened to kill, and his potentially
out on the streets pretty much immediately. He was subject

(02:47):
after that to prison release conditions, no surprise, breached them
in quarter a fortnight ago for those breaches and he
was put out on the streets again. Wasn't he was
given bail? Wasn't he?

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Now?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
What good? Because we keep getting to both the people
a we need. We can't just lock people up forever,
Gotta let them out, gotta let them rehabilitate. What good
did letting him out of jail. Do did he rebilitate himself?
I don't think so. What we've got now is an
accusation that he went on to stab a complete stranger
on a bus. Now, with the benefit of hindsight, we

(03:18):
can absolutely say he should have been in the slammer.
He should not have been let out of jail. And
this is why we need laws like three strikes that
impose a maximum penalty. This is why we need to
keep people in jail for as long as we possibly can.
This is why we need the rewrite of the Sentencing
Act that is happening with the government at the moment,
because the judges ain't gonna do it by themselves, are they.
And this guy accused of stabbing a complete stranger on
the bus is a case in point of why it

(03:40):
is okay, it is okay to lock some people up
for a very long time just to keep the rest
of us safe.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
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Speaker 3 (03:50):
Two is the text number standard text fees applied. Now
on another subject altogether, the government is celebrating success in
the fight to get people out of emergency housing. It
says almost fifteen hundred kids have been moved out of
these motels and so on. The Associate Minister of Housing
is tamaportuck a high tummer.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
You order here they how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm well thanks mate. So these almost fifteen hundred kads
are they all being moved into state houses now?

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Well?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Blue Streets Center, it's still on Bluesheed's carigory. We've nearly
moved fifteen hundred young Tamaitiqi into social housing. But in
fact the total number of tamatichy or children that have
left emergency housing is nearing two thousand, five hundred.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh where have the other thousand gone?

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Well, some of them have not gone into social housing.
They've just left gone into private housing, houses that attract
an accommodation something. They've gone into different types of housing.
But we've seen a massive shift.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, well that's good stuff, isn't that? How many kids
are still left in this kind of motel situation?

Speaker 5 (04:45):
When we came in, there were nearly thirty five hundred.
Now there are less than twelve hundred.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
And what do we do about them? How quickly can
you get them out?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Well, we're really focused there. As we said, we've got
our government target number eight, the goal is to get
seventy five percent of how holds out. We've reached sixty
two percent of nine months. I think it's good form,
but we've got a long way to go. We've got
the priority one. So when children have been living in
an emergency five over twelve weeks, they get near to
the top of a social housing register and we try

(05:13):
to get them out of housing, first, emergency housing, out
of that bank place, and separately we're also try other
ways to encourage people to leave emergency and not just
as the socialising but into private housing.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Now, why are you guys still putting this problem? This
is the motil problem on Rotrure.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Well, retre has very very few people in emergency housing,
but there are a lot of families, maybe one hundred
and forty families with children that are in what is
known as contracted emergency housing. It's like transitional housing. In
order to get them moving, we have to make sure
we've got the right mix of social housing and private
housing available in the community. There hasn't been enough. There's

(05:54):
a lot of building going on and we look forward
to moving many of those families out in the next
six to twelve months.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Ye, but hold on a ticket. You know what I'm
talking about here. This is the application for the seven
emergency housing motels still operating in a continue.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Those are for contracted emergency which is set up for
families and it's like transitional and you have to renew
those licenses every one or two years. If we just said, oh,
we're not going to renew those licenses, then those finos
we don't have a place to go to. On the
other side, would supply we are building housing indle to

(06:29):
do it. We think over the next twelve or six
to twelve months and by the end of percent the
next year, we won't have any more need for those
particular hotels.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay, So didn't you guys promise at the last election
to end this nonsense?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
In retrue, we said we're promised by the end of
twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Five, and you still intend to meet that promise.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Okay, what are you going to do with the situation
with Ihumarto? Are you going to sack this group?

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Look, it's not an easy solution and it's not an
easy ant. We support the group to come up with
an endurance solution, one that basically drives potato or unity.
It's not something that we can just stream up today,
but we certainly are looking for program.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, but hang on tick, it's quite easy. You could
just sack them and get some other people who actually
can do the job.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I think that's a view. But I think they are
making some progress and to come into a solution that everyone.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Can What progress are you seeing that we're not seeing?

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, yeah, I can't disclose all CONFIDENTI discussing, Well, that
sounds like there's no true But what I can't say
is is that I think they're in a bit of
set around what the potential options are stayed than they
were two years ago.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
What are you talking about that in a that sounds
like bs That just sounds like them finally coming closer
to something. There's two years summer, come.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
On mate on them.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
As I said in the house today, they are very enthusiastic.
When I attended one or two meetings this year, which
the previous minister have not attended any meetings, And certainly
I'm committed to supporting that Autocahti to come to a
solution they had five years were up to year three.
I've been there for one year and I think it's
better now than it was when.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I RF, are you going to give them another two years.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
After supporting to all FUCAHRDI to get to a solution.
That's what I'm committed to.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, a good, that's cool.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
What are you on?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Are you hanging up on me now?

Speaker 5 (08:21):
No, not at all, waiting for your next question.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Oh well that my next question is about that. So
are you just answer this for me?

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Are you going to give them another two years to
have this this talk? First?

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, the way it was set up by the previous
government means the crown actually has very little role in this.
We appoint two members to that all too. That's that
all predicts together and as dealing to this issue were
previously the budget was supported by the previous government and
right now I'm continuing for members to come to us

(08:53):
an enduring solution. That's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Smer thank you, thank you for not hanging up on
me as well. By the way, that's summer PORTUK who
is the Associate Minister of Housing here. That isn't it
interesting how the judiciary always treat the if bad guys
are in jail, they can't commit crimes argument to some
kind of trifling irrelevance. Very good point, Jared. It isn't.
Literally lives depend on it sometimes sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
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Speaker 6 (09:36):
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Speaker 3 (09:38):
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Speaker 2 (09:40):
I don't know how about this.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
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to score a ton. Who do you like more to
get that done?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
I don't know who do you reckon?

Speaker 7 (09:54):
I'm more inclined to go maybe fifty three seventy five
for Conway three. It doesn't make any difference. But if
you want to have a bit of a bit of
a roll, a bit of a dally, it's like India
paying a dollar thirty to win this, and I think
that's the key thing here. No Rain seven dollars to
draw New Zealand five twenty five. And let's not forget

(10:15):
that last week New Zealand's paying fifteen bucks for the winty.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Absolute dollars you could have made on that. But okay,
my question on this one is are we as confident
about this test as the last one?

Speaker 7 (10:27):
Well, we weren't confident about the last one at all.
Were we thought we're going to get absolutely flogged?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Do we think the same thing is going to happen though?

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Is not?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (10:34):
I think this time around the way the bitch has
been prepared or doctored. But it's actually totally fair. They
can do that that it would be unlikely in saying
that there is a no fair attitude with this black
Caps team. They're not entirely concerned. So well, people have
written us off and it might turn square and it
might not bounce that much, but you know, it doesn't matter.

(10:55):
We back ourselves to do it. But India had a
history of you beat them at home, they come back angry,
and that's my only concern. You come back angry and
what vengeance. You don't necessarily make the right decisions. So
it should be a should be a good day.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Silver that is so impressive to zip up against Australia.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Well, if you look in the wholeness of Airstree where
I think it's eight consecutive tests against the Australians at
home where we've secured victory. The problem comes as when
we go back over there again and they are unloaded
on us. So we go out to Perth on Sunday
and then we've got Melbourne on Wednesday. So it might

(11:34):
end up being the situation if the Australians weren't tell
on the bounce that it comes down to that to
seven minute quarters. I suppose you'd say to decide the
winner of the series extra time.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, it draws who has a four game series?

Speaker 6 (11:50):
They do?

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Who came up with a four game series?

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Tays have two Dames series, don't they say? You know
it so the way it is, but they used to
have a tiebreaker and if it was this time around,
we feel pretty confident because we've smashed them by so much.
But you know it's changed now. So you get down
to the point that in the last quarter and Australia
are looking like being well ahead and will draw level.
What happens with the subspench? How does noling toto work that?

(12:16):
What has to happen then for the Dame? Which they go, okay,
this is almost an extra quarter. It's almost fifteen minutes
a time. And I think one plus with that is
that Dame Nolan Todua has always insisted on the most
fit players to turn up. Yes, her beep tests have
been phenomenal. She dropped players out of the team you
thought would be sure because this wren't fit enough. So

(12:38):
this might pay some dividends in the long run.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Well, they've got the.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Attitudes record as in Australia, which favors there.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
They've got the attitude though the Silver fans won't even
let it come down to that. We're going to beat
them in Perth and it's all over over or beat
them up in Melbourne.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
But it adds a lot.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
But those two, those two thrashings Grace Wiki Hello.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
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Speaker 3 (13:08):
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Speaker 1 (13:14):
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Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let's get connected news talk because.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
They'd be Hey, the Prime Minister has just landed in
some More for Choggham Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting, has
just been holding a press conference spoken about the bus stabbing.
So have listened to what he's had to say.

Speaker 9 (13:32):
Yeah, look, I'm incredibly sad and just shocked, to be honest,
and just thoughts are really with the family of the
victim because you know they were just going about their
everyday life and you know there could have been anyone
in New Zealand. And I think that's why our New
Zealanders will feel pretty confronted by this issue in this incident,
because you know, there was someone trying to go about

(13:53):
their daily life and lost their life and that shouldn't
happen in a New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
As somebody has pointed out, this is Sarah on the text.
This fatal stabbing comes in the same week that is
supposedly tough on crime. Government is watering down three strikes
because they've been captured by the Ministry of Justice bureaucrats
who will oppose the three strikes. I mean, if there is,
if there, if we need maybe we need to have
another chat to Nicole McGee, get her on and be like,
what about what about this? How you like them three strikes? Now?
Bolstering with beefing them up? I'm warning you record she's

(14:21):
going to have to four twenty six. What about Bojo?
By the way, so Bojo, It's been announced today Boris
Johnson is go he of the fluffy straw like hair,
is going to be the keynote speaker at a long
lunch in Auckland and December. It's being organized by the
guys who normally do boxing events but it's Bojo, so
it's kind of comparable do co and then also by

(14:42):
the Auckland Business Chamber, which is Simon Bridges is a
lot And I'll tell you what if you are looking
for an event, if you're like, well, I don't know
what I'm going to do with my December, this is
what you're going to do with your December. This would
be a good time. It's going to have Winnie p speaking,
Kerry Woodham is going to be the EMC. And I'll
tell you my experience. I reckon Kerrie is I would

(15:03):
I would struggle, I reckon, I just reckon that she's
the best MC in the country. And I'm happy for
you to give me a name and challenge me on that.
Tell me who is better than Carrie Kerry's the best?
Paul Henry is going to do a Q and a
four course long lunch and beverages. Unfortunately that you're going
to need deep pockets for this one. So it's four
ninety five per person, as in four hundreds and five

(15:24):
hundred bucks per person plus GST. And if you want
a table of ten, that's four thousand plus GST. But
how good. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
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Speaker 2 (15:39):
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Speaker 1 (15:40):
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
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Speaker 2 (15:45):
Z'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Like Heather, the Bojoe speech is going to be the
best night? What an event? Who needs the Americas up?
I mean, it's a different five, it's a totally different vibe. Also,
it's not a night event as it it's the daytime event,
so you're gonna be doing a bit of day drinking.
And I would recommend some day drinking on that one actually,
because I reckon that would make Bojo even more fun
than he already is. Now listen, not a very serious matter.

