Full Show Podcast: 24 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going
to go kluther and Southland to get the latest on
the state of emergency and the water running out over there.
WARNAKA counselor Quentin Smith on whether they're going to fight
the McDonald's again, and Auckland FC coach Steve Corriker on
the first home game of the season this weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, the.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
New Air New Zealand chief executives wasted no time in
getting the begging bowl out aim. He's only been in
the job what five days, and Nicol Ravashank has already
said that he wants government subsidies for regional Air New
Zealand roots that are struggling to make money. He's calling
these things situational subsidies, meaning they're not permanent. They'd only
be brought in on specific routes when the economy is

(00:57):
tough and when ticket sales collapse. And he's not just
spitballing he's actually planning to talk to the government about it,
or maybe he is actually just spitballing or what they
in politics call flying a kite testing an idea because
he must know this is going to be met with
a two letter word by this government. No. A because
it's a government which includes the Acts Party, which is

(01:18):
opposed to throwing money at commercial businesses that should be
able to stand on their own two feet. And b
because the country is broke there is no money. We'd
have to borrow money to give to a New Zealand
so it can keep flying its planes. No thanks, in
which case, why is he asking this If he knows
it's no why is he asking it now? My guess
would be because he then has someone else to blame

(01:40):
when he shuts a regional route down, and that has
got to be a consideration, right there must be roots
that given our economy, given that he is raising it,
that air New Zealand wants to shut down. So maybe
getting out the begging bowl really early on means that
when he does finally shut down a route, we know
he's gone to the government, so we blame the government.
We don't blame in New Zealand for it. Now. I
hope that's rategy doesn't work. I hope we don't fall

(02:02):
for that, and I hope that we are sufficiently grown
up as a country to stop looking to the government
to bail out every underperforming listed company every time they
want to be bailed out. But also, can I say
I'm surprised that a brand new boss wants to kick
off his tenure publicly looking for help to do his job.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Heither duplicy Ellen?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Is the text understand a text fees applied by the way,
on that David Seymour, the very guy who'd be dying
to say no to him, is going to be with
us after five o'clock to probably say no to him. Now,
a leading colo rectal surgeon says, now is a necessity
that we established dedicated cancer centers in New Zealand. Christ
Church based Frank Frazell has made the argument in an
article in the New Zealand Medical Journal, and he's with

(02:49):
us now. Frank, Hello, Hello Heaven? Would you set up?
Am I right in thinking you'd set this up in
Auckland and christ Church?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yes? I think it opened the nature of New Zealand.
Bigot thin and Auckland at one end and christ Church
near the bottom is probably also better geographical distribution of
staff and resources.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Okay, And would these be cancer centers that would be
for the populations of Canterbury and Auckland or for the
North and South Island.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
It would be At the moment already a lot of
cancers are focused on the treatment for a lot of
cancers have focused on Auckland and christ Church, and christ
Church provides care from Hawks Bay across to Fonganui South
and Auckland provide care for these cancers north of that line,
and that kind of works, and I imagine such a

(03:38):
similar line would be drawn again across US. And it's
just about trying to give adequate volumes and concentrations of
resources to try and get the best value for money
out of providing cancer care, trying to get the best
care for patients, because we have several issues at the moment.
One is that without the centralization, you end up before

(03:59):
these individual places just doing the best they can, which
leads to considerable variation in the quality of care, the
type of treatment, both under treatment and overtreatment, and trying
to get effectively a standard treatment for a particular tremor
would be best for the patients, would mean they wouldn't
get the side effects of treatment and they wouldn't miss

(04:22):
by being undertreated.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Also allow no carry on please.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
The other thing would be it allows a concentration to
be able to train people, because it's very hard to
retain people and people to generally like to work with
other people in the same sort of area, and so
it allows for a concentration of stuff and therefore training
and retaining of stuff. But as well as it allows
the ability to bring research into clinical practice, which is

(04:52):
shown that when research pairs to be appropriate, the transition
to clinical practice is much faster and therefore patients or
to get the latest treatment, the most appropriate and aiming
at the most appropriate trist.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So tell me how it works at the moment, Frank.
If you get cancer and you get sent to Auckland,
where do you get sent.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, at the moment, if you happen to be in
a prosential place and don't get treated by your local
oncologists in whatever place you are in that area, you
get seen to Auckland, or if you get seen to
Aukland hospital, they would treat you in Auckland. But that
means that you're already being selected if somebody's got something
unusual about you. Yeah, because most of the people will get
treated by the local oncologists and their local community.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But are we then suggesting that we take all the
local oncologists and centralize it stick everybody in Auckland.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
No, not at all. This is a hub and spoke model,
and you still need people locally. But what we need
is a concentration of people to determine people can. These days,
with the Internet and zoom and all this sort of thing,
it's very easy to have consultations for people and in
their home.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But aren't we already concentrating all the all the all
the oncologists in Auckland in Auckland Hospital or are they
also at Middlemore and also at my parkeety and all
over the show that they are all over the show?
Oh I see, Okay, So where would you set this
up in Auckland.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well, I don't know. It would depends where Auckland's already
got space aside for a cancer center and in the
central Auckland City Hospital, And so there's some somewhere somewhere
near that campus would make sense.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, Well, I can see the merits of this. Frank,
thanks very much for raising it with us. Appreciate it.
That is Frank Frazel, Professor. By the way, Frank Frazel,
christ Church based. Listen just after yesterday's where that Geese.
I'll tell you what. There was a picture that I
saw yesterday that honestly the German and I looked at
it and went, is this ai or is this real?
And the more I hear about what's going on down
south with the wather, the more I think that the

(06:51):
photograph is actually real and it's on Facebook. It's a
photograph and I can't tell you where it is somewhere
down south, but it's a photograph that's like taken slow
but it's slight aerial shots. So I'm guessing from a
drone or a high up place. Basically looking down a
stretch of road and every single and there's a wind break,
it's a wind break on one side of the road.
Every single tree has been knocked over, like there is

(07:13):
not a single tree standing the whole bloody lot of
them in a row booll knocked over. Anyway, after that weather,
there is now a concern that a couple of towns
could be out of water today, I'm talking about Milton
and Lawrence. The problem, of course is that the power
is out down south, which means that the wastewater plants
aren't running. The reservoirs are at critical levels. They're telling
people not to flush and to try to conserve water,

(07:35):
but it's very difficult to get the message out because
of course the powers down. So they're asking neighbors to
go around and tell each other basically to try to
keep the water down. They've got water tankers by the
sounds of things, and so there is water available, but yeah,
power needs to be established quick smart. So as I say,
well check an after five o'clock on the State of Emergency.
Quarter past four.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
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Speaker 3 (08:01):
Here the Facebook is Marcus Lush's Facebook page and it's
photographs of trees that are down near Colvid and North Canterbury.
That's right, Thank you for that. Thanks for clearing that up. Listen,
I've got to talk to you about Dame Knowles. I've
got a bit of Dame Noles news for you now.
I've had it confirmed now by three different sources and
they are very good sources. Dame Knowles is not going
to be sacked. Dame Knowles is going to get her

(08:21):
job back. Now. I'm told they've actually been working on
this particular Like, you know, you could go down a
path of okay, we're going to terminate her, or you
can go down a path of okay, we're trying to
bring her back. They've been going down the path of
we're trying to bring her back for a little while now.
It's not been easy, but I'm told it's in the
final stages. So literally the stage that they're at right
now is that both parties are trying to decide between

(08:42):
themselves what words they're going to use when they announce
this to the public now, because it has been going
on for some time at you know, trying to stitch
it together. It's hard to know exactly when this is
going to be announced, but it feels a little bit
like we might get it announced next week after the
long weekend. So when it is an owounced that Dame
Knowles gets her job back, you heard it here first.

(09:04):
Nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
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Speaker 3 (09:10):
Elliott Smith Sports talk hosters with me on this. Hello
alibm oh here, question those Is it a smart move
for Dame Knowles to come back.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think it is. Look she retains high level of
public support. Sounds like she retained support inside the team,
not necessarily the whole team, And I think she wants
that job back. I've spoken to people through the week
that have spoken to her so secondhand, but they say
that she wants the job back. She wants to coach
the Silver Ferns again. She's got unfinished business there. So

(09:40):
it's a feeling that she doesn't want to walk out
like this on the team, that she wants to return
and see the team through. They've got a couple of
big events coming up. They've got the Commonwealth Games next
year in twenty twenty six. I've got a World Cup
in twenty twenty seven that are on the horizon. So
sounds like she wants to to come back. I remember
only it was only a year ago that she basically
reapplied for the job because.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
You sure, yeah, but think about the circumstances she's coming
back to, right, So she comes back. She has a
fractured relationship with some of the key players, like they
are key players. She also has a really fractured relationship
now with her bosses, and if we have to be
brutal about this, Dame Knowles has not had the best record, right,

(10:20):
so she comes back into difficult relationship with the bosses,
difficult relationship with some players, and also not the most
successful coach. So actually, would the smart move not be
simply get the job back, clear your name, take a
job somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Quite possibly.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Look, she won the World Cup in twenty nineteen and
since then that Golden generation's retired and the twenty twenty
three World Cup didn't go the way very well for
the Sewerferns, so there's a bit of rebuilding work to do.
And maybe she feels like she hasn't seen that through
yet and needs to leave the team in a better
place than she found it, because maybe she hasn't at
this point, but she retains it is a broad public support,

(10:53):
you know, speaking the sushi on sports talk throughout the week,
that the text line, the phone lines are all in
support of her coming back into the team. And I
don't know that nitball is necessarily the kind of sport
where there are huge amounts of jobs the year you know,
she could go back to doing club coaching. She's done
it before very successfully, both in New Zealand and Australia.
Maybe she wants to do that challenge again. Maybe she

(11:13):
wants to go coach in England or South Africa or Australia,
something like that. That could be on the horizon. But
it's not like other professional sports where there are jobs
that a dimer doesn't like Rugby, you can go to Japan,
you can go to France, whatever it might be. So
if she's got something that she wants to do on
the horizon, then maybe that's where she goes. But I
think it'll be a win to have her back at
the helm of this all.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, a win for her to clear a name. Listen,
have we made a mistake scheduling a cricket series in October.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
We don't have much choice in the matter. I mean,
it's either play them October or don't play them at all.
And you could probably bound a case that maybe we
just don't want to play them at all and we'll
just start the cricket season in November and December when
the weather is a little bit better. But it would
have meant that England and Australia didn't come here at
all and we only got three games completed out of six.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, how many balls did I see when I was
at Eton Park, Lill.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
There were twenty two completed?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
How many? Oh? Look, I saw the one where where
he was it was it my boyfriend ration Ravendra. He
was one of them, was facing the ball. Did a
little fell on his back while I saw that one.
That was quite good.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, it's been a bit of a failure of a series.
They've got England again and one day is starting on Sunday,
so let's hope the weather is better then. But I
don't like cricket in October. The weather's no good. It
doesn't feel like cricket season.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, this is the thing you say, Well, we
would have had England and Australia, but what's the value
in having in England and Australia If all you can
remember is seeing one ball and twenty one others that
he didn't pay attention.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
That's a very good point because you know they're focused
on the ashes. They're going to prepare for the ashes
that are coming up. That's the main priority. This is
never going to be the main priority for them.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
No, fair enough, Elliott. It's lovely to have you in
studio tanks mate. Elliott Smith will be back with Sports
Talk this evening and listen, I were also going to
talk to We'll throw this cricket question at the sports
huddle when they were with us just after half past five.
It's full twenty two on.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
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Speaker 3 (13:09):
Heither. So do the players who wanted Dame Knowles to
resign if what happens to them if she comes back, Dave,
that's a very good question. I think they probably just
feel a bit sad and then keep playing the netball
by the looks of things. Listen, We've been talking a
little bit on the show about those strikes where Donald
Trump has just been blowing the drug boats out of
the water. He says he's been asked about it. He
says he's not going to wait for Congress to pass

