Full Show Podcast: 25 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin to find the real story. Or
it's Ryan Bridge on hither Duper c Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
They'd be good afternoon, everybody at a seven a half
for four. Great to have your company. Mark Mitchell on
the show on the new crime stats today, how would
a special economic zone work for Marsden Point, We'll ask
Shane Jones. We'll look at the fast track for primary teachers.
Plus this big rugby battle brewing off the field sky
versus de zone for the rugby rights, we'll look at
that too. And if you've ever lent a family member

(00:36):
of yours money before, well did you get it back?
We've got a new finance app that might help.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
You, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So it looks like on paper, at least this is
a big win for the government's crackdown on crime. Violent
crime is down for the first time in five years.
Sure it's only two percent, but at least it's not
going up. Twenty nineteen up, twenty twenty up, two, twenty
twenty three up, up, twenty twenty four down. And over

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those five years of increase, violence went up fifty one percent.
You basically just had to walk down the street and
you'd be punched in the eye. Mark Mitchell and Paul
Goldsmith have fired off press releases quicker than a Chinese
warship and the Tasman about this. They're beating their chests
very happy, and you can see why. Serious assaults have

(01:27):
come down, injuries have reduced, ram raids down massively, total
victimizations down as well. And here's the kicker. Guess what
else has changed at the same time. The prison population
just hit its highest level since twenty eighteen. Police foot
patrols are in other words, Bobby's on the beat. That's

(01:47):
up forty percent. So it's almost like if more bad
people are in prison, they're not punching us in the streets.
I know, completely unbelievable, and who would have thought patrolling
the streets might actually prevent crime. This is, of course,
not radical stuff. It is basic stuff. And on these

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numbers the government finally has something tangible to be happy about.
But there's always a butt with stats. Retail theft up
twelve percent, people are still walking into shops with their
tope bags and taking stuff. And then there's the stats themselves.
So this survey that they're using on and relying on
Here covers a twenty four month window, so it's not

(02:31):
a crystal clear picture that we're getting. Plus the violence
numbers that they're looking at come from a mishmash of
police data via Twitter, of all places. This is the
government release, so you can expect some blowback from labor
on that. But you don't need the stats to tell
you what you feel and what I feel, what we
feel and see in our neighborhoods. And that's a few

(02:51):
more cops on the beat. I'm not saying it's perfect,
but a few more cops on the beat and a
bit less violence on our streets. Bryan Bridge is the
number to text. We'd love your feedback on that. Nine
minutes after four. Now, the government's looking at scrapping the
three month rule for repeat prescriptions. The idea is you
will speed things up, you'll get rid of the backlog.
The change would allow patients requiring certain medications to wait

(03:15):
twelve months before needing approval. Again from a health professional,
Dr Brian Bett is the chair of the GPS and
Zties with me Hi Brian, Well, hi Ryan here, good
to have you on the show. So currently it's it's
three months. What it is that good? Does that work?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Well, I'll look through. Three months is what we've had
as a standard script, and patients gets three months renewals
on their scripts. But certainly for some patients where we're
the stable, there is an argument to say that you
could extend that time out, so you could have a
six month script or longer required, and that's what has

(03:53):
been talked about at the moment.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
So this is a good thing. You welcome it.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Look, look, I've always been I've been pretty supportive of this.
I think there's a couple of things with it. One,
the patient needs to be stable on the medication. Okay,
that's really really important. Two, and this is the most
important thing with this, it's a clinical decision that the
prescriber makes. So what something like this do does is
increase flexibility. So you know, a three month script can happen.

(04:19):
And actually, for some patients who are not stable, we
ask the pharmacist to prescribe every say two or four weeks,
it's not necessarily three months. So there's always been that flexibility.
So this extends the time out that the script could
run for without review. So yeah, it gives flexibility to
the amount of time that the scripts are required to

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be picked up from the pharmacy.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Why have we got this arbitrary three month rule in
the first place, then, I mean, it seems pretty dumb
if we could if the gps are so overwhelmed that
they can't even see you know, new people, let alone
those who've got existing scripts, then it seems a dumb
rule to have in the first place.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's always been three months. It's something historical. It's been
in place for many decades, the three month prescribing rule,
and in fact, overseas, if you look at Australia, the US,
the UK, there was similar sort of restrictions on prescribing there,
but all of those countries have started to loosen this
up in terms of flexibility. And again, if the patient's

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stable and it's clinically appropriate and the prescribers as comfortable
with that, then they can increase the amount of time
or the frequency of the scripts. And that's certainly a
very common occurrence now overseas. So we are sort of
falling into line with international trends over this.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
If this was to proceed, okay, sounds like something we
should do tomorrow then Brian Betty, thanks very much, for
your time. That's doctor Brian Betty has the Chair of
General Practice, New Zealand Times twelve minutes after four. It
does annoy me when you have to go back and
get your scripts. Obviously you can go a lot of
the time. You can go online, or you can email,
or you can bring your doctor to renew scripts. But
having to go back and every time very very expensive

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thing to do. Nine two nine two is the number
to text twelve minutes after four. Coming up next, Darcy's here.
We're going to talk about this potential bid from Dzone.
Dumbest name I think I've ever read, because it's spelt
d a z n, so it's not immediately clear how
you pronounce it. Anyway, They are apparently going to bid

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for the rugby rights, which is great news for NZR,
bad news for Sky Darcy.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Next it's the Heather Dup see Allan Drive full show.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Podcast on Iheard Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
News Talk ZB just gone quarter past four. Lots of
text coming in on the script, Ryan, I've had a
twelve month script since last year. I presume to free
up the doctors suits him and suits me. How is
that allowed? I thought the rule was three months. Ryan.
Some people who were talking with Kerry this morning on
the radio. This is from Alan get A Allen talking

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with Kerry this morning said that they wanted the GPS
want to keep the scripts at three months because it's
a gravy chain. They need you to come in and
spend you one hundred dollars for your appointment, get your
script renewed, and then come back again and do that
all in three months instead of doing it via email
or whatever the case may be. Sixteen after four you're
on news Talks. It'd be Darcy Walter Graves here with Sport.
Hey Darcy, and good day to you Ryan. Great story

(07:09):
today about well, lots to chat about with the Zone
potentially going to go after the rugby rights. Are they
what do we know?

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Well at the moment, I'd say rumor, but apparently they
have knocked on a door. Whether they are approached first
or was the other way around, don't entirely know, but
I'm sure that will roll out when I read all
about it. You can. Gregor Paul's written a piece for
n Z held. I've got John Fillette, former CEO of Sky,
joining us tonight up after seven o'clock to talk about this,

(07:39):
and when you look at the situation, would they be
better off to Zone rolling in over the top and
just buying Sky outright.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, they might do both, because how are they going
to broadcast the games? You know, it's all very well
having the rights to them, but Sky's got the infrastructure
right that.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
I don't know if that'd be particularly hard to the
outside broadcasting crew with they can be picked up and
bought with a injured our Sky. Well, Sky are only
keen on things like the NPC. It's not a big
seller for them. It's part of that package deal. So
whether Desione wants to do that or it's only about
all Blacks or Super Rugby, the length of the deal,

(08:16):
the size that we don't know. But what we've got
here is after I hesitate to use the term lobull
because of the nature of the economic situation we find
ourselves and they haven't got a lot of subscribers, they
haven't got a lot of money, but there's no competition.
Spark's gone, so suddenly they're going wow, inside, this is
going off. You will take it or not. So if
there's another team rolling in and saying, well how about this,

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Sky will be very interested their antenna will be pricked away.
It is their biggest it's their biggest property. It's not
you look at everything else that's guy dealing. Most of
that now is on entertainment, straining services.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Isn't it. So the thing is it is their bread
and butter. It's there, you know. It's their core business
really is sport and the core business of New Zealand
sport is rugby.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
If you want to be the home of New Zealand
Sport as the zone, said Elliott Smith on the station
a couple of weeks ago, if you want to be
in New Zealand's home of sport, which is what they
want to be, you have.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
To have rugby.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Now, if you don't have rugby, you're not the home
of New Zealand sport.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Who is the zone? They're backed by Saudi's.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
I actually don't know a histhority where they come from.
I think they came out of Britain in nationally and
they started off in boxing and then they moved from
boxing and now they're moving into other sports. But they
want to enlarge. I think it's a British entity right now.
I stand to be.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Pockets because they're taking foxteling them in Australia and they've made.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
No money yet, but they're investing a lot of money
in it. So they're looking for a long game as
opposed to a short game now where a bulk of
their income comes from who knows might take something away
from Saudi. Well, like we'll see. Is that really a
global enough sport? How much is it going to cost them?
Will it be a splash in the ocean? Is it
worth that? There's all these questions now.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And well I guess that the question is what is
their company's strategy? You know, why are they buying up
lots of little different stations all around the world. Is
there a wider strategy that this would play into.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
What if they want to be the home of sport globally,
they're going to buy as much as they can. So
do you buy the station or do you buy the
various contracts that they've got. Now Sky Sport have just
picked up cricket again for six more years. So does
it make it easy because you will take the rugby,
will take Sky and we are the home of sport.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Here in New Zealand. Saudias, I've just been told the
Saudias on ten percent of this thing ten percent. Okay,
thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
The production team in there, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Impressive win for the black Cats at the Champions Trophy.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah did it buy five wickets. Bit of a wabble
at the start, a couple of quick wickeds, but they
turned it around. Retten Ravendra again showing the world how
good he is. It's a ten hundred and twelve and
five five balls off the top of my head in
partnership with Tom Latham. Three consecutive ducks. Then he's come
back scored a fifty, one hundred and another fifty, so

(11:08):
he's in good form. So now straight through you've got
a game against India coming up that will determine their seedings.
But then it's semi final action in the Champions Trophy.
And look, let's face it, it's home cricket for us.
We spend more time playing in the subcontin than we
do here and so we've got a hometown advantage.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
So that's great news.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
For them, really really please brigant and Tonight on the program,
John filipp will also catch up with Scott Dixon ahead
of the start of the Indy Castle.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Good board to at Darcy Darcy Water Grave here with
you tonight on News Talks, there'd be twenty after four.
Lots to discuss. Next, I'll tell you about We'll just
run you through the numbers from Mercury. If you're a
Mercury customer, your power bills about to go up.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on Hither
duper Cy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected News Talks, there'd.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Be twenty three minutes after four. Great to have your company, boyo.
Do people have some stories? Isn't it funny how the
different amounts we pay to see the doctor. I saw
one that was maybe I don't know, five hundred meters
from my house, and I was paying eighty nine dollars
every time I went to see the doctor. And then
I found out there was another one who was about
seven hundred meters from my house, and I'm now paying

(12:19):
I think fifty five dollars. Massive difference. This is from
Rachel Hi. Ryan. It is a dumb historical rule. This
is about the prescription coming back every three months to
do the dance. Pay the money. It's a dumb historical rule,
probably to increase income, but now it just wastes everyone's
time and at fifty seven dollars a pop. So that
you go, Rachel's playing fifty seven dollars every three months

(12:40):
at the doctor's, not to mention any other family GP visits,
plus in my case a twenty five dollars prescription fee quarterly.
It is a significant household expenditure. So there you go.
I don't think you'll find anyone who's going to vote
against a change to push that period out and make
it anything up to a year twenty four.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
After four Friday and Bridge Rich.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Interesting timeline come out of Australia about these And I
don't want to go on about the Chinese navy ships
because we have done that for a few days now,
but I just was interested in the timeline of how
this actually went down on Friday, because you remember on
Friday afternoon, I think we just left the show at
seven pm, got a little alert saying, oh there's a
Navy ship. Well we knew the Navy ships were there,

(13:22):
but they're doing the live firing. So here's the timeline
from Friday. And this is a calling to the Aussies
come through their Parliament through Air Services Australia, which runs
their airlines the airspace, so they had to divert a
total of forty nine flights on that Friday and over
the weekend. At nine fifty eight am on Friday morning,

(13:44):
there was an emergency broadcast from one of these frigates
that just so happened to be picked up by a
Virgin Airlines pilot who was flying overhead. So at ten am,
two minutes later, the Virgin pilot tells ell Air Services Australia,
you might want to have a look. There's some some
Chinese boats down here and it looks like they're firing.