(16:14):
We're gonna have to talk about what the chief on
Boodsman has been speaking about today. He has taken another
crack at ordering at Tamdiki, very very unhappy about the
fact that they are, in his opinion, failing to properly
investigate assaults and violence against kids. And when we're talking
about kids here, we are talking about very very young kids,
like we're talking about preschool kids, right, so that's under five,

(16:36):
and also primary age children. These are the smallest ones
who arguably need the most protection from Ordering at Tamidiki.
He has pointed to a specific example that made him
very worried, and this was over a period between it
sounds like the start of twenty twenty two and midway
through last year, so let's say in eighteen month period
or thereabouts, relating to a family mother had a new boyfriend,

(17:02):
kids living with the mother being violent, the new boyfriend
being violent and abusive allegedly towards the children. Now, he says,
ort Unger Tamidiki got nine reports of this violence from
seven different parties. You know, family members were reporting at
professional agencies were reporting it. There were photographs, like, there

(17:23):
was all this evidence that this stuff was happening, and
aut Unger Tamadiki, it sounds like, didn't investigate at all.
In the end, it culminated in an alleged attempted kidnapping
of one of the kids, and the alleged the actual
alleged kidnapping not even attempted, but actual kidnapping allegedly of
another childhood was a relative. Now he got so worried

(17:44):
about this, is Peter Boshia that he was asking audung
A Tamdiki, please tell me that these children are safe.
The first time that he asked, autung A Tamdiki was like, yep,
absolutely safe. Yeah, we got a new we've got a
new safety. Planet's working well. He asks again because he's
no a fool. Two weeks later and then they were like,
oh yeah, nah, a breach has occurred. Three days later,

(18:05):
another breach has occurred. Fortunately, the situation is now resolved
and those kids are living with their father and they
are doing well in the father's care. But it doesn't
really resolve the problem that we've got which is audung
A Tamidiki is getting multiple reports, multiple reports with photographic
evidence suggesting that kids are being abused and it's not
doing anything about it. Does this go some way to

(18:27):
explaining why we continue to have children who, unknown to
udung A Tamidiki dying all of the time, like all
of the time, all of the time. When a child dies,
already knew about that. Will that explain it? We're gonna
have a chat to Peter Bosher will be with us
ten past five right now, it's twenty two away from five.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
So the King and Queen's Queen's state visit to Sarma
is now underway. They've got a busy day at Choggham tomorrow,
but today has been all the fun stuff. They've been
drinking Kaver don't know how good that is for his health.
Been dissipating in traditional ceremonies, been receiving gifts like hand
woven fabric and a pig. Going to be hard to
get that back into the UK. The locals say they're
keen to roll out the welcomemand we.

Speaker 10 (19:10):
Are someone before we always extend our hospitality, Sam the King,
who are sorry, you know, our distocreate opportunity to welcome him.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
The US has warned that any North Korean troops that
fight for Russia and Ukraine will be regarded as legitimate targets,
and American National Security spokesman says three thousand troops from
North Korea have been training in Vladivostok in Eastern Russia,
but Russia denies this claim, and a foreign policy expert
Georgetown University says this is all a bit of a worry.

Speaker 11 (19:36):
Actually, what are the North Koreans getting in return for
all this assistants they're giving Russia? And they are real
concerns that Russia is facilitating the extension of North Korea's
nuclear program and also providing it with other high tech
weapons in it.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Once, and finally, Billy Joel has sold his house in Florida.
For get this seventy one million New Zealand smackeroos. Now,
you and I would probably be pretty stoked of our
house sold for seventy one mil. But Billy maybe not so,
because actually when he put the property on the market,
he was hoping to get one hundred and eight million

(20:13):
for it, so he has taken quite the haircut. The
house is beachfront, nine bedrooms, ten car garage and a
separate guesthouse.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
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Speaker 3 (20:27):
Murray Old Rozsie, correspondent with US Now he mus good afternoon,
Heather So Lydia thorpey, So did she swear allegiance to
the Queen's heirs or the queen's hairs?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Look, I mean talking about hair splitting part in the pun.

Speaker 12 (20:42):
Look, the fact of the matter is another week, another
Lydia Thorpe headline.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
It's as though she's just out there looking for headlines.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
She's hit back after suggestions that she was an absolute
muffet last week with her protest in Parliament at that
parliamentary reception for the King and Queen.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
And look a lot of people saying she did well.

Speaker 12 (21:00):
She promoted her indigenous cause and she's obviously very passionate
about it.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Others said, what are you doing? You're a clown.

Speaker 12 (21:08):
You swore allegiance to his mother. Now she says, well, no,
I didn't. Actually I did not swear allegiance to her heirs,
to her heirs, ha irs, well, Lydia, and then she says, oh, look,
because my grammar's not as good as yours, and Peter Dutton,
you could put your head in as well.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
I'm not going anywhere. How dare you question my legitimacy?

Speaker 12 (21:28):
There's the point if she didn't swear allegiance to the
queen's heirs, and she swore allegiance to the queen's.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
But he hairs on her head? Well is she a
legitimate senator? So look, she's looking for a headline, she's
getting it.

Speaker 12 (21:43):
We're still talking about her, And as Oscar Wild said,
there's only one thing worse than being talked about, and
that's not She's there.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
For another three and a half years, and she said,
I'm going nowhere.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Listen, tell me. You're obviously closer to the action so
you'll know better. But from where I'm sitting, it looks
like she did actually deliberately swear allegiance to the hairs,
so that she didn't swear allegiance to the ears, and
then she fished that up, and then when the controversy
blew up, she retracted it because it was getting too hot.
Is that basically what happened.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
That's what's happened. Yeah you do.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Do you make her go back and do it properly
or what?

Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, look, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (22:16):
The presiding officers of the Senate we'll obviously have a
view on this. It hasn't been it has been spoken about.
I'm sure today he certainly Katie Gallagher, the Government leader
in the Senate, was pretty hot and strong about it.
It's not up to Gallagher, it's not up to Labor.
It is up to the presiding officers. So where this
particular mop flops, I'm not sure. Will Thorpe have to

(22:39):
go back and do it again or does she get
kicked out? Well, they can't kick her out, but she's
a bit like Fatima payment for labor. She was a
lucky recipient of a Senate seat when the Greens picked
her pre selected to go in the Senate.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
She says, I'm going nowhere. I'm there for another three
and a half years.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
And yeah, okay, now listen, explain something to me. Why
did this guy the rest reateur, why did he have
a swastika at that rally? What's the point?

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Well, well, yeah, exactly. I mean this is a guy
called Al Yaznek.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
He owns some very high profile restaurants in Sydney and
in Melbourne the Nomad Group, and for reasons best known
to himself, he turns up at a pro Palestine rally
with a sign with basically the star of David removed
and a big Nazi swastik is is stuck in the middle.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
Well of surprise, surprise, he's been arrested in charge and
now he's pleaded.

Speaker 12 (23:31):
Guilty to display to knowingly displaying a Nazi symbol in public.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
That's against the law.

Speaker 12 (23:37):
And now that he's another muppet, isn't he because he's
put out the standard stop standard statement. I'm not an
anti said mind, I'm passionate about supporting diversity inequality, but
I left my brains near the front door and I
left home that day. But it's too late for him
because brands like Mom, the Champagne Kings, Goldman Sachs and
others have severed every time they've got with the Nomad Group,

(23:58):
and I don't think it stopped there.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Jeez, I'll tell you what. How much is a Tim
Tam with you people?

Speaker 6 (24:04):
Now? Well, there's the thing.

Speaker 12 (24:06):
It's a story that's been confected again part from the pun.
But Tim Tams were on sale in coals and with
the big science. Oh half price, they're three dollars. Ooh well,
a journal for Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
He went in there. It popped it out on x
which was formerly Twitter. What about six dollars? Tim Tams?
Everyone's going nuts? How dare they?

Speaker 12 (24:27):
I mean, this is an Australian confection. Anyway, It feeds
into this narrative. Once upon a time in Australia, the
bank's head were the baskets. Now we're busy bashing up
and with very good reason on the back of this inquiry.
This year, supermarkets have been fleecing us. They've been saying,
you know, have this fantastic deal half price, but you know,

(24:47):
guess what a minute ago it was. You know, they've
just been scamming us. And there's very a significant parliamentary
inquiry found just that, and now halil.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
That feeds into the narrative. Now supermarkets, the ones that
we hate this week.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Are there three bucks.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
First apparently, but you can get them for three dollars.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
All three dollars is a bargain moss because you can
go to New World in New Zealand and pay five
dollars fifty for them for Tim Tams.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
Really, how are you get in the packet a dozen?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't know. I haven't counted them. But I can
do that for you, because that'll give me an excuse
to buy it. I call it research. I call it
research for you.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
And you know what it is?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Biscuit Thursday at work today, Thanks Laura. So we'll go
out and have a look after five o'clock and i'll
find out for your come back to you. Murray Old's
Australia correspondent, Geez, I love biscuit Thursday at work. It's
honestly something like today. At around I was walking to
the gym this morning, I thought it's biscuit Thursday. It's midday.
I was really thinking about what was going to happen

(25:44):
at five o'clock. How sad is that I'm pregnant.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I'm allowed Quarter two politics with centrics credit, check your
customers and get payments?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Certainty, very sore.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon, heathero.
Prime minister's in some war and is it straight to
the wreckage?

Speaker 13 (26:01):
Well, you know the thing is, I found the Prime
minister's statement that he didn't want the Chogham to be
dominated by the sunken naval vessel off the coast of Sabor.

Speaker 14 (26:15):
So what does he do?

Speaker 13 (26:15):
As soon as he touches down, he goes straight to
the headquarters that has been set up for the aftermath
of the sunken vessel, and that's where he did. His
first stand up was at that headquarters. So at least
the first few hours of his visit are certainly being
dominated by the vessel. This is what he had to say.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
Now, our focus is jointly, we're working towards mitigating any
environmental impact. As you know, we're trying to mitigate and
dissipate any minor leaks that are coming out through venting pipes.
The good news as those primary fuel tanks are intact,
and we'll talk about how we've removed that very very shortly.
But then obviously our focus has been making sure there's
no debris. There's been clearly no loss of marine life,

(26:57):
there's been no pollution on shore. We've removed the containers,
the three containers that were actually on the reef. So
now we move to a different phase, and that phase
is working with our insurers and our selvers to make
sure that we get a safe uplift of the fuel
out of the out of the ship, and we do
that as quickly as we can.

Speaker 13 (27:13):
Still is not a good look, is it for New Zealand.
I mean, here we are with Commonwealth leaders and we've
got the sunk naval vessel off the coast.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well, to be fair though, pretty accurate reflection of what's
going on in the country, and we had a pylon
come down. We're running the ferries into the ground the
whole time. It's only fair that we sink a boat
over there as well.

Speaker 13 (27:32):
But it's not causing pollution, it's just laying at the
bottom of the boat.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It might be causing a little bit.