(13:30):
an official declaration of war in order for him to
be able to do it. He's just going to keep
on doing it.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I don't think we're going to necessarily ask for a
declaration of war.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
I think we're just gonna kill people that are bringing
drugs into our country.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Dan Mitchinson is going to be well, it's going to
be with us on that shortly just after the half
past news listen that I don't really know how to
say this. It's not a great day. I don't think
it's been a great starting week for old mate who
started it add in New Zealand, because not only has
he had to like downgrade the you know, the guidance

(14:03):
for the share market earlier this week, but then he
floated the idea as I was telling you at the
start of the show about the situational subsidies aka free
government money to help him fly his planes. Government's already
come back just now and just being like nap Minister
James Meager, who's in charge of this, said we would
encourage a New Zealand to focus on its own commercial
operations before looking to the government for assistance. Thank the

(14:26):
good Lord. Can I posit a theory with you which
is the reason that a New Zealand thinks this is
an awesome idea is because this is what Jacinda and
Grant did during COVID, Do you remember that? And look,
I'm not gonna pick I'm not going to pick them
apart for that because COVID was a weird time and
there was some There were definitely some subsidies like you
know what was it called that we paid everybody that

(14:49):
were worth doing right, But this one was called the
COVID nineteen Aviation Support Package And for about the space
of about three years, we threw six hundred million dollars
at various airlines and gluting he in New Zealand in
order to help them stay afloat and keep the regional
routes going. And I just wonder if that sweet sweet
government candy has just got them going. Mm it was

(15:10):
so easy to run an airline when when other people
were helping us out to pay the bill. Maybe we
could have some more of that. No you can't, that's
what this government's gone. No you can't. But it started something,
didn't it Anyway? News this next News Talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Be dumb gott ishs cutting through the noise to get
the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
News Talks they'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
He is coming, please don't right, Gambers and standing by.
It's going to be shortly, and Barry soopers with us
in ten minutes time because Winston Peters has lost the
Oxford Union debate. He lost it and points to one
hundred and forty ooh, that's a big margin. That's not fun.
The moot was something along the lines of whether the

(16:05):
courts undermine democracy, which I think the entire country of
New Zealand can answer with a yep. From time to
time they do. Anyway, barious opas with us on that
very shortly right now, twenty five away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive So.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
European leaders are debating whether to use frozen Russian assets
to fund Ukraine's war effort. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski is
encouraging them to do so.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
We need to use any kind of any kind of
Russian money for Ukrainian production.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And increase it. It's cheaper and quicker.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
But the European Commission president isn't quite so keen.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
We will come back with the different options that we
will develop.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Let me underline again, we will always respect European and
international law.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And finally, Tom Hanks has managed to go almost completely
incognito on the New York Subway on the beanie glasses
and a surgical mask, and almost none of his fellow
passengers recognized him, although one eagle eyed photographer did spot
him and snapped a few picks. And Tom has previously
told Jimmy Kimmel he does this all the time.

Speaker 8 (17:11):
If you are a head shaped altering hat, no one,
No one says booty.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Head shape alters gotta be the right kind of hat.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
Can to be like something with plumes, an eyed hat.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
They will look at you and hey what Tom hanssus
Robin Hood look at it?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 3 (17:37):
Dantin's and US correspondent with US Hello Dan, Hello Heather
oh Man, how's this news gone down? About the NBA?

Speaker 10 (17:45):
Boy, this is like a made for TV movie. I mean,
the the NBA players and coaches are among dozens of
people that have been arrested into illegal sports betting and
rigged mafia linked poker games. And so you've got players
from like the Miami Heat and the head coach of
the Portland Trailblazers were named earlier today by federal prosecutors.

(18:07):
There were thirty one people charged, and they're saying that
these guys were involved with four maybe five major crime
families in New York to lure victims to play these
poker games with high profile sports stars and they stole
millions of dollars while they were doing it.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Oh so were the NBA players sort of like the
bite to get people to the table.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's what it appears to be.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
And then the mafia allegedly used this technology like contact
lenses and glasses that could read the pre marked cards.
They had a table that could sort of X ray things.
I mean it really, I can guarantee you that somebody
right now in Hollywood is writing this up for a
made for TV or a big screen movie right now.
And this has been going on, it looks like, for

(18:49):
a couple of years, back in twenty twenty three and
last year.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
And how did the contact lenses work.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't know. I've been looking up that.

Speaker 10 (18:57):
I mean, I would think that from what I seen
in movies and from documentaries that they are able to spot.
It's like when you go in with those lights fluorescent
lights into a crime scene and you can tell where
there's been blood or human remains on the floor where
you can't see with the naked eye. That's what I'm guessing.
These contact lenses are able to see with the cards.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Jaz.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
That's full on. And they weren't like they were cheating
these people out of millions at a time, right, it
was super libre. Allegedly it was.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It was a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Ah Okay. Now Donald Trump doesn't sound like he's shy
at all about people about blowing people just out of
the water.

Speaker 10 (19:30):
Uh No, No, he says he's not going to ask
for a declaration of war, and these are strikes against
drug traffickers, and he's not going to go to Congress
without it. He says, well, he's going to notify Congress
before beginning any operations. But he says this plan isn't
going to get any pushback right now. And I think

(19:50):
he said, I mean, I'm paraphrasing. He said, I think
we're just doing this to kill people that are bringing
drugs into the country. Okay, we're going to kill them.
You know, they're going to be like Kama dead. So
a very different presidential way. I guess of getting his
point across in terms of how he was describing.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It, and so what was the point of the b
one bomber that he seen over there?

Speaker 10 (20:08):
I think those things are often used for surveillance purposes,
you know, and a show piece.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right now.

Speaker 10 (20:15):
They're able to fly in and able to detect things
on the ground without being detected themselves.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay, so it's not so much about dropping the bombs.
It's actually about just watching what's going on.

Speaker 10 (20:25):
Well it is, yeah, but you know what, those things
can also drop bombs as well too, So I mean
they've got, you know, several things that they can do
in several reasons, obviously that he's probably sending them over there.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Now, listen, why the shock about the destruction of the
East Wing because I thought that this was always what
was going to happen.

Speaker 10 (20:44):
Well, I mean it's you have to go through certain
hoops to do something like this. For instance, you're supposed
to get the approval of the National Trust for Historic Preservation,
and they were saying, hold on for a second, before
you demolish this thing, we need to go through the
planning purposes. There is a public review process which the
President did not go through and then you've got the

(21:06):
price tag, which is gone up by one hundred million dollars.
This is all going to cost three hundred million dollars.
They're going to redo the ballroom and they're going to
expand it. This is going to be bigger than the
actual White House. They're going to make a bunker underneath it.
They're going to redo the east wing in the office
of the First Lady. And the President says, we're going
to modernize this. We need to, and with some of
these things haven't been modernized since I think World War Two.

(21:28):
But the thing is, it's a price tag, and it's
a part of history that he just demolished without going
through the proper steps. And like he said, this is
in tax payer money.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
He's at all.

Speaker 10 (21:37):
This is private donations and private donors. But I mean,
it's still the people's house. When you do something like this,
it just feels a little less like the people's house.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think I see what you were saying. Hey, thank
you very much, Dan, appreciate it. Dan Mitchenson, US correspondent.
It's nineteen away.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
From five either dup c Ellen hither.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I'm starting to like Trump. Jaz See. I have to
be and the reason Mas is liking Trump is because
Trump is blowing drug smugglers out of the water. I've
got to be honest with you, I remain and I've
sat on the fence on this. I'm I'm divided on this,
as I have been all week, because I really believe
that you have to have natural justice. But jeez, I've
had a bloody guts full, haven't you, of drugs drug peddlers,

(22:15):
So I'm divided. I'm in two minds about it. Hither
the Timaru to Wellington flight will be the first flight
to be cut, which will directly affect James Meagher, which
is actually a fair point. And I have heard this
because James Meager is the local the local MP there,
so you know he's in char He's supposed to be
saving the aviation and then his aviation's the first one cut,
so it's not going to go down well for him. Warnica,

(22:40):
I don't know what to say about Wanica. McDonald's is
coming back. I remember McDonald's. McDonald's tried and Warnica rebuffed them,
and it was it was just such a kerfuffle. Warica
saying no to McDonald's. Well, McDonald's is not going to
be dissuaded that easily. McDonald's has put a new application
and it's going to be in a different location, which

(23:01):
is a more industrial part of town, and it sounds
like it's going to be part of like a complex
of other food outlets, possibly including a pizza hut or
something of the sort. Anyway, I'm quite keen to see
how Warnick is going to take this because it's a
better space. It's a better space, but it's still McDonald's,
which they hate. So anyway, we'll talk to one of
the counselors, Quentin Smith, who's going to be at us

(23:22):
after five o'clock. Can I tell you something that happened
to me today. I was excited. It's a nostalgic thing.
I opened the news and I said, oh, look to
the office, I said, oh look, Rainbow's End has brought
the pirate ship back and they did their first sailing
this morning. And it's exciting because it's higher than the
old one and seventeen years old. The old one felt

(23:44):
like it was quite high to me, so this is
going to be And then the German pipes up and
she goes, oh yeah, Rainbow's End invited us to go
and ride the first ride this morning, actually, but I
said no because it was at eight am. And how
did you feel about that? Ants, I would have quite
happily gotten up as early as I had to and

(24:04):
got the bus up. I was up at six. Yeah,
I was up at six because the children were up,
and look, I was looking for things to do for
about three hours this morning before before the Kendy drop off.
Fair to say that the German is not the employee
of the day with the team. Literally everybody around her
just looked at her and was like, yeah, okay, fine,
call your German. Because in Germany they probably have like