(14:06):
I mean, this is unbelievable. Ten am, air Traffic Control
issue a hazard alert that's to let the other planes know.
Just after ten am, finally someone calls the Defense Force.
The Defense Joint Operations Command Center is advised. And this
is the interesting part. The Chinese then, because they're just
actually at the moment broadcasting on an emergency frequency for

(14:28):
anyone who might be listening, they then actually pick up
their radios and directly call flights pilot. There was an
Emirates flight going over here. So you mentioned you're flying
your plane across the Tasman, you know, minding your own business,
and next minute there's a I don't know. Does it ring?
Probably not. It's probably some sort of static sound and
some anyway, a couple of buzzing noises and they're like, hey,

(14:51):
just letting you know, we're doing some live firing down here,
you might and so he has to divert his plane.
I mean it's quite extraordinary and it does in a
way change the way that we look at this because
initially the Prime Minister said, and Judith Collins said, we
were advised, but very late in the piece. Now I
thought that meant some defense attache called some other defense attache.

(15:16):
But if it's you know, if it's your Chinese boat
just radioing to your Emirates pilot, that's quite a different story,
isn't it. Twenty seven minutes after four, you're on news talks.
He'd be. We'll get the latest out of Australia after
the news. So do my friendson, my hell.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Molly on the iHeart app.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
And in your car on your drive home, it's Ryan
Bridge on hither dupers Allen Drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
He'd be, good, afternoon, it is twenty five minutes away
for five, you're on news talks.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Sa'd be it's great to have your company. This afternoon,
lots of texts coming in. I'm gonna feel sorry for
our pensioners when they put the prices up for your electricity.
Meridian is doing just that, up ten percent from April.
They've warned you today. This is from Andrew. He says
that'll be an increase of nineteen dollars twenty a month
for me. I got an email from them this morning.

(16:24):
Another here says Ryan, that's ninety cents to a dollar
fifty for US. Eighteen dollars a month increase. Not great
for US pension as I hear you, twenty five to
two five.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
So the French president Emmanuel Mahon has visited the White House.
He's chatting Ukraine with Trump. They had nice talk, but
then they disagreed on some things.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
Europe is loaning the money to Ukraine. They get their
money back now.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
In fact, to be frank, we beat we beat sixty
percent of the totally fours and it was Lake the
US lawn's guaranty.

Speaker 10 (17:03):
I grunts, and we provided.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
The pel money to be clear, real money. He said.
Things are getting personal In the build up to the
Aussie election, the Labour parties come out they are attacking Dutton,
saying he's guilty of some dodgy share trading. Back during
the GFC, Dustin brought shares in three major banks right
before a government bailout, a bailout that Dustin's then party
leader Malcolm Turnbull would have been briefed about. Here's employment

(17:27):
Minister Murray Watt.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
And all of a sudden, the day before this massive bailout,
he takes an interest in buying banking stocks.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
It's a bit weird and I think it's a bit serious.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Finally, this afternoon, the man behind the disastrous Fire Festival,
remember that where it was all turned to shrike and
there was you know, it was raining and the tents
didn't work or the tenths didn't turn up and people
were hungry. Well, he's announced he's having another go. Billy
McFarland is his name. He says. The Fire Festival too,
is going to take place in Mexico in late May
this year. He's done an interview with NBC.

Speaker 11 (18:00):
What makes fire so cool is that we are selling
the experience of fire. I want to be one of
the first festivals. I can sell out with no.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Artists, but you do have them booked.

Speaker 11 (18:10):
We're redoubtsing the artists over the next few months, so
I'm not in charge of booking.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
The dun Will these be a list names that are involved?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I really hope. So didn't he go to jail? He
didn't go to jail anyway, he must be out of jail.
And if you want a ticket, well you just have
to go on Google five Festival two. Personally, I think
people will go because that's just the way the world is.
Something's a bit famous and it's on Instagram, so they
jump on board. Anyway. Good luck.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Twenty three International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I want to get to the bottom of what's going
on over in Australia with this sheer scand or Murray
olds as our Australia correspondent. Hey Murray, afternoon, Ryan, So
what's what is going on?

Speaker 12 (18:53):
Did he?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Is he guilty of what they say he's guilty of?

Speaker 13 (18:57):
This is just a phony war. We haven't even had
the election date announced and they're busy blazing away. We
had maybe the election date this weekend and yet the election,
the electorate's already drowning in all the cash both sides
are splashing around anyway, I mean seventeen and a half
eighteen billion dollars on health spending justin twenty four hours

(19:20):
this week. Anyway, today that was Murray what he's one
of the hard heads in the government, and that clips
you're played the line on the short of it is
over here. Maybe it's the same in New Zealand. Our
parliamentarians state and federal have to reveal the financial interests
in a parliamentary register to allow and order to take place,

(19:43):
to make sure that they're not getting tip offs from
I suppose, you know, pertical insider trading. Let's leave it
at that. So today Labor says, what happened back in
the day before in the global financial crisis, the banks
were under enormous, enormous pressure, So twenty four hours before
the government moved here to bail out the banks, giving

(20:06):
them billions of dollars in guarantees. Peter Dutton then a young,
thrusting backbenure. I think he was a backbencher who was
certainly young and thrusting. He goes out and snaffles up
massive amounts of Combank, Westpac and National Australian Bank shares.
Now the following day the government bailout is announced. Those

(20:27):
shares he bought for about twenty three dollars sells them
twelve days later or twelve days later, they were worth
almost thirty Now, this, according to the government, smells to
high heaven. Now it smells to me that the government
is on a fishing expedition.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Here.

Speaker 13 (20:43):
The government is looking to hurt Peter Dutton. Dutton is
riding very very highly opinion polls over here. The fact
that the matter of is Dutton is a multi multi millionaire,
but he hates people thinking about that. He likes to
be known as, you know, the humble Queensland copper who's
done good, wants to look after and dads and their money.
The fact is he's rolling in cash and so's his wife.

(21:05):
They're a very successful couple. Now Labor's trying to paint him,
you know, was this dreadful conservative crook? He says, Labor's
just looking for dirt and smearing the muck around in
the lead up to an election. They're going to get
lots and lots of this. It becomes a bit tison
After about forty eight hours. Honestly, because both sides are
throwing as much as they can find, as hard as

(21:26):
they can.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Ten has been ordered to pay Lisa Wilkinson's court cost.
This is from the Lherman saga. What exactly are they
paying for? Do we know how much?

Speaker 13 (21:36):
Yeah, they have to pay one point one five million
dollars to cover her legal costs. You may remember that
Bruce Lherman took Ten and specifically Lisa Wilkinson, she was
then working for the TEN network. Lherman took them to
court alleging he had been defamed. He was the famed,
he said in an interview that Lisa Wilkinson did with

(21:58):
Britney Higgins. Now, of course, Higgins claimed that she was
raped by Luhmann at part of the house. They were
colleagues at the time in the media team of one
of the ministers there, Linda Reynolds. Now, his criminal trial
ended with no findings against him after DURA misconduct, and
the Director of Public Prosecution said We're not going to

(22:20):
put the Britney Higgins through another trial. So he then
went the defamation route and he lost. He lost the
defamation case last year that now was subject to an appeal,
Wilkinson and Ten of course defended themselves. But here's the thing.
Wilkinson decides that, oh, no, no, no, I don't want those,
you know, the lawyers that Channel ten's got. I want

(22:42):
my own lawyers. And now the court's ruled that her
own legal team has to be funded in very very
large part by Channel ten.

Speaker 14 (22:50):
Why.

Speaker 13 (22:51):
I'm not sure it was her decision to go with
her own legal team, but the court has ruled that
that's fair enough and it must be up to tend
to actually over a million dollars for her legal costs.
I'm not sure how that works, but some little lawyer.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
No, sounds like you need to be though that for
that manner. Murray, thank you for that. Murray holds our
Australia correspondent with US eighteen minutes away from five Ryan.
So the insed they've released their monthly sorry quarterly predictions.
This is for March twenty five GDP growth this year.
They're expecting one and a half percent for US. Interesting
that they talk about construction and they say that construction

(23:29):
will not grow in the same way that the rest
of the economy will grow. It won't recover when population
growth or as population growth recovers, it'll be a slower
track for our construction industry, which is not good news
for them. Obviously. They point out obvious things like geb
politics and trade tensions, et cetera, that are wearing on
people's minds, and the ocr well they've picked. Guess what

(23:52):
track they've picked, Exactly the same one that Adrian Will
picked the other day twenty five and April twenty five
bases points in May twenty five and the second half
of the year, and we should be at three by Christmas,
Home and host seventeen away from five. Barry Soaper is
here next with the latest from the White House.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments,
certainty Barry.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Soaper, senior political correspondent and potential Republican in the Today Barry,
Good afternoon. Right now, we'll explain that in a second. First,
what's happening in the White House.

Speaker 15 (24:21):
Well, you know it.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Was interesting, wasn't it, Because the French President Emmanuel mcrome
goes to see Donald Trump, and not surprisingly, the talk
centered on the Ukrainian War. Trump did voice as open
as though, I've got to say to a European peacekeeping
force in the Ukraine and New Zealand has said that

(24:42):
it may contribute to that. He'll learn more about that
later in the week when Kirstarma, the British Prime Minister, visits,
and he said Trump told Macrome that Putin has quite
in favor of the idea as well. Pain falls, I
mean honestly, but it was in the White House that

(25:04):
the French President mccron touched Trump on the arm unheard of,
to correct them over who has spent what on the
Ukrainian War. Here's how unfolded.