Speaker 13 (27:38):
And it's costing the taxpayer of course, an absolute arm
and a leg. But anyway, he'll move on from that
and he'll meet the UK Prime Minister, first time he's
met him, so kias Starmer later today, and he'll also
meet King Charles. He's never met him before other so
it'll be a big day for him. I'm not sure
there he's meeting King Charles today, but he'll no doubt

(28:01):
rubbed shoulders with him, because that's what they always do
it these sorts of gatherings.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, so big deal's been made of the cost of
the public service redundancies, right, because it's about eighty million
bucks in counting.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (28:12):
Well, it's essentially the public service spokesperson for the Labor
Party that's done the sums. That's none other than Aicheverril.
She asked every ministry for the total sum of redundancy
payments made to staff and they mount to just over

(28:34):
eighty million dollars so far. But the point that Nikola
willis made, and I think it was a fair point,
that is small beer when you consider the one point
five billion dollars which she claims will be saved as
a result of the public service being cut or peered
back to where it was maybe a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
These arguments are always done because anybody who's ever been
made redundant or made anybody redund knows there's an upfront
cost and then you save a lot of money.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Yes exactly.

Speaker 13 (29:03):
Yeah, well, you know, the Minister of Social Development, they
are the highest redundancy payments. They are almost fifteen million
dollars aroung A Tamaiki and maybe that's the problem that
we're facing at that particular organization. They paid out eight
and a half million dollars and stats they come in

(29:23):
at third and just on eight million dollars. So a
lot of money has been handed out to these public servants.
You'd wonder why the housing market isn't better and willing.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
To know at the moment.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Hey, what has Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister, had to
say about what the Marori Party said yesterday about defending
the rights of the gangs.

Speaker 13 (29:40):
Yeah, I just find the statement by Raillery white to Tea,
the co leader of the Maori Party, absolutely absurd. He's
labeled a police sponsored terrorism in a polto key and
Mark Mitchell. He's come out today and he said that

(30:00):
even though it's been claimed by white toy Tea that
the homes were violated on a hunch, he said they
obviously had good intelligence to go in and mount these raids.
And he said because there were twenty eight arrests, eight
hundred thousand dollars worth of assets seized and firearms and drugs,

(30:23):
so it wasn't just on a whim or on a
hunch that whitey Tea would have us believe. And what
it does is it costs a cloud over the Maldi
Party itself. I mean, what are they in politics for?
Are they there to represent gangs in this country? I
mean these people pedal misery.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I don't think the people of a politic that the
Malori Party has come up with a wacky idea though, Barry,
thank you very much, because there's been a run of
them lately. Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent, seven away from five, putting.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
The tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 15 (30:57):
Breakfast, and the order to General has been looking into
our ageation systems, specifically inequality, basically why some kids do
well at school and others don't. The Education Minister Erica
Stamford's with us.

Speaker 16 (31:06):
And the report is just another report telling us the
same thing that we've known for a really long time.
That talks about what Erro's been saying for ages about
not having consistent nationwide picture of student achievement and progress.
It talked about a lack of data evidence. Anything that
we're doing basically says all of the things that we've
known for a long time that no one's been able
to tackle.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
But luckily all of.

Speaker 16 (31:26):
The recommendations, basically some of my six point action plans.
Perhaps that's been one good sake about.

Speaker 15 (31:31):
It back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with the Rain drove the laugh News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, I don't know what this says about our ability
to count? What if we ben? What did maths and
schools teach us? This is without a lie, without the
word of a lie. There's three texts in a row, right,
one after the other for me. Hither there are eight
Timtams in a packet. Hither there are nine Tim Tams
in a packeted pack and save Hither there are ten
in a packet of Tim Tams. Well, which is it eight,

(32:01):
nine or ten? Go and count it. Don't tell me
what you think. Go get the package of Tim Tams,
count it, and then you can have one as a
treat once you let me know. And also the reason
it's so expensive is again I'm getting a lot of
text saying, oh, it's only three dollars fifty and ranging
and right and stuff. Listen where we are in Central Auckland,
because I did a little Google search and that'll GEO
locate me just down the road from Victoria Park New World,

(32:23):
which I think famously is one of the most expensive
supermarkets in the country. So that's why it's a lot
of rich people live around there, so they like double
the price of the tim Tams. They'll buy it. Anyway.
Listen just really quickly, because we're going to talk about
this later on. There are more complaints about David Seymour's
food and schools program. You're gonna love this one. I
came this time. The complaints are about the packaging, because

(32:43):
the packages are wasteful aluminum trays and non compostible packaging.
Teachers and sustainability advocates are dismayed that the government's new
program prioritizes cost cutting over environmental integrity, undermining years of
sustainability education and delivering millions of meals a week in
waste for packaging. Think of the mountain of rubbish, et cetera. Anyway,

(33:06):
the guy complaining about it, James Calvert, is with us.
In twenty minutes time, quarter Past will be with us.
Talk to Auckland Transport next about what they're going to
do to keep people safe on the buses. News talk saidb.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
OH News, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.
It's hither Dupice Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news Talk.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Said be.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Good.

Speaker 17 (33:36):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Police had arrested the man who allegedly stabbed a woman
on a bus in Auckland yesterday. He's handed himself in
at the North Shore Police station this afternoon. The woman
passed away a few hours after the unprovoked attack. Police
believe it was completely random. Stacy vander Putten is Auckland
Transport's Director of Public Transport High Stacy, Hello, what are
you guys going to do on buses?

Speaker 18 (33:57):
Well, while what we are doing with definitely out there
in forced, so they in terms of having had transport
officers more visible across the network, particularly in that area,
we put a lot of initiatives in lately and honestly,
what we're seeing is it's concerning to us right in
terms of that there's these really deep society or issues
out there and no amount of different initiatives that kind

(34:19):
of affects that we need to understand why these things
are happening in the first place.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
You're putting more offices on is it just Route seventy
four nothing else?

Speaker 18 (34:29):
Well, we deploy based on intelligence that we collect across
the network. So we have a limited poll of people
and so we deploy them based and we're just needed
at each point in time.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, and so it's just on seventy four.

Speaker 18 (34:42):
No, No, they're across the network, but oh ranked up
today in terms of the presence in that particular area
because we know that the communities are obviously no devastated
by what's happened. So we're just making sure that we
have as many people as possible within the area to
show our support.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Is this known to be a problematic route? So do
you get a lot of trouble on this?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
No?

Speaker 18 (35:01):
Not gingly, And I mean that's the thing, right in
terms of that what we're seeing that there's sporadic across
the network is what we see. We put initiatives in
different places, and we work with communities to be able
to overcome when we see we're called patterns of behavior,
but it shifts around. It really does in depth concerning
because there's only so much we can do. It's a

(35:24):
problem in terms of their antisocial behavior. I mean, the
vast majority of people are really really well. Behaviors are
tiny issues compared to what we generally see in terms
of people moving across their network. I mean, this one's
devastating for us. We're really upset by it, and it
hearts broken for the families.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Stacey, which kind of brings me to the point that
I was making at the very start of the program.
It really doesn't matter. I mean, you guys do not
have the resources to be able to deal with every
single problem on every single bus, on every single route,
every single minute of the day. Right, It's just not possible.
So stuff like this, We're going to have to deal
with this in another way, aren't whe whether it's putting
these people in the slammer or getting mental health support

(36:04):
or whatever.

Speaker 18 (36:05):
Absolutely, I mean it's going to require a whole array
of different resources to overcome what we're seeing. I mean,
we need to look at these issues and understand why
they're occurring in the first place, and you know what
we can all do to support family skills communities to
be strong, resilient and proud. And that required everybody to
be prognissant about what's happening and everybody to be able
to support some initiatives there.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Stacy, Good luck with that. Thanks so much, mate, that.
Stacy vander Putten, who is the Director of Public Transport
at Auckland Transport ten past.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Five together do for Sea LA the chief on.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Woodsman has had another crack at ordering Ahamitiki, this time
for receiving multiple reports that a mum's partner was abusing
her very young kids, and despite even having photos, OT
didn't investigate this properly. Peter bowches with us right now.

Speaker 10 (36:49):
Hey, Peter, good afternoon here, Peter.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
These kids are safe now, aren't they.

Speaker 9 (36:55):
Well.

Speaker 10 (36:56):
The assurance given to me is that they have been
moved from the abuse of home where they were to
the care of their father, and there is a safety
plan in place. There's been a previous safety plan in
place here. I just hope this one works better than
the last one did.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Now the photos, in particular, how compelling was the evidence
that these kids were being abused? And this is evidence
that was given to OT.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
When there are multiple complaints of the sort here, including
from the children's own lawyer. This evidence should have been compelling.
At the very least, there should have been a responsible,
in depth investigation. You know, I had hoped, either after
I did my report on the death of Malachi Shuebex

(37:40):
two years ago, and the assurance was forgiven by oring
a Tamariki, that there would be dramatic change, and yet
this has happened. And so the reason I've gone so
public on this is that I just need accountability in
situations where children are being abused, and in this case,
one was even psychologically and physically abused by being kidnapped

(38:02):
and or rung A Tomriki stood on the sideline and watched,
so to speak to me, it's maladministration and it's not acceptable.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Did they do any kind of investigation? Did they do anything?
They got these.

Speaker 10 (38:13):
Reports, they did a cursory examination and investigation. It wasn't enough.
They were inclined to be dismissive when one of the
family members, another family member applied to the family court
because or ing A Tamariki wasn't it seems taking a
set of action to compound the pestilence. Or ring A

(38:35):
Tomaeriki filed a report for the family court that misled
the judge about the nature of the harm, in other words,
that it didn't put the true nature of the harm
and reality. And I found that very very disturbing.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Have you lost complete confidence in these guys?

Speaker 10 (38:52):
Well, what I want to say about confidence is that
you earn It's it's the same with the job I do.
It's the same job that anyone does ordering a tamariki
needs to obtain New Zealand's confidence. There are elements and
sights which work well. There are some where you don't
know what's going to happen, and this is a site
where we will need to have our confidence restored. I'm

(39:15):
going to lock during the time I've got left in
the job at measures of performance and measures of success.
If complaints continue at this rate, they've got an awful
long way to go before they obtain my confidence, and
I think the public's confidence.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Peter, thanks very much for talking to us about that.
That's Peter Bowsher, the chief onwardsman. Ever, I love the
number of people who I said, go count your tim Tams.
It just went into the kitchen and had some tim
Tams to count. If you'd ask me this yesterday morning,
I would have gone and counted the tim Tams. But
there's not one left or gobbled up. Heather, It's definitely eight.