(24:27):
amusement parks up the wazoo and a pirate ship's not
a big deal for them, but we have one in
the whole country, Laura. And they said we could have
a free ride at eight this morning and you said no,
So not not cool. And if you're looking for a
German employee, I've got somebody I could recommend sixteen away
from five.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
For politics with centric credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
If we get a chance before five o'clock. We need
to talk about this Brenton Tarrant stuff that's kicking off
at the moments thirteen away from five had Barry Sober,
senior political correspondence with US. Hello, Barry, good afternoon. Okay,
state of emergency for Southland.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Yeah, incredible my home province. Of course, essentially the Minister
Mark Mitchell had to make this declaration given that the
mayors down there haven't been sworn in yet, so they'd
normally do this sort of thing, but he stepped in
to do it. It's incredible when you listen to the
reports from the region. I mean there's now states of

(25:23):
emergency in Kluth of Southland and Canterbury after those violent
winds swept through yesterday. More than four thousand homes remain
without power and Otago and fifty four streets without power
and Handmahs Springs. Now Hannah Springs apparently was the worst hit,
with a local saying that it's basically me destroyed by

(25:45):
winds exceeding two one hundred and thirty kilometers. Now, well,
you know, we thought we knew winds and Wellington when
I lived there, but there's nothing like two undred and
thirty kilometer in our winds. Ye, So yes, it must
be devastating for the people down there and my thoughts
really with them.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Now looks like Mark Mitchell stepping into the netball saga
at the start of the week has sped things up.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
Well most certainly. I think a decision on Nolen Tourou is.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Imminent.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
It's going to be made fairly soon. Not today, I
think probably next week now. But I think you can
definitely say that you'll be reinstated. Now what that means
for the people that remain there, And it's incredible, And
you think that we're talking about netball in this way
and the treatment of one person. If it was the

(26:41):
all Black coach, I wonder if it would be the
same if somebody said to me and it was the same, Well,
somebody said to me, very much involved in sport, that
look if Scott Robinson had had the same record as
Dame Nolen Toru has had in recent years there, and.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
He would no longer be in the job.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
Saying that, well, there are both. There are two sides
to the story, it would seem. But the overwhelming impression
that I get anyway is that you will be reinstated.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Can I just put to you though, that that argument
is slightly revisionist because she has not been She has
not found herself in the position that she is because
of her track record and winning games. She has found
herself in the position that she is because a bunch
of players complained about her. People who are now going
around going, oh, yeah, but she's not that great as
a code are trying to trying to sort of revise

(27:34):
what actions. Well, maybe, I mean, that's maybe a fair argument,
but this is not about her track record as a coach.
This is about her treatment as a human being. And
even when I would say, sorry, now you've got this,
the electure will continue. Even when Fozzy when we were
many of us, including myself, wanted to see Fozzy out
of the job, and I did not think Fozzy was

(27:55):
good enough to be the coach. When when Mark Robinson
treated him the way that he did, I objected to that.
I think most people are fair minded and will go
don't matter how bad you are at your job, you
still need to be you still need to be treated fairly,
don't you.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
Well, no doubt about it. I mean, you know, the
claim was made fully early on in this that if
a coach can be treated this way because a few
players are unhappy with him or her, then what future
for coaches.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
In this country going to feel about losing that debate.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
I don't think it'd be too worried. I mean it's
it's a bit of a lighthearted debate. And he went
in there arguing that the courts undermined democracy and he
lost by a phiry substantial margin. And that was overnight
in New Zealand time. But look when you look at

(28:44):
the other there's we've had two wins and two losses
from politicians since David Longhi has gone there. I mean
David Seymour won his argument when he was there. No sorry,
he lost yack in the argument.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
That'll probably annoy Winston more than anything else. That Willie
Jackson actually won the argument, so did David Longe. You
remember that there's been a long gap between drinks. When
you look at it was David Longi and the next
one to speak there was David Seymour. I think so
many many years went by, but David Longie, really I

(29:23):
remember it well, made a wonderful speech and when somebody interjected,
I can smell the uranium on your breath. I mean
everybody remembers that line. Now that's sort of become a
mortal for the Oxford Union. I don't think anybody took
much donus of the Oxford Union before David Longing took.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Part of certainly not in New Zealand. Berry, thanks very much.
Barry Soper, senior political correspondent. Will wrap the political political
week that was with you after six o'clock. Right, let's
get to Brenton Tarrant next eight away from.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Five the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
When I read the headline this morning, a defining moment
in our history?

Speaker 11 (29:59):
Is it? I don't see it that way at all,
I said, as a moment where accumulated frustration was expressed.
Those messages have been sent many times. We've heard them.
It doesn't solve anything. Getting back and finding our way
forward is the only way to get through this, and
we both parties have to be able to do it.
We've actually achieved settlements, so we.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Know that we can do it.

Speaker 11 (30:18):
We just need the unions to see it the same way.
We need to make trade offs. I've made significant trade offs.
They need to come to the party and be prepared
to make trade offs. I have not seen that yet.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Back Tuesday from six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk ZB Heather, the Dame Noles situation
has been badly handled by Netball New Zealand. It's not
tenable for her to return. She should get a good
payout and the CEO should be dismissed. Hugh, you've obviously
missed the news. I'm telling you she's getting her job back,
possibly as early as next week. We've got it from
pretty good sources, so you know, yeah, for Dame Knowles. Listen,

(30:51):
a friend of mine just sent me a message and
said it's a good day to be a New Zealander
because melatonin is now for sale on the show. Now,
I thought color be naive, but I thought the malatonin
was already for sale because this thing was announced in June.
But yeah, apparently, but there's been a stuff up and
it's now for SALESA go and get your grubby little
hands on some malatonin and have a good night's sleep tonight.

(31:12):
In fact, David sewought that Malatonin King is with us shortly,
so I'm gonna ask him about that.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Look on the Brenton Tarrant thing, I might be naive,
but I cannot understand why there is this outrage over
the decision to let him give evidence at the christ
Church Mosk attack coronial in quest. This has been so
vexed for the last wee while that it had to
go to the High Court to basically stop him giving evidence.
They have now had to overrule the Judicial Will also

(31:38):
know to the judicial review application and say yes he's
allowed to give evidence, and he will now give evidence. Now,
I don't understand why we don't want to hear from
this guy. I mean, like, there is no doubt he's
a crap version of human right, it's not a good
human being there. But surely despite that, he is the
most valuable person to hear from in order to answer

(31:59):
some of the questions that we may have, right, because
it doesn't matter how much information we stitch together, we
can't know everything, and with even asking him, we still
won't know everything, but he will be able to fill
in some blanks. I'm assuming that he wants to be
helpful here. By the way, there's no certainty about that.
I mean, who might get on the stand and just
be a dick, which is you know, a very strong possibility.

(32:19):
But I mean, for example, I want to know how
he got to have a gun license when he is,
you know, posting all this stuff online that should have
disqualified him immediately. How did he not get vetted? Maybe
he can answer some questions about that. How is it
that he went completely undetected by our security services when
he's posting all this stuff online? How did that happen?
I mean, surely he'll be able to fill in a

(32:40):
few blanks here.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
So I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I don't. I just don't. I am perplexed as to
why we wouldn't want to have these questions asked answered
by him anyway. John Battersby, who is a terrorism expert,
completely disagrees with me and says there's absolutely nothing valuable
we can learn from him. We're going to have a
chat to him after six o'clock. This is John Battersby.
Stay tuned for that. But next up, David Seymour on

(33:03):
in New Zealand's brand new CEO out with the B
and Bowl. Within what one week of being in the job,
news talks it be questions your life have kissed ill anyway?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather duper.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Cland drive with One New Zealand to coverage like no
one else news talks it be that afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
A state of emergency is in place with Canterbury, Cluther
and Southland after devastating winds ripped through the South Island.
The towns sometimes are running out of water. Thousands of homes,
businesses and critical facilities remain without power, and around two
hundred dairy farms can't milk their cows because of the
power outages. South and Mayor Rob Scott is with us. Now, Hi, Rob, good,

(34:03):
how are you very well? Thank you? What's the power
situation at the moment.

Speaker 12 (34:07):
Yeah, it's it's still out. It's slightly improved from a
few hours ago, but on the whole across our big
district and region, it's still not that pretty.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Have you been given any indication as to when the
power will be on.

Speaker 12 (34:24):
We're in a briefing at the moment with power Net
sort of working through. Just to give you a bit
of scale, like the southern districts thirty thousand square kilometers,
so you can imagine the spread of power lines across that.
So they've been up in the air today assessing the damage.
That was the force of that storm that head yesterday

(34:45):
was actually bigger than socclin and Gabrielle, so give you
a bit of an idea of the size and the
scale of what we had. So it has done a
fair bit of damage, but they're out and about getting
it done as soon as possible. I'd love to have
the answer. A lot of the community would love to
have that answer as well. But yeah, it's not going
to be a fast and I think there'll be another
night without power for a lot of our communities.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Jamie McKay, who hosts The Country, reckons he's never seen
anything like it of you.

Speaker 12 (35:11):
No, No, definitely not that. That wind yesterday was incredible.
I've never felt anything like that.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
What's the situation with water?

Speaker 13 (35:20):
So water?

Speaker 12 (35:23):
Obviously, our water treatment plants need power to operate, and
because of the size of our district, we've got a
number of plants and they're not connected to each other,
so they're all kind of independent, and without the electricity,
we're having some issues with them running. So we are
and we've got three towns at the moment that are struggling.
One of them we're even struggling to get a generated

(35:45):
at work because when the electricity went out, it blew
out some of the circuitry in the plants, so we're
getting water tankers out to those towns to supply water
to the population, and with the other ones, we're working
as fast as we can to keep them going and
to get the ones that are running up and running out.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Rob, you guys have got some bad weather coming next week.
Are you going to be able to get everything okay
before then?

Speaker 12 (36:06):
I hope so, yeah, I really hope we can. But
obviously it's a bit of a game of hurry up
and wait at the moment to get that information about
the power, and that's that kind of foundation piece that
we need to be able to get everything else, including
South phone connections. We've been I live in the middle
of the South and driving into the cargo this morning,
i'd know south phone reception at all or power across

(36:28):
any of the towns coming in for an hour's drive,
So that the Comm's piece is quite important to be
able to get out to our communities and talk to
people as well.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Listen, Rob, thanks for your time. Get back into that
briefing and see what you can find out this Rob
Scott's South lad Mayor.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Heather do for see Allen so In, New Zealand's new.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Chief executive Nicol Ravishank is only five days into the
job and already he's asking for a handout, for a
handout for them from the government for regional roots. Here
he is on Radio New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (36:52):
If I can share it as an opinion, I think
there is a need for certain routes to have some
form of a subsidy, sort of starting to refer to
it as a sort of situational subsidy.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Now, the situational subsidy would only operate when demand is
low because the economy isn't doing so well. Deputy Prime
Minister and act Party leader David Seymore's with us.