Speaker 9 (25:14):
I support the idea to have Ukraine first being compensated
because they are the one to have lose a lot
of the fellow citizen and being destroyed by this. That
the second, all of those who paid for could be compensated,
but not by Ukraine, by Russia because they wasn't one
to aggress.

Speaker 8 (25:30):
Again, you understand, just say you understand. Europe is loaning
the money to Ukraine. They get their money back now.

Speaker 9 (25:36):
In fact, to be frank, we paid. We paid sixty
percent of the totally faults and it was who I
like the US loans guarantee grants and we provided real money.
To be clear, if at the end of the day,
the negotiation we will have with Russia. They're ready to
give to give it to us. Super it will be
loan at the end of the day, and Russia will

(25:57):
have paid for that.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
If you believe that, it's okay with me.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
But they get their moneback and we don't, and now
we do.

Speaker 12 (26:03):
It's an unbelievable legend.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Meeting with Trump, absolutely incredible. But it was later in
the press conference it would seem that Trump was totally
oblivious to being corrected by Macron over who paid for
the war.

Speaker 16 (26:17):
That's a very interesting and horrible situation, and that could
evolve into a Third World War. We're not going to
let that happen. Should have never started, but it did,
and what a mess, What a horrible, bloody mess. The
United States has put up far more aid for Ukraine
than any other nation, hundreds of billions of dollars. We've
spent more than three hundred billion and Europe has spent

(26:39):
about one hundred one hundred billion. That's a big difference,
and at some point we should equalize.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Unbelievable. So it's water of a duck's back with Trump.
But you'll be pleased to hear. And here it comes
the Republican speaking. I'm on their internet, the listing smiling list. Yeah,
and it's that told me this morning. It was don't
let your invitation to Marra Lago expire. It said, that

(27:08):
told me what I should wear as a VIP to
Mary Lago. He said, don't worry about the flight, it's
on me. Don't worry about your hotel, it's on me.
All you need to do is contribute whatever you can
to ensure your spot at the White House. And then
this afternoon, having got over that shock of going to
Marry Lago, I got this this afternoon. Berrier made a

(27:30):
big decision at Marra Lago last weekend, and consultation with
my trusted advisors like the Great Elon Musk, I made
the call to open up a few more highly selective
spots for cabinet level advisors. And the first one is going.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
To be you, how much do you have a job?
How much are you paying them to get emails like
this that I want to know? Do know why they bother? Actually,
Connor sent them quite a funny message. He says, it
looks to me like President maham be made to resign
if he's grabbing Trump's harm es exactly the way of
Andrew Bealley is a capital offense. Now Luckx's off to

(28:07):
Vietnam talking about defense spending, does that include the plane?

Speaker 6 (28:11):
Well, good point, because he is going on the defense
force seven five seven.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
It was before he left.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
On the plane from Panua Pai this morning that he
was on z B with the HOSK and talked about
defense spending and how it'll be a target in the
May budget.

Speaker 17 (28:27):
There'll be a very significant uplift and defense spending over
a period of time. I mean historically our defense and
just set has gone off and bought bits of ships
and boats and planes and stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
What I've asked forth new leadership is a.

Speaker 17 (28:38):
Proper strategy for the next fifteen years of where do
we want to build capability in the defense forces and
therefore make sure that as we tip money into it,
that is actually good money going into a good strategy.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
A lot of what we've got to do.

Speaker 17 (28:48):
Is make things much more interoperable with Australia, as you've
seen even over the course of this week.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Well that's right with the Chinese warships. But when you
listen to what Luckson's saying, increasing spending to two two
percent of GDP. That would virtually double where we are
at the moment to ten billion a year.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yes, right.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
If you look at Australia for example, they spend two
point three percent of GDP fifty six billion on defense.
Go to the US three point four percent. They spend
Old Donald eight hundred and fifty billion bucks on defense.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So it's an interesting one. We had Nicola Willison last night.
She said that they will stagger it. She said, same thing,
massive interest, Well, stagger it over fifteen years exactly. It'd
be over fifteen years at least because it's a huge
chunk of money and their operating a lance is what
two point three billion, So to add add another five
just to defense. Yeah, no way, Barry, thank you for that.
Good to see you as always.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Nice to see you too.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent, off to Marra Lago. By
the sounds of it, nine minutes away from five yond
news talk, sa'd be when we come back. I'll tell
you a little bit more about Trump at the White
House as well, and Starmer heading over there. He's sort
of starting the brown nose campaign. Also a little bit
to cover on in video. The will biggest stock results

(30:03):
this week.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

Speaker 18 (30:08):
Breakfast Disprime Mister Crystal LX Andrew Bailey, would you have
sacked him if he hadn't offered to resign?

Speaker 17 (30:12):
Well, hypothetical, he did resign.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
No, I know that, but just answer the question.

Speaker 18 (30:16):
Was it a sackable offense?

Speaker 19 (30:17):
Well?

Speaker 17 (30:17):
I thank even how clear we've been on the first incidence.

Speaker 18 (30:20):
I just answer the question. Well, so this is why
you get yourself reputationally in so much trouble.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Would you have sacked him? Yes or not?

Speaker 17 (30:25):
I can say, yeah, he didn't meet the expectators I
have ministers, So you would have sacked him, But I
didn't need to because he resisted.

Speaker 18 (30:30):
This is why you're in trouble in the polls. People
want something decisive. Look, if you wouldn't have sacked him,
say so either way, I don't care, but people want
from you, the prime minister, to go. This is my expectation.
I'm glad he resigned, because if he didn't, I would
have sacked him.

Speaker 17 (30:41):
Well, that's exactly what has happened here.

Speaker 18 (30:44):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the laugh.

Speaker 20 (30:48):
News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Something to keep your eye on this week at five
minutes away from five on News Talk Z'B and video.
This is the biggest stock in the world. It can
move entire markets. It's results. We have that story out
a couple of weeks ago. Remember about Deep Seek, that
was the Chinese potential competitive that seems to have died
away a little bit. It's an AI chip maker and
it's got its results Thursday. The estimates for sales for

(31:11):
the fourth quarter. Guess what they are, thirty eight billion
dollars they're expecting in revenue. Incredible numbers. A eighty five
cents to share for earnings, So that would mean about
a seventy two percent increase in sales and a sixty
four percent increase in earnings over that period, which is
an incredible thing. These are estimates, by the way. The
big thing that the markets are worried about and looking

(31:33):
for this week is the supply. Unsurprisingly, the supply of chips,
which could be an issue for their sales. That's coming
up Thursday this week, just gone four away from five now. Interestingly,
Donald Trump over in America. The reason that they're so
upset and they've gone to the United Nations Security Council

(31:55):
to try and get a resolution pass, which has passed
now on the war in Ukraine. They have excluded the
words Russian aggressor or Russian aggression. And you might have
heard in Barries we had buried Soper on just a
few moments ago and his segment the thing that really
set Trump off during that meeting with Markoon was the
word Russian aggression. So obviously, I mean, this is me

(32:18):
reading between the lines, but obviously the talks that have
happened between the United States and Russia. Russia clearly doesn't
like being called an aggressor and America is clearly cowtowing
to that. Why else would you exclude it on the
three year anniversary of the war in Ukraine? Why else
would you exclude the words Russian aggressor when it was

(32:38):
them that crossed the border because you wanted to a
deal with them, because you're looking at normalizing relations with
President putin nine twers numbered text coming up after the
break your powervill what Shane Jones is going to do
about it? And we'll also look at the stats from crime.

(32:58):
Apparently throwing people in pres since action quite good for crime.
It's all a hit Newstalks HB.

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Speaker 3 (33:39):
Brian Bridge on hither duplicy.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Allan drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
News talks EB.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Good evening at A seven after five Newstalks, ZIBB Shane
Jones standing by on your power bills in just a
second right now, though, the government crowing about its tough
on crime approach, reporting a two percent drop in violent
crime for the first time since twenty eight This new
police data shows ram raids down fifty eight percent, one
percent drop in serious assaults, total victimizations the are down

(34:08):
two percent. Retail crime though, that is the fly in
the ointment that is up twelve percent. Mark Mitchell is
that's theft in retail environments. Mark Mitchell's the police minister.
Good evening, Kday, Ryan, how are you good? Thank you?

Speaker 10 (34:21):
So?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Is this conclusive? Can we really say violent crime is
coming down?

Speaker 23 (34:28):
Well, definitely, violent crime is going down. It's the first
time that that's happened since twenty eighteen. We've seen a
massive increase in violent crime over the last or the
previous six years. But we're definitely not crying about it yet.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's early days.

Speaker 23 (34:40):
We know that we've still got an enormous amount of
work to do, but it's certainly early signs of really
promising that we're head in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh, your press really certainly sounds very croy. I don't
know if you've read it. I don't know if you've
read it.

Speaker 19 (34:54):
Well.

Speaker 23 (34:54):
I think the police, without a doubt, deserves some real recognition.
They had the gang legislation that they had to roll out.
They've done an outstanding job of that. I'm extremely proud
of the work that they're doing. And I want to
give a shout out to our correction stuff as well.
We've had a big increase of people coming into the
correction system. Although they're largely invisible to the public and

(35:15):
work behind the wire, their job is no less important
in terms of public safety, and they do an outstanding job.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Is this confirmation that the tough on crime thing actually works?
I mean it's pretty basic. You've got foot patrols from
police up forty percent, you've got the highest prison population
since twenty eighteen, and you've got violent crime coming down.

Speaker 23 (35:32):
Yeah, I mean we've just focused on public safety and
there's some people that can't be out in the community.
They need to be in prisoned because they hurt people.
And the previous government let way too many people out.
They transferred the risk back into the community. Of course,
what do we deal with arise and violent crime and
more victims And we're not going to accept that. We
should ryn we should be the safest country in the world.

(35:54):
We've got a lot of work to do, but we're
ending in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
The retail stuff then up twelve percent. Are you're going
to give Sonny Kaschell what he wants? I mean he
wants if you cannot make a citizen's arrest, detain someone,
he says in New Zealand unless the item is worth
more than a thousand dollars and it happens between six
am and nine pm. Are you changing that well?

Speaker 23 (36:15):
Sonny has been a very strong voice for retailers. He
understands clearly what the challenges are there. He's been working
very hard with his group and the Justice Minister, Paul
Goldsmith will be out tomorrow making some more announcements around that.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Are you going to look at that.

Speaker 23 (36:29):
Well, if it's not to borrow at some time this week.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Is that one of the things you're looking at, that's
those citizens arrest rules.