(39:50):
It says it on the packet. Heither, I just counted
the tim tams. Eleven tim Tams in a packet. Hither,
I've just opened the packet. There is definitely only eight.
I failed school cert maths, but I can count to ten.
Hither I just counted my packet. Mine has eleven bought
at masts in and pack and save. Now this is
I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that no one's lying to me,

(40:10):
and that there are in fact some packets with eight
and some packets with eleven. And I have an explanation
for why this is. According to Ryan, it's because there
are nine. He says nine to eleven. But now we
find out eight to eleven shrink flation, cost of living crisis,
cut some stuff here and there nine to eleven Tim
Tams or eight to eleven Tim Tams, depending on the
bougie flavor. So apparently some of your flavors that you're

(40:32):
buying of your Tim Tams have got like double wafers
and stuff like that. Well you can't fit as much.
And if you've got a double wafer when you've got
a single wafer, so that reduces the number of Tim
Tams that you've got in your packet. And speaking of
shrink flation, can I just am I the only person
who noticed what's going on with the coffee? Because I
notice what's going on with the coffee because we make
coffee at home. So you buy the packet of espresso
grind blah blah. I see your sawdust in there. I

(40:54):
know what you're doing, right, because beforehand it was all
just lovely, thick, brown, beautiful coffee. Now I see all
those little bits of sawdusty things, and now I reckon
what they do. And I'm not going to name names
because I could be defaming and then I get sued
and I don't have money for that kind of thing.
But I reckon what they're doing is the throwings and
crap in there as well. So when you go make
your coffee, see just the water, just get What can
you do? What can you do about this being ripped off?

(41:17):
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Speaker 2 (42:22):
Ever, do for Ce Allen right, it's coming up.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Nineteen past five. Now, there are more complaints about David
Seymore's changes to the school lunches program. This time it's
over the packaging, because the new lunches come in quote,
wasteful aluminum trays and non compostible packaging. Co founder of
Eco where James Calver is with us on this. Hey,
James Hey, here.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
How are you well?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Thank you mate. So was this your first thought when
you saw the lunches being served up at Parliament on Tuesday?
Bad packaging? I wasn't the first thought, no second thought.

Speaker 17 (42:53):
I didn't actually count, but it was definitely a deep
thought and a consideration.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
What's your concern about the aluminium because I've what aliminium
is recyclable.

Speaker 17 (43:03):
And what way did you think it was recyclable at
a national level?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Well, don't know. I just thought it was recyclable, is
it not.

Speaker 17 (43:10):
I don't really have concerns about the aluminium specifically, just uh,
you know, essentially, what we're kind of dealing with is
two of the world's most severe and I guess challenging
crisises that into relate and we've got food and water,
and we've got an environmental kind of race. And I
just wanted to kind of bring to front of mind

(43:32):
the fact that, you know, we've spent four four or
so years with a program educating you know, key week
heads and feeding them with nutritious lunches, and then too,
you know, look at it in a in a more
narrow mindset and rule out the kind of future generations
in terms of you know, considering environmental impact was worth

(43:55):
a discussion.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, okay, So the bottom bit of the tray is aluminium,
and then the top bit that goes on the lid.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
What is that.

Speaker 17 (44:03):
I'm not supplying it, but I would assume that it
would be a painerboard was potentially a polypropylene or a.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Plastic lining, and that's not compossible, is it.

Speaker 17 (44:13):
I'm actually not sure because at the moment we're stilso
flying and growing number of the school lunch programs.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
The only reason I'm asking you this to, James, is
because your press release is wasteful aluminium trays and non
compostible packaging.

Speaker 17 (44:26):
Yeah, so I just wanted to understand the concept of
how you thought it was recyclable because at the national level,
my understanding is that there is a you know, limiteds
for limited ability and infrastructure to essentially recycle contaminated alminium trades.
And I don't see and I don't see a way

(44:48):
that schools can wash or off.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
The elemention just setting up another aluminium recycling plant.

Speaker 17 (44:56):
I think he's making cans for fity drinks, isn't it.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah, now, James, I've got to ask this question, right,
is the reason that you're upset about this because you've
lost business because you were doing eco friendly packaging previously
for the schools.

Speaker 17 (45:10):
We haven't lost any business. We've actually been essentially involved
with a program since inception and have a role. But
I guess the government's previous instructions and have been you know,
kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
So you're not going to lose any business. You're going
to continue to supply packaging for this program.

Speaker 17 (45:30):
To the best of my knowledge, right now, we're to grow,
and we're growing in a sustainable way, but we're also
educating children for a you know, a sustainable future. But
at the same time, I just want to understand the
cost cuts that you are considering or talking about. Yeah,
how many school lunch school lunches were sent out this year?
How many will be sent out next year?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 17 (45:51):
Tell me, I'm asking. I'm not sure. But I just
wanted to understand the reference of the one hundred and
sixty five million dollars cost saving.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Did I say one hundred and sixty five million dollar
cost saving or the slaving.

Speaker 17 (46:04):
In your reference yesterday? And I just wanted to do understand.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
James listening a long time listener, first time caller. Appreciate it.
Thank you, James, the hostile James calv E coo ware
five two.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected the news talks, said be Niicola.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Willis has announced that public public service bosses performance pay
is going to be back by next budget. So we'll
have a chat about that in about twelve minutes time
five twenty five. Can we say it now? It might
be a bit early, but let's just start saying it.
Karmala Harris was a mistake. The Democrats should never have
picked her to run against Trump. I mean, obviously never

(46:50):
say never, but it is obviously becoming more and more likely,
isn't it that Trump He's going to win in a
couple of weeks time I said this to you last week.
He is too close behind her in the swing state.
He will overperform like he usually does in those swing
states on the night and then he's going to take
them and that gives them the numbers he needs to win.
But you don't have to take my word for it,
because what do I know. What about Nate Silver, a
US selection Wizarit today saying his gut says Trump wins.

(47:13):
What about the economist saying Trump wins with a fifty
four percent likelihood compared to krmla's likelihood at forty five percent.
What about Wall Street Journal poll out today giving Trump
a narrow lead with voters here they have a more
positive view of him and a more negative view of Karmela.
And then you've got reports that the Democrats are panicking
over the fact that they think he's going to win. Now,

(47:34):
this was actually, if you cast your mind back, predictable,
because when there was all that talk of Biden's stepping down,
loads of people said, whatever you do, Democrats, don't p Karmela.
She won't win. She hasn't got what it takes, public
don't like her, doesn't know how to campaign. And there
was that flurry she got picked anyway, and then there
was that flurry of excitement and she got all this momentum.
But if you took a step back at the time,
which we did, which we did do at the time,

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and we did say that excitement was about the thought
of her the thought that she was going to be
the first black woman to become the president, and that
was really exciting, but the actual her remained the same boring, uncharismatic,
annoying voice, word salads, couldn't campaign, and that excitement was

(48:16):
always going to fade when people actually got to know her.
And people have got to know her, and the excitement
has predictably faded, as I say, totally predictable. If he
wins in a couple of weeks, which it looks like
he's going to, then we can say Carmela was a.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Mistake I'd ever do to see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Was that interview with James the weirdest interview that we've had,
like all year, and we're ten months, we're ten months
that we can say that now that's a fool that's
getting close to it.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
It was weird.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
A I don't really know what his point was. So
he was complaining in the press release about the aluminum trays,
but then couldn't tell us that eliminium is not recyclable,
and that he was complaining about the non compostible packaging,
but then he didn't know if it was actually compostible,
and then he was complaining about the fact that the
government decidelinings stainability, but absolutely no knock to his business,

(49:02):
which is to provide sustainability packaging. So if there's no
if there's no decrease in sustainable packaging, and we don't
know if it's impossible and it's maybe recyclable, was the problem? No,
I don't know. It was fun, wasn't it. It was
kind of interesting headlines.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
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Speaker 6 (49:28):
We were.

Speaker 16 (49:32):
Not fast, but the hut was standing.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
By this evening it's Allie Jones and Jordan Williams and
after six o'clock we need to talk about power. Remember
how all those those mills shut, the mills in Rupe
who and the mill in Penrose and Auckland, they wore
like all the power prices are too high. That's why. Well,
there's some evidence to suggest if you if you were
already like it's a little suspicious because you know, pulp

(50:03):
prices were down and things like that, and maybe that
was actually what was going on. Well we've got some
more evidence to suggest it. Hm, it was quite suspicious.
So anyway, I run you across that talk about it
after six right now, it's twenty three away from six.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Hever duple.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
See.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
The government is bringing back performance pay for public sector bosss.
Finance Minister Nicola Willis it has been a little cagy
on exactly when this will come in, but the Public
Service Commission is working on it and a new system
should be in place by the middle of next year.
The last government Labor got rid of performance pay in
twenty eighteen, saying the chief executives were getting paid too much.
Jeff Plummer is an associate professor at Victoria Victoria University

(50:36):
School of Management and with US.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Now, Hey, Jeff, hi, how are you.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I'm well, thank you. You like the idea.

Speaker 19 (50:44):
I think if it's done well, it can work. But
there's lots of studies that have found performance pay in
the public sector can be disastrous. So I'd really argue
against an ideological approach that it's a great idea or
it's a terrible idea. Do it well, think it through,
work out how it's going to be gained, or it
might be gamed, and manage that.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Okay, So how do you do it so it doesn't
get gamed.

Speaker 19 (51:07):
I think you need to have really good measures. You
need to audit them, make sure they're reliable. You need
to update them occasionally as well. That seems to help
and reducing gaming. And you need to design them ideally
with sort of the industry or the sector of the
experts in mind, so you think about what's realistic and

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think through how people might react to them.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Is there evidence that it does actually sharpen the minds
of the bosses and get them to deliver what they're
supposed to deliver.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It does, absolutely.

Speaker 19 (51:37):
It focuses attention, directs energy and the level of effort
put into them, and it can also cut their level
of political interference. Chief executives say, sorry, minister, I'm not
your valet. I actually have to do this work to
meet my performance targets. So it can have quite a
few good positive effects, all right.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
The trouble of courses, For example, if you do it
in the medical system and you say one of your
targets is that you move people through eat within six hours,
they start booting them out too quickly and they're not
ready to be moved on right, that that kind of
gaming can happen.

Speaker 19 (52:11):
Absolutely, you make you insist on a certain number of
elective surgeries well through there is and fast ones and
leave vulnerable people with serious complications untreated. The kind of
risks your manager.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
The available options for how to game that must be
so huge. How can you possibly design a system that
catches all of it?

Speaker 19 (52:32):
Well, my guess is you'd think about it very carefully
about the type of operation, so you specify them in
terms of not just elective surgery, but these types of surgery.
You might classify them in times of difficult in terms
of difficulty as well. So by breaking them up more
than those you can manage that that kind of risk.

(52:54):
But it does get complicated, and so taking a view
that it works in the private sector will work in
the public sector is a really silly idea. But equally,
just saying doesn't work here. We're special, we're different, Trust
us noble public servants. That doesn't really work that well either.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Jeff, thanks for talking us, sir. It really appreciate it.
As Jeff Plummer, Associate Professor at Victoria University School of
Management to the Huddle with.

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Speaker 3 (53:23):
The Huddle of that us this evening and you've got
Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Ali Jones have
read pr Hello you too, Jordan. Are you into the
performance pay?

Speaker 20 (53:31):
Well, obviously from taxpayers perspective, but of course per hour
public servants are already paid twenty one twenty two percent
more on average than the private sector. The problem is
is that all of the stuff has always done on top.
To address your point about and quite right about if
you incentivize out pots, you get outputs. So it is

(53:51):
you want to incentivize outcomes and that's a challenge across
the public.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Are you suggesting because they're already paid so much more
than the private sector, what you want to do is
drop their bay pay and then put this on the top.

Speaker 20 (54:01):
Yeah, especially at the chief executive level on Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
How much would you shave off their base pay?