Speaker 12 (37:10):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
David, Hey, Heather, you into this idea.

Speaker 14 (37:14):
No, you know, the government would have to consider this
very very carefully, as James Mega, the Associate Transport Minister,
is said, but it's one of those things that just
raises more questions than it answers. So when the economy
is not doing well, how well does they have to
be doing, How much does the subsidy have to bring

(37:36):
the fares down? How frequent do the roots have to be?
All those questions end up being answered by politicians, and
then you don't have a chief executive running an airline anymore.
You have politicians running an airline because they're making the
pricing and scheduling decisions. And we've been down that track
in New Zealand was a complete disaster when it was

(37:58):
run by politicians. We don't want to go.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Back to it.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I suspect he's doing this because he knows he's going
to have to shut some roots down shortly, and he
would rather that you copped the blame for saying no
to the subsidy, then he copped the blame for shutting
down the roots.

Speaker 14 (38:11):
What do you think, Well, you could speculate that I
was talking to his predecessor a while back. I said, mate,
I got to thank you. He said why, and I said, well,
the thing is, I would have missed three flights last
week if only they are on time. But actually I
was absolutely fine. And my advice would be, look, you know,

(38:31):
start taking off and landing at the time that you advertise.
Work on all your basics of running a business rather
than getting into politics, because I don't think politicians trying
to run business is a very good idea. You look
at most of these politicians never made a dollar of
their own money and their life. Why on earth would

(38:51):
you give them yours to invest? And I also don't
like the idea of business people trying to be politicians,
because often they do it for the private interest of
their company rather than the wider public interest.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Listen, what's this business with malatonin? I've been told that
malatonin has been only been allowed for over fifty five
year olds until recently.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 14 (39:13):
We legalized it, which was the right thing to do.
It's one of those little changes you can make that
makes last a little bit more enjoyable for no cost.
And yet Medsafe initially said, look, you know this is
only valid if you're over fifty five. I said, that's
just completely ridiculous. Medsafe themselves have told us that the

(39:35):
danger and side effects of malatonin are comparable to panadole,
which you can give to very small children and buy
it a supermarket. So you know, we said, go back
and sharpen your pencils. I didn't actually realize that they
had already made the change. I knew they were about to.
If they have and it's being sold and anyone over
eighteen can get malatonin for jet lag and insomnia, then

(39:57):
happy days, Happy Labor weekend for all those who celebrate.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Finally we can we can get our hands on it. David,
thanks very much, David. Seeing more deply Prime Minister's and
that nuts. You can get a politician to change, you
can vote the politician and get them to do what
they say they're going to do, and there'll be some
bureaucrat and Wellington who just stuffs around with it. Eight
And in this case it's med safe over fifty five's
for God's sake, fourteen past.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Five together dupless for the USO.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Right on Brenton Tarrant. Questions around how he got a
license for a firearm and why he wasn't investigated when
the shooting club rang the police suggesting he was a
bit dodgy need to be answered. That's remark. Hither, I
completely agree with John Battersby, not with you. We don't
need to hear anything from the shooter. He needs to
rotten hell anyway. John Battersby is with us. After six o'clock,
listen to Cardadet has had its funding slash. This is

(40:42):
the last Tedel Maori TV news bulletin that's still on air.
It's on TV and Z you'll know it's on TV's
has been there for the longest time. It had a
budget of two point seven seven millions, just been cut
down to one million for next year fourteen past So, Heather,
what I'm led to understand is that we can get
malatonin today and we can sleep through our long weekend.
That's right, Simon. Look just be honest. How many months

(41:03):
have you worked? You've worked nine months at least, maybe
even ten if you've been going since, you know day one.
You're tired. It's almost eleven months. You're tired. Deserve asleep.
Haven't slept through the night forever? Go get yourself some
mallotone and have a nice long weekend. Steve Corricker, the
Auckland FC coach, is going to be with us in
about twenty minutes time. Talk us through the kickoff of
the season this weekend. It's eighteen past five now. McDonald's

(41:27):
is coming to Wanaca for around two had its resource
consent application rejected earlier this year, but it's trying again,
lodged another application to open a site. Quentin Smith is
a counselor for WONCA and with us now high Quentin.

Speaker 15 (41:39):
Get here. You're going there very.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Well, thank you. Now this is going to be in
a different location. It's a more industrial part of town.
So are you okay with it?

Speaker 15 (41:47):
Well, look, it's been an interesting journey for Wonica. I mean,
the primary issue with the previous location was its location
in a rural area and outside of a commercial precinct.
New location is in what they call three Parks, which
is a mixed businesses and commercial residential sort of environment.

(42:10):
In the zone is a mixed business use zone they're
proposing to sit in. So yeah, it's more suitable for
that type of accident.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Now they're probably going to get permission, aren't they, because
the public aren't going to be notified.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Are they.

Speaker 15 (42:24):
Yeah, Well, that is the big difference here is that,
like I said, because it was previously in a rural
zone and not didn't have any commercial provision that was
publicly notified and obviously received a lot of attention from
the community. This one is largely complies with the district
plan and I've had a look at the application. There's
only one aspect of noncompliance really, and that has to

(42:46):
do with noise late at nights and an adjoining high
density residential area. So yeah, it's unlikely this will be
publicly notified. It's yet to be determined, but it's unlikely
to be notified, unlikely that the public will get submissioned.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, Now, I mean being an industrial part of town
probably solves some of the issues, but it doesn't solve
the issue of the rubbish lying around which people have
complained about, or you know, people getting fat which people
have complained about. So do you think those people are
going to be okay about it now?

Speaker 15 (43:20):
Well, look, I think there's been a strong resistance in
Monica for the reasons you've mentioned. There's both the health
side of it and the rubbish. And I look at
fair I think that McDonald's does have a strong history
of producing far more litter than many other other businesses.
So I understand that concern. As I said, I just

(43:43):
don't know whether the public will get a formal say
in this, but there will be some resistance, there's no question.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, all right, Quentin, thanks very much, Quentin Smith, Queenstown's
Deputy mayor and the Council of for Warnaka, we're going
to come back to this. We need to have a
little chat about this and just to take however, let
me just get you across what's happened with Liam Lawson.
So Liam Lawson and Yuki Sonoda have had a press
conference together and it's been kind of awkward. At some points,
they wouldn't make any eye contact with each other, and

(44:10):
this is because of all the complaining that Sunoda has
been doing to the media lie about Liam Lawson. So
if you don't remember this, this was after the US
Grand Prix where Sunoda twice accused Lawson of intentionally slowing
him down or impeding him during practice and qualifying. So
they were asked about it. This is what Yuki opened
up by saying, I don't think we have spoken in
person then Liam, Butson, I don't really know what happened

(44:33):
in Austin, to be honest.

Speaker 16 (44:35):
And then Yuki says this, I ablidg it to the team,
to the guy what I said in especial media.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It was very unnecessary, and they just don't look at
each other at all. It's really awkward and weird. My
theory on it is is that Yuki Sonoda knows that
he's going to get dropped and so he's being a
bit bratty. That's what's going on. And they haven't really
made up at all because they don't have to anymore anyway.
We'll talk to the sports title about it when they
were us shortly five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Hard questions, strong opinion, pay the duplic ellen drive with
one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
They'd be uh hither the melatonin has been licensed to
eighteen year old Oh my gosh, I'm going to die,
but the current packaging only license to over fifty five
year old. So yes, it's approoved, but unable to be
sold without a prescription currently med safe. What are you
doing to us? This is from Scott Yeah, so any
that's the weirdest thing, isn't it that you think you

(45:27):
can only get your hands on They think you can
only take malatonin if you're over fifty five. What magically
happens on your fifty fifth birthday to make you suddenly
okay to withstand the power of melatonin anyway? Five twenty
four Listen, Can I suggest to Wanica that it may
just want to give up and accept that McDonald's is
coming to town, because clearly the Golden Arches are not
going to be put off, right They've been put off
by one rejection. They're just trying again, and who knows

(45:49):
if they get rejected from the new site. Maybe they're
just going to try again and again and again until
they finally give in and or they finally get what
they're after, And why wouldn't they? I mean, think about
the business proposition here right There is a population in
Wonaca of somewhere between eight and eighteen thousand depending on
which estimation you use, who don't have a McDonald's within
seventy k's of them. And that's not even taking into

(46:11):
account the winter tourists who absolutely will want the mackids.
So of course they can gonna try again. McDonald set
up in Wanica. They have every reason, every dollar to
keep trying for This is not to say I'm unsympathetic
to how Wanaka feels about losing its cute little boutique vibe,
because I think the same thing is happening to the
part of town where I live. When I was back
at university, Ponsonby Road was a road of boutiques and

(46:34):
designers and cool places to eat. Now, Zambezi's been replaced
by a global active wear brand. Kate Sylvesta has been
replaced by Assembly label. There's a Dick Juba outlet, a
subway and a ben and Jerry's on Ponsonby Road. I
don't love it. I prefer the weird little one off
eateies to the subway any day of the week. But
this is how life works. Successful brands will replace less successful, quirky,

(46:59):
little one off places. They will pop up anywhere where
there is a collection of people with money. McDonald's is
one of the most successful food brands in the world.
It is nearby Ponsonby Road. Already it will come to Waraca. Absolutely.
Waraca can't protect its cute vibe forever.

Speaker 13 (47:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
They may defeat McDonald's if they try hard enough, but
after that there will be a pizza hut. And after that,
who knows what's gonna come. I say to Waranaica, just
accept reality. McDonald's is coming to town.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Together.

Speaker 17 (47:26):
Do for sea.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Allen looks to.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Me like the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Donald Trump
has gotten a new time cover. So remember how he
complained about the last time Coveys that are they disappeared
my hair? I don't like it was to be fair
to him, it was a below shot. Nobody looks good
from a blow shot, and he has In this particular
below shot he had tied his tie, so he gave
himself quite a pronounced turkey neck. Anyway, this time it's
much more flattering to him. He's sitting at the desk

(47:50):
in the Oval office. He's got his elbows on the desk,
he's got his hands under his chin, he's staring down
the barrel of the camera, and he will be happy
because this time his hair has not been disappeared. I've
got to ask it, Laura, have you done the cut?

Speaker 4 (48:01):
You got it?

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Where is it?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Why is it?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Laura's telling me, cause I'm getting a lot of texts
from people who, now, you'll have to I can't see it. Oh, okay, No,
I don't know. I'm getting a lot of texts from people, Okay,
hang on, Okay, Laura's got a solutions. I'm getting a
lot of texts from people who say David was throwing
some shay Chris lux and here it is. Oh, you
want me to play it? Okay, hold on, I'll do it.