Speaker 23 (36:37):
Well, I'm not going to prehip that. Get Paul on
Ryan when he makes the announcement. I don't want to
prehipt what they're announcing. They've been working on it pretty
hard and it's their announcement.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
All right, Minister, thanks so much for your time. That
is Mark Mitchell, he's the police Minister. It's just gone
ten after five. Bridge Marsden Point could become New Zealand's
first Special Economic Zone in a bid to boost fuel
and energy security for Kiwi's resources. Minister Shane Jones says
turning it into an energy precinct could protect against supply
chain disruptions that could support the economy. Shane Jones is

(37:07):
with me now, High Minister.

Speaker 14 (37:09):
Hi, greetings folks.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
What is a special economic What does that mean to
your special economic zone? Does that mean tax breaks for
this area? Does that mean faster regulation?

Speaker 14 (37:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (37:20):
I mean the idea flows from the fact that this
is a site of great strategic importance. Seven to sixteen
billion dollars to rebuild the refinery. According to the analyst,
So that's certainly beyond the spending capacity that I have
any influence over. One of the ideas that has come
forward is that if Marsden Point is really of significance

(37:42):
to energy transition, energy innovation, let's have a bespoke precinct
with distinctive planning walls and identify with my colleagues Niicola
Willis and the Minister of Revenue what additional what additional
incentives and be built into such.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
A zone like tax breaks you're looking at that I campaigned.

Speaker 14 (38:06):
I campaigned on that. Sadly we've got six and a
half percent of the vote, so that didn't get very far.
But there's given.

Speaker 24 (38:14):
If indeed you do think that climate change is this
all enveloping existential issue, then what are we actually going
to do in New Zealand other than trying tax cows?
What are we actually going to do to enable industry,
to enable investors to accelerate the accelerate the pace of change.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So are you talking about are you talking about and
you know, biofuels only here at Marsden pointery? Are you
actually talking about oil?

Speaker 14 (38:44):
Of course I'm talking about gas and oil.

Speaker 24 (38:46):
I'm not part of this naive club who believes that
the internal combustion engine is going to go anytime soon.

Speaker 14 (38:52):
No, but we're talking about all fuel.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
But the oil refinery is obviously been shuttered, right, so
are you're talking about bringing the oil refinery back? As
part of this is that the goal no.

Speaker 24 (39:02):
The zone hopefully will encourage investors who are looking at fuel,
not only innovation but diversifying our fuel types. Obviously in
New Zealand's very keen to see if it can get
a blended fuel so it can play the game when
it goes and lands in other countries that have onerous
climate obligations.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
So biofuels, you're talking about biofuels, you're not talking about oil.

Speaker 24 (39:26):
Well, it currently is a sight of importation of oil
and that's not going to change anytime soon. But having
said that, you're not going to In fact, there's biofuels,
there's hydrogen, there's a variety of other things and it's
up to the market to establish how such products can
be delivered in New Zealand and let's try and find
a spot where people are incentivized to deliver them rather

(39:46):
than suffering the depredations of Nimbi's.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Minister Is this idea actually going to happen or is
this just another kind of headline grabber from you.

Speaker 24 (39:58):
I'm disappointed you've characterized them to it in such a
rhetorical way.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
All right, No, no answer to the question either. What
about Mercury putting up their prices ten percent? They say
it's transmission cost lines costs have gone up, but also
the dry winter.

Speaker 24 (40:15):
The electricity system not unlike the Shakespearean phrase, is something.

Speaker 14 (40:20):
Rotten at the core of the electricity sector?

Speaker 10 (40:24):
You know that.

Speaker 24 (40:24):
I know that they are that powerful, and they have
been that impervious to change that until such time there's
significant recalibration of the electricity settings. I don't imagine that
much of anything is going to change. I'm confident that
the reviews will give some decent options for the government

(40:50):
to look at. But the bottom line is we will
not have manufacturing, we will not have industrial competitiveness in
New Zealand if we do not tame the profit excesses
of the electricity sector.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
They didn't make a profit.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I beg your pardon.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
They didn't make a profit.

Speaker 14 (41:08):
Well, Genesis made a huge profit.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But I've asked about Mercaurary they haven't. That's all, I'm
saying no.

Speaker 24 (41:13):
But if you look at the period of time the
mercury has been around and the inverse relationship to.

Speaker 13 (41:20):
How far how quickly their value.

Speaker 24 (41:22):
Has grown and the pitiful amount of money that that
sector is actually put into boosting supply, you'll find that
I'm right and you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Minister, Thanks so much for your time. Shane Jones, the
Minister for Resources and Regional Development, with us from the
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Speaker 3 (42:31):
Bryan bre just got.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Eighteen after five. You're on News Talks b primary school teachers.
They're about to get the red carpet rolled out and
get the same streamlined pathway to residency that's on offer
for their secondary school counterparts. Carl Bruton as an Auckland
he's the Primary Principals Association president. He's with me Hi
Kyle afternoon. Ryan, Good to have you on. Is this
going to help at least?

Speaker 14 (42:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 25 (42:57):
We've already seen with the secondary approach that brought somewhere
around that four hundred and fifty mark into the country
since it was introduced.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Is this what's your school situation like at the moment.

Speaker 25 (43:09):
We're out looking for someone at the moment to start
in the new term, and based on the applicants.

Speaker 14 (43:15):
It's still pretty dire out there.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 25 (43:18):
The good thing about this is you've sort of got
three layers, right. You've got this which is your immediate solution.
So how do we get people fast traped because we
can't just magic up teachers, So this sort of deals
with that immediate issue. Then we've got some medium term
things happening around that sort of career change, the one
year programs where you can have a bit of a
lifestyle change come into teaching, which is a great job.
And then that third piece of long term is how

(43:39):
do we get our young people excited about getting them
into classrooms again and inspiring that next generation.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's pretty disappointing for the Minister to have been given
a set of numbers from the Ministry of Education, you know,
projecting that they would have a surplus of teachers, and
then they turn around and say, actually, no, it's going
to be a shortage of teachers. It must be pretty
frustrating for her. Do you think she's handling this portfolio? Well,
how do you rate her?

Speaker 14 (44:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
No, I give her credit.

Speaker 25 (44:06):
We as an association have been screaming from the rooftops
for a good number of years about this shortage, and
the Ministry have continued to tell us no.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
No, we've got the surplus.

Speaker 25 (44:15):
And it took the current minister to actually lean on
the ministry and say, well, hey on, this doesn't make
sense because I'm hearing this and you're telling me this.
So what's really going on? And now we have the
full answer. So to that end, I think she's done
a fantastic job and getting the ministry stood up.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Interesting. It's a little sad when you know, you think
about the fact that kids can't read, write and smell
these days, and then actually it turns out the ministry
can't do it either. Thank you very much to that. Yeah, Kyle,
good to have you on car Burrita and see what
can Primary Principals Association president just gone twenty after five
News Talk said b coming up next, Well, there's much
to discuss. I'll tell you a little bit more about

(44:53):
the deal between Ukraine and the United States for the minerals,
which we've been following. Also after five point thirty, this
story could potentially hurt Sky quite badly. This is Dezone,
the company, the British outfit that apparently is going to
look to get the rugby rights from n z R.

(45:14):
Sky wants them Sky needs them badly, so another potential
bit of entering the entering the ring not great for Sky.
We'll talk about that after five point.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Thirty getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge
on Hither Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
That'd be It's five twenty five. COVID is a grubby
word and no one likes to use it anymore. In fact,
if you insert the word COVID into a conversation, you'll
normally be met with a grimace or people will just
move away from you quickly because they don't like to
talk about it. Unfortunately, we need to talk about it.
This afternoon, the Royal Commission of Commission of Inquiry into

(45:58):
COVID and the it's response to COVID is suffering a
couple of setbacks. The Stuff is reporting this afternoon that
the executive director and two legal counsels at the Royal Sorry,
the COVID Royal Commission of Inquiry, have resigned. They have quit.

(46:19):
They haven't said why they've quit, but they've all quit
around the same time. And now serious questions over the
status of the inquiry and the way it has been
run are entering the media the headlines. Brook van Walden
is the Minister in charge of the Department of Internal
Affairs that is in charge of this inquiry, and I

(46:42):
think it is absolutely crucial that they get this right
because the only reason we don't like hearing the word
COVID and thinking about that period of time is because
it was so goddamn awful and the government I think
went too far in a lot of places it shouldn't have.

(47:04):
If they don't get this inquiry right, if it is
seen to have been quick on process or short on
detail or run over rough shod by politicians, it will
undermine everything it's set out to achieve. It is an
expensive exercise. They must get the COVID Royal Commission of

(47:27):
Inquiry right.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Cry and Bridge twenty.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Six after five news talks. They'd be sorry for using
the sea words so many times now.

Speaker 26 (47:35):
I think the only time a lot of us are
comfortable using that word now, Ryan is if we don't
have any symptoms, but we do have two lines and
we're calling our boss to explain we can't come into
work for a few days.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Do people still do that? Other than Tory Faro, who
was notorious for using the COVID thing. Do people still
say they've got COVID and not come to work, Well.

Speaker 26 (47:51):
I mean you can still catch it to not get symptoms.
I mean that's the thing where you don't really want
the symptoms badly, right, But if you've got not many
symptoms but you can spread it, then it's kind of
you know, depending on what you do.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
See.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
The interesting thing is people who take the test. I
would I would just never. I don't have any tests
on me, but I would never think to take a
test these days.

Speaker 26 (48:07):
Oh, you have a far a better work ethic than
I do.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Right, how many? Well, I mean in the time I've
been here, I must say it's you haven't had you know,
you've not been off for weeks or anything like that,
so you can't be there there twenty six minutes after
five year on News Talks, he'd be Dozone entering the
group chat on the rugby rights, the rugby rights auction,
what does it mean for Sky We're going to look

(48:29):
at that after the news at five thirty News Talks,
he'd be.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on hither do for
cell and drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Let's get connected news talks. They'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Good evening. It is twenty five away from six year
old news talks. They'd be coming up. After sex. We're
gonna have a chat. Tourism holdings. Their results out today,
profits down thirty six percent, but apparently their New Zealand
arm is actually holding up all right. So we'll speak
to the chief executive Grant Websters with us after sex
here on news.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Talk Brian Bridge.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Right, New Zealand's a new player, I should say, has
entered the market for the coveted rugby rights in New Zealand.
The Herald understands that ends that are currently in talks
with the Saudi backed streaming giants de Zone, after talks
broke down with Sky Television. The New Zealand Herald rugby
writer Gregor Paul broke this story and he's with us

(49:49):
this evening. Good evening, good evening. So is this when
we say talks broke down with Sky, what does that mean?