Speaker 20 (54:05):
Well, it depends on what the generosity of the of
the performance payers, you know, I mean it's a little
bit like a contrarian view that Taxpayers Union take. As
you know, we don't we often brew hahaa about MP's
pay because you've got no link to performance. Ever, we've
got the worst. We don't take a Swiss approach. We
pay nothing and get people philanthroping, and we don't take

(54:26):
a Singapore approach where you generally get the best and brightest.
We start on the middle much better actually in terms
of the you want quality decisions, same as the chief
executives your big agencies. It doesn't actually matter if you
pay them a lot, but it's got to be contingent
on performance doing the job.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, what do you think, Allie?

Speaker 21 (54:43):
Oh, I don't agree that it doesn't depend on what
you pay them. I think, you know, you pay peanuts,
you get monkeys. And I see that in local government
as well, So I think there has to be some
reflection of yeah, well, I think there needs to be
some reflection in ability, but and you know, and outputs.

Speaker 22 (55:00):
But I do agree let's not be distracted by the increases.

Speaker 21 (55:03):
They need close scrutiny, but you've got to look at
those base levels as well, which are absolutely ridiculous. At
the moment, I thought that was really interesting what Jeff
Plimmer said with regards to the gaming of it.

Speaker 22 (55:14):
And I think that outputs and outcomes are very similar.

Speaker 21 (55:17):
We saw it in christ Church with EQC, so you know,
they had outputs or outcomes which were how many repairs
they did and what did they do. They did all
the painting first, so that was the stuff that showed
that they were doing the work that they were doing,
and all the hard stuff got left for a decade.
So your transparency's the key here too. There's got to
be transparency and that will help manage the gaming.

Speaker 20 (55:40):
Of it reasonly the world in this area, Iranti, you
need the old framework from the nineties around the statements
of performance expectations and the like. That's just was is
basically now gone. And actually I think that I can't
recall the former Minister of the Public Sector that did
all the reforms at Chris Hapkins and you know, got
rid of the sort of last at a performance. Bass

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all just gone back to sort of nineteen seventy style government.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
It really has. They've lost their focus. All right, We're
going to take a break, come back very short to
talk about the attack on the bus in Auckland eighteen
away from six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
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Speaker 3 (56:17):
Back with a Huddle, Jordan Williams and Ali Joe's Ali
this bus attack, right, this guy had a history of
threatening people, breaching perogue, breaching his release conditions and stuff.
Isn't this a perfect example of somebody actually should have
been locked up to keep us safe.

Speaker 21 (56:31):
No, it's not black and white, Heather. You know, what
does being harder on crim's mean too? What's your harder
may not be my harder or Jordan's harder. I'm sure
there are people out there that would be happy to
have people strung up in the village square, you know,
return of the death penalty. This cannot be a one
size fits all. You know, there are mental health issues,

(56:52):
generational dysfunction, addiction, There's a whole lot of stuff that
plays into these kinds of any criminal act.

Speaker 22 (57:00):
Does any of that, Yes, it does, Yes, it does
matter because.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Me okay, I just want to finish the sentence. Just
want to say, does any of it matter when a
woman is sitting on a bus next to someone that
she doesn't know and that someone allegedly stabs her to death?

Speaker 21 (57:13):
Does it matters if you want it does matter if
you want to try and stop it, if you think that, Yeah,
and what does that do to someone who's got mental health?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Is she's alive?

Speaker 22 (57:27):
Yeah, But that's a revenge thing. Okay, do you want
to stop this from happening?

Speaker 21 (57:31):
Do you want this to stop happening to other people
or do you want to get this person?

Speaker 22 (57:36):
Because if you want to stop it.

Speaker 21 (57:37):
Happening to other people, you have to look at why
it's happening and stop it from happening.

Speaker 20 (57:41):
And UTU is a totally legitimate objective.

Speaker 21 (57:45):
But not as a broad not as a broad brush
stroke that is not going to answer your questions.

Speaker 22 (57:49):
There are people that answer the issue.

Speaker 21 (57:51):
There are people that are quite happy with three meals
a day and a roof over their head in prison.
So if you think that just tarring everyone with the
same brush and making them in jail is.

Speaker 20 (58:00):
Going to be a distances, I've got a rap sheet.
This guy's going to problem. Let we let them out
the what was it threatened to kell?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Should have got so threatening to kill last year? Should
be sentenced for two to seven years, but gets one
year seven months, which means because he's under the magic
two years, he gets let out when he's served half
of it, presumably served half of it while in custody
on remand therefore the minuit he sentenced he's out again.

Speaker 22 (58:25):
Ye, but you're making assumptions. You're making assumptions the public record.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Even the end of it, Alley, No, I'm not his
release conditions. He's back in court two weeks ago and hello,
it's bail.

Speaker 21 (58:38):
You are making assumptions, though, that this is someone who
can actually look at what's happening to them and the
and the the action that has taken against them, process
that in their brain, see that as something that has
got No, I'm not saying it's not his fault. What
I'm saying is if this person has got mental health issues,
if this person has got a problem that chucking them

(58:58):
in jail is not going to fit, then what the
hell good is chucking them in jail?

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Shake you?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
That is fundamentally the question. What good would it be
to keep this guy in jail? It would save a
woman's life.

Speaker 21 (59:13):
Yeah, So what do you do about the next time
when there's someone who's got a mental health issue and
you chuck them in jail as well? Are you just
going to shove everyone in jail and not actually help
people out who have got a mental health or addiction issue.

Speaker 20 (59:22):
If the sky was psychotic, he wouldn't have been convicted
last time.

Speaker 22 (59:25):
Well, I don't know that. Again, we're making assumptions.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I just don't know, Alie, if arguing on behalf of
the alleged criminal is the right side of this argument.

Speaker 21 (59:33):
No, I'm arguing against an idea that I think is
so black and white and philosophically blinked that it's dangerous.
It is dangerous to tar everyone with the same brush.

Speaker 22 (59:44):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 21 (59:45):
I mean, I feel terrible for this family and for
this woman getting on a bus and traveling doing anything
you should be able to do and feel safe.

Speaker 22 (59:53):
But this shoved them all in jail, and that will
keep us all safe. Stuff is just bollot.

Speaker 20 (59:58):
Well, I think threatened to kill, you know, close to
get between two and seven years. You should get that.
That's I don't think particularly radical. It does demonstrate, though,
how hollow the government's talk is, including its changes to
three strikes, that this chap wouldn't have even got the
got a strike under this, under this new regime, and
it illustrates the very reason that the three strikes should

(01:00:21):
be there and it's been abandoned, is that it should
trigger on the conviction, not the sentence.

Speaker 22 (01:00:26):
Yes, Jordan, let me ask you this. Okay, let me
just put this to you.

Speaker 21 (01:00:29):
If this person went to jail and had been incarcerated
for say seven years or the full length of the sentence,
and then was released.

Speaker 20 (01:00:38):
As they were unless they had a rap sheet first.

Speaker 22 (01:00:41):
Okay, let me just finish.

Speaker 21 (01:00:43):
If someone went to jail for the period of time
that you feel that they should have gone to jail,
or that the law allows them to, but the issue
is not shoving them in jail, and that will fix
the problem. When they come out, they're back to the
addiction or they're back to the mental health, and then
they go on to kill hang on, and then they
go and kill someone else. What I'm saying is, what
good is shoving someone in jail if you are not

(01:01:05):
dealing with the problem that put them there in the
first place.

Speaker 20 (01:01:08):
Let someone out an early release that breached the conditions,
and our system is so weak as water will let
you out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
That's not what I said to you, though you point ali,
and maybe I can answer it for you. Okay, So
he is more likely if they're right. We're making all
these assumptions about him that we don't know. But let's
assume that there are these issues, right, he is more
likely to get that assistance if he's in jail for
seven years than he is if he's in jail for
nine months, isn't he Because that's why I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:01:38):
What the rehabilitation and the mental health support is like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
It's one of the things that Mike Mitchell has rolled
out recently is all of this assistance for people who
are in jail. Right, But he's going to get absolutely
deadly squat if he's out on the out on the
streets just wandering around.

Speaker 21 (01:01:50):
Okay, well, look, if they're going to get the support
and the help that they need while they're in prison, great,
that's a great place to it.

Speaker 22 (01:01:55):
But again I don't know that that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Okay, hey, very quickly, I want to talk about these
complaints about David Seymour's lunch in schools programs getting ridiculous,
isn't it. It's clutching its straws. What's more important to
you is it the price? Is it being able to
roll the food out at an affordable cost to the
kids or the aluminium trade?

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:02:15):
I mean, you kids starving, but you know, let them
eat cake as long as it's friendly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah, what do you think Elie.

Speaker 22 (01:02:23):
No, I don't think.

Speaker 21 (01:02:24):
I think it shouldn't be either or I think we
should be able to feed kids. And I thought that
the beat up on the meals was ridiculous. Actually the
kids were saying, give me more. Great that that's your market.
But why should we not be leading by example here
and if they can produce something. Although I heard your
interview either, that was bizarre.

Speaker 22 (01:02:42):
It was really weird.

Speaker 21 (01:02:43):
But we should be practicing what we preach and should
we should be showing kids that you can do this
in a you know, an environmentally sustainable way. So, but
I still don't know whether we are or not after
that interview to you, No.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I've no bloody idea. I feel like it was just
a winch fest for the sake of it, which is
a lot of.

Speaker 20 (01:02:57):
What is sounding to get the free biscuit?

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I get It's biscuit Thursday. So I went and
got Jordan a biscuit and what was it? A chit chat?
Will't it? Those are good?

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Eh?

Speaker 13 (01:03:06):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Hey, where's mine?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Sorry?

Speaker 18 (01:03:08):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I would love to say that I would send it
down to you, But you know what, Ali, you don't
like rubber.

Speaker 17 (01:03:17):
Too?

Speaker 12 (01:03:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
You said, Ali, we have to lead by example. So
I'm not going to waste the climate miles on sending
you a chit chat by your own Thank you, guys appreciated.
Jordan Williams, Allie Jones a hudle this evening ate away
from six on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Okay. So, anyway, hither Ali needs a drug test today?
Heither is Ali happy for the guy to go to
jail now because he's killed somebody? Is it okay now
to lock him up? Hither will Allie support the criminal
if he killed somebody in her family? Hither let's parole
the killer to be Allie's neighbor. Hither Ali Jones is
way off the base on this one, and so on
and so on. Now, look, I think what Ali's argument was, Look, okay,

(01:04:06):
I'm going to give Ali the benefit of the doubt
on this that what her argument was was, if you're
going to chuck him in jail, then you have to
rehabilitate him. You can't put him in jail and hope
that he changes right, chuck him in jail and rehabilitate him.
Although I'm not entirely sure she was happy about the
jail thing, but I'm gonna assume that she's happy about
the jail thing. This is an and and this is
what we have to understand. It's an and and right.
I want this guy to be rehabilitated as well, but

(01:04:29):
I want him to be rehabilitated away from me and
everybody else and the lady on the bus. So in
jail is the best place for it. And listen to
Jordan's point, which he made very briefly just before. It
is a perfectly legitimate thing to call for punishment. That
is the point of the criminal justice system, the criminal
justice putting someone in jail. Let's just remember what this

(01:04:51):
is about. You put someone in jail not to make
them a better person. You put them in jail to
punish them. It is okay to punish someone. So look
more of that, please, I would really appreciate it. Anyway.
Do you want some insight into how crazy the idea is?
Just speaking of crazy things, because it feels like it's
just like a lot of crazy lately. How crazy the
ideas are that have come out of Health New Zealand.