Speaker 14 (48:24):
I also don't like the idea of business people trying
to be politicians, because often they do it for the
private interest of their company rather than the wider public interest.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
M possible possible. It's within David's character to do something
like that also, what a kind of a numpty am
eye that I don't even know how to do this
stuff anymore, and you want me to play it? Okay? Anyway,
talk about Auckland. We've seen next.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
It's hella duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Heather, are you sure it's pronounced dick tuber? I thought
the jay was silent. I have no idea, do you
as do you not? No, no, no one, No one knows,
no one knows. It's one of those.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Dick.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I think dick Tuba sounds cooler personally, because of course
I'm going to say that we've said it on on
the radio, and I was going to say national radio.
But I wouldn't want you for one second to think
that is what you were listening to and try to
switch over to news talk ZB. You are listening to
a national radio station, which is not national radio. Anyway.

(49:40):
Here's a theory on on Yuki Sonoda, Heather, if he
was going to be dropped, there would be no need
for him to apologize for what he said, and that
is a fair point actually, so we'll get the sports
title to sort this out for us. In just a
a minute. It's twenty four away from six. Now let's
talk about Auckland football because they are kicking off the
first home match of the season tomorrow. The club is
playing the Western Sydney Warre Wondrous and Steve Coriker is

(50:02):
the coach. Hi, Steve, now, I'm very well, thank you.
How are you feeling about your chances of replicating last
year's dream season?

Speaker 16 (50:12):
Yeah, it was an amazing season last last year. You know,
we didn't make the finals, so obviously there's there's something
that we can improve on there. But excited this first
home game of the season. I know it's a long
weekend and then all the keiwi's go away on these weekends,
but I'm sure we're going to have a good crowd
and good support in our first home game. And they're

(50:32):
a very good team, the Wanderers, and yeah, we're looking
forward to it.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
How are the ticket sales going, because last I heard
it was a little bit of a bummer.

Speaker 6 (50:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (50:41):
I think Nick was saying around fifteen or sixteen thousand,
which is still a very good crowd, especially like obviously
with everyone going away on this weekend, so yeah, the
port's going to be in force as they were last year.
They're growing all the time, our membership's growing, so yeah,
obviously looking forward to that matchup against the Wanderers.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Did this happen last year because it feels to me
like this is a particularly key we thing to do,
Like at the start of a sea, We don't fizz
for the start of a season. It sort of arrives
before we're ready, and then as it goes on we
get more and more excited and start turning up.

Speaker 16 (51:16):
Well, it was our first year last year, so I
think the first game it might have been different timing
as well. I think it might have been a week earlier.
We played at home, so there was a big crowd
in that game, and it just seemed to grow and grow.
Obviously the Derby was a couple of games after that.
We went six games unbeaten, so it just kept, you know,
snowballing and like to do much the same this year,

(51:40):
but obviously it's going to be a little bit different.
I think teams obviously know what we're about this year
and and how good we really are, and yeah, they
know where their premier is and you know, obviously play
play well against us. So it was a tough game
last week against Melbourne victory matchup of the semi final
that we did last year, and obviously a draw not

(52:00):
not too bad away from home. But you know, when
we're at home against the Wanderers, which I think will
be a top four team, they you know, we'd like
to get three points.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Hey, I'm fascinated in the head game that you guys
have to go through after last season is what happened
last season? Does that give you confidence or does that
add pressure to repeat?

Speaker 16 (52:21):
I think it gives the boys confidence because they know
that they can do it and they can match the
best teams in Australia, So that's that's great, But it
does come with expectation as well, and not only from
the players, but you know the fans as well. You know,
they expect us to do exactly the same as last year,
if not better, which is obviously the plan for us

(52:41):
this year. We want to you know, we want to
actually get into the final and win it. If they
can do the double, that would be amazing in our
second year. But it's going to take a lot of
hard work and a lot of sacrifice from these players
and you know obviously you need to have a little
bit of luck along the way as well. But yep,
we'll we'll give it a crack, but yeah, definitely expectation.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
By the way, congrats on being late named Coach of
the twenty four to twenty five season.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
It's pretty cool, thank you.

Speaker 16 (53:08):
Yeah, yeah ye, it was actually very good, well deserved Steve.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Thanks very much, man, look after yourself and good luck tomorrow.
That's Steve Carriker, the coach of Auckland FC. It's twenty
one away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
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Speaker 2 (53:23):
A kind.

Speaker 18 (53:29):
And it's again Australia with a convincing win to back
up their seventeen goal advantage from the first Test.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
It could be around one, could be round ten, but
one way or another, I find a way to get
a faby orderly knockout.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I don't think we have spoken in person.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
I don't really know what happened in Austin.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
To be honest, I.

Speaker 16 (53:49):
Brought it to the team to the gar What I
said in special media was very unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
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How are you too.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Even you hear the orders?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Matt?

Speaker 10 (54:04):
What is it with us?

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Why don't we turn up at the start of a season?

Speaker 8 (54:09):
Well, yeah, I think sixteen thousand label weekend. You know,
a lot of people head out of Auckland. There's still
a decent crowd and there'll be a walk up on
the day if the weather's fine. I'm going, so there's
me and my son going.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
So that's to look like.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
I do think last year they looked they it was
the thirsty of the game. I think they pretty much
sold it out, didn't they. And it was a week earlier,
as Steve just said this, So I think they could
partakefully potentially push upwards closer to twenty. But they're going
to get good crowds, but it will depend on a
lot of It will depend on how they go. If
they if they win the last year, then the crowd

(54:43):
will keep coming back because it's a great experience. The
game day experience is really good and Awkan I see.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, it's probably wiser than orders at the moment, given
given what happened last night to the cricket to wait
to see what happens with the weather.

Speaker 15 (54:56):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 13 (54:56):
They take some lessons and science the lessons out of
that one together, I think. But look, it's another that
I mean, there's such a brilliant force promotionally the the
FC out and so far and I'm looking forward to
these rivalries Phoenix again of course of the season. It's
it's really and it's just to build something that doesn't
it for in great for football in this country and

(55:18):
it continues to get a foothold.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Orders Have we made a mistake with the cricket in October?

Speaker 6 (55:26):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (55:26):
I think so.

Speaker 13 (55:26):
But there he said on cricket, I pretty much painted
into a corner, aren't they. I mean in this regard,
I mean scheduling stuff in October it's just a risky business.
And he said it's a bit like doing in April
and England or something like that, an international series.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
He asked.

Speaker 13 (55:40):
The trouble just the financial burden that comes with setting
up the games. It's probably a poor advertise into the game.

Speaker 15 (55:46):
It stopped start.

Speaker 13 (55:47):
But I think it's the fact that you know, February
March is now out, you know, ex season it's been
out in other seasons as well with other touring sides,
but also the T twenty World Cup schedule for the end, right,
and they're not going to go into the Indian Premier
League season to build these tournaments. So I think that
you're cricket just have to find space where they can
and unfortunately they've topped the weather with it.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I feel
about this, Matt, because if you I mean, yay, you've
got England here, but how many of the games have
been rained off?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Well exactly?

Speaker 8 (56:18):
You know there's something like seven thousand maybe at eden
parkner and I think of twenty twenty when they do
generally play at eden Park. Of it is in the
middle of summer, you know, you can get twenty five
thousand plus to international cricket. Look that the domestic season
only starts this week end and that sums it up
for me. The fifty over season and Ford trade is
only starting this weekend.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Sorry, And it's just.

Speaker 8 (56:39):
A shame because over the summer. I don't I'm not
sure orders are correct.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
We've I'm wrong, but I don't.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
Think there is any sort of s matches one day
as twenty twenties in that sort of traditional Christmas holiday
period when people are off work. There's no International cricket,
which is a real shame, but we are dictated to
by the ICC and the ter schedules these days.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
All Are you hearing any goss about why Jason Holland left?
Is it just because because they didn't rate him?

Speaker 6 (57:05):
No?

Speaker 13 (57:05):
I think it's from what I'm hearing. I wondered when
the news before it broke, we sort of was working
for the heroine a z B. I wonder if he's
going to set up with his bags at the hotel
and they're going to say, sorry, Jason, you're not coming
to the Northern Tour. But it seems to relatively amicable.
I mean, he's come to the end of that contract.
They didn't want to renew it. It's a pretty pretty

(57:26):
taxing time next year, with what seventeen games in total,
the South African Tour built into it, World Cup after that,
you've got to have to be committed. You know, some
questions as well over the counter attacking capacity in general
attack of the All Blacks. But it's not a particularly
good sign and probably shows the toughness of the international gig.
But that two of Robertson's original team gone in this

(57:48):
first cycle to him first World Cup cycle.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, listen, correct, well you go,
you go.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Matt.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
So, I was going to say the fact that he's
staying on for the NDA too, it would suggest he's
not too much bad blood, but here that I never
rated him. I think tax being dreadful in the last
two years, and he's been the attack coach.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
So you know, I'm glad he's moving on.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Harsh words from you.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
You're not normally.

Speaker 13 (58:10):
Where did your back bring?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Jeez said it like it is, Hey, guys, take a break,
come back. Shortly caught it too.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
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Speaker 3 (58:24):
Right, you're back with Andrew Ordison and Matt Brown. Now order.
As I said earlier in the show, I'd heard from
three very good sources that Dame Knowles is coming back,
maybe maybe being announced as early as next week. If
you were Dame Knowles, though, would you want to come back?

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (58:40):
I think you do.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (58:41):
Miss obviously built a plan around working towards the next
World Cup, working towards the Conworth game, she's an ambition
the course of her successful coaching career, and you know,
all that planning, all that ambition, you think she want
to get back in sort of. The other question would
be with a net when New Zealand can afford to
let go. I mean, you'd have to pay her out
when you contrary to me, and given the difficulties I've

(59:03):
had with a broadcast deal, et cetera, I wonder you
know it's going to have to be almost like a
Fousty impact or something.

Speaker 15 (59:10):
Of that nature.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, well, exactly, because here's the question, Matt, because there
is a rumor going around and I phrase it, I
frame it as a rumor because you know, that's all
it is, that there is another job offer available to
her that takes her out of the netblorn New Zealand
camp all together. Wouldn't you take that? Wouldn't you get
your name come back, get your new name cleared, and
then just quit at the first available opportunity and go
and work somewhere where you can be happy.

Speaker 8 (59:31):
I'm not so sure, because I think and it wouldn't
surprised me if there's another offer. By the way, because
she is held in high esteem international, you know, I
think she's also pretty determined, and she would not so
much prove a point, but she did have, as Elders said,
you know, she would have had a plan through to
the next World cupcom games. And I think I think
there might be some unfinished business for her if she is,

(59:53):
in fact, you know, reinstated, as I think a lot
of people, a lot of neutrals certainly, and probably a
lot of people close to the game too, thing as
she should be and if she is, but it will
make it very uncomfortable potentially for you know, some players
within that camp, because clearly there has been some dissatisfaction.
But the one thing I heard, you know, when I
heard Grace Grace Nuiki come out and sort of say
that that she you know, really felt for her and

(01:00:15):
was you know, supportive of her. I get the feeling
there will be a fear few players in that squad,
particularly with the way they're performing at the moment, who
might welcome her back with open arms.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah. Maybe, so, Hey, orders, how awkward was that press
conference with Liam Lawson.