Speaker 19 (49:59):
Well, I don't they've broken down. I think they've reached
a stalemate where they've gone round and round in circles
that you know, these two know each other's businesses. Intimately,
they've been partners for the better part of thirty years.
SKY had the first right to make an offer, which
it has done. It has tabled an offer, It has
given detail why it has made the offer that it

(50:20):
has New Zealand Rugby field. It does not reflect fair
value in relation to the content that it is offering
for the next period between twenty twenty six and twenty thirty,
so they haven't been able to agree a price. Sky
won't budge on that, so, as is New Zealand Rugby's right,
it has gone to talk to any other potential bidders

(50:43):
to see if they can put a better price on
the table.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Is this posturing for mean z it are?

Speaker 19 (50:49):
I think Sky think it is. I don't know enough
to know whether it's a bluff. I suspect it probably is,
because I don't think that buying You know, the rugby
rights to New Zealand sits with the strategic plan that
dazone clearly has for itself. It would be difficult to
see how it could make that work. And I think

(51:11):
you'll be aware of many of your audience might be
aware that dazone has been touted as a potential buyer
of Sky itself. It recently bought Foxtail in Australia and
that has led many to believe that look, Sky's undervalued
at its current price. It's got a reasonably good business
going here. Would it be something that Dozone might acquire,

(51:33):
given that it's already bought Foxtelle, that's probably a better
question or a more likely strategy for it to pursue
than just buying rugby rights in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
If Sky were to lose the rights, that would be
a pretty big glow for them, wouldn't I mean that's
their bread and butter.

Speaker 19 (51:50):
I think it'd be catastrophic. And I mean we Sky
don't break the business down to tell you you know,
how many of their subscribers are primarily in there to
get access to the rugby. But the market itself has
a view that it's a considerable number, it's the majority.
So perception is more dangerous than reality for Sky here

(52:10):
because the markets priced that in. And if they have
to turn around and say, look, we haven't been able
to resecure the rights to the Old Blacks and to
Super Rugby, I think they will have a monumental impact
on its share price. And I think consumers and subscribers
would leave it in their drills.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Gregor, thanks so much for that. Gregor Paul the New
Zealand Herald Rugby writer who broke this story that we're
all talking about this afternoon. And just some numbers for you.
So the offer, according to the Herald's understanding, they offer
for two ins that are from Sky was eighty five
million dollars a year to renew the agreement. The current
price one hundred and eleven million dollars a year. That's
for the deal for the current period twenty twenty one

(52:48):
to twenty twenty five. So Sky, really would you call
that low balling? Probably? Yeah, I think you would. Twenty
two away from sexty.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
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Speaker 2 (53:02):
Joining the huddle tonight, Clear Delort journalist is with us.
High clear, great, great, Thank you and good to have
you here in the studio with me. Nick Legget's here
as well, Infrastructure and z E Chief Executive. Hey Nick, Hello,
Hi Nick, Good to have you guys here. We'll start
with this. Do you to either of you clear, do
you have Sky? And if do you and do you
have it for the rugby or do you know people

(53:23):
who have it?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Is it for sport?

Speaker 27 (53:26):
Well, we do have Sky and it is a bit
of a joke in my sort of friendship group hashtag
sport is my life.

Speaker 28 (53:32):
Not really, but support is the very important.

Speaker 27 (53:36):
Part of that package for at least one person in
the household. Not and and I think if it wasn't
part of it, no, there would not there would not
be a need for it. So and I know some
people who only have it for the sport, So yeah,
I think what is Sky without rugby?

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, exactly. The good thing about Sky, well apart from
just recently where they've had some migration issues to a
new satellite, but the thing nick about Sky is that
it's not streaming, so it does you know, there are
no glitches generally it's satellite and it's good quality when
you're watching rugby or whatever.

Speaker 29 (54:10):
Yeah, I think that's right, and it's it's a way
that people have come to expect that they can access
their rugby and other sport. And I mean, I like,
there is a Sky subscription in our house.

Speaker 14 (54:24):
It's actually my.

Speaker 29 (54:25):
Father in laws and rugby is a big is a
big component of that. The other part, of course, is
things like CNN and Fox, which are important part of
the of the package. But look, I mean I think
what people will be wanting to know here is that
is our access to rugby preserved and is it going
to be affordable? And that is what will be important

(54:46):
to most New Zealanders. So I guess getting it sorted
out is going to be quite critical just to reassure people.

Speaker 27 (54:54):
Yeah, and I think maybe in building that audience for
rugby is really important because there is competition nipping away.

Speaker 28 (55:00):
I went to the Auckland FC match at the weekend.

Speaker 27 (55:02):
The soccer I think, how was it called it rowdy?
It looks that, you know, it was fantastic. The atmosphere
was great, good started at five, out at seven, incredibly
well organized and I was very impressed. So you know,
if that takes off, they've got competition in our biggest city.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Well they do, and it had, I mean it has
taken off. They've sold out what every single game or
nearly every single game.

Speaker 27 (55:24):
Yeah, I mean maintaining that is always going to be
a challenge because the initial enthusiasm is there. But you know,
you hope, for example, if this does own gets involved
that Tarlene Blavatnik is personally very invested in it because
he's worth about thirty two billion dollars. Wow, so you
want to hope he really likes Rugby personally, certainly do.

Speaker 28 (55:43):
That makes a hell of a difference to whether they
stick around.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
The Anios guy said he liked rugby and he was
worth plenty of billions too. Where's he gone?

Speaker 28 (55:49):
They're a bit flaky?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Hey, Let's move on. Talk about the violent crime stats.
So the numbers down two percent, but the minister's sort
of plucking numbers from we're in this press release. He's
even taken some from Twitter. Nonetheless, there does seem to
be a feeling amongst people that violent crime and the
really really bad stuff it's not fixed, but it's coming
down a little bit neck Is that fair?

Speaker 30 (56:14):
Well?

Speaker 29 (56:14):
I think it's a very good early indicator. I mean,
when you look at that within the context of pretty
dire economic circumstances, for the country to think that actions
the government has taken on crime, that people are more
stressed yet violent crime is reducing, it does lead you

(56:37):
to have some hope that we might be on a
trend and that intervention is actually been successful.

Speaker 12 (56:42):
So I think that.

Speaker 29 (56:44):
Look, I think we should be optimistic about this, but
perhaps not quite confident at this point. But I can
tell you, Ryan, it's really nice to have some good news.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. It did feel good
reading that story today.

Speaker 14 (57:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (57:00):
And if people are feeling safer, they're going to want
to go out a bit more, for example, be on
the streets a little bit more, go down to their
local cafe without worrying about, oh my god, it's getting dark.

Speaker 28 (57:09):
I'm gonna get bashed over the head. It doesn't mean
you can be complacent.

Speaker 27 (57:12):
But the other thing the government has to be just
a little bit worry about is if these figures take
a bit of a blip at some stage.

Speaker 28 (57:18):
They've set themselves up for owning this.

Speaker 27 (57:21):
Yeah, and they'll own any drop in good figures.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
So you know, they did say, I did notice a
line at the very end of their two page press
release thing. You know these numbers will fluctuate.

Speaker 28 (57:32):
Yes, always have your basis.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Just an outclause. We'll be back in just a moment.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
With the huddle, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
It's fourteen minutes away from six and where with the huddle.
Tonight's clear the law journalists here and Nick Leggett Infrastructure
as in chief executive. Welcome back guys, Nick, you're in Wellington.
How is the news going down that Tory Farno was
pulling out of her month? Was it monthly or fortnightly?
I think it was only monthly appearance with Nick Mills
from News to be a regular slot with him, and

(58:03):
she said no, I'm going to diversify, you know, as
they always do, diversify my media offering. How's it going
down in Wellington?

Speaker 30 (58:10):
Well?

Speaker 29 (58:11):
I think it obviously comes on the back of a
pole result which shows her personal rating I think minus
forty two and that's I think the first time the
poll has taken it was at plus four, so it's
quite a drop and look, people have been surprised. Well
Into Mornings with Nick Mills is a top rated show

(58:33):
in Wellington. Nick has done a great job of building
the audience over time and people do listen. The other
point about Nick Mills is that he's not tough on
the people he brings in. He can ask hard questions,
but he's got a reputation I think is being very fair.
So it is surprising and it does seem as though
in an election year it would be odd to want

(58:55):
to really deny yourself an audience of several thousand people,
of them warning and one that you'd be trying to
win over to, you know, as you come down the
election straight.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I did think it an odd mode. In fact, when
I first heard the news that this was happening, I said, oh, wow,
she mustn't be running for marry again then. And I
don't think we quite know yet whether she is or
not clear, but it is an odd thing to do
in an election.

Speaker 28 (59:17):
Yeah, I think she has committed to standing again.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Really.

Speaker 28 (59:19):
Yeah, because I checked.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
That out too, I wondered they'll be loving that.

Speaker 27 (59:23):
Yeah, And I guess, Look, it's up to each individual
to decide how they best communicate. Maybe in her case,
she's found the more she communicates through Nick Mills or whoever,
the greater her disapproval ratings, which means really her life
in local body politics, which is pretty people oriented. You know,
you've got to be able to reach out in the community,

(59:43):
not just your base, and her base is the Green Party,
and she's really sort of coming strongly back to the
Green support that she has and says it's.

Speaker 28 (59:52):
A lonely job.

Speaker 27 (59:53):
So she hangs out now with the Green Party caucus
at Parliament. You need to have a much wider of
base than that. You don't need to have loads of
friends within that base, but you need to be able
to talk across a whole range of people and reach
out and get above some of that sort of party politically,
you should really be above party politics. And unfortunately, if

(01:00:14):
you're going to I ammess yourself in one party more
and more and isolate yourself more from listening to your electors,
you're probably not going to end up being re elected.

Speaker 16 (01:00:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Well, I mean I think we can all safely say
she won't be re elected. It'd be interesting to see
who does put their hat in the ring and who wins.