(01:05:12):
Get a load of this, because that's never ending litany
of crazy things. Back in February, they were trying to
find ways to cut costs because they'd realized they were
in financial difficulty get health in New Zealand. So a
bunch of Health New Zealand leaders got together and they thought, okay,
how are we going to do it? And this is
the list that they put together. This is not the
comprehensive list, is just part of it. They thought about
reducing the food range, reducing the quality of the food

(01:05:35):
that they would give the patients and staff in cafeterias.
It might go somewhere to explaining the toast situation at
Wellington Hospital for the mums who've just given birth. They
thought about upping the price of food, presumably at the cafeterias,
cutting the meal allowances for the resident doctors, stopping staff
from attending conferences. That actually is a good idea. Imposing
higher parking charges, imposing higher parking fines, skimping on air conditioning.

(01:06:00):
But also, and this is where we hit the really
crazy stuff, charging you to.

Speaker 6 (01:06:04):
Go to the ED.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
So if you turned up there and you were like,
I think I'm having a heart attack, they'd be like, cool, Okay,
we're going to deal with you, mister Williams. And then
it's going to cost you five hundred dollars for coming
to the ED like that. Mental I don't even know
if that's legally possible. Reduced access to IVF treatment, less
frequent dialysis, so if you've got a problem with your kidneys,
you're just going to be a bit more sick because
we're just not going to do the dialysis as often.

(01:06:26):
How crazy is this? And also a higher bar to
access care. By the way, they are apparently already doing
the air con rationing. Apparently at Middlemoor Hospital they're trialing
keeping the air con a little bit hotter. So some
of the crazy ideas made it through. Let's talk electricity next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
You've been tracked.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
If we're the money as you are, with a business hour,
we'd head a duplicy Ellen and my hr on news
talks at me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Rowena Duncan
is going to talk through the AMP show kicking off today.
Sam Dickey on the power of ads on the streaming
services because Netflix is doing it over in the US
and their prime Amazon is doing it here and ender
Brady will be with us out of the UK seven
past six.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
On the subject of those mills closing this winter and
blaming electricity prices for it, it turns out they did
actually have the option to bring down their power bills.
The Electricity Authority has put out a report saying market
options were available to the big power users during this
winter's price spikes. Bridget Abinathy is the chief executive of
the Electricity Retailers Association and with US Haybridge it oh. Hi,

(01:07:37):
so are we basically calling BS on their claim that
the power was too expensive or not complete BS.

Speaker 23 (01:07:44):
Look, I can't comment on the commercial arrangements of the
individual companies, but I think what the report shows is
that hedging options were available to industrial and commercial customers
right through that period of high volatility, and I think
that managing risk appropriately is an important part of operating

(01:08:06):
in a highly volatile wholesale electricity market.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
How much cheaper were those options than what was available
on the.

Speaker 23 (01:08:13):
Market, I think it's sort of shown on the The
EA report shows that they offered prices that overlapped with
the Assex curve. What I will say is, I think
we know that the hedge prices during that period were

(01:08:34):
higher than usual. But it's important to note that it's
it's like trying to find a mortgage when interest rates
are high.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Yeah, but I don't really understand what that means. So
how much cheaper would it have been if they if
they use the alternative options.

Speaker 23 (01:08:49):
Well, I don't think I can answer that easily. It's
every individual company would have had different arrangements. I think
what the EA is trying to show is that the
prices that were offered were reasonable given the a sex curve.
I think that's the main point. I just want to
point out that we know that those prices were higher

(01:09:12):
than normal, but that's because the prices were high.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Okay, So as we can take that doesn't mean necessarily, though,
that their businesses would have been viable, right if they
had taken these because it was still high power prices.
All we can say. We can't say that it would
have saved them. We can't say that it would have
made their businesses, as I say, viable, but we just
can say it was cheaper than what they were doing.

Speaker 23 (01:09:34):
I think, look, all industrial users in this country know
that our wholesale market is volatile because we depend upon
intermittent renewables like wind, solar and hydro, so the prices
go up to very high levels and they go down
very low. We know from the EA report that they
got as low as one dollar a mega watt on

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the first of September. So I think the point is
that hedging is a really important risk management tool for
industrial users. Being under heedged can allow users to get
the benefit of lower prices, but it also carries the
risk that when those prices rise, as they did this winter,

(01:10:17):
that they are exposed to those prices too. And I
think it's really important. You know, it's a comment that
Minister Brown signaled in his recent government policy statement that
sophisticated consumers have to manage their risk appropriately given our
highly volatile market.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I mean, bridget Look, I guess the thing is what
we're arguing about is stuff on the margins, isn't it.
The truth of the matter is that we are no
longer a country where if you want to, if you
want to manufacture cheap stuff like this, where you can
do it because we're just too expensive. Isn't that the truth?

Speaker 23 (01:10:51):
Look, I don't think I can.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
I can.

Speaker 23 (01:10:53):
I think the main comment from my perspective is that
options are available to help manage risk. Yeah, and we
know our wholesale market is volatile because we've made a
choice to move toward renewable intermittent renewables, and that just
means that we have greater volatility.

Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
I think.

Speaker 23 (01:11:12):
I look at the really good report done by a
group called m DAG that they provided to the EA
last year, and you know, it's one of the key
points in the report is we do have that volatility
and hedge hedges are a really important part of managing
that risk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Yeah, Richard, thank you so much for talking us story.
I really appreciate your time. That's Bridget Abanathy, who's the
chief executive of the Electricity Retailers Association here in New Zealand. Heather,
we'll Health New Zealand discussing reducing the cost and the
quality of food and hospitals whilst munching on their thirty
two dollar cannopaes. Yes, that's the irony of the whole thing. Ah,
there they are going, you know what we should do

(01:11:54):
while I eat this delicious piece of cannipage. You know
what we should do Those women who just gave birth
cut their toast, greedy women. Jeez, thinks they've been doing
hard just lying on a bed. Now, it's delicious, isn't
this one? And look at the view out of the
sky stadium, isn't that great? Totally lost their minds, totally
lost their minds. At Health New Zealand here, the charging
the same price as a GP for ED for emergency

(01:12:16):
department's actually a great idea. Too many people use the
ED as their GP because they don't want to pay.
I mean, that's a fair that is a fair argument,
but it's not a good argument because what you're gonna
have is you're gonna have Look, there are people in
this country who are poor, right, and you're gonna have them.
So you're gonna I just look, my husband doesn't go
to the GP. Like he is financially absolutely fine. He

(01:12:38):
doesn't go to the GP, and he like he's had
a hard operation, He's had multiple operations, he nearly died
multiple times. He still doesn't want to go to the
GP because it doesn't like paying for it. So if
that's somebody who is on a good wicket, right, imagine
somebody who's not, like it's typically a bloke, right, the
bloke will be sitting there going, oh, money's tight, nah,
and then it just die. I think it's better that
we keep the ed basically for men, so men will

(01:13:02):
go to it is a minute. You impose a costant,
they're not going to go anymore. We've got very very
bad news on the cricket unfortunately. Tom Lathan's out early again.
Isn't he bowl by Ashwyn for fifteen in the last
hour half an hour or thereabouts?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
So what is this now?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
And so his last three innings, this is Tom Latham
and the captain last three innings are fifteen a duck
and fifteen?

Speaker 14 (01:13:22):
Was it fourteen a duck? In fifty it's definitely thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
Or this week.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
What it is is crap nothing, crap, less than ideal. Yes, yeah,
opening batsman, captain's curse, captain's curse. He should ask to
have it taken off him and give it, Give it
to the guy who is the last, who's the last
in the batting lineup, give them make him the captain.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:13:40):
Maybe they should take turns as soon as one of
them's on a real good run of form and be like,
all right, guys, I'm going to take one for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Just halfway through the testa I'm actually doing quite well.
Take the captain cy off.

Speaker 14 (01:13:47):
Me so I can keep But yeah, let's work on this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think we need to find you in
this fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather due
to see Ellen with the Business hours thanks to my HR,
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the numbers and getting the results, It's Heathered duplicy Ellen
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Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Either I attended the emergency department clinic at Dargaville Hospital
two months ago. I had an ECG and I had
to pay for the visit. It was thirty eight dollars
or thereabouts, and it was a one ten zone. Hold on,
are you telling me the speed limit outside the hospital
was one hundred and ten. I'm not sure what relev
I think maybe maybe maybe we'll just put that down

(01:14:37):
to some auto correct or some stuff that's happened to
your phone there. But yeah, weird that you got charged there.
Was it a private hospital or something that you went to,
because you shouldn't have been charge if it was a
Public Hospital. Listen, gotten a little bit of good news
out of Michael Hill, and frankly, I'm happy to give
you some good news out of Michael Hill because all
the news out of Michael Hill lately has been bad news.
It's been ram raids and stores doing badly and people
coming in and fog cannons going off. It's just been

(01:14:59):
it's just been miserable, hasn't it up to now, because
they've just announced their financial results this week. Up to now,
what's happened is that the New Zealand stores have been
underperforming compared with the Australian and the Canadian stores, and
that's been quite worrying because what it's indicated is that
our economy is just doing so poorly, like we were
laggards in such a big way. News is that New

(01:15:20):
Zealand sales have improved overall. Trading has turned a corner
in the first fourteen weeks of the current financial year,
so we're headed in the right direction and you've got
to be grateful for that. It's eighteen pas six now.
Karmala Harris talked about Karmlala Harris about an hour ago
in the fact that she's going to lose the election
because she's boring and stuff. What they're trying to do
now is they've got a couple of things they're trying

(01:15:42):
to do quite hard. They're trying to get out in
neat voters in the swing states, right, So as a
result of that, they held a town hall event this
afternoon with CNN in Pennsylvania. The other thing that they're
trying to do is not to talk about themselves, but
just trash talk Donald Trump as much as they possibly can.

Speaker 24 (01:15:58):
Yes, I do believe that Donald Trump is unstable, increasingly unstable,
and unfit to serve.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
This is a mistake because the more you talk about
Donald Trump, the more you're not talking about yourself. You're
just giving him publicity.

Speaker 24 (01:16:12):
And then today we learned that John Kelly, a four
star Marine in general who is his longest serving chief
of staff, gave an interview recently in the last two
weeks of this election talking about how dangerous Donald Trump is.
And I think one has to think about why would

(01:16:33):
someone who served with him, who is not political, a
four star marine general, why is he telling the American
people now? And frankly, I think of it as he's
just putting out a nine to one to one call
to the American people.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
What this tells you is that the people behind her
campaign have realized she is not going to win any
more voters over right, She's not a voter magnet. The
best thing that she can do is try to chase
voters away from Donald Trump and Anderson Cooper. I just
want to just want it to just want to clarify
your feelings just one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
Yes? I do, Yes, I do.

Speaker 24 (01:17:09):
And I also believe that the people who know him
best on this subject should be trusted.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Now, this is not really, I think what the audience wants,
because the audience, voters in the audience was still trying
to work out what she actually stood for.

Speaker 8 (01:17:22):
Considering you've been in the position of vice president for
the past four years under the Biden administration, how can
we expect you to deviate from the direction of that
administration compared to your own?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Okay, so it's a straightful question, right, It's like Kamala
Joe Biden did some stuff. What are you going to
do differently? Here's her answer.