Speaker 13 (01:00:30):
It's a pretty intense part of the season, isn't it,
So you and Liam Lawson, But you know, I understand that,
I mean there's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Man.

Speaker 13 (01:00:39):
Is they both trying to get the seats?

Speaker 17 (01:00:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:00:48):
Time or.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
In the isn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I mean when we say out in Mongolia, it could
literally just be Southland at the moment, we're not entirely sure.
We're going to figure out. Have you ever have you
ever hated someone or had like such an awkward time
with someone at work you couldn't even make eye contact
with them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
A weakened him for long enough? No, not at all,
not not, not really not not.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
You have a professional environment. But I think I think
that the stakes are simply so high. You know, let's
face it, Sonoda a place Laws and at Red Bull
and early and very early in the season, he hasn't performed.
He is under so much pressure Laws and still under
pressure to gain a seat for next year. That's how
cutthroat it is. And the and there's a lot of
talk that these two are really could be effectively competing

(01:01:37):
for just one spot. So it was always going to
be I think like this and you know, very awkward.
As you said, you know, the at the media conference.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Today orders, are you back with us?

Speaker 13 (01:01:47):
I'm back, Yeah, I've been taken out of I've been
taken out on the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yeah, where are you, by the way, are you just
in Auckland?

Speaker 13 (01:01:54):
Yeah, I'm just I'm just here where I normally sit
for these chats.

Speaker 15 (01:01:57):
So you know, tell me birthday theory.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You haven't even moved. It's just like the seal has
moved around you.

Speaker 15 (01:02:05):
Yeah, that's that's things.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
How.

Speaker 15 (01:02:06):
Let's how things that we went to me either.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Okay, listen, I've got something for you guys. Okay, Matt,
listen to this. Here's a theory. Martinu has just played
his hundredth mash for too long. He has also played
one hundred matches for the Hurricanes and one hundred matches
for the All Blacks. Is he the greatest rugby player
of all time?

Speaker 8 (01:02:23):
No, he's not the greatest player of all time, but
he's certainly one of the longest lasting. And and look,
he's phenomenal. He's a phenomenal player in his prime. But yeah,
absolutely a phenomenal athlete. And that's remarkable. He must be
just about my age, I would imagine, which is what.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
I don't know. I'm not going to say over nation
the biggest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Become so touchy about their age.

Speaker 17 (01:02:48):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Is he of the fifties and forty. I'm suggesting he
probably is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Now you're not telling me he's over forty?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Is he?

Speaker 15 (01:02:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Well over forty and he's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Still playing rugby at this I mean that, like orders,
that's a life goal, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I mean hopefully he's all right and hopefully he
has there too many head knocks or anything like that nature,
but amazing. I mean that longevity is extraordinary. As Mets is,
I'm not sure if he's the great, he's probably the
greatest midfield. They're all right up there and just so robust,
so abrasive, and the fact that too longs will rate
him and one of them on that side. I've even
been playing him in the Lucy's apparently just to keep
him in the mix. Is outstanding. He is clearly coveted.

Speaker 8 (01:03:26):
Forty three.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Here you go, Matt forty three, Matts forty three. Jeez,
how good has that? Guys? Listen, great to talk to you.
Enjoy your week in the sporting your long weekend as well.
That's Andrew Orderson and Matt Brown our sports tittle this evening.
Oh is there a sports that I need to tell
you about next?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I think I might. It might have been the nevermind. Look,
it's a long weekend. Now my name my never of mine.
You know what I'm going to talk to you about next.
Don't turn it off. It's the strikes. It's important.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Hang on, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
No, I'm not gonna tell you I was going to
tell you about the strikes. I'm not going to tell
you about the strikes at the minute. I'm going to
tell you about the strikes later on. I need to
tell you about Tom Phillips. Before I get to Tom Phillips,
can I just say, okay, So even Apropos the German
just declining on everybody's behalf in this team to go
on the pirate ship at Rainbow's end at eight this morning,
even her mortgage advisor has now text her and been

(01:04:25):
like bad, bad call. But I don't think she understands.
I don't think she's not in the New Zealand Psyche
about Rainbow's end, which where anyway, she wants me to
update you to let you know that she has now
she is maya culprit. She has written to Rainbow's end
and asked if she could please get us on another
ride on the pirate ship at some other stage. So

(01:04:47):
there will be some full grown adults on that pirate
ship at some stage, and they will belong to the
team here at Newstalk ZB Drive, and it, yeah, is
probably gonna include me for Laura. Thank you Laura for
fixing the thing that you broke before. Do you know
what Laura once did? This is because Laura does this
stuff where she just thinks that she could just make
unilateral decisions. One time, somebody sent me a packet of

(01:05:07):
chips and I wasn't here for the day and she
opened the box. It said hither duplasy allen on it
years ago. It was like about five years ago. I'm
not gonna lie, no, maybe even six. She opened it's
my name on the box, and she opened the box up,
and she opened the chips up and she ate the chips,
my chips. There were about six packets of chips and

(01:05:29):
she and the newsroom ate all of the chips and
I had none. That's rue da whatever. Anyway, listen, Tom Phillips.
So the police have put out more photos of Tom
Phillips today the camp sites right, and they've found, because
what they've done is they've found a couple of bigger
camp sites that would have been the primary camp sites
that the family were using. They're a bit better than
the crappy one that the copp has found the first time.

(01:05:51):
One is north of Mardakupper one is to the east,
partially buried, semi permanent. Anyway, what I think is interesting
is in the press release that the police put out
saying look at these are the big campsites, they then
say approaching Phillips in such circumstances would have been extremely dangerous.
Now I looked at that and I thought, oh, that's
what this is about. So what's going on? Just be

(01:06:13):
aware of this, right, the cops are clearly worried that
we are judging them harshly for leaving those kids out
there with Tom Phillips for that long when they knew
the police knew what danger he was putting those children in.
And so what they're trying to do at the moment
is to convince us that actually they couldn't have got
them out any earlier because it would have been too dangerous.
This is what all of this is about, is just

(01:06:34):
reinforcing that message. So just bear that in mind that
this is not just neutral updating you. It is to
try and influence how you see this anyway. John Battersby
on Brenton Tarrant.

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Evening coming up in the next hour with Japan's first
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that shortly. Barry Sober will rap the political week that was,
and Gavin Grave will tell us all of the drama
of the royal family out of the UK seven past six. Now,
there is controversy back home about the High Court decision
to allow the March fifteen terrorist, Brenton Tarrant, to give

(01:07:30):
evidence directly to the coronial inquiry. Victims are slamming this decision.
Massy University counter terrorism specialist John Battersby is with us evening.

Speaker 17 (01:07:39):
John Good Evening, how are you do you think there?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I'm well thank you. Do you think there's any value
in hearing from him?

Speaker 17 (01:07:45):
No, I don't. I've questioned the value of the Coronial
inquiry fool's top to be honest. It has been the
subject of a mess of police investigation with head a
Royal commission with five or sixty is down the track now.
I don't think there's anything that the coronial Inquiry can
tell us that we don't already know or hasn't been
pretty slowly investigated. So no, I don't think this Cannady.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Thing, Okay, is there any value? Is he has he
participated with the Royal Commission or the police investigation.

Speaker 17 (01:08:16):
The police would have spoken to him, and I understand
that the Royal Commission did also, and they secured his testimony.
They weren't going to release that to the public. So
he has been spoken to and he has provided evidence
to both of those inquiries because we haven't seen it,
and I don't think either either the police or the

(01:08:37):
Royal Commissioner ever said how value they their founding evidences,
and not quite sure really what contribution they had to
the final outcome. The final outcome was tragic and pretty stark,
and I'm not sure his explanation, whether it was honest
or not, is going to help us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Yeah, I mean I take your point that this is
ground that's already been traversed. The thing is that the
coroner is traversing it again. So if the coroner is
traversing it again, is there no value in understanding from
his perspective, things like how he managed to retain a
firearms a firearms license when he clearly shouldn't have, how
he managed to evade security services when he should probably

(01:09:16):
have been picked up by them.

Speaker 17 (01:09:18):
I don't know that I would agree that he evaded
security services when he should have been picked up by him.
If somebody like him presented themselves now, it would still
be very very touch and go As to wars, I'd
find them. He had no criminal history, there were no flags,
The Australians didn't know about him, So no somebody like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
About the online presence though, yeah, we'll see the online
stuff has been detected after researchers know what they're looking for.

Speaker 17 (01:09:45):
So there is a great deal of online stuff on
the online content that is extremist, that is teening towards violence,
and there's a lot of people contributing to it. The
difficulty is finding the individuals who are here and the
ones that are merely kind of exhibiting this kind of

(01:10:06):
extremist content, who are actually then going to go on
and do something small.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Johnny, you have the view that if somebody was to
do what he did and post the kind of stuff
that he was posting all over again, chances are we
wouldn't know that it wouldn't raise any red flags.

Speaker 17 (01:10:23):
I don't know that I would say that. I think
the security and intelligence and police are all highly aware
of the type of risk that someone might compose us
and looking, they are looking. But I think what I
would say is, we just can't guarantee that they will
detect them. I mean, there are much greater resourced security

(01:10:46):
and intelligence agencies in a number of other countries that
have missed people. So yeah, look, we just can't guarantee
they will find them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Listen, what do they do though, with having him present evidence?
What do they do to avoid him using it as
a platform to you know, spread his wacky ideas.

Speaker 17 (01:11:04):
Yes, that's the risk, that's the risk. So it could
be that he provides insight that he's openly honest about
why he did it, and it does provide some valuable insight.
So maybe. But on the other hand, Yeah, that's exactly
the risk that presents itself. He didn't take it when
he pleaded guilty. He didn't take it at sent it
thing when he was off with you to say something.

(01:11:24):
He may take it here. That's the risk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Interesting. Hey, thanks very much, John, Always good to talk
to you. John Battersby, Senior fellow at Massive University Center
for Defense and Security Studies PowerNet. We spoke to Rob Scott,
the Southland mayor, about an hour ago. He said he
was in a power Neet briefing to find out what's
going on with the power down south because it's out
across much of the lower South Island. PowerNet is warning people.