Speaker 29 (01:00:33):
Well, yeah, I mean people want certainty on that. They
want certainty on to know who's running, and they want
to be able to either get behind it and come
or back a new candidate. And I think that it's
a lot Well Inton is taking its time there. I
mean this has been a council, not just in this term,
but over I think several terms. It's been quite perceivedureus,

(01:00:54):
quite toxic at times. Actually they have come together and
made decisions. But I do just to pick up what
Claire said, what I like about local government is that often,
irrespective of your politics, you can work across the aisle.
And I've been a mayor, obviously not of Wellington, but
have put it he and I really like the fact
that you can. I was able to work constructively and

(01:01:15):
effectively with people to my left and people to my right.
And party politics is the antithesis of that. It really
blocks and it says there's only one type of person,
and that's the person that shares my political colors. And
I do think that limits the ability of local government
to be effective because you do have to work with

(01:01:38):
people that you might not agree with on everything. But
actually communities expect that, and so it'll be interesting to
see if voters this year reward or otherwise candidates that
are really identified as being party political.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Just finally, we're talking as soon as we're talking politics
and we're talking media, the way that the government is,
the language that the government's using is starting to anoint. Well, no,
it's not starting to. It's been annoying people for a
very long time. And press Sex are guilty of this
for time memoriam, but in describing Andrew Bailey's discussion as

(01:02:11):
an animated discussion, you know, rather than I don't know,
a fight or whatever it might be, and then touching
the shoulder. And then you had the Prime Minister on
the mic hossing breakfast this morning's It pains to avoid
saying that he would have sacked the guy had he
not resigned. Clear, do you think they need to change
the way that they talk to us or do you

(01:02:32):
think we should just accept that this is how they operate.

Speaker 27 (01:02:36):
Well in regard to that particular issue with Andrew Bailey,
we haven't heard the other side and may never because
the other party may not want to have their name
sort of dragged into the public domain. So it's really
quite hard to say. So it has to be, I
guess at the moment described in a very generic sort
of way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
True.

Speaker 27 (01:02:53):
But I listened, I went ick and listened to Mike
Costkings interview with the Prime Minister, and I just cannot
understand how somebody who has had media training cannot give
a one word answer yes or I was very effective
just as as an interviewer asking why and leaving a
big silence, you know, I mean, it can take the

(01:03:14):
interviewee by a surprise and they're left scrambling because they're
waiting for a very verbose sort of a question. So
I think that it doesn't serve christ pH Luxing very
well to sort of be trying to pile all these
kind of factoids.

Speaker 28 (01:03:28):
In all of the time.

Speaker 27 (01:03:30):
He's quite close. I gather to John Key, who was
actually a very good communicator. He knew what to deliver.
Someone's got to say to him, you know, just answer
the question in a very straightforward way. And of course
if he had said yes, I would have sacked them.
I don't think Andrew Bailey was going to come out
and seek a fight over that.

Speaker 28 (01:03:50):
Say no, you wouldn't have so he didn't have anything
to lose by looking.

Speaker 29 (01:03:55):
Very exactly, I wondered the same thing, why would it
have to have said yes in that situation? And it
does it just and it stops the Prime Minister's interview
from being able to cover things that actually most of
us are more interested in. Like I know the media
wants to know all the ins and outs, but actually

(01:04:15):
most people out in the public, we know that Andrew
Bailey's gone, He's resigned. Okay, made you know, did something silly.
Let's move on. But it sort of keeps it going
and I do, like most of us do want to.
Actually we're more interested in other things once the issue

(01:04:36):
has been dealt with. But I do think that not
answering a question directly gives it fuels the fire that
probably the government don't want to. It's a fire I
don't want fueled.

Speaker 27 (01:04:48):
Yeah, and it'd be very interesting to see how long
this strakes out politically, because I heard a journalist positing today, well,
we didn't have, technically speaking, a Minister of acc over
the weekend.

Speaker 28 (01:05:00):
I heard that and I just thought that did us
no harm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
No, the country has not crumbled.

Speaker 27 (01:05:04):
No, and the Prime Minister can always step in in
the absence of a minister.

Speaker 28 (01:05:09):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, totally agree. Clear, Thank you very much for that. Nick.
You two clear the Lord journalist Nicklely get Infrastructures in
Chief Executive on the Huddle, it is seven away from six.
Don't forget we're talking tourism holdings boss after six their
profit down thirty six percent in the half year.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
News TALKSB four minutes away from six, coming up after six.
We're obviously going to talk tourism holdings, but also to
Brad Olsen. He's coming on the show because this idea
of a special economic zone. Brad's point is a good one.
Why would you just carve out a little circle around
Marsden Point oil refinery and make that the special economic zone.

(01:06:04):
Why not draw a line around the whole country and say,
let's speed up regulation everywhere, let's lower taxes for multinationals everywhere.
If we think this is the answer to getting you know,
foreign investment into speeding up development, to getting the boat
going faster, why limit it to Marsden Point. It's all ahead.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Evening, Welcome to the Business Hour seven after six on NEWSTALKSB.
The Special Economic Zone for Marsden Point. We chat Brad Olson,
we chat to Brad Olsen, about that, why we are
at risk of losing a big chunk of our local
vegetable production. We'll ask Jamie McKay about that issue. Plus
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(01:07:35):
and rental company tourism holdings Why They have reported to sharp,
sharp decline in profits, describing it as the most difficult
period for the RV sales industry in decades. The firm
reported a net profit of twenty five point three million dollars. Now,
that's down thirty six percent on the period PRIVACS for
the six months to December. Grant Webster's the TIEV executive.

(01:07:56):
He's with me now, High Grant Giddy, Ryan, thanks for
being with me. So this has been a tough time.

Speaker 31 (01:08:02):
Yeah, On the RV sales side, it certainly has, and
that's around the globe. It's a very common sort of
phenomenon that we've seen everywhere. But pleasingly the sort of
the tourism side, the rental side has actually been really positive,
going from strength to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Strength, and especially in New Zealand right.

Speaker 31 (01:08:19):
Yeah, New Zealand's been our standout performer and really big
increase twenty plus percent increase in revenue, and fleet's gone
up accordingly, and we've had a good summer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Which doesn't make sense to me because you look at us,
we're one of the few countries still left without you
not back to one hundred percent pre COVID levels in
terms of our tourism numbers, and yet you guys are
doing well.

Speaker 31 (01:08:40):
I look basically essentially in the countries that we operate,
no one's back to that level yet. And so you know,
we were one of the last reopening and that's had
this lag effect that we're still sort of seeing the
benefit from that. One of our core markets is Germany.
Germany has been one of the slowest to recover, so
we've still got that bounce still to come and we've
enough fitting from it now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Interesting, do you know, do you guys forecast when we
might get back to that level? This is something that
you know, I mean, it's obviously a number you guys
are interested in.

Speaker 10 (01:09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:09:10):
Look, I mean that's more of a personal opinion based
on the broader industry. I think it's sort of twenty
seven to twenty eight summer season is probably when it's
going to happen. It's it's not going to happen in
the next twelve eighty months.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Have you noticed a change in the types of tourists
that you're seeing in the New Zealand market?

Speaker 31 (01:09:28):
You know what, it's actually quite quite boring that question
in away from the way that I answer it, because
trend is returning to trend. Everything's going back to how
it was pre COVID, the same types of customers from
the same markets, fortunately spending more and staying a little
bit longer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
That is not boring at all. That is exactly what
we want to hear. Thanks returning to normal and with
a bit more money to boot exactly exactly.

Speaker 31 (01:09:55):
Yeah, No, Look tourism, Tourism I think is in a
good space. I mean, look at the announcements from the
government over the last few weeks. It's very very positive.
Been years since we've had that kind of positive commentary
from the government, so ye're really supportive of it. We're
in a good place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Does that change the way that you go about your business?
Does that change the way you invest or where you invest?
When they talk like that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
This short answer is yes.

Speaker 31 (01:10:18):
You know when you've got choices around the world, and
you've got a government that is talking about how they
drive growth and the incentives to drive growth. Then ye,
your capital expenditure moves accordingly and you get more confidence.
So absolutely, I think we are more bolish about New
Zealand tourism than than what we were four months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Interesting stuff. Grant, thank you for that. Grant Webster, Tourism
Holding's chief executive. It's just gone ten minutes after six
you're on Newstalk zb Coming up next, Brad Olsen, we'll
take a look at these special economic signes, potentially one
for Marsden Point.

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filled twive with the labour MP has had a whole
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Tu and he says, well, he's sort of claiming this
is because I spoke out against Destiny Church. But is
it really related to that, or maybe it's just the
fact that Auckland councils changing their rubbish collections but dumping,

(01:11:31):
you know, taking rubbish to the tip is so expensive.
Maybe it's just you know, somebody who's just getting rid
of some extra rubbish. I don't know. He says it's
about that. But b tw, he says, by the way,
it won't stop me doing my job. How surprising that
he is still there fourteen after six now, and the
government is considering a special economic zone from Marsden Point

(01:11:53):
that would reduce red tape to apparently help turn it
into an economic winner. Brad Olsen is the informetric, sprintable
Economist's back with us on this. Hi, Brad, good evening.
So these special economic zones. We've spoken to the minister,
that's Shane Jones earlier on the program about this, his
ideas for it. What do you reckon?

Speaker 32 (01:12:12):
Oh, look, it's always encouraging to think about the economic
growth potential coming through and look I'm a Northlander so
definitely understand all of that. But I really would hope
that if we can figure out how to make some
of these different proposals work in a special economic zone,
surely we can make them work for like the entire country,
And it would be better probably to do that more
broadly than to do it sort of at a more

(01:12:34):
specific zone by zone function. I mean, the worry I
guess I have is that you start to create winners
and establish losers. If you have certain, you know, more
business friendly regulations or different regulations that you don't have
to do within a special economic zone, but you still
have to do in other parts of the country, it
sort of does make other parts of the country less competitive.
It would be better, I suggest to you know, try

(01:12:56):
and lift all boats or to eliminate all of those
regulations everywhere. If you can do it in one zone,
you probably should just do it everywhere overall.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Countries that do this tend to be massive. You know,
We're quite small, so it would seem odd to have,
you know, an arbitrary line between around a port basically
and Northland.

Speaker 32 (01:13:15):
Yeah, exactly, and I think, you know, also for other
areas around the country where they might be going, well, geez,
you know I've got a port.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Can I have one of these as well?

Speaker 32 (01:13:23):
And then okay, so you extend it out to all
the ports, and then the airports want them, then the
inland ports want one, and at that point, why don't
you just sort of do it wholesale?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I mean, I think as well.

Speaker 32 (01:13:32):
Part of this is, I think, is around the government
wanting to test out some of these options and hopefully
using it as a bit of an approving ground for
how they might be developed out further. And if that's
the case, I can buy that justification a lot more.
But I think also, you know, looking ahead, it would
be better if we can figure out a way to
make these sort of proposals work, then you do have

(01:13:52):
a much more expensive option the work the government's doing
though around Marsden Point or thinking about around the likes
of fuel security. I do think that it's important. I mean,
some of the analysis that the government's put out today
suggests that, you know, we can only cover about a
third of our usual amount of fuel use across the country.
If we, you know, had no fuel supply for ninety days,

(01:14:14):
that's two thirds of economic activity and transporting stuff around
that we wouldn't be able to do so. Aside from
the specially economic zones, which you hope can broaden out
some of this work on fuel security is going to
be important. It might be costly, but I think it's
worth the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
The other thing that comes with it's not just better
regulational easier regulations and especially economic zones, is potentially tax
breaks as well. How do you reckon that it go down?