Speaker 24 (01:17:39):
Well, first of all, my administration will not be a
continuation of the Biden administration.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
It's about a.

Speaker 24 (01:17:45):
New approach, a new generational leadership based on new ideas
and frankly, different experiences. I bring a whole set of
different experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
So literally does not answer the question. And Annison Cooper
just wants just wants to make sure this can you
possibly tell us what you're actually going to do? Differently?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Some voters though, made ass you've been in the White
House for four years. You were vice president, not the president.

Speaker 17 (01:18:06):
But why wasn't any of that done the last four years?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's
more to do.

Speaker 24 (01:18:12):
Anderson and I'm pointing out things that need to be
done that haven't been done but need to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Wow, can you see why she's going to lose? Because
there's literally nothing on them bones. There's no flesh on
them bones, whatsoever? Rowena dunt come? Next six to twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
The Rural Report on hither duper see allan drive.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Rowena dn't come of the country over the country is
with us?

Speaker 23 (01:18:34):
A roe?

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Hey, oh sorry Roe. I halfway stopped through my sentence
because I thought there's something wrong with every with everything
because of my headphones. We're working properly anyway, Listen, you
everything's working for you quite well. You had a chat
to Todd McLay today. He's in Brazil. What's he doing there?

Speaker 25 (01:18:50):
Yeah, so he's very ahead of their G twenty summit,
but he's gone earlier. I had a few bilateral trade
meetings as well, led a business delegation to Salparlow, where
there's actually about forty Kiwi businesses operating.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Look, I didn't actually realize Brazil's such a huge.

Speaker 25 (01:19:05):
Country, two hundred and forty million people, but we've actually
got a lot in common when it comes to agriculture.
So Todd McClay was telling me this afternoon that, like us,
their government wants to help farmers meet their obligations around
climate change, around the environment, but without putting people out
of business, so leaning into technology and things like that.
He says, they've agreed that the two institutions should actually

(01:19:27):
work together to find ways to achieve that without reducing production.
So yeah, I didn't actually anticipate that they'd align quite
so strongly on those points.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Hey, the Hawks Bay amp show started today, was it right?
It's doing okay?

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Yeah, it's actually doing really well.

Speaker 25 (01:19:43):
And I mean, like Hawks Bay do it well, don't
they tomorrow's their anniversary day, so they turn it into
a four day weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Like why can't we all be like Hawks Bay? But anyway,
I'm thinking, isn't it very jealous?

Speaker 25 (01:19:53):
But look, today was kind of like the Farmer's Day,
so the farmers kind of go on the Thursday. The
rest of everyone goes on on the Friday when they've
got the day off and stuff. I was chatting to
some of my mates who were there. They said it
was a beautiful day, but like there's the equestrian today there.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Was all the shows and stuff.

Speaker 25 (01:20:09):
The trades were all busy, and he said there was
just a good group of people catching up. So in
Hawks Bay they're starting to kind of drift into that
dry end of the spectrum.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
They had a good early spring.

Speaker 25 (01:20:19):
Things were moving in the right direction, good lamming, good carving,
but you know there's a question mark now on how
soon it's going to get a bit dry heading towards summer.
Today there was the kids sharing, so tomorrow it's the
great Rahani as she is. Today they had secondary school
kids in their school Challenge round twenty five of them
or something. I think it was George from Nat Beer
Boys who took it out sure three sheep in the final.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
There were kids from as far away as Wide or so. Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:20:45):
Just I think a really good time for that region
to get a bit of a boost. And gosh, you've
got a love Amp show season.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah and Hawks Bay, so what a great combo. Hey,
thank you for that row look after you stuff. That's
row In and Duncan of the country. Nichola Willis now
Nichola Willis is with us on Monday, actually long weekend.
I don't know if she'll be here on Monday. Maybe
she'll be here on Tuesday, but I'm going to talk
to her about this because I quite like what I'm
hearing from her. Today. She gave a speech to the
Institute of Public Administration, which looks like a bunch of

(01:21:13):
senior public servants basically who got together at the beehive,
and she gave them. In the speech that she delivered
to them, she told them to be braver. She said,
too many public servants are too cautious when they're giving
advice to ministers, as if they're trying to protect the
politicians from themselves. She says, push those bold ideas upstairs.
If you are a manager or a leader, seek out

(01:21:34):
those people in your organization who think differently, who are imaginative,
who say annoying things and meetings because they don't know
how we've always done it. And I love that, don't you.
Because the problem, this is what I'm hearing from within
the public service, from people who work in the public service,
is that there is a way of doing things. And
if you've been in a really big business it's been

(01:21:55):
around for a long time, you'll have seen it. There's
a way of doing things, and you're expected to kind
of fall in line with that idea. But that's not
always the best way. And sometimes the best people are
the people who have crazy ideas, who will come up
with new ways of doing things. And she wants them
to pipe up, and I like that. She also told
them the cost cutting isn't going to end. What we're
seeing with the public service being cut back is not
a one off for one budget. It is a an

(01:22:17):
ongoing state of mind, she said, which actually also I
like because efficiency. Efficiency should never be something you turn off.
Headline's next, and then Sam Dickey need.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics, it's all
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Speaker 6 (01:22:50):
You're riding where he's driving. The last brick.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Damna Hey indies in ten minutes time. But we're we
have to talk about something that is just kind of
developing at the moment, and it is reasonably significant in
terms of how shall I say, Porky's telling politicians potentially
telling Porky's anyway, it's got to do with this business

(01:23:14):
going on with Ashaverol. You're gonna want to hear this
or get you across it. Shortly twenty five away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Together dup C.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Now, chances are you're a Netflix customer right who isn't?
And it's not doing too badly for investors either, But
there has been some brutal competition and bumps in the road,
and more recently it's changed its spots and done something
it said it would never do, which is to introduce ads.
Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us, say Sam,
good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
He know a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Won't realize how Netflix started, which was it was a
DVD rental company.

Speaker 6 (01:23:40):
Wasn't it That's right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Isn't that awesome?

Speaker 26 (01:23:44):
A DVD rental by mail business? And it wasn't until
two thousand and seven actually that it launched its streaming service,
and simplicitically that means you could watch TV and videos
real time over the Internet. And astonishingly it has almost
three hundred million streaming subscribers today after starting as a
DVD rental by mail business.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Now it goes fast forward to today and we have
a streaming service. Was it the first of its kind?

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 26 (01:24:10):
It's the first of its kind. But we saw the
explosion of many, many of these things in what was
called the streaming war. Was It's really culminated in twenty
nineteen when Disney launched, Disney Plus launched, and during the
pandemic as well, when we're all locked up and watching TV,
we had Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV and dozens of
others ramping up further to grab our attention. But what

(01:24:31):
was super brutal was that Disney and all these others
launched at very low prices. So Disney launched at seven
bucks a month in the US versus Netflix, which was
thirteen bucks at the time. So almost a fifty percent discount.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
What happened in twenty twenty two that it fell seventy
five percent? What happened there?

Speaker 26 (01:24:50):
Yeah, it got punished, so it roared through covid is.
We all bought Netflix subscriptions to watch while lockdown, along
with all these other subscriptions, it seems, and the company
got a little bit too excited about the future and
wrapped up investment and costs. And then the combination of
us all coming out of lockdown and wanting to travel
rather than watch Netflix, plus the drag from all these

(01:25:11):
new low price competitors like Disney meant revenue was way
lower than expected and costs higher, so profit got destroyed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Obviously, they have recently decided to introduce the ads. Now
what brought this on?

Speaker 26 (01:25:23):
Yeah, I think founder Read Hastings is on records saying
things like Netflix is a safe respite for users without
the controversiversity of exploiting them via advertising.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
So that's what he said.

Speaker 26 (01:25:36):
Yet here we are, so it is an optional chief
of subscription, So why the backflip. He was very frank
about his mistake. He said, we got this wrong, which
we had flipped sooner, and it's good business. You've got
hundreds of millions of loyal subscribers and you know their
viewing history, so you've got a good data to feed
them appropriate ads, and that tier, the ad tier, the

(01:25:57):
cheaper ad tea, has been a huge success, so especially
in an era where there's been a cost of living
crisis where now has more than fifty million subscribers from
zero a couple of years ago. So incredible growth there.

Speaker 8 (01:26:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Interesting, I see that Prime Video. Amazon Prime is going
to do the same thing here in New Zealand roll
out the ads. Is it for the same reason?

Speaker 26 (01:26:15):
Yeah, Well, they've done in a much blunt way actually,
but they rolled it out to the US and UK
earlier in the year and they said other countries would
follow and we're next on the list. Their much blunter
approach though, as they're rolling out ads to all of
their members. But if you don't want ads, you have
to pay up an extra three bucks a month. And
Disney of course did it right out of the gate
in tween nineteen, so most are doing it now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
And so tell me, how is for investors thinking about
this stuff? How is Netflix going in the face of
all of this competition.

Speaker 26 (01:26:43):
It's going very, very well, so during the streaming wars
where you know again, dozens of competitors were plowing tens
of billions of dollars into create movies and TV, Netflix
was the only pure place streaming service on Earth that
was profitable. Hence the irrationally low prime is that competitors
were originally offering them couldn't last. So pack that Disney example,

(01:27:05):
they launched at seven bucks, almost a fifty percent discount
to Netflix. Disney now costs sixteen dollars, so prices are
up well over one hundred percent, and it's actually more
expensive than Netflix. So it's really helpful if your competitors
pushing prices up by more than one hundred percent. And
what's super interesting is Netflix has ended up crushing the
others on new subscribers. So since twenty twenty two, Disney

(01:27:25):
subscribers have actually fallen slightly, while Netflix has gained another
eighty million.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
So what do investors need to think about when they
think about this stuff?

Speaker 26 (01:27:33):
I think it's an excellent lens through which to look
at economic moats and growth runways, which are both critical.
So back in twenty twenty two, when the stock was
down seventy five percent, many thought Netflix's moat was eroding.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
It was game over.

Speaker 26 (01:27:45):
The barbarians were at the gate. But the market actually
mistook a fast move and competitive backdrop for an arrow
in the moat. And in fact Netflix's moat has had
the blow torch applied to it and it came out
the winner. And on top of that, they've extended the
growth runway via the ad tearing and the pass wood
crack downs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
He might have seen as well here.

Speaker 26 (01:28:02):
So it's kind of like that positive flywheel and full
force great content. It's making tons of profit. It's reinvesting
that into content, which is the polar opposite of Disney
Plus right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Now, very very interesting stuff, Sam, Thank you so much
as always at Sam Dickey Official Funds. Hither I work
in the streaming sector. Every business has to have ads
now to keep up with the demand and the cost
of a show and the balance of a subscription cost
that is fair for consumers. Thank you for that. Nineteen
away from seven Ever, due for ce Ellen keeping across
this because this is the thing that's developing in politics.