(01:11:47):
By the way, twenty five thousand people don't have power
in the Deep South. POWERNETT is warning thousands of people
in Southland and South Otago that they may be without
power until this time next week after. What's imagine that?
Imagine being without power this long would be Yeah, a
difficult thing to handle here that anyone with half a

(01:12:08):
brain knows, the more you move, the more likely you
are to be seen. This is really Tom Phillips. The
police should just shut their mouths. It's beginning to sound
like justification. May I tell you what it sounded like
justification to mean to a long time ago? Interesting? Just
on that now, I have been aware of that the
suppression orders in the Tom Phillips case of just being
published by the Herald this afternoon. Now, I was under

(01:12:28):
the impression that we weren't able to share the suppression
orders with you. But if the Heralds shared them, then
let's go hel for leather and get you across this.
I've been dying to tell you this. Judge Collins, who
I believe is involved in the family Court, has ruled
that no one is allowed to publish any film or
book or documentary that refers to the children. Now you

(01:12:51):
think about what that means, right? That means that must
I mean that means that as at the moment, with
the suppression order that exists at the moment, Julie Christy
cannotblish that documentary that she's been working on because you
put behind the cordon and all this stuff has been
reasonably controversial. And I, by the way, believe that the
police got Julie Christian also as an act of self justification,
to show how hard they are now working to get

(01:13:12):
the family out. But regardless, the point I'm trying to
make is as long as this suppression order stands, and
God only knows how long it stands for she can't
get that documentary out. Thirteen past six.

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six and wrapping the political week that was is Barry
so Per, senior political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, thank you, Heather.
Nice to be here again on the Maldi party. I'll
tell you what I find surprising is that these guys
appear to be falling apart, and yet it's quite quiet.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Well it's not so quiet, I think in the labor ranks.
I mean they're quite concerned, and indeed they've gone as
far to say that the Maori Party at the moment
would not be fit to be in government. Well that's
probably a bit of an understatement. Of course, there shouldn't
be anywhere near government the way they've been behaving. And
the thing that I've discovered this week and found it

(01:15:21):
quite interesting is the amount of a family that's employed
by Maori Party MPs. I mean Whitey Tear's wife was
the party's press secretary and also John Tammaheady, the president
of the party's daughter, so there's a big linkage there.
And then might Clark, the young woman who stood and

(01:15:43):
ripped up the Treaty Settlement's Bill, she's her mother's working
for her, and so too as a sister. And the
rules to me are quite unclear at Parliament as to
whether this should be the case. But I think my
reading of the rules as they shouldn't be anywhere near
the place employing staff that are so closely My.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Reading of the rules is different to yours. I think
the rules allow it because the rules explicitly ban an
MP from hiring a spouse or a partner, and then
ban an MP from hiring family members who are financially
who are dependent.

Speaker 6 (01:16:21):
So you're not dependent if you're the mother, well you're
financially dependent if you're receiving.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
A wage only only after become financially But it's a
silly rule. It's a dumb rule. All family cannot be
employed totally totally.

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
There should be no room for nepotism and politics.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
That's right. Very tell me if this is an unfair
thing to say. But have we gone a little bit
overboard in the praise for Jim Bolger this week? So
I just feel like calling him one of the greatest
prime ministers ever is maybe not historically.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
That's totally over the top. And even dom Kin to
say that, and Don gave a great eulogy, so I
take nothing away from him at the church yesterday, but
to say that he was by far the best farmer
leader that this country's ever seen as again, I mean
there will be many listeners that will remember Sir Keith Holyoake.

(01:17:19):
Now Holyoake won four terms in government, you know, I
mean he was seen, he was fairly revered as a
National Party leader. So look, Jim Boulger, I think he
was a very solid pair of hands, an extraordinarily nice
individual and one that I'd had on a number of occasions,

(01:17:41):
a few bush mills whiskies with over the years. Very
nice man. But to write him up as somebody I
read said that he was the greatest leader that this
country's seen in the past century. I mean that is
patently ridiculous. I mean, Peter fray Her has always been

(01:18:01):
credited with being the war.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
You don't even have to go that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
No, no, no, I know you don't like what I'm saying.
Is Clark historically Heather that time. You know that when
you look at the century, Peter Fraser is right up there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
But look, no, I see what you're saying. I mean,
we have got some examples that are the head and
shoulders above everybody else with the last century. That is
an absolutely fair point to make. Thank you for answering that.
Thank you, And so it wasn't a horrible thing for
me to say today, not at all. Okay, just checking
with you, madam and Davidson, though, yeah, that's it. That's embarrassing,
isn't that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Well, you know, this is.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
Well, we're told a year's work, and if that's all
she's been doing for the past year, you've got to
ask questions about what their role is in Parliament. But Nevertheless,
we were told that it was a year's work that
you'd put in on this piece of legislation. And what
did the legislation do. It was strengthening consumer rights to
have goods repaired? Now what what what does that actually mean?

(01:18:59):
Does it mean if you've got a toaster that breaks down,
then you should be able to take it down to
the local repair shop and get it repaired and it
cost you nothing. I don't know what it means.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
No, it means that if you buy a toaster, you
take it back to Noel Leming or whoever you bought
it from, and they get it repaired for you. Oh yeah,
who repairs them? Well, Noel Leaming or the retails of
the tragedy. It's a terrible idea, Mary. It's where I lived.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
When I grew up. They had a repair man that
used to work from his house. You get toasters and
dryers and whatever. Nowadays I just thrown it, Lolwadays you
buffer away and the built and obsolescence of items really
does get on stick under my crawl really, But you know,
I mean, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Very quickly? Has the BSA signed its own death warrant?

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
I think possibly?

Speaker 16 (01:19:46):
So?

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
I mean to try and bring in briefly as it was,
the freedom of speech union is patiently absurd under their guys.
And also you know, look the platform. I think they've
totally overreacted. Now we've got certainly Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister,
talking in very strong terms about doing away with the

(01:20:09):
BSA all together.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
I say hurrah to that, thanks very much. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, rapping the political week that was, geez,
I don't you know what I feel like this week
the BSA has learned just how unloved it is.

Speaker 19 (01:20:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Talks that'd be listen if you haven't caught the controversy
about the Japanese female prime minister. She hit the first
female prime minister. She has said stuff like she is
here to work, work, work, and she's going to ditch
the work life balance, and she's current and I think
her husband's going to be playing some like uber supportive
role or say anyway, it's just got people like freaking

(01:20:58):
out about it, so Peter Lewis, we'll explain it when
he's with it. Of course, if you're the Prime Minister,
you just work, work, work, and there is no work
life balance. That's how it is. Anyway, Peter Lewis will
be with us shortly to talk us through it. Right
now at six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Okay, I'm sorry, because this is the job that I
was telling you about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
It's for working for Meghan. Yeah, Meghan Sussex. Yeah, she's
looking for a new publicist. So already you're like, ah no,
and it's not for me, and for good reason, because
historically people don't last very long with her. Her latest publicist,
Emily Robinson, was her tenth publicist in five years, and
she only started in June. She's already quit. Emily joined

(01:21:39):
after joined Meghan's team after working at Netflix, and then
a friend told The Daily Mail that she's not ac
quitt so things must have been pretty horrible for her
to go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
I do wonder if Meghan has sent her some jam
as a leaving gift. Of course there will be fruit preserves.
I think we're all clear at this point that jam
is Mjam, a spokesperson for the couple, said, Missus Robinson
oversaw pro jet based work for a very successful season
of With Love Comma Meghan. She did an excellent job
and she completed these projects with great success. Now whatever,

(01:22:09):
it's just corporate speak for yeah, I don't know. It's
obviously not so worked out if you are one of
those crazy people. Though, By the way, who does care
about Meghan's jam and wine? She has hinted that she's
got something new coming next week for her as ever brand,
another twenty dollars jur of Jam. Maybe the world needs
more of it, can't wait, might have to do some
early Christmas shopping, et cetera, et cetera. So there you go.

(01:22:32):
It's everything you needed to know about them. I mean,
it is it possible to like them any less than
you already do. News is next, then Peter Lewis to
TARTI toti me some time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
To be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Stain.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
News talks at b.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
We have got out of the UK Gavin Gray with
us in ten minutes time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
I am going to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I from time to time this text comes through from
various people here and I got I've got it tonight.
Hither is Greg four and the new CEO at New
Zealand Rugby, Mike, Mike. This this rumor has been doing
the rounds for such a long time. Do you remember
when Greek four and quit. I had to ask him
the question. I was like, are you going to New
Zealand Rugby? And He's like, no, I'm not going to

(01:24:07):
New Zealand Rugby, not doing that. So unleast Greek Fouran
loves to tell FIBs, which I don't believe he's not
going to New Zealand Rugby. So it's got to be
someone else who's got that job. And god on, who
knows what job Greek Foran's got. Twenty three away from seven.
Peter Lewis Asia Business Corresponders with US, Hello Peter, Hello Heather.
All right, so she's already controversial, isn't she?

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
She?

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
She she hasn't taken long. This is Sane Takichi, Japan's
first female prime minister. We should also mention that Japan's
got its first female finance minister as well. A Satsuki
Katayama has taken over. She's certainly more to the rights
than perhaps her predecessor, mister Ishiba was. She styles herself

(01:24:52):
upon Margaret's Margaret Thatcher. She very much believes in traditional values. So,
for example, she doesn't believe that women should keep their
own names when they get married, they should take up
their husband's name. She doesn't believe in gay marriage either,
So we're going to see a very traditional sort of
administration from her. Also, she's talking already about a budget.

(01:25:16):
It's a big spending bill that could be as much
as one hundred billion dollars. That's going to come into
effect maybe next month, and that's going to be spent
on trying to sort of reform Japan and make it
more modern in terms of its industrial base. They want
to put money into things like clean energy, electric vehicles, batteries,

(01:25:38):
so on. Now, of course the problem with that is
that that's exactly what China has been doing, and they've
stolen quite a march over Japan on that. Are there
electric vehicle companies are really world leaders? You can't really
say that about Japan's electric vehicles. Also on China. She's
going to take a much more assertive stance. She wants

(01:26:00):
to really stand up for Japan and particularly increase spending
on defense, which currently is about one percent of GDP.
She wants to double that to at least two percent
of GDP. And she also wants Japan to have its
own army, so that will involve converting the National Defense
Force into a more traditional army. Of course, those things

(01:26:21):
are going to be very, very controversial, and it remains
to be seen what it's going to do in terms
of Japan's relationship with China going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Now, what is a stealth husband?

Speaker 9 (01:26:36):
A stealth husband? I haven't really heard that phrase, so
I'm not totally.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Sure because she's I mean, part of the controversy that
she stirred as well is that she said she's going
to ditch work life balance. She's just going to work, work, work,
and she's going to have a stealth husband who is
going to spend time in the kitchen, which he's happy
to do, unlike men in the West, which is just
throwing a lot of shade at men there. But yeah,
what is a stealth husband. I'm assuming it's all.

Speaker 9 (01:27:02):
Presume it means a house husband what we would call
a house husband in the West, you know, a stay
at home husband. I mean, it is true that she
doesn't have any sense of work life balance at all.
She's used that phrase several times. You know, I'm going
to work, work, work, But of course that doesn't mean
to say, in a modern country like Japan that you

(01:27:23):
both can't work and both have careers and find ways
of managing that. But she seems to think that the
husband's role is in the kitchen. So clearly her values
are not necessarily in tune with the way we would
look at things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
In the West.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
No, there's a woman of contradictions. This one now looks
like we're on the brink of a big trade deal
between the US and India. Is there's going to be
one of those ones that you call a trade deal
was a bit sucky or is it actually going to
be a fantastic one?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Well?