Speaker 32 (01:14:38):
And I think that's where a lot of other businesses
will sort of start to probably rightfully complain and go, well,
how come we can't get that as well? You know,
we're good hard earning export businesses throughout the country and
trying to do different things. You know what, why do
we have to uproot ourselves from different areas. So again,
I can take the point that maybe it's a bit
more of that test case in the over time it

(01:15:00):
can sort of widen out. But I do think that there,
you know, could be some very valid complaints for people going, well, actually,
surely we should do this across it. If we can
make you know, some sort of tax breaks and similar
work for certain industries or certain parts of the country,
I sort of feel like you should do that broadly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Put it this way, I don't think we've got.

Speaker 32 (01:15:18):
The time or the effort here in New Zealand to
be able to sort of make these very minute decisions
over what pin on the map gets sort of you know,
certain economic advantages are not Surely we're small enough where
we should be able to do it wholesale across the country.
If it's good enough for one area, it's good enough
for the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, good point, Brad, Thanks so much for that brand
of Olsen from Infometrics with us. He's the principal economist there.
Jamie McKay is here. Next, there's an industry body that's
come out. Leader has come out, put the head above
the power pit and saying New Zealand is at risk
of losing quite a big chunk of our locally grown
veggie supply if we don't do something. And I'll tell

(01:15:58):
you what that is.

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Jamie McKay's a host of the Country. Good evening, Jamie, Jamie, you've.

Speaker 30 (01:16:10):
Got you there, Yes, you've got that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
You got me, I've got you there, loud and clear.
Good to have you on the show. And we've got
some good news tonight about strong wool and the prices
it's getting.

Speaker 30 (01:16:22):
Well, everything's relative, of course, Ryan, but yeah, look we've
crept up from the lower lights of all time in
real terms in COVID, when some farmers were only getting
believed or not just over a dollar a kilogram for
their strong cross bred fleece. Well, we're up to the
four dollar mark.

Speaker 24 (01:16:40):
Now.

Speaker 30 (01:16:41):
That is a clean price. Obviously, Yeah, that's a clean price,
which are quite surely, but less crazier. One get too
complicated on that one, but I just thought i'd put
it into some historic perspective. It's all very well you
to have woo at four dollars. Personally myself, Ryan, I
think it needs to be ten dollars or more for
sheep farmers to make a buck out of it. And

(01:17:02):
I'll just take you back in time to the Corean
War in the early fifties when wool was a pound
a pound and using I've heard various extrapolations and calculations
on this one, but that might equate to something like
fifty dollars per kilogram in today's money. So at four dollars,
we're well off the pace. Even when I was a

(01:17:23):
hard up young far for Ryan in the nineteen eighties,
sharing all my own sheep, we used to get five
or six dollars a kilogram for wool, and that would
probably I don't hope. Fact they're out for something like
maybe twenty dollars a kilo in today's money. So yep,
the markets come off absolute lows, but it's still a
long way to go. And one of the big things

(01:17:43):
in sheep farming at the moment RYAN is people who
are getting rid off sheep that grow wool. They're getting
into self shedding sheep, sheep that shed their own wool,
or even worse, ones that don't grow any wool to
start with. So the wool industry is far from being
out the wards. The good use for sheep farmers is Ryan.
The lamb has really recovered this year. It's up about

(01:18:05):
twenty five or thirty percent on where it was this
time a year ago, and the farmers need it too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Interesting about the sheep that don't have any wall, because
that you often hear farmers talk about. You know, it
costs you more to share it off then you get
paid for it, so you can understand I suppose why
they do that now.

Speaker 30 (01:18:23):
A lot of sorry, a lot of animal health reasons
for doing it as well. If they're not growing any water,
you don't have to dip them. You don't have to dag,
and you don't have to crutch them. You don't even
have to dock them or tail them. So there's just
they're just a lot easier animal to run and you're
just running sheep purely for meat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Which and the meat is the thing that's paying, right,
So there you go. Now, vegetables, you've got to have
some vegies with your lamb. So there's a problem though
potentially without locally grown vegetable supply. According to an industry leader, Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:18:57):
John Murphy from Vegetables Museum said the current system was
broken and local growers were being put out of business.
And we all know the story about growing houses and
places like Pucacoe instead of vegetables. Some of our best
soils now have houses on them. And John Murphy's quite
rightly saying growers are being strangled by regional decisions that

(01:19:20):
take too long, make no sense, and ultimately drive them
out of business. He said vegetable growing needed to become
a permitted activity in the current round of resource management
reforms and places like hotro Fenua there's a real threat
of growers being told they can no longer grow vets
its madness. If you ask me, we should be growing

(01:19:40):
more and more of them. But the cavalry is on
the horizon. And the form of Associate Minister of Agriculture
Nicola Grigg, she's the minister responsible for horticulture and she
said she's relentlessly focused on supporting the sector's success. Griggs
said this included considering policy amendments, includ proposals relating to freshwater,

(01:20:02):
water storage and vegetable growing. And I say good luck
to the vegetable growers, Ryan, because anyone who's grown a
veggie garden at home knows how tough it is let
alone on a commercial scale.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Absolutely, and timidoo, Jamie. The old Alliance Smithfield plant site
is coming up for sale.

Speaker 30 (01:20:20):
Yeah, and I don't know how well you know, Samarou, Ryan,
but it's quite a nice site, actually thirty two hectares.
It's an industrial site at the moment, it's zoned industrial.
It's the old Smithfield plant that had been there for
one hundred and thirty nine years. The Alliance Group shut
it down. The wist talk of it becoming a housing development,
certainly in a good spot with good views. Interestingly, I

(01:20:42):
found this was interesting The land also was home to
the Smithfield Coastal Observation Bunker, which was built in nineteen
forty two. I'm assumed that was to check it in
case the Japanese were coming to get us. It's got
a heritage to New Zealand category listening. The closure of
Smithfield is estimated to have cost Timaru up to fifty

(01:21:05):
million a year in wages alone in the local economy.
And here's another interesting stat for Orion. To finish our
chat tonight. The Timaru Council said in November that the
closure of the meat works would cause a one point
seven to six million dollar drop in water revenue, as
the plant used about ten percent of Timaru's total water supply.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Goodness me, Jamie, some great numbers in there. Thank you
for that. Jamie McKay hosted the Country with Us just
gone twenty six minutes after.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Sex rym Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
The answer to the question, by the way, do I
know much about timid Woo is I've been there once
and it was for work, so I didn't even choose
to go there. Not that there's anything wrong with Temodoov,
of course, but the one thing I do remember I
visited the high school were filming a TV show was
the tree. The oak tree at the front of the
local high school was donated well brought back from the

(01:21:57):
Olympic Games during Nazi Germany day when Hitler hosted them,
and it was called they said, look there's Hitler's it's
a it's a Nazi oak out the front of the
school because he'd given it to Jack Lovelock, who was
from famously from Tiamdoo the Olympian and ran the fifteen
hundred meters there Timdoo Boys High School. It was so
there's an oak out there from Nazi Germany. Strange to

(01:22:19):
think about that bit of history. Twenty seven after six.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
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Speaker 22 (01:22:39):
The becking a pieces of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Good evening. It is twenty five minutes away from seven.
You're on News Talks d B. This is the business.
How great to have your company tonight. So the government
here wants to get a deal done, a free trade
deal done with India, right, and it's like line up,
get in line, kid, Because there are a few people
who are wanting to get in ahead of us. So
the Brits have just restarted their negotiations. They've already had

(01:23:15):
twelve rounds of negotiations since twenty twenty two for a
free trade deal with India. Of course, it's the big
prize India, isn't it, Because it's going to be the
third largest economy in the world currently that is Germany,
but it's going to be in the next few years.
India massive, you know, growing middle class, more than a
billion people. It's a big prize. But it's getting line

(01:23:38):
time because you've got the Brits going in there. They
are sending a trade delegation there as we speak. They're
restarting their negotiations. They pause them for the elections on
both countries and in Europe they are obviously wanting one
of the Europeans are wanting their hands on one too.
They did sign a one hundred billion dollar free trade
deal the Indians with what they call the European Free

(01:24:02):
Trade Association. And you wonder what is the European Free
Trade Association. Well, it's four European countries that are not
members of the EU. They have managed to get one
across the line and one of the very few to
do so, just gone twenty four minutes away from seven
Ryan Bridge. If you've ever lent some money to a
friend or a family member and never seen your cash again,

(01:24:24):
this next story might be of interest to you. Amiko
is a new app that will draw up a proper
formal loan agreement that you can use whenever you leand
a small amount of money to anyone. That was created
by former banker and Hawks Bay farmer Tom Aitken. He'sa
me tonight, Hey Tom good a Ryn So who ripped
you off?

Speaker 10 (01:24:45):
No one, no one, no the I got the idea
when I was waking for a Big four at a
university and just saw such a good idea and it
took me a few years to get there and draw
it out and bring it to life.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
So how does it actually work? If I, you know,
my brother wants to borrow money for example, or something
like that, how do we do it?

Speaker 10 (01:25:06):
Yeah? Great question. So you can download it on the
Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. Download it
from there. You just create an account and then you
go in. Now, whether or not you're the lender or
the borrower, either one of you can actually set up
the loan terms, and so that kind of punches in
the likes of an interest rate, whether it be zerubcent
interest rate, weekly repayments, fortnightly, monthly, even near the repayments.

(01:25:30):
And then you can send it to your so your
brother in this case, or your peer or family member,
they can have a look at it and accept the terms, negotiate.
If they're happy with it, they can sign on the app,
and then it gives you, guys a loan documentation which
formalizes everything. You know, it kind of turns those I
guess good intentions into good agreements.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
And does this legally enforceable?

Speaker 10 (01:25:52):
Yes? It is, yep, And so I think nine to
nine percent of people are good beggars, but you know,
some things, some things just go wrong. Believes this way here,
everything's kind of documented as black and white, so there's
nothing left to argue about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Really, is there an amount? Would you say, use this
app if you're lending fifty dollars or if you're leanning
five hundred thousand? I mean, is it legally enforceable? So
presumably it doesn't matter how much you're lending, correct, But
we have we have.

Speaker 10 (01:26:19):
Kept it at a million dollars and we're just thinking
anything more than that, you should be getting a lawyer
a lawyer involved there. But you know this is designed for,
you know, to help a mate out start a business,
for example, whether it not be five grand, help out
to the next payday, or to even help your kids
into their first home.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Is this going to start a whole lot of arguments
like how am I going to look really stingy if
I'm trying to force someone to sign it, you know,
sign here on the dotted line before I'll give you
this twenty dollars.