(01:28:32):
Turns out there was a mole in Casey Costello's in
a circle. So if you were wandering, look we are
connecting dots here, and I have to be careful about
connecting dots because there's no evidence. So let me put
it like this, Okay, Yesterday Winston said that there was
an official who had been meeting with Casey Costello on
the tobacco stuff. And the tobacco stuff kept getting leaked, right,

(01:28:55):
and like all of these things that were supposed to
be confidential documents to Kesey Castello and her inner circle
kept on getting leaked. Now that official who Winston Peters
was talking about, he made the allegation that that person
was related to Ai Cheverral from Labor who was doing

(01:29:16):
all the running and the hit jobs on Aishavera or
on Keseu Castello for the Labor Party. Now he wouldn't
say who yesterday, and Chippy was like, who is this relative?
He wouldn't say, And then Chippy was asked about it,
and Chippy was like, oh, that's really no one. The
person I understand is several sets removed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
So a distant relative h A distant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Relative actually turns out today aicheverril's sister in law come
off at Chippy, Now, would you consider your sister? Maybe
you don't get on with your sister in law. That's
a possibility. But do you consider your sister in law
a distant relative several steps removed? Probably not. You're living
in the same city as them, working in the same area,

(01:30:00):
which is health, like they are working at the Ministry
of Health just over the road, and you're working at
Parliament just on this side of the road. Probably not
a distant relative. Probably not several steps removed. I think
Chippy just got busted in a little porky there. Anyway,
we do not know that this woman was leaking the
information that was being leaked. It is a very highly
suspicious situation though. But what is because there are two

(01:30:22):
things here that are very problematic. The first is if
this woman, being the sister in law of the opposition
spokesperson on tobacco, is meeting with the minister who's dealing
with tobacco, that should have been declared to the minister, right,
because that, right there is a problem. The woman apparently
did declare the conflict of interest to the Ministry of Health.
The Ministry of Health did not tell Casey Costello that
had to apologize to her for that today. But the

(01:30:44):
second thing is Chippy's porky, right, Chippy has been running
all this week trying to stitch together this just that
the feel that Andrew Bailey had lied about drinking, that's
been his modus operando this week. He's been punishing Andrew
Bailey for the possibility maybe Andrew Bailey did in fact
have one little drink before he went back and talked
to the worker at the vineyard, right you just it's

(01:31:07):
supposed to create the feeling that he told a fib. Meanwhile,
Chippy was actually telling an actual up and down, straight
up and down fib. Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Heather, Chippy's got form with telling porky's. Do you remember
the porkies about the two women who traveled to Northland
during COVID? Yes? Do you remember the porky's about Charlotte Ballas?

Speaker 10 (01:31:36):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Yes, correct? Fourteen away from seven with us now we
have Ende Brady, our UK correspondent.

Speaker 6 (01:31:42):
He end Hey, you have the great to speak to
you now as Kiir.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Starmer squared away this business about the labour people going
to work for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 27 (01:31:51):
Well, he may think he has, but Donald Trump is
livid about this, and he's describing us as anti American
election interference from the far left. That's how he's describing
Keir Starmer and the Labor Party. Now, you might have
called Jeremy Corbyn's Labor Party far left, but I'm not
sure he could say the same about Starmer.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
However, I think the story has legs.

Speaker 27 (01:32:12):
It's going to run because today we find out that
not only have one hundred members of the Labor Party
paying their own way, I should say they're flying on
their own money, They're going on annual leave time.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
One hundred Laborer Party members are.

Speaker 27 (01:32:26):
Going to campaign for Kamala Harris in the United States
in the next ten days. But on top of that,
we now find out this morning here that twenty senior
people from the party, including the new chief of staff,
the Irish guy Morgan MacSweeney, actually attended the Democrats' national
convention in August.

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
And that Labor paid for him to go.

Speaker 27 (01:32:46):
Now, Labor are now saying that he hasn't in any
way advised Kamala Harris or the Democrats.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
But Trump's people are absolutely livid. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Now, I mean I sort of accept that they are
going there on their own dime and on their own time.
But the problem with that story is did the Labor
Party not offer to house them all? Which suggests something
a little bit more coordinated.

Speaker 27 (01:33:08):
So, yes, there was a LinkedIn post from Labour's head
of operations. She has now not only deleted the post
because it went viral in America and was picked up
by the Trump people very very quickly. She's I see,
she's also deleted her LinkedIn profile completely. But look, the
damage is done, and it's part of the complaint that
Trump's people have now filed in the United States citing

(01:33:28):
election interference.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
But in all.

Speaker 27 (01:33:30):
Honesty, you know, imagine if there was an election in
New Zealand and someone knocks on your door campaigning and
they've traveled from the United States or Ireland for that matter,
and they're trying to convince you, you know, you're just
gonna laugh at them. In the same way as if
we had an election here as we had in July,
and an American knocked on my door campaigning for someone
who's just jetted in, You'll be thinking jog on pal.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Yeah, because it's sort of your own business, isn't it.
You don't want other people getting involved.

Speaker 27 (01:33:56):
Yeah, yeah, you can see Trump's point, But look, it's
not going to make a blind bit of different one
hundred people going out and handing out a few leaflets
for Kamala Harris, you know, if he hasn't won it
by now give up?

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Yeah too, right, Hey, now, what do you make of
the fact that cops who are accused of murder will
be given the anonymity until they are actually convicted. If
they are convicted.

Speaker 27 (01:34:16):
I think it's interesting. I think the police community certainly
welcomed this. There's been huge fallout this week on the
case of Sergeant Martin Blake. So he was a firearms
cop and still is from the Metropolitan Police accused of murder.
Now the jury came back after three hours and twenty
minutes and found him not guilty. So he has been

(01:34:36):
cleared of all criminal wrongdoing whatsoever and that core case
has now ended. However, he's possibly looking at gross misconduct
charges by the Police Complaints Authority here. And on top
of that, the Home Secretary of that Cooper has come
out and said that from now on she wants it
to be the any police officer accused of murder while

(01:34:58):
working in the line of duty should have anonymity. There
have been a lot of problems with this case, and
we now know of course that the guy who was
shot dead in South London two years ago behind the
wheel of this high powered audi that police were trying
to stop Chris Cabba, that he was a senior member
of a very serious gang and organized crime group in

(01:35:18):
central London.

Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
So it has been a huge talking point this week.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
How would you get married at Belle Morrel.

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
As an Irish Republican casfguarde enough? Not if Charles paid me?

Speaker 27 (01:35:30):
Not if he paid not literally, if he paid the principle,
I don't think I'd live it down. But no, listen,
on a serious note, it's a good story today in
the papers here today because bal Moral is costing Charles
and ultimately the British taxpayer six million en Z dollars
a year to run. Now he doesn't even live there,
and on top of that, from my understanding, when he

(01:35:53):
goes to Scotland he prefers Burke Hall, which was his
grandmother's place, the queen Mother's castle in Scotland. Charles stays there,
so he's got a conundrum to solve all this money
that's basically going up in smoke. So his idea is
there is a big building called the Queen's Building. It's
just a few meters away from the castle at bal Moral.
Charles has put in a planning application and what he

(01:36:15):
wants now to do is to open it up to weddings,
not that many a year, but enough.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
To pay the bills.

Speaker 27 (01:36:22):
So I think people will bite his hand off because
it's a stunning setting.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Yeah, very good point actually turning them. So he's turning
them into a tourist attraction, isn't he. I thank you
for that in to appreciate it. Indo Brady are UK correspondent.
Is he turning them into a tourist attraction or is
he acknowledging that they are a tourist attraction. I quite
enjoyed the scientific experiment.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
This was one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
It was a scientific, non scientific experiment. It was on
Dneedin's airport. Ben you know the one about the hugs
not being longer than three minutes because they want to
get people just like drop the people off, go go, go,
go go when you're dropping them off in the car.
So when we've got the sign outside it's gone viral
and stuff. So a Guardian columnist over in the UK
obviously has seen this and decided to see if three
minutes was a reasonable period of time for a hug

(01:37:05):
or an unreasonable period of time, like, is that unreasonably
short if people want to do a hug? So she says,
in the interest of science, I barged in on my
wife while she was working, and I asked for a
timed hug so I could analyze the benefits of hugging
for myself. After forty nine seconds, she told me to
go away, which is every wife everywhere you'd be like, oh,
this is so annoying, just annoying, annoying. And what's nice

(01:37:26):
about this is that it turns out that wives don't
just get annoyed at husbands, but they also get annoyed
at other wives. So that's nice. That's just a wife thing,
So it's not about the blokes. It's actually just about
us anyway. Turns out forty nine seconds example and actually irritating,
and Dunedin is being generous away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather duplicy Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for sme us Talk SIP.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
I saw a good texts before and now I've lost her.
Oh here it is, Heather. Oh it's the Tim Tam
thing continuation. I love this. We've taken serious research efforts
on this one, were like the Guardian columnists really putting
in the effort. Heather, I just left Woolworth's original Tim
Tams eleven biscuits Deluxe Tim Tams eight biscuits. Now this

(01:38:17):
is news you can use because I did also not
know this beforehand, so it depends. So you know you
have to do a trade off there, but now you
know that the trade off is happening.

Speaker 26 (01:38:26):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
I went to the AMP Show in Hawk's Bay today.
It was awesome and Heather, that's Mars. I'm glad you
had a good time. Marz Stewart says, you know that
it's it's the AMP show because it's a teacher only
day in hawks Bay tomorrow. It's a teacher only day
in a lot of places tomorrow. So keerkaha to all
of the parents who have to deal with the children
at home. Now there's just been an inquest into how

(01:38:48):
a friend of King Charles died and you have got
to hear this. This is one of his closest friends.
Chapter seventy eight years old. So he's got a few
miles on the clock. Ian Farquah and older Tony and
prominent huntsman great apparently the life of a party. He
died after he got himself trapped between his bed and
the wall. He was found with his legs up in
the air next to his bedside table. Problem was it

(01:39:11):
was a big drinker, had a drinking problem. According to
his daughter, he had drunk a litter of gin and
a couple of bottles of wine in a day. A
litter of gin and two bottles of wine. That's absolutely
rock solid a drinking problem. So anyway, on the day
he was drunk, and he had a care worker and
she arrived for her daily visit, but she wasn't responding
to his calls. So she went upstairs to look for him,
but she couldn't find him, And then for some reason

(01:39:32):
she peered down the side of his bed and she
saw him there, trapped against the wall, upside down. There
was an empty bottle of Gordon's gin and two empty
wine bottles and a half empty bottle of whiskey at
the property. Basically, it's been ruled he what he died
of is being drunk, being upside down, and being upside
down stopping him from breathing. So it's probably the weirdest

(01:39:54):
way I've ever heard anybody die.

Speaker 14 (01:39:55):
An no arguments here James Blunt nineteen seventy three to
play us out, James Blunt, do you hate us?

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:40:02):
So the thing is James Blunt reckons. He's a very
interesting and funny guy, so I think he gets a
song at the end. He reckons that Noel Gallagher told
him in the street that the reason Noel was selling
his Opeetha property is he didn't want to wait, he
couldn't handle James writing his shit songs down the road
from down the road from But James's quipped that house

(01:40:22):
prices went up after he left, which you would say
it's a joke, but apparently Noel has actually said something
similar in interviews before.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
So there you go.

Speaker 14 (01:40:29):
Just really didn't want to live down the road from
James Blunt.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I'm surprised you didn't end with Metallica. They've announced the
concept like in less than a month a theyre going
to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
How good.

Speaker 6 (01:40:38):
Up, there we go.

Speaker 14 (01:40:39):
We do that one tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
See ya.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
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