Speaker 9 (01:27:52):
It when these trade deals that, as Donald Trump likes
to call them, aren't trade deals. I mean, trade deals
take years, is sometimes decades in the case of India,
to go and negotiate. They go into intricate detail about
all sorts of products and sectors. What Donald Trump means
is a tariff deal. In other words, I'm going to

(01:28:13):
slap extraordinarily high tariffs on you, and then in return
for you giving me something back, I'll take those tariffs
back down to something like where they were before we started. So,
in the case of India, Donald Trump has slapped tariffs
of fifty percent on the country and he wants India
to back away from buying Russian oil. And what is

(01:28:37):
going to do is if they agree to that, is
reduce the tariffs back down to a sort of what
he thinks is a more reasonable fifteen to sixteen percent. Now,
that's still above where they were before this all started.
But nevertheless, he sees this as being a trade deal.

Speaker 19 (01:28:54):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:28:54):
Actually he may get his wish here partly because of
the slapping of sanctions on Russia's too big oil producers.
Now that really changes the narrative for India, because India
has been buying about a third of its oil that
it needs from Russia. However, if companies that deal with

(01:29:16):
India's big oil refiner and refiners are going to get
slapped with secondary sanctions, that means they could get cut
off from the Western financial system. They could lack access
to US dollar funding. That is a big, big deal
for them. And now are many big refiners who are
already talking about now rethinking where they buy their oil from.

(01:29:39):
The same is going to happen in China as well,
because the big state owned oil companies cannot afford to
be cut off from US dollar funding. And now I
know China wants to try and lessen its dependence on
the US dollar, but it certainly isn't ready to be
cut off from the Western financial system. So this is

(01:29:59):
a game change, and it will mean that India will
have to rethink its whole energy policy. But remember that
it's only been buying Russian oil since the invasion of Ukraine.
Before that, it bought very little of its oil from Russia.
It came from the OPEC countries, the Middle East and
so on. And India will have to go back to

(01:30:21):
sourcing its oil from OPEC nations.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Yeah, conundrum for it. Hey, thank you very much, Peter.
As always, we have a chat to you next week.
You'll look after yourself. Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent seventeen
away from seven. Tell you what this Maggie thatcher in
Japan got me riled just for a second when she
believed that that you're supposed to take your husband's surname.
I had a thought about this the other day when
I was at the gym. In fact, Friday today, so

(01:30:48):
yesterday might have been yester. No, it might have been
the day before yesterday. Anyway, this sometime this week, I
was sitting doing a spin class at the gym, and
I I had quite a I had an epiphany about
taking your husband's surname, which I will share with you
at a later date. So I don't think we need
this kind of intensity on a Friday, but fair to say, no,
do not do this anyway. Interesting thing about her. This

(01:31:10):
is the Japanese Prime Minister and her stealth husband. He's
very supportive, but they actually got divorced. So they divorced
in twenty seventeen because they had differences in political views,
and then they got remarried in twenty twenty one. So
I think you can kind of I don't know, but
I think people I think we don't know. What does

(01:31:30):
it say about them as characters that they get married,
get divorced, and then get remarried. It's all very Elizabeth Taylor,
isn't it. It's bit nutty Let's be honest. They probably
characters who would who you wouldn't want to get into
a fight with, you know, it'd be quite intense sized suspect. Anyway,
I have to talk to you about the strikes. I'm
going to talk to you about that shortly. Here there
is the German going to the nz are mass Now

(01:31:53):
there is a job going at the NZR and the
German is we want to Dame knowles Her. We want
to Dame knowles Her over what she did with Rainbow's end.
So you may have solved our problem. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Laura can't leave because Ryan told Laura after he was
working on the Drive show that she's one of the
smartest women he's ever worked with. What's true. She is
one of the smartest women, but also one of the
hungriest for chips. I'm never gonna forget. I will not
forget to have away from seven. Gavin Gray are UK
correspondents with our Yellow Gavin.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
So she won't thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
No, she's not thanking for me for a lot today,
but that's okay. I'm paying her back for some bad behavior. Now, listen,
this business and the by election in Wales seems like
it is actually quite serious for Labor.

Speaker 18 (01:32:51):
Yes, I think it's serious for both the main traditional parties.
So the by election was held because of the death
of a sitting MP and in effect the person that's
it won't be in seat that long because there'll be
a new batch of elections to do with Wales coming
up in just a few months time. But the result
is significant because the winner is ply Cumry might not
mean much to you, but it is the pro national

(01:33:14):
party in Wales and it seeks greater political independence from
the government in London. But more importantly than that, it
won a seat which Labor has held for decades. And
what's important is the Labor government and the Conservative opposition,
the two main parties for many decades in this country,

(01:33:34):
were absolutely trounced, and they were trounced by the Independent
Wales campaign groupled Cumbriers have said, but also by reform.
And it was interesting that many people who wanted to
had traditionally supported Labor in this seat decided to vote
for Plygumery because they didn't want Reform to get in.

(01:33:56):
In other words, there was lots of tactical voting.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Reform, of course, is the.

Speaker 18 (01:34:00):
Upstart party that is doing incredibly well in the opinion polls,
and he's led by Nigel Farahs, the architect of Brexit,
I will call him. And they are really the only
party I think cracking scene to be really cracking down
on immigration into the country, promising net zero immigration, and

(01:34:20):
that's something which is appealing to many. But in this instance,
despite throwing everything at campaign, it was the Nationalists who
have won this seat of care Philly in Wales, and
that is a big, big disappointment for Labor and Conservative
Gavin Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
With the UK Prime Minister pushing the Allies to give
the longer range missiles to Ukraine, do you feel like
Putin has overplayed his hand here.

Speaker 18 (01:34:45):
Well, I think there's huge concern that, if anything, peace
seems further away than it's ever been. He's sort of
saying that now I'm not going to freeze the fighting
lines where they are, is a suggestion he's quite happy
to keep on fighting, quite happy to keep having people
killed Ukraine and there I say it to see victims
in Russia as well. The most recent attack on a

(01:35:05):
chemical plant in Bryansk was led by British supplied storm
Shadow missiles, which are long range weapons. And what this
summit in the Coalition of the Willing as it's called,
with twenty of Ukraine allies meeting in London, are really there,
yes to surprise, to continue to provide security guarantees once

(01:35:26):
the seas far as broken. But now Zelenski, President Zelenski
of Ukraine, is pleading with the allies to give them
long range weapons. The uk has already committed to doing
that now, but others are going to be pressured into
trying to follow suit. And the fear is of course
that Russia has worn this will escalate the conflict and

(01:35:47):
bring other countries into the conflict. Indeed, America look like
they were going to give their weapons, their long range
weapons to Ukraine. That now has not happened, and President
Zelensky left America empty handed and really frustrated by what
was going on, seeing so many killed in his own
country but not being given the weapons which he believes

(01:36:10):
will be able to see him strike fear right in
the heart of Russia and may just may get Vladimir
Putin to change tag.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Yeah, Gavin, listen, thank you, look after yourself. We'll chat
to you next week. That's Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent,
listen on the strikes right. One of the points that
Allie Jones made when she was on the huddle earlier
this week was maybe even yesterday, was that she's confused
as to who's actually the bad guy here. Is that
the government as in like the Public Service Commission, or
is it the unions? Which of the two are frustrating

(01:36:39):
the process because clearly somebody is right and I think
we it's not clear. It's really hard to go because
both scides claim that they're the good guy. But I
think we might find out shortly because the ERA is
getting involved in the cases of both the major unions,
which is the PBTA secretary teachers and then also the
senior doctors. The government has written base the government side

(01:37:01):
has written to the ERA in both cases asking them
to step in, so asking for facilitated bargaining with secondary
school teachers. Now, the only reason that the ERA would
do that is because they would believe that somebody's acting
in bad faith or the bargaining is being unduly drawn
out of the strike. Strike action could harm the public
interest or whatever. If the RA steps in in this

(01:37:21):
instance as they're being requested to, that would indicate to
you the PPTA are acting in bad faith. The second
thing is on the Senior doctors. Health New Zealand has
gone to the ERA asking it to rule that the
senior doctors have been bargaining in bad faith because that's
been dragging off for fifteen months and that's rare for
the ERA to rule that. If they do, it will
force a binding deal on the doctors, and that will
also be an indication to you that the Doctors' Union

(01:37:44):
are the ones acting badly. So both sides claim that
they're the good guys here, but I think we're about
to find out which side really is the good guys,
and that will happen in the coming days or weeks.
So i'd imagine seven away from seven, it's the.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Either I suspect it's the unions. Well, I suspected it's
the unions too now listen. Earlier this week, quite controversially,
I suggested that this is becoming like a clarification section
this part. I suggested that a good idea maybe to
get your saucys because saucas British sausages are dry, and
what you want to do is you want to poach
your British sausage, and then you want to poach the water,

(01:38:24):
like you know, get rid of the water, let it
kind of disappear, and then fry it off. And Locke,
who sits next to me in the newsroom, who is
from the UK, said to me, oh, I didn't want
to know about that. Maybe I'll give it a go.
Locke tried it last night, and I'm very happy to
report to you I did not ruin Lock's dinner. Locke
is quite impressed. And did Locke say, am I making supple?

(01:38:47):
Did Lock say they were the best sausages ever? I
think I think you're right. Actually, I think they may
have said that. Yeah, yep, absolutely right, there we go.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
So yeah, well, I mean maybe I need to give
it a train sages.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Yeah, And the fact that Locke is from the UK
is well, I think is you know, I mean, it's
not like when it's not like we're not getting some
random nationality to do it right, and.

Speaker 7 (01:39:06):
And hospital experience as well. So yeah, no knows where around.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
The kitchen and better?

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
What have you got?

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
The Food Fighters asking for a Friend to play us
out tonight. This is grand spanking new from them, just
came out this week. Dave Grohl said that he had
the inspiration for the song when he was looking at
Mount Fuji in Japan.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
So there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
Yep, so brand's making new from the Food Fighters asking
for a Friend?

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Oh is this the first release of music since he
cheated on his wife?

Speaker 7 (01:39:32):
I think he's beat some since then, hasn't there?

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I don't think so.

Speaker 18 (01:39:35):
Oh this is odd.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
It's controversial now, isn't it sounds like it sounds angsty
like he's dealing with a divorce, doesn't it. Maybe that's
fight was staring at Mount Foofi. Yeah, asking for a friend. No,
you're not, Dave, You're asking for yourself the cheaterh Okay,
have a nice long weekend. See you next Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
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