Speaker 10 (01:26:48):
I don't think you're I think you just can cross stingy.
I think the thing is a miko can kind of
take out any of the awkness of you know, figuring out, well,
are you going to charge me interest or not on
that money when you actually want to be paid back.
You know, everything's documented out and laid out, and it's
just I guess it just makes it easy for everyone,
you know, all of a sudden, everyone's on the same page,
and it's not so much about signing it as actually

(01:27:09):
just working out terms of best suit you as the
lender or the borrower.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
What happens if you find yourself in the situation where
they don't pay you back. Do you take presumably you
engage a lawyer at that point, do you how do
you how do you resolve it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Yep?

Speaker 10 (01:27:25):
So least you know there's so much undocumented peer to
peer loans, at least by I guess using a miko,
you do have I guess level grounds to take further
legal action and go on to deck collection. But you
are hoping, I mean it is your family and friend
member that you are hoping that you will get repaid regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, of course, all things going well, what are you
how are you pronouncing that? So it's a m I
c O? How are you pronouncing it a miko?

Speaker 10 (01:27:51):
Amiko?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Where did that come from? And why didn't you just
go with iou trademark?

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
Trademark is the issues there. But Amiko is actually Italian
for friend I guess, which leans into what we're trying
to achieve here. It is all about helping out your
family and friends, whether it not be get ahead, make
it the next payday, or buy their first house for
eusting or car.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I can see a lot of parents liking this because
it really ties them down. How does what's the revenue
model here? How do you actually make money?

Speaker 10 (01:28:25):
So right now, we don't take any any fees on
interest rates or anything like that. That is solely between
the lender and borough. So well the banker, Mum and dad,
or two mates staying for business venture. We just charge
a fifteen dollar documentation fees and that's parish to do
all the calculations for you as well as give you,
guys an illegally agreement legally buying agreement that clearly states

(01:28:47):
out your obligations as the lender and borrower.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
So it's fifteen dollars for every no matter what the
amount is, it's fifteen dollars for anyone who wants to
give a crack.

Speaker 10 (01:28:56):
Correct, And they're just trying to make legal a make
it make it so so cheap that you know, whether
it's two grand long, you're not going to go to
a lawyer and they're going to charge you up a
few hundred dollars to write up an agreement that's kind
of true Bible. So at least by using a miko
you can.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
It also makes it also makes my twenty dollars loan
non viable.

Speaker 10 (01:29:18):
That yes, correct, correct, but hey, look if you need
a twenty dollar loon, mate, just singing I'm sure I
can spot you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:25):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I guess it depends on how well this goes for you. Tom, exactly,
very well, Yeah, good luck, Thanks Ron, appreciate Tom making
am COO founder. Time is eighteen minutes away from seven.
I do like the idea. I would never you should
just never lend your family money, period, should you? Because

(01:29:47):
it could get messy. I mean it's deffinitely if you've
got kids. I don't have children, so I don't. I
don't know what that would feel like. But to have
a brother or sister and lend them five grand really,
I don't know that i'd trust them to give it back. Frankly,
how much of it? Can? Somebody text me, what is
the biggest sum of money you have lent to a

(01:30:10):
family member and what was it for? Nine two ninety
two is the number to text your news Talks be.
We're heading to London next.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and MAS Insurance
and Investments, Grew your wealth, Protect your future.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
News Talks be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Quarter to seven on News Talks the b Now I'm
sounding stingy. We were just talking to the founder of
an app that looks to formalize an agreement between family
members who are lending money to each other. Ryan sister
has lent me two hundred thousand dollars over two years
six percent. Murray, you're lucky man. I'm assuming that's for
a business.

Speaker 10 (01:30:49):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I lent a friend ten thousand dollars for IVF, says Sue.
I'm now godmother to her wonderful son. Best money I
ever spent. Yes, those are quite nice stories, aren't they.
But if you want to get yourself the app and
you want to formalize those agreements people in case things
turn south, fourteen away from seven in the Brady is
a UK correspondent high Endo, Hey, Ryan, great to speak

(01:31:13):
to you, Great to have you on. So Starmer is
preparing to go to Washington, and I know that there
was a report out today saying the number ten and
put a release out saying that Trump's language and the
actions has taken so far could lead to a better
world with in terms of Ukraine. So they're sort of
putting on the charm offensive ahead of his visit. By

(01:31:33):
the sounds yeah big time.

Speaker 12 (01:31:36):
But look, I think the domestic concern in the UK
is what Trump said yesterday while he was with macronn
that he's going to go ahead with these tariffs. There
will be a twenty percent flat tariff on all European goods. Now,
the hope in the UK was that will hang on
Britain's not in the European Union anymore, and maybe Britain
will be given an exemption because of what the Brits

(01:31:57):
see is the special relationships. Made it clear yesterday that
everyone will be paying a tariff of twenty percent. So
I think domestically Starmer and his advisors will be very
concerned that if Trump goes ahead with that when they
meet on Thursday. But look, ultimately Starmer's going there to
make sure that Ukraine has a voice at the negotiation table.

(01:32:20):
We now learned that Zelenski is likely to go to
America as early as next week, and Trump seems to
think that a peace deal could be ironed out very
very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Indeed, yeah, well I saw that that men and mac
from was signed within potentially within a couple of weeks,
which would be good news for the region, no doubt. Now,
this labor politician has been jailed for punching a constituent.

Speaker 12 (01:32:43):
Yeah, so this happened towards the end of last year.
It was a night out, the incident happened at two am.
Clearly alcohol was involved. Mike Amesbury had a stunking victory
at the last election last July. Runcorn is his seat
in the northwest of Englis and it was in the
town of Frodsham where he had a conversation with a
constituent over roadworks in the area at two am and

(01:33:09):
this got very heated and the end result was Mike
Amesbury was seen on CCTV throwing a punch and the
constituent falling to the ground. So he's been convicted of assault.
He intends to appeal. He's got ten weeks jail and
he went straight to prison. The judge basically denied any
bail while he appeals. The likelihood is that he will appeal.

(01:33:30):
But the big problem they have now is that ultimately,
if he serves his time in prison, there's likely to
be a by election. And hovering in the background is
the specter of the Reform Party, which do appear to
be gaining a lot of strength in the polls. So
let's see what happens. But I think Starmer has problems
everywhere at the moment everywhere he looks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
It sounds like it too now, Jim reck I we've
spoken about the Manchester United financial situation. The book's in
very bad order indeed, and now there's a belt tightening
going on there in there.

Speaker 12 (01:34:02):
So two hundred more redundancies announced this week. In addition
to the people who were going, the people who were
staying will have their free lunches taken away at the
stadium and at the training ground. This has been diminishing
month on month really since Ratcliffe took over, and he
wants to save somewhere in the region of two million
dollars a year. This is how much apparently the free

(01:34:24):
food for staff is costing. So all of the lunches
will be replaced with fruit and bread and soup and
that will be it. So since he's taken over, it's
really interesting. I think all the locals that certainly the
United fans felt that, you know, a local boy coming in.
He has so much money that Jim Ratcliffe would spend, spend, spend,
and all they're seeing is cutbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
He still gets soup. I wouldn't be complaining too much.
And thanks so much, India, good to have you on
in the radio. UK correspondent just going to living away
from seven Rial Bridge. Interesting story from One News. So
MPI Ministry for Prime Industries apparently has stopped seconding staff.
So what happens in a minister's office is you'll get
the agencies or the departments which they control. They will

(01:35:09):
second staff in for a couple of months or sometimes
even a year or six months or whatever. Get them
into the minister's office, get them, mix some experience in
that political environment and also expose the minister and his
staff to a more specialized knowledge of the area of work,
whatever the expertise is. So the Ministry for Primary Industries
has stopped seconding staff to Minister Mark Patterson's office. Who

(01:35:34):
is he? He's New Zealand First, he's Minister for Rural
Communities Associate agg Minister. Now, apparently there's been a whistleblower
come forward to One News saying there's concerns about the
treatment of MPI staff in the minister's office. Formal complaints
have been made. More than one MPI staff member has left.

(01:35:55):
No MPI staff are currently working in the office now Patterson.
This is the crucial part. Patterson not directly involved in
the incidents and the minister brought in ministerial Services once
he was made aware of the complaints, So you've got
to wonder what the hell's going on in Mark Patterson's office.
Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Seven away from seven on news Talk, saidb you're a
very charitable bunch texting me this evening because we've just
been talking earlier to the founder of an app that
formalizes when you leand a friend, or you leand a
family member some money and then you want to get
it back and they don't want to pay it back,
you can have this app where you've got a formal
agreement that you've both signed up to that is legally

(01:36:46):
binding in a court of law. And you know, you
could do five grand, you could do fifty grand. The
maximum is a million dollars. And I just made the
point that I would never lend mine brother money because well,
he's never asked be fair, so he obviously doesn't need any.
But you are very generous people, Ryan. I gave my
brother four thousand dollars ten years ago, still haven't seen

(01:37:08):
a cent of it. Hahaha. I also helped my parents
out with ten thousand dollars. No is that one hundred
thousand dollars? Ryan, I met someone on a dating site.
After eighteen months, I lent them six grand never got
it back. I'm not surprised, frankly, and you shouldn't be
doing that. If you meet anyone on a dating site,
don't give them a cent. Ryan, one point eight million

(01:37:32):
dollars to a mate for a business, got back three
million two years later. Look at you just bragging Ryan,
in nineteen ninety six four dollars ninety five for a
KFC quarterback. Haven't seen it since. That's a good one, right.
It is coming up to seven o'clock here on Newstalks B.

(01:37:52):
What are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 26 (01:37:53):
And unfortunately it's a sad one today, Ryan. ROBERTA Flat
the R and B singer, has died. She was eighty
eight years old, and she died the morning of February
twenty fourth, US time, So just overnight, peacefully surrounded by
her family.

Speaker 31 (01:38:08):
ROBERTA.

Speaker 26 (01:38:08):
Flax probably most famous for this one are killing Me
Softly with his song It's not actually her song. Laurie
Leberman was the first person to release it, but Roberta
with Laurie Lebman's version kind of didn't go anywhere. Roberta
was the first person to cover it and it became
a big hat and since then a lot more people
have covered it since then, including probably the one You
and Me are more familiar with the Fuji's Covenant as.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Well, How I Knew It? Beautiful song. Thanks and thanks
for all of your checks. I hope you get your
money back. People Amon with this big.

Speaker 15 (01:38:40):
Sing in life with this with the sung love Come

(01:39:32):
with the thinker singing my life with this book, gilling
me Songbay with this song, You gilling me something with
their song, then my life with this word killing.

Speaker 28 (01:39:57):
He was smalling to bad.

Speaker 15 (01:40:00):
Yay listen.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Killing Me song with this song, killing s.

Speaker 15 (01:40:10):
With this song, telling go with his words, killing stung.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
With this song.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
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